The Kristian Harloff Show - ANDOR EPISODE 8 Spoiler Discussion! | Kathleen Kennedy | Lindelof | Tales of The Jedi | Sith Council

Episode Date: October 26, 2022

Andor Episode 8 is now streaming and the show keeps on getting better and better. There were some surprises, where does it stand and where will it go? Tales of the Jedi also released, did it live up to the hype? Kathleen Kennedy has been asked to stop announcing film projects before they are ready to go and Damon Lindelof's movie heats up. This and more on today's Sith Council with Kristian Harloff, Steph Sabraw and Mike Kalinowski. #StarWars #Andor #Talesofthejedi #kathleenkennedy CHECK OUT THE OFFICIAL LORD OF THE RINGS PODCAST ON AMAZON. THANKS TO WONDERY! TIME CODES: 00:00 Intro 4:30 ANDOR Episode 8 Spoiler Discussion 32:21 LORD OF THE RINGS OFFICIAL PODCAST WONDERY 34:02 Lindelof movie getting more realistic, time period, writers etc 48:40 Tales of the Jedi NON SPOILER discussion. 54:00 Kathleen Kennedy asked to stop making premature film announcements. 1:02:18 Something scares the hell out of us 1:03:04 OUTRO OUR MERCH STORE IS LIVE: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/the-big-thing-kh-channel?ref_id=27393 AMAZON WISHLIST: https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/1KPH42T0TP0PG?ref=cm_sw_em_r_un_un_djbxgIW5ZQMMg PATREON: http://www.patreon.com/thebigthingshow SCHMOEDOWN ARCHIVE CHANNEL: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheMovieTriviaSchmoedownArchives Ask Kristian questions for next time! https://facebook.com/harloff Become a Patreon of the Schmoedown: http://patreon.com/schmoedown OTHER GREAT CONTENT: REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT368qY7sfE0nKE4c04CqGvu TV REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT1LU-t2Z9AD5UJDiWW4pS_E STAR WARS SHOW https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT0XmfpbblkF9PY7uO2qhbN6 THE BIG THING PODCAST https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT3KAwbzDsv6mdR-gwUiydQg FOLLOW KRISTIAN + FIND HIM ON CAMEO https://cameo.com/kristianharloff https://twitter.com/kristianharloff https://facebook.com/harloff https://instagram.com/kristianharloff Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Yeah. Yeah, boy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's up, man? What's going on? I'm good, good. We're in the, as Al Pacino would say, we're in the dark here. You understand?

What? We're in the dark. Oh, yeah, I like the red light. Which one's that from? Cinta Woman. That was your Pacino from Centive Woman? I didn't really do it that much. I'm just getting warmed up.

Who's that? A little piece of tail? Is this a little piece of a woman? Well, speaking of movies we're going to watch, I can announce this. I haven't announced this yet. Steph and I are going to be watching the Rocky series. We're going to be doing full-on, first time watches for Steph.

Steph's scene number one, but rewatch for that one. But from two all the way to Creed 2 and the lead up for Creed 3, Steph and I're going to be doing that on the channel. So being a lookout for that. But that's not what we're talking about today. We're going to be talking about Andor, and let's just get right into that. Let's do it. Andor, everybody.

Episode 8. And the lead off, and again, it's the spoilers for everybody who hasn't already known that. I'm watching this show. episode 8, Andor is coming off of the beaches of Miami, and he's now, he's arrested. Got himself arrested, everybody. And it is a really, really great thing to see Andy Circus show up. Yeah, I didn't know about it.

I didn't know he was going to be in. Nobody did. Yeah, it's great. I love that. I love that. Don't announce crap. Just throw them in there. Yeah.

Now, here's my question for you, which I'm going to get right into it with you guys. Okay. So Andy Circus is obviously part of the Disney. Disney family with his Black Panther and Ultron and obviously. Jungle book. No, that was not played. He was, that was a different, yeah. But he was, but he's been part of it and.

And obviously from the part of Star Wars. Part of Star Wars with the original trilogy. Now, because he played the character of Snoke. Yeah. So my question is, this character he is playing, is this a character that they start to do experiments with that eventually, because he's working for the Empire, that eventually turns into a snow clone? Or they use him for the Snow clone?

Or is he just a random character? that hey we want to have andy circus back in star wars what step what do you think that would be crazy i mean maybe i think that they're trying to tie up some of those loose ends with the snoke storyline so i think that would enhance it but i don't think so okay i think he's just it's just another character for him yeah i'm the same thought yeah i think it's just that that to me is too convenient like why why is it convenient i just i happen to agree with you both but i why is it i don't know it's just this random prison guy on a place planet that's not even there. We're going to use this guy's image. I think this is like, hey,

we love Circus. We want to get him back. Well, he's not the face of this. You know, Snoke wasn't, I mean, they used his thing, but they, you know, it's not him. I happen to agree with you both. You should. It's a smart bet. Just because it's your birthday, don't start asking for favors. But I do, but I do think that it is, you can get Andy back and get him back. It's just, just the amount of power he brings when he shows up. And I was like, Andy's one of my favorite actors on the planet. He's great. So when he shows up, I was very excited for that, but there's so much that happens in general in this episode. Steph, let me get your thoughts first.

Overall, breakdown thoughts of this week's episode, and what do you think? It was excellent. They're just, I don't know what episode I love the most. They're just doing an incredible job world building and relating it to our world. And then I feel like staying really true to the original Star Wars. Like, they want to relate to real life oppression that happens. And then they're slowly building it, which we're not. not used to that sort of pace where we actually get to see how things unfold in a way like 30 days

went by, you know, in one episode, which makes a lot of sense. And it was like, this was the first episode where, first thing in Star Wars, where Star Wars is an incredible job where like you're obsessed with the villains, right? You kind of love them. I hate them. I want them all to die, like so badly. Yeah, they're all not. They're like Nazis. They're like so much like more methodical than we've ever seen and slower pace. I loved it. Now, Mike, I'm going to call on you this episode because I'm going to use your inner geekdom champion brain.

It's going to be tough. I know. There's a lot of stuff in there for this one. Well, doing it from now on because we got roasted last week because we were calling Luthin Lusian. And that's not a, you shouldn't get roasted for that. Oh, they don't care. They're worsted you for anything. But we said Lutthin was.

Yeah, Luton. And Bix. Bix. What is the main? Our imperial, the woman who is doing the main investigation. I think I know it. Is it Kiva? No.

Isn't it? Dedra? Dedra? Let's call her that for that. The audience can correct this. But that was my favorite. That's what you're calling me by knowledge for? That's your knowledge.

I don't know. That's it not in our geek dem BS. I don't do these things. Not that you're talking about like Melchie and stuff. It's my favorite. Last week, someone goes, why do you do the? research i just wrote back no no you know i was talking about right i'm watching the show guys but you knew you knew who i was talking about i don't here's a thing well what are you real real professional i i

let me tell you something okay let me tell you go here i'll tell you something for people who are coming in here this i when i learned it took me three episodes to learn some of the character names in in game of thrones and house of the dragon okay and i got there give me a break okay you're gonna find other people out there that know it and they do the research and they're ready to go and they got their white boards and they have people holding up. That's not me. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to have a conversation with you and I'm going to say, okay, we'll get there.

