The Koerner Office - Business Ideas and Deep Dives with Chris Koerner - How to Get Your Significant Other Onboard with Entrepreneurship: A Chat with my Wife | Ep. #166

Episode Date: May 7, 2025

Find my new community at https://www.tkowners.com/I sat down with my wife Jessie for a really special episode of the podcast. We talked about what it’s actually like being married to a serial entrepreneur, the highs, the lows, and all the uncertainty in between. I asked her how she’s managed to stay supportive through all the pivots, experiments, and tough seasons. We got honest about what it’s really been like building a life together while also building businesses. Whether you're an entrepreneur yourself or you're married to one, I think this one will hit home.Timestamps below. Enjoy!---Watch this on YouTube instead here: tkopod.co/p-ytAsk me a question on or off the show here: http://tkopod.co/p-askLearn more about me: http://tkopod.co/p-cjkLearn about my company: http://tkopod.co/p-cofFollow me on Twitter here: http://tkopod.co/p-xFree weekly business ideas newsletter: http://tkopod.co/p-nlShare this podcast: http://tkopod.co/p-allScrape small business data: http://tkopod.co/p-os---00:00 Overcoming Overwhelm in Entrepreneurship03:02 The Role of a Supportive Spouse05:56 Navigating Scary Moments in Business08:49 Trust and Confidence in a Partner12:12 Advice for Spouses of Entrepreneurs15:07 Balancing Family and Business17:56 Reflections on Stability and Sacrifice20:49 Key Conversations in Marriage24:08 Parenting as Entrepreneurs27:01 Compartmentalizing Work and Family Life29:55 Maintaining a Strong Marriage32:49 Future Aspirations and Business Dreams

What parts of the last 17 years have felt overwhelming you? Opening a phone repair shop and me doing shifts there with a baby behind the wall. That one was pretty overwhelming. There was just questions about where the money would come from to, like, pay the bills for the next month. That's a scary feeling. It's overwhelming, but it's also exciting. You weren't going to fail. And you think you were always going to provide for our family.

You'll regret not doing it more than you'll regret doing it. You got to try it. And if you really put your effort into it, I think you can make something happen. We all know that we would really never get anywhere in our businesses without our spouse, right? I just don't know how you could be a serial entrepreneur or a business owner without a supportive spouse. And so I wanted to do something a little different today. I invited my spouse, my wife, on the Kerner office. I sat her down.

I had a list of questions. I went off script a little bit. And I asked her, how did you do it? How are you doing it? How can one be such a supportive spouse? What do you do if you don't have a supportive spouse? How do you manage that? We got a little vulnerable, a little touchy-feely, but I think it'll be helpful.

So share it with the significant other in your life whose support you desperately need for this business that you either are already running or want to run. And let me know what you think in the comments. Tell us who you are. I'm Jesse Kernar. I'm your wife. We've been married for like almost 17 years. I'm a stay-at-home mom.

I'm a realtor. I'm a volunteer. I don't know. What else do you want to know? When did we meet? We met a long time ago. It was like January of 2000, we met at a funeral. So romantic.

It's so romantic. We were 13 and 14 years old. Why does this feel so awkward? Because the cameras are there. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. So I wanted to interview you because almost everyone that listens to my podcast either has a significant other or will have a significant other that needs to support them in their entrepreneurship journey. So I want to learn a bunch of things for the first time on this interview.

And I would like you to give some advice to everyone listening and or watching on how they can be a supportive spouse or significant other. Okay. Does that sound good? Yeah, I'll see what I can do. Okay, so let's do this. Why don't you explain to everyone what you think my career has been? How would you introduce me as a professional? Usually when people ask like, what does your husband do?

It's like, oh, he's an entrepreneur. And I'm like, okay, what is his business? And I was like, which one? Because there are always a lot of things going on, which is exciting. It's never boring. But sometimes it can be overwhelming and sometimes it can be scary. Let's dig into the word overwhelming. What parts of the last 17 years have felt overwhelming to you?

