The Kevin Sheehan Show - Wizards Take Dybantsa; Schefter On Aiyuk

Episode Date: June 24, 2026

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You don't want it. You don't need it, but you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Sheehan Show. Here's Kevin. Kwamey Brown, John Wall, and now A.J. DeBanza. In the history of the wizard slash bullets, three number one overall picks. Let's hope DeBonsa ends up being the best of the three. The show's presenting sponsors, Windon Nation, 86690 Nation,

Window Nation.com if you need new windows. Jimmy Patsos will join me on the show today. Who the hell knows what we'll end up talking about. The conversation with Jimmy always steers in many unexpected directions, but we will start the conversation by getting his thoughts on DeBanza, number one, to the Wizards. Jimmy's been a part of Monumentals' Wizards coverage for a few years now. By the way, John Wall was an excellent number one overall pick, but still, you'd like a number one pick to eventually be a true superstar, MVP kind of contender, a franchise changer. And John Wall was an unbelievable player. And I think he is on the Mount Rushmore of all-time Wizards Bullets in the history of D.C. My all-time top four wizard slash bullets are Elvin Hayes, West Unseld, Bobby Dandritch, and John Wall.

I've got Wall on that list before Arenas or before Phil Schneer. I think Wall was that good during his time in D.C. But when you pick number one overall, you are hoping to land on the player that leads you and leads the franchise to championship glory. It's going to take a few years to find out if DeBanza was the right pick in this draft. But I'll net it out here to start. I'm excited about DeBanza. Many of you have taken the last few shows and decided to reach out to me to say, why such a DeBanza hater, that's not it at all.

I can like other players more than DeBanza and still be excited about DeBanza because I am. For me, though, he wasn't the best people. pure basketball prospect in the draft. I think Darren Peterson was that. I think Peterson's ceiling is higher than DeBonce's ceiling. I do. I actually think Caleb Wilson has a super high ceiling as well. I'll read to you what a longtime college basketball reporter columnist Jeff Goodman tweeted out last night right before the draft. Here's what he wrote. One NBA GM said to me on Darren Peterson, quote, Peterson's the most talented player

in this draft. That's not a debate. But he's also the most terrifying. I just don't think Washington can roll the dice on him because they can't afford to miss on this pick. Closed quote. So that was Jeff Goodman relaying a conversation

from an NBA GM to him. I believe that that was the majority opinion of NBA front office people, that they would agree with that, that Peterson was no debate, the most talented player in the draft. But Peterson's one season at Kansas raised far too many questions about, you know, desire, about the love he had for the game, all the things related to, does this guy really want to be the best? Does he really want to be a superstar player? And is he going to be

committed to doing what he has to do to reach that level, or is he going to be more concerned with load management and taking care of himself or whatever it was? And we spent a lot of time talking about some of the other things that Darren Peterson could have been dealing with at Kansas. So I get it. I get the concern, and I was very clear on shows earlier this week, to say that there would be so much due diligence required. we don't have the information, but hopefully the Wizards do. Now, Utah didn't hesitate. They jumped right on Darren Peterson at number two.

I think if Peterson had had a normal season at Kansas, without all the smoke, I think he would have been number one last night to Washington. But I also think that, you know, that's not what happened. And if you look at the top three players that were selected, DeBanza, Peterson, and then Camboozer, number three overall. Boozer was said to have the highest floor, meaning the least risky of the three. There was a real belief that Boozer was going to be a good NBA player, but they were concerned about how good.

Peterson had the highest ceiling in terms of the most potential. But the average of those two combined things, you know, highest floor, highest ceiling. You know, those numbers in average probably came out highest as an average of the two for DeBonza. So I get it, you know. By the way, the comps on DeBanza were flying around last night. Tracy McGrady was the name that came up quite a bit. I don't see that at all, personally. I think Tracy McGrady was a more explosive athlete than DeBonza's,

and I know DeBonza tested off the charts, But I watched DeBonza, as many of you did. He's not a super explosive, quick, you know, springy kind of athlete like McGrady was. At least that's the way I would view it. I don't think that's the right comp. How about DeBanza himself? He was asked a very interesting question, and his answer was very interesting for people from our area. Here was A.J. DeBanza answering a question about a comp for him.

himself. Which NBA player aren't you most like, but no one compares you to? Wow, that's a good one. I never got their question before. You want some real bond knowledge? Give it to me. He never played in the NBA, but he got drafted, Len Bias. So I love the fact that A.J. DeBonsa dropped Len Bias on everybody and that he knows

who Lenn Bias is, although I think a lot of people of all ages, especially basketball fans, know who Lenn Bias is, even though it's been a long time. Lenn Bias' highlight reel gets dropped pretty often on social media. Recently, with the 40-year anniversary of his death, I mean, you couldn't miss it if you are, you know, tied in that way from an algorithm standpoint. I mean, I had so many social media videos in my timeline featuring the Lenn Bias years at Maryland. But let me just say that while I love that he knows who Lend Bias is, and it's a big compliment to himself to comp himself to Lend Bias, I don't see it at all. Like I don't see any comparison between the two, and it's not because I think bias would have

been so much better. They're just different players. Bias was not a creator with the ball in his hands. bias was a true forward, a three or even sometimes a power forward, but he would have been a small forward in the NBA. I've made this argument, if you will, many times with people who would say Len bias was going to be the next Michael Jordan. No, he was going to be the next Dominique Wilkins. Jordan was a guard. He was a two guard.

Bias was a forward. Jordan was a much better ball handler than bias was. Bias' one weakness was that he was not a great ball handler. Maybe he would have developed into a better ball handler and been more of a creator. But he is not, he wasn't that kind of player. And I think A.J. DeBonce is. I think A.J. DeBons is very good with the ball in his hands, you know, generating and creating offense. Bias was either dunking on you off a great Aleut pass from Keith Gatlin, which he'd throw to the corner of

the upper, you know, part of the backboard, and Bias's head would literally be level with the rim, or he was posting you up, scoring on a turnaround jump shot or a one hard dribble jump hook or a one hard dribble dunk, or he was at the elbow, or he was in the corner against zone, and he was shooting over you, and he was a great shooter. But DeBonce is more of a creator than bias was in college. I don't see the comp at all. I don't see the Tracy McGrady. comp, to be honest with you, other than maybe some of the physical comparisons, but I think McGrady was just a better athlete. I know DeBonce has tested off the charts, and there is a lot of athleticism. He's not freaky athletic. Somebody called in this morning and said, Paul George. I think

that's actually a good comp. Now, I hope he's more clutch and more available than Paul George. I think stylistically, and I'm not saying that he's going to become this player. But in watching DeBanza this year, there is some similarity in style to Kevin Durant. Now, Durant's taller, but, you know, DeBonce's 6-8-69 with a big wing span. He's really good in the mid-range, either off the dribble or coming, you know, off the ball, off a down screen or off a flare screen. Or, you know, he's very good at using the dribble with the ball in his hands to get to the mid-range. I like his stroke. Kevin Durant's one of the great shooters in the history of the game for somebody that size.

But I actually think DeBonce is going to be a big-time shooter and scorer at the NBA level. I'm not worried about his 33% three-point shooting numbers at BYU. If you go through game by game, he had some very good games from behind the arc. And I'm not talking about like one for one or one for two, but four for five and three for five. and two for fours and three for sixes. He had some good three-point shooting games. You can see he's got a very good stroke. I think in the NBA with not defenses geared towards him primarily,

at least not early on, I think he's going to be a very good three-point shooter. Look, I think he's a good fit for the Wizards. You know, it's Trey Young, and then either Trey Johnson or Kishon George, likely as the two. DeBonsa as the three. maybe it doesn't start off that way. Maybe Kula Bally's in the starting lineup to start. And then hopefully,

AD and Sarr. You know, that's a pretty long and daunting, defensive lineup for sure. I mean, when you put Kula Bally in the game as well. Yeah. I just remember, though, this draft is a crapshoot, just like the NFL is.

