The Kristian Harloff Show - AHSOKA Episode 8 Finale SPOILER REVIEW!

Episode Date: October 5, 2023

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It's the spoiler discussion for Asoka Episode 8. It's the finale, ladies and gentlemen. So what did we think? Well, if you saw my out of the theater, I won't immediate reaction. You knew I didn't like it. I didn't like it. But I liked the season. So I can't wait to discuss.

I don't know, I have both Frank Janish and I have Frankie numbers, he's the same person, and Kevin, Kevin Smets. I've got them on the show. Scalger's Inc., ladies and gentlemen, I'm in the minority. So I've got them on the show. I don't know what they think about the episode. I have no idea. I went to see The Exorcist. And then I was like, I can't see Asoki yet. So basically I wanted to see both these guys were available and I'm shooting this at night and I'm going to have it come out tomorrow. So that's what we're doing it. We're just to do a full discussion. Brand new to the channel. You've never been here before. We need you to show just a little bit of class.

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Gentlemen, I have not spoken to you about this at all. I don't know. I'm going to start because this is the way that I look at you guys as far as opinion wants. I like to talk to both you guys about Star Wars all the time. But it seems and what I like about the way Frank approaches Star Wars is that he does fall and hear me out. He does fall in the Everything is Awesome crew from time to time.

But he doesn't give you crap if you don't like something. He goes, all right, yeah, I see what you're saying. And he goes back and forth. So I'm going to guess that Frank Janish loved this episode. Now, Kevin Smets can be a little bit more critical. I feel that Kevin felt more on the range that I did, but I could be wrong. I'll start with Frank Janish. Am I right?

Did you love this episode? Love is a strong word. It's a strong word. It's close to, I'll tell you, it's close to love. I liked it a whole, a whole lot, a whole lot. There's a lot of good stuff in here that I liked. And I had some interesting questions about some other stuff. When we get into the episode, we'll talk about that stuff.

But I liked it a whole lot. I didn't love it, love it, love it, but I liked it a lot. I don't know if Mike's going to count that towards me, liking, loving every episode as the next best thing. But we'll see. Cameras great. Camera's great. The camera's great. And I can't wait to hear the microphone. Why don't you just go outside and scream from the balcony?

It's probably better than whatever you're working with. You can't even. You guys have no idea. Before I looked at Frank Janice's camera, look at Frank. That's setup that Frank's got. And in comes 1973. It just, it looks, I mean,

it looks like someone just hit his camera with a hammer. For those people, I know it's so bad. He can't even, trying so hard to make it work. You know what it is? Yeah. I think it's the lights in his background that are affecting his focus on his, this is a nightmare.

He can't even compose himself. Frank Janish, Frank Janish, when I turned on the thing, I said, you know what? Frank has just changed my entire attitude toward streaming because it could look good.

And then Kevin Smetz went right back to why I hated. So I don't know. Hold on a second. Yeah. There we go. Okay. Great. I was just about to say how I got camera shamed.

right before we went on the air and now I can't unsee it and then I was more entertained in the last five minutes than I was on the show tonight so yeah so you didn't like it either no look I didn't I was gonna I was trying to look up a tweet

because Frank's like oh I didn't love it love it but his tweet was like warlocks and witches and what else does this you loved it bro you love it it was the title of the episode yeah It was the title of the episode. I will say this.

I watched it with my wife. My wife loved it. She's in love with Rosario Dawson's back muscles. So she was in joy. But I, yeah, I thought, I'm just like you, Christian. I'm so glad I didn't text you guys. I almost texted you guys mid show like, eh. But I didn't.

So you're right on the money, though. I like the series overall. The finale, like I, immediately afterwards. we watched some of the Canobi finale. And as much as the tractors have for the Canobi show or whatever, and I still like our movie version better, I thought the Canobi finale was great,

aside from the whole returning for Luke stuff. And I didn't think it didn't stick the landing. I just thought like there. Well, it lacked emotion. It lacked emotion. Yeah. Where even though I'm not a big fan of the Canobi series, and I like this series better than the Canobi series overall,

the Canobe finale, you're right, Kevin. And the Canobi finale, to me, had way more emotion and emotional stake. And they set it up to her at least, you know, by the time we get to the end of it, like I felt it. And I felt those moments that they had. You know, I showed Josh, I showed Dasha the scene again where Obi-One sits. And because you see that ending and I'm sure we'll get to it with the Asoka, where you see Anakin like looking on and stuff.

And it's like everybody's moving on and stuff. And Obi-1, the end of that series, when he leans down and tells little Leah, the traits that he got from his mother and then says how your father, was fearless and forthright, and these are the transit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? And he says both were exceptional people.

Like, that's like that kind of emotion that the scene was lacking. And I'm sorry, dude, you didn't have Chewy hug Leia after Han died. How do you not show Hera hug Ezra? Well, I mean, she did get, that part of it actually, I'll say there were,

Frank, there was a lot that actually did work for me in this episode. And I'll tell you the stuff that did work. I love the stuff with Hu Yang. And Ezra, building the saber, telling him about Canaan, all those moments, I thought, worked really well. Even though I really wished that Sabine wouldn't have used the force at all, because I thought they should have used more so. I literally thought of you when that happened, but it was watching. The Chiried Mway thing would have made more sense to me that she just, she felt the force, but she couldn't, she didn't have to use it. But I thought they used it creatively enough that it worked, right?

I thought that the moment, I actually did like the moment with Hera when he came out and he went back. But there was a lot, this was to me, the most, the poorly written, it was the worst written episode so far

because a lot of it made ridiculous sense. Like she's trying to figure out how to use the force for the whole thing. She finally uses it. She gets the table and then Ezra trusts her to throw him across the thing after she just figured out how to do it. That's part one.

I don't trust you as far as I, can throw you like yeah that's part was they set that up in the beginning of the episode when a so i guess talking to sabina about trust i know while and while i it's a little interesting how they get there by the end of the episode short uh i'll tell you what though i did i didn't have a problem with her grabbing the saber in that moment when she did it was it was that i like where i'm a little bit of like hmm is is the push and i'm like right right that to me was a little bit of a bridge too far, but she just figured out how to do it. Not two minutes earlier.

She just figured out how to do it. That and then the other thing was my biggest problem, I think that I was the most disappointed with, as I've been saying leading up to it, which probably would have changed the whole episode for me is the threats were not, weren't threats. Like they, it's like, Thrawn's like, blast them all. There's two wolf rats, two.

And they're on top of them, like here. And they're shooting down and they hit nothing. And then he's like, oh. Oh, we missed. Well, I mean, what are you going to do? Let them walk in Scott Free. We got to have something going on. No, but I mean, well, they did walk in Scott Free.