Like I said, we got to Luton. We got there. It took you screaming and yelling at it, but we got there. So don't give me the, do your research. No. He also goes by eight different things. Now they're calling him the axis. It is Dedra Miro.

See, so you were right. No, you were right. You were right. But I had an M in there. But that's called about Dejra. Yeah. So I'm going to ask you that question. Because Dejra, to me, it's weird because, like, as Seth says, you hate all these people, the imperial.

Hate. And especially her, because what she did in this episode, in general, she's a damn mental warfare. Yeah. The way she plays, right? She did a couple different things. She's talking to serial boy, Cyril. And she, see, I know his name. So she's talking to him, and she's like, everybody's watching behind the door.

She's playing him the whole time. He said, but I want to do this. I want to do that. And she's like, okay, let's, let's wrap this up. Yeah. We'll get all the information we got from this doldow and let's move on. And then she does it again to Bix later on where she's, she's, she's, no, no, no, leave him. Yeah. Leave them. Leave them. And what are you doing? Take them out of here. Get them out of here. Like playing these games and she's really, really good. Yeah. The actress is good. The character is great. And she's becoming a very devastating because of her ambition also. So I love the character.

But Mike, what do you think overall the episode? Let me preface this because I told you guys earlier, my first reactions and I both got the shock and all. This is my least favorite episode of this series so far, but it's leaps and bounds better than most of the Star Wars television we've got. Right. So that says something. If your least favorite episode of this series is better than 90% what you've already seen, that's saying.

What did you like by the? No, it's not that I didn't like anything about it. It's just, like the first episode didn't really have a lot of action either. Right, right. But I just felt, I don't know, this was a catch-up episode. I thought last episode was going to be Let's Catch up with everyone This was the ketchup episode

But what I did love about this More than any of the other episodes This to me Felt like a George Lucas 1970s To THX Yes The music

The The Not bland The minimalist set design The costuming This felt like a 1970s Star Wars film And I loved that

It really blended into it And what I I loved the episode And the reason I love the episode for what you're talking about. And I had been nervous at first. I said, are they going to, I said, it could be a little dull if they just spend the whole time in the prison.

Right. But they don't. They go to the empire. They go to Diedra. They go to Monmothma. And the other thing I said about the episode, this is why this show is so brilliant and reminds me. And it also really cemented down the fact that they should be absolutely 100%

until I'm blue in the face adapting their novel. because tell me that that scene between Dejra and Serial Boy didn't feel like a scene out of a novel. Like you can see the writing of it to where it plays and how it transfers to the dialogue. And the other dialogue real quick is the other dialogue that really played and things you learn. How much information did you get in this episode, right? We learned Mon Motham was married off when she was like 14 or 15 years old. We learned that Fiona Shaw's character was the president of whatever. Whatever she was.

Your daughter, yeah. Do your research. Right, exactly. But we, but, and we learned, um, we learned more about, about, about, about, about, we learned more about, we learned these little tidbits of information. You need it. Very detailed. Like, and that to me is like, you make a great point with the novel because, and that's why when people say, uh, the book's always better than the movie. Because they've got to cut out when they're making movies, stuff like this.

But, you know, but on a TV series, you don't. You get those moments. You can involve. And that's why I'm curious to think is when I go back and watch it. Why this one? Because we've had episodes where it's just people talking. So what I did. I did love the most for this episode was watching and or his brain work in that prison.

The minute he walked in there, he's like, how am I going to get out of this? And every single second, and then the, it kind of made me feel a little bit like face off. I don't know if you remember that movie with the magnetic boots and stuff. I'm like, oh, that's pretty cool. But so that was great. I'm just, I feel like it's going to be from listening to you talk. I feel like on a rewatch you're going to like this episode. Probably.

And I have, and I, 100% am okay saying, hey, I was wrong. Oh, I don't think you necessarily matter of wrong. No, I know. But I like it. To me, it's like not a filler at all. To me, it's like they took every issue that I find with, like, the lazy parts of Star Wars where they're like, oh, yeah, let's just shoot the blaster door so it locks. You know, they don't do that kind of stuff. It's like they're planting seeds that actually make sense because realistically, if they go to this prison, which I love that it replicated our prison system with free labor and, like, the high security, you're not, he has to, this is how Andor's become.

coming Andor, he's looking at everything, he's picking up things, and I like the fake outs of, you think he's going to escape because we're used to that. But it's not, because he has to plan it. Yeah, and they're trying to figure out where the hell is he, and that's the whole, Luton's whole thing, and then that build out for Luton, and the stuff with Saw, which we'll get into, that was, no, not yet. Okay, so with Luton, let's Luton, thanks for bringing that up. Do you think Luton wants to find him to kill him?

Because that's what I'm, like, getting, like, that's the loose ends. It looks like Lusen. And he's just like, this guy's out there. He knows everything he's where I look like. That's why he's sending Bell. Yeah. Right. So I'm like, but I don't, it's so. Oh, that was the other thing. Like, Starr's Garzgard, so you're with him, certain actors, when they're cast and

a role, you're like, he's going to turn bad eventually. Scarsgarg's doesn't have that. He doesn't have that, like, oh, wait. He's the architect. He's the architect of the rebellion. So you wanted to so believe his line of BS that he fed Andor at the beginning. I don't think he's BS. That's what I'm saying, we don't know at this point. Is it BS? Was he just saying, because he needs this thief and he knows he can do it? Was he using it, or does he truly believe that this is the guy that's a key to the

Rebellion. I think it's both because I think as his assistant says to him, you don't fall asleep on this. You got shut it down. That's the move you know you need to make. The second you start slipping up, right, it's over. Yeah. And he's like, yeah, all right, shut it down. And he's been talking to Bix for a while. He's like, you got to cut loose ends. His whole thing is we know this is going to a cause, as he says to saw, this is going to cause oppression. Yeah. And that's going to build more of the rebellion. But the other line was, was, was, um, Vell when we learn when and what's and what's her uh Sinta when Sinta when Sinta says you know I was thinking about playing a rich girl who runs away they don't even say it but you know she's talking about Vell and Vell's like that's a deep blow that you know from you and you're like we just learned so

much about Vell in one sentence of dialogue we just learned so much as oh well that's what you said last week she cleaned up so well when she went because that's who she is it's where she comes from and now it all makes more sense every episode more starts to play in the real Re-watch a Vandor, when you go back to it after watching a full-season. It's going to play like a whatever, like a 12-hour film. Yeah, I want to binge it. I can't wait to binge it. And I'm very curious to hear your opinion on this episode once

because I understand where you're coming from where it's like when you look at the other things. But I think this is going to, this episode goes and plays into episode nine, even more. Yeah, I'm just curious because, again, I'm not like, oh, I needed to see some action because I needed to see action this whole series. Halfway through it, I don't care about the action. It was just the intrigue was there for. you, but not like it was in previous. Right. And Steph, to your point, what you said about the villains, I think the great thing

about this is because we're so used to, you know, the villains, like when we first met BobaFed or Vader, they're so cool and we're like, they're fantastic. These people, we know. Yeah, not a lot of aliens. Yeah. These politicians and even our own jobs, we know these people, these backstabbers that will try and do whatever they can to show favor. These are real people, the police and the way they act.

