The Kevin Sheehan Show - What's Tonight?

Episode Date: May 18, 2021

Kevin and Thom today on several things including a recap (spoiler alert) of Mare Of Easttown/Episode 5. They also recapped the Caps' overtime Game 2 loss to the Bruins, previewed the Wizards game vs the Celtics and discussed the poor job the NBA has done in labeling tonight and tomorrow night's games of significance. Plenty more on Ryan Kerrigan on the show too.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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We've got wizards. We've got some Washington football stuff to get to. But you just told me that you were all caught up on Mayor of Easttown. And I forget if we had this conversation last week. about episode number three, which was really, to me, a step back episode. And I didn't like it at all. And I thought, wow, this is getting way too busy. Was that conversation with you?

No, you didn't have it with me. Okay. But, I mean, one of my issues with episode three, and we're talking here is if people have watched this, okay? Yeah, so we should put out the proverbial. Spoiler alert. Spoiler alert, Mayor of Easttown. We're going to talk about episode 5 from Sunday night, which I thought was pretty damn good.

And I think this show is pretty damn good. But whatever. They can fast forward. It's a podcast. You can get right to the caps, Wizards, and Washington football team stuff if you'd like to. But go ahead. What were you going to say? Well, my main issue with episode three was this notion that she planted the drugs in her, the mother of her,

of her son's baby's car. Okay? And it took her boss two minutes to figure it out. Yeah, this crap detective is going to do something as dramatic as try to set somebody up. And she leaves a trail of crumbs that her boss figured out in five seconds. That's a good point. That was just, that was, that was not credible to me. she would have been much more methodical even if she was drunk she would have been more methodical

about doing the setup and protecting herself i'm just curious that that that bothered me did you know when she was going through the evidence room that that was heroin no i didn't either did i i wouldn't i didn't know it was heroin i thought it was cheerios you thought it was chiroes funny nut Cheerios at that. I thought the episode on Sunday night was outstanding. Outstanding. Like this show, I cannot. I wish I could have immediately gone to the final two episodes after episode five.

First of all, you know, fast forward to the end and the scene where she discovers this serial, you know, whatever you want to call him. He's been, he kidnapped a girl over, you know, a. about a year ago, kidnapped a girl recently, is keeping them in his home slash bar. And that was, I thought that was a great thriller, you know, riveting kind of a scene. You know, I thought it was well done. And by the way, a shocker that poor Zabel goes down. If, you know, spoiler alert, too late now. But I really was starting to enjoy his character.

I'm not over to top on this show like you are. I enjoy it. But, you know, I mean, if she's running this, like running around doing this case investigation that she's not supposed to do, she's bringing a weapon with her. I mean, she's, I mean, every cop has more than one gun. Yeah, maybe. She did have it taken away with her badge. She's not supposed to be there. Right.

So I don't think she's going around investigating anywhere with her partner, even if it's off the books without some kind of weapon to protect herself. So it's just little things. And look, I know everyone is just nuts over Kate Winslet's, you know, performance. I'm not. I'm not. Okay. I mean, because, I mean, it seems like the whole infatuation of the show. is how she has transformed herself from this British actress to this Philly girl.

You know, and I mean, I've seen lots of actors to stuff like that. So I'm not that head over heels about that. It's a good show. And the episode was good. I just don't like it as much as you do. I don't think. Look, after episode three, I was down on it. The last two episodes have brought me back.

it is, to me, it's an outstanding thriller slash who done it, you know, which I'm going to ask you here in a moment who you think did it with two episodes left, because we have now found the kidnapper of the Bailey girl and the other girl. We are still looking for the killer of Aaron. You know, that's obviously what the last two episodes will be about. You know, there's been a lot written on this show. This show is getting a lot of attention. And one of, and in, and in, and in, there have been several stories already written on Kate Winslet's attempt to pull off this Philadelphia accent, which she says is the hardest that she's ever had to do. And, you know, for me, if it was an actor, if it was an actor that we weren't familiar with and we didn't know as a Brit, I'd say she's doing a really good job if she wasn't from Philly, but it's Kate Winslet. So it's a little bit, I don't know, it's a little bit forced. I don't know that they needed it to be that authentic for the show to be great.

But beyond that, I think the thing that a lot of people that are watching the show are doing is, you know, trying to figure out who it is. And, you know, I think, I mean, there are a list, there are several potential suspects. My theory in all of those, all of these things are typically, you know, it's the least of the people that you suspect right now. with two episodes to go. And it's going to be a shocker as to who killed Aaron when all of this is said and done. I do have a guess. And I'm going to tell you why it's my guess here in a moment, but do you have one? Yeah.

Her professor boyfriend. Well, he wasn't even on the episode Sunday night. I know. I know. Which was weird. Yes. his invisibility has to be convinced and he's he's kind of a squeamy guy anyway i don't know i i agree with you a little bit a little bit sketchy but you know for that for that part of the country you know

sort of sort of you know upstanding compared to the rest of them uh at least he's not related to any of them yeah it really is again i mean i lived in a small town for years you know it ain't like they're not all like this. I understand. I understand. All right. My guess is it's her best friend, high school teammate, high school classmate, you know, who Julianne Nicholson plays her best friend. I love her. Yeah, she's, she's outstanding in this show. You know, she's got the second billing on this show. She was, she was in law and order criminal intent. If you watch, you know, the credits afterwards, she's got the second billing and yet she's had sort of an insignificant for the most part. She's been an insignificant character.

But the connecting the dots would be that her husband who sort of is leaving the house because he's committed infidelity again, that it's very possible that the husband is the father of Aaron's son. and this has driven her crazy. And now that there was another, you know, indication of infidelity, obviously Aaron is dead, but the son, you know, is hiding some secret that she thinks is infidelity could be something else. I think she's got something to do with this. That's a good observation.

I think that that would be a lot more than mine. That would be a long shot, too, at this point, don't you think? Yeah. But at least you've got some kind of premise. I just threw mine out there because he was invisible, particularly in this last episode of late. I noticed that. I thought it was weird that he was not in the episode. Also weird that essentially, you know, she was falling for, I wouldn't say she was falling for Sable.

But the two of them, you know, were out on a date. And it was more sort of for her own purposes to stay in the case. But yeah, there's been something strange. about him, no doubt. I don't like to speak ill as a dead. But Sable's a loser. He's a loser. You mean in this show?

Yeah. Why? Because he... He doesn't have much and what he got going. He lives with his mom. He lives with his mom. He didn't solve the case that he said he solved. In Upper Darby, didn't solve that.

