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Episode Date: November 23, 2022

Andor Episode 12 dropped and we discuss it in full. How did it pan out? Did it deliver? What say you? A new report by Jeff Sneider says that Star Wars has a plan for films moving forward. What does it mean? Kathleen Kennedy is rumored to be leaving Lucasfilm after Indiana Jones comes out in June. Do we believe it? This and more on today's Sith Council with Kristian, Steph and Mike! #Andor #Movies #starwars #kathleenkennedy #iger ESTABLISHED TITLES: They are now running a Black Friday Sale. Go to https://establishedtitles.com/BIGTHING and get an additional 10% off on any purchase with code BIGTHING. Thanks to Established Titles for sponsoring this video! OUR MERCH STORE IS LIVE: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/the-big-thing-kh-channel?ref_id=27393 AMAZON WISHLIST: https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/1KPH42T0TP0PG?ref=cm_sw_em_r_un_un_djbxgIW5ZQMMg PATREON: http://www.patreon.com/thebigthingshow SCHMOEDOWN ARCHIVE CHANNEL: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheMovieTriviaSchmoedownArchives Ask Kristian questions for next time! https://facebook.com/harloff Become a Patreon of the Schmoedown: http://patreon.com/schmoedown OTHER GREAT CONTENT: REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT368qY7sfE0nKE4c04CqGvu TV REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT1LU-t2Z9AD5UJDiWW4pS_E STAR WARS SHOW https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT0XmfpbblkF9PY7uO2qhbN6 THE BIG THING PODCAST https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT3KAwbzDsv6mdR-gwUiydQg FOLLOW KRISTIAN + FIND HIM ON CAMEO https://cameo.com/kristianharloff https://twitter.com/kristianharloff https://facebook.com/harloff https://instagram.com/kristianharloff Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We are one day away from Thanksgiving. So thank you very much for coming on in and joining us on this finale discussion for Andor, man. What a season it was. And we'll talk about it in depth. Full spoilers, obviously with myself, Mike and Steph. And because of the holiday for audio listeners, you're not going to really, it's not going to make a difference. But for people watching, we're doing a remote.

I'm the only one in studio today. but Mike and Steph will be joining me in just a moment. We'll be talking about Andor, the finale. So again, full spoilers. There's rumors now that Bob Eiger is in. Everyone's saying that Kathleen Kennedy is not going to extend past her contract. Is it or maybe, no, actually, excuse me, or might be leaving in the summertime.

True, false. Jeff Snyder on John Roker's show the other day, broke a scoop and said that they have the next, five years of movies planned out or within the next five years they're going to start really mapping out their plan so we'll get into that report for sure there's some other things man you got the fact that they're going to ramp up that slate in next five years that's that's interesting john caston said that he wants to do a solo sequel yeah me too no not really of course he wants to do it but i don't know we'll see we'll talk about that also that and more

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That's it. It's the finale. I got Steph. Hello. Yo, yo, yo. Man, you had a low-key entrance there today. You're all right? The energy was?

Yeah. I can't see it. I can't see it. Normally, I can see it. You can't see it? Well, I mean, I can't, like, you know, I'm not in the room. I don't feel the energy. Laxadaisical.

Just chill today, huh? What's up? I don't think that's the word. Lexidazical. That's a word. Yes, it's a word, but I don't think it's the appropriate word. Eh. All right.

It means there's no effort. Teach their own. Shut the hell up. There it is. Nice, nice hair. Welcome back, everybody, to the show. And we're going to be talking about Andorpe and the, not just the finale, obviously, which we'll get in depth with, but we'll also talk about this series as a whole. We'll go into these other stories that I mentioned up top.

But, Steph, let's start with you, man. What did you think of the finale? Did it deliver the way you hoped it would? And what's the quality of your video? What's happening? Is it bad? We pixelized. Oh, no.

Oh, no. But I can hear you. Oh, no. They don't want me to talk about my favorite show of the year, which I can now say that it's over in full. This is, it was exceptional finale. It did everything I needed it to do and more.

I just like, I'm so happy with my life that I live in a time that this show came out. I really am. Talk about gratitude on Thanksgiving week. This is one of my talk. It delivered. It delivered and then some. Mike,

how did you feel about the, the episode? I liked it. Well, not lausidazical. Yeah. Okay, fair enough. But I'll give you my honest reaction.

The minute the final credit, or not the final, the first credit popped up. Yeah, I was, no, not the post credit. Just the first fade to black title card. I was like, that's it. I knew this was going to be not a big wrap, like a wrap up. Like we kind of talked like, it, Ferrix is going to be done. We knew that. Yeah.

Yeah. But I just felt that it felt like every other Disney plus show, like they had so much to wrap up. And it felt like, we got to tie up everyone's loose end to continue. So like everyone got the little vignette. But I feel like if you knew you were getting a second season, I don't think you needed to do all that. It's hard to explain.

I kind of hear you. It got exactly what we knew it was going to do. Farik's big battle. Cassian's kind of galvan. into the rebellion. Yeah. Like it hit all the notes, but it's like, like, everyone got their little beat to do it.

We knew who everyone was and wrapped up. And it just like, I felt, I felt a little rushed on like, especially the mom-mothma stuff. I'm like, she was just like, I'm not selling my daughter off and the next time we see her. She did. I can understand. I think it's a good point with her.

And then the husband's like, you've been, you've been, you're gambling. You're gambling. So that's how she's explained the 400 million credits or whatever are gone. So it's like, they just kind of rushed that with her. I liked it, but it felt so rushed. It was like the last time we saw her. she wasn't doing it now she's selling off the you know throwing him under the bus and the wife

they're showing up for the thing it just felt like hey we got to wrap this up here we go i think that the point of the mon mothma i think is is valid i think that we from what we saw of her last time where she didn't really want to do it and they haven't built into it as much to where she finally just i mean i guess the last episode with val she was like she val said to her she's like you're not thinking about doing it's like i listen i got to make a lot of sacrifices so i think that was kind of the lead up to it. I don't think it was as rushed as you're making that to be. I definitely think it was rushed in a way. Maybe you could have had another scene or two, but I like to mention a canto bite, even though I hate that part of the movie, but I like,

but I like the mention of it because it ties everything together and you kind of, like, if you want to go be in a gambling schmuck, go do it on canto bike. Get the hell out of here. You're an embarrassment. And everybody's listening in on the conversation and it plays into it. But what I really liked, I loved the episode. And the reason I love the episode also is what I said is that what this show has done very well is that it's been predictability sometimes on purpose, meaning you all know that that prison break is going to happen in the third episode of that arc. You just know it's going to happen, but you're on your seat kind of wondering, how is it going to happen?

