The Kevin Sheehan Show - Will The NFL Go To 18 Games?

Episode Date: July 16, 2019

Kevin and Thom open the show with some discussion about "The Office". Then it's a debate on the idea the NFL is floating about an 18-game schedule with a 16-game limit per player. They talked Nats, Strasburg's schedule, Jack Evans, and Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker. <p> </p><p>Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a></p> Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You want it. You need it. It's what everyone's talking about. The Kevin Sheehan Show. Now here's Kevin. You're listening to The Sports Fix. Yep, Tommy's here. Aaron's here. This show's presented by Window Nation. If you're in the market for Windows, call 86690 Nation or go to Window Nation.com and tell them we told you to call. We're going to, I saved a couple of topics for Tommy today. One is the tragic passing of Pernell Whitaker, which Tommy will get into later on. And also, I passed on doing the NFL 18 games, but each player can only play 16 of the 18 idea for you today, which I do want to get into because I think it's one of the most absurd things I've ever heard of. And there's some Redskins news today, which we will get to as well. But before the show started, as has been the case, I don't know, a dozen times over the last year, somehow the conversation turns to the office. Yes, this has happened.

Quite often while we've been warm enough for a show. Right. And Tommy reminded me of the story recently that came out that the office is going to be off of Netflix starting in 2021, I think. So it's another year plus. Beginning of 2021, yes. And so I suggested that I might just record all of the Netflix episodes. And Tommy said, well, you could do that on Comedy Central also. But I told him something that you did not know.

I didn't realize this. What I said to him was that the shows that air on television actually are a bit shorter than the Netflix versions. There is typically a scene, at least one, that is cut out for the purposes of fitting it into a half-hour window. I don't know why that would be because the show was originally on television, right? Yeah. So, but I... Well, I'm sure they probably want more commercials and reruns. I picked up on that on a couple of different episodes.

One was Phyllis's wedding. Oh, yeah, Niagara Falls. No, no, no, no. No, no. Phyllis's wedding was... To Bob Vance from Vance for Furgeration. Yeah, the uncle who Michael, Dwight kicked out.

Who's got dementia that Dwight kicks out, thinks he's a wedding crasher. And then, of course, Michael is, that is as uncomfortable as Michael Scott ever is. Scott Stots. Yeah, exactly. No, Scott's Toss is worse. That's worse, but just saying, you know, the whole sit down with Phyllis where he thinks she broke wind, you know, that is uncomfortable.

And then him trying to be a part of the bridal party, which he was so that she could get, I believe, extra vacation time. And then making a speech, it was just awful. But in that episode, over the weekend, and I just picked up on the fact that the Netflix version is a little bit longer than the television version, which is why if I end up recording all of them, I'll do the longer version shows. By the way, it's just going to Amazon Prime, right? It's not... No, it's going to Disney. Yeah.

So what does that mean? Disney's going to start their own streaming service. So you'll up to stream it. Well, it'll be like Amazon or... It's just another thing you have to buy. It'll be another app on your TV. Can you just get it on Blu-ray? The series?

I think you can get it. No, not anymore. I think you can get it on VHS. It might be able to get it on beta. Yeah. So anyway, in Phyllis's wedding in that episode, there is a scene, if you recall, part of the show is Pam's, you know, true beginning, you start to see the true jealousy of Jim and Karen together. And there's a scene where they're at the bar and Pam comes over and Jim is standing there and they have a conversation about her being a door. quirky dancer or whatever, that was not on the television show because it was on the other day,

and I remember that scene, because that relationship is such a great relationship. And you and I both love Jenna Fisher. Yes. But that scene was not on the TV version the other day. I watched it. It happened to have been on. I don't know what time it was on late afternoon over the weekend, I think. And I was sitting there watching it, and that scene was completely cut out of the show. and that's the second or third time. I've noticed that about the television version. So there you go. Netflix has a little bit more content on their episodes.

Well, you know what? It's kind of like having a basically bank account worth, I don't know, billions, and somebody decides to slice a little interest off of it. You don't really notice it if you're watching a rerun. There's so much good stuff. Yeah, what's 1% of you? Yeah. I mean, you know, what's the big deal?

Have you ever gone on YouTube and watched the deleted scenes? I've watched that. I've watched that a lot. Because there are a lot of good deleted scenes. Yeah, there's always some good stuff, especially with Dwight, the deleted scenes. Can you say what your favorite office episode is? We've done this. The dinner party is my favorite.

Okay. Yeah, the dinner party would be my favorite. I think it's the funniest sitcom episode ever. I really think it's that great. You know, Rolling Stone Magazine did a. story on it. It was the 10-year anniversary of the dinner party episode about six or seven months ago and there was

a lot of discussion about it among the actors. And John Krasinski said that Malora Hardin, who is Jan, stole the show and that she was pretty much the underrated actor in that show anyway, that her chemistry with

Steve Karell was a big part of the show, which I think it was. But he said she was just so hysterical and she was not a comedy actor before that series began. Do you have a favorite moment? A favorite moment? Because I do.

Tell me what yours is. Mine involves Toby. Of all people. He was great. My favorite moment is when Michael goes to New York to meet with Jan about getting a pay raise. And he threatens to not have sex anymore if he doesn't get the raise. Hobie's taking notes and he gives this thing. I just,

I just want to, you know, this is for the deposition. It'll be a groundbreaking case. Yes. Yes, I remember that. That's my favorite moment. He was very,

I think it was one of the, it's one of the great ensemble casts of all time. Yeah. Because is there anybody that you didn't think was really good at the role they played? I mean, I can't think of anybody. Creed was unbelievable. And, you know,

Grassroots. Yeah, played with the grassroots. I mean, Creed was a great character. Line for line was the best character in the show. Line for line? You know what? Toby may have been line for line because he didn't have a lot of lines. I'll tell you what, I guess I wasn't the biggest Ryan fan.

And you know, it's funny because BJ Novak has wanted to wrote a lot of the episodes. Mindy Kaling, right? Actually, Toby's, what's his name in real life again? I'm blanking on his name. But yeah, Toby, Mindy, and BJ were the three main. writers and then a lot of them ended up writing later on including i think john krasinski wrote in some of those uh shows but ed helms was genius as he's been in almost everything that he's done there are scenes with ed helms that make me still to this day when i watch an episode that

make me laugh out loud when he is trying to determine whether or not he is gay or straight and he's talking to jim and he says well would you you know jim says Well, you've got to sleep with a man. Okay, I can do that. Sleep with a woman. I can do that. You got to sleep with a man. Hmm.

