The Kristian Harloff Show - Ben Affleck is not interested in being part of James Gunn's DCU!

Episode Date: March 17, 2023

Sign up for the website! (Free) See the exclusive event next week. https://thekristianharloff.com Ben Affleck says he doesn't want any part of the direction of the new DCU. He doesn't have beef against James Gunn, just doesn't like the direction and made it clear that he does not want to direct anything for them. He also spoke on Joss Whedon's Justice League being the reason he has such a bad taste of the genre. What is going on with Zack Snyder? The director teased something with Darkseid and Henry Cavill. What does it mean? Boom Studios presents is back and it is a great one. This and more on today's Big Thing Capes and Cowls with Kristian, Winston and Coy! #DC #DCU #marvel #Shazam #snyder  This episode is sponsored by Carbon Health: http://www.carbonhealth.com MANSCAPED: http://www.manscaped.com/big thing CODE: BIG THiNG THANK YOU TO BOOM STUDIOS! Become a Patron!: https://www.patreon.com/TheBigThingShow OUR MERCH STORE IS LIVE: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/the-big-thing-kh-channel?ref_id=27393 FOLLOW KRISTIAN + FIND HIM ON CAMEO https://cameo.com/kristianharloff https://twitter.com/kristianharloff https://facebook.com/harloff https://instagram.com/kristianharloff AMAZON WISHLIST: https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/1KPH42T0TP0PG?ref=cm_sw_em_r_un_un_djbxgIW5ZQMMg SCHMOEDOWN ARCHIVE CHANNEL: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheMovieTriviaSchmoedownArchives Ask Kristian questions for next time! https://facebook.com/harloff Become a Patreon of the Schmoedown: http://patreon.com/schmoedown OTHER GREAT CONTENT: REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT368qY7sfE0nKE4c04CqGvu TV REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT1LU-t2Z9AD5UJDiWW4pS_E STAR WARS SHOW https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT0XmfpbblkF9PY7uO2qhbN6 THE BIG THING PODCAST https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT3KAwbzDsv6mdR-gwUiydQg

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They asked him, hey, man, you want to do a, you're going to direct a DCU movie? He said, nope, don't want to do that. I don't mind James Gunn, but I don't really like the direction they're going, so I'm not going to do it. Interesting. He also says that he didn't like the Justice League that Josh Whedon did. It broke his heart, and that's why he didn't direct the Batman. So getting to that. James Gunn, speaking to him, he's directing. Superman, but it's official now. And not the flash, but something inside of that world, Shazam, the reviews are in.

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I'm going to start out here I'm going to talk about this uh this story with Ben Affleck it just it just hit and it's it's really it's it's big because James Gunn was talking about Ben Affleck um directing he said we met with with him and we and and he's you know he doesn't have a anything yet, but he's excited to do it with us. So sorry again, coming from Comicbook movie.com. Batman v. Superman star Ben Affleck says he's not interested in directing a movie for James Gunn, DCU. Now, despite James Gunn saying that Ben Affleck is being eyed to direct an upcoming DCU movie, the actor has definitively stated he's not interested in working with DC Studios given the

direction that they are headed in. Now, they say, consider us confused. Me too. When DC Studios unveiled its Chapter 1 gods and monster slate for the new DCU, James Gunn confirmed that while Batman will be recast, they want to work with Ben Affleck behind the camera. He also said that Ben really wants to be part of our team trying to bring it together, and he really wants to direct one of our projects, and we're still looking forward to him doing that.

In a subsequent tweet, Gunn then confirmed that he met with him. And then, Athlick recently sat down with the Hollywood reporter and said this, I would not direct something for the James Gun, D.C. Absolutely not. The actor and filmmaker replied, I have nothing against James Gun. He's a nice guy. Sure, he's doing a great job.

I just wouldn't want to go in and direct it in the way that they're doing that. I'm not interested in that. Affleck is either looking to throw fans off the scent here or the meeting gun winch and went really, really bad. He had once been lined up to direct the Batman when it was set to star his dark night and looked set to pit the hero against Deathstroke, and then he said that he might tackle Brave and the Bold.

It's certainly possible that Affleck is trying to maintain the secrecy surrounding DCU, however, taking his comments at face value. It's impossible to come to any other conclusion than him not being a fan. of what gun and crew are doing. Needless to say, we want to see what DC studios detractors taking great delight. We needless to say, we anticipate that the detractors are taking delight in their remarks from the former Batman. All right, there's a lot here.

