The Kevin Sheehan Show - Why Washington For Von Miller + Buzz Williams

Episode Date: July 24, 2025

Kevin opened with Von Miller explaining why he chose Washington to play his 14th NFL season. Mitch Tischler/Monumental Sports-Beltway Pod jumped on to share his impressions of Commanders' camp so far and talk Terry McLaurin hold-out. Maryland Basketball Coach Buzz Williams joined Kevin for the first time since he was hired to finish up today's show. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it, but you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Sheehan Show. He is Kevin. You just can't leave Josh Allen going anywhere, man. Quarterback, that was the answer that Von Miller gave to the question, Why Washington for your 15th NFL season? I'll play the entire answer that he gave to that question coming up in a few minutes.

The show's presenting sponsor, as always, Window Nation, 86690 Nation, windonation.com, if you need new windows. I've got two guests on the show with me today. Mitch Tishler from Monumental Sports and the Beltway podcast with J.P. Finley, he's been at camp for the first two days. He'll jump on with me to talk about what he saw today, and we'll get into the latest on Terry McLorn as well. He was a no-show once again.

at training camp. After Mitch, though, I'm looking forward to this. The new men's basketball coach at the University of Maryland, Buzz Williams, will be my guest for the first time. I'm going to save the Hulk Hogan conversation for tomorrow. Tommy's a much bigger wrestling guy than I am. I obviously understand the significance of Hulk Hogan's passing as a pop culture icon and as one of the most influential entertainers, if you will, of the last, you know, 30 to 40 years. But I'm going to save that for Tom on tomorrow's show. Before I get to some of what Von Miller said today, and by the way, he's a very good interview. I am going to start with the news that came from the DC City Council Chair Phil Mendelsohn earlier today. He put out a tweet and then held a press conference to

announce that the city council a week from tomorrow will vote on the RFK campus legislation. He said, we've been working with the commanders for several weeks and we feel we have a much improved agreement that would bring the team back to their historical home, as well as develop the land around the RFK campus. He wrote, it's clear that the commanders showed through their negotiations, their commitment to the district and their willingness to consider what's in the best interest of our citizens. The process working with the commanders has been extremely productive and they've been a cooperative partner. Overwhelmingly, residents have asked the council for due diligence on this multi-billion dollar deal and under immense outside pressure to rush the process,

I feel that along with next week's hearings, the council will have what's needed to move forward with a vote. And then he went on to outline the much better deal that he was able to negotiate with the team than the deal the mayor negotiated with the team. Essentially, the net of it is another half billion dollars, roughly $500 million in new revenue headed towards the city over the 30 years or the first 30 years of the agreement. You know, I read through a statement. I've seen some of the quotes, man, take the high road on this. I'm thrilled that you were able to get a much better deal. And I'm sure others will hammer out the details to sort of give you specifically why it's a better deal and to quantify it even more clearly than maybe he has.

But it was clear in his statement that there is certainly a divide, if not bad blood, between him and maybe the city. Council and the mayor. And I'm going to take the mayor's defense here a bit and just tell you in these deals typically, and I've never done anything like this, you're even approaching this, but I have been involved in negotiations to buy companies or sell companies where there is, you know, a negotiation period that gets you to a term sheet. And then it gets negotiated even further, especially when there's a board of directors or in this case a city council that has to sign off on it. The mayor did a very good job in getting an agreement hammered out over a long period of time and to bring the team to the precipice of coming back home in late April.

And it looks like the city council led by Phil Mendelsohn did a very good job of taking that term sheet and negotiating it even further to get more out of the team and out of this deal for tax-paying citizens, which I am one of in the District of Columbia. I just felt like the statement and some of the quotes coming out of it, it's like, hey, we got a better deal. We got more for the city. And look, there's political aspirations here, I'm sure, as well. both the city council and the mayor did a really good job.

And Mark Klaus, the team president, said that in his statement. He wrote, we are all thrilled that the council will vote to hopefully support this project on August 1st. We appreciate their effort to keep us moving forward toward our goal of opening our new stadium in 2030. We are also grateful for the valuable feedback and support from our fans and community over the last several months. months. We believe in the transformative power of this project for D.C. and thank Mayor Bouser for her vision and leadership, as well as Chairman Mendelsohn and the Council for their thoughtfulness and diligence in collaborating on our plan. Through this process, we've seen firsthand how committed our city's leaders are to build a strong future for the district. With the council's announcement

today, the opportunity to bring the team back to its spiritual home and revitalize a critical part of the nation's capital is now one step closer. That from the team's new president, Mark Klaus. Everybody's happy. And a week from tomorrow, it looks like the city council will vote yes. And at that point, I don't know if there's any other voting. I think that's it. I think that wraps it up. I did read something this afternoon that says that's the first vote. And then there has to be another part of the vote. We'll go through some of those details tomorrow, if need be. But it certainly looks like, you know, barring a, you know, presidential intrusion on this deal

that RFK is going to be the home of the football team in 2030. And not only that, we are less than 10 years away of a Super Bowl being played in Washington, D.C. That's crazy. future final fours, future NCAA college football championship, regionals in the NCAA tournament, obviously concerts, but this will be a destination for a lot of big time events, which this city has never been because it is a cold weather city. So that eliminates a lot of things that you could end up getting,

especially in football and in basketball. All right, before we get to Mitch Tishler, I wanted to play two Von Miller soundbites from his press conference after practice today. This is the entirety of David Aldridge's question, actually, and his answer as to why Washington. You've been intentional last few years about where you wanted to go and the places you wanted to go. What about this organization was compelling to you? Yeah, it was extremely intentional coming here. You just can't leave Josh Allen and go anywhere, man. You know, you just can't go from, you know, the AFC championship and just, you know, go anywhere.