And he says, are you available? Jim goes, nope, nope. That scene is great. Ed Helms is hysterically funny. Yeah, well, he was in the hangover movies. Yeah, it was great. You know, but my favorite Ed Helms moments. Was he a hangover?

Was the, because he came in in season three. What was the timing on that? What was the timing on that? for the hangover. He did? However, the hangover came or came out right before he became manager. That's one of the big reasons he became manager. They were trying to capitalize on the hangover success.

Oh, okay. Because I know that 40-year-old Virgin essentially came out simultaneously with year one of the office. And that that's, they credited 40-year-old Virgin and Steve Carell's profile growing significantly from that movie for the network hanging in there through season one. which apparently did not do very well to give him another shot because they thought that his profile would help carry it, which, you know, it did. My favorite Ed Helms' moment, of course,

was when he puts his fist in the wall. Oh, yeah. I mean, when he puts his fist through, when he can't find his cell phone with the Rockin' Robin ringtone. After he's kissing up to Michael the entire episode. And my favorite Ed Helms' episode may have been, this was a later one,

the copiers. The copiers that caught on fire. Yeah, that was great too. But the episode where he puts his fist through the wall and then, of course, has to go to anger management for, you know, a few weeks, it starts, that episode is the one, correct me if I'm wrong, where Dwight was quit because Angela, you know, had the stuff that was supposed to go up to New York and Dwight ran it up for him and wasn't there.

And so he and Michael, and he ended up quitting and working at Staples, which is hysterical because one of my favorite scenes actually is when the guy says to Dwight at Staples. So I heard you sold those two copiers earlier today and he said, Child's play. Give me something hard to sell. But I love the break room scene from that episode where she goes, where'd you work? Dunder Mifflin, never heard of it. Have you ever heard of paper? Right, right, exactly. And then the, but so, so Andy starts to completely kiss up to Michael with Dwight gone. Yeah. And drives Michael nuts. Yeah. And at one point, Michael says, how can somebody be so unaware, so self- unaware, or whatever,

lack so much self-awareness, which was pretty funny. It is the great, by the way, you never watched the British version. No, I never did. Well, you should because that- Well, I genuinely don't watch British TV, right? Tommy, Tommy, the two seasons of the British office is as brilliant as the American office. Okay, go ahead. Better sitcom, Seinfeld or the office?

The office. No, Seinfeld. I mean, I loved Seinfeld. I loved it. The Office to me, well, here's why I would say this. I don't think that there's ever been a sitcom or any show that I have spent more time watching reruns on. And there's something, somebody wrote a story about what it is about the Office, that it's

this emphasis on the ordinary that makes it so addicted. There's an addiction thing with this show. it's become more popular, you know, since... Oh, I know that. Since it stopped. You know what beats a show about the ordinary, a show about nothing. Yeah.

Fair point. You know what was one of my all-time favorite shows on rerun? And I'm just old enough to remember when it was on, you know, Saturday nights at 8 o'clock on CBS is All in the Family. I think all in the family is still... See, I don't think that aged well. I don't think it's that funny in reruns. I thought it was pretty funny in reruns,

but it's really not on anymore, right? Oh, it's still. I haven't seen it in years. I think it's still on TV land, one of the networks. Look, I mean, I'm a huge Barney Miller fan, the odd couple, Mary Tyler Moore, all those are great sitcoms. But Seinfeld was so creative. I mean, to consider some of the subject matter that they tackled, I mean, when Kramer, when they basically turned making a pizza into arguing about abortion. Right.

And got away with it. Yeah. It's just remarkably creative. Are you a curb fan or not? Yes, but I got tired of it after a while. Oh, yeah, I was a curb fan probably through the first six years, probably. It's funny because that's exactly my thing. Like I was dedicated to it for those first, you know, several years, but I've moved away from it.

He's exhausting. He's pretty exhausting. But one of my sons watches it. Is it on Netflix? Is that how he's watching it or is it? I don't know if it's. It's probably on Netflix. But he says some of the recent seasons were brilliant, just as brilliant.

Oh, the last season of Curb was great. Probably HBO Go is what he's watching it on. Yeah. Okay, that's what it is. I love Veep, too. I think Veep is great. You know, I like Veep, but sometimes... That's another great ensemble cast.

Yes, it is, but sometimes it's exhaust. All the dialogue is a bit exhausting sometimes. You know, I mean, look, I love Aaron Sorkin as a writer, but sometimes too much dialogue just exhausts me. I like a little slapstick mixed in. Yeah. By the way, when you mentioned the Toby thing just back to the office for one more minute

and then we'll get to some of the things we want to do in the show, that really was hysterical when he walks out of that discussion between Michael and Jan, Michael looking for the pay increase. But remember what started it was that Michael was, Michael had come into the office wearing a woman's jacket.

And it was, and they started to make fun of him nonstop. Yeah, that was such a great episode. Such a great episode. Oh, the other part of that episode, of course, is Daryl starts it off by wanting to pay raise because Roy had just gotten fired for coming in. to try to beat up Jim, but got pepper sprayed by Dwight. Yes. And so Darrell felt like he needed to get a pay increase.

And then Michael said, well, I don't even make that. But that whole process of Michael going through how to negotiate, you know, like all of these different steps where he's talking but not really talking is hysterical. And then once Darrell sees his paycheck, a copy of his pay stub, he starts laughing and taking pictures of it. Is that also the episode where Angela goes around to every person asking them for their their recollection of what Dwight did because it turned her on so much? Yes.

Or was that the episode before? It might have been. It was either that episode of the episode before. So tell me, I wasn't here. Tell me what happened. Well, I mean, Roy came in, who's angry and Dwight came out of nowhere. Creed has a great line in that one, too, just where he goes completely over the top with like, you know, says, you know, he comes in with a big gang and then he comes in.

And then she looks at him and says, what are you talking about? That's not the story at all. Now, what's interesting is they pick Scranton. I've always said, I mean, this is why comedians will use Scranton in their comedy routines because it's a funny name. It just evokes comedy, the name Scranton, like Buffalo. Buffalo is another funny name. Paducah.

