The Kristian Harloff Show - Are We still getting the big Star Wars Crossover Event with Thrawn?

Episode Date: February 3, 2023

So much to discuss today. It is a full fan question day. There are some great ones! Will the Star Wars Crossover event announced at 2020 still happen? What will the tone of the new films be? Will Obi-Wan season 2 happen, should it? Bad Batch thoughts in general. This and more on this solo episode of Big Thing Sith Council with Kristian Harloff #tarWars #thrawn #TheAcolyte #Movies  TICKETS FOR HARLOFF, ALBA AND CAMPEA HERE: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/an-evening-with-campea-harloff-alba-tickets-532169702907 BETTER HELP: This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp: Visit http://www.BetterHelp.com/bigthing today to get 10% off your first month. ATHLETIC GREENS: http://www.athleticgreens.com/bigthing TICKETS FOR BRETT AND HARLOFF STAND UP FEB 13th HERE: https://www.flapperscomedy.com/shows/jake-lewis-and-friends/69239/ OUR MERCH STORE IS LIVE: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/the-big-thing-kh-channel?ref_id=27393 AMAZON WISHLIST: https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/1KPH42T0TP0PG?ref=cm_sw_em_r_un_un_djbxgIW5ZQMMg PATREON: http://www.patreon.com/thebigthingshow SCHMOEDOWN ARCHIVE CHANNEL: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheMovieTriviaSchmoedownArchives Ask Kristian questions for next time! https://facebook.com/harloff OTHER GREAT CONTENT: REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT368qY7sfE0nKE4c04CqGvu TV REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT1LU-t2Z9AD5UJDiWW4pS_E STAR WARS SHOW https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT0XmfpbblkF9PY7uO2qhbN6 THE BIG THING PODCAST https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT3KAwbzDsv6mdR-gwUiydQg FOLLOW KRISTIAN + FIND HIM ON CAMEO https://cameo.com/kristianharloff https://twitter.com/kristianharloff https://facebook.com/harloff https://instagram.com/kristianharloff Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

How's it going, everybody? Welcome to the Thursday episode of The Big Thing, but today is going to be Sith Council. Big thing, Sith Council today. And there's a lot of different things. Who's going to play Thrawn? More on Bad Batch and the Star Wars movies, The Mandalorian coming up around the corner. We had a Katie Sackoff interview coming up here. Lots. And all of that, most of it, is going to be generated from fan questions. Today is going to be a lot of Q&A stuff. and it's just going to be me by my lonesome here, answering all the wonderful questions that you guys sent in, whether it was the YouTube community page or on my Facebook page. So if you've submitted a question,

I hope that, again, I can't get to everybody's question, but I picked a whole bunch of good ones. I left a lot of good ones off the table, unfortunately, because there were so many. So I thank you guys for all that. So we're going to get started in just a little minute. If you didn't know that, by the way, that we're on video now on Spotify,

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But this is the big thing. This is Sith Council. Let's do it, everybody. You ready? I'm ready. Let's do it. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to Sith Council. I'm me, Christian Harlov. Nice to join you today.

Steph and Mike, not here this week. Mike was on my, um, big thing episode of the special when we did on Tuesday with all the DC stuff. It's pretty great. You're an opportunity. You want to go check out that episode with myself and Mike. Steph has the week off. Let's be back next week. Um, so I decided this week we're going to do a whole bunch of questions from you guys. And as we get ready for the big kind of Star Wars boom that's coming with the Mandalorian. And yesterday I posted a clip of Katie Sackoff reacting to the Mandalorian poster that was released. And people were like, well, where's that interview?

Now, we shot the whole thing yesterday. It was myself, Katie, and Brett. It's a really good episode. It's great. I can't wait for you guys to see it. But Katie and I were talking and we're like, you know, what we're going to do is we're going to wait to release it until that Monday before the Mandalorian comes out. more people will be searching for Mandalorian,

more people will be looking for stuff from the cast, and it just makes more sense instead of it getting buried now. So look forward to that one, because it's really, really good. She came in and we talked, and then she's going to come back after the show is done, and we're going to do a full spoiler discussion with her. That's already on the books, in the works, all that.

All right, before we get started on your questions, because there are a lot of really, really good ones. I've got to tell you about two things. One, look at this, an evening with Camp be a Harlov finale, but just announced. That's going to be on February 19th Sunday, the Flappers Comedy Club. And it's the three of us. It's going to start out with some comedy.

And it'll most likely, most likely be Kate Mulligan hosting, have somebody kind of come up in between, and then I'm going to close out, do like 15, 20 minutes leading into a big show with the three of us where we'll be talking about Ant Man quantumania and like a spoiler discussion. So obviously go see that movie and then come sit down with us, have a couple of drinks, have some laughs, and it's going to be great. And I think that what we're trying to do here, well, let me tell you in a second we're trying to do.

And then let me also tell you about this one. This is also at Flappers, but the week prior, earlier, rather, February 13th at 8 p.m., myself and Brett Sheridan, will be on the Jake Lewis show. There's a link in the description for discounted tickets for you guys if you want to get them. and that's pure stand-up. That's going to be on the 13th.

So you can come check us out on both of those if you like. But again, that's the 13th and then the 19th with myself, Greg, and John. It's going to be a lot of fun. Now, as far as that Greg and John show, because we were talking about it, now, if we can get every, if you guys all come and support it, and you're, I mean, obviously, you're able to if you're in the California area, The goal is to look at that show and say, hey, this worked out pretty well. We enjoyed what we were doing, and maybe we'll do another one in L.A.

And if then that goes well, maybe we'll take it on the road. So if you're able to, come check it out, come see what you think. And then we'll take it from there. It's going to be exciting. John's going to be talking about on his show. And Greg's obviously going to be talking about it in his show. So pumped, pumped to get this going. All right.

