The Kristian Harloff Show - AGAIN?! Star Wars puts the Rey movie on hold?! Another scrapped Star Wars project?

Episode Date: September 23, 2024

Star Wars has been having TONS of problems with their feature films. They announce a movie and then it gets cancleed or put on hold or ther are creative differences. Well it is happening again. The Rey movie starring Daisy Ridley is apparently the latest movie to fall. Is this the last straw or steps to getting things back on track? Beeteljuice 2 wins the box office again beating Transfomers One. Was the bad marketing for Transformers One the reason it didn't hit number one?  Ben Affleck's The Batman's storyboards have been revealed. Gladiator 2 has a second trailer. This and more on the show with Kristian Harloff and John Rocha! #starwars #rey #movies #disney #cancelled #dc #dcu #marvel #movies  OUR SPONSORS AG1: Try AG1 and get a FREE bottle of Vitamin D3K2 AND 5 free AG1 Travel Packs with your first purchase at http://www.drinkAG1.com/BIGTHING. That's a $48 value for FREE if you go to drinkAG1.com/BIGTHING JOYMODE: http://www.tryjoymode.com CODE BIG THING BETTERHELP: Http://www.betterhelp.com/bigthing BILT: http://www.joinbilt.com/BIGTHING

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That's going to be one of the main topics here today. As well, the whole slew of other things on the Christian Harlov show. So make sure you hit that subscribe button. It's me, John Roker. Let's do it. Here we go. All right, welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. It is the Christian Harlov show.

It is Monday. Happy Monday to everyone. I hope you're having a great day. Hope you had a great weekend. Joining me on the show every Monday, as always, John the Outlaw Roker. Hello, John. What's going on? What's going on, buddy? How are you like it?

I know. I know this goes good. Yeah, well, yeah, now that they're, I mean, they're playing really well. You know what's hilarious is that, you know me. I'm two things. Yeah. I am a diehard Yankee fan, and I'm also incredibly particular, and some would say lazy, when it comes to where I'm going to go at what time at night.

And it is a hassle to get to Yankee Stadium from where I am. It's a hassle. So I just wanted to go to a baseball game. I've done this twice now. I've gone to two Mets games since I've been back. They've won one. They got pounded 12 to 2 when I went to the other day. I didn't give it.

I didn't care. But I was like, you know, I'm there with my friends, really. what I was there, but it's so convenient. I'm there. You think Shay is easier. That's Shea. City Field, but yeah. Oh, City Field, sorry. Yeah.

But it weighs. You take one train, you're there in seven minutes. And it's like, yeah, and you drop you off right at the stadium. So I'm like, you know, there's, and plus, way less expensive right now than go to a Yankee game. Because the Mets are kind of in it. The Yankees are in it, are really in it. So, um. How it always is.

Like, the Mets are like that, that club that everyone can get into and there's, parking right outside the door 100% that's why yeah the Yankees are the exclusive club you got to like no people to get in yeah it's a bear to get in there but it's worth it for the experience well it's funny though too because i reached out to my friend you know steward as he said i reached out to him when i when i got here we're talking and he's like um he's like you know we'll catch a yanky game because yeah it's a great mall where they sometimes play baseball on it was like there's anyway um so much to discuss john we've got to i mean this thing the reason why i wanted to choose this one is a main topic is because you and I have been discussing this particular movie,

and we both said, we do not think this movie is, A, going to happen, B, it definitely wasn't going to happen on December of 2026. So there's a new report here, guys, about the Ray movie. Here it is. This is coming from Dark Horizons, which reports earlier this year suggested that Disney Ridley-led film Star Wars New Jetty Order, the one set years after the events of Rise of Skywalker. Kirkwood film as early as this month.

That's not happening. In fact, Daniel RPK is reporting that the film has way more work to be done and is now on hold at Lucasfilm with the earliest that will be able to shoot between somewhere into next year, if that. The film's writer, Stephen Knight, has reportedly been trying to crack the script for well over a year, and a final draft still hasn't been submitted to Lucasfilm. At least four drafts have been submitted with Lucasum's Catholic Kennedy offering numerous notes.

Knight is about to get very busy directing his peeky blunders. movie so it's not clear how much work he'll be doing on the Star Wars script. Damon Lindelof and Justin Britt Gibson previously took a crack at it before departing the project over creative differences. Documentary film of Charmaine Obay Junaoy remains attached to direct the film, which is one of multiple movies in development. The other one is definitely coming as John Fabros, the Mandalorian and Grugoo, which has been filming and hits in May of 2026.

Now, the other added part of this is that. that it has also been announced that Tycho Watiti's movie, which was rumored forever, is also indefinitely put on hold, to which I also would talk to those people, some of which people that we know, who continuously said that, well, yeah, people who think that Ryan Johnson movie isn't happening,

they got other things coming. That movie is also not happening. But he said it was. Sure, so did Tycho Watiti. So did all these other people. Of course, they say it's going to happen. because they want it to happen. They put it out there and it's going to happen. But let's start with this thing.

Because this is, the reason in the intro what I said was, let's take a devil's advocate's side here. Okay. Let's say that this is actually Bob Eiger saying, look, the strategy that you guys put into place is not working. We need home runs. So what we're going to do here is we're going to scrap the idea of two or three movies, or three TV shows a year. we're going to do one. That's going to happen. Let's put that into play. Now let's look at the movies. Mandelorian and Groger, that's our closest thing to a home run because it's mainstream. People see Baby Yoda. They want to go. Greenlight, green light, make it happen, go.

What do you got going on in December? Well, they have this, this, this, and this, and maybe the Ray movie, you know, Force Awakens. Yeah, but that, and maybe they're actually paying attention and seeing that the whole fan base is not on board with that new trilogy, right? That's the devil's advocate's side. Maybe they're putting in the place like this is not something we want to do. Maybe we reach out to Sean Levy. Maybe we figure out the James James Mangold over. Let's see how the Dylan movie does, whatever. And maybe that's devil's advocate. Now, what's likely from this report is it's the same old, same old, where it's Kathleen Kennedy, looks at it, wants it to have it at a different super way, brings in creative people, gets too, too involved, gives a whole

ton of notes in the way that they used to do in the 80s and the 90s and there are people going this is too much this is too much I can't this she doesn't know what she wants nobody on this knows what he wants I'm out they lose it they scrapped the movie that has happened so many different times this is why I reiterate the number one problem at Lucasfilm currently is the regime not just her everybody who's making films and TV got gots to be gutted yeah Yeah, it's, you know, I live in hope for Star Wars because I try to be like, okay, I'm hearing this, but, you know, but there's a thing called a track record. And if you look at a track record over the last few years of what's happened and what's gone on. And yeah, sometimes Kathleen made the right move, you know, removing a director, bringing back a director or bringing in someone to save a movie or save a series.

And sometimes she hasn't. But the last few years, I mean, this has just been at times a train wreck of a franchise and the constant promising and not delivering and changing their minds and moving stuff around. And the thing is, you've got to be honest about what's happening. And I agree, Chris, it took, you know, it took me a long time to come around. I used to invent Kathleen all the time because I was like, no, you know, she's made $6 billion with this franchise. Like, I don't know how many people could make $6 billion with Star Wars. and create a whole new canon and get the books and the comic books, start the series in charge of these movies.

But now we're, I think we're in the end game now. And this is, I mean, the fact that from what I hear from my sources, a Ray movie is something Kathleen was 100% on, like, trying to drive home. She was pushing it, right. She wanted a female-led feature film. It was a huge deal to her to the Ray film. Now, if they're going, well, this is on hold. And from what I understand, because I had heard this,

I know Dark Horizons reported, but I heard this weeks ago from my source that Stephen Knight had, Travis Knight, right, Stephen Knight had to be submitted multiple drafts of the script and was getting frustrated because of that reason that you said, the constant notes and constant notes, and he was at possibly his wits end on this whole situation. So now you throw in the Charmina-Boi-Chinoi situation as well that has already baked into this, and that Sean Levy was working on his own Ray film, this makes it all seem like this film is not going to happen. And I wonder if this is the beginning of the end of Kathleen in charge. And she'll step down gracefully and all of that.

But like, this is possibly the end. And Iger wanting to reshuffle everything completely, as you mentioned, and go forward in that direction and get someone new in there. We will see. But that's the question, right? And that's why I say regime change because it's not, because here's what's going to happen. It's not just replacing Kathleen.

You're right. 100%. This is what's going to happen. They're going, if that scenario happens where she says, I'm going to leave after Mandalorian and Grogu, because we still don't have a 2026 movie. I can leave with a win. I'm out. They're just going to take the executive that's underneath her right now and put her or him in the,

in the forefront. And that is just someone else who's just been following that path. I hope that they're not going to sell to Apple. That's the number one thing that they could do, but they won't. you need to get rid of that regime. They don't know what they're doing. It is not working. They don't even,

because what people will say is, well, look at Mandelaar and Grok, made a billion dollars. Yeah, that's one movie. But they don't have an overall plan. If they did, they wouldn't be bringing in. Let's bring in the guy that does peeky blinders. Great idea. Let's give him so many notes that his head explodes

and he doesn't want to do it anymore. Let's get the, the woman who made, you know, Wonder Woman and made a ton of, and brought that going. Let's get her to do a movie. Let's give her so many notes and everything too she wants to leave. Let's get Lord and Miller to do it. Let's let's have them.

All the choices of who they're getting is good. They run these people. Lindelof, gone. Benny off and Weiss, gone. They just continue to do this. And it's like, I cannot believe it is crazy that this keeps happening. And it's like, yeah, you know, let's try it again. Let's do it again.

It's like, and you can't, you know, you don't just blame her. You can't. You blame the people around her. You blame. And it's whoever, whatever executive's in there. What Iger, Chepec, they keep letting her do it. Yeah. It's like, what are you doing?

This is, yeah. We're back in the same boat again, aren't we? Like, this is what, for those you that are, that were children when the prequel trilogy came out, those of us who were adults, this is the conversation that was happening after that prequel trilogy. George doesn't know what he's doing anymore. These are not good films. They need to get rid of George Lucas. and they'd get rid of everybody involved with George Lucas. They would put out those behind the scenes documentaries.

And you saw like the story team around Lucas when he dropped the phantom menace script. And they're all like losing their minds at how great it was. Because no one's going to tell King George that he's wrong or that he's messing up or this is not going to work. And they didn't work for a lot of us at that age. A lot of us adults or teenagers at that age. Now they, of course, they've become appreciated or reappreciated because the king, kids are now older now, that's fine. But like at the time, that's exactly what.

And this is why George sold it because he was sick of the criticism that was constantly happening and he wanted someone else to take a shot at it. This will never end. So even if you replace Kathleen in the regime, the new regime comes in here, there will be people invested in trying to cut down that regime in some way, shape, or form. So it's just rinse, repeat. And someone who's been there through both of these experiences. I agree.

Look, I agree and disagree at the same time. I agree that there's going to be criticism on this IP until the end of time. Because people, it means so much when they have a certain idea of what they want it to be like, I agree. However, there's also the, when the majority of it shifts and whether or not, when you're looking right now, when you and I are part of them going, what are you guys doing? You're putting out $180 million shows and putting subpart stuff out. You're losing writers left. And there's criticism that's warranted.

And then there's criticism because you're just going to do it no matter what. Right. Now, I would say that they were, it was like this is where this is everybody who wants to criticize it. And then it just started going. Yes. Right. And so I think that, you know, you can, like you said, you're always going to have no.

And it said a lot of people who get into acting, comedy, everything, they always have this idea. You want everybody to love you. You want everyone. Not everybody's going to love you. The most lovable guy in Adam Sandler are the people who hate his guts, right? Yeah. And he's the most lovable, like, supposed to the greatest person to ever work with people,

and some people hate him. It's just part of it. But the question is, it's what the majority think. So, like, if you get in the same way that, like, when we talk sports references, right? If there's sports team that, you know, that we both enjoy, we're like, okay, the coaching staff isn't in. They bring in a new coach from a new system. We go, okay, great, there's still people are going to go, oh, why'd they put that pitcher in?

We're like, well, whine about it. They're still in first place now. as long as they're in first place and they're winning games and that's that's the most important thing so if they're putting out like if they if the people who are complaining about the next regime that comes in but they're putting out movies you're like wow that was like the the end game of star wars and that was like this of star wars and you start comparing you like wow the it's it gets nominated for an oscar it does that you're like I don't care what those idiots are saying this is like this is working well just like sports right you determine success on the field

by how full the stadium is, right? Like you can win, but you've got to fill that stadium as well. And that's where Star Wars is starting to fail lately because of the viewership numbers, because of this, the disinterest, the fact that even the casual Star Wars fans are like, what is this? I don't even, I'm not going to watch this. You know what it is, John? But John, you know what it is?

