The Kristian Harloff Show - ANDOR EPISODE 10 Spoiler Discussion | Star Wars | Sith Council

Episode Date: November 10, 2022

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There's the bit. So we got Sith Council. We have Andor episode 10 and the show just keeps getting better and better. There's no doubt about it. We have that. We know that. There's some other news going on. One director says,

and I ain't doing Star Wars anymore. And then there's rumored that there's another director who is doing Star Wars. Is it too much? Who cares? We'll talk about that more. There's some stuff on Tales of the Jedi. But it's really about Andor today. I got Steph here, I got Mike here.

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Amazing. Just get David B to do it. And then Mike Kalanowski. Yep, yep. Hello, Mike. What's up? I didn't wear my Wap hat today. I'm sorry.

I'm not representing. Yeah, I'll do this. You're not with the gang. No. Nope. So we have a lot to talk about everybody. Got my pretzels. Hold on.

We have a lot to talk about. Yep. And or it is out. The latest episode. And Mike, this is the exactly what we were talking about. It was the one to punch uppercut. What an uppercut it was. Punch.

Jab cross, uppercut. Knockout. Jab cross uppercut. This wasn't a knockout. It was really, really good. Take the camera off me. I'm eating. No, you're...

Why are you eating? Because I am hungry. Okay, okay. It makes sense, right? So, Steph, what you tell me? What do you think? Oh my gosh. Best episode of the season.

Really? Perhaps my favorite episode of any Disney Plus show so far. Really? I thought it was excellent. The attention to detail. Andy Circus, just give him all, everything, all the flowers, awards. I thought Diego Luna at his best. I feel like his character is getting more as a leader. You understand why he's such a legend to the rebellion and where it came from. They're making every

storyline matter. You know, you're like, why is he getting shipped off for seven years? And you're like, oh, this story matters to the bigger picture. And I think it connects what I think is the death star and so many other working points into the story. Yeah, absolutely. And the show has just been really delivering on all fronts. And I think that this one, what I like so much about it was Andor, and we talked about this million times over. Andor, there was a heavy focus on him,

which is great. It's his show. It's the fact that they were like, okay, this is this going to be another show where they didn't even focus on Andor, they focus on him heavily. And you see him evolve into the leader to where he's just like, guys,

what are we doing here? We know that we're going to, you just want to roll over and die? We've got to get out of here. And finally, Kino is like, Okay, because it didn't, the way that it led off in episode nine was you just thought Kina was going to be right ready to go fight. He wasn't. He had to settle.

And this was Andy Circus's episode, though. Yes. I said, Mike, I'm curious if you agree or disagree. I think that Andy Circus should be considered for an Emmy for this performance as a supporting actor. I thought he was that good in this role, the way he, what he's going through, how he's been like a company man for the end. entire time we've seen him when we meet him to understanding what Andor is saying and even using some of Andor's words inside of his speech because Andrew's like, that's all you're going to tell them?

Yeah. And then he's like, well, watch this. I'm going to give you a little Caesar. Yeah. Sprinkle in a little gallum. And I'm going to, and then I'm just going to, you know, I'm going to go straight up show you how powerful Andy Circus is as an actor and that scene alone. What did you think?

You think it was an Emmy, uh, Emmy type performance or just really good? Oh, I think so. Yeah, when it comes to nominating people, it's like they, I mean, he even made fun of it, Don Cheadle for Rodey and Falcon the Winter Soldier got nominated for an Emmy. You're like, and he was like, what? Carl Lumley didn't, but.

He had like three lines too. Yeah, so it's like, yeah, he's 100% should. It's funny, I saw a lot of talk of this is their, everyone's favorite episode. The bar has been set so high with this damn show. Yeah. You can't have a favorite episode. Because every time you think you do,

I always make fun of that. Every time a new movie drops, something comes out, like I've seen it with Black Panther, ah, masterpiece, the best one of the MCU's done, and the next film comes out, and the same rhetoric will come out. This show, I believe every single person that goes, this is my favorite episode,

because it truly does get better and better every single. How good is the writing in this show? Let me tell you something. Yeah, go ahead. I'm going to talk on the writing. I don't want to skip ahead, but we got to. My favorite scene in this movie in this episode? Scar, scars, guard.

No? That's fantastic. But he's had that for them sitting there talking about, hey, I'm going to bring my son, and you're going to betroth them to your daughter. Yeah, it's game of throne style. Holy crap. That's the first lie you told. They just sat there.

There's no, yeah, that's first lie you told. There's no movement. He's like, I don't want any money. I got something else. That's my only beef with the whole scene. What? He said money, not credits. Oh.

It's the only beef I have. Okay. There's only. But that's, that scene alone. The Luthon scene, that's, but he's been doing that the whole show. Yeah, but there's a different. So, that Luthon scene showed so much about him,

but also so much about that. Lonnie character. Who I didn't even notice. No, that was the point. Yeah. That was the point. You haven't even noticed that guy been around.

He finally steps up and you think, oh, here's another Imperial who's trying to overstep Deidre. Yeah. And he makes the movie. Listen, listen, we should investigate because if we don't investigate, they're going to know.

And she's like, okay, I guess that's fine. She walks off. And then the main guy's like, yeah, that's exactly what we'll do. And then you see him in the elevator. The second he's in an elevator. You know he's in on it.

And he starts to. See, I didn't at that point. Because I was a little kid. I was like, what's going on here? I thought because they set up the fact that Luton was meeting with someone. Got it. Okay, okay. They put him in the elevator, Michael.

So that's clearly who is meeting with. But what is his part in the story? And he's been their guy. And that whole conversation where Luton says to him, I have you got a kid now. He's like, that's not right, man. Yeah. He's like, come on.

And then this conversation he has with him where he's just telling him, there are a couple things that Luton says. He's like, this is who he is. He goes, well, we're going to have to sacrifice that guy. To keep you alive. So we have to keep... 50 of you. 50 of you.

We're going to keep you alive. We've got to sacrifice him and everybody else. But it'll be worth. That's the sacrifice. And you're trapped. Like, sorry. They're either going to know... Rooming you.

He's like, you've got a good life. You're going to have a good life the rest of your life, but you're doing this. And then he goes, well, would you sacrifice? Like, oh, you got a minute? Okay, let me tell you. He was like Columbo in that. He's just like, oh, I'm going to leave you. Excuse me.

There's one more thing. But I sacrificed? He's like, I'll tell you what I sacrificed. this the and that speech of the intricate workings of everything giving up its kindness and morality but but it was the progression of where he went with it to he started off he's like okay well well just let you know so I was here here here here here here does the whole thing and he goes so what did I what did I risk everything and you're like whoa yeah yeah more of an impact yeah because you believe you're like oh wow he's like I'm not even going to be here

to see the benefits he knows he's going to die he that line about I forgot what yeah it was about talking to ghosts or something my dreams are to Ghosts or something. Holy crap. Yeah. But like, do you guys feel this? Like, I still don't know where Luthin's loyalties are. Like, I do. He's an extremist. But I'm just saying, it's like, I don't know who's really safe with him.

