The Kristian Harloff Show - Avengers: Doomsday MASSIVE MCU Rumors! Vision, Hulking, Lady Death & More!

Episode Date: April 30, 2025

On today's show, we discussed the upcoming rumors for the Avengers: Doomsday movie. What will it mean? How will Thunderbolts* do in the overall box office? Strong reviews could push it to a higher box office than projected. How will it fare? New reports have the Sgt. Rock DCU movie might be canceled? Or is it just postponed? Liv Morgan has been casting a film, is it Spider-Man is it something else? Kristian Harloff and John Rocha discuss. #WWE #Marvel #Spider-Man #Wrestling #Avengers #Doomsday #Thunderbolt #DCU #SgtRock  STITCH FIX: Make style easy—get started today at https://www.StitchFix.com/KHS  

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and whatnot oh i'm on the air so we are talking about doomsday stuff man there's some more updates on doomsday what's happening with doomsday what kind of inspiration's going to happen how's it going to tie in and thunderbolts and other things and speaking of thunderbolts there's a new projection on what that's going to do as far as box office goes um and then um there's some other stuff too live morgan john so behind the eight ball in this one so behind she's a major star huge star and you know he he said she's terrible and then no one should watch her and i said i disagree i think she's going to be one of the biggest stories ever he said that's just because you think she's hot i said maybe so but she's also going to be in a big huge movie what's the

movie. We don't know. So I'll have to figure that out. Um, Sergeant Rock. Remember when that movie is supposed to happen? Apparently it is not going to happen with Luca at least. So that and more. Somebody told me they don't watch my intro. Good. Then I can tell you to shove it up your ass and you didn't hear it. So that's what I just did for the person doesn't watch the intro. You didn't hear me tell you to go shove it up your ass. So that and more on this special Wednesday show. with me and John Roker. That's right.

I don't know if that's inappropriate. I don't care. Here we go. Welcome back to the show here on Wednesday. Joining me on the show, he's usually hosting the show on Wednesdays, but I said, hey, I can make this work. You can go a little later. He said, I can. And so he's here. Ladies and gentlemen, John Roker is here. What's up, John? Hello. My lawyers are going to reach out to you for lies,

libel and slander. Slander? Slender, by what? but what you know you misrepresented my points of views on a few things here in your intro but we'll get to them as we go along no no i am you always like to meet yourself the hero everything and i'm the villain well that's not true that's not my channel that is definitely true that's why you don't go on my that's exactly right that's exactly right always always the hero never the villain happy wednesday everybody that's right happy wednesday to all we got a lot to discuss man it's

It's funny because right before we got on the air, you know, you sent me that I assume we're going to be talking about this. Yeah. Yeah, of course we're talking about this. And that is the story of Sergeant Rock. Now, look, why do you something to things? Why are you rushing things? What's the deal with the super chats? What do we got to beat?

Did I win yesterday or did someone get, did Roxy get better than me yesterday? Of course, Roxy did better than you. God, damn it. Of course she did. Well, if you would have waited, I would have told you, but I have to go, look. Roxy currently stands at 151. That is insane. Yeah, that is also because Crystal returned.

Oh, yeah, Crystal. So, Derek, Johnson, if you're out there, 152. He was there yesterday. Is the goal, 160, Derek. Come on. Yeah. He's putting in five there. Anyway.

Yep. Someone asked me if I still stand by, Andrew being the best thing Disney, Star Wars is released, by a thousand percent. Yes. Yeah, it was the last three episodes were incredible, but even gets better. The next three are just the best out of all of them. If you don't like the next three episodes, you just don't understand good television.

That's all it is. Well, yeah, I agree. All right, let's go to the next one. Let's do it. And that's this one. And that is, of course, Guadagnino, how do you say? Goodingino. Guadonino, yeah.

Close, Guadonino. Sergeant Rock has been canceled. What, what? What? Celebrated filmmaker Luca Guadardino film his adaptation of the DC comics title, Sergeant Rock, is officially dead. The Holly Reporter reports of the project was in pre-production ahead of a planned shoot in England this summer. Now, though, the project will no longer move forward. Colin Farrell was slated to play the World War II soldier and hero, and Mike Faced, who worked with Guadino on challengers, was lined up for a role, likely one of the men of easy company.

also supposedly lined up for one was alien romola star david johnson the and then someone just said it's apparently the follow-up to this has just come out that it's not canceled so we'll see the role of a female french resistance fighter has also been set but it's not clear who was going to play also not clear is why exactly the project has been shut down the one source says the scheduling needs of shooting outdoors played an issue despite being a cost-effective 70 million Lucas' lack of experience in action films might have played a part. Justin Kuritzke's has penned the film in which a race is on to nab the mystical spear of destiny before the Nazis retreat. Meanwhile, another DC project, Clayface film will begin shooting in October.

So let's see. Do we have an update that it is not? Are you looking at that up right now to see if it was not? I'm looking at that right now. I don't see anything that. is saying it's it's back on but we keep looking real quick because i'm you know you guys if you if you're going to counter stuff that we bring up when i'm speaking just from me i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know but like give us an article or site where you found that it's uh back on if

it's contradicting deadline someone someone just said it right now it's reportedly said to begin filming next summer says deadline i did see that though in the report that it was that sergeant rock was still going to start filming i did see that and then this report's it okay so they've halted production plans right but they are now eyeing a summer 2026 right right that's right that's you sent me so does that mean that luca is in or out no it uh i don't know if it means lucas in or out sources and you know with scouting locations the studio is far down the line uh doesn't seem to say that guadino guadino is out but uh maybe but i if isn't that what attracted you to begin with so maybe even colin farrell might be out if he's not

going to be working with Guadonino in this I think that's probably well yeah that was probably yeah but that's let me go this out I should have gone it's funny we asked like where you found that information it was literally the thing that you sent me um and that was deadline and that's that it is now eyeing a summer 2026 production start and so yeah that's been has halted this has halted the other one said canceled film was supposed to enter production we're now told it'll hold to shoot next summer so you and so you and say the ultimate shooting the summer was unattainable and the team would have to rush through it. Okay, so these are two different stories.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Rock News comes as a shock as a film was greenlit months ago, but someone says that it was never greenlit. Yeah, it was. It was greenlit months ago, was $65 million budget and was planned to shoot this August. Sources, post of the projects say that he was skyed in locations last week, and the studio was far down the line with the alien Romance to breakout start David Johnson

to join Farrell. Okay, so that's a little bit of the similar story. And Sergeant Rock, World War II, yeah, yeah, yada. Okay, so, you know, we'll see the release of his soon to be Oscar nominated after the hunt. His, let's see, when do you think Julia's going to be nominated? Yes, I do. I think the whole movie is going to have a lot of, a lot of heat behind it. But, okay, so there's two stories here, John.

Story one is, and I'm glad that we read both because I would have different opinions for, if it was canceled, I said, what the hell's going on? Right. Canceled means you put out them. You say there's a movie. You get this director. That director is gone. Now it's not happening. Colin Farrell, you had him and now he's gone.

And it's like, why announce these? Why have my greenlight these and not be able to hold it together? I'd say there might be an issue. But postponed? Postponed happens all the time. Scheduling other things. It's like, postponed is fine. It's okay.

He was looking at locations. We looked at it. We said, is it, how relevant is it for us to get this thing out? Do we need to get it out? This is one of the benefits DC has of not having to be in that narrative of we get this movie out now because it helps tell the next story. They're part of the overall canon, but it doesn't necessarily push forward the stuff that's happening with Superman and other things too. It's just something that happened inside of this universe. So you're like, okay, look, we don't need to rush this.

Luke is going to be available to do it next summer. Colin's going to be available next summer. We're going to get David to do it. Let's do it. So I'm going to go by the deadline article, and I'm going to say this is, no big deal. Okay. Why do you think it's no big deal that they would halt production on something that they were looking at here doing next? They've just, they're wrapping up Supergirl real soon. If they haven't wrapped up already, they'll probably do some post production stuff. But like,

what's the next movie? Because this seems like to have been the next movie. Oh, Clayface, right. Clayface versus, I don't know, it's an interesting situation. Guadanino directing Colin Farrell, who is your flavor of the month right now with DC and what he did in Penguin, do you think they wanted a bit of distance from penguin having just finished? Or do you think this means clearly that Matt Reeves, the penguin, all of that universe might be getting done, might be done. And so they think they have more time now with Colin Farrell. There's no rush to put this in motion. These are all the thoughts that come into my head, right? And look, it could be very simply, we're just delaying it.

We didn't, we couldn't make it work this summer. We'll wait till next summer. But do you pay Guadena and Colin for able to stay hooked to the project through an entire year before you start shooting again? I don't know. So there's a lot of questions with all of this, I think,

beyond just the fact that it's delayed, what are the reasons for its delay beyond maybe they felt it was too short of a timetable? I don't know. That's more than of fair questions. There's a lot of fair questions in there, but I don't but if the answer ultimately is we want a more time we want a more time to give this plus the fact here's another thing let's say that I'm right let's say that after the hunt wins an Oscar let's say that everybody involved get Oscar and then you go hey guess who's uh guess who's direct in Sergeant Rock Oscar nominated Oscar winning right you know Luca so if they think maybe maybe they have an inside track on it and they see this thing's gonna clean up and like I said I think the most important thing is because it's a $70 million

budget, it allows them to say, how important is, do we have to get this out? No one's clamoring for a Sergeant Rock movie. Right. It's not like, oh my God, we need a Sergeant Rock movie. What's going to bring people to it is, you're going to see the trailer, you're going to see Colin Farrell. And

like I said, if he wins the Oscar, the fancy title of Oscar winning director, Luca up there. And then, you know, it's just, to me, it doesn't, it's not like, one of these big, huge movies, like when Blade gets thrown back or the Batman, we're just talking about. Those keep getting pushed, those keep getting moved. They go, it's not good. What keeps happening? But first time, one move with Sergeant Rock,

now it happens the second time. If it's like, okay, it's supposed to start shooting in, what, 2026, whatever, and then it's like, oh, actually, we lost Luca, we're going somewhere else. It's like, what's happening? What is happening? He's like, you win me over. If it's one, one push and you get the guys that you say you're going to get, I don't care about one delay. Right, right. So some of the, so culture crave has put out something interesting.

The DC loves the script. Scheduling is reportedly the main issue because it requires a ton of exterior shots. And then the film will be reassessed at the end of the year for a potential summer 2026 shoot. And that's quoting THR and the rap. So, Yeah, it could just very well be like they felt it was too much at this point because Guadena was scouting locations last week.

Maybe they realized, look, we're not going to be able to get the locations we want to get, you know, because we're rushing to put this in motion. So let's wait a year. We can reserve these locations and we can be free and clear to shoot where we want to shoot instead of trying to compensate for the look of something we wanted with another location. Let's just wait. So you're probably right that there's no rush.

It's just that DC-D. doesn't get this kind of grace. You know, there's a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes. So you can't help but have some questions about it all because it's, there's so much up in the air right now about D.C. No matter what people want to say who are in the cult of D.C. There is stuff that's up in the air, there's stuff going on behind the scenes that we haven't gotten clarity on.

Well, that's what I was just going to say. And in kind of proving that point, you know, another reason they're not rushing out to, to, uh, start shooting this movie? They have to see how Superman's going to do. Exactly. We don't even know who's going to be in charge by the time this happens. Because I'm telling you, Superman bombs, which it won't. But if it does, James Gunn, not going to have much of a job at DC for very long.

Because no one's going to care. If you don't care about your Superman, if the fans don't care about the Superman movie to start. Yeah. And they don't go and support it. And he's not getting support on Clayface and Sergeant Rock and then Supergirl. He does not. Now, the flip side to that is, if Superman crushes, like I think that it will, and I think it's going to annihilate, to be honest with you, if that is what happens, then you have a lot more leeway to say, okay, look, we just made the studio $700, $800, $800, $1 billion, whatever. Right. We're playing with house money now. Now we can do what we want to do.