They feel so disconnected to the fan base. Yes. You know what I mean? Like, not the portion that loves it all. I mean, they're going to, like you said, you can put anything out. The middle. the middle they're just so disconnected from it and i and is there a play like from iger going hey guys if this is such a mess right now let's just wait let's put what do what do we think what's mangold's

thing looking like let's put that out you guys have that locked in already what's what is levy shone levy has a has a thing that you know and and what they'll probably do and it doesn't make me go oh that's what you should do it makes me nervous because shon levy had just he's the latest guy to do a billion dollar movie so they're like oh let's get him now let's put him there. That doesn't guarantee success. That just guarantees that maybe he's got a good team around it, but who's to say that he's not going to run into the same problem with the Lucasfilm regime? Yeah, and don't get it twisted. It isn't like there weren't critics who went after Deadpool and Wolverine for legitimate story issues, legitimate character issues, legitimate canon issues throughout

that movie. Most of us just wanted to turn our brain off and have fun. But if you looked at it analytically, there are some issues with the Deadpool and Wolverine movie, as they're having to been with every Sean Levy movie. Let's put that on the table as well. So like just handing her handing Ray over to him and who what guarantees Daisy will want to go and do something with Sean because maybe there was something here with Charmino Bay-Chanoi, the point of view having a female filmmaker, you know, there was something here with a 12 million dollars, she'll do it. Maybe, maybe. I don't know. But like, you know, these situations I think will pop up and it'll be interesting sale because I mean it's a shame because we've seen Daisy recently like doing all this

press tour doing all this all these she wants to do it you know I want to see more of her and I hope she gets I hope she gets a ray movie that's worth it but I wonder also how much like the accolade comes into play with this stuff too because let's say because let's touchstone man 100% let's say that can and I don't know this is all speculation but let's let's say Kathleen Kennedy was giving notes to make it more like because she loved the accolite so much as she did She's like she given Stephen Knight's notes to make it more like that and then Then they get nervous and then there's notes from above to try to do this and this and then she tells them to do something else And it's just like there's no it's it it's like a stat chasing thing as opposed to what just trust in your story and trust if you knew the damn like

What it really was if you really knew what it was you wouldn't need to do all this stuff you would say okay Steve here's a thing we have the this is Ray story this is it this is what we want to do like I couldn't even imagine what these notes are It's like it is. It really is like the baseball thing. He keeps putting like one of the best hitters and the eight spot. And then we're not getting runs and be, or you're relying on one, like, look at the Yankees for a lot of this year. Just relying on judge for the most part to just to get them out of holes.

But it's like you can't do that. You can't, if you want to keep winning, your pitching's got to be good. You got to have your, you got to have everybody kind of hitting and doing stuff. You got to make sure the team is working. The team is not working. And we are broken record in the same way. who added the two of us, the answer is neither. Who in this comment section was surprised to hear that Tycho Wattiti's movie isn't happening?

Yeah, no. I mean, we said that months ago on the hot mic, you know, when as soon as Tyca said, well, I mean, I can turn in the script. Doesn't mean the film's going to get done. Both Jeff and I were like, yep, that's not happening. It's not happening because, I mean, as soon as the creators start to throw out the idea that their film is not going to get made or might not get made, that means they've been told that it'll be a long shot for that film to get made. Right.

Too many, too many, too many people who watch this industry, some, and I don't want to accuse anybody, like some of the fans who watch this industry, they really live in a Pollyanna existence. Like, this is a business, and it is a ruthless business, okay? Yes, you can watch the movie and you feel good about yourself. You get inspired and go and chase your dreams. But behind the scenes, as we just saw if you read that IGN article on Pixar, are. It is a brutal business to people who work in this business. And so they promise you

everything. It doesn't mean you're going to get it. And stop believing in these people so much that they're telling you the honest truth in these interviews and telling you the honest truth in these assessments are coming out and doing these presentations. And yeah, yeah, I mean, come on, guys. But it's also, yes, in a company. Yes, the Kumbaya stuff. It drives me nuts also. But it's not, it's not defeat. If those people, if those people leave and new people come in and they because I see all this stuff like well you're letting the bad guys win if you start to do you know changes to it's like no it's it's clearly not working it's like it's not working it's so clear to I mean look at now I'm not saying that there aren't people who enjoy

some of this stuff you no one should be crapped on for their opinion if they like something but course but you have to also say the in the same conversation we had before if the majority is not digging it on a massive franchise that you you paid $4.1 or $4.2 billion for, you got to maneuver. You have to change. And the fact that it is irresponsible at this point that if you can look, if you're sitting in Bob Eager's chair and if you don't have anything to do with this and you're like, it happened again?

Yeah. The movie that we're supposed to have another movie, we're supposed to have another Star Wars movie. We haven't had a movie since 2019. I asked for two of them. And it's getting pushed again. I'm losing, I'm saying, who am I firing? How many people am I firing right now? This has to change.

I can't believe it. It's crazy. This is a crazy, crazy, crazy scenario that's been happening for years. And as a fan base, we have a right to demand more and demand better. And there is, because all of us who go to this stuff are spending our hard-earned money. At a time over the last 10 years of the economies have not been great. we've all been taking multiple jobs or something like it's legitimately our money that goes into this stuff and so we have a right to be like hey make make some changes here do something to fix

this because we want to enjoy and invest back into this franchise back into these shows and these movies and again nothing against anybody who liked it you know as someone who ghost unfollowed me i don't like to yuck anyone's yum it's this kind of situation here where you're like okay yes glad you liked it, but clearly you have to be objective and see that a majority of people didn't like it. And so because a majority of people are not liking it, this is not a 24.

This is not some independent film that you can champion. You know, this is a franchise. But look at the wins, John. Look at the wins. Right. The wins to losses. If you look at Star Wars as a whole, the wins to losses. Yeah. They ain't playing 500 ball. No. Not at all. At all. Like when

when Marvel started a slide, that's because of like tons of winning seasons and like they were they were bad in a thousand and for for a while now I don't know you know Thor Dark World sure but they still made money and kept everything going and I like Thor Dark World I'm one of the few people but anyway the point is yeah but the point is it was it was moving it didn't start to have a slide until after end game and all those types of things really what are they what are they doing there's too much and now they're starting to I mean we'll talk about the Thunderbolts in a second they seem to like they're changing they're changing they

looked at what they were doing they're changing things up they're changing tone they're slowing things down and they've got they at least have a directive right so but the star wars i mean the new trilogy okay it made money in my same argument from before but overall kind of split the fan base in two and and and and even that middle is saying like those just aren't really good movies overall you know they just and and even if you like if you love force awakens and last jedi they don't all make sense together they're they're different creators making different movies and nobody can argue that. You can say I liked all three of them.

Yeah, okay, fine, but can you tell me that there are well-crafted trilogy that people were working on together? No, it was a divided thing. The shows of, look, this is coming from someone who thought shows should take over as opposed to television, and that has been a disastrous experience in general.

They have dropped the ball on what they... I mean, the perfect example is Obi-W-W-W-W-W-W-W-W-W. That was an easy, touchdown. That was about the easiest touchdown you could possibly get. They had a script that if you read what it was all, what was it was about in the way that the original script was, they had they just adapted that thing and extended it out a little bit more in the base that they had home run, touchdown, all of it. They had all of it. And they're blowing it left and right. So yeah, they're overthinking it. And I think what you said like earlier, they have a chart and they're

trying to check all the things off the chart. And that's not, that's not going to lead to creatively fulfilling results, you know? And look, I had no problem with little Leah. I had no problem with it. Did I have a problem with the flea stuff? Yes. And I knew that from the first episode. But it should have just been Kenobi and Vader and what they're doing there and what they're experiencing and what that's what the fans wanted. Sometimes it's okay. You know what I, you and I, we've watched wrestling for years. You wrote for WW for a year. Sometimes giving the the fans what they want is the thing to do. Sometimes swerving them is fun, but giving them what they want sometimes is the thing to do.

And if they just kept it to Canobi and a Vader, it would have been fine. And I had, I have nothing as Reva. I have nothing against Leah. I think those could have been fun characters in something else, but it's clear that that's it, that was an issue for Canobi. Yeah. I mean, if you look at the TV series, you can maybe name three to four seasons tops that you enjoyed of any of the series and the rest are middling middling series that two seasons of

mandolorean the two seasons of mandolarian were really great you had and or for sure yeah i i like a soka less and less every time if there's really enjoy it but i i enjoyed it the first time i watched it and then going back to it's it's pretty it's pretty piss poor when you look at the writing and stuff too um and then oboe one bobafeblet acolyte it just boom boom boom boom boom and the three. It's like that it was fine. It wasn't great. Look, I say this. It's World War Season 7. That's the other great one. Which one? Clone War season. Yeah. And we're looking, you know, we're talking about that was, that was letting Faloni finishes his series, which any, and he continued on. Absolutely. But I don't know,

man, this is to me just an add in the mess. I don't think it's going to get better until, and I'm, I think you have to, you have to change your regime. You've got it. You've got to change Lucasfilm. It has to be changed. You've got to get rid of all the executives over there. You've got to change it up. If I'm Bob Eager, I'm bringing up a whole new team. Like I said, you leave the animation team, you leave the video team team, team, you leave the book team. They're doing fine. You leave them alone. You take that film and TV and you throw it to the side and you say it's time for new people. You know, we'll help it. We'll give you good recommendations everywhere else, wherever jobs you want. We can help you find them. But time to go. It's not working.

And what about Faloni? Moving back to animation. Let him do his movie. If he wants to finish it up, I don't think anyone would care if you were like, hey, you know what? We decided not to do this big closing movie

of the Mandoverse. No one would care. Who's really, really excited? I mean, excited to see it. It's like, okay, it's going to combine a Boba Fett. Even the main character, the main actor, didn't love.

You're going to do all this stuff to it. It's like, just, it's time. it's time to move past these people that are there. They're not. It's not the right. They're not the right people. If they're pushing, if they're delaying the Ray movie, they're pushing away the Tycho a Titi movie.

And of course, we're Ryan Johnson. We're never going to see that truth. Yeah. All these things. They're all Kathleen things. So that should tell you something. If they're putting on hold or delaying or shoving those things to decide, it's because they're going to make a change. It's not going to happen right now or overnight.

It's going to be a slow moving ship, but they will be changing regime by next year at some point. The regime or the regime or Kathleen Kennedy? I think all of it. You think so? Because Iger's a smart mofo. He doesn't play around. I'll bet you money.

I'll bet you this. I know we're not going to bet. I bet any money anymore. But I'll bet here's what's going to happen. We're going to, Kathleen Kennedy is going to say, and Kerry Beck is going to get the role. That's what's going to happen. Kerry Beck will get it. And nothing against Carrie Beck.

She's also very well. loves over there too, but it's also part of the same regime that's been doing stuff. I think it'll be, it'll go from Kathleen to carry back. That's what's going to happen. But I don't, but I, I'm with you, obviously. I think that it should be. It's time for a whole new team. We own Lucasfilm.

We're bringing in a new, people who would you get? It's like someone that you guys don't know, an executive who's been moving up the ranks and doing something, you know, some woman or a man that's been doing anywhere from like 40 to 50 years old, been part of this thing, and it's time the same way that Fagie was moving up and doing those types of things. And this is the other thing that I think is misleading. So I saw some in the comments say, let Faloni cook. He hasn't been in his job that long. Yes, he has. He hasn't been, but that's, but that's not that person's fault. Because to them, they see the announcement that he's, that when he was in that role for a good year and a half before that

announcement even came out. He's been very involved with the TV shows. He's been very involved with the creators. He's been very vocal about what show should be part or work towards Lucas Hill and what doesn't. He's been, he has been cooking and he's been making raw burgers. Asoka was this meal.

I mean, what are you talking about? That's the thing. He's been cooking, but you're right. Christian, sometimes I do get a bit emotional because I'm a fan like everybody else. You know, I just got lucky to fall into this as a career and I'm very happy to do it. But like, I have to be patient because sometimes people do go like, well, from the announcement, that's when he officially got the job.

But the truth is, you and I and many people are close to what goes on behind the scenes. And we know that people have been doing their job for a while before they get the official job in certain situations. And because Faloni was in-house and not being brought from out of house, there's no way all these creators, all these people who are making stuff, didn't have to run stuff by Faloni. And in fact, one of the writers for Ackleit said that and then had a deactivated her Twitter account because people were coming after her for what she said. And she essentially said, Faloni gave notes on all the scripts.

So imagine if you're getting Kathleen Kennedy notes and Faloni notes and you're supposed to create some film or TV show. Yeah. I would go insane. I would go insane. And it's it's them both thinking they know more than I think that they really do. But anyway, there's a lot. That's a lot. So I'm very curious to what you guys think about all this. Obviously in the comment section, we've seen people be pretty active. If you're watching on the replay,

put your comments in there. Let us know. Do you think that this should be a regime change? Should it just be one person? Give them all a chance? How do you feel about it? I'm very curious to what you think. Or is this just going to keep happening again and again and again? After Mandelorin and Grogu performs, which I believe it will, people go, okay, they're back on track, which I don't think will be the case. We got a lot more to cover. We have a couple, we had the Thunderbolts trailer, the drop, and we'll discuss that in just a moment.