I feel, you know, and whenever you get older, too, losses, they, like, pile up. It seems like they just hit way harder than what they used to when you were young. And, you know, this team is all about winning. You know, I'm all about winning. Whatever it takes to win, I'm going to do. That's on and off the football field. It's nothing like winning. like the locker room, there's nothing like, you know, coming in here and talking to you guys

after a win. It's all good after a win. So that's why I'm here is to win. And this team is all about winning. I'm all about winning. And it was a good marriage. An amazing answer when you think about what we all have been through for the last, you know, quarter century. No one would have given that answer coming to Washington until this offseason. He starts, Von Miller does, by saying you just can't leave Josh Allen and go anywhere. You can't leave an elite quarterback and go somewhere that doesn't have an elite quarterback, which is why Washington is an option, because Jaden Daniels is an elite quarterback.

And then he talks about how losses get harder as you get older. So you've got to go to a team that's all about winning. And he was talking about our team. I'm all about winning. This team's all about winning. Truly remarkable how quickly things change. He was also asked by David Aldridge, I think, as well, about what Dan Quinn and Adam Peters told him about what would be expected if he signed here.

Do you hear from AP and Dan specifically about how they plan to use you? what they want you to do? Yeah, they're going to let me rush. They're going to let me rush. That's what I do. That's what I do. You know, I can still roll out the bed at 36 years old with my house shoes on and still rush the passer.

You know, there's other stuff that I got to work at to get better at, of course. But the main thing for me is rushing the passer. I can do that right when I wake up, fresh out of sleep. They're going to let me rush. They're going to let me rush. That's what I do. I can still roll out of bed at 36 years old with my house shoes on and rush the passer. That's what Von Miller is going to do, man.

He's going to be a 30 to 35% snap guy. He's going to be in on second and long, third and long, final two minutes of the half, final two minutes of the game. Adam Peter said the other day, when he turned on the tape, he was shocked because in essence he was still watching the great Vaughn Miller. They could use that this year. It's very rare that a team goes to the Super Bowl and wins the Super Bowl without a dominant pass rusher,

without a wreak havoc defensive player in the front seven. I don't know if that's what Von Miller is going to be. I still think guys like Dorrance Armstrong and Frankie Louvre and maybe even Duran Payne have a chance to have big sack. years, Johnny Newton as well, but he's going to make it easier for everybody else if he plays at the level that he played at last year. Von Miller, really good interview, a really good press conference that he held. There was a lot of other good sound from it, but I got to get to our guests. There will be more time for Von Miller, hopefully, before the season opens.

All right, let's get to Mitch Tishler. We'll do that right after these words from a few of our sponsors. It can be hard for men to deal with hair loss, even though it's common. Luckily, I'm here to provide you with a solution so you don't even have to talk about it. Through Hymns, you can restore your hair by accessing their personalized hair loss solutions. HIMS provide you with convenient and quality access to a range of hair loss treatments that work all from the comfort of your couch. HIMS makes treating hair loss simple with doctor-trusted options and clinically proven ingredients. Choose from personalized chewable, oral, spray, and serum treatments to find out what works best for you. The process is simple and it's 100% online so there are no uncomfortable

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Mitch also works at Monumental Sportsnet. You can follow Mitch on X on Twitter. At Mitch underscore Tishler. Mitch has been at camp here the first few days. He is tweeting out prolifically highlights from camp. So let's just start with this. You've been there for the first two days other than the major absence. of Terry McClorn, which is the number one story, what stood out to you so far? Honestly, almost the lack of stories.

I mean, this is my, I guess, 17th season covering the commanders. And I feel like every year we come to camp and we're questioning who's going to get what reps, who's going to start, who's going to be, you know, contributors. And I think you can almost look at a lot of this roster and have a good feel for, you know, who's going to be playing the majority of snaps at most of these. positions. And so it's just such a diametric change from the way that we've had to cover this team for years where you were kind of hoping they were good and trying to, you know, be optimistic and look at ways of this team to go out and win football games. And you see number five walk

down the hill every day with a big smile on his face. And you remember, like, this is a real football team. This is a team that, you know, if things break right, could be playing into February of this year. So it's interesting from, you know, from, you know, from that. kind of perspective to recognize the differences that have come around in such a short period of time. Yeah, it's a great point. Playing into February, though, will require them to be a better defensive team than they were in 2024. Let's start there. First of all, how big is Javon Kinlaw in person? He is a really, really big dude. And, you know, I love watching O-line, D-line stuff to me. that's where games are won and lost.

And what they did on the defensive line this year with Javon Kinlaugh and Dietrich Wise and Eddie Goldman, you know, we all saw last year how they got beat up in the running game over and over and over again. And it wasn't just Sequin Barclay, who maybe should have been the MVP.

It was guys across the board, you know, top tier backs mid-level and, you know, guys who shouldn't have ever had that kind of success. And you can look at, you know, how they've bulked up, and I think that they have a real, you know, idea that if we stop the run and we turn these games into a shootout, there's, you know, maybe Mahomes and, you know, maybe Josh Allen. There aren't a whole lot of quarterbacks that I'm looking at that I don't think Jayon Daniels and Cliff Kingsbury offense can out shoot. So it's, it's really

impressive seeing the size, and I think there's going to be a much, much more responsible front four, front seven, particularly against the run. They added Von Miller a week ago, and if I were to tell you, you have to wager even money across the board on everybody today on who leads the team in sacks for the upcoming season. Who would you wager on? Oh, that is a really good question. I am a degenerate gambler and love these kinds of options. I might go a little off the radar here.

I'm going to go with Doran's Armstrong. I think Von Miller might be the most efficient of the pass rushers out there. But when you look at the rest of the D-line, I don't know that a lot of those guys are going to be particularly successful getting out to the quarterback. And I think when Vaughn is lined up on the outside,

you're going to see teams shade towards them. They're going to chip them. They're going to send a running back in his direction. And that might leave Doran's Armstrong on the other side with a lot of one-on-one opportunities. Now, I know that, you know, we've seen Frankie Loubu last year lineup with his hand in the dirt and rush the quarterback in that fashion,

and I imagine we're going to see a fair amount of that this year. But last year, Frankie, from the linebacker position, when he was blitzing and rushing the quarterback from there, did a really, really good job. When he had to line up as a defensive end and try and beat tackles, you know, one-on-one, or, you know, try and beat tackles to get to the quarterback, he struggled.