The same thing goes for, you knew there was going to be an uprising on Ferrex in this episode. You just wondered, how would it be an uprising? So the way that they played it and the way that it all tied together is what was so satisfying to me because and or even though he is the main character of the show and had a lot to do, he's not the main focus of the, he's every time there's a big action piece or there's a big thing. He's not always the one who has to be in charge of it. It wasn't about that. It was about his mom saying, rise up against these scumbags. You knew Fiona Shaw was going to have another moment. She had to. And poor Pispot finally, you know, is, Yeah, piss pot. He's all upset and saying, oh, you're finally back. I'm going to get to say hello. He's like, I know, but I just, I rescued Bix here and now it's on you. Let me say this.

And again, it might seem like I didn't like it, but I didn't. And every time I'm kind of not on the fence, but you know, critical of episode, it's leaps and bounds above any other show. Like, so the fact that I'm having issues with it is not saying I don't like it. It is, it's, it's least strongest episode is better than 90, percent of the television shows I watch, if that makes any sense. Yeah, you know what you're saying. There's other episodes in this.

Like if we were to pick our favorites of this episode, this is not it for me. Yeah, but I think Steph, to me, the reason why it plays so well is that I think that more so than any other show, it really plays like a full 11-hour film and concludes with a big wrap up overall that if you watch this, if you had, you know, the 12 episode, uh, however many hours it's going to take you to watch those 12 episodes. It's going to be satisfying because of the way it's set up in episode one with Ferrix and how it closes out and everybody kind of gets out and these things that wrap up and little things, little conversations that are happened without.

But what did you take away from it? Yeah, I actually, the reason that I just think it was a perfect finale for the specific show is that Tony Gilroy is clearly, he's made it clear that he's not like following any sort of Star Wars thing that we've seen before. And no patterns are being followed like we've seen in the past with other Star Wars movies and shows. And the point of this was to show like fascism rising and kind of just the human experience from all these different people.

Like even from Sinta to Andor, they have completely different, even though they're fighting on the same team, there's a different ideology. There's a different reason for why they're fighting this fight. And every character has a different reason for why they got into the fight, why they got out of the fight, or why they are on the imperial side. And that's why I'm not bothered with showing every character because it's just like puts the punctuation mark at the end of this beautiful essay that he's presented of how different humans are going to react in times like this. Yeah. And I wonder, you know, you mentioned Sinta, by the way. I think she had one of the strongest episodes for her so far.

Like what she did and like she still. I mean, Val's still like, hey, didn't say hello when you picked me up the airport. She's like, what are you talking about? We have so much more important stuff to worry about. And I'm, I'm like trailing this guy from the ISB. And you're talking about how I didn't say hello. Give me a break. It's like I'm doing, and she's following this guy the whole time.

And the only thing with that guy, by the way, the guy who's been like kind of undercover throughout the ISB guy who's undercover who finally, you know, gets, gets shanked by. Yeah, yeah. at the end. The only thing with him, how undercover is he when the one guy is like, hey, arrest me, arrest me, you know, and then he arrests him. It's like, how does he arrest him? He's supposed to be undercover as a, as a member of, as a member of, he. He's like, arrest me. He's like, didn't he just blow his cover? No, that part. I was like, huh. Is he over the cover? Yeah. Right. And then, but either way.

And then you go into what Dejro's doing in this one. She's starting to lose it a little bit because she's getting drunk with power, right? She's running around. She even has that conversation where and you, I think, Mike, I don't know if you said it last week, but we asked if we were going to see the, what's his face get captured or have the, or get set up, right? And we don't. The, what's the guy's name that Saul was like? Oh, Anton Krieger? Krieger. We didn't, we didn't see Krieger.

Well, like, okay, so the thing I was, like, not against in this episode, but also what I kind of love, it kind of, I'm kind of torn on it was the fact that we build up the Anton Krieger and we talked about, is he going to be a. big actor. It happened off screen. The whole capture of his vessel in the fight, but I'm in the middle of a BORN rewatch. And so Tony Gilroy, very heavily involved with the BORN films. And a lot of that stuff does happen,

especially with Born in the later films, it's off screen, the people dealing with him, like all the suits and the CIA where the actions happening. So it's very reminiscent of how he handles spy stuff, but it didn't bother me. I was like,

I really want to see them captured and who Anton Krieger is, but that's not a big part. part of the story and we don't need to see it. So it's like it didn't bother me either because I thought we were going to see it, but it didn't bother me because it wasn't necessary because he Luthen told us exactly how he was going to handle it. And that's how he handled. He's like, he's got to be set up. And they and what they did, I thought that was the point of it was Dedra calling in saying, hey, I would have liked to have been informed. Yeah, I know. You would have

liked him informed, but you weren't. And she's like, you know, but the, we could have had some live bodies there he's like yeah i know but we don't so go figure out how to do it and she's like okay and then you get creepy cyril who's been looking after the whole time and because he's looking after her you know he saves her and you have the moment step did you think they were gonna go to town on each other in that broom closet oh my god yes yes first of all i was like i really you know i she's like my number one public enemy right now i wanted her to die but i was like okay like they're not going to have someone going out by being beaten to death in the streets i think that's a little further than tony gilroy was going to be willing to push it i think we got like almost there like the fact

that she was even getting dragged i was like oh and her's putting his andrew's putting his blaster to people's chest and popping them like they do in a born yeah no it was so the culmination of it was so sick but when she was like breathing heavy i was like okay yeah yeah she was And she said, she's, I should probably say thank you. He's like, don't worry about it. Yeah, I got you. Yeah, those two weirdos are going to be together for sure. What I love about her in that scene, too, is you saw the terror.

Like, she still used to see being an outsider or looking down on these people. But the middle of it, she's like, oh, she's terrified. She knew she was going to die. Yeah, she was trying to, she was trying to fight. And she was getting, she was just overwhelmed. And I mean, even what there were a lot of power. That's why I like the opposite. There were a lot of powerful scenes.

Like, there were tons of powerful scenes. Like, you could just. think about certain things that happened and how about like this one you know like this was the this was the scene that when uh when she's when she's given this speech and she's telling and when when fianna shaw they bring her up and pisspots playing the images and here she is and she's just and it's so gradual where she's just given the speech about the things that she's done and how fair what what it's meant to her and this and that and then the empire's like uh should we uh should we let this go on yeah let a play for a little bit and then she's just like the empire's garbage

kill them all. I should have done more. I should have done more. I did nothing and you should do something. And then they throw and they turn over poor pisspot and they start going. And then it all hell breaks loose. And what I'd said in my spoiler review earlier this morning was that this really redeemed the stormtroopers to me again because you remember in episode four when it first

came out and New Hope comes out and you watch that for the first time. The stormtroopers are pretty scary. Like they just mow down Aunt Peru and Uncle Owen and they just, And they're, they're meant to be terrifying. Over the years, they become more goofy. Like, they can't, they can't hit anything. They can't shoot anything. Ewox can take them out with rocks.