And there's a lot that I actually agree with the way that they break this down. This is one of two things. It's either, one. You know, they're working on something, and people are, they want to wait and get the hype really going once he announces that it's this movie. Like, gotcha. We're just kidding, which is fun and be cool.

Or it's legit. He had this meeting, sat down and goes, no. But he's a pretty outspoken guy. Yeah, I feel like Affleck's very, uh, to the point. So he's, he's looking and he's going, yeah, I don't want to do that. And I like James Gunn, but no thanks. Um, I am right now saying, I think this is a legit story. I think that he, I don't think he wants to do it.

No, I agree with you. I think that this is a legit story. And the reason why is, I think even though Gun is a showman, and Gunwood love to have like a ha ha! I think he's very aware of the fact of how sensitive this is because there are too many people that are still calling for his head and the head of all of D.C. for not bringing Snyder back. This is, that would be a very poor decision to pull a gotcha in this manner.

You already have people up in arms about the way things went down with Cavill. You already have people up in arms about the way things have gone down. And why would you say inside of a tweet, yeah, we got him. And then he said, oh, you know, I just told everybody that we got you. you contradict that. It doesn't. It doesn't add up. So it makes me actually believe Ben Affleck here and think that this is a real deal.

And because otherwise, that might be the first time that I question James Gunn's judgment. It's like, what did you do that? Not when you've already said, you know, hey, we got this guy and he wants to do it. We just got to figure out how and then telling him not to make no sense. Especially because you need the hype beast right now. So the last thing you want to do is to have this coconut. Yeah. No.

That's what's intriguing to me is like, did James Gunn really misread a meeting to the that scale. Like, did, did they have a meeting? He thought it went one way. Ben Affleck thought it went another and this is just the first time we've heard Affleck's side because at the end of the day, Affleck's just now promoting that movie air, which I hadn't heard about until last week, which is really insane. Yeah, like, I saw the trailer for a while ago. But that's what's crazy is like, I got asked if I wanted to like do a thing with it and I was like, wait, Affleck's got a new movie coming out and I had no idea. So I think this is really good on Affleck's part. Right. Because now he's getting depressive DC. That's a great point. I'm thinking about it from the macro.

It's a great point. This is the first time I've heard a an article mentioned air, and I'm hearing it because of D.C. So now Affleck is getting all the press. The big snowball effect is right in his wave. And now you can talk about your smaller sports movie. So, well, and there's two sides to that. It's one, it's legit. Right. And he's like, yeah, you know what, I don't want to do anything. And he just waited to say it until he's promoting his movie. And I might as well just say it now. Or you're playing a ruse and going, I don't, people are just going going to cover it anyway. And either way, the timing is DC. Right. I happen to think, I think we all think that he's legit about this. And he's saying like, you know, I'm going to use, I'm going to use that

meeting to promote my movie and let people know that I have it smart yeah it's it's it's is air really a small movie when you consider the cast it's a small movie yeah when it comes to when it comes to this year yeah you can have dude there's tons of big actors that are in small movies i mean especially it's what 60 million maybe yeah it's a smaller movie for sure compared to like the when you compare to theatrical release now it's coming out in april is it big in cast is it big in stature is it big in story i mean as far as like the the gravity of the story yeah but as far as movie scale goes 60 months. Well, I get it on a smaller budget, but still, like, a big movie because of, like, you said, the subject material.

It's not small in 1998. It's not small when Damon and Affleck were making a movie. But that's what I'm saying what? With Affleck directing, both Affleck and Damon and Viola Davis and... Jason Babin. Jason Biggin. It's a great cast. I literally heard about it last week, and I am the most maybe plugged in, like, as far as, like, in the scale of...

Not amongst us, but, like, in the scale of the world, like, we're in the top 2% of plugged in. And it's Affleck. So I was shocked that he had a movie this year. So I think using DC is a great way to leverage press. Yeah, it is. And it's very interesting that, um, this, it's, yeah, it's disappointing too, by the way, because I really wanted it. We talked about it on the show like two or three weeks ago, is that we, we all want,

I think him directing Brave and the Bold would have been an absolutely amazing announcement and a good way to do it. And especially if air is as good as we think it's going to be. I mean, the trailer, did you watch the trailer? Yeah, it looks incredible. But think about Affleck at the Gramies, was it? Like, he was with J-Lo. He was some award show and just the shot of him handling,

being at an award show is how I feel like he is in the industry. He doesn't want to be there. So why would he jump on a tent pole? I think he'd much rather make a bunch of these movies of Matt Damon, and he'd rather make a bunch of $60 million movies. I don't think Affleck wants to be anywhere near that cowl out of just like stress and what he's dealing with. That's what it is.