Supergirls coming up. People are actually really like the scene that she was in. That movie is going to do very well. people loving the lantern series we're digging what we're doing over there so we're moving we're cooking with gas as the kids say and um I don't think the kids the kids do not they say electric stuff they don't even say anything they say microwave I guess so either way they are

now they're moving now they have a little bit of play playroom because if you throw out a play face doesn't do that well on a 50 million dollar budget he took a shot and as long as you make $60 million on it, even if it's a loss, hey, okay, Sergeant Rock, same thing. You're making it for $70 million with a bit with a movie star like Colin Farrell.

Now it doesn't hurt as much, right, you know, especially if you're in that, if you're in the winning zone. But that's what that needs to happen. Their Batman has to be one of the next ones of the big ones after people ago. It has to be. Yeah, do you buy what Jeff said the other day, a couple days, a couple weeks ago in Hot Mike that like, if they don't have the Batman part two in motion by the end of the year that they might move on from Matt Reeves. You know, I've been kind of

I don't know how to feel about that. I've been processing it for days since he said that on the show. Do you think that's true? Do you think that they can't do the Batman? You can't do the Batman without Matt Reeves. You can't, you can't do the project. I'm not telling you that Jeff's wrong. Right, right, right, right. They very well

might be saying that. I think that would be a colossal error. I agree. Colossal. I mean, if he simply just doesn't want to do it. Yeah. And he's like, look, guys I know that Robert wants to make this here's the script I'll be on as a producer I'll help that way but I just don't want to produce this or direct this thing anymore yeah then then then fine then go ahead and do it and you got to but he's got to be you got to get him as part of it being vocal and saying that right because if it's him yeah he's moving on and we're not

not involved in it that's that's you talk about bad PR yeah really bad news I mean you could I mean, the way you kind of, how can I say this? Soften the blow is you, if Matt can't do it and they want to move on, they need someone who's going to jump on top of quick, you wonder if Lauren LeFrock, who show ran the Penguin, if she wants to EP this with Matt Reeves, and then maybe Craig Zobel, who directed three of the episodes of the Penguin, who has feature film experience, maybe Ellen Shaver.

It's not Matt Reeves, obviously, but if you need to get the Batman part two in motion, you could do worse than the people who just did penguin. So it's, I don't know, but I don't know if, you know, the overall public would be okay. I certainly wouldn't mind it, would want to see, but a lot of people are married to their directors and married to their stars. And so they won't get really upset if it's not Matt Reeves.

I just think that this has been his world. This isn't like, oh, 100%. They didn't just hire him on. Someone's like, oh, you can do it without him. It's tone. He was brought on to develop this whole thing.

He was brought on before Gunn and Safran Ron. And the only reason you're still doing this movie is because of Matt Reeves and Patent's. You don't need this movie as part of it. You're doing it because you had Matt Reeves' vision and what he did and it was successful in the first one. You would just kind of be hoping that you can get a hit out of it and because you want to see Patinson again as Batman and you're trying to appease the fans there. I think you're better off. If you're going to lose Reeves to do this, you're better off just focusing in on your Brave and the Bolt. But if you can get Reeves to do it,

sooner than later than you should still do it. Yeah. Agreed? All right. So what do you know about this? Get your fine. What thing about this like gets your spider sense he's tingling? Nothing about this.

Not for this movie. Okay. Not for this. Because if there were reports, if there were reports that Luca doesn't, didn't like the meetings he was having with James Gunn. He didn't like the creative direction that he was having, what he was getting.

There was too much involvement with it. They asked him to do this. It seems to be a lot of clashing, but schedule and because of shooting, eh, that doesn't, that doesn't bother me and all. That's, that to me is just, it just happened. Maybe we, you know, we got excited to get Luca involved in this. We wanted to move, but we're looking at it. And just, it makes more sense.

To me, that I actually would have more hope. I had to do as, as someone who's looking for to DC, I have more hope that they can make decisions like that. They're not just rushing it to get it done. Good point. Yeah, I actually, I like that they're doing that. Okay. What do you guys make of it?

Is it, is it, it is it, concern? Should we be concerned that this is happening? Or do you think it's a scheduling man? It's what happens in these times. Now what happens again? Who knows? Put your thoughts in there. Let us know. Okay.

So, John, I'm going to ask you a very serious question. Oh, boy. Why do you hate with Morgan? What? I don't hate Livor. I don't know the lady personally, so I can't hate her. Why do you think she is a terrible performer? Well, I mean, that could take a while. We only have two

hours on the show. I could go scene by scene through her sketches and show you the limits of her as an actress. So I was not wrong. I was not wrong in my intro when I said that you do you are not you you think she's overhyped. Oh as a as a wrestler 100% as a personality no but as a wrestler yes. Although she has gotten better her last match at WrestleMania I thought was a good match but like yeah I mean, there were many years where they were trying to promote her and she was nothing more than a mid-carder, but she's gotten better. Not gotten that much better on the mic. And I want to see something where she doesn't have to rely with sticking her tongue out or sticking her butt out. Once I see something that has a little more weight like Becky did or some of the other female performers that have done sketches or done skits and what they do, the vignettes that they do in WWE, who do a really great job.

Bailey does, I mean, her ding-dong hello thing was genius. Live has nothing like that, you know, and so that's where I would want to see this. So, you know, you know how long, and you know how long you and I have been friends. Well over 20 years. Yeah. So it's easy for me to say that you're a lunatic. She is, she is a superstar. She is a superstar.

She is highly, highly entertaining. She locks into character. She. Character, really? Okay. Yes. She's on the mic. She's super solid.

She has taken the role with this Dominic thing, run with it. She made that whole Ria thing work. You're insane. Dominic. Clearly, I'm not insane because she's been cast in a film, a big film. Okay, all right, go ahead. I'm the best. So has WWE's Live Morgan landed a major superhero role?

A major one. Major so far. Former WWE. women's champion, Liv Morgan, looks to take Hollywood by storm, and there are rumors that she has landed a major superhero role. We've been hearing reports that Liv Morgan has her set sight on becoming the next pro wrestler to break into Hollywood for a while now, and earlier this week, it was announced that the former WWE Women's Champion, a current tag team champion, will take some time off to film for her first major acting role. Sources believe this is not a small role, and while the project remains under wraps, Liv's part has been described as jaw-dropping. Not too surprisingly, given her previous Harley Quinn S. Persona, fans immediately began to speculate that Morgan, her real name is Gianna Jane Dario.

Fellow Italian, John. Why you hate him? Why are you hating? Hey, Mussolini was Italian. Keep going. So it's Rocky. Might have landed a role in a superhero franchise. Reliable insider, Alex Perez, shared the following post last night.

indicating that he's heard that Morgan might have been cast in Spider-Man brand-new day. Say what? Unfortunately, it doesn't seem likely that Morgan will be suiting up as Spider-Gwen or any other superhero anytime soon. According to Mike Johnson from PW Insider, this mysterious project is not a comic book movie. And Morgan has been cast in a major dramatic role in a film that's comparable to everything, everywhere, all at once, the raid and anora. A raid popping in there is crazy. Everything, everywhere all at once and an aura, like that makes, but throwing you right in there, that's crazy. That's three vastly different types of movies.

So consider us and trees. Yeah, we should find out the title of the movie fairly soon. So stay tuned for updates. For now, let us know if you think Morgan would be a good pick. Yeah, yeah. I can answer you a comic book movie. Or, yeah, that's what that comes from. John Rokka says no.

He says it's crazy. And I think John Roker is crazy. That's fair. Crazy. You don't see. So you think she's going to be. be bad in this role. Listen, first of all, this is what you call

a good PR machine shepherded by TKO Endeavor, WWE, and Netflix. They're all invested in having their stars cross over and make money. That's really what it is. But like,

are you going to tell me she's a better actress than the Ms? And the best Ms. could do was the Marine 4, the Marine 5. I mean, come on. These are the things you have to look at. Do I think she's better than the Ms? I love them.

as an actress you think she's better than the miss as an actor she's a better actor she's a better actor she's a better actor than a miss yes you're so insane and the second part of this is like do you think she's going to leap frog into a like a independent movie and all of this and the fact that they're smashing together all these different types of genres this just screams lionsgate this just screams some kind of throwaway saturday afternoon lion's gate movie and they're hyping it up and i guarantee you it's not going to be that big of a role not that big of a director not that big of a movie i guarantee you this is all just kind of asses the batman great so let's see her do bruce wayne as said live morgan is bruce way look sign me up i'm a live morgan fan

so sign me up i want to see what she's doing i want to see it i actually hope if you ask me my my hope i don't want her to be in spider man not because i don't want to see her in spider man i'd rather see her do this i want to see some acting chops i want her to see because i want you to eat crow that's why no 100% please help me you crow come on I love it I want to see her do good because look the other thing that you didn't and I haven't talked to you about this yeah that's thing what we haven't talked about is the rock's smashing machine we haven't talked about the trailer you didn't think that trailer was good it's not that I think it was good it's just that I don't think they gave the rock that standout scene that you need that shows you he can in his words bring in and there were

good nonverbal moments crying into a bed sheet you know standing ending up beating people up having moments of reflection and doubt about himself talking to a young kid and the and the wig was good the facial makeup they put on to make him look like mark her all of that worked but you didn't have that one standout scene where you sat back from the channel like oh damn okay you know this is something else uh and so until i see that i'm not 100% sure what we're going to get and by the end it was just the rock being the rock when he was bald in the ring and look you He almost did the eyebrow. So it's just like you're,

you know, so, but I do think the movie looks good. I don't know about Ryan Bader is Mark Coleman though. Yeah. Yeah. But we'll see. I like the movie,

the trailer. I like what I saw. Yeah. I like what he does with it. I want to see the relationship with, obviously Emily Blunt and the Rock have worked together before. And I think that's one of the reasons he, I think he was kind of instrumental in making sure that she was cast as his wife.

What I know is because, and I don't think it was a fight. You can get Emily. blunt sure i think it was because he he felt comfortable i'm sure that she could get him to that place that he wants to get she was he was safe as an actor in her hands like because emily is great emily gives so much to her partner you can watch her in terrible films she delivers and gets the best out of her fellow actor so yeah you're correct on that so that's and that's so i like that so and what i would love to see is i would love to see live morgan be the first

first really, I mean, who's, who's a female WWE superstar? I mean, Becky's been trying. She's going to be, she's coming out. Becky's going to be out in something. She got a role in something coming up with something big. They cut Seth out of. They got Seth out, but that wasn't because of him, though. That's because the whole story.

But what is it? Someone, no, it wasn't Sunny. It was sunny. There was parts. There wasn't Star Trek. Was it? There's something she was just cast in recently that I saw. that's a pretty big role. Becky Lynch? I remember her in billions a couple of years ago. She wasn't that good in it.

I don't know. I mean I'm wrong. You're wrong. I don't know. I'll tell you, I think Becky Lynch has a great persona. I think that she is, I think that I understand.

And I always like Becky Lynch. I think she's got a great energy tour. I think Liv Morgan is a better actor over. And I'm telling you, like there are times that Becky, I think, oversell stuff. And it's like,

Oh, like what Sina does sometimes, right? Cina's a good actor, buddy oversell stuff. I don't see that oversell on Morgan. I see a lunatic. What's to play. Sina wasn't good until Peacemaker's season. I agree with you. Right.

Sina was good for comedies. And it was fun. And he does. Like Ricky Stinnichie, all that kind of stuff. Like Cina is a dealer made for that. He loves that shit. But what he brought to Peacemaker, that's a whole other ball game. And Batista has been that good since he started jumping in from Guardians of the Galaxy.

You know, he took acting classes. He did smaller role, or he did roles in smaller films, or he was leads in smaller films to get his bones as an actor and figure the game out. And now he's very well respected, right? And so that, to me, is what concerns about Liv. Live has done no acting, and you're going to thrust her into a leading role with these dramatic, this dramatic supposed approach to it. And how many people are going to be legitimate in their criticism and analysis of her?

Because are they going to be caught up in liking her? because they like her, are they really going to be honest in their analysis and review of her performance? Do you know why I will? Yeah, go ahead. Do you think that I will be? I'm asking that question. Do you know why I will? Yeah, of course I think you will.

I mean, I do think, I mean, Julia, on a cement and you'd say it's an Oscar winning. Maybe so, but I'll tell you the whole, but she's also a phenomenal actress and you're crazy person. But what I will tell you is there was no bigger fan of Cindy Kron. proffered back in the day. Not a great actress. I saw a fair game. Fair game in the theater.