We know these people. So that's why we see the evil and this awfulness. You see the silly comments. Like, why is Star Wars doing politics? Always have. Oh, my God. Look at the old George Lucas. If you say that and you 100% believe that you've never watched Star Wars.

Or you've never listened to an interview with George Lucas. Oh, my God. His whole, talking about Vietnam and everything. It was all built off of politics. Come on. What do you think a war is? It's politics. And that's what I think the genius of the show is.

They know exactly what they're trying to do. They're trying to show you how a rebellion is formed. And just like in our real life, we all, we could have the same beliefs, right? We could believe that LGBT rights matter. But we want to enact it in a different way. And that's what you see with Saarer, Maan Mothma, and Luthan, that they all have the same vision, but completely different ways of how they want to do it.

And that is what was so brilliant about that Luton and Saw scene. That seems great. That scene was amazing. From the second they sit down together, because if you follow Saw Guerrera, saw Guerrera, in the Clone Wars, had his sister, his sister was taken from him, and he kind of just says, okay, now I'm bucking against the system.

But when you get to him in rebels and in, what the hell, you forget the name of it last time, I forget the name of it now, the video game that came out with Calcestus. Oh, Fallen Empire? Fallen Order. Fallen Order. Yeah, Fallen Order. So, Steph crushing it today.

You are. So, but the Fallen Order, he's in that. He's in rebels and in that. He's not as in Kuku land as he in when he's in Rogue One. Yeah. The boy. Right. He's on, he's kind of in a mix in this episode.

Yeah, he's kind of not there yet. Because when he's sitting down with Luthin and they had this great moment up top and they're like, you did that thing. No, you did it. No, you did it. What you just said made me believe you did it, but you did it. It was such a nice moment and then they're having this conversation between the two of them where they both, as you said, they respect. They all have different ideas, different ideas and what you were talking about stuff is that everybody has their own way of how they want to do this. Luthens one going, yeah, but if we don't do it together, we're done.

Yeah. And he's like, so help out dude. How about Flyboy McGillacuddy? Help him out. Yeah. He's not even doing that. Right. You know, like with Mon Mothma, she's like, yo, chill.

And he's like, no, this has to be the way it is. My way, by way. He's not even taking his own advice. But, yeah, that scene was so, just like one of those ones where you're just like, oh, man, that must have been so fun to film. Oh, it was. These two just sitting together. Yeah, and he's having this conversation.

And it's great to have Fars you, but you get both Forrest Whitaker and Andy Circus back in this episode and you think that and you see, I call him Tony two tubes. The one guy standing outside with the long machine gun? Yeah, but I call him Tony. I saw that as like up sauce coming. Yeah, the second you see him, you know, that's his boy.

So it's like Silvio out there. You can see him. He's inside. That's the great thing about Star Wars creature design. They're so iconic and they nail it all the time that when one person shows up in, I think he had a couple lines on Rogue Warner. Might not even had a line. But you know, you're like, oh, here comes Saw.

You just know. It's great. Oh, and there's one guy in the prison with... Melchie. Yeah. That's good. Melchie. He's the gunner in Rogue One.

He's one of the rebels on the... On Andor's the one that was talking to Andor on the floor the longest before... That's why they keep saying Melchie. He's one of the people when they go to Scarf. See? Look at that. See, that's why you have one. That's very important.

Their friendship. Yes. And it makes a lot of sense. Now, when going back to the imperial scene, when they're all sitting there. around the table. Is that you're Laren again that she's talking to? Which ones Yelaren? The one from the Game of Thrones actor? No, no, no, no. No, no. Elyar is like the main, one of the main imperials from episode four.

With the hair and the little white girl? The main guy is talking to. Not the guy that she's not, not. Oh, the main guy who's now looking over. He's like, well, what was this? Yeah. He's in the Clone Wars. Right, but he's also, he's also in episode one, episode four. I don't remember that. Yeah, you look. Yeah, he's like a top dog. Yeah, yeah, yeah. know he was in Clone Wars.

Right. So it is, you're learning that's talking to. So that's why I loved this episode. There's so much detail of it. And that's for, again, I always push back in somebody.

So it's like saying it doesn't feel like Star Wars. I mean, do you get any more Star Wars? I don't know. It's felt from the beginning Star Wars to me. And I get, I know why the people say it. Maybe at top.

I saw some people who were like, yeah, at first it didn't. But now as you watch it through it. It's because, you know, we don't have the normal tropes. And that's okay.

It's different. Yeah. But even with the Mon Mothma stuff, I love how you were saying, like, we got to know more about, like, how she met her husband. And when they were like, that's so romantic. And he was, like, traditional. Like, they do not like each other. There's something up with the daughter, too. This is a third time.

She's a rebel? You think she's going to be an emperor? I don't know. There's something up with her because this is the third time she comes up very wearily to her mom. And then dips. Right. What is she doing? And all the conversation with Mon Mothema when they're talking about Palpatine, the emperor.

Oh, right. And they're like. like, well, if they just follow orders and it should be okay. And he's like, well, I'm worried about what's following orders. And then it's like, that's exactly how. And then they go to laugh. And that's how politicians are. They're like, yeah, we care about our people.

But, oh, we're going to just sip our nice wine. And it's just like they can forget about it. So what's going on Putin? Yeah. So it's like it is. It's for sure. And it absolutely was fascinating to watch her. And Jennifer of O'Reilly is just next level.

She's my favorite character. Oh, she's so good. in this show and she's doing it so right that mon mothma where okay i'm now i know my position like everybody has their positions right you know what as um luthan is starting to unwind a little bit but he knows his position knows what he has to do he's got to play the field sometimes he's got to play his shop he's got to move the pieces around and one of the pieces is mon mothma and mon mothma is the inside is really the inside job like the one who's on the hierarchy of the of the politicians who can get the access that they need.

And she's working the system right now. And she's playing that politician, the smiling politician that she talked about in the last episode saying, yeah, but what you see here, the one that they all see, that's not who this is. And then she's working with her high school buddy, and they're doing all this stuff. So her storyline is fascinating. And you're learning more. And just like, I love that they don't have to spend four paragraphs of dialogue to tell

you, well, then what happened is I went here and I did this. And that's what happened. It's like a sentence or two. and you go, oh, and they do that like four times in this episode. Oh, you just told me so much about that character from one line of dialogue. Yeah. I learned so much about him. And that's why this writing is so good and so deep that you care so much more about it.

And I want to know, like, that even when Andy Circus says to Andor, he goes, you walk and you sleepwalk? He's like, no, he's like, okay, well, you better hope not or whatever he says them. And then you know the floors. The way the prison set up is masterful, you know, they have. This is how oppressors work. They pit you up against your own people so that you don't have time to think about how you would form a rebellion against them. And the fact that they're like all in these groups of seven, right, and set on seven floors. And they're like they're all in competition, not only with their room, but with the entire building.