They did. Well, I mean, you know what I mean? Like not doing like throwing, like throwing, but it's going to let them just walk in without any fire on them at all. But you, but you make it. It's like, it's like a heel that hit in wrestling that hits his finishing move. And then some average guy just kicks out of it. It's just not threatening anymore.

It's like, don't do the finisher. Don't do the finisher. Don't do the finish. You do something else. send someone else to do something because and again every time when they set it up and it goes back a couple more episodes where they went back like when they first oh it sabine and thron tell sabine your buddy might be dead because there's some real threats out there and he's these loser bandits that did nothing they weren't scary and then you set up these stormtroopers the first time you see him and they're devastating they're just as worse

as the other ones they're dead and and there's nobody there were no threats and thron didn't win he just escaped like a criminal. That's all he did. Yeah. My thing about Thron, and that was a thing, he's supposed to be like just the most insane, clever technology. Right. Really scary. And if you're setting him up to be the big bad, and it's almost parody

where it's like, oh, we like last episode, well, Baylon took off and we lost the battle, but I think we won the day. And then today, like, oh, we lost two tie fighters, but we have them right where we want them. Like, he's constantly like... I mean, if you don't like the running theme of him being

foiled by a Jedi every step of the way. Yeah, I mean, it's his classic, it's his, that's the one thing that's always tripping him up is. I know, but, but, but, I understand. Frank, they're trying to set him up to be Thanos to, you got to remember, so you and me and Kevin, we've seen him get foiled by

Jedi in the past, but you're setting them up to a new audience that he needs to be terrifying if he's going to be the big bad in Faloni's movie and the rest of the series. Right now, because they've even said it, like people have said, he's like the Thanos of it.

but he does not play like Thanos. He plays like a guy that just kind of, we made it. You know, it's like they escaped. There was no, he wasn't scary. Maybe the concept of a military tactician being so unbelievably skilled at that.

Like, I mean, I, you know, I always got to get my Cotor reference in it. But Revin was known as one of the most brilliant military strategists ever. And you see that in the novel and in the, not the MMO,

but in the storytelling of what Cria says about her in Cotor 2 and what Mandelaar, what Canderas says. Like you don't see that technique. And I'm not trying to, we always say like, oh, I'm not trying to write fan fiction. But if he would, remember, I think I told you, Christian, my prediction was they, the last scenes were going to be him coming back with just, just one Star Destroyer, being outflanked by an entire Republic cruiser.

And then you'd see him do some crazy maneuver, you know what I mean? Like the, yeah, they spent too much time on this planet. They spent wait. I thought they were going to be, I thought they were going to be, I thought they were going to get the hell out of there. And I thought they were going to, I mean, they spent so much time on this planet with the, and the freaking turtle people are still running around the joint my daughter likes the turtle of course i don't mind them either but they're iwarks they're porgs they're just they they they're

they they're star wars they fit they fit they fit they but they just but they spent so much time on that planet like if this was episode seven i'd be like okay okay this is this is a this is a good episode seven balin and shin are in it for five seconds we've spent so much time with them i was surprised about the i was surprised about their screen time in this episode because as the episode kept going. I'm like, man, we haven't even touched on what they're up to. And that's when I was like, well, this is clearly, you know, setting up for something for a season two or the movie, but it seems more like a season two, even though they haven't said anything about a season two. It's hard to imagine there won't be. So they were wanted to see. They wanted to see how the show was going to do. They were going to see what the fan reaction was going to be. And it does seem like a lot of people like the finale. So I'm glad. I'm glad that people like the finale. From what I've seen, I've seen, I put my out of the theater reaction up and people are like, oh, I'm surprised you didn't like it. I really enjoyed it. I really enjoyed it. I it and and and this is coming from someone who really enjoyed last episode and a lot of people didn't so i just might be off of what they're looking for i thought of course the moment with anakin was cool of course the moment was cool but it's like again same thing he's the force ghost he's

there i guess forced ghost can travel anywhere which makes sense um but it's also what why why are you peering down the hill if you can do it just appear there and go hey guys i'm going to help you what cinematic i know i know i know i'm glad that twitter liked it because just because it didn't land 100% for me. If Twitter hated it, then it would be, or if the internet hated it, it would be an annoying place to be for the next week or the next several months, right?

So I hope that everybody liked it. It just, my wife loved it. Look, I liked it just, uh, the series as a whole I liked, um,

but it did not dethrone obi one for me. Obi-one remains in that number one. And that's just really? No, Obi-one's your number one show. Yeah. I mean, oh wow.

Well, and well, it's hard. I don't know that. It's just deep. You know what it is? Obi-1 is like that... Wow. Listen.

I can't. Oh, wow. I thought it's camera crapped out. You know, you have that friend from, like, college or whatever that's always, like, hitting you up later and they're struggling and you, like, feel bad for them. So that's like Obi-1 to me, right? I understand that Andor is the better, more responsible, cool friend. Not Mandalorian season one or two?

Oh, I do like season two of Mandalorian. But, yeah, I think that it. and or and obi one are up there. Obi-1 is just that like the tart strings for me. Plus our movie version is actually really good. Your movie version is much better. But anyway, so yeah, the Baylon and Shin stuff, but if you talk about that, like,

there's only two options now, obviously. It's recast or just say Baylon lives on this planet now, and we haven't seen him. We don't know where he is anymore. They can do both, yeah, either. You could. You could do both, but it's kind of like you've set him up, And you didn't, you've set him up to be such a great, he was, he was arguably the best character

on the show. I think he was developed way better than Thron was. I think, I think he was scarier than Thron was because he had, because he was so much to him. And then at the end, he's just kind of like looking off in the distance and kind of finding his, yeah, he's finding his path. But like, if you set up a season two, it's Baylon and Shin that are on that planet with them. and I didn't know what Shin was doing at first. I got nervous because when she showed up at first with the bandits and she does this,

I was like, oh, no, is she going to turn good. The Knights of Shin is what she's got going on. He's because it's nice to shin. And so that's okay. I mean, they're pretty worthless too, so I don't know how much of a threat that is. It's like nobody was, just the villains, and I said this, I still think this, like Shin and both Shin and Baylon are both to me. The best Star Wars villains we've gotten in a while and they were silent.

crazy i think that's just a long game and like obviously no one expected ray to pass away and i think that yeah they had bigger things in store for them but and i hate to by the way i hate to like i'm comparing things but like i showed dasha the trailer for andor because i think she wants to watch that next yeah yeah and there are scenes in and or that just remind you that when you heard the were of the tie fighter and they kind of did it a little in this episode yeah they did they did but um when you hear the were of the tie fighter in and door it's such a scare they're They make it so scary. The empire felt so overwhelming and scary.

