The Kristian Harloff Show - Andor Episodes 1-3 SPOILER Discussion I Star Wars

Episode Date: September 21, 2022

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What's up, everybody? Welcome. Sith Council, man, and it's Wednesday, and this is spoiler-heavy, and or episodes 1 through 3. I've seen four that we're, Steph saw four of them, but we're not going to spoil the fourth one. Don't worry. One through three, we will be spoiling those at great length. We'll talk about this show.

We do have Mikey Christmas with us. We do have Steph's braw with us, and we're going to be doing a full-on discussion. We'll talk about some of the other things. that Rogue Squadron movie is pretty much shot out of the water. We'll talk about that. Maybe. I don't know. We'll see what we can get to it.

But there's other things on, I was looking through Star Wars Newsnet that we'll talk about if we get to it. I might have a full on discussion about this thing. But I also wanted to thank you guys before we got started today. If you're brand new to the channel, by the way, and you haven't already done this. Do me favor and subscribe to nothing because I can't even get the freaking graphic out there. But there it is.

Subscribe. Help us out. Thank you so much. Trying to get the $70,000. by the end of the year, if we can do it. Apple Podcasts, Spotify. I want to thank, I'll be giving a big shout out to this guy, at least for today and tomorrow. Fernando, who's a friend of the show and a fan of the show, and he hooked my family up with passes to Disneyland yesterday.

And I can't thank him enough. We had a great time, and it was this passion that he had for just getting us in. It was a sweetheart of a guy, so I thank him very much. I'll also like to thank Gentle Giant, which you'll see in a moment. It's a lot of cool stuff, man. They send us a lot of cool stuff. And speaking of sending us cool stuff, you guys put up on an Amazon list, and there's hardly anything left on the list,

but people are still asking how do we help? Look at the list, the eye cards right there, the descriptions in there. But the idea was September 1st, so we were just going to get a couple things for the studio to help out the studio and build it out, make it look a little better than it was. And I said, we'll put some stuff on there. If anybody wants to help out, they can.

and thinking people get us a thing here and there. And within days, I mean, Kalinowski came in today. Is that all the stuff that came in? I was like, yeah, I mean, he said, holy shit. And we still have boxes everywhere, and we're trying to put things together. And so thank you guys so much. If you contributed, if you didn't contribute, I'll like, a comment, anything helps. But for those people who put in their hard-earned cash to send us stuff, we thank you so much.

All right. Let's get to it. It's Sith Council. Let's do the show. What's up, everybody? back, Sith Council. Garth Sabraa is here. Hello. Happy Time Jones is here.

Happy Time Jones. I love that. You like that one, right? There's a little space behind my head. I think someone else should go there. I think someone else should go there. I'm trying to fix this. There you go. Are you a little blurry? I feel like you're a little blurry. Is he? No, it looks good. No, it's fine. Camera does like you. I hate to say it, but the camera does like you, Mike Allen. Me? Yeah.

Oh. There he is. Look at that shot. How great is that shot? How great is that shot? That's a great shot. Look at that. Yeah, I came in today and I thought, wouldn't you start your only fans account over here with all this stuff going on here? Angles. It's great. So it's, look, we're excited about. We actually shot an episode of a big thing that stuff's going to be on. And we were saying before, like, all the cool stuff. I mean, look at, look at Bruce Lee head in the back there. Storm shadows awesome. Snowm shadows awesome. Gentle Giant said that that stuff. We got something for Katie. I just told, they sent an extra one of those, uh,

Cane and Jaris ones for. That's, this, that's right. That's right. That's right. And then look at Mike, up top there by the blue rays. So that cowbell? What cowbell? So someone in the comments section said that the studio looked great, but it wasn't complete because it needs more cowbell. And I said, I will put that on the Amazon list. And within 15 minutes, someone bought it and sent it.

It was amazing. Anyway, so we got Pennywise up there. We got Logan. The Logan and the Storm Shadow are my two favorites. Yeah, that's great. They're really, really good. Nothing against Darth Vader and the rest of the crew on the Sith Council. but now.

All right, let's talk about Andorkees. Let's talk. We've got to talk about this show. This show is absolutely incredible. And so my opinion on the show is this. Mandalorian, it's still my favorite because it has more episodes to show. One, two seasons so far, just, it has a lot of Easter egg stuff, and it's got a lot of lore and things that I think that relate to the overall franchise, and I love it.

There's, to me, no argument that Andor is the best. written Star Wars television show, if not Star Wars, new era, Lucasfilm, Disney partnership thus far. Steph, how do you feel about that statement? Yeah, I agree. I think it's like a detailed and focused rollout of what could possibly be an incredible series, like a masterful series on what it's trying to accomplish.

Now, I'm going to go two ways on how I feel. Mike, this seems to me on everything that we've talked about of what you wanted from Star Wars. This seems to be the show, and it's more mature. Yeah. It is better written. It has thus far. No cute, no.

Oh, no, go there yet. No lightsabers. Let me say that. Not a single lightsaber, not a single Sith, not a single Jedi, not a single, may the force be with you. And do you love this show? Hold on. Uh-oh. No, no, no, no.

I, my idea of what the show was as what the first three episodes is, is completely different now. I was expecting we were in the rebellion. He's a spy. Right. And we haven't gotten there yet. And it's not even that. So my expectations after the,

after first two episodes last night, I was just like, everyone is hyping this. I got to be a long for the ride, but these first two, ooh, this is not from, this is going,

we got to get some, we need something. You need to pupeu. No. You need a, I just, I just like, boom.

Then I was like, wait a minute, they did three at once. Yeah. I knew exactly what they, they knew. If they dropped one, they would have been eviscerated.

If they would have just dropped one episode, they would have been eviscerated. Someone, one of the views said, Tony Gilroy doesn't know how to write for television, and I agree. This show, it's a movie. You think those three episodes feel like a movie. Yeah. A lot of people say that. And again, that's not his fault.

They're streaming is what it is, and it's the world we're living in now, where they're telling a 12-hour movie. And I know we debate this back and forth. Sheealk, episodic television. Yes. But this is like, okay. But that said, it's gorgeous. It is the most beautiful, like, I love the volume, and I love what it does, but you just tell they're like in England.

Night and day. It's unreal how good this show looks. And the fact that there was not a lightsaber, not I made the force, you know, when the one sent him off and this and that, YOLA, you can make the false be with you. None of that. And I loved it. Yeah. I'm so torn.

See, I'm not torn at all because I think, no, I love it. This is a show. What I thought that this show did so well. Yeah. Within the first half an hour or third. I can understand where people would say, you're not the only person that has said that the first three episodes feels like a long movie. And I think that's intended, though, even though it's broken up.

Yeah. That's why they're doing these three episode arcs. Are we going to get three every week? That's what it's, no, no, no, no. Okay. Three episode arcs, meaning, like, if you notice, like this particular episode really had to do with and or going in, he kills those dudes, which looks very Blade Runner-esque, which I love. So, that's exactly what I said when it opened.

It felt very bled. They run arrest, but then going, and I agree with this, but I like this. I was like, well, where is he as far as when they open up? I'm like, is he already in the rebellion? Right. But is he a spy? What is he? And then when he gets himself into that shit.