Like the what he went through and what he's talked about, you know, the stress of playing Batman and all that too. He doesn't need it anymore. But he's not starring it anymore. He's directing it. But still two years of your life. Oh, yeah, it's a lot. And you're going to be the one getting yelled at.

I want to do more dunk ads. Like, I want to ask like happy. Why did they take donuts out of the title? Go ahead. No, no, no.

Well, because they sell sandwiches, I know. Well, no, I was going to say, weren't they, that the whole thing with Dunk and donuts

wasn't like they were a donut shop that evolved and something else, right? Yeah, because I go there for coffee. And now they sell everything else, too, but I was a kid was donuts. But I didn't say,

Affleck that happy. Like that dunk sad is like that's Affleck. No, he's, and when he's making movies like air, that seems to be what he wants to be doing. He's doing all right in his marriage life. He's not hurting there. He's not hurting with money.

He's not hurting with getting work. And if he doesn't want to do, he doesn't want to do it. Interesting, though, but you know, a lot of times, by the way, though, but a lot of times, by the way, when people have conversations like this, they're not as honest.

Meaning, like, even Ben Affleck, So say something along, it's like, yeah, you know, we'll see where it goes from now. I'm not really, I'm kind of focusing on this at the moment. Is normally the type of answer you get? Not only did he not say, I don't think I want to do that. He said, I don't like the direction they're going. Yeah, he was real candy. Well, can I, can, I think that this is a good transition point,

because there was one other story that he would mention about AFRIC and about D.C. Yeah, it was very, very interesting to me. It all seems like an open wound. I agree. Yeah, that apparently Ben Affleck was broken by what, Not broken, but he said he was heartbroken, heartbroken. Okay, heartbroken. Yeah, he said, Josh Whedon,

Josh Whedon's Justice League broke his heart, and this is why he didn't direct the Batman. So Affleck, and is, again, going to Coy's point, talking more so because he knew he's going to get these kind of questions, and so he's just shooting from the hip right now. Ben Affleck got candid about his experience working with Weedin on Justice League, and he confirmed that was why he walked away from the Batman, and the actor and filmmaker also teased his role in the flash.

While the tragic death of his daughter led Zach Snyder to walk away from Justice League, it's hard to escape the feeling that Warner Brothers would have always had Joss Whedon at the helm of those reshoots. See, that's the big report anyway. I mean, yeah, that's, they, Warner Brothers kind of did not, did, did Zach Snyder dirty way before the tragedy. But anyway, we know the Avengers director's script changes were thrust upon Snyder before he departed the movie, and the belief was clearly that he could transform it into a hit. while what we ended up with definitely rhymes with hit. That's funny.

The critical and commercial bomb ruined Whedon's career and a series of damaging allegations about his behavior on set. Those opened the floodgates and the disgraced filmmaker no longer appears welcome in Hollywood. During a recent conversation with the Hollywood reporter, Batman actor Ben Affleck reflected on the Justice League experience and admitted it caused those stories to become somewhat repetitive to me and less interesting.

This is what Affleck says. Justice League, you could teach a seminar and all the reasons why this is not how to do it, ranging from productions to bad decisions to horrible personal tragedy and just ending with the most monstrous taste in my mouth. But I was going to direct a Batman and Justice League, and it made me go, I'm out. I never want to do any of this again.

I'm not suited. Well, there's our answer to the past the other story, too. This was the worst experience I have ever had in the business, which is full of some shitty experiences. It broke my heart. There was an idea of someone coming in, like, I'll rescue you, and we'll do something. 60 days of shooting and I'll write a whole thing around what you have.

I've got the secret and it wasn't the secret. That was hard. Atholic then went on to say that the time he spent working on those reshoots in London contributed to him drinking too much as it was either that or jump out the window. After that period obliterated his interest in the superhero movie genre, the actor then said he came to the conclusion that the franchise was no longer for him. Despite that, he does praise Zach Snyder for getting his cut of Justice League on HBO Max and says he didn't hesitate to join the filmmaker for reshoots.