So let's get to it, ladies and gentlemen. Let's start. I'm ready. You ready? Okay, cool. Let's get to some questions. The first being from Mark Sith. I like that.

Does Ewan McGregor know more about Kenobi, too, than he is letting on? He has a history of doing this. Well, it's tricky when it comes to a history of doing this. Because when he was asked, you know, about the, the movie in the first place. It was still talked and he really, really hadn't signed on anything. And then he signed on to a movie, but then the movie was canceled because they panicked about Solo,

which was stupid, two very different things instead of, look at the data. They don't want, they don't legacy characters. That's not, that's the stupidest thing ever. Now,

I'm still happy that it was a TV show. People are saying, like, don't you wish now after seeing what happened, don't you wish it was a movie rather than a TV show? No, I just wish it was better. writing on the TV show. And there's a lot of stuff on the TV show, by the way, that I did like. I just think that had the writing been better and they had put a little.

So it's still very weird to me that they, and you guys know how much I love Andor. It's bizarre that they put more money into Andor than they put into Obi-One. That makes no sense to me. It makes no sense. And it showed. And I get it. They were also dealing with pandemic and COVID and the COVID pandemic and all that stuff. that they have to kind of maneuver through.

And it wasn't easy, but there was a lot of stuff I think could have been avoided. Nonetheless, as far as number two goes, look, for people who are going, oh, we don't need a number two. It depends on what the second one is, because I've said that as well. It depends on what the second one is.

Now, because make no mistakes about it, that show did very well for them streaming-wise. I mean, my point about how the difference of putting out something of like an unknown, own Han Solo movie. Who is that? As opposed to, oh,

you and Murray is coming back as Obi-Wan. And it's Obi-1. And that's why it did so well TV-TV-wise. Even when you didn't like it, you still watched it. And you watched it because you wanted to see where it was going to go and all that. Now, the question is with season two,

would they actually, you know, sometimes creators and production companies listen? Or, I shouldn't say listen, pay attention to what worked and what did, And sometimes they like to stick their feet in the mud and say, nope, we're, we're really, we really believe in this particular thing, even if it didn't work. And we're going to continue down that particular road and follow that tone. If they, if they do a second season, I hope they do some alterations to it.

I hope to change it up. Do I think, I mean, I do think business wise, it would make sense for them to do a season two. Am I excited about a season two? Not necessarily, but I could also change my tune very fast. after going, well, look, they made some changes, and this show is fantastic. Look what they did. They jumped back into some,

they de-aged him for certain teams, and they did some Clone Wars missions with him and Anakin, and they did some other things. And, you know, they showed the actual backstory of how he was taken. It was like an origin story of Obi-Wan, of how he became a Jedi, show him kind of training. There was some de-aging stuff with him and Liam Neeson,

of an adventure for the week with Quigon and Obi-Wan, but it was taken a little bit more serious, and it looked like more high production. I'm going to change my tune pretty fast because it's still Obi-Wan, and they can change some things, and I think you keep Vader out of it. I think that that's where they would automatically panic and going, oh, my God, we got to put Vader in it. We've got to put Vader in it, otherwise no one's going to watch it.

And you guys, again, most of you might know, I was a big advocate that Vader should have been in the first season. I still think that it should have been the main focus of the first season. But either way. So no, I don't know if he's necessarily, I mean, I'm sure he knows more than obviously we do. He's been taking meetings, having conversations about whether it's going to happen, how it's going to happen.

They probably want to put the right. If I'm Ewan McGregor, I'm going, look, every time I put a freaking Star Wars thing out, the same thing happens. It's like everybody, nobody's going to say his performance wasn't good. He was fantastic. He was great as he's great as Obi-W-W-W-W-W-W-E. It's just, it still was, it wasn't as divisive as when the prequel's first came out. I think there's definitely more people.

who like the show then don't like the show. I know there's a lot of criticisms for the show for sure, but I don't think it can be argued that, you know, if you were going to do a poll and say, all right, there's three Star Wars shows come out in 2022, and there are Andor, Obi-Wan and Boba-Fet, before any of them came out, I guarantee you that I would have put a poll in that community tab

and said, out of these shows, two questions, right? Question one, what are you looking forward to the most? It would be Obi-Wan, it would be, Boba Fett, it would be Andor. Those would be the three results. I would bet a lot of money on that for sure. The second question is, what shows do you think will be the best out of the three of these? Again, it would be Obi-Wan, it would be Boba-Fet, it would be Andor. Now, if you asked after they have aired, what are the best out of this? And I have asked that question, and this was the result. Andor, Obi-Won, Boba-Fet.

right and in no world should that be the answer it just shouldn't um it it should be hopefully they change it um okay let's see so that's uh thank you for that question mark let's get to the next one here and that would be from daniel brein daniel brein thoughts on the delay of the jedi survivor game i personally would rather game developers give more time for people to polish games before the release so there's less crunch time. Yeah, so there was a delay in the Jedi Survivor game, and it's only about, I think, a couple weeks. I don't know if it's necessarily about the,

I mean, they said that, I think inside of that report, they said that they want to fix a couple things that people had issues with. And one of the things, I think it was aimed towards me about falling off cliffs and all that. I mean, I'm excited about that, about how to respawn and do that. And I'm sure that's true.

But I also think it might have something to do with the fact that it's coming out, I think, after or right before the end of Mandalorian, I think that they're spacing things out to kind of link up. It also comes out right around the same time as celebration so they can play, so they can play into celebration with the release. So I think that there's probably a little bit more to it than just fixing the game, which I don't think that they're lying.

