The Koerner Office - Business Ideas and Deep Dives with Chris Koerner - Forget AI. These Offline Hustles Make $10K - Ep. #311
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He'd make like 20 to 30K a job.
That was like his average job.
And you could set up a job in a day.
Yeah.
He made several hundred grand while doing it.
And then sold the company for 600 grand 18 months later,
which he said he now regrets because he sold it because he was bored.
He actually wasn't doing anything.
Yeah.
It was too passive because all the panels were just rented out,
which is like the dream of most people.
Right.
I love it because you pay off all your equipment in like one to six rentals.
Yeah.
And after that,
It's just gravy.
It's a great side hustle.
Yeah.
Or it could scale if you want to scale.
Yeah.
So for max two days at the very start and two days at the very end, you're working.
Yeah.
And for the rest, you're just collecting a check.
There's no maintenance.
This could be a business that you don't need any money to start.
My oldest kid, when he was about 15 and a half, he started thinking about buying his own car.
He thought I was going to buy it for him.
I said, no, I had to buy my first vehicle.
I feel like it taught me a lot of stuff.
And then we looked on B stock, started tracking different auctions.
We found a rug auction and I'm like, you want to win this thing?
And so we won the auction.
And as of this last week, he bought his first car.
So he is.
No way.
Yeah, he's pumped.
Does AI have you bummed out all these terms, acronyms that you don't understand?
That's fine because today we're going to talk about five different business ideas
where you can make $10,000 in either a year, a month, a week, or a day, and they're all off.
line. No AI stuff, no internet stuff. This is sweaty startup type stuff. Please enjoy. Tell me about your
temporary fence friend. Yeah, so I have a friend that started a temporary fence rental business in a
suburb of Sacramento, not a big town where he focused. And he had no domain expertise at all
before starting this. And, but he's a smart guy and he's a good salesman. And so he started, he decided to do
it. And so the first thing that you do is you have to buy the panels. You have to buy the temporary
fence things. Like chain link fence? I think mostly he did like plastic. So they'd be like plastic
barriers and then the panel between. Okay. Yeah. And they're like 12 feet apart. And you know,
you got the, so you just put those. Protect the job site. Yeah. And then you put the plastic
channels. Yeah. So, so he bought those. I don't know how many feet he bought. But he bought enough.
So there's obviously costs.
I don't think you have to buy them before you get your first job.
You just have to be ready to buy them when you do get your first job.
Probably want to make money on your first job.
Yeah.
And then how he would get his customers is he would just go to construction sites that are new
that didn't have any temporary fencing up yet.
And he would just say, do you want a temporary fence?
I'll rent you mine for cheap.
And he would start making bank.
And he did this.
They're about to buy it from somewhere.
Yeah, because they need it.
Yeah.
It's like a liability thing.
Well, it's a legal thing too.
They're probably like zoning laws.
Yeah.
So you have a hot buyer.
Like they know they need it.
They don't have it yet.
Worst case scenario is they already paid for something
that hasn't shown up yet, I guess.
But I would assume legally like, oh, if you start construction,
you need within X amount of days, you need your fence up.
That's probably the rule.
If you wanted, you could, like anyone in the world
can see building permits.
when they're filed.
Those are filed days, weeks, or months before they ever show up on the job site.
So you could get way ahead of it.
Yeah.
Yeah, you totally could.
So, yeah, he didn't even do that version of it.
He was just literally when he would drive around and when he would see a new construction
site, he would go there, he'd go to the little mobile, you know, whatever that thing is,
the trailer set up and find the person in charge.
And then he'd pitch it and then he would sell it.
And then he would charge by the foot and then sort of length of time.
So the longer you have it, be less per square foot.
and he would charge like four bucks.
Linear foot or linear foot.
He would charge like four bucks a foot and then maybe eventually
he'd get down to like two bucks a foot if they had it for a longer amount of time,
which he said was super, everybody knows in construction,
things always take longer than you think.
So you get this passive income that just really starts to add up
because the amount of work you have to do on this job,
other than make the sale, is setting up the fence and then whatever,
eight months later taking down the fence.
Yeah, it's active on the front end.
Yeah.
Active months or years later.
Yeah.
Right?
If you build a commercial building, it could take two to four years even.
Yeah.
So for max two days at the very start and two days at the very end, you're working.
Yeah.
And for the rest, you're just collecting a check.
There's no maintenance.
You don't have to clean these things.
You don't have to remove them.
If they like accidentally hit it with a tractor, they just move it back anyway.
It's their job too.
And yeah, you have to buy the panel, whatever, enough panels.