He lied about that. And he's clearly got some sort of drinking issue. But I... He's not very, he's not very amusing. He doesn't seem to be very intelligent. He's a whiner, you know? I mean, I'm sorry. I don't get the attraction there.

But I like your theory on her girlfriend. That's pretty good. I think he was becoming a very likable character. I do. I think he was becoming a likable character. And by the way, I think it was shocking that he went down Sunday night. The last thing I was just going to say is, you know, really we left Sunday night thinking that, you know, it was either John potentially, you know, Lori's husband, you know, Kate Winslet,

you know, Maher's best friend's husband, or John's brother, you know, because they're, remember, they are cousins with, you know, Kenny, who's now in jail after shooting, you know, after shooting, who, by the way, Dylan sort of made this comeback as a suspect to a certain degree. Yes, he did. But it's Billy. By getting rid of the journals. The journals. And then, you know, it looks like based on the preview of the next show, that he's going after Aaron's best friend who, you know, found something in one of those journals, you know, that she stuffed in her pocket.

But Billy, the, you know, the cousin to Aaron's dad, Billy was the one that's sitting there in Mayer's house. They're watching, by the way, I think it was a Villanova basketball game. I'm pretty sure it was a college basketball game because you hear him scream, pass it, pass it already. But Billy clearly made uncomfortable by the revelation that Aaron had lived with him for a while. And then he leaves with the full beer on the table right after he said, who wants a beer. And there's no doubt that she's looking at him. And they made it seem to me coming out of that episode that he's the number one suspect now.

Well, I mean, to me, and that would be too obvious. She took that beer bottle and checked the, it's checking the DNA. No doubt to see if he, to see if he's the father. Right. And we don't know. We never saw her doing that, but we assume that that's what she's doing by the fact that they made a big deal of the beer bottle sitting there. You know, the, you know, her ex-husband, Frank. Yeah.

She and your namesake? David Denman, who played Roy in the office. Played Roy. Yeah. On the office, yeah. Why, you think he's coming back as a potential suspect? No. No, I don't.

I like your theory. But what about what were you going to say about him? I was just going to just note that for people who may not have noticed that, that that's Roy. Oh, that that's Roy from the office, yeah. Yeah. I also. By the way, Julianne Nicholson? Yeah.

Did you ever see the movie Black Mask with Johnny Depp plays Whitey Boulger? Oh, yeah, yeah. It's not called Black Mask. No, you're not the, not to depart. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, the other one. It's not called Black Mask, though. Is it? I think it's called Black Mask.

Oh, Black Mask, yes. I think you said Mask. Yes. Yeah, Black Mask. Yes, yes, I did see that movie. She's the FBI's director, the FBI guy's wife in that. She's really good in that, too. That was such a good movie.

And the whole Whitey Bulger's story is such a, you know, fascinating story. But I'm enjoying the series. I just not. No, I'm not like True Detective Season 1. I'm with, I'm sort of with you on it. I mean, I am definitely a Kate Winslet fan for a lot of reasons. And I think she's good in this. I think the accent just throws me a little bit.

But I think it's, look, I thought episode three was like, this is getting ridiculous. And actually not for the reason you mentioned, but that is a good reason. I just thought it got way too busy. And it's like things were happening too quick. And it's like you're trying to follow all of it. And you've got, you know, you've got her daughter that's now in, you know, a relationship. And it's like, where is that going? Is that even significant?

I do, and then of course we saw the, you know, father, the father throw the bike and now we got an explanation as to why he had the bike, which by the way, I believe. Here's another potential suspect. The other priest, I mean, why is he even in this series? He's related to, I know he is, to Mayor. They're all related. Yeah, they are. You know, the mother, what's her name in real life?

Gene Smart. She's excellent. She may be the best actor in this whole thing right now. Yeah, she's really good. And they do, you know, they do weave some comedy into it. And that was funny when What's His Face called her out for having an affair at his wife's funeral. And the two of them in the car driving back. hysterics. That was pretty, their relationship is actually well done, I think.

Yeah, that was good. Yeah. It's a good, it's a good who done it. And we got two episodes left. But I'm with you. It's certainly not the greatest show I've ever seen. It is amazing how how promoted it is, Tommy. I don't know if, I mean, online, it's amazing how much promotion there's been of this. And how much is being written about it. And I would imagine, in part it's because it's Kate Winslet. I would think so. It's the show that I've heard from friends and relatives asking, are you watching this? Yeah, me too.

I've had so many, I was somewhere the other night and somebody brought it up and there were like four people are like, oh my God, yeah. And six other people said, oh, my God, I got to get to this. I keep hearing about this show. Have you ever seen, did you ever see Bosch? Bosch, no, I did not. Okay. I know. You're doing yourself a grave disservice.

I've heard. Okay. I've heard. I mean, it's made by Eric Overmeyer, the producer, who did a lot of law and orders and did, worked with David Simon on the wire and Trame. Yeah. But, uh, Bosch, if you like this, you'll love Bosch. God, it's so hard to just watch all of them.

It's just incredible, you know, how much there is. And Bosch is out there. It's like seven seasons of it, I think. Really, seven? At least. What was the show last summer with Nicole Kidman that was a really good thriller as well? I watched that one. It was Hugh Grant and Nicole Kidman.

What was that called? I don't recall. We talked about it. We both watched it. I'm pretty sure we both watched it. It was a real good, another real thriller. And I forget maybe seven episodes as well. Hold on.

I'm looking it up because, I mean, it seems like a lot of these shows we've watched or, oh yeah, the undoing. Didn't you watch the undoing? No, you have me mistaken with another one of your close friends. I thought we talked about the undoing on the podcast. Maybe we didn't. Never seen it. Well, that's something you should watch.

That was really good, too. Okay. That was excellent as well, and that's that you can binge because it's out there. And it was six episodes, six episodes. But that was pretty good, too. All right. So we both would say, we would both recommend. mayor of East Town.

You're not, you're not going to, if somebody says, hey, is it worth it? Yeah. I would definitely recommend it. I really, I think that the, the trying to figure it out is a lot of fun. And the episode the other night, that scene when they walk up to that house and maybe you're right, maybe she should have had a gun because she's a, you know, she's a cop and she's a detective. But it seems like she's sort of the cop, like almost Andy Griffith-like, where she doesn't need a gun. she knows everybody and she's able to solve all these problems because she's either related or

knows all these people pretty much from the jump, you know, when she's in the house where the guy lost his wife because, you know, they think there's like a peeping Tom or somebody's, you know, around and she walks in and she's sort of just, you know, trying to get him to calm down. She may be Andy Griffith, but she don't live in Mayberry. This is not Mayberry. No, it's not. There's no pond down round yonder to catch some catfish in. There's no Otis the town drunk to sleep it off into jail.