Like, I don't know if he's going to kill him at the end? Is he still killing Andor? We don't know what his end goal is. We don't know who. We know what is Engel. But how many will you sacrifice for that piece? I think he told you. Yeah.

Everyone. Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. But if there's no one left then. I think he gave, I think the point is you find more people. because he's using everyone from that first conversation that when Mon Mothma came in. Yeah. And he says, well, he's using everybody.

And he's not pretending he's not. He's using everyone. And he's using it for his greater good, which ultimately is. And what it also really, I think, shines a light on in general was when you're a kid and you're watching the original trilogy or anything to you just, oh, well, yeah, the good guys are going to fight against the bad guys. And you don't realize this show makes you realize how much work. went into this rebellion. Yeah, the cost and the sacrifice.

And as you mentioned, Mike, that scene with Mon Mothma, as she, and I like the idea. I remember we talked about it last week. Is this guy, is this guy going to be a recognized actor? Oh, yeah, yeah. I like that he wasn't. Oh, yeah, totally.

I don't think it needs it. Because he's a spy, you know what I mean? Like, he's just a plant in it. And I like how even Dedra's not even peaking. No, I'm talking about the one in Mon Mothma, the, the banker. The banker. The mobster.

Remember, we thought he might be a big character, a big actor. Yeah, like Harlow perhaps, but he was. He was just a great actor. And I think that added to it. Yeah, I love him because we were talking about this last week, but also this week in in terms of the writing. You know, he's saying one line, two lines, Max.

And I know everything about him. I know everything about the Chandrilling culture. I know like what his motives are. And then it showed more about Mon Mothma. And I just like love how they were just playing chess with each other and how to the point she was until it was like, about her daughter. And then that was like,

you can leave now. Yeah. And she's like, I'm not going to think about it. It's like, and like you said, that's the first time you lied this whole conversation.

There's such a great line. Because he's like, yeah. Where do you think? Because I'm thinking of it that, that's in particular. The cultures, the how they act. Who is coming up with this?

Filoni's not unsaid. Gilroy. But, you mean like, he probably read a bunch of books. I'm just curious because it's so believable. in what the cultures are.

Totally. And the choices, either you've got your phenomenal actors working with a director. But Tony Gilroy, he's even said, he's like, I don't care about Star Wars. You're talking about the intricate workings of all the Star Wars. The working of how it all fits. It's got a team, man. But I'm saying, where is that? Like, so we've seen before in the previous Star Wars like, holy crutch, what's going on here?

Does anyone know Star Wars? Why are he doing this kind of thing? But this, you 100% believe it, knowing coming from a script, he even talked to all his production going, hey, forget your love of Star Wars. writing a great show. It's amazing. It's all there. And I think that what he's doing, you're hiring people inside of that know it,

whether you're dealing with the story team or whoever it is. I would love to talk to him and say, like, okay, let's talk about that scene with the artifacts, right? If I was to guess, he hired somebody inside of his team and said, look, I need artifacts in the back that people would recognize if they're the hardcore fans and that play to the culture, that understand that stuff that he would have from years back.

And so then, you know, you get the Pablo Hedagos or whoever got you and say like, okay, this, this, this, this and this. Let's put that in there. And he's like, great. Okay, as long as it doesn't make us, you know, as long as it looks real and it's authentic, awesome. He just knows what he wants. What he did, what he promised and he delivered on, especially in this episode,

this is about a spy thrillery as you get from even when Andrew is chipping away at the thing and the music that starts playing, I feel like I was watching Born. The music was so good. There was, someone on Twitter, one of our watchers, listeners commented, like, It was very much an intimidation game with Bennett Come Back Right, yeah, yeah. They find out the code. It's like, we can't use it.

Can't tell anyone, but we did it. Like, like, spy thrill, like, like, you said, like they said a couple episodes ago that you don't notice the rock in the hand until the daggers are your throat wherever. That's what the Imperial guy. Like, it's, yeah. I love the whole, the whole prison scene is so like Shawshank Redemption on Crack. And it's like power to the people when he was like, power doesn't panic.

There's like 50 quotes I wrote down. Every episode, I'm just like, these quotes are so lit. I gotta keep them forever. But the way that they, Andy Circus's character was like, if you see someone falling, pick them up, help them out, show them the way out. And then just like the specifics, the decision making not to kill the two guards who were a part of the control panels, I thought that was interesting. And I'm curious what you all think.

To me, it was like perhaps it's showing that Andor shows discretion of when he's going to kill or not. But at the same time, I was like, yeah, but was it? But was it necessary? because, like, look, they, they accomplished what they needed to accomplish. Like, everyone that he has killed minus those guys who were attacking him in the beginning. Yeah. Even the guy, even the guy who seemed to be a good guy in Rogue 1. Tivic.

Purpose. There's purpose behind it. The purpose for this was, keep them alive and what they're going to do it. I mean, it's. They're useless. They're useless. You can't do anything about. They don't have weapons.

So get the hell out of there. They do. And how about that heartbreaking scene at the end when Keenon's like, I can't swim? I love that. Yeah. Freedom, light. And they didn't. make a big thing of it. There's no big dawning

realization. Everyone's jumping around him. Well, he was like, Jesus. But I hope to God, that's it. I hope he never see him again. I don't hope it's not going to turn into snow. I don't want him to snoke. That's the only time I thought it might be that. I don't want that. Why they keep him around. I just, we don't know

what happened to him. I just think he's going to be punished and tortured and then what? Snoke. But what is Snoke? He's an experiment. Was he a giant person? Was a creature? They didn't know what the hell they were doing with him. Yeah, but maybe this is away from the explaining. Oh, come on.

I'm not saying I want it. I'm not saying I want it. I'm just saying. No, no, no, no, no. It's hilarious. I got to come from a friend of mine commented the last week and I was like, what are you doing? He commented he goes, hey, as far as this time could stop this. No, we're going to discuss it.

Now, you don't have to agree with it. You don't have to agree with that. And I don't, I actually don't think it's going to be snow. I don't think so either. But it's a conversation you can have to say, tell someone to stop it or say, no, no, no, I mean, it's a conversation. You're leaving a character alive. If you don't think this is the most specific and every moment has a purpose show that we've seen in Star Wars, you're crazy. So tell me why he can't swim.

I'm not saying he's going to turn into Snoke, but there's a reason. Well, yeah, but I mean, the other reason that could be. Is character development? Well, the other reason this could be they signed Andy Circus for three episodes and that was it. And Andy was coming in for a three episode arc to be part of this. And they said, hey, we have this cool arc. It's just a further along. You've been Snoke before.