I went through with Tommy yesterday and even the day before. Number one doesn't guarantee you anything. It's basically a coin flip in this century in terms of hit or miss. You know, some of the greatest players in the game were drafted in the second round. Jalen Brunson, Nicole Yokic. Janice was a mid-first rounder. Kauai was a mid-first rounder. The list goes on and on.

You know, it's very likely, it's more likely than not, that the best player in this draft wasn't picked number one than he was picked number one. Now, that doesn't matter if he turns into a great player, even if he isn't the best player. I like A.J. DeBanza. I'm excited about A.J. DeBanza. I think there's more anticipation for this upcoming wizard season than there's been in a long time. But I will say this as it relates to early on. Like, if the wizards are going to be good next year, it's going to be because Anthony Davis is good and available. And he plays 60, 65, 70 games. If they're going to make the jump, a big jump from 17 wins to 42 or 43 or 44 wins and playoffs, it's going to be because of Anthony Davis and Trey Young more than anybody else. But really Anthony Davis,

because Cooper Flagg was the best rookie last year and the Mavericks won 26 games. So without Anthony Davis next year, you know, you're going to have, it's going to get lost, no matter what kind of year DeBanza has. It's going to get lost a little bit. some buzz now. I want the buzz to continue. For the buzz to continue, DeBonse's got to develop on a competitive team, and for them to be competitive, Davis has to be available and he's got to play. And then Trey Young's got to be really, really good as well. But those young players to go alongside DeBanza gives you hope for four or five years down the road. But in terms of the immediate future, DeBonse could win

rookie of the year next year and the Wizards could suck. And then he could be really good in year two and they could still suck. I actually really am looking forward to a season and I like what they did by trying to accelerate the competitive part

of this deconstruction reconstruction project. All right. More on this with Jimmy P. coming up with Jimmy Patsos. I wanted to play a piece of sound from Adam Schaefter. This was Schaefter on his podcast, I think, yesterday talking about Brandon Ayyuk.

I think every time he opens his mouth, he damages his standing with other teams. And he scares other teams from bringing him into their organization. And I just think he doesn't realize that he thinks he's helping the situation. I don't believe that to be the case. And speaking to teams, everybody's saying, what's wrong with this guy right now? Like it's unsettling to watch him. It's scary to see how he's handling himself. And by the way, he's still a member of the 49ers organization.

Still, the team that paid him and he's saying go commanders, which clearly is the team that he would like to go play for, being that he played with Jaden Daniels at Arizona State. So we'd like to go rejoin Jaden Daniels in Washington. I haven't asked Washington. I'll have to get him a call. There are thoughts on Sonny Brand and I bring him in. Maybe for all we know, they're planning on doing that and it'll get done.

But I know having spoken to them leading up to the draft, they had some questions at that point in time. And I would imagine they still exist. What I would think happens here is most of the NFL is shut down. They're not in the building. This is the one time that everybody can get away. And I would imagine that when the 49ers get back and reconvene for training camp, right around there, I would think that they wind up releasing Brandon. So when it's Adam Schaefter or Ian Rappaport or the real heavyweight, you know, NFL reporters, you got to listen and you got to take it more seriously than sometimes others that put out information. And I think for me, there are three takeaways from what Schefter said. Number one is that he actually believes, and we've seen others, you know, suggest this, that the 49ers will turn them loose when training camp begins. I'll believe it when I see it, but that would be a much better timeline for any team interested in signing IUC than the end of training camp and right before the regular season begins.

So that was takeaway number one. I tend to put a little bit more stock into Adam reporting that than anybody else has. Number two is, you know, he said, you know, I haven't talked to Washington, asked Washington about their thoughts on signing Brandon Ayyuk. Maybe for all we know, they're planning on doing it, but I know having spoken to them leading up to the draft. And so what he was saying is I haven't really talked to him recently, but leading up to the draft, they had some questions at that point in time, and I would imagine they still exist. You know, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I've said, you know, based on something that Ben Standig, you know, mentioned to me on radio one day, and I thought it was spot on, and that is, if they really wanted this thing to die down in terms of them being linked to Brandon Ayuk, they could leak it to Sheffter. They could leak it to Rapaport. None of that has happened so far. But Shefter said that leading up to the draft, they had some questions about him at that point, and I would imagine they still exist. And that leads me to my third takeaway.

the reason anybody would have questions about them, about him, excuse me, and those questions still exist is what he led with. Every time he opens his mouth, he damages his standing with other teams, and he scares other teams from bringing him into their organization. You know, he, in speaking with team, Schepter said, everybody's saying, what's wrong with this guy right now? It's unsettling to watch him, and it's scary to see how he's handling himself. Yeah, it is.

I mean, it's unsettling. The guy can really play. And George Kittle even said recently, you know, week eight last year, he was hitting 22 miles per hour and stopping on a dime. But the way he has handled himself with these videos has not done himself any favors. We've talked a lot about this,

but the bottom line is, why would you bring attention to how absolutely horrible it was for San Francisco to sign you to the, to the deal that they signed you to. You're bashing them, but you're bashing yourself in the process. And nothing he's done, or certainly most of everything that he has done, hasn't had anything to do with expressing desire to play football again. And talking about how much he wants to move on.

Look, the bottom line here is, if he is going to be involved in getting back into football, he needs to get involved. He needs to show up for trouble. training camp. He needs to do whatever he needs to do to get reinstated. He needs to force the 49ers hand, something that he didn't even attempt to do during OTAs. All right, interesting stuff from Schuster. By the way, before I get to Jimmy Patsos, I mean, what a gut-wrenching loss for the Nats last night. They took an eight-six lead into the ninth and Brad Lord gave it up. And he's been good.

eight runs for the Phillies in the top of the ninth to win the game 14 to 9. Meantime, the Caps made a trade, and I had Joe Beninati on radio with me today, so if you want to hear an expert's thoughts on the trade that the caps made, you can go to the third hour of the radio show today on the team 980.com. Click on my name, my show, and go to hour three, and Joe was my guest to start the show.

I also had Jesse Docherty on the show. Jesse is now writing for that notice, news of the United States. It's a local and national thing, but they've added sports since the Post got out of sports, and he and Dave Shinen and others are writing for it. He did a really interesting story on A.J. DeBonce's father, who is not only AJ's father, but his agent, AJ does not have an actual agent. He's got an interesting father, that's for sure,

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during a lot of those big time years in the 90s and into the 2000s. Jimmy became a head coach at Loyola University and then Sienna. Jimmy's worked for monumental sports as a wizard's analyst on the monumental broadcast over the last few years. He's worked at Under Armour. Jimmy is all around. He's a Renaissance man, to be perfectly honest with you. We usually talk about everything but sports when he visits.

but we're going to focus on the NBA draft and the Wizards here to start, even though I know the conversation will take many twists and turns, as it usually does with you. But I'll just begin by asking, is A.J. DeBanza the guy you wanted? Sure. Look, DeBanza's been, like Cooper flag, a game changer from the last five years. Everybody's waiting for. You know, great guests last night.

John Wall was there. I did a show with Chris Miller last night from Monumental the energy in the city the energy

at Anthem the energy from the wizard's whole organization through Monumental and this is a big thing okay

David Alger was my super guest because love David and knows the league so much you know the first thing

we talked about Larry Bird and Magic Johnson changed the league Michael Jordan already is not the first pick, but still. And then

the Allen Ivers of drafts, and then there's certain things that happen in the sport of basketball. Well, Cooper Flags and A.J. DeMontza have been talked about for so long, Kevin, and that kind of can't miss guys, and

they've always been the top pick. Yeah, Peterson's a good player. Booze is so consistent, and he's a real winner. And Caleb Wilson came out of nowhere to get up to, like, four. None of that matter. This is about AJ DeBounce. He had to take him.