Yeah, but I mean, you know, there's nothing funny about Chicago or Philadelphia or Philadelphia or something like that. Right. But they picked Scranton. And, you know, whenever, I lived up in Scranton for a couple years when I went to school. So when they would mention Lake. Scranton and stuff like that. I knew exactly what they were talking about, but they missed the golden opportunity for a great episode, a Scranton episode, and I'll be done with this.

There's a great song by the late great Harry Chapin called 30,000 pounds of bananas, and it's a song. Harry Chapin, the Catern, yeah. It's a song about a truck driver driving down the hill. There's a huge hill that leads in the Scranton on Route 307. And there's a real hairpin turn at the end of it. And it's a song about this truck driver carrying 30,000 pounds of bananas whose brakes, he ignores the sign about, you know, slowing down. And then its brakes don't work. And the truck goes smashing into the city and all 30,000 pounds everywhere.

And that's probably, that's so identified with Scranton, at least for a generation of people. And the office should have made an episode involving that. Like have the story be true and have the truck driver be related to one of the members of the office. You know, that would have been a great opportunity for an episode. Just out of curiosity, do you know why they specifically pick Scranton? Were there other reasons? Did they ever say that it was because of the name? I don't know.

Because it's such an ordinary, you know, small to mid-market place. How many people live in Scranton? Oh, I know. Maybe $40,000. Oh, I thought it was more than that. No, I don't think so. Oh, okay. Maybe $50,000.

Okay. Well, that's really small town. Well, it's not in Pennsylvania. I mean, how many people do you think live in Wilkeshire? I don't know. Right next door, probably about $50,000. Okay. All right.

I mean, more than that, live in state college, but that's because of the university. Right. All right. Enough about that. We love the show. And a lot of you do do. You do also. I seriously, and I've said this to you a million times, but you ignore me just as you have done with Game of Thrones.

But you really, don't you, you do like Ricky Jervais, right? Yeah, I like. Okay. The British version is brilliant. And it was the number one reason I stayed away from the, office American version when it was on TV. I didn't watch it when it was on TV. I'm wrong about Scranton. What? Scranton has 77,000 people. Okay. I thought it was more than 40, but I still would have said more than 77. Okay. I would have thought it would have been a town of at least 100 to 150,000 people.

All right, let's get to some sports. There was some Redskins news. Aaron Hawksworth, who I think is now with your radio station. Yeah, she does some work for 1067. She came out with a report yesterday that said that the Redskins and Brandon Sheriff are far apart on a contract. Just, you know, we've talked about this for a while now. Her quote was that she's got a source that says the two sides are far apart on a contract extension. Also reported that Sheriff has been offered multiple contract extensions by the Redskins. Now, I mentioned last week, and it's funny because I think JP texted me and said, did you say this on your show today? And I said, yeah, but it's not news. This has been something

that we've talked about. And I thought he had talked about and others had talked about. Maybe even Chris Russell had talked about that, you know, the Redskins had made an offer. I knew that they had made Sheriff one offer that was perceived to be too low by Sheriff and his agent. So Aaron's updated the story to say multiple contract extensions from the Redskins, but the two sides are far apart. look he ain't settling for something that isn't close to what Zach Martin or Andrew Norwell have recently signed for at the guard position Is he a top five guard in the NFL? Even if he's not top five, you can make the case that he is.

I think you could. You could make the case. But none of us really know about guard play. But let's just say that he's certainly in the conversation as a top five guard or on the verge of becoming that kind of a player. he is not at this point. He's making $12.5 million in this fifth year option that the team picked up. He is not going to settle for a team-friendly deal.

He's not going to do it, nor should he. Guards have recently gotten paid. Zach Martin got a six-year, $84 million deal last year, with $40 million guaranteed. Andrew Norwell did the deal a year and a half ago or whatever. Five years, $66 million. So if the Redskins are much lower than that, he's going to say, franchise me next year, and I'll take the average of the top five, which would be higher than he's making this year, or let me become an unrestricted free agent.

This would be a mistake not to get this done. You know, we know what the cousin's situation was, all right, and everybody's got their own feelings on that. Bottom line is, though, they didn't have any vision, didn't see when they could have locked them up for less, and made him a bargain relative to the rest of the starting quarterbacks in the league. And then when they decided they couldn't, they didn't trade them for some assets. Exactly.

They have, however, you know, I thought when they went to Jordan Reed early and gave him, and I know that there was some injury history there. Look, there's some injury history now with Brandon Chair. Yeah. But I thought that that was smart. They did it with Trent Williams a couple of times. Apparently not enough. But you, you, I mean, I know it's guard.

and I know it hurts to pay a guard a lot of money, but this guy is actually one of the best draft choices this organization has had in a while. He's a team player. Ironically, drafted to be a tackle. He's a mauler in the run game. He is important to your team moving forward. Hopefully they don't have to pay him the Zach Martin deal,

but if they have come in super low, I mean, that one's on Bruce and Eric. It's on them. You know, you understand, Kevin, that even paying Brandon's share of what he makes now, the Redskins have the most expensive offense in the NFL. Yeah, a lot of that is because of what they've got invested in Alex Smith, too. And, you know, you're going to pay a guard significantly more money when you're already overpaying for a mediocre offense.

I mean, that's kind of nuts. Here's the one thing that's an absolute, to me, lock, unless he were to get hurt this year. If the Redskins don't pay him, the market will. The rest of the league, someone will step up and pay him a huge contract for a guard in the 2019 free agent, or 2020 free agency period. Somebody will.

Look, he tore his peck muscle last year. They've got some experience with peck muscle. injuries, including with Brian, as our friend Vinny would say. Arapco. Yes. You know, and it impacted him. Every year it seemed to impact him. Now, he did pretty well in Tennessee before retiring.