You played Snowk, but this is, this is not Snoke. This is just a character named Kino who does this thing. And that's probably what. And did it to sacrifice for the good, even though he knew he couldn't swim and that was the only way out. Just being clear, Mike, I think it's probably. Are we being clear? I think it's that it's. No, we're going to have another scene.

It's going to be the post credits. It's going to be the post credits of episode 12. Andor is going to be making a run somewhere and he's going to see a prison cell. And he's going to be like, we should have stayed there and look at me now. My face is. all messed up. Why didn't you do this to be Andor? He knew the sacrifice.

And then they're going to ask like, why didn't Andrew kill him then? When he had the chance, then snow clinton around. Why would he kill his friend? Question of a what if and you just created an entire scene of debauchery. Yeah. Stop this. Do not know who I am. Do not know who I am with this brain of mind.

I came up with another thing the other day that I think you like a lot. What's this? Mike, tell me your thought. On what? Of why you don't think this should be. Of what? Snoke. Just tell me one reason, one sentence.

Because it's stupid. I don't believe you. Well, I'm sorry, Justine. No one believes you. No one believes you. I don't believe you, Mike. I don't care. Either way, though.

We all agree, though, the idea that it was tragic. It was tragic. It was tragic. That's why it works so well because that's it. He's done. Look at his face. Yeah. It was, that's what, you see what I'm talking about?

I'm free, but I'm dead. That's what I'm talking about with the, with it acting. You got it. You understood it. It reminded me, it's like my favorite scene in Braveheart is where he's betrayed by Robert the Bruce. and you see it in Mel Gibson's eyes of just he knows. He just gives up.

William Wallace just said, and it was that. He didn't give up. He knew he was free. He knew he needed to do and they led people down. Because he was saying the whole time it was always in there. It was one way out. But he knew he was never getting out.

But also on that, like, that man helped them all. Like, he's the captain that kept them all alive for so long. All right, jump in. We got you. The two of us will carry. We'll with you. I would have walked the plane before staying. We don't know.

We didn't see him die. They just needed him. die it's over he's done that's it Andy Circus is done and I don't even need to say he is or he's not yeah it's just his story you kind of got the idea that he doesn't need to because him and what's his face take off together from Melchie. Oh yeah yeah yeah him and Melschie take off

together and that's that was a great way to show how they became buddies yeah what they went through together I would have followed and or two I was like now how do you not his route how do you not at this point but what I love though is that they let Kino He gave the speech. He gave the speech.

You have to talk. They didn't have. We didn't know who we know. Right, but in the tropes of these kind of things, usually you've got the hero of your show giving the rous and speech to inspire them. He's like, no, you talk. That shows you the writing.

That's all you got? That's all you got? Talk more. You better do this better, buddy, because I'm not, I can't get, you, get your, let's go. This is next level writing. Yeah, of course. This show is next level writing.

I'm glad we're in agreement. It just, it really is. It's just the, the, the show is just a, the, the show is just a well-written, well-crafted show. But I want to get into a story that Star Wars Newsnet posted, and I think our buddy Miguel Fernandez actually reported on it, which we'll talk about it. Is it the ratings of Andor?

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Do you hear this, Mike, about Sean Levy? I did. Now, I think that... I'm confused, but I did hear about it. So I think that if I get this news about two or three years ago, I'm excited and has nothing to do with Sean Levy. I love Sean Levy. Real Steel is a fantastic film.

I like that movie. Really good. So here's, this is the report here. The news on the cinematic, this is from Grant Davis over at Star Wars Newsnet. The news on the cinematic future of Star Wars is ramping up again after a series of updates on the project, written by Damon Lindelof as Sean Levy is in discussions to work on a Star Wars film after he completes work on the final season of Stranger Things and did pull three. While not all fans trust is what is reported by third party outlets, Sean Levy himself has confirmed the reports are true.

So, Sean Levy wrote, Child Me is losing his shit right now. Growing up Me is too. So he confirmed it basically that he's in talks. Deadline has learned that Sean Levy, who is currently in post-production on the Netflix limited series, all the lights you cannot see, is engaged in discussions with Lucasfilm to work on,

sorry, it's lost the whole thing here, to work on an upcoming Star Wars project. The project is likely to begin development, Quite some time away from now, as there's a lot on Levy's play currently. He's set to direct at least two episodes of Stranger Things 5, the final season of the series, which will begin filming next year for a presumed 2024 release. Meanwhile, Deadpool 3 is scheduled for November 2024, and will most likely begin filming shortly after Levy's work on Stranger Things is finished.

Levely has kept his focus on family-friendly fare, having been the leading creative force behind the night at the museum franchise and Real Steel. Levy is also known for being a heavy collaborator with actor Ryan Reynolds, having made last year's free guy, which I also really like, the Adam Project, which I also really like, and now the long-awaited third Deadpool film, which will feature Hugh Jackman reprising his role as Wolverine. Deadpool 3 will represent a creative departure for Levi-ed

has been confirmed it is targeting an R-rating, and also notably for basing one of the regular directors on Stranger Things, directing two episodes per season since the show began. Based on his output, it seems likely that Levi's film will be PG-13 and in line with his creative sensibilities, although it's not clear whether he's been selected to work on a new film or a project that has already been announced. All right. A lot. A lot. Steph, I want to start with you here.

Troneleby has been doing some great stuff later. Yeah. I mean, all these movies that we just mentioned. I liked all of those. Me too. I thought Adam Project was one of Netflix's best original movies. Really good. I agree with you.

My concern is not that he's doing it. I hope that they get him. Yeah. My concern is the approach still with Lucasfilm in film. We're going to talk about it in a second. There was a report that they had a director attached and that director said, I'm not working on it anymore. Fagie, what's going on with his?

We don't know. Tycho Wattiti, what's going on his? We don't know. Freaking, Beniaf and Weiss, they lost theirs. Josh Trank. All this stuff that had happened before him with the announcements. Now, to be fair to Lucasfilm, they didn't announce this as this was broken by deadline.

So this wasn't something they announced. But the way that I feel that Lucasfilm does meetings is, all right, Mike, you're doing some great things. lately? What's your pitch? What would you want to do for Star Wars? Oh, thanks for asking. I'd love to worry as a kid. I got a pitch. I'd love to do the character Kino. I think we can relate him to Snow. Well, listen. Oh, let me hear your pitch. Look, you're really hot right now. I am, aren't I? Listen to this guy. So the guy who just did a free guy and he works with Ryan Reynolds-aligned does this. He wants to do a snow movie. So it's a really good pitch. And we

haven't talked about that once ever, ever. In the last five years, that was never even brought up. But it's Sean Levy. He's a hot director. Let's make it happen. And that's the kind of stuff that I feel, that's the kind of stuff that I feel that they do. And you saw that even with JJ Abrams and Ryan Reynolds and Ryan Reynolds. Ryan Johnson. Thank you. Like same stuff. Now what I hope is that they had come up with this whole plan and saying,

all right, we have a structure now of where we want to go. We have these movies that we want to do. We want to do a time period of here and we want it to focus on this person. And we think Sean Levy would be great for this. We want to take a meeting and see if you'd be interested in it. That's what I hope. don't believe it at all.