I mean, he wasn't, it wasn't, wasn't quite, you know, quick enough or big enough to kind of be successful there. And he's working on it a lot this off season. And I'm hoping that he's going to be better. It's certainly a new skill set. I think having Von Miller there will help him a lot. But ultimately, I think you're going to have to look for somebody, you know, who has a little bit of both, has a little bit of speed, has a little bit of the strength.

And I think Doran Armstrong is a guy who had eight and a half sacks two years ago in a limited role in Dallas. And I think he has an opportunity to get the double digits this year. I'm a bit familiar with gambling myself, and I fancy myself to be pretty good at odds making. And I was thinking, I just gave you even money on everybody. That's not that far off. It would be hard to sort of establish a favorite. I think if there is a favorite, at this point, it probably is Von Miller, but I liked your answer. I think Dorrance Armstrong, especially with the way he finished last season, has a chance.

to have a big season this year. You know, during the spring, we heard a lot of Duran Payne's name mentioned by the head coach, by the defensive coordinator, and it was all very complimentary. It was 2022 that got Duran paid on the current deal he has now. He's got one year left on his deal, but he could get John Allen traded at the end. end of the upcoming season if he doesn't have a big season. What's your hunch on what kind of year Big 94 has? Well, it's safe to say it has to be a better year than last year because we didn't see nearly enough from them. When I look at that group of interior guys, Duran, Johnny

Dutie, John Kinlaw, Eddie Goldman, that kind of group, I think there's just going to be, I don't know that any one of those guys is going to necessarily get enough reps to, to maybe, you know, be in that kind of set conversation. But as far as have a better year, I mean, the issue last year with the run game was mostly on the edges, but that shouldn't issue any blame for the guys up the middle who certainly, you know, had their own fault there. Duran Paine, you know, we've seen the best of Duran. We've seen really good Duran Paine football. I'm hoping that we get back to that this year.

And quite frankly, you know, we're two days into camp. So it's a little bit early. When they put on the pads, I think on Sunday when the fans are there is really, when we'll get a good kind of feel about how a lot of these guys look, especially the big guys when they start doing the one-on-one pass rushing drills. And, you know, they're able to get a little physical. But, you know, it's almost all the way across the board with both the O-line and D-line. I think both sides of the ball are better this year than they were last year. And ultimately, we'll make each other better as they play against the ball. each other and work with each other. So I'm hoping that we see a lot from Duran, but I think there's

going to be a lot of rotation up there in the middle. And, you know, I don't know who's going to be the odd man out there, really, because you've got to get Johnny Newton on the field because he was really, really good last year in spots as well. You asked Quinn today about Marshawn Latimore. What's your hunch as to what their expectations are for him in 2025? I mean, I think it has to start with health, right? I think you have to the hope that that hamstring is fully healed and not going to be another issue. And if we're able to kind of take that part of, you know, football off the table, which you really can't, but for the sake of this argument, I think you want to see more consistent

play out of him. You know, the couple games that he played last year were either really good or really bad. And some of the really good of it was that teams didn't throw his way because there were, you know, there was some availability to be successful on the other side of the field when Mikey Sanar still had to move to the inside. So I think they want to see a little more consistency out of him. I think you want to see, you know, a little more physicality at the line and jamming receivers

and kind of uses his size and his length to alter routes and force guys to to change what they want to do. But ultimately, I think when we talk about this defense as a whole, I think Joe Witt and Dan Quinn, they want more turnovers. They want more big plays. They want more impact plays. TFLs, kind of all those different things.

You look at those Seahawks teams back in the day with DQ and they were turnover machines. You look at what Dallas is able to do the past couple years with some of the corners that they brought in in terms of getting interceptions and turning teams over. And, you know, I think that what's going to help this defense and secondary and maybe corner. a lot is that this offense should be, you know, pretty well-oiled machine this year, the commander's offense, and they should be able to, you know, they should consistently put a point, put teams in a negative game script. You kind of have a feel for what they're going to, they're not going to be able to run the ball much because they're going to have to throw to keep up, and that should give these corners

a good opportunity to jump some routes and, you know, not have to pay as much attention to the run game on the outside. All right, let's finish up with Terry. first part of it is do you think he'll get a contract extension before the season starts? I mean, for the first time, you know, since this whole thing started coming up, I'm not 100% sure that a deal is going to get done. And I think you're as good of a person to maybe bounce this thought or idea off as anyone. But I think this might be the most catastrophic or one of the biggest,

football blunders that this team has had, you know, in the past 20 or 30 years, if they're not able to get something done and not able to make him happy. Because quite frankly, you know, mentioned earlier, this is a team that, you know, has its eyes on playing in L.A., you know, in February. And without Terry there, I think that greatly diminishes those chances. And I think Terry, you know, I don't know that he's going to hold out in the season. I don't think he will. but, you know, we know the type of person that Terry is, and him holding out, you can't take lightly.

I mean, that's a show of frustration. He lives in Ashburn. We know that he's there. JP Finley tweeted out the picture of him at the yoga studio. You know, he's in town, and he could very well do, you know, similar to what Cam Carole did a couple years ago and hold in and be at the facility, but not actually, you know, practicing. I am hopeful that it's done. But he's not. but he's not, which speaks to the level of, you know, frustration, hurt, you know, anger over this thing.

Yeah. And, you know, I'm not going to question how hard Terry would ever play because he's been, you know, he's been a warrior through some of the worst times. But, you know, it's hard to figure out the mindset of somebody who's frustrated and not happy with work. You know, we've all been in those situations where you don't love what's happening and it certainly can affect you. And, you know, as much as Terry is working out, and I have no doubt that he's going to be, you know, in shape, it's one thing to be, you know, doing cardio and lifting and yoga and all those different things. It's a whole other thing to get out there and run around and, you know, working those fast twitch, you know, movements and stuff like that. You know, the more time that he misses, the more concerned I am about what that level of play is going to be if he comes back, when he comes back. Because this is the time of year that you work out all those things that you get yourself into.

football shape, not just, you know, good athletic shape, which all these guys are in. And I'm very hopeful a deal gets done, but I am for the first time, I have real questions about whether that happened. So you and I are just a bit apart on this. I would not consider to be anywhere near even a top five or even top 10 list of blunders of the last 20 to 30 years, because you and I both know how long that list is and how many incredible things. are on it. Here's something that's interesting. So I lean more team front office than team Terry on this one. I've trust in the front office that they know what they're doing here. They've built up enough equity with me over 18 months. And I've always viewed Terry a little bit differently

than everybody else has. Love them. Love the character, the locker room, the culture guy, and really like the player too. But I always felt like this could be a tricky negotiation because of his age, which, you know, may be a little bit overdone, and really kind of identifying what Terry is relative to those people that are making, you know, top five, top ten money. I put a poll out yesterday, Mitch. Are, you know, whose side are you on?