You know he's retired, right? Yeah, he runs a cupcake shop. Yeah, Cupcake Shop with another player. Who's the other player? I don't know. I don't know. They do commercials about their cupcake store for some kind of phone company or tech company or something. Anyway, personally, I think that this is a, pretty, priority and you've got to get it done before the season starts you could get it done during

this season that could happen there's nothing that says you can't what's more important that or or making a decision on trent williams well i mean you could franchise brandon sherr what what's the decision you're give me the decision has on trent william your decision is to either pay him his contract pay him more money to keep him happy or trade him um my my position is i know i would trade him. Rather than giving that money. Okay, so if you're not giving them that money. He's 31. I know that. Brandon Sheriff's 26 or 27. But again, I mean, that's another ball. You have to bounce on the offensive line. By the way, you mentioned Alex Smith. You saw he got the medieval device off his leg. You know, I have an idea. What? I think that they should put it in the trophy case next to the

Super Bowl trophies. Okay. And I think it should, I think, I think, I think Bruce Allen. can stand next to and say, look, here's my trophy. Here's what we paid for. Here's mine right here. Cost us a lot. But look, we got a trophy here. Look, I'm so happy for him. You know, the more I've read about this thing over the last, you know, couple of months,

you know, his leg was legitimately in jeopardy. Oh, yeah. I mean, he, it was a significant, it was a very serious situation. Well, look at the, we know that there were maybe at least several instances of infection. Right. that they had to go back in and work on it. Right. It was very serious.

So good for him. And this is not, by the way, news that says, oh, well, maybe he'll have a chance to play in the second half of the season. No, he's not going to play in 2019. And more likely than not, I think most people that are in the know believe that he won't play again in the NFL. But as people who know him have said, you don't count that guy out because he, is a competitive workaholic and he'll give it a shot to get it back into a position where he's got a chance to play again. It will be interesting given that he will be around this year, Tommy. What kind of impact he'll have on a young guy like Dwayne Haskins? You know, in the same

way that, you know, we know Patrick Mahomes said Alex Smith was a phenomenal mentor and so important to him. Alex Smith has been in the system one year. Yeah. You know, more than Case Keenham's been in the system. And Colt McCoy's, you know, competing to play. Alex Smith isn't going to be competing to play in 2019. So having him around, which I think they're expecting him to be around. I think he'll be around. Would be a good thing.

But I'm happy that that's off his leg and that his health is great. And now you just hope that he's able to walk normally and run normally. And hell, maybe even give it a shot to play again. That would be in a miraculous recovery. What about franchising Brandon Sheriff? Well, that's the option the Redskins will have next year. Right. Yeah.

So if they don't get a long-term extension done, they'll have the opportunity to franchise them. So, you know, that's, I'm sure Sheriff is sitting there saying with his agent, really? That's your offer? Have you seen the Guard contracts? No. No, thank you. We'll take the franchise tag or unrestricted free agency. And again, it's always this thing.

And the Redskins have, you know, should have learned from this. But they haven't always made this mistake because they didn't with Jordan Reed, Trent Williams, Ryan Carrigan. But once you let a player that has talent and ability at a young age get near unrestricted free agency, you know what that player wants unrestricted free agency. So they picked up the fifth year option to pay him 12.5 million bucks this year. but they could have gone to them last year and said, we're going to give you a five-year, $55 million deal, $30 million guaranteed, or $60 million.

We can give you $12 million a year right now, lock it up, and perhaps gotten a deal done. For whatever reason, they did not go to Sheriff early that we know of. Perhaps they did, but perhaps they've been too low. I heard that their first offer was not anywhere near in the ballpark, what Sheriff and his agent were looking for. I want to get to this 1816 thing in the NFL, Tommy, and you've got some other things as well,

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This is honestly from the Department of Dumb Ideas. This is a stupid idea. I don't know why you think that. Because this is not an 82 game season where load management makes sense for players, especially with an injury history. This is a scheduled, rhythmic fall, Sunday, Sunday, 1 o'clock, 425, 8 o'clock, every game is meaningful, every game you're giving it your best to win, unless it's week 17 and somebody's already clinched or whatever and they're resting people. You are now compromising the competitive aspect of this game by saying that your best players have to sit two games. It's ridiculous. Increase the roster sizes.

That's a given with this. They're going to do that anyway. Increase the playoff field to seven in each conference from six in each conference to make sure that you don't have too many meaningless games for too many weeks at the end of the season. And let's move on. It'll make more money, which you share with the players. And Tommy, you know what it is? It guarantees that basically every team now is going to have.

a roster that plays a season that is equal currently to a team that plays two playoff games. It's not that much more football. I'm sure someone will say, oh, we've done the studies on this. And for the teams that make these playoff games and play these 17th and 18th and then a 19th game and sometimes 20 games in a season, if you're a wildcard team, and you made it to the Super Bowl. We've seen the percentage of injuries for that particular roster go up by this amount, by this percentage. I don't, two extra games, increase roster sizes.

You'll be able to do it with the money that you'll get from television networks because you've got two additional Sundays. Throw in another buy week. Give them two by weeks during the season. Make it a 19-week season for 18 games. Do not put me into a position as a fan where there's a big game in latehs. October, you know, between two seven and three teams, or two six and four teams, five and five teams, whatever it is. It's, it's an important game. And team A decides this is the week. I'm going to sit, you know, Zeke Elliott. By the way, Zeke Elliott wants to hold out. But Kevin, Kevin. The NFL is

about giving, putting the best out there to win every game because every game matters so much. It's treasured. That's what's so great about the NFL. Each. game matters. Kevin, if you look at rosters of teams, most guys do not even start 16 games. I understand that. So a lot of this. So a lot of this. So why would you mandate it? A lot of it. No, the doesn't mandate you have to start 16 games. It's mandating. You can only start 16 games. Exactly. My point is this is something that, one thing, it's a starting point to talk about an 18 game schedule. I think that's, I think there is some strategy here. I do not think they actually. actually believe in this. But it is a starting point that at least gives them the protection

in talking with the union of saying, well, there's a provision in here to protect your players. The provision would be increased roster sizes. Well, I'm sure they're going to increase roster sizes, too, even with this. But I don't think this is that far-fetched because I think for most teams and most players, this will take care of itself through attrition and injuries. I agree. So you don't have to mandate that 16 games is a maximum. But you're trying to get the union to agree to it. The union should agree based on the incremental revenue that will be generated and be put into their players' pockets based on whatever split they have.

