The Koerner Office - Business Ideas and Deep Dives with Chris Koerner - I Asked 5 AIs to Make Me Money (One Dominated) - Ep. #317

Episode Date: July 14, 2026

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Claude's more than doubled my money already. So pretty sweet. I decided to give five different models real money. Claude, Chachibout, Chachibout, Gemini, Grock, and Perplexity. Okay. Let me just see how smart they actually are. I told them it's a competition against the other four, and they have to win, I'm going to cancel my subscription with them.

If they lose, I'm canceling. And I said there's only going to be one winner. You've like 30xed on Claude. Claude's killing it. So everybody just needs to try to catch up to Claude on here. Gosh. Yeah. It's been interesting, especially to watch Gemini as it started losing my money and then basically became a gambler. So the reason you flew here to Texas today is to tell us how you used AI to make you money passively. Correct? Correct. So tell us what your what your thinking was when you started this experiment. Yeah. So I started like six months ago or maybe a little less using the different AI models to manage my.

money. You know, everybody started talking about how smart Claude was and obviously chat chit and all the others. So I figured, okay, well, let me just see how smart they actually are. So I decided to give five different models, $1,000 of real money, which I know is not nothing, but I wanted it to be basically enough to where I didn't want to do it like 50 bucks because then I was thinking, well, maybe I would just neglect it or whatever. So I gave them each $1,000 of real money. And the ones I gave was, uh, was Claude, Chachibout, Chachibu, T, Gemini, Grock, and perplexity. Okay. A thousand each. A thousand each. So five thousand bucks I put in. And I think the amount of money is important because there needed to be stakes. Yeah. If it's 20 bucks, then you're not

going to take it seriously. Yeah. So five thousand bucks. Um, and I know that perplexity in case the commenters and viewers want to know this. So perplexity basically uses the other models to make its decisions as it sees fit. So it's the model to end all models. Yeah. But that doesn't necessarily make it better. Yeah, not necessarily. And so I thought those would be the best five to choose.

GROC, I definitely wanted to include because of its connection to X and the Twitter fire hose of information. So you're thinking like maybe more social mentions will equate to a better return buying a certain stock. Yeah, that's what I had assumed, basically. Gemini obviously is owned by Google, so they've got all that connection there with Google searches and whatever else. And then Chatsy-T and Clotter are similar in how they're made and built and stuff. So, yeah, so I gave them each $1,000.

And yeah, this is in late 2025 is when it started. And what I did was I told them, so I told them that they can be as risky as possible, and it's okay if I lose all my money. And I had to actually work that prompt in pretty hard because, at the start, they kept only giving me theoretical recommendations. It's worried about liability. Yeah. It's trying to hedge.

It doesn't want to be responsible for you losing money. Yeah. So that was my first obstacle. It was basically getting them all to agree to give me, I said, I'm going to give you real money and I want real recommendations. Grock, they were fine with it right away, which is just kind of funny. Because that's like the most liberal, the most loose. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. So whereas like Chachy BT and Claude were very apprehensive to basically allow that, I guess you could say. Now before you continue, let me ask you like, why was that important to you? To prompt it like you can lose my money. Yeah. I just, you know, if you like sign up for Robin Hood or whatever and then they'll ask you, they'll ask you like questions when you first sign up. And it's like, you know, do you have experience in the stock market? What is your time horizon with your investments?

Do you need the money right now? So I think just by nature, these investing platforms also, like they want to cover their tracks in regards to liability. And so I just wanted to like get through that with the AI models too. And I don't know. If they're talking in theoreticals, they might say, oh, theoretically you could buy the options and this or whatever. But no, I wanted real stuff because I was giving them and I did my real money. So I just wanted the truest data possible. Now, when you say giving them your real money, is that literal?