Where do you stand on this? I'm with you on that. I'm so annoyed of them announcing things and then having it not happen. And I don't know if that's because I'm paying more attention to Star Wars and this is just a part of the business. I don't pay as closely attention to other movie announcements and then where they come or where they go.

But with this, I feel like if he tweeted, the quote tweet to me is confirmation. It's confirmation. But it's less about the confirmation. If it's going to happen. Even if it does happen. The question is, what the hell is it? Yeah.

What's the plan? They still don't know what the hell the plan is. They still do this thing of like, well, hot director, popular director, fans like his movies, make the movie as opposed to what's your plan? You don't think that the director, like, he's bringing in a script. I do, but that's my point. I think that Tyca came in and pitched some silly, stupid thing, right? And then they were like, oh, it's Tyke.

He's really hot right. Now they love it. And then people were kind of mixed on Thor, like, oh, let's hold back. Maybe we shouldn't do that yet. Right. I know. But that's my point. What I'm saying is, why not develop something in the story thing with Philoni and Favreland

and those minds and say, okay, this is the stories we want to start telling it, and intertwine it and do all this. And then let's bring in, like, look at MCU did for, like, say, like, someone like Ryan Cougler, okay? They knew they wanted to do a Black Panther movie eventually, right? And then you look at a director like Ryan Cougler, who's going to bring in a lot of creative sensibility. He's going to bring a lot of passion. He's going to bring a lot of stuff into it. He's going to have a new take and he's going to have ideas inside of it,

but it still plays into your overall plan. There's no plan at this company. That's true. I'm torn. I don't know, I don't know my thoughts since because it seems like Sean Levy as a director to me, I don't know if I see his voice of what he makes great film, enjoyable fun. You don't know what it is. That's what I'm saying. Hold on. I've had to take my step back when it comes to a director because I look at the Rousseau's and what they did pre-Winter Soldier and it's community and stuff.

But they directed one of the best Marvel films of all time, I think, in Winter Soldier. And it's gone on to have four phenomenal films. But then after their cinematic universe, which they left, and now the stuff they're doing on their own, I love the gray man, but everyone hated it. Everyone's hated and cherry and all that stuff. So, look, John Watts, his Spider-Man's, I don't care for.

but he did the old man. Right. One of the best TV shows I loved. So I'm excited to see him coming back into Star Wars. This guy, Sean Levy, like, I don't know if, like Tyca was brought him because he's Tyke in this style of humor. That was what we were going to get a Star Wars film of in that vein. He wasn't going to go and do something different.

I think Sean Levy, his filmography is so vast now. He's going Deadpool through at R-rated. He's had family-friendly stuff. But what he's going to bring into it is like maybe he's got... I bet she's got good taste. That passion, like, finally, I can tell my Star Wars story. Like directors, they don't get to, when you're starting out, don't get to pick what they get. And I'm not doubting, by the way, too, that he might have a very passionate story.

Yeah. I just think it's a mistake to keep giving directors and people have them coming in and pitching like it's 2005 in a studio system saying. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I agree. They should be captaining the stories. Yeah. And then bring in people that, like, tell a director they think could or a writer that they think could body the idea and then send that in and then proceed with the director. Right.

But if you do, I will say, if you watch Free Guy, Adam Project and Deadpool, or I guess we haven't seen Deadpool 3, they do have a tone. Stranger Things. Yeah, it has a tone. Yeah, it has a very different thing. You don't watch that show, right? I don't. Right. So his filmography is all over the place.

He's like, does this balance of funny and serious really well? I love Sean Levy. I think Sean Levy is a great choice to do it. I'm just saying it's more, it's less about Sean Levy in this particular thing. It's more like, okay, well, what's the meeting? What I hope to do, I hope that we have a conversation. after hearing from Sean Levy or whatever, too, that, look, here's the thing. They had this great idea of where they want to go with the projects,

and I came in to give my take of after hearing what they want to do and we're collaborating together. Then I'm going to go, I was so wrong. I was so wrong. I was so glad they finally had this plan of where they want to go now, and I'm so glad that I was wrong. It's just, I feel that Kathleen Kennedy produces in a way that is so old school that will work for Indiana Jones. It will work. I think Indian Jones 4 is 5 is going to be great. I really do.

And I think it'll work for that. But because of the way DC and Marvel and Star Wars has to work now with this interconnection and these movies that are just, that fans want to plan. There's no plan. You can't just throw these movies of all the original trilogy. I didn't plan. That was 1980.

But is she looking at it like Kathleen Kennedy where they're looking at like Matt Reeves, where he came in like, I've got an idea for a Batman story. I don't care about anything else. I don't want to touch Superman. I don't want your Wonder Woman. they are, but that doesn't work for Star Wars right now. I know that, but if that's what he did, he's like, I've got a Star Wars story that I've been dying to tell us. That's what Tyga did.

It's not going to fit what we're doing right now. And Linda Lough, same thing. I don't know. But that's the point, Mike. They're not saying that at all because they don't know what they're doing right now, especially in movies. We haven't had a Star Wars movie since 2019. And Robert Ryan Burnett brought this up to the day on Campy Show. And he said that this is one of the biggest franchises that Disney has right now.

And they haven't had a movie because Rise of Skywalker, they are so scared to prove. To put something out right now because if they put out a wet fart for their next one, the fans are just going to go enough with this. It dovetails back to what we were saying about Andor and the ratings. It's a travesty that the show's not getting ready. I'm going to get into that in the second. Yeah, I want to talk about that.

You know, I'll just jump into that story. That was a segue I was doing there. It was a good story. But it just, it's the point of like, this is the best Star Wars has been in so long, but they're never going to do another show like this. Right. I don't think that's true.