He can't pass on him. He's such a great player. But he's a real talent, generally. But he's also like the guy. And John Wall pointed that out. You know, he was the guy for a long time. And then all of a sudden he went to the elite eight for Kentucky. And he wasn't sure he was going to leave unless he was the one or two pick.

He'd always been stated to be. But Wall's like, this guy has been it. And so you had to take him. It was the right pick. He's tall. He's athletic. He's an alpha guy. He's a very, very energetic guy.

He scored it. He did his work as a freshman at BYU. And he's a Boston kid from Brockton, you know, with the same fantastic hockey school of all places. And need a math. And then he trained, you know, got out on the end of the world. And now, you know, stay at places like that forever. He had to kind of move around on the coast to Utah for two years.

The pick they made, though, has been brewing with 360 lost seasons. You know, they had to come through with this. They got lucky in a way. way that they got Sarr at number two, because I think he's better than a Rieh. And the Hawks are probably going to look back, and Alex Sarr was kind of the guy. And they missed on that the Hawks, and we got lucky. Cooper Flagg was number one, and the Bob's number one. So that's kind of what I'm saying. It was a great pick, but it was the natural pick. But that's what everybody in that building wanted. That's what everybody in Anthem wanted. And now it begins. And it's so

exciting because you have the guy that everybody's waiting for them. We're Bobbed watching and it's so game changing, city changing, you know, NBA landscape for the Wizards changing. It's been a lot of painful losing. So good for Ted and Zach Leonsis, good for Winger and good for Will Dawkins and good for the Wizards. I'm interested in your description of this because I don't you've described it as you know a Cooper Flagg-esque pick. I'm not comparing the two players, and I'm not suggesting that you did either,

but that this was the obvious number one pick. He wasn't. There was a big debate with him in Peterson. Cooper Flagg and Victor Wenbinoa and Zion Williamson, you know, in recent years, they were obvious, no debaters in terms of being the number one overall pick. There was a debate here. The debate was primarily DeBonsa and Peterson. But you think that there really shouldn't have been a debate. And I didn't talk to you before the draft. So I'm assuming that this is what you thought heading into the draft, that this is a no-brainer. It's DeBanza.

You're not even thinking about Peterson. No, DeBonsa's just had more, more, more, he's had more of a rep than Peterson nationwide for longer. Peterson had a great game against him. Peterson's really talented. But after what happened in Kansas, I don't, that, that switches when you're hurt or you decide not to play or you kind of load management yourself. That takes you out of the consideration

to me for the number one like guy. And look, I think Peterson is really talented. And I said it before. Boosers are winner. Booser wins more than both of them and all three of them. Although Caleb Wilson won a lot and that's why you, but Davis doesn't coach anymore because he got hurt. I just did

my world, you know, he played for expressions in Boston. an AAU team, similar to team takeover, similar to teams thrill out of ball 20. These are Compton Magic. There's like groups of teams that are like really 20-year great teams and expressions.

It's a really good team up there. I've just known about AJ as the guy, even more, you know, Peterson came on and sure, he was definitely available. Look, if that's what you want, a plane car, if that's what you want, a better shooter. But he's not as tall as him. And to me,

it's just, it's just, AJ's the name. credit. DePomps up for the last literally three or four years. And yes, Victor was the guy. And by the way, Zion was the guy, but I know. RJ Barrett was close,

and so was John Moran. And Arjay Barrett's the only one that made the playoffs of these three. So there's no guarantees. You know, Victor didn't make the playoffs for two years to obviously what he did this year. Set them apart. And we're going to see what Cooper Flag does as Dusty May goes to coach there. And there's so many things going on. Dallas makes it, you know,

different picks and blah, blah, blah. It's hard to win consistently in the NBA, and that's what David Alders was talking about. I just think that crowd wanted him, the organization, it's been about him. And Peterson, while he's a great talent, and I believe that you write Kevin in this time he can be as good as him. He hasn't been the number one on the board for four or five years, in my opinion. And then the Kansas year, Bill Self's Expressions, which were, you know, not bad. He never said a bad word about him, but he wasn't thrilled. old with them, I don't think.

That's what I mean about it. A.A.A. Just didn't do anything wrong. In fact, he did everything right. And they won. Yeah, they lost to Texas in the first round, but they had the best, the second must be heard. But, like, he made the NCAA and, like, Trey Johnson last year, the fifth pick, he's going to score

for the rest of his life. He's a two-guards. He made the NCAA with Texas and led his team. Like, like, A.G. just kind of did everything right. There's certain ways to do things and not do things that put you in a different category. Pearson is an excellent player and I hope that he does play well I think there is a chance that he could be

the guy in two or three or five years that hey maybe you should have taken him because he's not good but for now I just think the Monson and his whole story and how he has been to me was still the number one and the reason I'm biased about the Cooper flag thing with him

they kind of come in pairs or waves and those two kids were from New England you know a couple years ago hey you got to see these two kids to New England. What's a white guy from Maine named Cooper Flagg? Yeah, great team. Best player ever thought of Maine since Nick Canaan and Medley. And I'm like, wow, we recruited Nick at Maryland. And then

from Brockton, which is, you know, where Rocky Marciano, Marvin Hagler, and Greg McBerterrey and all these great players are from, and he goes to St. Sebastian's and Need him. Those two guys kind of came out like it was kind of interesting to circle in the Wingsham region. Here's where the next two kids are coming from. I just

thought he had more of a folk war image longer than Peterson. That's kind of I meant. He was the guy they talked about like the gunslinger, the Jesse James, like, oh, you've got to see this guy, he's the next one. Just like the guy over in France was, which turned out to be Victor. I just had AJ as that guy. And I just think the city kind of walking into the Wharf, which was just on fire yesterday,

and the anthem and the energy. It was about him. That's who that crowd wanted to. That's kind of what I meant. This is what they've been building towards, and that's who they wanted, and they got him. Right. Well, you know what they say once, coaches start listening to the fans. They'll join them soon. By the way, I don't mind the pick either. You know, perspective is everything in life.

And the way you're describing A.J. DeBanza is your perspective based on being in the sport and knowing A.J. DeBonsa for all of these years. I was listening to, I think it may have been Jay Williams on ESPN, you know, earlier this week, talk about Darren Peterson. And he said, well, he's never had any of these. throughout his entire career. And I'm thinking to myself, what career? Nobody knows about Darren Peterson's high school career. Most people don't. And that's not a career. He played one year at Kansas. And by the way, Jimmy, I have all of the same concerns about Peterson. I think you and I talked about this a few

months ago during the college basketball season about what's going on. I think it's a very interesting thing. The Ramona Shelburne's story about the creatine is very interesting because it described this emergency room visit that he made in September when he thought he was dying and he spoke to having fear the rest of the season of having that event happened to him again. There could have been a lot of psychological stuff going on there. But I thought that if Darren Peterson had had a normal college season with none of the smoke around his freshman year, that he would have been the easy, number one pick and would have almost been as default as Cooper Flagg was or Victor Wembing. Not at that level, but almost at that level. Do you think I'm right or wrong? Could have gone either way. Same with Bozer. And Bozer got a player of the year and went to the

five, you know, while after five of four because they get upset D.C. by Yukon. But no, I hear what you're saying. But for me, maybe it's just because he was a doing with kid, but AJ's just, he's been, you know, he's been, you know, wait for this guy, can't wait to see this guy, couldn't wait to go see him here, I couldn't wait to go see him there. USA basketball, and Peterson was there too, and the boozers have always been around. There's certain guys, I hear what you're saying, but I just thought AJ, and maybe because he read the league in scoring, and I do agree with you that there was

something that happened in Kansas, and that could have scared him and creatine. I don't know, I was, I was a coach in Maryland during the creatine scares. remember that the first time it came around yeah so well i don't actually i don't actually remember it so why what was the what was there fear that it was no no they just guys were getting stronger yeah that a steroid it's not as creepy and they'd be careful then they weren't sure if they were gonna ban it just right kind of one of those things you know curtis shultz was our strength coach yeah it's okay and doses but not just you have to be careful with it right and then all right look look guys are micromanaged and guys are micromanaged and guys