It's so well done. It is. And the other thing that you look at is that it's essentially this is, it shows you and it goes back. If you look at it is kind of that why that kangaroo court exactly. exists in episode seven because they're building out their workplace. The empire is building out their workplace. And they go, okay, we're not going to pay for anybody to do all this and what it's going to cost.

So let's just arrest people wrongly. It's going to stop us. Arrest who you can. Round them all up. Put them in the prisons. Slavery. You know, round them all up. Have them build stuff, what we need.

And that's another great thing about that you always wondered as a kid. It's like, how'd they build all this stuff? Now you know. They just arrested. There's so many planets, so many populations. Round them all up, put them in prisons, have them build out. Well, we didn't get your lawyer. Okay, good, we're going to pay the lawyer.

Okay, you work for the empire now. That's literally how the world has worked since the beginning of time. If you want to know how any great masterpiece has been built in our country, everyone's country, it's been on the backs of slaves. And people who have been wrongly imprisoned. And I just love that detail where they're, because you always wonder how the empire built this? How did it do it? Yep. And it's like, oh, because you guys were just locking people up.

And then they can't. But then it's genius, too, because the prisoners themselves know it's the rebellion's fault for these people. All of their sentences went up. So now they hate the rebellion. So even when they do get out, they're going to be like, screw this rebellion. And you always just increase our sentences by tenfold. Right. And I think that that's exactly why we got this moment from...

Sorry, the whole thing went down on me. Here we go. Where do you go? What are you doing? trying to get the I don't I don't know why Steph's camera went out

oh no Steph you're just too gorgeous for yeah so look so let's get into a couple more things with this show this episode I think that where we go now

because we also got to talk about Bix right yeah now Bix is in trouble she's in trouble now we know that she's going to survive because she signed on for episode two uh for season two okay

did she? Yeah she's not her incident too so we know she's going to survive the question is how what kind of life is she going to be leading? Are they going to do one of the traditional Star Wars missions and break her out and get her out? Or are they going to let her go, and they're going to break her to get, you know,

Andor, because they're trying to hurt. She cares about Andrew. She cares about it. I mean, that whole stuff that happened on that planet also. Sometimes you could be nervous going on. We're going back to this planet again. Like we're going to, oh, we're going to do it. Because he could have got a repetitive.

Okay, now we're going to deal with Bix and she's worried about Andor. And then, okay, she's dealing with the mom. but it worked. It just fit because of the care that we went into it and the idea of what, I don't know, of where he had to go and how he had to come back, and he's not coming back. Yeah.

Yeah. I think Sinta's going to save Bix, maybe. Because Sinta's still there, and, and Orr's not coming back to Farrix. So I think Sinta's going to break her out or something. Because she's on to her. Who's got Luthyn's medallion, his Khyber? Do we know?

I think Bell. He gave it to Val. Okay, so she's got it. Okay. Yeah, so Val has it, and Bell is now looking for... But Sinta doesn't know about Bix, like, right? No, she does. Remember when they were sitting and looking, and they were like, why are they outside of Cassian's house?

Yeah, they were talking about it. Okay. Yeah, yeah. So, either way. I don't know if she knows if she's like with the gang on. Right, that's what I'm trying to. She is aware of her. She's aware that that's a contact with him, with Andor.

And probably, I think it's a day to assume that. Vell knows that Bix might have been the original contact to connect Luthin and or, yeah. Okay. Okay. So I think that overall, we all agree this is one of the, well, no, Mike still needs to go back and watch it. But you can't, you can't say that it's not detailed. It's a very detailed. No, I'm not.

That's what I'm saying. Like, again, my least favorite episode of this is probably my best, most favorite episode of several other shows. Yeah. So I wonder if they're going to do. I wonder how they're going to play into the next episode. So I guess that's a question. Well, I'm curious.

Of all the characters, Cyril. Oh, yeah. I don't know what he's, what's going on with him. Yeah. Because there was his one shot. And I thought, oh, she's going to see this in him,

this hunger. She's like, no, you shut your mouth. You do this again. You thought they were going to bang. Yeah, they were talking each other's love language. Or I thought, like, maybe once these guards are gone, she'll go, hey, I dig what you're doing. You're going about it wrong.

We need people like you. Come meet me here. She's going to come back for him. That's why if you... I don't think. I think she's just like, this peon is going to ruin what I've got. She's going to need him. She's streamrolling over every dude that comes into her face.

Steam rolls him. And I think, well, yeah, that's true. But I do think that she's going to circle back and need him. And I think he's going to be the reason Scarlet Lufin dies. I think he's the reason she's going to die. I think Cyril's getting her. Really? That'd be cool.

He's going to surpass her. And Curly McHugh's Judge Curley McHugh's court there. I don't. I don't have a name for him, but I think he's going to show up in there with this white high collar. And he's going to do what she did to the other guy. Just call him out and his, her BS and go, nope, nope, I found this. I found this. I had, none of you wanted Andor, I had them on this planet and you let him go.

Yeah. I'm the reason. Tough. Well, we're going to find out. Next week, episode nine, we're almost, I mean, four episodes left. Yeah, still. And it's still got a lot. Two thirds away three.

It's still a lot left, but still nine. And what I have liked also is that the episodes have been longer. We just, it was like 48 minutes. It's like 56 minutes, I think. Well, 50s. Oh, you're saying, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So do you feel, because again, 8, 9, and 10 are the little jab hook, uppercut? Do you think the uppercut is giving me the jail break?

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, absolutely. We're on the same page. And I think that that's probably why you're going to wind up liking today's episode. Yeah. When I watch them as a block.

Totally. I get you. I get you. Because depending on, well, depending on how the execution of the next episode is, if it turns out to just be like a wet fart, then probably no. That makes a good point. Because number one, remember, it felt very Blade Runner, like we were so much into the tone. And now this episode, THX, 70s, like, it sets the tone for the next three. I didn't think about that.

That's what they do. All right, look at that. I'm telling you, I can even tell them the way you're talking about it, it just feels like, like, once it plays. Do you think you know me? Well, yeah, it was last week, as we were talked about, it was essentially, I mean, part of the overall series, obviously, but it wasn't part of that jab, jab. Right, right. It was its own thing. thing and it just, it was him, you know, recovering from the mission, and then go on a vacation

and getting caught. And that was it. It served his purpose for what it was. Gotcha. This is a clear setup for the for the upper cut that it's coming next week. Two weeks. Two weeks. What's next week? That's going to be the. I don't think they're doing a three. I don't think to do it. We went over this last time. Yes. I don't think they do one, two, three, four, five, six, seven by itself, eight, nine, ten. from what I heard. And then the two arc finale. What I heard is that they were doing... I heard wrong.

Well, okay, but I heard that they were doing the two arc and then another standalone type thing and then another two. You know what's weird though? I read some reviews and a lot of the reviewers, this was, they were on kind of more towards Mike. Yeah, but then it's like Roxy, our friend Roxy has liked the show, hasn't loved it,

and loved this episode. Right. Yeah, I think it's like, Yeah. Maybe it's interesting. I think that this show also is going to play so differently to people once, A, the season is over. Yeah. And you play it in the entire season.