Like, you know, it's like, they're not, they're not terrifying. They were terrifying in this episode. Yeah, and they brought the death troopers back. Yep, they did. And like, at least a scene, which I thought was cool. Yeah, they did. Yeah, it's kind of like similarly to that, I think it was episode three, maybe, when the Thai fighters flew over them. And it's like, just like classic Thai fighters, but the way that they set it up.

actually brings more depth and levity to it in a scary way. Yeah, I agree. And I think that they did that a few different times. And the other scene that I thought was really powerful was when I Ander first shows up. And Mike, I know that you don't study names as much anymore, but you're the one of the best out of the three of us. Who is the guy that greets him and that tells, you know, tells him that his mom had a message for him. Not Benix. Okay, but it's fine.

we that's who we're talking about so like Adam like I call him you know it's hilarious is that I was talking to Frank Janish of these like he's like you just don't know uh he just can't remember the names huh I was like no we don't care it's like it's one of those things it's yeah it's like it's one of those things it's like hey look you tell us the names and we'll we'll remember them when we do it's like you know what that's my point you know what we're talking about right so who cares you should know the names you should know the names anymore I don't need to know the names I'll know the names have I remember them I'll know that's what I'll know the names.

It's like when I remember them. There's so many people. He's like the only guy I don't know. But he's, but so he was. Benix or Beninitz. He was fantastic and he was fantastic. And he was and he shows up.

And the most powerful thing of that whole, even though the speech that he, that he talks about with, with his mom, the whole speech, that speech is great. And what she says is awesome. But the most powerful moment

that worked for me was like the real embrace that they gave each other when he saw. That was a hug. That was a real, yeah, it was a real good hug. Like that, yeah, the thing, then you said that normally people are hugging all the time, but you don't recognize, you don't notice. You felt it. But then there was something different he did. Yeah, that was something.

You felt it. You felt you felt it when they show up. It was like, these guys really care about it. So this is like, this is not just someone like, hey, okay, I'm glad you're saved. It's like, no, this is a love. And he's like, look, I knew you were going to say this. Your mom knew you were going to say this. Brasso.

Brasso. Brasso. Matt Brasso. Yeah. Hey, hey, I'm going to make some creme brulee. You want some creme brulee? Hey, you can some crumbullet. It's a person we went, a friend of ours.

So he went to school with stuff. He was a chef. Crembleuet. Cremblele. But anyway, it's a guy like you, but either way, they have this really nice moment. And it's because of that, that Andrew was able to get out. And he's about to get ratted out. And again, you talk about tying it all up.

Remember the dude that he's doing the deal with in episode one with the alien, rats them out. Yeah. I like that juxtaposition of those characters because everyone in Farrix with her speech going on, it's like you see how important the people to people community is there and how much there is a genuine love for them. And when they all planned to work together, like the idea that they're like, we're only going to allow them 30 people, which is like really what happens when a fascist regime is trying to be like, oh, we're letting you do this.

But like it's still under deep control and it's so manipulative. it's not for real. Yeah, it's not for real. But they're all working together. There's hundreds of them now swarming the street. And at the same time, the one guy who's not with the gang tries to snitch on one of the people. And then he gets shot or no blown up basically. It's blown up. Yeah.

That's what happens. Yeah. Yeah. What do you guys? We'll jump right into this one. Actually, you know, before we do that, we'll go into the, this I play this before Mike was talking about it, like the end moment where. because Luthan, Luton's there to kill him.

Luton's there to, he's there to kill him. And he's, they're trying, and nobody can get, and even says to him, he's like, you know,

you're here to kill him. He's like, yeah, you don't make it easy. He's like, and nobody can get a, can get a hold on Andor. They can't,

they can't find him. He knows, he knows that place inside and out. Nobody can, and I actually really love that. He was never, Andrew was never in trouble in this episode. Never.

He was never in trouble. I mean, he's on his home turf. He was in his home turf. I mean, yeah, he was getting chased, you know, and so people, he knew people were coming in. And he got shot at like once or twice, but he was never really in, he was never really in trouble. Like, you know, he got in, he got Bix pretty easy. And some people like, oh, I would have liked to see a little bit more conflict.

He's going to be in a lot more conflict. He's been in a lot of conflict. He's in prison for three episodes. Yeah, but I like that. Me too. Loved it. Yeah, because he, like you just said, he's been in conflict the entire season. And he would have been in conflict had he just gone for the funeral.

But instead it shows his character development that he's like as soon as he heard Bix was in trouble It was like a course correction fully and then that was his goal He knew what he had to do and he knew also there was more of a purpose to it and he knew and what it was also going back to that conversation had he not had that conversation And the message that he got because that shows you how powerful her message was to the people how powerful her message was to her son It she just she had a very strong episode because she came back to say hey everybody get it together take over these turds because it's it's time to rock it's time to go and i want to make that my alarm clock she's like this happens when you're sleeping yeah it's like it's like move move move move move yeah wake up and she and they do and they all bound together and they're chucking bombs and you're

doing all these things and and it's it's like it was a really it was a very powerful scene and then at the end and or even even so when he's talking and he's like okay look get her out of here um you guys go I'll get to you and she and even Bix says yeah he'll he's gonna find us and he's like I will I'll find you I promise and out he goes and then he's looking for he's looking for Luthan and he has that conversation and Luton's like Luton realized it and he sees it

that's what's so good about Luton is he thinks on the spot and he's like I can't kill this guy he's like Lutie just did look how he avoided me look how he avoided the empire look how he and look what he's looking he's doing this guy this is this is the guy and he's like and so you know right then and there that that's that was his kind of initiation into the into the crew for real this time.

Yeah, I was like, what's Luthan going to do all episode? They've done a really good job with Luton as this character where you're like, he's such a gray area and I never know what his decisions are going to be. And he doesn't tell us what his decisions are going to be. Like other characters are more like outward with when they're talking to other characters. Luthing is like, keeps it very close to the vest. So I was like, what is he going to do here? But then I like, that you could see like because he's such a great actor as soon as he just made that decision in his head you could see the shift yeah he's he's he's absolutely phenomenal in this role and it's just a bummer because you know both him and bix they can't survive season two yeah they just can't they just can't survive

season two and and so we'll season two there's so much kind of lead up to it and i i am um i'm excited for because the now this is where we should talk about i texted you guys this morning i have i Had I not known in advance, I wouldn't have checked for a post credit scene because they haven't done post credit scenes at all this season. And then they do one. And of course, it's the, we find out exactly what Andor has been building when he was in prison. And it's part of the weapons to that death star. And it's ultimately what he's building the, the weapon that kills him. You know, so he, uh, it's, I thought that was an interesting reveal at the very end.

