The Kristian Harloff Show - Are Gambit/Blade getting SOLO MCU movies? | Nestor Carbonell Interview

Episode Date: August 8, 2024

What an episode we have today! Not only are we going to be discussing the possibility of Channing Tatum and Wesley Snipes getting their own solo movies for the MCU courtesy of Ryan Reynolds, we will discuss a great many things! Speaking of Blade, the Mahershala Ali lead MCU film seems to be on the back burner once again. It looks like the film will not even be on the 2026 slate as Bob Iger mentioned a lot of different projects and that one was not on the docket.last, but certainly not least, we speak to Shogun series stand out Nestor Carbonell, all about his Emmy nominated performance, his work on lost, The Dark Knight and his journey as an actor. Join Kristian Harloff and Roxy Striar on this exciting adventure of the Big Thing. #mcu #marvel #blade #gambit #deadpool #nestorcarbonell #hollywoodactor #batman #lost  OUR SPONSORS: BILT: Earn points by paying rent right now when you go to http://www.joinbilt.com/BIGTHING AG1: AG1: It's easy and satisfying to start your journey with AG1. Try AG1 and get a FREE 1-year supply of Vitamin D3K2 AND 5 free AG1 Travel Packs with your first purchase at http://www.drinkAG1.com/BIGTHING LIQUID IV: Indulge in hydration this summer with Liquid I.V. Get 20% off your first order of Liquid I.V. when you go to http://www.LIQUIDIV.com and use code BIGTHING at checkout.  MAGIC SPOON: Get 5 dollars off your next order at http://www.MagicSpoon.com/BIGTHING  

How's it going, everybody? Welcome back to the big thing. It's Thursday. What an episode we have here today for you. We're going to discuss there's been talk of Gambit, there's been talk of Blade doing their own movies now. Are they going to do it? Will Marvel do it? And speaking of Blade for the MCU, it's not even listed on the 2025 list anywhere. Bob Iger, they had this call and it's not even listed. So what does that mean? Is it over and done with and should it be Dunski? But the meaning of this, episode, if you guys have been watching Shogun, I finally watched it because I knew this interview was coming up. I finally finished it. And it is time for us to talk to one of the stars of that show, Nester Carbinald. And if you know, if you don't know Nestor, where you've been? Dark night, morning show, lost. The list goes on and on and on. And we talk to him today, myself and Roxy Stryer. So I'm excited for that one. I'm excited for you guys to see it. Getting a lot of new interviews here. We're getting a lot of meeting a bunch of new people.

So get on board. Hit that subscribe button. Apple Podcasts, Spotify, anywhere podcasts are found. We're excited, man. It's me and Roxy. It's the big thing. Where's Brett? You figure it out.

What's up, everybody? Welcome back. Tiz, the big thing. And it's Thursday. What an episode we have here today. And I'm glad that I'm able to have this episode. with my good friend, Roxy Shrier. Hello, Roxanne.

How are you? Are you excited? Are you excited for today? Yeah, I'm obsessed with Nestor. It's going to be a good one. I'm so pumped. It's like so weird to be such a fan girl of every guest that we're bringing on, but we're bringing on people I love. I know.

Nestor is so, Lost is one of my top five favorite shows of all time. He just keeps getting great role after great role, right? He's got dark night. Absolutely. The Dark Night is my favorite is my favorite DC movie ever. The TDK trilogy is my favorite comic book ever, trilogy ever. I told you Shogun is my favorite movie of the year. It's your favorite show of the year. My favorite show gun is my favorite show of the year. And I told you that morning show every year I come on here and give it as my top 10. I like ride for that show. So the whole thing is just crazy because he's in everything that I love. Well, when they look, I've been getting pitched some good people lately. And when they said,

do you guys want to talk to an extra? I was like, hell yeah. And I told you, you were like, hell yeah. You made sure that you were available for that one. And I'm glad that you were because we're going to have a good conversation with him for sure. But before we get to it, there's news out there, Roxy. There's tons of news. And the two big stories and the first one I got to get to.

And there's going to be spoilers for Deadpool and Wolverine. At this point, if you're watching this show, you should have watched a movie already. If not, fast forward to later on, because the first story is all about, what's out there in the news anyway. So the big cameo happened in the film and it wasn't even a cameo. These are roles. Jennifer Garner returned as Elektra.

Shannon Tatum returned as, well, not returned. I guess debuted as Gambit. It's not a movie at the show. That's right. It didn't return. That's right. Wesley Snipes returned as Blate. So with the success of the movie and the movie easily going to cross

a billion dollars very soon, I wouldn't even be surprised by the time that this air, if it's crossed a billion dollars. Ryan Reynolds has been very active on Twitter and saying that not only should Blade get a R-rated Logan-esque film

that Shannon Tatum should have his own Gambit movie, this standalone film. Now, no mention of Elektra having her own movie, but these two in particular. Roxy, you've seen the movie, is this a good decision to try to get Ryan Reynolds to say,

hey, these two should have their own movies. So I have some questions for you, Christian. Go ahead. I didn't see Blade until last year for Real Rejects. I did a watch along. I'd never seen any of the Blade movies. And I was like, oh, wow, these are awesome. So I don't know anything really about Blade. Once I saw this movie, Deadpool Wolverine, and he was there. I was so excited because I'm part of the fandom now. But when we came out, I heard that there was a big deal because Ryan Reynolds and like that there had been drama prior to this. They made a joke about it in the movie.

So I heard the joke. I was like, huh? And then, yeah, and then I heard that Wesley and Ryan maybe weren't friendly or fans of each other. What can you tell? Like, what's the actual tea before I even give my thoughts on Ryan going hard in the paint for these two? Well, it depends. Because if you would have asked me this two months ago, I would have told you it's famous

that they didn't get along. They didn't really like each. other. They haven't... Over what? Did anything come out? That I guess that, you know, Wesley was kind of like the star of it, didn't like Ryan, they had a back and forth. They didn't get along. It just did just different personalities, right? Who knows? That's what everybody thought the story was for years, because that was even the rumor when the rumor were starting to be, well, there's going to be a blade in this movie and everybody thought it was going to be sticky fingers from the TV show. That was, that was the major rumor. Because they said there's no chance that Wesley Snipes is going to show up because, is Wesley Snipes hates this dude. And he even played to it. But the reason why now, and whether it's just PR, Wesley Snipes was in an interview and said, well, that was the rumor that we hated each other.

And it wasn't true. We didn't even talk a lot, but we didn't hate each other at all. Brian texted me and I said, you know, let's do it. And so he's like, I don't know how it's going to work. He said, but I trusted him. And it worked. So I don't know what the real story is. Yeah, just interesting now because maybe there was some bad blood

or maybe there wasn't, but now Ryan seems to especially be going, be going hard for this. He Instagrammed out said, there's no Fox Marvel universe or MCU without Blade first creating a market. He is Marvel Daddy. Please share for a Logan-like send-off,

which is, and then did a whole scroll post of him and the two of them together. Right. So he's given him, he's given him love. And he's not wrong. And we're most people,

when you bring up, what started the superhero craze, right? You could start and say, I always say, not superhero craze, but gave respect to, would be the Richard Donner, Superman 1, Superman 2. That, I mean, even the tagline was, you'll believe a man could fly, which you did, one and two.

The three and four kind of tainted that legacy a little bit. Donner wasn't part of that. But then 1989 happens, and Tim Burton's Batman comes out. And that movie changes the game also, and like, okay, great. This is going to be, this is a big one that's a changing the game. And then the second one, I don't love, but people did. It didn't really taint the legacy.

But then Warner Brothers didn't like how darker was going. Goes to Joel Schumacher route. Kind of just makes it seem like these movies are just for children. Nobody takes them seriously anymore, right? So, and that was the case for superhero movies for quite a while in the mainstream until 1998, I believe it was, when the first Blade came out. Because people always give credit to the X-Henberg. which didn't come out until 2000.

But it was Blade. And it was this rated art, Marvel film that Blade was part of the Wesley Snipes did. It was the first one. And it was phenomenal. I remember watching that movie and everyone was just, people were dressing up as Wesley Snipes for Halloween. So I understand it.

I mean, I hold up. It's such a vibe. It creates an entire, like, mood. And he does such a great job in it. And I get completely why. people love Blade. That doesn't necessarily mean that the best thing for Blade is to have him come back.

And prior to watching Deadpool and Wolverine, I would have thought, no, I don't think that that's what's best. But then in Deadpool Wolverine, I was like, wait, Wesley, like, more than still has it. I want to see more of this and how I kind of feel where the people are coming from. Yeah, but here's the issue. And this is where, because that mindset, I agree with, right? But, and then let's start with, let's start with Channing Tatum and Gambit first. Okay, so no. I feel the opposite about Gambit and Channing Tatum.

Because it wasn't, because I want to, because I'll jump back to, the reason why I want to put a hold on this is because it's going to transition also into the story of what's happening with the new blade, right? So it could, it could combine both of them. So hold that for everybody. Channing Tatum, the story behind this was that for years, they were trying. trying to get, this is during the height of the comic movie boom, Marvel is kicking us. Every movie's making a billion dollars and chatting Tatum was up for this movie, wanted to get it, and there was a rumor that the movie was supposed to cost $200 million to make. I talk about it all the time. I'll never forget it. Schnep lost his mind. Couldn't believe that they were going to

spend $200 million on a gambit movie. He thought it was the stupidest thing. It didn't happen, never happened, and it continued to not happen. And they even brought a joke, upon it, right? So Ryan Reynolds is pushing the Channing Tatum gambit side because arguably funniest part of the whole movie, one of the best scenes in the whole movie. I love what Channing Tatum did, but Roxy, I think I know your answer already. You don't think that this should happen. This is the problem with people who like something

and don't realize that you can like something and not give it a whole new life. Like the clear whole point of this was that this character that he created for this movie only works here. You can't understand him. You can't hear him. Nobody knows what the F he's talking about. He's a joke in this movie. And the fact that Channing Tatum was willing to do that,

so much credit to Channing Tatum for realizing I am the joke. And we're going to take, I'm going to play that up. I'm going to have no ego attached to it. And I'm going to show how ridiculous this character would have been. That's what the whole point was. So for them people to be like, see, everybody loved him. And it's like, yeah, in this as the comic relief, not as an endorsement for a gambit movie, what the F?