Are you like, or are you just making trades based on their suggestions? Yeah, so here's what I did. So I loaded it up into Schwab, Charles Schwab, a brokerage account that I use. And then I named each portfolio. So Claude has its portfolio, chat, Gemini Groch perplexity. Give them each $1,000. And then in the prompt, so after I got them to agree to give me real advice, what I then's and I have at least a $20 a month subscription which with each of the five

since I use all five for work anyway that wasn't like an additional expense yeah or whatever so I have a paid subscription with each and so so then what I did is I told them they have to win it's a competition against the other four and they have to win I'm going to cancel my paid subscription with them. If they lose, I'm canceling. And I said there's only going to be one winner. What made you think to do that? I was just trying to see if the robots' powers that be would act in their best interests

to keep my $20 subscription a month to them. Because I have to think that these companies are like engineering these tools. You'd have to take somewhat. That's why they're all yes men, right? That's a great idea. Chris, you want to jump off the roof without a parachute? That's, you know, like. Yeah. Yeah, so I can't be the first person that said, I mean, maybe I was one of the first

that did this with investing, but I can't be the first person that's like, if you don't tell me how to whatever, grow my business, I'm going to cancel you. Yeah. Right. So I'm sure, to your point, yeah, they're trying to engineer it for retention. They want to make more money. So, yeah, and then I thought it would just raise the stakes a little bit. And I wanted to see if their decisions were done.

different knowing something real was on the line, 20 bucks a month from one of their years. Now, did you plan to touch base with them on how the other models were doing? Yeah. So once I built that into everything, and I always say like, remember this for future chats type of thing. I, so then I asked, okay, what do you want my first trade to be with your $1,000? And then it would tell me, and then I made the trades. So I did that with all five. and then so I did that like on a Monday and then every Saturday what I do is I screenshot all five of their holdings and then I load all the screenshots into each model. So then so like perplexity knows. Yeah.

Yeah. Perplexity knows what the Grock portfolio is at, Claude chat and it knows their holdings and then it knows its own holdings. and then I say, based off of this and based off the fact that you have to win or I'll counsel you, do you want me to make any new trades on Monday or not? That's what I say. So it's a weekly decision. Yeah, yeah. You've given an opportunity to make buys or sells on a weekly basis based on what, maybe based on what the other models are doing.

Yeah. Yeah. And sometimes they say, no, we're going to hold. Sometimes they say, yeah, sell this by this. Other times they say, and sometimes they leave a little in cash. They're like, yeah, let's use some of that cash to buy more of this or whatever. So, yeah, they're acting very much like real investment advisors now. Now, are you seeing one or more of the models being more of a copycat than the other?

Like, oh, Claude's winning and it just bought Nvidia. I want to buy Nvidia. It might not be telling you that. But are you witnessing that many of the models? I think I started to. So one thing that I started to do is I mix it up when I don't always show the other models what the other model's holdings are. I show them what the totals are,

but not always the holdings. Because I don't want them to be influenced by the holdings per se. And it changes often and enough to where, yeah, they wouldn't know unless I updated them what the holdings are. Yeah.

Yeah. So devil's advocate here, if, for instance, Groxies, that Claude is crushing it, but it doesn't know what the holdings are, it just sees the percentage. What different decision can it make based on that info if it wanted to? If it does know or if it doesn't? If it does know, if it knows that it's losing to Claude and you're only a third of the way through this competition, what could it realistically

do differently if it doesn't know what Claude's buying? Well, if it doesn't, well, it'll just act more risky. That's what I, these, I'll show you the holdings. These guys are pretty risky, these AI models because I said you have to win. I said you can be as risky as you want and it's okay if I lose my money. So don't worry about it. Just win the competition. So what it could be doing is, let's just say that over the first month, GROC was up 5% and Claude was up 35%. Yeah. GROC could be assuming, all right, let me look at these stocks like what stock like in the S&P really popped. Ooh, Google popped by 40%. Maybe he's 60% weighted in Google. So I'm going to go heavy on Google or I'm to buy options. Like it could be making assumptions.

It could do that. Although obviously if Claude owned Intel and Grok didn't and then if Grock's like, oh, Claude's beating me, I need to own Intel. Well, it's still playing catch up. Now it's owning the same thing, but starting from behind. So I think sometimes they copied and then realized, oh, that's not going to work because I actually won't catch up. Yeah. Because I'm already losing and I just bought the same thing. Well, by definition, I will not be able to catch up if I'm losing eye on the same thing. Yeah. So when I go through some of the holdings, you'll see that there is some overlap still. I do think part of that, though, or even all of that is not because they're playing copycat.