I already see people putting in comments last week. John Roka was the champ with 73 questions. He's already started at 33 here before we even announced it. So if, I don't know, John can start the week out again with a big win, we'll see, but John is the guy to beat at 73 for last week. And I guess it's fresh right now. He's the guy to beat at 33 because the week just started. But we're going to move on.

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You know, John, before we went to break there, I said I was going to jump into that Thunderbolts thing. Yeah. I lied. There is a breaking story here at Deadline that I'm going to bring up right now. And that is that Kyle Chubhalsh. Chandler is in talks to star in Lanterns DC series for HBO. Interesting.

Emmy winner Kyle Chandler is in negotiations to star in Lantern. HBO's high-profile series based on the Green Lantern DC Comics Sources Tell Deadline. No one is commenting, but I hear Chandler is poised to play Hal Jordan, the Green Lantern character that was played by Ryan Reynolds in the 2011 movie. The series from Ozarks Chris Mundy, Watchman's Damon Lindeloff, and comic book writer Tom follows new recruit John Stewart and Lantern Legend, Hal Jordan, two intergalactic cops drawn into a dark, earth-based mystery as they investigate the murder in American Heartland. The eight-episode lanterns is produced by HBO in association with Warner Brothers Television,

DC Studios, Monday, who will serve as a showrunner, Linda Lof and King, are co-writing and executive producing. The project, which received a straight-to-series order in June, marks one of the first titles to come out of the revamped DC Studios. John Stewart, Hal Jordan are two of the most DC compelling characters, and Lanterns brings them to life in an original detective story that is a foundational part of the Unified DCU. We're launching next summer with Superman, DC Studios co-chairman

and co-CEO James Gunn, Peter Safran, said at the time of this year's announcement, Chandler, an Emmy winner for his signature role on Friday Night Lights also starred in Bloodline, Catch-22, and Super Pumpton features. He will next be seen in back-in-action and anniversary. Okay, so this is a... a name. Yes. Very similar to what we said before with Joel Edgerton that doesn't get brought up because he's not like the big flashy, sexy name. But when you see him, you go, that guy's great. He's a great actor. Now, does he move the needle as far as like, oh, I'm going to go watch this

because Kyle Chandler's in it? No. Is that necessary? Not really. It also depends on who's John Stewart, right? Yes. Yes. I can't remember who it was. He might, if it was you, forgive me, but someone told me that it seemed as if John Stewart had already been cast. Maybe it was Winston. I didn't say. Maybe it was true. But someone said that it seems like James Gunn tweeted something out, I don't know, there was kind of hinting or whatever it might be. But Kyle Chandler, a name that has not been on the list, very curious to what Jeff Snyder, who is now in, you can't even find him on the map anymore unless you go to the newsletter. But he's, but I wonder what Jeff Snyder's hearing about.

this stuff what do you think about Kyle Chandler I think we have brought him up in conversation because we talked about this lanterns thing two or three times recently but I was under the impression that they wanted to go with a theatrical name and no offense to Kyle Kyle is a damn good actor and certainly is fun when he pops up in theatrical features but he doesn't lead features you know he doesn't he's fun in the Godzilla Kong thing, whatever the installment he was in. He's fun in Wolf of Wall Street, but he's not a guy that you look to to lead your film. Now, on TV, that's a whole other ballgame.

Friday night lights, what have you. Kyle brings a strength and a power to his acting. And I think him as a, I'm going to say him as a Hal Jordan for a TV version of lanterns makes sense to me. I don't know how far down the list he is before they reached out to him and started negotiating. And I tell you this, Kyle probably doesn't care if it's good money. But like this could be interesting. And I think this is smart if you're going to go with a John Stewart who is essentially going to kind of outshine Kyle Chandler. If you go with a theatrical actor for John Stewart, I think that's going to be interesting. And look, Kyle's a great energy.

It's a fun guy. And I bet James Gunn loves this idea of bringing Kyle Chandler. into the DC universe. So to me, I think this makes sense. But I mean, Josh Brolin and Kyle Chandler is too, are too, very different. But I'll say, I think Kyle Chandler is great. I wouldn't associate the word fun next to his performances. Like, Bloodline, Friday Night Lights, like he's, he doesn't, he serious and also the, can I see him playing the old chiseled Hal Jordan being the mentor and the true detective? One thousand percent. oh yeah i could see that perfect for for if this is where they're going with as the mentor guy

per i love kyle shaling this is going to elevate the show there's going to be no doubt and as the true detective side is the the older kind of grizzled lantern yeah absolutely it works um it's just it frustrated yeah and then pushing into the movies and stuff and if you're like okay well that's how you establish them a little bit more there he's going to deliver and and i'd also wonder when they're going after that list of if they're how true it was the macaonahe of it all you know the you and all of them if they were like one of two things well you guys wanted josh now you're coming after me i'm out of here no thanks or were they more so going the superhero thing i'm just it it's got a it's got a stink on it right now it's got a stink on it now it's like okay and on

tv i'm not you're not going to put me in the movies well you're kind of are but we're not sure we're going to be locked in for quite a while you can lock kyle chanler into a deal you can lock him into a big deal. So this makes a lot of sense. It doesn't say that he's accepted. It just says that, you know, deadline reported. So it seems like it's probably close to happening, but I like

this news. Well, I guess let me rephrase when I say fun. I mean, I'm watching an actor enjoy that what he's doing. Sure, sure, sure. I look at it from a different point of view. I'm not saying that he radiates a fun. I'm saying like when I watch him work, I know he's having a great time bringing these characters to life

and being challenged. And so I'm watching that. But yes, he's obviously, as you mentioned, Bloodline, he's obviously able to bring a real grittiness and an earthiness and a grounded frustration and bitterness and all of that, but also a hopefulness, as you saw on Friday night lights. And he can't let loose a little bit, as you saw in Wolf of Wall Street. And he can be giving the lessons like he does in Wolf of Wall Street, right? Trying to counsel Jordan in those moments. Like, you could see that working for this show. I actually, the more I think about it, I actually like this choice. Yeah, much more than Josh Brolin. Because he looks like a how George much more than Josh did. Like a younger, yeah,

and you see him as he probably, you know, young hot shop when he got, and as he got old. Yeah, it's, it's, it really is. It's just, I think that the reason we there was any kind of like, oh, really, it's just because the reports we've been talking about for the last couple of weeks of how they wanted the big, huge, flashy name. Right. This is not a flashy name. This is a great actor that people go, oh, I like that guy. Yeah. You know, it's a solid name. It's a real solid name. This is, if they, if they get Kyle Chandler, this is, it shows that they're going after quality in general.

Because even the actors on that list, yes, they were all big movie stars, but they were really great acting movie stars. It wasn't just a name and it's like, nah, it's kind of a wooden person. But it's like, no, they're all great actors that they're going, they're going for great actors. Plus. Yeah. And let me throw something else out there. He could go toe to toe with Sina. Sina as Peacemaker versus Kyle Chandler as Hal Jordan

and peacemaker starts laying into him, you could see a Kyle Chandler held Jordan putting his ass in his place. And so that's another element of this that Kyle Chandler can play within the James Gunn universe really well weaving between humor and seriousness without losing the stakes of either. So I think that's another positive in his column.

Like you said, if he accepts it and if this is the choice going forward. Yeah. So what do you guys think? Chandler the guy? Do you think he's going to take the role? Should he take the role? Do you like him in the role? Put your comments in there. Tell me exactly what you think. All right. The Thunderbolts. Could this movie be a hit? Could it be? Well, the trailer hit today and John Roker's favorite actress in the world. Oh my God. Florence Pugh was in is in this movie.

And we're going to talk about the first trailer here in just the second, the big trailer, which people were wondering why we're in so few reactions and people are asking me like ppld wrote today he's like hey you missed the first two minutes of the trailer no i didn't disney was blocking everybody you from this trailer i cut out the first two minutes to see if that was going to help i just have wound up i just like i cut out i watched the whole scene i watched all this but they were blocking everybody so you know you know so many people that didn't get their reactions up or got them out late because for some reason it wasn't even like they were demonetizing it they're blocking it they're blocking it everybody. It was weird. But nonetheless, the trailer dropped. And Marvel Studios has premiered the first trailer and poster for their Thunderbolts film ahead of the movies release next summer. Shot in Atlanta, Utah, and New York earlier this year. The film sees the team up of some of the

MCU anti-heroes and villains as they go on missions for the government. Effectively, Marvel Suicide Squad. The team includes Sebastian Stan as Winter Soldier, Florence Pew, as the Elena Bilova, David Harbor as the Red Guardian, Wyatt Russell is, as, isn't he, John Walker? Yeah. Why does he say as U.S. agent? Well, that's the other name for, yeah,

for his version of Captain America in the comics. Whatever. Hannah, John Kamen as Ghost and Olga Curlienko as Taskmaster. Also on board are Julia Louise Dreyfitts, is Valentin Eligra, DeFontaine. Geraldine, there's a lot of other people. The film is feeling directed by Jake Schreer with a script from Joanna Clio, yada, yada.

Okay. This movie looked way different. Well, I didn't even see your reaction. Before I even get into this, thus, what did you think of the trailer? I thought the trailer, I just, you know, I was able to put it up earlier full. It's, you know, it's not monetized, so it is what it is. But if you want to watch it, my reaction is up on my channel. But yeah, I liked it.

It was fine. And I, but I didn't walk out of that trailer going, yeah. And I was hoping I was going to get a yeah moment. And, you know, people know that I've been saying this film was never going to happen, but I guess it's happening now. And I just was a little like, okay, this is cool. This is fine. And I love that they're focusing on Florence. It's a nice, interesting energy to bring into this Yelena situation that she's missing something.

Because we've seen her be so confident for, you know, all the stuff with Hawkeye, all the stuff in Black Widow. She's kind of confident throughout. This is a different energy. This is a different layer to her, color to her. and you're seeing all the other thunderbolts in the same position kind of adrift because of all the stuff that they've separately experienced in the MCU in their lives. So how is she going to bring them together? And who is the real villain of the movie?

Is it Valentina? Is it someone else? Why is Bucky fighting them? Is he being sent by the government in some way? So there's a lot of things to untangle. The action sequences looked fine. I think some of the humor fell flat. But overall, I thought it was fine, but just not exciting.

Well, before I give my thoughts, me ask you this question will lewis pullman be playing characters named bob for the rest of his career yeah i know i said the same thing in my reaction he's bob again he's bob again i was like at first i was like wait a minute yeah he's why he's doing another bob character um so i felt differently about this trailer i i liked this trailer um because i knew nothing about this i didn't care about this movie at all all i knew was essentially what we talked about before which is marvelous trying to clean themselves up they essentially shot a different movie with Captain America because they looked at it and they said like that movie's going to be a loss no matter what

because they spent like 400 or basically shot two movies but they said look we need to shoot this over again and then we'll get everything back in the other movies because we're going to fix it up and if we make a good movie and the trailer is pretty good I like what they got what they did everything thus far they're really promoting the hell out of Red Hulk and they are leading into then this movie this movie I was wondering is this just going to be because a suicide squad is a lot of people can be comparing them to calls on some humor, and especially when you got James Gunn making the good one, then there's going to be a lot of humor throughout it. And I was like, okay, is this going to be them joke fest city,

and are we going to get the marvels all over again, or are we going to get Love and Thunder all over again? There's jokes, but they're not relying on it. And it's a lot of David Harbor doing a lot of the jokes, minus like the Bob joke and everything too. But for the most part, it seems like they're taking it pretty serious. I love Julie Louise Dreyfus. I don't

think she fits in the MCU. Again, I said this as well. I've been saying this since she appeared. She is the completely wrong tone, wrong character, wrong actress in this character. I love her. I love her. I love her. Some episodes of

Veepe this morning when I woke up. She's great. She hasn't had a chance yet to prove us wrong. You know what I mean? She hasn't had a chance yet to say, and this could be the movie, proves us wrong or it could be like yes out of everybody she just it just seems like she's doing her her stick and it's not working this time around um but the movie itself looked pretty solid to me and i mean it had me it had me curious it didn't have me going pass on that one

had me going okay because what this movie is dependent on is just like the suicide squad is the chemistry between the cast if is you're getting you're getting stuff you're getting the the blueprint of what this movie is. You're like, okay, here's this, we've seen it a million times over. This is a cast of misfits to have the band together and they, you know, yes, you don't know who the hell the villain is, but it's like, does it work with them? And the trailer sure works so far, but can you do two hours of that? If you can do that for two hours and you can get people and you're excited to see the characters because ghost didn't get to do anything in that damn Antman movie. So maybe you're able to change that up, you know, and change and make all these people more charismatic, the dynamic,

differently, you know, you put the, if that delivers, then you might have a hit on your hands because you want to see them. It's like a band. You're like, oh, I didn't know. I didn't know I was going to like that band. They had a couple really good, good songs. Yeah. So there's a possibility. And if it is a good movie, it also allows then that one more cushion to get to Fantastic Four. Right, right. Yeah, I mean, I think they don't expect this film to make a billion dollars. I think they'll be happy if this film makes, I don't know, five to seven 50 somewhere around there. If it does that. That's a big number too. What's that? That's a big number also for, yeah, for when is this maybe 500, maybe 500. When does this come out? May 25th. I mean, I don't know. You put a movie out in

May. You're not wrong. 500 is probably a disappointment. You know, that's they've got a challenge. I mean, they've got it, they've got a challenge on their hands for sure because this is a movie that comes out in 2015, 2014, you got a shot to make $800 million, billion because you're like, yeah, they're just moving. Right. Now, Captain America delivers this movie's got a shot to do it. To make it because it's like, okay, maybe Marvel's coming back. If Captain America stinks up the joint, then you've got even more of a challenge.