But to get scared, normal hospital, that's a real thing. And to be in Kansas with his pressure to, you know, with the national title

and everything, different type of pressure. Maybe, maybe AJ took the path, the smoother pass by going out to Utah prepped a year before, staying out in Utah

where the scrutiny's not quite as much. Yeah, they play in front of 18,000 people, but the Kansas mysticancy, you know, like you have to win that. I mean, Bill Self won the national title in 2022.

I think that some people aren't sure how he's doing. Well, yeah, it's all been to 16 and 16 and 16. and six years. And that happens to be the year he won it. They want to win the whole thing there. It's interesting. Peterson just, he can score the ball and he can pass the ball, and he's probably a much better shooter than that Boozer, Caleb Wilson for sure, or AJ. The question is, is

AJ's athleticism. He can score in the paint, his faces, but he's got that alpha thing that I think is going to go well with Sox. By the way, they've traded for Tray Young. You know, he can't talking about it until July 6th that Tray Young has been signed. You can't say anything until the league approves it. But Tray Young's on the team, and I liken that to Tony Archibald. That was in Boston. Tiny Archibald had scored

and assisted. He was from Texas Western New York. I'm a pretty good player, you know, like Trey Young, good, but not overwhelming. Until he got to Boston and Larry Bird joined him. Well, Magic had, and I say that because he's the guys that saved the league, Byrd Magic. Magic had not only

Cream, he had Norm Nixon. And Jamal Wilts. And Jamal was. Keith Wilkes, remember who turned into Jamal Woods, who had won a title in 1976 with Rick Barry and Golden State Warriors. 75, yeah. They beat the bullets. They sweat the bullets.

Yeah. Well, nothing. That was I saw the bullets play that year in Boston. Yeah. It was one of those things. Their parents took me to the playoff games. And wow, they looked good at all. So they got swept.

Well, they beat the Celtics in the Eastern Conference finals that year in six. That's right. Yeah. Exactly. And that's when, well, that's when the Celtics said, Georgia White and they had run in 74. So you thought, oh, they're going to go beat this upstart Warriors kind of slash APA team.

Pat Boone, you know, owned the, this is the California team. You know, a sudden Rick Byrie switched teams. And they won for nothing. Well, let me tell you something. Those kind of games and those kind of things were different. Well, Bird and Magic changed the whole thing. Well, Tiny Archibald was there,

and he took advantage of Bird to cement his legacy. Can Tray Young do that? I mean, Trey Young is really good player. He's had, you know, 25 and 9 forever, and not many people do that, but one good run was Atlanta. This could be a chance for Trey Young. And maybe when they had Trey Mell, they don't think they need Peterson.

Like I said, Trey Johnson can really shoot the ball and put a two-car position. Bub's a really solid backup who can start an emergency. But Will Riley is coming on. What a steal he was. I always loved Will Raleigh. Yeah. A felt school in Philadelphia, Canada kid.

Well, Kishon can play too. and then Sarr. So you get all these young guys that can play, and then Trey Young. So maybe they didn't need Peterson at that position quite as much. I don't know that, but when you have Trey Young, who's approved,

you know, he's moving. Can I think Davis play is the only question, Mark, he's a great player? Obviously, won a title with the Lakers, one of the title of Kentucky,

all that kind of stuff. Can he play enough? The rest of them can all play. They're all young, and then is Trey Young going to be that guy? Is he going to be that Norm Nixon? Is he going to be that tiny archibald that says, here. I'm here to help you go. You know, there's always a guy that

those young guys is good as yeah. They need some kind of a veteran. I think this is a real opportunity for Tray Young because he can put together a little run out of his own on the winning side, you know, and kind of change his trajectory as not a bad player. That's not close to what I'm saying. You're a very good player. But to the next level, you know, to the championship type level, to the consistent go to the playoffs and make some real runs for three or four years. And maybe that's why. they didn't want Peterson as well. What's going to? I don't have any insight in. I just talked to Chris Miller and

Westall and all those. But Michael Winger was very good on the show. Before what he said was he had a real calming, a peaceful calming last couple of weeks because they had the one. You know, you got the two, do you want Reese's Shea? I don't even know who they wanted the two. They wanted Alex Sarah all along, but they got the second pick.

Then they had five. They had to wait for all the Domino's to fall, which I think they did, and got the best shooter in the draft in Tray Johnson. The Bob, Kishon, Will Riley, those and just good picks later in the first round. It's done a good job, but now it's time to start winning and time to start competing for real playoffs.

We want to do what... We want to do with the next did, and I don't mean this year. We want to do with the next did four years ago and get in the playoffs and make some runs and develop guys. You guys get better and be feisty every night and have a core group go forward. And it's good that you got Tray Young, who's older, to help them do that. You know, one of my favorite things about having you on

is I just sit here and I just let you talk and I'm writing down notes of things that you're saying because I do want to come back to some of this stuff because it's interesting to me because I know it's also interesting to you, even though it has nothing to do with the draft last night. So a couple of things. Number one, I did not remember that Tiny Archibald was such a big part of those early Bird teams because Maxwell, correct me if I'm wrong, Cornbread Maxwell won the MVP when they won the title in 81, right in Byrd's second year.

Yeah, he did. And he was there. Remember, he led Charlotte to the final four against John McQuarrick. I remember that. Wood's Carolina. Yep. And he, but Tiny was, did, was it, look, they had Tiny Archibon. Yeah. Bill Fitch was no cup of coffee to play for, but Byrd to Gregor. But Bird comes in,

and I say this because I was there, and I say this because they revolutionized the league. I think the league's going through another phase, like the Jordan years. Yeah, no, no, I know what you're saying. Yeah. The Curry years, but obviously Colby and what he and the Lakers were ridiculous. Like, they're looking for that next generation. And Wembe made a big step this year.

But, yeah, you had to have Tiny Archibald. Obviously, Magic was great with what he did, but Kremevite, to me, is still the best player ever in the NBA's cream of Gilchibon. Yeah, you've always. I've always said that. Well, his numbers are crazy and that he won in Milwaukee. But Tiny Archibald had led the league. No, no, no.

... nobody knew who he was, and all of a sudden. Well, they went to the finals, and they went to a conference finals. But that made him a different, a different guy. and the people while he's a champion. Tiny Archibald was certainly a known player. Like I think he started his

career at the old Kansas City team. In the Camper Arena, listen to you. And they were the kings and they ended up moving to Sacramento. But we knew who tiny, I just didn't remember, I remembered Maxwell, obviously

Byrd, Parrish. I remember the big white boy who could shoot threes Chris Ford. Yes, yes ML Carr was probably on that team waving the towel on the bench He was so annoying I got to go on paper that Tiny was the second best player

From Starg Wow, wow I'm going to look that up right now So that's my Trey Young That's what I'm saying Okay Different players though Because Trey Young's more of a score first point guard

I think I mean Tiny could score I know that but Trey Young's really a score first point guard. So was Tiny. Tiny Archibald led the league in scoring and assist. I got, I thought he was more. You're right. I'm looking at, I just pulled up his, oh my God, in Kansas City, he averaged 34 points a game in his third year.

