The Koerner Office - Business Ideas and Deep Dives with Chris Koerner - “Follow Your Passion” Is Terrible Advice - Ep. #316
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Follow your passion is the worst piece of advice I've ever been given in my entire life.
And I've started like 80 businesses.
Entrepreneurship is my entire thing.
It's my hobby, my life, my family, my profession, everything all rolled into one.
And I still think that follow your passion is garbage advice.
And I'm going to tell you why.
And by the end of this episode, I'm going to hand you the exact tactical playbook for finding
the thing you're actually obsessed with.
Because I've seen episodes like this before.
How to follow your passion.
How to find what you love.
And they're good.
I'm inspired by them.
But they're not good enough because they're not.
tactical or specific enough. And that's the kind of guy I am. I want to know what app to download,
what tool to use, what prompt, like, let's get real about this. Because anything less than that
is just guru fluff, high level motivation, like do what you love type stuff. And this is not bad.
This is the episode I wish I always had when I was 20 years old. But if you're 60 years old,
this is still the episode for you because I'm assuming you still haven't found your passion yet or
your obsession yet. So when I say tactical, I mean we're going to dig through your YouTube watch
history, Google search history, Amazon orders, conversations that you've had where you tend to
hijack the whole table and talk for 20 minutes straight and not even notice that you're doing it.
And I'm also going to show you how to use AI to do all this in like 20 minutes instead of
wandering around in the wilderness for the next 20 years. So yes, the best stuff's at the end,
but I'm going to earn it first. Here's the problem with follow your passion. When someone tells you
that they're probably assuming one or two things and both of them are probably wrong. Number one,
They're assuming that you already know what your passion is.
Most people don't.
The vast majority of people don't, which is a crying shame and it doesn't have to be that
way.
And number two, they're assuming that you only have one.
Nobody only has one hobby or one passion, one obsession.
We all have multiple.
Most of us don't even know what they are yet.
So I know a lot of you guys know my backstory.
So I'm going to gloss over this really fast so we can get to the good stuff.
But I just want to set the tone and give you some context as to why I feel like I have
unique insight to offer to this age-old discussion. So I've done iPhone repairs. I sold iPhone LCD screens
and parts. And was iPhone repair my passion? Absolutely not. I'm not an engineering brain. I'm not a tinkerer.
That is not me. I didn't lie in bed a night dreaming about LCD screens. I've worked with RV
parks, tree trimming, online snack business. None of those were or are my life's calling. None of them.
I saw a gap, I moved, and I built the thing.
And a lot of the time, once it was up and running, I'd rather hand it off to a great
operator and go chase down the next puzzle because I'm not a great operator.
It took me way too long to learn this about myself.
But for me, my puzzle is my passion, right?
Going from zero to one, that is my passion.
And one might look like $1 million or $10 million.
It might look like $1.
It still feels amazing to me.
It still gives me that dopamine rush.
we say dopamine like it's a four-letter word, like it's a bad thing.
Dopamine is amazing, but it should lead you to action, not just to information and research
and procrastination.
Dopamine has to lead us to execution, to action.
In this case, to the first dollar hitting our stripe account, that's the thing that I'm
obsessed with.
So of all the 80-plus businesses I've started, which ends up being like, you know, three to eight
a year, the through line on all of those has never been the industry, either like the
macro industry like sales or the micro industry like home services. I don't care about any of those
niches. I love commerce. I love being a merchant. That's why I love farmer's markets because it's like
merchant central. That first customer is what I really love and the industry that I happen to be in
at any given moment is just like the costume that it shows up in any given week. And I want to be straight
with you because I've talked about this a few times before, never this tactically, but my own thinking on this
topic has shifted over the years. There's two schools of thought on this whole passion versus
profit thing, in my opinion. School number one says your passion does not have to be your job.