I just think that there's more to it than just that. And I think that that's fine. If it was like I'd be more concerned of it was six months, seven months, eight months, a couple weeks, who cares? I mean, I don't think complaining about that is silly. if it's a couple of weeks. You're like, what, I mean, I get it. EA and they've, they've had a few mishaps, more than a few mishaps,

but it's like, if it's, if it comes out to be because of strategy of when they're releasing it from Mandalorian and then also celebration and a few other things here, and there's other variables that are going with it, a couple weeks, who cares? It's not a big deal. Okay. Next question. Next question. This one is coming from Brian Shirtcliffe.

Is that just from Brian also? No, last one was from Daniel. This one's from Brian Shirkcliffe. How do you not geek out when you interview awesome celebrities? Who's to say I don't? But I think that there are certain ways that you can do it, right? I mean, I think I started the, sometimes I started with the fact that, you know, I'm geeking out, right? Because I think that's true to, well, it's also true.

It shows you that it's genuine, right? because you know if I'm sitting there talking about Andor for the whole freaking time that I got an interview with Diego Luna. I'm going to get out. I'm excited talking about you know. And I bring that. But I don't let it interfere with the conversation because it's like that same thing you say. Like people are people are people.

And the one thing that I always bring up, but I know he's kind of gotten himself into trouble in the last couple of months, but see him punk. I've always had good conversations with Phil every time I've talked to him. And I think the reason he likes talking to me is because when he came in and I asked him this thing about, and I've talked to you guys about this one, and he came in and I asked him out if he was, he hadn't announced yet that he was on,

um, he was doing something for WWE on the, uh, like that after show. And I, I asked him if you went in and he's like, he paused and he goes, yeah,

I went in for it. And it was like this breaking thing. It got like a million views or whatever it did on, on Collider. And he said, you know why I told you that? I said, why he's,

because you talk to me like a person. And I was like, okay, it's just conversation. And I said, that's to me, that's, that's,

that's, that it's you can still be a fan people you can still be you know like when you watch that interview i did with andrew riceborough i was like that movie choked me up and it brought out a lot of kind of memories for me so like when i i don't let my emotions hide from it but i also try to like have pure conversations the same way i would if i if i didn't if i if i knew them well you know the same way i would talk to i mean there's more familiarity sometimes like you'll see it in the katy interview like we goof around with her for a long time. She has a great, great rant on parenthood.

It's hilarious. I mean, it's hilarious. But I think that's because she's comfortable with us, right? But yeah, that's, it's just different because of the relationship also. But I think that that's what I like to do. And when I interviewed Harrison Ford, the same thing. I walked in and I was like, oh, my God, it's Harrison Ford. But you got to just go, I'm just going to talk to this, man, with respect.

But as a human being. I think that's the goal. That's the goal. Okay, next one. Thank you for that question. Michael, Flashpolar, is this the darkest period of Disney Star Wars? I feel like after Acolyte and Skeleton crew,

there are no plans and there's going to be a dry year before Star Wars can reorganize. Oh, no, I don't agree with that at all. I don't agree with that at all. If you're talking movies, I mean, look, we're in 2023 here. So Ackleide and Skelete, so Ackleit's not this year.

Remember, Acklite's, 2024. So you're, and so is the end of season two. At least that's what I think they're going to announce at Star Wars celebration. There's, this is not a dry period at all or a darker, darker period. You've got this, this, right, this year, I think someone brings this up a little later. There are, there's consistent Star Wars programming on from now until the end of the year.

I think there's only like a couple of weeks in between where you're not going to have Star Wars programming. You've got, um, bad batch on right now. you're going to have the Mandalorian. Visions, I think, is coming out this year, I think. But you've got Asoka, you got Skeleton Crew. So this year is pumped full of it, right? And then next year, you're going to get the accolite.

You're going to get Andor Season 2. And maybe something else that we'll get an announcement for at celebration with some other maybe a new Tales of the Jedi. Who knows? Something is going to come out in 2024. 2025 is supposed to be the release of the new movie. And we'll probably get an announcement for that celebration. So this is,

I disagree entirely. I think this is the start of like, kind of like the new, if they do it right, golden error with a plant. Yeah, I don't, I actually think the complete opposite.

I think that right now, after the shows I was just talking about where Boba Fett and Obi-Wan didn't deliver in the way that you kind of hope that they would, the goal and fingers crossed is that Mandalorian season three is really going to deliver. And then that links in to also Asoka, which is essentially the next season of Rebels. And then you got Skeleton Crew also leads into this whole kind of cross-event thing that they're talking about anyway.

So that alone is a big period for, I mean, 2023 should be huge for Star Wars. And then if Ag-Lyte delivers, that's four shows potentially boom, boom, boom, boom. And then who knows? And then if Andor season two, I mean, yeah, they're pushing heavy. and then you'll get some news about this film. If they don't, then you're going to seriously drop the ball. They have to tell you something about movies soon. And it's probably going to be at Star Wars Celebration.

That's the big, that's the big, I mean, that's what they should do. I think. All right. Louis, Louie R, do you believe that TV shows have overtaken movies in importance when it comes to Star Wars? More TV shows are being announced while the movies are still in the dark with no direction. Now, this I agree with. because of a lot of different variables, a lot of different things, right? So the first part of it is the TV shows, for the most part,

and I know that I've been saying this like forever, and a lot of people do, but the TV shows have a plan. Even the TV shows that have one season and it doesn't necessarily connect something like Andor, it's got a full season and a plan from start to finish. And the same thing with Obi-Wi-Wan, same thing with Boba-Fad.