And that's what was lacking in this Asoka series. They feel goofy. They feel goofy again. Yeah. Yeah, they felt goofy. It felt a little, it felt a little animated. And it felt a bit goofy. And they didn't, like, when they showed up in that episode with Thrawn, they were scary.

And gold dust did nothing. He did nothing. And I was like, oh, what, what's this guy going to do? He sounds cool. He looks cool. they didn't do anything. I mean, I was kind of expecting that. I mean, he's kind of Thron's, you know,

Knights of the Guard, Guard Watch, whatever, you know, and, you know, I didn't really expect to see him get into any harms away, if you will, because that's Throne's right-hand man for the most part. And so I didn't think he was ever going to send him out there because he, Thron, you know, he does fear the Jedi because he can't figure them out, even if it's, and they talked about Anakin Skywalker's Apprentice, I mean, that's a win for the book fans right there.

I mean, sure. But I think that's also setting up the fact how much he is cautious of a soap. And he says as much in the episode that you can't be negotiated with. So I'm going to try whatever. And yet, and actually this whole episode with Lars Miflinson's acting of Thron, every time something was happening, you could just, his face acting was like through the roof. He had so many ticks and twitches of his face of any little thing that happened that, you know, he couldn't, you know, destroy them on their, on their hollers when they're running towards the, uh, catacomb

thing. And he didn't, you know, successfully wipe them out last episode when bailing bailed. And so, it's really, it was really kind of, you're right that I don't think they really nailed the, the evil villain status because he was always being usurped by Asoka and Sabina and Azra at every turn almost, even though they did fail ultimately. So yeah, it's, here's an interesting way to like paint Thron but it's how do you think Vader and Empire Strikes Back would have handled Thron after the third or fourth time he failed he would have choked Thrawn out he would have gone away of all the other guys

well that's I mean that's a good point though too look Vader is there's Vader right but like when you but when you're trying to when you're trying to set up this guy as the big bad he just doesn't I love Thrawn I mean you you got to understand something like thron to me i've i've been waiting for thron for a long time i

i i freaked out when he was in rebels and everything too and when he's coming in a live action i love i think lars mickleson plays him great i just wanted like what they should have maybe could what they could have done was instead of turtle people or maybe with turtle people they introduce you to some new characters that you get attached to throughout it and then you kill them off at the end because then at least something happens to where they they do something there's some kind of You want to cash the Morgan Elizabeth? Come on. But she was bad guy. I know. Yeah, yeah. And plus you knew she was going to die. The second she picked up that sword, I was like, oh, well, she's dead because they needed something it was going to happen. And then like, and Rick Famuia is such a good director. I didn't think that the sword fights were that great between the two of them. They looked they looked clunky. There was, there was a couple of moments that looked fantastic. There were a couple of times like the way that when they were fighting and Morgan more so to me, honestly,

looked more the pro and the way that they shot there were a couple times it looked like a straight up old school martial arts fight yeah but there was sometimes when we were shot that it looked a little clunky like with like slow motion and it looked like well the non saber duels too that the i thought the action with like the walking dead part was kind of cool but like the action where they're all standing there i thought there was like man i do sound negative about this i thought there was too many wide shots of them just like deflecting and stuff like that like i thought that they could, and again, I know I keep, because I was showing Dasha like little

parts, that first scene with Asoka and the Manorian season two in the fog and stuff like that, it's like such good action, right? And like they're on the ship and I get it, there's three and they have to fight all these like zombie people, but it didn't feel like they were that creative in the visual

storytelling of that part. I did think the duel was a little, I like the duel probably more than you did Christian, but I did think... There's a couple of great parts. There's a couple of great parts, but there was just a couple times if you watch it back it looked like there was a couple times when it's like and I was like oh man it's how was that again do that again?

But no but and the zombie part of it I mean look we all knew that that was going to happen from the way that they set up like Merrick right? We knew that that was kind of the idea but again the problem was when I was watching the reaction of it is that okay so they shoot

dead they take out these stormtroopers with no problem when they first come in before they come back from the dead again so like when they pop back up i'm like okay they're just gonna kill them again now and they they didn't it's like they never there was just never i was never scared it just felt it it did feel like a rebels episode yeah i'm curious about whether or not they had i mean they obviously had to have a decision or talked about how creepy they want to go with it and they made a decision not to go that because obviously the material's there to do that and things have been done that yeah

Imagine when the light is shut down and then it's in the pitch darkness and they're coming in the shadows. I'm not just talking about the look of it though, guys. I'm talking about more so like there's no, like the three of them would, did you ever, did you ever fear for any of them that they could, that they would be hurt or anything? Did you ever feel like anybody was going to be hurt? Did you ever fear? And I was like, haven't they watched the Walking Dead? They got to stab them in the brain because I didn't think it was cool that they were shooting them and they would keep going.

So that was kind of cool that they kept like moving forward. But yeah, there was no. To answer your question, Christian, I never for once in any episode ever thought Asoka's a being Asra ever going to be in danger and I just think that's a product of knowing there's more things to come. That's part of it. But also I think that's kind of, you know, Dave doesn't really do that per se. I know. If he wants to do it though, the way he did can, he can't, he can knock it out of the park on occasion.

Sure. But that just wasn't his MO. So I didn't go in expecting that until. It wasn't that anybody, I didn't think any one of them would die. But it just didn't, like I said, there had to be a thing where, like even what Thanos was able to do or these great villains that are being set up, they do something. And so it's just like, what did Thron do? Like, what did he do? Well, he got, he got away.

And now he's back and now there's a big threat. Why? He's got one ship and a bunch of dead stormtroopers that everybody can take it anyway. Like what's on Dathamir. That's kind of scary. That is scary. that's, I mean, that's true. He got to Dathimir, and now he's got a chance to set more things up. And that's true. But if they know that he's back, because Ezra knows, and that's the other thing.

