The Kevin Sheehan Show - World Cup Draws 60+ Million View

Episode Date: July 22, 2026

Kevin and Thom today with one more day of World Cup conversation. The guys reacted to the ratings that indicated 60+ million people in the United States watched Sunday's World Cup final between Spain and Argentina. The boys had thoughts on RG3s IG video from over the weekend. Commanders, NFL, and Nats a part of the show as well.   For all your football betting needs: DCRELOAD at MyBookie for a 50% Deposit Match   So if you are looking to make Mother’s Day perfect, or just want to impress your friends and family with an epic meal next time you host, go to www.GOLDBELLY.com and get free shipping and 20% off your first order with promo code sheehan.   Air conditioning stops at your waistband. Stay fresh all day with TUSHY. For a limited time, our listeners get 10% off their first bidet order when you use code Sheehan at checkout. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You don't want it. You don't need it. But you're going to get it anyway. The Kevin Sheehan Show. He is Kevin. Tommy's here. I am here. The show's presenting sponsor is always Window Nation.

86690 Nation, Window Nation. Window Nation.com. Tommy's going to do Wednesday and Friday this week. Sorry there wasn't a show yesterday. Won't give you the long story, but it was my fault. We were going to record the show early, and I couldn't get it done. early. Tommy could. Tommy was ready to roll, but he is ready to roll once again today. So it's... Well, listen. Yes. I've learned that it's important to be flexible in this business.

Especially, since, you know, people's jobs are disappearing in this business left in my life. Oh, they are. I'm afraid, you know, you might let me go if I'm not flexible. Well, let me just tell you, I will, if If I let you go, I promise I won't let you go during the show as what happened. Did you see that? Ryan Clark was let go during the last show he did, NFL Live. Did you see that? Yeah. It's just unbelievable.

I mean, I saw this back and forth on social media between, I think it was awful announcing and the athletic maybe. I don't even know. You never know what you're actually reading, but essentially it was like who got the Ryan Clark's story first? And I was thinking to myself, who cares? Who got the Ryan Clark got laid off story first? I mean, I don't wish anybody to get laid off in this business or any other business, but it hardly seemed like a headline get, you know, like a real scoop.

But it was a scoop because ESPN was in the midst of all these layoffs, and you could argue that Ryan Clark was the biggest name, although I'd say Carl Ravich or Charles Davis. Like, Carl Ravitt. Yeah. But they, so because apparently people had this news, and ESPN had not officially told Ryan Clark, they didn't want him to see it on social media during a commercial break.

So during a commercial break, they told him. And he got up and walked off the set before the final segment of the show. You know, I'm not a big Ryan Clark fan. I'm not. Scott, who Ryan Clark has worked with very closely in recent years, Scott has always told me that he likes Ryan Clark. He's liked working with Ryan Clark. He likes Ryan personally.

And so, you know, Scott's judgment means. something to me, no doubt. From afar, I've never loved Ryan Clark as an analyst. I think he's been okay. Actually, let me take that back. I think he's been okay as a football analyst, but I think he's way too interested in injecting himself, injecting politics, injecting race, when it's not really part of the topic. And I mean, it's not my favorite thing to see people make that a part of the story when it's really not a part of the story. And I thought he did that way too often. And then he got into it with Peter Schrager last year, who was new to ESPN and did the old thing where, you know, guys who played the games, you know, essentially said, but you never played the game. So you wouldn't know. It was one of those things. I, you know. But I'm amazed. I'm amazed that that blew up. I mean, that should be, if you're Peter Schrager, that should be water off your back.

I agree. Totally agree. You know? No, what? It's not like, it's not the worst insult in the world. No, it isn't. You're in a business where you can't be so sensitive to criticism, even if it's bullshit criticism. And sometimes that is bullshit criticism, and sometimes it isn't.

But I agree with you. I don't think I've seen. the incident, like on video, I've read how the incident went down. And I guess... Yeah, me too. And it seemed to take on a life of its own for such a pretty small thing. Yeah. I'll tell you what, all due respect to everybody at ESPN.

With the exception of Scott, Stephen A. Greenberg. I'm making my point as I'm thinking about the people who are truly difference makers. And I say that about Mike Greenberg because he is a difference maker. You know, that show... But the biggest difference maker, and it's not my company. McAfee. Maccify.

Yeah. So outside of four or five guys and a couple of play-by-play guys like Chris Fowler and Reese and obviously Joe Buck and Troy Aitman, they do Monday night football. Yes. Everybody else, they kind of all blend together. There are a lot of people on ESPN that I can definitely identify. And I'm talking about beyond that core, you know, very untouchable group, I would say, based on their contracts and everything else.

Like, you know, there are certain people who when they come on, I know exactly. who they are and I either like them or I don't or I don't have a strong opinion. Most of those people blend together. It's like I really, if they were, if they left and they were gone, I don't think I would ever notice. And in part it's because there's so many of them on so many different shows. And this is a result everyone thinks about. the murder with the NFL network. Right. Yeah.

Yeah. It is. Yeah. So I promise to you, if we get into a situation where cutbacks are necessary layoffs, that I will not do it during the podcast. Now, I'll make sure you do the podcast. I want to get one last show out of you. And then I'll tell you afterwards. You know, remember that in our business,

when people got fired, they were told after their show, and they weren't allowed to come back and do a show. I always understood the rationale. It was like, we're not going to let this guy who we just fired come back on our air and rip us. With that said,

I would have never done that. I would have asked for, well, why don't you give me one more show so I can thank everybody. and wish everybody well. But that's not the business. The business is probably better than 50% chance if you fire somebody and you allow them to sit back down behind a microphone.

It could get ugly. But that was always the case, you know, told and told to pack up and get out, basically. That was it. That was their final day, even if they had any sort of severance coming. Not the greatest of businesses, as we've discussed over the years, the radio business in particular, I'm talking about. The podcast business, Tommy, you know, knock on wood, it's healthy, it's growing, and I don't envision a day in the next month or two where I'd have to lay you off. In the next month or two?

I think I hope that the two of us are doing this twice a week or more for the rest of our lives because this is one of the most fun things I get to do. I got this from T-51. T-51 wrote, loved your World Cup recap. 60 million people watched Kevin. Are you sure this wasn't the year for the U.S. to fall in love with soccer? 63 million watched Sunday, Tommy, Argentina and Spain. I know.