That stuff, sorry. When he gets himself into that stuff, I'm going, oh, wait, he's just kind of on the run right now. This is how he gets recruited. And I'm like, I'm all, I'm here for that. I wasn't sure, like, because he's looking for stuff. He's looking for people, which is how we meet him. in Rogue 1. So my brain is like, oh, he's doing what he does.

Right. And in Rogue 1, they say he's been doing this since he was six. So that's a little, they're taking some liberties now because he wasn't in the rebellion since he was six. He's been doing this. He said he's been in the fight since he was six. Right, but he's not fighting any. It seems like he's just surviving.

Like, he's stealing stuff off of smoking ships. We don't know. We don't know. But that's a great conversation note to have. And you might not be wrong because here's the question that I did have, and I did my watch longs to it. This is what I could see Tony Gilroy saying. Oh, so Tony, in that book that we have,

it says that his parents were separatists, Tony throws the book behind his back and says, No, that doesn't mean anything. Exactly. Which is possible because they didn't look like separatists. They looked like they were just kind of people on this planet that were trying to survive, very similar like, you know, the Native Americans.

And so that's what it seemed like. but we don't know how they got there. Sure. We don't know if his parents were separatists. We don't know if, we don't know if maybe his particular, um, uh, tribe was formed with the separatists.

And that's why they're fighting against. That was, that was the republic that they were fighting against. Yeah. And we only know that because of the symbol. Because, and what they see. In the ship.

Yeah, right, right. So. And they were all kids, though. My interpretation was that their parents were separatists, all of their kids. And they had died.

Yeah. And they're now like on this, um, Like, what's the movie where kids have to rule? Lord of the Flies? Yeah, that's what it felt like. Yeah. But again, I would like that if that turns out to be in.

Not even a stormtrooper and didn't miss it at all. I know a lot of people are saying this doesn't feel like Star Wars, but it does. And I think that's why it does. But I'll say this, because I don't want you to think I don't like it. Like infinitely better than Boba and Obi-Wan with only three episodes. Mando is still up there. It's just smart television. Yeah, it's just smart television.

And I know a lot of people are like, oh, I don't want to hear people talk about it. riddy or dark. Those are just kind of catch words that we can use because it's the nuance isn't there, but it does, like Blade Runner. It's got that. But it's not, but it's not too lost in science fiction that it doesn't become Star Wars anymore. It's like, so that's when it opened up. I was like, okay, that works great. And then I love the idea because it did fool me as well. I'm like, oh, I felt the same way you did. Mike. I said, okay, this is him on one of his missions like we saw. But then when it was like, no, no, no, he's just scrapping and trying to survive and doing this thing right now. He's not involved in anything. He's got no purpose and he's lost.

Yeah. I'm like, that, I think already, like, and I love Rogue One. We've all talked about. Rogue One to me is my favorite Star Wars movie of the Lucas Film era, of the Disney Lucas Film era. Easily. This, to me, and I always, like, I love Diego Luna. Andor is a developed character in Rogue One, but he's not, like, overly developed.

He's developed. Yeah. He's way more developed than this show in three episodes already like that to where I, I know more about him, I care more about him than I did. And it's also from brilliant performance. is by a lot of different people, but Diego Loon obviously, in particular stuff.

Yeah, he's unbelievable. The cast in general brings a levity to that, to the screen that's incredible. And then, like, finally, I can't not talk about this. The dialogue was so,

it's like exactly what I've been waiting for. I'm like, actual real conversations about how genocidal fascism can take over, how the people are the ones who suffer, and how that actually an uprising can occur. And that's also what,

drives me nuts over people going, oh, why does it get it so political that they're doing that now? George Lucas based this off of Hitler and fascism and all that stuff that happened. And not just Hitler, though, by the way. It was, it was a lot of different regimes in general. So it's like, it's a statement on how this can happen anywhere, anywhere in, in human culture in general. So that's why I thought it was more relevant. Yeah. And the Diego Lugo point, Diego Luna point. I was not a fan of his in Rogue One. It seemed kind of,

I don't know if he was strong enough for whatnot. So going into this, I was not, like, I was like, I don't really care for the character of him. I'm more for the world. But over the three episodes,

after that third episode, I was like, he won me over. Right. He won me over. 100%. He's kind of a dick in Rogue One. He's a scoundrel kind of, too.

In a certain bit, he's stealing stuff. But in these three, in these three, him as an actor, won me over. Absolutely. Oh, I always liked,

I always liked Diego Lunas, but, but I, not outside of Star Wars. I'm saying with him in the role. Yes, in the role. To me, Cassian won me over, but yes.

Skell and Scars Guard, by the way. Ooh. Now, he in general is a phenomenal actor, and he's always great. Yeah. Goodwill hunting,

whatever, the Marvel movies, whatever. This character is awesome. Yeah. And I don't want to spoil. I know. It's episode four,

like, I haven't seen an episode. I'm not going to spoil for me. Like, we're going to, we're going to, We're going to spoil top gun for me. I've never spoiled anything on this show.

All I'm going to say is though that, like, I remember finishing it and being, episode three and being like, I really hope four keeps it going. And it does that and more and with the characters. So you're like, damn. But like Scars Guard, he is so good. So good. And him and Diego together, it's just unbelievable. Because they drop that scene of them in like that Boulder area where they all,

where all the action ensued on Disney Plus. on before Disney Plus Day and it was I was like damn okay we're in for a tree but then there's so much more they dropped the scene with all the things falling without the episode yeah why would they do that see I didn't watch it I don't watch any of that stuff oh that was dangerous all of that stuff was great and the way that he ultimately is it looks like he's becoming the guy who who's recruiting him right to the rebellion right and you look at that in that scene and that's when step goes back and says how great the dialogue is the dialogue in that scene and this is what I will say say. For people who are saying that the episodes are too short, episodes one and two,

and the first three are short, right? I don't disagree with you, and I think it goes back to Mike's part, Mike's point before that it kind of, that essentially it's an hour and a half movie. It is. Yeah. However, in those 30-minute episodes or 32-minute episodes, the difference between a 32 or 35-minute episode of Andor that I've seen so far and And Boba Fett or Canobi, what they're able to cram in in 35 minutes and how much detail and dialogue and backstory. They don't throw it away on mindless action. I'd rather have a story that combines so much detail into character and backstory and emotion than some BS fight or blaster match just because we have to appease the action eye. Perfect example.

Every single character we've met so far on Andor. From the bad guys to the good guys. Memorable. We know every, we know them, we're invested with them. Like the Vespa gang. Vespa gang. We didn't even know how two of the four members were. Right.

But it was a cool, shiny thing. They were a throwaway. This is like, like I care of my friends. I couldn't figure where I knew this guy. He's not the police general that's causes it. It's his like blusterous guy. That guy's awesome. You know where he's from?

Where? Wizard of Oz. The Batman. He's like, you tell me he's involved at this? He's the, he's the, the, the, the, the second in charge. The second, the lieutenant, the police lieutenant in the Batman. Okay, so. He's like, his voice.