And it was a nice way for them to start to tie in. to Rogue One. I liked that they put it in a post-credit scene because I don't think that it would have randomly thrown it into the episode. It would have made any sense. I think that by putting it in the post-credit scene, you go, oh, that's the stuff that they were building. That's the stuff, that's cheap labor that they're, that the empire has been using across the entire galaxy and why they're able to build this thing. But that's not like use of details from Tony Gilroy, that they're not just building BS. You know, they're not just like, he's not just making it. So they're building something in a prison and it doesn't mean anything. It's like always

had a plan that it means something. And I didn't think about that. That's the weapon that ends up killing Andor, and he helped to build it. He helped build it. Yeah. Did you guys feel like, did you guys know that that's what they were building at the time?

It felt like. Yeah, I thought like, I think we talked about it. I read a fan theory, and I loved it more than the Death Star. They said, what if they're building this?

And then the parts are taking to like level five and they're being disassembled. And it's just this cycle of, of keeping these prisoners in this endless cycle of work. And I, I love that more so than the theory of the death star. But see, I didn't feel, what a waste of what someone should be fired. But it just shows the empire, just like we, these people are here in prison for no reason because they went against the empire and we're just going to work them to death for their life. I, all right. What's working? No,

but working them for, working them for, for, for what? Yeah, yeah. Just just to work. Because they can because it's the empire. It's a, I mean, that's that stupid, stupid business plan. I didn't need that post-credit scene. And it felt like, it felt like the end of Revenge of the Sith where they're on the deck and Tarkin is there for a second. He turns the camera and walks away. It was like, all right, let's tie it into the larger world of Star Wars. Again, it's for me, the whole no blabler, no Scyth, no Jedi. I know the Death Star needs to be there. But seeing that scene, it makes me go, I hope we don't see Crenic. Because Rogue One and or story with Rogue One, that is Crenic. don't need to see them build to a confrontation with each other.

I don't need to see Krennick working on the Death Star. Yeah. This is Andrew's story with Lutheran and becoming a rebellion leader. I don't need that mission. I don't need it. I think if you have too much of it, I agree, but I think having them in there to show that we're lead, because remember, the reason why I do think that they should share. Well, the reason why we should have the Death Star is because Tony Gilroy has always said

very much so that the last episode of Andor's season two is going to be moments before. Yeah, but. we lead it to Rogue One. So I think that it just ties in. And that's why I like that it was a post credit. It was merely meant to show us that stuff that they were working on. That's what it was. I know.

I know. That's it. And I thought that I thought it tied into it pretty well. I mean, yeah, I don't like the idea that I'm just kind of working. Hey, we're going to treat these guys like rats. Well, you got your wish because that's not what it was. That's right. But I do, I do think that post credit scene was more for general audiences.

I think Star Wars people in the world knew that that's what they were building. They're all building the debt star. Yeah, but it's, you know. Yeah, but I thought what I did it. I don't think it was fan service, though. I didn't say it was fan service. I'm like, so, Mike, are we now, I feel like every week we get more extreme with like you not wanting.

Anything. And I got my wish. May the force be with you ever in this show, ever. Well, you will brace yourself Buttercup because it's coming into second season. Oh, you think so? Yeah, I mean, with Mon Moth. I'd say, no, we ain't going to get lightsabers. We ain't going to get light savers. We're not going to get light savers.

No, no, we'll get a may the force be with you. She says it in, she says it in Jedi. Who does? I'm on Mothma. I don't care. That's Jedi. That's years later. Oh, okay. She's got to be worried about her daughter being betrothed to someone. She ain't talked about the force and midi-clorians, all that crap. Steph was talking. Go ahead, Seth.

I just am like, we're watching Star Wars and you don't want to hear, may the force be with you? No, because guess what, Steph? When we're in this world here, I don't go everywhere and everywhere I go. I don't hear Merry Christmas every year in this little world that we're in because a lot of people don't say Merry Christmas. So not everyone in Star Wars has seen me of the Force be with you. I'm going to do. Yeah.

I want to, I'm going to take some. I'm just going to go to Mike's house, a whole bunch of rocks and then just say kick rocks. Yeah. I'll kick him all the time. I'm saying not made for you with you. That's what I'll be saying them. You just compared the force to a secular religion. Yeah, you really are.

It is a religion. The only grumpy little tur. The force is a religion. You're a grumpy term. But it's not a secular religion. It's a religion, Steph. All right. Let's go over the entire.

We're rogues and they chant. The entire season overall, we, we liked a lot, right? Yes, yes. So I would, I would say, yeah, really great show. Overall, can't wait for season two. And now we're going to get into bad batch. Obviously, in January, we get into it. So, excuse me, Mandalorian in February.

Asoka after that, skeleton crew. Now, and or season two is shooting now, so it is possible, although unlikely. Oh. Thank you so much for interrupting my thought. Because it's going to help you. Go ahead. No, I don't know, finish. You just wanted to just.

I don't know if you said, we're shooting right now. If it goes according to plan like we did the first season, it'll be out in 2024, I give us two years. Oh, cool. As I was saying, it's either going to, it'll either aim. obviously unlikely at the end of 2020, most likely 2024 is where if everything stays on track. Now, one of the things I was going to ask you guys is the K2SO.

Now, this is something that a lot of people didn't even know that we did. So I want to show Steph and Mike, because there's no chance that they watch this. And I'm going to play this for you guys. This is about K2SO and and or. Are you guys ready? I'm ready. Let me play up.

What is this? Wait, I see. Can you mute yourself? Me? No, I'm hearing playback, but maybe it went away. Okay. Let's say, hold on. Tell me if you hear, tell me if you hear playback.

Cleared out the entire schedule for you here today. You said something was weighing heavy on your chest. You couldn't sleep. It was keeping you up. What's going on? I can't. I can't get away from this. Okay.

It's everywhere. It's in the news. It's social media. It's, you know, people are taking sides. And this person says this, this person is that. And I don't know where I feel about it, but I do know that I'm about to lose it. Okay. Okay.

Now look, I can tell you're very upset. It seems like you, you know, you're not as calm. You haven't been using the apps like we've been talking about, obviously, because something is really bothering you. But you're being vague. I don't really know what it is that's bothering you. So please, if you can elaborate. on the problem would be a little bit more helpful. I'll just say it.

I don't think Tony Gilroy is going to properly introduce K-2-S-O to Andor as it is in canon. Whoa. Whoa. Okay. Well, okay. Let's talk. Let's talk about this. That's a heavy accusation. You don't know that could be true. Can you tell me why you feel this? Oh, come on, Doc.

I mean, I don't think Tony Gilroy cares about canon. You don't think he's paying attention to what's going on? I guarantee he didn't see the 2017 limited release in the comic books. Okay, we're starting to break through a little bit. Can you tell me exactly what happens in that 2017 comic book run? I would love to. You see, in August 2017, Marvel Comics released Rogue One, Cassian and K2SO Special One.