That's an insane number. Yes, it is. Yes, it is. Remember, 90 million people watched the last episode of Match. Okay, but these are bigger numbers than the championship games in the NFL. That's a bigger number. That's a rival but slightly bigger number. Why is this a surprise?

This is why it should be. Well, these are U.S. This is the Fox Telemundo combined. Yes, 63 million. Fox Telemundo. Well, Telemundo is you. Mexico and Canada? Well, it's Fox in America.

And it's Telemundo. Telemundo is, it's an American network. right, even though it's in Spanish. Yes. Am I right about that? I don't know.

I think I'm right about that. I think you might be. Yeah. So that's an insane number. Oh, come on what? So you think this is a game changer? You think like three months from now, everybody who was talking about the World Cup,

they're all going to be soccer fans now? I don't. No, I don't agree with this email. I don't agree with T50. I think people, I think it's what we've said for a while now. The World Cup is interesting to people. Soccer isn't. And so, not in this country.

That's a good way to describe it. And so, I mean, look, I went on Sunday, as you know, we haven't talked about my World Cup, my soccer championship experience. I refer to it. other day as I went to the soccer championship. And I can't find, I was looking for it before the show, but somebody tweeted me and said, God, that was just annoying the way you described it as the soccer championship. It's the World Cup final.

It was intentionally condescending. But the soccer championship that I went to on Sunday was really cool. I won't watch another soccer game for another four years. more likely than not. Maybe the euros. I've watched some of that before, but that's where I am, and I have a sense that that's where the majority is. Yes, I would agree. Yeah. And maybe... Well, tell me about Sunday. I know you've talked about it already.

Right. But this is the first time you and I have been together since you were at the... It was at this event. You know what a big event feels like. You've been to Super Bowls, you've been to big World Series, you've been to big fights, you've been, it was big. It felt big being there. You know, everything about it felt like, wow, this is a big effing event. The thing that did not materialize, as some had suggested it would, is that it would be more of a Super Bowl corporate crowd.

No. My number one takeaway, and it's the thing that I will remember more than anything else from attending this, Tommy, was the Argentina fan base. I've never been to a big soccer event. I don't think you have either, right? No. So singing is the way that they cheer. You know, it's constant singing. 90 minutes before this game began.

You know, the stadium was 85% filled. It was 8, 9, 10 to 1, Argentina fans over Spain fans. Now, people have told me before that the Argentina soccer fan base is truly one of the top two or three most passionate in the world. And there was no doubt that this was an insane thing. group of people. The singing was going on 90 minutes before the game started and it continued for 90 minutes after the game ended. I got to the train station and hundreds of Argentinian fans were there singing all weekend long in New York, everywhere you went, Argentina, jerseys,

messy jerseys. I think I said this. I did not appreciate before this weekend how big messy was. I knew that he was, if not the most recognizable athlete on the planet, certainly one of the top two or three. I looked this up and I went on a bit of a deep dive. There's no jersey in the world that comes close to Messies Jersey in terms of sales. Rinaldo's two, Mbapes three, and then it gets a little bit murky.

Like Steph Curry, believe it or not, has the most of current, I'm talking about current players. and current athletes. Steph Curry's number one among American athletes in Jersey sold. I would have thought it would have been LeBron, but it's Steph Curry. But Tommy, New York

New York City, everywhere you went, Argentina fans. There were Spain fans sprinkled in and out. But at the stadium on Sunday, it MetLife, 8 to 1, 9 to 1, 10 to 1, something like that, and just

constantly singing. and I don't speak Spanish, but they were a lot of the same, you know, songs. But it was just, you just realized that this thing is something else. And then the game started. And the game itself, I'm sorry, I've said this already this week, and some of you have pushed back on this. It's just not for me, the game itself. Nothing, nothing.

For a hundred and five minutes 105 minutes yeah or something like that yeah I mean come on I've had people writing me telling me that

that this was don't try to sell me that this was exciting you're you know what you're compensating if you think this was exciting I mean I don't want to say that because there are people that really

know the game it's like there are people that will say to me after a great defensive football game, and I come in here and I'm like, that was a great football game. Yeah, I know it was 10 to 3, but it was a great football game. I loved it. And I'm being totally genuine because it was hard hitting and it was defensive and it was physical and it was whatever it was. I've had people tell me that Spain's run through this World Cup was the equivalent of the Ravens run in 2000 or the Bears run in 85. That that's how great their defense was. Uh-huh.

But I don't, okay? I know. I've tried. I've tried. And it's just not for me. That's all. I'm not going to try to convince those of you that love it, that you're crazy for loving it.

You know, it's fine. So where, where will you sit? Lower level directly behind one of the goals. I actually really liked the seats and we were heavy so was the rest of the stadium unless you were in a suite. We were heavy in an Argentina fan-based section.

There were sections that, you know, it was smattering of both fans and there were a couple of sections that were just all Spain. But the rest of the stadium was basically, wearing in Argentina jersey and nine out of ten were messy jerseys, number ten.

And so good angle to kind of watch the game, there just wasn't a lot of, you know, action. The Spain team, it was obvious. I mean, I could tell that Spain was the dominant team, but dominance led to zero zero

for 105 minutes. Were you on the feet, the whole time? Yes, stood the entire time. Why? I'm sorry? Why? Well, if you wanted to watch the game, you had to stand because everybody in that section was standing. I did notice that not every part of the stadium were people standing the entire time, but if you were anywhere near a large group of Argentina fans or Spain's fans, you were standing if you wanted to see the game.

If you're asking me why, because, you know, you could have just sat down and, and if you heard a loud cheer stood up to see what it was about. No, I wanted to watch the game. And now, when you got the hydration breaks or when, after a while, when we got the rolling around on the ground with the person that, you know, like at least six people, you know,

players looked like they died during the game. But they were fine. turned out. But when that started, I sat down because I knew it was going to last for a while. I've seen that. I've seen the theater part of the fake injuries. And so I sat down. I didn't want to watch that. And when, yeah, but no, I stood. Did you get in any fights? No, I didn't get in any fights. And I heard that there were a lot of fights. I didn't see any fights. None. the Argentina fan base, they're too happy it would appear to me. But you were rooting then for Argentina, openly, right?

Actually, as the game went on and this zero-to-zero-zero-snews Fest continued, I was like, if I'm going to go this whole way on this zero-to-zero thing, let's see this thing end in penalty kicks at the goal that we were close to. That would have been kind of cool. Had the game gone to penalty kicks because we were right behind that net. So that would have been fun to watch. So I was kind of rooting for that. I didn't really care who won the game.