Yeah.
you have to buy the temporary fence.
But other than that, there's no extra ongoing costs of any kind.
And he started growing it.
And he was making, I asked him, he'd make like 20 to 30K a job.
That was like his average job.
And you could set up a job in a day.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Depending on how big your crew is.
Yeah.
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And he started it.
in like the summer of a couple years ago.
Well, he made several hundred grand while doing it
and then sold the company for 600 grand
18 months later,
which he said he now regrets
because he sold it because he was bored.
Honestly, probably bored that he actually wasn't doing anything.
Yeah.
Because all the-
It was too passive for him.
It was too passive.
Yeah.
Because all the panels were just rented out.
All the panels he had bought were on jobs.
Yeah.
So he's literally doing nothing.
You get to a point where you got
either like triple down and keep buying more and more
or other panels or you just start
cash and checks. Yeah. It was
literally too passive for him. So he's
like, I'm just going to sell the company. So he sold the
company, 600 grand.
After 18 months of
very passive. Yeah.
Yeah. After months of passive work
that became too passive, which
is like the dream of most people.
Right. Yeah. So let's like, let's
crunch the numbers. You said four bucks
per linear foot. So I have
a two acre property that is 9,000.
100 feet by 100 feet, right?
It's very long and narrow.
Okay.
So 900 by 100.
So if he were to set up temporary fencing
on my property, two acre property,
which is not unreasonable at all
for a commercial property.
Yeah.
That's 1,000 linear feet times four,
so that would be $4,000.
Yeah.
So to get to 10 in a day, you need like a five acre lot.
Yeah.
Right?
Yeah.
You would need a five acre lot
of temporary fencing to fencing
to fence off the whole thing.
I would assume these are monthly numbers
that he was charging.
Oh, really?
Oh, and it comes down based on,
yeah.
Oh, wow.
Okay.
Yeah.
So, for yours,
you're saying it'd be $4,000 a month.
Yeah.
So if it's a 10 month project,
yeah.
You're not collecting 10,000 cash in a day
in this, if we want to get technical,
you're signing a $10,000 contract
that you collect over 10 months
and you're doing the work for it in a day.
If we really want to get tiki-tucky.
Yeah, true.
But some of these are bigger
where they might pay you,
up front the 10k right away or more or you just you give them a discount to pay up front yeah
because yeah he said his average was 20 30k a job so I bet a lot of them were like 75% up front
25% at the end or 50 50 or something so we could sit here and talk about like oh you got to make this
AI agent that goes but like really get in your truck or car and go talk to these job sites yeah
drive around or when you're going out to dinner keep an eye out on what what looks like it's
going to start soon, what construction site looks like it's going to start soon.
Yeah.
Call it.
They all, I feel like they all have the big old banner.
Like, ah, whatever.
Kerner Construction and the big old phone number, right?
Call that number and say, hey, I saw your thing.
I saw the site.
I saw you don't have the temporary fencing.
Yeah.
I've actually got the best rates in the city.
Who do I talk to?
And don't go buy your fencing first.
Sell your first job.
Yeah.
Then go buy your fencing.
Yeah.
You probably need all that money to buy your first fencing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So theoretically, this could be a business that you don't need
any money to start. If you get paid up front,
a lot of ifs, right? Yeah, yeah.
But still. Yeah, totally. That's a banger.
Yeah. All right, so I've got an
interesting one for you. I was on Facebook Marketplace,
and there's a guy that makes
mini, mini, mini, golf holes. Okay.
Mini, mini, or many, mini, mini?
Mini, mini, right? They are mini golf holes that are portable
and smaller than a normal mini golf holes.
Okay. So they're mini, mini golf holes. Yeah.
And picture like, you know,
four two by fours in like a rectangular
frame, call it like six feet by three feet or eight feet by three feet. And then you've got like
astroturf down the middle and you've got like some obstacles. And it's just sitting on plywood.
And so he sells these for hundreds of dollars, maybe even close to a thousand dollars each. So if you
wanted your own 18 whole mini golf course, theoretically, you could buy 18 different ones from him.
He has different designs and patterns. But his biggest business is renting them out to weddings, events,
parties, et cetera, for $300 per hole per day, which is less than the cost of materials, right?
Yeah, yeah.
So he rents this thing out once on Facebook Marketplace.
His customer acquisition channel is free because it costs nothing to post them.
Yeah.
And it paid for.
And anything after that is just gravy.
Yeah, that's awesome.
That's a super fun idea, too, as like somebody who I don't throw events, but if I were to,
that would be a very fun thing to have at the event.
Oh, yeah.
Very unique.