They're like, there's no lightsabers. There's no force. There's no Jedi. Rating sucked. We need them back. I don't know. Let's see. I'm going to go into this actual story. This is the Andor story where our good buddy Miguel Fernandez actually reported on this. Let me let me find it. No one way out is what it was. One way out was such a great episode. But let's see. Okay. Ander struggles with ratings and audience demand is the report here from Star Wars News Net from our buddy Miguel Fernandez. And this is his article. While Ander has been exceeding expectations in terms of critical reception being highly praised as the.

best Star Wars show by far, by many outlets and fans alike, the show has admittedly been struggling with the ratings and having a true impact on pop culture like shows as the Mandalorian. An initial study posted by an analyst from Parrot Analytics on social media in October showed that the audience demand for Andor when compared to everything else streaming today was almost negligible next to the previous Star Wars series. The initial graphic was incorrect and the numbers were significantly higher, though they were still behind shows like Obi-1 Canobi in the book of BobaFet. New data published by Parodalytics concerning the audience demand for streaming content

between October 15th to 21st with respect to the average. Streaming show underlines that the numbers are going up, but they still aren't quite as high as one is hoped. Check the data below. It's an interesting note, and perhaps even concerning, that the Mandalorian is almost more in demand than Andor, even when it's been two years without a new episode of the former, while the latter is airing right now. Looking closely at the left graphic, though, we can see the middle.

that Game of Thrones almost doubles House of the Dragons demand. It's not a direct comparison between both IPs, but we can definitely draw some parallels. It's almost important to remark that this is not a viewership graphic, and instead a reflection of how much people are talking about it online about each one of these series, from social media posts or news coverage to a number of legal and illegal downloads. In terms of ratings, we have data published by Nielsen from the first three weeks,

and or was in release, and the charts do confirm that fewer people are watching. Not only that, but the number of minutes streamed goes down each week. Let's see. You can see these charts on Miguel's article at Star Wars Newsnet. It's also worth considering the fact that Ander might not play with the rewatchability factor that other shows like The Mandalorian did.

Being more adult show than previous Star Wars series might also turn off the younger audience in the house, but that might not be reflected by these charts as adults and kids likely watch the Mandalorian at the same time. However, the show's nature of being less space opera and more political thriller might also turn away some Star Wars adult audiences who have been who have come to expect something different from a galaxy far far away so we get a slightly more complete picture of how the Nielsen ratings compared to previous Star Wars shows they have two graphics that they show on the let's see and and or has three episodes left from season one I guess two now the 10th air and this is

the other article um okay this is a fantastic article yeah fantastic by Miguel um and I agree with them I think that the reason why they're down I think the I do take my head and slam it into the desk every time I see someone right, this is so it's boring. Slow, I'll give you. It's slow. Boring, just stop. Just stop watching. Stop.

Don't even talk about it anymore. Don't watch it anymore. You don't get it. And it's fine. If you think it's boring, it's the farthest thing from boring. If you watch this last episode and you think this show is boring, then just watch people shoot each other and go boom, boom, boom, boom. What I love about this show is the fact that you can't go, you know what, I get it.

It picks up an episode. four and really goes off from there. It's been like this since the beginning. And you had said, it's like, if after episode one, you're not into the show, looking back, if you after episode one... I'd say episode three because it's the arc. It's the arc, though. But I remember watching one and two, and I'm going, oh, this needs to pick up real fast.

Yeah. But then it goes back four, five, and six. Four, five is slow again. Absolutely. So just the show's not for you. But that's why I say watch the first three because it's consistent with how they do it and within the tone of going that jab hook, uppercut. Yeah.

But it's like, again, I'll give you a slow burn. I'm not going to dispute that with anybody. Boring, you don't know the definition of the word. And when it comes down to that last episode, I mean, that's just about as suspenseful and brilliant writing as you get. I do agree with Miguel that it absolutely, a younger audience. Now, I will say that I would understand how the show could be boring to a 10-year-old. Sure.

I understand that completely. So let me retract that. If a 10-year-old is writing on here, a 10-year-old is coming back, and a 10-year-old says, this show is boring to me. I understand. You're dumb. No, I get it. I understand.

I understand. I understand. I would understand that because they haven't really gone through, like the conversations and the writing, you're not listening to it. Like right now, I've been raving about dark, like the show on Netflix. I'm raving. I got Steph hooked on it now. And the writing on that show, now you got to, it's subtitles, right?

And it's in German. You have to watch it, and you got to pay attention to it. And it's a thinking person show. There's no doubt. about it. It's not for everybody, but it's a fantastic show, and it's a farthest thing from boring. Now, if it's not for you, that's another question. Someone doesn't like a show. It doesn't mean that they're wrong. You just don't like the show. And just to say boring, though, come on, let's talk about, use a different word. But have we reached the point in pop

culture, especially with these shows, where it needs to be for everybody? What if we make a show that's not for everybody? I see that so many times where people the argument, as like, guess what? This show just wasn't for you. And as a studio, you don't have to make it for everybody. We don't have to appease every. Like a movie, a billion dollar franchise, you've got to do a four quadrant. You need to old people, young people. You got to get everybody. But shows like this, I think it allows that like, hey man, we didn't make the show for you. Like, and I say this, I was, you know, nothing invested in it, but the show the terminal list. Very right-leaning, made for the military venue. And they'd said that. It's like, we made this for the people that are

former for veterans. This is them. If you're you know, sensibilities leaning anti-war and whatnot, this show's not for you. Right. You know, and Amazon didn't get pushback on that for saying that because every piece of content that comes out doesn't need to be made for everyone. I hear what you're saying and I understand you're saying

it's just it's harder to Because it's Star Wars. Absolutely. And it's on Disney. And I think we're at that turning point we got to go and Disney needs to back this and keep making shows like this going we we're going to have the kid shows. We're going to have Skeleton Crew and the animated. This is our anime. adult corner. Well, you know, and it's funny, I didn't even put the graphic on here because I did a, because Brett and I talked about it on Monday, but they announced the accolite cast. Yeah. Well, yeah, we, Steph and I were like, Christian's got to be happy. Absolutely, because they're acknowledging that the show exists finally. It was an official. It was an official. We knew people like, oh, see, it's happening. We knew it was going to happen. Yeah. But we just didn't know. We wanted the official. We wanted Star Wars and Lucasfilm to announce that it was happening. And they did. The one that stood out to me because this whole entire cast was leaked pretty much, except Carrienne Moss.

That was not... Or was that announced... Not, not she just recently cast. Maybe. It seems like that was a recent edition. Maybe, but it was... I never heard anything about it. But the reason I bring that up off of your point,

if you look at what Leslie Helen has done with, let's say, with Russian doll. Now, Brett watches the show and you tell me, like, there's definitely humor in it, right? But it's a darker show, for sure. You would assume and watching, because they just started filming, you would assume that she's going to go,

especially what the content is, This could be a darker show, right? It absolutely could be. It could be. And I hope it is. The Obi-1 and Boba-Fet, like, almost, like, animated thing like the, like, I don't ever want to see a scene, like, that layer running through the woods ever again. I never want to see the Vespa gang.

