The Kristian Harloff Show - ANDOR EPISODE 9 Spoiler Discussion | Star Wars | Sith Council

Episode Date: November 3, 2022

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What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to Sith Council, Big Thing. Man, and or episode 9, it's in the books. We're going to talk about it here today. I'm going to get some of the names right. Some of them probably not. Mike's here. Steph's here.

We're going to talk about it. We're going to talk about how Steph pretty much shut down the internet with her Instagram post. I'll talk about that in a little bit as well. It's out there. We're talking now? Are we allowed to talk right now or no? You decided you wanted it. the rules.

So what's laughing right there? What's behind that inner Giectam belt? The belt that I've held for... Anything else you see over there? Anything you see by that, by that... Where is it? Where is it over there? This guy?

It's right behind the belt. No, right behind the belt. Can you go ahead and see what's behind that belt over there? What's behind that belt over there? Can you see what's, what is that? What's behind that belt? Kevin Smet's the 2020 Yodi Award winner. The man beat cancer, so he deserves this.

Yes, he does. Look how nice you are. Well, what do you say? You didn't deserve this award? All right, we'll get it in a second. Listen. If he got cancer for a year, you don't deserve this? Stop this.

Jesus. Stop it. What are you trying to, what are you trying to start there? He was on the other day. I know he was. You never invite me on a big thing, but you invite him on there. You're on this show every week. Shut your hole.

People want more of me. That's definitely not sure. Everyone wants more. Listen to me. We're talking about Andor, and the Acklite finally started filming. That's good news. Did it? Yeah.

And then we have some other stuff. Apparently Tony Gilroy is talking a little bit more, or not Tony Gilroy, I guess someone else talking a little bit more of how they saved Rogue 1. So we'll get into that. It's Sith Council. It's me. It's Mike. It's Steph.

Let's get into it. All right, everybody. Ready? We're going to do the big thing logo today because I plan that out. So that's what we're going to do. It's not our show. Nope. It is.

Focus makes you stronger. Welcome back, everybody. It's nice to have you here. Sith Counsel. It's me. It is. Steffalo Roos. And Mike Kellenowsk.

What's up, everybody? Oh, big thing again. Look at that. That's perfect. You're top-notch today. It's been a day. It's been a day. Good to have you here.

And, or Mike, I'm going to start with you. Hold on. I've just noticed this. Can we get any more shit in front of my face here during this three-shot? Go to the three-shot. Look at this. Every day I show up, there's more statues in front of me. Pretty soon it's going to be a wall of shit.

I'll be like, hi, guys, I'm here for Sith cats. The audio listeners don't know. Well, there's statues and statues galore in front of me. We got mall. We got, this guy's not even Star Wars, so I'm going to get him on the ground here. Get him on the ground. My neck is caught. Step, put Jabba back.

I don't mind Jabba. Lost it already. Lost control. You're going to start with me. Why? But I'd love that. Well, I want to get, I don't know if I should start with, We should start with the indoor.

Let's just start with the indoor. Let's just start with the ender. All right. Andor comes out and it's right back. And I will say, oh yeah, here we go. Shut your hole. Because you do,

because one thing, as annoying as you are. Yeah. You do admit when you're wrong. I do. You do. And I'm going to do the same for you today because you said, you said last week that Tony Gilroyd said this is a three episode arc.

Yeah. It is indeed a three episode arc. The, the jab, the cross, uppercut. Jab, cross, subracuse. So this was, this was a cross. Yeah, it was. Holy Jesus.

Did you love it? You kidding me? Yeah, it was great, wasn't it? Star Wars, I say this, I'm going to say this, and I don't mean it, it's going to come off negative, but I don't mean it to. Star Wars has no right being this good. Right, I know. It just doesn't. Yeah, as far as television has no right being this good.

Like, and again, this kind of slow burn television is usually not my thing. Just not Star Wars, yeah. I know, there's usually people talk about, you know, shows like the wire and stuff like this, that I've tried to get into and I just can. And I preached how good they are, but this show, again, I don't even think there was a laser blast this episode. Nothing. No, it was a build. And it was like four different things, stuff that were building up. And there was the buildup, obviously, of, of Dedra and what she's doing.

Oh, my gosh. She needs to get slapped. I was saying, you know, she was, she's a nasty woman. For real. Absolutely. She is, but she is so good at what she does. because she is going through, because remember what I said in my review

was that she, when you first see her, you're like, oh, she's going to have to fight through this system and prove how good she is, and she's doing that, but she's ruthless. And then she's got serial face who's now a stalker. What did you think about this angle? Her, yeah.

She's absolutely evil, and she's just perfect for the fascist regime that they're presenting. And her and cereal are like, made for each other. There was definite heat rising on both of their accounts. You think it's going to happen those two? I don't think they'll show it, but yeah, they're going to pair up.

You think so? Yes, for sure. You think she kind of is. Yes, I think when she came back in her office and she's like, who, that is. I've seen that before. I know what that feels like. That is the angry. I tweeted this out last night and I don't know if I was like,

is this going to me a mistake? Is it going to get me in how? water, I just said as like, so when are they going to angry hate each other? Like, when is that happening with these two? Because you have those people you meet in life where you just, they just irk the, but you're so compatible if you would just get past your own egos. Like they're perfect for each other. Like not as a couple, but their ideology of what the empire is.

They're like twins. But they can't admit it, but she's the dominant one. And he's obsessed. And he's obsessed. Oh, and he's going to choke the hell out of him. Yes, yes. He's going to do it to her and she's going to love it. But it makes sense because she is like in it for,

they're both have kind of different angles, right? Like I feel like she just wants to be like pet and be like good dogs. Like you know what I mean? Like she just wants to be like have the upper hand in the IBS. He's like a great representative of like a school shooter low key. Like you know what I mean? Like they get this psychotic ideology and are like obsessed with it and then have to find a way to do it. Yeah.

And I think that that, I mean, you have that scene because even, I love that we call him cereal. We know his name cereal. I mean, he's eating cereal. Yes. That's all he eats. You know, what are you doing? What's the uncle's name? Ralph's.

Not Ralphus. No, it's, um. It's not Harold. It's Uncle something. The way she says it. Uncle June. Yeah, okay. Harloth.

Uncle Harloff. Uncle Harlow. Uncle Harlow. Harlow? It is. But yeah. He's going to be so happy. Oh, my God.

You got your shirt up and you're done up early. Oh, I'm so proud of you. There was just so much, but that angle of what was going on with him to where he, and he shows up and she's like, are you talking? He's like, no, I was just smelling the air you walk by. But, you know, like that whole thing, that worked out really well. And even her assistant who's now trying to jump up. Yeah.

And he's making a couple moves. She's doing what Deidre does. Yeah. I feel like he's going to come for her. It seems like, I mean, he keeps making the moves. She's like, I want you to call the doctor. Did that already. And he's like, whoa.

And the doctor. How creepy was that doctor? Like when, when Vicks is getting. tortured. Oh my God. And she's like, you know, it's your attorney goes, thank you. And it's like, it was so creepy. Did that creep you out?