You're talking about the guy that, who's like, he's the big guy's like, who basically tells him, good job, sir. Yeah. That guy, that guy's so good. And I love the way that they use a lot of the weather, it's the Scottish accent, whatever it is, because that's what happened the original Star Wars. Hold on. You hit the point right there, I wanted to say. Yeah. Everyone in this, it filmed in London, right?

It had to have been. Because everyone is some kind of English accent. And I love it. European. European, European, because that was my problem with the new sequel. Like, all the Imperial officers, they're like American guys. Like, sir, they're coming up on it's like, and it just doesn't hit his mind. The bad guy's got to have that regalness about him.

It just, it's a Star Wars thing that you can't explain. It just elevates the material. Yeah. It just does. And I say that as a dumb American. No, every character is, that is like the point of the show that I loved is like every character mattered and was unique. And in terms of the glorified security officers, I love that arc because it's not just so simple

that it's just stormtroopers. No. Like these are like corporations are paying for these security guards who like are overly important to themselves. Yes. He just tailored his outfit. Yeah, like so like they didn't do the work to become anything important and they think they're important.

And you know what I loved about that also though is that because he got mustache Magoo, the guy with the white mustache, right? He's, but why? Why? I got Mike. The big guy, the walrus at the beginning, he's like, I have to go give a speech. You know what I want?

I love him. Do you know why I love him? That speech was awesome. Because he's not stupid. No. They could have made that character a moron. Moustache Magoo. Yeah, but they could have made him a moron.

And most of the shows that they've been making, he would have been a moron going, no, blah, blah, blah, blah. And saying, Instead of, no, what happened was these idiots pissed off somebody they shouldn't have pissed off and they killed them. Stay out of it. Leave it alone. Leave it alone.

And then, you know, Dollar Store Sam Whitworth says, no, no, no, I'm going to invest it, by the way. And I say that, I say that as far as his look. Yeah. His actual performance was great. The bad guy. He's great. He's going to be forced choked by Vader by episode 12. He might.

Watch. Because he won't stop. He'll go up the ranks. Yeah. And then he's going to be forced choked by Vader. Maybe. Maybe so, but anyway, he is, he's really good. He's great.

Nope. I took the joke just to, to, no, no, no, but he's good. But the other one that we have to talk about. I know who you're going to say, I'm going to talk about Adriah, Arjona. Vicks. So I love to, she was, to me, even though Matt Smith and Jared Litterer are goofing around having fun in Morbius, and it's a bad movie, I didn't see it. She is the best part of that movie.

She is. She's the love interest. But that movie's horrendous. It's a bad movie. She stands out. And I remember seeing that, and she's a very attractive woman, but she's just a very good actress. And I remember saying, that movie's not good, but she's good.

She's real good. And then they announced her in Andor, and I was like, good. She deserves something good. And she shines in this show. I'm glad I kind of was outside of the sphere of trying to find out information about the show. Because watching her, like, she's new to you. Yeah, I'm going to steal a line from Alden, Dias, tweet out today. He's like the era of the space daddy is over.

It's the space mommy now. I like that. Space poppy. He said, because everyone's with Diego Luna and Pedro Bascals. Like, no, finally,

he's like, she was, phenomenal. But you know what it is also too? And it's like for stupid people who say, oh, they're just casting because of this. They're casting because of quota.

They're casting this. But they cast here in pure talent also, right? Because these characters were so fleshed out. And so, And I think that that's where you're going to see less of that from people, though, too, because I think that the characters, people are just going to respond to them, right? She's so good in this role. And they tell you so much about their relationship without saying anything.

Without telling you anything. You know that they had a thing. Yeah. They had a thing. But now he's off. She cares. And how about that rat? Snitches get stitches.

Snitches get stitches. But Steph, you got to understand. And I'm sure, Steph, you've had that guy in your life. I'm sure you have that, you know, wants your affection and you kind of, you don't lead him on, but you're, you know, like, we know that guy. He's not, he's not friends on because he's, he's, he's, he's in the dance. Yeah. But it's just, she did the kiss.

She went for the little, but he made. He's seen his place. A little, the dude had it. He had it. Insecure. Blew it. Paranoid. Absolutely blew the back.

Like, uh, to quote, uh, a good friend. You blew it. You blew it. You had it and you blew it. Absolutely blew it. He had it. She's like, she's coming over to stay over his place.

Asked for coffee in the morning. And she's defending, and she's defending him to, to Andor. Yeah. But she cares about Andor a lot. Yeah. And he rats them out like a jealous skunk.

But what was weird is too, Andor, may I use your arm for sex stuff? You know, he put his hand there and she used it off. But do it while you're asking. I knew I was going to get the approval. Where she then took his hand off at that one scene,

but they hit the bar together. Yeah, but then he left before he could see that because he was, He's being paranoid. He wasn't paying attention. Insecurity is so unattracted. We know that person. We all have seen that.

Oh, I'm not, I'm saying it was a great character moment because I'm watching. If you watch, I'm watching the, uh, the episode, I'm going,

no, he cares too. He's not a bad guy. He's not a bad guy. And as Steph said, he gets, he gets whacked because of it. And those guys don't give a crap that he just killed this dude.

And that was a good plot point though. Like they ended up using, it wasn't a throwaway character scene. Like, even though. it's like, oh God, it's you who did that. It could have been another person too. Like I forget who I was thinking it might have been also.

But the fact, oh, the woman who worked at the brothel first, she could have identified him about because he was asking questions. So there was also that. But then when they shot him, you could really see like, oh, my God, these security officers have no idea what they're doing. They just shoot without asking. Chaos. And also goes back to her and how good she is in that scene.

Like she was mad at him, legit mad. but she loved him. And she was devastated that that happened. And that whole moment that would have. And then this is why this show plays more into the mature side of it. Like they could have in another Star Wars show, they could have just not had her. She's bloody that added to the scene.

And it wasn't gratuitous. It added to the scene. And you feel like, oh, wow, this is like, this is raw. This is a problem right now. This is to show how scary the empire. And this isn't the empire. I know. The influence of the empire.

is how scary that is and then when you actually do show to the the Empire side of it how much are they showing the Empire further? I just know they have the box that he's got with the Imperial logo they're trying to get that The Empire's not shown up in anything I've seen

Okay so they lead up to it And again this is why... No, it's common But this is why I say that the episodes 1, 2, and 3 and then I think it's 4, 5, and 6 have like their own arc that plays It's not separate

You've seen the 6 already? I saw 4. You saw 4. But what they, but I, I remember at Celebration when... Why did they do that for you guys? Why didn't they just give you three? Hey, I ain't complaining.

But I remember at Celebration when Gilroy came out and he talked about, well, first if he said he wanted to do three seasons and Diego Luna's like, well, I only signed up for two. His, he was so... He was at a butt. Yeah. But it was, they did say, though, that it was going to be like one, two, three, one, two, three, like story arcs where they were going to play it. And I think that works really, really well.