She's like, oh, here's another one that I just don't care about. Just get me to Fantastic Four. And that could be a problem. So, but I do, I do acknowledge, and I think that Marvel is making the steps to try to change it up with tone, with everything, too. Because I've noticed the last two trailers have seemed like, no, we're just making, we're making some action comic book movies. Deadpool is its own thing. It's a comedy. It needs to be because of the character and who the character is.

But the next couple of movies seem like they're really trying, they're getting away from the, you know, the goofiness. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, even the opening, right? Like this could have easily been played for stupid fun, right? Her walking in and he's got a disheveled living room and she's like, do you feel fulfilled? And he makes the joke, yes, very filled, very full. Why?

And then she goes right into her and we. And so you're like, oh, this is a change. And even throughout the trailer, there are moments of humor, but they're followed really quickly by this feeling of like everyone is missing something. It's again, here we go. It's like Agatha all along. Everyone is missing something. And so they're being brought together and maybe by coming together and going on this mission, the thing that each of them is missing will be returned to their lives or they come to some closure with it by the end. I don't know, but it seems like it's got that energy to it all over again. All right, Thunderbolt, is it going to make a lot of money? Is it going to be a hit? Is it going to crash and burn? What say you put your comments in there? What did you think of the trailer? if you're watching live, if you're watching on the replay, please deal. And we're available on Apple Podcasts.

You can comment now on Spotify, so all of that. John, I'm upset. You're upset? I'm upset. Okay, what's wrong now? The box office. The box office happened, and I'm upset. Because Beel's Juice, good for Beetlejuice.

It's now made handover fit. It's doing really well. The bioexers beat the, but it, beat the Autobots at the box office this weekend and what turned out to be an unexpectedly tight race. Did you see Transformers yet? I have not seen it. I'm seeing it this afternoon. Don't talk to me. Tim Burton's Beetlejuice to retain the crown at the domestic box office in its third week, taking in the 26 million to bring its total up to 225 and 329 worldwide. The 75 million budgeted animated Transformer 1 riding on strong critical reviews and a great A cinema score in audience

came in considerably below with only 25 million domestic in second place. Overseas, lackluster, $14 million start. The hope is now that the film will have potential legs, though we'll face competition from the Wild Robot, which has stellar reviews and is taken in 6.8 already in few markets this weekend. Also debuting was Crawl, Director Alexander Aja's Holly Berry's Led Survival Thriller Never Let Go, which came in fourth with an underwhelming 4.5 million along with mixed reviews and honestly should have debuted on Netflix.

didn't write that but they should um that that continues a disastrous run for lionsgate following the abuse of the killers game with six two point six the crow four point six and a costly borderlands eight point six demi more led body horror satire the substance open in sixth place with three point one the title earning the actress some of the best reviews of her career speak no evil remake number three at five point nine just down 48 percent from its opening weekend which is solid for the genre that film stands at 21.5 uh and is domestically and as much again overseas. Deadpole Wolverine rounded up the top five

with a further 3.8 million. It is now at 1.3 globally. Okay. So here's the problem. Here's the reason why I transform it. Whoever did that first trailer should be fired. And it's not necessarily the person who cut the trailer because they were given notes.

Whoever gave the notes to do that trailer and say, make it more towards this. That trailer does not represent what that movie is at all. It turned a lot of people. off from it and there was I can't even tell you how many people from my when I did the out of the theater reaction the review said I wasn't going to see this movie because you hated the trailer so much I hated the trailer so much I don't want to see anything it didn't think it was for me at all I didn't want to go check it out and had I not seen my review other people's reviews talking about great it is

they never would have seen it right and I think that it's just really bad the marketing was really really bad for this movie and it's going to be the same as bumblebee bumblebee bumblebee be is the best live action one that they made. It probably did the worst out of all the other ones. And that's because he just kept getting hammered by bad movie after bad movie after bad movie. Didn't even have Transformers in the damn title when they did it. And then we're like, well, we can't do more movies like that. And they think that it's bad.

And so they're not going to do a Transformers 2 or Transformers, whatever it's called. The second one, they're not going to do it because they're going to think, oh, maybe people didn't like it. This will find an audience once it hits. Paramount plus and once it hits all these other things that's when people are really going to discover this thing But I encourage people to get out and see this movie in the theater. It is one of the best movies of the year I don't know here's what I'll tell you You know I can like what I'm gonna say because I disagree with everything you said oh okay

Yeah He's what I'd say the bumblebee situation had nothing to do with them putting transformers in the title don't say it's not because Michael Bay was there Don't say it I look I can say what I like and I think Michael way was there and He was an EP. He didn't make the film, but he wasn't a movie. But it was, I think it was because it was a very provincial film. It is a boy and his dog, right? It is a young woman and her dog, her pet, Bumblebee, right? It's very small in its approach.

Whereas the Transformers films made billions because they had all the transformers. There were massive fights. I don't disagree with that. Spectical. And that's, that's why Bumblebee didn't make his mind. If it had been Optimus Prime and, And a young woman, I think that would have made more money. I don't disagree with.

With this, though, I think the reason there's nothing to do with the trailer. It's the fact that people aren't running out to see animated Transformers movies. They're not. And I get you. And I'm listening, A War for Roheem, it's also not going to do that well at the box office. I'm telling you, people don't want to run out and see shit and animated that they love watching live action. I think this is. I'm not saying anything against animation.

I'm not saying anything as ever, the quality of these films. It's, I'm talking about the casual filmgoer that you need to. to get into the theater to make these films big hits. They're not front enough to see an animated Transformers or Lord of the Rings movie. Well, wait, I don't necessarily disagree with anything that you just said there. I think that it's combined with what I said,

to be completely honest with you, I think that if there was a better trailer that represented it, you're gonna get people talking about it more. It's not gonna necessarily went over those people you're talking about. But if those trailers are coming out and you're like, oh, wow, that looks pretty good. What is this?

It's like, yeah, it's an animated film, I'm not gonna see it. You're still gonna get that conversation. is a 100%. But if the trailer is already expressing interest, I'm telling you that even what the detriment to that movie is, is that the people that do want to see it in the theater because it's a Transformers movie,

doesn't want to see it because of the trailer. So you're not only taking away those people that didn't want to see it in the first place, you're taking away the people that wanted to see it but thought it wasn't for them, thought it was for kids, and then you're knocking off $5 to $10 million. Are you going to make it $100 million hit?

No, your point is more than valid. that you're not going to make $100 million in that movie, but you could have made $40. You could have easily made $40 on that. I'm telling you, dude, that trailer is a gross representation of what that movie is. Now, the second trailer I saw it afterwards, and it's closer,

but it is easily in the conversation to being the best Transformers theatrical movie ever. But that first trailer was supposed to appeal to kids. It was supposed to get kids to come to the movie, to get their parents, to drag them to see this film, right? That's what was the point of the first trailer. They thought they were going for the easy audience. Let's get the kids in here.

Right. Mistake. And when the reaction to the older fans of Transformers, like out of kids' age, was so negative, that's when they adjusted for the second trailer and tried to appeal to those of us who are not kids. And so I didn't mind the first trailer. I thought it was fun. And I knew what they were going for. The second trailer was certainly better.

So I was, you know, already on board. It's just that there's no rush to see it. So I'll see it today. But I just think it's at the end of the days, it's that people weren't that interested in an animated Transformers prequel movie. And for whatever, once you've seen it live action, it's tough to go back. Go ahead and release a what if Marvel movie. Yeah, I know how good you think that film is going to do. It's not.

It's not going to do well. I just think, yeah, but it just depends on what you're trying, when you're saying doing well, what are you talking about as far as box office goes, right? Well, I mean, obviously three times whatever the box office. Right. Whatever the budget was. But when you do that? No, but when you're making an animated film, you're saying, look, this is, we want to at least hit this. So that will justify us doing a second one.

And maybe that can even tie into another show that we do with it and that this gets your hopes down. Because this is going to find an audience when it comes out. People are going to find this movie when it comes out on Paramount going, oh, man, I wish I would have seen that in the theater. But they're not going to be kicking themselves in the butt because of what you said. You know, it's like, anyway. So it's Christian, but I don't want to see. 500 effing tweets of I blame you all for why this movie didn't succeed why blame you like we saw with the marvels which annoyed the living piss out of me sure I blame you how come you I blame you

all for not telling me how great this movie is and oh shut up like I I hope we don't get that because this is probably a better movie than the marvels oh dude this I'm telling you are gonna you're gonna love this movie I know I can't wait to you're gonna love it and it's like I haven't everybody who's mad Sarah was supposed to do a watch along with me for when it comes out and he's like I couldn't help myself I went and I say when to go see it in Atlantic City he's like I'm sorry text me it text me like two in the morning because he felt bad that he they went and saw it in the theater and I was like I'm like you bastard but but but he wanted to see loved it absolutely loved it and

it's like one of those things where it's a bummer that I hope hopefully that it continues to do well but as they mentioned I think the wild robot's gonna kick it in the nuts I'm going to see that tonight are you yeah yeah yeah I've seen that tonight since Saturday night tomorrow Oh, nice. I didn't, there's not, they're not screening that here. Okay, so that's, that's one. And then I finally, and I got my Joker screen. Do you ever, you do your Joker screening?

Yeah, it's not yet. Okay, that'll probably come in. I'm dying right now. That'll come, that'll come into. Later today. Speaking of D.C., though, let's, before we get to our questions, we've got 42 questions, Ray, John. How?

People like you. People like you. So we, we have this story about Ben Affleck, which, you know, he was supposed to direct the Batman movie. Oh, yeah. before Matt Reeves got it. I remember there was a whole thing he was going to direct his private

if it was part of his deal or whatever it was, but his storyboard has been revealed. That's interesting. For a little while there before Warner's opted to give Matt Reeves his to Batman,

let alone hand the DC Kingdom over to James Gun and Peter Safran, a different kind of Batman film was in the works. Back in the time when Ben Affleck was playing Bruce Wayne, Batman for Zach Snyder's DCEU, he was lining up a solo Batman film

where he and Jeff Johns were co-writing and he was going to direct it. Then after Batman v. Superman, Donna Justice, came out and hit a rough reception, Afflick stepped down from the director's chair but still intended to start. Early around 2019, Affleck exited the role and a few months later, Robert Pattinson was announced at the new Batman. Affleck did briefly reprise the part, though, for the Flash last year, which served as his final stint as the character.

Not much has been revealed about Affleck's soul of the Batman film beyond actor Joe Mangonella's Slade Wollstone, Destroke, arriving in Gotham City and determined to take down the bat. Storyboard artist Jay Oliver worked on the project, and to celebrate Batman Day yesterday, he released the storyboard from the film you can see below. Olivia previously said several drafts were done of the script, which he saw. He told in verse last year the film was going to cover something that had never been covered in comics, but was building off parts of the mythos for the past few decades.