Yeah, it is.
I think it would be a hit.
And to, you know, math into this $10,000 a month, you basically need to rent out $35 of them.
If it's $300 a piece.
35 holes.
35 holes or one hole 35 times, which is less likely.
We're just two sets of 18 holes and you're good.
Yeah.
And you've got 10 grand.
And your first month, let's say you do that your first three months, you pay off all your
materials.
After that, it's basically net profit.
It's your time.
It's your gas money posting for free to Facebook marketplace.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's awesome.
This is in Dallas, Fort Worth.
There's 8 million people here.
I'm sure it could support more than one guy doing it.
Yeah.
I'm sure Utah could support a handful of people doing this.
Yeah, that's a good idea.
Yeah, that could totally do 10K in a month.
Yeah.
Okay, off of that, I saw very recently, like this week, for the first time ever,
it is some RV resort or something, but this is just like an amenity there that you could
do a version of this for too, which is they had a mini golf course.
at this RV thing in like Arkansas,
but it's all cornhole,
which I've never seen before.
So it's just a bunch,
it's not as fancy as golf,
because with golf,
you need to have the thing where the,
you know, the ball goes in and around and through and whatever.
So this is just a bunch of cornhole,
what do you call them, boards, holes, yeah,
and then your bag.
And then so you just go from thing to thing,
and they have like obstructions.
I'll send you the thing.
So you've got to,
like put it here, whatever. They have obstructions where you kind of have to throw it around or over
or through and so it's like themed or whatever, but it looks super fun. Man, one's never played
cornhole mini golf before. Yeah. And so they had, I don't remember if his nine or 18 holes,
but it looks amazing. And I bet the cost of that would be even cheaper because you can get a
cornhole board, you can make them even cheaper, just thing a plywood and a stand in a hole.
But you could buy them for like 30 bucks off Amazon. So you see a handful of those.
handful of bags. You don't need a ton of bags because you just walk with the next bag each time.
I own RV parks. We could like I would pay someone to install these. I don't want to go through
the headache of working out like what obstacles to put. Like yeah, that's one avenue is go to the
RV parks. Yeah. Just show them the website of that RV park. Yeah. I do this for you. Yeah.
I charge $700 per hole. Yeah. Yeah. And it's yours forever. Yeah. And then I'll maintain it.
Maybe there's a small monthly fee to come by and check on. B. YOB. Bring your own bags.
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Or you could do the Facebook marketplace route like this mini, mini golf guy.
Yeah.
You could sell them.
You could just make and sell cornholes, right?
Forget the course.
Yeah, yeah.
Or you could, you could rent them out to events.
Yeah.
Right?
Well, you wouldn't even need, like for a mini golf, you need turf for the ball to roll on before it goes in.
With this, you know anything, you just walk on a path.
Yeah.
So any place that is walkable, grass, gravel, dirt, plop down the board, throw some obstructions there.
That's true.
And you're done.
Oh, man.
That needs to be a more.
than just like one random RV park.
Yeah.
Yeah.
When I saw it, it just came up in my algorithm.
I was hoping because of that, it was in Utah.
But I was sad.
It's in Arkansas.
It will be after people are.
I hope so.
Yeah.
Somebody please do it.
I mean, Utah is the land of copycats.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
So while we're on this Facebook marketplace slash outdoor theme,
what do you know about like outdoor inflatable movie rentals as a business?
I don't know much.
I've seen it a little.
I would as a consumer pay for that.
Yeah, I think that would be good.
What do you know?
So you can buy all of this equipment for $500 to $3,000.
What you need is an inflatable movie screen.
Okay.
And it's just like a bounce house.
Yeah, okay.
You can get it from Alibaba for cheaper.
You can get it on eBay.
You can buy them from whoever else.
But you just plug it into the wall like a bounce house.
Yeah.
And it inflates.
And it's just a big white screen with like a frame around it and it stands up.
And then you can stake it down in case it gets windy.
And then you buy a projector.
You can buy those as cheaply as like 50 bucks.
I wouldn't suggest that for this.
Yeah.
You can buy nice ones.
We bought like a really nice one for our family.
That's like a smart projector.
It has all the apps, like all the Roku apps on it.
Oh, that's cool.
Those are like two or three hundred bucks.
Okay.
And then a Bluetooth speaker.
Okay.
And you can get those nice, like nice ones for 100 bucks, like a stand-up Bluetooth speaker.
Maybe two for each side of it.
Yeah.
And backyard parties, birthday parties, events, like neighborhood stuff, HOA stuff.
I just went to an HOA party.
and they rented one of these for the kids to watch while everyone else was like eating food.