Yeah. I think they needed to do it that way in hindsight. especially because I've seen for because there's a lot of nuance and they're like introducing parts of the empire that aren't just like, oh, this is the empire, the big bad, like there's actual divisions in it that make sense to the story. It was the thing I was telling you, and again, I'm out spoiling anything. The thing that I said, I need to see in this series is I'm like, is I need to see the empire side of it and I need to see the human side of the empire and the politics within

the empire and you get that in more, as I'll say. But what I will also say is that what I think that this show has done well in all four episodes, but the spoiler points from one and three. So even though I love the Luke Skywalker episode and Mandalorian episode of Boba Fett, those were essentially called Mandalorian 2.5 or whatever it was, right? And deservedly so. There is those episodes that don't focus on the main character of the show called Boba Fett. This series is about and or, and I said,

I don't know if I want the whole thing about it, and I'm going to do. Yeah. And the other side is when they jump to another story point, whether it's a girl or anybody else too, even what's her face from, help me, Mike, the... Oh, Fiona Shaw? Yes, Fiona Shaw.

So when they jump to her in the way that that all plays out, it's relevant. It's relevant to all of it. And it shows you the good writing of the balance of it all. They, the editing of episode three, cutting between his story and present day and his story, was fantastic. Because sometimes it seems like it's a trope. And the flashbacks, I was getting a little, by episode two, is like, all right, I see what they're doing. But by three, the way they intercut it and built it like, okay, this life is over.

This is his new life going forward. It's a beginning. It's a beginning. It got me. It's great symbolism. Yeah, they've great job on that. All together. And what it's made me realize, though, the more and more, like, as you see, we've talked about this.

And I don't, I'm not taking shots at Garrett Edwards, but you can just tell very much so that Rogue One is Tony Gilroy's movie. It's his. And the reason why, well, I don't know, I don't know. They still give him credit. Where's he been? You direct a billion-dollar movie and then you just disappear. That doesn't happen.

He doesn't, yeah, he doesn't happen. He either said, this is too much for me or anything, too. But what I will tell you that, Mike, I say from now on, especially because there was a report that Tony Gilroy got his own series now with Star Wars, and he's doing more in a development deal on it. And we don't know if it's true or not. But what I will say is you've got to bet on Tony Gilroy now, right? And you also, if you're going to bet, you've got to use my bookie.

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Some people, it delivered. All right, moving back over to Andorne, finishing, you know, well, it's a lot of that we can talk about. How about Pisspot? I love Pisspot. I know that I said on my review, the problem is I love this new droid. Yeah. But in my reaction, I saw him get pissed on by one of those pigs or whatever they were.

And I said, that's Pispot. And I call it, and a poor thing, I just call him Pispot now. But Pispot's funny. When his first shot when he came in, I was like, oh, my God, Wally. This is so Wally. Oh, yeah, it is. Oh, yeah. It's very, like, the whole scene with, like, the whole trash scene.

And he's, like, picking up. So, it was so cute. I love that guy. Pisspot's great. She put some respect on his name. He is. He's so cute. Pibot.

Pibot. Pibot. But he's, he's, um, yeah, I think, uh, he's, he's great in his delivery. is great, it's like dry. But that's the other thing. People were saying as far Star Wars humor goes, like you don't like any comedy in Star Wars. Incorrect.

I love Star Wars humor when it's relevant, and it feels like it's earned. Or if they would have started cracking jokes, this is what would have had the difference between some of the shows now with Marvel and even some of the Star Wars shows, as opposed to this. Scars Guard and or in that battle when they're trying to get the hell out of there.

in that whole big action scene. In other shows, there's a couple of jokes thrown out in there, you know, like, stick around, boom, that type of stuff, whatever it might be, sillyness. You can't have that in a moment like that because it attracts it. However, when PissBot starts throwing out these lines, and it's funny, and you're like, okay, that I buy into it. Yeah.

I buy into it. And that's the type of humor. Now, this isn't going to be a knee-slapper. This isn't going to be one of those things. And there's some Star Wars shows or movies that call for human, and the characters can be funnier. Yeah. This one, Pisspot is the comic relief.

Yeah, I think they balance comedy in this, the four episodes, the three episodes, really well. We're at the end. I was like, okay, that's exactly the balance I like in Star Wars. Not always, but like right now, this feels like the sweet spot. It does. And that's why someone said to me, do you like this better than Mandalorian? Like I said, this, Manilurian has two seasons.

Yeah, it's like Nanda. And they're different tones, but this is, this is, I just, I'm very excited about, the idea, to me, this is easily the most mature Star Wars that we've gotten so far. And your attention span has to be really locked in in order to enjoy the show. Yeah, I think that's what I would say to someone, if they'd ask me my favorite. Because like, Mandalorian, I could take one episode and just watch the heck out of it over and over again. This I can't do. I can't pick.

I'm going to watch episode two of Andor. This is, right, you'd be jumping into the middle of the thing. And that's, so it's tough to say. Yeah. I'm curious, though, because I think he did for all three. It was the same director. If we're doing these in three blocks, they're kind of saying, are they one director to get three chunks?

I don't know. I'm curious. Well, I know that the other, as far as how it's written, Tony Gilroy, I think, wrote the first two or three, and then his brother wrote four. Dan? I think so. I can't remember.

Yeah, I think it's false. Either way. I think they go back and forth with writing them, though, too. It just, this is the thing is that Tony Gilroy is not a massive Star Wars fan. He is a major fan of this story and this story. and this time period and the overall of what is happening. So that's another difference, right? Like a lot of times they say like, okay,

if someone's not a big Star Wars fan and they don't get the, then why the hell are they making it? And I still feel that way. Yeah. But it's different if someone's like known, but I really believe in this. And I'm still going to learn about it now. I don't know if he's going to change up the separatist stuff

and throw the book behind his shoulder like he said. He might not. But he's added Sawgarer in there when I asked him to. I'm going to say this. Because, and I get a lot of flack for this, Gilroy was responsible for the born legacy. Yes. And I love that movie.

It didn't disregard anything that came before it. It embraced that world and built it out more. Oh, the one with Renner. Renner. Yeah. So he didn't, he's like, did you direct that one? Yeah. And he's not like, uh, they're doing other stuff with Treadstone and I make my own thing.

They incorporated it incredibly well. Yeah, it did. And this film, it was just star power. Like, Jeremy Renner has has power. Yeah, of course. People didn't have, people want to dame it. Yeah. But I feel very similar.

with this series in that movie. And I love that. It's like the spy stuff will get there. We've seen it in the trailers. It's there for me. It's there for me, man. Like the idea of like the, and just how they're starting to set it up. Like, yeah.

I like that we didn't get thrown into it because it's five years beforehand and the idea of how he is getting involved. And I think going back to what you said, as far as I've been in this since I was, he's been on the run. He's been fighting all of his life. He's been doing this. We don't know necessarily. He never, he never used the words. We assumed it was against. He said, I've been doing this.

I've been fighting. I've been in this fight since I've been saying. And that's the point is that you don't have a choice when you have an oppressive regime over. But I'm curious because he's saying it to Ray. And now, not right to Ray, to Jin. And now seeing Jin and what we've seen in Van Dorr, very similar upbringings. Yeah. Off on their own, kind of doing their own thing.