How about that? He finished third in the MVP voting. That's what I'm saying, though, that I didn't, I don't remember a lot about Tiny Archibald's career, but I remember he was a big name. Like, it wasn't like all the sudden. people discovered him when he got to Boston. I just didn't remember him as part of the, you know,

because Magic won it as a rookie, Bird won in his second year. They beat that Rockets team with Robert Reed and Moses Malone and Dunleavy was on that team, I think. Wow, that's so impressive. You remember all that. Well, I mean, I just, I can remember that series. Those games were the, some of those games were taped delayed. They were shown at 1130 Eastern.

turn. See, that's what the young people today don't understand. They don't. No, they have no idea. What those two did, and I say that, Magic and Bird, I just read Jackie McMahon's book about them. They were that different. I think sometimes it's exaggerated, but they were both competitive, but you need someone to help you.

And I kind of know with Tray Young, he's been an all-star. He got a, hey, they went to the conference finals when he beat the sixes in game seven. Kevin Herder was on that team for the Hawks. But, you know, they're kind of quiet. and he puts up numbers, but he's going to have a chance to help this young team is kind of my point. I want to help you. I don't think Utah is not going to make the jump in the limit.

Okay. Memphis is not going to make the jump in my mind. Here's the other thing I wrote down. These guys can make. The Wizards can really make a jump fast. We're going to come back because I do want to just evaluate what the Wizards have here. And you've already started that process and you've really focused in on Trey Young. But the other thing you said that I wrote down is just going through some of the number one overall picks.

And I did this on the show yesterday, I think, leading into the draft. You know, it's a 50-50 proposition, basically. If you go back through the 21st century number one overall picks, especially when they're not the obvious number one, and I don't think A.J. DeBanza was. I think there was a debate over who number one was. it's basically like 14 of the players had excellent careers and 12 of them were absolute, you know, borderline busts. This draft, just like the NFL draft, is a total crapshoot.

But it's even more so in the NBA because there are fewer opportunities, there are fewer players. And by the way, you're drafting these players even younger. They're not physically mature sometimes. They're not mentally mature. But if you go back through just this century, let me give you some of the names of number one overall. Kenyon Martin, Kwame Brown, Bogot, Barney, Odin, Bennett, Wiggins, Ben Simmons, Fultz, Aiton, right in a row, Simmons, Fultz, Aiton, right in a row, followed by Zion, who is hardly lived up to the, you know, billing that he had coming out. Now, the last few years

look promising, you know, starting with Anthony Edwards, followed by Cade Cunningham. I really like Banerro. I think he was worthy of the number one pick. Wembeenbonyama, obviously, Rissachet, no, not at this point, and then flag last year. So the point is, this draft in the moment, just like the NFL draft, we get so jinned up, we get excited, big proclamations are made, but the odds are that it won't work out more than it does work out in terms of an entire draft. I mean, the NFL hit rate for a good draft is like 38%. Like if you hit on 38% of your draft picks, three years after,

the draft, those are contributing players, you did well. The NBA is pretty much a coin flip on drafts, you know, in terms of getting, you know, big-time contributors. Now, I like DeBanza as well. I really liked Peterson the player. I thought that he was the best basketball player, and I actually really liked Caleb Wilson. But anyway, I wanted to, because you love going back and talking about the history as well. If I could play in the time machine, I totally hear what you're saying with Caleb Wilson. There was a moment in January where I thought he was the number one guy. You did.

And they were winning. Yeah, you watch him and how he moves and what he can be like. What a great stat he just gave me. 14 hit and 12 didn't. In this century. Zion, I'm in the shoe business. The numbers that he commanded coming out for his shoe business have not turned him into what you consider a big, hit, so I'm going with you.

And Paolo Bencaro was played at one of our schools, Bishop Odden, Underarmus School in Seattle. And I think he's made the playoffs. He helped Duke one. He did his part. Reese Arsci was never considered remotely like DeBonso. Right, agreed. The Bennett and the folks thing, which was overtayed him, which was a strange thing, because they didn't win in Washington, and I know he's a nice person from the DMP,

nothing against him. So it's interesting, and the Bennett, you know, there are certain guys had health issues, or guys who didn't take care of themselves. You're right, but I would not have guessed 14 good, 12 bad. If you asked me, come to my head, I was going to tell you 18 good, 8 bad. So you outsmarted me there, Kevin. Well, no, I should have asked you in advance because I think that was my expectation going back too. But I knew I've always felt this way about the NBA and the NFL draft.

It is a show. It is a great television show, the NFL draft. particular. But the bottom line is the guys that know that are getting paid millions to make these decisions get more wrong than they get right. It's just very hard. It's very hard. I won't tell you certain GMs that weren't watching Williams play from Santa Clara at the Combine two years ago all sitting there talking about amongst themselves about what kind of pizza they get in Chicago. I'm like, you better watch that guy out there. Sometimes they just go off the ratings. I don't think the box is one of those, but I hear you.

The Zion thing, the Zion thing was about size. It was about keeping in shape. Wait, yep. You know, he went to an interesting place. But, you know, RJ Barrett, who would have thought that he would be, they weren't sure you should take him at third. They're like, can't you find somebody else? He's just okay. Well, at least you've got Toronto to the plus. Look, this. Janus, Kauai, Yokic, I mean, this superstar from this draft is more likely to come down the draft aways rather than in the top, you know, two or three, or

I shouldn't say more likely, as likely. As I will. Look, Curry's the same way. Pick number seven. Yeah, of course. Of course, Jokicianos are different because their second rounders are late first. Well, Yonis was mid, Kauai was mid, Brunson was second round, Yokic second round. The second round. Yolkid's second round. And Yonif was still a gamble at that point. And then Brunson, nobody cared about winning as much as we did. Some people are like,

oh, he can't do this. I like to John Wood, and why you tell me what he can't do. But it's not easy picking first. I think AJ has always been a guy that's going to. He's going to be an all-star in that league. I mean, finish. He is going to be a full-time, really functionalable starter

with a chance to be an all-star. And I think Zion Williamson, if he stayed healthy, could be the same way. I never thought about Calkell folks. I didn't like Bennett. Nobody like Kwong. Only one person in the whole world like Kwamey Brown. didn't work, and he's the greatest player ever, and he got it wrong. Right.

But, like, those weren't, A.J.'s been tested. Yes, there's more guys doing this, but I don't think he misses and he led the country in scoring as a freshman. That big 12 is really a bear, you know, he hunts in there with that. I just think that he's going to be fine and not going to be like that. The Risa Shea thing, Reza Shea went moved way up, just like Kula Bali, because of the French movement. And I like Kula Bali, but he's the ninth pick.

The year before, no one knows his name. Tsar was always on everybody's radar. He was almost a minor league version of Wembe. He was real talented and intriguing and long. But you're so right, Kevin. There is no science, and you can get it wrong. And remember, fair, unfair, this is how it is. And there's a lot of people out there that you've got to get past it.

Remember Lewis Gossett, Jr., an officer, and Jennifer, Before you get to United Airlines, you've got to get through me. You know, there's a lot of things out there to trip you up. Yeah. As they show the two girls coming over, like, in other words, he says there's a lot of things out there to trip you up. I just read something about Deborah Winger. I just read a profile on Deborah Winger. No, great movie options.