Like that type. Like that type. Right. I think that. But it fits in Star Wars and it has a place because there are people that do like it. Go ahead, stuff. I don't know if a lot of people like that specific scene, but I think the article was actually excellent. I thought a lot of good points were brought up. What I don't think we're talking about,

though, is the time at which Andor came out. For me, as both a Marvel and Star Wars fan, the shows haven't been that great. Like, I've liked a lot of, I love a lot of them, but they're not like must watch. I'm telling everyone. Mandelorian must. Yeah, Mandelorian was. I'm saying in the past year, I loved Miss Marvel. It's not for everyone. I liked a lot of the Marvel series. There are a lot of them warrant for everyone. Yeah. I had a hard time getting through Moon night. Me too.

Some of Obi-1 was okay. Some of Bobafet was okay. A lot of people already signed that and delivered that they weren't going to watch Andor. Because of this. Yeah, because, well, you're right. Obi-1 was so hyped up.

And there's a lot of good stuff in Obi-Wan. We all agree on that, right? But overall, if you were looking the way that we, you go back and you look at us talking about Obi-Won, we thought there was going to be the best thing since. Empire. Empire. As far as- We were dead set.

because we thought that the tone that they were going to set was similar to what they were doing with Andor. And then the fact that Andor comes out and delivers this way because you could say, I could see what people are Saradonna. When you watch some of the stuff that happens in Obi-Wan, it's embarrassing some of the stuff. Some of the stuff's great. Some of the fights are great, but some like that,

the flea stuff and like a lot of just ridiculous things happen. It was even talking about it, which will come out tomorrow for a big thing. Like, I think that the character of Riva was, you know, it was not fair to the actress wasn't no because you could have given her like they did like an inquisitor show you look at like we're talking about with the acolyte yeah that's a story we know nothing about we just know it takes place like a hundred years beforehand but we know nothing about it we just know the cast is coming in so there's nothing to hold it against and there's no story that we're hoping to see because we don't know what it is it's fresh

similar to and or we just knew and or was in it but we didn't know what the story was so we accepted the story when you hear obiwan and where it's going to be and they pitch it with that in the trailer is the, you know, the duel of the fates and all that. You're expecting the battle and you're expecting the turmoil. And then they introduced this new character to get introduced to. And in the middle of this battle, she's fighting Uncle Owen and Amperry, like, wrap it up. We don't care. We don't care.

And it has nothing to do with her. It has to do with the bad writing. It was bad writing. It's the Boba Fett, like, he's going to be a gangster. Let's be the godfather's face. Yes. Yes. It wasn't that.

You lose the trust. And so the time in which. The goodwill you lose. Not only is it a property that is already attached to Rogue One and New Hope, we know what happens. It's also characters that a lot of people don't know about. There's no lightsabers. And it's coming off the heels of these shows a lot of people didn't like.

So it's hard and it's incredible that it's doing what it's doing. It is. And I think that the other thing, though, people also, the difference between, like you mentioned, great point before with movies. You get one shot. You get the opening weekend. You got a score big on that opening weekend. With all four quadrants.

With everything. You got to score big. Andrew's going to live on Disney Plus for ever. Yeah. So people can go back. I mean, look at like Battlestar Galactic. Sure. Oh, I didn't discover that until DVD.

That's what I'm saying. So Andor is going to be a show that more people are going to start talking about and more people start watching it. I do also agree very much so with Miguel that it's not a rewatchable show all the way. I'm going to watch rewatch it once it. I'll watch this before I'll watch Obi-One again or a bit of effect. Probably. Same.

Absolutely. Same. I'll just go back for certain things. certain moments in Obi-Wan, but the overall story, it just seemed like a, it seemed like something that could have been animated. Yeah. More so than live action. I also think Disney needs to build the trust back because this show is built for people who loved Severance, people who loved House of the Dragon. Real television. Real, like, real stuff. So, like, when you get people like that to start going back to Disney Plus, I think a lot of those people aren't opening Disney Plus right

now because they just got all those shows. And they're like, oh, and I will say this. And the other thing is that wasn't mentioned in the article that I think is the main thing is the casual fan. I think the casual fan hears Obi-Wan Kenobi and goes, oh yeah, sure, I'll check that out. You hear Andor? You might not know what that is. You might not even know that is. You might not even

clearly like that character is. I do this all the time. I'm going to try to call my friend John Pinto, who never picks up. Well, let me see. Hold on a second. Okay, that means I'm going to call John Pindon. I'm going to see if he, I'm just going to ask him if he's either watching or has heard of it. I'm sure

heard of it at this point because it's been on the air but as it was coming out i don't know let's see he never picks up so i don't think we're even going to have to worry about this come on pinto let's see he never picks up he's working at this point never picks up during the day when i'm trying to shoot my brother started watching me at nothing from pinto people didn't know pinto picked up one time doesn't matter with him yeah i'm not sure a show we're trying to do here make it funny oh all right so no Pinto. But my point is that the casual fan overall, not watching it, right? Now, I don't think so. I'm so curious, like the hardcore Star Wars fan, I think, is watching it. Of course. People are circle that we, the film and Twitter. The, like the purists, we got Dorino, Ariana to like this.

She thinks this is like the best since Empire Strikes Factor. Right of Perala. Yeah, she's like, this is putting me back as a Star Wars fan. And I've seen so many like purists like that who are like, I only like the trilogy and the trilogy made me who I am. am, but I'm not touching this new stuff. Yeah. They love Andor. Because it's, because it's detailed. It's smart.

It's well written. It's a real, it's like the first. And again, I still think, Mandalorian's still my favorite. Mandalorian, to me, connects all the stuff inside of Star Wars that I really love. But I'm also not going to pretend that it's a better written show. Yeah. No, with Mando, like for me, it's, it gives me the Saturday morning vibes of Star Wars.

Yes. But also, but also the mythology with the Mando. Mandalorian and the code, like all that is so, again, I'm still in my Clone Wars rewatch, so it's all new to me and all exploring that. So it's the Star Wars universe as a whole, but it's also Saturday morning, not cartoons, but Saturday morning cliffhangers. I know what you mean. I know what you mean.

The serializing what Star Wars is what Star Wars was supposed to be. Yeah. So it gives me both. I do think that the Mandalorian fits more into George Lucas's overall vision of what Star Wars was. Yeah. I don't disagree with that. If anybody said that, I think. Absolutely it does.

I just think that there's something, this is the kind of evolution, and there's the kind of evolution of Star Wars that I wish we would see more of. Things need to evolve for them to grow. Yes. You can't keep doing this. Like, we tried that with the sequel trilogy

to honor George and do the exact same thing that George did. And you copy it and went, and even George said he's like, you gotta grow everything I've done before. You've done all this. That's awful. I know it's awful. Favreau said it best without directly taking a shot

at J.J. A. and everybody else, but he kind of did without meaning to. And he said, and I quoted it on the show a thousand times, so make it a thousand and one. And that's we, like, a lot of times people, whether they try to do an homage to George Lucas and we're not trying to do an homage to Star Wars. We're trying to do the stuff that aspired Star Wars. And that's why I think the Nalorian works. Now, I think that they missed the mark with Boba Fett.