Yes, because first of all, no one in the empire is getting laid. Like, they have like way too much time on their hands to be evil. But I thought that was such a, with no Sith lords, they're doing such a great job of presenting an even more evil side of it, which is like used by politics. And like how little they do care about the people. And it's all about power. And everyone who is a part of the empire are people who have, like, truly no soul or connection to humankind.

Something about this show, when I watch, you know, the movies I watch or whatever, especially like superhero and all that kind of genre stuff, I'm always into the hero. Like I've always said it's like, I could watch a Batman movie of him just fighting mobsters. I don't care about the Joker this net. This show, and particularly these past couple episodes,

I'm more into the empire than I am Andor and the Good Guys. Right. I remember we talked about this? Yeah, and you would always say, I want to see both sides. I'm more interested in their story, in their character arcs, and what's going to happen with them than I am with And we're trying to do a prison break. And you know, I'm not, but I love that.

I love them. Yeah, but do you know why they, why that is? I think because if you look at the way the empire in most of the shows, even in the broken down empire in the Mandalorian and Alyssa, they're painted pretty much like black and white villains. Totally. And it is just, they're almost cartoony at times, right? This is the most terrifying they've ever been.

But I'm also, but I'm not cheering for them. I don't want them to win. I don't want them to get Andors. They keep getting worse and worse. I want them all to die. I want their comeuppance. Yes. I want the come up and that's what they're doing really well.

The way that they're building it, it's the most like, I mean, there's tons of fascist regimes that have been like this, but it's the most Nazi that you've seen so far. Even that scene that Andor has with, um, Kino, who I'm now loving. Obsessed. Yeah. Loving him now. That last line. But the way that they changed him up, the way, what they did with Andy Circus. And now you know, oh, well, that's why they brought Andy in for this role.

Yeah. It makes more sense now than him just being like the house dog. A cameo house dog. Yeah, he's not the house dog. He's got way more layers to him. And when Andrew's trying to get him on his side, he's saying, how many Imperials are? They're walking around on that level. And he's saying, I'm not saying anything.

He's like, good luck to you, whatever. He's like, how many? I got 200 or 400 shifts left. Shut your mouth. He's like, nobody's listening. He's like, don't worry. Talk to me. No one's listening, right?

And that's going what Steph's saying, that they're just not paying attention. attention to these people. But to those people that have been there, they think we're under this imperial thumb. I'm like, we need to shut up. We can't do anything. Just keep your head down.

You've got X amount of days left. But then the promise we're going to get out. Right. It's like a Shawshank feel to it. It has all these things to it. So yeah, Steph, go ahead. It has, what this show is done better than any Star Wars show

and better than any Disney Plus show, period, is the attention to detail. Yeah. Everything about this world is so detailed. The pacing and everything matches, right? So if you don't like the first episode, you're probably not going to like this one. Because it's slow and it's detailed and it's showing you exactly how it did unfold the way it did. And even in that prison with Andy Circus's character, it's like you're actually getting, yeah, Keno.

You're getting like these character arcs. Same with Andor. Like now we're actually seeing him become a leader because he didn't start that way. He was like, why I'm here for the money. Now he's like talking to people, getting like being smart and you're like, this is how. he becomes a rebellion leader. He's not just a dummy. No, he's good at it. And he's good at it. And he's good at it. He's paying attention to it. And he's understanding he's starting to buy more into it. Yeah. Of what it is. But it's also,

it's getting on board with Kino who is, as you said, Mike, he's played by the rules. There's only so many days left. And then the, what was the old dude's name? Oh, um, Uruk. Uruk. Ugov. Ugoff. Ugoff. Ugoff. Mow might be from dark. I'm obsessed with dark right now. I don't know. But either way. Uloff. Uloff. So he has that, he has that whole thing with him and that. that's really where Kino wakes up because he's because there's this whole thing that happens on

level, whatever's it, level two, whatever happens to all. And then, and they're like, well, what's going on with,

with this? And that's when you started to see Kino break down a little bit. Not in that scene with the old man at first. It was before they said, we don't know what happened yet. So let's just keep it quiet. Let's just try to figure out. We don't know what happened yet.

And it's like when he started to build him out that way, I'm like, okay. So he can come around. He's not just being this. Ulolf. Yeah. He's not just being this like,

lap dog. Yeah, it kind of reminded me of immigrant mentality. Like, in my own family, immigrants are just known for keep your head down, listen to the rules, and like, we can find the American dream. And I think that, like, that's a paradigm that they've built. And Kino's done that with this, where he's like, keep your head down, follow the rules, we'll get out. Right. But that's not how it is. You know, following the rules of a fascist regime, I'm not saying America is fascist, but following the rules of an unfair system isn't going to get you the outcome you think it's going to get. Right. And then I liked how he's, turned at the end because, you know, he had, it had to have been layered.

He's not going to go from all the way extreme. Yeah. Years of perfect behavior to all of a sudden like, yeah, yeah, and are for sure. Fantastic point. Fantastic point. Because that's also why I think the detail, as you were mentioning before, is so important to this where in other, in other, not just Star Wars and other shows that we've watched, it's like, well, that was a quick turn.

Yeah. The guy was just like talking about, just stick to your business, do this. And now he's, yeah, I'm on board with you guys. And there was this detail and attention to detail, as Steph was mentioning, that you get to that point where it starts to layer in a little bit. By the time he gets to him, you're like, okay, you're telling us who this guy is. He's just a guy that wants to serve a sentence, wants to figure it out, we'll find his way out. But he cares.

He cared about Ulrich. And he cares, oh, Rick, I said again, Oloff. Do your research. No. No. But he cares. But he cares. He cares about, and you can tell that he cared.

and he was heartbroken about that. So it was such a great ending when Andrew was like, says it again, how many on there? And was he say 13 or whatever he says? No more than 12 or whatever. And you're like, okay,

so that's the uppercut. The uppercut we're going to get in the next episode. And then when Ander was like, follow protocol or get in protocol. And like he switched into that leadership mode because I can imagine that he, he was like, like his whole world's crumble. Yeah.

And he lose hope. And then Andor like, that was like, okay, now he's like the captain. And I love what they're doing with Andy Circus. They're utilizing him. And he has a great scene where he blows up at one point in this too. And he's like,

and he's paying attention to all. And that's how you use Andy. I mean, Andy's like one of my favorite actors all time. For sure. And when he blows up at one point, I saw Gollum come out for like a split second. You know, he's thinking of him as an actor. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I was just thinking about that as an actor. You know, as much as he does the motion capture stuff, he's such a talented. physical actor as well and I was like wait a minute he was Alfred and Batman for a second there I was like why wasn't he in Batman I was he was Alfred

like he loses himself between the roles even though he doesn't change anything to his face he constantly changes himself I mean do you ever watch that movie 13 going on 30 yeah he's the he's the boss he's the head of oh my god

oh what's the name of the magazine it's the gay magazine it's Sprite or reveal or something like that He's just so, he's just so. I would have never. He's just such a versatile actor. He's, and that's the whole thing. You could see him like his sweat dripping.

Like it wasn't dripping and then it was like, how did people can put tears on? He's only got 40 shifts left. Help him. No, you say, I'm doing him a favor. Yeah, it was so that, and that whole thing with the doctor too, where he, where he was and they finally get, you know, numskull out of the imperial out of there. And then they're able to kind of figure out the plan. But the other thing, talking about figuring out the plan. And that's Mon Mothma, right?