They have a plan. And the movies right now are, I mean, as far as we know, they're still scattered and there was no particular plan. I think that now they're starting to formulate a plan and then they're going to try to put into, you know, put into play the same way that the TV shows are. But that's the reason why you feel like that and why it's accurate is because it's also what I just say in the last question. You know, we have consistent Star Wars stuff coming out that are telling stories and you even have this whole plan with the Flonie Favreau universe that's connecting. And you're more invested into it because you have stuff to be invested to. And all you hear is, well, Lindelof might be doing a movie. He is doing a movie.

But we don't know what it is yet. Daisy Ridley might be in it. She might not be in it. It could take place after this. We don't really know yet. And that's on purpose. They don't want to tell anybody until, you know, they have, I think it's smart. to wait and say, okay, now this is actually, we're actually filming soon.

And this is our cast. If they do that and they, that's, that makes it real as opposed to, well, we want to do this movie. This is Patty Jenkins and she's doing this movie. This movie's coming out and it's going to come out and it's going to come out at the end of 2023. But we don't have anybody cast yet. We don't have anything.

We don't even know what's filming yet. But here she is with her helmet on and in an X wing. So that means it's going to happen. That doesn't mean Jack, obviously. But if they say, hey, we, we, this is our cast. this is our movie, this is when it's taking place, the script's done, we're shooting, we started shooting, and this is what's

going to happen, this is our plan. That's the way to go. And then it starts to be like, okay, well, now the TV obviously knows what it's doing, and now the films seem to know what it's doing. I think they've got to learn from their past mistakes of going, if they're going to do a trilogy, and I don't think that they are, but if they were going to do a trilogy,

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Let's move on. Let's keep going with the questions. Questions. You got question? I got a question. Okay, what is it? Clinton, Clinton, Tingler. What tone do you think the first new film will take?

The tone of Andor or the tone of the Mandalorian? I mean, I think there could be a blend inside of that because the tone of Andor, now there's a difference between tone of Andor and subject matter of Andor, right? Because I can see, and I also get the criticism when people go, I like to see, I mean, I like my Star Wars with more of a, you know,

a sprinkle of space opera and this. Andor doesn't really have that. Andrew's a political thriller set in the Star Wars world and it covers one pocket. I like that. I also love the Mandalorian because the Mandalorian covers all of it. I don't think you can do the pocket for your first film out the gate.

I think you've got to do space opera Star Wars because the difference, and this is what I say all the time, this is why I always push back against people, go, well, Andrew didn't do very well. Andrew is doing very well now because there's a ton of people who heard about, they already subscribed to Disney Plus, they didn't give a crap about it when it came out. and then they heard how good it was and then they go back and watch it.

It's the same reason any movie does good on HBO or Showtime or whatever too because people heard about it in the theater, they didn't get a chance to see it and then they see it. And the difference if you're subscribed to this service, why wouldn't you watch it? It's been happening all the time. It's why Andor continues to go up in the streaming thing. But it's completely different with movies.

If you made something like Andor in a movie and, you know, people weren't excited about it. It doesn't matter the difference with movies is once it's out of the theater and it doesn't hit that opening weekend, dead duck. So you've got to market to your big strength, and that's the problem with the movie in general, right? So you've got to say, all right, we got to go space hopper. We've got to go this. Now, it should, I hope, have a balance of really good writing and not just spectacle,

because that's the problem. You don't want to just make Star Wars popcorn stuff because that's why Star Wars is special. It's not, it shouldn't just be a popcorn movie. It shouldn't. And that's why, I mean, still, Empire Shacks Back is still my first. favorite movie of all time because it's more than just a than just a popcorn movie. It's got a lot of layers to it. It's got a lot of great character development to it. It's got a lot of spirituality to it. It's got it's got tons of stuff in it. And I hope that they can do that with the new movie. And if they

do, they can set up, because what the new movie can do is it also sets up, if you set it up, if the first movie is just awesome and sets up new characters and sets up new lore in a new period of Star Wars, becomes rich. And it also allows you to say, okay, look, you know who was really popular was that side character? They love that particular character, but we don't know what to do with them. What about a side story about them on Disney Plus, like a television show? Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's not a bad idea. And what if it follows their adventures of this? And then that can tie into maybe something that happens in the second film. And that's the beauty of it. Because right now we're kind of locked into the original trilogy is really where we're playing for the most part,

minus like the Acoly. You look at every series, the first series, the Mandalorian right after Jedi and the events of what happened in Jedi. Obi-1 is, Obi-1 is, Obi-1's kind of prequels into, you know, pre-cles into the, into New Hope. so it's like right before, a little bit kind of leading into New Hope, whatever, it's like, what's it, 15 years or something before? or I don't know, 10 years I can't remember.

Either way. It's like that, so same thing, playing into that area that we know, the prequels in the original trilogy, Boba Fett, same thing right after Jedi, Mandalorian, all this stuff. There's nothing, the only one is Acklei, which explores about 100 years before,

or whatever it might be. So to explore past, way past Jedi and past the sequel trilogy, I think it's a good thing to do, because you play in this whole new area. Okay. Let's keep going. Next question.

That would be, sorry, sorry, sorry. Wait, did I do that already? I'm sorry. Oh, what an idiot I am. I apologize. It's okay. All right, so this is from Francisco Matalania. Hey, Christian, is 2020, is 2025 too soon for a new Star Wars movie?

I think 2030 would be a smarter date to let the anticipation bill? up 20-30? I don't know, man. You got to think about this if you're Disney. I mean, they were probably Chapak when he was in there was probably sweating every day. What is happening? Why don't we have any Star Wars movies? You buy Star Wars, you know, remember at one point, they were talking about doing Star Wars movies once a year. And people were always talking about how crazy that was. And look at they're doing TV shows. It's not. It's so easy to say it when it's like Monday, or it's, I don't know, whether it's a Monday morning quarterback,

whatever, because the difference is this. Now, Marvel does it and, well, Marvel is established. Yeah, that's right. You got to get yourself more established. And I don't mean, Star Wars, obviously, an established brand,

but established as far as confidence from the fan base. If they would have made, if all of those movies would have been, like, fantastic, like, so great. And just an amazing, amazing, amazing,

set of films. Then, and it continued on a universe and started popping off side characters and the same type of thing. People wouldn't have cared if it was twice. I mean, again, people still, there's always going to be that conversation. Like there's conversation. And I brought up the day, like is there superhero fatigue, right? Those movies still, people are, yeah, I'm tired of superhero movies.