Now, I agree with you that I don't think that this should be a movie with Channing Tatum. But here's the argument you could make against it if you wanted to. You could say, well, yes, remember, this is a variant of the character. We are going to do a gambit movie where you can't. understand what he's saying. You can see the cool stuff he's doing with the cards. He's not going to be a goof and they're going to give him an actual movie. It just happens to be a variant inside of it. My argument against that is the same thing that we'll get into with Blade. Marvel has is not at the, they're coming off a win right now with the box office, no doubt. They need to get Captain America

to be a box office win. They need Thunderbolts to be a win. They need Fantastic Four to be a win. If they get all of those to be a win and they get that going, then they shoot into Avengers 1 and 2. They didn't, they don't have the luxury of doing what D.C. did. James Gunn smartly said, you know what? We're going to have our DC universe. We're going to have our D.C. universe. And then we're going to have these side things, these elsewhere's projects.

We're going to do some things that connect to the universe. And it might confuse some people here and there, but whatever. But we have the Batman. universe, we got the Joker. We have these other things that we have going, I don't know where peacemaker lies, although now he said it's part of the universe. But there's Elseworld stuff

that if you wanted to do something in a standalone thing that doesn't connect, you can. Marvel doesn't have that. They'd have it with Sony and I get, you know, with Sony does, and even that is connected somewhat. I would push back a little bit on that. Like, what would you call the werewolf by night

movie that we watched? It's still connected. It's supposed to connect through the monster side of it. They were going to make things happen. It was more of a standalone piece, but it's still connected inside the MCU. But also, we are going with fantastic, we're doing different time periods. We're doing different universes. But they're connected too. They're connected too. You're using the word connected differently than how I use connected. Yeah, the Marvel Cinematic Universe, the storyline is all connected, right? Where if you're doing a, if you're doing a blade movie,

I guess the first thing, logistically, where do you put that blade or where would you put that Channing Tatum movie. Where would you put that blade movie? Where do you put those movies? Do you mean what date? Yeah. Where? Do you mean which earth? No, no. Right now as far as releasing it, you're an executive and I say to you, okay, well, when are we going to release that movie? Because we have these three movies coming out leading up to our Avengers movies in 2026. We don't have anything fit to where all these movies do play into how we get to the Avengers. We don't know how this one does because it's connected. This is what I'm saying. It's connected to the universe. we just do a random stand-alone blade like oh and here's blade like Logan because that's what

Ryan Reynolds said he said let's do a Logan type thing but now that it's connected like well does that connect to the MCU they have pigeonhole themselves by connecting everything in this TV universe I guess that you assuming that that was the blade from the universe that we pulled him like I don't feel the same way you do about how you're describing all of that okay because I mean so you think like I don't even know that that X23 was our X23 they said it they said it They said that she was, she had said in an interview that she was the same one from the Logan movie. But he's not the Wolverine from that movie. I know.

It's all over the place. But nonetheless. We're already going all over the place. The point is that you absolutely could do a standalone because you could just say different or different time. Different earth. It's confusing to people, Roxy. Like if you say to the average, to you and I, we'll be able to figure it out. But the average person is confusing.

Then they're both confusing. I know, but I'm just saying if it's a matter of. I don't know. I don't think doing a blade. And the other side of it is this. You think they're going to do a $60 million, $70 million, Logan-esque budget? No, Wesleyan's going to want to do a $200 million a blade movie. I agree with you on half the things and then disagree on half.

Like, I'm with you. I think we're both on the same page about Gambit where we don't think that that should be a movie right now. You've got to establish him. You got to establish him in the X-Men as somebody else. Right. Just it's not work. They did him well.

They did him well in X-Men 97. They did them great in X-Men 97. As Channing Tatum in the next five years, do I want a gambit movie? I don't. I don't think we need that. But do I think that there is room for a blade movie? Absolutely. In a few years, do I think that there could be room for a blade movie?

I really do. I think that there has been room for a long time. I'm curious why it's so hard for them to figure out. Oh, wait, wait. So we're saying different things here. We're saying different things. I'm not saying there shouldn't be a blade movie. I'm saying there shouldn't be a blade

Logan style movie with Wesley. Right now, as much as I would love to see a Wesley Snipes, Logan Esk movie, I think it's too confusing for Marvel to do because of what you just said. With the Marvel, with the actual Blade movie, which should be coming up, because that is

connected to the werewolf by night, the Eternals, like all that's the way. He's in, I mean, his voice is in the post-credit scene for that scene. I think it's, don't start pushing it out, until you know where he's coming and where he's doing and what the story is. Where who's coming? Played.

Until you know what played is. Because let's just jump into that story here because check this out. This is something I'm reading over a comic book movie. Blade not listed among Marvel's 2025 release in Disney CEO Bob Iger's Q3 fiscal year 24 earning statement. So last week Marvel Studios put an updated film slate through 2027 and surprisingly Blade was still listed as a 2025 release. But is that still the case? Mark Julian writes, just last week, Marvel Studios adjusted its upcoming release schedule with the company removing an untitled July 24th, 2026 film from its slate, but surprisingly,

Blade, the film that seemed to have the most uncertainty surrounded remained unchanged. Yet today, in Disney's CEO, Bob Eiger's Q3 FY24 earnings statement, the top exec pointed to a number of upcoming Marvel projects as a reason for investors to feel bullish about the company's upcoming fiscal performance as he listed every 2025 Marvel project except for one. A joint statement from Eiger and Disney chief financial officer Hugh Johnson reads, looking at our upcoming theatrical slate, we're excited to bring audiences a number of titles that expand our popular franchises and bring these stories to life in an imaginative new way.

Later in the year, we have the highly anticipated release of Moana 2 as well as Mufasa the Lion King. Statement continues. In 2025, our theatrical slate remains just as robust. Captain America, Brave New World, Thunderbolts, the Fantastic Four, First Steps, Utopia 2 and Avatar 3. In 2006, we look forward to Avengers, Doomsday, a new Star Wars movie featuring the Mandalorian and Grogu,

and Toy Story 5, the first Toy Story movie since 2019. As you can see, every 2025 release from the MCU is mentioned by Iger and Johnson except Blade. The reboot of the superhero vampire film originated by Wesley Snipes was announced back in 2019 at San Diego Comic-Con when Herschel Ali walked on stage at the end of the studio hall's presentation.

Since then, the project has lost two directors undergone four rewrites of the script. Ali is still attached to star in the Lee role, but Delroy Lindo and Aaron Pierre have since departed. Mia Gauth is still set to appear and reportedly play Lilith, an ancient vampire who needs the blood of the daywalker for some nefarious purpose, but instead of targeting Blade, she's targeting his daughter. Early drafts of the film had the project taking place in the 1920s, but multiple rewrites now have the pick taking place in present day. Blade was originally envisioned as phase five, but due to our aforementioned script issues and the 2020, WGA, and SAG Strike, the film was pushed to November 25th, excuse me, the film was pushed

to November 7th, 2025, making it a phase six release. So in other related news, Snipes, Blade returns in Deadpool and Wolverine and states there's only been one blade and is ever going to be one blade. Ryan Reynolds, Deadpool then knowingly looks into the camera, seemingly making note of the film's difficult production. Since then, Reynolds has gone on to a campaign that snipes his blade deserves his own Logan-like send-off. So there is a lot to relate into that story

that we just talked about rocks, right? Because I agree with you. I think that there should be a new telling of blade and it would be interesting to see the MCU do it and tackle it. It doesn't seem like they know how to crack it. I don't know what to make of all this, Christian, because

blade should be pretty easy to do. But there were all these jokes in this. Like, there is only one blade ever. And this is the Only Blade. It's like, I don't know. I don't even know what I think they should do at this point. I think that Wesley is awesome. I think that Mahershala is awesome.

I think that Blade could really be done in the next few years and be awesome. But they don't seem to know how to do it. How many directors have they gone through? Like there's been a lot of people. People leaving the project constantly, moving time periods, all of that. Sometimes I do feel like not to get all woo-woo, but when something's not working, sometimes you need to take a step back? This is where I stand with it because Mahershali is just such a amazing talent.

I've been saying this and I think that this is where we are. If it's not coming, 2025 was never going to happen. It didn't seem like it was going to happen. Not being listed on 2026, albeit telling, also smart. If you don't have it cracked right now, don't say it's coming out in 2026 so everybody can say, oh, you said it was coming out in 26? It's not. They don't have it cracked.

They have no idea when they're going to put it out. If that is the case, I think that they should say to Mahershal Ali, listen, we really want you to be part of Marvel. What role do you want? What do you want to do? We have so many things that we want you to do. What do you want to do that we know is coming out? Do that.

And then he does that. And then if you wanted to, going back on what I was saying earlier, and I'm actually not going back, but fixing the problem maybe what I was saying, you'd have to get this Wesley Snipes Blade movie done before the Avengers, the next two Avengers movies. And if it's a small enough budget,

you probably could do it. But if you were going to, in the same way what they're doing with Daredevil, where they were going to reboot the whole thing, make it something different, make it match the MCU, and not related to the Netflix series.

They said, the hell with that, let's just make it. The Netflix series, it's the next season, but it's going to be on Disney Plus. And there was a smart move, at least you think it is.

Maybe they do the same thing with Blade. And they go, Okay, we couldn't crack it with Mearshal. We want them in the family. But Blade, and people love seeing Wesley back. We can bring them back. Give them a Logan-like movie. Don't kill them off because we can have them show up in Secret Wars.

We'll sign them for a contract to put them in the Avengers. And then once the multiverse is over, it's it. It's over. It's done with. Maybe they can do it that way. But do you want that? Depends. Because I know you think that might still be confusing.

for people. Well, no, I think it would be confusing. Wesley Snipes is 62, so we kind of got to get a move on. Sure. And that was one of my biggest arguments with Mahershal Ali, not doing, like, waiting too long. I mean, he's, he's significantly younger than Wesley Snipes. He's only 50 years old, whatever he is.

