The Kristian Harloff Show - AHSOKA Episode 5 SPOILER REVIEW!

Episode Date: September 14, 2023

Join the website here! http://www.thekristianharloff.com Ahsoka has everyone taling with the latest episode. In this episode we discuss the meaning of the world between worlds. We talk Jacen, Hera and the road to Thrawn and Ezra. How did the return of Hayden Christensen work? How was the deepfake this go round? Kevin Smets joins Kristian Harloff on this episode of Big thing, Sith Council edition. #ahsoka #sith #starwars #ahsoka #anakin 

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stuff stuff will be back when the strikes over that's that's the question i can answer however the good news is that i i love saying this the guy who whipped on mike kalinowski's ass in the schmodeown a couple different times um the last movie trivia shmodown inner geekdom champion in the world kevin smet's you know him from john roka's the jedi way and uh scoundgel's ink well he's coming in here to talk to me because i had him on the show first before anybody else did i didn't say that bro um you're okay steam coming out of his ears i love you but we're going to talk about everything inside of the assoc episode five episode that makes it it is spoiler heavy there's a lot of things going on in this one i did a reaction to it i did an immediate reaction to it shout out to the

great nerd chronic for editing that um the reaction watch along that i did uh and if you're brand new the channel man we just hit 92,000 subscribers and that's because you guys when you come in here you see us with the short form content long form shorter videos in general podcasts all of it subscribe to the channel help us out show a little class just announce all right without any further ado let's get to it it is the Sith Council big thing me Kevin Smets let's do it all right sits council everybody as I said and joining me on the show the one and only Mr. Heaven Smith's very nice. Look at that.

What is that? Is that Revin? Oh, you're muted. See, I love Digital so much. I love it. It's the best. I'm not muted at all. No, you're not anymore.

It wasn't your fault. That was my fault. What's up? How are you? What's going on? You can't have a Sith counsel without, you know, the greatest Sith of all time. Also, that redeemed the light. And that would be Mr. Darth Revan.

Yeah, that's a Revan mask. How you doing, Christian? Good to see you. I'm doing good. That does bring sadness to my heart, though, because I told you, I said it on a short night. I think I sent to you, I don't think we're ever going to see a night sale republic ever, which is a bummer to me. But that's a topic for another day, I guess.

You sure are going to see it because it's on revintrilogy.com. You could see all the movies. I just did a new release of all the movies combined. You could watch all of my Revin Cotor movies right there on Smash City Studios. Well, that's very true. But when it comes to the actual canon stuff and everything, too, I don't know if we're ever going to see it. I think it's a travesty. However, that's not we're going to talk.

about tonight. I'm talking about this episode, man. This was a this was, well, I haven't talked to about it. I was literally texting you to see if you wanted to come on this show, I think like one minute before the episode dropped. So if you noticed when you were texting me, you got radio silence when six o'clock at. Yeah, I was like, hey, I sent you a picture of my, uh, Keira. And I was like, what do you think of this picture? And you never wrote back. So I figured, uh, it was Star Wars time. Uh, yeah, that's beautiful by the way. Blown away, blown away by the episode for sure what do you think man i loved it i really did it i have questions i mean i have a lot of questions but um there's i i mean so and i and this is what this was where i go back to a conversation that

i had with mike last week and i always push back against people who say don't speculate don't speculate just take what they give you just just you just you know just just watch what just watch the show don't speculate i think it's the most self-righteous um like just arrogant point of view for people to say that because I think that the proper thing to say is speculate responsible. If you speculate and it doesn't go your way, don't be a douche about it. You know, don't say, oh, it should have been like this. You should have been, you can say I was disappointed, didn't go that particular way. But I was, but I was wrong and I watched the show and they did that instead. And the perfect example for me, I thought this entire episode, Kev,

I thought it was going to be the whole thing was going to be world between worlds. I thought We were just going to get a whole bunch of different kind of flashbacks throughout the episode. And we didn't get that. And it served the story better. It actually furthered the plot. So. Yeah, it's funny, like with expectations. I remember I'm a big, I've always been a spoiler guy.

You know this. I text you whenever you go to movie premieres, I'll be like, hey, man, I got one question for you. And I remember, I mean, this is back in the days of the force. Dot net. I remember when it was rumored that in sync was on the set of Attack of the Clones. I remember seeing leaked footage of Anakin twirling his saber on a genosis thing. So, like, I go way back. But I remember the last Jedi.

They leaked footage of the Fadiers, those horse things. Yeah. On Campo bite. Yeah, yeah. And I remember, to me, it looked like Anderone. And to me, in my brain, I was like, it's going to start with a crawl saying that Le is, or sorry, that Luke's been training with Ray. It's going to pan down on And we're going to have this opening adventure, Padoon. And, you know what I mean?

like you have these expectations and when it didn't happen i'm a little different than you i actually like that movie but uh you know my expectations weren't met so again there were other leagues too which i think we're freely able to say here and i'm sure we'll get into it but like there was touching they were talking about that there was footage shot of asoka and aniken fighting on mustafar and that the whole point was on world between worlds he was going to show her that no matter what she did his destiny was always the same and her destiny will always be the same it wasn't quite that it was a little different than that but Like for me, like I, like you said, like if you're able to have those expectations and if it doesn't hit, you're like, oh, well, we didn't get that, but we got all of this.

I'm just, I'm a happy camper. I was smiling ear to ear the whole time, man. And you're also able to be disappointed if you look at something and you say, oh, I thought it would have been so much better, you know, if it went there, didn't. And you can choose to either keep watching it or not, right? And it's like that's, but you're allowed to say, oh, you know, in my head, I would have loved had seen this. It was disappointed. Who cares if I'm disappointed and you're not? It's like, you know, it's what, again, if you're like, this show sucks because it should have done this.

Well, then you're in the wrong. Then you're in the wrong. And that's what a lot of people do. And I think that's where a lot of people will say it. And the other thing now that is becoming so overused, it worked at times. But now it's just like it's almost like a thing where people just feel like they're so like, tell them Steve, Dave. And it's the thing where they do the, nobody hate Star Wars more than Star Wars fans. And it's like, it's like, okay.

I mean, I get it when it comes to. the event you know there's so many people that are so toxic when it comes to fandom in in everything whether it's dc um star wars marvel all of it it is but it's like it but now it's just overused and beaten if somebody has a criticism on something and said oh you know it would have been interesting if this happens instead of that nobody hates star was more than star was fans and it's like just find something that's the equivalent of uh when jr people used to say uh after the prequels, you know, oh, George Lucas raped my childhood, like all the original childhood, all the original trilogy fans hating on the prequels. And to segue, now it's funny.

Like, no one has, like, I saw a tweet about it where like, no one has had Aitin better at the table right now, eating better at the table than people fans. Like, you got the Quigon, Obi-1, Soca, Clone Wars, Anakin. Like, I'm happy for that. And I'm super happy for Hayden. Hey, like, what do you think? I think this is probably the best Anakin acting for Hayden out of all of it. 100%. I actually said it in my reaction when I was watching. But let's rewind a little bit because what I want to do is I actually want to go.

I'm going to show images and kind of go through the episode itself. And the reason I brought all that stuff up with the fact that I thought it was going to be start right away from World Between Worlds. And it doesn't. It starts back on that planet. And it goes through and it's just like this. It's just kind of like a wasteland. Not wasteland, but it's just empty. And it's such a great sequence of shots by Filoni who directed a really.

wrote the episode. But it just starts, it's like this, the red trees, you know, and then you get the, it's kind of panning to the ocean where it's, this is where the majority of this episode is taking place to find out wherever the hell Asoka is at this point. And it's just so quiet. And as we get to this, all the shots, the shot of where the map was and have this big battle and there was so much activity happening in this spot. And it's just like, it's almost like, it's almost like, like the old Westerns where you're just waiting for that dustball to kind of come by, you know, because it's like, it's so quiet. And I thought it was a really daunting way to, to open.

You know, it reminded me of is, and I know that, I mean, obviously, when we get into the Asoka, the white stuff, for me, I'm just like, all right, relax everybody. But the, uh, the, uh, Filoni loves like Lord of the Rings and, like, even that sketch of Asoka and Gandalf, when people are asking during Rise of Skywalker is, is Asoka alive? he just drew this sketch of Gandalf with Asoka. But the opening of two towers, if you remember, they show these majestic shots of the mountain and you hear just faint echoes of the you shall not pass

and everything that was happening with Gandalf when he fell. And I got, like, goosebumps when I just think about it, I got vibes of that that he was showing what you just said. Where this was chaos not minutes ago, now it's empty and it's just almost like a graveyard of memories and you see the broken map and everything like that. And then you finally like end on, you know, know the ocean or whatever that reminded me of the two towers and i was like oh man we're going we're

going all in with this scandal stuff which like i said i think it's funny that everybody's calling here a soak of the white because i don't think that's what she'll be but i think that'll be her internet term but it is kind of funny that you know like people were saying well we'll get it there but yeah well i enjoyed that opening and isn't it funny that phelony by doing that kind of breaks canon a little bit because in the prologue of rebels, which was supposed to be before this event, she's wearing the white when she sees Sabine. Well, maybe we haven't seen that yet. I mean, this is what we did.

