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Episode Date: September 28, 2022Andor is in full effect. Episode 4 is in the books and we are back on some familiar grounds. The stakes are high and Andor is finding himself more and more involved. Stellan Skarsgard is doing incredi...ble work and Mon Mothma is back! Steph Sabraw and Kristian Harloff do a full spoiler review on the episode. Also a new report says the Disney wants Lucasfilm to do 2 video games a year. Good idea or bad? This and more on this episode of The Big Thing, Sith Council edition. #Andor #monmothma #starWars #disney #sith JOYMODE: Get 20 percent off on first order http://www.usejoymode.com/bigthing MYBOOKIE: Just visit http://www.MyBookie.ag and use promo code BIG THING. Double your deposit! AMAZON WISHLIST: https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/1KPH42T0TP0PG?ref=cm_sw_em_r_un_un_djbxgIW5ZQMMg PATREON: http://www.patreon.com/thebigthingshow SCHMOEDOWN ARCHIVE CHANNEL: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheMovieTriviaSchmoedownArchives Ask Kristian questions for next time! https://facebook.com/harloff Become a Patreon of the Schmoedown: http://patreon.com/schmoedown OTHER GREAT CONTENT: REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT368qY7sfE0nKE4c04CqGvu TV REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT1LU-t2Z9AD5UJDiWW4pS_E STAR WARS SHOW https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT0XmfpbblkF9PY7uO2qhbN6 THE BIG THING PODCAST https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT3KAwbzDsv6mdR-gwUiydQg - CM Punk Interview: https://youtu.be/R8Js8uj6GfE FOLLOW KRISTIAN + FIND HIM ON CAMEO https://cameo.com/kristianharloff https://twitter.com/kristianharloff https://facebook.com/harloff https://instagram.com/kristianharloff Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Hello, everybody. Welcome back to Sith Council. Man, big thing, Sith Council.
It's Wednesday. And yeah, we're going to be talking about Andor episode four.
It was awesome. Really awesome.
To be full spoilers, so get ready.
Also going to be, there's a report that Disney apparently wants Lucasfilm to put out video games every six months.
Good luck on that. But we'll talk about that.
There's any other news we'll talk about it.
but I'm really thinking we're going to be diving deep into this episode
and what we've been thinking about it.
There's no Jimmy Chicks today.
It's just me and Steph, so tough.
Deal with it.
It's not very nice to say to the audience right away.
I'll tell you that much.
You're here to join you and what are you saying?
You're telling them what to do.
Am I talking out loud?
I guess so.
I guess that's what you do is talk out loud.
Am I thinking out loud?
Who cares?
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All right.
Let's get into it.
It's Andor Man.
Spoiler heavy.
Sith Council, let's do it.
What's going on, everybody?
Welcome back.
Big thing, Sith Council.
I'm me.
You're you.
Steph Sabraugh.
Hello.
How you like in the studio stuff?
I love it.
Look at my guy right here.
He comes up very green.
I look how greeny looks.
Yeah.
It's looking great.
This part.
The stuff you can see on camera looks great.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There's just a lot of boxes right now.
Yeah.
Which is good.
Yeah, it feels like we're in a toy store.
It feels like we just moved in.
You can see the boxes.
Yeah.
We're still unpacking.
We are, and it's because the audience was so phenomenal, but you saw that light,
you got very, you got pumped up for that new light that just came in.
I'll tell you one thing.
Barbara Walters travels and has traveled with the same lighting people for like over 20 years.
Wow.
And that's how important lights are.
So thank you for giving me light.
Well, the lights that we used to have were terrible.
And it was just the lighting itself, not the lights themselves, but the lighting, it's so hard to light.
There's a lot of lights in here right now.
Yeah.
And we're going to, even these lights here, we're going to like mount them and stuff too because we have a new couch.
We have a, we have a really special guest coming in soon that we're going to, that I want to make sure that this whole thing is cleared out.
So it's not a mess.
If somebody wants to watch a movie, they can watch a movie back here.
It's really coming along.
And that and that is all because of you guys.
We thought this was going to take four months to do all of this.
And it's, it's taken a few weeks to just get it to look like this.
And it's getting better and better, better.
I've wanted a better looking shot.
I mean, you can't do anything with my face, but I wanted to do, I wanted to, thanks, Steph agrees.
But you wanted to do something with this.
No, no.
With this shot.
You can't go back now.
But anyway, thank you.
Look at this shot.
Yeah, it's awesome.
Stupid.
No more of that Skype shot that we used to have.
It's all gone.
Remember that you had the three shot.
Everyone, no, we were in the same room.
All right, it's, it's time to talk and or, man.
Because is this it?
No, that's House of the Dragon, but still, that's a good show, too.
That is.
That's, this is that, let's start with this.
We can start with this for.
and then we can get into Andor.
This Lucasfilm games, they really have not put out a ton of games, right?
And back in the day, their games were so great, so awesome, and they just haven't had a lot.
And this is a new report, and this is from Grant Davis over at Star Wars Newsnet.
A new report indicates that Disney wants to up their annual ante on Star Wars Gaming with each year
having one AAA title and one smaller scale game.
In 2013, it was anticipated that electronic arts would become a powerhouse in the gaming front for Lucasfilm's signature franchise for their 10-year exclusivity deal.
But unfortunately for Star Wars, the deal resulted in a number of canceled projects as the company's focus was on in-house games,
despite the release of two battlefront titles, squadrons and Jedi Fall in Order,
alongside various mobile offerings.
With the exclusivity part of the contract now expiring and Star Wars games being open to abundance of developers,
Disney's long-term plans for the franchise are more ambitious.
Now, according to Insider Gaming's Tom Henderson,
hello, Tom. I don't know, Tom.
I don't know why I said it like that, but hello, Tom.
Hey, Tom, what up. Disney, they are seeking to give Star Wars much more emphasis
on the gaming field going forward with the tentative plan to having a game in the franchise
arrive at least once every six months with each year, ideally having one event-level game
and one smaller-scale offering.
For a recap about the state of Star Wars Gaming,
we know that the following projects are in development.
Lego Star Wars, the Skywalker Saga, Galactic Edition.
Star Wars Eclipse, that's the one I'm looking for, by Quantic Dream.
Knights of the Republic remake by Saber Interactive.
Star Wars Hunters by Zignor.
Jedi Survivor by Respond Entertainment.
That's the sequel, right?