Any stories you could tell? I mean, there are a few, but I feel like you've kind of outlined them. You know, when you were in China and got the phone call from a lawyer, that one was pretty overwhelming. And, well, just going into the first business, too, with a six-month-old baby opening a phone repair shop and me doing shifts there with a baby behind the wall. Like, that was kind of overwhelming, knowing that that was like what needed to pay the bills that we needed to pay those bills for the space. And that was, that was overwhelming moving

our family, starting our next location, like moving to Texas. Like everything has just been like, okay, let's try this out. Let's do this. I mean, there have been lots of times when it's like, I get to be a part of it and I really enjoy that like with LCD cycle and going through LCDs at the kitchen table before we shipped them back to China. stuff. Class all over the carpet. Yes, class everywhere. But it's like, it's overwhelming, but it's also exciting.

There's something intoxicating about starting something new and seeing your enthusiasm and excitement and knowing that you did the research that has made it bearable, I guess. I still remember those phone restore days, we had like a pack and play behind the store. For those watching or listening, we had this 2,000 square foot store and we just put a drywall wall that just split it for the front from the back. And the front was where we meet customers. We'd accept payments in the back is where we'd have our baby. There was a bathroom back there.

We'd fix phones and iPads back there. There was like a couch and a table. And it's kind of like when you go to like a local restaurant that's not a chain and you walk in and they're usually immigrants running it. And it just seems a little unorganized, chaotic. That's how our store felt. That's how our lives have felt. A little bit.

Yeah. So we dug into the word overwhelming. What about the word scary? What scary experiences do you remember? Quick question. What if there were a private community out there of people that were building businesses based on this podcast? Well, I just made it.

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What scary experiences do you remember? There was just questions about where the money would come from to like pay the bills for the next month or, you know, because there have been there have been business ventures where it's like you put in a lot of work up front and there's not a lot of pay for a long time. Like I'm thinking of a year and a half where it was like there was no income. I'm like, I don't know how we're paying these bills. And that's a scary feeling. But I also, like, trusted in you.

I knew that you had a plan and everything worked out. That was the 18 months that we had to sell our rental homes, just to pay our mortgage, to pay the bills. Well, and I'm grateful that it worked out the way that it did that at least one of them appreciated enough to be able to help cover the bells because that timing was perfect. Yeah. That was a scary 18 months because it was maybe the most time I had spent building something that never materialized. And also the only thing I really built that I didn't have full say over, which that's a pretty toxic combo in retrospect. Well, that too. And then it was also during COVID.

Like that was the height of COVID and everyone was home. And so I feel like senses on all fronts were just heightened. There was no control over anything it felt like. So that was probably peak scary. Mm-hmm. It was. What are some memories that you have that you can recall about starting a business or building a business or the first time I told you about an idea that I had and where that went?

Maybe I was really excited about an idea that never materialized. Is there anything you can remember along those lines? Or is there too many to remember? There might be too many. And you're just such a good storyteller, too. Like I just remember being excited. This is not business related, but just like your excitement and it's how contagious it is. Like when we were first married and you got the job at Surin and you just come in and you tell me about all the adventures that you had in your first shifts of waiting tables there.

And you were just so so happy. It felt good. And that was contagious. And I feel like that same energy and enthusiasm has like presented itself throughout almost all of. of your ideas. I remember in college for an entrepreneurial class, you created like the Sid safe. It was like the baby sling that was supposed to be safe. So babies wouldn't die of SIDS. Like you were excited about that. But and it was new tasks. Like we had Carson at that point. And I think SIDS was like so scary. So you were trying to solve that problem. And so I remember you being

excited about that. I remember the excitement that came with the phone restore to like, you just had full confidence. You saw this kid fix the phone. You, you research the guys at LSU that were doing the same thing. Like, you felt so strongly that it was, it was a winning situation. And I think your drive and determination helped make it a winning situation. It's funny, because I probably wouldn't have started that business the same way today. I did research, but I didn't do any testing. You know, if it were today, I would have taken my mentor's advice and started fixing phones on the side, prove the demand, tried some paid ads. But I just thought the store worked in a very similar college town.