We did. We did that. No, but maybe they do it again where now she's in her white apparel. No, it's the same moment. She's doing the same thing about the white stuff. She didn't like get reborn and then be given like this new robe. Like she probably just went into her wardrobe on the ghost or whatever they had on the ghost are like, hey, we got this like off white thing.

And she's like, oh, this looks pretty cool. Like, you know what I mean? She was like she was a JC Penny or Nordstrom. Like, oh, there's the new thing on the rack. I don't think it was like now all wear all white. But yes, it's the symbolism behind it to where she's, she's always, she's never been really teetering on the dark side, but she's been in between the whole time. So it's more like that kind of gray thing.

Now she's clearly stepped into the light. She's, you know, she's seen the balance of the force. She's, she's chose the actual path. And we'll get, we'll get into that. But as we see. see, you know, this land as it's coming through and then the first bit of action that we finally see to, you know,

kind of put some life back into this place that's quiet or the X-Wings kind of flying over and then Hara gets out and she's doing like the scan. She doesn't know what to expect. The last she saw was the freaking, the big ring destroying everybody.

And so she doesn't know what to expect down in this. She doesn't know where her friends are. She doesn't know any of that. Yeah. And Hara just, is such nailed as a character. My wife has been watching it with me. She hasn't seen this one. We're going to watch it tonight.

But she immediately was like, these characters are so likable that we started laughing. She's like, she loves Hera. We love Hu Yang. We love Jason. We love these characters. And we were like, you know what?

Osoka is kind of like the Ted Lasso of Star Wars. Because like, even the villains we like, I love Baylon, right? Like, I would follow Baylon. Whatever he wants me to do, I'll do it. You know, aside from slaughtering younglings. But like, we were talking about how, but yeah, Hera and like just that care, like, the family vibe. You kind of get that vibe from Guardians of the Galaxy that they were like

dismissed to it became family. And it's like, they'll do anything for Ezra. They'll do anything for each other and the desperation on Hara. And it's just great. And you can see Canaan live action. I'm wondering your buddies with him is if Freddie Prince took a photo and that is Freddie Prince or if that's just a blurred out CGI, Kainan, Jarras from, you know, AI art or something. But it's on the dash. Like, you get, yeah, yeah. No, I don't, I'll tell you what, they're going to, they're going to blur it out as much as they possible because I don't, I don't think Freddie has any interest in having anything to do with, with Star Wars anymore. I don't think he has any interest of having his face represented

from it. I don't think he's watching anything. I just don't think he's, I think he's done. I just think he's done. But that's not to say that you can't be slick about it, whether you say, you know, you make it an AI thing or whether you do. And some people had a picture of like, it was him And I guess his wife were on like a red carpet and it was very similar to it. And you can't and if you can't really prove it, you know, be careful. Remember the back to the feature thing with Crispin Glover. Didn't he try to like sue the filmmakers because they had like a lookalike and they hung him upside down for a bad back?

That's a lot different because you're not, you're, you're, you're, you have someone's face. So if you turn it over, you're looking at someone's face, right? But it's this, this is a picture of like it resembles Freddie because it resembles the character. Hell, it could have been a stunt double that looked like him. So they want to, I don't, that's not something that I think Freddie's going to go, wait a minute, wait a minute, plus, you know, who knows? I just, I think people like, oh, wait a minute, Freddy's going to come back in a vision. Freddy ain't coming back. No chance. There's that, that, that, you got a better chance of Revin showing up in the next episode than you have, uh, you then you have, uh, yeah,

Freddie Prince Jr. showing him was Canaan. Now, who knows if Canaan will show up, but it ain't going to be Freddy. I'll tell you that. Anyway, so there were, there was a lot of those types of references, but the first thing that happens, and I like how they got Jason involved, by the way, Jason had the possibility, if not done correctly, to be very annoying. He's not annoying. He's, he, you can tell, you know, I don't know if anyone has trained him. I don't love the fact that when he, initially, when he's like, mom, I hear something. She knows who his dad was. She knows he's got something going on. Don't do the whole cliche of like, I don't know what you hear, kid.

It's like he probably hears something because he's got some Jedi in. Do you think that when she starts hearing it too, is she playing a, like when my daughter comes into the room, like as a T-Rex, like I act like I'm in fear and I run away from the T-Rex, right? Do you think that's Hara playing with her son? Or do you think Harris started hearing whispers of the Force

and the lightsaber? Because now we're in this era where everybody can access the Force almost, you know? I hope not. I hope that it's the first part of it to where she just trusts him, says, okay, you know what, there's, there's something. I can feel like something. I don't know what it is.

I can't hear what you're hearing, but I can, but I believe you. And that's kind of what I'm talking about like that, that trust is there because, yes, it's in everyone. And it doesn't mean everyone can access it because the same thing like Sabine's

having problems accessing it, right? So we're going to have Harris start accessing it too. It's like, no, I, it's this episode of the gallery that they do is going to be fascinating. Yeah.

You know, the full breakdown of this entire episode, that's one I think it's going to be very viewed. But Jason comes out and he even says, can I browse around a little bit? Can I check out what's going on? She's like, yeah, but stay, you know, stay close. And him and chopper walking around, I love the use of chopper. Then she's like, stay back because I hear something. And she starts walking over and she sees Hu Yang holding the helmet. And I got a moment here of, do you remember, are you being never-ending story guy?

Yes, yes. With the nothing and the crazy wolf that scared me for my childhood. Yeah. Remember when the nothing took out, it took out everything. And then I think it's a tray who comes across the big rock monster. Yes. He's like, these hands were in my hands. And it was like, it reminded me of that moment where he's just like,

I told them to listen and they didn't listen. It was a very, it shows such a great, great side of Hu Yang. And what he really cares, it's like, he's like the first droid that really, I mean, I see 3PO had some kind of crazy emotions too, but he's got some emotions that I think are really, uh, he's one of my favorite droids. He really is. Yeah, I mean, and I, I kind of went off about B2 EMO during our Andor reviews on Scoundrel's Inc. like saying like, look, if I have a Roomba, I want it to go around cleaning my house. I don't want it to be like, oh, where's Marba? Like, just clean my house. Go back, make my coffee, right? So, but. Pispot did have emotions. It's a good point. But this one, like Hu Yang, like, my God, like, the fact is he probably trained this dude,

if this guy gets canonized. Like, he was around for, like, thousands and thousands of years. He trained Revin, Malik, X. Arcoon before he turned out, like, everybody. Like, that's crazy of his wealth of knowledge. And then he's almost like Olavander, right? He made everybody in their sabres and stuff like that instead of the ones, not to get too nerdy with the Harry Potter. But, yeah.

And that scene, too. like I'm usually not one where I like droids to show emotions like unless it's really earned and like I just especially this droid who has lived so many thousands of years but he has now seen this Jedi have grown from such a big number and then fallen and it's like everyone he loses now he's like dude it's like if he stayed together they could have lived and like yeah that's great he's feeling the loss of so much and I think it might be weighing in on him now you know and he doesn't know nobody knows what's going on and then Jason finally this is where he's jason like feels something and he's like he knows something's out there even said it and then we just we we shoot to that title shadow warrior and it's like okay you know that the second we come back to it here we go and then we're we're off and running with the is it the world between worlds yes so man i like that like you don't know like is anicated a force ghost is it in her head and i'm reminded of a quote again i'm i'm going with harry potter stuff again. I'm sorry for if anyone who doesn't like Harry Potter, but at one point at the end,

I'm sorry, I'm sorry for being on this show. I'm sorry for existing. Sad sack. Harry Potter dies basically and then is in this afterlife, which is like prostation, King's prostation and Dumbledore's in his head. And he's like, Dumbledore like, is this happening that I'm talking to you because you've been dead or is this in my head? And he literally says, of course it's happening in your head. But why on earth should that mean that it's not real. So like my theory going in was that Anakin for his penance, I texted to do this. I'm like for all of his deeds, they were like, all right, you kind of slaughtered school

children. You blew up planets. Like yeah, you're back. You're good. But you need to now be hall monitor of the world between worlds, basically. And that's what I thought. Like he's always going to be there guarding over time and space. But I don't know, like a hall monitor, basically, like Red Skull was in, to the soulstone. But now I think that he was a force ghost. But he might be little something more. And I know people are saying, I don't think they'll ever go live action too much into the Mortis God stuff

because you're already asking a lot of people when you're like, now we have this afterlife with these long, like, for live action fans, they're just used to like what they saw in the movies, basically, right? So I think he was probably a force ghost, but maybe he's a little more.

Like, not quite a Mortis God, but something in between a Force ghost. I think you're right as far as the Mortis stuff goes, for sure. Because, look, that was a big Lucas thing, too, not just a not just a flow anything the mortis stuff was stuff that Lucas worked on and was very very involved in with those mortis episodes but the thing is when it comes to the world between worlds my my question is

when you go back and you watch the rebels episode when Ezra is able to access it and be able to go it's this whole episode where the empire is trying to figure out how to how to get through the gateway and the doorway to get through it and Ezra has opened up the gateway using the mortis gods to code to walk through it. And then once he's out, they destroy it or they turn it off or whatever, or they change it. They don't just, they change it to the locks or whatever it is, but they needed a gate in order to do it.