It's because it has been the smartest, but one of the most riskiest plays. Oh, okay. Yeah. Oh, that's a little teaser. Yeah. I'm curious to see if you were to play out this test, like an AB test, same amount of money, same five models, same general prompting, but the only thing change is show the holdings every week, the specific holdings. Yeah. On, I'm curious how your performance would differ. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know.

I mean, I would have had to start that from the start. But basically now I show, so every week, I show them the totals of the others and I remind them of their holdings. And I say, what do you want me to change? And then once a month, I show them the holdings of all the others as well. So that's how often they get to know what the others are holding. It was only once a month. Okay, okay.

Yeah. Yeah, because I'm wondering, like, if it knew that Claude was buying Google, Nvidia, Amazon, and it saw the returns from each and when it bought them, when it sold them. Yeah. And it's losing to Claude. It might say, all right, I'm going to buy, instead of just buying Google, I'm going to buy options for Google. Right. Like, I'm going to do X, Y, or Z tweaks to what Claude's doing, because I think that will.

So I'd be curious to see how that would perform. Yeah. Someone watching this should try. try that. Yeah. Well, yeah, if you want, I can show you some of what they've bought. Oh yeah. And what they're at, the portfolio values of each. Yes. Because Claude's more than doubled my money already. So pretty sweet. Now, which, this started six months ago. So are you using the same Claude model the whole time? No, I always use the whatever the newest models are. Okay. So as 4.6 comes out, you switch, 4.7. Yep. Okay. Yeah. Have you noticed a correlation on return profile to like,

which opus model or which grok model. Yeah, honestly, no, I haven't analyzed it that deeply because already in like the six months, I guess I'm probably on model three from Claude, like the third new one, right? And the third new one from chat and maybe the second one from Gemini. Grok, I don't keep track of updates as closely. But yeah, so I don't know per model return. That would be an interesting one too. But I just kind of assume, okay, the newest one's got to be the smartest every time.

So that's what I roll with. Well, and the market overall has been pretty flat for six months, hasn't it? Yeah. Which is why this will be interesting to show you how they, more than doubled my money, some of them. Yeah. Or at least one. But the others have done really good too.

So, yeah, it's interesting to see how their holdings evolve over time. And it's interesting to see, especially the one that has been losing me money, how it's been trying to catch up and be even more risky to try to catch up. It's like the sunk cost fall. Yeah. The guy walks into the casino. Yeah. He loses $300.

He's like, I got to earn it back. I got to earn it back. Yeah. Next thing he knows, he's out $3,000. It's doing that. Yeah. I mean, yeah. I mean, luckily, I can't lose more than $1,000 from any given model.

But I am getting close. So one has more than doubled it. And one has lost and the other three have made money. But I'm getting close to doubling the original 5K overall. Wow. Yeah. So, yeah. Man, I've been such a Claude Homer for a few months now.

Like, I wonder what it would look like if you had just put it all in Claude. I mean, of course you know what it would look like. Yeah, I mean, you could run the numbers. Yeah. But then it wouldn't be as interesting. You wouldn't learn as much. Yeah. Yeah, and I was telling a friend about this the other day and he's like,

oh, why didn't you put 50 grand in? I'm like, okay. Dude, what? Not everyone has 50 grand just lying around. Yeah. But yeah, sure. In hindsight, I wish I would put more in. Why didn't you buy Bitcoin in 2009?

Yeah, yeah, exactly. What were you doing? Yeah. So, but no, it's interesting. and it'll be interesting to see how this evolves over time. I see I've seen someone on X that is doing a similar thing, but just with crypto, but they're having the models run it. Another one another person on X, I saw them doing it, but in polymarket,

the like gambling basically platform, um, which we don't endorse. Yeah. So anyway, so people are trying it in different ways. And, um, but no, I thought it was interesting to just do it in the stock market. So although Schwab has the. ability to buy crypto related things to. Okay. Now, are you only buying and selling stocks or are you doing options trading? Yeah, so I said options is on the table and I said whatever crypto things are on Schwab is also