There's not a store like that here. It will work here as long as I get a good location. And it did. But it wasn't like a runaway success. It took months for that location to take off, which was scary. Yeah. I mean, even though it was a good location, it was in a good part of town. You didn't get like walkers coming up to it.

randomly. It had to be a destination. If we could go back in time, would you have preferred that I warned you about all of these businesses? I knew that I wanted to be in business, but I thought I wanted to have a business job at first, right? I knew I was entrepreneurial as a kid, entrepreneurial as a kid, but that kind of went away for my teenage years. Would it have changed anything if, you know, we were 21 about to get married and I said, hey, I'm going to start 75 businesses over the next 15 years. I don't know what our bank account will look like, but I know that it will be exciting and I'll be happy. I will be happy. If we had a magic lamp, but we could go back and would anything change? No, I don't think so. I think I probably

would have been like unsure about it, but I feel like the path that that you've taken professionally, I just, I think that it's worked so well for you. Maybe my experience, watching, you at like the jail and just like suffer through a job versus like the excitement and the energy that came from creating your own thing like come good or bad like fixing the problems that you create or or the happiness and joy and prosperity that comes from it like I just think starting early was the right choice because now you've got all the experience that you can fall back on and utilize, whereas who knows how long you would have been stuck in like a corporate job and just miserable. I just think things would have looked a lot different.

Maybe it would have been hard to break out of that corporate world. Maybe you would have been scared to start something new. Like, I'm grateful that you started when you were young and naive and ready to jump in with both feet because I just think that it's played out. Yes, it's had it's ups and downs, but I think it's played out so beautifully. What advice would you give spouses if they have someone crazy like me that they're married to, either male or female? I don't know. I don't know.

That's a tricky one. I feel lucky because I feel like I've been able to just trust you. I feel like you've taken that trust very personally buried a heart. And I need that you were always going to provide. for our family. So if that meant like a business failed and you had to get a job, you weren't above doing that. So I don't know. I don't know what the situations for other people are if they feel like they have that same kind of confidence in their partner. But yeah, it required a lot of trust. So here's how this works. I make you free videos. I actually

know what I'm talking about. I have no greasy sales pitch at the end. And if you implement what I talk about, you'll make a lot more money and have a better life. And all I ask for in return is that you hit the subscribe button and maybe even the notification bell just like that. Thank you. Where do you think that confidence and trust comes from? Because we met as 13 year olds, but we didn't know each other super well. We were friends. And then you moved away. And we didn't even connect until I got home from my mission at age 21, which is the same year we got married. So do you think you're naturally a trusting person? Do you think that came with time?

Do you think it was because of a work ethic that you saw? Yeah, I think it's the work ethic. Honestly, like, when we were in college and, like, we bought our first house less than a year after we were married, like seven months after we were married. In 2008. In 2008, we were waiting tables. We were making technically on paper 2.13 an hour.

But we bought our first house. You were doing full-time school. You got a job at the jail. And then we had another job on top of that. Like, I feel like that work ethic, like you did well in your classes. You got scholarship for speech and debate. Like, you weren't going to fail. Yeah, I think if I just kept coming to you with ideas and then like went back to my video game, you know,

or like kept coming to you with ideas and got season D's in my classes. Right. And work 10 hours a week. it would be a totally different vibe where it's like, I like that you're excited. But you play a lot of video games. Yeah. Yeah. I think that the work ethic was really telling early on.

I think also that we're similar in that we're both pretty logical. And I remember the conversations about buying our first home. We had really cheap rent, abnormally cheap. It was $500 a month, right? And it was a great location right on campus. but our mortgage to own a house, a $90,000 house after like escrow and everything was $483. So I remember saying like, okay, we do have to pay $3,200 down, but we'll save money and we'll own a home. We won't quote, waste rent.

We will build equity in the home. And I think you just, that just made logical sense to you as well. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I remember early on, even in like early college before we met each other, I wanted to buy a house. I didn't want to throw money away towards rent. So I think we were really aligned there anyway. I think a lot of people are listening to this. Maybe they are the spouse or they have the spouse that just has no risk tolerance.

That's just innate for whatever reason. And they're watching this and they're just saying, okay, my spouse is a hard worker. I trust him. But that's so risky. I can't get around the risk. Some things are out of his control. What if the market turns and he starts a wealth management firm and he can't get clients or whatever it is, what would you say to spouses with that mindset?