I'm tired of it. You might be. But general public says, nope, because they're still pumping out, well, Black Panther didn't do as well as normally. It made $800 million. It didn't cost a billion. It made $800 billion. That's a lot of money. So did Dr. Strange. Which that movie I didn't really care for. And Thor did well, too, which I don't like it all. And so people are still, and I think, I do think there's a lot of Marvel stuff to keep up with now, too. I'm going to see, I'm bringing my daughter to see Ant Man. And like, we had to, like, it was like homework to, like, get her

to watch all the stuff leading up so she's not lost going into it. But it's still working. So my point of all that is that Star Wars can, if done right, come out once a year. But not now. And not for a while. Not for a while. Right now it should be get the first movie right. Because that's why the smart move was saying, no, no, no. Stop saying Tycho Atiti's movie is coming out at the end of 2022 or 2023.

Stop saying that. Because that's not going to happen. 20 was it 20 what I think she said 22 22 23 I can't remember when she said it probably 2023 stop saying that that's that's the first thing and they stop saying that um you that guy stretched too thin he has too many things happening and it's not the right tone to go into what you're about to do you got to change it up and you got to set the moment so I think 2025 is perfect because they need Disney needs to make money Disney needs to make what are you talking about they need to make money they're making money all the time they need to make more because they have a lot of

is Disney Plus and a lot of these streaming services are not profitable. And they need to make some cash. So I think that with Star Wars coming back in 2025, it's a good move. Anything before that would be a pretty big mistake. All right. Let's see. Keep going here. Next question.

Daniel, do you think the bad batch could be canceled once this season has concluded? Absolutely nobody seems to be talking about this show. show and I personally know nobody who watches it. I myself watched the first four episodes and I bailed on it. I despite really enjoying episode three, it just hasn't grabbed me and I feel many people are in a similar boat. What are your thoughts? Canceled is a good question because I don't know how it ends yet.

I think I've only had an opportunity to watch, I think they're 14 episodes, I think there's 16. They only sent 14 of them unless I looked at it wrong and didn't realize that they sent the other two. And there are something like this episode with with the, with the wookie, the Jedi. I thought it was a good episode. There's episodes that they do like this that really work.

But it's the side. I think that they were relying too much that everybody was kind of like the, like this serialized kind of, you know, adventure of the week sometimes, overall story the other times. And I think that's why they lost people like yourself

where it's just like, yeah, I'm just not as invested because the clones are cool, but like what are they really doing? Here we go. He's another side mission. There's another thing that it's just, yeah it's it's now the question is what do kids think about it how is how is it how is it landing with

kids i don't know the answer to that question i don't know also the metrics of success that it takes for a show like that to stay on the air like how what do the ratings need to be like for a show like that as opposed to something like an and or or an obi one or you know what i mean it's like you got to know going into it there's a significant change um in numbers, I mean, even when Chappak was a part of it, and they said that asinine thing about how, you know, that once the kids go to sleep, the parents turn off the cartoons, there's no more, like, basically insinuating that adults didn't like animation. And if that's what the head of the studio was seeing at the time, they probably didn't give

it, they probably, when they announced bad batch, he's probably like, eh, that's something that was going on during the Iger era. I don't know. It doesn't, as long as it does this, who cares? and I don't know. I don't know. I didn't think they needed a season two, to be honest with you. But they did.

I don't know what the metrics of success is, and I don't know how it ends yet. So there could be a definitive answer to your question once the season ends. Like, oh, well, there's no way they can do another season. Or they can leave it open. I think that Flonny loves these characters. I think Flonie was attached to them,

and this is a project he wanted to get off the ground, and he did. But I would have, I mean, with a lot of people, people would have definitely preferred having, you know, a Tales of the Jedi series or Tales in the Sith series or anything different than Bad Bad Bad for 16 episodes each season. It's like, I don't know.

I watch it. And like I said, I thought this was a good episode. And I thought it was a good little history lesson and showing the idea of the fight that they had to do of being on Kashik and all that. I liked that. I mean, this episode was really good. There's some really good episodes this season.

I just think the problem is it gets lost with the side mission stories that happen quite often on the show. But yeah, I don't know. I don't know if it'll get canceled yet because I don't know how well it's doing. It doesn't matter if, you know, it depends on the people you're talking to or you said that, you know, no one I know is watching it. Are the animation fans? We're just Star Wars fans because just Star Wars fans probably not watch it.

I don't know. I don't know. Michael Flashpol again. How do we know that this Lindelof movie is happening? How can it be different than the other failed movies? I mean, I think that I kind of covered that inside of it. I think we're going to find out a celebration that it's happening and how can it be different is you just got to have that plan. That's it.

Ed. Ed Harold. Hey, Christian, good morning. They just announced Star Wars Vision season two is back. May 4th. What are you hoping to see? If anything, all new stories, continuation of some stories from season one. And by honest, when is that interview with Katie dropping?

Okay, so I kind of addressed that in the beginning. as far as the Katie interview, that's going to drop on February 27th, which is that Monday leading into the Mandalorian. So that will be when that drops. As far as visions go, I think it's a combination of both. I think you're going to get some new stories that they tell, and that I think there's going to be some continuation to some of the ones that we liked and some characters that we liked.