They can live in two totally separate buckets. Do your job and then do your passion in your
five to nine. Job nine to five, passion, five to nine. And I think for the vast majority of
human history, that was true. And people did not have the luxury of having their passion and
profit overlap. Make your money over here and go love your woodworking over there. I've seen.
said a dozen times on this podcast and others, follow the profit until you can afford to follow
your passion. And from a Utah folks, follow the profit means something else entirely. And you should
do that too. Do the hard thing, the boring thing, the thing that pays, eat crap for a few years,
if you have to, and earn the right to go chase the fun stuff later. But today, we live in a world
where I think School of Thought Number Two is much more feasible and should be possible for anyone
consuming this episode right now. School number two says, no, have your cake and eat it too. You can
build a life where the thing that pays you is the thing you would happily do for free anyway,
or the thing that you would even pay to do. Because we happen to be walking straight into this
AI age of abundance where the cost of trying something, building something, selling, testing
is dropping to basically zero. It used to take serious money and years to chase down some weird
little obsession, only to see, maybe does it have legs or not. But now you can spin up a website
or an app, write the copy, make the video, test the offer all in one afternoon.
I mean, geez, just yesterday, I'm on Twitter, and I see this AI generated video that looked very good, very real, of a guy building like a miniature house with like miniature concrete and rebar and two by fours and shingles and everything.
Elon commented on it.
This guy had 500 Twitter followers.
He's not an influencer.
He's nobody, right?
Elon commented on it.
It got seven million views.
And I'm pretty sure this guy that posted it Ethan got the idea from my episode because I posted about this in a real year ago.
We talked about it on MFM about like a guy dollhouse.
This should be an actual business and not just a hobby.
And I think I haven't talked to him yet.
I think he was inspired by that.
And he launched a Kickstarter.
He had $0 in funding, but he just made this AI generated video, tweeted it out to the void.
Remember, almost no followers.
Elon comments gets a bunch of views.
He's raised $50,000 so far.
He has a viable business.
Like he launched a viable business with an AI generated video and no followers.
That's the world we live in.
Anyone can do that.
So that'll trade off of money in one bucket, passion in the other is breaking down in real time.
more and more of us every day are getting to combine those two buckets into one. And that's the bet I'm
making right now, both in my life and on this one episode. And it's the bet I want you to be making two.
Hey, if this is helpful, please sit subscribe on whatever platform, Apple, Spotify, YouTube. I appreciate you.
So here's something that kind of blew my mind the first time I heard it. The word passion.
Where do you think that word comes from? It comes from the Latin word for suffering.
Passion literally means suffering. It's not an accident. So when people tell you to follow your passion,
what they should actually be telling you is go find the thing you're willing to suffer for because that's the real signal.
It's not the thing that feels amazing on a sunny Saturday when you drink in your hand and know where to be.
Anyone loves that. Of course we do. I'm talking about the thing where you will eat crap for two years straight and keep showing up anyway.
And it doesn't feel like eating crap. This is the thing where the bad days still feel better than a good day doing something else.
My dad used to always say, bad day of fishing is still better than a good day in the office.
That's what I'm talking about. All this passion advice tells you to sit down, close your eyes, journal, meditate, reflect, look inward, find yourself. And that's a really good waste of a really good afternoon. You're not going to think or reflect your way to obsession. You've got to catch it in the act. And the thing is, your obsession is already leaving fingerprints all over your life. You just never dusted for him. You've never gone looking for them. You've got to become a detective of your own behavior. And that, that right there is what every single one of these tactics are.
It's you dusting your own life for fingerprints, okay?
Just so you know, I'm not up here pretending that I have all this figured out.
I've said this a million times.
I probably say it too much.
I'm an introvert.
I have ADHD.
I don't like leaving my office.
I don't love talking to people in person.
And for years, the idea of posting short form video, putting my face on camera,
gave me anxiety.
It's cringe.
It's embarrassing.
And don't worry, if you think I'm about to tell you that you need to post content to
follow or find your passion, that's not what I'm about to say.
That could be a small piece in this.
that it's a small piece. But one day, it clicked. And honestly, I'm glad it clicked by one of my videos
going viral because if I posted 30 videos and none of them went viral, I probably would have stopped.
Thankfully, like my 17th or so went viral. And it was like, oh, still cringe, still worried about
what people think. But my love of this dopamine and upside is now outweighing my dislike of this cringe.
Okay. There's a whole world on the other side of cringe. And whether you end up posting content or not,
you're still going to have to get over that.