Oh, yeah, that's fun.
There's a few companies that scaled this to multiple millions and tens of millions of dollars.
Oh, that's crazy.
So there's one in California called Fun Flicks.
They're like a franchise.
They have over 40 locations.
Southern Outdoor Cinema.
They're in Atlanta.
They do three to four million a year in revenues.
In revenue.
They've been in business for 17 years.
There's one in Austin that has 20 other locations outside of Austin.
I just, I love it because it's much like the, um, the mini golf businesses, you, you pay off all your
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Yeah. Or it could scale if you wanted. Yeah. Well, and you lightly mentioned bounce house.
Everybody knows bounce houses. Everybody knows like the blow up obstacle course versions of bounce houses
and stuff. And I've rented those for some kids' birthday parties over the
years. I'm amazed how much money those guys still make too. And yeah, you have to pay up front for the
big old bounce house things. But every time I return mine, there's a line. I'm waiting in a line
behind everybody else's return because everybody's always returning them like Saturday night because
the party was like Friday night or Saturday day. And it's always like, oh, you got to return it by
8 p.m. or whatever, at least the one I get it from. So there's always this massive line. The things are
frankly not, well, the companies don't seem that well run. Yeah. The things don't even seem like
that well taken care of. I don't clean them in between. Yeah. And they're raking in the cash. Yeah.
Every weekend. Yeah, sure, it's a little like weather dependent, but depending where you're at,
you can make a ton of money with that still. I did a deep dive on the bounce house business last
year. We'll link to that. But that's one thing that she said. Like, if you just clean your
balance houses between every rental, you will be in the top 10%. And just say that. That's it. Say we
clean it every time because I that's my main hesitancy in doing it as a as a dad he's like oh those things are gonna be gross yeah yeah and they are and in this new world of AI I think people are going to treasure real outdoor in-person experiences more than ever yeah because the like pushback of being like too online and stuff so I don't necessarily see this slowing down or the outdoor movie or whatever yeah yeah all right so next one now you were telling me a story
and I had to interrupt you because I wanted to hit record first about a family member that buys artwork in Europe.
Tell me a story.
Yeah.
So my wife and I, we like to travel.
And when we travel, we try to find a piece of original art.
Like if we were in a different country for a meaningful amount of time, we'll try to find a piece of original art there that we think could go on like our art.
We have like a section in one of our rooms where it's like our art wall.
It's just stuff from every place we've been.
It's super fun and it's pretty and all that kind of stuff.
Now, how much are you spending on this art?
Like maybe 20 to 60 bucks per.
Okay.
They're almost always, or pretty much always originals.
We try to find originals every now and then we might splurge for one that we like absolutely love and it's already framed.
And then it'd be like 150.
Yeah, but these aren't like big names.
It's not fine art.
Nobody I've ever heard of, yeah.
And it always has to still fit in a suit.
case on the way home. So like it's not going to be huge. It's offline stuff. Yeah.
Like this is not sold online. It's not found online. It's from local artists in whatever area
you're visiting. And ideally we find these in like little nook and cranny type stores like antique
stores, not of course, whatever the version of Walmart is in Italy. Not Hobby Lobby. Yeah. Yeah.
They are originals. Yeah. Okay. So anyway, we love doing that. My sister-in-law recently was on a trip.
in the UK with her husband and kids,
and they were there for a little longer
than just like a quicker trip.
So she had the idea to do this,
but to kind of do it at mini scale, let's call it,
and to then sell them back when she got back into Utah
to use it to pay for her trip.
So that was her thesis.
Put the trip on a credit card.
Yeah.
Also use a credit card to buy artwork.
Uh-huh.
Bring it back home, sell it to pay off the credit card.
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
I don't hate it.
Yeah.
So she, I want to say, bought like,
like 12 to 14 originals.
Okay.
Across the UK, I think it was mostly from Ireland.
And they're stunning.
So it's like Irish countryside, coast, beautiful homes, like little streets, just a bunch of
different ones.
Do you know what she spent on average?
I don't think she's telling that many people how much she actually spent because
she's selling these for like a few hundred bucks each.
Okay.
And some even a little higher than that.
So she's probably paying like 50 to 100 bucks.
I'm guessing.
Yeah, or maybe more towards the 50.
I'm sorry, sister.
Yeah, don't watch this.
Friends of her, please.
But whatever.
Like, she did the work.
Even if she bought it for 50 and is selling for 400, I can't just be like, oh, well,
I'm just going to go there and buy it for 50.
Yeah.
Well, then I have to fly out there and find the store.