Like so they don't really explain in this episode if she is in the world between worlds, what was the gate? Because as far as inside of your head, I would have said, maybe it's inside of her head and she was floating around the water and that's how she was able to survive underneath. it because whatever it might be. But Jason's hearing the lightsabers. Yeah. Yeah. And wasn't she, she died in Clone Wars too, right? Like, so part of the daughter is in her. So she might, right? Right. Who? Assoca. Yeah. Like, like, basically, I felt like she died in the clonor. Please in the comments. You'll either roast me or you'll agree with me. She has a connection.

That's why that bird thing is always following her around. And so she might have access to that. But this goes to my larger theory about bailin i think balin is after the world between worlds because i think the path to hell is paved with good intentions and i think that balin is was really messed up by order 66 and i think when he says like what is it at the end of this road that we have when chin said that a couple episodes ago he's like absolute power it's and then i rewatch the rebels episode too when the doctor's telling sabine about the world between worlds and he's like whoever has access to it will have the ultimate power of time and space, right? Baylon wants to get to that world between worlds to go back in time.

Foolishly, he thinks he can do that so he could stop Anakin and Order 66. That's my theory and that we are in the end going to realize Baylon had good intentions, but I think at some point, Thrawn's just going to be like, we don't need you anymore. It's going to be, it's going to be tragic. But yeah, this goes back to the beginning of our conversation with the speculation, right? This is, this is the fun speculation part of it. I think we're done with the world between worlds. I think it's, I think we're not going to see it anymore.

I think that the net be you remember you only have six, seven, and eight now to tell the ultimate part of the story, which is find Thron, set up Thrawn to the live action viewers as well. Pose the big threat. Is Ezra around? Where the hell are they to jump back in between the world, between worlds and all that with Asoka really being the only one now after the space whales take her through the portal? I think that if there was like 15 episodes, they say maybe who knows me, but they'll go back there. but I think we're done with it, but we spend a lot of time there. And before we even spend any more time there talking about it, I want to tell you guys about two of our wonderful sponsors.

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always got to prop your segways i appreciate that um so let's let's get back into it now because this is where it really all begins and where the majority of people are losing their minds and rightfully so you have this whole conversation with anakin and anisoka as it leaves off in the last episode. And they're just kind of staring at each other. And she doesn't really understand what the hell's going on. I mean, we never really get a reason why or any of this, how she got there. She's just trying to figure out because she's, as you mentioned, this space, in between time and all this stuff.

She doesn't, he's like, you lost a fight. And I will say this. I gave them so much crap last week, and I think rightfully so on how bad that deep fake was. It looked great this episode. It looked great. Like they took, they just took little pieces out of the wrinkles and things there. I mean, just de-aged them just a little bit, gave my hair cut, did these certain things. I thought it looks fantastic.

Yeah. And what's funny is a leaker actually, right after it aired last week, he was like, don't worry, it looks way better in the next episode. So it's not like they went back to the well and, like, did it better. Like, for some reason, they had a different team on that or whatever. Like, his team. But, like, why would it be that at that first one? and so good later, which is weird. But I do believe that that deaging is probably the best.

I think it's better than Luke even in the Mandalorian, in Boebo-Beth. I think it's better than Luke. And it's on par with Michael Douglas. And I think Samuel Jackson's de-aging and Captain Marvel was the best. That was insane. Like a whole movie he was in it like that. Yeah.

Well, the reason why I think it was so good also, and this is what I said when I was so confused why they didn't do it for Obi-Wan. It's because he's not that old. you only really have to deage him by like, you know, 15, 16 years. And you just got to, like with Mark Hamill, you got to stick a whole new face on him. You don't really have to do that with Hayden Christensen. You just got to do a couple airbrushes.

You got to take some, you know, some age out of them, put some stuff from the older movies. And I agree with you. It worked brilliantly, but it's the conversation that he's happened with him, too. And I think that this is what goes back to what you were saying. The reason why I do think it is kind of like a more. to Scott or something because we'll get more into depth about everything that we see. But this is a, what do they always say about Anakin?

He's the chosen one, right? He was the one who brought balance to the force. And throughout this lesson, he's given Asoka, he's got to do it by going through the light side and the dark side. And I couldn't agree with you more. I think this is, this proves because everybody, myself included, when, unless you were like, grew up with the prequels and you just, when you were watching it as an older person, the dialogue from a lot of performances were wooden, Hayden Christians' performance, and a lot of it

was wooden because there was a, he didn't have a lot to do. He has a lot to do here, and he shows, look what I could at some with the directing of the performance. It's, it's, he does, this is the best Anakin we've seen so far. Leonardo DiCaprio couldn't pull off some of those lines and attack of the clones. Remember, he was like, with rumored to be, him and Ryan Philippe, I remember that whole thing. Like, and it, look, that's, that's the way there was, there was cheesy lines in Empire strikes back even, the greatest of all of them, right? Like, my hands are dirty, or my hands are dirty, too. Like, if that was out in the era of Twitter and people didn't like the filmmaker,

they probably would have hammered him on that. So it's all subjective, but so glad that, I mean, Hayden kind of got to redeem. Like, I don't like to say redeem. It's the wrong word because he did his job. He did his. Got to do more. Got to do more. Yeah, I got to do more.

Absolutely. So they have this battle. It's the, it's, it's light side Anakin. I was, when I was watching, I was like, oh, this is going to be a different Anakin that we thought it was going to be the dark side an anian, but it's not. This is, and they made it pretty clear because he's got the blue saber and he's just teaching her and he's having, it's a fight. And it goes through and then it bounces back to, what's the planet that they're on?

Well, I thought it was Teth at first because she says it's our first mission, but it's not Teth. It's Rilock. And I confirm that. No, no, no, no, no, not in the flashback. Where Hera and all them are at. Oh, they're on Cetus or Cetos, they call it. Okay, so we jump back to Satoz. We jump back to Sato.

Yeah, well, exactly. That's why I asked you. So we jump back to Sanko. And this is where we have that conversation where Chomper and Jason are just staring out there. And Jason's, Jason hears it. And this is, you know, the whole conversation I was talking about where, because Huyang's like, this kid hears something. So something's going on.

And before we even get into that conversation, I, and this is, and I've done this before to Philonia, and I need to stop doing it. Because last week, I was like, how do they, you? not even mention Princess Leia? How do they not mention Luke? How do you, I mean, you got to, I mean, like, isn't your first phone called to Luke Skywalker in a

situation like this? Because even brought up the flash and the flash they bring up in the beginning of the movie, they're like, well, Superman's busy, Aquaman's busy, but it's mentioning them. Yeah. Finally, they get one and they go, well, Senator Organa says she can only buy us so much time or whatever it is, you know? And it's how

they mentioned Leah. That was great. Did you, did you geek out at that one? Yeah. Not so much that one. More about the, I was just glad that they gave the lip service to Canaan because I was just so worried they're going to try to bury him. Because I did hear about this drama or whatever that the Freddie Prince. I don't know if there's some fallout or whatever.

And I was like, I just don't want the story to suffer. Like that is a very important thing to this child of who his father was. And like Canaan is up there with one of my favorite Jedi too. So I was really glad to hear that. And yeah, to hear Organa. I mean, at this point, you're going to have obviously the Poloni movie. I can't, I don't know if it's after this season.

or if there's another season and then the phloney movie but the pheloney movie is basically going to be the star wars avengers style team up movie right you're going to bring everybody from each show and it's going to be the Avengers but you can't have a gal like you can't have Luke and hon and even leis sit this one out maybe han but like you can't have uh you can't have the son of the chosen one sit this one out so like at this point are you going to do the deep fake for a whole movie or you're going to recast get Sebastian stand in there like i don't know what they're going to do but you're right Like it's time to start acknowledging these people. Unfortunately, you're trying to show movies in an era where they're at their prime.

And so they're not going to sit this one out and be like, oh, air to the empire, no worry about it. Like they have to be part of it. He doesn't have to be huge. It's like, yeah. It's only six years. It's only six years since, you know, the events of Return of the Jedi. Yeah. So, like, why they're in their prime still?

Like, why wouldn't they be involved? Now, it's good they mentioned Argana. So we know, okay, she's involved in the Senate. she's involved in this we just don't see her okay i'm good with that where's luke even you can probably get away with han at this point hans doing something he's on some kind of mission he's doing something with lando he's that you probably i mean and honestly he's one that if you don't mention you don't mention them i get it like me oh solo and and lando we're doing something out and somebody i'm not in this show you don't need him in this show but as you're talking about the big movie you don't necessarily need

them even though john hoey is crossing his fingers at all that Alden Aaron Reich is going to show up. But I will say that you got to have Luke. You got some way or another, you've got to have Luke. And especially if you're trying to do the Zon novels, it's some kind of play into Air to the Empire, whether or not you're substituting Asoka for Luke or not. You've got to try to figure that out.

I think it's okay for this series, though, because I think Assoca's made this a personal journey anyway. And I think she's told a lot of people. I don't think she's on the phone with Luke saying, hey, I'm going to go, you know, try to hop on some space whales and find Ezra. And I think, you know, even when Hara was mentioning to the New Republic, they were just idiots and, like, not wanting to help.