Because if you're getting Saw Guerrera and Andy Circus and everybody back, and they kept Andy Circus a mystery, which never happens. That's great. I love that they do. I did too. Jimmy Smith hasn't really ever been announced. He'll show up. Jimmy Smith will show up.

The question is, are they going to have the actor who got cast for Hera in Asoka? That's right. She show up. Smith hasn't been in yet. Baylor Ghanas got to get involved. You've got to involve Belagana. Yeah, he'll be involved. You have to.

Well, especially when Mon Mothma starts getting more powerful in her as the leader of the rebellion. Yeah, you have to. You know who's we're going to also meet eventually? What are she proposing? We're going to meet that guy. We better meet that guy. I really hope so. All right, listen, so before we move on to more of the conversations that we obviously have to have about certain other.

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Let's go past Andor now, and let's talk about this one. Let's talk about, as Jeff Snyder mentioned a little while ago, remember this stuff when we talked about it like months ago? Jeff Snyder broke the story that Lindeloff is doing his own movie. And he had been working on. I've been talking about it. Well, it looks like that deal is pretty much done. And I told you guys many times over, I said this should be the movie that they lead with,

not Tyca, not anybody else. This should be the movie if they intend. Now listen to all the news coming out about this movie. All right, I'll listen to it. So I'm going to rewrite Star Wars Newsnet's article a little bit because they said shortly after Deadline broke the news. Well, that's not true. That's not true.

Deadline did break the news that Damon Lindelof's Star Wars movie found as director. In Charming, Obeyed Sunaway. New details on the project have now emerged from the Hollywood Reporter. So according to reputable reporter, Boris Kit, of the Hollywood reporter, Lindelof has selected Justin Britt Gibson, whose credits include the strain into the badlands and counterpart as a co-writer for his Star Wars screenplay. Brett Gibson was brought on board after a secret writer's room was assembled to flesh out a story for the project with Patrick Somerville, Linda Loss's partner on the leftovers, who would go on to make Station 11.

Raina McClendon, Briar Patch, The Walking Dead World Beyond, and the upcoming Willow Disney Plus series, and Andy Greenwald, who also worked on Briar Patch, all participating alongside other writers. Longtime Star Wars television creator Dave Filoni, and no stuff loves that, was also believed to have been part of these meetings. Lindelof and Brett Gibson are said to be hard at work on the screenplay as with any Star Wars project at an early stage in development. Story details remain vague and away from the public. However, one detail of note is that the film will be set at some point

after the events of the rise of Skywalker, but it would not be a story serving as a direct continuation of the Skywalker saga. With that said, Hollywood Reporter says, excuse me, Hollywood Reporter says characters from the sequel trilogy could appear in this new narrative. Lindelof's Star Wars Project is being conceived as a single film telling a complete story while leaving room for follow-ups based on its success.

The Hollywood Reporter notes a change in Lucasfilm's approach staring away from traditional trilogies, a departure from the classic Star Wars film set up, as well as the previously announced Ryan Johnson trilogy and a series of films by Game of Thrones veterans, Benioff, and D.B. Weiss. Both of those projects are on the shelf due to John Johnson's commitments and Beni F. Weiss's commitment to Netflix adaptation of the three-body problem.

Johnson claims he still wants to make the movies, though the status of that trilogy has been ominous since it announced five years ago, and Beniof and Weiss seem back out of their deal with Lucasfilm entirely. The next two theatrically really Star Wars films are set to arrive on 2025, December 19th, and December 17th, 2027. None of those reported projects have been assigned to either date. Disney nor Lucasfilm have confirmed nor denied the reports of a Damon Lindelof-led film. Right. So much. Yikes. A lot, a lot to be said here. Yeah.

Let's start with the, the first is that the director of the projects where they announced, like I said, Snyder reported this a long time ago that Lindeloff was working on something. And then they're talking about the actual director herself, which we'll bring up in a moment here. And Steph, I don't know, have you seen any of these reports so far? Yeah, I've been following the Lindeloff as a, much as they've been reporting it. I love Lindeloff. I love the leftovers.

The fact that this would be paired with who he was working with on that show. Have you seen that show? I've not. It's incredible. Is that Justin Thoreau? It's literally incredible. I'd heard about it for years and finally during

like the beginning of the pandemic. My mom and I just binged the crap out of that show. It's so good. And I feel like he's exact, like he is a type of writer. I would love to see what they do with Star Wars, especially if it's separate from Skywalker. or so.

Yeah, even though that, and I do love the idea that you could see those characters show up. Yeah. Same way they've been doing in the, in the actual, you don't like that. You don't like that? Why don't you like that? I'll hold my face. All right. Yeah, hold your face.

The reason I like is because they're taking it, they're starting to take a page out of what they're doing successfully in television and combine that over it. Yeah. And I love, I absolutely love the idea that they're not announcing a trilogy. And I love the idea that they're going to a standoff movie that could potentially lead into spin-offs should they, this proved to be successful and people want it. That's the way they should approach stuff from the beginning going, all right, well, if people really respond to this character, then we can start to develop this and we start to develop that. And I also think, depending on if the story serves it, and it seems like they believe in it enough,

they also develop a show around it as well, to play in the same way that Marvel kind of is playing off of shows and into movies. And speaking of Marvel, the director is the director of a lot of the Ms. Marvel stuff. So, and which she came on, And that show was massively directed. So all of this stuff so far, I really enjoy what they're talking about. And I think that if you can hold off of it, you can hold for a little bit, bank on your television shows. Continue this universe on television. Get your movie right.

Get it straight. Develop it the way you are. Love the Flonies in the room. Love these writers they're listing off. All projects that I'm a big fan of. This to me is the most promising thing as far as the project. And I like the Patty Jenkins. idea of the rogue squadron.

And I thought it could be interesting a top gun in Star Wars. But I was never like, oh, what's this going to be all about? Because I didn't know the team. I was excited about it. Yeah. This is the most excited I've been for an idea that has the most potential all the way around. But you're not feeling that way, Mike? For several reasons.

You don't like Lindelaw? No, I think. You're not as familiar with Lindelaw. No. Oh. I just know the track record, lost, stuff like that. Yeah. It's just like, oh.

You've never seen Lost. You don't watch this. I tried, and when I was not getting answers and I just kept getting more questions, I was like, not more. So you don't like good things. That's not true. Oh, okay. We'll talk.

Leftovers, you got answers. Yes. Hold on. Can I talk? No. Jesus. Is your birthday yourself? I think the, when I was reading that article and they, some of the new sequel characters might pop up.

I'm like, nope, that's bad. Why? And I don't, not for me, for your audience. Why? Because there's such a negative connotation with that sequel trilogy right now. they're just as a it's kind of like, and I'll say this, it's kind of like for a lot of people

when you got Cavill back as Superman. Yeah. I think it's great. I love it, but there's a whole, it's like, oh, that's part of Snyder's world and it's not, it's this and that. And it's like, that's rare, but I know. So first of all, hold on.