Not a good actress. And I was sure hoping she was going to be the next big movie star. You know who wasn't bad that I wish had gotten bigger? Kathy Ireland. She wasn't bad. You're absolutely right. She was not bad. I think of the first person to utter her name, though, in like 10 years.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I don't know. Either way, I do think I think she's going to wind up I just want to see what the hell it's going to be. I know. I remain open-minded, but this is a lot of hype, Christian.

And if they come out with like, I know, a, the Marine four or seven or whatever to be. Yeah, then we have a chance to goof on it. So, yes,

anyway, what do you make of it? You think that Liv Morgan's going to wind up doing something big? No. Is it going to be a big nothing burger or, you know, wind up being, we really talk,

going to too much depth on it on the, on the Marvel side of it, will she be? And if so, Who was she playing Marvel? It would be a Gwen Stacy type thing? What will it be? Put your thoughts in there.

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So I love it. All right, there's some stuff. The Thunderbolts, you wind up digging, right? You liked it. Loved it. Yeah. I had a really good time with that movie. Can't wait to see it again this weekend. Yeah. He's really good. I got so for people who are one of the reasons we're going to be late here, well, that we were late today is I was supposed to interview Lewis Pullman. First, it's very similar to the Sergeant Rock story. Scheduling purposes or scheduling issues,

rather, wasn't able to happen today. So we're trying to rearrange it. But I was bummed. I was sitting there, was waiting. I was excited at all my questions. I had good questions lined up, ready to go. it didn't happen. Yeah. Maybe the void got a hold of it, as we saw in the trailer. Yep, yep, yep. So it is now time to talk about a little bit of the Thunderbolts and about the money that it's potentially could make because.

Oh, right, yeah. So what I did notice is it's funny because you know, you always get, you get the same kind of morons on the, on the, on the, on the, reviews that comments if you like this is the same shit over and over again but like this one was really good man it was a solid movie

yeah really liked it and you did too and the music was really good in it too wasn't it the score? Yep absolutely loved the score 100% it was great and so after seeing it what do you think as far as

do you think it'll help box office or you think it's going to stay on track what what the box office was going to be. It's interesting because I think the word of mouth is good. And I think the reviews have been good. But I've also looked at some of the theaters in the L.A. area. And there's still plenty of tickets available in some of the, you know, important times, like 7 o'clock on a Friday night.

So that concerns me. I think this is a film that is going to grow as it goes along. It'll have a good, solid opening weekend. But I think word of mouth from people who actually go now to see the movie, that's going to keep it kind of going and keep it having legs for a little bit, I think, until Fantastic Four. Until Fantastic Four? Huh?

You think the movie's going to make money until Fantastic Four comes out? Yeah. When it's been like July, right? It'll be out on digital by the time that comes out. Well, fine. But we've still got two months, right? Yeah, but you have a mission impossible coming. You have a lot of big movies coming.

I was going to knock it out. It'll still be making money. It may not be making like top of the box office money, but I think it will be making money up until Fantastic. Yeah, May, June, July, it'll probably have. It'll probably be on its way out by the time of July. I mean, July, almost three because Fantastic Four comes out of the end of July. It's the last big, Superman and Superman.

I mean, there's just so many, it's, it'll still stay in theaters, but yes, it'll be knocked down to yours, unless it won't stay in theaters if it doesn't continue to do well after week one. Yeah, that would be surprising to me because I think people need to give this film a chance. I hope they do. And look, this is going to be interesting because Marvel, I mean, Brave New World, what, barely broke 400 million or whatever, if it even broke 400 million. So, and this is a much better film than a Brave New World.

Yet, how many people have known these characters beyond maybe Florence Pugh and Sebastian Stan, how many people watched the Black Widow movie and liked it? How many people watched Falcon and Winter Soldier? how many people enjoy ghosts. So there's a lot of questions here. And you're introducing a new MCU character in, in Century. So what are you going to do to like two comedians, right? Captain America, Bravenoril is like the comedian that is the well-known comedian.

Yeah. Who are they like, okay, we're going to go, we're going to go support. And the set just fine. It was a fine set. We'll talk about. I saw Captain America. This is great. Yeah, but what about Dunnabell's?

see them i never saw i didn't see the set was a good it was really funny but i didn't see it it was really funny there was it was a smaller room but they were really good they were really you didn't see that that comedy duo nah i didn't think they were going to be that good they were good and that could be what's going to happen here i'll wait i'll wait for disney plus like it they might do that yeah yeah but the difference is because of that you know the thing is all the people that wanted to see Captain America saw that opening weekend. And then the drop dramatic, right? 60, 70%.

Yeah. Right. Sinners is a good example of people who maybe didn't necessarily know what it was, didn't want to see it. And then after week one, it was so good, people started talking about it. Then like, oh, every talking about this movie, let's go see it. And then it starts a 6% drop, right? Right.

Thunderbolts could have that type of thing. That's what is it? Does it still at 92% on Rotten Tomatoes? Oh, yeah. Let me look it up real quick. It was 902. Yeah, let me see here. Because Captain America got to 414 million just to follow up on that. And you and I both know that was probably the original budget.

Right, probably overall. Yeah, yeah. What were you asking me, Thunderbolts? Oh, yeah, right. I'm going to guess. I'm going to say it went down. I bet you that's 88. Okay.

It is at 88. You peaked. So cut it out. You peaked. Was it 88 for real? Like Bill Simmons guessing lines. I know you peaked. I swear to you, I didn't.

I swear even though I said that I'm like, ah, it's probably still at 90. It's not at 95%. Now it's gone down to 88%. Yeah, but there's probably there's probably Arm in White just doing it a thousand times. Negative review.

It's like his MO. It's probably Jeff. Did he like it? I don't know. He hasn't seen. I don't think he's seen it. He's not always the biggest marvel, man. But are you going to see,

are you going to, and this is just kind of go off course so quick before we get to Are you going to see that simple favor too? Dude, I still haven't seen it ends with us. Oh, well, Super Favor 1 was a good movie. I skipped the screening last night because I just don't want to patronize anything she's in. But it might not be bad to watch it and get a give a review.

I don't know. Why? Is it even coming in theaters? It's just going straight to Amazon Prime, right? Oh, that's right. Yeah. So maybe I'll do it with you then. Yeah, it's interesting.

I'm wondering. I did like the first one. Paul Figue. I like the first one. And, you know, it's like, right here. And it's funny because right now, like Blake Lively, if she's playing roles, he's that type of role she should play. You know what I mean? You too, right now to being the villain or being the. Yeah, right now, right now, it's like, it's like, it's like a bad guy in wrestling. It's like people aren't, aren't, aren't like them. We'll put, make it was heal. And like, because people are not going to support her in romantic. comedy leads as the main person. They're not going to, it's not going to, some will, but not everybody. Make her the villain. Keep making her the villain.

She's good at it. Sometimes you just have to lean into it. Like, you know, this week, another reinvention of Megan Markle. And it's like, for God's sakes, people reject everything you do. Stop. Just be yourself. Just be the person. People say that you are and lean into it and don't, and DGAF and own that.

own who you are, you know, and I make up free and I don't have to prove myself. And it's all just, come on, man, just be yourself. Blake, if you're this way, you're blonde, you're gorgeous, people've wanted you for years. You got kids. You're married to Deadpool. He's just made a soccer team get promoted three times in three years, which has never happened in the history of football in England. And so you've got all these things that are positive.

Lean into it. Lean into it. I have to laugh at this because I understand. And normally I'd be like, I'm like, hey, it's what we're talking about, but I don't think of it. Who's someone says? So. So.

So. Uh, I'm not going to, I'm not going to. That was great. Fair enough. You win. Thunderbol's domestic box office opening weekend. Update revealed along with the MCU movie by.

Oh, that was hilarious. With the first reviews for Thunderball. now in. We have an update on what the movie is likely to open with in North America and details on how much it costs to produce and market. Josh Wilding writes, early opening weekend projections for Thunderbolts suggest that the movie could open to as little as 63 million. Following yesterday's glowing reviews, those have risen to an estimated 70 million to 75 million, according to variety. As you reported yesterday evening, Thunderbolts is still eyeing a global bow of somewhere between 160 million to 175. It's a good start for the movie.

It's on the softer side for a new Marvel Studios release. Brave New World managed to open to 88 million and negative reviews. And only that and three other post-pandemic MCU blockbusters have opened beneath 100 million. Those are Eternals at 71, Shang-Chi and The Legend of the Ten Rings at 75, and the Marvels, 46. Oh, P.U. I didn't realize how bad that opening up. The Thunderbolts aren't a well group of characters to non-comic fans, or perhaps Disney would have been wise to reveal the meaning of that asterisk in advance. If nothing else, it might have increased interest among casual viewers. The 75 million debut isn't all bad news, though. Thunderbolts cost 180 to produce and roughly 100 to market, meaning it's on the cheaper end of the MCU movies in terms of budget.

Positive reviews should translate to good word of mouth. If so, Thunderbolts won't have the same disastrous second weekend drop last Captain America movie, for example. It will, however, have to contend with sinners taking a bite out of its debut, and that's expected to make as much as $35 million again in the U.S. this weekend. As long as the Thunderbolts is a modest hit, it'll put Marvel Studios in good standing, heading into the Fantastic Four First Steps later this summer and Avengers Doomsday next May. And yeah, that's it. Yeah, that's what I don't need to read any more of that.

But yeah. So, okay, I think those are good numbers, but I do think that they make the same point that we made beforehand, too. This isn't about opening weekend right now. It really is. This is all about weekend, too. Yep. 100%. If it may, look, the only way that if you and I are talking on Monday, when this thing comes out,

when the numbers come out on Monday, we're going to say, okay, well, that's pretty much what we thought. Nailed in between 65 to 75 million. That's pretty good. Let's see what happens in week two. Right. Now, there's two other conversations that we could have. Conversation one is, whoa, it made 85 to 90. Wow, people really heard about this movie. They picked it up and they went and saw it.

The conversation Marvel doesn't want us to have is it didn't even hit 55. Yeah. That's a problem even going into week two because the drop's going to be so big. Or even if it isn't too big, it doesn't seem that there's a lot of interest in this movie. Right. So what do you make of all these numbers? Well, I think the numbers seem, they do feel spot on judging, as I said, from some of the stuff I was hunting around and looking at this morning going on separate websites in different cities to see what the reaction is and to see what the ticket sales are like right now. So the numbers to me make a lot of sense of what they put down, but you and I are on the same page.

It's about what happens afterwards. It's about what the opening weekend does. And if the opening weekend overperforms, I think that's the, you and I think that's the opening weekend overperforms, I think that's, also going to get people and word of mouth going and get into the theaters. I'm just curious about what they do. How do you elevate the attention for this movie? They've been doing press tours. They've been going on all these different shows and doing the standard stuff. But how do you get people to take a chance on this film when they've been burnt by Marvel before?

So it's going to be interesting to see how this goes about and how they stay in the pop culture to get people in it. Because there's the backlash against sinners, too, that it's taking all these IMAX theaters from sinners and people still want to see sinners in 70 Miller money to IMAX, yeah. Sure. That's, I mean, that's again, that's it,

that's a, that's a movie fan problem. It's not an overall fair person problem. But, or should say movie fanatic. But either way, I think that what, as I want to address the thing about would they have been wise, to address the asterisk thing and I think I think no I think no I think no because I think

that it's such it's it's it you give it if you give away what that means that's that's it's a whole kind of portion of what the movie is about yeah so people complained about sinners right christian like why would you show that about uh haley steinfeld before the movie right why would you do that so the film was good enough to override that I don't think the film would be good enough to override what the asterisk means if they revealed it before you saw the movie you know what was the point of keeping it a mystery at all if you're going to reveal it right before the film comes out you know and to be devil's advocate on that though yeah i don't disagree though and again i'm tiptoeing on things i don't disagree that maybe if you would have

you might you might have you might have you might have seen some extra box office in the same way that, you know, Black Adams saw some extra box office with the hand, all the, this stuff that was going on there. But, um, but yeah, I think that overall, nah, you can't do that. And I think that you got to let this movie lie on its own, just, it's a good movie. That's the thing is that it's just a good movie. Yep. And I, I, I want to see it again as well. And I haven't, I haven't said that about a Marvel movie in quite a bit. You know, I'm looking forward to watching that one with Sam when it's that when it's her time to oh yeah like we look forward to that that'll be my second time watching it and I'm like okay good because she'll and and I will say again you see

like black widow movie is it's not one of my favorites but it's kind of a crucial watch for this movie oh yeah 100% I because we talked about that on Monday after the show was over I saw it that afternoon oh you went to watch on Disney plus that afternoon before I went to the screening just to see if there's anything I could and you're right I mean it is it's good to watch at least that movie before you go right I mean Falcon Winter Soldier would also I mean I had the luxury of being able to do it because I was doing it for the channel so I just caught up on again I don't know if I would have done that outside and it's a commitment it's a six it's a six hour show right you got to you got to watch going up to it but I would tell you that I think that you know the black widow movie is necessary yeah agree yeah um so for

everybody out there and we're talking about Thunderbolts. What do you think overall? What do you think that this movie's going to make? You think it's going to do very well? What do you think it's going to make in its second week? As I told you, it's really going to be about that conversation that John and I are going to have on that following Monday. What is the movie going to do week two and will it turn a profit? Put your thoughts in there. Let me know.