So I think that they're just getting no support anyway, but I think that Asoka was like, Luke's busy was his thing. This is my personal journey. I'm going to do it. But, yeah, when Thrawn finally gets back, and I predict at the end of the season's going to be, like the last shot of attack of the clones with the army and the showing the ships leave in the beginning of the Clone Wars,

I think the last shot of this season is going to be Thrawn in all. his glory somewhere with uh with all with a new fleet or whatever it is and you know we're going to end there so yeah but now after that when it gets when it when people check on facebook and threads in space that oh thrones back that's when luke's got to get involved and definitely leah needs to throw her weight around the center what's so nuts about it is to you you know how excited i am about the accolite uh i'm to learn a different part of the star wars history where there's a bunch of Jedi running around and the Sith are just starting to kind of come up from through the shadows. It's fascinating to me.

However, again, showing that there was never really a big plan throughout it, I think it was a mistake that that's going to be one of the next ones that comes out when you're trying to set up Flonis movie. Because you've got skeleton crew that got pushed back, right? We don't know when that's coming out. So that'll probably come out somewhere in the February, March area, depending on the strike. Um, then you've got to get another season of Mandalorian season four. Um, and then what I heard was that if Asoka did well with fans and ratings, it would be season two leading into it. Looks like if that's the case, if that is factual, we're getting the season two because it's

doing the good ratings. It's, it's it's it is a water cooler show. They haven't had a water cooler show since Mandalorian season two. Um, it should have been Obi-1, man. It should have been old. Yeah. I mean, I guess they had one moment when Vader kind of came back, but for the most part, that show kind of... Obi-1 still higher on it for me, but that's only because of my fan at it, like, because the things that I thought were wrong with it, we kind of remedied it or whatever, but, yeah, this is the potential of what Obi-1 could have done the open one.

And I don't know disrespect to the other filmmaker. Like, I never want to harp on anyone. Like, I never want to be negative on anyone because as a filmmaker myself, going to film school and making my own movies. Some were good, something were bad. I understand the feeling of putting all that work into something. And then when people shit on it. So I'm not sorry if I can cut on it. Yeah.

But yeah. So. Well, and so as we jump back into our moment here, though, we've got chopper, Hera, and then even, and I love what Carson's been doing lately too.

And he was hilarious in this episode. And he goes, what are we doing here? Are we, are we waiting around? We got to go. We don't have much time. And then,

hold on a second. Let me see what's going on. She then goes and talks to, Jason, he's like, I hear something. This is the moment that I was talking, all right, sure you do, kid. And then finally, whether she hears it, whatever she does, she closes her eyes and she knows something's going on. She turns around and she goes, all right, we're, we're going to do this now.

So everybody, and he's like, oh, okay. And then when they have this moment between Hu Yang and this was my, the funniest moment, this is again, I always referenced this, where if anybody ever says to me, oh, you don't like when they joke in Star Wars. False. I like when it fits the characters, when it makes sense, when it feels like it's an organic moment that could be funny. And this is one of those moments to me.

But Yang's out there and when he says, you know, she's, Canaan Jaris was his father who's a Jedi. He's like, well, okay. He's like representing all of like the live bands that only know the movies, you know, that have never seen rebels. And like, that's what my wife

would say. She would be like, oh yeah, yeah, that's not that. checks out, checks out. And then he just believes it, and he goes about his business. I thought it was, I thought it was great. And I thought he delivered it perfectly. It's just kind of shrugs, looks over, and it's just, he just, all right, fine, let's just, I guess that's what we're doing here. So he runs back to the ship and he gets everybody ready and Huyang just kind of walks back in.

And Jason and Chopper just, and I love how loyal chopper is to Jason, by the way. Do you notice that he doesn't give him, he gives crap to everybody. He doesn't give Jason any crap. yeah yeah and it's that found family thing but like that now you're having a real legacy family there yeah um and i i man where's jason in the sequel trilogy right is he dead where is he man because and where's ezra you can't have ezra miss out on another war like you got one okay you got to miss the original trilogy because you're out and hanging out with space whales and throng but like if he's back man unless the series or movie the poloni movie figures out a way to like get him

for sleep stuck there again for another 60 years like where's Ezra? Where's Jason? Like, is Jason just one of the dead bodies in from Kylo? Like, that's where I feel like Ezra's going to train Jason, right? Like, I feel like that's what we'll head for it. I hope so. But where are they, man? Like, again, when you when you work in such a small time space, I never believe in happy endings. I always think that, man, if they're not there, they're probably dead. And for Ezra, you can't have him miss out on another global galaxy thing. So what's going on? Ezra, Asoka, Sabine, like, where are all these people? Yeah. It's a it also goes by the funny thing as I bet you if he had his way at the time he didn't have the kind of clout that he has now Um, he probably would have he got Hera's name mentioned in Rogue 1. Yeah. Like they probably if he if if, if Faloni had the cloud he has today, you probably would have seen at least an older version or one of those characters pop up in the new trilogy. But the problem is that was the old school way of thinking with okay, well this this filmmaker we doesn't need to pay attention to things we're doing just you filmmaker one do your thing.

filmmaker two do your thing filmmaker three your thing oh wait you're fired we're bringing back number one yeah there's no so that i think that that is has now changed now and i think pheloni and fabro have have have helped change that but as we jump back then we have this moment this is this is the one that people including myself lost their minds for asoka kind of one-ups um anakin a little bit in this battle and he's like i didn't teach you everything and he shows he's because he's kind of you're right kind of a gatekeeper he knows what to do and he slashes the the world between worlds thing she falls And I'm like, as I'm watching this thing, I'm going, where is she going? Like, what?

There was rumors that, like, it was going to be Mustafa and then you're going to see, like, him, like, beaten Obi-Wan. And she pops up. And the first thing I saw, I saw Stormtroopers walk running out. And then I noticed very quickly that they were clone troopers. And I'm like, oh, we're in the Clone Wars. And they pop through and you have her as young Asoka. And it's played by the same actress that was in the Barbie movie.

And I think she was young Gomorra, too, I think. Yeah, she is. And that begs the question. How many, that would be a funny trivia question. How many people are, this actress, she played Young Gamora. Her name is Ariana Greenblatt. Okay. Green something.

But you're right. She played, like, Thanos was her mentor and now Darth Vader was her mentor. How many billions of people, these people kill? But yeah, so she plays a good person. She does a great young Asoka. Now that is, people thought it was the Battle of Teth. But on a further rewatch, it's the Battle of Rilaw. because you see Twilocks too like in in like commander gear the first battle one of the first battles it was one of their first battles yeah in the first season and that's after it's after when she led that space battalion and where she got everybody like killed because she didn't listen to orders so that it's also playing into that episode she's talking about even in that battle a lot of people died but also she's referring to the space battle overhead that happened earlier or these people right but man talk about live action clone wars it was great it was so great to see and then I so

So our good buddy, Chris Gilleski, who was one of the, who was like the main writer of Shmowdown for years, he wrote. And he's like, well, the one thing is I think they got the actress was a little too young. I don't agree. I think she's the perfect age. I think she's the perfect age. There's exactly when she started the Clone Wars. Like that's how old she was. She was around that area.

And when you go ahead. Yeah, that's how messed up the Clone Wars were. You had Paduan's that were like forced into it and forced into this situation where they had to fight way too young and I can't wait to watch it with my wife because she's I know she's going to mention the same thing like man she's just a child it's like that's what the clone wars were and the Jedi were you know she didn't get to stay in the temple and do all these lessons with Liam Lee versus the stage. He says it. I got to change you to be a soldier. So he says it. Yeah. And I think it's really powerful showing how young she is and like how she's like scared and like look dude like back in the Civil War they.

had young 12 year olds not fighting but like the drum boys that were like going to the front and stuff like that like this is reality is some in some desperate situations they were throwing rifles in the hands of children to like defend their lands and stuff like that and um so i thought i just like anything real and i told you about this when i was in studio the last time is that uh i really want one i've always said uh not gritty gritty is so overly used but a de-aged hayden and iwin coming together and doing a clone wars movie now you can have a soka in the mix and you do a an apocalypse now style story where they get stranded on Felicia or some crazy

story that lived in this universe and I think they proved they can do it. We don't need a show. We don't need a series. Just give me us a two hour awesome war movie. My God, that would make a billion dollars, wouldn't it? Yeah. Dude, this was fantastic to see like for Clone Wars fans in general.

I mean, not even necessarily fans of the animated show. It really showed a side of the Clone Wars that we haven't seen in live action before. You know, it showed we've seen it so people who were fans of the show got a chance to see this got a chance to see all these things but it really was in able and they give him the short hair at this point you know they had um like how osoka kind of comes into play their dynamic in general and this conversation she has and he's she's even like aren't you going to be so serious is like you want me to always be serious and like it's like this conversation that they're having between the two of them and all the clones are coming through and the ships are in the background it was like it really i mean they did something well even with the obviously with the volume but you can't really tell too much of it. It played fantastic.

You can tell the phillone's been wanting to do this for a long time. The explosions going off. This is the kind of stuff that I think that the, like, even though attack of the clones, like, is gorgeous looking when it comes to the computer side of it, a lot of big criticisms are how computer graphics and almost animated it looks. This is that war feel that we've been waiting for for a long time.