No, but there is a lot of drinking, a lot of drinking and a lot of drugging. Oh, yeah. Because life's so miserable there. Yeah, one other quick thing, before we get to the caps and then we will get to the Wizards and we've got some Washington football stuff, including some follow-up to Ryan Carrigan. I just saw this and I just mentioned it to you before we started. The ratings for the Caps Bruins game one, which was Saturday night on NBC Network TV, they're out.

And I was surprised by something you told me not to be surprised by. The rating locally in Washington, D.C. for game one on Saturday night was a 3.4. I mean, just so everybody understands, that's not a good local rating for anything. As bad as the football team's been, they're still going to get, you know, 11s and 12s as bad as they've been in games. And, you know, if they're good this year, they'll be in the 20s. Boston led the way for local markets with a 9.2, so essentially nearly three times the rating that Washington had.

Providence was the second highest rated market. Obviously, a lot of Bruin fans in Providence. Fort Myers, Florida was third. Pittsburgh was... That's where the Red Sox train. Oh, very good. There you go. Pittsburgh was fourth.

Baltimore was fifth. Baltimore did a 3.7 rating for the Caps game, and Washington did a 3.4. And you said that that is not unusual for Baltimore to get a higher local rating for Caps games than Washington. I didn't know that. Yeah, there is a very active and passionate hockey. fan base in Baltimore. The Caps have known it for years. That's why they used to try to play an exhibition game up in Baltimore every year. It turned out to be a disaster because the arena is so old and the ice would be in such terrible shape that the players refuse to do it eventually.

But yes, I mean, there's a very active Caps fan base in Baltimore. They usually get good ratings when these things come out. I remember there used to be an American Hockey League team. The Skipjacks up in Baltimore that played at the Baltimore arena for years. And I just think

particularly when the caps were on Landover, they'd get more Baltimore spillover. And yeah, I mean, this is not unusual for Baltimore to put up that kind of number. Had no idea. no idea that Baltimore got, they get occasionally, if not more than occasionally, a better

rating than Washington does for Caps games. It doesn't surprise me that, you know, because I think Baltimore is, you know, a more hardcore sports city than Washington is. It's a more, you know, fanatical, you know, look, we've said this many times. It's more blue collar. Washington's more white collar. Washington's more white collar and a lot of the blue collar cities end up being better sports cities and i would bet even better hockey cities that's that's a reasonable connecting of the dots i'm sure there's probably outliers to that or or uh you know comparisons that aren't accurate but i think that's reasonable let's talk about the caps game two loss to the bruin's right after this word from one of our sponsors and in dillon's land of clear his own and is held out to by the bruin's

They'll keep it in. Grizzly goes right side. A shot-based score in the series is tied. Radmarshon with a one-timer on the first shot of overtime from the bottom of the right circle. And it takes 39 seconds. The Boston Bruins and even the series had won on a game winning goal by Radmarshad. And that was the game winner by Marchand, 39 seconds into overtime. Tommy, it ended quickly in the extra session, overtime hockey in the game. the postseason is so awesome. The Caps won the first game Saturday night and overtime.

And last night, you know, I think, and I had Tark El Bashir on the radio show this morning, and I said, you know, they had that lead three to two. It was tied up with two minutes, 49 seconds left, and then 39 seconds after that and overtime, it's over. Just like that, they went from a commanding two-nothing lead to a one-one series with Lars Eller injured and, some questions about, you know, whether or not they, you know, they, they, they, they, they've got a goaltending situation. I mean, I thought Anderson was great, but he's 39 years old, and they peppered him with shot after shot all night long. It was just, it was a missed opportunity, I thought, to take command of the series early on. Yeah, uh, but I mean, it was going to be a, I, I think that given

the fact that the caps are playing without their starting goal, and, uh, you know, I think they've been pretty competitive. I think they've been pretty good. I like their chances to win this series now. I mean, it depends on Lars Eller if he's healthy or not. Yeah, Ellor is a big deal missing him. Yeah, they don't have enough centers. Right.

You know, they've got some depth issues there. They've got issues. They haven't been a good face-off team this year. And Lars Eller has been their best guy for that. So I think, look, if they could get healthy and have him back on the ice, I like the way the caps have handled the series so far, given their goaltender problems. I mean, what happened last night in part is they, I mean, it should have been more than two nothing. It should have been like, I mean, the caps should have taken an early lead in that game,

but they ran up against a good goaltender, a hot goaltender last night. Yeah, it was one of those games. it was just back and forth. Like the Caps owned that first part of the first period. I thought Manta had, you know, multiple chances to score. It was 2-2 at the end of the first. I think at one point the Caps, you know, were out shooting Boston 12 to 3 and it ended up 1312 the other way.

They allowed 48 shots on goal. That's a hell of a lot. And Anderson stopped 44 to the 49. You mentioned face-offs. And I know that, you know, Tark was explaining this morning. warning that the analytics people in hockey don't get that wrapped up in that statistic, but there's a 30 face-off win-loss difference. It's 80 to 50 in face-offs in favor of the Bruins through the first two games. That's somewhat significant. And Eller being out is a part of that.

Eller being out also with no Kuznetsoff, et cetera. You know, you got players playing out of position a little bit. But I thought it was an exciting game. I thought the Caps had the opportunity early in the third with those two power plays early in the third. After sort of getting screwed in the second on two penalties that I thought were bad calls against the Caps, including the embellishment penalty. But the Bruins didn't capitalize. The Caps had two opportunities early in the Caps.

third. They ended up getting the go-ahead goal anyway after those two power plays, but then over the final 10 minutes, other than the Bruins just dominated. And even though they didn't tie it up until there were 2.49, you know, two minutes and 49 seconds left, I thought that it seemed like over those final 10 minutes, they were the better team and they sort of had the momentum going into overtime. You know, you may be right. One thing I, one thing I know is, I didn't see the caps hardly at all this year is, and this makes sense since he's got a playoff experience. They're much, I think they're much better coached than they were under Todd Reard, particularly for postseason play. Under Peter Lavalais, how do you pronounce this name?

Lavalette. Lavalette. Yeah. Okay. So you do, you do say the T, you don't, the T's not silent. The T's not silent. I don't know. It could be in French.