So she had a lot going on. Yeah, please, go ahead. Tell us a big reveal here, Steph. That we get. Another detail why this is the best written Disney Plus show. It's like we got Sinta last episode or two episodes ago telling her that she's like rich. It's telling us. Telling us she's rich and spoiled or whatever.

And I still, I thought she could have been Scars Guard, Lucian, Lusian. Luthin. Luthin. Yeah, we said Lucian last time. Yeah, Luther. Sorry, Lutthin. But this reveal, I was like, oh, my God, this makes so much sense. And I'm glad that Mon Mothaba has someone that she can actually connect to

because our family is not connecting with her at all. No. And she has this thing, you know, obviously would tie. Yeah. Where and that conversation she has with him. And he's like, yeah, we're going to bring in a gangster. And I'm like, you mean the gangster we're waiting for in the Favreau trailers? Like that kind of gangster?

I've been doing the research and I've, you have all the answers. Don't she's like, well, I need it? to. This is the guy. I can find someone else, but this is the guy. So do you think, and it doesn't, it doesn't matter if it is or not, but I'm just curious, because they had, um, Andy pop up, I mean, nobody knew he was coming in. Yeah. So you think the, the, you think it's going to be a big, you know, reveal of who it is. It could be, right? Yeah. He's not going to be around after the show. You're going to kill him off somehow. Maybe not. Or maybe. Or maybe. This guy's popping in. Oh, my, well, my boss. I don't, I don't think there. No. There's, there's,

No. There's been no aliens. I was thinking about that last night. I was like, this show is not, I think. A lot of mention of aliens. For me, for me, if, like, Vader walks in now in one episode, it's going to throw it off for me. It's just weird. That's such a. It's a weird.

I don't know why I'm saying this. But if, like, Vader walks in with the stormtroopers, I'm just going to, and he's, you know, they're trying to rebel. And he just goes, boom with his lightsaber. I'm like, eh, this is, this is out of place. We don't need this. I don't know. I mean, it worked in Rogue One, and it was the same type of setup. Yeah, you don't think they've earned it.

I don't think they're going to do it, but I feel like they've earned a moment like that. I don't think they need to earn a moment. That's the thing. I don't think they need this. That's a difference. Rogue one would have had a great, and again, that was an added moment.

And it was cinematic. It was added. That was not originally intended to be that. Vader was in it. But not that way. Maybe not. No, I think originally he killed everybody. He was the one of killed everyone.

That's ridiculous. It was just because it was not, it was, they went out on their own terms in the new ending. Yeah. But either. No, I don't think it needs that. But I agree with you there.

It doesn't need it right now. But I do think that it would feel like in place and it would feel like Star Wars. And I think one of the things that really cemented that for me in this episode was when Mon Mothma is given her speech in the same room that freaking Palpatine was fighting Yoda in. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. Like that. So it brought it right back.

And then there's some people, if you watch, I don't know if you guys watch it with subtitles, But like, oh yeah, there's some people screaming out in the back. Some of the letter. Boom, let her, you know. Some people let her talk is it's splitting. Some people are shutting their lights off and walking out. Lazy. Yeah, it was great.

Remind me of our senators. Like, half of the time I'm like, they don't do anything. I'm like, you guys are getting paid to do. You don't want to work. You don't want to work. You just want to scream or leave. Or laugh at each other. They laugh at people.

Yeah. Yeah. So you just are, it is representative. I feel like half the senators really want to be there for their people. Half of them are like, I would rather be rich. Yeah. I'm here for the paycheck. paycheck. And didn't it go really well with Tales of the Jedi? Like in terms of like the, the,

with the Duku stuff, senators not doing what they're supposed to do for their constituents. And I just thought that the shows are pairing pretty well together. That was always the misconception when you were younger and thinking of, okay, well, here's the empire. And the empire are the bad guys and they just overthrew the good guys. But you never realize in any society that what were the good guys doing before they got overthrown? Well, they weren't working together. They were doing some stuff that wasn't working out. Now that they're all with the bad guys, it's like, do they conform? Like, think it again.

You're talking about Nazi Germany, right? There were a ton of, like, people that had the opportunity to reject that government. And they didn't because they were benefiting from whatever Hitler was bringing in there. They were benefiting from it. So they said, we're going to go along with it. And then there are other people who pushed against it. There were other people who were too scared to do it. anything. And it's what this show echoes, and it's what Lucas echoed back in the day. That's why

this show, it's so, I agree with you, Mike. I know what you're trying to say. With the, I totally know what you're trying to say. With the television, like, it's like, this is the type of show that pops up and you're like, whoa, what's this new show? How detailed it is. I mentioned a step when we walked in and I'm telling everybody, so I'm blue in the face. I just started watching this show that people have been recommending me forever on Netflix called Dark. And it's a time travel show. It's a, it's a German show subtitles, but it's, it's incredible and it's detailed and it's layered. And I really need you to watch it ASAP so I can talk to about it. I will. I'll watch it tonight. And it's, and I was at the dentist and yesterday. And she's like, do you want to

watch this? And I just put them in Dark Episode 5. And I was watching subtitles while I, I'll get my teeth cleaned. But it's the same type of thing. We're talking about Andrew. It's the layers. It's the take time, build, and get to this place. I want this show. I'm so bummed. It's only going to be two seasons. I know. They've only said it's only two.

Gilroy said three. He said three. But then. I think it's two. But yeah, because Cassie, because Diego Luna turned and said, well, I only sign on for two. But they have two. And how about Bix, by the way? Like, does she, she's got to survive.

The only reason I think she does survive this is what, Dedra said. And she's like, keep her alive. She doesn't survive the show. No. No. She survives this interrogation. Yeah.

Because they're going to put her back in the system because she's the only one that can. He didn't want him to come to her. Yeah. And she can identify what's his face? Yeah. And then in the trailer, Farrix has like a full uprising, right? I'm pretty sure. So I think that's probably going to come after they hang, they do a public hanging.

Hang that clown. That was a crazy scene. Right? When he goes, when he walks up to her and to, uh, to Dejra and goes, well, what are we going to do with her? She's like, well, we got to keep her alive. Don't kill her because she's only one that can identify access. So the, and he's, what about the other jerk off? And she's like, I don't care.

He goes, I want to hang him. Yeah. And I want to hang him. Make an example. And, and, and, and, and, but it's the look of joy in his face when he says, like, that's what I want to do to this guy. Yeah. And it was so Ray finds from like Schindler's list. Yeah.

So do you see then, again, this goes to what I'm saying. Like, remember in. And, and, um, Obi-Wan, we got a hanging. Yeah. And it was kind of like, oh, that sucks. This, you feel the dread. There's just this, this, this, this, this sense of menace and dread in this show. It's the difference between, and they're just humans.