Although the title suggests otherwise, this was a one shot that never received a follow-up issue. Taking place at some point in the time between two and zero years before the Battle of Yavin, the story begins with Cassian andor being sent to the backwater planet of Wicaco. By General Draven to receive some imperial security protocols. He was accompanied by Kertas and Rismore, two female alien twins who communicated with one another. just by scent, although it later turned out that he could not only understand basic,

but also speak it. While Andor expected little imperial presence on week ago, he and the twins soon found out that the location where they were told to pick up the protocols was buzzing with stormtroopers and KX droids. Sneaking in through the sewers, they discovered a giant hall with an abandoned Star Destroyer. While the twins searched for the security protocols, Andor started looking for weight out of the base. Unintentionally trickling an alarm, he raised the attention of K2S.O. Based on his primary programming, the droid tried to attain Andor and terminate him if necessary, as he continuously explained.

Andor tricked K2SO and attempted to deactivate him but couldn't find the kill switch until Kirtas and Rismore came to the rescue. Andor's attempt to erase K2's memory didn't work out. And before the droid could make another attempt on Andor's life, he got deactivated again, followed by another incomplete memory wipe. Kirtis convinced Andor that K2 held all the information the rebel alliance needed. And while she and her sister created a diversion,

Andor and the droid, who was still unsure if he could help or kill the rebel made a run for their ship. After it got blown up by the Imperals, the duo stole another vessel, thus escaping Wicaco and K2SO's intel could be extracted and he could be reprogrammed to serve the Rebel Alliance. Wow, well, I mean, it was very informative to say the least, but how do you know that Tony Gilroy won't honor of the canon, Brett. Well, in a recent interview, he stated that he was not interested in doing

fan service and that he wanted to tell his own story. Wow. Well, that's interesting. I mean, there's certainly a way to break that down. Well, all right, I have something I think you help, but I got to ask a question that I think I know the answer to, but I got to ask here. Brett, have you ever seen the television show and or? Not a frame. Not a frame, yeah, that was the answer I thought. Not a frame. Okay, why have you not watched even a frame?

Do you not have Disney Plus? Oh, no, it's been on pause in my Disney Plus, but it's just not something I'm interested in watching because haven't you heard what people are saying about it? I hear people are saying that it's very well-written, well-acted, Well, acted. It's the best Star Wars since Empire Strikes Back. I've heard. I've heard some chatter. Obviously, you haven't been on the hot new social media website, Hive at Brett Sheridan. At Christian Harlow. What would I find on Hive?

Well, people are saying that it's, you know, it's boring and it's not real Star Wars. Come on. Not my Star Wars. Not my time. Get up. So there you go. There's the thing with me and Brett. You can watch that. full thing. That was really good. Isn't Brett, isn't Brett the, uh, the Star Wars officiant? I don't know that he is. Oh my gosh. The way that I didn't know where it was going and then it got like genuinely informative. It's like what? That was the point, right? So like, and then with, um, yeah, with with that whole thing, I bringing that conversation up. Do we think that that's going to be how K2SO meets and or are they going to do it completely different?

I think it will hit similar beats, but be different. Yeah. What do you think, my? Absolutely not. They're usually very different. He's not going to touch that. I'm leaning with you. He ain't doing that.

I'm leaning with you. They aren't going to be twin aliens talking through scent. Nope. I will tell you this. I will understand if that is the case and that he wants to do one thing. But wait, but here's the thing, though. Is that the caveat? I will never.

take anything serious inside of comics or or novels ever again. I'm not going to read any high republics. I'm going to read any of that stuff. You know, because it's like, it's like, it's not, it's not canon.

If they don't, if that's not how it is, it's like, don't tell people it's can. It's a side adventure. And if you want to read for the side adventures, you want to have some fun on side adventures that's just like anything else. It's like the same way the Joker is not part of the DCU.

Right. It's like that's, that's what it is. Don't tell people it's canon and then go, well, yeah, but it's canon until a filmmaker doesn't want it. to be canon. It's like, that's not how it should work.

Okay, but think of what we've gotten so far. And those clips you just showed from the combo, can you even see twins that talk through they can't talk, but they threw scent and the telekine fit in this world that Gilroy's given us. Last episode, we got those two creepy aliens

that I think, you know. It ain't happening. I agree with you. I'm just saying it could, it could happen. But Steph, do you know, this was Mandalorian? Sure. Right. You think there's elements, Steph, or nothing? No, no chance. Yeah, I think there could be some elements. I don't, I, I, yeah, the two alien girls, I think probably not.

That's like, kind of really kinky, actually, for Star Wars in hindsight, that I'm hearing it from Brett's voice. But I think that in some of the, like, way, the K2S-O stuff, I feel like maybe, but I don't know, maybe you guys are right that they won't. It is weird that they, like, do these comics and books that are directed. related to the new stuff coming out but then are like, no, no, but it's not related. Why don't they just do something else then? Don't say it's canon. I know they did this with,

oh, God, I don't know, see, this is how much I'm out of the Shemot. I didn't remember his name. Oscar Isaac's character. What was his name? Po. Yeah. They did a whole story on his family. I want to say they've done a comic on Diego's character, too.

I thought, the indoor had. Well, that was the one. That was what Brett just talked about. but I don't remember Marvel or anything like that in a comic I'm trying to think but I think it was more about a it's it's closer yeah it's closer to rogue one at that point um so I could have sworn they talked about his family and his upbringing too but I'm like I did they did inside of um I think it was in catalyst in the novel catalysts they mentioned that his parents are separatists um they don't that's what it was that's what it was yeah I don't really play on that at all in in in this um So I don't, but that's not to say that, you know, maybe his original parents were separatists and that's what we're doing. They were fighting. I do feel that K2SO will be a plot point in the sense that not like in that where the droid, the plans were in him that they could have used. I don't think he's just going to be an assassin droid like at that beach scene and casting's going to capture him.

I think he will be a plot point. Yeah. Well, this was the conversation. And when people who had asked, and I was doing, like I mentioned on Patreon, I do these one-on-one sessions, and this guy asked me, he's like, well, I think one of the reasons they can't adapt the novels is because the creators will be too pigeonhole to what canon is what inside, you know, is inside of these novels. And it's like, well, no, because there's a lot, the reason why is there's, you can, the same way that directors aren't pigeonholed when they do, like, Harry Potter. There's certain beats you have to hit, and there's things that you can elaborate it on and push outside inside of that book, right? But this Tony Gilroy move, if he doesn't do anything along the lines, if this, if, if, if, if, if it's like Steph said initially where they have it, it's, it's, it's similar. But, you know, they change some things up, but it has those twins in there and they show how to do it. And it's like, okay, but similar. So they're sticking to the canon.

And they just move things around a little bit. And you're like, okay, well, that's acceptable to what happened with the, with the comic. If they don't, they're pretty much saying it's only canon until someone says it's not that, that is that we hired to make a, make a show. And then it's like, well, why am I getting invested? It's why I bailed on this stuff so earlier, so much earlier because it was like, oh, so they're not really paying attention to any of this. Yeah. Yeah.

