The Kevin Sheehan Show - Wilson's Worth to Washington

Episode Date: February 8, 2022

Kevin and Thom today with the impact Russell Wilson would have if he landed in Washington next year. Thom predicted how many more games Washington would win next year if Russell Wilson were the quarterback. The boys talked lots of Beal/trade-deadline, Kyler Murray, and Thom took a principled stand against Aaron Rodgers.   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Sheehan Show. Here's Kevin. Tommy's here. I am here on this Tuesday, February 8th. We are just heading towards Super Bowl 56.

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write Kevin D.C., even if you've got another place where you're gambling, take their free money. All the Super Bowl prop bets you need. Tommy's with me today. You know how I have been trying for the last 15 minutes to find a tweet that was sent to me that I made the mistake of not flagging, not kind of liking or emailing to myself, and I can't find it now in my notifications. But I will paraphrase it for you. It was written by somebody who was very serious about our last show and said, you know, again, I'm paraphrasing. To have a serious, well-thought-out conversation about the sexual harassment testimony in front of Congress.

And then to go straight into a conversation of pin-up girls was very distasteful and inappropriate. I love the show, but I was offended. Essentially, I'm paraphrasing, but it's pretty damn close to what the tweets said. And like, I don't think, how many people do you think listening to our show on Thursday actually were offended? What percentage? Well, I think the fact that it was so, okay, I think the fact that it was so remarkably offensive when you think about it. it's what made it funny. It was so remarkably tone-depth and clueless.

Right. It's what made it hilarious. Right. Yes. It's kind of what we do. We're not, you know, we don't always stick the landing, as they say. You know, it doesn't always happen exactly the way we wanted to happen. But we did, and I did contemplate there for just a moment when you brought it up

as you were laughing bringing it up, I said, well, what should we do? Should we not do it? But let me just tell you, I would never, I don't think for a moment, if you had said, yeah, we should probably cut it out. And you know how much I listened to your advice on things like this. It just was, it was, you know, it was not ill intentioned. This transcended taste, okay? This was an event that transcended taste.

Yes. I mean, it may taste irrelevant. Right. Well, that was fun. And let me just say, many, many more people. When I asked you the question, what percentage of our audience that listened to the podcast on Thursday were actually offended? I would bet you 2% of the listeners, because we both got a lot of feedback that people

really enjoyed it. And then people started to debate which of the women were their favorite pin-up girls of the various decades. We have some older listeners. There's no doubt. But we have some listeners that are also, you know, more in my age category, a child of the 70s. Not that that isn't old at this point. But, yeah, somebody even sent me the Cheryl Teague's poster that I did have as a young kid. But that was fun.

If you missed Thursday's show, I forget where we even talked about it, but I think it was in the middle. No, it was at the beginning of the show. It was kind of in the first segment of the show, and you can go listen to that. Listen, one of our listeners said that she posted on Twitter that to talk about Charlie's Angels, and she said, I became a police detective in part because of how much I loved this. show when I was a kid. Wow. Yeah.

I mean, I watched Charlie's Angels a lot when I was a kid. I mean, that's back when whatever you watched was actually on network TV. Yeah. And Charlie's Angels was a big deal. And I think I had that right. I don't think anybody corrected me or I didn't see that anybody corrected me. I believe that Charlie's Angels started with Fairfawcett, Jacqueline Smith, and Kate Jackson and then I think Cheryl Ladd replaced Fairfawcett. That's the part I'm not 100% sure about.

Cheryl Ladd may have replaced Jacqueline Smith, but I am pretty sure that Kate Jackson was the constant there. I'm actually looking at the Wikipedia page. So Jacqueline Smith for the TV show, which ran, by the way, Tommy, from 1976 through 1981, Jacqueline Smith. was there for all of it. Kate Jackson was there until year three. And then Cheryl Ladd came, oh, Farrah Fawcett was only there for the first year of the show. I didn't know that. It ran five seasons. Farah Fawcett was only there for the first year of the show. Cheryl Ladd did replace Farah Fawcett. So there you go. Okay. I'm glad we got that. Yeah, I mean, Farah Fawcett, Star, I mean, Farah Fawcett's star impact really took off with that show.

I mean, before that, she was known for doing the Noxema commercial. With Joe Namath. Yeah. Yes. Take it off, take it all off. Right. In fact, I think that was really where she took off was as a commercial person. What year, what year, because I've seen those commercials before, I don't necessarily

remember them. Is that 60s when those commercials with Namath? No. No, that's early 70s. Okay. Probably. I mean, after the Super Bowl, probably. Right. After Namath Super Bowl win. After Namath Super Bowl win.

There was a question last night, which was on Jeopardy, which was a Joe Namath question about the prediction in Super Bowl 3. Okay. We got a lot to talk about. I mean, I want to just start real quickly with something. The Wizards lost last night to the heat. At one point, they were down by 31 in the fourth quarter. That's a second straight game. They've gone down by 30 plus in an NBA game. That's really hard to do to be down in back-to-back games by more than 30 in a game,

you know, especially the NBA, because the NBA is interesting in that. It's like if you have a really bad game, pretty much you typically bounce back with a better effort. But there was this quote that I have from Chase Hughes. Actually, Chase came on the radio with me this morning, and there's a lot of Wizards chatter with the trade deadline looming on Thursday. But there was this quote after the game from Kyle Kuzma, who said, quote, I think in order to be resilient in a team sport,

you have to think about the team first. right now it's really really murky in that sense of trying to have another guy be happy for the next guy closed quote that was from Kyle Kuzma so who is he talking about Bradley Beale didn't play last night who is he talking about you know that's actually a good question that's a really good question because that's a question I should have asked, Chase. Instead, I think I asked him, you know, we've heard a lot of these quotes now coming out from various players over the last two weeks. You know, there have been multiple quotes.

You know, Spencer Dinwiddie had the quote about, you know, I tried to kind of take some leadership, but nobody was listening. Montres Heral's had some quotes about how bad the situation has gotten. I don't know if he's talking about anybody in particular. but I can tell you that in most of these cases, and I don't want to put it all on the head coach, but when you have a team that is getting their ass kicked pretty much right now on the regular,

and they've got players feeling free enough to come out and discuss what a terrible atmosphere it is right now, you know, usually that falls back on the head coach. You know? Now, you could... Even in the NBA today? I mean, because, I mean, on the NBA today, the person with the least authority on the bench is the coach.

Yeah, but the person with the most authority for sort of cohesiveness and happiness is the coach. Like, the X's and O's might be less important for an NBA coach, but the other stuff, you know, making sure the players are happy and they feel fulfilled. and they're getting what they want. Like that's, and, you know, Chase pointed out, or maybe it was Chris Miller pointed out to me the other day, and it was a pretty good point.