And I think that they, but I think that they made the same mistake of what we were talking about like before with like Sean Levy, right, or the director situation. I think they gave that to Robert Rodriguez and said, hey, and I think that, and I think You said it. Like, it's like they're playing with their toys in the, in the backyard and go and make the thing that you wanted to make. Like, make your toys. And it's like, well, no, you pitched a gangster story. Yeah.

You told us this is going to be, in your interviews, you're talking Godfather, you're talking Goodfellas. Where's that? Yeah, it doesn't enhance the galaxy. All it did was just make a show about Boba. You needed to get a director involved with that, that he's known for, and I'm not, not Scorsese, but. I know what you mean, like crime or something. Something we've done the soprano. or something or someone that worked in

Terrence Winter or something on the wire like get these guys that are in that world and do what Tony Gilroy's love of like watching the born films you know that man loves the genre he's a big spy three you can tell he loves the genre pitched the spy throw that in there so when you're doing a gangster

you got Boba Fett he's gonna be a crime lord who are the top directors writers working with genre mobsters how did they have godfather in the background and think that that was godfather I don't know. Because a guy sitting at a table lording over people. The generalization of that.

That's one scene. I know, but that's a generalization. You throw a concept art of like, there's Bobafin at the table with the throne. You know what it is? And the underlings. The godfather.

I think that Tony Gilroy carries a kind of weight. And so does Favreau. But I think that Tony Gilroy is not going to break on certain things. Because Favro is a massive Star Wars fan. Gilroy is not, right? Gilroy's going to look. I want to do a spy thriller in the world of Star Wars. I want to make a good show.

I want to continue over the characters that I have. I have a great time. take for it. I really am invested in it and this is what I want to do and I go it's Gilroy. We'll see what he did. I think that Favro was pretty much saying we wanted this gangster story and like, ah, you can't go that dark. You can't go that deep. All right, well, maybe we'll switch it. Maybe he's redeemed. We have a character. Dyn's kind of like him already. So what if we kind of redeem him and he had this whole thing with this storm, with the with the sand people? No. Make him a, if you would have had, like when he walked into the end of Mandalorian season two

and just whacked Bibb Fortuna. Yeah. Oh, that's the show? I am. That show never happened. The guy that came at the beginning, he's like, you know what? I want to do Star Wars with Boba Fett. I want to do dance with wolves. Right. Go. Commit.

Commit. Go for that. That's the series. Make you dance with wolves Star Wars show. Hell yeah. If the series was Boba Fett, getting out of the Starlight pit, has this whole thing, is the whole adventure is him having to deal with something else and not the gangster story. Fine, but don't pitch it.

He was never a dancer. The Tuscan stuff with him was great. But you know, the good news is we know, I am BobaFet. Yeah, you are. You definitely Bobafet. You've told this minute. Yeah. But I will also say, ladies and gentlemen,

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what am I going to do listen to this show because they give you such a good deep background of it and it's one of the things I like about the show sometimes only like three four minute five minute little deep dives this is a full podcast full of deep dive so go check that out um all right let's switch on over and I want to get to bringing back that's a different totally different hello a different break um so if we have the director sean levy so there is another story that this is my This is kind of my overall point. Could this be Sean Levy down the line? Here's a story that broke, again, from Star Wars Newsnet.

J.D. Dillard was announced a while ago, and I had even forgotten. I liked it. I forgot about that, too. And then remember what we talked about on this show? Yeah. And so when one door opens, another one shuts. Shortly, after news got out that Sean Levy would be doing a Star Wars movie. It's been confirmed by J.D. Dillard that he will no longer be making his Star Wars movie for undisclosed reasons.

joins Patty Jenkins, joins Lord and Miller, joins Garrett, joins everybody. His project was initially reported in February 2020 with hardly any word of it since, and now we know why. Back in February 2020, the Hollywood reporter claimed that J.D. Dillard and Matt Owens would be working on an upcoming Star Wars movie of some kind, with it being unclear if the movie was set to be theatrical or an offering for Disney Plus. After that, there were virtually no updates on this whatsoever, and Dillard would go on to work on a Netflix adaptation of the long-running manga,

one piece for Netflix. Not so surprising that after nearly three years of total silence on the project, it's been revealed that Dillard Star Wars movie is no longer happening, nor will he be directing the planned legacy sequel to The Rocketeer for Disney Plus. So he looks like he'd had a following out with Disney altogether.

Talking with the rap about the upcoming World War II fighter pilot movie devotion, J.D. explained that his movie wouldn't be going forward for unspecified reasons. My Star Wars movie is unfortunately no longer a thing. It was not for lack of trying. While he did not go into, his movie would be about. He mentioned that his love of Star Wars owes itself to his love of the

Thai Fighter simulator video game, which he was first introduced to the franchise. I'm playing this game for months, and my dad's flying it with me, and I'm like, man, this game is just so cool, and he's like, well, you know, this game comes from a series of movies. And I was like, you're kidding me. That's where I watched Star Wars for the first time and realized the full scoop of what meant to world build, because I've been playing this pseudo-16-bit game. Dillard made a cameo as one of the stormtroopers in the rise of Skywalker, specifically FN1-226, one of the two stormtroopers that Ray uses a Jedi mind trick on. Remains the scene and whether we'll see him again in a galaxy far, far away. Here's, this is kind of the point, right? Yeah. So he had a pitch, something

that he wanted to make, something that he really wanted, whether it was tie fighters, whatever it was, and they said, oh, that's a great pitch, you've been working on this, you do it that, great, you got a movie. And it's like, and then they couldn't agree on it. There's no plan. It's the same thing. There's no plan. land to it. So it's like a court that it's going to keep happening unless they say we are we have these here. And it's not to say that if they have a series of ideas of what they want to go that people won't drop out. I mean, this happened. Patty Jenkins dropped out of Thor, uh, Dark World, right? Um, we had, we had, we had Derrickson walk out of the second Doctor Strange. It happens. But the reason why is because

they stuck to their guns as far as where they're going on the storytelling. The rumor was that Derrickson didn't want to do the multiverse, but then he, then he denied that. But either way, you know, And even when Edgar Wright was originally on Antman, he was attached to it before the MCU was the thing. So when the MCU started to pull, you know, really into it, he's like, I want to do my thing. Like, yeah, well, we can't do that. We have a plan.

We need you to stick to it. He's like, I'm good. I'm out. Totally fine. That's what they need to start doing. Now, maybe that's what they're doing. That's why JD walked. I don't know.