Who knows. Okay. Well, I mean, I think the way they've handled themselves, these first two games, they just look like they're better prepared than they were with Todd Reardon going into the postseason. So that's why I've got a little bit of confidence in them being able to wind up taking this series from Boston. I didn't in the beginning. I just threw out that they were going to lose. I don't feel that way anymore. But again, I mean, it depends on how healthy they are.

I'm just curious. In your last two minutes of talking about the game, you said you didn't really watch the Caps much this year. And you had no idea how to pronounce the coach's last name. Do you think maybe we should just stop right now? How much did you watch the Caps this year? I didn't watch the Caps that much at all this year. But I did know how to pronounce the coach's last name. But I don't watch a lot of regular season hockey.

ever and I so why are you giving me grief about I just I'm not giving you grief I'm asking you a question do you think we should should go on with analysis of the game I wish he choked on those cheos that you wish he choked on those cheos you read before the show that's that's not very nice um I would have preferred to have had a bowl in some cold milk with those chiroos that I was eating before um I also have magic spoon in here uh magic spoon I'm looking right now to box a magic Spoon fruity flavor, which is the only box right now. They'll be sending me a new box, but I ate all the other boxes, including the cocoa and the cookies and cream, which were really good.

The fruity is a little bit too much for me, but I love the other flavors. Look, here's the other observation I would make about the game. I do like playoff hockey, and I'm watching these games. I watch the game on Saturday night. I watched the game last night. Alex Ovechkin was a tornado on Saturday night. He was hitting everything that moved. He was awesome.

I thought last night, and I brought this up with Tarek on the radio show, I thought he was sort of missing in action last night. And it was not a good game, and Tariq agreed that it was, you know, his presence was not felt in the game last night. So they need him. You know, you said you feel pretty good about the Caps with the goalie situation in two close games. winning one of them. A lot of the experts were picking Boston before this series.

They were basically an even money choice with the caps who were the higher-seated team, with home ice advantage, whatever that's worth. I don't know where I would put this right now. I'm trying to find updated series odds right now at my bookie. They don't always update the series odds right away. Right now, the Bruins are favored to win this series. They're minus 200 to win this series. The caps are plus 170. Now, that's not unusual when the lower-seated team that is on the road gets a split

and is going home for two games. So that's not that unusual, and it's not like that's an overwhelming favorite, but it's a pretty solid favorite. So Vegas sort of likes the Bruins, and maybe it's because Kuznetsov and Samsonov, you're not sure about their status at all with Lars Eller down. I'm not overly confident that they can win this series. I really thought up three to two with three minutes to go that they were three minutes away from having sort of full command and that they completely blew that over the final three minutes of regulation, giving up the tying goal and then losing. it, you know, basically right away when overtime started. I do love overtime. It's so shocking when it ends. And you know who's so good is Joe Beninotti? He is so good. God, he's good.

Absolutely. Now, you mentioned Kuznetsov before. Yeah. What a major loser this guy's been for the franchise. Well, other than he was phenomenal when they won it all. Right. And people expected him to to take the next step and become a superstar. Right. And basically he got caught using drugs on the video, had to go into rehab. Now can't play because he's got COVID or he's been with people who have COVID. Right. Something.

I think there's something missing from that whole story with him and Samsonoff. Well, I mean, he has been a major disappointment for the franchise. People thought that he would step up and be the top dog after that playoff, that tremendous playoffs he had when they wanted to Stanley Cup. I know, I know. And he's failed miserably since then to live up to that. No doubt. Yeah, I mean, you know, there's a bit of an issue there with him. But he's extraordinarily talented.

Remember, people were telling us after that year that he's the most talented player on the team. He's the most gifted player on the team. All right. Well, game three is tomorrow night against Boston up there. I watched after, you know, yes, I did do this. After the Bruins' Caps game ended last night, I turned on the avalanche and blues, which it started. And I find, you know, playoff hockey so entertaining. The first night of the playoffs, Saturday night, or the first two nights of the playoffs of the

playoffs, and this is typical, I think, of every year. The first two nights of the playoffs, you had four games or three games. They were all one goal games, two overtime games, and I'm sorry, you had four games, here it is, on Saturday, Sunday. You had four games, all of them were one goal games, three of them were overtime games, and in three of them, the lower-seeded team won. And it's all, look at the game winners, look at the goal, They're all so, even last night, not the game winner. That was a beautiful setup, and Brendan Dillon had the turnover, you know, had the bad clear that led to, you know, the past, to the pass, to the shot that Bergeron made. And I know that he's a great player and it was a great shot.

That was not one of those lucky shots that bounces off three skates and off, you know, off the goalies, you know, or between the goalies pads into the five hole, as they say. but man, a lot of the goals were that way, including the goals that the cap scored. It just seems like in these first two games. It would be interesting to see. Everybody said before this series started, this is a six or seven game series with a lot of close games, and so far they're right.

Two overtime games, one, one. We'll get to the Wizards Celtics right after this word from one of our sponsors. All right, tonight, Wizards and Celtics in the 7-8 game, 9 p.m. tip in that play-in game following Charlotte and Indiana. The Celtics are two-point favorites at home. They've had a lot of injuries. They've got a lot of things going on there. They've played very poorly coming down the stretch. The Wizards, the opposite. Even though the Wizards do have some injuries, Netto is still probable, you know, whether or not he'll be 100% is still in question. I like the Wizards to win. And I think I said this yesterday on the podcast. I really want them to win this game tonight because I think if they lose this game tonight

and they end up playing Charlotte, I think that that's going to be a problem. I also Tommy believe that this is huge, not just for Scott Brooks, who I had on the radio show yesterday. I think this is really big for Russell Westbrook. I think Russell Westbrook, you know, the stretch of games that he's had,

and by the way, he was named Eastern Conference Player of the Month, month. Along with his coach, who was named Eastern Conference Coach at a month. Is that true? I didn't even know that. Yes. Oh, yes. Well, thank you for telling me that.

Because I saw the Westbrook news about being named Eastern Conference Player of the month. By the way, at 2616 and 1, I mean, those are unbelievable numbers. Like, he's not, you know, he's not just barely eking out triple doubles. Anyway, I think they need to win this game tonight. Boston is there for the taking. Obviously, Beal's health is going to be a big part of it. I hope he does what he did in the fourth quarter the other day.

There were like three quarters of almost playing possum using your favorite description, and then he unloaded on Charlotte in the fourth quarter. It'd be nice to get Netto back. I think he's a real key player for them. But Westbrook, Tommy, given his recent playoff, you know, performances and bowing out and a lot of first rounds and on teams in which, you know, his team was favored in some of these series, to carry this team, get it into the postseason after being 15 games below 500, and then really pushing somebody, you know, like, you know, Philly or Brooklyn. If they win tonight, they're going to play Brooklyn in the best of seven. I don't, you know, it's not going to be a make or break. He's a first ballot Hall of Fame, obviously.