I didn't bet the game. I wanted to see a good game. I was hoping to see, you saw the day before England beat France in the third place game, six to four. Yeah. Did you see that? No, I didn't watch it. I saw the score. Yeah. I mean, like, it would have been fun to have seen a game like that where there was a lot of scoring.

Again, I'm watching the clock thing, and they add an extra five at the end of the last 15-minute extra time, and there are three substitutions, and there are a couple of, you know, injuries and fake injuries and a couple of, of this and a couple of that, and they stopped it even before the five minutes, and nobody seems to care. They don't seem to care. No, time stands still. I mean, the team that was losing Argentina, nobody seemed to be upset that the referee decided to stop the game when it seemed to me like there needed to be at least another two or three minutes left. Let me just tell you something that I don't think I've talked about this week as it relates to the game. I just had a couple of thoughts about the game.

Number one is, in a big game, if a player on your team gets a yellow card, why would you leave him in the game if his name's not messy? Like, why would you risk playing 10 on 11? Because one of their players that got a yellow card, got a second yellow card, which is a red card, and got booted from the game, and they played a large percentage of that, you know, second half in the extra time down a man. So somebody needs to explain to me why you would possibly risk going down a man.

I understand if it's your best player and it's an experienced player and you feel like that player's not going to commit another penalty. And then secondly, here's one thing that I have noticed and I admit I could be way off on. football, basketball, these sports as we have watched them through the years, they've evolved, they've changed. You know, the, I mean, look, the three-point shot, the three-point shot from deep, the Steph Curry transformation of the game. Football, college football, you see high school and college, you see most of the innovation.

You know, offensively, the spread, the, you know, the dual-threat, quarterback to the NFL, lots of different changes over the years. I'd like somebody to send me what the innovation in soccer's been. Because I'd love a Mike Leach or a Hal Mummy from college football. I'd like to know who that person is in soccer. Like, isn't there a crazy coach, a Paul Westhead, Tommy, you know, from the Loyola Marymount days that just says, I'm going to play this game much differently. We're going to go wide open. We're going to give up a lot of goals, but we're going to score a lot of goals. You know, I mean, somebody's got to finally step up and say, we're going to use our hands. Okay. The hands and the off sides thing. That's funny, but I'm being serious,

but I think the reason that no one will reach out to me with some crazy change in the game is the game itself doesn't avail itself to that. It doesn't, like, just what I said, like, we're going to open it up. We're going to air it out 80 times a game, you know, in the spread, in the air raid offense in college football. There's no opportunity to do that in soccer. Like, it's really hard to score a goal. The way the game scored, it's not like you can score even if you put everybody down on offense. You still can't go off sides, you know?

So, I don't know. I'm glad I went. If you said, hey, do you want to go to the next one? Where is the next World Cup? I did look this up, and I'm forgetting where it is now, 2030. I think it's another multi-country hosting of it. Yeah, Morocco, Portugal, Spain. Hey, that would be a good World Cup to go to.

that'd be a good one. But if you told me, if my brother says in four years, I got a ticket for you for the World Cup final in Madrid, I'm going to guess that out of those three countries, it's going to be in Spain. Yeah. I'm going to probably politely decline.

I've done it. It was great. Yeah. I'll watch it on TV. And you just had to go up the road a few hours to do it. You didn't have to leave the country. That's true. That is true.

Although, you know, the next one, you love Spain, I love Spain, Portugal, Morocco. It wouldn't be bad to be over there. And if you're going to be over there, you might as well go to a game. I'll tell you what I would go to. I would go to a Premier League regular season game, like a Liverpool versus whatever, Manchester United, whatever the big rivalry game is. The crowd portion of what I witnessed Sunday was the best part of it. And if somebody said, you know, hey, we're going to a Premier League game at Liverpool Stadium.

I don't know anything about Liverpool. I just know that they're a big name and a big brand. And they're playing their rivals Chelsea. This is like Cowboys Redskins from the 80s. I think I'd go to something like that. I don't think I could get you to go with me. I'm pretty sure. No, I wouldn't.

No. So, any other questions about my World Cup experience? What do you think of the low-life scumbags, Argentinians, at the end of the game? I don't, what, the little pushing and shoving? Is that what people are upset about? I mean, seriously? They're turning their back. to the presentation.

I mean, what kind of, I didn't watch that? What kind of petty bullshit was that? I didn't watch that. I didn't see the fights that I read about. Honestly, I didn't see anything resembling a fight like in the crowd. Oh, that's good.

I didn't see, I saw the little fight there at the end. We stayed until like the beginning of the presentation, but then I had to make my train. The game went long, and I had to make my train, and let me just tell you, I got back literally as it was, you know, the doors were getting ready to shut on my train. And the next two trains were sold out as were the flights for the next morning.

So I needed to make that train. So we bolted, you know, we probably bolted with the majority, when the majority bolted. It was, we had been there for a while. It was quite the, I thought they did it very well. Like it wasn't like you were waiting in lines forever. It was constantly moving. But there was a lot of security. A lot of security.

And then when you got in this stadium, the lines for concessions were just ridiculous. But yeah, it was interesting. I will tell you that. Certainly a first for me. All right. Did you get any souvenirs? Did I get any souvenirs?

you're not a souvenir No I'm not a I probably should have gotten something right I know I didn't get anything Did you even bring back a program? I didn't see programs being sold Okay

And the other thing is I didn't hold my phone up and shoot video for two hours I tried to take it in with my own eyes I took some pictures And I took some video Especially of the pregame stuff to send to the family. And I may have,

I think I tweeted out one picture. That may have been it. I forget. But, yeah. Yeah, I'm not a big collector of those things. But it was, by all accounts, North America did a really nice job

hosting the World Cup. And it was a memorable World Cup, even if the final itself wasn't that memorable. All right. We'll see. at some point what the final cost really was for all this. Oh, right. Yeah. Are you predicting an absolute, you know, disaster for... Because it always is.

I know, but for each one of these cities that hosted, I don't know how many games, like, how many games did the link actually in Philadelphia host, three or four? It's just... I don't know. I don't know either. Yeah, I'll be interested in that. I've no, obviously they had to pay FIFA a fortune, right? Yeah. So will they have to meet FIFA standards for all kinds of stuff?