We're not putting it on a, a, uh, animatronic, CGI alien or something to create, these are just people and we're just- Well, I care about that guy. He only had, like, two lines. Yeah, of course you do. Use the call box. He has a son. I know a lot about him, why I care about him. Right. Yeah, because they set it.

because it's even that hesitancy that he has about letting her use the equipment at that point. And then you're absolutely right. It's that simple nod that he gives to his kid and the fact that they're setting it up with not beating you over the head with it. Like either it's little lines like again with the doctor with this maniacal smile and he gets to do this. And you're like, oh, I know so much about this creep. Right. Just from this as opposed to just like I think that what you have is sometimes the villains can come off cartoon. Like, The Inquisitors came off cartooning.

For sure. They were cartoony. And then so it's not as intimidating as watching, like, oh, people like this, like this empire. Like, this, like, really happens. It's, it's the, you know, in the movies we see the spy movies, the doctor comes in with his little black leather bag. And he opens it up. It's like, well, I haven't used these tools in a while, but we're going to have some fun here. And you know, you're like, didn't you love what the torture device was?

It wasn't a needle. It wasn't anything. It was the screams of, it's nothing physical. You're not physically assaulted. The screams of alien children. Yeah. Like crazy. Crazy.

And what a great transition it was when Bix directed masterfully, by the way, this one. She screams at the top of her lungs for being tortured, and it goes into the sound of them working away in the prison of them chipping away. And it was just such a nice sound mix. It was really well done. The two of the, like the two different scenes we got to see in these episodes. And then I feel like we got more clear. that they're probably building the Death Star.

You think so? Yeah, I think, because I think that it's really important what they're building. At first, I was like, are they just building to keep them busy? But I think it's very important, which is why they're disposable. Right. And why they are, like, droids are more important because whatever it is, they just need to get it done. And that's why they're, like, imprisoning them for unknown amounts because it's like, just get this thing done.

Right. And they're, and unjustly. Yeah. It's not even, they're not, they're not, they, they, they didn't do anything. Yeah. And he's in there. And it was that all of that, the way that was set up and how he's building these people out.

And then I didn't realize, I think you guys brought it up last week, Mike. I think we did where one of the characters is... Melchie. Yeah, Melchie from Rogue One. So, I don't know, man. There was just so much... And I'm trying to think if there's anything in particular that we missed in this episode.

I know that we start off. I mean, the stuff... Oh, there was the other one. When Dindra and the Imperial crew are all talking about how they caught the rebel. They caught the one of Rebel. Yeah. And how, again, how they just don't even value life these people. And they're just like, well, we can't just kill them.

Because if we do, then it's going to. That's a red flag. Yeah. Maybe it looks like an accident. And then she comes up. What if we come up with an accident, kill him? And this is like, great idea. Like just checking off the list.

Like, just writing off human life just like that. It reminds me what we did to a lot of the Black Panther leaders, actually. Like the FBI. Right. There's just like, they're just all these on accident murders. of the leaders of this massive thing for human rights, which is like crazy. That's what I love about the show.

I feel like it's the most replicant of our society. I think it's not only it's just necessarily... Not America, I'm thinking the world. Absolutely. Look at the stuff that happened in Russia. Yeah. And it's like, oh, a photographer, oh, we don't know how that happened. Of course you don't.

He fell off a balcony in a hotel. Wait, what? Right. Yeah, the journalist, Kush, Kushi. And throughout history, whether it's a Romans, whether it was it. It's like that type of stuff and the way that blends in, you just start thinking about how these, how people stay in power, come in power.

But now that the empire, the thing that I really love about the show is, it shows that even though Cassian up top says, look at them all fat, they don't care, they don't do this. But it shows you once you start poking the bear, the bear's dangerous. Yeah. This isn't just like, yeah,

eventually you're going to be able to have the farm boy come in and blow up, you know, the big toy. Right. But they're going to kill, lot of people before that happens. Yeah, they're not all the same. Some of them just want to stay in power, like, well, we're talking about the senators who just want to be lazy and just want

to stay in power. Some of them want that to be, like, evil power. So there's differences between them, which we haven't seen in the past. I feel like all the dark side is just dark evil. There's no, like, layers to it. No, it's true. What do you think, because there's a lot, the crew itself, the jail crew, Yeah, prison crew.

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Because I want to see how you guys think the prison break is going to happen. And we'll talk about that the second. Before we do that, what are we going to talk about? I think it's going to be, this is my favorite art. Yes. It's pretty good. But we'll get back into it.

But let's talk about Star Wars, the Acolyte. And this is from Newsnet, yes. Wow. So, yes. The accolite is finally some news come out. Well, the news keeps coming out from everybody except Lucasfilm. And you don't think it's official because it's not official. I do.

That's the Harloff way. You know that it's official? You don't think it's official? You do now. I've thought it's always official. I never. You both didn't. Look.

Ma'am. Ma'am. Silence, ma'am. It wasn't a matter. And I still stand by this. You just wanted the official word. No, it wasn't a matter. Then what is the word?

If they're giving these announcements by the trade. It's why are you getting it and doing it and not even mentioning it at the big events? Yeah, you're right. That was the baffling thing to me. Yeah, that is what you said. Yeah. Like when you have, because even like when they went to D23 and Marvel had that. Brett, we got to try.

Steph, we got to get Steph one of those. Coffee, Brett. Coffee. She's got to try a trade. But. Please. But they had, um, they had this thing, you know, where I don't understand Marvel, whether it's a project, Daredevil, right?

Yeah. They just, devil is coming. That was an incredible noise. Who was that? I don't know. You're going to throw up here? No, well, you guys know I've had a cough for two weeks now. You got a cough?

Do you want milk? Yes. You got lingering COVID? Do you want a cream? Um, yes, please. Um, no, no, I didn't have COVID. I just got a cough and so it's just been going. It's lingering.

He probably had a stupid thing that's going around. So annoying. But I'm sorry. Yeah. Anyway, but, but. Yes. No announcements, no nothing. They denounced Daredevil.

They did announce Daredevil. But I think with Daredevil, it was a combination of a lot of things. Like we had, Charlie Cox was in Spider-Man. Yes. We, the She-Hulk trailer dropped. He was in that. So it was like they knew you're not giving him. So without.

We didn't have any little drops. But it's still a project that's coming out in like three, two years. You're right. I'm not lying. They talked about a ton of projects, so they didn't mention anything. But all this casting is coming out. They announced their star at a press line, a Comic-Con. It's weird.

But now we get official word that they are, what do you think? It's coming. No. Oh, I didn't try it yet. Oh, okay. It's hot. It's hot. I see the steam coming up.

It's super high. Let her. Proper taste. Proper taste. Okay, let's let it sit for two minutes. Oh, part two. Yeah, part two. Another noise.

Another earthquake. I don't know what's happening here. All right, the acolyte... The way I was the only one who didn't look in the right direction. It was hilarious. What Steph's talking about that clip. If you guys didn't see it. It's the only...

It's so worrisome for my survival if I'm ever in a scary movie. Okay, listen. The Accolite starts shooting in Shinefield Studios, almost two years after it was officially announced by Kathleen Kennedy, Leslie Headland's new live action Star Wars series has finally started shooting in the UK. According to Bestbin Bulletin, Cameras are now rolling on the outdoor set Build at Sinnfeld Studios, Berkshire, 40 miles west of London.