Are you more Team Terry? or are you more team front office? My expectations, I thought it was going to be 70-30, somewhere around there, Team Terry versus Team Front Office. 2,500 or so votes, it's basically 50-50, which I was surprised by. Are you surprised by that? I'm a little surprised by it.

I've been a little surprised by kind of the reaction from fans being so upset at Terry about it, because as we know, you know, when fans see that Terry's supposed to make $15 million this year and he's not happy with that, you know, like, oh, what a spoiled brat. And, you know, that's not enough for him. And I understand that. But it's bigger than that because this is the last big contract. This is the last probably real contract that Terry is going to sign as an NFL football player.

And so he needs to kind of maximize his, you know, dollars as much as he can, just as anyone else, you know, just as any of us would do as we're trying to do our things. I'll just say the reason that I that I rank it potentially number one in terms of blunders is not that it's necessarily the biggest blunder, but this is the first time that this team has had legitimate Super Bowl hopes. You know, this is a team that was in the NFC championship game last year. It's a team that has a superstar quarterback that is, you know, ascending and helping kind of lift everybody around.

And I think, you know, you can look at Terry's numbers and see that the total yards are pretty even across the board in his career he has a little over a thousand yards basically every season he's been here but I think you have to look at those touchdown numbers the 13 last year you know that's the first time that he's had a real quarterback throwing him the ball

you know he had the three touchdowns in all three road playoff games it's hard to undervalue you know what that does you know how much that means for a team and so because this team has real expectations to find yourself mired in this muck with a guy

who fits everything that his front office has talked about, wanting, you know, the commander-type player, the leader, you know, the good guy on and off the field, all those different things. He is everything that they've asked for, and on top of that, he's produced with some pretty bad quarterbacks throwing him the football. Not to mention we've heard Dan Coen, and we've heard Adam Peters talk about how they want to do everything they can to maximize Jaden Daniels,

and they did a really good job balking up the offensive lines. And they brought in a really, really good piece in Debo Samuel. What sense does it make to make all of these different moves, you know, bring in some of these guys who are, you know, making more than, you know, veteran minimums and whatnot? And then kind of play hardball with Terry. And for me, it's hard to say one way or the other, whether I'm team Terry or team front office because we really need a better idea of kind of what's being asked on either side. Yeah, 100%. 25 and Terry is asking for 40, then I'm team, you know, I'm more towards the team side. Yeah.

So it's hard to, you know, really nail down exactly what I'm out. Yeah, I think that's the most important point in this conversation is almost everybody that is opining on this. We don't know what they've offered and what Terry wants. We don't know how big that delta is. and, you know, where the Delta leans in terms of most reasonable, you know, whether it's the offer from the team or what Terry's asking for. And without knowing that, it's really hard to really have great, you know, sort of belief in your own belief in this. I just kind of, after 18 months, I just kind of feel like they're going forward here. We know that they are trying to take advantage of this opportunity with Jaden on a rookie deal.

And I just can't imagine that they wouldn't do a deal if there was a deal to be had easily at this point. But we'll see. You know, he's going to play, Mitch. He can't hold out and they're not going to trade him because they just would never get back enough at this point. So he's going to end up playing. And, you know, the fact that he's such a pro's pro, maybe. working against him with respect to that because the team knows he'll come in even if he's unhappy about the way contract negotiations went and he'll be, you know, Terry McClurend.

And, you know, on his last year of his deal that he's, of the deal that he signed in 2022. So they're going to have him this year. And then they're going to have leverage next offseason because there's this little thing called the franchise tag. Right. But anyway. We played that game before, though, and we know that... Yeah, but that's with quarterback. Around for another year.

Right. Yeah. I will say, though, you know, on the team side of this, if you have a player who wants a big contract, you know, going into the last year of his deal, a la Dibeau Samuel and others around the league that we've seen Doran Payne and John Allen both did it in their contract years,

those guys went balled out and then went and got paid. So, like, I understand, you know, conceptually the hardball angle of it. I just think that there's NFL norms, and I understand that Adam Peters and San Fran, you know, took the Trent William Field down the, you know, the end of August, early September, and, you know, Brandon I, you can, you know, different guys along the way. But I think that, to me, for me, and maybe it's more emotional than it is, you know, maybe more with my heart than my head, per se. But, like, I don't think, I think there should be exceptions to that rule. And to me, Terry is a guy who should be an exception to regular NFL business. Look, I've said before, I have no problem with them paying a premium,

a little bit more than maybe they think is the right number, because this is the player you do it for. But again, like we said, we really don't know, you know, where these numbers are and what the thought process is on both ends. Thanks for doing this. Always appreciate it. Let's do it again before the season starts. Absolutely. Thanks for having me. Mitch Tishler, everybody. Buzz Williams next after these words from a few of our sponsors. Hey guys, we've reached that point on the sports calendar where it is all about baseball.

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Schedule a fast, free estimate right now with the pros at Window Nation. 86690 Nation, Window Nation.com. All right, joining me right now for the first time of hopefully many times to come, the new head coach of Maryland men's basketball, Buzz Williams. Buzz has won everywhere he's been. Marquette, Virginia Tech, and most recently, Texas A&M, 11 NCAA tournament trips in the 17 seasons he spent in Milwaukee, Blacksburg, College Station, four Sweet 16s and Elite 8. It's great to have you on the show. You've been here for a few months, and I know it's been tough getting settled, especially with having to remake the whole roster. I just mentioned the three places that you have spent the last 16 to 17 years living in with your family.