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You can, we have two big stories here. Now there's either the rumor that Kathleen Kennedy is going to step aside. and the big shift with Bob Eiger and everything too. That is that that is a rumor. And another rumor is that Star Wars movies, the slate is set to ramp up in the next five years. Which one would you like to go? Let's go to the slate.

Okay, let's go to the slate. And this is from our good buddies, Jeff Snyder and John Roker on their show, the hot mic, they had, Jeff Snyder made this report. And I will tell you about just the moment. I want to make sure we get a full screen here. And there we go.

All right, here we go. This is from Star Wars Newsnet reporting on Jeff Snyder's report. So according to the latest rumor from Jeff Snyder, Star Wars fans won't have to wait long before the franchise returns in a big way to cinemas. After three years when it comes to Star Wars film news, it appears development on new theatrical releases has definitely picked up and a solid slate could be ready in their near future if the latest word from renowned Hollywood reporter and scooper Jeff Snyder is to be believed.

I like that. They give him the renowned title. Straight from John Roker's The Hot Mike show on Tuesday, hat tip to Star Wars leaks. The newest rumor claims that Kathleen Kennedy has the next few years of Star Wars figured out, including definite projects on the future. And here is, so they said, according to Snyder, there's a lot of stuff coming down the pipe on the feature side of Lucasfilm to be excited about. As we all know, Lucasfilm made a strong pivot to the TV side of things in order to beef up Disney Plus,

and those plans aren't going anywhere with several new Star Wars series and seasons deep into development and production. But it appears that the studio knows there's a strong desire for more theatrical releases after a post-episode 9 hiatus that has been longer than anticipated. Remember that Patty Jenkins' Rogue Squadron was supposed to come out in 2023 Christmas time and it is now undated. whether this updated slate of Star Wars projects for the next five years or so includes theatrical releases. Once things are back up on the feature side, we could be looking at 2024 the earliest. We don't know for sure. This could mean there's a strong roadmap in place for both the TV and theatrical side of Lucasville. The general sentiment at Disney after solo a Star Wars story underperformed was that maybe they had released too many films too fast.

However, many insiders feel like the marketing and release dates simply weren't the best and believe the Star Wars could thrive in cinemas, putting it out, and who installed, new installment each year. As it stands, and despite recent cancellations, we know at least three different films being in active development. Tycho Atiti's long project supposedly post-Ryke Skywalker

standalone created by Damon Lindelof and Kevin Feigy and Michael Waldron's secret film, which could be the same that Sean Levy has joined. If that's not the case, I'm looking at four potential films in the future. Five of Rogue Squadron comes back to life. All right. So the overall

report here is that you know we've got um second we've got them coming up with a plan which is good news right them coming up with a plan of connected to the second story kind of right do you think that kind of um okay maybe it just depends it just depends on how if she's if kathleen kennedy and like you you remember there was that report that there was this kind of war room going on with philoni and uh and and Lindelof and all these people inside of the room that you would hope at some point, someone broke through to Kathleen Kennedy and said, we've got to have a full-on mapped out plan of how we're going to connect everything inside of it,

not doing trilogies and things, but connecting things in a way that we're put, the way that they do it with, whether it's Marvel or what they're trying to be eventually doing with D.C. And putting together these slates, like we've got to try to do something like that. And we got to have an overall plan instead of just handing out movies to the next director that comes in. And maybe they broke through.

Remember we talked about that last week. So that's part one. We can get into part two once we hit that other article. But Mike, you hear this from Snyder that they're going to start ramping up a plan. I mean, it makes sense. You figure the flame's got to be under Kathleen Kennedy's buttocks right now. Yeah. But what?

Like, I'm before my- Not even confused in the report. the report is the report. Like, we know they've been ramping up movies. Right. Every time we come out, they're throwing out a movie with the director. Right. You know, and Star Wars isn't the MCU.

It doesn't connect in that way. It doesn't, we don't, like, Faggy's got his war room with this wall of things that connect everything. That's not Star Wars, and it doesn't need to be Star Wars. We just need a director with a great movie. And Star Wars fans will show. I think for Star Wars, just get a great movie that doesn't connect. making you put Star Wars in the title and make it great and exciting and the fans are going to show up for it the general audience will show up they don't need to connect it to and or to mando and boba and just give us rogue that whatever happened with rogue squadron whether it was announced after one woman 84 got the bad response to it that was to seeing what we got with top gun maverick and it could have had that in star wars I mean come on but I think that's the problem I think that I think that you're right in theory where it's like if you can just get a really good Star Wars movie with a great director and a great script,

similar to what they're doing TV. They got Andor they found Tony Gilroy. He put together Andor and then, you know, they had, they had a Fallonian and Favre and they put together the Mandalorian and it worked in TV. So why can't they do that in movies? The problem is that, that strategy has not been working for her because she's moving and she's trying to do that. She's trying to do that a few times. She tried to do it like, well, we got JJ. And JJ is going to, but look at this.

But look what they did. Boy, we're going to do the, we're going to bring all the crew back from the original Star Wars films. And like you couldn't, you were never going to make it open after with that. Then it was like, we're going to do solo. And everyone was like, who the hell wanted it solo is a film? Right, right. Rogue one was the one that turned out good. On the five films that came out, Rogue One was the one that was like, even then it was

kind of like, well, we know how it's going to end. Why are you telling the story? But you attached a great filmmaker to it or we don't know who the filmmaker ended up being. And it was a great story with great characters. Like, the sequel trilogy was a losing, like, you weren't going to be. going to please everyone with that thing. I know, but they also have their ideas of what you wanted Luke to do.

Right. I know. But there were a mistake. There were massive mistakes made. The fact that you didn't have all your three characters back together once on screen together, that's a problem. Right. And if Jeff is saying in his article where like they've got leadership that is going to fix it

so not doing stupid crap like that again, great. I hope. Steph, what do you think? Because what it seems like to me with this is that before, before the announcement that Iger, was coming back, the rumor is that Chapec was really leaning on

Kennedy going on, what's going on? Like, we need a Star Wars movie, like, what's happening? And then when you had that much pressure from the head honcho, you gotta start sweat. So I'm sure that put it in to perspective. Like, we got to start putting a plan here. We need movies. And it's not just going to stop because

Iger's coming back and they're more, their buddies. You know, it's going to be like, okay, we've got to, like, the plan for feature films on Star Wars has as Mike said, been put into production, but I absolutely think that they do need a plan because the problem is of them putting together these potential stories. Let's say they go five movies, like everything that that report said, well, we're giving Tyka a movie and we're going to give John, or not, we're going to have Tyco movie, we're going to have Tyco movie, we're going to

give Lindeloff a movie, we're going to hope that they're all good. But if we get one or two, that's good and they're not connected at all. And there's no storytelling. It's just, we're just kind of throwing it all up in the air and hoping that's their problem. That's what they have been doing. And by doing that, it's been a nightmare. I think that what they could do because they have such a massive lure and i know that i get blue in the face talking about the old republic but even if it's high republic but setting up tv shows um movies connecting it mapping it out of like this movie will come like the way that they're doing with like uh with with phase five and six in marvel they map out they put out the secret invasion

um and then that that ties into this i think they have a little bit too much right now but um but step sorry but go ahead please what your overall thoughts on this I think that to me it's a good sign that we're hearing more of these. We're going to get a plan together because even though it is a lot of the same, I do think that they're getting the message that everyone notices. Like everyone's noticing what you guys are doing. It's not sly. You've announced all these movies maybe the first three times we swept under the rug and we're waiting.