I think that this is, they've got, they have a leg up on other stories because they're not beholden to anything, and it's like, it's essentially legends on TV. Right? The legend series of books, they can do whatever the hell they want. It doesn't play in the can. And they can do some fun adventures. They can do whatever they want. And if they wanted to, they can even make it like a what if series, which it could kind of be in a certain aspect. I don't know if they're allowed to play with certain characters or not. But either way, the way that they're playing into it. Visions was, I mean, because I wasn't necessarily excited about it. Vision's turned out to be something that was really special. I liked it a lot. And I'm looking forward to season two because of how much I like season one. So I think it's, and again, and again, again, going back into the fact that even though it's not necessarily a canon-based show, it is still another Star Wars thing you got this year. Bad Batch, Mandelorian, Visions, Asoka, Skeleton Crew. I mean, that's five Star Wars things this year alone.

So it's pretty great. All right. Keeping it going, man. Keeping it going. We got this one's from Pierre. I'm not Pierre. at Disney Investor Day 2020, a Star Wars TV series crossover was announced.

I did see someone, Miguel Fernandez actually sent me this because I had said a handful of times I wondered if they were going to do something like this. And apparently I glossed over it when Kennedy mentioned it at that event. It's probably the same link that you just put here. And she does say it.

She said that it'll lead us a cross-or. I think that she obviously just reading from, I don't even think she knew what it was. She's kind of reading from a teleprompter. But with Rangers of the New Republic canceled, which series do you think this will include? I think that's already been answered. I think it's skeleton crew. I think skeleton crew was created because they had that series.

The Gina Carrano stuff happened. They were going to lead with her, and it was going to all kind of play in. And then they said, okay, well, what do we do here? And then Watts and Favreau are pretty tight. They probably got to talk. And he's like, look, I need something to fill this void. I need something that kind of that this is where our story was going with the new new Rangers thing and it needed to play into this big event that we're going to do with

Thron and all this stuff. He's like, well, I got an idea I could do this. What if we did this? And you need to see it in the room probably that's where it develops because skeleton crew came out of nowhere and then no one even talked about New Rangers anymore. So I think that that's exactly what happened. I think that I think that's exactly what it's going to be. I think it's the skeleton crew and this far as this crossover. I still think the crossover event's still happening. And I think that it all plays together. into the unknown regions. And I hope it would be amazing

the crossover event. If they actually adapted the, you know, the, the Zon trilogy, but did it in a way that they could adapt it. Obviously, it's legends, but they can take stuff. There's some stuff they're going to have to change for canon, I mean, to make it make sense with current canon.

But I think adapt that and say that it's going to be the, whatever, the air of the empire and all that, him coming back in this big, huge event. It could be something. It could be something interesting, but we'll see how it plays. Okay, let's go to the next question.

Thank you again, Pierre, for that one. And now we go to Charlie Upton. Bad Batch episode six is my favorite so far. I feel like this episode could be a great movie. It gave me Avatar vibes. Definitely. What are your thoughts with Star Wars shows not making Nielsen's 2020 streaming chart?

Is Star Wars still a big thing in pop culture, or do we need better shows and stories? I think there's a lot of different answers. First of all, I agree with you. I think this is one of the better episodes of Bad Batch. And no, not just because I had to deal with the Jedi inside of the Wookie. It was a nice callback to bring him back from the Clone Wars and so that he survived it and kind of the trauma that he's kind of gone through.

And it did have Avatar vibes for sure, like this kind of rebellion against it and watching the Bad Batch help. And I thought it was great. It was a good way to use him. And it's, yeah, I thought it was pretty emotional as well. So that part of it, I agree. As far as it not being included, I mean, there's a lot of different shows out there right now. I'm surprised like, I'm surprised as far as the Nielsen stuff that Obi-Wan,

because like I said, it did fairly well from what I heard. But as compared to other shows, whether it's House of the Dragon or these other things, I don't know. As far as your last question goes inside of that of, you know, do we need better shows and stories? Of course we do. Of course. Because I think that that's the trick is this. The trick is, I think that rightfully so, Dave Filoni really plays into the mantra of George Lucas,

that Star Wars primarily has always been for kids, right? And that's, and I get that. I understand that. And I think that there should be times that that is 100% true. But I also think with evolution of a brand and IP, you can do things like Andor. And you can do that's, that's not a show. that's not a show for eight, nine-year-olds. They're going to get bored with that.

They're going to get bored with it because they have to pay attention to everything being said. And it's not just pew-pue and all that stuff too. And there are some, I shouldn't say that all eight and nine-year-olds, I wouldn't like it, but it's just not aimed for them. Where I think that the problem with something like, there are scenes inside of Obi-Wan that were really fantastic. And even though I don't really understand why Obi-Wan wasn't burned, that whole scene with him and Vader and them fighting and the kind of devastation and

all that I think that like that's a little bit more and and Vader cracking necks and killing people like that was that was pretty brutal right and and there was stuff that that show did well but then you and I know I bring it up all the time but then you get that scene with Leia running around in the woods and flee and his bumbling buffoon boffoons are tripping over leaves and falling over rocks and it looked like a set I mean like it's like stuff. like that. It's like you, you've got to pay attention to that stuff if you want to be taken serious inside of it to go, well, wow. I mean, Andrew was nominated for awards. And I know Mandalorian was too. So you've got both Mandalorian and both the two best shows, arguably,

in what they're doing in Star Wars right now. So putting all that effort, work, good writing, good directing, that's one of the things that Mandalorian really, really has is the amount of the direction and you get a that was put into it and I was we when Katie's on we talk about Bryce Dallas Howard a lot and her approach and how she does it so I think it's kind of a combination of all of it um all right before we move on I wanted to let you guys know also uh as we've been talking about this entire week very excited to be working with better help this episode is sponsored by better help give online therapy a try at betterhelp.com slash big thing and get on your way to being your best self.