But still, if you're going to connect him to be part of the, doing a Wesley Snipes, one-off Blade movie, if you're going to do it, you know, you can sign him up, get him to do it. Clearly, he's still got the chops that he can do it. and that's it. With Mahershal Ali, I would assume they're going to want to lock him down to do stuff for a while.

That's why they announced it in 2019. I mean, there was... But what other role could you really see... I mean, Mahershaw could do anything, but what other role could you really see him dying to have?

Like Blades the It Guy role. Sure. I mean, but there might be other roles that you and I, we're not the comic officiados that like Winston and Coyar. They probably have 75 different characters

that could be rich and full for him. I don't know. I can't come up with one. That's kind of the point though, right? Like, do you think that Marischel is a comic book officianto? You would think that he, what did you say? I don't know. I don't know either, but you would think that he would probably realize that Blade is like general public knows. Of course. Of course. That's why he stuck around so long. Of course. But if it keeps falling apart, how long do you wait? How many jobs did people pass off because they thought they were going to be shooting it or they thought they were going to be locked into something? I don't know. I don't know if any, but maybe a lot.

Right. Who knows. But it's getting messy, but we both agree. The Shattano movie shouldn't happen. Gambit should happen. Gambit should appear in the new X-Men movie when it comes out. And then if you like, this is what I keep saying to people, and people keep arguing with me about it. If they make an X-Men movie and they make these movies,

and if they make the first X-Men movie, and then everybody gets really popular, let's say, oh, I love the actor they got for Gambit. I'd love to see a Gambit standalone movie. Do a Gambit standalone movie. And then it comes back in, and then they show, they all show up for X-Men too. Do a standalone storm movie after X-Men.

You do the X-Men movie first. You set everybody up. Who do we love? And whoever they love, give them their standalone movies and come back to X-Men too. I'm so with you and it's so funny because it's the exact opposite of what I want for D.C. Yeah. Where D.C. was like, let's do Justice League. And it was like, whoa, don't start there.

Let's do the stand-alone and build to that. But for X-Men, it's like, let's start there and then see who we like and then go to the standalone. Because X-Men's a team. That's what they are. They're a team. Well, specifically is a team, but they don't have the same individual. Like, you wanted to see all the individuals first, and then you want to see the team form. X-Men, I'm fine coming in. Teams formed. Then let's see who we're left.

And then do standalone movies because I think the future of the MCU should just be the Fantastic Four and X-Men for the next after Avengers and that's it. Just focus on those movies. You don't need to do all these. Well, let's go. There's some random comic book on Kevin. Fygie shelf that he wants to bring to light now because he thinks everyone's going to love it. It's like, no, focus on the X-Men. You have so much material there that you can do. So I'm curious. All right, so what do you think? Go ahead and put your comments in there. Should Blade have his own movie? Should Wesley Snipes have his own movie? Are they going to, what do you think about them not having that on the 2026 slate? Should Shatton have his own Gambit movie? What say you? Put your comments in there. Tell me what you think. Okay, before we move on to our interview here,

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So let's do it. Without any further, a do, to do, boo-boo. Is that good? Does that a good one? No. Great transition. I thought it was a wonderful.

I thought it was solid boo-boo. So let's get into it. It is Nestor Carbone and all. It is an interview we're looking forward to for a while here. Here you go. All right. So as you heard Roxy and myself talking about our next guest, we're so excited to talk to him from whether it's lost, whether it is dark night, whether it is.

whether it is the morning show, and of course, he is, got his first Emmy nomination for outstanding guest actor and a drama series for Shogun, which just blew everybody away. And we're so excited to be able to speak to our guest today, and that is Nestor Carbonell. Nestor, how are you, sir? I'm great, and thank you. That was very kind of you. Thank you for having me, guys, and for your very kind words. I'm a speech. But yes, very grateful for all of those opportunities that you mentioned to me.

And, you know, I know if you guys have been in this business for a bit, you know, how, how tough it is. So anytime we get to work in any capacity, you know, and certainly on this level is a gift. Well, that's what I was going to start with. And the fact that you've been, you've been doing this for a bit and you have, and I'd listen to your interview recently with Michael Rosenbaum. and the journey that you took. And what I thought was just fascinating is that, and I think that a lot of people need to hear, and this isn't just with acting,

this isn't just with this profession, this is just in life. I think it's the will to keep going, the will to believe in yourself, the will that it's going to happen, because you're a Harvard-educated gentleman. You were, and then when you were in school, did you know that you said,

okay, I'm going to do this, I'm going to do this, and did you give yourself a time limit? You just said, no, I'm just going to go. go until I feel satisfied. That's a great question. I, you know, I sort of stumbled into this profession. I didn't ever think that I was going to get into it. I thought I was going to, you know, pursue a more traditional career, maybe going to law like my father did or some form of business. And I took an elective, you know, in college that, you know, there's only one at the time. I believe that there's many more now offered at Harvard, but at the time there was only one

elective. And I read this book called Meisner on acting in that class. And if that was that book, that was the very book that made me want to say, I think that I want to pursue this more. I want to understand this more because the way Meisner breaks down acting is all about being present and in the moment and really living truthfully under these imaginary circumstances. And it's not really pretending, you know, not the way, you know, it's not his sort of, you know, his, his, his, his, his, take on acting. It's really trying to live truthfully. And I thought I was so taken by that. And I was especially taken by that when I had my proverbial first moment in acting class where I felt like I was kind of lost for a moment because I was connected with the actor. And it was like a drug. It hit me like a

drug. And I was like, I got to have more of that. And I want to study how that happened, why it happened. And I want to be able to really, you know, lose myself in a scene, you know, if I can. And, you know, and continue to learn how to do that. So I had to, I finished college only to go back to start acting school after I graduated because they didn't really offer anything else at Harvard at the time. And so I studied at Playhouse West for about a year here in L.A. And then I studied later on with Bill Alderson at his studio, a Meisner studio. But that's how I started, you know, and to your other point about, you know, about stick-to-itiveness

and giving myself a time limit, you know, I, is a... interesting. I did finish with the idea that, well, God forbid the acting doesn't work out. I'll have a degree and, you know, maybe I'll just sort of, you know, figure something else out. And there's certainly plenty of time, moments where I was like, this is not working

at all. My first three years out of here were pretty rough, you know. I mean, I was working here and there and I had more advantages than most because I already had an agent, you know, so that already is a battle in and of itself. But coming in close, you know, second or third on a film or or a TV,

show that was certainly more often than not so at three years in there are moments there where I was like this is not working out and I got to start thinking about something else and until I kind of strangely willed it to happen by figuring out sort of the sitcom world yeah that's how I kind of that's how I broke it what is the perception of you've got immigrant parents they work their butts off you work your butt off you go to Harvard you tell your parents actually I'm going going to go be an actor now what happens after that uh it's a great question roxy listen there was no one in my family had ever gone into this this business so it was it was new to all of us and uh you know god bless my parents because you know i have kids now we have kids we have two boys

who you know one's 22 the other one's 19 and you know once just finished college one's about to go to college both of them were aspiring musicians and and i have no like to stand on to say to them No, you can't do that. Right, right. But too much because, I mean, come on, my wife was also an actress. But to my parents' credit, they, they, you know, and you're absolutely right, Roxy, you know, having been exiles, Cuban exiles, having lost everything they had in Cuba, starting from scratch, my mother didn't even have a high school education.

My father did have an education, but really starting with what they had in their pockets to build the life that they did only for their oldest son to go. You know, I don't think I'm doing the, the, the, traditional thing. And for them to be able to pivot, sorry, that's our furry daughter. Anyway, so, yeah, for them to pivot and support me was, I'll never forget that. It was extraordinary. And, yeah, the initial conversation was a little shocking, I'm sure, but, you know, only

to be expected, but they were right behind me as soon as they saw my commitment. It's amazing how important. It really is so important. I mean, obviously people can do it without the support, but with the support. but with the support, it's monumental. I feel the same way with my father was always the same way for me when he said, I told him the things that we wanted to do. He said, look, if you believe in it and you believe in yourself and that's what you want to do,

commit to it, do everything that you want to do. But like you're the one that's going to ultimately make yourself happy. You know, it's like you can take a job and things that you're not going to be happy with, but you've got to commit to it. You can't do it half-ass and you've got to make sure that you're doing it the right way. And not everybody has those types of parents. Not everybody has this. People, you know, it's that traditional thing.

So the fact that your parents, could listen to you, understand, yeah, give it a shot, believe in you. And that says a lot about you as a person, though, too, where they said, we can we trust him. We, we, you know, it might take a little bit for them to get to that place, but they did it. And they were right. Yeah, thank you. And I'm so happy you had a similar experience. Did that happen for you as well, Roxy? Or was that, uh, yeah, I can't say a bad word about, I have the greatest parents of all time, so supportive. Um, hoping to be able to make them proud the way that you, you have made your parents proud because geez or geez, what a career.

I'm sure you have and I'm sure you are. And that's terrific. And you're right. You're both right. You know, not everyone gets that support. And it is pretty enormous, you know, to have that particularly because you're swimming upstream. And I mean, I don't know how it was for both you when you started out. But I mean, you're trying to, you know, I heard another actor say it's almost like you have to, you have to use your elbows to make room in this town.

You know, you have to kind of, you know, and you're absolutely right. believe in yourself and believe that you have something to offer, you know, the community that, you know, maybe is not seen in a certain way, you know, so. And then the other thing is, I know, I've seen so many reels on Denzel Washington talking about this, but it's consistency and discipline. You know, you know, that's a difference between a hope and a dream, you know, it's, and realizing a dream, is having that discipline, that daily discipline, doing something towards your goal every day and being consistent about it, you know, and, you know, even if it's somewhat peripheral, but as long as it's somewhat associated to your goal, that is sort of the differentiator, you know,

in my mind. Do you know that I've watched you in everything? I'm like just a diehard fan. I can't possibly express. I watch 120 shows a year. She watches so much. I far and away my favorite show of this year. I'm obsessed with the morning show.