I like a lot of stuff, but we did, especially the first one. And now, Zach Snyder's Justice League is my highest rated movie on IMDB. Say what you want. It is my highest rated career movie. I've never had one that went from Nader to Nadeer to Pinnacle. Retroactively, it's a hit. I did finally figure out how to play that character, and I nailed it in the flash, she said. For the five minutes, I'm in there.

It's really great. As we suspect, as Batman is going to play a very minor role in the Flash. and it will now service his farewell to the Dark Night, despite their plans for him to be part of crisis on Infinite Earth's movie. Athlik has made it clear he isn't interested in James Guns, DCU, so unless Marvel Studios can win him over, that might be it for the actor and superhero fair. So, yeah, I think we get a lot in here now from this, and a lot of kind of confirmation from the previous one.

Absolutely. I mean, it makes logical sense, not that you have that context. If this did that much damage to him and how he sees not only, only the character. It's like me and Collider Live. Honestly, at that point, if that's what he directly associates with it now, I'm not surprised that unless James Gunn came to him

with a bulletproof, this is what I'm thinking and what I would want you to do. And he's like, okay, cool, you've restored my faith. If you're that turned off, you have to have a bulletproof plan to get somebody to come back. And why risk it, dude? Like, I mean, like, everything you were saying,

his career's fine, his life is better, like all these things. He's in good shape. He doesn't need it. I also, like, if it led him to drink to that level and like if he feels like he's got his life together, even if there is a bulletproof plan, there's always that moment of like,

ooh, I'm saying the word Batman. Like if there's the trauma attached to the thing. It's not just that, man. That's two for two or O for two of being, diving into a superhero identity. Yeah. And it's just fully blowing up in your face. Let's never forget the dare devil and everything that went down.

He already was hesitant to take the Batman thing. He was like, you know, it was so long ago. I was young. This seems like this is really going to go in a different direction who doesn't love Batman. And so for him to, go out back on a limb, essentially taking an X back and being like, this is going to be different.

And she breaks your heart a new way. And she breaks your heart in a much worse way. The two best director's cuts are Ben Affleck movies. Daredevil director's cut is two letter grades better than the movie. And then Justice League, I think Justice League is, it goes from like a C minus to an A. I want to give you guys some trivia that you will not know. Evervessence.

No, when I was on for the day that the, some of the audience might know this, But the day that the Ben Affleck, as Batman News broke, we were on Shmose. Yeah. And we had a very special guest call in to give their thoughts about what had just happened. And they were in New York. It was raining. And they were on a call.

I don't know. I don't even have been a pay phone. But I don't think it was pay phone. But it was in the rain. It was in the rain. Holland Farrell and phone booth. But someone would call. And we talked to this person for a good 15, 20 minutes, maybe even longer.

And it was the first time that they were ever on the show talking about. Ben Affleck. It's relevant to today's show. I'll tell you that. Wasn't James Gunn? No. Okay. Relevant to today's show.

Was it... There's no way to be Zachary Levi. It was Zachary Levi. What? Yeah, it was Zach Lee Lee Lee. That's fun. That makes sense. That tracks time.

If you go back to... If you go back to that, he was his first... It was the first take that he ever gave on Beth was on the phone on the show. And then he came in... Then he was on the show a few times after that in person. But yeah, so it was just kind of ran.

random trivia. That's fine. Anyway, yeah, he was a big part of the space back then. Yeah, yeah. I miss, like, when the movies and us got to interact more linearly. Like, I feel like there's a lot of different, like, parameters or everything now, but like, when the nerd culture was coming up and it was still like underground, it was such a different conversation. Oh, 100%. Like, and that's why I'm said by James Gunn. Like, I feel like a lot of people, like, I've been saying this since he got announced. I think he's got his finger on the pulse because he was in that space with us coming up in a way that it wasn't removed like these suits are. And I think that as bad as this quote sounds from Affleck, it's about the trauma of what Affleck went through