But there's still the question about Westbrook, about whether or not, you know, he makes enough winning plays. And if you can win with him, I think this is a big stretch for Westbrook on some level. Do you agree or disagree? No, I don't think this is going to prove a whole lot. What if they were to win a series as a seven-season? Against Brooklyn? Yeah, what if they beat Brooklyn in a seven-two series?

Yeah, then that would say. Okay, so at the very least, this could create an opportunity for Westbrook to enhance his postseason legacy. Yeah, that would say something. If they turn around and beat his old teammates, Kevin Durant's Brooklyn Nets. Yeah. Okay, okay, but this, I don't think, I mean, look, I mean, you know, the fans that still exist, they're very happy and later. But let me ask you a question. What is this game anyway?

What do you mean? What is this game? What is it? Describe it. It's a play-in game. It's not a post-season game. It's an extension of... It's not a post-season game. I don't think it's a post-season game. I think it's the... But you don't know. You said you listened to my interview with Scott Brooks yesterday, and I asked him. I was curious as to whether or not anybody...

And he doesn't know either. He didn't know either. But my guess is this is not considered a playoff game tonight. This is considered to be almost an extension of the regular season. season. But I don't know what the answer to that is. Look, the playoffs in the NBA are series, and the top eight teams make it to the playoffs in the Eastern Conference and in the Western Conference. This is just an extension of the regular season to determine the seventh and eighth playoff teams in each conference. Okay. Let me tell you this. The NBA has done a piss poor job

of explaining and defining what this is. Baseball does the same thing. They have a wild card game. One and done. Well, that's easier to understand. Yes, it is. I mean, this is playing in game. It's got to be the postseason.

This has got to count as postseason. Or else they play one more extra game than everybody else in the regular season. Tommy, Tommy, if, If two teams in the American League East this year tie for the division title, what happens? They play a playoff game. It's not, it's a one game playoff game. But it's considered an extension of the regular season. It's not counted in playoff stats.

That's a good point. But there's no confusion about it. I mean, the coach couldn't even tell you what this means. I think they're calling it up. I'm looking to see what they, it's a fair point. They're calling it the NBA play-in tournament. It's a play-in tournament. Look, I like it.

I think it's fine. I do too. I'm just saying they haven't done a good job of explaining it. And nobody really cares. I mean, it's, you know, people understand like, you know, they win this game. Then they get a chance to get killed by the Brooklyn Nets. But, I mean, but look, I'm looking forward to it. I think it's going to be a lot of fun.

I think they are a fun team to watch. Let me give you something else about this playing thing, okay? You know, there were multiple ways to do this. I like that there are four teams competing for the final two spots. And I kind of like the way they did it with sort of a single elimination and a double elimination possibility. They could have done the following. They could have done 7 versus 10 and 8 versus 9 in basically a two-game series where if the, you know, the 7-seed beat the 10-seat, it was over. But if the 10-seed beat the 7-seed twice, the 10-seed was in and the 7-seed was out, that would have been on some level an opportunity for the 7-seed.

they earned the better seat of the four teams to play at least the lower-seated team, the higher-seated team, lower-seated team, the 10, which would be, you know, presumably the weaker team. There were lots of ways they could do it. The way they chose to do it, seven versus eight and eight versus nine, with the winner of nine, ten advancing, the losers out, and the loser of the seven-eight gets one more chance. I kind of like the way they're doing it with that as well. The bottom line is the 7 and 8 should have a better chance to make the field than the 9 and 10 seed.

But they could have done it with a two-game set with 7 versus 10 and 8 versus 9, and it would have, I think, essentially gotten them to the same point. I wonder why they chose this way. Anyway. So you like them against Boston. You don't like them against Charlotte. I think Charlotte's a bad matchup for them. I bet Charlotte on Sunday in that game.

I bought the half point, played them plus 7 in that game because Charlotte plays a lot of zone, Tommy. They play as much zone as anybody in the league. And the wizards play more isolation basketball than anybody in the league. In fact, they have more isolation possessions than any team in the league. And they're not as successful on their isolation possessions as other teams that are high isolation teams. And I think when you are an ISO team playing a team that plays a lot of zone, it's a problem because the best way to beat a zone is for the ball to move quickly. And for the to be passed, you know, and reversed, and then you can attack. When you come down and you're trying to play ISO against a set zone, that's tough. And so I don't like the matchup. I was surprised they

actually won the game the other day. Charlotte covered. And I think if they play Charlotte again, that they could lose that game. So I'd like to see them win tonight. But then again, Charlotte could lose to Indiana. So who knows? I was going to mention one of a one of the By the way, I think the key to tonight's game is pace, as it always is with the Wizards. The Wizards have to rebound well, and they've got to keep up the pace. Marcus Smart's health will be huge for Boston, because he's just such a – talk about a guy that plays winning basketball and makes winning plays all the time. Smart does.

But I like Washington's chances. Let me say one other thing about this playing. the NBA missed an opportunity tomorrow night. This Golden State, Lakers, 7 versus 8 playing game tomorrow night, could have potentially been the number one highest rated TV NBA playoff game until the NBA finals. And they're starting this game at 10 o'clock. That's ridiculous.

And that is ridiculous and a big mistake by the league, I think. Now, you know, I guess the Lakers are at home, but if the Lakers are playing NBA finals games at home, that game starts at 9 o'clock. You know, so it's, or sometimes at 8.30 Eastern time. So if it's 5.30 or 6 o'clock, and I understand L.A. is a big market. Okay? And I understand the Bay Area, Golden State they're playing, is a big market. But they're going to miss out on much of the East Coast by starting this game, and it won't get nearly the rating it would have had this game. So tonight is 6.30 and 9 p.m., Tommy, and tomorrow night is 7.30 and 10 p.m. They should have done tomorrow night 6.30 and 9 and had the Lakers and Golden State play at 9 o'clock. I think it was a big whiff on their part because it is a game that I'm actually really interested in watching.

I'm going to be rooting like hell for Golden State. God, it would be great seed. Now, the Lakers can't get eliminated tomorrow night because it's the 7 versus 8 game. Right. But it would be really, really interesting if they lost and then had a play-in win-or-go-home game against either San Antonio or Memphis. Anyway, I like this. I've heard a lot of people say that somehow it fucks with the integrity of the regular season. Oh, there's no integrity in the NBA regular season? That is ridiculous.