Construction of the set has been ongoing for at least a couple of months with the first pictures servicing on the internet in early September. Besman Bulletin also posted an aerial view from the set in October showing how much progression has been made. They are reminiscent of set photos that we got from several Andor locations back in the first half of 2021, though the sets are certainly not as large. Although, excuse me, unlike Andor, though, It is expected that the Akylite will combine built-in sets and the volume technology.

That's great. That was used in the Mindlorian and Obi-W-W-W-W-W-W-W. But, oh, wait. But aren't they doing? I don't know. But wait, there's more. Interestingly enough, and or showrunner, Tony Gilroy has said in multiple interviews that it was not possible for them to combine shooting on a soundstage and in indoor sets. Here are two aerial photos of this.

Outdoor sets. Right. So here is the... I got to tell you. When I see pictures like that, scroll up. Is that what our viewers are seeing right now? They can't see it, no. Oh, they can't. Well, they're showing the sets. I love pictures like that.

I just, I don't know if it's the actor in me or a kid growing up on movies and little tease that we got. I remember back in the day, now 30 years ago or so, when they showed the aerial shot of Pinewood Studios when they built Gotham City for Batman. Oh. And it was, they built basically like half a mile of Gotham. And it was just like that. And ever since then, I love that stuff. It's really cool. to me, it's the peak behind

filmmaking. It's like one of my jobs that's work at Universal Studios and I get to go in the back lot. That's like when people are rude to crew and designers, I'm like, they make it possible. I just, I love seeing stuff like that. I love, you know, and that might be one scene in the show. And they built

all that. Maybe. Probably not. But I just love stuff like that. Love it. Going back to So Gilroy couldn't use the volume and real sets. I think that's fantastic. That's what he says. Well, it shows. And it looks awesome. Yeah, so maybe, maybe, I don't know, is it concerning that they're going to be doing that.

They need a lot. I want Gilroy on more projects. I know. The Accolite now becomes the third live action Star Wars series in production at the same time. Though Asoka may be about to wrap. If it hasn't already, Skeleton Crew, the new series from John Watts and Christopher Ford, an executive produced by John Favreau and Faloni, still has at least another month left of principal photography in Los Angeles. Additionally, Bespin Bulletin is saying that the Mandalorian Season 4, which Favro has,

has been scripting for a while, could begin filming in Manhattan Beach studios as soon as this month. This would line up with Asoka wrapping up now, but certainly would mean the team over there is not taking a break. Osoka began filming a month and a half after the Mandalorian season three wrapped and has been shooting ever since currently with Skeleton crew in the same lot. The accolade has yet to be officially dated, though a release date sometime in the first half of 2024 seems likely. It will be shooting in the UK until May. Meanwhile, and or season two will also. start shooting in the UK in November and we'll keep doing so through August, targeting a late summer or early 2024 release. Leslie Headland has lined up an all-star cast led by Amanda Lesttenberg, who has already been seen around the set, including Jody Turner Smith, Lee Zhang Jay,

Mani Jacinto, and Charlie Burnett. All right, lots to talk about. Lots to talk about. First things first. So it's good we're shooting. That's good. I agree with them. I think that 2020. I think that 2024 is realistic because if we, let's do what we always do here. Let's do it. We got January, or excuse me,

February, we got Mandalorian season three. I was going to ask you that. I was driving in today. Yeah. And I was thinking about Mando. So February, really.

So we're not going to get any Star Wars around Christmas time, huh? Nah. That sucks. I know. Well, I mean,

Bad Batch comes out in January. That's not Christmas time. That's not. Yeah. That's the earliest one you got. It'll be a good job, a good time, though, to rewatch one,

and two. Mendo one and two. Well, they also don't want to jump on. Which I haven't done in, like, since, like, I feel like a year and a half two years. We should do it. We should do it on this show. Do you watch this? Maybe.

Yeah. If we lead into it, if we have enough time to lead into it. I mean, it's only, what, eight episodes of season or something? I think it's 10 episodes. Yeah, maybe you watch two. Or at least season two. We might be able to do it. We'll try to plan it out.

I'm going to do, too, but I'm just saying that the show. But there's shorter episodes anyway. But. Yes, sir. Yeah, I agree with you. I think that if we don't, well, they probably also don't want to step on Guardians, which is a Christmas special. The holidays.

Yeah, you're right. You're right. So we'll have that. Is that a movie? It's like a special presentation. It's like, it's like, a werewolf by night. Oh. I didn't know how I was going to feel about it.

Yeah. Because I was, because I'm so over the over comedy. Yeah. But as I was watching, I was like, it's just a Christmas special. And it's kind of. You watched it. I watched the trailer. It reminds me of, I mean, I don't say the Star Wars one, but in that vein of, we're

taking characters. of putting him on this little adventure. Yeah. It looks, it looks fun. It feels like it's going to be Mantis and Drax, Maine,

and Kevin Bacon. Yeah. So I think, I think for me, I stick with the fact we got Mandalorian season three, two, three is coming out in February.

Okay. And then I would say, Soka. Yeah, because Bad Batch, then Mandelorian, then Assoca is probably, I'd say August,

September. So you think, okay, so Mandoo's going to be what, I'd say eight episodes. Let's see. So that's going to be February, March, little April. You think we're going to get Star Wars and get until August?

Wow. We'll be done in, let's see, February. We have February and then you'll be done in March or April. It has eight episodes. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, yeah. I mean, the only thing is it just depends on when Andor season two is coming out.

If Andrew season two is coming out next year. That's true. Then maybe. Do you think Andrew or two before Ackolite? Well, yeah. Yes. Yeah. Because they're already coming.

We're skeleton crew dropping. Skeleton crew, they said next year. 2023? That's what they said. So I push Asoka up. I push Asoka into the Obi-1 slot. And then Skeleton Crew closes out the year. I don't know.

I mean, that's going to be, that's interesting. It's also why they don't do any announcements anymore. And they had, you know, obviously we talked about this week. They need to not. They bungled that quite a bit. The film, I agree. But they already have all these things planned out. Like, when are we getting these shows?

Yeah. And I think that I wonder how much they have to coordinate with Marvel because they don't want to step on toes. But then again, think about, we talk about stepping on toes. Oh, shit, there it is. That's really good stuff. Are you going to get a subscription? Yes. Oh, my gosh.

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Anyway, so Ackleid. Now, the next question goes into, what's that? What the hell is it? We don't know. That we don't know. And I love that we don't know. Now, I think that all we do know is that it's before Phantom Met us, which is something they haven't been playing in. Now, where does Leslie Headland go with tone now?

Because if they just started shooting, that means she's watched Andor. Ducks. Right? She's seen Andor. She's seen these other shows. She's a big Star Wars fan. So the question is, when she's looking at it, does she say, all right, I want to go more into what the blend of what they were doing on,

whether it was Mandalorian or I want to go a little bit more of what they were doing with Obi-Wan or really like what they're doing on Andor. I would say that it's going to lean towards Andor because of what she's done with Russian doll. Yeah. And it's that, like, if she's able to go that dark with it and realize that there's an audience that wants to see a more serious side of it, don't make the same. Sith some cartooning, make them, wait, if the empire is as scary as they are in Andor, the Sith should be, in no world should the empire be more scary than the Inquisitors and they are by

a thousand percent. The, the Sith need to be terrifying. Yes, I think that she's going to go more in Andor, but I do think it's going to be sassier, like a little more fun. Yeah, more space opera. Yeah, yeah, which I think could be a really cool tone. I think she's going to keep the empire as evil, but I think that there's going to be characters that are a little more spicy. I think Diego's getting there, Cassian, but it's not right now. You know what I'm going to say? I'm going to say something that's going to make it. I don't know it makes any sense.