Well, I think I read that this will be another $500 million for the NFL, half a billion dollars. I would have thought it would have been a little bit more, but that makes sense. It's an, you know, it's an additional two games. Yeah, and which I think the union gets at least 51% of. They'll increase the playoff field too. Okay. As part of that, that's my guess.

Again, I think it's just a starting point. I don't think it's that big of a deal. I don't think it would be that difficult to manage. And as far as players' health, you know, I've heard people saying, well, now you're, you know, this 18 game schedule, even if you limit it to 16, you're messing with players' health. you have players running around blowing their brains out

who played 14 game schedules you know it's the amount of games does not matter it's the sport itself I understand that is inherently dangerous I understand that and why don't you advocate for a reduction in regular season games

well because I don't think that'll make any difference and to be honest with you with an 18 game schedule I bet you you have less training camp and less practices and probably less chance of getting hurt in practice or training camp. So it may be a wash. I just look, and here's another possibility. If you are in a business of making widgets and your widgets are very popular, even though people aren't buying them as much as they used to,

you still keep raising the price and people still keep buying them, more than any other widgets around. But the amount of people buying them keeps going down. Wouldn't you want to say, Jesus, I better unload these widgets before the market falls out on the NFL. If you're an NFL owner, you're saying, maybe you're saying we better squeeze as much as we can out of this sport before the market starts to dry up.

I know you think this is far-fetched. Well, let me just take that path for a moment. If I felt the way you feel, I don't, but that the sport has a limit on time left and I owned a team, I'd be looking to sell it right now. I'd be looking to cash in at some number north of two and a half to three billion dollars. Well, I'm sure they're- Because there is an appetite. There is much more demand than availability. Yes, I agree with that. I agree with that.

even though attendance has been steadily declining and ratings. I'm talking about from an ownership standpoint. No, I agree. I mean, there's only 32 seats at the table. That's right. So if I felt the way you felt, I'd try to sell, and I own the Redskins, I'd try to sell it for $3.6 billion. Well, there may be another line of thought that thinks we better squeeze as much as we can

out of this product because every day there's a story in the paper that is negative about what we're selling. And the cumulative effect of that and other. issues are going to take their toll eventually. Let me just say one thing before I continue with a couple of other thoughts on this. I do not think they're going to get an 18 game schedule. I used to absolutely think they'd be nuts not to and that it was absolutely going to happen because of the incremental revenue opportunity, the increased revenue that would come with two additional regular season games. By the way, eliminating, I think part of this would be to eliminate two preseason games. And by the way,

add another playoff weekend. You know, if you go to a seven-team playoff format in each conference, you know, based on that, you would essentially have the number one seed get a first round by, and the other six teams would play for three spots to advance to the next weekend. So you'd actually have the first playoff weekend would be six games, three in each conference. Yeah. You know, so you're adding a weekend and you're adding more games by adding another playoff a team to each conference. I think that would be a part of the

increased revenue as well. But I actually don't believe that it's going to happen. I think that the players in the union seemed, and I understand the safety issue and the emphasis on the safety issue, and they're going to, I just think, ask for too much. And the NFL is going to say, you know what, we don't need to fix something that ain't broke. 16 games ain't broke. We don't have to do this. And I think the players are going to ask for a bigger cut, bigger roster sizes, more health-related insurance and health, you know, plans, and, you know, more taking care of older players down the road than they have than the

league has already. And I think the league will look at that and probably say, nah, we'll just keep it at 16 games. We're good with 16 games. But to me, Tommy, you can't, you cannot tell a team in a league and in a sport where each game is the this present. Like it's one of 16. It'll be one of 18 if they ever did it. It's so treasured by its fan base because it's totally unique from the other sports. Football's totally different. Every single game matters. Every single game is played as if it's, you know, the season depends on it. And now we're going to get into late October, early November, and instead of Philip Rivers starting for the Chargers against the Broncos, it's going to be Cardell Jones.

Like it's just you're diminishing the product And then how are they going to sell that? But here's what you don't. You also don't know. They may have provisions for certain positions. Well, they didn't say that in the story. I know that. I know that.

But they may have provisions for certain positions that don't have to fall under the 16 game limit. Again, I think they are going to get their AT game schedule. I think it's going to happen. I always felt that way. Now I don't. And the $500 million figure I gave you is based on the revenue they generate now. Right. The new TV money with, uh, you think it's going to go down.

No, I think it's going to go up. Oh, okay. I thought you were going to tell me that you thought. No, no, no. With the addition of new players like Facebook, like Netflix, like the zone. Yeah, right. The big entity out of Europe with new bidders, I think, I think the TV money is only going to go up. So they'll, and I think there'll be too much money at stake to ignore an 18 game schedule for everybody.

involved. I, you know what, however that plays out, it's fine. This idea to me has no legs. You, you can't, now, there would be some strategy there and some interesting conversation about when to start, you know, when to bench, if you have to sit your quarterback twice a year, which opponents? I mean, maybe, you know, let's take the Browns from previous, you know, a terrible team. Do you take the risk? It's still an NFL team of not playing better. Rafflesberger against the Browns? What about kickers? You know, are we going to sit our best kicker in the league for two games? What about long snappers? We've got to carry two long snappers now. I'm sure that there will be a provision. And you know what else we're going to start?

We're going to start our quarterback against some backup offensive linemen behind some backup offensive linemen. It just changes the competitive aspect of the game. What we also don't know. And again, I don't think this is going to be what they ultimately stick with is, is it is it a minutes thing? Or is it? It's a game thing. It's a game thing. That's the proposed. I know that's what the Wall Street Journal says.

But what if you sit your quarterback four halves? Well, it wouldn't be, if you're going to go that route, you might as well go plays. Because ultimately it's the plays. It's how much are they on the field? How many plays do they play? So are we going to have play counts and you can't go over a certain number for the season? I mean, it changes the competitive... I don't think it's that big of a deal.

I do. I think it's a huge deal. And I think I would be shocked if this ever... actually came to fruition as a legitimate proposal. It could create new coaching jobs. Now you can, in addition to time management coaches, now you're going to need roster management coaches to keep the head coach aware of, of players' limitations.