Yeah.
And, like, right, that's not feasible.
So I don't think it's wrong in any way to buy something for 50 and sell it for 400.
It is worth, art is worth whatever anyone wants to pay for it.
Yeah.
Anyway, we're going to buy one from her that she is about to sell because she kind of just like sells it in waves.
And she has an Instagram account that is set up that is just for these.
And they're all super pretty.
They're all original.
It's not like a big Instagram account.
Oh, no, no, no.
It's more just like a personal little side thing.
Yeah, I mean, it probably has a hundred followers or less because she shared it from her personal, right, to say, hey, if you want my art that I bought, go to this new account.
But I think she'll be able to pay for a meaningful part of a longer trip in Ireland.
with her family just from this art because she can probably clear at least a few K
from just these originals that she bought.
A few K from the UK.
There you go.
Jeez.
Yeah.
But I mean, how cool is that?
Like retroactively pay for a trip with the unique stuff you bought in the country.
That's amazing.
It's free vacation plus spending money.
And it takes a little work, but for some people, it's actually not work.
Like, I love going into random little shops.
But dude, like if I'm hurt, I'm gonna, like those shops are listed on Google, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Probably how she found them.
Yeah.
They might not have a website even.
Yeah.
You could find them online.
Yeah.
I would just call them up and say, I know this is weird.
My name's so and so.
I live in Dallas, Texas.
Yeah.
I love artwork.
Yeah.
I have no idea what your artwork looks like.
Do you even have artwork?
Yeah, we do.
Can we FaceTime?
Can we like WhatsApp?
Can I see your artwork?
Yeah.
Like I'm willing to buy it.
I'll pay for shipping, right?
Sure.
So we're FaceTime.
that one, that one, that one.
All right, those are 50 bucks each.
I'll take 10 of them.
Could you do 350 for all 10?
Sure.
All right, how much is shipping?
Can you roll it up in a tube?
Shipping's 50 bucks.
That's okay.
I'll pay for it.
You're getting 10.
They're all in the same.
Yeah.
You could scale that without having to fly.
Yeah, you could actually.
Yeah.
There was,
last time I was in the UK was a few years ago.
And we were in, we stayed in the Cotswolds,
which is like two hours west of London.
Anyway, there's a lot of cute little towns there in shops.
and there were tons with amazing art.
And so I didn't think about what you just said,
but I'm going to call one of them.
Yeah.
Because some of them were like,
it was too big for us to like fit in our stuff to bring home.
So we just didn't buy them.
Yeah.
But they were cheap and they were beautiful
and they were originals.
They were just too big.
So I should just call them and I'll buy the one or two that we wanted.
And then I'll say, hey, what if I bought like seven more?
Yeah.
Can you give me a discount on shipping or whatever?
And then I'll just try to resell them for fun.
Dude, how about this even better?
Calm up.
You have any artwork?
Cool.
I know this might take you 10 minutes and it's annoying, but I promise I'm an interested
buyer.
Can you just take your iPhone, take pictures, like nice pictures up close of each piece of
artwork you have and text them to me, what's happened to me, whatever?
Yeah.
Then you list them on Facebook marketplace.
Original artwork from the Cotswolds, right?
$375.
You're saying before I buy them.
Before.
Yeah.
That's it.
Yeah.
Then it's like, hey, shipping, delivery,
could take two to four weeks.
Yeah.
You spend a week selling them,
collecting deposits.
Yeah.
Right?
Yeah.
And then you come back and you say,
hey, remember me?
You sent me the pictures.
Yeah.
I actually have some friends that want to buy these.
Yeah.
You're honestly just telling the truth.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then I'll pay you up front.
Yeah.
Just shipping to me.
Yeah.
I mean, the only downside to that is
you could sell something that was then bought before.
Yeah.
But I think that's going to actually be pretty rare.
Yeah.
Because they probably sit there for months.
Yes.
It's like I'll send your deposit.
it's old. It's no longer available. Yeah. That's going to be rare anyway. And even in that
situation, be like, I've got 10 others ready. Yeah. So yeah. Yeah, that's, that's, yeah. You and or I should do
that. That'd be fun. I should do it for a test video. Like, I should record myself calling these shops and
actually doing that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good idea. So this is 10 grand in a week.
Someone could do this. I think this would be harder. But like, we're talking 30, 30 pieces of artwork for
300 bucks that's nine grand right yeah 40 pieces of artwork so like you'd have to be on the phone
you could do 10 in a week you could have the little instagram account before you could talk about the
pictures you could you know about the paintings all that kind of stuff you could tell people that
you they are all going for sale to the highest bidder the last week of may or whatever and boom
do it yeah yeah i mean i'm just thinking like you don't really gain all that much by flying there
if you're there sure of course but like if you if you make
300 bucks in profit and you buy 10 pieces of art in person, that's your whole trip.