You know, they were playing lots of players to begin with, and then all of a sudden, Rui Hachamur and Thomas Bryant came back into the picture, and he's got like a lot of players, all of whom are decent, and he's trying to figure it out and maybe people are upset with playing time. But I think most of this stems from the fact that, the discussion about the trade deadline, which is on Thursday, that a lot of these players have been the focus of many rumors about whether or not they're going to be here. And, you know, Beale made the comment a few weeks ago. That's that, that makes it a different dynamic in the

locker room. Now, Chase did have some interesting news. Beale and his agent met with Wizards brass yesterday. Now, we don't know what they met about. That would be important to find out, but it was, you know, in Chase's opinion that it was more of a Bradley Beal trying to find out what they're going to do here. Because Beal needs to remember Beal made that comment about I don't want to be in the playing tournament. Well, they're not right now. They're out of the playing. They're not, they're the 11 seed, not in the 7 to 10 range. But to me, Tommy, this is a significant couple of days here. If you don't trade Bradley Beal and Bradley Beal, Beal ends up walking, this will be one of the biggest missed opportunities that any team has

had here locally in years. It would be bigger in some ways than Washington fucking up the Trent Williams situation, the Kirk Cousin situation. This would be, you cannot allow Bradley Beale to walk and get nothing for him. And that's how it works in the NBA. There's no like compensatory picks that you get, you know, if you lose somebody to free agency. There's always a sign in trade kind of thing, but those are always incredibly devalued if that were to even happen. You know, Tommy Shepard told me a few weeks ago on radio, there's a real trust. We really believe in Brad. And essentially, he didn't say this directly, but essentially they felt like he would come to us and tell us if he needed to be traded before the trade deadline. He would

Well, the Atlantic reported, I think, last week that Beal indicated he's not rejecting out of hand the notion of a trade elsewhere, even though his preferences to remain with the wizards. The athletic reported that a little while ago that he indicated, before he said, I don't want to be traded, now he says, you know, I'm willing to consider it. Look, I don't think, Tommy Shepard at him from what I know are close. Yes. But I can't fathom that Tommy Shepard would let this opportunity go by. He needs to be traded. I mean, you know, because they're not going to be anything except what they've been with him. He is not the guy to build the team around.

He's a good shooter who doesn't, apparently, from afar, let me make this clear from afar, but I think my perceptions are right on this. Doesn't offer a whole lot of leadership qualities for the team. It's not a problem, but does not offer a lot of leadership qualities. It's not an alpha dog. Where are you seeing the athletic? Who had the athletic report? Did you say that you just saw it?

Well, the athletic had it. I know who? I think it was David Aldrich and Josh Robbins. Okay, Josh Robbins. It came out in early February, in the early part, a couple of a few days ago, about a week ago. Okay, I thought you said it just came out, or it just came out recently. No, it came out about a week ago. Okay.

Yes. So, I mean, I think they trade them. And this guy, Tommy Shepherd, they should create a trade trophy just for the guy who managed to get rid of John Wall's contract. Okay. and then manage to trade Russell Westbrook and get all those players back. I mean, those are two general manager miracles that I understand that. That he managed to pull off. He's got another one in him.

He needs to trade Bradley Beal. Yeah, because those trades, which they would not be forgotten, as I never forgot many of the great Ernie Grunfeld trades either. But I think that the whiff on not getting anything back for by far and away, the biggest asset you've had in years would go down as a major whiff. And look, it's a complex situation because Bradley could tell them, look, I want to be here. And he has said that before.

And it's kind of nice that a really good player. wants to be here, you know? There's a lot of that going on. We'll get to Russell Wilson here in a moment. Not that Russell's saying he wants to be here. He's just saying that he wouldn't be against it. But anyway, not only does he want to be here, but he likes it here.

And Bradley's a good, like John Wall and Westbrook and Gill. I mean, let's focus on Wall and Gill. Issues, you know, around these two. Bradley Beal is so highly respected. A good guy. Great, great person by all accounts. Yes. But it doesn't mean that he didn't say, I want to be here. I'm going to sign a long-term deal.

I just want to see what you guys are doing here at the trade deadline. How are we going to get better, et cetera, et cetera. And then three months down the road, change his mind. You know, I'll say what I've said so many times about Bradley Beale. You know this. going back to the early days of Bradley Beal when it was Bradley and John and they were making the playoffs and they were competitive in the playoffs. I like Beal. I've never loved Beal. I think Beal's a really good player and I think he's turned into a high level score. But if Bradley Beal is your best player and your highest paid player, you're never going to contend for an NBA championship.

Never. Absolutely right. You've been absolutely right about. And so I, look, if they ended up getting a lot back for him, like stuff that they could build on, and Chase was kind of of the mindset. By the way, Chase, who covers this team for NBC Sports Washington, said that, you know, his, the possibility of Beal being traded is definitely growing as we approach the trade deadline in his mind. And it wasn't, it was a long shot just a few days ago and isn't as much of a long shot anymore. I'm just telling you that this is one of those where Tommy Shepard or Ted Leonis, they need to sit down with Brad and his agent, and by the way, probably Brad's wife, and they need to look at him and say, look, we love you.

We want you to stay here. Mrs. Beale. Mrs. Beal. I think Mrs. Beale has Mr. Beal's ear, both of them. So are you trying to suggest that old Brad doesn't have a vote in his household? You don't know that for sure. No, I don't. So we need them to sit down with them, and you need to say, look, this is hard.

And we understand that you could change your mind down the road. But we really need to know now today because we can't, as a franchise, you know, lose you without getting a lot back. And we would hate to see you go because we love you. And you're so good for the team, in the community. And you're going to be a big part of this thing until you retire one day. you know, with a championship ring or two. Doubtful. But we got to know. And I have the sense that, well, Tommy's really smart. I mean, I really like Tommy a lot. And I have the sense that he knows this, but I hope they're taking into consideration that he is a young guy who may not make all of his

decisions without some assistance and that his mind could change. And you just have to really, have a good sense of where he is because you can't miss out on this opportunity. Can't miss out on this opportunity. And where does the owner fit into all this? Would the owner get in the way of trading Bradley Beal? I don't need. I mean, the owner, I mean, isn't the owner basically walking the floor as a pit boss at the casino next door? Well, you know, I mean, he reads the crawl on the bottom of the TV screen.

Bradley Beal trade talk heats up. He's going to notice that. He's going to say, make sure you don't give that guy any more credit. I'll be right back. We don't know where Ted thinks on all this. I mean, he's blocked trades before. Somebody told me, by the way, just as an aside,

somebody told me the other day, I have to watch HBO Real Sports, or maybe it's the Costas show, the new Costa show, because Ted was on there, somebody, you know, speaking very authoritatively about sports gambling and the big opportunity that it is for people for a career. Hey, if you're out of work, you know, go down to the William Hill Sportsbook right next to, you know, attached to the Capital One arena. I mean, there's a career for you. I didn't see it. I haven't seen it. And I haven't looked for it. Somebody told me, you got to see

some of the things that he said in this. It would, it's going to drive you crazy. Well, I can already predict, you know, with the data and with the analytics, you know, the better is much smarter and the better really has a chance, you know? I mean, they've really put, they've put a lot of these sports books into a very difficult situation. Okay. Right. As another hotel goes up in Vegas and another sports betting casino and sports book opens up in D.C. Anyway, all right. I don't think he's going to be traded, but I think he should be. And I trust Tommy to get the assets that would make it worth a trade, except Ben Simmons. You don't want Ben Simmons, do you?