He added, it was very clever, and there was a lot of things about it that I really loved, that I wish had come to fruition. Livia is also a longtime collaborator of Zach Snyder and worked on his upcoming Netflix series, Twilight of the Gods. Affleck, most recently, has been filming the accountant, too, ahead of a release of that film and cinemas next year. His would be on-screen antagonist Manganel just arrived in South Africa to film his role as Barack Works, Syndicate Leader Crocodile,

aka Mr. Zero in the second season of Netflix Big Budget Live Action One Piece series. So this is the, I guess, the screenshot right here. You see that up top there. But that's it. So there's a lot of what could have been from this series. know and it could have and I mean who wouldn't have want to see a Batman directed Ben Affleck movie you know oh 100% I mean I think that I'd rather I mean hear me up before I said um when it comes to I would rather see if Ben Affleck was going to direct it I'd rather see the Ben Affleck of today directing the Batman

than when he was because I'm not talking about during Argo and all in the town right he went through a stint during the Batman v Superman stuff where he kind of and he's been public about it to kind of relapsed. He had some things going on in his life. He wasn't, he wasn't doing well. And I think that movie that he did, what was the follow-up movie? They lived by night. Yes, which was it, which was during that time. And the movie was- Watchable? It's not good. It's not a good movie. It's, and it's forgettable. And it was during that time. And it's around the same time as this. So I think he needed to clear his head and he needed to do what he did. He wound up making air, which I loved. I loved there. I think air is a great

movie one of my favorites of that year and I think maybe we wouldn't have gotten air if it would if we would have gotten this movie and I think that we maybe also wouldn't have gotten the Batman we probably maybe also wouldn't have gotten Penguin which was fantastic what you think of penguin you love it I love fans so so my language penguin is my language so I think we so I think we got I think we got what we're supposed to get here and I think it worked out pretty pretty well but this would have been great to see yeah I think it would have been fun I mean me manganiello i mean you don't like manganello is he is he you know is he a great actor for tv sure but film i don't know i don't know that we would have gotten i mean like they killed him off

quickly at rampage for a reason bra and i look if you get killed off in a rock movie quickly that says something so i don't know i'm in the place of like uh i don't know if this would have been as great as people think but bad aflike directing a bad man movie odds are it would have been a blast I don't know that in the end, he would have been the villain, the main villain. Because clearly, remember he shows up on the boat with Luther. So it would have been much more possibly a Luther versus Batman, which that is exciting to me. Even though I didn't like Eisenberg's Luther that much, under Affleck's direction, I think it could have been really interesting to see what it would have created with that. Yeah.

It would have been fun to see them fight, but I don't want to be the main villain. Well, what about you guys? Do you guys think that this is something you would have liked? like this scene or do you agree that we got what we were supposed to get and would let us to the Matt Reeves penguin universe. So put your comments in there, tell us exactly what you think. All right, it's time to get to your questions. There's over 44 questions so far. And John has already started out the week pretty solid. You can ask us anything you want. Before we do that, though, this week I'm also excited to talk to you guys, as I talk to you

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He's already the champion of last week. All right. Mike Joyce, Bouchemy and Fishburn are perfect voices for T1. What's that? T1. Transformers won. Oh, are they? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And they were, that's right. Who was the first one? Yeah, yeah, both of them, both were really great. Yeah, they were both great. And not too distracting. I mean, I knew right away, I was like, oh, the both of them, I knew it. Like, it was recognizable, but not where it, like, sucks me out of it that I couldn't see them as the character.

Right. I definitely see it. Yeah, I'm very excited to hear, John, what you think about it. I will tell you the geek buddies did not like it. Really? Neither one of them thought it was good. They like the Transformers 1? Yeah.

No, no, yeah. The Transformers 1, yeah. They went to see it this weekend together. That's shocking to me. Their opinion has devalued. Michael had story. Michael had story issues and shame had acting issues. Like he didn't think Brian Tyree Henry was the right cast.

Wow. And he thought Keegan Michael Hakee was too old to play bumblebee. But I don't know. Again, I'm going into. He's a freaking machine. He's 53. He's a machine. Younger voice.

I love Shannon, but that's a ridiculous comment. I know. We're not always going to agree. No, we should. Mustafa Argon. Hey, John, can you look back and share your mindset during the Collider Review of the final episode of Game of Thrones? Do you feel any better about the episode today?

What a terrible episode! Everybody loves my breakdown of that. Yeah, that was me, pure and unadol. You want to talk about an out-of-the- a reaction that wasn't out of the the collider screening room reaction you hated it huh i did i hated that episode because it was such a betrayal of everything we had gotten for the first eight seasons of that show and i don't want to spoil them people and maybe working they through but what they decided to do with danny i was supremely mad about it and i thought it was such a boneheaded decision

and clearly i'm not alone as george r martin has also come out and spoken not so positively about the ending of game of thrones and recently about house of the dragon even though he deleted it so yeah oh he did delete the house of the dragon stuff oh yeah he did delete it like three or four hours later he deleted it that day but it's out there so but yeah i george you're not gonna get your check if you don't take your tweet on oh my gosh what i do oh oh no more wine stop i'm gonna drink the wine you can't write the book get back in that dungeon yeah i want you to smell me all right here is this is the next one again from mike joyce they saw the new trailer for red one before t one as soon as a rock came on screen a kid near me said

that I just know that'll be terrible. The kids are all right. I hope it's good. It does seem like it's going to be not good, but I hope it's good. Come on, man. No? You're a traitor, so you probably hate it.

Yeah, I know. I have such a trade. I tell the, I tell the, I'm the friend you need. Because I tell you the truth. Everybody around the rock is yes, man. You need someone to tell. He should hire me to be his actual truth teller. So you don't think that's going to be a good one.

No. No. Pay me $150,000. You call me up. anytime you want and I'll tell you the truth about a situation. Matt Sinister McCall saw the substance and Transformers one back to back. Four hours with two tubs of popcorn. That movie had a crowd reaction that made your experience.

Oh wait, what's a movie that had a crowd reaction that made your experience wild? The one I always bring up is the for the rise of the planet of the apes. That's the Franco one, right? Yes. The first one. My favorite moment inside of that was when I was why. There's a scene where Caesar speaks for the first. time yeah and he says no and there was this black dude in the crowd and he goes god damn and it

it just the whole place just lost it and i was like yes it was it was such a great reaction it was it was what we were all thinking and the way that he did it was just so perfect and the whole place just lost it that's hilarious yeah um you have anyone that you can think of what they made the movie better or just like a kind of a crazy theater experience uh i think i guess taken three when we were all there was like a bunch of us who went to see it opening weekend in the afternoon or friday and when that movie got real bad and the audience turned someone just yelled out well we ain't getting a fourth one and it was a big old response and then everybody started just commenting throughout it became mystery science theater oh really the last 30 to 45 minutes of the movie got

it it was great um and i told the story a thousand times over but the one i've told you the story of john about the the the bruno screening i went to the oh yeah yeah the drink in the guy's face. Yeah. All right. Greeny Frause. Hey Christian, any chance of Riley or Durina coming on your show?

I missed the old days of getting sweaty with them talking horror and sci-fi. I think Dorena is pretty much detached from the movie space. She doesn't really talk movies too much. She's doing our own thing. She's doing music.

Riley has been on my, on my UFO show quite often. So he'll probably be back on that. I wouldn't mind having him on a live show, though, to see if he's available. I miss Riley. He's writing a book. Oh, yeah, yeah.

So he's doing any, you know, he's also busy, right? now with his job and his little and his little one so uh greenie from oz i also love a transformer spoiler review great movie i think that i'll probably wait for roca maybe and we can do maybe we do a couple of spoiler thoughts on on one of these you know is also thinking john after you see um joker maybe we just do a full monday episode where it's the majority of it's just spoiler talk i like that idea yeah yeah uh moustafa our again john flickinger or excuse me announced recently he's returning to start reviewing movies full time again surely you can get him on her live show or review

so you know what's funny about that is that once these thursday this thursday i have clark wolf coming on the show oh nice so she was in town and she came into studio and she was promoting some stuff so we're gonna she we did like a full half an hour so she'll be on the show this thursdays will be my show to kind of bring in whether there's people from the past new guests other things too so you know that's that's definitely a possibility for sure yeah i like flick like flick yeah yeah You guys should work out while you do the review. Do whatever review. Sarah's mad at me, right?

Not mad. Not really mad at me. I shouldn't say that. He says he's not, but I feel bad. I feel like I'm disappointed because I was supposed to go to his school this Wednesday. And I said it because he's been, I have a, I have a freaking former UFC Walter Ray champion every show saying, I need to start training you in jiu jitsu, right? And I'm planning on it this Wednesday.

But I have, you know, Deadpole Wolverine is coming out on. Yeah. on my birthday actually on October 1st and I need to get the I'm doing Deadpool 1st deadpool one dead Deadpool 2 and Deadpool and Wolverine movie reactions with Sam and she's got a limited schedule she got this when she's like can you do it Wednesday night so like leading up to the thing I'm like so I was like I finished I made sure I was finishing editing Matt's episode and I told him I said I can't he's like he's like all right you know I'll be here my school's not going anyway he's absolutely the best He's absolutely the best.

And if you haven't checked out his show, by the way, there's two episodes up there right now. The first episode is him and Phoenix Carnival talking about X-Men movies. The second one is him and Ray Longo, who is essentially like his Mickey, who we won the title with. And they were talking gangster movies.

And then the episode that's going up tomorrow is Batman movies. Nice. So, yeah, so he's really, he's very dedicated to it. We're over 4,000 subscribers in that channel. already. He just started it. All right, Mustafa Higin. I want to see a third Zorro movie with Antonio Banderas to make it a trilogy.

You think this is possible? They're doing nothing with the IP. I mean, like an older Zorro teaching somebody new, maybe. I just don't know. If they're going to do that, it would have to be like a Disney Plus movie or something. You couldn't put that in that. Yeah, you have to swing it back around because that was the first movie, right? Anthony Hopkins passing on Zorro to him. So yeah, he'd have to pass it on to a young Latino actor coming in. So yeah, it could be interesting.

wonder who it would be i mean i don't know i like that kid from the aaron hernandez uh story that's on hulu right now so maybe him you have to do a streaming right you can do that in theatrical it would depend on the mood like if there's a sudden like you know interest and how much you're making it for i mean top gun maverick what that was 30 years later right so yeah but top gun top gun in the pop culture in the pop culture overall no you're right you're right top pop culture overall zoro when you go back until the 50s and 60s, whatever, of course. But as time went on, it wasn't as kind of beloved in the way that Top Gun was. Plus, and look, everybody thought Top Gun 2 was going to be a fart piece.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They were like, come on, they're doing this, a sequel to this, and it's better. That movie, the first one, the second one's better than the first one. Okay, you don't think it's better than the first one? As far as quality of movie, I'm not talking about nostalgia. Dirty pirate hornout. It is, they're equally good. How dare you?

How? Look, I love the first one as much as everybody else. But come on. It's a product of the 80s, which I love. But it's over a quality of film, the second one is above and beyond. All right, this is the next one here, and this is from Steve S.

Good day, guys. Love both your work. Thank you. I listened to the return of the Jedi Sennepiles episode again. Have you ever discussed John's take on when Anakin becomes Darth Vader? I don't know if I know that. I'm sure we may be on Jedi Council back in the day.

What's your take? I don't remember. When does Anakin become Darth Vader? It says, what's John's take on when Anakin becomes Darth Vader? Oh, God, I don't remember. If you remind me in the chat, I'll go on about it. But, you know, I do so many of those Cinephal shows. I'm not sure.

Well, speaking of it, before we move on, John, I didn't get a chance to, once you tell people what's going on with your channel. Yeah, you can head on over to my channel, YouTube.com slash John Roker says. That is the Outlaw Nation. It will be the John Roker channel very soon, but that is the channel. We do trailer reactions. My Thunderbolts one is up now. We do reviews. Of course, we have great shows like the hot mic with Jeff Snyders.

Tune in to see if you be even more naked this week. We have the Jedi Way, which just dropped our new episode, talking about all the big Star Wars news over the last week with Kevin Smith, Laura Kelly, spill the tequila with Winston. We're probably going to get into the P. Diddy stuff, which is getting out of control at some point this week. And, of course, the geek buddies, we've been reviewing Agatha, Penguin, and doing our main show as well.

So a lot of stuff happening there. And podcast-wise, the Cinephiles, that is out there for you all to enjoy. We break down one great film every week. We just started on 1982's The Verdict with Paul Newman from director Sidney Lemette, a classic 1980s film that people don't talk about enough. So come and check it out there.

All right, go check it out. Okay. So here is the Carton Rutter. What up, Carlton, London, Cohn. Anybody? Saw a 10-year anniversary of Interstellar last night. Wow, 10 years it's been for that movie? Really?

2014 is when that movie came out? Just great air. Wow. I saw it in IMAX. My son is, it's his favorite film. Amazing to see the wonder in his eyes. That's pretty awesome and even crazier to think that it's been 10 years that movie,

which makes sense when you look into it. But I'm telling you, man, from like the 2020 until 20203 is just such a blur. And like it took away so many years. Like, I remember, like, I was just talking about this with my wife. Like, it was like my oldest was in the second grade when the all. when the lockdown and all that stuff happened. And when we came out of it, she was like almost like a teenager already.