more than what James Gunn is doing. So I think a lot of the people that are gun detractors are going to be like, see, Affleck wasn't interested. But he's clearly like, I went through some stuff. It didn't matter what Gunn said. I think it's a mixture of both. Yeah? Yeah, because I think it does matter a bit what gun says, because I think that when you're sitting in that room, if you're Ben Affleck going, all right, because he's taking the meeting. Sure. So because if it was completely, if it was, if it doesn't matter what he says, he wouldn't even take the meeting. If he was taking the meeting and he's sitting down and he's going, listening to him going, yeah,

this is, I don't want to do this. Like, I see what he's saying and he's trying to do like, you know, his own kind of idea of connected universe and he wants me to do this. And I have no interest relating it back to that trauma, but just going, yeah, I'm good. And then Jay La gone, we don't, we don't, we're good. The bank account's good. You know what also would be really funny about that is if it was a situation

where he already felt some type of way, I can totally see as any good partner will do, but like any good woman at your side, the minute it's like, maybe they came to me with the, but uh-uh, put them on the phone right now. He ain't doing it.

He ain't going to do it. Yeah, yeah, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not going to let you me. And you're not, but as much as you're kidding and serious at the same time, like, you know, it's not be surprised. A hundred percent. I wouldn't, like, my wife would.

If I was in a place where like, if, again, and this is, again, I make it very, very clear that there is nothing against the, you know, the, especially the people who are there now, because they're all different, but like, if, if Clyder called me up today and was like, hey, we're going to reboot Claire Live. We want you to come back. We got you to do this. We had the money.

We want to reboot the whole show. My wife would be like, no way. You're not doing it. I can't believe it was that bad. Like, you tell me how much you really just don't like it. If I could remove anything from my life in my career, it would be that show. I would put it in the toilet and flush it down. Can I tell you then what's really impressive about you is that from all those times

because I'm assuming around the time when I started showing up, you were already past like I'm over this age. You got to remember that during that time in, not too professional. I had to freak out on anything. remember I got in trouble for it. But, but the whole point with, but with all of that, the reason why, and again, this is, as we're talking about in the beginning of the show, the whole reason that you talk to people, you don't hold it in, you don't do all that, because, because look at him, you know, I'm trying to comparing myself to bad effort, but just saying in circumstances like that,

I guess it is comparable. Yeah, because at that time, in July of 2018, Schnepp passes away. Three and a half weeks later, my brother passes away. I carried a year of not talking to anyone. And doing all these things. And then plus, I did not, I mean, the people I worked with on the show were great. I had good times them too. But I did not feel like the show myself.

Any of my co-hosts were appreciated on the show at all. And I carried it for a while. And I carried it for a long time. And like I took it into work with me that day. And I paid for it. But it's like, but that's the type of thing. Would I want to go back to that? No, does he want to go back to that thing that when he wakes up?

He thinks about like he said, he was thinking about jumping out of a window. Instead he drowned himself in the bottom. And look at Affleck's career when he had to take breaks because of drinking. And, like, I, this episode, I think, airs on St. Patrick's Day. I like alcohol, but I also see the slippery slope of it. And Affleck's been one of the biggest faces of that going awry without it being tragic. Like, he's been a guy that's been a guy that, like, if you look at Candids of Affleck, the man looks broken a lot when he's drinking.

And I'm just so glad to see him healthy. I'm so glad to see him happy. And it was like we talked about with the Rock thing. Like, I was worried about the Rock like as the dude. Right. Like the man himself. And that was a darkness on his Instagram. I'm afraid, like, Affleck going back.

even hearing Batman could lead to that. Because the other thing is too with work-wise, right? We don't know his whole entire relationship with Jalen, how long they're apart from each other, right? As you said, two years being apart. If it's that strong, because a lot of times, there's strong people in your life that help you and everything too. And if you're not around those people,

I mean, not saying the guy's not strong and can't handle it, but two years being away and doing all these things traveling and inside of this type of machine again, if you're him, you're going, no, I'm good. I understand that. I do get it. I just, it's just the thing that to me is him going so candidly going, I don't like what they're doing.

It's what it was, it wasn't him saying, that's not where I want to be anymore. Yeah. It's him going, I don't like what they're doing. This is the one time because I still, I am on the mind that I think,

I like that James Gunn is so candid and out there on Twitter, but I still think sometimes it's too much because I think that he's going mental wise, you know, I don't know how he does it. He loves to do it, but he does, I think,

but this is the time, where's he on this? Yeah. I want to hear this. This is where I want to hear James Gunn go. Okay, wait a minute. He just said this. True, false.