Well, I mean, that's one of the conversations. I mean, look, Ben Simmons, there's so much about his game that I absolutely adore. But he's essentially proven to be completely and utterly immature and unreliable. No, I don't want him. This is a guy who obviously is not going to take the line to learn the one part of his game that would make him an MVP. Well, beyond that, this is somebody who has committed to an organization. They've committed to pay him for certain services, and he's unwilling to provide those services. I just, I don't know where some of these people get their, you know, advice from.

I, look, it's not just that he refuses to work on it. There's a mental block associated with it as well. So they've got to fix that in him. But I wanted to read this other thing real quickly, because I know we're spending far too much time on the NBA. And on the wizards. And on the wizards, as many people will inform me after this. podcast is put out. But Chase Hughes put this tweet out yesterday. Did you see this about Russell

Westbrook? Did you see it? I don't think so. Okay, I'm going to read it to you, and I want you to give me your immediate response. If I saw it, would you still read it? Let me ask you a question. If I saw it, would you still read it? Yes, but the reason that I wanted to know if you had seen it or read it is I actually want your immediate reaction to it, okay? Chase Hughes yesterday, NBC Sports Washington covers the wizards. I like Chase a lot. He's doing a hell of a job and has been. A scenario told to me from someone whose identity I will protect. Lakers...

Okay, I read this. I read this. Lakers trade Westbrook for Wall, rockets buy Russ, as in Russell Westbrook out. Russ, as in Russell Westbrook, signs with wizards. They're reasoning, Beale, Rui, Rui Hachamara, Gafford, were good with Russ. Wiz had better winning percentage last year.

It's wild, but I made a Photoshop to help you visualize it, and he put Russ back into a wizard's uniform. So when you read this, now that you've remembered what it was that I was talking about, did you think this was a report or just kind of a wild, you know, having a conversation with a friend? I thought it was a wild having a conversation with a friend. scenario. All right. That's what it was. Yeah. I didn't think it was a report, but I tend

to read things pretty closely. You know, as opposed to the rest of the human race. Right. I just look at the pictures. Chase was on with me this morning, and he said, yeah. He was kind of a conversation with somebody, but he said it certainly makes a lot of sense. Because Russell Westbrook, as predicted here, by

the way, a person, as you know, that has always been a huge Russell Westbrook fan, but really last year, and in more recent years, has come to the conclusion you're just never going to win with Russ. It's been a disaster for him in L.A. Can I raise my hand? Can I raise my hand for? You called it.

You called it. Okay. Is that what you wanted? We can move on now. Go ahead. Okay. When he was in Oklahoma City, I thought that you could win with Russell Westbrook.

And, you know, they got close. They got close two years. They, you know, lost in the finals to, you know, the heat. And then they were up three, one on the Warriors to get back to the NBA finals again. He's been a disaster in L.A. And it couldn't happen to a better guy, LeBron, I'm talking about. Because Westbrook is, you know, by, this is the one thing about him that I thought was interesting when he was here last year, is how well-liked he is by his teammates

and how much of a leader he is and how respected he is and what a genuine, authentic person he is. We heard that over and over again from people. And I remember having a long conversation with Tommy Shepard about it, both, I think both on the air and off it. He's like he's just nothing like people believe he is personally. But it's been a disaster in L.A.

I think his heart. I think his heart is always in the right place. I think he's got a good heart. I think that's what it is. But his head is not where it should be when you need it. Right. Can I just do... His head is, I'm going to win this game, and I'm going to drive through these three guys, because I'm the only one can do it.

Yeah, it's painful. I want to mention real quickly as long as we're on everybody's favorite. topic basketball, that the Virginia Duke game last night was spectacular. It was such a great game. And I love watching Tony Bennett coach. And Duke got every call down the stretch and they still lost on a three in which Reese Speakman who made the three for Virginia with 1.1 seconds left to win it at Cameron Indoor. And the last Virginia game against Shoshchewski at Cameron Indoor, he got fouled and they didn't call it. But he made it and they won the game. And it was a high-level college basketball game.

And it makes me jealous. Look, the Big Ten's been awesome, and the venues are great. And Maryland's been in some high-level intense games, you know, since it entered the Big Ten. And I've come to enjoy it, you know, I think much more so than I thought I would originally. I mean, there have been some nights where, you know, they've had big games at Illinois or Purdue or, or, you know, Indiana or Wisconsin or Ohio State. and it's cool, Michigan State. But I still, when I watched last night,

especially in Shoshesvsky's last year, Tommy, you know, I just, I miss it, you know, and I see like two real ACC teams, Virginia and Duke. And I'm like, this is, you know, this is K's last year. Like, Maryland should be on this schedule twice. You know, there should be one last Maryland versus K game at Cameron and one last one up here. And, you know, I don't think he would.

ever admit it publicly. But I bet you that he would love to just have the feeling that they used to have walking in to either Cole or X-Finity. But beyond that, the reason I brought it up, great game. Good win for Virginia too.

They were promoting this series that is airing on the ACC network called The Tournament. A history of ACC men's basketball. but it's a history of the men's ACC basketball tournament.

And it's 10 episodes, and episodes 1 and 2 were last night. I watched episode 1. I will watch episode 2. I guess there are two episodes each week right through the beginning of the ACC tournament. Totaling 10. And look, for me, I mean, the ACC, The NFC East and the ACC are part of my, you know, sports rooting DNA. And the ACC tournament for a lot of us was one of the highlights of the year.

It was a big deal. I've been to like 10 of them. It was the tournament. You know this time, even though that you're not a big, you know, college hoops guy or anything. You know that the ACC tournament was one of the best. biggest jewels in the sport. I mean, in some ways, for many years, it was nearly as big as the NCAA tournament. And some of the games that have been played and some of what's, you know, I mean, the first episode started essentially with, you know, kind of how the ACC came about

and eventually how the tournament came about. And Everett Case was the coach of NC State in the 50s and 60s. And I've heard that name many, many times over the years. I did not understand the impact he had. And essentially he is the guy responsible for the ACC tournament and ACC basketball being big. And the first person to talk about Everett case's significance to the conference is, well, you know, I don't know. Lefty. Oh, yeah, lefty. Yeah. So Lefty was on there talking about, he said, Everett case is the reason, you know, every case is the reason the ACC became anything.