Yeah. I guess, and now thinking about this, and I didn't get hyped at all for hearing this, I'm so in love with the television. I'm so in love with Andor. I want Star Wars to be more of that now. And I feel like this is going to be back. to the old Star Wars

that everyone wants to see on the big screen and, you know. You're singing my tune, basically. I know, I am, and I just, I'm, I guess, and I'll always be there for Star Wars. I'll never not be enjoying Star Wars, but I'm just enjoying this, what we've got right now, and I just, I mean,

we have no idea what it's about. So look, I'm with you, and I think I understand everything that you're saying with the, with, you're not going to get a, someone's going to naysay that about the TV, because everything we just saw on Andor just solidified that, right? The fact that you can really build out and if they would have just adapt the damn books, they'd have hit series after hit series after hit series.

But the fact of your concern of, well, they're going to put a movie out, it's going to be this kind of standalone, the big popcorn thing, and that's what... I think Star Wars, as much as I love the TV stuff and I could watch it all day long, that's why I'm okay with it coming out in three or four years, whenever the hell it's going to come out. But Star Wars needs movies. I'm not disagree. And that only doesn't need movies for the obvious of people wanting to go and see it and be part of the experience.

It needs it for the mullah. Sure. And I think that what you're going to get with this, and the idea of the sequel characters, I also understand what you're saying here. There is, for a lot of people to remember this, don't, I mean, because we do always, whether it's the people screaming about Snyder or whether they like Snyder, don't like Snyder, hate the, Ryan Johnson, love Ryan Johnson. and it's still a bubble. It is still a bubble on social media in general, right? You've got to look at the movies. You have to look at the casual fan as well.

Sure. The casual fan will respond to the new trilogy characters, especially younger people, the way that younger people grew up with the prequels, respond to the prequels way different than you and I did when we grew up to how we respond to the original trilogy. Those people will be there for the new characters. But besides that,

look at how Ewan McGregor, in Obi-Wan, even though, however you feel about Obi-Wan in general. The show or the character. Excuse me, Obi-1 in the prequel.

How are you feel about the prequels in general? Yeah. If they're not written very well, or whatever it might be, Yuma Greger popped in that, but he was developed and you had to see a little bit more of them in the Obi-Wan series, right?

Now, I still think that could have been handled better, but the idea of it was awesome. Now, what if Lindelof can do that for some of the characters of the neutralist? Someone like Finn, who was just underused completely. What if he comes back has a better arc this time around because he's training as a Jedi at this point? What if he comes back and he's the guy in a few up,

in a couple scenes? You know, he shows up. You're 100% right, and I'm one that doesn't stick by my convictions in that and says, I'm going to hate it, and it fins back. No, you're just, you're nervous about it. I'm along for the rock. You know, they're in a very interesting spot with that if they do that Because someone asked me about the Cavill thing

And it's the only analogy I can use right now Well, WB's in a tough spot because the Snyder's side of it, the diehards, That's a very vocal group that has caused change in it But you also got the people that love just D.C. And then you've got the casual fan. You've got three audiences that WBs with that Caval announcement is trying to appease And it kind of works. So going into this, you can't alienate the story.

Star Wars fan base is the same. You've got a very vocal fan base that does not like those sequels. And you cannot alienate them. No. Because it will go, you've got to, and you can't count out of them. You can't be like, we're going to do everything you say. You've got to find the Star Wars fans like us that love everything and understand some things don't work,

some things do. You've got to understand the ones that just like this is, no, this is wrong. And then the casual fan that are going to go and don't give a crap about anything else that came before and haven't watched any TV shows. They just want a movie. I agree. But at some point, you also have to have to have let's make a good story. Let's make, well, we're confident.

Sure, I mean. And, like, very similar to what Tony Gilroy did. Yeah. Tony Gilroy was saying, I'm just going to make my spy thriller. Right. And I'm going to put everything I have into it and make the series. But, yeah. And it's the point, this is the ratings for this and the viewership is lower than anything before it,

which sucks because it's the best that they've done from a script story. Right. And I go back to your thing that you don't like that I, that I happen to agree with at this point. If there were Jedi in it, then this show, this show would, the ratings would be up. If they could put a lightsaber in a trailer or a TV spot. And it would be up.

Up. Yeah. If Vader shows up, it'll be up. But I like that they're sticking their guns in an argument. I love it. Steph, what do you think overall? I want to get your thoughts on this. Well, I think that by the time this movie comes out, it will be six years, seven years,

since the sequel trilogy. Since, yeah, 2019. Yeah. Wow. So that's a huge separation of time. to let it breathe and to make people feel differently about how they felt about it. And if they execute on the character as well, it will be fine. I really think that if they make a good movie, it sucks that there's so much pressure.

But if they do one, they'll be good. And do you understand now why I'm saying? I know you guys haven't. But to anybody out there, do you understand why now and say this is why it's crucial? I'm not telling you you have to scrap the tyco movie. You can't lead with it. You got to leave with this one. You have to leave with this one.

Things are fluid, and I think we're getting to get in that story a little bit about the announcements and whatnot. But, you know, it's like we say with Gareth Edwards, the problems and this and that. Why is he not directing X amount of films after Rogue One? You know, and now Tyca, I mean, look at Thor, Love and Thunder. I know. I mean, yes, the numbers were there. Then people will show up for an MCU film no matter what. Sure, but the love wasn't there the way it was in the past.

And it wasn't. So that took a hit, and it was like, oh, Let's take a step back and re-eval. He's stretched too thin, man. Oh, hey, he's got a very specific style, and it fits for a very specific thing and whatnot. I don't think that movie ever sees the light of day. I don't think so either. I think it's done at this point.

I think they're going to push it as well. I think Paddies is done, too, which I hate it. No, Paddies is done, but I think that type is going to happen. If it's going to happen, it's not going to happen right away. No, no, no, no, I think it's going to be after this Lindelof thing then? Yeah. If, and that, but that wouldn't be, but that wouldn't be, but that wouldn't be, You're looking at four or five years before that thing even comes out,

and anything can change. I lean with you and saying it's probably not going to happen. At the moment, though, I lean with you thinking they think it will. But if Lindelof movies comes out and it's good, and people go, this is the best movie since Rogue One or better than Rogue One. Because that's really all it has to be for the most part, because there are people who love a lot of the sequel trilogy stuff. Sure.

There's a lot of people who don't. Rogue One seems to be more on the balance, more so now than ever. When I find people that don't like Rogue One, and I see it like at the bottom of their ranking of the films, I don't understand that. I don't. And I'm not saying to belittle them or something. I'm like, how do you think that that's not a good movie? How do you put Solo or Attack of the Clones above that? Dude, I totally forgot about Solo.

I just forgot about it. Because it's a cool. It's a good movie. It's just not a good Star Wars movie. It's a cool. It's a cool sci-fi film. The second half is significantly better. I'm going to say this, and I'm going record every time I do.

If you would have titled that Randar, it made a dash. Randar film with Lando in the same? It just changed up a couple things with it. Infinitely better film. Absolutely. I agree with you. All right. So we covered that.

There's two more things we've got to cover before we got to go. What are we going to cover? Tales. We got to cover. Well, we can cover. Yeah, let's cover tales real quick. Oh, yeah. And then I want to close with that, with the Kathleen Kennedy story.