I think so.
Untitled FPS by Respawn Entertainment.
Untitled Strategy Game by Respawn Entertainment.
Amy Henning's Untitled Game by Skydance Media,
that one I'm looking forward to,
an untitled open world game by Ubisoft.
Mass of Henderson notes that his sources have indicated
that several edition titles are in the pre-element stage,
although some of the games mentioning above are four years away at least.
It's been said that Eclipse is likely the furthest out of these projects
due to complications with making Quantum Dreams engine expand
to fit the scale of the galaxy far far away,
a development nightmare for the studio.
Henderson also notes there are rumors for a tie-in game to the Mandalorian,
but those are largely expected.
Help me out.
Speculative.
Thank you, stuff.
Speculative,
based on how well that series has done.
With the amount of content that is in the pipeline, Lucasfilm,
could reasonably get as many games out as their parent company are pushing it.
It will be likely that a number of smaller titles will help bolster the company's ambitions
with mobile games such as hunters on titles on the scale of squadrons,
likely providing support of the months between new AAA releases.
All right, lots of kind of pack in here, Steph.
Yeah.
So when it comes to the games, I didn't, they announced it back in 2012 when they were doing
the canon, I was connecting the canon, the comic books, the books, and the games.
And at the same time, I was as excited for all the novels and comics I thought I was going to connect.
I do think that they might hold a little bit more weight with the video games because it's visual.
You know, they kind of ignore it a lot of times when they can just,
ah, it's the book, change them, no, it's going to care.
And they put them on YouTube.
People can, I watch them a lot.
Yeah, but the games, but you can see how,
that's why I'm still very confused,
wondering if they're going to be able to, curious,
if they're going to do tie-ins to like the Calcestus thing,
which I had heard from, that they were working on his own series.
That would start to play a lot more merit to how much they pay into,
how much merit they pay into Star Wars games in general.
Yeah, especially if there's a chance that more of them get developed.
I wonder if they're doing, like releasing a bunch of these in this time period to see which ones are hitting.
Yeah.
And then deciding from there if they're going to produce any of those into TV or film.
And I also wonder if you start to do, you know, a Mandalorian game, if that report is accurate,
that how much are Philonian Fabro involved in that?
And is that helping tell the story of whatever it is that happens in season three?
And they spin off of whatever happens with Bocatan.
Because I think there's kind of like a civil war coming down with Boketan and Dinn.
Personally, I might be wrong, but it just seems that way.
Yeah, it does.
Yeah.
It definitely does.
Yeah.
So I don't know.
I mean, I'm very curious with the Knights of the Republic.
I'm the Amy-Heneling thing, all that stuff that they have, I'm very curious in how they're going to play it.
I think that the obvious reason, obviously, that Disney wants more games is because they want to make more money.
And the gaming industry is huge.
And they don't, and here's a title that back in the day, like Star Wars had some of the best games out there.
And they just haven't been churning out a lot of good stuff lately.
And there's been all these problems that because, and maybe their strategy is right that, well, we try this one developer.
Let's screw this exclusivity shit.
stuff. Let's find it. Anybody who wants to make some games for us, let's do it. I think it's a good
strategy. Yeah, it's kind of reminding me of what they did with visions a little bit.
They're just like, we're like, let's see what all of you studios do. And then try to pick up
whatever works. Yeah, let's do it. Okay. So anyway, I'm very curious to hear what you guys
think. Do you think six months to a year, every six months, do you think it's a good strategy
for Lucasfilm to put out games? Do you want to see more games? Do you want them to wait?
I mean, I think the games are different in where it's like, hey, let's give it a shot.
At least we have another one that comes out six months later.
Or are you guys like, no, if the first game stinks, I'm not getting the second game six months later.
I really want to know because I'm not as locked into the gaming industry.
I will try everything Star Wars as far as video games go, but if you don't lock me in,
like even that, even Jedi Fallen Order, which is a fantastic game and the story is great,
it lost me because I'm not going to pretend that I'm this great gamer.
terrible. I'm a freaking noob. I was falling off cliffs every five minutes. That's a really hard.
And it's like it's just a matter of like, I like the games that it's like, okay, if you keep falling off a clip because you're a dummy, there's like something that pops up and goes, hey, stupid, walk over there.
And there's a lot of games that do that. And it's like, yeah, there's a lot of games.
Oh yeah, GTA does that. Even uncharted and uncharted. It's after a while. It pops up and it goes, hey, hint, stupid. If you keep doing the same thing, you're going to keep banging into the wall and lighting yourself on fire.
Make a right and go down the hallway, dumb, dumb.
Stop going down.
Stop going that way.
And they don't do that.
You just walk around.
You keep falling off cliffs in that game.
And it's like, no, don't treat me that I'm, I appreciate you thinking that I'm smart.
I'm a moron when it comes to this stuff.
Help me.
And that's, and I wanted to because I loved the story, but I'm like, I'm done.
I can't spend four hours in a moat.
A moat.
I just can't do it.
Anyway, I'll tell you where I can spend four hours.
Where?
If and or was four hours.
I'll tell you that right.
now. If Andrew had four hours, four hour episodes, I'd be okay with it. Um, because man,
this show is something else. It's getting into conversations with people. I, like, I, like,
if you don't, if you guys don't like it and you think it's boring, more power to you.
And that's fine. I, I would probably disagree with you on this more than anything that I
could disagree with you on. But it's, it's the truth.
This show is so engaging.
Yeah.
I don't get it.
I mean, it's people's opinions, and I'm not going to tell them anything else.
Are you seeing that still?
Yeah.
I get people like, oh, talk more like, and bore.
And I'm like, I'm like, dude, you're crazy.
It is so engaging and is so well written.
Yeah.
How do you think this show is boring?
It's like, how do you think this show is like a slow burn?
I'll give you that.
It's a slow burn, but when you get it, again, we're doing spoilers.
It's still burning.
Yes.
And by the time you get, you should take some medicine for that.
It's still itching.
What do I know?
Fucking idiot, I am.
So anyway.
Christian and I have been like.
Loopy.
Idiots.
Real idiot.
Hello, we're two idiots.
Welcome and join us.
But yeah, and again, episode four, total spoilers here.
His episode was so cool.
It was so incredible.
It was like some of the images, like I said, when I do this,
I play, like, you know, so Cassian, he doesn't want to be involved in this thing.