Why basketball became big in the South. It was all about football. And so it pleased me to no end early here in episode one that Maryland wasn't going to be excluded somehow or minimized in this series. It can't be. I mean, Maryland was a huge part of the league and of the ACC tournament itself. And the episode that airs this coming Monday, it's episode four, and it's called 1973, 1974, was maybe one of the most significant seasons in college basketball. ball history because Maryland played NC State in the ACC tournament final. I think many of you know this story. I'm not going to go on and on about it, but it's widely considered one of the

greatest, if not the greatest college games ever played. It was between number one NC State and number three Maryland, and only the winner went to the NCAA tournament. The loser went home. and Maryland lost a classic 103 to 100, and they were left out, and NC State went on to win the national championship. They beat UCLA in the semifinals, and they beat Marquette in the final, Al McGuire's Marquette team in the final, and Maryland got left home. Well, the NCAA tournament at that point said, well, enough is enough. I mean, Maryland would have had a chance to win the national championship. They certainly would have been in the final four, and they didn't even go to the tournament. so they expanded the tournament and allowed more than one team from each league to get in,

the at large bid opportunity was born, and they called it the Maryland rule because of that. And that was a very significant moment in time in the explosion of college basketball and of the NCAA tournament in particular because it was only like 25 teams and then the 32 teams and then to 48 teams, and it didn't become the full 64 team bracket until 1985. But a lot of these moments, and a lot of them coming out of the ACC, in particular, are the moments that changed, you know, and brought college basketball to the forefront because you're old enough to remember when it was essentially just UCLA. And then the NIT became a big deal because everybody knew UCLA was going to win the NCAA tournament.

Absolutely. the NIT was a big deal in my early days of watching college basketball. I don't think there was any stretch of college basketball better than the 1980s, ACC, and Big East. I think that that was the best, you know, everybody was staying four years, very few were leaving early, and if they left early, it was after three years. but you know Patrick Ewing stayed four years, Ralph Sampson stayed four years, Len Baez stayed four years.

You know, as you got into the late 80s and into the early 90s, Christian Leitner stayed four years. So, you know, it was just a different sport where you grew with the players, you grew with the teams. The coaches in the programs were still kind of the stars, but the players, you knew them, and you watch them grow. And the talent, I mean, on any given night in the ACC, in the mid-80s. I mean, it was, you know, Jordan against bias. It was just the, you know, Mark Price and Kenny Smith.

It was unbelievable what you had night in and night out in that league. And the Big East at the same time, which was a, you know, very young league, was blowing up with Georgetown, with Villanova, with St. John's, with Syracuse, you know, and all the teams. teams out of the Big East, and it was the heyday, I think, for college basketball. It was blowing up in markets that typically didn't watch college basketball. Like New York. New York. And Philadelphia. Philly did.

Philly was always, yeah, yeah. It was blowing, and Boston College was part of the Big East as well. You know? So, yeah, I mean, the Big East, I mean, because of their geography, had that huge impact on college. basketball. Yeah, it was big. I mean, Gary Williams is, you know, Gary Williams was coaching BC in the early days of the Big East. And by the way, coaching them to, you know, sweet 16s and elite eights. And, uh, but that was the heyday. So I'm, I'm looking forward to this. I think for any ACC basketball fan, like I can tell you that last night's episode one was so well done. It was well produced. It was well done. It was informative. It was fast moving. So I'm looking forward to watching this.

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It keeps you a much better chance of living. You know what? If that's a fudge, then I'll live with that fudge. That's it. Well, wait a minute. A vaccination, getting vaccinated initially was, you know, something that was good for mankind. We're trying to eradicate COVID-19. We're trying to eradicate a disease.

And history tells us that more times than not, if you've got the right vaccine and enough people take it, it can eradicate the disease. And this was your position, that people weren't doing what was right for mankind. therefore, you know, they were selfish, right? And my position has not changed because the spread of the disease. But that's not what the vaccination is doing. It's not eradicating the disease. That's not true. You're operating on eradicating.

And I'm saying the vaccine helps reduce the spread. It does help reduce the spread, but not by anywhere near what they told us it would do at the beginning. your chances of getting COVID-19 if you're vaccinated and boosted are less than if you weren't vaccinated and boosted. But the real benefit of the vaccine is as a therapeutic. Well, if you think he's an asshole because he was disingenuous and he lied to the media about being immunized versus vaccinated, that's one thing. But I think your position that people can't have or be curious or question, you know, a vaccination that was, you know, put together pretty quickly and have some questions about it, I think is a ridiculous position to have. Ridiculous.

Well, that's- To cancel somebody because of that. Okay. Because you've kind of been, you've already been proven wrong to a certain degree. No, no, you're the one who's wrong about my position. I didn't say the vaccine was going to eradicate COVID. I wouldn't be. No, I didn't.

Yes, you did. I said the vaccine would stop the spread. You said that it was self- You said, okay, hold on. Let me backtrack a tiny bit. Your position was that anybody that doesn't get vaccinated is selfish. We're trying to eradicate a disease and the health people. You keep using this word.

Well, then why would they... Well, then why would they be selfish if they didn't take it? What was the point of taking it? Well, because if more people took it, the vaccine, the spread of disease would not be as great, and more people would not be at risk. Okay. I mean, these are simple things, Kevin. I mean, I don't understand why you don't understand such simple elementary things.

Well, I do understand very elementary things. I understand that for you to suggest that somebody's being super selfish because they're curious about the vaccination. And they may have, by the way, in many cases, legitimate reasons for not taking it, by the way, I think is, you know, it's cancel culture. I mean, you're canceling him. You're canceling him. Yeah, I am. I am canceling that. Well, you canceled your insurance because of me.

So let me ask you, what kind of. What kind of insurance did you get? What kind of insurance? What did you switch your insurance to? Well, I'm not going to tell you who I went to. Well, did you find out that it turned out. Did you find out and make sure that all of their spokespeople are vaccinated? No, you see, that's a bullshit argument, okay? That's like the steroid argument in all fame. I don't need to know about all the insurance companies. I just know about this one. All right. Okay, fair enough. But, you know, I think. And actually, by actually, because I did this, I saved $300 on my insurance for the year. Really? I had, I never shopped around really before.

Awesome. So I saved $300. Well, maybe you can take that $300 and put it to some sort of research for, you know, some disease that you're concerned about. Maybe I should put it to a re-education program for you. Well, I don't need a re-education program. There isn't one thing that I've stated that's incorrect. The vaccination has become a therapeutic. And by the way, I'm, I'm, pro vaccine, as you know. I'm vaccinated and I'm boosted. And every single person in my life, I recommend it highly to because it significantly reduces your chance of getting sick. By the way, as losing weight and being healthy and not being over the age of 80 does too. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, that's a good argument. Well, it's not an argument. It's just a, it's just a fact. It's just a fact.

One is a needle and one it, oh, this is bullshit. What is the needle and the other is a change in life. style. Which one is easier? Well, no, no, no. Hold on for a second. They're both right. What I said isn't wrong. No, the significant majority of people who have gotten sick or died or been hospitalized are older people or people who aren't healthy. Okay, so I'm not saying that getting the shot doesn't increase or, you know, decrease the possibility of getting sick regardless of the condition you're in.

That's exactly why I would... But you compared it to losing weight or eating better. No, I didn't compare it. I added that your risk factors of being at a certain age, you know, obviously over 65 years old, or not being in shape, being unhealthy as a significant risk factor with COVID. You don't disagree with that, do you? But that's not what you said.

You put it in the same comparison of losing weight and eating healthy. I added it. All of those things are important. I was curious why you added it. I was curious why you added it. I'm not saying it's not legitimate. I'm trying to go through your word list here. That's all we need to do.