I was a diehard lost girl. So I've really truly seen you in absolutely. everything, which means I've seen a lot of your interviews as well. And Christian and I've been doing this a long time. We've interviewed every A-list celebrity out there. I cannot believe you are the only person in the interviews that you do that I've seen and just now who asks the interviewer's questions. And cares and cares and cares and cares. I've never seen that. Really, because I am, I am curious to see, look, we're all in this business together. And it is sort of a, you know, it's an odd thing. you know, what we do to a certain extent, particularly people outside of it, I'm always fascinated

by everybody else's journey. I mean, I'm curious to see how everyone navigates this because it's tricky and it's changing, you know, and it has changed and evolved. I mean, I know both of you, you know, I was reading up on you, you both, you know, started in social media, you know, or sort of in this world, 15 years ago. Yeah, it's been a bit. It's extraordinary. Yeah. It's amazing. And as I'm sure you know, obviously, you've experienced it, the changes within the social media landscape have changed dramatically in 15 years. I started 15 years before that, before there was any social media. Right.

So I'm always curious to see, you know, on your end of it, how you guys are navigating things, too. So, I mean, I'm selfishly fascinated, too. Well, I was going to say that, too, I'm sure as for what you do. And I would, I mean, I think asking questions to everybody you meet and learning new personalities probably puts more in the toolbox, too. You know, it's like where you can, what happens one day, it's, like, hey, we want you to play, there's a guy out there's a role out there of a podcaster who's been out there for a long time doing stuff and moved over. And you've talked to people and

you've had those conversations. Like, it makes sense to ask questions. I mean, I think you're absolutely right. There's no question that certainly as an actor, it helps to learn as much as you can. But I think just as an individual, I'm just genuinely curious because I, you know, we're all in this, you know, body and in this, not to get too existential in this lifetime. And we're We're trying to navigate, you know, our own existential sort of, you know, being, you know. And I always want to see how other people do that, you know, and how you, how you tackle your day. How do you, how do you tackle your, your fears? How do you, how do you deal with your struggles, you know, that applies to everybody.

And I'm always fascinated by how people do it differently, you know, whether it's different cultures, different, different everything. And how they go about it. To me, that's always, it's always interesting. Yeah, I love that conversation because it's also one of these things where, as you mentioned, I like to get, especially when this is also when it comes to a long form and being able to have these longer conversations with somebody, it's not a junkie, you don't sit there for three minutes and it's like one thing, and the poor interviewer has like a thing that someone said, hey, read this. And you absolutely, what was it like working on showgun, how do you feel about being nominated?

And then it's over, and you didn't get a chance to really have that conversation and that back and forth. because I like to go into the deeper things. Of course I want to talk to you about Shogun. Of course I want to talk to you about Loss and we'll get there. But I also like the same thing as someone who does this. I want to learn more about you. I like this reading up about you, listening to the interviews that you did.

I thought it was fascinating with your journey and not giving up. Rodney Dangerfield is one of my like comedy like idols. And the idea that he's always the one that I've used to like, don't give up. Look at what happened to him when he was in, around the same age. And now we can jump to Shogun and the fact that look at this accomplishment of being nominated for an Emmy and doing just, I mean, and you've done incredible work, but what you do in this show, it's just phenomenal. It's phenomenal.

And I'm so happy for you. But can you talk a little bit about hearing about the nomination going, holy shit it happened. Well, thank you so much, Kristen. I appreciate that. You know, it's so wild. Yes, I was I was blown away. I've been at this for, you know, for a long time. I've been at this since, you know, professionally since I graduated college since 92, end of 92, you know,

or really committed end of 92 is when I moved out here to L.A. and to do it full time. And the irony is that my first job on prime time was as a guest star in Law & Order. You know, so to be nominated in this category, you know, 30, you know, two years later, is especially meaningful to me because it is for any actor that you guys have spoken to who's done guest work and I've done quite a bit of it.

It's its own sort of animal. It's kind of typically coming into a moving train having to hop on and sort of trying to assimilate and also try and add something to the world as well but also not disrupt it in a way that it's like jarring. So you have to so you know, so this particular word is especially meaningful to me.

because of that reasons. You know, I had the advantage in this particular, in, you know, in Shogun that I actually, my character's introduced in the pilot. So in that respect, there was no moving train, you know, as part of that train already. But, but no, it was still, you know, a dream, obviously a dream job in every respect.

And you guys know this. When you guys stumble on, you know, some element of work that you go, oh, wow, this is especially meaningful to me, you know, and it doesn't happen all the time, but everyone, when you do, you recognize it. And you, and you say, wow, this was a moment that I won't forget that I'll cherish and it was an experience. And it's certainly, that was certainly one for me where, you know, you're in this world that, you know,

Justin Marks, Rachel Condo, the writers, you know, and obviously based on James Cable's book, with a day and the writers created that, you know, John Langraph and everyone had effects, I mean, really got behind to the point where they created a world that as an actor, you just you walk on set and you're already in the world. There's no, there was green screen work, but there wasn't that much. I mean, there literally was an incredible set around you that you could escape into. And then you have phenomenal actors to work off of. So, you know, so just on that level alone, it was extraordinary.

And then the amount of prep that we got, I've never had that kind of prep, which is just a gift to an actor to work with a Japanese coach, Yukari, helped me with my Japanese. I had Tony Alcantara helped me with my Castilian accent. I had sword fighting lessons. I didn't even get to fight. You know, I had special Japanese. These are Japanese canoes that I had to, I had lessons in that.

I had lessons in everything in social training and how to bow, you know, so only so I could do it, you know, in a bad way to everyone around me. So, you know, you have all of that. And then you recognize what a gift all of that is. And then on top of that, like I said, the talent. around you, the enormous and just beautiful talent around you to work off. So you pinch yourself, you know. So to get recognized for that and a nomination is just, it's especially meaningful.

Where were you when you found out? Oh, about the nomination? I was home. It was early and then I was trying to, I was trying to, you know, live stream, you know, or do the thing and I couldn't find it. And I was like, oh, I missed it, you know, and then I was like, oh, well, it's okay, you know, You know, or maybe it's just, you know, if it didn't happen, but then I get a text for my agent and my manager like, do you got an opportunity? So I found out through text, you know, but it was really, but it was really sweet. I mean, it was, yeah, I mean, it's, it's incredible.

I mean, I'm so flattered, you know, the job alone was already the gift, you know, then to be recognized by my peers is just, you know, it's really special. Was there one that you did before that you thought, was coming and it didn't come or do you not you try not to think about that you know i try not to go there you know i've been on a few shows that i've had you know like i lost you know a lot of people nominated i've never people won you know uh morning show what morning show for sure baits motel you know um i i you know and then maybe when i was it's interesting when i first started out you know you have this sort of idea of you know of the awards and this and that and i don't know how you guys feel about that.

But when I started out, it was, I mean, I remember, you know, it's just been like, again, before the internet, you know, it was like you were glued to the TV to watch the, you know, the Oscars, certainly all the actors were, the Emmys, and we're still are, still fascinated and it's still great. But the more I got into just the work of it, the work and just, and finding the work, that became the goal more than anything.

It wasn't geared towards necessarily winning a particular award, because I think that could be death to creativity. It's really about the work. It's about being truthful and trying in some small way to contribute to the story in enlightening people, perhaps about the human condition in some way. I mean, ultimately that's what we're doing. If we're doing storytelling that's meaningful and impactful,

as we're saying, or asking, at the very least, raising questions about the human condition. When you're your time on Shogun, I think it's interesting that from watching the start of your career and hearing you talk about like even commercials you booked early and them saying like, oh, you really got up the accent. Like, let's really hear your accent.

And then there was kind of that chunk of your career where we didn't hear you with any kind of accent. I'm sure that felt exciting to be able to have your voice back. But then in Shogun, we kind of come full circle. We're not only do you have to have an accent, but you have to learn a whole new other language as well. What has that been like for you? How do you feel about using your voice that way?

And do you feel differently about putting on an accent now than you did when you started? That's a great question, Roxy. I, you know, it's interesting. And I've told us to other actors and everyone's different. And you guys know how you broke into this business too. Everyone has sort of a unique experience. You know, for me it was, you know, I was coming close, you know, to certain roles when I first started out. And then I, but it was such a huge pool of actors.

I go, how can I differentiate myself or how can I narrow the market for myself? You know, and I wasn't booking national American commercials. So I said, well, I speak Spanish, you know, so maybe I can hit the Latino market, doesn't pay as well, but I just need to start working, you know. And sure enough, I was able to open up that world by, I was competing against maybe, you know, you know, 10 guys, you know, as opposed to, you know, hundreds, you know, in that market. So, so I learned, well, if I can do that here, how can I do that on the, you know, on just mainstream acting? I go, well, I can do accents. Maybe I can do foreign characters. Maybe I can break in that way. So, and again, I narrowed the market for myself in sitcoms because I was like, well, maybe I was one of a handful of guys who'd come in from either who's Italian or Spanish or, you know, whatever heritage it was.

You know, I really narrowed that market for myself and that's how I broke into sitcom. And but to your point, Roxy, you're right. After a while, I was like, well, I'm just doing accents, you know. And cast directors often would tell my agents, well, you know, he has an accent, so we really can't see him for this part. like no no he doesn't you know he's you know so so then part of the challenge for me after suddenly susan doing four years of that with an accent was i got to do something completely different without an accent so that you know i can change perception i got to murder that character um and then i was offered a show called the tick and that one and then but it was it was it was like oh no do they

want me to do an accent and sure enough they did but the character was batman well i mean how do you they know their character named Batman. Well. Yeah. So I was like, well, I'm definitely going to do this character. I don't care if it was, I mean, again, I had the time of my life on that job. And that one only went, you know, I think we did 10 episodes. But then after that, no, Roxy, to your point, I'd heard an interview with Eric McCormick about this very thing. And he says, you know, you do a role on TV, you know, and you're known for that role. And your job as an actor then is to murder that role so that you can change perception,

do something completely different. And I, you know, and so I said, I love, I love how he sort of couched it. I go. And so, so I just made a point of saying, no, I'm just going to try and do something without an accent. And coming now full circle to it is fantastic. Going back to doing it on Shogun is great because now I actually had a real coach to work with, for one thing. You know, to really nail, try and try and nail this Castilian accent. Then working with a Japanese dialect coach, you know, I'm trying to, you know, make sense of what I'm saying in Japanese. and then, you know, and then being able to avail myself of their talents to on set and saying it, particularly in Japanese, if I want to improvise, I want to throw a line to someone to hurry up and do this, how do I say that? You know, those things are, you know, I love being able to do that.