Maybe it will. This is filming in England. Yes. And or is swimming in England. I think there is just something about filming there, the quality of, or not, I don't say the quality of talent. The actors they're getting for all the roles, not just the big roles. not just the big rules, the smaller roles. That's what they're going to be casting out of.

Probably you're going to be casting out of actors that they really like for Andrew, but they couldn't get so they're going to have got them in their bank of actors that they really like. Look at Boba, Mando, Obi-1, all filming L.A., L.A. crew, L.A. casting. You got famous people popping in, like, flee. Obi-1 didn't do part of it in. I think so. I thought they had, yeah, they had a set there that had a set photo leads. I don't know.

I remember all the talk was in L.A. I know they did a lot. They use the volume for everything, and that's where that is. I just feel it will go more and or. I think it's just that maybe they're using some of the same, creative builders and designers that are always over there, and they've got a kind of a Star Wars base. Like, you know, Marvel's got their pine wood in Atlanta.

Yes. So, like, everything films in Atlanta. So a lot of the stuff kind of has that same vibe where I think Star Wars has always had a thing in England. You know, they've always put, with the TV stuff, they built L.A. it's easier for Favron, everyone were right here. But I think that's their own little thing over there. And I think it's going to lean more Andor. I think you're right.

The technical aspects of everything behind a production funnels it to that. But I think the other reason, the thing that we should absolutely be looking at when it comes to TV, as you said earlier about Andor where Star Wars didn't just like, no right being as good as a television show, right? Now, Tony Gilroy is a really great filmmaker and a great writer. and and and but but wait one second so he so he's able so he took those skills and whatever he did and we'll talk about that a little bit what we did to kind of retool rogue one and made it work he's

doing that with andor right now i stand by it and i say like i think deborra chow the two episodes that she did or the episodes that she did for mandolarian were just like chef's kiss beautiful i don't know if she was the right choice overall to run an entire show right away i did at first but after seeing what i I don't know. I think she needed more help, right? Now, Leslie Henlin, by the way, is a experienced showrunner and has been working in a very highly acclaimed show in Rush and Doll.

I think we're in tremendous hands here with the tone of television, even more so than Tony Gilroy, who was not a big TV person. Yeah. What I was going to say to your point, what I said about, you know, has no right being this good, I meant in the sense that Star Wars, we've always been told, and we believe it, is it's for kids.

Right. It always is. It always has been, and there's nothing wrong with that, and it's great. This to me is not for kids. It's not for kids. And this is this first property I think, and or is. This is the first property I think Star Wars says, this isn't for kids. We're not making the Lucas Star Wars of it's for children.

And if you're an adult, it speaks to the child at your heart. This speaks to the adult of us as this world we're living in. And that's, I think, why it's hitting so hard is because we see this every day. Yeah. So I think that's what I meant, not to disparage Star Wars. at all. Yeah, totally. But I just feel.

So the other thing, though, when Mike says, though, I always say when it comes to creative choices and when the fans always say, well, Disney will never make that creative choice. They're not making that creative choice. That's Lucasfilm. However, what I will say is this. They can't keep making shows like Andor

without Disney going, come on. You're doing all these serious shows here and you're doing all these adult. We're the ones for the kids. Skeleton crew seems to be that way. Mandalorian. is for both kids and adults, obviously. Bad batch.

Bad batch. Acolyte, though, because of the subject matter in general, with kind of the Sith come into power, where do you think it lands? I think somewhere in the middle, but more towards Andor, and I think that this is the beauty of being on Disney Plus

and having more money to create shows, is that they can do a variety of things now in a way when they were only putting out movies, they couldn't, because they were trying to get one target audience. So I feel like this is a real, like it's a good thing that we're finally getting something like Andor because it's showing that they're willing to have in a variety.

You know what Marvel is. Yeah. And I think when I said about Andor is also like, I don't want to see aliens pop up. It'll be weird if they show. I think Ackleit would be that next, keeping the tone of Andro what we've done with this, then bring out creatures.

But keep it in this tone and keep this, you know what I'm saying? I don't know. I'm curious with how they're going to do it with are they going to bring in? Are they going to finally announce? Well, sabers, it's about the Sith. And the Jedi, or it's like the last tail end of the High Republic.

So the Jedi going to be all over the place in that one. I think this is going to be a very heavy lightsaber show. Yeah. And it should be. Sure. The question is, who is the main character here in the Sith? We know that Amanda is the lead, right? Now is Amanda a Jedi?

Or is Amandaela a, is Mandela the accolite? Like, or is the accolite about the, the, like, we don't know enough about it. You can just say, like, it to me is the one that I've been looking forward to the most. Yeah, you've been talking about this forever. So to clarify for me, Phantom Menace is in live action and animation. That is the earliest we've gone back, right? As far as canon, what is considered with everything we've got right now? As far as that we've, that we've seen.

I mean, well, I mean, Tales of the Jedi is before. Right. So, but that's still, that can fit in the prequel error because it's Duku. It's, it's Quigon. Right. I'm saying so that's pretty as far as they've gone. They haven't gone back, say, 100 years, 50 years. And the games they have, right?

But that's not really. Yeah, but even in the games. Not Night of Zool Republic on that. I'm talking like, right, I'm saying in canon, will this act like give us this first taste of that era? I think so. Yeah, well, yeah, I think they already said that it's going to be. Yeah. I mean, it's the end of the High Republic.

It's like starting to. We don't know a time frame. We haven't said this is 10 years before. I think it's about 50. 50 before Phantom, Menace. Yeah, if I remember correctly, we'll find out. So Palpatine probably is 20, 30 years old maybe, if that. If that, if that at all.

So there's probably no Palpatine. No, what I would say, if you're going to see anybody, you're going to get Plagueis. So this, this would be the, so that's what I'm getting at. So this would be the great. Project to not deal with Palpatine. Right. His Sith coming into power. It's the Sith before him.

Yeah, it's like it's his, it's what he, it's like the wave of crime that he ultimately becomes. So then the actress you said that's the lead. She's the acolyte. She's got to be. We don't know that. She's not a Jedi. She's not some random Jedi.

She's the acolyte. If she's the lead that we've heard the most talk about, the series is called the acolyte. We don't know. She's got to be it. Could be completely wrong. I could be off my rocker. Could be a Jedi.

Either way, all right. So that's news that we have there. The Ackleit has begun filming. Other news that we have now found out about, oops, that's me. I just took myself. Where is it? It's, well, Rogue One.