And he just kind of gets thrown into it.
Scars Guard is playing at another level with this performance right now.
Because he recruits him in and he tells him, he goes, look, man, what are you going to do?
He's like, take your odds with this, fight for something.
They jump in the light speed in that scene, which is incredible.
And he's like, let's just, let's just, I'm telling you, get involved.
Because I got something for you.
That's why he was there.
He wasn't there to help him out in that mission.
He just got caught up in that or that shootout.
He was there to recruit him because he's like,
this is a guy that can help us.
And then you get into that whole thing when he has a conversation with the girl outside.
And he has that moment where he's talking to her.
And she like kind of looks off the side and he goes, listen to me!
And you're like, whoa, this guy is.
He's like, and then it plays in even more so when you find out who he is.
He's a very powerful dude with the wig and all.
I mean.
Outfit change.
And total, if you ever wanted to know why this was the political intrigue spy thriller, that scene alone, when him and Mon Mothmar are talking, we'll talk about all the relics and stuff in a second.
But when they're in that scene, that was like, this is the show that they told you we were getting.
So there's so much.
Did you like this episode, by the way?
Yes, I love this episode.
I thought this episode was really important.
Not necessarily for me, because I was already convinced in the first three episodes, but because with a two episode premiere, three episodes.
premiere, like to stick that next episode landing, I think is really important.
And the first three were slower.
They were establishing new characters and an entire new story that we're seeing.
And this episode then, like, capitalized on what we were talking about last week with giving
what the trailer was saying it was, a spy thriller.
And the, every scene, there was so many different components of this episode with, like,
the ISB, with Mon Mothma, with Scarsgar.
So much.
With the new, like, this like new class of like what the rebellion looked like before it was actually formally formed.
And they're like living in the dirt.
It was about as grunt as you get.
And like, so what I loved about this episode was that it showcased what this show is going to be as far as a writing structure, right?
It changed.
This episode changed the arc.
Yeah.
The first three were about a specific arc.
And it was the arc of Andor got himself in trouble.
He killed those two dudes.
He has no purpose.
He's on the run.
He's got this back history about how he was raised,
the trauma he went through,
where he was, how he lost his sister,
all these types of things,
who these people are in his life,
how this woman, what she means to him,
these connections that he has,
the way that he's been living,
and then how that all goes to hell
and how he's got to get the hell out of there.
That's the angle.
Yeah.
And that's everything.
And then how he gets involved.
And now we're showing how he really gets involved
and how he starts to,
oh, that's perfect.
I lost my mouse.
We're going to be on the one.
white shot for the whole episode.
Not necessarily. No, I can do this.
I still have this. I love this dream deck.
So talk to the audience for second stuff.
Yeah, I thought that with the Andor, I know that Diego Luna had an article,
an interview where he was like, it is kind of unfair that it's called Andor because this
is a story about like all of us, about all of us forming this rebellion and being together as
the people.
And you see that in this episode.
Like there's so many moving parts.
It's not just him.
Right, but what it also does is that it doesn't, like,
you can argue for a couple of times, like, well, wait a minute,
this show really isn't about Boba Fett.
Because this is this whole thing that's about Mandalorian.
I love the episodes, but you can argue that.
This wasn't really about Obi-1.
This is more about trying to figure out whether or not Riva's going to be a,
you know, a good guy or bad guy.
You can make those arguments.
And this, it's like you can say, well, wait a minute,
but they're focusing on that woman in the empire.
What's different?
Very different.
Because we're showing the empire side of what's happening at the same time he's fighting for the rebellion.
This show still very much about Andrew.
Oh, yeah.
It's interconnected.
He is like the personification of like us.
Yeah, he's like the person who like he, Scars Guard found him when he didn't have purpose.
He was like looking for his sister but really didn't know who he was.
He wasn't doing anything but he hated the empire.
Now he's a part of something which is the point of the show.
100% he's getting involved in it and I love the idea and just the little things that they have to do
is just little nuances inside that just make the show so special for me like in the conversation that
that scars guard is having with the woman outside and she's like what are you talking about bringing this guy in
like we're we're about to go on this major mission and you're just throwing in some rando to like what
are you doing he's like trust my feelings on us I know this is like they're going to lose their minds
I can't present this.
He's like,
you know,
it's got to be the,
you're the one that,
that came up with this.
And she,
and I think she says it,
right?
Yeah.
And I got to figure out.
And she,
and she does that.
I love that.
I love the fact that she does it.
She goes in there and she tells them,
hey,
this is my idea,
because otherwise they're going to go,
wait,
we're just getting stuck with this guy.
Wait a minute.
No,
no, no,
she knows how to play it.
She knows,
she knows her people.
And I,
and then the dude who's sleeping is like,
hey, welcome along.
He's going out.
The nice one.
He's toast.
I know.
He's like the, he's the innocence of it.
Reminds me, you just watched Matrix recently, right?
Yeah.
So in the first episode, was the mouse, I think.
He's the one who creates the woman in red.
Yeah.
It reminds me of that type of character.
And he's like, welcome, Andor.
You know, thanks for coming along.
And he's toast.
But they all got to be toast eventually because where the hell are they?
We don't know.
How about the Easter eggs, by the way, throughout this?
So for people who are saying there's no Easter eggs,
there's tons of Easter eggs in this thing.
tons of it.
And especially the one that was mentioned was Scariff.
When you talk about Scariff,
they're developing stuff on Scariff,
and we know we're going to go to Scariff.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There's so much.
I know.
And even with the,
when we go to Mon Mothma's house,
this part,
first of all,
I want to know where that place is.
I want to live in that house.
The husband's amazing.
Oh my gosh.
I've never seen a character like that in Star Wars.
Like,
he's like a stay-at-home wife.
He's a stay-at-home husband.
And just reaping the benefits of being rich.
Yeah.
That's all I was supposed to do.
But they're fun.
Even though they're evil empire.
And she's like you're inviting Palpatine's like right hand woman and we're just
going to sit and have dinner with them.
He's like, yeah.
He's like, can't it be fun?
He's like, come on.
I love that.
It was amazing.
It was amazing because there's also like what I didn't, I never knew Mon Mothma was married.
Yeah.
And that's the little things that they do.