And it was like, it was crazy to where like just, just like that. I don't know. It's bizarre. It's almost like we blipped as a society. I know, for real. 100%. 100%. Okay. Next one. We're 52 questions, John. I'm impressed with you. Each and every week. Dennis Hoffman took the

family to Transformers 1. My kids and even my wife loved it. Tough year for Hemsworth. Okay. Love Furiosa and Transformation. Transformers won. Hope his Matthew Vaughn film Crushes. I didn't know he was doing a film of Matthew Vaughan, but yet it's weird. Like, it just

goes to show everybody loves Chris Hemsworth, but it's just, the movie starts does nothing for a film. Both of those films are underperforming. I know, and both. I love both of those movies. Oh, both of them. I know, me too. Yeah. All right. One. One. Hank Pimp,

Most Imp, Most Improved actor. I'd pick Channing Tatum. Hmm. I would pick Josh Hartman. That's a pretty, that's a That was one I think that he, when he was younger, you said, oh, these guys just getting rolls because of his looks. He's great. I didn't like that stupid trap movie, but he was really good.

Yeah. I would say Jennifer Connolly has always been my kind of. I thought she was pretty throwaway in the 90s. And then she made some turn. Same thing of Basinger. I thought Basinger was terrible. I didn't like her in Batman. I didn't like her most of the movies.

And then L.A. Confidential, I was like, oh, oh, shit. This is an actress. Oh, okay. Well, I don't agree with any of that. All right, let's see. Roman Fedorek. Not thinking with the right head, good, yeah. No, I'm telling you, they're both attractive, but both great, great actors.

Great. Next thing you're going to say is Florence Pugh's better looking than Julia Roberts. I mean, Frommon Fodorant. Hey, guys, what's your least favorite film of the year so far? Definitely Madame Webb for me. Some of the choices in that film are just baffling. Yeah, that's pretty bad. Borderlands is pretty bad.

I'm trying to think. What did I think? I saw something that stinks. I can't remember. What was it? Something was just terrible. You can't avoid bad movies nowadays. I don't, I mean, this is not in the bad category at all.

People were raving about long legs. I thought the first two acts of long legs were really, really good. I didn't like the last act of it. What else? I'm sure there's other ones. Unfrosted was pretty terrible. Didn't see it. Mean girls was pretty terrible.

Didn't mind it because I saw it with my oldest. Well, that's fair. Oh, yeah, those Rebel Moon films, even the... Oh, you liked the first one you said. No, I thought it was fine, but like when they did the director's cuts, they were coming somehow worse. I can't believe you watched all that. I've still have only seen like that... You're working through Napoleon.

Don't give me crap. Good, good point. Napoleon was another one that was supremely... That was last year ago. Oh, it was. Oh, that's... God, it's been a years. I know.

I don't know. I have to go through the list. Roman Fedora. Hey, again, for whatever reason, I've just been wondering over and over why the athlete was, oh, why it cost as much as it did. The only thing I could think about is maybe COVID protocols, depending on when it was shot. What do you think? Well, there's only so much. Even if you put 10 or 15 million into it, that's still $160 million more than it should have been.

You know, I think that what happens is producer fees. I think that there's budgets with local. I think that whether it's you know what they're doing with flights what they're doing with the amount of crew They probably that crew probably could have been short shorter than it was probably was a really extended crew is a really big cast So yeah, I don't know man Yeah everything Christian said oh okay good thanks man I don't know what does I mean I don't know you'd have to what do you think what would you think? Nothing radiates 180 million off the screen right so I I'm as I'm as perplexed as you are

Yeah, first. All right, so Kenneth Colton, as I celebrate my 41st birthday today, I look back at all the great content you guys have delivered over the years. Thank you, Kenneth. I salute you, gentlemen, for all the great times. Here's the future.

That is very nice and very kind, and I really appreciate that. Thank you. That was nice. Benny, did you see the Megalopolis trailer? Thoughts. I could never imagine that I would be saying the following statement here, John.

I have a screening. It's either today or tomorrow. I'm pretty sure it's tomorrow. for Saturday night or maybe no no it's today for a wild robot I was also offered to see megaloplas tonight I chose the wild robot I in what world would I ever been telling myself that I was going to choose nothing again against animated films an animated film over a Francis Ford Coppola movie I just I want to see the movie I just I'm not super excited about I've not seen the trailer though wow well I'm

glad you said something because i have double booked myself tonight okay because i have megalopolis at 530 what are you choosing that's see isn't that crazy that you don't i might i might skip out on both to be honest and then see them like at my local theater here because it's only old people who show up at my theater which is nice you fit in it's great yeah so i might skip out on both because i like the experience of seeing it without all these people around me you know but i'm giving away five By the way, I'm post this up later on Instagram. I'm giving away five pairs of tickets to Megalopolis. So if anybody wants to go, I will be putting a post up soon.

And maybe I'll pick you and you'll get to go for free. If you want, I don't know. Well, there you go. It's not tracking well, bro. No, no, it's not. Benny, would you guys like to see a live action Clone Wars film with a saving private Ryan Tone, directed by someone who gets Star Wars and War films?

I mean, in fantasy land? Sure. No, I mean, because they're never going to make a movie either the saving private Ryan tone and you know even if they go a little darker I think the way there's a novel by Alexander freed which was based off the video games with battlefront um which was which was essentially band of brothers in the star wars world which was fantastic I'd love to see it whether it's a Disney what's another thing I don't understand why they do why they if they're gonna spend 180 million dollars on a subpar series why don't just spend a hundred million dollars

on on a made for made for streaming star wars movie you know what I mean like if you can spend I'm gonna give you a hundred million dollars make a movie make a two-hour movie for a hundred million bucks make make streaming movies if you if you're gonna throw away that kind of cash yeah so I don't know I don't necessarily think I mean they there's a rumor that philoni wanted to do it because there was the the hype behind the Anakin and the Soka stuff that was going on in the flashbacks of Asoka. But I mean, I'd be interested. I like that scene.

I'd be lying if I didn't say that I like, I liked that scene. I liked seeing them in the Clone Wars. But would you want to see that? I mean, I would want to see it. But like you said, I mean, it's Fantasyland. There's no way they would do it. They'd have to rebuild into some reason for telling that story as a feature film. And it's one of these reasons why it's a shame Apple doesn't own Disney because Apple would

totally do that because they spend so much money on their movies and don't care if they do well on the box office. Yeah. So we could have gotten that for sure. The great Tim Sim. At this point, Star Wars news is mostly bad news and it sucks. It's unfortunate. Personally, I feel more terrible to discuss it with y'all is I love Star Wars then and now. I'll wait and see it.

I'll wait and see for me on what happens next, but I won't keep you all from discussing it. I mean, I think that's totally fair. It's like, look, you're an Astros fan. You get it. Like, the Astros, to me, are terrible. I hate them. They're cheating rats. But Tim is a loyal fan.

He is. They're cheating around banging trash cans. Yeah, loyal, but he's a loyal fan to them. You got to learn how to word these things. You can't keep us from talking about Star Wars. That's not what he said. That's not what he said. No, he said, I'll let you guys talk about it. He said it won't keep you off from discussing it.

It won't keep me off. He can't keep us from discussing it. Oh, you know what he's saying. It's not that. Artem comes back. He said, I finished episode one of the Penguin. I was wondering why can't Star Wars do the same? They have money, resources, source material, what is stopping them?

Everything that we discussed. They don't see Star Wars in them. that way. They don't see Star Wars in that way. And this is one of the reasons I think Flonny's a detriment to it. He's got this idea of what Lucas had and things and he holds everybody to it. And I think that's a big problem. I think that Kathleen Kennedy also has this old school way of making movies and everything too. They don't go, they have this idea of what they think Star Wars is. They're not pivoting at all. And they're not changing it. They're not trying to change it.

You know, so that's why. And they're not going into that. They'll never go into that realm and or was the closest thing to it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I was thinking about this the other day because I obviously I don't slide into the anti-woke side of things when it comes to Star Wars. It's not my jam to be around that stuff.

But like the way they've really leaned into the young adult approach to Star Wars, isn't this what everybody was afraid of when Disney bought Star Wars? is that they were going to kidify it a little bit or make it. But it's not Disney, though. But it's not Disney. It's Lucasfilm. Yeah, yeah, but I mean, they're still under the umbrella of Disney. But so is Marvel.

Right. Yeah, sure, sure. But Marvel has a lot of humor in it. The thing is I was looking at, I was thinking to myself, like, is this a situation where, like, I don't remember the original trilogy being exclusively young adult or kid appealing? Like adults were into Star Wars in the original trilogy. Teenagers were into Star Wars from the original trilogy.

So like it appealed across the board. Yeah, it did. And I think the Star Wars now is trying to be too focused towards the young adult market because they see it as a financially viable thing to do. And they're not focused on appealing to all the generations. Yeah. And it becomes a little frustrated. I think they listen to Twitter too much is what they do.

Yeah, probably. This is the next one. Tim comes back. in he said that's it i respect everyone's fair stance on star wars and i apologize to anyone who felt offended to my super chap but that's honestly how i feel hope everyone is a good week and rip brys young's quarterback career unfortunately wow wow taking a shot at poor bryce young wow tim did it but he also said um you know i i don't think he said anything too bad in his original no i like i got to tim yeah yeah gabriel liraking news canter reeves jost the

joins the crossover between G.I. Joe and Transformers and will play the Uncle of Shy Laboose character, John Wickie? That's not true. That's not true. We would have seen that. That's Gabriel having some fun. God, I hope that's not true. Julius Wyatt.

Malik neighbors will single-handily save D. Jones' job. Well, I don't know. We'll see. We'll see. The Giants are... You can't play Cleveland every week, bro. I know. I know.

Trust me. I got... I was walking down the... block and I'm going oh look at this at least they're up right now and they they they held strong so it was a yeah it was a day the day was our yesterday was all right oh iowa yeah would you prefer gun to wait until the reeves trilogy is finished before casting batman or use robert patinson it's the dc u's batman or have another actor playing batman concurrent with patison unfortunately i think you're going to have to do the former because here is the prompt

if you wait until the trilogy is over. I mean, hell, we ain't getting the 2020. We're not getting the Batman 2 until what, 2026, John, 27th? Yeah, at least. Yeah, so let's say late 2026. I don't even start shooting until next year. Right, so let's say, let's be generous and say late 2026.

Sure. That will be about five years or four years detached from the first movie. So let's be generous and say the next one after that is three years. So you're getting the third movie in 2029. You'll already have a Superman film, Supergirl. You won't have a Batman until 2029. You got to cast your Batman. As far as Patinson, being the Batman,

this is essentially the same thing that Nolan did was basing everything more realistic. So there's not that supernatural or the superheroes aren't out there. So I don't think he'd fit. So I think he got a cast and say this is why we have an elseworld's thing. John, what do you think differently? Panson does not fit in James Gunn universe

has family. It doesn't. No matter what you try to do or bend over backwards, by the way, neither does Zoe Kravitz's catwalk. Neither does Colin Farrell's penguin. None of those Matt Reeves people fit in the James Gunn universe of the DCU. No matter how much he tries to take credit for the penguin

and super slash man, they do not fit in the DC universe that he is building. So no, they have to get a new Batman yeah I agree okay so the next one here John I have zero interest in the Ray movie personally yeah I think that's you know I think that that's another reason is it's just been too many years removed now from it's crazy to say there has not been a movie since a Star Wars movie since 2019 I need to like I wish we could I wish I had the power to go into people's minds and find the truth

and then we could get like legitimate legitimate numbers like how many people don't want a Ray movie because it's a female lead because they don't like her or because they don't want to go that route and how many people like how many if they announced a Kylo Wren movie i think people I think there's a majority of the Star Wars base that would lose their effing minds but you announce a Ray movie and they're not so excited and I don't know why people don't like Ray because I love Ray I thought Ray was great coming out of that trilogy maybe one of the only things that come out of that was good and I don't I put her way above caught not way of it but I put her above Kylo I liked her story and liked what Daisy Ridley did not so much Adam Driver as much so I like the

character very very much and I really like Daisy Ridley I don't necessarily know if you need a ray movie though depending if why not just do an episode 10 if you're going to do it and do that's fair you know what I mean it's like so I don't so I don't know and I don't this interest I'm just trying to figure it out yeah I think that it's also because the three as we mentioned earlier the three movies were really a mess and you can say what you want about each one individually but they don't like you can say that they're a trilogy but they're not really they in the way that they were put together and come on it was a disaster so people when you look at the i don't look to rewatch those movies i don't even it's like if they the only time i watch them if we're

doing like a rewatch or something i'll probably wind up watching them again because i don't think samantha's seen a damn one of them i don't even think she's seen the original trilogy um so like that's the type of stuff that i'll be like you know i'll power through it and yeah we'll It'll be fine. But like I said, I like the Force Awakens very much when I saw it in the theater. But the problem with that movie

is you know what comes next. And it's nothing. So yeah, so I think that's, I don't know. I think scrap and a Ray movie, putting Ray in a movie, but a full-on movie,

and I don't, and I really don't think, I don't think, Chenoy is the way to go. And I don't think she's, I don't think she's going to be directing it. I think less and less of the possibility to become,

less and less is the possibility that she will direct that movie. Yeah, I don't think she's going to address it. Matt Sinister McCall, Beth Snyder off sick. She has an ungrown toenial. Oh, poor Beth. She's okay.