Yeah. And they reached hardly any of the revenue. I've seen a lot of follow-up, football follow-up, American football follow-up, on how beautiful the grass fields were everywhere. And why can't that happen? in the NFL. I don't have the answer to it, but I would imagine that it's easier for a field to look beautiful in July

than it is in November, December, and January outdoors. There's that part of it. But the NFL does, it does seem to me like the NFL should be doing more to make their playing surfaces as safe as possible. And not all of them are. No. It seems absurd. Since their product are the players.

Yeah. All right. You want to protect the product. We have a lot to get to. You were listening to a segment that I did on radio that you wanted to ask me about. Yes. We have a lot of people that think that you and I should get involved with RG3 in his Netflix documentary.

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video the other day? It's mind-shattering that you haven't talked about it, but I guess he's not as entertaining as Ayuk. Appreciate that. Yeah, a lot of people have been wondering about when we were going to address the RG3

video from over the weekend. I wanted to wait until you got back, because he's your favorite person. We know that. Did you see it? You saw it, right? Super Bob. Super Bob. You call them Super Bob. Was Bobby Three Sticks? Was that Doc? I think that was Doc. I don't know who it was, but, you know, mine was Super Bob. I think Doc dubbed him Bobby Three Sticks, if my memory serves me correctly. Anyway, did you see what Bobby Three Sticks put out on social media? So, I mean, you know, I mean, I really, he really has become irrelevant to me.

You know, it's interesting how your listeners kind of dictate what your program should be. It's kind of funny. Yeah. When you think about, if you're not talking about something, there's like some kind of void or something. How can there be an RG tree void? What could, what could we possibly say that would fill that void? Oh, he's right. you know, I can't wait until the team is exposed for what they did to this poor guy.

Is that what you're expecting? No, we're not going to say that. Let me just, for those that missed it, let me just tell everybody what we're talking about. So over the weekend, RG3 put out a social media post on Instagram. He's dressed fully in a Redskins uniform with the helmet with the, you know, real logo. the logo from 1972 on, the Blackie Wetzel logo, the real helmet, the Redskins helmet. He's in his number 10 jersey. White on white, by the way.

They're in their white uniforms with white pants. Apparently people have said that his rookie of the year trophy is sitting on this chair that he comes in to sit on, and then he picks up his rookie of the year trophy, puts it down on the floor in front of him. And then he, there's no words spoken, there's music playing. And he just kind of tilts his head. He looks very annoyed. He looks very, uh, sort of off put. And then the following is written, uh, over this, uh, video post.

Quote, preparing for my Netflix documentary about why they kept running me when I had only one leg against Seattle in 2012, closed quote. So let me just say this. Tommy real quickly. He's irrelevant for the most part. We have not talked about a lot of this stuff that RG3's done in recent years on social media primarily. And I've gotten a lot from people that have said, are you going to talk about RG3?

Did you see what he put out? No, because he's irrelevant for the most part. And a lot of this stuff is truly just what we've always known about him. It's the total self-consumed. let me see if I can create, you know, a viral meme today. I mean, that's what he's, that's what he did on television. He was, you know, racing birds on Monday night football to try to create a viral moment. And then that only lasted a year, thankfully.

But this one is different, I would say, because it does get back to the most, certainly on the list, shortlist of the most infamous games in franchise history. A game that has been discussed, debated, not necessarily documented fully, but we certainly had Mike Shanahan on our show together for a two-hour interview, which was a blow-by-blow of everything that happened in 2012 and 2013, including that famous January 2013 day at FedEx Field. and that's specifically what he was referring to here. By the way, there's no Netflix documentary planned, but you know what, Tommy? It would be a really good Netflix documentary. I don't think just for us, for Skins fans,

it's one of the more incredible recent meteoric rises and immediate downfalls that we've ever seen with an athlete. He was the number one jersey being sold in 2012, the rookie of the year. He had the greatest rookie of the year for a quarterback ever until Jaden Daniels topped it two years ago. He was the Heisman Trophy winner. He was charismatic. He was, you fell in love with him. You loved him.

Of course I did. Yeah. Yes. And I was exposed when things went bad. Yeah. totally exposed but that day is still the one i think everybody now agrees okay this guy was impossible this guy was never going to be great even if he hadn't been injured but i think there is still very much a debate about that game and how it was handled and the lead-up to the game and how it was

handled. There are still people that blame Mike Shanahan for RG3's, you know, devastating injury. And then there are people like me that we've heard, and I think you to a certain extent, we've heard certainly one side of the story to the last detail and say, yeah, maybe RG3 and Dr. James Andrews and Dan Snyder had something to do with it as well. But you and I have a fundamental disagreement about this. Remind me. Sorry. Okay.

You're right about all those things. But if you were watching the game, he had no business at that. Like in the minutes leading up to the end, a few minutes, not the whole game, but in the few minutes leading up to the final, where he made his final exit. I mean, you know, your play-by-play guy was describing him as limping around the field. Right. Okay. I mean, visually, no matter what anyone else was ordering or telling you, you had to know he had, he couldn't be in there.

Doesn't matter what the doctor says. Well, it does matter what the doctor said. No. Mike Shanahan told us that the doctor came out with RG3 from a room at halftime and said, it's not his knee, it's the brace. He's fine. I know. So there is that part of it.

But after that, visually, he had to be out. Yeah, we do have a disagreement about that. I'm not sitting here telling you that watching that game, I didn't realize that he was hampered. say the least. He was hampered in the game the previous week against Dallas. He was hampered in the game two weeks previous to that against Philadelphia. But there was an element of, hey, this is a playoff game. He was cleared and the doctor just cleared him again and said it was the brace.

Now, you can make a very, very sound argument that, regardless of whether or not it was the brace or his knee, before the final terrible, you know, reaching for the low snap, going down in a heap on the field in the fourth quarter with a torn ACL and a torn LCL and torn lots of things, you could make the case that regardless, Kirk Cousins would have given them a better chance

to win the game in the second half. Some people believe that. I don't think I believed that at the time. I didn't believe that at the time. And Mike made the decision at halftime. Remember, Mike told us the decision was, because Robert wasn't around at halftime. He was with Dr. James Andrews.

Kirk's playing. He's going into the game. And then they emerged and said it wasn't the knee. The brace was not in the proper spot. That's what was hampering him. So Mike put him back into the game in the second half. Remember, he actually injured the knee again, re-injured it, because it was originally injured in that Baltimore game in early December when Holodinaata hit him. But it was on that second touchdown pass that gave him a 14-0 lead, and he came down on it, and he sort of limped back.