Let me talk a little bit, I'm going to tell you a little about Rogue One of what they say here. This is Tony Gilroy about what he actually did. It hasn't been a lot of talk about it because it's been kind of like a quiet thing that everybody knows. It's like the, so this is what,

Andor's editor says on massive changes that he and Tony Gilroy made to save Rogue 1 from terrible trouble. It's weird. Wait, did they say the editor is John Gilroy? Another brother? Is that what they said? It said John Gilroy? That'd be sick. I like when families get along.

Damn thing. All right. Anyway, so we have, Andor is now, obviously, this is the editor who was talking about what he and Tony Gilroy made to save him. of Rogue One from terrible trouble. So stories of a chaotic production have surrounded Rogue One over the years, specifically in regards to major changes to the story and the fate of the characters

in post-production. Now, John Gilroy has shed some light on them. It's never too late to learn about juicy behind the scene details, and Rogue One is the theatrical gift that keeps on giving. Despite much pre-release talk of a doomed project and countless rumors and tidbits since 2016, suggesting the film was heavily rewritten and reworked, a vast majority of general audiences critics and Star Wars fanatics have heavily embraced

the Gareth Edwards directed prequel to a new hope. During an episode of the playlist Andorcentric podcast, John Gilroy, brother of showrunner and lifesaver Tony Gilroy, shared fresh new details about his experience working on both Rogue One and the hit Disney Plus series and or. You can listen to the conversation on Spotify. We've got some of the highlights. So much has been speculated regarding the scale of changes made to the film in post-production. including rewrites and emergency reshoots.

Gilroy didn't want to give away too much, but mentioned they were really changing things and coming up with quite a different story. So this is what I'm very interested about right here. So I don't know how much I'm supposed to say here. Let me get this here. I finally found it. So he says about the production itself.

I don't know how much I'm supposed to say here, but it was really changing. things and using all the tricks in your bag as an editor to make things work. However you need to make them work, you make them work. It was actually, I mean, the basic plan was very simple. They had the movie that they had and they called Tony in. And Tony huddled for a while with another editor who was already on Colin Goody and used a lot of things that he had discovered when we were working together and just basically

made a new story. It was a quite different story. And then they convinced Disney to invest in that story, which was a sizable investment in time and money. And then it was just realizing what that was. So it's a new plan. You're not just going in and experimenting. No, we had a new blueprint. This is very, very telling. Perhaps the most interesting fragment from the conversation is how we described doing sizable rewrites in the editing room with the clock ticking. And so we went in and just did what we did and I had a blueprint. I didn't pay much attention to the other film except what we were doing sometimes is we were taking a scene

and we're totally retasking things in that scene. I mean, I work with a microphone right next to my avid. And if I get into a pickle with something, I just mock a line in and a bridge line or whatever I have to, and then later on, it's codified. And then we get the actor to do it. So there's a lot of rewriting that can go on

in a cutting room if you need to. It's not something you want to do for the first thing. If everybody wrote really great scripts and executed them perfectly, there'd be no need for that. Oof! But things happen. Jesus.

But things happen, and there's another elevated level to change the trajectory of a story or a film, and that's something that people do. He then added such massive changes are impossible to do in television due to the traditionally companies that goes to those productions.

When you start to experiment, what is what? A lot of big features do, you know. A lot of big features, they go in, they have a week third act, and then they shoot it. And they see what they have and then they go back

for all these gigantic reshoots. And yeah, that's an expensive way of working. I mean, you can't do that in television. Let's see. So it just goes on a little bit more. They talk about it. All right. For some guy that said he couldn't say much.

He said a lot. Jesus. But look, man, this is something that we all knew, right? And they just have never really said it. And I have said this kind of a thousand times over. Yeah. Gareth Edwards is a very nice person. I've had an opportunity to talk to him a couple times.

It's a nice guy. And I think he did it. He's done nice jobs with other things, too. But in no world did he direct that movie that came out. So he did the raid and then Godzilla, right? He did the rate. Not the rate. No, you're thinking of it's different.

Of Gareth Edwards. Yeah, no. Gareth Evans. Evans. Gary Edwards did a movie. No, he did Godzilla, but he did a movie of Monster or something. I can't remember what it was called. But anyway.

The Monsters? Not the Monsters, but a Monster, something. But he did something. And then he does Godzilla and then he does this movie. Oh, he did the Monster movie that was like a quarantine zone. Yeah, small movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But in no world did he direct that movie that we saw.

Because if you make a movie that made a billion dollars. Yeah. Where's he been? It just goes to show you the inner workings of Hollywood And they talk Of course To the world at large He's the director

This editor says it as much Whatever movie that they had And whatever movie it was And the rumors that we heard about Vader Killing all of them And doing all this too This guy just said it It was a different movie

The movie that we saw in those trailers With certain things And Vader's different movie Gilroy came in And what we're seeing now in Andor Is what he did to Rogue One Yeah I wonder if they didn't even have and or as an important character.

I don't know. They might have not. But I remember no, every trailer looked great. And again, you can make a great trailer out of a crappy movie. They had no movie though, dude. They remember, I'm saying like, what we still, as much talk as this is, we still don't know what that original movie was. Oh, totally.

We're not saying it was bad. The script is, hey, we're stealing the Death Star plans. That's the script. I remember originally. It can't change from that, right? I went, I had heard from a really reliable source when I, in 2014, um, in 2014, um, The guy said to me, he's like, I can tell you what the next movie's going to be, but she can't say anything. And I said, I would love to hear it.

And he's like, and this is, this is a, this guy was a reporter. Yeah. And he goes, and he's like, it's going to be about the Death Star, the plans of the, that I'm getting those plans, but it's going to be a bunch of bounty hunters have fun. And the bounty hunters get it. I'm like, oh, which ultimately was, the movie was the plans, but it wasn't the bounty hunter stuff. So I wonder how much, because this guy was, is just a, an ace report, right? So, like, he, I believe everything that was coming out from what he was saying.

Yeah. So I think that was probably the plan at first, was the bounty hunters find it. I mean, you look at the characters, they could have been bounty hunters. Right. Absolutely. Melchie, or not Melchie, uh, Baz, Bays, Malbus. All of them. All those guys.

Like, oh, you could see them is, oh, bounty hunters is not, hey, we believe in this cause. We're out this for the money. Yeah. 100% you see that. I wonder, though, what happened. Like, for example, I've heard the stories where they had a character that was kind of, this pushback rogue kind of character and it ultimately became saw

because Pablo Hidalgo was like, hey, we have a guy like that in canon. Now was that during the Gilroy phase or was that during the the Yareth Edwards phase? You know, because remember they did reshoots with him. He was younger shots, he was older than shots. Yeah, in the trailers we saw like you didn't have the hair

and he had crazy. Yeah. Like, there was a lot of different things. That's going to be, I think, one of those we'll never know for sure. I don't know. This guy keeps talking. We might know the whole thing.

I'm not allowed to say anything. But here's 13 paragraphs on. But what I did love and what I did take away from that, it's like, yeah, you're writing and I've got my microphone, and I'll just throw in lines of dialogue that will, I. What are she proposing? You know, Dan well, that was him. It's like, I got to have something here.

Something to throw it in there. But either way, I think it just confirms what we all knew. Yeah. Is that Tony Gilroy is, Tony Gilroy directed, the rogue one that we saw. Okay, so he's saying there, we had the movie. We went back and rewrote everything. So did they reshoot the movie? Or did he, is he directed it?