They have more than half their teams make the post-season. season. We're talking about the last two spots, and the NBA needs something like this. Look, the NBA was gimmicky way back in the day. They had the miniseries. They had the best two out of three. Remember that, Tommy? Yes, yes. In the 70s, they were always looking for ways to make it a little bit more interesting early on and get attention early on. No, I mean, there's no, there's no hollow ground that they're desecrating here. You know, with the NBA regular season. My God.

Yeah, exactly. The NBA, and they wouldn't be doing this in hockey either. The most exciting thing in the NBA or baseball or hockey is a game seven. You're essentially starting off your postseason with like game sixes and game sevens. You know, like you're almost there. Like tonight the Charlotte Indiana game is a game seven. The Wizard Celtics game. game is more like a game six with, you know, the winning team clinching and the other team still

having a chance one more time. I love it. I think it's a, I think they should keep this even when they go back to the 82 game spot. And it does do all the things that it wants it to do, which is keep more teams in the hunt late in the season so you get less tanking at the end of the season. I agree. And in this particular- It doesn't do away with it totally, but I agree. And in this year in particular where you don't have a dominant team, like an obvious team, I mean, I think the Lakers fully healthy, we're still a big time favorite. But like in the east, like getting in and just, I mean, nobody, look, the 76ers and nets are really good. But it's not like, you know, the heat from a few years ago where there was no chance. Or the LeBron Cavaliers.

Or even the LeBron Cavs. True. Yeah. You know? Absolutely. No, I agree with you. I just wanted to let people know that I wrote a column about the wizards. You can read it on Washington Times.com.

Click on sports or you can find it on my Twitter account or my Facebook account. It's pretty much what we've already talked about. I mean, basically I crown Tommy Shepard, the obviously clear winner of the John Wall Russell Westbrook trade and how it's taken me a while to get used to the fact that Ernie Grunfield doesn't run the team anymore. And I mean, I had to get out of that mentality to look at this team moving forward and to explore possibilities as to where they could go down the line now. And it's taken me a while to. Where can they go? Where can they go?

Well, I think under Tommy Shepard and in the limited time that he's shown for putting together a team, I think the possibilities are there to be a competitive Eastern Conference team. In other words, to make it to the Eastern Conference championship game series and play in that series. Not this year. But, I mean, look, I'm saying, I think they can break. beyond the wizard's limbo of 45 wins and an early exit with Tommy Shepard at, you know, running a thing. That said, I also point out, like we've discussed a number of times, is I don't think he

expected to be pressured to keep Scott Brooks at the end of the season. I don't think he anticipated that. Hmm. And I think he's in a real bind. Interesting. I wonder if he isn't a bind or if he just wants to see what the last month extrapolated over an entire season next year looks like. He's been waiting to be the general manager of an NBA team for years. He's had an idea of who he's wanted to coach that team probably a number of different names.

I don't think the coach that Ernie Grunfeld hired is one of those coaches. Yeah. But he may not, I mean, you got Westbrook going on telling reporters. You know, he's my guy. He lets me be me. God, if there was a telling quote, that was it. There is no doubt that I don't know. what Tommy Shepard's plan was.

You know, I would certainly say 15 games below 500, Scott Brooks's chances of coming back were zilch. But, you know, I asked, I had Tommy on the show a couple of weeks ago and I said, you know, sincere question,

did you ever at any point early in the year regret making the trade? Because, you know, it wasn't just that Westbrook was hurt. when he was playing, he looked like his best days were behind them. But I guess they knew that it was really because of the injury. I also believe this, Tommy. I believed it at the time.

I believe it much more so now. Bottom line is they didn't want Wall in this organization anymore. And they've been saying all of the right things about Wall, you know, during the trade and even when they get asked about it now. But what happened this summer with the gang sign video, that, you know, that whole thing, in a business that isn't doing well, and even pre-pandemic, this team is not one of those teams that does well financially. You know, the NBA is a very fine line league between the teams that really do well in terms of, you know, make money versus those that don't. And the Wizards need playoff games and several of them every year. year, you know, to finish in a, in a good spot and a good position financially. And that really pissed them off. That really angered people in the organization because essentially they're saying

you're supposed to be our guy. We gave you this contract. And you're hurting our, you're hurting our business. And our business isn't very strong anyway. And then of course, you know, I think that there was a lot of other things that maybe we don't even know about. But they, that's one of the things I pointed out in my column, that while he might have been beloved in a community, there were moments where he was a nightmare for this organization behind the scenes. I don't know if it was a nightmare.

Do you think it was a nightmare or that it was just very frustrating? No, nightmare. I think there were nightmare moments for this team with this guy. And he was never going to be the guy to lead a close. culture change on the court. You just hit it. You just hit what Tommy Shepard has told me multiple times. And that is they had to change the culture.

I mean, it's almost a Ron Rivera thing, right? I know. I know. That they had to change the culture in the kind of people they were bringing into the organization for this roster. They had to bring in, you know, and he never mentioned John's name whenever he talked about this. but I definitely think that that was part of it.

They have to, it's a whole new experience he's looking for, you know, and a whole new player culture, locker room culture. And one of the reasons that I think they felt great about the trade is that they were bringing in a guy that maybe they didn't think could win a title for them in Russell Westbrook, but they knew that one of their two best players, and I think they felt confident in the kind of person, that Bradley Beal was too, that you're going to have your two best players be your two hardest workers. And the two guys that you could rely on most to do the right thing. And I think that that's

really the direction that they wanted to go in. You know, if Westbrook was on his last few years, it was still better even if John physically came back to what John was and maybe had seven or eight years left. They needed to change a culture. And you know, you said this many times and you were right. I think Ernie, you know, I don't think Ernie was the worst general manager ever. And I think many times you essentially tried to, you know, basically equate him to Vinicirado. And I don't think that's what he was. But what he did consistently make the mistake on was culture. You know, he picked and traded for and brought in people that you just couldn't win with. So, and Tommy Shepard's trying to do the opposite.

He put no value on it. He didn't put enough value on that, no doubt. And maybe zero value on it when you consider something. Remember, he's the guy who brought LaTrell Sprewell to New York. Yeah. Now, that short term paid off for him a little bit, but it speaks to the value of character and what he placed on it. Yeah.