I think it's important to have a backup plan, you know, like make sure there's some savings or a job opportunity or something else that they can fall back on. But there's just so much potential, like so much joy that can come from trying the new thing, from testing it out. And I feel like regret, like you'll regret not doing it more than you'll regret doing it. And if you really put your effort into it, I think you can make something happen, whether it's that business or you pivot it into something else. Like, I just think you got to try it.

Yeah, Jeff Bezos has the regret minimization framework, which is when he's faced with two big decisions, which one will he have less regret about making? And when he started Amazon, he was working for a hedge fund making really, really good money. But he's like, I'm just always going to wonder, what if, if I don't ever start this thing? And obviously he did. It makes me think of you, actually. We bought like our second car, third car maybe from Montgomery Automotive Group. And you always wanted to try that business.

Oh, yeah. Concierge car buying. Yeah, this is like we're basically people tell you what car they want. you go to the auction and you buy it for them for like a $700 fee. Yep. And you finally tried it like several years down the road. And you called it Presto Cars. Mm-hmm.

And you hated it. It was the worst. It was the worst business. But I feel like if you didn't try it then, like you'd probably be trying it now. I would have tried it eventually. Yeah. And I hated it because I'm not a car guy. Yeah.

So it's not scalable. I hated it because I already had a successful thriving business at the time. And so with that. contrast in my mind, it's like, why am I breaking down on the side of the road with these stupid cars? This business is printing money. What am I doing? Whereas if that were like my last resort, I would have made that work even though I hated it, right? Because I didn't like fixing phones or selling parts either. Right, right. And if anyone is watching or listening, he does not fix phones anymore. We still get calls or texts or Facebook messages about that. It's been 15 years.

What sacrifice do you think that we made either together as a couple or individually along the way that we didn't even realize at the time? Sometimes I get envious because I've got friends with husbands who've got like jobs with great benefits. They've worked their way up the company and, you know, they know what their paycheck is going to be every month. And we're still to a point where it's like, I don't know. I don't know what we're making. But it's enough. We're going to make enough. But it's like, oh, I am envious sometimes.

of like just you know exactly what you're getting you know exactly what you'll have and you can budget for that so maybe that i don't know if that would be considered stability because we've we've had income and we've been stable like we've been in the same house for nine years like we have stability but maybe the the financial not income stability right because it's not like we're going hungry. Like when was the last, I can think of this answer, but when was the last two months in a row where income was the same? I can think of a lot of months in a row where it was zero. Yeah. I think in the LCD cycle days, it was the same for a while. Okay, but LCD cycle, that was like 2017. Yeah. It's been a while. It's feast or famine. We'll take a fat distribution. Maybe one company

is doing really well and has quarterly distributions. So that quarter pays for everything and then some. Or maybe we have to sell a rental house. We don't have any more of those. We had to sell them all. I get jealous of people that have those jobs, too. Yeah. I really do. A lot of those people, though, have schedules that are not great.

They're working a lot. And I think a lot of it is we live in an area where most of our friends are six to ten years older than us. Yeah. So it's just kind of interesting. That's kind of a different phase of the career, like mid to late 30s versus late 40s. at the late 40s. What turning points or conversations that were key in our marriage do you remember? Nothing major.

I mean, there have been opportunities that have presented themselves and we've prayed over them or whatever and proceeded. Nothing huge, though. What about after that conversation at Starbucks? Oh. Remember when I came home? Yeah. And you didn't know about it yet.

Well, I knew you being home then was not good. But we didn't see this coming, right? No. I remember specifically walking in the mudroom from the garage and you're like, hey, what are you doing home? Having no clue. And I didn't see it coming. So you remember that moment? Yeah, vaguely.

Like I had walked over there specifically to check on you because it was like the garage door just opened and he shouldn't be home yet. So I was confused. But yeah, I remember, I think you told me then what had happened, but then you needed some space. Yeah. Mostly it's when those kinds of things happen. But I feel like you and I were kind of, we like to talk about the future and dream about, you know, what could be. And that's been a lot of fun, like detailing our dream house when we were newlyweds or, you know, things like that. I love that.