Yeah.
You basically break even, which is still great.
You get a free vacation.
I'm not knocking on that.
Yeah.
But like you don't, usually when you go there in person, kind of like we were talking about
another episode, like your closer rate goes up when you're in person.
But with this in person, it's just like, it's convenient because you're there.
But to fly there purposely just for that, it's not super efficient because you're going
to buy the same piece of artwork anyway.
Yeah.
Maybe because you can see the texture a little better in person, but yeah, yeah.
I like this idea a lot.
Yeah, I like vintage watches.
I'm wearing one right now.
I don't buy them for their resell value,
nor do I buy based off of the brand or whatever,
nor do I even,
I don't even focus on buying ones that are expensive per se.
This one that I'm wearing right now probably costs me,
I can't remember exactly,
but like under 100 bucks.
I just thought it was really cool and it was unique,
and so I wanted to buy it.
you can do the version of this for watches or apparel,
especially if it's in countries like Japan or South Korea,
you know, places in Europe too would work.
Even like Mexico, you could do it from,
just places that have some history and unique creators and stuff like that.
But I think there's lots of different places and ways
to find unique things that if you're there or if you call them up,
if I can find a vintage watch store in Japan and just be like,
hey, can we FaceTime?
Show me your watch collection.
Show me everything you've got that's under 100 bucks
that's like original.
I don't want to see whatever timexes or I don't know,
casios or something.
Just show me all your original Japanese brand stuff
and I'm going to buy some and resell
or send me the pictures and do the Facebook thing.
I think there's a version of this that is really fun
for the person who's doing it
and they're providing value across the board.
They're not just a middleman.
Right.
If you can find a watch in Japan for 40 bucks, send you a picture of it, and then find me on
Facebook marketplace and I'd be willing to pay 80.
Well, everybody wins.
Yeah.
The Japanese store won.
You won.
I win.
We're all happy.
Well, I love this business because it's, there's infinite variables.
There's 300 countries out there.
Yeah.
There's thousands of different types of items.
Yeah.
And there's always going to be arbitrage opportunities.
Yeah.
Right?
It's never going to be like a perfectly.
efficient market between all these. Because like, why not like import from Japan to Hungary? Yeah. You know,
from Poland to Colombia or Argentina. Like it doesn't have to only be to the US. Right. Yeah.
Or Columbia to Poland, like like unique food products. Like Hungary's known for their paprika. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Well, in the algorithms these days, especially if you get into running ads, the algorithms are going to
find, if you're making content on social about what you're doing, the algorithm, the algorithms will find
the people who want what you are doing. Yeah. Yeah.
So if you're making, if you were in Utah selling Japanese watches on Facebook marketplace,
you will pop up in my algorithm.
And even if your video gets 400 views, it's going to be 400 of the right people.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So being willing to do that as well would for sure be key if you want to scale this up a little
bigger.
But yeah, tons of potential here.
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Okay.
So tell me the rug story.
Yeah.
So my oldest kid now just turned 16, but when he was about 15 and a half, he started
thinking about buying his own car.
I told him he had to.
He wanted a car.
He thought I was going to buy it for him.
I said, no, I had to buy my first vehicle.
I feel like it taught me a lot of stuff.
anyway, I'm like, I'm sorry, but I want you to have the same experience.
And at first he was bugged.
And then he came around.
So anyway, he at the time had a part-time job because he's in high school.
He's a sophomore.
He had a part-time job at an indoor swim school.
Okay.
Just teaching little kids how to swim.
He's super good swimmer and all trained and all that in Utah where we live.
And like after taxes get taken out, like I don't know what his actual hourly wages,
but he gets like 11 bucks after all the taxes.
Okay.
That's how he calculates it.
Anyway, so that's what he makes and he works like two days of like six hours and one day of like four hours a week.
Anyway, but this is in November.
I said, do the math on how long it's going to take you to buy a car.
And I started showing him cars for sale on bringatrailer.com, which I love just browsing that site.
And I'm like, now do the math on how long it's going to take you to get the thing that you actually want with your current job.
He did the math and he was not happy.
It would be like, he'd be like 22 years old.
Yeah.
So he's like, well, what should I do?
I'm like, well, I've been telling you forever. Like, you should do your own thing. Like,
you can, there are different ways to make money. So I showed them like 10 episodes of yours.