You're going to have to get over the cringe thing because people either will talk or you're going to think that people are talking.
And really it's the same thing.
They're probably not talking.
But if you think they are, then it doesn't matter.
You got to get over the cringe aspect, whether you're posting about it on the internet or not.
Because people will know about you doing something differently.
Right.
So you just got to push through the friction.
If I can do it, you can do it.
Okay.
Back to the playbook.
Here's the tactics.
I call this the obsession audit.
I need to buy that domain name, actually.
I mean, this could be a business.
You can see my ADHD playing out in real time right here.
Okay, Obsessionaudit.com is available.
I'm buying it right now, so you can't take it from me.
I don't know what I'll do with it, but who knows?
Anyway, the Obsession Audit, number one, receipts.
Here's the deal.
Your real interests are already sitting in your accounts.
You just got to go read them back to yourself.
So open up your YouTube watch history.
Right now, last 90 days, what do you go down rabbit holes on at 11 p.m.
When nobody on earth is making you do this.
That's a tell.
Then go look at your Google search.
history. Then, and this one's going to sting a little, your Amazon order history and your bank
statement. And if you didn't know that, you can go to Amazon and you can export a spreadsheet of all of
your Amazon orders. Upload that bad boy to chat, GPT, and it's going to tell you all kinds of stuff.
And of course, your bank statements. Why not? Where are you spending your money that you don't have to
spend? Not the air filters, right, or the bottles of water, your discretionary income, because
people are likely to fund their real obsession even when they're flat broke. This is the stuff that
you're buying when nobody's watching and maybe you can't afford it. That stuff doesn't lie. So AI,
AI can turn this from a boring like journaling exercise into a 10 minute superpower. Go to Google
takeout. In fact, I've got to pulled up right here in another tab. It's takeout.com.
Export your YouTube history. It's free or just screenshot a few pages of it. Drop it into chat,
GPT, Claude, Grock, it doesn't matter. And you give it a prompt that goes something like,
hey, here's 90 days in my YouTube watch history, ignore the random junk, like, you know, how to fix your
appliance, that's an outlier. Show me the three obsessions hiding in here that I'd probably
never want to admit to myself out loud. That's the prompt. And then just watch what it spits back
you. It's going to see patterns about you that you are way too close to see yourself or you don't want
to see yourself, right? We're very biased creatures. Then do the exact same thing. Same prompt with
your bank statement, Amazon export, hand it to AI and say categorize my discretionary spending and tell
me what I clearly care about based on where my money is actually going. And boom, that's going to be
self-portrait that you didn't even know existed. Number two, the hijack test. Okay, I know there's at
least one topic where you grab the steering wheel of the conversation and you don't even realize
you've been talking for 20 minutes straight. Your friends know exactly what this is. You probably
don't because you're too busy doing it. So text five people who know you the best right now
and ask them one question, what do I not shut up about? Just that. I promise the answers are
going to cluster up. There's going to be like three that say some version of the same thing.
And that thing is pointing you at your obsession.
And the AI version of this is kind of wild, by the way.
If you've got like six plus months of text, notes, voice memos where you're rambling to yourself in a car, journal entries, whatever, feed a chunk of that into the AI and ask it, what topics do I keep circling back to?
It's like having a less of a biased friend with perfect memory of everything you've ever said and zero reason to be polite about the answer.
Number three, the childhood callback.
Okay, think back to when you were eight to 12 years old, right?
before the world got its hands on you and told you what was useful and what was a waste of time.
What did you do for hours that nobody had to ask you to do?
I remember as a kid watching like a whale watching video.
And for whatever reason, I connected that to being a park ranger, like a game warden.
Okay.
And I was like, I want to be a game warden.
And I loved going behind my house in Logan, Utah, and looking for animal tracks and catching frogs and trout fishing and setting traps.
And I had this nerf, bow and arrow, and I would shoot pheasants with it.
Never hit one.
But like, to this day, I love just going out in the woods and doing stuff, setting traps and
whatever.
That is one of my obsessions that I could monetize.
And it went dormant for decades.
But it's there.