You admit that it's legitimate. That's all I need. And that was the only point I was making. Because again, because, again, yeah, it's a lot easier to get a poke in the arm. than it is to lose 50 pounds or 40 pounds. Listen, and by the way, let me pass on my state farm insurance, man, and you can buy state farm now. I just think, you know, for somebody who really does like you and care about you,

even though we have lots of disagreements, I just think for somebody that's as bright as you are, the reason for canceling your state farm insurance should be more about Aaron Rod. not being truthful and being a little bit disingenuous, more so than not being vaccinated. That's all. That's my opinion. And I think that the number one reason that you don't have State Farm is because he's not vaccinated. And I would ask you why it took you so long. What took you so long to cancel it?

State Farm. Well, because I thought State Farm was going to come to their census and eventually drop him. Oh, you do. Yes, I did. Do you think it's been close to them dropping him? I have no idea. I don't know. I haven't followed it. I'll bet his appearance on the Pat McAvey podcast probably brought him real close. Yeah, I mean, look, I think he is, you know, I think for somebody like Aaron Rogers, he is, you know, entered into parts of conversations where I don't think he's completely 100% informed. and it's made, I think, an innately very bright person,

not seem super smart at times, but I'll just net out my feeling about the vaccine. And I think we've already talked about this. I wish in many ways, and I don't get mad at anybody, data changes, and medical people's opinions should change based on the most recent data. And they've been wrong a lot from the very beginning. But in hindsight, not that you could have hindsight on something like this, wouldn't it have been great just to say, hey, we've got this shot that if you take it, you're not going to die.

Rather than labeling it as a vaccine, label it as a true therapeutic, which is exactly really what it is more so than it is a vaccine. And I think more people would have taken it. Because I think just labeling it as a... Maybe more people would have taken it. But we're talking about the lower end of the population here in terms of intelligence. I think it's not an intelligence. It's an accessibility thing. It's certainly an accessibility thing.

It is a, well, I mean, you've got young black men, I think are right now the number one, or at least as of a couple of months ago. I haven't followed this recently. in terms of the category of the most unvaccinated. You have what everybody believes to be the runaway number one, which is all the MAGA hat wearing Trumpers. And these groups of people have one thing in common more than anything else. They are distrustful of the government.

And I think that's a big part of this thing. And I think if it wasn't labeled as a government, you know, sort of figured out vaccine, and it was more of, you know, hey, take this shot. you're not going to get sick. You're not going to die of COVID. Many more people would be vaccinated. But that's, as Steve Spurrier would say, Hans-Tite's 50-50. You can't go back and do that because when they, you know, when they introduced it, they thought it was going to stop people from getting COVID. I mean, 95% efficacy rates, right? With the Moderna and with the Pfizer, 75% with the J&J. Well, it didn't turn out to be that way. But whatever. Right. I mean, you know.

Okay. At this point, you know what's funny? Six months ago, I didn't know that many people who had gotten COVID. Now, I don't know that I know anybody that, I'm not sure if I know anybody that hasn't gotten it except for you. Okay. Very few people do I know that haven't gotten it. Now, it's the Ammocron primarily, which was obviously not as threatening as Delta. Yeah.

Anything. Do you think Washington's next quarterback is vaccinated? I don't know. I don't know. I would guess he is, but I bet you it depends on what his wife tells him is the right move. Because I think isn't that kind of why Beal wasn't vaccinated earlier on, or am I miss speaking here? Was it his wife who didn't want him vaccinated? That has been reasonable conjecture since she spoke out when Hank Aaron died and said he died because of the vaccine. Oh Which Hank Aaron's wife said, no, that's not why he died

Well, he is, Beal is vaccinated right now, right? He did get vaccinated. Yes, he is. Yeah. So he started winning, so he got vaccinated. Right, so he's not on your list anymore, which is nice. What about people that wait to get vaccinated and need more information? Are they, I mean, they're on the list to begin with, but do you take them off the list once they get vaccinated,

even though it was late and they put a lot of people at risk in the process? Yeah, better late than never. Better late than never, okay. C.J. McCollum going to the Pelicans as NBA trade talk heats up here. I'm just looking at ESPN. You're not going to talk NBA again, aren't? I'm not, I promise. Okay, so what do you want to, you know, I think I told you, or maybe I didn't.

So what I had over the weekend and then I stated very, very clearly on the radio show and the podcast yesterday is I learned from two very good sources that Russell Wilson would not be against a trade to D.C. I even believe, and I'm not reporting this, but it wouldn't surprise me if he was poking around various D.C. related people to find out more about what the organization is like. It's a good thing he didn't ask you about what the organization is like. But, or me, for that matter. Fair enough. Fair enough. I mean, I do remember telling somebody who was going to come work for the radio station when it was owned by, you know, Red Zebra, which was owned by Dan Snyder.

Yeah, we don't really, you know, we don't really know what's going to happen here. Just you might want to consider renting before you buy. They didn't take that advice from me. But anyway, I did also yesterday on the podcast, and I said today, I'm like, look, I don't know why Seattle would trade them. I think if there were a list this year, remember Russell Wilson provided a list last year of the teams that he wouldn't mind being traded to. I think if there were a list this year, D.C. might, you know, Washington might be on the list. I don't think, I don't know if it would be number one on the list. but I just don't really see Seattle trading Russell Wilson.

And if they do trade them, I think the emphasis would be to trade them to an AFC team. So I certainly didn't predict as many of you reached out to me on Twitter to say, so do you think they need to add another receiver? Now that they've got Russ and Terry, I mean, literally, I couldn't believe how many people think that actually said Russell Wilson's on the verge of being traded to D.C. No, I did not. I did not report that. I just think the significance of it, Tommy, is that we talk all the time. Why would anybody want to come here? Why would Aaron Rogers want to come here? Why would Russell Wilson want to come here? And to learn that a player of Russell Wilson's caliber, if he were to be on the trade block, wouldn't dismiss and take D.C.

off the list is encouraging. Well, I can't, you know what? You have to look. for small victories where you can find them. And somebody who doesn't laugh in your face at the idea of coming to play for this team, I guess it's a small victory. It's, well, I mean, as we've talked, but let's be serious here for a moment, and I understand that. And I understand that. Just somebody not just dismissing Washington because it's a bottom feeder, you know,

okay, we won something. But, you know, there are some reasons why D.C. might make sense for Russell Wilson. And I forget if I mentioned these yesterday on the podcast, but it doesn't matter. I didn't get to talk to Tommy about him. First of all, let me just go through this. I don't think that Seattle will trade them, and I think if they do, the emphasis would be to trade them to an AFC team. That's number one. Number two is this.

let's just say that he has some say-so in where he goes. And he and his wife, his beautiful wife, Sierra, and the Hollywood couple that they've become. Well, L.A. is not a possibility. You know, Justin Herbert plays for the Chargers and Matt Stafford plays for the ramps. So Los Angeles is not a possibility. You know, nowhere in California is a possibility. San Francisco is not a possibility because they traded up to draft Tray Lance last year. Now you could say, well, would you rather have Russell Wilson if you're Kyle Shanahan or Trey Lance?