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Sorry. With D.C. planning its reboot. Are there any current actors in the D.C.E.U. that you think would be a perfect for a role in a Star Wars I'd like to see both Galgadote and Henry Cavill be in Star Wars I think they both could do some great stuff in Star Wars love to see either one as Jedi slash Sith or something else be great I'd love to have them in there I think that somebody needs to snatch

Cavill up for sure that's like that's a big free agent out there in sports terms it's like the person who whether it's you know whoever might be whether it's Bond if it's Star Wars, if it's Marvel, someone's going to snatch them up. I think they've got to do it quick because it'll be a big splash if they do it. I don't know. I mean, I don't know. We'll see. Okay, keeping them going.

Keeping it going. Next question here from A plus. More phenomenal. Have you kept up with the High Republic novels and what have you thought about them so far? I have not caught up with them. And I think that this is the same thing that I've had I've had this conversation many times over,

and I think we talked about it recently when we started talking about how important it is for canon. I'm not saying that they should do it, but how important it is for canon with the K2SO and or meeting. I don't feel, and some people will do he shouldn't have to. I don't feel that Tony Gilroy necessarily has to follow the comics of Andor and Cassian,

but if he doesn't, Canon shouldn't be taken seriously anymore in Star Wars because it's just like you're reading, it's canon until it isn't. And so that's not what really was pitched. And if you look at like, and I think this is the perfect example now because the big reference is like James Gunn.

James Gunn's talking about how this narrative and everything he's talking about with video games, animation, and the movies are all going to, and video games, the TV shows are all going to play into one-name narrative that they're telling inside the DCU. Now, if there was something that they said about Star Wars, look, there are certain

side stories that are going to be kind of outside of the current narrative, but this set, the High Republic, this, this, this is all going to play into this full narrative, this high republic thing, this show, this, so all of it makes sense to play into it, then you're like, okay, maybe I, then I want to get invested in this because I want to know what's going on. I, besides Darth Bain and, like, the Plagueist thing and the Thrawn trilogy, like those are just side stories that I really like. I was really reading all the current stuff because I wanted to learn more about, like,

the actual history, like the same way that when you read about, like, in Game of Thrones, you're reading about the history of what happened in Westeros, right? I wanted to actually read about the history of how, but now it's like, well, that's not really the history. It could be. It might be. But if the director doesn't like it, not the history. That character might show up, but it's not going to be the same way. We told you it was going to be the same way, but it's not.

That's some people read it for very, I mean, some people just read the High Republic and go, look, I just love the stories. And that's fantastic. And that's their goal and that's what they want. And if that's what you like it for, then you should absolutely invest. And I've heard good things about it. But I'm not investing in it anymore. So, no, I haven't, I haven't checked out. I kind of bailed on Canon stuff a little while ago because,

it's not why it's just not what I like to read him for. Okay. So the next question, Nick Baskam, assuming that Moff Gideon will still be in the new Republic custody, do we think we'll be introduced to a new Big Bad in Mando season three? Yeah, I think there's going to be a lot of stuff going on. I think he comes back. I think he's going to have a big role to play,

and he's going to be a pain in the ass again, for sure. But I do think there'll be other obstacles that Dinn's got to deal with. I think Bocatan's going to be a pain in the ass for him as well, trying to get that dark saber. And that has nothing to do with any conversation. She didn't tell me, Jack, on any conversation that we had. She didn't tell me anything. And I was like, hey, I was talking to her.

And I was like, and I actually see me in the interview as I'm talking to her. I'm like, I want to ask you this, but I also don't want to get you in trouble. Because we're going to see the show soon. So I feel like she's going to be a pain in the ass for him. But it just depends on what they're going to do with her. her character overall. But the big bad, it'd probably be Moff Gideon and then, yeah, I think we'll get some more, we'll get somebody else introduced.

I think we will. And I think that, you know, is it going to play into any of this stuff that's happening in this big crossover event with Thrawn? I don't know. It's interesting, though. Okay. Richard Genge. So we know what's coming up on Disney Plus in the next few years.

You got Mando season 3 and 4, Akelet, Skeleton Crew, Asoka, Season 1, and 2. I don't know. Oh, excuse, sorry. sorry, Asoka and or two. Others like Lando will not happen, I think. Do you think that it'll be for streaming for a few years that they concentrate on so-called three films due to financial reasons? There's more to be made from cinema.

Personally, I love the story to continue somehow with episodes 10, 11, and 12, with a very different story but still connected, which is what I think all the shows will do, connect everything from the films to then continue. I think that I agree with you that they should, that's ultimately what I was saying beforehand, right, was that I think that what they should do inside of this new movie, see how the first one plays.

Do not announce you doing 10, 11, and 12. Because you're setting yourself up if you don't have a full plan on it. You don't have the production plan and the treatment and all that, and they're not. Kennedy cannot get away from that thing of the hot director of the week and how movies usually are made and the idea of, you just can't do it. She's got, she's got, she's got a old school mentality for it.

And I think that old school mentality is going to work for Indiana Jones. It has not worked for Star Wars films. And I think that it's, because I've been in that studio system. We're like, who's got, so-and-so's coming off that hot movie. We've got this thing sitting on the shelf. Bring them in, let them do that. And then we've got this other thing sitting on the shelf. Let's do that.

But that's not with the way that the narrative of what they're trying to do, if they're trying to connect all these things. Now it's different if they bring in. Well, Lindelof really has been talking about this for a while. Let's set up this movie. Let's put this movie out. Let's see how it does. And then we read the audience.