I think that's why he's probably why he responds to her, you know. By the end of the series, it's going to be interesting to see if what Gilroy did, if he took the book and was like, nah. I don't think. Well, I mean, the book itself, that's just one throwaway type of thing. Not throwaway, shouldn't say that, but it's a major point of information, actually. But it's the line itself, it's where his parents were separatists, and that's kind of growing up. And I wonder, I'd love to hear if they paid attention to, because what I've heard is that there's not a lot of, I don't want to say merit, but there's not, like, they're not as beholden to the books and the comics as people want them to be, right?

they are more so like TV and and film like they even though sometimes that even gets negated to but but they but it's all that to them to me what what I hear is that it's to them that's the canon like phlone ain't going back and really caring whether or not he messes around some lords of the Sith lore or anything too which I get bumped about right but I can't imagine if he if he doesn't care I can't imagine that Tony Kilroy cares at all yeah yeah it's almost like we're telling the story. It's so good. But it's kind of twisting what was said before. It's like, yeah. And if we go down that right, it's not as strong a story.

He's like, all right. We don't need to deal with that. But like you just said, and I didn't realize that. I'm glad I didn't. Like, I didn't realize until I saw a poster recently and I looked good at the poster that saws in this. Oh, yeah, he's in the trailer. I, like, I don't know if I'm just trying to stay. I've stopped watching trailers and stuff because I want to go in fresh. But I was like, oh, that's fantastic. Yeah.

And I'm sure that the men. mentions in the way that's but that again I do like how they how they are able to mention certain things that happen without hammering you over the head with it also and I like the idea of the the security system again who's really influenced and wants to pay a favor with the empire right that's really running this down and and the only thing I didn't love by the way is the I didn't love the speech when our guy the main villain right now is giving a speech and then there's guys yawn and in the middle of his speech and like you know do that to me was starting to venture down that humor that I don't like.

I didn't find that necessarily as humor as much as like he has no idea what he's doing. Yes. That was the point. No doubt. But they were trying to get like a couple of, oh, they're really not taking this guy. But I think the guy also,

the guys that are with him, were like, what are we doing? We got to go to this planet to do what? 100%. Because they just want to clock in and clock out. Oh my God. The moment.

Clock and clock out. Why the moment was there? Yeah. Understandable. Right. It was, that was the only part of the entire three episodes that I saw that I went, I didn't love the way it was directed. Okay.

It felt a little like, kind of like, they really don't take this guy serious. Oh, yeah. And I'm like, just show that you don't. Yeah, you could do it in a way. It was just like, hey, it was, that was the whole, that was the only time. Yeah, I get you. The majority of the series, what I feel is this is what I really like about the series. It, it, it asks the audience, like, it treats the audience as if it's, it's

intelligent audience watching it. The entire time, it's like, this is, this is a, this is a. We trust in you guys to really understand what the hell's going on here and to listen to the dialogue. And it was the only time in that whole thing where it was just like, let's let them really know that they don't think that this guy's got what it takes. And it's like, that was the only moment. That was it. To your point, and I think it, because I'm still trying to figure out like, what was he doing on that one ship in the junkyard where the guy's like, ah, you're done. No more.

Get out of here. Like, but they don't spoon feed us what's going on. Right. Right. So we're still, so I, and it's a little bit of like, oh, you've got to pay attention. You can't be having this on in the background and talking. No, this is really got a lot in. I love a show.

I love that they respect the audience enough to say we, we think that you'll be able to, you'll lock in. We trust you enough that you'll lock into it. And you don't want to just go, oh, look at the pretty colors. So people, I saw one thing with people like, all right, join us tonight. We're going to do a watch along. I was like, no. I would never want to do a watch along to this show with people talking everything. This is a show is like, you don't want to watch my videos.

The second watch. You did a watch along with this? I did my reaction to it. I did my reaction to it, yeah, when I was watching it because I found my, because of what I did, I did my reaction. But do people watch that the first time they're watching it? I hope not. No, you go back and you watch it again, you pick up more stuff.

Right, right, right. Absolutely. Yeah, no, no, no, you don't, I would never want anybody to watch along with me watching the first time. Not this show. That's why it's cut, it's cut down, nerd chronic edits them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's like, he cuts him to like nine or ten minutes just to so the moments that I kind of react

off of the most. So, yeah, I agree with you. I wouldn't want to watch that the first, because I am legit, just kind of watching it and like, like, like, you see me name him piss spot for the first time.

When he comes down, I go, oh, they did a pig just pissed on the, on the droid. There were, there were, there were a couple times in the,

I think the first, second episode where I went to my phone for something. And I was like, oh, I just missed something important. Damn it. And I had to rewind. But like Bobafet, I'm on my phone,

I'm on the computer. Like this, you can't do that. And I love, it's forced me, it's forced me to go, oh, I have to pay attention to this now.

And as much as I don't, and I don't mind Bobafat. No. And I don't mind, Obi-Wan's fine, but they are dumbed down. When you compare them to this show, they are dumbed down significantly.

And this is a benefit that this show has over those other shows and where I still think that, you know, it sucks for the, for Obi-Wan where, and I'm one of these people that still thinks it was crucial to have some of the original music in there. I know some people don't agree.

They, oh, it could stand on its own. I think you need it because in the past you've heard certain themes with Obi-1, whether there's some prequels or anything else too, and you saw how much more powerful, in my opinion, that it was when the Duel of Fates were playing when they were fighting in fan cuts than it was without the other stuff. Now, the difference with this show is it doesn't really have anything. You don't, someone's like, oh, there's no Star Wars theme.

You don't need it. No. You don't need it for this. The composer of this series is next-level good. Like, I don't, I forget, the composer's name. I'll find it in a second. There was some interesting stuff when they showed like, I want to say it was either the market area

or the main strip area that was like some style of music that I've never heard in Star Wars before. It was like rock music. Yeah, yeah. That was what it was. It was like full on drumming. But my favorite part of, I think the three episodes, whoopsies, was when

they're like, they've landed on the planet to come get Cassian and they have his mom like held up and the entire town starts banging. Oh, so good. I'm like, so good. And then she's like, you hear that?

Sound of a reckoning. I was like, damn. And they said it's even worse. And it's even worse when it stops. Yeah. That was that whole thing of the way the unity of that whole town and all that was put together so well. And I called that guy the funky DJ because he was like when he was going up just

normally going and then they were going nuts banging on the pipes and the pots. I was like, imagine that's your job. Every morning you wake up and you're about to throw down a beat for the entire city. With pots and pans and everything. Yeah, it was like pointless, but so important. So that scene, but that, you know, but that scene was. It was subtle and not subtle at the same time.

Yeah. You know what I mean? It's like, how can banging on pots and pans be subtle? And it's like, because they don't need the big alarms and the big, and it cost you nothing. It's a sound. Yeah, and it shows you that the people, like, although they've been complacent and quiet for this time that you've been here,

they all hate you. Yeah. They all don't have, they do not have with you and they will let people know because they're for the people. People who are asking, I think at one point, because I forget when the budget came out, I think this, this show costs more than Obi-Won does, I think, from what I heard. Makes sense. It makes sense. It makes sense. It makes sense.