So I'd rather have Russell Wilson. I understand that. I just think that Trey Lance is a pretty good bet on what they're going to be moving forward with. Then you go to New York. Okay. No L.A., no California. What about New York? You know, where they, you know, I'm talking about they want to move to a place other than Seattle.

Let's just say that's part of the conversation here. Well, the Jets drafted Zach Wilson last year, number two overall. two or three, whatever it was. And the Giants, I mean, there is a belief from Brian Dayball in Daniel Jones. There's certainly a belief from the Maras. Now, if I'm a Giants fan and Russell Wilson becomes available, given that I've got significant draft capital, I am going hard after Russell Wilson.

Because they actually have some talent, and they're pretty, you know, they've got some talent on both sides of the ball. They had bad coaching, and they had a quarterback that was not very good, and then, by the way, didn't play much. you know, was hurt a lot of the year. But it sounds like the Giants aren't moving in that direction. So now what do you think of? Okay, you know, they want to be on either coast.

West Coast, East Coast. There isn't an option on the West Coast other than Seattle. Then you get to the East Coast. Well, you know what D.C. is? D.C. is a 40-minute private jet ride to New York City. It's not, you know, six, it's not five and a half hours. And, by the way, from Seattle to L.A. is three hours. So if they want to spend a lot of their first,

time, especially his wife in New York and L.A.? Well, D.C. is a lot closer to New York than Seattle is to L.A. or New York. And, you know, he's from Richmond, and Washington has, you know, the ability in a terrible division, you know, at least on paper, for him to come in right away and have a significant impact. So I think there are football reasons why, and geographic reasons why it might make sense. Somebody tweeted me and said, you do realize that they wouldn't look at D.C. like they'd look at New York or L.A. Of course, I get it. Okay.

DC for New Yorkers. I think you're leaving a city out, though. Philly. I think you're leaving a high-profile city out in terms of glitz and glamour, and that's Miami. Oh, I thought you were going to say Vegas. No, Miami. Yeah. Who just hired Mike McDaniel to be their head coach.

Right. A creative, innovative offensive mind. Right. To be their head coach. Now, they may have an owner who's a lunatic and who's in trouble, but Miami is a high-profile town that I think would suit the lifestyle of the Wilson's. Do you remember meeting Mike McDaniel? Did I already talk to you about this or not?

No. You don't remember meeting him? It was at Redskin Park. He popped in. I thought it was both you and me. It could have been just me. It was the studio to the left when you walked in the front door at Redskin Park, our studio, 980 studio. And he popped in one day.

I don't remember. Yeah. And I ended up having like a 20-minute conversation with him. And I just remember going, oh, my God, he is bright and he's also a bit quirky, but he's really bright. Because he listened to our show. Mike did, too. Mike liked the show, too. But anyway, the Miami thing, you know, I did not consider Miami.

And not to mention that it's the AFC, you know, and look, two is under, he's on a rookie deal. So there's that too. So that's an interesting situation. You know, Miami doesn't have a lot of offensive talent necessarily. And that's why I think sometimes you look at two and it's like, Jesus, I mean, and by the way, Miami's got a phenomenal, a phenomenal cap situation for 2022 as well. Hmm. Yeah. That's an interesting one I didn't think about.

But anyway, I still think ultimately it's like there's more of an emphasis now than ever. that, wait a minute, I have one of these guys. I have one of these elite guys. What am I going to do if I don't have him? If I don't have him... Especially if you're Pete Carroll and you're staying on the coach. Are you staying on to break in somebody new? I don't think so.

No, I mean, I don't think Pete Carroll comes back for a rebuild. But, so, no, I think you're 100% right there. I think that's one of the reasons initially. I'm like, well, why would they have brought back everybody if they were going to deal Russ? But, you know, Russ wanted to be dealt last year. And so the question arises, well, why does Russ want out? And I don't know the answer to that. I mean, I have a few theories.

I think that, you know, it's very possible. And remember Russ last year on the Dan Patrick's show, and this got it all kicked off, you know, complained about the fact that, you know, he wanted to have more of a say. You know, he wanted to be more of the focus like Patrick Mahomes was. You know, he's been sacked a hell of a lot over the course of his career. You know, a lot of sacks are on the quarterback, but they haven't had the best of offensive lines. You know, in Metcalf and Lockett, he's got some pretty decent weapons,

and Rashad Penny really came on at the end of last year. But I think it goes beyond that. I think that Russell Wilson and Pete Carroll, like there have been some, Some people in the Seattle media that have suggested that that relationship isn't the best and that, you know, maybe they've tired of each other. And maybe, you know, Russ is tired of the organization and, you know, they've tired of him. I think, you know, the more you read about Russ, you realize, you know, what a great player he is, we understand. But that he's like, you know, everybody's best friend, you know, he isn't the, you know, he's not the guy, the guy's guy in the locker room. he's a bit of a Hollywood type now.

I mean, he is that kind of a guy. And I can only tell you this. If he came here, Washington would be a lot better for the next five years. It doesn't matter what they would give up. I mean, you know, there's a point. But, you know, if it's three firsts or two first, whatever, they'd be a lot better. They'd be winning 9, 10, 11 games a year.

They would be in the playoffs more times than not. And when they got to the playoffs, they would have to, one of those quarterbacks that would give you a really good chance of advancing. I still think if Aaron Rogers were the quarterback, that that's a totally different situation for the next three years, that you're an immediate Super Bowl contender, an immediate NFC championship contender. And with Rush, you're an immediate NFC East division contender and a playoff team, and you're going to have a chance to win 10, 11, 12 games.

With Aaron Rogers, you're pretty much guaranteed if he's healthy and plays all the games, you're going to win 11 or 12th, you know, and you're going to be seated fairly high and you're going to have a legitimate shot when you get there. And I know he hasn't been back to his Super Bowl in forever, but Wilson's won and four in his five playoff games. But I have noticed that people like are like, yeah, you know, he had his worst year last year. He was hurt all last year, most of last year. He missed three games.

He missed the first games he's ever missed in his entire career. He had a banged up thumb. He played hurt for three or four games. And then when he got healthy, they were pretty good at the end of the year. But what do you think Russell Wilson would provide Washington? How much better would they be really? What would the expectations be for you if Russell Wilson were the quarterback here next year? My expectations would be two more wins.

Two more wins. So nine wins next year. Just two. Yeah. Yeah. So obviously you wouldn't do the deal. deal. I mean, because you're talking about a major... No, I'd rather

draft somebody. You would? Yeah. Okay. I'll tell you what, if I don't have confidence in my front office that they can go find me a quarterback, then what am I in business for? Yeah, but what if they succumbed back to you with confidence and say to you, none of these quarterbacks are worth

drafting? None of them. Oh, then I'd have to reevaluate my business. position. Yeah, but it's not going to change your position that he's only worth two more wins. Yeah, but I've got to do something. I can't go into the season with Taylor Heineke or or Mitch Trubisky as the quarterback next year. I know the team president, Jason Wright, has crowed about what a fantastic fan experience ghost town field is these days. But there'll be Can people understand if you don't do something at quarterback? Yeah.