There's an almost zero percent chance that whatever it is you were obsessed with at that
age completely went away.
And you have no interest in it anymore.
I'm not talking about like three to seven years old when you love cars and dinosaurs.
is like, I'm specifically talking about like eight to 15ish, okay? Because around 14, 15,
high school takes over, the opposite sex, sports, whatever, and that obsession stuff kind of takes
a backseat. Kind of like it's taken a backseat in your career so far, right, which is a shame.
What did you get in trouble for as a kid, right? That's usually your gift showing up way too early
before you even knew what direction to aim it in. Talk too much in class. That could be sales.
That could be content. That could be anything. I'm kind of a closeted class clown.
If you put me in a class full of close friends, I'm going to be the biggest extrovert in the world.
Were you the kid that took everything apart just to see how it worked?
That's building you, right?
Were you bossing other kids around on the playground?
That's leadership.
Your teacher just didn't have a nicer word for it yet.
Number four, the energy log.
This one takes like two weeks, but it's stupidly powerful.
So hang with me.
For two weeks, every time you finish an activity, okay?
It's a little tedious, but it's worth it.
It might be more effective than everything I mentioned so far.
every time you finish an activity, rate it 1 to 10 on one single question.
How do I feel right now after doing this?
Or this question, how much energy did that task give or take away from me?
Not while you're doing the task, but after right when you finish.
Because here's the truth.
Most things drain you.
And that's normal.
It's fine.
We're here to work, right?
You want to hunt for the rare thing that should be draining you but is leaving you with more
gas in the tank than what you started with.
More energy.
A net energy positive.
if you will. That's the green flag. And while you're at it, go ahead and track your time distortion.
What's the activity where you look up and three hours just vanished? It felt like 20 minutes.
That's flow, right? That's what you're in the flow. And that's right next door to obsession.
So keep it all in your notes app and at the end of the two weeks, paste the entire thing into the same
AI chat window where you're already talking to it about this stuff and say, find the pattern.
Tell me what charges me up and what drains me. And AI is going to spot up probably long before you do.
Number five, this one's a little uncomfortable.
So brace yourself.
There's no comfort in the growth zone.
The envy map.
What do you scroll and pass on Instagram and feeling a hot little flash of jealousy?
For me, it's like homesteading.
I see people like raising chickens and quail and like organic compost in their backyard.
And it's like, I want to do that.
I could do that, but I'm just not, right?
That's a signal.
But I'm being specific here.
We're not talking about admiration.
Okay.
That's kind of useless for this exercise.
I want that ugly sting.
the one where you go, ugh, that should be me.
Like, let's say you were in a high school band and you went to college and one of your bandmates
stuck with a dream, joined another band, and now he's touring around the country in stadiums.
Ugh, that should be me.
I was a better guitarist than he was the whole time.
Something like that.
Obviously, that's very niche.
Not likely to be the case for you, but you get what I'm saying.
Write down five people who give you that exact feeling.
Maybe they're old friends from high school.
Maybe they're current friends.
Maybe they don't know who you are.
Doesn't matter. Maybe they're an influence. It doesn't matter. Their life, their work, their business,
whatever it is, you can find out about them. And then look for the pattern across all five.
Because that jealousy is not random. And it's not a character flaw. I'm not saying we should be
jealous, but we can at least learn from that feeling. That sting is your obsession kind of like
waving its arms in the air trying to get your attention. We feel envy toward people who are living
the life. Some like quiet part of us already decided that we want.
Guys, I want to tell you about something I've been building behind the scenes.
You've been watching my videos about AI tools and asking the same question.
Okay, cool.
How do I turn this into a business?
Not just playing around with AI, but actually getting clients and getting paid.
That's my community.
It's called Playmakers.
Playmakers AI.com.
It's an AI agency program where we show you how to start an AI consulting business
where you can charge local businesses $500 to $5,000 a month to set up and manage AI tools for them.
It's not a course you watch and forget about.
We do three to six.
seven live training calls every week taught by me and 23 other expert AI agency owners.
You get plug and play templates, cloud code tutorials, AI voice agent frameworks, automation
templates, and a 30-day roadmap so you don't fall off track.