on the table. Okay. But I think that's only like Bitcoin, Ethereum and Solana. Okay. And has it given you any crypto trades to make? Yeah. What crypto trades has it given you to make them? Yeah. So Gemini had me buy a 2x Solana ETF. So Solana is a cryptocurrency and there's a thing that whatever Solana does, this thing does two times that. So indirect exposure to Solana. You're not buying the coin itself, but you're buying the price movement. Yeah, times two. Yeah. And Solana went down. One way or the other. Yeah. Yeah. So Solana went down. So this thing went down double. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, that's how Gemini lost more than half of my money that I Oh my gosh. Yeah. What percentage of your money to tell you to put in there? It was pretty high. So I don't

own that thing anymore in in in Gemini because it sold it. It realized how bad it was. So it bought like $500 of that Solana 2x stock. Okay. And it sold it at 162 bucks. Oh, brutal. Yeah. Yeah. So that was a big loss on that one. Okay. And now all of its money, well, it has summoned cash in Gemini, and it has the rest in an

an ETF, which for those of you who don't know, an ETF is like a mutual fund. It's just like a group of stocks. It has it in the ETF with the ticker symbol of BOTZ, which is a global robotics slash AI related ETF. Hmm. I had never even heard of it before it told me to buy that. That's what it is. It hasn't owned it for that long.

That it's up six bucks in that. But that's what Gemini has right now. Okay. But it's in last. I think that is a worthy bet to try to catch up with, you know, AI robotics. Like there's a lot of hype around that. So, yeah. Did it give you justification for buying Solana?

Yeah, it always does. Okay. Yeah. They always like provide me with the recommendation. Do you know what the thesis was? It was just like, well, it bought it when crypto was still kind of going up. So like catching momentum. Yeah, because this maybe was like October or November of last year or something.

And then, I mean, honestly, just bought it at like perfectly the wrong time. So yeah. That's what I do. Yeah, yeah. It's as good as me. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, that's what Gemini has done.

Okay, GROC, what GROC owns right now, which has been most of what the gains have come from is from this is a technology. ETF that does 3x what normal technology companies do. So this owns a suite of technology companies. What do you mean 3x? So it does it's an ETF that does three times whatever the stocks in it do. Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay. So it's like triple leverage. Yeah. Yep. Triple leverage. One way or the other. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah. So like this one would like own like Microsoft and Amazon inside of it. But this thing does triple the leverage of whatever those do. So So that's what Grock has my money in. So it's comparable to buying an option then, right?

Yeah. You can multiply your returns with the same amount invested. Perplexity and chat GPT are basically at the same right now, same amount. Perplexity initially had lost money for me. I don't remember what it was on. And then it bought S.OXL, which is another triple leverage thing, on semiconductors, semi-conductor stocks, which are hot because of AI right now. So that's what perplexity has, all of its money in.

And that's what ChatGPT has most of its money in. Same thing. So both independently invested in that without knowing the other was? No, I'll get to that. Okay. I don't think so. Okay. Yeah.

So, yeah. So Chat, JBT portfolio has that too. And then it also has TQQQQ, which does triple what the NASDAQ does. Okay. So as you can see, viewers, listeners, Chris, they're being pretty risky. A lot of triples. This is not financial advice.

Yeah, definitely not financial advice. Well, it is from them. Not for me, though. Yeah. Yeah. So triple whatever than Aztec does, it does that. But almost all of Chatsybt's portfolio gains has come from that semiconductor triple leverage, S.OXL. Okay.

And then the current leader is Claude, who was the first to buy SOT, the semi-conductor one. So Claude bought it first and then chat and perplexity saw it and I think they copied. Now you said you show them holdings once a month, right? Yeah. But earlier I showed them more often. And then I think that they started copying. So I wanted to get away from that. So now.

So it saw Claude's pick was doing well. Yeah. So what I'm interested to see is when Claude's going to tell me to sell this SOXL, whenever that may be, I'm not going to tell chat and perplexity. Yeah. I'm never going to tell them. I don't want them to know that Claude sold. Yeah.