You know, boy, we got to have a conversation about this on Thursday, by the way. We'll talk some Super Bowl. But on Thursday, it will have been a week since the name change. And, God, man, I'm more surprised. I'm not surprised that people have had the reaction that they've had, but I think it's even more. pronounced, I guess is the way I would say it, than I even thought it would be. Look, on the quarterback front, Albert Breer and his SI column, and I'm looking for the quote,

and I can't find it, so I'll paraphrase it. Essentially, you know, in quoting a NFL talent exec, said none of these guys, here it is, hold on for a second. basically that Mac Jones none of these guys would have gotten picked ahead of Mac Jones last year that Mac Jones would be the number one quarterback in this draft and he's talking about from the evaluation last year

I mean Mac Jones did a nice job but you know and by the way I don't I don't know what that's even worth these quarterback things even the best of talent evaluators don't know sometimes yeah go ahead the guy the guy we're arguing about was drafted in the third round. I know. Okay.

But he's the exception rule. Okay. But he's specifically the guy we're talking about, and the team that drafted him in a third round went out inside a quarterback to beat her starter. Yeah, Matt. You're talking about Seattle with Matt Flynn. Yes.

Yeah. Yes. Yeah. And you know what? That's one of those things, by the way, in hindsight. And I'm sure people, I mean, I think we've talked about it before. But, you know, they went out and paid Matt Flynn all that money in 2012 in the offseason, and then they drafted Russell Wilson in the third round.

And Pete Carroll was like, uh-uh, this is the guy. We're not even waiting. And he started him in the opener. Like, it wasn't even close. I mean, that's big balls, by the way. You know, to go back to your, you know, your owner who was, you know, at the time, the Microsoft guy, not Paul Allen. Paul Allen, thank you. Paul Allen.

To go back to Paul Allen and say, Hey, I know we spent all this money on Matt Flynn, but this other guy's just much better. This is who we're going to play and we're going to be really good. And, you know, if he had been there in the fourth round, where Washington picked, I know. Washington wouldn't have taken Kirk Cousins. They would have taken Russell Wilson. I know.

One of those one of the stories. You really only think that they go nine and eight next year if Russell Wilson's a quarterback? I think it's worth two wins. Okay. I think we're going to find out next year that this defense is exactly what they were this year. I'll tell you what, one of the big stories that isn't going to get talked a lot about until the quarterback thing is solved is Chey Shang. You know, his health, how he's coming back from a torn ACL. And then, you know, is he going to be somebody that the defensive staff can work with and get the most out of the incredible talent that he's.

has. By the way, back to your point about they've got to do something. They do have to do something. And this is why Ron Rivera, when he was asked by J.P. Finley about so, a quarterback, I guess, is going to be a big topic. And he said, dude, he called him dude and said, that's the understatement, laughing. Look, I don't know if it's Ron that's come to this conclusion or it's Ron with some help from Dan, but they've made it very clear. They're going big, you know, in this offseason for a quarterback. So knowing that, you start with Aaron Rogers, Russell Wilson, and Deshawn Watson. I don't know what the situation with Deshawn Watson is. I have no idea whether or not he's on the board or off the board, so to speak. But they're going big. They're going to take a big cut.

And there's no, at this point, we're not even sure there's a pitcher to throw, you know, Russell Wilson or Aaron Rogers across the plate because they might stay where they are right now. And I would still bet that Russell Wilson stays in Seattle. But yeah, they're going to take a big cut at one of them. That's my guess. Because they have to. You can't roll out commanders and have it, you know, basically,

I mean, it really was a thud. and then all of the branding and all this stuff that, you know, I mean, it's amazing. This was not a popular day last Wednesday. I don't even think that it could have been. If they had nailed it, I'm not even sure it would have been a day that everybody embraced. It was a hard situation. Probably not. But when I say they have to do something next year, if it's not one of the elite guys that we just talked about,

then I think the next best thing is drafting a quarterback. because the unknown, at least, of drafting a young quarterback will excite people to some extent. I totally agree with that. About the only thing I've agreed with you on today, I totally agree with that because the unknown is going to be a hell of a lot more exciting than Mitch Trubesky. It's just not even close. The unknown is going to be a lot more exciting than even Jimmy Garapolo. You know, it's just if they draft Malik Willis, who is the one guy, guy that everybody talked about has a big ceiling but isn't ready, you know, needs time to sit

behind somebody. And by the way, Tommy, I think they would do both simultaneously. If they miss out on Rogers, Wilson and Watson, which I am predicting that they'll miss out on all three, I hope for my sake and your sake, because I think it'll be better for the podcast, better for my radio show. If there's real legitimate excitement over a star quarter, back, but I think more likely than not that it won't happen. So I think it'll be a combination of Mitch Trubisky and a draft choice. I think that's what it'll be, but it'll be the draft choice that will create the most conversation and the hope among those that even have it, you know, within their being right

now to hope for anything related to this organization. All right, let's talk about. For a few, the proud. Yeah. Let's talk about Kyler Marie and a few other things to finish up the show right after these words from a few of our sponsors. All right, a few odds and ends to finish up the show with Tommy here on this Tuesday. Darren Revelle, the dude that used to do the business for ESPN, I don't know who he does

it for now. Let me see. Oh, he works for the Action Network. He put out this tweet yesterday, top-selling players, NFL jerseys by state, and the top-selling NFL jersey, in particular by team by state. I'll start with that one. Now, this map, I may be missing it. I can't really tell if it has D.C. here or not, but I think it does.

The bottom line is the top selling NFL jerseys by team by state. The state of Maryland, and it looks like D.C. and Virginia, the Ravens, the Ravens jerseys, are the number one sellers. Now, I think the most shocking thing here is Virginia, because Virginia's always been, you know, skins, Washington, and now it's Ravens. By the way, I bet next year it's commanders, just because, you know, even though, you know, it's, they're going to sell a lot of stuff,

you know, just the NFL fans in general that collect these things. But the Ravens, the number one jersey in Virginia, and then the number one player jersey in Maryland, D.C., and Virginia. Lamar Jackson. Oh my God. So by all means, go ahead. Go ahead and build a stadium in Virginia and then raise that white flag and say,

Ravens, you can have Maryland and D.C., I guess. Did you see the Virginia thing that, I guess, yesterday or the day before in the state of Virginia, the Appropriations Committee advanced a bill that would create a Virginia stadium authority, which would include football by like a 14 to 7 vote or something like that. Michael Phillips wrote about it, you know, clearing the way from Virginia. So you're still in, you're, you still believe, right?

You'll update me when you believe that Virginia is a real thing because you don't think it's a real thing right now, correct? No. No, I think the new stadium, if and when it's built, it's going to be right next to the old stadium. Okay. Kyler Murray. This is an interesting story from Barstool yesterday.