And it's not just like so random.
like it's showing how she got involved and showing the conversation that they have to have in these back rooms
and the idea that he's got to put this wig on and he's got this big elaborate personality and he's an inside
spy and then all this stuff happening with the empire remember i told you when we talked about this i said
when i came to and or the only thing that i'm going to be hoping for because it's going to make this show
interesting to me is if if they focus on and we get his backstory and stuff yeah that can be interesting and it turns out it
I go, but you got to do a counterpart and show me what's going on with the empire.
Yeah, I have to.
Because I need to show, like, show me the intrigue.
Show me the, show me the idea.
Show me the strife going on with them and show me the human side.
And we're seeing that with that female imperial officer who's figuring this stuff out.
And she's like, and how we've been in situations where it's like, someone has an idea.
It is the better idea.
But the superior doesn't want that person to jump them.
So they go, no, no, nah, no, sit back.
And then the main dude is going, I like what you're doing, chill.
Yeah.
Yeah, that is so good.
This was so, so good.
The entire ISB, the writing in these scenes were excellent.
When he was talking about how this is an illness and what we do is extinguish the symptoms of any sort of rebellion.
I was like, yes.
Because they don't even realize how serious it is yet.
Yeah.
And even when you see like everything that happened with, again, arc one where you have the dude who is, he's going to go home, his mom slaps him in the face.
Oh, yeah.
He's, he's in rock bottom right now.
And, you know, that's going to turn him into like this really rotten dude, this whole thing.
And how he's now, and they have that whole lineup where now the, the Imperials are taken over now.
And it was, and Mustash Magoo is sitting up there going, I told, what am I?
I told him.
And they're like, you're part of this.
You're in trouble too.
You should, you know, contain your house.
And he didn't because he should have, he just walked off.
Yeah, he shouldn't have, no, he shouldn't have let them do anything.
That guy had it right.
Yeah.
Because the empire is looking for any excuse to have more control in every region
that they have some sort of control over.
And so they're doing that.
Like, they're waiting for this.
Because if that, if that guy listens to Mustache Magoo,
And Andor is just kind of off to do his own thing
And no one's hunting for him.
Andor's just, you know, probably still looking over his shoulder,
wondering if everybody's going to come under him.
But he just goes off and continue to do the same thing.
If Scarsford comes to recruit me, he's like, nah, I'm good.
I don't have any strife right now and nobody's bothering me.
I'm okay.
Yeah.
And then he never gets involved.
And who knows what then happens with Scariff and all that too.
So Mustash Magoo, unsung, you know, potential hero there.
Mushaws McGoo had it going on.
He did.
No one was listening.
Great mustache.
But there's just so much going on, like the dynamic already.
And it was the longest episode so far.
It's like 45 minutes or something.
The first three were like 31, 32.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
So they're short about it.
I love. See, Corrissan.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, that was so good to go back to Corrason.
And finally not going back to Tatouin.
We're on Corrason finally.
And it's like we get Corrason and I was wondering like, what is Corrisson going to look like?
And they show you and they show it by,
revealing Scars Guard and
the politics of it. I think
that's the back and forth that I can't wait
to keep going back to Coruscant to learn more about
the empire has taken over like cockroaches.
Yeah. They have taken over.
And it's like, will we see a Jedi temple?
We've seen a lot of relics.
And I have the picture.
It's my stupid mouse died.
But Star Killer, his armor.
So that's, people have been asking, like,
that's Star Killer's armor.
Is Star Killer canon now? Is he not?
Is it just very similar to something else?
Was it just kind of a nod?
It was a lot.
There were a lot of Easter eggs in that little relic scene.
Yeah, I love that relic scene because it also, it was so perfectly played.
And then it made me question like, so Scarsguard is his main persona, this.
And then his like hidden persona is becoming part of the rebellion.
Because the main woman he was working with in like the, she's like the rebellion leader there.
She is the only one who knows about him, right?
the rest of this team doesn't know about him.
It seems like it.
Yeah.
So I wonder, I just want to know more about his character.
Like, how did he get involved?
How does he know Mon Mothla?
He looks to be the architect of the entire rebellion.
Yeah.
And his assistant seems in on it too.
Absolutely.
Right?
Yeah, of course.
But he seems to have gotten hurt.
But he seems to be the guy that started this whole thing.
And Mon Mothma says to him at one point, she goes, I have someone that can help.
And I did my watch along and I was like, bail.
It's got to be bail.
Yeah.
It's got to be bail.
I think so, too.
And that's probably because, you know, we, we always think about that there's a scene that was cut in the pre, in Revenge of the Sith where Padme and Bail Argonah and Mothma are all sitting around talking about the rebellion.
But that's not canon because it was cut.
So you can include bail differently if you wanted to.
Because there were some people who were saying, well, wait a minute, we already know that they had that whole scene.
Yeah, but that's not, that's not, that never made.
It was cut.
So, but that was very interesting.
I just, but Mawthma getting down, man, with her, with her husband.
I didn't know she was getting down.
And I wonder if they're using Joy Mode.
I've got to ask.
I'm very curious if they're using Joy Mode.
So for people who don't know what Joy Mode is, and I'll tell you right now, if you are a kid watching this one, people say, hey, you talk about Joy Mode.
And you still worry about kids watching this one.
That's why I put time code.
Skip along, kids.
Joy Mode, for people who want to know about it.
It is a sexual performance booster.
And I said, what the hell is it exactly, though?
Well, a lot of times people are standing around on a gas station
bathroom or gas station line.
I look over and you see these pills.
Oh, these are good pills.
I'm going to use these.
They're terrible for you.
They're not good.
They're really bad stuff and they can hurt your system.
And a lot of times, even the prescription ones are not great
because they can make you last for about four or five hours.
And who needs that?
Joy mode is basically the same thing you do for like a workout for,
when you go into the gym, take a supplement.
Same thing.
Well, I don't need it.
I got no problems.
It's not about having problems.
If you have problems, it's going to help you out.
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Getting you ready.
Getting you in the mood.
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There's no, there's no joke.
It's really good stuff.
It's like you got to see the you got to see the
The peeps
Every time they always ask
I'll let something they want to bubbly
And they go no you have any joy mode
People love the joy mode
So check it out
Get yourself from join mode
Anyway
Let's get back into this thing
Know what I also love
The entire premise of their heist
So like he was like
This box doesn't mean anything
We're going to like take the payroll
Of an entire fleet of the empire
And then we're going to do it by recognizing the environment and the nature and like honoring that on a solstice event, which is like the I love them playing into like technology and environment in this.