I don't know much about her, but I... Well, you know, she was like a massive star during that period, like Urban Cowboy, then Terms of Endearment, then Officer and a Gentleman. And then she stopped. basically she became that Hollywood star who just kept turning stuff down over and over again because she didn't like the scripts some she got right some she got wrong

and then they just forgot about her but she was okay with it very interesting because if she was in that movie and she was an interesting movie with oh god what was it called that was in Connecticut about the girl who goes through a lot to her she had to rehab and all this and she had an action

and she was the mother. But Denver Winger, you think about terms of the endearment, Jack Nicholson, and that urban cowboy. But I'm not sure, gentlemen, what a move. But my point is Lewis Cossett Jr. is that guy out there. There are so many obstacles before where you want to go. And you said it, the NFL is the same way. Baseball is the toughest.

It doesn't matter when you picked in baseball because there's so many of bats. But, and then hockey seems to be a little bit more consistent just because the puck left guys play. But there are misses in the NBA that surprise you. And there are guys that people, passed on for certain reasons. I'm glad the Wizards took who they took. No, I'm a fan. I'm a fan.

I'm a fan. I'm a fan. And he's proven it against men. He's an alpha. He's not a college isn't college anymore. He's an alpha. But these kids are playing against 23 and 24-year-olds for the most part. And you saw the problems. I'll switch to the Maryland Terps later. They had a

problem because their backcourt was really young. Mills stepped up. The other guy kind of didn't. They left Buzz. The pain got hurt. Well, you're playing it's 23 and 24-year-olds. that's what Boozer won. He's a winner. Boozer's going to be a great player. Caleb Wilson was doing it a little inconsistent, got hurt, they were in trouble. Peterson just had his flaws that couldn't get ready to play.

AJ handled it and was double-teamed and he was the best player and didn't have a lot of help. And I like that he didn't have a lot of help and stuck in 25 a game up there. Then the second best player in the team got hurt and he still picked up. And for those you don't know, David Aldridge, a wonderful guy. He's like the general manager of the American University of Eagles. Yeah, he is. I love Dave, DA, but he was so impressed with his big, double-teeth. He loved David Alden.

He goes all the way back like Kevin does to knowing all the players from the 75 bullets, et cetera. But it's like this generational guy comes through the pipeline, and it might be two and three years or three and four years. I'm glad you read off the draft list because that educated me. But this is one of those ones where it was Flagg, and now, yeah, whether you, Peterson is a really good, but, but A.J. is one of those guys, you know, SARS close to one of those guys, and he's just, he's proven to be a winner. He, you know, proven to hit in terms of being able to play and affecting the game and blocking shots and all that stuff.

So you just want him to hit mostly, and I think what you're making a very good point is, is that they're, you know, I'm an optimistic guy. Your point, Kevin, is well taken. You're either going to kind of hit or they're kind of kind of not. Yeah. You know, that's, that's interesting with 14 makes. Well, look, I like everything they've done through the last three years. It just, but the bottom line is in that sport, it doesn't guarantee anything. But I think they've done it. No, but they've done it the right way.

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are the longest shot, odds-wise, to win an NBA title ever. You know, they were absolutely a shocker to be there in the finals, and then the bullets were massive favorites to win that series, and they got swept. And the matchup... Two African-American coaches, Casey Jones... I was just going to say. I mean, it's 1975, and you had two black head coaches,

Al Adels versus Casey Jones. And Al Adels, you can find this game, Jimmy, on YouTube, the fourth game at Capitol Center. Al Adels got tossed from the game in which they won the title when they won the fourth game. Because Mike Reardon was sent out to get Rick Berry and to get him into a fight to try to get him kicked out. It sparked a brawl. Al Adels came off the bench and there was only one man. because Al Adels was a badass. There was only one man on the floor that could calm him down.

And that was Wes Unseld. How about that? West who was, by the way, physically imposing. Oh, yeah. How about that? And Barry, by the way, had to sit out one of those years and not play with the APA merge. That was the ABA. How about that?

When he played for his father, yeah. Al Adels was a tough guy. But the only team I can remember, and I was young, like I said, So my father, you know, we didn't have any money. They brought up to the Boston Guard. Now, remember, you could walk out. How about this? 1975, I guarantee, I remember this.

We took the family wagon in there. You know, I was probably facing out the back with no seatbelt. No seatbelt, yeah. Right. Feet hanging out of the back. Lord knows what the family was the drivers in the past. The condition. Right.

You know, who knows, cigarettes going. I don't know what was going. I guarantee we walked up. bought tickets to the game to the window we went to the window and just bought

tickets to that game that's crazy Kevin Porter amazed oh yeah KP but you know it's funny

I'd say the only other team I can remember in history that was kind of like that was the Cincinnati Reds when they swept four

or remember they beat the 80s yeah 80s that was just the working at the third a 90s 90s and I think Chris Stable

yeah it was 1990 I think Tommy B and Tommy B and Tucker Landing and now so Johnny we were sitting there

talking anybody beat the A's and they swept them. But people don't understand this. There's basketball, 20% of the NBA's not drafted. Kobe Bryant was not the first pick. He wasn't even close to. And by the way, nobody was going to take him at 7, 8, 9. Only Jerry West saw that.

But you're still right, Kevin. It's what you do next and how you act when you, and they're all going to work out like they say they're going to. And they can all say everything they want the interviews. But A.J.'s been who he's been the whole time. But there's been some things. He did leave St. Sebastian. He's been to three or four high schools like,

everybody else. He did go to BYU, but that's not going to Kentucky or Duke or Carolina. He didn't go to one of those, you know, traditional bloops. And yet, there are guys that take away different route. You know, look at that team besides the Illinois guys, okay? O.G. and NUBI goes to Indiana. You know,

there's different ways. In Western Kentucky from Melvin, Mitchell Robinson. Right. And Carolina, he wasn't even the best player on his college team. He was the third best player on his college team. So there is he long. And by by the way, guy I haven't mentioned, I got to go, but guy haven't mentioned

in the legend Champany, who I think can really play and is a winner and it's tough. Right. He's really good.

His brother was on the spurs. Like, this team's going to have a lot of fighting grit. They're going to have to find another big,

you know, but there, with Trey Young, you know, and he seemed to be the model teammate last year while he was,

you know, sitting out, but he was around the team and wearing jerseys and very bald in the community. I think he has something to prove. I think Trey Young

took a person. I don't know this. But Atlanta made the trade and they made a great Rod and C.J. McCollum, and Corey Kistra went down there and they went to the playoffs, and they were up two to one on the next people. I think Trey Young wants to prove to people, hey, they made the wrong trade. They should have believed in me. I don't think there was any bad blood at all. I never heard anything bad, but they kind of said, okay, we're going to take these

guys instead of you. And I like when a guy has something to prove, you know, a guy as good as as Trey Yark has something to prove. I remember him with the Combine, wearing all underarmor stuff, because we used to tell the Combine in Chicago. And yeah, he's a little small, but he can score it, but I like what he has something to prove. I'm happy for the Leontas family, but I'm happy for the fans because they've been through a lot, and I've been down there for three years. I mean, I've been there 70s doing games, but me, Chris Miller and True Good and and Glenn Contour and all these guys, and you have to get ready to do the game.

It's been, it's been hard to do what you've been doing, and you've been doing, you guys have been doing it well. We won't make the play out. Well, we love it, but you know you're not making the playoffs. Right. And it's one of those things where now you want to make the playoffs. hey, we have a chance to make the playoffs. I want to win a playoffs too.

John Wall talked about it. You know, last night how, you know, not only yet Bradley Beal, but all of a sudden he came and it was, this isn't just going to be this way after his first year. They got another pick. Yeah. You know, they went to the playoffs three years in a row.