So, yeah, so it's full circle, but in the most amazing way. Well, that's, I mean, that's great all the way around us, especially the fact that, as you mentioned, when you were starting out or you were working, people just thought that that's who you were with the accent. But by the time you get to Shogun and the established career that you've already had, they're like, well, yeah, we know what Nestor can do. If we need him to do it, he can do it. And you show up in there and you do that. But you mentioned Justin Marks. I had the pleasure of actually meeting Justin Marks and working with him for a brief second when I was working at Warner Brothers. Oh, that's true.

Yeah, we had a thing that we were kind of doing. And he's a phenomenal person. I really like Justin a lot. And he's super talented and everything that he's done from Top Gun Maverick to this and everything. So I was reading a lot of stuff of what he had said And this roller coaster of season two with Shogun This roller coaster of oh they're gonna do We can't do it

There's nothing else that we'd be able to do the books It only goes to this one thing And then it's like well FX is kind of knocking on the door I guess or other people And it's like so you you hear anything about This or you just kind of like us same thing What the hell's happened with season two? I you know I'm sort of out of loop on that in that regard

I haven't talked to, you know, I can email with Justin a little bit after the nomination. He was very sweet. He reached out to me and we emailed back and forth. I congratulated him, obviously, on his tremendous, incredible work. I'm hoping to see him at the Emmys, you know, and catch up with him. But I can only imagine that because I think they picked it up for two seasons. Is that right? Yeah, two and three. Yep.

So, you know, I can only imagine what that writer's room must be like because you're absolutely right. I don't know where they're going to go with the story. and you know who knows but uh but uh i'm excited to see what he comes up with what he and rachel did was you know and i'm sure you guys agree was extraordinary the way that they focused on sort of those power dynamics within the regions those japanese regions and really exploring the chess match of what they did and where you see you know tornaga a hero playing this basically this grand master you know how just and crafted and rachel how they crafted this incredible sort of it felt like the entire season felt like a chess match

and in the most beautiful way was extraordinary so I can only wait to appreciate the following chess match because I'm sure a lot of it will be about manipulation and imagine it will be the next two seasons. You had shot in 2001 which is quite a bit of time ago is the conversation on set when you're shooting

we know this is only one season is that how everybody felt? You know, I just assumed it was. I assumed it was because, you know, the original miniseries was, you know, was that, was just a mini-series, and I figured, well, it's a book, and then there's no sequel to the book that really picks up where it leaves off. Yeah, all the other books are sort of their own entities. So I just assumed, I truly just assumed it was a mini-series.

And then, and I was hoping to do the last episode there had been talk about me coming back for episode 10, but I think they couldn't figure, you know, all the elements out at the time. So I just, you know, I just loved and enjoy the ride when I was on. But I will tell you this, though, Roxy, it was, I've never been a part of something, certainly in TV, as, as, as epic in scope, you know. So like on, we shot like at the tail end of COVID. It was still, it was post, you know, shut down is when things were starting to open up a bit. But, you know, we're in Vancouver and that their laws are pretty stringent still at the time. So we were double mask, you know, we're a master.

We had a shield, even outdoors. And it was a whole, you know, and we were tested every day naturally. but on Wednesdays and Fridays, everyone was tested. Everyone, and so I remember one Wednesday I walked in, and I was like, well, what number am I today? And they're like, you're number 1,534. Wow. And that's, so, yeah, that's how massive, you know, I mean, obviously,

every subcontractor had to come in and get tested. Anyone remotely affiliated had to get tested on those two days. And I was like, you've got to be kidding me. This many people are working in this production. Yeah. Isn't that crazy how the, if you were talking before, Nestor, with the change in the business overall, how crazy that is to even imagine that that kind of scale would happen on television. Like, like 20 years ago, you could even imagine that. I mean, I remember when Rome came out on HBO and it was like, I remember, I think it was like $100 million for that show.

And everyone was like, oh, my God, that's breaking the budget here. And that's, they were like ahead of their time and what they were doing. So, I mean, from your perspective, how different is it and the opportunities maybe? Are there more opportunities, obviously, through doing something epic and cinematic like that? How do you think it's changed? You're absolutely right, Christine. I mean, it is dramatically changed. I even remember with Lost as a pilot, you know, that pilot alone was massive.

And still, I just rewatched it long ago because I took part in the documentary, the Lost documentary, and so I wanted to rewatch the pilot. But it holds up. I mean, that thing is, it's, I mean, it's JJ Abrams, you know. But it's also, even in terms of the special effects and how big it was, it was like that that was a big deal, certainly for network, massive for network. Yeah, I mean, I still marvel at the amount of, you know, money that goes into executing these epics. You know, it is extremely Game of Thrones, obviously, you know, the other obvious one. I'm amazed by it.

I mean, you see it obviously on the bigger feature. on the, you know, the tent pole features, and I certainly got a taste of that on Dark Night and Dark Night Rises. I mean, those are, you know, their massive budgets, but you just, I've never seen that, certainly not when I started out in television, you know, 30 years ago.

It was unheard of. It's amazing, and I love that the streamers that the studios are getting behind television in this way, because we're also getting to explore characters in a more profound way. We're getting 10 episodes as opposed to two hours, you know. So you really, you're really, getting to explore all of these characters in a deeper way. So I'm glad that that many resources

have been shifted to television. So I know you don't know. And even if you did, you probably couldn't tell us about season two and three for your character. But you know that you make it out. And also, you know you're nominated for an Emmy. So I'm going to go ahead and say they would be absolute fools to not have you in both those seasons. If you are in Shogun season two and three, what are you hoping for? What do you want to see from your character? Well, thank you, Ross. I appreciate that. Listen, I would love to be in as many episodes as they'll have me, because it's, you know, obviously it's a role I just love and a show I love.

What would I love for the character to have? I mean, what I loved about the characters, he's kind of like, you know, in a fellow, he's sort of the Iago character. He's just Machiavellian character who's just conniving. He's not as smooth an operator as certainly not as Toranaaga. He's not the grandmaster, you know, chess player. But he's like the Central Park chess player, the guy who does the speed chess. You know, he's sort of shrewd and he's quick and he's that kind of thing.

And he's always looking for an angle. He's that kind of a chess player. So I want to see more of his moves. You know, he's got, he has the rudders on Blackthorn, you know, and then he's got Blackthorn to deliver to Tornaga. So he's always working an angle. I just want to see him, I want to see him, and get in more trouble, you know, and have to fight his way out of trouble. because this is a guy who is not afraid to insult everyone around him in any language because he knows his worth.

But I want him to push it to the point where, you know, he has to question whether he's going to be safe or not. You know, I'd love to see that. That's a great, great answer. I heard you mention something that I've got to bring up because I'd be so mad at myself. My audience would be mad. We've got to talk about working with Christopher Null. We've got to talk about Dark Night, got to talk about Dark Night.

So because that's coming off of or right around, yeah, it's coming off of Lost after, it's after lost. So you had really, as I mentioned to you, I had heard the journey and you get this role on lost and it kind of reignites or kind of really pushes you in the forefront of your career. And tell me about getting the role in the Dark Night and then when you're getting this role. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe your wife was was involved in Batman in some way or another too.

Am I wrong? She voiced a character in the cartoon. Inc. Okay. So she did voice over work. Okay. So yeah, we have some Batman in our family. She was Inc.

I was Batman well. I, this you'll like, maybe. I was really bad Batman when I was starting out here at a birthday party. And I remember this is like one of those, you know, one of the jobs that like a buddy of mine was doing it. He was doing it. He was doing it. He goes, yeah, they pretty well.

They tip you well. And I go, okay, great. And maybe I should give it a crack. And you got to learn balloon animals and all this stuff. And I was horrible at that party. And I almost left in tears. And they made the kids made fun of my utility. Oh, man.

Anyway, it was a disaster. So I had to somehow redeem myself. If it was a Batman, well, it's hopefully to get on one of Chris Nolan's amazing movies. But the way that worked out is I auditioned. I auditioned for Chris. I'll tell you what happened. This is actually quite interesting. And hopefully this appeals to people outside of the business as well in terms of, you know,

how things work, you know, and how life can, you know, give you care balls and unexpected surprises. But I had done a movie called Smokinacis, you know, and, and it hadn't been released, but it was a really interesting character that I'd never played before. And so then I went on and I got lost. And then while I was doing lost, yeah, I had this audition come in and it was for, you know, Chris Nolan's movie. I had like one night to work on it, you know, the next morning I was there reading for Chris and Emma, his wife and producer.

And I thought it went, okay. And, you know, but I didn't know. And then I didn't hear anything. It said, oh, well, I obviously didn't happen. And then I was in the jungle in Hawaii, in Oahu, shooting a scene with Michael Everson. And I happened to have my, it was a flip phone at the time. At my flip phone. And for whatever reason, I decided to look at it.

And it was a call from my manager. And I go, I wonder what he wants. And he's like, hey, so they want to see tape on you for Chris Nolan's movie. This is like three months after I read. And then I go, really? I go for what movie though? Because I figured it, they already shot it and whatever. And he goes, the Batman movie, the Dark Night.

And then I go, really? Wow. I thought that was gone. He goes, no. So I said, well, why didn't you see if we can get tape from Smoke and Aces from Joe Carnahan, who directed it at Universal? Because that's the most recent stuff. And so they were able to Joe Carnahan kindly was able to release those scenes to Chris Nolan. And the next day I got the off.

So it's just wild how things, you know, can work out and, you know, and went in, you know, in the most unexpected places. Okay. You go to set and I know that you said that there was this big speech and it gets dropped to you the night before. And you, but you had written, this is crazy Christian. Okay, you had written a speech because you didn't know that you were going to have. to memorize the speech. So you wrote your own speech. I have to know what you wrote because you ended up not performing that. They didn't get a speech that you perform. But you are sitting there, you write a speech, you learn this speech. What was it? What did you think you were going to say?