So they tread, what was Asoka doing? Asoka takes the ship and flies towards it. Like, how is she going to get on that ship? That's part one. Then he tracks her. And I love, I did love the conversation that Thron said when he's just like, you know, nice try, brings up Anakin, peace out and takes off. But if he was able to. Yeah. And they tracked them like that. right how did they not track as relief yeah i mean he got in come on frank come on i don't no no i'm just saying that track sometimes no sometimes you're just going to be like i want a zara over there now and and that's what they do sure that's what that's what that's but that's the difference between and or and this show and mandorriens season three is that and i stand by like i i think that this this was a fun this was a fun minus my thoughts on this i really enjoyed this series i

thought it was a it was a fun star war show and it was and it's and it's nice to take the difference which is something like and or and this but it's it's apples and oranges as far as writing goes i mean the the the full on detail like in what and or does in how you build up to where when someone dies or someone's in trouble or there's a particular threat like you feel it because of the the writing like this some of the writing in this series was a little simple Yeah, and I think I did they did have a great back to the future two moment They did I brought that up I brought that up yeah with the which one back to the future moment The back to the future two back to the future two back to the future two and they jump when he's on the rooftop with bold Biff

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I couldn't recommend more. They're so good. all right bring back to guys okay so like i said i think that this episode had some really good stuff also and unlike mike kalinowski i don't want to just focus on the negative um i do want to focus on a lot positive too because i do think like i said what i said in my reaction was i Kevin and i feel different about like obi one i don't need an oboe one season two i don't need a bobafebette season two um i like okay they're doing it i mean i'll watch it star Wars, but I want

a season two of Asoka, regardless of what I felt about the family, I think they set it up by the time I left at the end, I'm like, well, where's it going? What's going to happen? What's going to happen this person? What's going to happen there? Like, I care. As opposed to the other ones, I don't know if I care. I thought that that's because of what they did pretty well throughout it. Now, Frank,

do you think, is Hayden going to have a pretty big role, you think, in season two? Probably not. I think they did the work here in season one. because it pertained to Asoka's journey and story that they were trying to tell here. I mean, I think the look,

Assoca's look out over the planes, whatever, and sees Force Goes Anakin, I think kind of is a little bit of a bow on the Anakin chapter. You think it's over? You think it's over? I don't think he will have an appearance. I don't think he will play an appearance the way he did in,

he'll have a role to play the way he did in season one. But I think he might show him, be like, you know, hey, Asoka, put on video number 13 I'll tell you everything you need to know about this upcoming mission something you know something small I think but I don't think in a whole episode like so

Kevin you're shaking your head you don't think you think he's done I loved it I love the bow at the end that it was one of my highlights I actually like in front of my wife started tearing up and she kind of laughed but I think that you know let's talk to air to the empire the novel

there was a great scene in the original non-canon novel where Obi-1 appears to Luke and it's like hey I'm going now like this is it this is the last you got to go off on your own and stuff like that and I felt like that look of him was looking at Asoka saying he got he got through us he helped Asoka get through that crisis of faith that she had and she sees that even though she's in this dire spot now stuck on this planet she seems okay and it looked to me that he was a proud master looking at his apprentice like okay she's good I can now go on to the another world and all that. So to be honest, like, I, I love Hayden. I hope we get that Clone Wars

Apocalypse now, you know, the aged movie. But as far as Hayden goes for this, I think it would be cool if you don't see him anymore. I don't think Osuka needs him anymore. Like, I think that that was the whole storytelling. But I never want to put food food off Hayden's plate. If he comes back for another season, that would be great. I also agree with you, though, Christian, I don't want an Obi-1 season two. I wanted it always to be one thing. But I do want an Asoka season two. But I think in Asoka season two, it doesn't need Anakin. I think that they've moved

on from that. And I think now we should get Asoka. She's moved on from that. Just explore more Asoka Sabina relationship because they didn't really do anything major, major. Until this episode, really, you find out exactly what was going on between them. Yeah, right. Because we're going to kind of go down the dark side. I think we kind of all kind of thought that anyway. And

even though they didn't even set it up too much where she like Ezra they set up in rebels like you know I mean I can't Frank I remember talking to you about it like every every five seconds you thought that guy could go evil every and they did it really well I never really felt that

was Sabine like ever mind and even when she gave away the thing to Baylon like I never felt like she could go to the dark side and never never did but um you guys remember when everyone he thought Benicio del Toro was going to play a bad Ezra in the last day a lot of people wrote it up but what I will say about Hayden though is

I do think he's going to come back. And I don't disagree with your points, Kev. I actually, we're both of you guys. I actually agree that it is a good bo, but remember that they ended on this planet, right? And they also want people to watch season two. And Hayden, that episode was easily. And now that we can actually find out streaming numbers, maybe. I bet you that that is the highest viewed episode by far and brought in, you know, a lot of water cooler discussion.

You know, that was Christian. That was Hogan Rock at WrestleMania 18. But it was. And then you now had the two matches afterwards that had to follow that, which kind of fell flat, Chris Jericho, Triple H, that kind of thing where you had, you peek kind of. Sweet camera. Sweet camera. Mother. It's great.

that's good. Yes, that's actually much better. I'm not a streaming mogul like you guys. That has nothing to do with anything. You don't have to be a stream. You just got to get a camera that works. It's like talking to my father on Skype. How do you work this? What do you look at a bug spray?

Why do you want me to do? Stay still. I don't know. Stay still. Cut it out. Put on a helmet. I hate you guys both. We should co-tor helmet now.

Where that thing? I'll figure it out. For your audio listeners, it'll be fine. As he tries to bring balance to his face. Yeah, Frank, I think that, like I said, I really, and I love the fact, because at first, at first, when Ezra starts building a lightsaber, I'm like, now he wants a lightsaber.

And I said, well, you know what? He did say in the last episode that he gave that to Sabine. That was hers. And I still, I think that he could have used it in the last episode. that was a little silly that he's forced throwing people around. But nonetheless, he was like, I'm going to build it. And I was like, well, how come he hasn't built it? I was answering my own questions as I was saying it out loud.

Yeah, I was like, well, how come he hasn't built one of the 10 or 11 years he was here? Is it because, you know, the pieces, dummy. The pieces were on the ship with Hu Yang. And then they had a really great moment with him and Hu Yang. But did you like that scene? Oh, I love that scene. Yeah. And going back to real quick to the last episode, why, you know, I thought they were going to give Ezra a bigger moment with a

lightsaber in the finale. It didn't quite do it in the way that I thought, but I think it was all for this scene between Hu Yang and Ezra talking about to me coming in saying Canaan Jarous and then Hu Yang casually drop in the Caleb Doom, his real name.