This is stuff you can just copy, paste, and deploy for clients on day one.
And of course, how to find clients as well.
We also have a five-day first client challenge where we can walk you through landing your
first paying client in five days.
You also get my frameworks for cold email, Facebook ads, SMS, cold calls.
And then I had you my leads galore spreadsheets with actual leads in your niche, in your area.
We've already got over 200 people in there building real agencies.
If you miss a live call, it's all recorded.
So if you've ever thought about starting an AI consulting business or AI implementation business,
go check out Playmakers AI.com.
Number six, the 100 questions dump, sit down and write out 100 questions that you genuinely want the answer to before you die.
Yeah, hundreds a lot.
Doesn't need to be business or money focused.
But the whole point is it needs to be a lot.
The first 20 are going to be surface level garbage, right?
This is the stuff you think you're supposed to care about.
Push through it to 60, 70, 80, 100.
And the real answers are going to be in like the deep cuts where your brain is like
finally running out of the polite surface level answers and it'll start telling you the
truth.
And this, this is a perfect job for AI.
Open a voice memo, ramble out 100 questions while you're driving around, dump the transcript
into AI and say, cluster these into themes and tell me.
which theme shows up the most.
That biggest cluster.
That's the thing your brain can't stop chewing on even when you're not paying attention.
And number seven, this is the teach it for free filter.
What's the one thing you would happily make a whole video about or explain to a stranger next to you on an airplane for zero bucks?
Just because you physically cannot make yourself shut up about it.
That's your obsession hiding in plain sight.
And you do it for free.
That's the whole point.
And the stuff you would teach for free is often the same.
stuff that people will eventually pay good money for, especially if they can see your passion
and zeal for it. That's how this whole podcast started like 262 episodes ago. Number eight
is the big one because the other seven are about like reading the clues that you already have
sitting around. But the last one is going to go out and generate brand new ideas. So you're going to
go wide here and fast. You can't think your way to your obsession. I said that at the beginning.
you find it by trying 30 things badly, right? You kind of got to fail in small ways a lot. Most people
are trying two or three things their whole entire life. And I want you to try two or three things a month.
Give yourself full permission to quit fast without any stakes. We don't want you to feel guilty about quitting.
Quitting is like one step closer to success. You're not getting married to any of these ideas.
You're just dating. We're dating around. And the goal is like reps. Okay. And the cheat code inside the cheat code is
something I say a zillion times on this podcast, sell it before you have it. Run the ad before you build
the product, right? This kid post this video on Twitter before he really had anything, 50,000 bucks,
and Elon retweet. Amazing. Post the offer before you own a single piece of equipment. It drives me
insane. I just talked to a guy that wanted to start a forestry mulching business. The first thing he did
was go out and buy a mulcher that costs like 113 grand. And he's ready to finance the whole thing
before he's talked to one single customer. To him, it was easier and less scary to talk to a bank
about borrowing the money than it was to talk to Joe Blow with seven acres that has some
kudzu that needs to be removed. It's backwards. Run the ad first, post on Facebook marketplace next
door, see if your phone rings, and the market is going to tell you the truth way faster than your
feelings ever will. And while we're here, one bonus move that ties this all together. Post your
stuff publicly, okay? Like just do it. The experiments, the ugly versions, all of it. Yeah, it means
that people are going to see the ones that fail, but they're probably not going to remember them.
Who cares? I'm still doing this. I've launched things in the last six months that millions of people have
seen that have failed or been abandoned. I don't give a crap. They don't either. They forgot for the most
part. The downside is, yeah, someone's going to watch you fail. And that's not a real downside.
So we've got a finite limited downside and an unlimited upside. Posting publicly keeps you accountable.
And I am like, I'm on this heater of an obsession with accountability lately. I had to film a couple
videos just last week and I'd been procrastinating them for 10 days and they were important videos.
And my team was like, Chris, come on, come on, come on. And I was busy, but I had the time, right?
I just kept doing other less important things. And finally, I woke up last Friday and I said,
if I don't film all three of these videos, which was like a five hour process to do this,
this was on a Friday. If I don't film all three of these videos by the end of today, midnight
central standard time, I will give each of you guys 100 bucks. Everyone in this group chat 100 bucks.