I love that we've been aligned in those kinds of. of ways. Nowadays, most of our conversations are about parenting our kids more than anything else. But I don't know. I don't know if that answered the question. Yeah. What advice would you give a new spouse that is knowingly marrying a serial entrepreneur? Because that's not really what you did, right? Because I was going to college. You knew I was entrepreneurial, but I think some people are about to get married or have recently been married and they've been very up front about that. Or any spouse that's already and has been married to someone that's very entrepreneurial. Just trying to be in tune with what he or she needs. Like, I try to be supportive of you,

but also recognize like when it's more helpful for you if I step back. Like, I don't need to micromanage you. I don't need to bombard you with questions. Like, hey, how is this going to get paid? or like, hey, are you thinking about this or that? Like, I know that you are. And so I can give you this space to kind of worry about the things that you are working on because you have so many demands on you from so many other people. So I don't want to add to that. I don't know.

I don't know what advice to give. What advice would you give a husband specifically to be a good husband as a serial entrepreneur or to give his wife reasons to trust him? Yeah, that's a good one. I think just validation. Like, if your wife is nervous about it, like, recognize, like, it's a scary thing. And you're both going into it together. So being respectful of her and, like, how she's feeling about it. And if she's, if she's scared, like, talk through it, re-evaluate, make those choices together. I feel like that's something that we have done. I don't, you've never done anything behind my back or like started anything that we haven't

talked about before, which I think is huge. So communication, I guess, is hugely important on both sides for the entrepreneurial partner and the supportive one. Like, just talk about it. Like if you're feeling apprehensive, let them know. But yeah, I think communication is key. What about parenting as an entrepreneur? What advice would you give parents or a soon-to-be parents that are entrepreneurial? Because you're an entrepreneur, that means you can't just leave your work at work because your work, you work from home. Therefore, you can work as much as you want. And because you love work, like, you want to work all the time. But it's important to like compartmentalize. You've got to break away from work. You've got to make time for the family. You've got to make time to connect with your spouse or partner, but also with your children.

So if your schedule is so busy that it requires penciling in time to like spend one-on-one time with a kid or make it to an athletic event or whatever, like make sure your family sees that you prioritize that. Something that you'll do is leave your laptop in the office rather than carry it around the house with you and work all hours of the day. And that's a pretty recent development. It is. It is. Or like no cell phones at the dinner table. Like there are so many things to help you disconnect from work and be more present with your family. And I think that that could go for anyone working, working to any job, like make time for your family. They will see it. It's really hot.

So video is cool, but you know what's better? Longform audio via podcast and my newsletter, T-KO, pod.com go there to subscribe for free to my newsletter. It's one email a week, very tactical. And then go to my audio podcast, three episodes a week, stuff like this. You're going to love it. All free. No sleazy sales bitch. TKopod.com. What were the seasons of our marriage where I was the least present? The most present was Houston and 50 and 60. We moved to Houston for six months for my daughter's lung transplant. And I worked from home and it was amazing. It was. And the business was doing well and I worked remotely, of course. We went a walk. Yeah. And then we took the whole summer to see all 50 states. And we got like a T-Mobile

hotspot. Hot spot. So he could work while we were driving, but it wasn't ideal. So not a lot of work happened then, but we got lots of time with him. And that was a, that was a really great time in our lives. As far as being the least present, I have a hard time. pinpointing that. I think it's more, I'm more often mentally not present than physically. Because I don't miss any sports stuff. I rarely miss dinner. I don't travel much. Evenings, you know, we do all the sports and church stuff. But it's easy for you to sneak off to your office, too, if we're, if there's a lull, if everyone's kind of doing their own thing, which I mean, I'm not going to fault you for. From on a scale of one to 10, how good do you think I am at compartmentalizing,

stressful things at work. You can be honest. Maybe like a six. If I don't like your answer, I'll just edit you that. You said a nine? I said a six. I think you're good at like not burdening me with whatever it is that's bothering you. But just because you're not telling me what it is doesn't mean I don't know that something's going on.