Yeah. It does. This looks very cinematic. Now, I was supposed to go to, they had a, they had a screening of the first three episodes at the L-Capitan last week. Yeah. I wasn't feeling well. I didn't go, but I was,

and I already had seen them, but I was bummed because I, I think that this one would really play on the big screen. I think this would really, we got a chance to watch Obi-1 and one and two on the big screen, and it'll look good. Yeah. But this looks cinematic.

It's just, I don't know if it's the fact that here in Central, or South Cal, with Boba, Mando, and the volume and everything. Obi-1 was the first time I really saw the limitations of the volume. Like the running scenes and you're just like, okay, they're working with what they have. So they're like they have limited space to run and they've got to,

like the cuts made, didn't make sense when they were running during things. And this, they created that entire town and you knew exactly the location of your action. You knew where they were in relation to each other. There was never any guessing of what, did he just turn down there? What,

where is this in relation to that scene? It just, it's, I mean, it's location for me. And I shouldn't say this. No, you love, you guys do love the Eternals. And I will give that props because they went on location and she had said,

I want to shoot this on location. If I was like, go for it. And it does give them, we incredible feel. Thor looks really fake. It looks like you're in this room. Yeah. But, you know, it does make me realize, even though we've been very vocal, Mike, that we're on a disagreement when it comes

to lightsabers and Star Wars. But I will say this though. I know, I would be so curious, though. Not in this, not in this series person. but I am so curious to see what a Tony Gilroy written lightsaber fight would look like. Like, you know, meaning, like, imagine what a lightsaber fight would look like in Andor.

Because to me, the most attractive part of Star Wars is that I feel like, and we've talked about this many times, when it feels lived and when it feels real, like it feels like I'm not, like I'm being invited into a window into a place that something really happened. Right. The last few things have seemed very, like, whether it's, like, fake, or not as far as quality goes.

But I mean, even like, just to be, oh, I'm watching a Star Wars television show. Yeah. And I'm watching. This feels like I'm watching a political thriller in another galaxy. And like it all feels real. Like the characters feel real. It's like, you know, the stakes feel real. And I think, I mean, I don't know.

I can't put my finger on what it is about it. I can't. It just feels. Yeah. It feels real. It feels real. The biggest stick out to me was always an Obi-1 is that rooftop chase battle with the lizard man.

That's a great example. I know that, look, and that's an aliens, right? So let's talk about aliens. Yeah. Because you guys know how much I hate when aliens speak basic. Yeah. It worked for me in this. That big guy.

It worked. You just told me I got to stand here. I don't know why it worked. I know. But it worked. It just did. It worked. But then you've got in Obi-One, that alligator like, I got, right.

He's like two hulking monsters. It's bizarre. Two guys in suits. Yeah. One worked. One did it. It's bizarre. And I don't know why.

It's the same. I think it's the same answer because it felt real. And it felt and whatever the voice or whatever it was to, it felt real. Like that whole thing of just like, why are you working with this guy? Tell me, I just had to stand here.

And then he leaves and he's just like. And it was it. And that was part of, again, the humor that I felt worked. And it worked because it wasn't just, it was like, ha. It was more,

it wasn't that kind of over your head. Like we got it. It's time for a joke. It was no. This is what the character. The character's, I don't know. The guy wanted me to make you feel intimidated.

Yeah, I'm a big guy. I'm a big dude I'm saying, I don't want to be here. And I got that. And I said it to my reaction, I'm like, I don't mind that he's speaking basic. Right. It worked. It's not to say that he, it just feels like the other ones when they're speaking basic,

it feels like they don't know another language. Like, Lady Proxom. There's no reason. Oh, solo. What are you doing there, guy? Oh, you got your girlfriend? What are we doing? Hey, everybody got him.

It's like, how much more intimidating? Oh, so what's dumb to do. You're like, oh, stop that. I'm scared. Because I felt like she would do that to intimidate. This guy didn't need to intimidate. He's just talking to his buddies and basic. He knows basic.

He'll talk basic. Love that. And I love that. And I think that goes to your question, Mike, is that because I believed it. I believe that it was set up. And that's why I said with the lightsabers is that I'd want to see what he would do. And it's not even him anymore, Steph. It's the question of if this show gets the kind of critical response.

And it does. I wonder what's going to do on Disney Plus. I don't think it's going to do the kind of ratings that Obi-1. No. But I think it's going to do well enough. The question is, do you think that they would start to approach more Star Wars shows in this vein?

Because can you imagine if Obi-1 was approached this particular way? Wait, hold on here. I want to go. I'm sorry. Yeah, I do. I think that if this is well-received by critics that are outside of Star Wars, it's going to matter in the meetings

for how they approach other shows. moving forward, which is why I am so into this show, because it's exactly, it's kind of like what you get from the books. It gets a little more in-depth and flushed out and serious. And I think that this could be a really good thing for the shows moving forward, especially when you think about shows like Ackleit moving into production. I think that would affect it. I have to say something because I'm listening to you guys. And it's almost two different things, Mando, Boba, Obi-1, and Andor. Four different things.

Well, those three are together, and then Anders by itself. Right, right, right, right. Now I'm thinking, imagine a Rogue 1 in Andor's Star Wars, an acolyte done this way. Right, that's what I'm saying. That's what I mean. So I'm just like. But this is why I'm hyped up with Leslie Henland, though, because I love it. Because Russian doll is, even though there's dishumor and stuff in there too, but it's serious.

Yeah. And I think that that's why I've been so excited about that series. And people have been tagging me since our videos on the fact of whether or not it's happening. It seems. It's happening. There's reporting. That's happening. I just, I agree that it's happening.

I'm being cut off. Good boy. Yeah. I cut myself off. I cut myself off. I agree that it's happening. Yeah. I'm still very confused why at your biggest events on both celebration and D23, you don't mention it.

I'm not talking about doing big things. You don't even mention it. it. I don't know. It's still confusing, but there is casting coming out, and again, whether it's confirmed or just, or reported by the Hollywood reporter or whatever it might be, it's coming out, there seems to be new casting on that show every other Thursday. So it's going to happen. I just wish that there be put some more, more love would be put into the promotion of it. And I know we're probably two years out from when it comes out. But to go to Mike's point, I, like another way, and what Steph just said, as far as the, whether or not they start to switch it out, and it, it

Because in that room, if you will, if this show gets nominated for an Emmy, then they're definitely going to win around. Definitely. It's the only one I would think of any of their shows that would get nominated. It's the only one that when you say it that I could take it seriously. For it to be out at the same time of House of the Dragon and Rings of Power and it to be in the same conversation as saying something for Star Wars. I agree.