Because that's always been a theme of Star Wars.
Very much so.
Yeah, very much so.
And the fact that that thing that they had to leave behind the box, whatever, that's ultimately what is leading the imperial, the woman's investigation and what she's figuring out and how she's playing into it.
and the dynamic of how that's how that's building up and looking at that it's not just this
kumbaya feeling with the empire they're all at each other's throats they're all each other's yeah it's
she's like i have a feeling and they're like what do you mean she's like i just have a feeling it's like
she's kind of using her intuition and they're like shut up well and it's funny though too because even
the so the younger guy is clearly threatened by her yeah older dude isn't threatened by her he's just
He's more like, chill.
I think you're great.
I think you've got a lot of potential, but chill on this one.
And do that, he's fantastic.
Yeah.
Like when he's leading that boardroom going, it reminds me of me when I get out,
when I, when I'm, when I get fed up with people, he's just like, who's that?
Morons.
Okay, next.
Next piece of business.
Yeah.
And I was like, yeah, I can relate.
But he, that was such a great imperial, like, thing.
The boss man just sitting there going, okay, you.
do this, you do that, wait, you said what?
No, no, no, no.
And moving on and going around, I thought it was such a great scene and it was such a great
imperial scene.
I watched that, again, on the, on the, you can see my, um, my reaction to that episode.
And I was just like, oh, man, that is like, I was so appreciative to, to, I think Tony
Gilroy wrote this one, or might have been his brother.
This is his brother.
And I said, I was so appreciative to the writers on this episode, like just saying, you know,
the Star Wars fans, like, you know, the Star Wars fans, like, you know,
They don't just need the boom boom.
Let them listen to this.
Let them marinate in this.
Let them understand what's going on here.
Let them get more acquainted with the characters and be able to,
and how that's going to affect them.
And it was just like so nice to feel that.
And instead of having,
and that's why I wish Mike was on the show for this one,
because this was what I was,
I almost spoiled it last week for him because I was like,
I was like, oh, you haven't seen the empire yet.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I wanted him to see.
So I was so curious how he felt about this one.
I know.
I wonder how we've, I'm sure you liked it, but I, yeah, there was no like your mom jokes.
No.
In it, like, it was very serious.
And it was a different, it was like one of the longer types of, um, strategizing scenes we've seen of the empire and most of the shows that we've seen, or movies even.
Easily.
And it was, and that was, I think that's why for some people that maybe board with their or two, they're, they're waiting for something like to happen.
Like, oh, nothing big happened.
No big action scenes.
Yeah, but when it does happen, it will matter.
It's going to matter so much more because of the investment.
Now, they're setting this up like a Top Gun Maverick mission, how it's so hard.
Like how many, like, and to that argument, people go, you mean like episode four?
Yeah, kind of.
Where they're going on this impossible mission where there's little of them.
They don't know.
And it's, it almost has like this walking dead feel to it, you know, where it's like this small group that's got to infiltrate and do this thing.
And the way that it's set up, oh, and when the Thai fighters come in, when they're walking, all the sound, I was like, that is such a great scene because it's so beautiful too.
Yeah, it felt real.
These locations.
They're in Scotland and it's just like, I want to be there.
It looked so good.
It looks so good.
And the music, oh, the music is so good.
Like, just the stuff that they play when, like, the certain music that's playing when Scars is on and the themes and the tone and it's just, it's treated.
it just feels like it's treated with this kind of care that I've been waiting.
Not that the other shows haven't been treated with care.
In their own ways that they have been.
There's no doubt about it.
But there's just something different about this show that's more up my alley.
And that's the thing.
Is that for, again, for people who are, and I'm sure we'll get some here today,
that people think the show is just slow and they're bored by it.
And the one that, the thing that I don't, I just can't be on board with is because I've been changed by it.
is the initial thought of, well, I know what happens to Andor, so why do I care about this series?
Like now, if you've watched this show, you know the answer to that.
It's not about what happens to Andor.
That has nothing to do with the show anymore.
It's about the formation of this entire thing and how that came to be and the people that did form in the sacrifice that made.
How do we lose them?
Because we're going to lose a lot of them.
The majority of people in this show are going to either be killed off or going to disappear or go away.
Yeah.
Because you don't know anyone.
Yeah.
Like that's the thing.
So why do I care?
Because they're telling you they're introducing.
using you to new people that you're going to care about.
I already, I don't want, what's there, Adriene, Arjona?
Is that it?
I don't know.
I have to learn her name because I think she's.
She's amazing.
She's so good.
I just watched her in the Father of the Bride.
They did a remake of it.
Yeah.
Was she the Bride?
Yeah.
And she's great.
She is awesome.
Yeah, I love her.
And I don't want her to die, and I know she has to.
I know.
And that's probably going to piss him off even more and put him in more of a dark place when we
when we finally get to Rogue One.
Yeah.
And I don't want to lose her.
I've known her for three episodes.
Yeah.
And I care that much about her.
So people go, oh, why do I care?
That's why you care.
Because they're saying, I don't want Scar's Guard to die.
I know he's got him.
Yeah, I know.
I don't want these new imperials and all these other people.
It's like you're just saying it already.
You know they're going to go or they're going to leave or they're going to disappear
or they're going to turn on people.
They're going to do all this stuff.
That's why.
It's a game with their own.
Yes.
Yes.
And that's why I care.
So why do I care if I know what happens to Andor because you don't happen to anyone else.
it's like if it was if it was everyone else and by the way you knew it was going to happen to
Anakin you knew it was going to happen to obiwan yeah you knew it was going to happen to everybody
else you still watched the prequels yeah facts yeah so it's yeah i know it's all about execution
say it's well written it's well shot and there's a story outside of the one you know you don't
know exactly how the rebellion was built from nothing and then showed up in episode four or a rogue
one struggle that they have to go through and the sacrifice you got that in rogue one the amount of
sacrifice, especially that Andrew had to make, when he kills the guy in cold blood.
Yeah, and you wonder how he even got there.
Like, how did he get there?
And that's why I like how they started the first episode with him incidentally shooting
and killing two people, because that's like, it seems like that was the first time that's
ever happened, you know?
And then it goes to the beginning of Rogue One where he kills someone thoughtlessly.
Like, you know, he was just, like, built for it.
But one of the main criticisms that people had from Rogue One was similar to Eternals where they're like,
I just couldn't get on, like I couldn't get invested in the characters in that amount of time.