You know what? I did them. And I probably, I, I don't.
definitely would not have done them that day had I not said that. I attach stakes to it. Right. We need
stakes. We need accountability. And business idea, someone needs to invent an app that productizes that
stakes, right? Where you like, you connect your credit card and it's like, hey, maybe you connect your
inbox as well. And it's like, if I don't get to inbox zero every Tuesday by 3 p.m., donate $100 to this
charity or whatever, or send $100 to whatever. It works. Okay? And posting publicly is another way of
accountability. It puts eyes on you. And eyes on you means finding customers and partners finding
you instead of you having to chase them down. And remember, every time you hit publish, it's like a
free lottery ticket, right? We're playing the lottery here, but it's free. So play it as many times as you can.
And last thing, this is one I actually want you to remember if you forget every other word I just said.
Everybody treats obsession like it's a buried treasure, like it's this one perfect thing sitting
out there fully formed and you just have to go wander around.
on the map until you trip over it. But that is wrong. That's not how it works. This thinking keeps
people stuck for years. The truth is that it took me way too long to learn. Obsession is something
that gets built. You got to start with a seed of passion, but you really get obsessed with the things
you get good at. Think about anything that you love. You probably didn't love it on day one when you
were terrible at it. You got a little bit good. That felt great. Then you did more. You got better.
and somewhere in there the interest turned into obsession and the passion followed the progress,
but it doesn't ever start the other way around. So all these tactics I just gave you,
those are for picking a direction, but once you have a direction pointed, the move is simple.
Pick the thing that gives you the smallest win, the fastest, right? Dave Ramsey would call
his baby steps. He wants people to pay off their smallest debt first, even if it has a lower
interest rate because momentum is very real. Remember,
Focus is overrated, momentum is underrated.
We want to do little things, low-hanging fruit things that keep us momentum.
You want to stack two or three wins.
And then you want to let getting good do the heavy lifting that motivation was never going
to work for anyway, right?
It's a muscle.
You work it out and it grows.
And the final filter of all this, the real one, is stop asking yourself, what do I love?
Start asking, what am I willing to suffer for?
Okay.
Remember, full circle here.
Passion means suffering. Everybody wants the highlight reel of being obsessed, but nobody wants the
boring, grindy, like nobody's clapping, three in the morning and middle part. But the real question
is not like, what makes you happy? It's what bad days doing one thing beat a good day of doing
anything else. Find that and you found your obsession. And that is the only one that ever actually
pays. So start by being a detective this week. Pull up your YouTube history test, you know,
text your five friends write the hundred questions let chatypity find the pattern that you're too
close to to see then go try something today remember let dopamine lead to action not information gathering
do this stuff before you're ready because you're already way more ready than you think you are and yes like
guys business is hard okay finding this stuff is hard but you've probably heard the old adage choose
your hard being overweight is hard eating healthy is hard right choose your hard short term hard or long
term hard i choose short term hard but you are capable you
You can do it. It's doable. If a kid like me who just didn't want to be broke anymore can stumble
into 80 businesses and find the thing that I will happily do until I die, then you can absolutely
do that for yourself. Oh, and fun fact, in the day or two that elapsed between when I recorded this
and when you're listening to this, I went ahead and vibe coded this really cool tool called
Obsession Audit. And you can find it at obsessionaudit.com. I promise you, I was not intending to do that
when I started recording this episode. But bias for action, I got to do it. So it's free. And it should help
this process go a little smoother for you. But of course, you could still do it yourself, just a little more
clunky. If you know someone that is lacking in obsession or happiness or fulfillment or motivation
or in a crappy job, please send this to them. It could literally change their lives. You can have your
cake and eat it too. I promise. I promise you. It's going to take some work, some effort,
some testing, some launching, a lot of failing, but I promise you it will be worth it. I'm laughing
on myself because I almost just said, and I say this in the name of Jesus Christ, amen. That was
really weird. I've never almost said that as if I'm closing a church talk or a prayer. I'm clearly
deeply ingrained with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and it shows. So thanks for
listening, hanging out on the corner office. You guys are awesome.