Yes, they just lost up to seven. They just couldn't make the next hurt, the next jump. But let's get back to the playoffs. Let's get back to having the fun in front of flow crowds. Let's go back to see in our team. But we have so many young guys. I am so excited for that. It's going to take, yes, there's going to be different guys of the team in probably three months

because they're going to have to make some moves. They have a lot of draft capital plus players, and they're going to see who's going to play where and who has to start and all that. I have no idea. I'm just saying because they need another big. You know, hopefully Anthony Davis can play the way he is. But I'm so excited for the possibilities what's going to be out there. But every game is going to be played to win to make the playoffs.

And it's not to say they weren't trying to win, but the formula wasn't there. They just didn't have enough pieces. No, this is the important part is that now you get development while trying to win. While trying to win. And by the way, the opponents coming into the building knowing you're trying to win because it's just completely different. Winger, not Winger.

Dawkins told me that three weeks ago or a month ago. He said we had to get into a developmental environment that was different to really get these guys tested because trying to win matters. I know you've got to run, but I've got two quick ones for you. Number one is on the draft last night, just give me the player or two that you really liked. Like, you know, after A.J. Peterson, Boozer, and Wilson, give me... You always ask a tough question, but good question. Well, I'm just curious. I know that you had a couple of players that you really liked.

By the way, I love Natea Ment. I think people, Nate Ment's one of those guys if you waited a year or two to go 13. Now he's going to be in Milwaukee. Nate a Ment from right down the road in Virginia is excellent. He's got a lot of Durant, and he's not Kevin Durant. I didn't say that.

I did not face Kevin Duran. He has a lot of Durant in him. He can score it. He's long. He's a little skinny. He's just not quite as tall as him. I think Nate of Mennon is going to be a terrific player. I had him going like five or six and what I wanted.

He just had to be a little patient. be interesting to see if clearly the Warriors are trying to win what we actually land for it. You know, we love Curry. We had them forever. They're aging out quickly. So, like, guys do stuff like that. The Bennett Sturts thing, I think he's really good and it's interesting to watch him.

He might be that awesome backup. I just don't see him as a starter. I thought that was interesting, but O.K.C. wants to continue their run with. He was better than I thought. Like, I look at guys that looked up in person. And so, you know, there's a bunch of stuff that's like, interesting to see who can play right away and who can't. You know, Seenax tough to self-esteem the player.

He's a very tough player at Houston. I think Alex Caravan's interested. I want to Cleveland to keep him, but they sent him to set back to trade to Sacramento. I know they're not allowed to yet. And then all these things kind of go through. I know a Bucca. I know Bucca, Corey.

He was a kid from Nashville to the Hampshire that was going to Harvard three years ago. It's my favorite story. Was that Christian and California? Academy and Under Armour School with the Brewster. He goes to Stanford because Kyle Smith. Now he's 17. Really good player, really energetic.

She led the ACC in scoring. So, like, there's all these kind of stories, Christian Anderson, whose dad played and all of the stuff. But I think... You like a man. You gave me the answer. Nate a Mett from Tennessee. You think you...

Yeah. ...Clemming, Mores Johnson, Ray and Burry right there. That's what's interesting to me, Kevin, is the five to ten young guys who's going to get it right. I think Native men should have been in there. I love that guy. I played for Logan Miller or with the Highland School.

But those are the guys, as much as you said, about the 14 hits and 12 misses, I would like to know, like, it would be really a level you did. I'm going to go, look, like, who hit on 7, who hit on 8, who hit on 9, who hit on 10, and what Kevin said, if he was listening, the 21st century, the 26th, 6th, 14 have made it,

12 didn't. You got to kind of either make it or you didn't, and I think that's an amazing. It's just, it's the number one pick. Yeah, but the best players... I know that. I know that, Kevin, but I'm just saying, your numbers might be favorable. It might be less than 14 and 12, 1 through 10.

Well, they're still supposed to know what they're doing 1 through 10, okay? Oh, yeah. 1 through 10, you're supposed to hit. No, no, no. I don't think they hit it. I would bet you it's 50-50. I would bet you it's 50-50, 1 through 10. And I'm saying, you educate you now, I'm awake.

You've educated me. I'm fired up like... I woke you up. They got big staffs. They go to games. like five through ten those of all young guys that played in college. Like Yaxilandah's different

because he's like 25 years old. Went to Juco, he had him in UAB. Love his story. The Warriors need to win right away. They have powerful blah blah, blah, blah. Five through ten, and you could even throw Caleb Wilson to a arena. Four through ten will be what I want to examine in five years. Who got that completely right and who got

that completely wrong? And we both know that. And people missed on the Somo, and I love to Somo, and I love to Somo, who's going to sign in Minnesota. And I say this a lot, Kevin. loved him in Illinois. Well, I say things because I watch in person. Gary and I go to a lot of games and watch in person. Watch the Michigan.

Watch guys, look at how big they are. Oh, my God, look at how tough there. Oh, my God, he made tough shots with guys on him. You know, like, Keith Wagner was all right. I didn't even think he was the best player on the team. I'm not saying to pick him. He wasn't the best player on the team. Yakutuzan last year from Illinois.

I thought so, too. Yeah. Miami traded them. But, like, that's to me the most interesting part of the draft is the next thing. but I'm sticking with my three years. They're all going to say. I'll tell you what, I'm going to give you right now. I'm going to give you the 2020 draft because it's, well, whatever, six years ago.

Edwards at the top. Edwards at the top hit. James Wiseman, miss. Lamello ball hit. Patrick Williams, no. Isaac Okoro, miss. A congou, kind of a miss. Killian Hayes, miss.

Obie Topin, kind of a miss for top ten. Denny Avdia, pick number nine, hit, and then Jalen Sticks Smith at 10, you know, that's... Because we love him, he gets a barely hit. Right. But Tyrese Halliburton in that draft went 12th. So... I know I loved him from Iowa State. I loved him because he was a Wisconsin kid that drove himself to Iowa State because

Marquette was confident. He begged them to take him and they wouldn't. He'd go three or four times by himself or his dad to Iowa State games. They had to leave tickets like a regular state. recruit. And they finally said, well, we're going to give you a scholarship so you stop bothering us. Tyrese, Tyrese, Mike, picked 21st, Desmond Bain picked 30th. There you go. Well, Desmond Bain, TCU guy, who's another four-year guy.

Yeah. He went to T.C. This is the only big school of office from outside Indianapolis. And this is what makes it fascinating. You know, who's going to be there in a few years? And who isn't. And by the way, James Wiseman, really talented. Didn't think you like the game enough. but OBOP and we're barely going to give him a hit for 1 through 10. Like you said, I think to be a hit, Kevin, you should be a regular starter if you're a top 10 pick.

Yeah. And if you're not a regular starter, you're playing 20 plus minutes, 18 plus minutes a night and contributing. But top 10, you're right. Regular starter, you know, you don't need multiple all-star games, but you've got to be a regular starter for much of your career. And that's just one draft. You could play this game forever.

some good, there's some decent drafts where it's more than half of the top 10, but I think we barely hit on two or three players out of the top 10. All right. My last one, my last one, I had others, but I'm just going to, because the wizards are, you know, I think that the wizards are the sleeping giant. I've always felt that way about the wizards in this market. So I'm a die-hard, lifelong bullets, wizards fan. I'm hoping that it works. I can't believe what free agents don't come here for the record. People like, well, they're not sure they were, I would I've always felt the same way. Great, great place to live, a sleeping giant basketball town.

But, you know, they like state tax-free states. They like good weather. They like history. And the wizards have no history. Because we're talking about essentially the decade in which they were good, and that's now approaching a half century ago. All right, I know you have to go, but I've got to get your thoughts on the Terps and the kind of season you think Buzz Williams and company.

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Mybooky.com promo code. Kevin D.C. We continue with Jimmy P. And I do want you to just give me your thoughts. I know it's only late June and we've got months until the season begins. But Buzz Williams has been busy. He's added a ton from the portal. He's got Pharrell Payne coming back.