We just listened to them actually while driving home from Vegas, just 10 in a row. And I was like,
how about this? And here he had listened to you before at least some episodes. So I'm like,
let's just listen to Chris. And you just pick, like, tell me an idea that stands out to you.
So anyway, we listen to a bunch of episodes. And then somebody said something about selling stuff.
and then it kind of centered around,
okay, what could we sell
and what do we have room for
and what could he do?
Like, he can't, like, sell vacuums.
He doesn't know anything about fixing vacuums
or whatever, right?
So then we were just kind of going back and forth,
like, what is, like, the easiest thing
to understand that you would have to sell
where you, like, can't get it wrong?
And we settled on rugs.
Okay.
Because they're squares or rectangles.
And whatever's on the rug is what the rug is,
There's nothing to fix.
There's no getting parts.
They don't expire.
Yeah.
Okay.
So we figured it was the simplest thing.
I guess the one downside is they're heavy and they're kind of big.
Yeah.
Which also means other people probably aren't interested in selling them as much.
So there could be more demand than supply.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So we settled on that.
So I was like, okay, well, I'll try to figure out where to buy them from.
And then we looked on B stock, which is like a popular site for this kind of thing.
And so I started tracking different auctions.
And it would keep my eye on and others for them.
But we found a rug auction and I'm like, do you want to, do you want to win this thing?
And so we won the auction.
And after shipping, it was like 1,500 bucks for 115 rugs.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like, like eight bucks a piece?
Yeah, it was pretty cheap.
Or like 12 bucks a piece.
12 bucks a piece, including shipping.
Uh-huh.
For 115.
Yeah, 115.
How much longer does that take?
Like, that would probably fill up this whole room.
Yeah, yeah.
It was bigger.
So I was actually out of town when they were delivered, and it was on two different pallets.
And we have it like a steep driveway, but the guy helped luckily.
So anyway, brought it up, put in.
I have a barn that wasn't all the way used.
So it probably was two times the size of this room, a mountain garage.
So like a two-car garage?
Yeah.
It wouldn't have filled up a whole two-car garage.
Okay.
But, yeah.
One and a half car garage.
Yeah.
Because it adds up, because some of these are like eight by 12.
And then rolled up, it's still, it's pretty huge.
Yeah, they're heavy.
Two-person job.
So I would say the biggest one might have been more like 10 by 14 or something.
And then some, they weren't actually rugs.
Some were literally just dormats.
So it got as small as a door mat.
No.
Okay.
That happens.
Yeah.
So it got as small as a doormat.
And then, yeah, as big as a 10 by 14.
But it was, it was of the 115, probably whatever.
90 were rugs with some dormats.
And then I guess some.
some runners, the just long and skinny things.
Okay.
Yeah.
And did you do any research on like how much demand there would be for these in your area?
Did you post them to Facebook before you bought them?
Yeah, good question.
Coulda, should have would have done that.
Didn't do any of that.
Yeah.
I just figured like people need rugs.
Yeah.
I don't know how many people need rugs.
I don't know how many people need rugs in Utah.
Did you go look on Facebook to see if other people were selling?
Yeah, we did do that.
And yeah, people were selling them.
What were some like prices?
Like, it was a pretty broad range between like,
20 and like $200.
Okay.
So, so, and that's kind of why we decided yes on the auction that we won.
Yeah.
It's like, okay, if we can get these for like 12 to 13 bucks,
worst case scenario, we sell them for an average of 20 bucks.
That's what I was thinking.
Yeah.
If we could move 115 rugs for 20 bucks.
Yeah, it's not a ton of money.
You're probably not going to lose money.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's like a year of working at the, at the point.
Yeah.
Yeah. So that was, that was sort of the justification for just being willing to jump in.
Yeah.
to do something that, you know, he didn't, again, you don't need to learn too much about the industry, but he didn't know anything.
But I also figured, I thought, I thought that it was a good choice, but I was happy he chose this as the thing that he wanted to do because I didn't want him to do something where it would require, like, being on a screen all the time.
Like building an app and trying to do marketing for that, even though that's sort of how I'm built skill-wise.
I didn't want that. And by selling rugs, you actually do have to learn a lot. You have to take pay.
pictures, learn how to position them the right way in a way that looks aesthetically pleasing.
You have to then list things for sale and figure out what they go for. You have to learn how to
negotiate. You have to have people skills because he was just having them pick it up in person because
he couldn't drive. So, you know, he had to have people skills and I tried to teach him like how to
do upsells. Like, hey, if they come for a $50 rug, try and sell one of those dormats that we
don't really want, right? Try and sell that for five bucks. Yeah. Like that kind of thing.