Can you imagine too? I mean, just from a betting perspective, you'll have to have some rules for competitive reasons over when you're going to designate certain players as this is one of the two games he is. this week. If you increase roster sizes, if you add a buy week, you know, and you eliminate two preseason games, because, you know, there are plays played in the preseason, you know, so now you're going to eliminate those plays. And I know a lot of the starters barely play in some preseason games. But if you eliminate two of them, there's a certain number of

plays that they're not going to be playing, right? Certain, there's a reduction, wear and tear from the preseason. And you're adding two games. Basically, what you're saying is right now we're just going to have our 32 teams play a regular season that equates to what eight of our teams play every year, which is an additional two games based on the postseason. And by the way, that data should be available. The data on the eight teams every year in the NFL play at least 18 games. All right? Show me the data that says that those eight teams have an increased injury rate. That those additional two playoff games was much more significant wear and tear on the roster.

Show me that data. It's not like 18 games is new. Eight teams every year play 18 games. Four teams every year play 19 games. Right. No, not necessarily. Because if you're playing a wild card round, you are. But the two teams that get to the Super Bowl are playing at least 19 games a year.

where is that data that tells us how dire this situation is for an incremental two to three games a year? Well, I don't think the NFL wants to do this. I think it's something that they felt they needed to make to the union as an olive branch of caring about player safety. I agree. You can do that by increasing roster sizes and adding a buy week. Well, then we got to see what they... And eliminating two preseason games. Now, I think DeMora Smith has come out on... And add some health insurance stuff and future revenue for players that have issues with health-related issues.

Yeah, let's hold some bake sales for them. I think DeMora Smith was on 1067 a fan yesterday with the junkies and basically said, obviously, and basically said the union is not buying into this. This is not going to fly as far as they're concerned. But again, they've never wanted it. It's posturing at the. point and I think it's inevitable that 18 game schedule is inevitable. Let me just say this from the player's standpoint. From the player's standpoint, you play two more games. If it comes with an additional

half billion dollars in revenue, what's the split right now? I forget what the split is, but I think the players got at least 51%. So it's 200 and it's a quarter of a billion dollars to share with our players plus more jobs. If you increase roster sizes, more, more. You actually increase the roster More jobs that are available for, and for two games, by the way, if you do the math on eliminating two preseason games and adding two games, it is not going to be what you think it is in play count. I know that a lot of the starters don't play in two of the four preseason games anyway. Some of them don't play at all. But some of them do. So that should be factored into it. I just don't, I want to know that when the chiefs this year are playing The Broncos, not the best team in their division, but a lesser team in their division. I want to know that they've got their best players out there and are giving it the best chance to win the game.

That's what the NFL is all about. You take your best players healthy. As you pointed out, most players don't play 16 games a year anyway. But I don't know. I don't like it when I read through it late yesterday. I was like, this is never going to pass. It's ridiculous. But it really would add some interesting.

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Go to Stamps.com. Click on the microphone at the top of the homepage and type in my code, Kevin D.C. That's K-E-V-I-N-D-C. Stamps.com, Kevin, D.C. Nats and Orioles tonight. Big rivalry resumes, Tommy. I'm heading up to Camden Yards this afternoon. Yeah, for the game tonight.

Do you know what? Absolutely. Do you know who might be going tonight? Who? Me. Really? Uh-huh. I won't tell you, I won't tell you, I won't tell you, I won't tell you who I'm going with right now.

But I will be, I was told to sort of be on hold for potentially going to the Orioles Nats game tonight at Camden Yards. And I've made, I've made it available. So I may, I may be going tonight. If I am, I'll call you, like you always do, you know, when you're at a game that I'm at, and we'll find a way to have a beer. You know, two or three. I mean, I work when I'm at games. I don't have time for frivolity and socializing.

Isn't it more fun when you just go to a game socially? You know, I may go to one baseball game a year socially. Actually, when you're working at social. Yeah. Yeah, it's not, look, my office is the press box. It's not really work. Right. Going to go to Pickles before the game, Kevin?

Yeah, absolutely. Love pickles. I was reading something this morning about the Nats. it was in the post, and I'm just going to read this about the pitching rotation. And tonight, by the way, for the Nats,

it is, it's Austin Voth, who's going to get the start. But with the Scherzer back strain injury, and he's on the 10-day injured list, Strasbourg may start the game tomorrow night, which would be normal days' rest

after the day off yesterday. But the Nats are having a conversation, Martinez said he's going to have the conversation actually with Mike Rizzo about when Strasbourg should start because they'd like him to pitch in the Atlanta series. Yes. But here's the line that I wanted to read to you. It's a paragraph actually.

Strasbourg strongly prefers to remain on schedule. After the All-Star break, he grumbled about the layoff changing his approach and degrading his stuff. Quote, I'm really good when I have a routine. It would not be unimaginable for Strasbourg to bristle at the suggestion of pushing his start back a day. Closed quote. If the Nats decide not to start Strasbourg tomorrow night, they may go to Kyle McGowan, who's in the bullpen hasn't pitched in the season's second half so far,

or they could call up Joe Ross. Is it really that delicate a situation with somebody like Strasbourg where one day could make all the difference in the world? And by the way, let me just say, if it is true, start him tomorrow night. Keep him on schedule. He's been pitching great. Yeah, he has. But look, pitchers, look, what any announcers on the Orioles broadcast is Jim Palmer. Jim Palmer was a great pitcher, but he was a meticulous whiner about everything.

I mean, everything had to be just right for Palmer. And he had particularly theories about pitching, and everybody was a dummy, and he was the smartest guy. in the locker room. Now, I like Palmer, and he's great to talk to. But it's the nature of the beast. I mean, Scherzer not so much, you know, he doesn't seem like that kind of guy, but most pitchers, you know, they, I mean, you've heard the stories. They wake up in the middle of the night. They check their arm to see if there's any pain or anything like that. So they think about all this. They, and they worry about any little thing. And Strasbourg has been known, to be a guy who

needs the conditions right. Now he's been very successful. He's been very good pitcher for the nationals. But, you know, dating back to the controversy in 2017 when he wasn't feeling well and initially told

him he wasn't going to make his start against the Cubs in that playoff series, this is who he is. So you're right. If he's really bent out of shape of I wouldn't even think twice. I would just make it comfortable for him. Yeah. You, I mean, the bottom line is this Atlanta series is important, but you've got

14 left against the Braves, right? Aaron, it's 14. I mean, one game isn't going to make a difference. You keep him, he's been pitching great. He has not given up an earned run since, well, it was well before the All-Star break. I think it was two starts before the All-Star break. I think I read that this morning. Hold on. I'm going to pull that up just so I have that right. Here it is. So the Philadelphia start from over the weekend, six innings, seven hits, no earned runs. And the start right before the All-Star break against the Marlins, two hits, no earned runs. The last earn, he gave up four earned runs in his start at Miami on June 27th. But still pitch seven innings. And, I mean, just this guy, you have to, there are 162 of these games.