I thought I was just going to say something about policing and about, I forget what I wrote, but I tell you what I did do, Roxy, because I did just because I was the first scene that, I was in the first scene that they shot on the dark night. It just so happened to be the way the schedule worked out that I was first up with Anthony Michael Hall. And it was just a scene that was going to play in a TV screen in a police station. But it starts out as an interview. He's interviewing the mayor about crime in Gotham and this and that. And there was nothing on the page.

You know, it was just like, you know, there was like maybe one line or something that, you know, he asked me, whatever. And then I was like, well, I've got to say something, even though it's just being seen. And there was no dialogue written. So I just talked to Anthony and said, why do you ask me a few questions? And I wrote my own answers about how he felt about policing and, you know, and how we needed it. is, you know, more support and, you know, we were hamstrung, whatever it was. I don't know what I came up with, but I came up with stuff. So we just did this improv kind of, it felt very, it was improvisational, this interview,

and what they use, whatever they used. So I assumed when I got to my speech, when, you know, the Joker was going to shoot me, there was literally on the script, in the script, there's only one or two lines. And I figured, oh, well, okay, I'll write another, I'll write something else about, you know, policing and crime and this and that. And I just, I wish I remembered, but I'm sure it was all of it, you know, taking a hard line on crime and how we have to restore law and order. It's just basically talking points. I'm sure it was nothing riveting.

But it was just, you know, sort of like basic stuff on. And sure enough, you're absolutely right. I get, after shooting a scene, the one with the effigy that slams against the wall with, you know, shooting that scene, I go back to the hotel at night. And you're right, I get this long speech. And I go, I just, you know, I got this now. I got this tomorrow morning. This is crazy. And I do remember being up pretty late trying to, you know, memorize this and forget what else I'd written.

And then asking, God bless your Maggie Gillen Hall to run lines or to see if I was even remotely close to the speech, you know, the next day. And as we're making the walk up to the day as to the podium. And she was so sweet. But yeah, it was frightening. It was frightening. Yeah, but you know, Maggie at all? you just felt, you were just like, hey, Maggie John Hall, can you help me? Exactly.

It's like, Maggie, you don't know me, but here's my little speech. Can you just make sure that I'm on book here? Because I want to try and be off book. I don't want to have to read this. You know, so she's like, you know, she's like, yep, yep, you're good. No, she was great. Solid team. Solid team.

And speaking to that too, and anybody, every time, you know, we've had the pleasure of talking to people who've worked on that movie. And I have to ask, you know, when it comes to the legendary performance, obviously of Heath Ledger when did you know like when you're looking at that scene you're watching him do his stuff did you know you're watching something pretty special I did and I'll tell you because I didn't have much interaction with him but I did have that scene where you know I make Gordon the commissioner you know and and Heath is in you know he's in the cage and he did improvise that I remember he improvised the clapping and I go wow that's a genius

choice that it's just so on the point I go this guy's he's in it you know he's he's not performing he's he's in this character so that's you know and even when I talked to him briefly you know when I introduced myself and you know I talked him briefly you know he was very nice really polite but but I was like I could tell he was like oh he's in a headspace I'm gonna leave him alone because he's he's he's there and he's really he's really there I go fantastic you know and so yeah you could tell I mean you know you you never know with these things how they how they work out I remember you know reading the

you know his role thinking yes is magical role. What he did with it was just, as we all know, it's extraordinary. There were rumors, obviously, for a long time, that he was method on set, but you're saying when you introduced yourself, he was Heath in that moment? Oh, yeah, yeah. And he was lovely. He was sweet. And I know he, I think he was listening to quite a bit of music as well, you know, but I think he was, he was very much trying to, you know, stay within the bounds of that character as much as he could. You know, is my guess, you know. But no, he was lovely when we talked and, yeah, really, really sweet.

You know, that's what everyone else who worked with him, you know, more of an experience with him than to me. Yeah, so that they all said, yeah. Legendary character, legendary actor and legendary film. So I think that, and then you get to, you do the next one and they, and they kill you off. They get you. I know, I know, I know, they blow me up. I was like, does it have to be, I know, I might have heard this in another, I don't know,

but I do remember when they did blow me up and, and, They had one of these air cannons, you know, to simulate something. And they put a bit of, you know, my hair was pretty solid at the time because it was, I think they put a little bit of a, you know, spray on it, you know. So it wasn't moving much. So I remember, I remember Chris was like, why don't we put some stuff in the air cannon? So I was like, what are you going to put? Yeah.

And it was just like foam and stuff. Yeah. Oh, my God. I do remember thinking, like, do we have to blow me up and do we have to see any of that? Maybe he survives. He lives in a, he's like, no, this is it. It's done for you. You're over. Yeah, you've worked with some, whether it's legendary directors,

you've worked with some big, obviously other peers. And the cast in the morning crew is just, whoo. I mean, holy moly. And that goes back to what we were talking about with how things have changed today with streaming and the, because what that cast alone, talk to me a little bit about working with a cast of that size, working with the cast of that magnitude also.

And what's that like when you come up there and working with, do you ever get nervous of like, how are these people going to be? Because I think how are they going to be, their ego is going to be too big? Are they going to be welcoming? Does that ever cross your mind?

I mean, I think that cuts across every industry, right? I mean, I imagine, you know, first day in a job, first day in school, anything like that. But you're absolutely right. When you're talking about, you know, these huge stars, you know, all on ensemble, you wonder, you know, how is this going to gel?

I, especially if you don't know them. I knew Jennifer a little bit before, you know, before the show, just socially, a little bit socially. But, you know, I didn't really know anyone else in the cast at all. They're amazing, you know, they're amazing. And, you know, my experience certainly in television and film as well, but really in television, when on a show is that so the attitude is set from the top, you know, you know, and, you know, Reese and Jen have created an atmosphere where you really were all free to to try things, to experiment, to, you know, to change things if we want or suggest things. And so I never,

from day one, I always felt that freedom, which is amazing, you know, and it's obviously much more conducive to creativity from every department. So, you know, that's not always a case, you know, on every show, you know, because everyone works differently too and, you know, obviously of different personalities. That could not be a more freeing set. It is an it is an actor's dream to work on that show. You know, having said that, you're right. There's some some big players there. You know, you had Steve Carell, you know, the first two seasons and John Caham came in last season. Obviously, you know, you have Mark Duplas and Billy Crudup, you know, you have tremendous great elite. You have great actors around you, but they're all, you know, actors,

They're all there about the work, and it's all about trying to make it better, more credible, more authentic. So everyone's sort of working towards the same goal. And then the same thing goes for the crew. I mean, you know, Mimi Leader as our producing director, who's an extraordinary director, along with all our other directors, and a phenomenal writing team. And this show is created by Carrie Aaron, who I worked with on privilege of working with on Bates Motel. And now Charlotte Stout has taken over and that both of them are extraordinary powerhouses. Probably has the most star power of any show maybe we've ever seen, honestly. With some of the names you name, plus like Mindy Kaling, I mean, people pop in and out of that show like crazy.

I think when people sit at home, they think about all of these people being friends on set. Are people eating lunch together? Like, is it just like a who's of Hollywood? How does it work? That's a great question. You know, our schedules are so different. So, like, I, you know, Marianne Cotillard is, you know, join the season. you know, as is Jeremy Irons, I've only met them through Zoom on table reads so far.

You know, I hope to meet him on set. You know, I don't want to give away storylines or I like that. But, you know, it all depends on whose storyline you're in. It is a massive cast. So often, you know, I'll shoot a season and I won't see certain actors because, you know, obviously we're on different sets, you know, shooting on different days. So, but I treasure those scenes. And we've had a number of them, like a gala scene where pretty much the entire cast is there,

where we're all these moments we have had and this is fun this is like what you kind of live for as an actor is like where you're all kind of like all right you set up the shot now you got 20 minutes

while they're light and so you're all hanging out and then just swapping stories and that those are moments that I really treasure because you're getting to yeah right hang out and have lunch and talk about everyone's

like we were talking about before everyone's life experiences in the business out of the business kids no kids whatever it is those are the great moments. I mean, they don't happen every day, but like I said, on those big group scenes, I live for those.

Those are great. Well, the next time we talk, Nestor, and you wind up, do meet Mary and Cochardt, I want to hear about the stories you guys share about Dark Night Rises, because I assume, I assume, yeah. You're right, I did meet her.

I met her on the makeup chair on Dark Night Rises. I have to remind her of that. Yes, we met briefly. She had to suffer through one of my speeches. At the, you know, at the Bruce, at the main, Wayne Manor. you know, estate. But yeah, she was great. That's awesome. I wonder, because it is such a political

show, I always wonder this when I'm watching political shows. And obviously, you've spoken about, you come from a background family. I believe it was your great uncle who was just like an unbelievable hero in Cuba and was massacred because of it. You have such a political background yourself. And it's a political show, are people's politics getting involved on set? Are people talking about their opinions on certain things? You guys cover women's right to choose. You covered COVID. cover everything that's going on current day? You know, it's interesting. Not really.

No, I mean, I think we're, because we're actors. We're there for our characters. And, you know, as an actor, we're taught you have to be your character's best defense attorney. You have to defend whether you believe his or her opinions on any given issues, social or political, this is your role. This is your job. And you truly have to invest in that. So the energy is spent on that.

And, yeah, not really on. No, I don't think anybody, you know, I think people are, We're really there to honor the work, you know, as much as we can. So, yeah, we don't really get into anything like that. That would be epic, though. We're not. Probably prove the better. It's true.

Yeah, you would answer, I think you mean, you probably would answer that previous question. Like, yeah, I don't want to deal with that person ever again after that conversation. It's true. I mean, it's like, if you're not going to talk about that stuff with family, you know, you know, you're certainly not going to bring it up at work. And, no, I mean, every, you know, no, I mean, and the show is, like you said, Roxy, you know, it's, you know, it's so. topical and political as it is that you know all of those things are already out there anyway but the challenge really is just to make you know you know bring your character to

you know your character's perspective to that topic and do it justice as best you can yeah and so you've worked on some great ensemble cast obviously the one we just mentioned obviously shogun which you again congratulations on the nomination which is just so amazing i'm so happy for you but the other things that we made as we were talking about the first thing when i asked you that question earlier about it, were there roles that you thought, maybe the first show that you actually brought up, just in that conversation was lost, obviously. And from the things that you had been, how it changed your career and how that, now what you heard on Michael Rosenbaum's show for what you had said inside of that interview was that the first, it was a guest, it was a guest role.