But that was some outfit that Jeff Snyder had on. I'll tell you that. Oh, my God. I'm telling you. I told, Kristen was texting me about it, and I said, it's like holding a live bomb every show and hoping it doesn't blow up

before you finish the show. He really, I thought he was going to start, I thought he was like, J.T. was going to come out with him. I started answering questions. He was dressed like he was in a Patriots man. Dev McLean,

why won't they sell to Apple? I just think that they, they feel like they have they there's just too much money to be made with star wars and they won't and they won't sell it i i think that it would be the best thing possible for them to sell to apple but they won't do it they won't do it you're admitting defeat yeah if they sell to apple they're admitting defeat and disney does the mouse does not like to admit defeat and the other problem with that is you'd have to also sell what you you're selling everything you're selling yeah you're selling the stuff away from from disneyland you're selling all the stuff that you're selling

you're selling everything away from it like so you if it's apple then all the star war stuff comes out of disneyland all the stuff comes out of disney world the merch like all that stuff so it's there's a lot to it you know um i don't know josh needle i love ray and daisy really but this movie is never happening nor should it i've defended kathleen kennedy for years but it is time star wars needs someone new and i think more and more people what you said earlier john are starting to do the same it's and and that's when there's a problem when in the beginning when everyone's just you know, oh, she's, she's a woman, get rid of her. There's no merit.

There's no merit to those arguments. But when it's like, well, no, she's, she's doing, done this, she's done this, this keeps, to me, the most telling thing is this director-writer thing. It's a joke. Yeah. It's a joke. When that keeps happening, I remember being, when I was at Silver,

if one director left a project, the executive, they would look at them, the executive of the project, what's happening? Why have we lose them? Yeah. Every project, the person at the top is losing these people. Yeah. It is, it is a joke. She's got to have photos of Bob Eiger doing stuff with cucumbers. Yeah. Because like, what is, what is happening? How does it? And I want to make that clear. Like, those of us who've come to this place, I hope you know our history because it took a while for us to come. We weren't these people, jumping in, immediately hating her, as Christian said, just because she's a woman or wanted to tell female-led stories. I'm all in support of that.

But as fair-minded people, as we usually are, like you look at the track record, as you said, and you look and analyze track record and you go, it's not working. And that's an honest analysis that has nothing to do with sexism. It's absolutely absolutely the fact that it's just not working. Just looking at a dude was leading it. I would be saying the same thing. Well, speaking a dude, I have to tell you that I have a great, absolutely great, great text from my wife. Okay. My dog's name is dude.

Yeah. She wrote, dude just shit onto his own feet while pissing on a tree. What is wrong with this dog? How old is this dog? Three. Oh, my God, three. Yikes. Shits on his own feet.

I'm not pissing on a tree. Clean it up, ma. Unbelievable. Take this. Unbelievable. I'd clean my feet. Okay. Here we go.

Joey Pedrus, not giving Cameron Monaghan a Star Wars series a mistake. They were supposed to. They were supposed to. And that fell through too. The game sold well and are loved. Why not let that team take a shot of live action? That's, again, a Faloni thing.

Philoni will not let that team in. There's no way. There's no way he'll let that team in. No, because he's... Anyway. Dylan, Dylan Neil, have you changed? checked out the Lord of the Rings war from Roham trailer i didn't know there was a trial i thought there was a poster it looks really interesting lord of the rings given an anime treatment peter jackson is producing

well that's interesting i didn't see i didn't see the trailer did they dropped the trailer just now or something uh i don't think so i thought there was only just the one trailer the other day i thought there was the trailer was it good or you don't care oh yeah no i liked the trailer in the style for sure you just don't think it'll do very well yeah because i had so many people i saw so many people commenting going what is this like they were saying why would you put it the japanese anime style on a middle earth movie look i get it for those of us who love that stuff it's cool and we love it but again you're trying to get the mainstream casual fans in the theater and how many of them are like oh japanese manga style of of animation let me get on it to see this from middle earth it's two different

completely different styles slamming into themselves and i don't know that a lot of people are going to see it so yeah okay um i don't have an opinion i haven't seen it but wait hold on actually sorry let me do this one first artem chak ramon last time we had a star wards movie in the theater was five years ago and it seems like leadership still can't come up with a good script it'll be seven years by the time they actually put mandolary in and grogo in there um it's time to let star wars go or just put it on hold and definitely i disagree with that hold hard. I disagree with that. That is that's what people say when people go, Star Wars is dead, because there's only one team that can handle it. That's so wrong. That's so wrong in the same way

that like, you know, there are people like that where there's other franchises and other things like have just, you know, you got to let it go. You got to let it go because of the same people are trying to make it over and over and they don't get it. You're going to get the same stuff. And so yes, you can go, oh, I don't want to see this anymore. It's over it. It's undead because if the stuff that is there that you love, it's still there. Right. But as long as this team is making it, you're going to keep getting crap like this. But dead, no, they need to get a new team.

Yeah. That's it. Derek Johnson, who couldn't be here today, but he puts in a very generous super chat. Can't watch today, super busy. I had to the end of quarter crap to do. Just love the show and always have a great day. Derek, you're the best. And you've done so much for the show and I can't thank you enough.

Derek is great. And always roots for always, he's one of the main reasons. and Winston are always going after each other. I love you. Mad Sinister McCall. Rank these five films all in my top 20. Seven, Dark Night, Raid 2, Parasite, Spider-Man 2. Live shows are during my lunch.

No more bathroom super chats. Hilarious. Let's see. For me, I'd probably put it. Number 5, I would probably put Parasite. And number 4, I would probably put Spider-Man 2. Okay. Number three, I would put Raid 2.

Number 2, I would put 7, and the number 1 I'd put Dark Night. Yeah, I'd have to put 7-1. Okay. Dark Night 2, because I don't like the Two-Face storyline. Three, what are the other three? Raid 2, Spider-Man 2, or Parasite. I guess I put Parasite at 3, Raid 2 at 4, and then Spider-Man 2 at 5, because Spider-Man 2 now is dated when I watch it.

It's definitely dated. I think I just, I got on the parasite train a little late. Yeah, I think it's a really good movie. I just didn't love it as much as everybody else. Path, I thought it was great. That was a really good movie. Just everybody else was like losing their minds over it. How does a company run without a vision?

From the get-go, there was no overarching story for the sequel trilogy. It's like they assumed it would always print money. Maybe true for toys. I still buy prequel and OG stuff. Because there is a training to old-school movie-making and producing. That if you get the right director, and you get the writer and you have enough notes from the producers. And you have it, you can put it together, you can nail it, you can edit, you can do it, you can do it.

When you're putting a continued timeline of a big IP, which has been this thing that Marvel's done now and DC is doing and the Star Wars is trying to do, there needs to be plans. There needs to be a writer's room. There needs to be a thing like, okay, let's bring in a writer to do this. Let's bring in a director to do this to further the story that we came up within the room. Let's get some of the freaking writers that we have working on our books and not ignore them. like the like they don't even like they're the the the uncle that comes to the holiday every once in a while you know it's like so yeah there's a lot to it and that's why there's no just messy messy

um i wonder i'm the first what a store what a show that's going to be for you and i when there's like a massive change whatever that change might be whether it's somebody yeah one person at the top all of it at the top is going to be a big show all rencho what pisses me off is that so many of these released Lucasfilm projects have been mismanaged. I really wanted Knights of the Republic in another season of Asoka. Well, you're getting another season of Asoka. That's coming.

Knights of the Little Republic apparently was going to be a series or a movie, and then rumor, from what I heard, was that Kathleen Kennedy thought it was too inside baseball and that nobody would care. And that Flonny doesn't love that era. That's what I heard. I don't know how true it is, but that's what I heard.

Shea Markell. Fellas, is it me, or does Bucky look like he's fresh off a weekend bender yeah the winter soldier looked more like exhausted than a badass i hope it does well i liked that element it looked like he's been out of the game for quite a while looks like he gets back into it i thought it was a bad reveal though for they show bucky like 87 times in the trailer yeah and then when he shows up at the end they're like is that bucky and i'm like yeah we've seen him a million times it's not a surprise that he showed up it would have been like if they didn't show him the whole trailer and then he showed up like oh there he is it's good commentary i agree

you're right about that yeah um but yeah would you just think you think you look like he was going on a bender yeah but i think everyone's supposed to look hang dog and kind of out of place and like at the end of their rope that's kind of the whole energy of the movie i think so that's on purpose and because they have the elevator seen they're all together with bucky that's true that's clearly they're all like in the same mindset yeah galagos coming straight up the honeymoon hey catching up as i was on the honeymoon loved your discussion with tom and love to see him return he will for sure thank you for the love and the support cheers here and we were very happy for you and jen you guys are great yeah and congrats to you guys

another schmodeown lovemaking there you go Tommy Tom probably shouldn't have said it that way being honest Tommy Tom always great watching two of the best Christian wonder

it was a good honeymoon that happened anyway always great watching two of the best Christian wondering if you'd heard had thoughts on two of your favorites David Dalsmaltzman and Joe being cast as main villains in One Piece Season 2

correct me if I'm wrong and I probably should know this myself but my memory is crap I feel like I asked David Delsmaudson about I interviewed him a couple months ago and I feel like I asked them about One Piece I like both of them. I think they're both perfect for One Piece

and I hope to get them both on to talk about One Piece Season 2. Nice. Yeah. But yes, I haven't talked about it and I feel like I might have brought it up to David but I might not if I don't know. So this one makes me sad

and I don't know if you guys know about this but RIP Francisco Lopez says RIP, Molly the Wonder Dog. My thoughts are prayers go out to mark and danny yeah mark ellis my very one of my best friends in the world and and you know my co-worker co-partner in this for a long time mollie who is like his kid um she passed away over the weekend so uh if you didn't know san ellis some love and shoot him a shoot him a tweet uh he'll appreciate it uh all right Tommy tom don't forget john with the thunderbolts trailer

dropping for fun wondering what's your favorite oh i didn't forget you john is what he said With a Thunderbolt trailer dropping for fun, wondering what's your favorite take, proven, right, or wrong? I mean, it's so fresh, I have to say Transformers won. I was convinced, A, that it was going to be terrible because of the trailer, then I was convinced it was just for kids. I was really, really wrong. Yeah.

Well, until the film comes out, I'm not officially wrong. Well, you have to make 2020. Okay, so you thought that potentially it was going to not, you still don't think it's going to come out. Well, look, well, they didn't have a. know I was gonna say they never had a back girl trailer they would have a back girl trailer then yeah yeah the asterisk come on man yeah it ought to mean something yeah no no I I don't know I don't know I don't know remember any ones that you thought what how about how

about um the fact that Deadpool and Wolverine wasn't gonna hit a billion dollars okay fine that one there you go uh Chris Greiner sending a sewer chat on my day thank you man Transformers one was my day film saw it with the kids and my wife I'm pretty sure I made all five new franchise fans best transformers film yet now bring on red one oh that's the red one is that one with that's the one you had me till you lost me you had me until you lost me um i don't know i i i'm i'm hoping it's got a good cast man i'm hoping man i know i know oh uh i would say agatha all along i did not expect anything from that did you like and i have really enjoyed the first two episodes or the first few episodes i was very very impressed did you watch three and four uh yes okay and a four is

when it really starts to take off. Okay. I like the first two of it. I didn't mind it. I just, I don't think it's geared towards us at all, but I think that it is, but I think that it is a good chemistry. I think it is written and I can say, I've watched it with my wife and she wound up loving it. And she had no idea what the hell it was. And I think it is, I think it's Taylor Triturn. That's great. Knows what it wants to be. Yeah. Someone described it to me as, it's an art teacher going on an adventure with her favorite art student and that's a good way to frame it when you watch desperate housewives meets practical magic so on sure that's a good description uh patty boy what's up with jeff snider can you call him i don't think he's picking up his phone right now just fine just he's been doing the

newsletter all weekend i don't know where you guys have been you guys don't subscribe to his newsletter you should he talked about it he said like you know hey guys i'm just getting off twitter for walks i'm tired of given Elon Musk my money when I do engagement because he won't monetize me and he just pulled himself off of Twitter but he'll be back he doesn't say the newsletter though? Does that hurt the newsletter to get more? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. Johnny veteran bite the bullet and cancel the Ray movie. Lucas Stone should lean into easy wins, a clone wars live action, a Calcastus. Look. What easy wins are you talking? Calcastis is not an easy win. It's something I would like to see, but it's not an easy win. Clone Wars is more of an easy win if you're going to do, if you got, if you got

Hayden, Christensen, Ewan McGregor, and then back into do it because it's, it's more of like, hey, let's just, we're getting desperate, so let's just try to do some stuff. You got a better shot at going with some old favorites there. That's an easier win than the Calcastas. Sequel films are too polarizing. It's like Kennedy thrives in divisiveness. I think you can still use those characters. You just kind of tell better stories.