I would not get Ben out of shape over having him pitch against Atlanta if it's going to throw him off mentally. I wouldn't even think about it. You know, it's almost like the Nats are putting extra pressure on themselves for this series against the Braves. Because the Braves are so hot? Yeah, in July. Yeah.

You know, I think they have to go about business as usual at this point. By the way, how good are the Dodgers? this year. Their run differential right now is 148 on the season. They destroyed Philadelphia. 16 to 2 or something? 16 to 2 after winning that Sunday night game against the Red Sox in extra innings. And they are 60, 30 games above 500 right now at 63 and 33. I was thinking about, you know, the potential postseason. And let's just say that the Nats, you know, if the season ended today, the Nats would actually, I think, face the Phillies or the Cardinals.

I don't know who would win that tiebreaker in a wildcard game and then would go to Los Angeles. The winner would go to Los Angeles. I know it's baseball and best of five. I mean, the Dodgers seem to be a juggernaut this year, like a team that has sort of a destiny with clearly the MVP in Cody Bellinger. Right. That said, if Scherzer and Strasbourg pitched their best, the Nads have a two-nothing lead in the best of five series.

That's true. You know? Now, traditionally, Strasbourg pitched very well against the Cubs in that 2017 series when he finally did pitch after he begged out initially. But Scherzer has not been that particularly great in the postseason. But that's when you've got to win the pitching matchups. You win the pitching matchups. You win the series, especially in a five-game series.

and you know it's interesting the dodgers are always interesting to me because their owner one of their owners and team president is stan casting who used to be the team president here in Washington and left as soon as he could to get out from under the learners by the way am i wrong about this that cody bellinger is having right now one of the most incredible seasons in recent memory no yeah i mean people are arguing he right now this season season the season he's right now there with Mike Trout.

Yeah. I mean, he's hit 33 home runs. I know. He's on pace for, I think, 58, 59, 60 somewhere in that neighborhood. To people, guys tend to slow down as the season gets on. You wanted to mention something about Pernell Whitaker. You know, George Foreman had this great saying about boxing. Boxing is like jazz.

The better it is, the less people understand it. that's Pernell Whitaker. He was like the Miles Davis. Is that Floyd Mayweather too? And partly, yeah. That's the, he was the Miles Davis of boxing. And he paid for that. He was robbed of a couple of terrible decisions.

One of them against Chavez was probably a Don King corrupt judging situation. But I was ringside in 97 when he faced Oscar de La Jolla in Vegas. And he won the fight. 14 out of the 25 writers at 24 riders at 24 writers at ringside had Pernell winning the fight and he got robbed in that decision because it's difficult you know I had somebody tell me you know it's hard to give a guy a decision when they're backing up but that wasn't what Pernell Whitaker did he didn't back up he stood in front of you and made it impossible to hit him And that's the science part when they talk about the sweet science.

I mean, look, the key, the best part of boxing for me is watching a guy not getting hit when he's standing right in front of the guy. Is that really, really? Oh, yeah, to me, that's it. Revereign's my favorite fighter, not because of his knockout power, not because of the hands of stone, because he was so tough to hit. And he slipped him. Yeah.

I mean, but was he he wasn't, I mean, Duran wasn't the counterpuncher that Mayweather or Whitaker. No, but I mean, as far as being difficult to hit, practicing defense, movement,

head movement. And Mayweather was the best. And he got robbed of, of another decision early in his career in France against Jose Ramirez. So he always lived with this idea that, you know,

judges who were, judging his fights, some of them really weren't equipped enough to recognize his excellence. And look, he was a part of that great 84 Olympic team with Van der Holofield and Mark Breeland, that won gold medals there. And he was probably one of the top two or three fighters of his time. So I know you're not a big Max Kellerman fan. I'm just bringing him up because he said something yesterday that took me back a little bit. I was a little bit surprised. He said,

he said, Whitaker's a top 10 pound for pound fighter of all time. Is he? I'd have to think about that. I'd have to think about that. I mean, you know... I mean, just in those in the classes

that, I mean... Look, you have to go back to Henry Armstrong who won like five or six different... Five weight classes, I think. when weight classes were when there weren't that many weight classes you have to go back to Willie Pep a great featherweight fighter

Duran's in the conversation Yeah, Duran is in the conversation Sugar Ray Robinson's in the conversation Yes, Joe Lewis is in the conversation Henry Armstrong is in the conversation Willie PEP is in the conversation That's six right there What about Ray Leonard?

Yeah, Ray Leonard is in the conversation Marvin Hagler is in the conversation, right? And by the way, wouldn't Floyd Mayweather be in the conversation if Whitaker's in the conversation? I don't know if Marvin Hagler's in the conversation. Why? I don't even know if he's the best middleweight of all time. Well, Sugar Ray Robinson's the greatest middleweight of all time, right? Right. Wouldn't Hagler be in the top two or three middleweights of all time?

Yeah, but that doesn't make him a top ten fighter. Right. I mean, look, I think it's a plausible argument. I'd have to go through my list of fighters, but I don't scoff. at the notion that Pernell Whitaker. Is Joe Frazier, top 10 fighter of all time? You know, it's funny because he's not, but God, he was so great. I just got done reading the book of biography by Mark Cramm Jr.

Called Smoking Joe about Joe Fraser. It's a great book. I recommend it to anybody. And, you know, he was one of these fighters that, you know, because of his style, was going to be like a comet that just, burned out quickly. Right. And he can only take a certain amount of punishment.

But the punishment he could give out for a small heavyweight, what was remarkable. I don't know if I'd put him in my top ten fighters of all time, though. What about, my Tyson? What about Day La Jolla? What about, no, I wouldn't put Day La Jolla. What about Sugar Shane Mosley? No.