I love that. Then the emitter, just great, great touch of the lineage between Canaan and Ezra, and there was just a lot there, and it was just like, Ezra has access to Hu Yang now, who has all this information. And Ezra kind of knows more or less the right question to ask as opposed to Sabine,

who has limited knowledge. And so they could have went in way more interesting type of conversation, but you don't have so much time in an episode. So yeah, no, I'd love to see them together again. Hopefully, well, I don't know when, if ever. Well, Hu Yang? Yeah, because Ezra is in the is in the Yeah, where's who? Yeah. That's right. Who Yang's with who Yang's with the turtle people making case of these. So yeah, I mean, I did, I did really like that moment. a lot. I think what's going to happen now, I think it's pretty much a given is that Ezra is going to train Jason. You would hope so. He's in the same galaxy now. Where are they during the sequel trilogy? Dead. Dead. How can you, you cannot have Ezra miss another galactic conflict. So he's dead.

He's deader than disco in that if they set it up. I mean, look, like, that's what season two, I mean, I thought season one was going to end with Thrawn like really like, you know, almost like Infinity War style. I thought that's what it was going to. Oh, wow, this guy's no joke. But it was just like, again, like I said, the guy escaped. And now he's setting it up. I think, Kevin, you made a great point is that he's on Dathamere.

And that's not a threat to be taken lightly. I mean, that's pretty, especially now he's got the three witches. I mean, Morgan was just kind of a scapegoat. They're like, oh, yeah, Morgan's dead. And he's like, eh. You know, you really. But I was interesting, though, seeing the reactions of the night sisters or the great mothers just kind of like it looked like they rolled her eyes when they sensed that morgan was

like great she's dead and then oh great now he's shooting our catacombs like this guy yeah he resurrected us so do we have to keep you know bowing down to him for the rest of our life he was to keep doing crap like this yeah yeah it was an interesting you know i wonder how that relationship will now go on dathimir um why did but they didn't really explain how did he but because they said it in this episode where uh aser was like yeah yeah throw Thron found the witches and woke them up and then that's what he did. It's like, well, yeah, but how did he do that? Because they never really explained like, so the two of them were in the end of rebels.

They go to this place. They find this planet. And then like, how did he find the witches? Like how did he? Was that? Did I miss that? No, no. They didn't explain how Ezra escaped from Thron.

Then you explained how they got to that planet specifically. If the percol just dropped him off there. And then Thron was like, hey, I remember. hearing about the nicest might be from another galaxy. I don't know. That's probably a book, Christian. Let's be honest. I don't know.

I know. But yeah, I mean, I was just kind of going through people. I mean, it seems like there's a lot of people who really, who really dug it, right? I just, like, there, it was pretty fun again to watch Asoka, Sabine, and Ezra fighting together regardless of the easy. I mean, it's funny because as much, I love rebels. I think I'm in the minority where I actually like rebels better than Clone Wars. I agree, actually.

Okay. So I like, I love rebels. I think so too. I think you. Okay. All right. So rebels to me, it's funny, as much as I loved it, my biggest criticism is that for this episode is that some of the fight scenes felt like I was watching an episode of rebels. And it was like, you know, where you could be like, oh, like, if I watched the same thing happen in animation.

I would have loved it. I would have loved it because it would have played good in animation. I don't think you're wrong about it. Great camera. Great camera. I don't think you're wrong about it feeling some of the fight, choreography and spacing, feeling little tints of animation.

But it is interesting because it is Rick Famuiaua. It was, yeah, which is interesting. You know, pretty cool seeing Ezra with the radio, though. He used to do a lot of that in Rebels, like take the Stormtroopers radio. That was a classic. As well, yeah. Yeah.

at Rebels. I thought Ezrable great. I joke with Dasha. Like, we call the Asoka. Like, as much as I didn't think the finale landed that well for me, it's the Ted Lassow of Star Wars. Like, I thought like every character was so likable. Like, even the villains.

We all love Baylon. We all love Shinn. We all love Asoka. My wife loved Hera. Like, like all the Ezra's just so darn likable. Like, it's the Ted Lasso. And like, you know, every episode of Ted Lasso always had that one moment that got you going. We're like, where you like, you almost cried.

And there was a moment in this movie, or in this movie, in the finale at the end, obviously, with Anakin, where it's like that same thing. Like, they got, I mean, they get the Ted Lassow moment. Yeah, well, I think that, I mean, I did like, and I did like how Sabine kind of sensed Anakin there too, right? She knew something, she didn't know what it was. Something was going on.

Yeah, yeah. She knew something was going on. Yeah, I like, I like that. And then Asoka was, Asoka knew. new. So you're both your guys logic by the way on why he shouldn't be in it makes total sense. Total sense. I just think that they're going to need it for some some star power to. I don't think you're wrong. I don't think you're wrong about that. Yeah. Yeah. And then. Well, I want to see him with Luke. That's the last. Remember we talked about it. That's the last

super matchup. That's that we need to see that's seen a Hogan that we never got or Hogan. It makes me nervous though, guys, because like there was that rumor going around and whether or not it's true or not, I don't know, but the rumor was that there was a mandate that came down from Kathleen Kennedy that basically said no more Luke, no more Skywalker stuff, we're going to leave with other characters, we don't need Luke anymore, we don't need Han, it's why we mentioned Leah, but I just think if Thron comes back, especially now that he's in the galaxy and he's got to be there. I mean, why wouldn't you call him? I was, if they don't have him in some capacity, in some capacity, I'm going to be, I'm

going to be very curious how they try to explain this. You're right. I think it's right. Well, the other thing, they show Zeb in Mandalorian season three is nowhere to be found in this. I could have I could have sworn they were going to show him at the very end.

He could have been on the deck of the ship or I guess was at home one. I guess he could have been there. What a moment it would have been if like, you know, and I know it was cinematic. I know it was cinematic, but Ezra is smarter to walk. to walk off the ship with the helmet on.

And I like that when he takes the helmet off, all the people that don't know who the heck he is, they all lower his weapons too. Like, he's still a storm trooper with a beard. Like, only Harrow would understand and know. Most people,

yeah. But you know, this time, when that type of ship approaches a ship and lands, you notice how they brought out the whole crew all armed instead of, so I was like, oh, okay,

well, they're like, very cautious of like, what's the ship can, yeah, but it's like, if you know, if you know, if you're Ezri,

like, you know what, I'm gonna, I'm going to go ahead and take this off. So that way, they don't shoot me. It was like space balls with Rick Moranis coming out with the smoke, you know, and he's like, I can't see a thing in this thing. Yeah.

But it was a sweet, but the counter to that is that it was a sweet moment that Chopper knew exactly who it was. Yeah, I did. I didn't like me. Yeah. Yeah. So like I said, there was when as even I said on my, on my reaction, it was that you could, if you found my channel with that reaction, you're like, oh, this guy hated the series. On the contrary, I love the series.