It's pretty obvious. Yeah. Yeah. I struggle with that because I feel like people that are really good at this is maybe just a cop out, but people that are really good at compartmentalizing are like psychopaths. Like two-faced. Like how do you just put that terrible, stressful thing aside and just smile and like cook the spaghetti like without a care in the world? Like does that make sense?

Yeah. Is that just a cop out? Like I just have a hard time, especially if it's really stressful. I have a hard time just forgetting about that. Right. When I step out of the office. No, and I get that. And sometimes I just wonder if it would be more helpful to like verbalize.

what you're feeling to get it out in the air. So I know what's bothering you. Because there are times when it's like, oh, I wonder, I wonder if I did something that annoyed him today. Or like, I wonder if the kids are getting on his nerves. But more often than not, it's something more related. But if you don't say that. I don't like talking about it.

Yeah. Just for everyone listening. Jesse knows that. This could be wrong. But in my head, when I talk about it, it stresses me out more. Like it bubbles up. even though I'm already thinking about it, like verbalizing, it makes it more tangible, more real. Whereas it could be like a momentary pain to like talk through it.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like a, if I face some more short-term pain, it might be more long-term painless. Right. And that's where I'm coming from. But I know everyone handles things differently. Well, and you have a time. If you've ever seen the other guys, Jesse goes bad cop, bad cop a lot.

I'll be complaining about something or something really stressed. and she just like immediately gets on my side of the table as a supportive wife. It's like, what? They did that. Oh my gosh. And that like amps me up even more. And I'm like, okay, we're not talking about this. I'm stressed.

I don't do that. Yeah. What about getting kids involved with the business? How do you feel about that? I think it'd be great. I know we've talked about for our kids. We want them to at least do a freshman year of college and then serve a mission for the church. And then after that, they can decide, like, do they want to finish college or do they want to start a business with you?

And it's like if they can have more entrepreneurial experience in their youth, like, let's do that. Let's give them opportunities to try it and see how it fits. And if it's something they want to explore more later. It's funny because you're entrepreneurial as well. We're both very entrepreneurial. But we've never approached parenting from their perspective of our kids going to start. businesses. School system is broken. Like, we believe that the school system is broken, like, to a large extent, like collegiate undergraduate level and K through 12, but it's just such an

important cultural experience at any age to go through the normal schooling experience. I think we both value that greatly, and we want them to see both sides of the coin. Yeah. I remember when the farmer's market was first announced, Chris's first reaction was, we need to have a family business and that family business quickly turned into me having a bakery from home. So, which was fun. And I ran that for almost five years. I'll still do orders here and there. But I don't think it was the entrepreneurial experience that you were hoping that the whole

family would get. You could have quit at any time. I could have. I did when I wanted to. This is a similar question of what I already asked. But if you could go back in time and you saw the entire future, all the, the businesses, stresses, pains, and you could change any of it. What would you have changed, if anything? Second question, what mindset would you have had if different than what you already

had? Well, I think my mindset would be a little bit more laid back. Like, don't sweat the small stuff. Because, I mean, at the time, they felt huge, like the big setbacks or trials that we had. But in the big picture, like, they were all just stepping stones to something. else. So I think that would have helped me have a little bit more of a laid back attitude, but also like when things were good, I would have known, oh, this is, this is a little more temporary. So let's, let's throw a little bit more in savings because that might come in handy later. So not being as upset by the setbacks, but also like recognizing that the prosperity was great, but short-lived and we can be more prepared for later.

Yeah, one thing that I've noticed is like, like when we saw 50 states and 60 days. Yeah. And I was like, in the back of my mind, it was like emails, emails, calls. They're not going anywhere. Yeah. Like they're just not. Like, it was the best two months of my life. And I don't remember the email that got answered two days later than it should have gotten answered.

Like everything just, it always just works out. And so if everything's just going to work out, then do the core things as a family that will make the best memories for your kids. Because it's all just going to work out. It's always just going to work out. Maybe not on the time frame, maybe not at the scale you had in mind. But if you just keep pushing forward, everything falls into place. Yeah.