Yeah, and Hayden is such a student of the game now, too. Before he started Obi-1, He famously said publicly, I rewatched all the Clone Wars. And what I love about Hayden was he still brought some of his delivery of lines. Like when he would like sometimes he talks and blinks a lot, trying to say a sentence, trying to get through to someone. He's saying that to Asoka. But then he'll sound like Matt Lanter too.

And it's because he said he rewatched all the Clone Wars and wanted to do justice to what he had done to. And it's such a merging of both characters in that scene. And let's give credit to this young actor. who's playing Asoka, but she's not playing 13-year-old Assoca in the war, 14-levels she is. She has to play an older Asoka trapped, like playing big, basically, right? Like trapped in the young Asoka's body right now. And the way she was able to do that and kind of, you can tell that that was like older Asoka in younger Asoka. And it's great.

And when she's like, oh, that's the Clone Wars. He's like, no kidding. Like their banter back and forth was so good. Yeah. This scene was just ear-to-ear-to-eer grinning. But it didn't. it's absolutely rewarded fans that watch these shows and I said without losing new fans but like there was the moment where she's like she's got her hand on the clone trooper who's in who's hurting she always had a relationship with the clone trooper she always cared about them right she you saw that side of her that we that you fell in love with the character of Asoka she has those more those conversations with anakin and this is where you know as they're getting worked on and she's kind of he's kind of telling her we're still we're seeing that version and the lesson that he's teaching her through the world between worlds. in these moments of like the balance behind it.

But you're right though. If you look in the background, you can see some of the Twylex in the back. I kind of have conversations with, with lone troopers, for sure. And I love that you see phase one clone trooper armor. I think Rex is in the background. And in the credits,

I love little things like this. It's so poloni. So in the credits, they credit to Miller Morrison. And they make sure to say, commander rex slash captain Rex. Because like at one point he's a captain, at one point he's a commander earlier on in the warrior, phase one armor and phase two.

armor and then we'll get to that obviously i don't want to jump too far ahead of that right yeah that was pretty cool but dude this is the best part of it all because they have this long conversation he's to you see the relationship and you really see why aniken was a good master for that during that part of it but he starts walking off and into battle with that saver and then they they switch really quick but clear his day and and there's that shot and silhouette of him is in the full vader gear and it's like, oh my God, this is like this is where this is the next phase of this world between worlds that we're going to. Yeah, yeah.

And, you know, his armor is so great. And I, I never realized that. But when you see it in live action, that armor is kind of shades of Vader's later. He has that shoulder plate too, which really like, you know, a lot of the time, I've always, two things that this episode did for me, okay? Whenever I would watch, like my rewatch, I'm very, I'm a completionist. So like, I'll watch episode one and all, you know, everything, episode two, then the Clone Wars. And whenever I would go from Clone Wars to episode three,

it was so hard for me to reconcile that it's the same actor. Because you fall in love with Matt Lancer's portray. And then you get Hayden and Chris in and it's a little different and whatnot. This like merged it so well for me. And also I used to have such a trouble watching the original trilogy after episode three because I'd be like, how do I see Hayden in there? I'm trying to like find similarities. Like that's just the product of growing up before you knew him and now after you know him.

But this with like the shoulder plates and he's standing like over her. Like, that is, that is, like, and the Obi-1 show did a good job of that, too, and you finally see what he looks like under it in live action. But this did a good job for me of reconciling the fact that Hayden is Anakin, Hayden is Vader. And I'm just so stoked about that. Not that he didn't, he wasn't before, but for me personally, just to admit, it was very hard for me to sometimes see that the animated Anakin was the same as the live-action Anakin. But he did it here, and you're right. We flash to Vader, and we get into this next portion, man. Yeah, what about that return to the Jedi line that we kind of forgot about the two in the beginning where he, where she says to him, I will, I will not fight you or I don't, I'm not going to fight you. He's like, I've heard that before.

Yeah, great. Great. You know, at first I thought he was also referencing like, because she kind of says that during the twilight of the apprentice and rebels on Malacore. So I was like, oh, maybe she's mentioning that. But no, I do believe after the second viewing is definitely their referencing. Luke, right? Yeah, and that's just great. And I'll say this because I don't want to forget it. We've seen now all of our dream matchups. We've seen the Obi-1 versus Anakin round two, you know, in the Obi-1 show or Obi-1 versus Vader.

Now we've seen live-action Osco with Anakin. The one last thing, I hope we see it, is I want to see Luke interact with a Force Ghost Anakin at some point. Somewhere, right? Father and son, we got to see it. Apparently, it was very close to having Anakin instead of Yoda in the Last Jedi. but he showed that he felt that Luke had a stronger connection with Yoda, which makes sense, right?

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Here's the next one. This is the, this is the, as we get through. And now, did you get Empire vibes when they were looking for Luke? You know, in the beginning of Empire when they're looking for Luke? When she's in the ship, low, low angle? They're looking for Asoka and they're kind of scanning the whole area. And they've got, you know, the x wings are scanning you can't find it and and and then finally they they get really low the ghost

gets really low and they i was nervous though because i'm like out of all the mandolarians and the shows that we've seen and how many monsters are underneath that sea you never know it's Jurassic park under it's Jurassic world under there but yeah i like that and you got to talk about uh too uh i think that she at hera asks how aniken was uh training and yeah he was intense like yeah that was funny that was a good segue speaking segue was a good segue into it and then but she's also talking in that whole conversation we find out that she didn't get any approval we knew it already she didn't need any approval from the send and they're going to be coming after and who yang's like oh okay and then i guess that's that's what it is um but she says that they're out there's kind of chasing ghosts

and and i love who yank's like you know this is why people like you this is why because you do things like this and it's it's again another nice moment between the two of them showing a little bit more about who yang and she's trying to figure out where the hell are they like they don't people don't just vanish into thin air and it's like well you probably never seen last Jedi but well that's the thing well that's the thing too like if she underwater like the scanners would have picked her up or she physically in the world between worlds and it's not in her head like you know scanners would pick her up unless it's some crazy thing where she was in that nether world right or whatever you want call it yeah um so and then you know we get this is when they tell it go lower to the ground choppers

kind of picking something something up and they try to go through and then we jump back to now it's the siege of mandolore now when she's a little older now but when when was the siege of mandolour because they it was after she after they split split up when was that timeline wise do you remember shout out to frank janish fellow scoundrels ink he did a super cut of episode three and it's like four hours long. And I would even watch it when I was training for Shmodown. I didn't care. I wanted the full story.

And so when he lived with me briefly during the pandemic, we sat down and we figured out how you would intercut it. And so he did it in episode three. We did episode three like intercut with the Seeds of Mandelor and all those final Clone Wars episodes. So like it's happening concurrent with with episode three, all of that. And you notice the help the troopers have the painted orange, which is when he, when he gets, you know,

she has the lone gruburn. green saver in the first flashback. And in this one, she has the two. And because Anakin had given it to her on the bridge of the starship before she showed the members of 501 wearing the orange painted like helmets. So that's T.J. Mandler, that's happening concurrently with episode three. And I mean, talk about, you could see a difference in her like abilities too. Like now she's just flipping around.

She's like some, I mean, you know, like, full out like Faloni just loves like a soapish, like showing how badass she was. And you see it right there in live action. It was glorious. It was great. And you see the Mandalorians kind of going down left and right. And then this is when we actually hear Rex and secure the perimeter. And now it's got like that Christmas Carol feel to it where Anakin walks over.

And he's like, I don't remember this battle. And she's like, we were, we were split up at this point. And he's like, it looks intense. And she's like, yeah, what? He was impressed by it. He was. He was. But this is the version of.

of Anakin though now as we're starting to see like again the balance of it this is where we start to see where he tells you look you're part he tells her he's like you're part of a legacy now and then you know and she's like i'm part of she taken into consideration what balin told her a part of death and destruction he's like no because uh then you know she because she says my only part of legacy is the that part of war and he's like you're more than that because i'm more than that she's like you are more than that but you're a lot more powerful than you know people realized you were and say that's what this is about and then all hell breaks loose yeah and i i like that he's like he almost is like dismissive of it he's like really you're gonna it's like yeah that's kind

of a big deal we're bearing the lead here anakin but she kind of turned your back on everyone but like she's not getting the lesson at that point and that's what then turns this lesson and he's like all right and because deep down anakin there's whatever version of this is whether it's in her head or is a force ghost or mortis or whatever he's rooting for asoka he wants to focus Remember, his choice, in the beginning, it's like, do you want to live or you want to die? And if she wants to live, she's going to have to pass these trials. And he never got to finish her training. That's why he's going to hear to train.

And if she doesn't finish training with him, she stays in the afterlife, right? But if she does, this is it. And like, Aniken's like, it almost is like really, like, because Anakin is now when you're connected to something now and you're like the part of the force and stuff, it's so minor of a thing of what he did. If you look at it and you zoom back up all of time, right? in his head. It's like, it's that little thing. Like, we're going to, you got to get past that. Because right now you need to live. You need to recapture that spirit of what made you such a great Jedi.

And now I'm going to have to do this. And it's funny. Brandon actually on Scoundrels mentioned this that it made me laugh. He was like, it's like, that's like, all right, I got to go sit thighs. I got to go bad, get the red saber. You think afterwards he hung up when he went back to Ghost Obi-1, Obi-1 was like, don't you think that was a little over the top? And Anakin's like, no, man.