Okay. No. Tyson? I don't know. I don't know either. You know, yesterday, a big topic. and I'm sure you were glad that you weren't here to talk tennis for a half an hour. Yes.

Yes. But I went through the numbers of this era of Djokovic and Nadal and Federer. Tommy, 54 of the last 67 majors in tennis have been won by those three players. There's never been a sport, I don't believe, in terms of numbers where the top tier have dominated for this long period of time. And I went through, you know, other, and we're not talking about single franchise or individual dynasties. We're talking about multiple players or individuals or teams,

like Celtics, Lakers, obviously, in the 60s. But I mentioned, and a couple of people followed up with me on Twitter and even added to the conversation, that the boxing in the 80s with the classes that were super popular, you know, from, I would even go to the lightweights with our Gwai. and with prior to super lightweights to, you know, welter weights, to middle weights, in that group of Leonard, Hearns, Hagler, Duran, that that was a top tier in a sport that was maybe not from a quantitative standpoint, but qualitatively, I don't know that that sport's ever

been better than it was in the 80s. Well, in terms of interest and popularity, well, that was... And great fighters. Yes. Great fighters in those classes. Yeah. Duran, we just mentioned. Oh, no, no, no.

But in the lower classes, yes. That's what I'm saying. In the lower classes, not heavyweights. Yes. Oh, yeah, absolutely. The 80s, I mean, it doesn't, I mean, Tommy Hearns, you know, there were so many great fighters then. Alfredo Benitez. Oh, my God.

Pepino Quavis was a great fighter. Yes. I pulled up a list of the greatest middleweights. Harry Greb from 1913 to 1926. you remember him. But Sugar Ray Robinson and then Hagler's third. Okay. And every middleweight list I've seen Hagler basically in the top two or three with Sugar

Ray Robinson. And also way up there is Bernard Hopkins. Hopkins is considered top five middleweight of all time. Absolutely. All right. Did you want to say anything about your column about Jack Evans and the fact that you don't think a stadium will be built in D.C.? Well, I mean...

I mean, you felt that way for a while. Yeah, but I think that the death knell has... You do? what has really been struck. What do you know? Well, I know that Evans was the point man with the Redskins about the stadium. I know he developed a close relationship with Bruce Allen to the point where Brutes even organized a trip for city officials down to Tampa once

so they could see the complex that the Bucks have where Bruce Allen used to work down in Tampa with the stadium and the practice facility there for the team. I know that what Jack Evans felt was the division on the council for any kind of stadium deal. And let's be clear, every stadium deal, none of them include paying for the stadium. Right. None of them include that. Nobody's paying for Dan Snyder's stadium. He's going to have to pay for his own stadium.

He just needs the land. Right. And this not only involved transferring the land to him, but the deal would be, as they've discussed it, is trading valuable developmental rights that are going to be along the Anacoste there near the stadium to Snyder to develop the land once the city owned that as well.

But I believe Evans thought that even if things went right on the council, it would be a seven to six vote. It would be a very close vote. And that would be with Evans using all his influence, which apparently he used very often based on the investigations that are going on. Right. I mean, there's a FBI investigation going on at Jack Evans, plus the city council is doing their own investigation. So I think, look, Jack Evans has been, I think, a city councilman since 1991. And you make a lot of enemies over that time.

I like Jack. He's been very important in terms of promoting sports in this city. Remember he came out to something you and I did? What did we do that he showed up to because he listened to the show? That might have been with Carol, Carol Joint.

Oh, right. Yeah. Right. The Q&A Cafe or something like that. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, Jack, how he came down. Look, Jack was instrumental in the discussions getting Abe Paul in to build his

arena in downtown D.C. Although Mary Barry was very influential in that as well. But Jack was an important guy in that. He was extremely important in the lobbying to get Nationals Park built. I mean, I don't think Nationals

Park gets built without Jack Evans' power and influence. And, you know, I mean, the convention center he was very involved in, you know, but he saw as the last piece getting the Reds back in the city.

Right. I don't think that's going to happen. I think that Dan Snyder's going to wind up building a new stadium. If he does, right next to the old stadium. I would be shocked if that happens. I know that you have more insight on this. So I'm going to defer to some of it. I just still would be surprised ultimately if the stadium doesn't get built on the RFK site.

Somehow they figure out a way to get. get that land to him. He'll have to pay for it. He'll have to build it. Um, but that's, nobody wants to stand next to Dan Snyder on a dace, uh, and say that we're in business with this guy. He's toxic. I know. I know. And for those of you that don't, that think that Tommy's exaggerating when he says that, you really have just been sleepwalking for several years. Nobody really wants to stand side by side with him and do business with him. No. Uh, but, It would be good for the city ultimately if there ended up being a stadium with a ton of retail and even potentially residential. Well, the idea, I mean, and plus you've got pretty strong community opposition from in that area.

Well, the neighborhood for sure. And that neighborhood is a lot different from when RFK, when the Redskins played there before. It is indeed. And you have a lot of politically savvy people who now live in those neighborhoods who know how to fight these things. You know what? That's a good point. I haven't thought about that. Man, has that neighborhood changed over the last 20 years.

It is a great neighborhood. And they want that RFK site, the whole thing, to be wrecks and parks. All right. Enjoyed the office conversation to start the show. We can do that a little bit later on in the week, too. By the way, if you all want to weigh in on your favorite episode, you can tweet Tommy or tweet me, and we'll address it on Thursday. Next time, we can talk about other sitcoms like The Odd Couple. We can do the odd couple.

I know, which some people thought that you and I sort of resembled, but you know that I was never an odd couple fan. Never watched it. Really? Never really watched it at all. I mean, what is interesting, because you mentioned Barney Miller,

I actually did watch Barney Miller. And of course, the show that you and I love more than any other show, not named the office, that I am totally with you on. And for years, I watched the reruns is the Rockford Files. Of course.

Absolutely. All right. If you're listening to the show on iTunes, rate us, review us, subscribe, helps listen on the Kevin Sheehan Show.com as well. I'll be back tomorrow. And then I think we're going to take Thursday and Friday off this week. I haven't told Tommy that, but I have something to do on Thursday. So I don't know, maybe you'll come in tomorrow. Probably not, though. Have a great day.