I really did. I thought the series was a lot of fun. I mean, the music from start to finish was just next level. Previously on music, I thought was killer. Oh, was like, oh, Kevin Kiner is bringing it. Like, even in the previously on music, I was like, oh, yeah. He's the best. And there's like little, there were a little hints there.

There was one moment, though, in when the dead troopers come back and they're running, it felt like an Abbott and Costello movie at one point when they're running through. And even with the music, it felt like, it felt like almost like it should have been black and white in the same way werewolf by night you know it had noticed when they had started sealing the doors the sound effect that they used to blet them the night troopers blast through the the blast door it's like that same sound effect they use on the on the tantif four in the beginning of a new hope oh is that same sound effect yeah i noticed i was like that sounds really so it's like it's like they do really good job at little details like that and then sometimes there's all their parts

where you're like i did love the the chant of bel name vene naline gussie like kind of shades of Kalima from Temple of Doom. And when they rise up, it's cool. I just, all they need to do is, it was a little too Marvel movie. It needed to be like a Zach Snyder, D.C. movie. They needed to knock out a couple lights, have a couple dark shadows. I know that'll get a lot of hate in the comments. Well, go watch Rebel Moon.

Geez. Rebel, yeah, Rebel Moon. But anyway, yeah, I think that for the setup in general, do you think, let me start with you, Frank, do you think that because of the way they set up Baylon, They set up Balin as he's kind of got this journey overall and that you don't really know where he's going. He's such a layered character where he's not, I mean, he's mercenary and he definitely does some bad stuff. But he also has this love for the idea of the Jedi Order and all that stuff. And he kind of is trying to find this purpose.

You think his story's over or do you think that they recast? I think you have to recast. You can't set up this type of character and then just, just leave it for a comic or a book. I think, you know, continue this character on, recast. And it's, and it's going to play into a larger, could play into a larger conversation about, you know, Filoni's movie and what do you do with Luke Han and Leah, you know, so, I mean, you got to, you got to recast them because this, this story is way, also, I think the way they set it up,

it's almost, it's way too important for this part of the galaxy, of this corner of the galaxy amongst force users, if you will, with the potential. set up of mortis like that's much too fun to just drop it off to maybe even an animated show i doubt it but you know obviously there's all the mediums to tell this to continue the story but it just wouldn't feel the right way to go i i agree with you they do season two it's going to be weird to just say well yeah he's not there anymore but kev do you think they're going to if they do a season two do you think that they're going to um they're going to recast them or do you think that they're just going to say he's just kind of, you know, he's off doing his own thing and

shin is going to be kind of the lead bad guy. No, I think that they're going to, they have a story to tell. He was on that mountain. Those are the mortis gods on the mountain carving. Yeah. Like Mount Rushmore, like, I think you see the son and the father, but the mothers or the sister, the daughter, the head is cut off or whatever. But maybe they have it a way where like the next time we see him, he doesn't look the same.

Obviously, it'll be a different actor. and it'll be described that whatever he did at that mountain that he was looking at where that little light was shining that's going to transform him. Maybe he becomes something much greater of an evil or an omnipresent. Maybe he's neither good or evil. But I could see him coming back. Maybe they try to get someone who kind of looks like him. People are talking about leave Shriver or Gerard Butler.

Or maybe he just comes completely different and he's just, he's metamorphosed into something greater. And a lot of people are talking about maybe he tracks down the Bendu. I think that might be a lot for live action people to swallow. tough. I don't know they did space whales. Space whales looked pretty good. And you said the more, you just know about the mortis statues are there. Skywalker was going to have something very similar. Like the dual the fate script, if you ever read it, was going to, Kylo was going to get training by this like ultra crazy like

alien thing. So you never know. But yeah, I do think he'll come back, but not, they're not going to obviously CGI it. But let's just give like he was so good. In the small free time he did, you know, it reminded me of, I mentioned this. on the Jedi way a couple weeks back. Vader was in a new hope for like only like, what is it, like eight minutes and 17 seconds or 13 minutes, something. It's very little.

And the dream time he had, he was so powerful in it. And I just thought that Baylon, I mean, is quickly up there as just one of my favorites. Easily. Because he was layered. He was layered.

And I actually think I've been, I don't know if you guys have been watching it, but I watched one piece recently, I watched the whole series. And there's an actor. He was actually in 300 with Gerard Butler. And he plays the Grand Admiral in one piece of the Marines. And I actually think he'd be fantastic as, as Baylon, if that was the case, too.

But you need to find somebody who kind of has that kind of weight. I don't, I really like Dr. Bartler. I don't know if he's got the same acting chops as like those guys or, you know, or the late grade Ray Stevens. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, I'll rewatch Rome after this. Like, I really, I loved him in Rome.

And his favorite role is. And his interview, if you ever want to, like, just, you know, after you watch the series and you're happy with it or however you feel, try to find his interview at Celebration. Like, I can even get, like, choked up thinking about it. Like, he was so happy to be in this family of Star Wars and talking about how he was making the lightsaber of room noises. And if you watch that interview at Celebration, you just see that, like, we lost a good one. And it's great when you see stars come that are such fans.

of the work, right? Rosario Dawson retweeted a fan art of her as Asoka because she liked the Clone War series and that got her on it, right? Like, and just circle too. Like, I didn't even realize that. She's in shattered glass with Hayden. Well, yeah, they're buddies.

They were friends before Hayden was ever Anakin. Like, and they were 16, 17 years old. They went to acting school together. Well, that's why I think that's why I think he's going to be in it again too. Because I think she, they like being on set together, like working together. I mean, so I do think that's going to happen. But look, before we move on to wrap it up, I do want to tell you about one more sponsor. And this is a lot of, a lot of people have bad habits, man.

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Okay. All right, gentlemen. So, overall, I mean, Frank's going to actually be back next week. going to be in studio for, we're going to do a kind of overall recap of the series in general, much better, Kevin, much better. So for all of the listeners, no, it's Ezra, don't shoot, it's Ezra.

But Frank will be in studio next week and we're going to be doing kind of an overall recap and doing a couple of stories that, and see, you know, kind of what we think is how the movies are going to pan out and all those other things, but overall, this series to me,

it worked. And I think that philoni definitely has a good grasp on it in general i do think though that there is a place for shows like this and shows like and or and i would tell you that i bet you that that philosophy is not shared inside of lucas film um i just don't think it is and i think that it's more so that they want to do like i get and we all know we all fell in love with star wars as kids and there are times that Star Wars should be for kids. There's other times that you've got to move that needle towards some more adult stuff.

And I think that that's what Andor is for. And I think that when you have a show like Asoka, I think Asoka could be enjoyed by adults. I think so could be enjoyed by kids. I think that's why you have moments like the turtle people. It's why you have moments like those. Like you said, Kevin, your daughter loves turtle people, right?