Like, I needed to bring it out or I had to start whipping up the- He had to use the balance of the forest for sure. And I actually think that the red Sith eyes, way more effective than the yellow, less monstery, and the corruption behind it and the idea behind it. And he's got the saber now. And the style that Hayden Christensen now uses

is very reminiscent to that, you know, the battle between Obi-Wan and he's just using, and he even does that thing with his arm when he held Obi-Wan and pushed it through, she kind of gets through it and now he's coming just coming straight after and they're back on the bridge again and I love that they transition now and now it's Rosario Dawson who is now back and and he and he comes running at her at the bridge or running or just walking faster but

but then again that's still that that that Vader in the in the colon gear walking after and they had this they have this battle and it's not very long but it's long enough and she grabs and she's got and now she has a saber to his, to his neck, he's got the red eyes and he closes his eyes for a second, after she says, I choose to live. And his eyes go back to that kind of pure Anakin. It was just a really nice transition.

Yeah, there's hope for you yet, he says. He was proud of his student and like, oh man, goosebumps is talking about it. He got to finish that training he never did. And to prepare for the show, I had just watched the episode, The Wrong Jedi, where she leaves him.

And like, that broke Anakin. Like, he didn't get to, finish the training like i understand like when you take ownership of someone or not someone but you know what i mean like you care about their well-being and you want to do it and he was probably so proud of that moment and then at that point that's when he you know you don't want to see him go away and like i knew when they started doing that camera angle i'm like oh this is it this is this is this is the last we see of him at least for now but um yeah he he was proud of that and yeah he busted out all the stops you saw that sit-eyes and i like that you know that he kept his style from episode

three but like meanwhile osoka is such a badass like she kept getting better and better that I think it was never in doubt that she would be able to like at this point in lee anyway take on this force vision and I think aniken wanted her to and the test was are you going to kill me because it's just like in rises Skywalker if she strikes down palpatine she becomes every you know he gets doing terror you know it's that same thing but he chooses life

and she gets that mojo back and I'm sure you're about to talk about that so I'll let you go well yeah but she does she and you know, the water kind of sinks, overtakes her, he sends her back, whatever, again, can't wait for that gallery episode to get, for what I, what I do love is, I'm not going to pretend that I know everything, what the hell happened. We have our theories. I think I know it might be the world between worlds. It might not be.

It might be something completely. It might be anachin that brought her there to be able to choose to finish the training. We're going to get some definition when that gallery series comes out, so I can't wait for that. But then she goes back and there's like this born identity shot where she's floating on top of the water now. And, you know, she's, she gets recovered by, by, because she's got to, there's something, they've got to explain. Like how is she, how is she breathing under there unless she, like you said, her physical body was just taken between the world, which one world's placed back to where, where she was. And now she's able to do.

Because they, they find her, they get her out of the water. They recover her. and the last thing she says really before she passes out is anica yeah and i think that's brandon wayne is that his name who usually played brendon wayne yeah who plays uh denjaron under the mask uh that's cool that he got to get some more face time i i was worried he was blown up in the last episode that looks like he survived so that's cool yeah that he got to participate in that and yeah and then you know everybody's freaking out that you got to see a soap that without her headband i think it was really good makeup like it's like oh yeah like that's what you look like if you

don't have that headband it's true and i like that attention to detail yeah threw me off too in a good way i was like oh yeah and she's when she's passed out and then jason knows that they got her he can feel it he's got the sense and is this the moment i think i know not yet but there's that moment between jason and hugh yang which is one of the funniest moments in the in the show thus far but uh oh the july starship but the whole thing where he said i train with you no no you'll yeah can i train you no uh you know how to build lightsabers yeah you build me one no it's great yeah But here's it. And you know, the one thing that I think what works well with not having the headband

for Asoka is it ages or a little bit, which is a good thing. It ages are a bit. And like you can tell like that she's been, she's been at this for quite a while. Yeah. Yeah. And like I said, it's cool that she emerges and you're going to see a different Asoka from here on out. It's like before. And people have had near death experiences.

I knew someone, a teacher actually, that had a near death experience. And I remember him speaking of how before and after he just lived his life totally differently because he had this, you know, whatever it was, whether it's just the, whether you believe in it, or whether you just think it's your brain firing weird synapses because you're, you're running out of oxygen, whatever it is, people, it's before and after. And for Asoka, like, you just see that just springing her step a little bit. She's smiling more because she's kind of a downer, like the first half of the season. You're like, man, she's like, you know, where he's kind of sullen and like, I get it.

Like it's kind of like Obi-1 having to go through his trials and his show. And here you see her now. And like, you know, we're going to call her a soak of the white. I'm sure internet will be for good. But I always just like the joke and say, look, that's what was in the closet. That's what she's wearing. But I do like the symbolism that now. And it's a totally, you can just see it.

And I hope, and I like that she imbued that. Is that a word in booed? I don't know. I hope that she. In beds or whatever it is. I hope that she, I don't think I hope. I see it. She doesn't need the white outfit to see you could see that she's a different. She's changed by this experience. And you know,

Hu Yan kind of briefs her on everything going down. The fact that Harris here helped out with the squadron. Jason was the one. She's like, oh, Jason's here. It's like, yeah, with his mom and everybody else. And she's just, and now, like you said, she's at peace more. And she, there's less of that kind of, it's more like, okay, I'm, I'm all good. But she asked about Sabina, obviously. And that's when they have to like then locate where the hell Sabina. So they give her, they give Asoka that the, the map. And then they have this moment where they've got to figure this out. And it's a great, nice emotional moment with Assoca and Jason. And this is one of the things that I really liked about the show. Like as much as I would love to see in a full episode of

just a world between worlds and all the what if scenarios that could have happened and seeing all these things. The reason why I like this a lot is because the first episode dives into that type of stuff with the lesson to be taught, but the second half is all about furthering the plot, moving it forward, where are we going next? So, I mean, I saw a couple people online saying that it didn't further the plot. I'm like, what the hell are you talking about? It's like, that's all that's all that the second half was about was furthering the plot. Where the hell is Sabine?

Let's get there, the space whales, all that, the figuring out a little bit more with Jason and in his role in all of this and the stuff with the Senate and Mon Mothma on the, on the, talking to Hera. like saying, Ammon Motham will let me down this one. Yeah. Don't you remember where you came from? We just watched that half season,

when you were the one that was making the, like throwing dinner parties for specific underhanded reasons. Like you, you were part of that. How do you, you know, that's just time,

time jades you. And like, this show is doing, this whole Mandoverse is doing a really good job of showing that, uh, how annoying politics is, first of all. And how even after we,

we repeat our mistakes that the galaxy, hasn't learned by now this that like these idiot senators and they're like it's never going to happen like it is and we're going to find out later so like and they're all going to get roasted on hasnian prime anyway so they're going to they're going to pay for their sins but like it's it's crazy that the but you think that mon mothma that she let me down you just wanted to hear one line from her instead of you know when obi one says to anakin uh anikin's like why are you asking me of this And Obi-One's like, the council's asking you. You just want one slight line from mom saying, like, look, this isn't me.

I'm sorry, you know. It's more like pressure here. Right, right. But what I will say, this is what goes back to if anybody's wondering again about whether or not she was imagining all this, whatever. Jason, she has the conversation with Jason. He's like, I heard the saber. She's like, you heard that?

And he's like, yeah. So showing that he's pretty powerful. And this is the moment that Hu Yang has with Jason. about we build me a lightsaber no go off and and there you go so then she has this whole moment she's able to find out an exactly kind of pinpoint that that as that sabine is is gone uh so be al cacus is power too that's calcassus is uh she's able to hear those echoes of the force through touch and and movement and stuff which is really cool which is great and they and they were able to set that up and then that's when the mon mothma stuff happens they have this whole this whole

phone call that she's got about it. And then when they're trying to figure out how the hell to get there before we even had this call, Asoka looks up into the sky and the return of the space whales. Space whales. I was never a fan during rebels when it first happened, but I really did like how they utilized them and how they got Ezra and thrown out of there to explain their absence in their original trilogy. And you know what? The craziest thing, you know, the Mon Calamari Cruisers and all of that, I just realized, and I don't know if it's by design or not, like, you know, they look. look like space whales, like the ships, like the ship design. And I always, now my head canons is going to believe that they, you know,

that the legacy and the legend of these space faring whales is why some people like designed it, you know, like, oh, let's design it like the furtals. But yeah, that's really cool. And, you know, another great. And I think you're going to get there is, I mean, obviously she's going to talk to the space whales, right, the furtals. And, man, it is a callback to Tales of the Jedi. She was found as I foundling at knowing the force because she was about.

to die by that big creature and she put her on tails of jellies she put her hand on the nose and calm the creature down so of course like it would have been great if she threw a throwaway line and said you know uh you know this is my specialty you know whatever but like she hops on the ship and does the same thing and i just thought it was so cool even if they did a flash of like a little they'd have to hire another actors for us okay like a baby actors but showing that that's how she found her force in the first place i don't think i don't think they needed to i don't think the fact that we know that that happened you want to visit it but it's like a nice little easter It doesn't it's the fact that she's able to do these things and it also goes to show that now she has this whole kind of clarity

Of the way that this this this works and She's now in that in the kind of light side garb as you as you as you well the Gandalf stuff whatever might be But she just says there's no other way we got to figure this out we got to get to the space wells and we've done this before now This I don't remember because I haven't seen it, but she wasn't with them when this when when thronged took Ezra out with the or vice versa with the pergals at the end right where was she I don't yeah I I man I I can't remember to be honest I watched this show yeah she's not there though for sure during that last finale so but her trusting in that and like we got to see that live action is cool right um and the I love the reactions of all these other you know I I

man I question whether I wanted to mention it or not because Star Wars fans are fiercely protective. But I got like, it was such that last five minutes was so full of hope and so full of like that light side energy that it almost felt like, especially with her line of like, I, we could end up anywhere and she's like better than nowhere. Like that is a line that like Picard or like Kirk would say at the end of like a Star Trek episode, right? Like Star Trek was always prided itself on like it's all about hope and exploration. And this, and I'm not saying it's maybe it's because of the whales too and voyage home movie. But I just thought like it. It took some of the best parts of sci-fi that we like.