And John, I just did the, we're doing the final destination series with, you know, because I had we watched the first one and I remember like bits and pieces of it I'm telling you if I saw maybe 10 minutes of that movie ever yeah um but then I watched it with Tina second one I definitely ever saw third I never saw fourth I never saw fifth I saw Ellis we walked out at the end which was stupid and um we're Tina and I watched it's gonna I just found out that Tina Tina said that she watched for the first time when she was like really sick she watched some of the Mission Impossible movies right oh she said she remembers none of that she said she remembers none of that Tina Tina said that she watched that she watched of them because she was all a blur when she was all when she was sick so we're going to watch the mission impossible movies leading into mission impossible so that's going to be the next series of what we're doing there and then sam's coming back next week we're going to jump back into it so we got a lot going we got a lot going yeah all right so speaking of marvel speaking of thunderbolts there are some rumors there are some roundups there are things that are happening for doomsday some comic book inspiration there's hockling plans lady death's return and more so uh in our

latest mcc urumer roundup we're sharing news on avengers june's day wonder man vision plans for hockling and and lady death and update on live morgan again john you can't get away from her good god you try you can't do it uh both marvel future and more josh wildness has thunderbolts arrives in the theaters tomorrow evening and while it will be be the final phase five story on the big screen Marvel Studios has plenty of tales left to tell in the Multiverse saga and beyond. The Cosmic Circus has shared more MCU rumors today, including a small update on the upcoming Vision series, apparently even though it's going to borrow ideas from both West Coast

Avengers and Tom King's Vision run, the show is more original than most of the previous MCU shows. The site also reveals that Hokeling, the pre-scroll hybrid who dates Wiccan in the comics, is going to be introduced in the next saga as the Marvel Studios tells more space-based stories. On that note, it sounds like we'll see the Zandarians attempting to rebuild Zandar after Thanos attack in Infinity War and that an initial wave are coming and it won't be a one up on whatever. Other minor updates include the second season of X-Men 97, your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man being wonderful while Wonder Man's stunt and camera work are described as really good.

In bigger news, the site reports that when it comes to which key things, Marvel Studios is pulling from Jonathan Hickman's Avengers run for Doomsday and Avengers is being described as everything. It's also said that Agatha All Along star Audrey Plaza will eventually return as Lady Death. You may have also seen some chatter online that Liv Morgan, hey, being eyed for an MCU role, not so. According to multiple outlets, according to Mike Johnson, she will not star in Avengers Doom's Day or any other super project. There you go, John. You can take a breath of relief. Instead, it's a prestigious project that will surprise we talked to that about that already, yada, yada, yada.

The photographer has provided us with aerial shots of Fantastic Four First Step, Supergirl, woman tomorrow, Doomsday, has also claimed today that the mysterious house that's being built for the latter project has been listed as a 1960s house. Avengers Mansion, the X-Mansion, the X-Mansion, something Fantastic Four-related. That means to be seen. There's been speculation that Dr. Doom will play a visit to the home of the X-Men. Interesting. Okay. Okay. So a lot of rumors here.

Yeah. Doom is going to wind up, you know, something's going to happen where he's going to confront the X-Men that we know. You know, the Patrick Stewart and Ian McKeown. He's going to confront them and then they're going to look for help and they're going to get this universe involved is what I think is going to happen. It makes sense. Yeah. He's going to kill everybody. He's kill all those X-Men. You got to destroy it all. You got to destroy it.

then he's he's your way to start it over and there are ways and at least that's the other thing with thunderbolts is that it's the first time I felt in a bit maybe since loki that was like okay they're moving I understand kind of what's happening now a bit you know where they're what we're doing here um but yeah we'll do a full I think I think we might even do a spoiler conversation on on on capes and cows on Friday maybe I don't know yet I'm trying to figure out on Thunderbolts yeah I'm should do it on Friday or Monday. You and I are going to definitely maybe maybe I don't know you are both seen it so maybe the two of us will do it. I don't know yet. We got to figure it out. I mean, I'm better reviewers than both of them combined. So you get a better reviewer. See, you did it yourself. A reviewer, not a critic. See, I have that conversation again. Sure. Semantics. But yes. Okay. Fair point. And I'm only joking before anybody runs to their channels and cries and complaints. I'm only joking. Either way. We're going to figure that out pretty soon. But what do you make of these rumors?

What do you think anything in general that stands out about this stuff here or not really? No, you pick one. What do you, what's the dog? What do you think about? You know, let's start with Aubrey Plaza coming back. What do you think about that? I like that because Aubrey is such a good actress and I enjoyed, I think a lot of us enjoy her in Agatha.

So, and Lady Death does have a lot to do in the world of Marvel. If you read the comics and what have you. I mean, Mary Hulk or something? Well, yeah, but also she's connected to the original Infinity Gauntlet story. And there have been rumors about bringing Thanos back, Josh Brolin back as Thanos. So if they do bring him back, the Infinity Gauntlet story, he was doing all of that stuff because of his love for Lady Death and wanted to impress her and woo her by doing all of this stuff. So will they kind of massage that storyline back into the MCU with Aubrey Plaza? But even if they don't, she's such a good actress and people enjoy her performance in the Agatha.

So you've got to find stuff for her to do. And as I said, there's multiple storylines in Marvel to use her with that would work. And she knows how to play the comedy and drama at the same time. She's adeptic doing that. There's one reason you bring Thanos back. Okay. It has that. It's my boy.

It's my boy. He was right. Doom has to bitch him. Oh. Doom has to bitch him. Doom has to bitch him. He's got to, as we say in wrestling, John, he's going to bitch him.

Thanos has to put Doom over. Okay. He's got to. If he's not more intimidating and more devastating than Thanos, almost like they did in, what if, like when Thanos was one time and he tried to like step up and they just bitched him.

You got to bitch him. Because if he does, it's like, oh, wait a minute. Okay, because like when we saw that version of Thanos and end game come back, the like almost like the couple of year younger version of him come back and how devastating it was again. They had to do that all over again and how you're like, oh, and if that version comes back again, you're like, oh, here we go again.

And he's just like, and Doom just slaps him around. You're going to go, oh, okay. Well, that guy's for real. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But will Josh Brolin want to come back to be bitch slapped again and killed again? truck full of money was he care yeah their point you know what I mean it was he care and and like the Rousseau's regardless of what you think about what they've done they carry a lot of weight with a lot of these people with these actors they certainly do I think that's one of the biggest reasons why they're all coming back is because

they've worked with them or no people have worked with them in this particular MCU tent and they know they're in good hands so yeah last day I want to cover something in TV and then we're going to jump to the questions because John's got to try to try to beat Roxy here. This is something that I know John is excited about. I told John about this show a long time ago, Shogun, he wouldn't watch it, and he finally did. More lies. Shogun Season 2 to film in January,

Liv Morgan will be joining the cast. FX has announced that filming on the second season of its universally acclaimed historical drama series, Shogun is officially set to get underway in January next year in Vancouver. First season stars, Heroki Sonata and Cosmo Jarvis, who is still looking for his boat, he'll find his boat, will return in the roles of, oh, they're going to both return.

Interesting. Sonato will also be elevated to executive producer. Damn right. While Jarvis is co-executive producer, that's how you get him back pretty quick. So whereas the first season was based on the legendary novel of the same name by James Clavel, the new 10 episode room will take place a decade later and continues the historically inspired saga of these two men from different worlds whose fates are entwined.

So what else? The first season, which won 18 Emmy Awards was the most watched program in the network's history. It was originally conceived as a limited series. However, when FX shifts the show into the drama series category for the Emmys rather than the limited, its single another season was coming. Shortly, after Sonata had signed a deal to return for the second season

and confirmed that the estate and series creator, Kondo and Justin Marks, were working to develop two more seasons. Okay. Yeah, so this, but I wasn't clear to me. So they're not basing this off of any source material though, right? There is no sequel to Shogun in the books. There is no sequel to.

Nervous. So, oh yeah, it makes, just like Game of Thrones. It's going to say. It makes you nervous when they go off the source material. Now, these are based on historical people. So whereas Game of Thrones is all fictional. This is, it's not the exact names of the people, but it is based. on the historical stuff. So there is

stuff to draw from. There are stories to draw from them. So now it becomes, can they translate those stories into dramatic fare that people want to see in a second season? Yeah, I don't know. 10 years later. Yeah, 10 years later, I mean, so you're going to have to try to, like you said, it's historical.

So like, it's not one of these things we're like, oh, I don't want to ruin season one for anybody, but it's like, are certain people going to get their comeuppance? Right. And you're like, well, they can't do that because it's historical. They might not be alive by the time we can. Right. So characters, yeah.

Ah, I wonder. I wonder how they're going to pull it off, but I'll tell you this. We'll both be watching. 100%. Right. I mean, I'll be watching it all time. Right. Now the quiz, I always, yeah, right.

And I'll watch it early. So, um, like I did last time. Yeah, exactly. I saw my early screenings of it and you told me. Totally. I had to convince you every week. Every week while you were throwing darts at the Rock's photo in your room it's true yeah it was it was the japanese accent you did off camera that oh no other than

that definitely not do that it was very different um yeah yeah oh wait what if live morgan's been in is in fast and defier so this is a big substantial role it's fast in the fury is 11 which is which is where you know you would assume that a lot of those yeah wrestlers of ronda rousey went there Carrano went there like that's that's where a lot of those it was almost like what they were doing with expendables right yeah yeah thank you had a trade cast um i don't think that's the case i think i don't think there's this i don't disagree with you by the way that it's an endeavor kind of spin also to make sure that yeah when you have that kind of pull hey look look what we got here but there's also some merit like if it's a big role and it's something huge what if she's in the scrocese thing with

The Rock. Yeah. You know, maybe he, maybe he said, listen, check this out. But I think the movie already started filming. I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, that's the way you go in there. The rock massages you to get into, to get to a role. But, you know, that would be something where it doesn't feel like she earned it. It feels like the wrong game in there. Right. Yeah, I can have seen that. Anyway, what that had to do with Shogun? Who knows? Who knows? What do you think about season two of Shogun. Do you think it is something that should be done? Are they grasping a straws here just to keep their ratings up?

Put your thoughts in there, let me know. All right, we're going to get to your questions. As I said, we've got to try to get to, for Roka, he's got a hill to climb. He had set it up really, really well for himself on Monday. Roxy came back swinging. And now he's got a top 151 going into the question round. last week you had 32 or 33 going into it and you end up doing really well on Monday. Actually, now you have 37.

Pretty damn good. Pretty damn good to start. The question is, can you hit the big numbers there? But before you do, you got stuff going on on your channel. We want to hear about it. Oh, yeah. Yeah, head on over to the Outlaw Nation. YouTube.com slash John Roka says or just type in Outlaw Nation Roka in your search bar there to find us and subscribe to us.