Yeah, the Nodi. She was laughing every time they were on screen. Right. So there's a place for all of them. it. But I have a feeling that, because, Flonny's got a lot of clout right now, as he should, right? Because when shows like this come out and people, you see it all over Twitter, you see it all over the place, like Flonie saves Star Wars. People love Flowny and what he's done. But what I worry is that they

just stick to this type of Star Wars the whole time. Kev, do you think we're, or should say, Frank, do you think we're going to get more, like, more serious Star Wars ever again? season two of Andor? I hope so, because I, from all indications, Ackleckon seems a little more serious tone. Right. That being said, overall, after that, you know, I hope so,

because I agree that there should be a place where both types of shows to exist, because they're doing two radically different things. I mean, Andor and Osoka could not be further apart in terms of like the tone they present and the material and how they present material they present. I mean, obviously how the empire looks at Andor and how the empire looks in Asoko or, you know,

mandolorean and things like that. So they should continue to do both. I love both versions of it, both versions of that type of Star Wars works for me. Are they worried about connecting all of it that way because the tones are radically different? Maybe that's a thing. I don't know.

But I hope they continue to do both. What do you think, Kevin? Well, yeah, I hope we do a Sith Council special deep dive on young Jedi adventures because we can really go through, that with Yoda and the High Republic. No, I think there's room at the top for everyone.

That's a shame that you say that, that you think that's what Lucasfilm. And you're probably right, unfortunately. And especially the streaming numbers weren't really spectacular for Andor, right? But that's the thing when people don't realize, though. And that's what I always try to, they got better and better and better and better

because streaming is not movies. Like movies, it's opening weekend, and then what that second drop is on weekend two is huge. and then that determines how long you stay in the theater before you hit streaming. Streaming is different. I mean, Battlestar Galactica, people are still finding it now and watching it now, and it becomes more, I mean, Seinfeld and all these other shows that are still on,

like they continue to get big ratings for these streamers. When you get buzz, it started to pick up because it's different with movies. With movies, again, you're paying for the ticket, you're like, oh, I'm not going to spend 15 bucks to go do this. You're spending 15 bucks a month on Disney Plus or whatever it is, you're going, all right, everybody's talking about this show. I'll just push play. And if not, I'll watch the other thing instead. So that show got nominated for a ton of different awards and more and more people watch.

I had somebody tell me last week. I just started watching Andor after everybody was talking about it. So it's a little different. I think that that show did better in the long run. Then maybe your fears are not going to come through. I think that season two will be telling. And yeah, I hear Aka Lights a little more serious. And then you're going to have skeleton crew, which will be more like Goonies and stuff.

So I think there's room for every genre. I mean, Star Wars visions shows that if you ever seen them. There's so many different ways you can present Star Wars. There's a couple of those Star Wars vision shorts that I would have got. I would pay good money to see in a theater. I know, but I wish to that team is different than the other team. That's the team that the team that does Visions is the same team that does like Jedi Survivor and like the same team that, you know, that does the video game stories.

Yeah, they're separate. they're a separate team people don't realize that that that team is not associated or does not work with the TV and the film people everybody just thinks that they all work together they don't the visions team and the Jedi survivor team and they do and I think that those stories have been better than a lot of the other stuff and I think the tones overall I think I would love to see more those that creative team do that because they're also connected to like the books and stuff too that same team works with the like the book people and everything too and like i still i still think especially i'm so shocked that they haven't done this too where you look at the success of last of us

and you look at like they have these really well written stories like really well well written stories that you could adapt into a eight-part series um mini series a you have movies that could be adapted to it and whether it again i always bring up dorff bain and plagus and other things too but there's so many i would pay a hundred dollars a month i know i heard i don't know how true this is but i heard a rumor that that that was in development and was getting close to that they were going to do something with it and then again just a rumor that captain kennedy and somebody else said it was too inside baseball and they decided they they scrapped it again i don't know how true that is i don't know how true it is they're on the Death Star and the guy's like,

oh, it's all right. I'll take you to go see you when my family lives, the farm. It's a great book. Great book. Yeah. So anyway. Yeah, but either way, though,

I think that what would you rank, Frank, this overall, Asoka's season one, what would you rank it from one to ten? I would give it an eight. An eight? An eight? Okay.

What would you, Kev? I would give it a seven. And before you, you answer your number i also when you give your rating i also want to ask you do you feel still do you miss star wars in the movie still or are you still die hard only on tv no i i i actually said this um when i saw soka episode one and two on the big screen because we got to see it at el capitan i actually said to my i said yeah this definitely i i do want to see it in in the theater because i don't as much as i've liked watching star wars on tv i don't think that they've cracked the code

I just don't. I think that there's some, I think that season one, season two, Mandalorian, great, and or if every show was, and again,

we just talked about how it's, they need to be different. But there's just so much, the writing and this, and these episodes weren't as short as say Mandalorian season three. The writing dipped tremendously in Mandalorian season three.

The writing, I know you love it, Ked, but the writing to me was really bad in, in Obi-1. again you know my thoughts on obi one i i had very strong opinions about the score and yeah the director and all of that i just but that's what but dude that's what people say to me people still say this like oh don't you wish that obiwan was going to be a movie no i just wish it was

written better if it would have been if it would have been six episodes at an hour asking for that yeah yeah an hour apiece it just give me more about that that that um that development of oh, this was a great, my friend had this theory, by the way, and I'm glad that I just thought of this. And I thought they were going to reveal this because when he said it, I was like,

dude, what a reveal that would be. He said, what if Baylon was Obi-1's brother? And I was like, oh, that would have been, he brought that up to me.

And I went, dude, I want that so bad now because it was brought up in that series and never touched on again. But if he was Obi-1's brother, and they and they that's what it it would have been weird if they were both in the order and then like didn't sense that like hey are you related by any chance because like he knew anakin so he probably knew something where you check for anichlorians yeah i guess i guess but it was just that's i mean that's true but it was just it was just something it would have been crazy but either but either what my point of that is that that to me was my favorite part of what we want was like oh where's that let's let's dive deep into those types of things and and build in the way that like just good writing right it's a it's a like I just don't like this philosophy of like well that's not the way George would have done it it's like I love George but let's let's get past just what George would do it's like what's your ranking of Asoka season one I'm going to split the difference with you two I'm going to 7.5 okay I'm going to 7.5 because I think that like I was I was I was at I was at a heavy eight but I just don't think they stuck the landing but I was at I was I was at an eight for for this show and I think that where I probably give mandolary in season three like a 6.5

Yeah, I mean, I probably, I would go 7.2. Yeah, in that area. It's in that area. I'm going 7.6. Oh, okay. Well, here's it. 7.67392. As this closes out, though, I will say, and maybe we'll end with this.