Kyler Murray removed all Cardinals-related content from his Instagram and unfollowed the team itself. You know, in this day and age, Tommy, of Instagram and Twitter and unfollowing your own team and stuff, I don't even know what to make of it anymore because I feel like it happens a lot and then nothing necessarily happens afterwards. But why, is there an issue with Kyler Murray in Arizona? I mean, it's like it seems to be the right fit with, you know, his coach and the team. I mean, they went backwards at the end of the year. There's no doubt about that.

But still, I mean, that was a much. improved team, a team that looks like a playoff team or a playoff contender for years to come with the King's very, you know, Kyler-Marie combo. He's in the final year of his rookie contract, and this is probably about money that they want to negotiate a new deal. So he doesn't go in to his fifth year without a long-term deal. So is that what you do now to let them know how serious you are? You scrub all your social media of any link to the team and your employer? Okay.

Yes, I think you do. Where does Kyle Murray fit in on your shopping list? God, I love... He's been really good. I know the last time we saw him was not a good image, but he's been really good. I loved Kyler Murray coming out. That was the Dwayne Haskins draft.

I don't know. It's like every single time I watch Kyla Murray, it's one of two reactions. It's either wow or it's, oh my God, did he just do that? He's so tiny out there. You know, the quarterbacks that always go backwards instead of forwards in the pocket, there's like a concern I think I've always had about those guys since RG3. When RG3 had that disastrous year in 2014 with, you know, Jay Gruden's first year when Jay Gruden called him out in that story on NFL.com, it was like every Cooley film breakdown is like, yeah, he's going backwards. They're creating a pocket and they're blocking this depth level, and then he's going backwards right into where these blockers are moving the defensive players.

all of these sacks are on him. And now, Kyler Murray is a magician in getting out of trouble. Like he's got more of the Michael Vick ability more than the straight line, which was always RG3, kind of straight line vision. And Murray's, you know, got Russell Wilson and Michael Vick kind of vision. And it's amazing to watch him, but I think some of the time is that passing lanes become more of a problem for him. You know, I think that's been the case with Russell Wilson's.

Coolies talked about that at times. I mean, look, if you're asking me, would I take them if Russell Wilson or Aaron Rogers or Deshawn Watson aren't available, and then we're talking about Kyler Murray or Jimmy Garoppolo? Yeah, of course. It would be so exciting to see him. But I don't think I'm as big of a fan of Kyler Murray. as a player as I used to be. I think he's really good.

I don't think he's an elite quarterback. I think he's somewhere like, you know, when you start to get into the 10-plus area in quarterback rankings. But then again, he's still so young. You know, I mean, Josh Allen's different physically, obviously. But we were down on Josh Allen, and I'm not saying I'm down on Kyler Murray. I just think he's very inconsistent. He's very inconsistent.

And maybe that's just the mark of a super young player at this point. But I think right now they're, you know, I think I could name nine, ten quarterbacks that I would take in front of him. I think I could. Kyleor Murray, Kyle and Murray would try to pump the excitement. Yes, he would. He would do it.

He would light the fire. Let me see if I can name that many quarterbacks that I would take in front of him, because I'm actually curious about that, because now I think I've exaggerated that. Josh Allen, yes. Mack Jones, Tua, Jets, no. Joe Burrow, yes.

Lamar Jackson, probably, yes. Yes. Trevor Lawrence, I don't know how to answer that. Mahomes, yes. Herbert, yes. Dack? I don't know. Rogers, yes.

Stafford, yes. Wilson, yes. Those are eight definites, I think. Right. Yeah, I mean, there's no doubt that would, that would, you know, I think they'd try to market him a little bit between now and the first game of next year. Yeah, I think so. I mean, that would get me excited.

having him in town would get me excited. But they have in Kyler Murray, they've got a guy right now contract-wise where you know you pick up the fifth year obviously as a Did they already pick up the fifth year? Where are we on that? Because he was drafted 19, right? Because that's a Dwayne Haskins draft. Right.

So he's drafted. I don't think they've picked it up yet. Yeah. So they're going to have to do that this year. Right. And what's he changed? trying to do, trying to say, you give me the long-term blockbuster deal now. I don't want to play on this rookie deal. Well, I don't know what he's trying to say. That's what I'm guessing he's trying to

say by this social media tantrum. Yeah. Murray's eligible for a contract extension now that he's completed three seasons. He's under contract for one more season. And by the way, the fifth year option for 2023 that would pay him more than $25 million. Sure. Does he want to play $20,000? 2022 under the rookie deal, no. He'd like to get the new deal now. And by the way, they should give him the new deal now. I mean, this is your guy. I would think that, you know, they're bought in. They've got, you know, they got a top 10ish guy. But there were rumblings that the owner was very upset with their playoff performance and that the coach was in trouble. I don't know how valid those reports were, but there were reports.

You know, the funny thing about it, because we had the conversation about Russell Wilson, and we've been having the conversation. They had a game at home against Seattle, out of the playoff, Seattle. Arizona needed to win the game and the Rams needed to lose, and they would have had the division and home field advantage in that first round game. And they got beat 38 to 30 in that game. I mean, they got their ass kicked in that game on the ground in particular. Rashad Penny rushed for 190 yards.

Wilson threw three touchdown passes and outplayed. Miller Murray. And Seattle, which had nothing to play for, won the game 3830 and forced Arizona to go on the road as a wild card team to face the Rams rather than play at home the following week. And they got destroyed by the Rams. They also had that big win at the end. I'm looking at it right now just for memory's sake. They lost four of their final, well, with the playoff game, they lost five of their final six. The one win was at Dallas when You know, they had the fumble that they couldn't challenge because it was before the two-minute warning. And your favorite coach, Mike McCarthy, had already used all of his timeouts. By the way, they got that whole staff coming back. And, I mean, Cowboy fans seem distraught, distraught over it. But, you know. I think Cowboy fans think Mike McCarthy could get fired in the middle of the season.

And then their guy, Dan Quinn, can take over. Yeah, that's probably. right. It's probably right. Look, the bottom line with Arizona, it got ugly without DeAndre Hopkins. You know, that's a rather big, big, missing player from what was a really, really dynamic offense. But he was their best player on offense. So, you know, not having Hopkins for the number of games he missed, and I don't even know how many games it was. It was five or six, I think, that he missed from this season. at least, really did hurt, you know, that team. So there you go.

Yes. What else do you have? Anything else? I got nothing else for you, boss. I have to go check and see what my new homeowner's insurance policy is going to be now. Well, was Liz in favor of doing this? Yes, absolutely. Because of Aaron Rogers.

Yes. You know, I'll be honest with you. I don't think I've ever thought about a product. consuming it or not consuming it based on their ad spokespeople. But, you know, I have. I know you are. You're an activist. Yeah, you're active.

You're much more active than I am. It's your only voice. You're more sensitive than I am, too. I'm a delicate flower. You're an orchid. All right, what else? That's it, I guess. I'm back tomorrow with Chris Cooley.

So Cooley will be on with me tomorrow. We'll preview the Super Bowl. We'll talk about Russell Wilson and the various quarterback stuff. All right, have a good day. We'll talk on Thursday, and we'll do our Super Bowl preview and more, right? Okay, boss, you got it.