Yeah. As long as you keep working toward it, I don't think your advice is giving anyone license to just give up or like forget about what they're working on or just push it off forever. but just having a better perspective about it. What are some things we do to keep a strong marriage? We have our date nights. We go on dates every Saturday, mostly, mostly every Saturday. And that's big. I'm learning that not all couples go to bed at the same time.

Like we have a couple friends who it's like the husband goes to bed at like a reasonable time. But the wife like stays up and does all sorts of other little things and doesn't go to bed until later or vice versa. It's like, I think that little time that we get before we fall asleep, just like going over our day or talking about the next day or just whatever. Like, I think that connection on a daily basis is really healthy and helpful for our relationship. It's funny because in a lot of ways, we're so similar. But then on paper, we're complete opposites. You're an extrovert, a pure extrovert. I'm a pure introvert.

but then we just naturally see eye to eye on religious, political, familial things. Any thoughts on that? No, I love it. It's great. And I mean, there have been times when we've had slightly different opinions, you know, I wanted our kids to go to Alabama for college. And you're like, no, it's got to be BYU. And it's like we both strongly felt the way that we did.

But we talked through it and listened. And I don't know. I think we can work through conflict easily because we are both pretty level-headed and middle of the road. We're really tight. We're pretty tight. Where do you see us in five, ten, or fifteen years? Oh, gosh. Well, in five years, our second child will be graduating, which is crazy.

So I see us here, whether in this house or in a neighborhood in the area. I'm not sure, but pretty much doing similar things to what we're doing right now. Probably have a kid on a mission, which is crazy. Hopefully. Yeah. So that's five years. Ten years will be empty nesters, and that's crazy. That's weird.

That's really weird. I see us having a place in the mountains that we can go to and hike and chill. Do you think that me making content has changed the dynamic of our family or our marriage or anything? or is it just a different business? Yeah, I think it's just a different business. It's funny that it like is a type of business that the kids get recognized for, not necessarily for being in your videos, but their peers see you on their for-view pages and things like that.

And that's kind of a funny, a funny thing, not in a bad way, not in a good way. It's just, it just is. Did you ever see me doing content like this? No, but you have been taking videos of yourself as long as the iPhone's been around. For friends and family. For friends and family. Yes. Funny videos mostly.

Yes, not the most attractive or, yeah, it's been part of who you are for a long time. So it makes sense that you're doing it on this scale now. Now I just hit publish. No, you just hit publish. The whole world gets to see. So lucky them. Any other advice or thoughts that you'd want to give people listening? I do feel like it has been an adventure, which is great because I love adventures and so do you.

But it's definitely had highs and lows. But overall, like, I just feel like this has been the right path for our family. Like I just feel like it's brought the most fulfillment for you in your career. and that's what kind of fuels the rest of the family. Do you think that's detracted from your fulfillment at all? No, because I know I've been able to do whatever I want to do too. You don't have to work. I don't have to, but I can if I want to.

I've been able to have my little baking side hustle, and I've been able to be a realtor a couple times now, but I also have the freedom to like volunteer at the school or have lunch with my friends or, You know, like, it's been, it's been a really great, a really great journey. Do you think our friends think we're crazy? Yeah. Yeah, but not just for the business part.

Just everything. It's because we go hard on all the things. So. Well, thank you for joining me on the Kerner office. What are your hopes and business dreams for the future, irrespective of me? What are your business goals? You still want to teach Latin? Okay.

No, that was an idea. What else? What other ideas? I wanted to be a flight attendant. Remodel homes? I don't know. Yeah, we wanted to. Interior design?

Yeah, flip houses. I don't know. I don't have a burning desire to do any of those at the moment. When do you think I'll stop doing contact? When you get bored? I don't think it's boring for you right now. I think it's a lot of fun. So as long as you're having fun, I don't see why you.

you would stop. Maybe until I get sick of all the notifications. Maybe. Messages and dopamine and swamper. Yeah, everyone hates dopamine. Wow. Too much of anything is bad. It's true.

That's true. Thank you for joining me. Of course. You know, this is named after our last name. It's like a play on a corner office. No way. I wondered why the E was there. Yep.

Oh, cool. Yep.