And this, it was like full of hope and she's in there and she's smiling. And she's like, oh, who knows? I love that she doesn't know. She's not sure, but she's not afraid. She's not fearless anymore because she went through that trial. And that is just such great storytelling. You know what I mean? Agreed.

Yeah, absolutely it is. And I think that that's all of this leading up to it and getting us to that point where, and you have another nice conversation as, well, they're seeing the space wells. They've seen them before. They've seen all the perg. The pergles look really great. by the way, in the kind of live action setting. But they're going through this.

They're in awe of it all. And then she knows that what she's got to do. She's got a smile on her face as she's doing it. She walks out. Thank God she's not doing space flips and stuff again, but she walks out and she sees all of them. And she knows what she's got to do. And we also get a great conversation between Jason and,

and Hera down the line about how the perigals have helped. It gives a little bit more information to those people in the past of how that went down with Ezra. And yeah, I thought it worked. And then obviously you have the whole entire fleet out there ready to cause some crap. And she's like, she tells Carson, don't let them come in here. And then there's another humorous moment where he just pretends he doesn't know who they are. hilarious.

Yeah, he's great. Forgive me, someone says even the line far, far away, right? Is that Carson who says it? Oh, really? Okay. I missed it. I know there was like an Easter egg about that. Maybe in the comments, you guys could remind me.

But yeah, that was great. Like, the moments of light. And, you know, it's good, too. They did a good job of, like, rewarding fans who watch the animated series. Some religiously, some more like me where I watched it like once or twice. So that's why I don't know every detail, right? But I've seen every piece of Star Wars media. And you get rewarded for that.

And then for the fans that haven't, they just go, they give you enough. They don't need to go into everything. Oh, this is Canaan Jaras who defended the ghost ship by, you know, starting the beast that The shield around the fire. Just enough, right? And just enough to get it. And like you said, I feel like Carson represents for us, for the laymans, like people like my wife, who just these little things like pieces there.

And I think it's cool that they were able to explain that thing with Jason and Hara right there, too. Great story. The only thing that I still have questions about is that if the last time we saw Carson before, or one of the last times we saw Carson before this show was in Mandelary in season three when he was hanging out with Zepp. So, where's Zeb? How come Zeb has an agent Callis, too? Are we going to have the guy from Game of Thrones play Callis?

Nicholas Cockler Waldo. That's what everybody wants. Everybody wants him to play. He'd be great to play. I don't think we need Seb, though. I think you're going to get in this new galaxy. They're going to be off in this new galaxy, and I hope we stay there. I think it would be cool, interesting storytelling advice.

I don't think they'll do it. I bet we keep going back to Hara. But like, you're so far away. Like the concept, like how big a galaxy is, you have to understand they are leaving all of that galaxy. They're leaving the unknown regions. They're leaving the outer rim. They are going to a completely different galaxy, which they could set up a completely different thing, which goes into a theory that maybe by the end of all of this super movie and stuff like that,

if you want to explain a way why the rebels aren't in the sequel trilogy, there could be a thing where maybe the whales only migrate like every 30 years. And so all of our group after the events of whatever movie gets stuck there again. and curiously enough, another 30 years would happen right around when Ray has her movie, and then you can bring everyone back to the fold, and that could be how you could save them from dying in the sequel trilogy. But yeah, I want to have next week, I hope when you're in another galaxy, even in the storytelling and editing sense,

it should be so far away that you don't intercut, because then it makes it feel closer if you're like cutting the Corrassan, cutting back here. Like, I hope we're there until we get back. I agree. And just the other thing on the Zeb thing, though, wouldn't you, if you're Zeb, wouldn't you be pissed off though if they're like hey we decided that me and sabine and hera

we're going to go look for ezra but we didn't let you know yeah and i'm trying to think like he's close to yeah yeah maybe maybe we don't know maybe they had a falling out or maybe he was like you got to move old you got to get move old that's my bad come on come on kid but you got to see that at the end of at the end of uh i mean because he's he's drinking at the bar with carson so He's not often and running around just hanging out with callus. He's back. So it's like, why wouldn't you bring him on the mission or at least tell him about it? Yeah.

I mean, I think it's good to keep it a little central. I know some concerns have been like, this isn't Asoka. This is Rebel season eight or whatever or whatever, season five or whatever. So I think that in some respects keeping the crew a little smaller is fine. And look, you have it for next season if you know, bring it back. Yeah, that's true. But all right. So then Carson can only stall.

It's true. I'm right on everything I say. False. Carson basically is, he can only stall for so long. I mean, back to the space, whales. And she jumps up. She's able to find out that she needs, that she communicates with the thing. And it reminded me of the scene in Avatar too, you know, when they're able to communicate with the posting. So they go in and then Hu Yang trusts Asoka, but he's still scared about it.

Let's get in this thing's mouth. And at first, I'm like, hey, what about Hera? And then her is not taking Jason out there. Good move. It's a good move because I was like, okay, you know what's going to happen? And she's going to go and then Thron's going to try to manipulate this kid. And then it's going to be a bad, bad thing. Smart move.

He's not ready to travel in between galaxies. Good calm. She didn't even been with her on that other thing. You need to send him to daycare. Kira's not with me right now. I'm doing this show. He needed to go to daycare. I get it, though, for the story purposes.

And like you said, he could have been annoying. And he's not. Like, I think the kid's great. And, but I'm glad that they're not going on this next part. This next part needs to start feeling more personal. And we need to really get into, you know, Sabine, Ezra and Fron. And like, man, God, I'm just so excited to see where they go. We've only seen now, like, two more shots from the trailer.

So, like, we are large, I love that they are forcing fans to find, me included. I watch everything, every trailer, everything. We have no idea where this is going. We have two shots left. Like, that is so fun. It's a lot on and then you have, well, and the question I also have is that, you know, we've got this moment where Mon Mothma says you need Asoka back here to basically say, hey, this has been going down and maybe they won't pull your rank if they're,

if she's able to speak for you. Now, Osok is gone. However, because the pergals are coming out and doing this thing, the, the, the, um, what was it, the, I guess the admiral captain. the captain sees the whales coming in. So she can report that she saw these space whales zip off into light speed, and that's where Osokitano is.

So maybe actually talking about some kind of evidence that something happened, but I still think Ezra is going to be in front of the hearing, or if you will. And I do think they're going to jump back and forth, though. I see your point, but I still think they are going to jump back and forth because otherwise you'd have to cut Mary Elizabeth Winston out of the show and they're not going to do that. Yeah, and she's fantastic as Hera, by the way. But I never want to take food off anyone's plate. But I feel like Harrah should be like, with all due respect, I don't want a part of this new republic.

And she should, she should resign. And that, I mean, I think, I feel like that, they let her down. Like, I mean, constant letdowns, man. Like, you know, we've all been in parts like work and stuff like that where you're just so let down by people making decisions. And so I wouldn't blame her. Look, if she stays, that's great. Because sometimes you stay for the greater good of helping people, and she just has to deal with this nonsense. But I wouldn't blame her if she just says pieces out, you know, because this is just, it's going to get more and more corrupt. These idiots just can't prevent history from repeating itself. Right.

Well, you get the moment at the very end, which is, again, very empire where she's like, I'm going to bring them back. I promise. She's like, it was great. It was great. And then she. Remember, and now remember, she was two, just an episode ago. saying, are you going to be prepared to do the right thing? The right thing is to destroy this map.

And even if that means not bringing Ezra back, but that experience with Anakin, she's now full circle. She's saying, I will bring her back. I bring them back. I promise because she's back to that full light. She's trusting in the force. She's trusting in now her abilities. And she's going to fully embrace that.

And again, I get goosebumps just talking about it when I see these overthings. And think about it. Asoka was trained by the greatest Jedi of all time. And now she's going back. She wants to rescue her Padoin, who Hwey himself said, it is the weakest Jedi of all time. And I love that dichotomy that she, or I don't even ask the right word, whatever. I love that she, that Sabine is going to be part of this legacy line now. You know, Obi-1, or Quigon, to Obi-1, to Anacin, to Anacin, to Asoka, and now to Sabine.