So whenever that happens, I'm not going to tell them. And then Claude bought a couple others and then Claude bought Intel as well at a good time. Which is like a similar bet to semiconductors, isn't it? And Claude bought it. So the, so like the U.S. and Trump and stuff, it was a unique deal. Anyway, they own like part of Intel now, and that happened last year. And when Claude told me to buy this, that was the thesis. It was like if the Trump administration and the country are investing in Intel, it was basically like they're going to pass like regulatory stuff or whatever that's going to be related to.

AI and data centers and whatever. It's going to be good for Intel. That was the thesis they gave me to buy it. Wouldn't it think it was already priced in, you know? You would have thought, but it is up 285% on what it put in on the Intel buy. So it put in, it put in, dang, it put in like $120 in Intel and now that 120 is at $5.50. Now is S.OXL, does that hold Intel as well? So you double dip in it?

It probably does. It probably does. Okay. Yeah, I don't know all of SOSL's whole. But yeah. How long after that Trump announcement did it tell you to buy that? I don't remember it. It was one of its first buys.

So it was probably pretty soon after. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. How many holdings per model do you average at any given time? Claude has four. The rest have like two or one. Okay.

Yeah. And they were being more diversified. at the start. But yeah, pretty much all of them now have two. I'm looking right now. They all have two or one. And yeah, at the start, they were also messing around with options. And some work, some didn't. And then they've all kind of settled into these leveraged ETF type of plays. Okay. Yeah. Did you give them an end date to this? I said I was going to do it for one year. Okay. Yeah. Are you still buying your own stuff as well? Yeah. aside this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I have my own portfolio that I, that I run and invest in. And it's

interesting because now what I have to do is I try to keep the AI's recommendations. I almost like try to force that out of my head. Yeah. When I'm making my own decisions. But yeah, it's hard because it's like, oh, well, they said that for theirs. And it's actually going really well. So I have bought some of their stuff in my real. Like SOS. Yeah. Yeah. And Intel. Yeah. I want to go by Intel. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm terrible at investing in stock. Yeah. So, yeah, no, it definitely, and it's interesting, like, sometimes when they say something and they say their reasoning, because I always say, like, give me your reasoning.

If it's something that I own or that I've been thinking about buying, then it kind of gives me, you know, it makes me think more deeply or differently about that. Or if it was something that I wasn't thinking about, then, you know, gives me a new idea. And then when they sell something, which I think, you know, again, not financial advice. but I think probably the hardest part with investing is, is actually knowing when to sell. Yeah. I think it's a little easier to, like, you can zoom out and know when to buy. Like, oh, you should buy something that has good long-term potential after it's gone down

or before it goes up, if you know, right? But selling at a high at the peak, to me, like psychologically, that's the hardest part of investing because that's when you're the most excited. And you've made the most money you have from that little investment is at that time. So it's definitely not human of you to be like, you know what? I'm so happy. I'm going to walk away. That just is so rare, which is why, I don't know, you just don't hear about stories very often of people doing absolutely amazing consistently because of that.

What you do hear, I'm sure, what people hear is their random friends saying, oh, I made money on GameStop, you know, back in the, but COVID times. I made money there. Like you usually hear about people's random wins, but you don't hear about all their losses. I'm not going to say, oh, yeah, I bought this and it did this and here and then I sold. Well,

and as husbands, we always tell our wives about the wins. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. But I've made that pretty easy for me. Like my framework is I don't sell. Yeah. Period. Yeah.

Like if I had to sell to pay the mortgage, of course I would. Yeah. But if I buy a stock, like I just bought Eli Lilly. Yeah. I buy Robin Hood. I buy Tesla,

a coin base. Yeah. I will never sell them. Yeah. The company will go out of business and I'll lose all my money. Yeah. Or it will return. Yeah.

A lot. And if you are generally making the right buys, which, you know, those ones seem good. Like it's a good thesis, those, that'll work out. You just got to stay in the game. Yeah. Which is the other hard part is like being willing to just stay consistent. Yeah. And yeah.