And then I, but I feel like this is doing, that's filling that.
A hundred percent.
Because there's episodes.
I think by the time you get to Rogue One after spending two seasons with this character
and the people involved in it, I think it is very much a decision to elevate Rogue One and make,
and this is, and Rogue One is going to serve as an episode.
episode to this show.
I think Rogue One is the series finale, to be honest with you.
Oh, that's interesting.
I feel like that's what it's going to feel like.
Yeah, I think that's probably really accurate.
And I hope, I really hope that...
That'd be cool.
I mean, I hope Tony Gilroy continues on to do more inside of the Star Wars universe.
He's great right now.
It's just, it's just, it feels a real television.
Yeah.
It just feels like real television.
And I'm, and I'm, I still, if I, I'm only four episodes in.
So if I'm going to, I'm still putting Mandalorian season two is my favorite with season
one of Mandalorian right there.
Andor could, could run in parallel with season one of Mandalorian.
I don't know yet.
I see how it ends.
But then I would put Andor in the three spot.
I would put Obi-1 in the four spot and then, and then Boba-Fed in the five.
I'm not including animated.
Yeah.
For this ranking.
Yeah, that would be really, okay, yeah, it's hard because we're only four episodes in,
but I would probably put season two Mandalorian.
I guess Andor right now.
Over season one?
Maybe.
Yeah, I would say so.
It's a stronger, I think, intro, a premiere.
I don't deserve it.
And then Mando's season one than OB1, then, yeah.
What's so funny, though, too, is that I would choose, and that's why I think it's more of a Mandalorian thing.
If you were like, you could only, if you could only,
watch anything from either Obi-Wan or Boba-Fet, what would you watch?
I would choose the Luke Skywalker episode from Boba-Fat.
There's nothing to do a Boba-Fat.
Or the Mandalorian episode on Boba-Fet as not to do with Boba-Fet.
So that's why I don't really count it as much.
I think that those episodes are some of the best Star Wars material ever.
It's really good.
Ever.
Like the one with Grogu Levin Luke in that episode, that's some of the best Star Wars television.
Like the, what's your scene?
And that, yeah, in that pre-that scene, I could watch those two episodes back to back.
I could watch those over and over and over.
Yeah.
So, like, that was, that was some great Star Wars content.
So that's what I'm saying.
There's stuff inside of all of them.
And the fights in Obi-Wan, like, we're really good.
There's just, there's just disappointing stuff in that one, obviously.
So I don't know.
But I just haven't been disappointed in this one.
And the characters, you know what, it all seems,
because I said this the other day
but when I was talking about she-hold
and the stupid response I get is a, well,
I said that it doesn't feel real.
The characters don't feel real.
And someone goes, well, it's a Marvel superhero movie.
Of course it doesn't feel real.
I'm like, Iron Man feels real.
Superhero.
Scarlet Witch
feels real to me.
The characters feel real.
Like as far as like I believe that they exist.
Yeah.
I'm not telling you that I need them to be real people.
I'm telling you that I feel like
they're real and they don't feel like just, you know,
television characters.
And when Leah's running around the woods with flea,
it doesn't feel real.
Like, and then this show feels real.
Yeah, it really does.
It feels living.
From the beginning.
Like, from the first shot into the last one we saw,
it's just excellent.
Excellent.
It's so,
and that's like at a time,
and we talked about this last week where it's like,
we're talking about this is coming out with House of the Dragon,
rings of power
She-Hulk
We're at the peak of television
This entire year in it
It stands on its own
They have so much on right now
And again if I was to rank all of those
At the moment I would put
I still put House of the Dragon
As number one
And or at number two
Yeah rings of power three
And then She-hawk a four out of those four
I think maybe I like
I would put and or before House of the Dragon
And then House of the Dragon
And then Rings of Power
Then She-Hulk
Yeah, it's just House of the Dragon is just doing
It's excellent
It's just I can't
They just like make me so
I'm just like let's talk about the characters
Like I'm just so invested in their game
Right and that's why I like Andor also
It's just good television writing
It's just good writing and you can
I think that the good thing is you know
You can always bet on Tony Gilroy to do that
And if you like betting you can
You can also bet on oh my gosh
I had it
That's not changing
No
Darn it
Darn it
Can we charge the mouth
I think it charged.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
I'm going to try this right now and see if it actually worked this time.
But I had it, Steph.
I know.
That was like a really swat of transition, too.
I thought so.
I'm going to tell everybody.
Now that stupid thing is doing it.
All right.
Well, I'll tell you about it without showing you the logo, unfortunately.
I can't do that right now.
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We'll switch over.
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I'll come back to it.
But let's continue.
We'll talk about Andrew a little bit more.
So what else stuff did you see in this episode that you really liked?
Well, I'm trying to think of all the different scenes that we saw.
But I just like that we got to so many different locations in one episode.
And then we're like establishing these characters that I wanted to ask you with the core.
Like I think there was like five of them that Scars Guard was setting Cassian up with or and or to me up with.
one of them, did you watch Bear?
No, I hear great things.
Okay, so the brother in Bear is one of them.
And he was like the blue-eyed, he's in so many different shows.
You know who I'm talking about?
He was like the one with attitude.
Was he in Game of Thrones also?
Maybe.
Okay.
He has like attitude towards Andor.
And I'm like, is he, are we all on the same team here?
Is there one bad app on this?
That usually happens.
There's somebody who's trying to help out the empire and saying, like, look, I had this
inside track.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Too hasty and makes the wrong decision.
Maybe.
Maybe.
I'm wondering where they're going to go with this storyline in general.
I'm very curious how it's going to play.
We're going to go on this mission.
And I'm pretty sure, and I don't know if I made this up.
But I remember Tony Gilroy saying at Star Wars Celebration that there was like these three episode arcs they were going to do for each one.
It was going to go three, six, nine, 12.
The first three we got and the second three is going to be this mission.
I think that the second episode, well, episode five will be them getting to the mission.
Episode six will be the mission.
And then whatever transpires after that, then there's a new mission or new arc from 7, 8, 9,
and then 10, 11, 12 is the end.
Now, whether or not we see K2SO in the finale of season one or in the beginning of season two,
very interesting.
I want to see K2 Oso, but, yeah, yeah.
But we, I know he's coming, so it's okay.