But we had seen him limping in the Dallas game, the Philadelphia game. And let's not forget that in the Cleveland game, the game that he missed after getting hurt against Baltimore, He's out doing his own personal warm-up before the game to try to convince everybody he's good to go. Dan Snyder, according to Mike, said to, Mike, Robert's good. He can go. And Mike said, no, he's not going. He's been ruled out by the doctors, and he hasn't practiced this week. And Dan wasn't happy, and we know how unhappy Robert was,

because he couldn't wait to hold his own press conference. Press conference after that cousins game. After cousins lit up the Browns, they won a crucial game, and RG3 did something that was completely unprecedented. People who don't play in games don't hold press conferences after the games. Only coaches and quarterbacks who played in the games hold press conferences, and he got the media together and held his own presser where he expressed how disappointed he was.

was, that he wasn't allowed to play in that game. And in the Seattle game, let's not forget what NFL films picked up on, which is... See, that this is the smoking gun kind of thing. Yeah. That's pretty much disappeared from view. You can't find it anywhere. You can't? I don't think.

I don't think so. Well, we know it happened. We saw it. We saw it. We heard it when he turned to Trent Williams and said, when Trent Williams said, you're hurt. and something like that said, and he said,

yeah, don't tell coach. Right. Yeah. Yes. Now that, that's pretty damning. Yeah.

The coach, you know, you could argue, I think, rightfully so, that the coach needs to be aware of it, no matter

with the quarterbacks hiding how hard he is or not. But, but to gain it to, to act like a victim when you basically were on film, saying that you wanted to play

no matter how hurt you were in that situation I mean don't act like you're a victim then by the way you just reminded me that was the game too where Trent Williams punched Richard Sherman in the face into the game yeah no I mean

and the the backdrop even for that game was this brewing you know situation between Robert and the coaching staff, or at least some of the coaches on the staff, because of the Cleveland game. And then remember, Mike shared with us in the practices leading into the Philadelphia game. You know, he insisted that he not run zone read.

And he said, well, this is a team we've got to run zone read against if we're going to beat him. But remember, Kirk didn't run much zone read, although cousins told me a few months ago when he was on that actually there were zone read calls in the game, but they were, you know, the way he read it out, he gave it to Alfred Morris. But, you know, Robert and his group thought Kirk had a completely different game plan. Well, Kirk was a different quarterback, too.

Kirk was more advanced at some of the, you know, passing stuff, whereas Robert was more advanced at the running stuff at that point in his career. I mean, they were a good team with Robert being a dual-threat quarterback, which was really the only way for him to play as a rookie. But you had a lot that was really, there was an undercurrent of tension, you know, following that Cleveland game.

And so there was a lot of pressure on Mike not to pull Robert, to play Robert. And the doctors cleared him over and over again. They didn't clear him for the Cleveland game, and he didn't play in the Cleveland game. Now remember, RG3 has already done a documentary. All in for week one. The will to win.

What, I don't know. One hour documentary by NFL films that chronicled Robert Griffith's recovery from knee injuries sustained in the 2012 playoffs, focusing on his rehabilitation and personal life as he prepared for the 2013

C. Yeah, that was the all in for week one. He was the executive producer of his own you know, of his own recovery. And, you know, look, what happened after that game, I mean, it just, it was over.

I mean, he was injured seriously. The relationship was broken because Dan was all in for Robert, not all in for the coaches. Robert demanded that 21 plays be eliminated from the playbook going into 2013. He's making a spectacle of his rehab. And he probably wasn't ready to play in that opener against Philadelphia in 2013.

Probably wasn't. But he wasn't. And Mike told us that if Cousins hadn't sprained his ankle in that final preseason game, he was going to probably start Kirk. That would have been probably his last day on the job because Dan wouldn't have put up with it. Yeah. That was a big part of it, people.

You had an owner, we know this, who was invested in this quarterback, entitled this quarterback, and this quarterback went directly to the owner. You know, this was not, Dan didn't let the coaches, coach the quarterback, That's the irony of all this for me. And for him, I don't know if he'll ever admit this.

But the best thing for him and his career and his development as a quarterback would have to have remained a part of this team with Kyle Shanahan and Mike Shanahan and Matt LaFleur and Sean McVeigh and the list goes on and on. this was the best group of coaches to develop him had he understood that at the time. And if Dan had understood that at the time, but of course he was never capable of understanding what he had in his building. Because Robert was, he was limited. He was limited as a traditional, with traditional quarterback ability. Mike knew that coming out.

Kyle knew that coming out. That's why they put together the offense. put together in his rookie year. The other stuff was going to take time for him to learn and to develop, but they were the right coaches to do it for him. Now, some will say, no, Mike never wanted to give Robert a shot. That's why he drafted Cousins. It's just not true.

Mike's told me many times on the air and off. Was he enamored with Robert? No, but he gave it the thumbs up on drafting him. and on the trade. Remember, he loved some of the things about Robert, and there were a couple of things that scared him. But he did not push back and say, no, I don't want this. I'll tell you what he pushed back on was the McNabb trade. He pushed back on that, and he did it anyway. Yeah. But.

You know, here's what else, something else that's so bizarre about this guy. Remember a couple years ago? There was a book that was coming out. we've talked about this. Yeah. Gary Myers. Gary Myers. Yeah. And it never,

but it didn't come out. No. And I, from what I understand, I believe that we are in that book. Uh-huh. Yeah, he was not.

Really? I've told you that before. I don't remember that. And I think I've told the listeners of this podcast this before. I mean, I don't know this for sure. But I,

I was, told that there's a lot in it about his disdain for the DC media and that we were among those that were singled out. Okay. Yeah. I mean, it doesn't. But we don't know why it never got published, do we? Well, yeah, because he got that job with the SPN.

So he put it, he said, let's shelve it for now because he, you know, I don't know if it was him or his agent or whatever, but it's like, why am I going to come out? out with a book that might be controversial when I just got my first TV job. You know, he is good at calling games. I've watched a lot of college

football games with him sitting in the analyst chair. He's very good at that. That's what he should be doing, and that's what he is doing, right? I mean, I think he's still calling college football games for ESPN. Yeah, but he's invisible, though.

Well, yeah, I mean, yeah, he's not doing the main games. Oh, Boise State versus... No, no, no, no. He's done some big-time games. I think he did the Big 12th championship game last year. He's done some big games. Actually, I think he may be part of the...