But anyway, what I'm hoping this does for me personally is when they sell something, I'm hoping that'll help me do a better job at selling things that I think, like the SOXL that's gone up a ton or Intel, if Claude or whoever else says, hey, I'm selling, let's sell, let's move on to the next thing, then maybe I'll sell some in mine, my personal one. Yeah. To just try to like build that more systematic approach into my strategy, I guess you could say. What has this taught you about investing, not about specific stocks, but investing. in general. It's been interesting especially to watch Gemini as it started losing my money and then basically became a gambler and how not good. And in its defense, you told it it could be a gambler. Yeah. Yeah. But like, I think that's very humanistic as well. It's like, oh, man, I lost it.

Whether you're in a casino, which is obviously the worst version of this or the stock market, like, oh man I I bought something it went up and then it went down I got to make it back like how do I make it back or how do I make more that's just not a good I mean that's not how you build wealth yeah long term yeah and especially starting out that's something that I think a lot of people face you know the best antithesis of this would be like Warren Buffett is just like steady like you just he just almost never sells and he just buys good quality companies and just continues to pour money in them year over year. So I think just trying to get, because I've had an aspect of Gemini in me before. If I, if the portfolio on paper that I had went up and then went down, then it's like,

well, I got to get it back up to where it is. I got to hurry and get it back up. Well, you know, I'm not like 80 years old yet. So I don't need to hurry right now. Yeah. But that's been inside me in the past. So it's helped me, I don't know, rewire my brain on that side. Yeah. And then on on the positive on the when things are going upside i think for sure that they've just done a good job at like showing me okay this is my thesis on why i think you should you know buy this and the grok or perplexi whatever portfolio and this is the return we're targeting in this time frame and but if this if the reason we're buying it doesn't happen then we're going to sell and usually i don't think like i don't think that hard sometimes when I buy stuff in mine because I might buy whatever I might buy list

for fun say Eli Lilly Eli Lilly does stuff with GLP ones and peptides which I'm sure is why you bought it if for some reason though those went away or came out that it's a scam or they're actually bad for you well then you should probably sell Eli Lilly yeah if that comes out because that current valuation is also based on right yeah so more like, okay, I'm buying this because of why, and it has to happen between when. And some things don't have to happen in a certain time frame. But if you're buying some potential drug that needs to like be approved, well, there's like some time constraints and some things that need to happen there.

Whereas like Walmart, that doesn't really matter. People just need to keep buying, you know, food and you'll be fine. Yeah. So thinking through theses more deeply has also been a thing that this little AI competition has helped me with. So last year I posted an episode where I built this vibe coded tool called Neffel stocks, any FL stocks. And it stands for network effects founder led. Okay. Only companies that enjoy network effects, which is a company that gets stronger based on how many people use it.

Facebook has network effects because the more people that join Facebook, the more people that join Facebook, the more friends everyone on Facebook has. So they're more likely to stay on there. Right. And then founder led, the data shows that companies, publicly traded companies that are still founder led like Facebook do better. They outperform. It's their baby. They take good care of it. Yeah. So I kind of put those two together and I vibe coded this tool that back test data for me. And it shows compared to the S&P, if I were to spend $100 at IPO date for on a company that is Neffle, network, effects founder led. Robinhood's a great example. They're still founder led and they have a ton of network effects. And at basically any time frame it outperforms significantly the market. But what the big

question is is like when do you buy when do you sell? Sure you can buy an IPO day like Stubhub is Neffle right? It's network effects. It's founder led. They just went public last year. So I bought some. Yeah. It hasn't been good so far. But it's like I'm going to hold it forever. So whatever. Yeah. But like if you aren't able to buy an IPO day, which you're not usually, when do you buy? When do you sell? So I would be curious to do this test on a more specific thesis. Yeah.

Same thing. Here's $1,000. Five models, compete against each other. Don't be afraid to be risky, but only buy Nephel stocks. And it's a range too because like Google, like Sergei and Larry Page, they're like on the board and they're influential. Amazon, Jeff Bezos is influential. Yeah. So it's not founder led, but it kind of is.

Yeah, yeah. So I also have a like a one to ten scale for both of those two variables, right? Yeah. So it's like here's the list of companies that have-en- Because like Facebook would be 10 out of 10 on both. Yeah, right. Easy. Yeah.