By the way, somebody sent this to, me right before the show. So I've not had a chance to listen to it, but I'm just going to ask you if you heard what Kwame Brown said. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. So it's a train wreck. And mostly it, it, it jumps on Stephen Jackson, most of it with some Gilbert arenas in it. But, uh, I mean, he's, he's kind of, he's an, he's an unhinged character, Kwame Brown. he's a bit on hensed oh really what what's this about

I don't know well then you know what provoked it let's save it for Thursday let's save it for Thursday because I'll go listen to it somebody sent that to me right after the show this morning and said why didn't you talk about this and I said well I had not seen it but apparently you're not going to be able to use it on the show I can tell you that oh really not without a lot of beeps and it's it's some podcast that he was on right

I think so. There's a video of it on Facebook. Okay. Ball for Life or something like that. Doesn't he go off on Jordan and Gilbert Arenas too? In the excerpt I saw, it was Stephen Jackson, Matt Barnes, and Gilbert Arenas. Okay. Well, Matt Barnes does have a podcast. And by the way, I think he has the podcast with Stephen Jackson.

Well, I think that was the most of the most. They must have been talking about Kwame Brown because he was pretty upset. Okay. All right, let's finish up with some Washington football stuff and Ryan Kerrigan follow up right after this word from one of our sponsors. I wanted to read this tweet from Brian on Twitter. This is not directed towards Cooley and Kevin because we did talk about Kerrigan on the podcast. I think this was much more directed towards me. and what I said about Ryan Carrigan on the radio show yesterday.

And I'm bringing it up as a way to get Tommy's thoughts on Ryan Carrigan ending up in Philadelphia. But Brian on Twitter wrote, Kevin, you were too tough on Carrigan. He's the all-time sack leader. He's a top-five active. He's top-five active on fumble forces, forced fumbles, never missed games, played hurt and more. He was more than just a very good player, as you said. He was one of the best of his era. and the numbers say that.

He was also one of the only things that made fans feel occasional moments of happiness during so many years of misery. I agree with that. I'm not happy about him going to Philadelphia, but I really hope he plays well against everybody except us. That's from Brian on Twitter. So Tommy, I'll just tell you what I said.

I mean, I find it just so interesting. I mean, somebody tweeted to me yesterday during the show, man, I'd hate for you to write my obituary, Sheehan. And then, you know, they killed Kooley and I, even for what we said on the podcast. And this is what we said. This is what I said. He was a really good player. He was a really good player.

He's going to be a ring of fame player for this organization. He had, unfortunately, had to play for a miserable organization with many coaching changes, with many defensive coordinator changes, with many defensive coordinators who weren't very good. You know, he played at times, I think, out of positions. Certainly was in coverage too much over the years, but he was a very good player. And by the way, I have no problem with him going to Philadelphia. I hope he doesn't play well against Washington twice a year, but I'm rooting for Ryan Kerrigan, great guy.

And somehow I'm killing him. Why? Because I said that it's not even a conversation about him. versus Dexter Manly? Well, guess what? I'm right. He's not even in the same room or even in the same house

with Dexter Manly. Dexter Manly put the fear into opponent's offensive game plans. Dexter Manly is the greatest pass rusher in the history of this organization. And there's really not a close number two. And if there is, it's Charles Mann. Not Ryan Carrigan.

Ryan Carrigan was a really good player. He is the all-time sack leader in part because they didn't start keeping the sack numbers until after Dexter's career had started. Dexter's career was a little bit shorter too and definitely impacted there towards the end because of all the things that he was involved in and going through. Ken Harvey was a better pass rusher than Ryan Carrigan. Yes, he was. Chase Young and Montez Sweat are already more of a concern for offensive coordinators than Ryan Carrigan ever was.

Ryan Carrigan, it doesn't mean, though, that I think Ryan Carrigan sucked. He was a really good player, and I gave you all of the things that he had to overcome. Maybe if he gets drafted by a different team and he's a four three defensive end, maybe he's even thought of. in a higher sense. But he was never, ever in any situation, the kind of player that he was. He was never in his own era going to be what J.J. Watt has been or what Von Miller's been or what Kaleel Max been or on the inside what Aaron Donald or Fletcher Cox have become. He's not at that level, people.

Come on. You all watch football? He's a really good player. He's just not great. There's nothing wrong with saying that. I agree with everything you said. I mean, people have no idea. Listen, Dexter Manley was closer to Reggie White than Ryan Carrigan is to Dexter Manley.

Yes, that's true. And much closer to Reggie White than Ryan Carrigan is to say Von Miller. Yes. You know, so. So, I mean, like, you. He's a very good player. He did the organization proud. People who wore his jersey felt good about wearing Ryan Kerrigan's jersey.

He will be in the ring of fame someday as well he should be. But he's not going to be in the pro football Hall fame. No chance. I can guarantee you that. I had, you remember Sabah, you know, the caller to all the shows. She called in and tried to say he was Hall of Fame. I just, I said, you're embarrassing yourself. Now, Ryan Kerrigan could.

go have four years in Philadelphia leading the league in Sacks and end up in the Hall of Fame. But if he's in the twilight of his career and he's a situational pass rusher in Philadelphia, and he doesn't, you know, he's not part of something super special and isn't, you know, special himself. There's no chance he's a Hall of Famer. Come on, people. L.C. Greenwood's not in the Hall of Fame. I mean, you guys just don't know football or the history of football. if you think Ryan Carrigan's a Hall of Famer. And again, there's nothing wrong with saying he was a really good player.

All of you think it's some sort of shot at, you know, it's disrespectful that he's the franchise all-time leader in Sacks, and we're not saying he's great. Look, it's not all about numbers. I'll tell you what I thought he was great at, and I said this yesterday, I always thought he really played with incredible intelligence and anticipation. That's why he had, you know, a significant number of deflections. He also had the knack of forcing fumbles. He's fourth among active players, so contemporaries on forced fumbles.

But no, he was not great. He was not a game-changing player. They have one now on their roster in Chase Young. Chase Young's got a chance to be what some of you think Ryan Carrigan was, but wasn't. Now, what's so amazing to me is all of the defense of Carrigan and all the love for Carragon. And by the way, I think I'm expressing some respect and an appreciation for Carrigan. And then it's like he goes to Philadelphia. You're dead to us. Yeah. Come on.

I mean... Something Beametch did, by the way. He did. And I'll tell you what, Tommy. I swear, I think I've told Brian this before. obviously I didn't want Brian to do well against us but I, when Philadelphia remember was going to playoff, you know, the playoffs each year

in NFC championship games and Brian was continuing his career on a really good team, I was rooting for him so much. I rooted for all of those four. That's why when people, you know, a joke with me and they say, oh, why don't you move to Minnesota, shea?