We're just about to cross 38,000 subscribers. building slowly but surely there on that channel. And I'm dropping my spoiler or non-spoiler review, not spoiler, non-spoiler review for Thunderbolts, probably at 3 o'clock Pacific time. And then tomorrow we've got Hot Mike. We'll be reviewing, the Jedi Way will be reviewing and or last night's three episodes of Andrew,

which we haven't even talked about on the show. And then the geek buddies stuff will be coming on Friday. So there's a lot of stuff happening on the channel. And if you miss spill the tequila last night, we came back with our second episode back again talking everything went on with sinners of the box office and also Shrewer Sanders. And this weird meme of the 100 men versus one gorilla who would win type of thing. So yeah. A lot of fun.

Where did that come from? What was back in 2020 was a subreddit. Basically who would win if. And so for whatever reason, someone grabbed it in 2025 on April 24th, put it up. and it just caught fire on the internet and people with various opinions on both sides of who would win in that situation i personally think a gorilla would absolutely win and winston took it far enough to say can you imagine a hundred smodown players versus the gorilla and it would be over within probably five minutes i would imagine five minutes it's that's way more credit than i would have five minutes Come on. I said, I said, it's just from talking to Roxy about it. I was like, if they were all built like Mark Coleman, all the guys, they'd still, they'd put up a better fight than 100 showdown players, but like they would, but still,

anyway, let's get into these questions. And we're going to start here with Greenie from Oz, who's really been a presence lately. Thank you, Greenie. I don't think I'll be able to look at originally. trilogy Mon Mothman the same again after witnessing her rave dancing and slamming space whiskey shots. Yeah, I know. It's funny. My brother wrote me last night because he's loving. He's absolutely loving Andor and said that this had just put Mon Mothma on such a new level of character after this show. Yeah. There's more to come with Mawma. I know. I know. Shama cave, like the resistance

vibe on and or. Yeah, me too. Love it. I love the World War II kind of Europe 19, 39, 1940s thing going on here. It's pretty great. But Star Wars is not about commentary or political. Always has been. Okay. Next one after what were the...

I want to address them on Mathma thing. Listen, your parents were young once, getting drunken bars, hooking up having one night stands. This is the way it works. Everybody was young once, and then you get older and you mature, you age, you change,

and you grow into the role. you're supposed to be. And so give Mon Mothma a little bit of space here, man, so to speak. Okay. All right. On Motham, one night's answer. Renee Reyes, I'm playing the last of us

video game. I see why gamers are upset with the casting of Ellie. The character is portrayed completely different in the show. Bella Ramsey doesn't embody the character of Ellie in the video game. I mean, that's a fairer. I'm never going to chastise anybody with a comment like that. Okay. Because

because if there's no hate behind what Renee wrote there. Right. It's, that's Renee's opinion. Is that, okay,

I looked at it, I wanted to see what everyone was talking about it. And I agree. I just didn't think that she is the same person that I'm playing.

She's not even saying that she agrees. She just said, I see why gamers are upset. She's not saying, I agree with them. She's just saying, I see it.

I get it. So basically even that, yeah. Either way, you know that Ellie is getting a lot of shit. Either way, I like what Bella is doing.

I agree. that I've seen, I've seen them from playing the first game and then even into the scenes I've seen of the second game, it is a different representation, but is that Bella's fault or, and not even necessarily fault, but the director will probably go, okay, let's do this instead of that. Because I think that's the maturity level of Ellie is different in the game than in this. I think she's still kind of more on that teenager thing in the show. and she's a little way more aged and a little bit more mature in the in the game okay i don't know

never played the game so i don't know yeah from the scenes i've seen um from what i've heard on pushback but do you do you like what bell is doing right now i do i really enjoy especially last episode there were some really uh great emotional beats with her dealing with what happened in episode two of this season and i really just bought into it even more and her and isabella merced have great chemistry. I'm just great chemistry as a two as the new two some I guess and so the way they're the way they interact with everything and the way she's got like a lot of Joel in her and a lot of her own stuff and you see that coming out so yeah I mean this is why you cast someone like this yeah bring this kind of depth and levels and complexity to the the roles that she's playing so you

uh buster barnes I won't lose sleep of rosser ron doesn't happen but I am interested in the concept Also, have you heard that Liv Morgan is a big role of something? I don't know. I don't know if that was sent in before we started talking about all this stuff. I think it was. Yeah. It actually adds some great comedy to the fact that, John, if she wins an Oscar, what would you do?

What would you do if she wins an Oscar before Julia does? Julia was ready to win an Oscar. Did she win what she went for Brockman? Oh, right. a good point. Nice try. It's 25 years ago. I forgot about that. Take away stuff from her. She's been taking a break. Jackmind, talk, movies. I saw Revenge of the Sith last night. I missed Star Wars on the big screen. Hearing John Williams over the call was soul healing. Will they ever bring the call back?

Yeah, I think that they will. I think that they, they did this weird thing, Zach. And I don't know why they did it. Like, they wanted to just, you know, detach themselves from the George Lucas era of Star Wars, which I think was such a mistake in general of taking. in the John Williams music and using it every once in a while, only using the crawl for the big trilogy moments. And I think it was a mistake. I think that the crawl is what

it was, it's Star Wars. The music, you can have, you can have original music. A little Ludwig has done, right? His original music. Great, but I think like the thing, even though I'm not a big, like Asoka series fan, I love what Kiner did with the music there because he's the only one that combined the

music of John Williams and his own. And that's what you got to do. How it wasn't it. I'm telling you, John, it was a criminal offense that it wasn't in Obi-1, the John Williamson. Criminal. What a major, don't use the music. Let's do our own thing.

Boo. Big boo. But yeah, they'll bring the crawl back, I think. Dingus McNally, after seeing Thunderbolts, what do you guys think will be, what do you think its total worldwide box office will be by the end of theatrical run. I'm going to say

380 to 420. Yeah, I'd say probably 350 to 400. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I just don't think it has the name recognition unless it catches fire. Again, this is all, and don't quote us and come back at us with those I predicted, all that nonsense.

You never know what's going to happen. And so if it catches fire, just like sinners did, which no one predicted, by the way, then it could get five to six you just never know but um i just don't think people have the character familiarity with these characters so i think 350 to four is is yeah believable i mean could be could overshoot with 420 uh let me give me a ryan cougar static shock movie i want to see ryan cougar just do it i think he's earned it now just do original stuff that's all i want to see

i want to see ryan cougar doing original stuff also there are other black filmmakers like you know this is what happened with Spike Lee. They're like, Spike Lee for everything. And it was like, no, man, I'm opening. I'm walking through the door so other black filmmakers can come behind me to do stuff. And I think Ryan is. Static shock, static shock of black character. Yeah, black superhero character. Phil Lamar voiced him in the animated series. So, you know, I get why people want static shock.

Certainly a very important character. Yeah, but yeah, I agree with you. And yeah, you shouldn't have, he shouldn't just be the go-to to do all the, he did it right, did a black panther. You know, now he's doing something. And he cut his teeth with that one, you know. Yeah. Asman, more likely, Lucas, Sergeant Rock or Tyca's Star Wars?

Sergeant Rock, 100% is more likely. 100%. Tyca's Star Wars. Is more likely? You're a crazy person. They just got a writer. So what? So what?

Tons of writers. Yet another step forward. This one's going backwards. We had writers on tons of things before. What was like, yeah, there were tons of writers. Look at the writer. was on the the tannoy movie there's like eight different writers and they all jumped off the ship yeah yeah so yeah it or pushed off depending on who's right man it uh daniel brein john are you and

michael watching the new doctor who season if so what are your thoughts on the season in the latest episode yeah you know we're not reviewing this year because it didn't really do that well for the channel uh when we were reviewing it last uh season but we might do a midseason review that being said i am enjoying it i think it's much better than the first season i've liked the first two episodes i haven't seen the third one yet um and it's gonna be a shame when we lose shoot te got way because all these anti-woke people have such an issue with doctor who they probably even watched one episode of doctor who having issues with it but yeah i like it i like the energy it's a completely different new energy uh and if he wasn't um you know if he wasn't a member of the ljbc

community i wonder how many people really have an issue with it because there's a lot of tenant in what he's doing in his doctor who and i love it so that's my overall i have a question that might not come off. It might come off as insensitive after hearing you say you? You? You? Yeah. No. Do they still make you who? What do you mean? The actual you? Frank. They still like you? Why? Every time I hear Dr. Who, I was thinking a Yu-hoo. You get thirsty for you-who. I haven't had a Yu-hoo in probably 15 years, 20 years, but I want some Yu-hoo. Yeah. I want to try it again. Dr. Yu-hoo. Mike Joyce, who would you cast in the Yu-hoo movie? Kool-Aid movie. I mean, you'd probably have to be Jack Black.

I have to be. I can't make a joke about it because I don't know where we are in the studio and if they've revealed that. So I'm not going to spoil it. Oh, do they actually cast someone as a Klai KATH? Oh, yeah. That is coming. That episode is. Oh, that's hilarious. And I guarantee you, anybody who hasn't seen it, you have no idea who it's going to be. And it's the perfect choice. Oh, I love it.

And the conversation it leads to is even more amazing. Oh, great. Yeah, I bet is, is the new one up now? Is it coming on Tuesdays or Wednesdays? I don't know. I don't know. Okay, Rick, you've seen those seasons. Yeah, I've seen the whole season.

Larry Bridges. Roken, the John Cena storyline is back to cooking with Randy Orton involved now. If anything, your boy, Rock is the reason to WrestleMania match. Missed that. Oh, there you go. wasn't what it was supposed to be. Apparently, there were plans to turn John Heel at WrestleMania, but the Rock wanted

to force himself into the storyline. Where did that come from? It's all who you want to believe. No, there's no verification on any of this stuff. It's all who you want to believe. If you're against the Rock, then you'll believe the Rock messed everything up. If you're against Sina, then you'll think that the Heeltern didn't work well and it's been a wet fart.

I actually don't think, I'm not excited about Orton versus Sina again. Just like I don't like to watch two old men fight in the park. So it's just not my jam right now. Because Sina can't do it anymore and he was terrible in that Cody Rose match. And if you think he's going to be better against Randy, against Randy Orden, you're insane. And they mapped out.

One of these sites mapped out all the matches he's got this year. Good God that's going to ruin every premium live event because he can't wrestle anymore. Right. Poor guy. I know why you hate John Cena. I don't hate John. I love him as an actor. So he missed a few of the, like, that did that, you know,

that stupid thing that Super Chat does. single day, thank God for Luke. Reggie Brown throwing in a file of Superjot. Thank you. I'm hoping the Thunderbol's post-credit scene is Sam recruiting Bucky for the Avengers. Makes Sam show up in the movie the way Fury did. That's what he's hoping.

There are two. Those who haven't heard, there are two, right? Yeah, the first one, the first one is fun. The second one is the one that's important. And that's all the way at the end of the credit. So stay to the end. The very end, yeah. Simon's section. But not her sin.

speaking of i know bix has been through a lot but is that what i think she took in that end scene i thought it would be glowing like currant lollipops where's obiwan drinking um well no so it's not we i think you i think you think it's something else but no it's it wasn't um but as far as obi won goes yeah he's probably he's protecting luke or who knows at this point if you if you actually have to consider that show canon um i don't know what the hell he's dealing with himself i don't know it's a great who knows i mean they they mentioned him in um they mentioned him in rogue one briefly yeah simon also says thank you simon very generous i haven't seen you react now it's what's that oh sorry yeah yeah yeah right um find it

simon says i haven't seen your reactions to and or episode four five and six yet but what's up with that scene where mama's boy walks in on that dude having his avengers galga game or he's placing his nostalgic bets that sith beat beat the queen. Yeah, which you haven't seen. Oh, yeah. I liked, um, there, I did, I really like what they're doing with Cyril. I like how they build up zero. I really dig it. Yeah. Him and Deidre are like, you know, quietly my favorite type couple follow this season. 100%. Hank Pim, if they can revive Cross his career, it'll be a miracle. He was great on NXT, but main roster failed. I'd like to see him get a Brian Pillman type gimmick. Me too.

He also follows up and says, yeat. If Pat beats Gunther, I think I may never watch wrestling again. Having the match alone is insane enough. I can only suspend disbelief so much. Are they actually wrestling? Yes. Why? And when? Because Pat McAfee suffered a PR nightmare when he you know, um, uh, amplified those, uh, accusations and that story about that young girl and her relationships, uh, and sexual exploits. Oh, Shannon Sharper? Yeah, he got a lot of trouble for that one, for that college girl. And so they're trying to change the narrative around him because that's what these people do.