Like, yeah, there's, I always thought, and I still said, I thought Palpatine could come back. I thought he could. The way that they had him come back was ridiculous. Like everything, it's about execution. Yeah. Yeah, you can still make it, you can still, because he talks about it in the prequels. They had that whole thing, this is my whole point, where if they really would have just sat down together, people who really love these movies and love Star Wars, you can have a couple of

conversation. Like, well, how are we going to bring them back? We're going to bring him back. Well, remember, he had this whole thing about Plagueis. Maybe we can really dive into the mythology of what Plagueis did. And if Plagas was working on manipulating life and being able to come back, maybe they discover that. Maybe we start to tease that in episode eight, and then that delivers him coming back, and they

show how he was able to do it through this stuff that Plagas did. And they tie the whole damn thing together, and they didn't. Yeah, yeah. So. Agreed. Agreed. Somehow. Palpatine returned what stupid poor Oscar Isaac for having to say that one

oh no it wasn't Oscar Isaac was it was it was it was it Dominic Monaghan that said it who said it probably Monaghan was it Monaghan was a Monaghan jm Z 1 1121 Volcano or Dante's Peak I think Dante's Peak is the better film Volcano is the bigger is the bigger like you know yeah studio Pierce and Linda Hamilton that's the better yeah oh Al Rensha says I can't trust Rokon Transformers L oh oh oh Can't trust you trust the franchise that made almost $5 billion? I don't trust your opinion, Al, because I mean that franchise made $5 billion.

That doesn't mean it's good. That just means that they marketed it. It doesn't mean it's good. I don't mean it's good or make money. I don't know what I was talking about. Stop it. Benny, thoughts on Tulsa King's season two so far. Have you watched it yet?

Is it pretty good? I like it. How many episodes so far? It's two. I think the second episodes come out or it's coming out. And I like, oh yeah, it came out last night. So I got to watch it. I like the first episode.

I enjoy the first episode. Can you, this is Patty Boy, can you get Tom Hardy on for Venom slash bike riders? That'd be great. Call them up, ask them. I'd love to. I would love to. It's like my mom,

hey, when you get out to California, you should hook up with Sanjay Bullock. You two would make a good couple. Thanks, Mom. Yeah. Your parents know how easy it is, right? Yeah. Joyous Romer, may the force be with you.

Thank you, Joyce. And let's see. We have Shadow Zero. Hal Jordan has been cast. I think, well, is it, I don't know if that was after or before we did that, but it says he has. They haven't officially announced it yet, so. Yeah, I don't think he's officially been cast yet, but I think, but we both agree that he's a, he's a great, great choice.

There's no doubt about it. EWalk comes in and says, thoughts on John Carter. Seems like it was a much aligned upon release, but I found it to be a fun sci-fi fantasy adventure, great score by Jekino. Yeah, I think there was another one that probably cost too much, But I remember liking that movie better than what it got. Yeah, I've never seen it. There's such bad reviews.

I didn't go near it. I don't know a lot of people like it. I think this is a P. Diddy thing. It says, cheer and Broderick, you'll straight on the baby oil. That is a P. Ditty thing, right? Yeah, I feel like it is. Stay away from that. Yeah, I'm staying right away.

Okay, next one. And this is Josh Vascoids. Roka. Why are you a Yankees fan? Oh, because we didn't have baseball growing up on the East, where I lived on the East Coast. in DC, Virginia. We didn't have baseball growing up. And I was not going to cheer for the Orioles.

That's Baltimore. That's a whole other state. And I saw a Yankees game when I was a young kid like 10 years old. And there was something about pinstripes and just the aura and the N. So I just became a Yankees fan because I wanted to get into baseball. I was initially a Phillies fan because that was the year they won the series, 1980. and then I became a Yankees fan after that. And I've been that ever since, like through the terrible 80s,

some of the early 90s and then went into Jeter, man. I earned my bones as a Yankees fan. Yeah, for sure. Ari Papermaster, for John, will you be going to Interstellar re-release in 70-millimeter IMAX or a standard screen? You know, one of the gifts of living in kind of a suburb of San Diego is that I get to go to these IMAX screenings and there's like 10 people in there. And these are massive theaters.

So 100% I'm going 100%. And then a follow up for you, John? Blake Gilbert. John, what are your favorite hiking trails in San Diego? I just did one solo in Irvine on Saturday. There's a great Poway Mountain trailer, trail behind that we go to sometimes my lady outlaw and I. It's exhausting and it's fun, but it's a tough one.

Yeah. Al Rensha says, my favorite Christian movie story is when Ellis left for the bathroom and then he texted Christian, get out of there, man. Get out of there. If you know, you know. did you that was sex in the city too we we were we had done it that was before we were getting press screenings so we had doubled we were at the grove and we did a double did a double and we're I forgot the first one was he probably he remembers that stuff I

don't know what the first one we saw a second we're sitting there and this I didn't mind the first one the second one was torture second one was torture and he disappeared and he was gone I never checked my phone but I feel like I need to check my phone and I look at my phone it's from him he goes get out of there man get out of there Hank Pim, I watched the substance. What an amazing and odd movie. Here, nothing but great things about this movie. Margaret Quilley and Demi Moore crush it.

Great, strong movie in all aspects. Have you all checked out? No, I'm going to wait on that one. I think I'll probably do a movie reaction to it when it comes out. But have you seen it? No, I haven't. Jeff, Jeff liked it didn't like the ending, but he liked everything else up to the ending. A lot.

Hank Pim, and tons of Quali took us. Okay. Hello. There you go. And then Patty Boy, coming back in and saying, if you can see a making of a series on a movie like the offer i love that what which would you see i would go with barbie or titanic those are good ones i would i mean honestly since we're talking about i'd love to see the the sequel trilogy movie show me the see show me what was really going on there

wow right with the whole george lucas side of it and everything else too the jj and ryan side of it show me that you have anything well uh no i mean nothing exciting oh no apocalyptic now wouldn't you want to see how Coppola survived that whole madness yeah uh because i mean that that documentary hearts of darkness is a good documentary but to see an actual series yeah on how they did it i think would be exciting as hell uh to see and the citizen cane of course but that's a boy yeah that's a good one uh well they thought they did the the citizen came one with leave schreiber but that was a that was a tv movie you're talking about a series yeah series okay chris griner by the way official announcement the hotel nerd brand my channel just my name i grew out of the moniker well that's great chris and um yeah i'm very

very excited for anybody who look i just did it john's i think john's doing it soon aren't you are you still doing that or no what changes changing the the channel yeah uh darth archie did what about motel geek though what about motel geek hotel nerd hotel nerd hotel nerds his cousin he needs oh he needs well yeah it's true Darth Archie ditch the race story. Star Wars is huge universe timeline. I hate that I'm contributing to Rokos chat total. Why?

But I love the show. P.S. I like dude's style. Oh, because he's Darth because he's a dog. And he's afraid you're going to. Oh, oh, oh, yeah. Shiron Brojerk, Michael B. Jordan, Ryan Cougar's 2025 vampire film Sinners. His rumored to have the first trailer during Joker two screenings. Any interest? Yeah, because it's Ryan Coogler, man.

Ryan Coogler is, he's, you know, I even look, Black Panther 2 is my least favorite of his, but it's not for what he was able to do in the time that he had to do it in the circumstance he was in, just adds to how great of a filmmaker this dude is. Yeah, yeah, I agree. Do you have an interest in that vampire one?

Yeah, I like it because if we're not going to get Blade, this is the second thing, the next best thing, the Blade that we're going to get. And he took all the Blade actors, so we're essentially seeing the Blade movie. So yeah, I'm 100% all board for this. Derek Johnson, James Gunn picking movies and TV shows with good reviews to claim under the DCU doesn't really show me he's in charge. Figey takes the hits, good or bad. I'm feeling this will be his approach when things don't go well.

He doesn't have it, but no, he's not able to do that, though, once he's got actual, you know, once he actually has his shows, he's not going to be able to not get away from it. Sometimes criticism is fair. And no matter how many butt hurt James Gun defenders cry about it on Twitter, criticism is fair. Yeah. And him taking the credit for Penguin. Yeah, Super Dashman, which has nothing to do with James Gunn. Yeah. And the Penguin, which also has nothing to do with James Gunn and calling it great two things to launch under the DC Studios banner. I think is a bit of him trying to borrow some cred for himself.

Well, he didn't, you know, he talked, he said Flash with the greatest comic movie ever made. How come he gets no crap for that? So or some of the other stuff that's been released. Yeah. It's a mean it's like a little politician style. Yeah, it's a little, it's a little politicie and I don't like it. All right. Tintin just puts in $1.99.

Thank you, sir. And Derek Johnson, pop back in just to show some love to everybody. Thank you, man. You're the best. I think we only have a couple left, John. Okay. Tintang, where do I go to buy Jeff's tag team belt? And he probably sold it already.

Yeah. Did he sell it already? I don't know. He didn't tell me. It breaks my heart. I would never sell the Shmon. No. I didn't even give it.

I was going to give it. it to. We ripped it off from the spectacular. Shane Markell, hey, fellas, any thoughts on the Lioness TV show? I didn't see it. Did you? No, I haven't seen that one. I know the season two trailer came out recently, but that's one we got to catch up on. Even the lady outlaws, and she

was watching that one, and she never wants to watch Tyler Sheridan stuff. So we got to get on that at some point this week. I'm going to challenge you to answer this laughing, because I'm only reading it this person put in quick thing. The Dart, 005.

Roka, how does Koi have more subs than you? Stop back. Does he? On YouTube? I guess, that's what he said. So, Ardham, don't even bother. Artem, Shackaram on you, more likely to happen. Christian watching two soccer games on TV or John watching Arthur the King twice in a row.

Probably John watching Arthur the King twice in a row. No, we're tied. Coy and I are tied 34-8. So. Also, it helps when you're on one channel with 150,000 subscribers. and another channel with a million subscribers to push your brand. So, you know, I'm doing the best I can. I'm a blue-collar guy working from the ground up.

I don't like to ride the coattails of other people. I build my own thing, and that's what I do. And he doesn't even follow me on social media, so I don't have any, like, feelings about the situation. Always respected, Coy. He's always walked his own path. He's always done his own thing for better or worse. And so, you know, whatever.

It's okay with me. I mean, we all walk our own pace. And he's younger than me. He's going to feel to different people. He did exactly what he wanted to do to you. Nathan Stowe, have you guys heard of a Logan's Run remake? I know they did a Logan's run. I thought they were going to do a remake.

I haven't heard anything new of it, though. Yeah, Makiath-Kalphin. You have to watch the new Matlock with Kathy Bates. Show is an entering twist. No spoilers. Show will come back on CBS. You heard it's pretty good? I've heard it's a lot of fun.

And I don't usually go in for the CBS procedural. But I heard this one is a lot of fun. So I'm definitely going to check it out. Okay. John, I watched that hot mic episode with Gigolo Jeff. When you put the body out there for everybody, you got to take the good hits and the bad. That was a must watch show. Thank you.

Yeah, I agree. And Jeff pulling himself off Twitter upset me because I'm like, bro, if you're going to put yourself out there, you got to take the hits and positive. That's how it works. I don't deactivate my Twitter and I've been chased with pitchforks and lit torches. And I don't deactivate because you've got to take the hits and the positive. All right. Well, we did it. John, for the second week in a row, you are in the 70s club with 71 questions here today.

John Roca is tough to beat. I don't think, I don't know if you can be able to do that again. Coy and Winston, well, you speak a quick, Quo, Coit can beat me. No, he didn't do it last week. No, but with you, you were the, you were last week. You were the, I beat two to one. You'd be two to one. So you have not.

Yeah, Winston, Winston last week took you out, but this could be two weeks in a row. 71 questions for John Roca. John, you got to go. Where can they find you? You can find me at the Roka says on Twitter, Instagram and TikTok, The Outlaw Nation on Twitch. My YouTube channel, YouTube.com slash John Roker says, please come over and subscribe. See all the crazy fun we're having just a small channel that can. We're doing our best.

So come and hang out with us, give us some love. You know, we're building how we can. So please come and hang out with us there. All love, Dekoi. And thank you for having me all, Christian. I appreciate it. Goodbye, everybody. Thanks.

Have a good Monday. Bye, everybody. And Shane Arkell says it's not groundbreaking, but I enjoyed Lioness. Season 2 is starting in October. It's worth of watch. Lots of fun. Another Taylor Sheridan show. All right, John, get out of here.

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