But now it's like the entire industry. and the fan base is like, this is really not organized in a way that, like, you have a direct comparison on the same streaming platform is just executing in a way that's, and DC is almost executing it. DC is executing movie-wise in a better way than Star Wars. And that's crazy to think after all the years,

DC is trying to get it together. And in the wake of all their drama, it's like they don't have an Ezra Miller situation. So it's like, what? You guys got to get it together. Because DC is doing what we've always talked about. DC is doing what they, like, it has what,

what they've been looking for for a while. DC said, we need to put people who love this stuff, who are good at putting this all together, who want to talk about it all the time, who can get the people in the room that can talk about at the time, who are good at business, but good at the creative and put it all together and able to establish teams.

DC has that now with Saffron and Gunn. They didn't have that before. There was nobody, there was like, They had just executive levels making these decisions and it wasn't working. That's the problem with Star Wars right now. You have a really good producer in there who also puts their hands in a lot of the creative stuff sometimes. She does not love Star Wars.

She just doesn't. And that's not a bad. And when I say love Star Wars, not that she doesn't love the property itself, but she doesn't like, she's not going to talk to. She has no clue how Cassie and Andor and K2SO meant in the comics, right? And now is that a requirement? Not necessarily. but I think that you do want to get, and I think that Faloni's too much on the creative side

to be able to run Lucasfilm. I think that there's, there's got to be a balance and whether or not it's two people, like a Faloni and a Favre running it together, that'd be pretty fun. That'd be pretty interesting to see how they would do that overall. I mean, I think they've made some mistakes on the TV side also, but I think in the overall, they've delivered,

and they present the lore the right way. But I think, and we can just get into the actual, the second part of this, this is this is the the rumor and the story this comes from the direct um let's let's read let's read this and let's see because after after they had this big report of iger coming back they said at disney is now planning to remove star wars boss boss kathleen kennedy which is again a big parentheses of rumor so after 10 years in the position kathleen kennedy's reign at lucas film is rumored to be coming to an end at the end of 2023 kathleen kennedy has been president of lucre film since

2012 when George Lucas sold his company to Disney for $4.5 billion. During her time as president, Lucasfilm has produced five live-action Star Wars films and began in television error for the galaxy far, far away on Disney Plus. A decade into Disney owning Star Wars and fans have a mixed reception of the generation of the franchise. Many are critical of how the sequel trilogy turned out after a divisive sequel in The Last Jedi and a generally disappointing finale with the Rise of Skywalker. However, there have been high points, including Roe 1, the Mandalorian, and Andor. after years of chatter that Kennedy may not last as Lucas President, excuse me, Lucasville President, a new rumor indicates that her time might be done sooner rather than later. Okay, it's Campia.

It's revealed on a live show that his sources have indicated that Kathleen Kennedy were removed as the president of Lucasfilm either before the release, I didn't know this came from John, before the release of Indiana Jones 5 or shortly after. So John says, this is what I've heard. I've heard that the decision to remove Kathy Kennedy has been already been made and that she will be gone either sometime before or very, very shortly, therefore, the release of after Indiana Jones 5. Now, I want to be clear, I cannot independently say to you and confirm you that this is a fact. I will say that one of the two people that have contacted me has 1,000% average on the things they've informed me up.

This in turn would mean that a new president of Lucasfilm would oversee any future Star Wars projects, including the next film set to release in 2025. For revealing what the sources had told him, Campi explains that he previously thought, that Bob Iger's recent return as a CEO of Walt Disney would help. That's what he told me. He called into the show the other day and we talked about and this is exactly what he had said and would stay as Lucasfilm president till her contract. I had a lot of people write in and ask now that Iger's back.

Do you think that means Kathy Kennedy is gone? And a lot of people write to me on the social media in the comments, writing, asking exactly that. And my response was, well, no, if anything, it's the opposite. Bob Iger has traditionally been a Kathleen Kennedy ally. And with Bob Iger coming back, I have a feeling it would entrench her even more. And she would still probably stay to the end of her contract. I mean, I've said for a while,

I don't think she lasts beyond the end of the new contract. I think she's out either by shortly after 2025. I do think she needs to move on. I've said that for a long time. But I think Iger coming back, only entrances are here. Let's see, there's two separately. There are two separate sources. So sometimes I'll say something on a show.

And then like in the case of Edgar Wright, I will get contacted by people in the know that would say to me, hey, you said this. It's a great show, but you're wrong. I will tell you this. last night in the last 14 hours last night I got an email from somebody very connected and then this morning I got a call from somebody even more connected that got in touch with me two separate people independently got a hold of me and said John your Kathleen Kennedy is going to be more entrenched than

Igers in oh oh John you Kathleen you Kathleen Kennedy is going to be more entrenched than Igers in I'm like yep you're wrong I understand what they're trying to say there um anyway okay so there's a lot there's a lot there let's let's talk about it because I When when this report of, when this report of Iger broke, you know, John's been pretty vocal against Chepec for a long time. So I wanted to talk to him about it. I called him. And we spoke about it. And he said exactly that. He said, because I said, I can't imagine that this is going to hurt Kathleen Kennedy. I think this is going to help Kathleen Kennedy because her and Igar have such a good relationship. I don't see her finishing. I don't see her going past her contract in, I think,

2025, but I think she sticks it out. And he said exactly what he said in that report. But then I guess he's getting reports from people and he's got pretty, I mean, he's got, he's got sources inside there that he's not just going to say these things and if it's not potentially true. I don't know. I still think she's going to stick it out for her contract. I think after this report from Snyder, also that she's putting together these plans, I think she sees out a couple of these movies. And then I think she walks away and she gets another high profile job. I think she can even start her own company. and do her own thing. I don't think she last passed 2025,

but I don't think she is going to be gone at the end of after Indiana Jones. Steph, what do you think? Yeah, I agree with that. I think she's going to go for her contract and then leave. It's not like I'm, I think we all feel very similarly about her that she's like incredibly talented producer, probably like top ever top five producers just so good but it just isn't meshing and I can't imagine that for her it's not exhausting either you know like the amount of crap she receives a lot of

it is completely outrageous but I just can't see that being fun at like past a certain point unless she seems to catch a groove coming out of this and or show and maybe the movies in 2025 do really great, but or the production coming up until then does good, but I don't see her, she's been with them for so long. 10 years now and she doesn't and she doesn't, and that's,

that's as president she's been with him. She's been a long, you know, with George longer than that, but I, Mike, I can't see her wanting to get, it's like Game of Thrones, right?