And I think that that's, and what you do have to realize are too, like I'm still very much so, and I stand by it that I think Star Wars television is the way to go until they have a full cut plan on movies. I get you like watching Star Wars movies in the theater and that's how you think Star Wars should be celebrated. I get it and I respect it. The problem is they got no plan. They don't know what movie they're doing. I would rather than just wait. There clearly is a plan with television and there's a way to develop characters throughout that plan. Now, the thing is that some people say, Mandalorian started out strong and that's why people still have, that's why you got a lot of fans out there in the first place. You put out seasons one and you put out season two,

whatever it was, and people were like, oh, man, give me, give me, give me. And then Boba Fett, if Boba Fett would have been shot like this in that gangster way, we're talking, we're in a very different conversation about Boba Fett right now, I'll tell you that. You know, it's funny when the whole Benioffin Wysse, Game of Thrones guys were on board for Star Wars, this is what I thought they would have delivered. Or Boba Fett, but like this type, oh, Benny Fem Wys would have delivered their Star Wars would have been what we're getting with And or like, when they were attached, I was like, oh, we're going to get that Game of Thrones in Star Wars, Game of Thrones.

Right, a little bit more of that serious thing. There's adult. So here we are with it. And I think that there's probably those conversations will appeal because when you go to George Lucas's original philosophy, he made Star Wars for children, sure for kids. Now the Star Wars brand has evolved for sure too,

and that's not to say you don't make shows for kids and you shouldn't make some of the lighter shows. You absolutely shoot. Should every show be like this? No. No. It is the beauty also of having me able to have this platform is that you can experiment.

And I think that there are certain shows that maybe call for a lighter thing. Like, I'm very curious to see what John Watson. does with like skeleton crew with the kids and do like a stranger thing type of thing. I think that's a very smart idea and it could be something really, really good and different. But I think that when you get a subject matter like Obi-Wan and Boba-Fet, and when you're talking about Boba-Fet being a gangster, you know, like that kind of gangster, right? If they would have done that, like Gilroy has been doing, or the team that's doing and or,

Yeah. And put that kind of, like, grittiness and, like, full-on gangster story. We're not talking about Boba Fett the way, like, it was all right. You're talking about, wow, that's a nutty show. If you're thinking about, and stuff, if you think about this time period that we're in, you know, pre-Battle of Yavin, this is one of the worst times for the Star Wars universe of what's happening. Yeah. So this fits, like Skeleton Crew, that's years after, do we know in that set, Skeleton Crew?

It's during the same time of a Mandalorian stuff. So after Jedi. It's after Jedi. So it's a different time in the universe. All the stuff that was hanging in Mandalorian is around. And that works. And that's why, because I love that you said that, I don't want everything to come out now in the style of Andor.

Right. No, no. No. It can't because you would get exhausted by that. Because you'd have, Star Wars can still be fun and still have that time. I think it just depends on the time period and where, and the subject matter you're dealing with. Yeah, subject.

The Obi-1 subject matter should have definitely been handled a little bit more serious than it was. It was too later and it almost felt like a like almost animated at times, right? Yeah. Yeah, go ahead. I think that like,

I like Star Wars to take a more serious approach in general. I think that we can live in a time where there's different degrees of that seriousness. But what I want people to take that they did in Andor really well is that you can still be graphic without being graphic. Like when Andor shot or Cassian shot the two people and they died, you don't really see it,

but you know what. happens and you feel it. And you can do that approach to all of the things moving forward. Like it doesn't need to be like, pew, pew, pew, like fake killing. Like people are dying and they have been dying. So show it in a way that is death. It doesn't feel like actors playing with Blasters going. I'm in Star Wars now.

Right. And it feels like that in a lot of times. Right. And again, the Power Rangers racing around on their bikes and that thing. It's like, oh, I get it. You want to stylize it and stuff too. But it feels out of place. I'm not thinking about the story anymore.

I'm thinking about why it feels. out of place and I don't feel like anything's out of place in this episode in this series so far. And again, we're three episodes in. Yeah. We don't know yet. But if it continues down this road, there's so much going on now with the indoor having to, well, and I love the fact that shows a lot about his character, little character things. He's in this whole thing with Scars Grant and he keeps going back for the relic, for the empire thing. He keeps going back for it.

And Scars says, like, who cares? Let's get the hell out of here. He's like, I'm going back for it. I got to get it. And he keeps going back. It shows his spirit with just that moment. They're able to cram in so much about that character in that. And now that you said that, it hit me right now.

I didn't think of it at the moment. It's reminiscent to me of Obi-Wan going. You just took your first step into a much larger world. Yes. Like this little code thing, come with me, and your eyes are going to be open. Right. And they zip out on the bike together. And I don't mean to take shots.

But when you look at Obi-1 in that scene when Vader, when Vader goes and goes to, and he's catching Obi-1, and they go and they take off and he catches the one decoy and blows it up yeah blows it up first right and then it's like oh he's like okay got him and then the second ship just whee this does the same thing with the decoy but it's just done better the directing the way it directed better it's like you fooled me for a second I'm like wait well those guys in it like you knew in the obie one thing that's not damn right in this one you're like what the hell just happened and then it whee zips by and you're like and you're like yes and then scars goes got that that that that crap eaten grin on his face as he's going through like

I don't know. It just shows how important execution is. Because when this, and Mike, Mike knows it, when this show was announced, I went, yeah. And Thor? Yeah. Of all this stuff, I think this was your least like,

eh, we are, why? I said, who cares? I said, you know what happens to them. Right, you knew what happened. And I said the only thing, I said the only thing to me that could really get me interested is that they really play into the politics of this, they pay this,

as well. You haven't seen four yet, but everything so far that I've wanted from this show, they've delivered, and I care about casting way more than I thought I would. And I don't care if I know his ending because I didn't know a lot about him, and I'm learning more about him, and it's going to make me care about him even more when I go back and watch Rogue One again. But it wasn't even the Empire, but we saw the whole other side. You know, we saw the two different sides. It's like, you know, mustache, McGilacutty and all them. And the influence of them, too, and the political system, of like, well, I believe in the empire.

I'm not really necessarily. I kind of, it's like, I know the guy. Like, yeah. It's like, wait, you're friends with him? Kind of work with his cousin's uncle. You know, it's like that type of thing. And that works well because they're trying to get into favor. They're trying to show what they can do.

And then it's just like, but don't mess. Don't mess with these people, though. When you go in there to their own place, they're banging on pots and pans. And next thing you know, you're laying in your own piss. And they, and I love that they also took this guy. They didn't make him like this ultimate badass. Yeah.

He's scared. He's got balls. He's trying. The one young kid. The main guy. Yeah. The main guy, like, because Cassian just sneaks up right behind him. He's just like, all right.

Yeah. Come on stupid. And he should have whacked him at that point. It's interesting that they didn't kill him. That was the one thing that I was like, oh, that was interesting. Everything else, what I loved about the show was that it didn't feel like they were like, okay, this needs to happen so this can happen. We need to put this in so that they grabbed this later in this episode.

Everything was like seamless of like how things would go down. I didn't question it once. It was the only time I was like, huh, I think he would have killed him. He tells him to. Scar Scar's car tells him to. And I'm glad they added that part. And I like that. See, I like that he didn't kill him because I think that he's, because at this point,

he's feeling like he just took those two guys out. It's not something he wanted to do. He's not like, it's not like, it's not eating him up. But he doesn't feel good about it. No. And like, so he's like, do I have to kill this guy right now? Carson's like, yeah, pop him in the head. And he doesn't because the thing, oh, yeah, there's other things that can come into play.