I think he was part of the Netflix crew for NFL games. What do you mean? On Netflix at... Oh, the air broadcast of... Yes, he was. Yeah, he was on Christmas Day. Yes. Yes.

Yeah. Yes. Why not come out with the book now? Maybe he will. I don't know. I don't know. He, yeah, he was... You've got to get that manuscript.

Well, we'll just read the book. No, we need the manuscript. Why? So we can have it and talk about it. Break this. Oh, break this. Yeah, I mean, look, I mean, it's just... we've now watched this for 12 years, but really like 10 cents.

I mean, Cleveland, it didn't work out for him, Baltimore, it didn't work out for him. I mean, there's some stories out there that I'm not going to talk about because I don't know if they're true or not. But, you know, he tried to take credit for Lamar Jackson's, you know, rise and when he was the backup there. And there were a lot of people that kind of shot that down. In fact, I think Lamar actually may have said that, Flacco was more of sort of a mentor than any other quarterback that had been in a quarterback room. I mean, we know what he, what he is. He's enamored with himself, and he, he's an incredible self-promoter, and there's a lot of, I'm sure, delusion when it comes to what this situation here

was. I have this sense, Tommy, I don't know if you do. We're, in what we do, we're close to the pulse of the fan base. For many years, it was very polarized over RG3. And remember, I mean, we dealt with this. Race was injected into the conversation during those days.

Very in my... Bimony Jones. Remember Bumani Jones? Yeah, the guy from ESPN. Yeah, who basically accused us of it. Cues us of it. He suggested that we were race baiting here. And then we asked him to come on the show

and he refused. Yeah, refused to come on the show. And I thought it was so inappropriate that race be injected. Not that it wasn't, look, it gets injected into a lot of things. But in this particular case, for this particular town, this was a city that embraced Doug Williams over Jay Schrader in the 1980s, 30 years prior to all of this. this city was embracing a black starting quarterback over a white starting quarterback by like literally like 99 to 1 for the most part and Doug obviously has remained to this very day a beloved redskin but what was I going to say I don't know what I was going to say I just got sidetracked I the yeah the the the fan base was polarized for a long time I sent

that with RG3's, you know, the ESPN Monday night thing did not go well for him. He tried to turn it into an RG3 show every night he was on it. You know, that was the first year Scott was hosting it. I mean, his whole goal, it seemed like, was to create a viral moment during a football show. So that lasted, you know, a year. And then they got him off the other stuff that he was on at ESPN. the social media clown show that he is at times over the years. I now sense that our fan base isn't as polarized over him as they used to be.

I think that they've all come to understand that there was a lot there that just was never going to work. Never going to work. Well, I think they got exhausted by it. Maybe. I think it's made things easier. to have uh, jaden in place now.

Yeah. Yes. But, you know, and also no Dan here anymore. Um, and I think everybody realized, you know,

over the years just how toxic it was for everybody else in the organization, Dan's relationship with the, you know, the guy that basically took the league by storm. Um, and,

um, Yeah, I mean, crazy. I'll tell you what, man, that 2012 season will always have that season because it was thrilling. And I still think had he not gotten hurt, that was a team that had a chance to win multiple playoff games. I think the 49ers were better. And a championship game at Candlestick against the 49ers would have been something that maybe couldn't have gotten done, but they, I think they could have beaten the Falcons. I think they would have beaten the Seahawks if he didn't get hurt in that game.

You know, they were very difficult to defend that year. He was as a run threat, it opened up everything offensively. And let's not forget, he may not have been built to be a pocket passer because he wasn't, but he could throw the football. he could really throw it. He had a big arm, he had an accurate arm, but I mean we got to 2013 and 2014, and it was just so obvious that he couldn't play the position, you know?

Yeah. It wasn't without being a true dual threat kind of a quarterback. And you know what? I think always gets lost about that 2012 season. What? But, Pierre Garsohn had a lot to do with that. I mean, you look at the record, you know, when he was out. Oh, I know.

That's when they sunk. I know. And then when he came back. Yeah. Is when they went on their winning streak. Yeah. I mean, they won seven games at the end of the year. And you're right, it started with him coming back off the bye week after Shanahan said,

we're going to start looking to next year. And, of course, I don't think he was serious. They're going to play that thing out. But, yeah, I mean, you know, I think about the, the, the, the, we had been starved at that point. It had been since Joe had left, you know, 2007, which was, you know, a season that was already so tragic, but it ended with that playoff run. And, you know, and that was it for Joe. You know, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, Beck, Grossman. And then here comes, the thorn years were pretty tough. Really tough. And then here comes this guy. He's bright. which, by the way, he is bright. There's no doubt about that. He's charismatic.

And from the get-go, from the get-go in New Orleans, shock and awe. You called it that week on the show. You called shock and awe. But we had no idea what was coming. And then the games that year, the Minnesota game where he had the 76-yard run,

the Dallas Thanksgiving Day game was legendary. We had never beaten the Cowboys in Dallas on Thanksgiving Day, and he was incredible in that game. Just incredible in that game. And then the Baltimore game was insane. Obviously, you got

hurt in it. Yeah, I mean, that was a fun season, man. I predicted, I'll never forget, I predicted on the show. This guy's going to win MVP's plural. He's going to win more than one MVP. We didn't know what was going on behind the scenes.

We would find out later. But, you know, through much of that season, because it was going along so well, all was fine. The Hologna Nata hit on Robert in that Baltimore game and the Cleveland game that followed changed the entire tone of the relationship. And you said it to be at the very beginning because I remember Mike telling us that one of his concerns was, if you recall, the, when he went to visit with Robert before the draft in, you know, I guess it was between the end of the 2012 college football season and the draft itself, he sat down with Robert and his father, I think it was, and he pulled up like two of the games in which Robert had not played well. And Robert and his father, or whoever that was with him, I think it was his father, Mike told us,

they fell over each other throwing Art Bryles under the bus, the head coach. Oh, it was a terrible play call. Oh, we were not prepared for that team. And Mike said to us, that really stuck with him because he wondered how he'd handle adversity. Yeah. And he didn't handle it well. No All right Are we done with that? I think so I think so

All right We've got more things to get to But don't you think One last thing Yeah I think it's important If and when there ever is a documentary

That we be represented And represented Truthfully Yeah I mean One thing I would hear Are you saying we is in you and me Or the D.C. media Yes

No you and me Okay I mean, I'm not that important. Well, but here's the thing. I mean, it would be a terrible injustice if there's a whitewashed documentary that makes him out to be a victim. Well, you've always predicted that that's a possibility.