So you do the role, you go, okay, this is cool. I got a good spot. I love the show. My wife and I love the show. We had a kind of a who's going to get the, who's going to get it first? wherever it's at first, we'll go out to dinner or whatever it might be and you do and you get get it. But then it turns into this major role. So if you can talk about that a little bit where that phone call of no, no, no, the guest, it's not a guest role because that show always, I love that show. One of my favorite shows of all time.

But it always confused me into like, they didn't have that mapped out already. They didn't have, like, Richard comes in it. They didn't, did they know Richard was coming back? Or they just didn't know or you did such a great job? they'll yeah let's bring them back um thank you i i it's a great question and and um but to answer that they they did not have everything mapped out and they're they're they're pretty open about that uh and carlton or uh damon lindloff carlkien carloper you know the the showrunners and writers creators creators they're very open about the fact that uh they knew where that it was going to start and they

knew they were there it was going to end on on jack's eye uh open on his eye close on his eye uh and everything else was sort of movable parts which was sort of freeing to them, you know, in a sense, you know. But they did map out every season, every season thematically. So there was definitely a theme to each season. And that was cohesive. But I think there were definitely moving parts all along. And I think what they, what they did is they went to what, what, what, what, what they felt was, you know, responding. I mean, they responded to whatever, whatever they felt was working on on their dailies, you know, whatever, you know, they came over. And I think they were intrigued

I imagine they were intrigued by the notion of Richard having some kind of a history with the Darm initiative and after the episode with Juliette Lewis with Juliette after he was introduced there

it was like well who is this kind of weird guy who's just killed her husband to recruit her to come on the island what is what is you know what's that about and do we and how do we bring him back you know, if that was in the past, how does he sort of materialize? And I think it was just sort of a, I benefited from the fact that it was a very eerie and

mysterious storyline. And I was, there's no question about that, that part of that was certainly not me. It was just the fact that my character is shrouded in mystery. And it only became more of a mystery as we discovered that he didn't seem to age. And then it was like, at that point, I thought, you know, maybe I might be here a little bit longer because at some point they'll have to explain that, you know. And so, so the more mystery he was shrouded in, the more I thought, I think I have a chance of living a little longer than I thought. And, and lo and behold, you know, that that's kind of what happened. This is also a career

where like any career, you need to make a living and provide for your family, though. And when you're on a show and right now, you're like, how long am I here? I don't know how this is going and you have to take other opportunities. Is that something that you just are like, okay, my team will deal with that? Or when you're on set, are you dropping hints, like make me a regular already? Come on. I'm here all of the time. I, you know, it's a great, it's a great point. I think, you know, typically, you know, that's, you know, your representatives, your agent, your manager, those are the things that they typically handle. But, and then you try and just focus on the work and do the best job you can. I think with, with loss it was a unique case because like you know christian night you both pointed out you know

they didn't necessarily know where it was going and so you know to their you know in their defense it's not like they were like we can't make your regular well they can't because they really genuinely didn't know where that character was going they hadn't fully mapped it out um but once they started you know seeing that they're well you know people responding to this character then you know we can and sort of you know as much you know as as we can and see how we do as as we go along But with Lost, you're absolutely right, Roxy. It came to the point there was one time where I was like, I got to know, you know, I've kids now in school, you know, we got, you know, I've got to provide for the family.

You know, pilot season's coming up, you know, do I do a pilot? You know, I don't have a deal with Lost. I just sort of, I just show up when they call me. And so I did have to sort of roll the dice. And I did a pilot one year called Kane for CBS. And that's exactly what happened. And we let ABC know, hey, listen, I'm going to do a pilot, but I won't do it if you give me a commitment. And they're like, we don't honestly know where it's going.

And we said, fair enough, let's roll the dice, but I had to provide for the family. So I did that pilot. And then I remember doing that pilot going back on loss when they did call me, you know, and they said, hey, they said, you did a pilot. I go, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's about, you know, about a Cuban American family in Palm Beach. And I remember one of the guys said, oh, wait a minute. Is it about the, no, that's not going to go. It's not going to get picked up.

You know, whatever it was, whatever the rationale was. And sure enough, it got picked up. But I did say, please don't kill my character off. You know, okay, now I want to come back. That won't get picked up. It got picked up. And then I do remember going to the TCA's and having to field questions from a number of reporters about, like, what's going to happen?

Because you didn't die on lost and you're doing 13 episodes of Kane. And then I go, look, in a perfect world, you know, it's up to the powers I'd be, but I would love to be able to do both. And sure enough, I only did, I ended up doing 13 episodes of that show. And then, and then not long after that, I had a deal with loss. Yeah, and I think that goes to, you know, just from speaking to you this last 50 minutes or so, is it's the attitude, I think, that you're bringing forward to the positivity and those types of things. I'm sure that that all adds into it. I got to do what I have to do.

I have to provide for my family, but I also want to work with you guys. you're open and honest. And it also, I think, though, goes back to what we said a little while ago with how different the business is back, like, because back then, that was one of the reasons I think it wasn't mapped out is because it was network television.

And I think when you have that many episodes, you look at something, like look at the comparison, look at Shogun. Shogun knew exactly where it was going, knew it was going to be based off a book, put on this service where it's like, and even how FX has changed with putting stuff up into what you talked about before

and how epic of a show that they could do because FX is putting out quality stuff right now between this, the fair. I mean, just quality stuff. So good. So good. And so what they're doing and then you look at, they're going to give you a commitment, obviously, because they know what's happening in the story. So that's got to also, same question from before.

It's got to be the change in the way that things work because of Lost is made today. I bet you it's 10 episodes on a streaming platform and they know exactly where your character is going. You're absolutely right. There's no question that the game has changed. You know, network was different. You know, I think they responded to often focus groups, how your character tested, that kind of thing. The only thing that did change was the advent of social media

was kind of starting really Twitter. All of that started with lost right around that time. And that definitely played into what characters came back, how social media was responding to each character. I think, you know, I think that certainly was a game changer for sure. I know that was a case also on Syke when I worked on site that Twitter, I think essentially was one of the things that they were really active on Twitter. And that helped establish a really strong fan base for them, too, as social media did at the time.

So, yeah, things have certainly changed. As the game has changed, one of the things that we see now every day as a new prequel or sequel is announced. Do you think that there is room for more with Lost? I hope so. I really do. I, you know, I love, I mean, that world was so magical. I love how they played with time, you know, how they, how they played with characters.

You know, I mean, you really got to, you know, I mean, a full in-depth look at every character. I hope that there is room for that. I just don't know if there's the appetite for, you know, for that for Damon and for Carlton. I hope there is because I can only imagine all the actors would be game for that. I mean, I would think. But I hope so. I hope so. You know, they'd have to be convinced.

I don't know. I don't know how you convince them to come back. You have to go back. We have to go back. We have to go back. Perfect. Perfect. And I think that, you know, speaking of how you mentioned beforehand when it was lost or

Batman or things that you kind of wanted to do and projects that you were interested in, even before, you know, you worked on them. Is there stuff out there now? And especially, and I guess, like, relating it into, Shogun with the success that you've had on this show and the and the rightful praise that you've been getting for your work in this role. Have you been getting opportunities for other projects that you're like, oh, I don't know if I would have gotten that call two years ago, but I got it now and I'm very interested in it. Absolutely. There's a few things I could say in some. I can't yet. But yeah,

I've been very fortunate, you know, to have had a number of opportunities come my way and Now just trying to assess, you know, how to navigate, which is a great problem to have, mind you, as we all know, in this business where it's, it feels like feaster famine a lot of the time. So, yeah, and I'm so grateful. Again, you know, like you guys pointed out, we shot this three years ago. And I remember loving that experience like, like, I mean, it was just beyond words, the experience. And then, but I remember thinking, okay, well, you know, I almost, you know, I had to put it aside mentally because I had to focus on. the present. And then for it to come back in the way that it has come back and certainly get the reception is just has been extraordinary. So yeah, no, thank you, Christian. To your point,

it's definitely opened up doors. I'm so grateful for that. And to be honest with you, I'm grateful for any, any job I get. And that goes for, you know, the smallest of jobs to the biggest of jobs, because, you know, what we get to do is special in the sense. I mean, we get to play pretend. We get to tell stories, hopefully that have an impact on people. And, you know, you can't take that for granted. I mean, it's a unique thing. Yeah, and Roxie, I let you close it out with, I just want to do a follow-up to that real quick,

where similar to what you just said with loss, when you were like, hey, listen, I need to figure out, am I on this thing or not? Because I got out opportunities. And now, with these other opportunities, do you tell FX, do you tell them, hey, listen, are we doing Shogun season two, or are we not?

Because I got Marvel knocking on the door. I got D.C. knocking on the door. I got Star Wars? I mean, what's the, what do you say there? I mean, I honestly, to me, my focus has always been just, you know, focus on the work, you know, focus on things that I can, you know, have some control over, which is my creative output. And the other stuff is quite beyond my control. I mean, you know, my representatives, you know, they sort of weigh the options and they,

they present the options to me and my wife would both make the decisions together. And, you know, because it affects our family naturally. So, but, but really the focus, all I can do is focus on trying to, you know, execute the, you know, the work that I have before me as much as I can. You know, I leave that to smarter minds, you know. You described it as Feaster Fam, and I think that's a really good way to describe it. Recently, I thought that I booked a role. I did book it.