How has it been so far adjusting to a much bigger market in the D.C. area? Yes, sir. Thanks for the opportunity to visit with you. Everything has been good. I think we've been here. Well, I've been here a little over 100 days. and to your point, I think we were six years in Milwaukee, five years in Blacksburg and six years in College Station. My wife and I got married towards the tail end of my career as an assistant. I started as a head coach at the University of New Orleans. So we've kind of lived all over the place. Our children were born.

We have four children. They were all born at different stops along the way. It has been a long time since we've lived in a non-college town. And so it's been a good change of pace. Anytime there's transition in jobs, whether you're the head coach or assistant coach, there's a lot of moving parts as it relates to jobs and your staff and the spouses and the children. And everything thus far, you never know because you haven't lived it yet. but I think we've tried to make sound decisions personally and sound decisions professionally.

But as you mentioned, Kevin, it's all been happening at warp speed. And that's kind of what has happened, not just that Maryland. That happens everywhere now in college athletics within what the model has become. And so to some degree, when I was hired, it was somewhat later in the process than normal. and when there's zero players on the team, that's not a complaint. That was just a reality. And how do you make progress relative to not only making decisions for now, but trying to also position yourself as best you can with the future

as it relates to the players that are available, whether that be freshmen, whether that be in the portal. And so our staff has done a really good job, in my opinion, of trying to make sure that we find the right people and the right families, but also the right talent. And so we've went at it as hard as we can, and we're thankful to be here. And not everybody has moved yet, but it's getting closer. And once summer session two ends, it'll take a couple of more weeks.

But everybody's at different stages. Some of them are still in the hotels. Some of them are fully settled. and if you come to my house and you want to help unpack boxes, there's plenty to do. One of the things that I remember from your introductory press conference a few months ago, and it was very funny, you were talking about one of your sons who was at, I think it was like East Texas Baptist State, and you said, for those of you who don't know it, it's in Texas and it's in the eastern part of Texas.

Yeah, he's reminded me of that many times. Yeah. That was a little bit of anxiety on my part. I apologize. That was great. I was a little tongue-tied on some of the things that I wanted to communicate. And his coach has mentioned that to me a few times, too. Free plug.

But, yeah, Mason is our youngest son, and he played there last year. and he's lived with us this summer, but we'll be going back. I'll have to move him back to Texas once we finish summer school here. So we tried to see if we could get him in the Division III transfer portal for non-monetary decisions, but for proximity to his mom and dad, and it didn't work. So we'll have to move him back to Texas in a couple of weeks. Oh, okay. Well, what year is he?

He'll be a sophomore. Okay. So, thanks for asking. He'll be a sophomore. So hopefully next year you find something much closer. But you mentioned the fact that, you know, you've been in college towns, you know, Blacksburg and College Station. You know, two coaches ago here, Mark Turgeon, he came from College Station to College Park, which was, you know, a massive change. He had been in places like Wichita and Jacksonville before.

Have you had a chance to spend time with him? or talk to him about the adjustment that he and his wife Anne had to make coming to D.C.? Yeah, I've talked with Coach a couple of times. Just like I've tried to be respectful to all of the coaches, obviously Coach Williams, Coach Dressel's family, Coach Wade. I've tried to, Coach Willard, I've tried to be respectful in honoring all of their work and time that they've given to the institution, while at the same time trying to do the things that I need to do.

I have known Coach Turgeon specifically nearly my entire career, obviously. He replaced Billy Gillespie. I was an assistant for Billy Gillespie, and by the time Coach Terge got to college station, I had already became a head coach, but a lot of the players that were on his team when he arrived were players that I had recruited or been a part of recruiting.

And so I knew, I have known Coach Tudge forever, and he and I have texted and spoken a few times. I haven't had a chance to see him in person since I have been here. But it is, I have a long list of things to do on my phone, hopefully that I can knock some of those things off in August. And seeing Coach Turg is one of those things. How much did you know about Maryland basketball and its tradition and history before taking the job? Yeah, good question. Transparently, Kevin, I knew probably the top shelf part of it.

Most of my career, I have studied coaches more than I have studied programs. I've studied coaches more than I have studied players. because I grew up wanting to be a coach and wanting to learn from excellent leaders in all sports, not just in basketball. And so I was more familiar with the coaches at Maryland than I was the program at Maryland. And I understand in some ways you can say that's interconnected. But I have learned more in a hundred-plus days that I've been here about Maryland and the program and the support of the program, the importance of the program.

program and what it means within not only the campus community, but the community and the state and the region. And so I feel very honored and humble the steward what has been an unbelievable history. I've been reading several books since I've been hired a little bit on the program, a little bit on more of the former players and former coaches. So I'm more educated than I was the first day that I met you. And so I feel blessed to even be able to be in this office and be in this facility. You probably, as you said, over the 100 days learned a lot more. Is there one thing more than any other thing that when you spend time with Maryland people, they've emphasized to you? Yeah, good question. I think today is the 112th day.

I think what's been emphasized the most is just what a home court advantage Xfinity is. And, you know, that happens at other places, and it sounds like it's very much a part of the Big Ten and the difficulty in winning on the road, maybe more so than other Power 4 leagues. That's one of the things on my list that I will study some in August as we start studying some of the big 10 teams and style of play and some of their rosters. I haven't heard one person that has evidence that has not mentioned among many things. The one prevailing thought is the advantage of Xfinity, the support, the crowds, the students, the season ticket holders, the longtime season ticket holders, like how important it is

and how consistent they are in their support and what a difficult place it is to win at. I mean, I've even had other Big Ten coaches tell me that. And I'm like, well, I appreciate you telling me, obviously, I haven't been there for a game. So I didn't know. But everybody, that has for sure been a prevailing thought. Yeah, I asked you that question because I thought that might be the thing, because I was weaned on Maryland basketball. You know, I grew up during the lefty era.