We read the test audiences. We read people who have seen it. We see what's popping. We see which characters are making an impact. And then we can develop a show, you know, partially on it. Or they have a full treatment. I don't know.

but it's yeah it's it's interesting man I think that they're going to concentrate on TV because it's the most solid right now and as far as I don't know how it's going to connect to TV and all that because they've got it they've got to connect TV shows to these movies as well if they're going to do it so yeah it's it's a very interesting time for Star Wars for sure this is a make a break for them in movies Russell Withamint given Marvel's one-off specials like Guardian the Galaxy and Werewolf by Night would you like to see Star Wars go this route

maybe make a bunch of one-off stories of various characters set in the Star Wars universe. Not yet because it's the same thing. Because I think the difference with Marvel is, Marvel has the full kind of narrative to when they put it out. You're like, okay, this is a narrative of characters, guardians, for example, right, that have been set in two movies, successful movies, and they're out there and their characters that we know, and those characters also showed up in game in Infinity War.

So you're familiar with them. And like, okay, that's a fun one-off special. I'll follow them, right? The Werewolf by Night, again, it's this thing that they did, like a one-off special because they've done so many different things. And now they're adding, like, the supernatural element after years and years of years of other established stuff. Star Wars and movies and the overall through line and timeline is in disarray. So start doing like these one-off things right now. They got to, they got to focus on their plan in general. At least that's my thought on it.

Okay. Next one. David Lozano. Do you think there is more delay, we talked about this kind of, on Jedi Survivor that were being told. I think a little bit, nothing too nefarious,

but I think something, you know, just along the lines of, just along the lines of, because of where they want to put it out. Maybe the initial thing wasn't where they wanted to put it because of celebration, this other stuff, and they thought, maybe we'll push it back a couple of weeks,

plus we can kind of iron out some of the kinks. Callum, do you think we could get a Ray TV series two, given that the character, given, excuse me, to give that character more development if she's supposed to be in the Damon Lindelof movie. Perhaps. It just, it depends. There's no, there's no, people are just speculating that she's going to be in that Lindelof movie.

I don't know. She might not be. She might not be. She might be in something else or she might be just in a TV series. I think that, I mean, we've been burnt by this statement a lot, but you might or you should anyway get more information at Star Wars Celebration. Like that should be the place where they really, really like steal the headlines

for the weekend. I think sometimes they do these presentations and they have an opportunity to steal the weekend and they don't do it. Showing Willow at a Star Wars celebration. I get showing a D23, that makes a lot of sense. Well, because it's Lucasfilm, but it's not called Lucasfilm celebration. It's called Star Wars Celebration.

I never understood that pushback. I was like, oh, they showed, why are they shown Willow at the Star Wars announcement panel? Well, they want to promote it. It's Lucasfilm. But it's not called Lucasfilm Celebration. It's called Star Wars Celebration. And you're like, like no, like I still said, there's no word of the accolite. Now you can, the accolite's going to be heavily focused on.

And I know getting closer to it, but there's not even a mention of that show. Now there's going to be. Now there's like set photos and all that kind of stuff. But it's just kind of baffling to me. You know, it's, it's not run wonderfully over there. I'll tell you that with a, when they could make, And it's not just Star Wars Celebration. Comic-Conn's and all these things, too.

I still think maybe it's just kind of like the showman in me. I don't know, but it's like I still think a lot of these things are still so like, I don't know, just vanilla sometimes. Here's a panel. Here's a host. And they come out and there's the celebrity. What was it like working with this person? Oh, what's it with this person?

Hi. Oh, that's a funny joke. Okay. And now we've reached the last seven minutes. Here's a trailer for the thing we've been talking about for 50 minutes. Give me a show. Give me a show. You know, that's the stuff that I'd like to see.

And that's not just Star Wars. That's all of it. It's all of it. There's money that goes into it. That's the problem. I, let's see. I'm going to do two more. Austin H.

Which Star Wars TV approach do you see be more popular in the near future? Mando or Andor? You got a more popular, Mando. I mean, because it's, again, it's space opera. It's more of what everybody wants. And, you know, you're going to get those people who are just like, this isn't Star Wars because there's no pupeu. And it's like, that's not.

And I'm not telling you that if you didn't like Ando, that's the only thing. But I think, but there was a lot of that. Like, what are you talking about? This isn't Star Wars. Like, it's totally Star Wars. They might not be the Star Wars that you enjoy. And I think that more people like the,

the Mando approach of it, which again, being up front, Mando is my favorite out of all of it, out of all of it. And anything that's been done since 2000, since, I mean, Mando is my, right after, after Jedi. I mean, I still say Mando's probably, depending, season two, depending on watching it again, it's in that area for me, the Mando series. And then Rogue One and then some of the prequel stuff,

and then the new trilogy kind of falls towards the end. but yeah so I think that you can it depends I think they should play I think they should blend with it and I think that locations by the way should be a thing that a blend with with the volume and not go full volume like some of these other shows like I think Obi-1 and Bobo front went full volume for the most part last question here Bruce Crawford do you think that din and bocatan will fight for the dark saber this third season um so we did that reaction with katy where she saw it and the first thing she said is she goes, get your hands off my dark saver. And I was like, and I was like, hmm, does that mean that they're really going after it?

I think so. You know, I didn't press her on it. But she, that was their first reaction. And I said, maybe. I think it will be. And I think that if I was to guess, I'd probably say, you know, they're probably going to, they're probably going to battle for most of the season. And we'll see as she's either going to go dark side or lights side.

I will see. fingers crossed on either. it's Katie. So I always root for her. All right, everybody. Thank you guys so much for joining us on the show here today. If you haven't already done it, do me a favor and subscribe to the channel. We're getting close.

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