It's like the, I think the reason why she probably wants to stick around is once you're, once you're in the throne, it's, you don't, it's, it's not something you want to give up. No matter if the people are unhappy, or not. You want to stay in that power seat. Yeah. I don't know. I'm kind of not really caring if

she stays or goes. Like when it comes to the producers and stuff like that, you know, people are going to take this whenever she leaves if it's on her own or whatever that, oh, we got rid of her. Finally, we got rid of her. It's like, no, she's one of the most successful producers in Hollywood. Yeah. It's kind of like what Walter Mahada did with Disney. He came in and people were upset about him, didn't like him, this and that. I mean Warner Brothers, you mean? Warner Brothers. and Hamada left, and he's already a Paramount. He's Paramount's had now.

So it's just like Kathleen's going to go somewhere and someone's going to the studio will snatch her up because she makes great movies. Yeah, she will also bring in, I've, the Chapic thing, I don't even care about the Disney level, the what he did and how he handled the don't say gay bill in Florida. He's a terrible person for the company for the theme parks. My friends and I that have worked for the theme parks. It goes beyond the TV show.

But I remember, Iger was in charge of Star Wars with solo and all that. That's Iger's stuff. That's not Cheapack and all those films. that was Iger. Yeah, I got made a lot of mistakes as well. I mean, he didn't have any films out. That might be the problem that they weren't having films out under Chappick, but the fact that it's going to be coming to magically,

it's all going to be better because Iger's back and Kennedy, no, they can't change. So look at it money wise. Money wise, right, stock. Sure. They made money. What you just said. So Solo was the only one that didn't make a billion dollars.

Right. The rest of the only money. They made money. The bottom line was there. Yeah. So he made money. He bought Star Wars. He bought Lucas film.

He bought Fox. He, he bought. bought Marvel. He bought Pixar. There's a few more wins than Jay. But also, but also look at this. Look at Star Wars fandom since 2015. We've never seen it splintered like it has been. And whether you can say

it or not, but it is a splintered fan. Sure, absolutely. And that happened. It did. And to further your argument, the reconnection, it's gotten stronger since, because last Jedi was the big separation for sure. Right. But it's gotten

mended a little bit, not all the but Mended, under, I think, Chepex run, right? Well, I don't know. It's tough to say what-Mendo was still IGR, though, and Mando was still-I-GAR, though, and it's tough to say what Chappex, because he's dealing with the entire company, he's not just focusing on the movie film Star Wars.

Right, right, right, right. So it's tough to say, I think there's good about it. I think Iger is a phenomenal, what he is an executive is, he is a businessman, but he's also knows you need creative people in charge. Right. He understands that, and he's a great law. It's a leader. He is, he's a leader.

He's a leader. And Chappick was a manager. There's a big difference between those. And he said stupid things. And Chappick would say stupid things when even the animation comment that I've been quoting him. You heard that thing that he said? Yeah. Adults don't watch animation. Like adults, you know, Disney adults go to, when the kids go to sleep, adults got to have something to watch because you can't watch the animation.

It's like, what are you talking about? Kennedy finishes her contract and moves on. Yeah. And I think, I think, honestly, they're going to let her, they're going to want, she's going to want to go out on a Star Wars high note. Like a film that's loved that she can kind of. Yeah. All right. That's it. I'm out. Now, with that point being made, that is the only reason why I would say that the report here by John makes a lot of sense because after seeing that trailer from Indiana Jones and coming out in June, if it hits the way I think it's going to hit, yeah. You hit the shot and you walk off the court because that's that because then because then if you make it.

make, if you make anywhere close to 700, 800 million and, and if it's critically accepted more so than the other one, yeah, you, maybe that's why they say, hey, listen, if this movie hits the way we think it's going to hit and she starts making her move, she's like, I'm going to hit the, hit the shot, walk off. That's why I think it could make, that's why I don't think it's a, that's why I don't think it's a ludicrous report. I think that it's, no, it, it makes a lot of sense if that is the case, because if it bombs, though, you know, they might just get rid of her outright. But it's like it bombs, it's Indy5 bombs, which I don't think it will. It's not going to bomb.

It's mangold. Yeah, he, he, he's. The trailer's so good, dude. It's so good. I haven't seen it yet. It's so good. I cannot wait. It's my, the other day we're trying to anticipate.

Well, there's been several trailers recently that have been so good and the films have been. I know, but this is mangold. Mangold knows how to put together trailer with an accurate, an accurate representation of his, of his movies. So either way, I think, I think. I think we're all on the same page that she's going to stick around until the end of her contract, although I will not be surprised if she walks off the court after Indiana Jones. Leave it at that.

Yeah. All right. Listen. So that's our report today. Oh, you got this other one, I guess, real quick. But we can, I mean, this is John Kasden would return for solo sequel and wants to see Alden Aaron Rikeback as Han Solo. And he acknowledges make Solo to happen. like, uh, okay, no thanks. I mean, there's just no thanks. It's like, no, nobody really,

you, you, you, you in like 70 people want that. It's like, no, no thanks. It's like, I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. It's if that's that's not the, that's not the move to make when you're trying to build up a new, a strong. That idea of the legacy story, I don't think works. We've seen it fail twice. And it's over. You don't want to, you don't want to do that again and bring and bring somebody back like that just because like you know there's like a handful of people who really enjoyed it and and god bless them but it's like not that's not going to bring the star wars community together a solo movie you got to bring you got to bring something you got to bring something else and what and casson just oh and he's doing willow and i'm i don't know i'm

getting less excited about willow as it is about to hit it there's no buzz on that show really at all and it comes out like next week um so i don't know no thanks to solo too, but I don't know. We hear what the audience thinks if they care. I just don't think that's the plan. And the Tyco movie, I don't think ever sees a light of day. I'm with Mike on that. I think that they've, yeah, it's crazy.

We're going to get a lot of news, though, in the next, like, two years about all this. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Listen, happy Thanksgiving to everybody out there. Good holiday, guys. Yeah, enjoy your break. We'll be back next week.

Obviously, we're going to be taking more questions for you guys now that Andor is over. So any comments, please. put them out there in the comment section. I will get to them. I will want to hear your thoughts about Andor, about the Kathleen Kennedy situation, about the potential idea of films, all of it. Put it in there. Thank you guys so much. We appreciate you. And we will see you guys on the flip side, everybody. It is Sith Council for myself, Mike, and Steph.

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