And so they're having him fight Gunther because he choked out him and Cole. I saw that. I saw that. And now he's giving a lot of money to charity. It's all. McAfee's a douche. He's a douche.

We don't like him. Oh, my God. I've seen through guys like that my whole life in the military and in college. I've known and met guys like that. Dush, man. Larry Bridges. Wasn't what it was supposed. Oh,

he did that one. Right. Thank you, Larry. Thank you, Larry. John Sina is the goat. We're 17. I never understood anybody could actually say that that he's the goat.

I think he's the top 20 am I think. I think as far as superstars go, as far as what he accomplished for the business, he's in the conversation. But no, as far as mine go, no. Buster one scene memorable match, not one. No, Buster Barnes.

I've cast Liv Morgan as my wife, contract pending. Understood? I get it. You couldn't handle Liv Morgan as your wife. You'd lose your mind. Hank Pimp, with you the way, Roka, with you all the way, Roka, Harlof's a Liv Mark.

No, he said, with you all the way, Roka, Harliff's a live mark. No, I'm not. She's a good, her heel personality. Thanks to Dom and Ria, but I don't see her as a top five woman. It's not what I'm saying. This is what I said beforehand. I saw people go, what? When it came to Becky, do I think she's a bigger superstar than Becky Lynch?

No, I don't. Do I think she's a better actor? Yeah, she's a better actor. I think she's an overall better WWE superstar? No, I don't. But I think she's a better actor. There are times I see Becky and I'm like she's overcooking it. She's not a great actor. There's a reason more.

That's what I'm saying. That's what I mean. Actor and performer are different. I saw people going, what are you talking about better than Becky Lidge? I didn't say Superstar. I said actor. There is a significant difference. Who tunes in to what they're doing? And sometimes Becky overcooks it.

It's no lot. She does heavy breathing. Yeah. I am savvy Mike 96 support for Roka and Christian fair enough 53 thus far John Oh nice And only 100 more to go 100 left with 40 minutes left

And Mike joins and becomes a member thank you Mike Good time to become a member right now All right so right now again 53 is there a world where John can get 100 to Tyroxy We'll see Um, okay. Grim Bear 13. I guess I should use this before the month then.

So just sending some love. I appreciate you doing that. Yeah, if you remember, you'd get one, one super chat per, per month. It's pretty great. Matt, do I need to see Brave New World first? Nah. No, no, not really. I mean, there's a couple mentions of certain things that happen in the movie,

but not, not that it's like imperative to see the movie. Black Widow is the one. I would tell you, in order of, if you threw a Black Widow, Falcon and Winter Soldier, and Captain America, What's the most important to see? It's no question. Black Widow number one, Falcon and win a soldier number two,

and then have the American, you don't even have to say it. All you need to know about Brave New World is that Bucky ran for Congress in Bruton, and that applies to what's going on in Thunderbolt. And the fact that you says in the trailer, so it's not a spoiler for the Red Hulk. Oh, right.

Yes. Yes. You mentioned to that. Old man, Mike. Hey, Roka, where's your Lacky the Poutlaw been? Where has the Poutlaw been? We haven't seen the Pal one.

Yeah. Tyler. FSU question. What are your thoughts on Castellanos? It can't be worse than DJ. You, that's for sure. I don't know what that means. Castellanos.

Is that a, did he get in trouble with FSU? Let me see. Did he do something? I don't know. What did Tommy do? I'm not sure. Oh, he's our new quarterback.

Tommy Castellanos. Yeah, you didn't. Oh. I didn't know that. Okay. Yeah. I mean, we have, he's become a leader on the team. Cool.

So we'll say. I don't have enough opinion on him yet. Can't do worse than last year, I don't think. Yeah, that's what he's saying. Yeah. So Mike Joyce, Dune 1 and two double feature in theater, 725, are you going? No, I won't be going, but I envy people who are. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Kalnowski, they always shits on the Dune movies and this shows. Yeah, he shits on me. He's, this is an idiot. it's such a good move it's great Simon section Cindy Crawford acting and fair game hello I can beat that Cindy singing with Ray Charles in a Pepsi commercial yeah no it was because here's the difference that commercial is about a minute and a half two minutes long so full movie you're talking about and what's she wearing in that Pepsi commercial I have a better luck finding the Star Wars Christmas special on YouTube there's a reason for

that yeah it's it's it's nothing to do with um with anything if it's a it's a two minute commercial you can get over five five minutes I mean five minutes and two hours of watching her in fair game oh yeah yeah uh see black thunderbolts new projections are 80 to 90 we'll see could be nice I like to I'm excited to see what it does I mean it doesn't it really it does you're right though John it depends on that drop off of sinners yeah it really does all And Mike, 100 men versus a gorilla, just fists who you got, gorilla? Not even a question.

Yeah, gorillas. Jenny Lynn? You can a YouTube member? Thank you, Jenny. Amazing. Go, pal. Fair game is one of the movies I saw with friends in high school and siblings, cousins down to 10 with a specialist and species good times.

I don't remember who I saw that with that movie, but I remember seeing it. Because, again, like I said, like, this guy called me a little Morgan Mark. I was absolutely a Cindy Crawford mark. Who wasn't like that? Oh, God. Didn't she get with Richard Garrett? Didn't she date him for a long time? Long time.

Dingus McNally, did you guys see that guy Richie's going to direct roadhouse too? I did see that. That's intriguing to me. Yeah. It's intriguing. I don't know what he's doing with his career, man. I don't know what he's doing with his career. Because, like, he, mobland is so good.

If people, if you ain't watching Paramount Blots, if you're not watching Mobland and Paramount Blots, you are missing out. He has done such a great job with that series. Is it not doing well the show? No, I don't know what the numbers are on the show. The show is great, but I'm wondering, but I don't know why you would go do Roadhouse too.

He's just made some weird choices. And he just did that one. His last few movies have been less things that he's done. I think he's had a resurgence, to be honest with you. Yeah, man, as far as quality goes, like I think the last shit bomb that he did was the Arthur thing, right? because let's see. Yeah, Ministry of Gentlemanly Warfare was good.

I like that movie. We talked about Covenant when you finally saw it. It was also a really good movie. Yeah, but the gentleman was, I didn't see the TV show, but I hear the TV show is great. Yeah. The Covenant is really good, underrated, I think. Yeah, we must. The Gentleman movie I just saw for the first time on the plane about a year ago, really good.

And I'll tell you, I think Aladdin is one of the better. Disney Rememings. I would agree. I also think Rath of Man is damn good. And not a lot of people saw that. That is one of the most serious, no jokes, movies that he's ever made. I think Covenant and Rath of Man are a great one too to show you the guy Richie could go more dramatic if you wanted to. Right?

So, yeah, because with ministry, he had a lot of jokes in that. There was a lot of fun. But yeah, I just wonder where he's going, now why, why do Roadhouse 2? I don't understand. Someone said Aladdin 2 is in wait, Aladdin 2 is in development? I don't know. That's everything. Let's go away.

Yeah, Mobland. He directed, I guess, how many, two episodes he directed. Rathamann, gentlemen, Aladdin. Man from Uncle was a good movie. Yeah, Ben from Uncle was good for what he was. But I

actually like the Roadhouse Toothing. I'm excited to see it. Reggie Brown. If Liv is going to be in Spider-Man, they got a higher so they're going to have someone shorter than tom holland yeah she's not going to be spider man she's not going to be in her mind because alexa must be losing her mind because alexus been trying to be an actress in hollywood is that true year or two yeah yeah i it's you know live morgan kind of that's the problem with wrestling dude is that if you stay and this is why back in the day they didn't want to take those time that time off because anybody can have that one moment in

front of the crowd and the star of today is is now the star of yesterday. Yeah. You know, like, like, like, what they do with a Ricky steamboat back in the day,

and it's the same thing. Alexa Bliss is big. She comes back. I, I was excited to see her return. I forgot until you just mentioned it up that she was back. That's the thing that's heartbreak. She didn't even have a match at WrestleMania.

And Alexa was like, Alexa's a multi-time champion. She was massive. Huge. Top five, top 10 merch sales while she was in the WWE. I'm telling you, Liv Morgan rose during that.

that time and kind of filled that void of what this was doing you know um future is ikeyes to mention i think they're going to do a combination of time runs out and both versions of secret wars and loki or keng will be molecule men definitely thanos spying getting ripped out that's right i guess is that is that what happens in uh the comics then yeah yeah there you go so you're I'd play it that way, I suppose you're right. Yeah. John Roker, the Palau. He's back. There you go. Folks, when I go to a movie theater

right before I sit down, I get on my knees and I kiss the seat, tongue included, that's the kind of hamill I am. Very nice, palo. Yikes. Thanks. Alex. A rock picture? How dare you? It's a good picture. Very much looking. Look at that. You know what? I'm going to go back to that picture. Look at that. You took

a picture with that guy. He gave the belt, the championship belt. You had a great photo with him, and now you take shots at them anytime you can that's not true any time Alex very much looking forward to hulking the hulkling being in the mc u.cuh i hope they go the predictable route and cast kit conners because joe lock and him have great chemistry and he does give up hulkeling vibes i don't know enough about hulkling to really say

how best that i am but what i do like what the mc u has been doing lately has been going a little darker yes you went darker in daredevil they go darker in thunderbolts yes let's stay with that yeah Stay with that. Let's go away from singing planets, shall we? God, that was bad. Hulkling, I don't know. We'll see how that all plays out. You know, because right now in this world where everyone's against a lot of things, I don't know how much Hulkling will be a part of the MCU, but we'll see.

We'll see. Do you know that during that singing planet scene, I wish that there was people that had a case of Uhoo that they could fire at my skull and put you in sleep? people trying to get you who is a sponsor of the show I didn't really exist it until an hour ago um go pal also I don't get the mission impossible to hate I don't hate it I just don't like it

I recently watched and still love the John Wuisms and Thandey Newton is the hotness not face off but close it's just a very when you compare it to what that franchise actually is for that franchise is just becomes intellectual you know that's what I like about it and that is not an intellectual movie at all it's say the problem with that movie John Wu is directing an Eastern film with Western actors. And it

doesn't work. The energy is not the same. The performances are not the same. If he had directed that with all of his Eastern, his Asian actors, that film would have been fantastic. But because it's Tom Cruise and Tanny Newton and you have, who is the guy that was supposed to be Wolverine.

Doug Ray Scott, who's probably the worst villain in the Missed Impossible franchise. It's not that good of a film. It's good action sequences, but the film overall, it's not good. Armada, 100 with Mike Kalinowski who wins Mike. Mike would win. Mike's got an anger side to him.

Oh, yeah. Give him a hockey stick. It's over. And then he follows it up. Oh, man, Mike says, hey, Armada, buddy, look at me. F them chickens. Exactly. I wouldn't know.

Mike would be a pretty permittal appointment against, opponent against chickens. Go pal. This Shogun has Japanese history to work from. That's true. I worry about the writers getting the same level, but more I'm sad some characters won't come back. Yeah.

I mean, that's always how it goes, right? I mean, there's one, There's one character in particular. I love that is not going to be able to make it back, obviously, because the character is dead. Zeus Fleming. Well, then Roman Rains was in Hobbs and Shawspot. He was in that, I forgot, but we didn't really do anything in it.

He didn't say a word in that. He didn't say a word in that. I think Roman Rings now could definitely do some really good acting, but not back then. Yeah, but how much depth he has? I don't know. I don't know. The leukemia kind of, you know, humbles you.

Sure, but I mean, can you can you lock into that on cameras that there is. Dingus McNally. You know who I think actually would be a good actor? I'm not a leading man, but it would be a good actor and like like the buddy cop or some of Sammy Zane. Oh yeah, Sammy could be fun. It's definitely in a comedy series. He'd be fantastic. I want to see him and Andrew Santino do stuff together.