We, you know, I was in Cole Fieldhouse. I was there as a student. And I've said for many, many years, in this city, there is no more electric atmosphere and more difficult environment than college park for a big game. Now, you know, you may not feel it in November and December if a ranked team isn't in there. But for a big game, you know, the ACC coaches, the Big Ten coaches will tell you, wasn't a tougher place to play. I was actually trying to figure it out, and you already answered the question, but I realized that, you know, you got to Virginia Tech as Maryland had just moved

to the Big Ten, so you never have, at any stop, coached against Maryland or coached in College Park. That's correct. There is some symmetry in some of what you're talking about. A couple of things. When I went to Virginia Tech, the Big East, Burrett Big East had only been in place for one season. So the year we went to the Elite 8, which was my fifth year at Marquette, we won, co-shared the Big East regular season championship. And that was when, in essence, that was the last game of that version of the Big East. and then what the Big East became was my last year at Marquette.

And that's when all of this was beginning. The first round of the shift was happening as it relates to Maryland, as it relates to Notre Dame, multiple schools in regards to the shift. And that was when the shift took place. Obviously, it didn't affect me going to the ACC. But my first Division I had done. coaching game was in the Black Coaches Association tournament, which was at the University of Maryland in 2006, November of 2006. And we played Vermont and Hampton. So I have never coached against

or at the University of Maryland, but I have played on the University of Maryland's campus, if that makes Yeah, well, in 2006, Xfinity was about three years old at that point. Yeah, I think I think Coach Williams mentioned, was it 2002-3 season, the first season of Xfinity? Yeah, exactly. They won the national championship in the final year at Coalfield House in 2002, and then Xfinity opened the following year. So, you know, the fall early December of 2002 into 2003. exactly. And so the last regular season game at Cole was in the

whatever March of 2002 and then later in that month they won the they won the championship. Yeah, yeah they crushed Virginia in the final game ever played at Cole and won the regular season and they finished ranked you know second or third in the country they were the one seat in the east and they went on to win the national championship, you know, beating Kansas and the semis and Indiana in the final. But that game against Virginia, the final game in Cole, was memorable. But about two weeks earlier, coach, they had played Duke in a one versus three matchup, I think. And it was part of that several year period where Maryland and Duke may have been the best rivalry in the sport.

and the building on that day at Cole and Maryland won that game, it was insanity. And, you know, as great as Xfinity is, and it's phenomenal, Cole was even better. And that has been, sorry to interrupt you, that has been something else. Our generation, the generations ahead of us, that has been another prevailing thought about Cole Fieldhouse.

so much so that this would have been early in my tenure when I was still living in the hotel. Coach Laxley's been an unbelievably kind on border in helping me with all of this. And a couple of times I had mentioned to him, hey, coach, when nobody's around, can you just like, can I just have an hour of your time here or there? And just talk to me about Maryland, talk to me about the school, talk to me about football, talk just anything. And one of the times that we spent, he came and picked me up at the hotel. And this was like late at night and he's like, hey, I'm going to take you on a tour. Nobody will see us. And he took me to Cole Fieldhouse. Yeah, the football facility. And I was like, oh, yeah,

everybody's been telling me about this. What do they do with this now? And he's like, oh, this is our facility. And I'm like, oh, I didn't know. And, you know, it's like 11 o'clock at night. And it's just coach and I, and we pull up, and I was like, coach, this is like, fool. And like, I'm old now, so a lot of things I don't say are full anymore. And I'm like, wow, this is, this is like really unique that they have utilized and transformed Cold Fieldhouse into what it is now. It's like past, present and future, a lot of great stories and memories and experiences in that building.

Well, you know, right in the middle of campus sat 14,500. There was no air conditioning, so it would get hot as hell in there. And it was an absolute, you know, snake pit to play in for opponents. And, you know, those were the ACC days and many ACC years in Xfinity with, but you would walk into that building and you would look down on the arena and there would be the Carolina baby blue. uniforms going through layup lines and Maryland on the other end. Lefty really is the man responsible for making college basketball what it is in this area. I had the pleasure of being able to work with Coach Thompson at the radio station for many years. He hosted the show after mine. And Big John used to say, without Lefty, there would have been no Georgetown because college basketball was

nothing in this area until Lefty arrived in 1969 and said he was going to make it the UCLA of the East. But he turned Maryland into an absolute power in the 70s. And Buzz, he had teams that would have been final four teams, but back then, you know, only one team per conference could go to the tournament. Yeah, good point. But yeah, that building hosted Texas Western in Kentucky in the 66 final, which was the first time five black players started for a college basketball team. It was very historic the place was. But yes, now it's an incredible football facility for Coach Locke. All right.

So you mentioned something already, but how much different has this year been for you in a new place versus your last few stops? because no chance you ever came into a place and actually had to rebuild the roster from scratch? Yes, sir. I try to handle all of this in the same way I would handle it publicly or privately and just speak the truth. None of it do I say in a complaining tone, none of it do I say in an arrogant or egotistical way? This is the fifth time I've taken head coaching job. But it's the first time that I've taken a head coaching job in the era of the portal and NIL. And the previous four times and this time, there is no comparison.

The only comparison is, yeah, I have to move houses, move state, move, move my family. That part stays the same. But whether you're in football or basketball or baseball, it's just a different job. It's a different industry. And everybody's trying to figure out, like, okay, how does this work and what's the appropriate way? And nobody necessarily has all the answers because this just happened. And so there's not a lot of data on, okay, what's the best way to go about it? And so, you know, like when the portal began, I didn't take another job.

I was already in a job, and one of our thought processes was, well, let's get as many good players as we can from the portal who are the youngest best players so that they will have eligibility remaining. And then as it unfolded, hey, let's make sure we develop great relationships with the young men and their families because maybe part of the niche we can create is once someone arrives, no matter. where they arrive from or what age they are, we want them to stay. And we want to have a plan and a vision for their development that we all are on the same page, the staff, the kids, the players, the families, their coaches, their agents. Because if you're constantly turning over your roster, no matter how good the player or how good your plan is, if it's ever changing relative to the people, that's hard to build continuity. And over the last, since all of this has started, we had among the lower transfer rates

in the country. Is that because we had the best players? No, the best coaches, no. But I think the division and the plan was very similar. And so when you take a job and you've never taken a job in this era of athletics, how do you want to do it? Do you want to sign all players from the portal. Do you want to sign all guys that are going into their senior year? Do you want to sign some freshmen? And so you never know because it's all happening at warp speed. But we've just tried to maybe diversify as best we can while not sacrificing the character and the work ethic and what we want our program to be about relative to the intangibles. And so where are we? I don't know. Do I think our decision-making matrix, we kind of went about it in a systematic way, even though it was happening really, really fast?