But I don't know. Steph, it's just the same problem over and over. Yeah, it's like deja vu every time. The fact that we forgot Dillard was going to be on a project is wild that they announced someone as big as. Well, he didn't, they didn't announce. It was reported again. But it's like, that's the thing. They're not announcing it to be fair to them.

But it doesn't take away the fact that he was set to do one. Yeah. And it's showing what, like a little look into what their meetings look like and how they're just signing on things without. Yeah, you made a great point earlier that I hadn't thought about it like that. It's like when you have a project like Black Panther, they have the project they want, then they bring on. cougler. That's a great approach. It should be the approach. Yeah. Because it's just like, okay, we know, like, I don't understand. Here's the thing. They have the, this is why, this is why I was bang the drum with the, with the, with the books.

Yeah. Let's say they were going to do a whole series and a whole thing of the old republic. And they were going to do a thing where they're going to set up the Knights Old Republic. And what they want to do is they want to start off with a movie. All right, we have a movie. We have the screenerrides. We have the overall take that we want to do. We brought in Filoni and we brought in and we have the structure of what we want to do with it. And we want to leave that into a series. You know what we're going to do? Now we're going to bring in, I'm just bringing it up because it's the first name.

Sean, hey, Sean, we have this idea of we're going to jump kick or jump start the whole old Republic era and we want to do it with this movie. Do you think this is a take that you could do? Well, yeah, I'll come back in. Let me say, this is what I want to do? Great. Sean Levy's on. We got him for it.

Hey, Lindeloff, guess what we're going to do? After we get through this, we're going to do this series, but after the series, we want to catapult that into this, this character that we have that Sean's developing inside of this treatment. And we really think that this character is going to pop and we want to tell their story and we want you to direct that second movie and here's the treatment that is going to play into it

but we got to wait after we set up this and TV show. Then it's like, okay, I have my pieces in place. I got Levy directed in this one, I got the series and I have so-and-so show run it, going back to your point earlier, of who is going to be, like, who's got that feel, someone who's done an epic show

or someone who produces a Rome or someone from Game of Thrones. and work that out and then coordinate that with it and have an overall plan as opposed to, well, yeah, that pitch was great. Let's do a thing about Jow's. Can you imagine if they did an entire show about Jowahs? But that's my point.

If someone like Del Toreo came in and said, I want to do a Jawa movie, well, Del Turo came in and everybody loves Deltoro. Let's do a Deltoro movie. You pick the one director I do think can pull off a Jolla. Of course he could. You wanted to do a job of the Hutt thing for a movie. Of course he would, but it's like, they don't have a...

Yeah, there's no plan. It's someone cool. Let's give it to them. Facts. Yeah. It's almost to the point where you relate to Star Wars or MCU, we've got the plan. You need directors that will kind of take a, let their vision take a backseat to the overall plan, knowing that if I do a Star Wars film and it's a hit, I'll go and write my own ticket outside of this. A lot of directors, and Kooler was, I think, to me, with the MCU, the, you're here, you're here, you're here,

So many directors come in, and I forgot who was on Blackwood or before. She's like, yeah, they said, I don't know action. Like, oh, don't worry, we got whole people to handle the action stuff. And she's like, no, if I'm doing this film, I want to do it all. And she walked. Coogler, whatever he was able to bring out. I think it had a lot to do with the personal story of him as a man of color. Of course.

Coming going, all right, I get where you're going, but I'm going to bring this whole world to it. Absolutely. Everyone else, like Anna Bowden and Ryan Fleck directed Captain Marvel. A billion dollar film. What have they done since? Right. You couldn't. They're not brought back for the next one either. Well, I don't, yeah. I mean, who knows? Who knows what to do?

So it's, it's, these directors that come in, they're very, everyone that's gone, well, no, everyone that's come in, they seem like they're not these random directors we've never heard of before. Like, you know, so, like, Sean Lee was well known before Star Wars. Tycoe Wittiti, Patty Jenkins. Who doesn't want to do a Star Wars movie? Right. But they're also very much like, I'm a filmmaker. I've made hits. Right. I'm going to do what I want to do.

But they're like, well, we're doing what we got to do. And they're like, got to go. See, you want to see you. Yeah, but see, that's the thing. I don't know. I don't know what the hell's going on. That's what I'm saying. But that's also why there's not, you're not going to see another Star Wars movie right now.

I don't know when. I mean, let's say. They start tomorrow. No chance. Yeah. But no. Even if they did, even if they started pre-production, because they have Linda Lof who's working on it right now, right? So let's say it's his movie that's the next one, which I think is going to be the next one.

And they start shooting, let's say, like you said, let's say they have some kind of script and they start shooting tomorrow. You'd probably get the movie then in 2024. Yes. Yeah, two years. That's if you start shooting. That's not a, and that's not a heavy effects film either. That's a, well, I don't know.

It depends on what you're saying. You're saying if you have the heavy effects. I'm saying if you're doing a film version of Andor. With everything in your right. Everything put together when everything signs up and casting and all that. It should, if you want it to be really good, you're looking at two and a half to three years. Minimum. Look at the Batman.

Minimum 2025 is when we're getting that. And they knew right away we're going. The whole team is involved. They're like, we're going. We knew we're getting a green one. It's also a different situation because of what's going on Warner Brothers, new leadership.

Sure, sure, sure, sure. But still, three years, minimum, I would say. Yeah. So you're looking at a minimum of three years. So we're not getting that Tyca thing, that Ryan Johnson thing. Mike's going to direct a movie before Ryan Johnson. I will. Ryan Johnson's with Netflix for a long time.

Right. Exactly. Tycus film's not happening. I'm saying that right now. I don't think it is either. I think he'll do, no, I don't think so.

I think he'll be doing, I think he'll be doing more TV, Star Wars for them for sure. I think he's going to kind of go back to doing more of his own thing. As he should. Yeah, he's a voice.

He's a director that we need a voice. He's a Kevin Smith person that knows what he is. He's got such a great voice. His comic timing, what he brings, you know, all the stuff he does. We don't need a Tyca Star Wars movie.

Go do more original stuff out there, man. Original, do it. I agree. So, you know, the guy likes money too. He just married Rita. He's got to keep the wifey happy. Rita, Ora.

Oh. But either way, man, I don't think we see that, I don't think we see a Star Wars movie. Let's say Linda Loff. I think they start shooting maybe at the end of next year. 2020. So I say we see a, we can potentially see a movie in 2025, 2026. Oh, I'm going to be above 30. That's when you're going to do it.

You're going to do Star Wars. That's when you're going to get a Star Wars movie. But you will get... Towers Television, which is awesome. You're going to get tons of Star Wars, too. So anyway, look, there's so much that we talked about. And there's probably some stuff that we left out too. And or leave your thoughts on the series overall,

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