And to see where that goes, I wasn't a fan of everybody all of it. Two things I wasn't a fan of early on. Oh, all of a sudden, everybody can use the force and tell, look, I'm always one, we'll admit, when I'm wrong. When I saw George Lucas himself, in a quote, say that everyone could have the force, I turn, I find. I'm still not going to get over the fact that the saber stabs are now, anybody can get stabbed. No, a saber goes in you, your blood boils, it pops out of your eyeballs. It would be much more gruesome than you think, but I get it. But yeah, so, but this one, I'm turning around on it, and I really am now excited and I love that pairing that Sabine is

part of this huge legacy of overly powerful, almost too powerful, and then these great Jedi and to see where she goes moving beyond this episode. I don't want to see her ever use the force, though. I know we're going to, but I don't want to, I want it to almost be like a, what's his, Donnie Yen from Rogue One. Yeah, cool. I love that.

She could be in tune. Much rather that be the case than actually becoming a Jedi. I don't think it's necessary. I liked where she was, she's already a badass warrior without it. I would love to see if she's just able to kind of, she realizes it's there. not everybody can access it,

even though everybody has it, not everybody can access it. And it's like, look, I just never figured that part of it out, but I know that it's around and I know I can kind of figure some things out in the same way that Donnie ended. I love that. I had no thoughts. Great idea. That's great. That would be perfect. But I don't know if they're going to do that.

I think that they're going to probably go to the fact she's going to have some kind of battle. The last scene of the series will be her. It'll be like Magneto at the end of X-Men, the last stand, like with the chess piece. like finally moving it. Maybe I'd like to see, I'd like to see someone get taken out

because, you know, you're going to put some kind of tragedy on the movie in general and some kind of threat because Thanos was pretty devastating in what, and the amount of chaos that he caused. Thrawn's got to cause some kind of chaos because right now,

non, or excuse me, casual fans are like, okay, well, they're building this guy. Why is he such a badass? Because he's blue. Here's how you're going to find out, my friend. Here's my theory and prediction. First of all, I believe that someone will not come back. I'm pretty sure it's going to be our favorite droid.

I think my buddy, yeah, my buddy Joey, who has a YouTube channel called Paduan Collector. He's all about Star Wars Collectors. He's a great guy. Went to school with him. He told me this theory, and it's like heartbreaking. It's like, yeah, K2SO dies. Disney loves doing it, IG11, and that this is going to be the next one. It's like he will be the one that either maybe has to stay in the galaxy in order for everybody else

to go back home or whatever, but I feel like you're asking for a sacrifice. And also, I do think that maybe that Republic Fleet might, like, maybe Herr convinces them to go. Like when Thron comes back, I think he's going to decimate those ships. Like that captain we saw, she's not living. I think that it's going to end drier. We got to end with this overall, like, holy crap, he's back. And I'm pretty sure that's going to involve those capital ships getting blown up.

And I think that we have to see, like you said, Thron is, Thron needs to show. that he's so great strategically, just like in the original books and his new books, and I think him overcoming the odds, being outnumbered with like a lesser fleet, whether it's like a couple ships, and then the eclipse are what's called, the ring ship.

I think he's going to do something to where he's going to cause devastating losses for the public, and then imagine the guilt that Sabine will have, knowing that she's responsible, yes, she's going to bring Ezra back, but she's going to have that guilt moving into the Faloni movie or season two, whatever it is, if like look at all of the, I'm the reason why this, this person's dead or this person's dead.

And that's going to be on, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, soka to get on about like, lab it, you need to keep moving forward like Anakin taught her in her her flashbacks. Well, I don't think that the fleet's going to be able to get there into the other galaxy. No, no, when they come back. I'm saying, Thron comes back and they'll be there at Cito. Right. And then do you believe us now? Morons? Right. Yes. Yes. That's what it's going to be more or less. this because if you get that set up to the heir to the empire as they've talked about and and they're going to put out this next big war why not the question is though is there a way and people have rumored this and i know it caused a lot of stink and i don't think in a million

years it will happen but um in a world in the world between worlds or something along those lines where a shift in time where the events of seven eight nine and all that stuff happened in a separate kind of verse and this is a different timeline. That to me would be easier to do, not just because whether you like the movies or not, it's easier to do where you don't have to start explaining where everybody is and you can start putting things that way. And I bet you, if you never get him to say it, but I bet you if you ask Falunia, don't you wish 7, 8, 9 didn't exist?

I bet you, he would say. Do you think? Wow. I bet you. I bet you. He's got, because he has the ability now to set up so much more. going forward but he's hindered he's hindered once we get to like another 20 30 year spot you're hindered because once you get to you got to do the first order now and then you got to

do another you got to star killer base and you have to do all this stuff and it's like you got to he's he's already had to set towards the palpating clones and all that so it's think about you're talking there are people that like the sequel to you're right and like you're right like it has its detractors but like imagine the feloni flex if it was real clone wars and Anakin that got sucked in the world between worlds and an Asoka, like, stopped him from doing Order 66, and then they rebooted everything. Then you'd have a new series with good light side, Anakin, no original trilogy, and you just bunch, venture off that way.

Like, people would lose their mind. So I don't think they don't want to alienate. No, but it would be a way to do, what I will say is this. There was rumors that Star Wars was going to do a what if series, right? I love that. You know, everybody thought about it automatically, especially with Flonis past, that animated would be the way to go. But what if they did a what if

like this? What if they did a what if series? It would be way more expensive, obviously. But what if they did a what if series with the same way that they did it for this with as you were mentioned before with the type of Anakin, Obi-Wan and Asoka together or

whatever it might be. A couple of what-if storylines. People would lose their minds in those types of things, but there's just so much that they're working on already that it's purely speculation, smash, purely speculation yeah well i i definitely uh really enjoyed that episode and i was so happy for for hayden uh and everyone and i it's just a great time to be a star wars fan uh whether you like these movies or or the shows or you like disney it's like i i like it all and i'm not toxic about it you can not

like things and i totally understand why i've always been that way we all have our own i mean coming from editing like everything's subjective like i turn in my cut someone might not like a cue or a music cue that i use and i got to change it i like it i like it but it's not, I got to get it past QR or whatever, you know, so. Well, look, we did it, Smash. We talked about this episode. It was a longer episode, but it was a necessary longer. This was a lot of fun.

You can be seen in a lot of different places talking about this episode. Where can you be found? Well, before I get to that, I will want to say this. You have merch still, right? You sell merch. So I do these shows. Look, I'm on two. I'm a Star Wars floozy right now.

I'm on a bunch of shows this week talking about this episode. But I wanted to come on here also because I am a cancer survivor. I'm in remission. I had a couple scares. But I am now continued to be in remission. When I got checked, I was 42 years old. And that's the age that Chadwick Bozeman was when he got. I think he was 41.

And it didn't go, obviously, I'm in remission and it was a different outcome for him. But I just want to remind everyone, if you have any symptoms or anything, I had colon cancer, if you have any symptoms in the bathroom, if you ever worried about anything without getting in too many details, don't hesitate, message me, tweet me, whatever. you need to do. And if you have any thoughts about it, I would say, right, I would say, I know they say 45 is the year to get your colonoscopy. Well, I did that at 40. If I did that at 45, I wouldn't be here today. If I waited, I would be dead right now. So anybody who gets a colonoscopy between now and the end of the year, take a picture of you. I don't want a picture of your colon. Just the picture of you

on your hospital bed or whatever saying, I'm going to get a colonoscopy. Tag myself, tag Christian. I'll buy you your choice of merch at his store. That's true. I mean, I know you're getting almost 100,000 followers now. So I might go broke doing this. But it's just for me, I want to make sure people get out there. So you go out there, you get your colonoscopy. If you have any symptoms, if your doctor doesn't want to give you a colonoscopy, even just lie and say you have symptoms. They can't say no to you then. Or say that you have history of family. Just get your literal butt in there and get that oncology. But yeah, you could find me on Scoundrels Inc. You could find me on the Jedi Way with John Roker and Laura Kelly and Scoundals, Inc. with Frank and Brandon and sometimes Sean.

And yeah, they're two different type of Star Wars shows, obviously, and I love being on both. They've been very supportive of me, too. I've been going through these cancer things. And obviously, I love coming on this show, and I love the Sith Council fans. I love Christian. And, yeah, and then also my Reven stuff, my Cotor Trilogy stuff. If you just search Cotor Trilogy on YouTube or if you type in Revintriloogy.com, they'll send you there. I actually finally did a combined all of my movies in one video, including the Mandalorian's prequel, because I just wanted it out there.

it would be easy for one person to watch. It's like seven hours. We did a live premiere last week. It's already over like 7,000 or 8,000 views like in a couple days, which, look, it's not viral by any means, but for something that came out in 2003 and I'm making movies about it and it still gets those kind of numbers, I'm happy with it. So yeah, but yeah, to your SIP council fans, anyone who gets a colonoscopy, tweet at me. I don't want pictures of your colon. I don't need any of that. Just send me a picture you on the hospital bed, thumbs up and send it to me, Christian, and I'll buy you a merch of your choice on the store. kind of Kevin Smets and I will say that outro was longer than this episode. But it was a nice outro and a very generous outro. So Kevin Smetz, ladies and gentlemen, for the Sith Council, for a big thing, thank you for joining us here today on the show. Make sure that you subscribe to the channel. If you have not done that already, as Kevin mentioned, we are rapidly approaching 100,000 and we need you guys to do it.

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