This is when James, don't respond to, you know, fart fest 73. Who's like, who's going to? Oh, you don't know what you're doing. That's a lie. Great, we know that guy's lying. What's going on with Affleck? That's what I want to see James Gunn response to. Well, speaking to that, the story I want to talk about.

Yeah, let's do it. James Gunn is officially directing Superman as well as writing it. And I think the way he delivered this news, as well as the news itself, is pretty delightful. and heartfelt and exactly Superman. So I definitely want to talk about this. Go ahead. Okay, I didn't know if we were getting the graphic. So basically, James Gunn...

Because I'm going to edit it. There will be a graphic. Oh, okay. Really, hold on. So basically James Gunn took to Instagram the day after the Shazam premiere, which I really enjoyed the fact that he didn't make this someone's news story at Shazam.

He made it his narrative and confirmed that he is in fact directing Superman. So about a week ago, Tom King, one of my favorite writers, the guy that's writing Supergirl, The Woman of Tomorrow Comic, as well as seemingly the movie said, yeah, James Gunn's directing it. And then the word got out.

Nobody was like, I think that's happening. But he hadn't been officially confirmed yet until this Instagram article. But what he said was really beautiful that it's due out on July 11th, I believe it is, 2025. And his brother, James Gunn's brother, pointed out that that's the day his father's birthday. So he didn't feel a connection to the script until he realized this was coming out on the day of his father's birthday. And he lost his dad like three years ago. And that basically he saw in Superman. the Kryptonian raising and the Kansas raising

and how that made him connect to the character. And so years ago when he got offered Superman, he never found his way in. He never saw his eye line into the character. And I honestly really respect a director being so forthcoming with like, no, no, it's not for me. I can't see that thing. I can write it.

I can do whatever. But then in writing it plus that moment, he was able to connect the character in a new way. That's good. And like tragedy can connect you to things. 100%. And if you can see the humanity in Superman, the reason Superman's so hard to write

is because finding the human connection to a character that super is so hard. If you find the human connection to you personally to that level, I have never been more excited for a Superman movie than a director and a writer going

and in that moment I connected to my father who passed with this character and now I know my way into the character. That is exactly what I want to hear from a director. So yesterday when I was, or two days ago, when I was live streaming,

one of our patrons, Darien was like, he had sent me that story and he's like, hey, you know, he says it's going to be this. And I said, are you excited about it? And I said, well, I don't know yet if, I mean, I'm excited.

to see what the take is going to be, and I'm excited because Superman is my favorite, out of all. Superman's my favorite. Because my dad, when he took me like Superman 1, Superman 2, the Donner movies, to me, those are still, obviously because of my connection to him, so my favorite, like Superman 2 is still one of my favorite comic movies of all time. And Donor Cut, did you watch a Donner Cut yet?

I'm saving it. You got to watch Donor Cut. Anyway, are you doing that for Real Rejects? I did the first one. I haven't. If you're not, I love you to do this. I love to you. I'll watch a Donor Cut with you. That'd be so much fun, man. I'd love to hear your take on it. I would love to watch the Donar Cut. Because Donner Cut, yeah, it's a whole other conversation.

But anyway, Superman and him doing that movie to watch what you're saying, the way that they're breaking it between the connection to it. Yeah, I'm pretty excited about it. Are you? Yeah. I mean, I really like James Gunn as a director. So any opportunity to see him got like Helmut again, that's the one thing I was a little concerned about with him becoming an exec is we were going to lose that creative side of him. clearly not. But clearly not.

You know, the fact that he went from not only I'm writing this, but now I'm directing it as well, the only thing that makes me a baby bit nervous, but that's why you have a co-CEO, is that if you get too caught up in your own project that you're going to let other things kind of slip through the cracks. But I think, again, you bring in a co-CEO to already kind of lay this out, okay, I'll handle this one.

So in that period of time, I'm obviously here, but I take it and I'll focus on this. He's also on that 25-hour The Rock Work Day, because he's on Twitter. He's doing the movies, right? He's doing, though, also. So as I remember, I think, I guess like last time I was wrong, I said it was a three-year deal, but I guess it's a four-year deal that they have.

And so he's utilizing that time right now. Yeah. I mean, he is, we don't know if he's going to be at this speed for the remainder. Let's say if it's a 10-year deal event, eventually. He'll have to back off. He's probably in the back-out, but if he's like, look, I have four years. Right. And I'm going to, I'm going to approach it, you know, and the good news is that his wife is in the D.C.