So anyway, he learned a ton of skills.
Did he worry about like lighting for the pictures?
Yeah, I talked to him about that and the background.
Like there's a difference of having a rug because at first it was like a rug on grass or on dirt.
And I'm like, well, if you put the rug in our house, if you could, then that would be better.
Or like make a better background in the barn that you could do.
Yeah.
Or do turn one rug upside down.
Then do all the other rugs, pictures on top of that rug.
I mean, I bought a bunch of appliances to do this.
And it wasn't that hard to list them because they're all right there.
And I just walk around it.
But with this, you got to roll them out, move them inside from the barn, take pictures of them.
You might need two people to move them times 115.
Yeah.
It's a lot of work.
Yeah.
All right.
So how did it go?
Yeah, it went good.
So he kept that part-time job, you know, at the swim thing.
And, but he started doing this and I had him sell through my Facebook account because he doesn't have one.
So I was just like, yeah, just in the description, just say,
I'm actually Brandon's son.
I'm trying to sell these.
And, you know, I'm, I wanted him to be like, hey, I'm trying to sell them to buy my first car.
But he didn't really want to do that very much, but I think he only did it sometimes.
Anyway, he has been doing that.
It's been a few months, a handful of months.
And then he did do one garage sale.
Oh, okay.
Well, it was just pitched as a massive rug sale.
And he put signs up all over our little town.
And that was, that worked really well, too.
So anyway, he has sold about 80 of the 115 so far.
Wow.
And as of this last week, he bought his first car.
So he is.
No way.
Yeah, he's pumped.
He bought a 19, 95 or something, Toyota Four Runner and his favorite color.
And he is pumped.
Yeah.
And I think he's going to take good care of it because he had to buy it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So how much should it cost?
Like three grand.
Wow.
Yeah.
Okay.
So he made enough.
Yeah.
The average price of the 80 is probably like 45.
Geez.
So almost four times his money on each rug.
Yeah.
Somewhere between 40 to 45.
After a good bit of work.
Yeah.
But learning a ton of different skills.
He's made over three grand from the 80.
The rest will just be gas money or whatever.
And he still got the part-time job.
And honestly, I don't think he loves rugs anymore.
Like, I think he might be anti-rug as an adult.
but it helped him get a Swiss car.
Did you like charge him interest or anything?
I did charge him a little bit of interest
because I had to front the 1500 to buy him the rugs.
So I charged him $300 interest,
which if you do the calculations,
yes, I'm aware it's 20%.
It's pretty high.
But I did give him free rent in the barn
for the rug space.
That's more about it.
As well as licensed my Facebook
account to him to sell it with, which you can't put a price on that.
That's a deal.
And provided very expensive consulting services to him as well for free.
So that 300 covered a lot.
I agree.
But yeah, no, I mean, he learned he learned a lot of stuff.
Yeah.
And he's, I don't know that I've ever seen a bigger smile on his face than when he bought his first car.
That feels good.
Yeah.
Man.
Yeah.
So can you make 10K in a year doing this?
Yeah.
I mean, he's made 3K in like four months.
whatever during a very part-time he probably had weeks where he didn't do any yes there were weeks
when I was bugled I'm like hey dude you've still got a hundred rugs yeah in my barn I don't want them
there when it's summertime so he had this is through the winter so it's like the worst time to
sell rugs theoretically yeah I would I would assume the best time to sell rugs is spring and summer
but yeah he's only got like 30 left or whatever how many did his garage sale sell he sold a lot
there. He probably sold like, he probably sold like 40-ish of the 80. And they came to him. Yeah.
That was those were the easiest sales he made. Yeah. Yeah. And it was the easiest to upsell in that
situation. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So today we're doing ways to make 10 grand in a year, a month, a week,
and a day. Okay. So that's the year option. Yeah. I mean, honestly, you probably can't do 10K in a week
off rugs unless you have a super dialed in plan. Right. But yeah, 10K a year. There's lots of ways to make
anything can scale.
The question is how hard is it to scale and is it worth it?
Yeah.
Did those rugs come from Costco?
Yeah.
Yeah, they were Costco returns.
And there were other rug listings.
Yeah.
There was only like one other one that we were tracking when we were gone.
But this was months ago.
There's probably more.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm sure there is.
Yeah.
So anyone in the world with $1,500 or a credit card could do this business.
Yeah.
Anywhere they buy rugs.
Yeah.
Brandon, where can we find you?
Yeah.
Just find me on Twitter.
Brandon Doyle or Instagram.
Same thing.
Okay.
Okay.
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