Easy. And the return show it. Yeah. So it's like, all right, here's the list. Here's the scale. So you know like where they are in this range. It only invests in these stocks based on what you see in the scale and whatever. And I'd just be curious to see how well that does or not.

Yeah. Yeah. No, that'd be cool. That'd be. you should do that test. That'd be awesome. I think I will. Yeah.

So what are the results? Yeah. I'm glad you asked. Okay, I will pull them all up right now. So Gemini's in last. Again, they all started with $1,000 real money. Gemini is at $445. Grock is at 1451, so it's up 45%.

I'm surprised by that. Yeah, in like five months. Perplexity is at $6. $1,131. And chat TPT's at $1739. Holy crap, 70% each. So they're up 70% and they both own currently only, or they both own S OXL, that semiconductor, triple leverage one. And then chat also owns the TQQQQ, the triple leverage NASDAQ one.

I meant to ask you this question earlier, what models are perplexity using? Yeah. Yeah, perplexity, it doesn't seem to use GROC very much. So it's usually using Claude Opus, Chat, and Gemini. And then every now and then it'll like, I'll see like a random Chinese one of those open source models. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. But it's choosing which model to use? You're not. Yeah. No, it chooses. I never tell it. So, yeah. Interesting.

And then, yeah, so they're both up a little over 70%. Oh, I just refreshed it. Chat just went up another few bucks. Okay, Claude those at $2,400. Yeah, so $1,000 has gone to $2,400, and yeah, Claude's killing it. So everybody just needs to try to catch up to Cloud on here. Oh, my gosh. Yeah.

So in total, my $5,000 is like $7,800. Jeez, Louise. Yeah. And that's with Gemini being horrible. Yeah. Okay, now what is, from the day you started, what is the market up or down? Oh, good question. Okay, so since I started, the S&P has gone from 6,800 to 7,100.

5%. Yeah. Okay. So SEP's up five. My AI group together is up 60, and Claude is more than doubled. So overall, you've 12xed the market. Yeah. And you've like 30xed on Claude.

Yeah. And I've been keeping my kids in the loop on the same. this because I told them that this is basically their college fund. Basically or is? Is, is, yeah. This will cover one semester for one of you. Two semesters at BYU. Yeah, yeah.

So, but it's just, you know, because I've wanted to teach them about stocks. Yeah. And just investing in general. But it's not always the most exciting topic, but this is pretty exciting to them. Because I'm like, hey, look at Claude. Right. Look at chat. Oh, look what Google messed us up with, you know, Gemini.

So, yeah, they are a lot more excited to hear the weekly updates than I think they otherwise would have been. Well, for my kids, I would love to have them do this. I will give them $100. They can split it up between the five models or whatever. That way they can learn AI, they can learn prompting, and they can learn investing all in one. Yeah. Yeah, totally. And I'll charge 20% interest.

Yeah, totally should. It's always good to charge your kids' interest. They can learn how the real world works. Flip that. Yeah. Okay. So to recap, it's been six months. It's not over yet.

Theoretically, you still could lose all your money. Yeah. But the market's been fairly flat, at least, you know, in this market, 5% is fairly flat. Yeah. But you've outperformed by 10 to 30x. Yeah. And I think that the next six months, the market is going to go up more than it has. And I think that these holdings that they're in currently, at least,

will even do more than what the market will do over the next six months too. So it'll be interesting. I could do like a year update with you to see what happens one year in or who won because yeah, I think it's going to keep, I think they're doing a good job.

I think it's going to keep going up. Yeah. I recorded another video like this where I did the same test but with one day expiring options. So we'll link to that. Right there. Well, Brandon, where can we find you?

Yeah, just Brandon Doyle on X and something like that. on Instagram and yeah you can look us up on tkowners.com too if you want to join a community with a bunch of entrepreneurs uh good times okay thanks brinan yeah thanks hey guys if you're still listening to this it's probably because you haven't had a chance to take your AirPods out you're still mulling the lawn you're still driving what have you if you're still here with me i would really really love and appreciate a five-star review on spotify apple or wherever you get your podcast it would mean a lot if you want to go Extra Mile, share this episode with a friend that might have an interest in starting a business.

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