But Tales of the Jedi, all six episodes dropped. We're going to try to, we're going to cover it briefly. We won't get because it just came out. So I don't think a lot of people have really had a chance. I don't think a lot of, I don't think most people watch it because and or dropped that means that they would have to be up like me until two and see it and so so we're not going to do a spoiler we'll probably we'll probably do a little bit more spoilery on next week's episode of this so we'll just talk about overall thoughts always the mic's only watched four episodes

stuff you watched the whole thing i saw the whole thing um i think this is fantastic animation some of the like what stood out to me which never stands out to me that i know does stand out to you is the actual animation itself is gorgeous the music by kevin kind of is always amazing. He should be scoring live action Star Wars television, I've been saying it forever. The episode four, which I can say now, because Bryce Dallas Howard tweeted out about it,

the Adel episode is, I think, one of the best episodes in Star Wars animation maybe ever. And it's, because for me, it's like, what furthers the overall story? This furthers the overall story. But I love that. I thought the voice acting was great. The three episodes about Asoka,

the three episodes about Duku. I was expecting this show to be good. I didn't expect it to be great, and it was so great. Steph, are you with me, against me? Where are you at? I'm totally with you. Even from the first episode, I'm so glad they started with the Asoka episode because it, like, really made me emotional.

Like, truly, I love that episode so much. Native American themes. Yeah, and just, like, honoring culture and family, and I just thought they hand, it was so beautiful. And I love, they're doing a great job of enhancing the prequels. We knew it was going to happen with Duku, but I'm so glad they did because when you, when I was a kid, like, Duku was a nothing character to me. I, like, didn't even understand who he was. Right.

He was developed more in the animated Clone Wars series and then this. Yeah, but for most people, it's like, what? Like, who are you? And you don't get his relationship to Quigon. So, yeah, this is so good. I want to rewatch them, actually. I think they're the perfect length. Here we go.

So I watched up to four last. night. And I was, I guess I was a little thrown off because I thought Tales of the Jedi, each individual episode being the show short, was going to be a different Jedi story, a quick little like, you know, short story in their world, like a book of short

stories. I didn't realize that they're all kind of, oh, they're going to focus on Asoka and Duku. But every episode, I'm kind of like, oh, oh, that's cool. Oh, that's cool. Oh, that's how it would happen. That's Yaddle. That's why we don't see and heard an attack of the clones. So I'm like, it's filling in the gaps.

Huh, I don't know. It's fine to you. It's fine. Like, is it? But wasn't Clone Wars fine to you as well? I haven't gotten through all of it yet. I don't have the love of it. I'm like,

season three now. I don't have the love that everyone has for these. You're not an animated. Oh, I love animated. Oh, my gosh. You're kidding me? Yeah.

Okay. Oh, like the classics like Batman. Well, I just, I just binge watch Earth's Mighty's Heroes. If you ever watch that, the Avengers. So this wasn't awesome. But this just wasn't for you.

It's not that's not for me. maybe because I watched it right after I watched Andor last night I'm kind of like Yeah, well that's hard That's a hard Okay, it's fine Different mix

But I'm yeah it's I'm just curious about why Okay, we did six episodes We're only in summer 15 minutes Some are 18 minutes So we don't have a set time They're telling the story In the time that they want

And then they dropped them all together So it's basically two hours I don't understand The the impetus behind the series Yeah I think Like what is it? Like it's not like visions We're visions like these are

directors that never touch Star Wars and styles, you've never seen Star Wars, they're one-offs, we're not going to ever touch them again, here you go enjoy. With this, I'm like, okay, it ties into the entire world, you're not making a big deal of it, you're kind of just like, even at celebration they were kind of like, or, yeah, celebration, they were just like, oh,

the trailer's online right now if you want to watch it, we're like, what? I think it's for it's kind of like a throwaway, but I'm like. It's for me and Christian, like, people who love Clone Wars and like, it's going to a little gift for you guys. Yeah. They have the Asoka series. is coming out.

Like, this enhances it. Like, it makes me love the character. But it seems like there's no, I don't want to see even promotion behind this. And there's no. They're not good at promoting. Like, for me, okay, I'm pretty much, I know what's going on in the world of Star Wars. But I was like, I didn't even know what this was per se in the sense that, like, what is the concept behind this? I thought, Tales of the Jedi.

We're going to get a Yulet-Quilatroma story. We're going to get so-and-so-and-as-patawan on some planet on the mission story. No, they're telling fill-in-the-blanks story-wise of your favorite characters. Yeah. Yeah. Why is that not pitched that way? Like the stuff we can't touch, the moments in Andor, the behind the scenes, how do they built up the character?

This is that show. Right. Maybe season two would be like that. But why the hell are they pitching that is that? Well, I'll tell you, the one thing I will say is this, that what I liked about this show, by the end of it, I was like, I would rather say, I did really like the idea that the shortest episode was like 10 minutes, the longest one was like 15 or 16.

I didn't mind that. It reminds me like visions, right? Yeah. I like that. What I will say is this, even if they did say, they were going to do half an hour episodes, I would prefer to see season two of this on half an hour episodes,

and I'd be more excited about it than I am for like Bad Batch season two. Yeah, no, like it got me like you said with Duku. Like I'm like, this is great. Like the one where he's like erasing, because it goes back to where Obi-Wan's looking and attacking the clones for Camino's like, there's no planet. He's like, what I mean there's no planet? We see why he erased it.

So it's filling in the blinks. And it's great. It's what the Clone Wars did for everybody. It's going back and helping the, the, prequels. But I'm like, why was it? isn't this build as this a little more hype? I mean.

Well, all right, we have one more thing to talk about before we get the hell out of here. Yeah. And that would be talking about the films before. There's a big story that was going around. The Star Wars Newsnet reported this the other day. And so the report is that Disney president, Bob Chappek, had a conversation with Kathleen Kennedy. And essentially it was like, hey, we got to stop announcing movies before they're ready to go.

because it's just a common thing and we don't want to keep having the bad will with the fans because nobody believes anymore when they announce movies. Nobody believes it. It's like, okay, we're going to be doing a movie now. Yeah, sure. Okay, cool.

Patty Jenkins is getting a movie. Oh, is she? Gone. Ryan Johnson designed a trilogy. Oh, yeah? Where's that? Beni off and Weiss? Benign off and Weiss.

They're having a movie. Where's that? Kevin Feigey. Where's that? Tiko Wittee. I forgot about the Feige stuff. Tiki. Where's that?

Josh Trank. Where's that? And then. That foggy thing is never happening. Depending on Foyce. Where's that? All this stuff. It's like it just keeps happening.

It's like stop doing that. Stop. So the report, it was Cheapik that came down and said that? Yeah. Because that guy, just being from Florida and worked in the theme parks for so long, that is not a well-loved man. No, I know. Outside of everything.

I'm just saying as a president of a company. Holy God. Absolutely not. That people don't like him at all. But this is like a smart decision. Every decision has been awful. has been awful. This is a mover just to say, hey, please, please.

But this is like, where did this guy come from? If it's indeed the, the truth. Maybe it was Iger going, hey, tell Kathy. Tell us this. To chill it. And it's like, I was told to tell you to chill on this stuff. But this is why I go back to this whole news that just happened with James Gunn, right? James Gunn and what's in, shoot, Peter Safran.