Yeah, well, that's, and well, that's what I love.
about when they had um it's tutic right isn't allan tudick that does the voice yeah so when they had
alan tutic up on uh on stage he announced they was coming in then he said no i'm not i'm not i'm not in
this season which i really like i want to see though i'm very curious this this is going to go back
to the conversation we just had they set up in the and or comic how k2 so and ender met it's it's
in canon so i wonder if they retcon that for the tv show i feel like tony gilroy was but that's not how
i want them to me yeah it changes it
That would be okay with me.
I think it would be okay with everybody,
but that's my overall point about the comics and the book.
They don't, they just, they just go, eh, yeah, that's fine.
The books are comics.
I'm not going to care.
I would be okay with that if they were willing to get inspired by the books and comics, too.
Adapt the damn book.
You know?
Adapt the damn book.
And I say that every week, and I don't care people are getting tired of it.
I say it all the time.
Adapt it.
You have so many opportunities.
and if you turn that Darth Blankest book into a six episode minisheers,
I guarantee it's one of the,
and do it like this,
like this dark and not like,
not cartoony and not like,
you know,
you can't make that one for kids.
You got to make that one dark.
That's going to get a lot of people talking.
That's what I'm,
I wonder how,
have you anything on the ratings on this one yet?
No,
I'll look it up.
Yeah,
why do you look at what?
Another thing that I did want to comment on,
we talked about Scarsguard when he was changing,
but the way he changed his accent.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That was insane.
It was really good.
It was so good.
He's really good. He's, he's, he's, because I was wondering, I was like, you have such an obvious voice, my man.
Like, what are you going to do?
And then he just changed it up.
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Okay, let's see.
I think that for the majority of it, we covered a lot,
but I'm just, I think that I can go through,
I'll see if I can go through some of these relics here.
This conversation between the two of them stuff was so good.
Look at that hair.
That hair is so, he looks, but he does.
He looks like sheaf.
Yeah.
I would have loved to watch them film the scene.
Oh, man.
They probably had so much fun.
Genevieve of O'Reilly did such a great job.
She's your favorite right now, right?
Yeah, she's my favorite character right now.
Yeah, I would say I would put him at my, at my top with her.
She's right there after like one episode.
I mean, Andor doesn't count because it's his show.
No, yeah.
She is so captivating.
Yeah.
I like want her to give me a tour of her house, like MTV Cripp style.
I'll tell you what Diego Luna is doing is a great snarl.
Oh my gosh, obsessed with him.
Great.
He is like that guy.
He's so good.
He's so good.
He's really good.
And he's, and there is more involvement.
So I always, the Cassie and Andor and Rogue one.
he's good because it's Diego Luna, right?
But it's, but he's, it is, and he's not that layered.
No.
You know that he's, he's this part, he's part of the rebellion.
He, they use him as this kind of tool to intimidate to get the information out.
And then he's, he's a company guy, right?
He does, he does the job.
And then he responds to, Jinn or so helps her out, makes the sacrifice, does the thing.
That's the ultimate of really what he is.
He's not so laired that you...
No, he's like super hardened by that time.
But it's not, when you watch that, you're not...
And that's why a lot of people did say, myself included, from that movie, there is no world where I'm going, well, I want to learn more about that guy.
I want to know more of that.
I wish you would make a TV show about that guy.
But we didn't see that, but clearly they did.
And he is more interesting, way more interesting in these episodes than he had...
Because that movie was a little over two hours long, whatever it was.
So far the first three episodes were about an hour and a half or so.
Way more interesting in that hour and a half than in those two hour movies so far.
And I love Rogue One.
But this is Diego Luna really putting it into.
Cassie Nandor is a phenomenal character.
And here's the armor, by the way.
This is the, if you guys are familiar with the character of Star Killer, Sam Whitwarded.
This is the armor that he wore.
Now, this doesn't necessarily mean that it is Star Killer's armor.
It just means that this armor is now indeed cannon,
and somebody wore it at some point.
Yeah, it's so sick.
Yeah.
I mean, I wonder how heavy that headpiece is.
I don't know, but it looks really great.
Yeah.
It looks really.
You really almost an alien has to wear that thing
because otherwise, you know, for a human,
yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But, yeah, so that's, to me, that's a great,
it's a great shot.
And there's some more of this relics in there anymore of them.
No, he's just all.
He's so.
Such a cool.
Yeah, he really is.
It really is.
We did that one.
And then that was to the scene.
Right now, the show is at 90% by the critics and 82% for audience.
That's great.
And what was Obi-Wan?
If I was going to guess, I would say Obi-Wan is at 80 or 81 from critics and 65 from fans.
It's an 82 from critic?
Did you see this?
Oh, my God.
Is that an 82 from critics?
and a 64 from audience.
I swear to God, I didn't look at it.
I swear to God.
It just makes sense to me.
Let's just make sense.
Now, let's try BobaFat.
Okay.
Boba Fett, I bet you it was at 76 from critics and 50 from the audience.
This is so bad.
66 from critics.
56 from audience.
Yeah.
That's bad.
That's bad.
That's bad.
Yeah.
It just, it just, it shows just boring.
That show is boring.
It's just like, you know who is the most interesting character and the only one who kept a gangster?
Mingnawan.
100%.
She was the only one that I get.
The only gangster.
And I'm going to say this, and I think I said it last week, but imagine if BobaFat was shot like this show.
Yeah.
And now, I don't want people to think, and I won't be saying this, there are certain, like,
Skeleton crew, I don't need to be shot like this show.
It's with kids.
Maybe in a serious tone, I don't want it to be goofy,
but this bleak with kids, I don't think I want to see that.
Yeah, you know, like in comparison, after watching this show,
because I liked Boba, like there was fun parts,
but do you know what it feels like?
It feels like kids with a bunch of toys making a story.
Oh, and then the rancor comes.
And then he's going to do this and then Cabin's going to show up.
Like that's what it feels like in hindsight.
And I think that they admitted that.
I think that they had said that a couple different times that,
but I think that you can do,
I think you can do both because you can make it like,
okay, well, what if we do this with the toys and then we do that?
And because look at Robert Rodriguez from his episode on Mandalorian.
And when Bobafet comes in,
that's him playing with his Bobafet toys and then Boba Fed comes down,
but it was in a real location, everything, too,
and it just looked and felt authentic.
Yeah, because the story was intertwined with something bigger.
It was just too much, it was very similar to my issues that we talked about on,
I think we're going to talk about it a lot tomorrow on Big Thing.