He's got Mills coming back. And yet, you know, I look at these all too early, you know, top 25s, all too early, you know, brackatologists. predictions, and the Terps aren't getting that much love. So tell me what you think about the 2026, 2027 Maryland basketball team. So my friend Alan Bubis out there, you're listening, Alan. We love you, Alan.

We love you, Alan. The Terps are going to the NCAA. That's all we'll say, because some people don't think they're going on. Bob is really good. They have some really good freshmen that can play. Just tough, grinded out guys that I saw A in the Capitol Class. like they did the TV and in the New England Prep School League. They've got some guys that can play.

I think Mills is a potential pro, the lefty. But Bob is the difference maker. If pain stays healthy, they can really make it wrong. But buzz on his guys make the NCAA. I think Wagner coming here was a big get. He's really good player. Yeah, Darius Acuff. Who had at IMG?

And Darius Acuff a year ago, that's what I mean. It's not even remotely in the conversation with all these. The B-6, two years ago at IMG, they were getting blown out at the Hall of Fame. and he didn't look good. It wasn't just what Calipari did with him, and Acuff can really score.

Oh, my God. He's one of my favorites to watch this year this last year. Well, he is, yes, unless you're on the wing waiting for him to pass the ball. Well, yeah. Okay, I'm just telling you. He doesn't like guarding either. Remember, too, we've got a 76 team field next year, so it's going to be easier to make the field.

Ah, there's only one team in East League that's going to make it. It's really not that many, okay? So they're going to go to Tucson in the next to trial because if you're something. have a Dayton out west. It's really going to be one team from the power fives and the 8-10 and the Big East probably get another one in, maybe the new PAC 12.

So it's only going to be like, don't expect like 10, well, all Maryland and Georgetown should make it now. They're not picking eight teams from my neighborhood. They're picking one team from each league. And this is the Miami-Bahio rule. They are going to consciously take a team from that mid-major plus league. So that's one.

They're going to be like two of them and each power five So the net of it is you've got the Terps as a tournament team. Terps are in the tournament. They got a lot of good guys. They did better in the portal. Bugs can settle in the second year. I just said, Duffy Mae just left Michigan.

They went from national title. I don't know who they're going to hire it. I don't care. But that's going to mess that team up big time. So you've got a break there. You know, you got a little bit of a break there. I'm sure whoever it is can figure it out later, but they're not going to do what Dusty May did.

And I don't know what those kids are going to do because at the NCPy, The W.A. is all four. When you coach leaves, you can leave. Those nine kids that signed at Michigan might be hit the road. By the way, the number's gone up since April first. They're probably like, good. Now we can go get way more money because there are those teams that will just pay. It's really scary with some long with that.

But I just think that the overall basketball team, GW had a good year. Dwayne Stampton does a chance to win in a thousand. It's going to be really good. But you know who's going to be really good, I think, is Tony Skinn and George Mason and GW. Chris Caputo, like, have a chance to make that next step in the 8th. 10. Can the Hoyas and Ed Cooley turn it around? I like Ed Cooley. I want him to. He's working really hard. They just kind of haven't... Everything that could go wrong has kind of gone wrong for the Hoyas under Ed, and that's not the kind of. He's a really good guy. And I think Buzz

makes the biggest jump of the area, and he goes back to the tournament, which is all you and I want and you have a chance. Well, no, no, no, no, no, you're speaking for me, and I don't want just the tournament. I want to be... I think you've got to be, after what we went through last year, which was the worst season in my lifetime, worst in my lifetime as a Maryland basketball fan, to the point where literally almost disinterested as we got laid into the season. That's never happened before.

Even when we haven't gone to the tournament, we've been in the mix, and we've been on the bubble. Last year was a disaster. Willard's Year 2 and Turs Danny Manning here weren't great. The Turch, Danny Manning here, that's true. That's true. But let me just say that to me,

not just making the tournament. You got to make a big jump. This has got to be a top five, big 10 finish. You got to be no worse than a six-seed. You know, you got to have a legitimate, you know, season. Because it means you had a really, it means you had a good season. No. I'm not.

If you're going to put that out there, then you might as well just say we should make the three-sixth. That's my point. Okay. Then I'll say that. Then I'll say that. My first step is making, my first step is making the tournament. My next step is going to the next weekend.

So you can take next weekend that I want to make the time. Maryland basketball fans, and you didn't grow up this way, you just coached the team. But I'll tell you what I have settled on is what Maryland basketball should be. I'm not a crazy that thinks that we should be in the final four every year. But every five years, four tournament appearances, you should be in a sweet 16 no less than two times. and at least in one of those years, one of those five years, you should be a legitimate final four contender. I think that's reasonable.

Yeah, no, no, no, I'll give you that. I didn't need to be say, like, it's not, it's just, you're either going to like Texas win 11 and, man, micro, and I'm saying if you're a good program, but you're a 60 or 12 seed, if you're any frigging good, you can make the sweet 16. It's winning two games, okay? And one on the hand in to you, sorry.

Well, we were 10. So you got to win one game. Coach harder. you know, whatever. I mean, it's something like that. I'm just saying, if you're in the tournament and you're a 7-8-9 seed, you win your first game, and then, okay, and now being 8-9, it's not easy beating the one seat, but I hear what you're saying, but if you're an 11 seed and you beat the 6, well, you've got to beat the 3,

go beat them once in a while to get to 16. We were 10 in 1994 and beat the 2, UMass. Yeah. That's what I'm saying to you. I know. I know. Tournament first, and then go 3-16. The final fourth thing, then you're going to win. talking about being ranked in the top 12 and 15 or 10.

And I hear you on. I didn't say. That comes next. I just, I want a big, I want a big, legitimate regular season. I don't want too many parameters. You to make the sweet 16 to you. First, let's make the tournament and then make the sweet 16. Okay.

When you make the tournament, you're buying me lunch. You make the sweet 16. I'm taking you to the palm. I just don't want to be 9 and 11, 18, and 14, and playing in a first four game is a 12 versus a 12. That's all. No, no, I totally get that. Okay.

No, no, I get that. And that's not, I get that. I'm just saying, I want to just be a consistently making the tournament. And then, yeah, but you've got to win some games in the tournament like Gary. We went to five Sweet 16, you know. I know that you have to, you have to beat the only in Long-Krooogne-Kroo, whether you have to beat Yamaris, whether you have to beat Xavier, you know, after we beat Wilmington, like just win, hey, it's a two-game tournament to start. When you're two-game tournament, you're in the Sweet-Sixie.

Drew Nicholas, Wilmington. Oh, we love Drew. maybe they'll be back. I'll say this. But Bobba, it's going to be easy. He got that thing like made a man. He's ready to go. He can play.

He might need a little strength, but he knows how to play. And I think Bob, I liked him in the Curry camp. I like them in the, and I've seen him. I know he didn't play much this year for his high school.

Blake still won him. But they get some other guys, but Mills to me is an NBA player that really took a big jump last year. He reminds me of Michael Red from Ohio State. So, like, Mills to me, if he can keep going to, and the way he is.

I know. That's the X Factor for the Terps, and I'm excited, and I'll see it games, and I love your brother, and tell him Cal McCart, you know, all of them is in the third edition.

The third edition is reopening as the O'Crum. I heard they put, like, $5 million into it, and it's reopening as the Oakrum. So, God, live the third dollar. Clear your schedule and call me, and we'll get together, so this can last even longer.

Thank you. You're the man. Bye, Kevin. The one and only, Jimmy Patsos, everybody. Always one of my, favorite conversations. One of these days, we're going to do, you know, a much longer hit because

the one we just did wasn't long enough. That's it for today, back tomorrow with Tommy.