I mean, when we used to be half kidding and say, when we used to half kid and say, this is going to make a great 30 for 30, you know, the rise and fall of RG3, you said, yeah, if it's done honestly and there's a chance that it won't be. That's just an injustice I won't be able to abide. I won't. Well, Bobby's always been your guy.

Man, I talked about this on radio briefly, and Doc sent me a text. Doc said, what are you doing? You took the bait from him. It's exactly what he wants. He just wants the attention. Yeah, whatever. I think that that day is a day that and a period of time that would be fascinating to revisit if, if, to your point,

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any of the other 31 teams to put on Washington's roster right now without any cap considerations, without any compensation considerations. You don't have to worry about salary, money, or anything else. It's just you get to pick one defensive player, one offensive player to put on Washington's team right now. So Del wrote, Kevin, you're my guy, but no way. Oh, my selections were Miles Garrett and Justin Jefferson. Tommy, by the way, immediately texted me because he was listening and he said Justin Jefferson would be your offensive

pick as well, right? Not only my offensive pick, but if you could only pick one player overall on both sides of the ball. You'd pick Justin Jefferson. It would still be Justin Jefferson. So, Dell writes, Kevin, you're my guy, but no way I go Miles

Garrett over Micah Parsons. Parsons is today's today's version of L.T. And I know how much you love L.T. Lawrence Taylor, he's referring to. Jefferson over Chase is a tough call. Jamar Chase, he's talking about. But Parsons is younger and the next number 56 in the NFL.

You know, Michael Parsons has been compared to Lawrence Taylor. But as Bill Belichick would say to you, Del, we're talking about LT here. We're talking about Lawrence Taylor. Okay, so let's not go crazy. Miles Garrett right now, take the quarterback position out of the conversation. I think he's the best pound-for-pound football player in the league. He is 30, which is why I would consider Will Anderson Jr.

as a possibility on defense, too, because Will Anderson, Jr., I think might be the second best defensive player in the game. I like him more than Parsons, and he's 24. I also got this from Josh in Georgetown. Josh in Georgetown wrote, I really enjoyed the pick two players from the league segment, but hear me out on this. I'm a Jaden Daniels fan,

but you said any player off of any other team, I would take Josh Allen off of Buffalo and put them on our team. and Eric in Norfolk, or Norfolk, as they say down there, my biggest takeaway from your last segment, nobody had a different quarterback as their offensive edition. First time and a long time, we could say that. Well, Eric, our guy Josh in Georgetown did. And you know what? It's not crazy.

I love Jane Daniels too. I love them. but Josh Allen is an ex- and Patrick Mahomes are, I didn't even I didn't even think about that. I went to, what does this team need more than anything else on offense? But that's the thing, Kevin.

That's the thing. If Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes are here, you still have the same problem. Yeah, but they haven't needed great receivers. I mean, Josh Allen in particular, now Josh Allen hasn't gotten to a Super Bowl, hasn't won one. but man, he's a great quarterback.

He's gotten just as far as Shane Daniels has. That's true. Good point. Good point. I think I'm going to, Ed, I'm going to fill the void. I'm not going to change partners. You're not going to change partners. You're filling the void with Justin Jefferson.

Did you have a defensive player that you would pick? Well, I mean, I don't want to overthink this. Miles Garrett is as good as any. you know, but, I mean, I just, I mean, I wanted to play with just one player overall, makes the choice more difficult. Yeah. I know I said we would do this on Friday show, but it actually works well right here. Tell everybody off of that topic that I did on radio and what we just talked about right now, tell me what you offered up to me as a question before the show started.

to get recorded today. Well, it occurred to me to go back in time, and if you could pick one of the Washington's three Super Bowl winning quarterback to replace Jane Daniels, would you? So Joe Thaisman. If you would, which one? Doug Williams, Mark Rippin. Yes. We're the three starting quarterbacks on the three Super Bowl winning teams.

would I take one of those three and replace Jaden Daniels with one of those three? Yes. I don't think so. I think I would use Seism. I think I'd replace him with Seism. Well, that would be the choice of the three, for sure. Yeah. Joe would be the choice.

You know, Joe in his... Given his... Given his fierce competitive nature. Yep. Given the fact that he was an NFL MVP. Yeah. I would, I'd pick Joe. I would take Joe over Jaden.

Can I just, I'll just say why I wouldn't, and the reason I wouldn't is I don't consider any one of those three at Jaden's talent level. Now, they all, like, Doug Williams, just for those that don't remember, he had an absolute gun for an arm. He had a big arm. And that's what he was known for when he came out of grambling

and was drafted by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And even in Tampa, I mean, he was, he could really throw the football. By the way, Mark Rippin could really throw the football. Doug had a bigger arm than Rips. But Ripp had a big arm and could throw the deep ball. But of those three, Thysman was the best all-around quarterback. and it's not really debatable.

I don't think so, no. Now, the one thing about Doug Williams is, as impactful as he was in Washington, he took a beating in Tampa. Yeah, well, it was... We never really got to see the best of Doug Williams in Washington. He also led them, along with a great defense. It was a great defense the 79 Tampa Bay Buccaneers were,

but he led, he was the starting quarterback on a Tampa Bay team in 1979 that went to the NFC championship game. That's right. And hosted the NFC championship game in 79 against the L.A. Rams and Vince Farragamo. And the Rams ended up winning that game nine to nothing, Tommy. Nine to nothing.

But in Tampa, they went to the playoffs with Doug at quarterback two or three times. I want to look that up right now because the 79 team, remember, they were the experience. expansion team in 76 they were o in 16. Doug Williams was not the quarterback of that team. You know who did play a little quarterback for that team and who punted a little bit for that team? Steve Spurrier. Yes.

Doug Williams was drafted in the 1978 draft. So his first season in Tampa was 78, and they were coming out of the being terrible phase. And then in 79, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers went 10 and 6. Doug Williams started all 16 games. God, this was just a different time back then. He was the starting quarterback for a team that won the division, had the number one seed in the playoffs in the NFC that year. The 79 season, because I know that they beat Philly and then they lost to the Rams at home.

So it must not have been a great year in the NFC overall. but he threw for 2,448 yards in 16 games, 18 touchdowns, 24 interceptions. Yeah. That was year two for him. So they went to the playoffs in 81 and they went to the playoffs in 82, Tommy. He started in four playoff games in Tampa. He was the starting quarterback for three playoff teams in, four seasons.