You know what I mean? You can work with your wife? It's his wife. They got married this year. Okay, they got married this year. So who is she? From peacemaker. That's right.

That's right. That's right. She's great. And she's in, well, she's, yeah, so I don't want to give anything to.

But she's, yeah, she's been, and she was in, she was in, she was in the post credit scene of black Adam. But she, but anyway,

she is not going to say, hey, want you to scale back. She's going to go, hey, can you fit me into this one? Which I understand. But anyway,

like the, this is a good, good move for him to do with this particular. I thought it was really beautiful. We live in an age where, you know, headlines, he's, I love the disruption he is of fake news. I love how much he's like, that's not real, that's not real. And even like recently, the most recent one I saw, I think, yesterday, so two days ago when this airs, is there's this great Twitter called the Art of Batman that goes into the art of things. And it was saying that Batman can't appear in the Penguin show because of licensing issues.

And he literally said no. And then he clarified why he said no. And even little moments like that just allow for less clickbady articles. And that wasn't necessarily clickbait because he was saying it's not a licensing issue. He's not saying that he's in it, but it's not a licensing issue. So that does allow us to know that clears the way for Batman TV, which is good for the growing DCU. But James Gunn doing that I think is really good to get rid of clickbait, which is an entire market that makes our job harder. Because not only does it make us look bad when there's something wrong, but it also makes us have to compete with people that can lie.

So I love that James Gun is that forthright. And he's also being this heartfelt to deliver the story and the news his way, not someone going like, hey, you're directing Superman on the Shazam red carpet. Because that would have undermined Shazam and made a less exciting story. Well, that's why I want to see him address this Affleck thing. And also Affleck directing those smaller movies, I think is better for us than him doing Batman. Two years on Batman or four small movies, I think is better for art. Yeah, I'll tell you what's better for you.

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I don't know what this is all about. But it started with Zach Snyder teasing Darkside. Everyone's like, well, he's doing this thing now in Netflix. Who knows that this is true? Darkside. Director Zach Snyder sends speculation into overdrive with a cryptic darkside tease. Well, this came out of nowhere again for comic book movie. Justice League director, Zach Snyder, has shared a cryptic incoming transmission featuring the voice of the villainous dark side. What could it mean?

Justice League and Batman v. Superman director, Zach Snyder has taken to Twitter to share a cryptic video and fans are convinced that is something to do with the return of the Snyderverse. To be fair, it is. easy enough to see how people would jump to that conclusion. The incoming transmission is only 15 seconds long, but it features the voice of the Snyder Cut villain Darkside as he tells listeners to save the date, 28th, 29th, and 30th of April. So he just says full circle. I don't know.

Let's see what says we can play this. Sorry, everybody. This is the actual. I haven't heard of this. Have you guys heard of this yet? I've been fascinated about this. Yeah. April 28th, 29th, and 30th.

Save the date. Hmm. Okay. And this clearly has something to do with the Snyder's DC Comics-based work, but could it really be teasing the filmmakers return to the DCU for new projects? It's one possibility, but there are other, excuse me, there are several others, including the return of the SnyderCon and a theatrical release of his director's cut of Justice League.

Warner Bros. Brass made it clear that the Snyderverse was over after the release of Zach Snyder's Justice League, but maybe the current management had been more receptive to the idea somehow. DC Studios co-head James Gunn has previously confirmed that he's spoken to Snyder about the DCU slate, so maybe they have decided to collaborate. If so, expect Gunn to weigh in sometime. And let's see, I'm going to actually couple up and go to this next story also because Snyder, so we'll talk about both of these things. Snyder also talked about Henry Cavill.

Following yesterday's mysterious teaser video, Justice League, Zach Snyder, has taken to Vero to share a pretty big hint about what he has stored next month. Yesterday, Justice League and Batman v. Superman director, Zach Snyder shared a cryptic video featuring Darkside, sending speculation into overdrive. Some had hoped that this might be teasing Snyderverse, and the filmmaker has all but confirmed his plans with a new post.