And that's directors, whether it's a Sam Ramey, Tycho Attee,
and even Chloe's Out, which I really liked Eternals,
but the Marvel directors have had this problem recently,
of letting the directors taking over the IP,
taken over the product, right?
They never used to do that as much with Marvel,
but they've been doing it recently.
And I think that that's what happened in Boba Fett.
Robert Rodriguez's style, I think,
overpowered Boba Fett for the most part,
except during those two episodes.
Yeah, it was a different story.
It felt more like Mandalorian,
which feels like Star Wars.
And in general, telling the tone,
like it doesn't,
Follone's style is Star Wars, right?
So he doesn't, the only,
The only episode that Floney has done that I didn't love was, I think, the Hey Mando episode from season one.
It was Jake Connervali's kid, you know, or that were maybe, we know, no, it was Jake Carnarola.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, that was my least favorite of the season.
That was the only one.
Every other episode.
But it's not like I didn't like, it's not like I hated it.
It was just not my favorite.
Every other episode he did was fantastic.
The pilot of the epit of Mandalorian, he did, what was the other one he did?
Shoot, he did.
He did the Osoka.
he did.
Yeah,
he's,
everything else that he's done has been,
has been great.
Yeah.
And I'm not telling you just because how much.
Hey, Mando.
He's,
Hey Mando.
Look.
Hey Mando.
Silly.
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We got the spoiler review.
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And then Bad Batch is coming out.
And then,
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Star Wars stuff for sure.
Yeah, there's
more casting
and acolyte though
before we go stuff
there's more casting an acolyte
they keep casting people
so it
we talked it's going to happen
I just wonder
if they're going to ever talk about it
like if Lucas films
ever going to bring it up
besides like on a red carpet
somewhere like
Yeah I think that they're finalizing
the script stuff
So you think London
they're going to go
heavy into it. Yeah, I think they need to do what Ryan Reynolds did with his Deadpool 3 announcement.
Like make something fun, be like, yeah, we were late. And this is what we're doing.
It's funny that you say that, though. I wonder, does the accol- this is a great question.
Does the acolyte need, because their cast right now is fantastic.
Sick. Sick.
The cast that they're adding right now is fantastic.
If you were into the overall idea of, what is it?
If you're into the space, the TV space, and you watch Squid Game or all these other shows and you're familiar,
if you're not familiar, if you're just like a casual, you don't know a lot of these people.
So do they need one big star casting?
And it's not even necessarily like a major movie star or somebody, but say, look, you look at Russian Doll.
Natasha Leon, right?
She's not like a major star,
but she's a very recognizable star,
and she's much more of a big star now, obviously.
But someone like that, right?
Someone like a name,
like a Jude Law for Skeleton,
that's a really big name.
Does the Ackleite need a name in order to get,
because a lot of people, besides like us,
a lot of people don't know about this show
or what this show is or even excited about this show.
Some people have told me,
well, I didn't even know what this show was
until I heard you guys talking about it.
Amanda is pretty big.
but yeah, I do think perhaps they're waiting.
You think for like Gen Zine millennials.
Okay.
Yeah, Amandaa is pretty known,
but I do think that they're probably going to have one bigger person.
It's good call.
Because Ackleit is, if you look at the title,
it doesn't say anything to an Allay, Star Wars fan.
No, you have to say Star Wars the Acklechlech.
Yeah.
First of all, and I think you got, I think, and I don't think as a lead,
I think Amanda is the lead,
but I think you need a big name.
I think you need one big name just to get people,
oh, that person's in this show?
Yeah, I would agree with that.
Yeah, and it doesn't have to be a major role.
It's just something to say, oh, well, go and check for seven of these.
I'm in this new show, the Accolades to Star Wars show.
And just to get them on the talk show scene.
Get Sam Ray, I mean, um.
Walkwell?
No, Romney Malick in there.
I would love to see him as a Sith.
He's such a good villain.
And look, we're not done with casting.
No.
So we don't know.
But I would like to see.
And look, maybe also, Leslie Headlin is that the,
she could say, I don't need any stars.
I'm confident enough in my script,
in the script that's being written,
I'm confident enough in the direction,
I'm confident enough of what we're doing,
the story we're telling,
that if the Star Wars fans will give this show enough buzz,
I don't need a star.
That very well could be the same case, too.
Yeah, it's interesting because I'm looking at like House of the Dragon
in Rings of Power.
And if you've been following any of the lead actors
from both of those shows,
both of them were,
they've had some established actors,
but a lot of new faces in both of those shows.
Sure. Matt Smith is probably,
but that's what I mean, though.
Matt Smith with the Doctor Who and stuff.
Yeah.
And the Crown, like he's,
he's recognizable enough to different audiences.
Like, someone like that is kind of what I mean.
Totally.
But other than him, everyone else is pretty new.
Right.
But if you, so as a case study,
if you follow those,
those are both attached.
to IPs and not only IPs, but stories that we know.
Ackleit's not like that, right?
And the Rings of Power people have, if you look at their social media,
they're like staying at like, you know, 20,000, 50,000.
The Game of Thrones or the House of the Dragon actors are like,
they went from like blowing up.
Which that's a great point because, and when you look at Lord of the Rings,
it's one of the shows that it's, to me, it's a fine show.
It's not must watch television.
It's a fine show.
Yeah.
House of the Dragons is a must watch.
It's must watch.
And I think that anything you have a must watch show, yeah, it's going to build up.
Now, another point that you made that was really good was the fact that you didn't really need a major star, even if Matt Smith or not, for Game of Thrones because it carries the name.
Yeah.
And the story.
Lord of the Rings carries the name, right?
It's Lord of the Rings.
But the Acolyte, you've got to lead with Star Wars, the Acolyte, because otherwise you're going to get a Bumblebee situation.
Bubblebee is hands down the best Transformers movie.
Hands down.
Why the hell did you call it bumblebee?
Or not Transformers, colon, bumblebee.
Yeah.
That's what they should have called it.
It's the best Transformers movie.
It's so good.
Hands down.
And they're going to make another crap piece like they used to because bumblebee didn't do that well.
And that and that and you, I don't want that to happen to the accolade, but the benefit that they have is that it's on streaming.
Yeah.
When you hear there's a new Star Wars show, I don't know what this is, but it's a,
Star Wars, I'll watch.
Yeah.
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