And then he came here in 87 after being in the USFL for a few years. And obviously, the rest is history. 3 and O is a playoff quarterback, Super Bowl MVP in the 42 to 10 win over the Broncos.

Man, Doug had an interesting career. Interesting career for sure. All right. So you would take thighs, I think I'd stick with Jaden, even though Thysman would be a tough guy to turn down. Look, Joe was the MVP in 83. Joe had really good seasons in 79, 84, you know, the 82 season, obviously. It's a tough call.

I think I'd stick with Jaden. I would stick with Shane. All right, we got a little more show left. We'll get to the Nats and maybe another thing or two, after these words from a few of our sponsors. This segment of the show brought to you by My Bookie if you want to bet on NFL futures, prop bets for the upcoming season. My God, My bookie's got so much to offer.

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It's nothing, nothing here early in the game. Last night, a heartbreaking loss, Tommy. They gave up a home run in the eighth to Goodman, and they lost eight to seven. But my God, C.J. Abrams had two more home runs. He's got four homers in the last four games. In the last three games, excuse me. In case anyone was worried about his post-all-Star game letdown. That's not happening.

That's not happening. The Nats are the only team in Major League Baseball with two players ranked in the top ten. of home with home runs. Right now, Abrams has 24 and James Wood has 28. They're the best offensive team in baseball runs wise. And this is what I would ask you, because I've had some baseball guests on the radio show this week. Let's just say that, you know, they decide to, you know, add a bullpen pitcher or two. Not, you know, they're not going all in and they're not going to do that. We all know that. But let's just say that they keep everything they have, including Foster Griffin, who's been sensational.

Do they have enough offense to scare people if they were to get into a short series? I think so. Now, pitching tends to be, starting pitching tends to be more important in a short series. And bullpen pitching, all pitching, tends to be more important in a short series. and they'd be at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to that. But, you know, the offensive, if nothing else, the offense has proved that it's too powerful to keep this team from falling into the abyss. Right.

They don't seem to be able to lose four or five games in a row because they're just too good a hitting team. Yeah. And there's enough bad pitching going around the league that they can see. off of to keep them from going into a tailspin. Yeah. I asked that question the wrong way. It made it sound like, am I, do I think they have enough offense? What I meant to say is, is their offense so good that it would give them a legitimate chance in the postseason, even without the great starting pitching and without the bullpen? Look, in a short series, if you're going to put Foster Griffin and Cade Cavali out

there. It's not that bad of a one-two. No, it's not. No, it's not. You know, I write about Foster Griffin for tomorrow's Washington Times, and that's an interesting case because he's valuable on the trading block. Okay, he's a rental. He's only signed for one year, so he's not particularly valuable like a T.J. Abrams would be or somebody who'd be under the trading team's control. but in a pennant race in the last two months of the season and then the postseason

to have an arm like that in your rotation is valuable to a lot of teams I know the national what what will be what will drive to Bonnie nuts is

if they keep him and they fall short and they have nothing to show for him yeah this is this is a real difficult call because this guy's developed a market for himself in free agency. Out of nowhere. I mean, you know this, and I think I mentioned it the other day, he just set a franchise

record for the most consecutive games of one earned run or less. Eight straight. I know. I mean, I started looking... Eight straight in Washington. Actually, he's tied the record by Pedro Martinez. going back to the franchise. Right.

Yes. Yeah, for the overall franchise. Yes. I mean, I started to look at my bookies, Cy Young, odds. Now, he's not listed, not yet. But imagine if he had another four or five, one earned run or less starts.

And let's just say he's 15 and 2, and his ERA now is approaching 2.2, something like that. You know, I mean, all of a sudden, I mean, the National League right now has some real, the kid in Milwaukee, the guy in Cincinnati, there are some really outstanding pitching performances this year in the National League. So I'm not saying that he's going to win the Cy Young. I'm just curious as to whether or not he could get himself into the conversation

with another, say, four starts in a row like that. Certainly people would notice. They're already taking notice. I just think that, I just think these opportunities and, It's an unexpected one. A team that is really, really dangerous offensively. And they are sitting there a game and a half out of the third spot, the third wildcard spot. Like you said, more likely than not, their offense is so good, they're not going to go away. They're going to be in this.

This team has, in franchise, has been floundering for seven years. The owners wanted to sell it. They can't get the price for it. I mean, a nice little, you know, wild card three versus six series would be really good for this franchise right now. And I'm not saying that you go all in, but you make sure you don't give away key pieces that would hurt the run. I agree. I agree. Look, if you're in the player development like this new regime is supposed to be, part of player development is that clubhouse right now, it's important for them to play big games in August and September. Right.

That's an important part of player development to give them that experience. To find out who they are. Totally. So, yeah, that's a big part of it. What's interesting, though, about Farr's Griffin, too, is that that could sign them. I guess. They could. Yeah.

They could sign them to a three-year, maybe four-year deal. a three-year deal, he'll be 31 in a couple of days. Right. So you could sign him to a three-year deal. Or he might be, well, he might consider it, or he might want to become a free agent. Right. Here's the problem, though. The upcoming labor battle complicates all these free agent signings coming up.

Because if you're a team, do you want to sign a guy to a contract that if there's a totally new salary structure on the other side will look foolish. Right. Or if you're a player, do you think, well, we're not going to fold. We're not going to put up with a salary cap.

But if somehow we do lose and agree to a salary cap, you know, my ability to earn is going to be affected so I should take money now. That's what it's complicated. The upcoming labor battle is complicating, so many things going into the trading deadline and I think particularly the off season.

All right. Well, today, I mean, Colorado is so bad. You want to get this one today to get a second straight series when coming out of the All-Star break. How about, by the way, just real quickly, how about the Red Sox? Fifteen in a row now. Yeah. I mean, that's, they're putting together like one of those, you know, Billy Bean, Oakland A's winning streaks. Yeah.

What was that number? What was that number? 20. Was it 20? Yeah. I think so. Yeah, they've beaten the Orioles who were on a roll too in two straight games, and they're sitting there in the wild card spot and closing in on Tampa in the American League East.

That division is, I mean, that is just a brutal division. Unbelievable division. Look, the National League East is a really difficult, I mean, Miami, the Nats with as, they're 51 and 51, they're in fourth place. And Miami's lost eight in a row. They were, you know, they were threatening the top of the division there briefly. All right. You got anything else?

I got nothing else for you today, boss.