Dingus McNally, support for the outlaw. Thank you. We also follow this up. Future's I guess. my idea isuka shokun season two is that is so i mean i don't know how many years after the first first uh season does that take place though isn't ysuka the uh black samurai right is that is that within the range yeah usuke is the the samurai of african war actually is that is that within range of the years it might be but i don't know if you want to do that

because i think he's in the new assassin's creed game and a lot of people are having issues with it. So, yeah, like everything in life nowadays. Do you think the smash is from Nathan Drake? Do you think smash machine will get any awards love if it's good? Ironclaw was shut out. Also, what's the history with rock and outlaw? I do think it'll get some love if it's good. Now, how much love, I don't know. And I think that because people, because it's one of those things. What does Safthe's one with, with Sandler was called what? I got gems. Right. That movie kind of carried on to people like afterwards. It got a lot of buzz. And then during award season, nothing really big happened with it.

But then it really caught a life of its own afterwards. And maybe I think those people are like, okay, let's see what his thing is with the rock. And if it's good, yeah, an 824 has a good track record. And as far as what's the history of the rock and outlaw? He used to be a good thing. He turned on him. That's not true. I have stayed the same fan of the rock I've always been. Because when the rock was good and great and top of the world there was no one better my twitter is at the roca says in honor of the rock at the rock because he says the rock says and that's what the thing is and i and christian was very kind to have me interview him twice once for baywatch once for jimani and he was a wonderful guy but what we've seen over the last few years of the rock is that he can't take a loss he can't take an

And he starts to come up with these excuses for the reasons. Instead of going, you know what, didn't work out this way, going to learn the lessons, dust myself off and do better next time. Instead, it's no, no, no, the black Adam made money according to this accountant and we move the zeros here and move this around. And it's all this stuff to try to brand save rather than just be the honest, goodhearted, caring person you always were. And the humble one who can take a loss, learn from it, move forward, and do better.

And turning on the critics to go, well, I make movies for the fans. That's even more of them. That was after Baywatch. He got ravaged for Baywatch. And it's like, well, no, because you were happy doing stuff for the critics and the fans to buy to play into that division. And just to conveniently help yourself, I think has been the mistake. So he's changed a lot recently. And it's just I'm not 100% on board with it.

But I still love him. I still love the rock. I always will. So you heard of her, he turned on him. All right. So Armada. 100 U-Bowles versus 100 Jeff Snyders who wins. The question should be 100 Jeff Snyders versus one U-Bull.

Yeah. Because Jeff Kroft, wouldn't that? Yeah, to Jeff Snyder, as he says all that time, Yubal whoop that ass. That video that's still on YouTube somewhere. I give Jeff all the credit in the world for getting in the ring with him, but Yubal kicked the shit out of him. Yeah.

Did you ever see that video? Yes, I've watched the video. We're getting friends, becoming friends. friends, I had never heard about this. And then someone mentioned in some, some either Collider Movie Talk or Collider Mailbag when Jeff was on his guest. And I was like, what is this? And then I went home that night and watched it on YouTube.

And I was just, how you haven't watched that with him on the hot mic together is unbelievable. That's a great point. We should do that. Like it's a crime almost. I don't know what the credits or the rights on that stuff is. But yeah, not a bad idea. Same thing you were watching a trailer. Harv.

Okay, love this week's Xander episodes, but it really shows within the story. universe that 2d video monitors for communication and entertainment is still superior to those lousy hologram. 100% true good point harves um shame arkell i always plan to see thunderbolts but tomorrow i'm going to do the responsible adult thing by calling up work and going to the theater smart it's good well it's i told you the thing that i did when i was working at alkan entertainment i had vacation days that i never took it took sick days i think for like that in vacation days

I think it was like a full weekend. I just stayed home and played Night Soe Republic. Ooh. Yep. Nathan Drake. Anyone ever talked to Nost? I still remember the match when he got an almost impossible five-pointer against Jeff and lost. Even Jeff felt bad for him. Yeah, I remember when they played each other for sure. I'll talk to Nost here. He's running his show and he's been super kind

with, he keeps, he asked me to come on and I've done it a lot of time. I like his show a lot. But I have, I just, my schedule just sucks. and it's just very hard for me to do anything except my stuff. So that's, but he does, he checks. I've, I've, I've talked to him. Johnny, you can talk to him at all? No, we don't talk.

No, we were great doing the show. We were, you know, great co-hosts for that show. But after the show ended, we've only had like one text exchange or two in the last year. Why did you never did his show? Settle the score. I've done the show before, but, you know, after we ended top 10, I think it was pretty clear that we were going to go our separate ways and do our own thing. and he's never reached out to ask me to be on the show

over a year. And I probably wouldn't do it, to be honest, because it's just like, we're just not there anymore. And so, and it was a fun run, though. Top 10 was great. I would love us to do a reunion show one day, live somewhere. That would be awesome. Always respected, you know. Elusive Rock.

The studio is my favorite show the past decade. Last night's episode was Pure Gold. Remember the rumor that Feige said the fantastic forecast was too white? Is that what happens in the thing? I haven't seen the episode yet. The whole episode is about like how to cast without offending people. And it's the whole, I mean, it's genius. Genius.

I love it. I love it. Jake, I flew to the Shmodeown Spectacular 4 Live event back in 2019. And John, when I saw you strutting out the building holding the belt after being Shazam, I thought to myself, that's the goat right there.

Yeah, damn right. That's awesome. That was a great moment. That was a great moment. Right. Where was that? That was in L.A. It was when,

Oh, is that the one where I was sick after we beat? Yes. That was the one where you showed up when you showed up. Yeah, that was crazy. That was that was touch and go that morning. I was like, I was like to get texting you back and forth. I'm not going to be here, guys.

I remember that. Crazy. Yeah, two or three hours of good. That was nuts. Down there in time. Yeah. Nuts. Shea Markell.

Bella is clearly a brilliant actor. So far, I do prefer the video game. Take on Adult Ellie. She's actually one year younger in the video game than the show. Again, another fair comment. You know, people who have traded it. It's like, I like her as an actress,

but I just like Ellie's character better in the game. That's totally fair to say. Ask, man, any updates on Ryan Johnson's Star Wars movie? Come on. Come on. It's like, he said before Tykes, they have a writer on it.

Okay. The hell's that mean? Until they start shooting. Does anything that Ryan, Ryan Johnson's Star Wars trilogy has been talked about since 2016. Yeah. 10 years. What are you talking about?

They're waiting for people to like not care about Last Jedi and that's never going to happen. Broome boy has it. Broome boy has it. Oh my God. Ryan Johnson, this is the thing I never understood about people who actually really like movies. I think it's fair to say that Ryan Johnson, you know, Star Wars is not good.

I think it's fair to say. There are other people who really like. What am I saying? What I say? You said Last Jedi? You said, The Last Jedi? You say it's not good? Yeah. Saying Last Jedi stinks.

But I think Ryan, but I think Ryan Johnson's great. I think Ryan Johnson's movies. As a director. Yeah. Looper's great. I think his stuff that he did in Breaking Bad is great. I like Knives Out. Poker face is great.

I haven't seen poker face, but I hear good things. He's a great filmmaker. It's like, I just don't like that movie. And I just feel like, oh, he's the worst. I want to sport anything he does. Why? See it, if a baseball player has one bad game that you didn't like, you're not a fan of that baseball player anymore?

Yeah, that's weird. I don't, I don't get it. But he ruined the game. We lost the game. Yeah, but he still hit out, but he had a couple of nice hits the next, the next couple of games. You just turn on them that quick. It's crazy because half the fandom loved it.

So, you know. It's true too. Yeah. Armada. Outcast and Soundgarden for the rock, rock and roll hall of fame. Good choices. Good choice.

Shea Markell, like many of us, I really dislike the negative public discourse about Bella, but we know the internet will be brilliant and horrendous. It is true. There's some stuff that I saw. It's like, she's still just a young kid, you know,

I mean, She's 20 years old, 21. That's why she doesn't use social media. She's very smart. She doesn't be social media. She's very clear about who she is. She's an outspoken person for advocacy and causes. So she's not,

she's no dummy. I just saw a bunch of memes. It was just so mean. It's like, you know, like a performance and I want to show. It's so mean. Maybe it's just because I'm dad now.

Like, imagine that was my kid. I'd be furious. It's like, it's always jealousy. She's living her dream. You're sitting at home, working at a job you hate,

with, probably no girlfriend, no friends, your family hates you. Like, there's all these people who create negative shit like this. It's because they're just jealous. They're just sad, jealous people. I have to hurt others or make fun of others to make themselves feel better. And what they need is therapy, not social media. Like I said, I have no problem with people saying they don't like her interpretation of the other. Yes, that's fine.

And to push back against, there are people who just, if you say that, they go, oh, you don't like her because this, this and this. And you don't like it's the same people that if you don't like, you know, certain things on Star Wars, then you're the bad guy and your massage and everything. Right. You're allowed to have the take that you don't like what she's doing as Ellie. That is fair. Sure. That's an opinion. Absolutely. To put memes about the way she looks and other things to do it because you don't like the way the character is and the way because she was cast and you're like, that's just, it's just mean. Because what it boils down to, and I'm going to say this and probably get in trouble,

it's it's these guys who want to have a young actress that they want to be attracted to, that they want to be sexually attracted to. And they're mad that they, an actress that they don't they don't have an actress they can feel attracted to and so they're upset about it they wouldn't give a shit if it was live morgan as i'll say this they wouldn't give a shit if it's live morgan as ellie they wouldn't care but because it's bella and they don't find her attractive they make these ugly memes about her which is horrible horrible it's pretty horrible this is little yankee just finished and or season two episode six the last time of the episode took me 30 minutes to get through so intense it is it's intense the show just gets

more intense. Just you wait. The next three. 20 minutes left, John, and you got 81. You're moving. God. You're moving. 70.

I pre-bought Thunderbolt's tickets for 3D, 4DX. Good. People are starting to get into it now. People are starting to, I don't know. I'm so curious for that show on Monday, John. See what it ends up doing. Shea, funny enough, Sam has cured me from disappointment with movies and stuff. Your friend is chill and now I'm like, it's fine.

It's not that serious. Yeah, exactly. If everybody watch movies like Sam, it would be so much more fun to be on the internet. Brother, most people are like this. That's what the most, that's what the people who do our, who do what we do. And then also the fans who watch this stuff, they don't understand. Like regular people are not this emotional about movies. It's movies.

It's like, it's like, if I was sitting around a table with my friends from home and we went out to dinner and I started telling them that they were like actual like, hateful wars about Star Wars. They wouldn't even believe me. They wouldn't believe me. If I told them about all these things that people get up in arms about this type of stuff, they would think I'm crazy that people would actually take the time out to fight about whether or not Star Wars and stuff. So it's, yeah, it's funny.

Tronan, Tony Storm should be the next wrestler in movies. Is that the one in AEW? Yeah, she is amazing. Now that's an actress. And she was at the TCM Film Festival over the weekend because she does homages to old films. Yes. And so she was,

Menkowitz invited her and she's great. So yeah. That I would have been on board with. Paul, been a member for three months. Thank you, Paul. He's planning in the Empire Strikes Back theme party. Have a room set up for Hoth and Dagabaa.

Hey, Roka. What's the third plan, Empire Strikes Back? It's your eranus. That's what it is. You're still getting that. Shea. Christian, can I get a, Back to formula.

Saying that's so much. And we were watching those Spider-Man movies. Roca, can you say something about having gravitas? Yeah. Your mother has gravitas. Whoa. What did I say?

That's not negative? I mean, she's got like depth and complexity. That's true. Joey Peders, either are you planning on seeing the movie friendship with Paul Rudd and Tim Robinson coming out?

It looks hilarious. I saw the trailer for it. It's one of those ones that I'd probably catch on streaming. Okay. You? Yeah, it looks good, but I don't think I'll catch it in the theater. Yeah, listen, I don't go see those smaller films in the theater much anymore.

Especially for our work, like it used to, very different for how it was back then, how it is now. It's just differently. If I was breakfast all day, would I love those guys? Then yes, I would go see it in the theater because they do an out of theater reaction for that movie. People actually watch it. I do an out of theater for that. No, but I do want to see the movie. Ryan S.

I met the Rock in 2018. He was great. I paid hundreds for Raw in Minneapolis before. WrestleMania and I couldn't believe it. No Rock, Sina or Cody. Burt Kreischer had more ring time. Very disappointing. Yeah.