Did he, because there's always the saying. A movie's made three times when you write it, when you film it, when you edit it. So did he just really, the editing, that's where he's directing the film for the. That's what they said. Yeah, got so. They said that they shot in parts, they put in parts that didn't have the right dialogue that they were going to rewrite in the edit to show the actors. This is what I got from it. To show the actors what they want them to reshoot.

Yeah. And then re put that in. Well, here's the thing. If you watch films, It happens all the time. You can always... Have you ever watched a film? Did you see a movie?

It's like you can tell 100% reshoots. Yeah. You're like, oh, look at these wigs. Look at this, look at this. You can always tell a reshoot. I can't. We shot that whole tie fighter thing when she came over. Remember when she comes up and she's walking up in that tie fighter?

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, that's not there. But when I saw that, my thought was in watching the movie, is like, oh, they just shot extra stuff. It didn't work. Maybe. Maybe. So, but like, for me, you know, in a movie, especially with wigs.

You just, you're like, oh, God, this reshoot's awful because this actor was off filming something else. They cut their hair. Kelly McGillis. Wigling? Oh, God. Like, the worst one for me is Shane Black's predator. Okay.

Holy Christ. Boyd-Hawbrook. There's a shot of him. It's like, it's one, and then it cuts to a predator, and then he cuts back to him. It's insane. I'll post a picture for you guys. Holy Christ.

But either way, there's, what they did was they were able to save the movie, and I think it's, yeah, you can't tell. But I think it's the reason why Gil, Roy got this show. For sure. I think he might have come in with an idea, though. Like, maybe right when the movie was done or, like, when his heads are turning of where he wanted to go, he might have been like, hey, if we do this way, I see a series

coming with this. Right. So do you think Gilry came in? It's this band of mercenaries, bounty hunters, getting the deaf thing, and he's like, no one loves these characters. They're all bad guys. No, no, I think that it was. I'm just curious.

God, I love this stuff. Because I think a lot of that stuff was already, if you look, look at some of the things that were in there with Felicity Jones and the things that she was saying with I rebel and the way that I think there were certain things that he retouched right because there was some that she did the line I rebel that's not in there

the certain things that they put in there they changed up that the rhythm wasn't working the tone wasn't working things that they would add in again rumors was that Vader killed Cassian Vader killed yeah Jin Vader killed everybody and it was just

such a like they didn't really do anything and this way that they went the way that they do it here with in his version if this is his version they went on in their own terms yeah and i think that's more poetic i think it works over i think it shows the fact that if vader was the one to kill them it makes them i don't want to say more important than they are but to vader those they're just like and we see and the workers they're peons they're no one to him it's just these cogs they're trying to they're faceless rebels to him i know where if you're fighting vaders like oh these are the big moments where they're going to have their big stands like no he's up

they're taking care of those plans, which is important. Screw these people down there. I don't care who they are. Do you think that Gareth Edwards signed an NDA? Oh, 100%. Because he's, have you ever heard an interview with him at once? He doesn't want to, that's what I mean. He doesn't want to blackball himself.

Like, you come out and say, this is what happened, this is my film. He's not a big enough filmmaker to be able to do, like, like, look at Snyder. Look at Snyder. Look at Snyder. Look at Snyder. And what he went through and all, regardless of the changing this of that, there is a contingency of. executives that do not like that man now.

But he's still going to work. He's because he didn't backtalk it. He dropped things like, here's my Wonder Woman. But Zach Sander also had a pretty extensive resume in a lot of Sure. That's what I'm saying. That's I'm saying he's allowed to because he's got the cachet behind it. Gareth Edwards is just like, has, you haven't seen the guy. And he made a billion dollar movie.

You haven't seen it. Otherwise, Last Jedi. It pops up in Last Jedi. You would think he would go. The other was like, yeah, that's my movie. And lesser known production companies would be like, It's the guy that did Rogue One. Right.

Absolutely. Netflix. He hasn't used any of that stuff. I know. Where's he been? That's what I'm saying. He would be on Netflix making. Right.

Even if he hasn't leveraged it at all. That's what I'm saying. That's weird. It's weird. Yeah, because Ryan John's involved in that. If you got Netflix or all these new streaming shows popping up, the guy that made Rogue One wants to make a show with us? That's what I mean.

I do. Yes, I do. There's my resume. That's my film. It's one thing to say, okay, there was a couple of things that we had some issues for and everything to and they had to have some people come in. and I directed the movie and I made a billion dollars

as opposed to oh yeah the guy that they bring to they didn't even don't you think they would have brought the director and asked the director of Rogue 1 to do and or

and they don't or do you think this do you think this because this has happened before and you find out about it 10 years later do you think this soured him on the industry

he's like this experience I wanted to make movies as a kid I made this little monster movie it was great I got Godzilla did well I got Star Wars

and then to see this industry and how it's working and how it's taken away from me. He probably got bullied. That's what I'm saying. Do you think he says, do you think he's, it reminds me I read this phenomenal book on the two brothers. He does? What is it? True love. It's fantasy romance. The two brothers that made the movie. I'm sorry, Steph. David Washington, John David Washington,

Gemma Chan, Ralph Inson. Okay, great. Yeah, so it's, but it's, it's different with 20th century studios. We haven't heard a damn thing about it. No, not at all. But that's a great, that's a great cast. That's a big movie, but, but you haven't heard anything about it. Totally. And, but still, what was this?

So 2016 was Rogue 1. What movie did he do after that? Nothing. Nothing. It reminds me. That's bizarre. Other than what you said, Last Jedi a little bit. No, no, no.

But he was, it was a cast member, but directing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, facts, facts. That's bizarre. Totally. Totally. But it could be a sense of. I'm just happy because it is a little, like, this article is not looking good for, for Gareth. Yeah, right.

It just reminds me of, I read a lot about, I love you. You guys ever seen the movie Sky Captain in the World of Tomorrow? Yeah. Yeah, it's not good. So far ahead of its time, though, with green screen. Yeah, sure, sure. And those guys got invited to Lucasfilm Ranch with all the bigwigs to discuss effects. And they're like, what are we doing here?

Then the movie just got railroaded by the studio. They wanted to make it. They wanted it for like $9 million and black and white found footage type thing. And the studio's like, no, this is our new Spider-Man and this and that. And the guy after the experience is like, I'm done with Hollywood. I can't do this anymore. Took my life, my dream and turned in this. And he doesn't make movies anymore.

He didn't make movies 20 years. Well, I wouldn't. I mean, remember, that was their second movie out of the gate, too, Rogue One, right? So it was a huge hit. It was two billion-dollar movies back to back. So, and this was before all of the Lord Miller stuff and then we had, and then the Josh Trank stuff happened, but like all this. And then it started to get a little bit more. Like, they, the Rogue One one was the one where they actually kept contained and kept it quiet. Yeah.

Lord Miller, they couldn't do, like the other way. I mean, then they started losing people like flies left and right. was the beginning of it. But Garrett Edwards played ball. And I think that that's why you haven't heard a lot. And that's why this is the first article in what, six years that you've ever really heard about this, minus speculation. Anyway, pretty juicy details.

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