So you can, so the Vikings and Kirk Cousins can be your favorite player. Every former player that I liked for this team, I rooted for. I rooted for Art Monk. I rooted for Gary Clark. I rooted for Mark Rippin. I rooted so much for Beemich when he was an Eagle, as long as they weren't playing us. Because, you know, he was in a lot of those high-profile playoff games when Washington

wasn't. Yes. And so you could root for him in those games. God, he did play in their Super Bowl, right? Didn't he play in their Super Bowl against the Patriots? Was he on that particular Philadelphia team? I don't think so. I think he may have missed it by a year.

He may have gone to the Giants that next year. But he played in multiple NFC championship games for Philadelphia. Multiple and was great. Brian Mitchell was one of the real all-time clutch players in franchise history. Absolutely. Look, I covered B-Mobile. in 92 when they started using him more as an offensive weapon. Sure.

And not just a kick returner. Yep. And I always felt that he was still throughout his career underused. Gibbs really started to figure it out. Well, Pettibone's first year, Brian Mitchell was the starting running back in the opener of the 1993 season and had 100 plus yards against the Cowboys in week one when it was like, all right, we're back to where, you know, Ritchie's going to do a great job.

And then, you know, Ripon got hurt two. I always thought he was underused. And I'm always curious. I've never asked him this. If he thought in today's NFL, if he could play quarterback. Because he was a quarterback coming out of college. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, he certainly would have a much better shot considering all of the college scheme stuff. Yes. You know? In 92 in the playoffs, they played at Minnesota in the wild card round. And B. Mitch was phenomenal in that game. They used him as a running back, and I want to say that he had over 100 yards rushing. They used him on a fake punt that went for a big gain.

And then in the 49ers game, the following week, which, as it turns out, was Gibbs' final game, before he would come back 11 years later, or 12 years later. But in the muddick candlestick in that famous playoff game, Washington's the defending Super Bowl champions, and they're down, they're coming back, and they're about to take the lead late in the fourth quarter, and rip it in and B. Mitch was in there as the starting running back at that point. They collided in the back field. It was a fumble. The 49ers recovered it and went on to win that game.

if not Washington would have, and as B. Mitch has told me many times, and it's true, there was a gaping hole. He would have scored on that play. They would have taken the lead. Who knows if they would have been able to keep, you know, Steve Young and company from coming back down. But they, you know, that was Tommy, you know what, for all intents and purposes, that was the last time the organization was elite. Yes. Gibbs left two months later after that loss of the 49ers. And the loss of the 49ers came in January of 93.

It was the 92 season. Gibbs leaves in March of 93. And it is, you know, at first sort of a slow descent. You still had hope with the cooks still owning the team. And Charlie Casserly still the GM. And, you know, they gave Pettabone one year and then they hired Norv. And, you know, you had a lot of bad seasons. with Norv and then

Snyder buys the team in 99 and it's been a train wreck ever since but that was it I mean you it's we're coming up on 30 years since the organization was last truly you know at an upper echelon

level and then they were one of the three or four elite franchises in the league if not all the sports yes you know the other thing interesting about Ryan Carrigan, and this speaks to our pal, Mike Shanahan. Mike picked Trent Williams as the number one pick in 2010,

Ryan Carrigan in 2011. Yep. You'd be hard pressed to find in the history of this organization, two better back-to-back number one picks. Well, you've had them in recent years. Well, okay. Name them. Well, Montes Sweat was a first-round pick followed by Chase Young,

and Montes Sweat Bounderan Payne. The problem was Dwayne Haskins was mixed in there too. And I don't think they played long enough to say that, you know, Montes-Swett or Duran Payne. Fair enough. To say that they're comparable to the careers of Ryan Carrigan and Trent Williams. True. True. I mean, to get to be on, to play more than 10 years in the league speaks to the value of, of a player.

And both these players played more than 10. years for this team in the league. That would have really pissed people off if I'd made this selection of Ryan Carrigan, if I had turned it into a Mike Shanahan appreciation segment. I think you could have. I think you could have. You'd be hard pressed to find two better, number one, back to back in the history of this organization than those two.

Yeah, I'd have to really think about that. But, you know, certainly over the last many years, They did take, Champ and Lovar and Samuels were back-to-back years because it was 99 in 2000, right? Yes. Yeah. So even though Arrington didn't have, you know, the career that everybody thought Samuels did. Yes. And Bailey did just with somebody else.

Yes, absolutely. But shit, I mean, the first. But you know what? They were, they were two different front. offices. Well, yeah, of course. My point is, Mike picked both these guys. Yeah, he did. He did. And I, you know, I remember saying about the Trent Williams selection, I'll never forget, finally, finally, they have taken an interior lineman, you know, in the first round of the draft, because it had been a decade. And I, and I can't, I don't remember what the numbers are now. But I want to say that it was like

Chad Reinhart and that may have been it in terms of a first three rounds taking an offensive lineman in like 10 years. Like they had not taken an offensive lineman in the first three rounds of the draft in like 10 years when they took Trent Williams. I may be off on that and I may be forgetting somebody, but it was like one or two players. and they took Trent Williams and Trent Williams, you know, regardless of what you think. Trent, put it this way. Ryan Kerrigan was a really good player who will be in the ring of fame.

Trent Williams has a chance at the Hall of Fame. Yes, exactly. He's been a great player, and there were moments where he let the team down. There's no doubt about it. And the way it ended is really, to me, still very unclear as to whose fault it was. But yeah, just remember the Carrigan pick in 2011, they traded back and they passed on J.J. Watt. But Jacksonville, as I pointed out yesterday, Jacksonville in Tennessee, it was Jake Lockhart and Blaine Gabbard went before J.J. Watt, too. But for all those people that think I'm dissing Ryan Carrigan, would any of you not trade Kerrigan for J.J. Watt?

back in that 2011 draft right now. Of course you would. Because JJ Watt was a real star. Real star. Ryan Carrigan, an excellent pick. They got 10 years of really good out of the 16th pick in the first round in 2011. You got anything else?

That's all I got for you, boss. All right. I'm back tomorrow. We're definitely going to talk about the Wizards. Hopefully they get a win. Also, by the way, Mike Jones is leaving Dematha.

DeMatha Tommy, in 65 years of having the most storied high school basketball program in America. They've had two coaches, Morgan Wooten and Mike Jones. Mike Jones is getting the associate head coaching job at Virginia Tech. And I will have someone on tomorrow to talk about what's next at D'Matha

because that is a big, time hire. You don't think of high school hires being big time, but demath of basketball, and who replaces Mike Jones, who replaced Morgan Wooten? It's a big deal. It's a big deal in this area for sure. All right. Enjoy the day back tomorrow.