Saffron, yes. So the two of them, what's so brilliant about that overall is that you've got a guy in Saffirn. who's a very good producer. He knows how to crush the numbers. He knows how to put deals together. He knows how to put the directors. And he knows how to produce film and television. He's done it many times over.

Gun can also do that stuff, but Gun is a creative powerhouse, right? So the two of them as a team, it's a perfect idea. And so what they have is in Lucasfilm, they have a saffron. Saffirri? Yeah. I thought saffron. Saffron, you're right.

Yeah. Like this spice. Yes. You got saffron. That's all you. got in Lucasville. You have a saffron. Where is the gun that you don't have? And on the other side, Marvel,

Fagie does both roles. Right. Brilliantly. Right. He's got, right. He does. But here's the difference. And this is my personal opinion. I don't know how true it is. Saffron knew. I know what I'm good at, and I'm pretty damn good at it.

Yeah. But I know what James will do. I know how we work together really well. So let's do it together. Now, Fagie goes, I can do it both. Right. He's right. I think Kathleen Kennedy goes, I can do it both, and she can't.

No. And so I think she needs to find, she needs to find James Gunn. And that's where Chappick should come in and go, okay, look, to do what Zavlov did and say, hey, we're going to put somebody else in there with you. I said this the other day when Gunn was announced. Like, I've always felt, especially like being at Hall H and stuff,

D.C. always needed a showman. Yes. Fagie works a room like no one. Yeah. And Cedars doesn't have that. How many times you've gone to celebration or D-223 and you're just like, oh, you're going, you're going,

and God bless Ash Crosson, who got that panel the entire day moving with lively, like, thank God. Fabro, Faber could put on a show. Of course he can, but he's not the guy. Kathleen Kennedy. Put fire, Fabro, get him in that role. It seems like a TED talk when you're ever in California. Yes. Favro? Hell yes.

Yeah. I know Fullenian doesn't want it. But hell put him in there. Here's the difference. When Figeygey's up there and he's talking about this stuff, you feel like he's going to go talk your ear off about it backstage for four hours. Kathleen Kennedy seems like she's got a thing. You think Kathleen Kennedy is talking about Star Wars when she doesn't have to? No, she's not, I'm not saying that's not bad. I'm not saying she has to, but I'm a great producer. But that's also why it comes down to the, you talk about this Figi thing and what he's built out and this, everybody wants to be Marvel, right? And even D.C. by putting in and calling it

the Figuie role, essentially, not what they called it, but it's what everybody else is calling it. Everybody wants to fill that Figi role, but everyone tries to do the Figi plan, and that's what Kathleen Kennedy's been trying to do is, well, let's announce these movies, and we'll put them out with this, we'll get the hot directors, stop doing that.

Figey had announced they did that, and if you look at those old announcements, it's not the same. He realizes, you know, things change, and it's just because he knows what he's, and he knows how to spin, not spin in a bad way. He knows it's like, hey, this is this, the in humans, we got in humans,

It's good. Oh, they took them on TV. But, yeah, and the reason why they can get away with that is because they actually have a plan. Sure. That have a couple things inside of the plan fall apart. Fluidity. A couple wheels fall off. Put the wheel back on.

Yeah. You know, the paint chipped a little bit. We'll repaint it. This is the engines out, you know, the... You're not wrong. There's nothing. It's like, fighting on this. No, I know you're not.

It's a bum, boom, boom. And it's like, just put it together. You have all the mechanics. You got it all. You need... Yeah. Do you think it's... I don't think it's...

I don't think it's... That's the thing. I don't think it's been talked about, like, hey, we need a, we need the gun to our saffron. Saffron. They just lost one of their main people. Because I don't think. I don't know if Favre would want it. I know Fuloni doesn't want it from hearing you talk about him and you know him a lot well. I don't know him personally, but you know him in the Star Wars role better than I do.

I think that it seems like he wouldn't want to touch anything that really he never had an imprint on as far as his character. Yeah, that's what I love. I love about Follone and I still think sometimes it's a thing that holds Follone back because I think, Faloni so adapted into the George Lucas philosophy, which is great. But even when you sell it over, it's got evolve a little bit, right? And I think that that's why, from what I hear, and again, I'm not true it is, but like, he doesn't want to go outside of anything that he doesn't feel fits the philosophy. You don't want anything to deal with it.

And like the novels, you don't say, I bet you he's got nothing. I wonder what his thoughts are on Andor. I bet you he doesn't like it. I don't know that. I mean, I shouldn't say that. I bet you probably appreciates it's a really good television show. I don't know how much he feels like it. I bet you he's like it's kind of off Star Wars.

Maybe that's why those people that also feel the way. That's fascinating. I could also be wrong. I could also be wrong. He might think it's the most Star Wars thing ever. I have no idea. Yeah. But what I will say is I would think that they do need a team to be able to, and if it is

pheloning, what Kathleen Kennedy needs to do is to say, all right, because she's, she's run the television department that way. Even though it's, I think it's still scattered in like, it's almost like, okay, it's almost like, it's almost like Game of Thrones, like the Starks are running this, the Lannisters are running this and this because, like, you know, You look at how Faloni and Favro were not involved in Obi-Wan is baffling to me. They shouldn't have involved at all. I mean, I think that Flon he was like a special consultant or something.

But he should have been the showrunner of that show. It's weird. Debra Chow should have been directing the whole thing. And then they worked together. So let Faloni show run that thing. How you don't have them as the imprint on the television universe, that's what they need. You know what it is like? It's like the DC television.

You got Titans and Doom Patrol. You got Peacemaker. And no one's talking. We don't even know if it's the same. That seems like, oh, I know it's going to change. And I think Star Wars, maybe this will be the final, like, oh, D.C. finally got it together. Right. Yeah.

We need to do, we need to coalesce this all into one umbrella. Well, Steph, as we get out of here, tell me your thoughts on this whole Kathleen Kennedy thing. If it's true, I think that you probably feel it's a good move. Oh, yeah. I mean, it just shows you when people have been in power for so long, most of them become out of touch with normal, like, everyday conversation. Everyone in their mom's talking about that you guys should stop announcing movies and they keep announcing movies. Like it's not like this revolutionary concept, but when you're so outside of it, I think like you lose a little bit of that touch. And I think that, you know, going to Star Wars celebration, there's clearly this as it should be, I don't know if it as it should be.

Like Lucasfilm and Star Wars to me are kind of two different things now. And it almost should be two different things. Like you have a Willow panel at the same time that. What was that? What was that? What did someone put a drink in the freezer? Oh my God. That was amazing.

I'm going to keep it in the show. Yeah. Like, what? I thought it was your kid scootering into the wall. I think Brett put a soda in the freezer and it blew up. Did you put it underneath the freezer part? It got real cold. What was it?

Somebody told me to turn up. There it is. How many blew up? It was too cold. Just one blew up? Too cold like my heart. What flavor was? Oh.

Oh. Damn it. Orange. Yeah, don't put it next to the freezer. That's orange. Anyway, my thoughts are done. Okay, we'll go. And I guess that's what we'll end the show.

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