It's like they, they did, they'd handle this whole run very, very poorly. By the way, I didn't know Chrysler was a Seminole. Dude, did I, I, you never heard his story about me and him? No. I don't, I don't really gravitate to this kind of comedy, but I was

the first time, shocked him. He, I, he, I did comedy with him the first time he ever did stand up. And it was a potbellies. And he tells the story all the time. But like I, uh, I had been doing it for a little bit and I had made the mistake in the past of having a couple of drinks beforehand.

And it's like, now you're going to rely on it. I'm not going to do it. And I told him that I saw him, he had a lot of people there because they had a Rolling Stone magazine. Oh, that's right. I profiled him. Yeah.

Right. So I said, dude, do not. If I can give you advice, don't drink before you go on stage. And he's like, why not? I go because you, because once you're going to want to rely on all the time. He says, now he never, he's told the story a thousand times. He was, you can't go up on, he has no stage because of what I told him on stage that day the first time he did it. But yeah, I know Bert, I've known Burr for a long time.

He used to, when I went to started doing at the Boston Comedy Club in New York, that's when I started to even having more conversations with him. But we almost got him on the show a couple times. Nerds Engage, gives it five memberships. Thank you, Nerds Engage. I appreciate that. Sean McKay, support for my beard, Roka. There you go. He still wants, he asked Roxy yesterday.

if you should shave it off. I would totally shave off his beard. And I would do Scottish acts. I would do Braveheart lines the whole time while I'm shaving. Perfect. Larry Bridges, John Cena had a lot of memorable matches. I can't think of any.

What about the punk one? You had a good one with punk? That was punk memorable for punk. Oh, man. Jake McAveta. Crawford's Pepsi commercial is iconic, but my number one is Allie Landry's Super Bowl Doritos one in the laundromat. Oh, yeah.

I remember that one. I'm not sure. Have you watched, oh, Ali Landry. Is that, oh, that's different than Ali Larder. I was thinking, I was in Illinois. Interesting. Nathan Drake, Bibbs like Thunderbolts?

Shocked. Yeah, I am. I am shocked that he liked it. U-hoo is great. Had a yu-who and so long. I got to get some U-Hoo-Hs. Chey Markle, as much as I hated the gunfights in havoc, Gareth has the best hand-to-hand action in the business right now. I am the only person, me and Quir,

are the only two people who enjoyed watching that movie. That movie was so bad. But I told you, though. But remember I said to you the other day, I'm not going to argue with anyone that says that. I know, I know. Yeah, because I understand it. Larry Bridget.

You can order Yahoo off Amazon, just letting you know. Oh. You can't cans or bottles or even the cardboard containers. I would love, do you know why I would order that? And I would order it to see the look at my wife's face when it shows up to the house. Don't put this shit inside you. And don't put this near our kids. Right.

Right. I respect your opinion, though, Roke. Larry Bridges said that. Thank you, sir. Shea Markelle, I feel it's. signs that Gareth is a new age director has written all over how he moves the camera to follow the action like a TikTok dance. I love it. I love that

club scene. I love that. Love that club scene. Gang of London is a better Garrett that project. Rocking movies with Tyler Harloff and everyone if you're looking for a new book, then look up Voice of the Ocean by Kelsey M. Pitchie. A recommendation of, from my girlfriend. It's the Little Mermaid meets what's POTC? I don't know. Thank me later.

Meets POTC. But either way. Pirates of the Caribbean. Oh, a little moment with a lot of the Caribbean. Okay. Perfect. Perfect.

Okay. Kelsey and Peachy. All right. Thank you, Rock and movies with Tyler. Zeus Fleming. You see, he was a little person is a great anime and Netflix to the same thing, starting Lake Steinsfield,

uh, Steinsfield highly recommend. Okay. Yeah, I mean, it's just a matter of Zeus. It's like whether, how long in a time period,

uh, yeah. It's a Shogun, is it? Shane, Markill, hear me out. An equilibrium,

remake by Christopher Nolan. I mean, yeah. You told me that he was going to do Christopher Nolan was going to do a remake of Gile. I would say, all right, let's do it. It's Christopher Nolan. He must have a good take on it. Infection, Christian wants some Yahoo. And John is here, so there are a few good men.

I may have to handle the truth that I have to put out my superchats later. John, my better actor. Have you seen the deep cover trailer? Who's in that? I don't know. Deep cover. know is the Lawrence Fishburton. Yeah, right. That's where that

187 on, uh, yeah, on first debut. Hank Pimp lived to star in the Barb wire remake. Please. Please and thank you, Tyler. It's about that level of acting. Yeah. It's about that. The author is a St. Louis native and my girl and I met her Monday and she was lovely, especially that she had,

especially that dress she had and even she was like, dang. That's awesome. Well, the deep cover trailer is talking about it. It's a new series from Prime Video. It's got 616,000 views already as a trailer. Wow. It came today. Is a fast-paced action coming. Who's in it? Sean Bean, Bryce Dallas Howard, in it. And Nick Muhammad and Orlando Bloom. Interesting. All right. Johnny Venerable, enjoying Andrew, but it's slower this season than I expected. It doesn't stay that way for long. Also, wish K2S.O is in the show more worrying the preseason height might be losing me a bit. It's too bad.

It's too bad because it is absolutely brilliant. It's too bad it's losing you because once it gets to the end, it is just its next level. It's been out for two weeks. How is it losing you? Hank Pimp, Miami Vice Remake with Miles Teller and J.D. Washington. Is that actually, I knew that they announced that they were doing. Is it actually Miles Teller?

I don't know if it's Miles Teller, but I don't know Miami Vice Remake is happening. I forget who's the writer, but it's a really good writer. Yeah, yeah, I remember that. Yeah, Joseph Kaczynski is going to direct it. Directed, okay. And Dan Gilroy, who wrote Born Legacy and Nightcrawlers, right? Yeah. Kenya King, I need to see Mars Attack versus the Emperor movie.

Okay. I don't know what that is. Dingus McNally, out of these 2027 movies, which one would you choose to see now? The Batman 2, Beyond the Spider-Verse, or Secret Wars? Probably Secret Wars, because it's the one that has the, it's the one to me that is actually seems like there's a narrative too and they're going to shoot both doomsday and secret wars back to back plus the fact i want to see doomsday and i'm going to want to see how it ends um but you know beyond the spider verse can be can have an argument for but i would probably say

secret wars yeah i would say secret wars but i have a prediction that two out of three of those movies will not come out in 2027 just putting that out there yeah batman two and beyond the spider verse maybe secret wars really i mean if they're shooting back to back with all that special effects and that whole cast. You think Doomsday is going to come out in a year with post-production? I think it probably comes out in December. Yeah, which will push the other one. In 2006, and then it comes out of 2027.

It's next team here. Back to back. JJ Walker, Skywalker. John, who's a non-premier league team that you hate? Oh, shit. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. I don't think of that I had a lot of soccer team.

I guess Real Madrid, I guess, because they always beat us in the Champions Champions League finals. So yeah. Agree. Agree. Agree. Go, pal. The only bad thing about Soundgarden being inducted to the Hall of Fame is that it should have been 10 years ago, a part of the Travis.

Agreed. Totally agree with that. Didn't the lead singer take his life or am I thinking of someone else? Yeah. Doug developer. Any scenes in Thunderbolts that could get an audience cheering. Yes. Not counting Dead Pull Wolverine.

we haven't had those scenes in the mc u yeah definitely there's quite a few yeah and there's a few that might get you emotional too yeah oh yeah it's true i was surprised how emotional the movie was actually yeah alex in my opinion disney was more lgb t friendly and authentic way when i was younger and they weren't trying to appease reflection from loulon was huge for me as a 10 year old i have hope for hulking and wickon because it's marvel i agree with alex 100%. i mean alex speaking as you know, a gay man when he is watching this stuff as a kid, like watching certain things that he sees the way that inclusion

is and he can feel it without being beat over the head. And you and I have talked about this many times over, right? There are times that when it's like, when it's pushed, it hurts the cause more than it helps it. And it's at times it's like, you cast the right person, you cast a right person, you cast to it.

And if there's a mission, if there's a message that you're telling out there and you're not, again, every movie has a message. every movie has a message. The question is, are you going to get beaten over the head with it? So I agree with you, Alex. I think that to me, it's like,

people are worried about not getting yelled at at Twitter now. And this is why I want to see this episode of Studio to see how they do it. Yeah, yeah, it's really funny. Well, also, we got Val and Sinto right now in, and Orr, and that's not beating you over the head. It's very clear. Andor, I mean, Cassie and Ander alone.

And, yeah. Shea Markell, support from a cave's beard. There you go. Perfect. Jake was re-watching some old schmose no shows for nostalgia. So many great moments. Ellis to Tiffany. So anyway, let's talk about your dad's penis.

That was the most hilarious moment ever. It was hilarious. Again, that was a very different time. I bet you today he wouldn't have done that. Future Millionaire, Star Wars prequels over sequels. Thoughts? I agree. Precels over sequels. Yeah.

I would much rather watch the prequel. I disagree. I disagree. You can only watch, you can only watch three sets. One, two, or three, or you have to watch seven, eight, and nine. You're watching seven, eight, nine? I watch seven, eight nine. Force Awakens is better than any of the prequel movies, in my opinion. Better made, I think you're probably right.

But the first move, but all the prequels, they at least have a narrative that fits together. And one, after you see one, you know that two sets up stuff that eventually leads to three. which are like, oh, it all leads in together. And because Lucas at least had some kind of a plan as opposed to JJ. I'll do the first one. Who are you going to get now, Ryan? There's so much terrible acting through the prequels where there's, I don't think there's terrible acting in the sequel trilogy.

And although the third one, I've still never seen Rise of Skywalker since the screening night that I saw it. Right. It's, but I would power through it because I still enjoy half of the Last Jedi, all of the Force Awakens. And there are some good scenes that I remember in Rise of Skywalker. Whereas prequel trilogy,

that's just tough for me to watch that those films are rough man for me for me fair enough um all right let's see let's get to this 85 john he did pretty damn good he did good with five minutes to spare yeah you did 85 that's a pretty damn good week for you in general no i know you're about to say next you can't combine monday no i know you already said that you ever said that so crap all right can't find you what's going on yeah at the roca says twitter instagram tic-tok blue sky and threads come and hang out with me y'all i'm a good follow i get controversial but i also have some fun things to say so come and follow me there but my youtube channel is really is really where i want to see y'all go ahead on over there youtube dot com slash john roca says all the great content going on there the outlaw

nation thanks frisian good to see you again take care everybody thank you we'll see john back here on monday as we will talk about out of the um box office and things that happen with thunderbolts over the weekend. Oh, there's one more there. I'll read it. John Skonski. Several movie people should be on the lookout for. I would say Mission Impossible for sure. Superman and Fantastic Four, those are the big ones. There's another one. What would be hilarious is that if, if John winds up winning while he's not here. Lights, camera, super action. Lilo and Stitch seemed like a guaranteed billion-dollar flick. Superman might be. I'll be happy if Fantastic Four.

First Steps hits 800 million. What's your guess of it? I think 800 million is a, between 700 to 800 is a good guess for that one, dude. I think that's a good one. Superman probably again, the same thing in the 700 to 800 range. And Lilo and Stitch,

it could be one of those huge movies. It really could. It could be one of those huge movies. And I hope it does. And it's like families are going to be all over that thing. I got to get my little one to watch, the original animated. But man, yeah, like I said,

a million times over. It is all about if you can get families into the theater, you're gonna do pretty damn good. Look at Inside Out last year. Look at Minecraft this year. You can get people, you can get those kids into the theater.

Give them something to watch. There ain't nothing for them to watch right now. So that's what I got. Oh, we've got some more. I'm just trying. Dingus McNally, when is the iron claw reaction coming with Sadie? We haven't done it yet, but I think, stop it, fan numerator. I beg of you, stop this, stop this.

Dengis McNally, when is the iron claw reaction coming with Sadie? It is going to come in probably after Miracle. She's never seen Miracle. So I think that it's, she asked me about the other day. I do want to check it out though. Um, so it would, okay, this is, this is, you got to, you got to stop. You got to stop. Okay.

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