One thing, though, that I also want to, this is like kind of being nitpicky, because I don't really care about trailers, but the thing that bugged me about Boba Fett was that we got this trade that made it look like we were going to get like a mafia show, right? Like gangsters at the table sitting together. You thought that was going to happen multiple times. Like, this is the new family, like meet up. And then we didn't at all. We got that in one scene, I think the Penn Ultimate episode, and it really meant nothing.

It meant nothing. It built expectations through trailer and didn't deliver on those expectations. This was what we saw in the trailer and then more. There was not one storyline that I was like, damn, that didn't happen. That's weird. From what they presented in the trailers. No, no, no. I'm so glad you both said that because I kind of wanted to step away from arguing with people on Twitter.

And something happened last week with Boba Fett. And I said it didn't give us the show that they were promising. And then they were like, well, you need to adjust your expectations once you got the show because you're, I go, no, they sold me a bill of goods and didn't deliver this. All the trailers that I have seen are still selling, now watching three, oh, we're getting there. The spy stuff is coming. That's right. When you present something in a trailer, that's the difference. If you announce, here's a show that's coming out. And you go, oh, I hope it's about this, this, this, this is this. And it's not. Yeah. That's on you. If they show you a trailer and you're like, oh, it's not going to be that at all. It's going to be this. In the trailer, The goal of the trailer is to say, this is the show that we hope you will watch because we think this is what we're presenting to you. Right. Now, guessing story points and things like that, that's different. If you're guessing story points inside the same tone that they set up and everything, again, on you, if they present something in a trailer and it makes it, it looks like plot, and they make it seemings in that show, and Fevero even says it in interviews, they wanted to go to Godfather and they watched all these different gangster things. That is not a gangster show.

It isn't. Like, it really isn't. There's gangster movements and gangster things that happen sometimes, but the formation of mafia and all that and the inside, it's not. And for people, well, it's Star Wars, what do you expect? Watch Andor. That's what you can now say. A lot of the trailers didn't show one, two, and three stuff.

A lot of the stuff we've seen is futile, like, Monmaphma, this and that. I was like, but I don't feel deceived. I'm like, oh, yes, this is. Because tone is consistent. Yes, and I'm like, I know we're getting the, They teased me. I'm on board now.

They're teasing you. They're presenting inside of the trailer's political spy thriller. That is exactly what this show is. I can say this right now, 100% with certainty for myself. We're going to get to the end of this 12 episodes. And I'm not going to go, oh, it didn't say what the trailer was. I'm not going to say that. It already has.

It already has to slowly getting there. And after the first two episodes, I was kind of like, okay, we got to get going here. I'm not 100% seeing. But that's different, though. No, no. But you still have it as far as expectations go of wondering, because your expectations were, well, we're going to see and or in this role already.

They never present that in the trailer. Right. They just present, this is what the show is going to feel like. Yeah. And it feels like that. Like they took the moments in Boba Fett, you know, and to be fair, whether you like the choices that were made in Obi-1, the tone was, for the most part, pretty similar.

I mean, they had way more lighter moments, but it was pretty simple. We won was the execution and the expectations for sure. But that was different than Boba. You know, Diego Lula, though, the thing with him is that he, the guy, he never ages. He never ages. And I think he's using geology. I would tell you that if you asked me, I think he's using geology. Because if you didn't know, and I got to tell Mike about this, Mike's going to love this stuff.

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Nothing official. Nothing. Learn last week. I guess, yes. I do think the show's going to happen. I think it'll happen. Oh, yeah. That's a show, though, again,

I would much rather see in the vein of locations. And I'm not saying don't use the volume of it because I think the volume is great, but use it as a balance. Like, I think I still, when I did my rewatch of Mando one and two, it's so seamless for that, for that show. When did I do it? Yeah, we're doing a rewatch. Again?

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. All right. Well, I'll do it again. It's Mando. I told you. I watch that thing all the time. I don't want to watch Boba again. I haven't watched it again.

I haven't watched this thing that came out. But you would watch the Mando stuff, though, inside of Boba, wouldn't you? Those two episodes? Of course I would. Luke said some of the best. We'd have to watch that. Of course I would. That episode is still. The volume, you're right.

I'll say this, inside the cockpits of ships, that thing is incredible. Watching the behind the scenes. And I think Mando the set execution does it so well. ObeOne did not use it well. And I think it's also because Favreau knows it really well. Mando has used it the best. Obi-Wan was the most noticeable. It's like any special effects tool.

If you got the people working with it, know it the best, and it worked with it. But also to be fair, to everybody involved, too, a lot of the times that they relied on it was during the pandemic, too. You're right. You're right. That was another reason to. There you go. What I hope is that it's a balance in between that they don't rely on it. Right.

They rely on it because they had to at one point in necessity, which I understand. But now that they can move stuff around, because the thing is with Mandalorian, still, even though the volume is great, but even though the volume is great, But even though, because I got to watch you, though, because sometimes you jump right into that microphone and you'll not stop talking. But what? You will not interrupt. Yes. You will not.

But I will say that, I don't think I ought to be going to argue with this. Robert Rodriguez's best episode of anything that he did Star Wars was that Mandalorian episode with Boba Fett. When they're on location. On location. And what I still. With baby Grogu on the rock. Yes. And people were still like, ah, it looked like a fan film.

Yeah. in the best sense of the word because that's what the original Star Wars was looked like. A couple guys in pink short shorts in the desert. The original Star Wars was Flash Gordon fan film. It was awesome. Samurai fan film.

It was a lot of different. That's why that episode is fantastic. It's great and I love watching it again. So much that we can talk about, but we actually, we talk pretty deep into and or episodes one, two, and three. We will be doing the spoiler-heavy episodes of the way we did in the past

because for, at least for next week, going to be putting up my reaction to episode four and then this will serve as the spoiler episode for that day. And then once we get into episode five and everything to ones that I haven't seen, it'll be an immediate reaction at night. Then I'll do the spoiler heavy review. Then I'll put up the reaction to the actual episode and then we'll have our spoiler discussion. So again, and or coverage for sure. And I'm hoping a lot of people are enjoying it. Let's get, what happened? Where'd you go? What did you do? There you are. Let's get back to what? talking to the audience, though, about what they thought of the actual show.

I want to get the comments inside. I want to hear their thoughts. I want to be able to respond to them and talk to them. And if you liked it, tell me why. If you didn't like it, let's have a respectful conversation. I think that it has been proven in these comments section that, for the most part, that people can talk cordially with each other and have conversations and not scream and yell at each other. That's what I've been proud of with this community.

So thank you guys for that. And thank you. Once again, thanks to Mike. Thanks to Steph for joining us here on Sith Council. So we'll see you guys next. We'll be back. Again, if you want to check out the Amazon list, we still have a few things left on there.

You can check it out. Apple Podcast, Spotify, anywhere that podcasts are found, please check it out. Thank you again to Gentle Giant, to our buddy Fernando over at Disneyland. And we'll see you on the flip side, everybody. Peace.

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