I think we did. But there's no way for me to compare, hey, when you left Marquette and went to Virginia Tech, what was it like? And when you left Virginia Tech and went to Texas A&M, what was it like? Or when you left A&M and came to Maryland, what was it like? Well, it was different than all of them, not because anything is wrong. and not because I'm complaining. It's just because that's what the industry has become. Right.

You know, you're saying the lowest transfer rates, I think one of the things we as Maryland fans and Maryland people have learned about you over the last couple of months is just how much your players loved playing for you and respected you. And we've seen a lot of those videos and highlights and some of those players came from Texas A&M with you to Maryland. So, you know, given that you've got essentially 15 new players, I mean, Maryland's team last year, which made it to the Sweet 16,

was a completely new team. But do you have a hunch at this point in late July about what you've put together and how it will play out on the floor when you get to November? Sure. we probably handle the summers Kevin a little

differently, but I would say that probably all coaches would say the same if asked that question. Maybe how you would utilize the eight weeks you can work in the summer 10 years ago is

different than how you would utilize the summer now. I think when you take a job and you have to put together an entire roster, I think then the summer changes even more. And I don't know if we've went about this the right way. Although we're in week six of eight, I kind of think that we have gained some traction. Number one, most importantly, in my opinion, is the relationship category.

I want to spend some time with these guys. A lot of the things that players say about me, it's just a lot of. because they're good people and they're covering up a lot of my deficiencies to be kind. But I also think there is an element of my willingness to give my time to them to invest in their life. Yeah, every now and then we'll talk about dribbling better or trying to shoot a different ball, but more importantly, who they are as young men and who they're going to become. So I try to invest most of my time in the summer in getting to know who they are, what's important to them, what they like, what they don't like, how can I help them, what are their trigger points. And you can only do that through time.

And so we utilized our first three weeks. We never practice five on five whatsoever just because I wanted to be in the gym. I wanted to sweat with them. I wanted to actually learn their game. I think part of our jobs as coaches is to put our teams in positions to be successful. And sometimes you can have a system and you always get the best players. And that's okay. I think for the past that I have been on, I think my job is to adjust how we coach based on our personnel.

And so the first three weeks of June that we worked, it was a lot of skill work with one guy, occasionally with two. Every now and then we would do with three guys. Once every two weeks, we would do it with fours. Just to, hey, I want to learn who they are. I want to learn their pace. I want to learn their motor. I want to learn how they think.

I want to learn how they listen. And then as we have kind of unfolded the month of July, a lot of us, A lot of it's just been discovery. Discovery on, hey, would this work relative to our roster? And so we call them OTAs, just like you hear in the NFL, organized team activity. And we just take one portion of what we're thinking about doing on offense and really drill down on that, clips on that, numbers on that, take notes on that, show them film on that, and then do that only that aspect.

on the floor. And if that fleshed out appropriately, go into OTA number two and build on it. If it didn't flesh out the right way, we go into OTA number two and try something else. And so we've had six offensive OTAs thus far. We're off on Wednesdays, which is why I'm doing this with you now. And then we start our first defensive OTA tomorrow. And so we'll start at ground zero tomorrow. And what we do, defense. And there's a little bit of we're more convicted on what we want to do defensively because of, not because of our personnel, but just because of how we want to play. But offensively, we're still trying to try to maybe connect some dots on this makes sense relative to our roster. Should we expand that?

Should we eliminate that? So those six OTAs, our guys were great. we made some progress, and then we're going to try to do the same thing as we start defensive OTAs tomorrow. All right, let's take a quick break, and when we come back more with Buzz Williams, after these words from a few of our sponsors. If you get a chance to rate and review the show, especially on Apple and Spotify, it would be much appreciated. Also, follow the show. Just hit the plus button or the follow button.

That's a big help for us as well. continue with Maryland's new men's basketball head coach, Buzz Williams. You're four months away from home opener on a Friday night in College Park against Georgetown. I know you don't know a lot. I'm sure you've learned a lot about the history of the Maryland Georgetown thing, but it looks like finally it's going to become more regular. And, you know, I asked that question not knowing if you would actually be able to, you know, have a hunch at this point. I would guess, correct? me if I'm wrong, it probably takes until early in conference schedule to really know what you have, even in a normal year, right?

Yeah, I think, again, I hope this is not cooked out and put on the internet where it comes across in the wrong sort of tone of voice or word usage. I think when you have a brand new team, every day is a brand new day. Yeah, right. And it's a brand new day, whether it's the summer, it's a brand new day, whether it's the fall, whether it's non-conference, whether it's conference. I think that I like and I'm getting better at knowing who our group is. And I think one of the things that we've tried to do at appropriate times is try to teach all of us,

not just the players, teach everyone on the staff. some of the history that you know about the program, that you know about the institution. I think part of what has made Maryland so great for so long from a sustainability standpoint is not just the care and not just the support, but if you talk to this player or this coach from 20 years ago or 10 years ago, there is a connection. And I think we, as all of us are brand new, we need to get involved in understanding the history. I just had lunch. I never eat lunch.

And I just had lunch because I had a visitor. Why don't you eat lunch? You just don't make time for it? Yeah, yes, sir, I don't eat lunch. And so I had two people that I hadn't met that came to campus, and I had lunch with them. And they were telling me, and you probably know, that this is the first time they believe in at least a decade that Georgetown and Maryland have played.