Then something happened where the director just didn't like my voice. and I had thought I had it. They didn't like my voice. I ended up getting the call that I didn't get it. And then I ended up listening to your interview where you were talking about having a job, you go to a table read, and then after the table read,

you no longer had that job. And so that you feel like you are constant, you have to audition for the roles that you even already have booked, which is frustrating in the famine part. But is there anything that from that, like anything that you're really glad that you ultimately didn't,

end up booking because the universe or whatever ended up making way for the things that did work for you? You know, it's such a great question. Thank you for sharing that. I know it's painful to share those moments, you know. Believe me. I know. You know, if we all stick around in this business long enough, you're going to get your lumps,

you know. But I feel like that those lumps, you know, as long as you allow them to affect you in a sense that say, okay, well, there's nothing I could have done about this X, Y, and Z changing this person's opinion. But as long as you find some energy behind getting yourself back up from that experience to fight another day and say, okay, well, you know, some of this is subjective. You know, I may be so-and-so's cup of tea, but so-and-so really just doesn't like me. And maybe it's just a taste thing, whatever it is, you can't control that. You got to move on. And I think for me the most grounding thing you know even lately has been you know focus on how we can all you know we're all in this entertainment business together you know if we can somehow explain something about the human condition anything we do whether it's you know whether it's your amazing show you're you know that you have right now you know talking about issues that affect everyone even beyond entertainment actually or you know or being part of a show or film that will say you're you know

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What a, what a wonderful way to end the episode here with Nestor. Thank you so much for joining us. And congratulations again. You guys are amazing. Thank you for this. This is, I really appreciate this. And it's just wonderful. I love talking to you.

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Roxy, how wonderful was that? He's so cool. You said it. I'm glad that you did in the interview, by the way, we were like, and you called them out in a nice way and said, hey, you did. It was so nice to you, like, you were asking questions about us. That was very nice. And not only did he ask questions.

He did research, too. I know. He was like, I was looking into you guys. And I was like, ah, it is so. wild that he does that. He's just clearly, because you know, Christian, if I have off strength, it's research. Like, I love to know people. I love people.

I love to do my research and learn about people. So when I'm talking to somebody who mirrors me, it's so interesting. I'm just like, whoa. So you really, you know me, you care, you spend time on this? It's just a cool effing feeling. And he does it everywhere he is. It's why he's probably just not. only reason, but it's why people like him. He's such a massive star. Well, he's just, he's,

he's genuine. And you can tell. And he brings that out to, in his performances, he brings it out in conversation. It was a pleasure to talk to him. It went by super fast. Could have probably talked to him for another hour because we did, we, we barely scratched the surface of his career. But we got a chance to talk about Shogun, obviously, which is what we wanted to talk about. We talked about the Dark Night, which is obviously what I wanted to talk about. You talked about the morning show. We talked about Lost, lost, which I think, everybody wanted us to ask him about. So it was, they even mentioned psych. Like it was,

that was cool. He's worked on so many amazing things. So much. So much. It was one of the, not that I don't feel like with a lot of people we could talk for longer, but there was, it was one of the only times when I look at the clock and I'm like, oh my God, we're at 55 minutes. And I genuinely think that we could have had him for three hours and not run out of things to talk about. Because. Easily. Yeah, he's just done so much stuff. And his answers are so, he understands. what we're doing. Like, even if I would ask a question and he was like,

I can't really give you what you're asking for, but I'm going to give you something that the people are going to like. Yeah. And it was like, yeah, you get this. You get how to give people information about what you're doing. That's really cool for them. Yeah, because it's beneficial to him. We put a clip out on the channel and people click on it and to look at,

oh, what is he talking about with loss? It's like, oh, what's he always dominated? Oh, Shogun. I'm going to go check that out and watch it on FX. And it's like this. He's smart. And it's a good, it was a really fun conversation. I'm glad we did it.

So I'd love to hear your comments, man. Put your comments in there about Nestor. What did you think of the interview? As we continue on with the supersized episode of the big thing, we're going to close out with this. Roxy, one of the things he was impressed with and what we're all impressed is how much freaking TV you watch. I think he was scared.

I think he was afraid. Maybe. He was like 120, holy. Yeah, maybe. So there's stuff that you're watching. Tell me, what's the first thing? Bachelorette, man. Oh, gosh, broke my heart this week because somebody left.

And it wasn't even who Jen was into, but then she had a whole spiral session. Like, am I not good enough for anybody? And I was like, girl, no, come on. You weren't even that into him. Like, we got to put on our big girl pants right now. And she did. I really like this season. I really like the couple of guys on the show.

Some of them are so fratty and douchy are going to be perfect on Paradise. So I'm looking forward to that all. So, but I used to think that she wasn't going to be that entertaining because she's just so genuine and sweet. And I think the entertaining part is that you just, you want her to find her person. You know, that's the part that is entertaining that you like her. So it's a good season. All right. So then moving on from Bachelorette, which is still, that show's going to be on until we're long dead.

So I told you I've been slowly watching slow horses because of the Emmys. And I was like, all right, this show's nominated for a ton. I got to watch. Watch season one. Okay. I watched season two. Okay. I was like, it's a little slow, but then the finale, the final two minutes of every episode,

have a big thing. Literally the big thing. Season three, I have one episode left. Season three is so effing good. Really? I don't know if everybody feels this way because I'm not watching with the people, but I was not blown away by one and two. How many seasons?

This is the one that's nominated. Season three is the most recent. season and it's coming back, I think, in a month or two or something for four. Season three is so good. The cast is just now dialed in. I understand the tone. The pacing isn't bothering me anymore because I care so much about the characters that even when it's slow, I'm living with them. So I don't know.

Maybe that's why this show is getting nominations now. Maybe everybody felt that way about season three. But I've just been sitting here like, what are you guys all talking about? I guess because you care. Maybe they roped you in because you care so much because you watch season one and two. You care so much about three. Possibly. I don't think it's a ringing endorsement for a show where it's like,

just get through the first two seasons. But I haven't heard that, though. From everybody else that I've heard is that they love this all three seasons. Like my friend David Gambino swears by this show. Yeah, everyone I talked to too. My manager you met, he's like, what are you talking about? Slow Horses is the best. Season three, I am finally like this show is really good.

I've been wanting to watch it. It's no show gun, but it's good. I've been wanting to watch it. And so maybe I will. Did I tell you what I did what you did? I watched three seasons of the umbrella academy in a, but basically less, about a week.

How are you feeling? I really like the show a lot. Yeah, my interview with David Castaneda actually drops tomorrow. In Caps and Cows. We're going to put it in Caps and Cows about the upcoming fourth season. What enough? I've been blessed, man.

We were getting some good people. Like, but I don't just mean like people that it's like, oh, well, what a good guess that is. I mean, I like talking to these people.

Yeah, yeah, that is always better when you're cool. 100%. All right, next one. You haven't seen the House of the Dragon finale? I have not. Oh, Christian. Yeah, I know.

Like, what am I supposed to do with you? Did I just tell you that I watched three seasons of the umbrella academy? I can't even look at you right now. Did I just tell you that I watched three seasons the umbrella? Did I just tell you that I watched three seasons the umbrella academy? So everybody is, a lot of people were disappointed in this finale. Yeah, that's what I heard. The penultimate episode was stellar.

The finale is a little more lackluster. But still really good. And I love the politics of this show. So we're wheeling and dealing and setting up for season four. I think people are just exhausted right now of the boys' entire season setting up for next season. The bare entire season setting up for next season. And now House of the Dragon finale setting up for next season, I think people want payoff. And those three shows coming back to back to back having those nerdy audiences where all of them were really more set up.

I think people were just like, screw you house with the dragon. But I loved it. So I'm not with the people. Okay. Fair enough. I'll let you know when I see it. Next one is... To What to Handel had a finale.

Listen, I can't believe I did some research afterwards. Christian, do you care if I spoil this one for you? Oh, I care so much. I don't care. Yes. So the two couples that were left, they're still together. And this show wrapped seven months ago. That's the most success that this show has ever had.

listen one girl won $25,000 just for keeping it in her pants that's a lot of money to keep it in your pants nobody gives me money for keeping it in my pants you can i've really kept it in my pants i should be a millionaire uh and then the couple that won i thought they were really cute together so yeah i'm super i'm into this show it i don't it doesn't make any sense that these people every time they make out with each other they lose $6,000 what is wrong with you guys stupid assholes stupid assholes but It's fun to watch. Of course. All right.

Finishing it up. I watched the pilot of my lady Jane. I did this little watch along for the World Girls. And I forgot to tell you about it. Yeah. And I really liked it. I'm going to binge it this week. So I'm telling you guys now so that in case you want to watch with me so I can talk about

it next week. But I thought it was really good. It kind of is giving the great vibes. It's like an alternate twist on history. So this apparently this lady Jane girl in real history. She was beheaded. And this show is like, but what if she wasn't?

Oh, okay. And she's a little rebel girl. So she's fun to watch, but it's a little more mystical than that. There are creatures and stuff. And I like the pilot, so I'm going to watch the show. Well, there you go.

That's a good thing to go into this weekend for all the TV picks. Roxy. This was a supersized episode. And we got, yeah, we got your Shogun peeps. We got your Shogun peeps. We got your little,

see, you thought Shogun was completely out of your life. It isn't. I didn't think that. I knew Shogun wasn't going to be. Christian, I wanted to say this to him, and I didn't. I feel like I'm owed a massive thank you from FX and everybody over at Shogun because I don't shut the fuck up about the show. Yeah, you're the only person because of you.

I know I'm not the only person, but I really feel like I was on board so early. And I didn't shut up. And I called everybody. You got to watch the show. It was you and Roka, the two that kept talking about it. I wouldn't shut up. Steph, too. Steph, too.

Steph was very mad at me that I didn't. didn't watch it for so long. Yeah, Steph was like on top of this and she's not usually the TV girl. So I called everyone. I mean my siblings, my grandparents, my, I meet everyone watch the show. I love the show. So basically you're welcome. You're welcome.

Well, thank you, Roxy. Well, thank you guys for watching the show. Really appreciate it. Love to hear your thoughts. If you want to see some of the clipouts from not only this interview that we had with Nestor, we're also going to be doing, we have clipouts from all the interviews that we did on the new Christian Harloff Clips channel that. You can just go.

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Roxy, where can they find you? Everywhere at Roxy Stryor. Simple, to the point. All right. Thanks for joining us here today. Again, thank you to Nestor. Thank you to you guys. We'll see you on the flip side, everybody.

See you back tomorrow for Capes and Cows. and our special interview on that super-sized show will be David Castaneda from the Umbrella Academy talking about season four, and it's going to be a good one, so check it out. All right, thank you to Roxy. Here we go. Bye.

See you. Where is it? I got it? Oh, yeah, I found it. Here it is.