I think that I'm going to go right now. I think I'm at season one of the Mandalorian, or maybe season, sorry, season two of mandolarian is my is my favorite then i'm going to go to tie between season one of mandorian and andor um then asoka uh then obi won and then follow with boba fam it's just a shame you oh wait i forgot mandolary season three i forgot mandolian

season three obi one should be at everyone's list yeah manlorian season it should be but it's not i'm gonna put yeah i put i probably tie Mandalorian season three and Obi-Wan are probably tied for me. Maybe, you can call this a cop-out, but I dare not throw and or in a comparison,

like a ranking with the other shows. I just can't do it. They're radically different. They're radically different. I can't, like, yes, you can. One type of those shows. And so, like,

yes, you can. Right. I mean, sure, you can, but I won't, but I won't. Yeah. I hear what you're saying, though. They're just, they're radically different shows. It's like the writing in Andor

is on par with, like, the writing of, like, know, the first season or two of Battlestar Galactica, like that type of show. It's like, it's like a really detailed, well-written, executed show. And that's why they brought Tony Gilroy in there. Yeah, I love it. I think I put Mando, I think I still put Mando season two at the top and then Osoka. And then after that, I don't know, it's a Mando one.

Yeah, probably Mando one and then Obi-1, Boba-Fet. I got book of Boba-Fet number one for me. above Obi-1. I just, man. Yeah, I think I'd probably put Mandelaar in season three over because it closed strong. Put the helmet on.

Kev, what do you say? You're Obi-1 first? Like I said, Obi-1 is just like that, I just feel compelled. I really like the movie version we did, and I really love, like, those characters, but, I mean, I will rank

and or number one, right? Yeah, I get it. And I would say that Obi-1 is up there with Mandalorian season two. Then I would go Asoka. Then Mandalorian season one. And then season three and Book of Boba Fett are kind of tied there for me. Okay.

Yeah. But like I said, it is because something's in last place. I love the Book of Boba Fett. It had Boba Fett riding on a freaking rancor. It's all Star Wars. It's all Star Wars. There was,

there was not, I will say this. There's not, I didn't hate any of the shows. I didn't like, oh my God, that's terrible. That's terrible.

Like the more and more, watch last Jedi, that's how I feel. But like, but these, but these, but these, no, but these shows, but these shows in general, there, it's like, you know, there's some silly moments in, in, in Balafat, like the Power Rangers, scooters and shit like that. And, but, but overall, it's still Star Wars to me, the way that they, they've been doing it. And it's, it's, it's fine. I like that we get one or two shows.

But to answer your previous question beforehand, and we can end with this is like, yeah, the movie, I'm looking forward to the movie. The question is, what is it going to be? So as much as I want to see a Star Wars movie, I think that that division in Lucasfilm is in shambles. I think it's in shambles. I mean, did you see the short that I did on, like, that stat that came out of like,

there are two directors that were given Star Wars, two that finished the project. Like there's like 15 or something that didn't. And that was before the list of how many cancer projects. Yeah. Yeah. And that was before, that was, dude, that was before the.

del Toro news came out also like there's there's so many so i you know i'm excited about seeing one but the question is when is it going to happen who's it going to be um there's that rumor that mandorian season four will actually be a movie if that's the case and you know then that'll probably be the first one that goes because faverill probably direct it and you get a favro star wars movie in the theaters that's exciting um if that if that's the case and you could you could do that it's a question is which one comes out first. Is it the Ray movie? I think that's a mistakefully with that,

but I think they're so far into the development of it all. You kind of have to do it. Unless you can get that Favre one off the ground because they've already written it, you know? Right. You think the Philonian one is done going to be like the last to get out of the gate? Well, it has to be. It's got to be because it doesn't have enough time

to build all the story. Because look at it as far as time goes. Let's say the writer's strike. ends, they come to agreement at the end of this week. That's fingers crossed and say that and that people start to go back to work within the next couple of weeks. Let's say that the business is back to normal by November 1st. All right.

So that means that skeleton crew is going to be the first one. As far as, and we're not including Ackleic because it doesn't connect to the Flonian movie. So the first one out of the gate has to be skeleton crew. So that's first. Then the question is, where's Mandalorian season four fit in? Does it become a movie? And if it becomes a movie, are they going to be able to shoot that in 2024 and get it out by 2025, right? If not, then the series at least comes out in 2025, which will then mean that Asoka Season 2 needs to film and get out by either late 2025 or early 2026 to hit that proposed date of Faloni's movie at the end of 2026.

So that's kind of how the math leads up right now. but as we also know, if they said, oh, Polone's movie got canceled. I wouldn't be surprised. It's the one movie that you probably shouldn't bet against, but at this point, I wouldn't be surprised. Unfortunately, I kind of agree with that. It would just be insane to me for Filoni stock to drop that much between Asoka, seasons one and two in the movie. Something crazy would have to happen.

Is there a world in which the Flonian movie comes out and then you have a season two of Asoka? after the movie? No, we make no sense. I mean, because you got to lead, because, well, you got to lead, you got to lead to all that stuff. I mean, I mean, I guess you could do it, but it's like, it's supposed to be like the big finale of all of it. Well, you could have the big,

you could have everything, all your ducks in a row, and then in like the climax of the Filoni movie, all the heroes are about to get killed and then shows up. You know, first of all, if they're on that planet for a while, like training, like you'll have a badass Sabine and Asoka. a master and apprentice come save the day. He could do a little, it would be like a wrestling,

another wrestling reference, like a cheap, easy pop, like a return pop, right? I think that's the one, I think that's where we finally see Sam, what we're in live action is the Flonie movie, by the way. I think that's where we finally do it. Anyway, well, listen, I want to thank you guys for joining me here today on the show. And I know Frank and Kevin are both on the same show on scoundrels.

And guys, where can they find the show, Frank? Yeah, on YouTube, Instagram, TikTok, all the social media sites, It's Scoundrels, Inc. If you want to subscribe, follow the socials. We do a lot of shorts, too. That'd be cool. And, yeah, Kev pops up there once in a while when he wants to.

I'm a Star Wars flusy. I'm on another show called The Jedi Way with John Roka on the Outlaw Network. So you can check out me out there. Scoundrels, Inc. is a special place in my heart. I founded it with you, Frank, over wings and beer. Come on. That's true. But, yeah, you can find me that.

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