Do you know if that's... Yeah, yeah, we played in 15 and we played in 16 as part of the Gavitt games. Mark and JT3 scheduled back-to-back years, which was great. And by the way, Maryland won both of those games. They won in College Park in 15 and then in an incredible comeback down like nine. with two minutes to go. A guy that was visiting with you the other day. Anthony Cowan as a freshman was incredible in the comeback.

But yes, and this has been a desire of a lot of sports fans and, of course, college basketball fans in this area that Maryland and Georgetown play every year. There were a lot of reasons. There's a lot of history. Gary will be able to, as Maryland's greatest coach ever, be able to catch you up on all of that history. but there was some bad blood, you know, during those years.

But it's great that it's resuming. And it'll become a top five, top ten date on the sports calendar in the DMV every year. If Maryland and Georgetown play. It's interesting. Thanks for the knowledge there of the history. It's interesting that you would say all that the guy that I met with, he goes, hey, Buzz. he used some different words but you'll get to just

he goes buzz now let me break this down for you and I go yes sir and we're talking about Maryland and Georgetown and of course I know that we're playing here and all of that but I didn't know there was a 10 year gap or nine years now and he goes buzz

this is what it is it's the cowboys and redskins on Thanksgiving Day you know that don't you and I go yes sir I grew up on that I know I know they may not play on Thanksgiving Day, and I know they're not called the Redskins anymore, but yes, sir, I remember that.

He goes, that's what it'll be in here on that night at Expended. And I go, okay, I appreciate that. That helps me. That clues me in. So I have great respect for Coach Dooley. Obviously, we competed against each other and have known each other. I think actually we both became head coaches at the same exact time. And so when he got the job at Fairfield and when I got the job at New Orleans.

So that'll be great. So did you grow up a Cowboys fan? I'm assuming yes. Yeah, I don't think there's much of a choice when you grow up in a farming community without a stoplight, and that's the only channel that works after church on Sundays. Yeah. And there's a lot of, like all teams and all sports,

I've not been a fan of many things in my life other than coaches. But I have cheered for the Cowboys most of, of my life, although it's been a long time since we've been any good. So I am now, whether it's the Orioles or the Ravens, I entered the transfer portal relative to who I cheer for now. Well, you don't have to do that. There are plenty of Cowboys fans in this area like there are in every area around the country. But that rivalry is the all-time rivalry in this town.

Redskins Cowboys for sure and it would be great if they would both be really good at the same time so those games could become meaningful again. All right, I have so much more but I've kept you too long, but I'm going to finish up with this because you've mentioned it a couple of times

that you study coaches, not programs, not players. Who are the coaches over the course of your career that you've studied the most? Oh, Kevin, like I, I've read a book a week for every week for every year for a long time. And it's not just coaches, but I have always wanted to be a coach and grew up wanting to be a coach. I've studied all coaches in all sports, not just basketball.

When I was young, I didn't know that I was going to coach basketball. And a lot of people would probably say I still don't coach basketball. But I just love the leadership. that comes from it and most of my favorite sport is football and I have a lot of friends that are football coaches or have been football coaches. And from a leadership standpoint,

from a communication standpoint, from a teaching standpoint, that's just my coaches and the impact they've had on my life. And I think even now, even though the industry's changed and the model has changed, In many respects, children are still children.

And the opportunity, along with the responsibility you have as a coach to speak life to them to positively impact not only their playing career, but hopefully the rest of their life, you're a hope merchant. You're a hope dealer. And so that's why I'm still doing it. I think that's what I'm supposed to be doing as of now. and I understand all of the things that come with it, just like everything, there's good things and there's bad things. But I've studied, you name it, like whether it's NFL, whether it's Major League Baseball, College Football, College Basketball, MBA.

I've tried to become a seeker of all wisdom when it comes to coaches, regardless of sport, and have been blessed along my past to meet some of them that I've studied, and I still study it. book I'm reading this week on Coach Williams is like tremendous. And I'm learning a lot of the Maryland history, not just Coach Williams' history, but it's been great. But I do that as I do that often and always have for a long, long time. I really enjoyed this. Thank you so much. I hope we can do it again, you know, before the season begins. Best of luck to you. Really, again, appreciate it. Take care.

Yeah, thank you so much for allowing me to be on, Kevin. I hope it went good for you. Thank you. Buzz Williams, everybody. Interesting guy. I like that. I enjoyed it. And I know we didn't talk about the roster in detail. We can do that in late October, early November, and we'll have them on then. If you haven't been following it, and we talked a little bit about this, he literally had to build the roster from scratch. There wasn't one holdover.

15 spots available when he got here, and he filled them all with transfers and some incoming freshmen as well. Interestingly, if you look at kind of the all-too-early bracketologies, Maryland's a tournament team according to a lot of them. I think Lenardi has him is like a 10 or an 11 seed. I mean, who the hell knows at this point. I mean, 15 players who have never played together. He's got some of his Texas A&M players who have played together.

played together. Ferell Payne is a big six-foot-nine-inch, 250-pound force. He was at Minnesota. We remember facing TURP fans do Feral Payne when he was at Minnesota before transferring to A&M. He's certainly expected to be a big-time contributor for the team this year. Miles Rice, the transfer from Indiana in the back court. But how it comes together, nobody knows. and we won't know for a month or two after the season starts. But there are some expectations, but I think most people will have them dialed back, understanding what he had to put together from scratch. Look forward to more conversations with Buzz Williams.

By the way, he's throwing out the first pitch tomorrow night at the Orioles game against the Rockies at Camden Yards. And then he's got an event on August 2nd that I want to tell you about. It's called Buzz's Bunch. It's an event that includes the entire Maryland basketball team along with several community partners. It's a day full of friends, fellowship, and fun, inclusive activities centered around teaching the fundamentals of basketball. He started Buzz's Bunch. back in 2008 when he was at Marquette.

It's a nonprofit with the primary objective of helping children with special needs come together socially while gaining a love and appreciation for the game of basketball. For any questions or if you wish to partner or make a donation to Buzz's Bunch, email KHack at UMD.edu. That's K-A-Y-H-H-A-C-S-E-S-E-S-E-E-U. at UMD.edu. All right. That's it for the day. Back tomorrow with Tommy.