The incoming transmission told us to save the date, and this shot of Henry Cavill's Superman also lists Snyder's DCU movies Man of Steel, Batman v. Superman, Donna Justice, and Zach Snyder's Justice League. We're going to assume that these films were returning to theaters for a limited run on those three dates next month. So there's a picture of Henry Cavill and it says return to the cycle. Some fans will seem to be holding out hope that this is a new DCU project for Snyder on the horizon, but it's time to let go of the Snyder's for good. this is what this is what a common book movie says Warner Bros. made it clear they had no interest

yada yada yada and do you think if this is the case we see these films in the theaters all right so we got that tease and then I think that they probably this is what I think happened I think he put this tease out with all the little dates and everything too for first Dark side saying come check this out

and you know what is it what is it what is it and everyone starts talking and then whether it's James Gunner somebody is like hey Zach do me your favor post something else just to give a hint to let you this so we don't have to go through this. And because Snyder and Gunner are tight. Yeah.

So I think he's like, hey, no problem. So I'm just letting people know. Because it's probably some kind of deal that Snyder's going to see some more money this comes out. And then we'll see what kind of reaction it gets. I think this is 100%. They're putting these movies back in theaters. I think that they're going to get,

they're giving the Snyder versus fans an opportunity to see them in the theater again and see the Snyder cut in the theater. And that's it. That's what I think. What do you think? I think it's all profit. movies are done. I think it's a smart move on Wonder Brothers part if they're trying to

keep in good graces of all the fans. I think it's a good opportunity to kind of beta test how popular they still are because we had some really tricky things with like bot farming where it was like this is really popular, not as popular as we thought. Tickets are going to show. You tell me Morbius, yeah. It's going to show

the reality. He loves that story. He really does. It's like a meme came to life. It's insane. It's purely from the standpoint of Did you ever do something to your parents, like a phrase or a prank, that they just truly don't get it. Yeah, yeah. So it was like, for me, it was like Chappelle on Chappelle's show when he was talking about when they started saying,

Skeet on the radio. Yeah. It's like, the thing about Skeet is why people don't know what it means yet. So they'd be like, ah, Skeet, Skeet, Skeet. Oh my God, what have we done? Like, that's what happened with Morby. If they were like, it's morbin time, guys, we got to put it back. Yeah, and then they put it in the theater and it ate a pile of duty.

But that's what I think Snyder, like this might be that. Like, we're going to see if the fans are as. vocal, so I think anyone that's a giant Snyder fan should go see it in theaters. I also am excited about the idea of the Snyder Cup, but what's a four-hour movie theater experience? Like, it never aired that. There's a reason it was in pieces at home. Intermission. Have to.

Dude, there was no theater going experience. Live theater that don't have no intermission. If you're going to do four hours, then give it to me in two and say, we're going to take a 10, 15 minute break so I can go pee and get some more snacks. And if it's only those three days, is it a marathon of, like, one a day? Is it all of them back-to-back? Like,

what is this? Is it still available on HBO Max? I feel like it is, right? It has to be. Yeah, I think they need the money from it. Yeah, true. I don't know. Because that was their set. Like, they pitched to get each other.

That was it. To go. But I, but we all think, though, by the way. It's theatrical. This is all just theatrical. There's no, because the other, the other Hail Mary outside thing was that, you know, they saw that it was going around, take it to Netflix, do this for Netflix, right? Now, the only way that I could potentially see that happening, which I don't think is

be very clear. I don't think that's going to happen. But the only way I could see that happening is Zadlov's saying this. All right, we're still in the hole. We need some money. You know what, remember what Marvel did with Sony? So here's what we're going to do. We're going to reach out to Netflix. We're going to make a deal with Netflix for a certain amount of years. And we're going to say, hey, we'll make a deal with you that for Snyder and Snyder only. You know, we're going to give you a license to these characters. As long as you make a deal. movies with him and those movies go with him and the Snyderverse continues over there we will license that stuff out to you it's a dangerous game but all super dangerous game do i think it's

going to happen slim to none but here's a one percent one percent one percent a big one percent of emotion but here's my other thing we just talked about how ben afflic is like done done do you think that that he would willingly come back to be roll with even though he said what he said what he said what he said remember what he said in his comment he said he doesn't like the direction that that gun was going. Absolutely. But I also know from the standpoint of... It seems to really be a big Zach Snyder guy, Affleck.

He is. He definitely is, and he said he did appreciate what Zach was able to kind of go. And I went back to the richards from bottom to the top. And I understand that. But knowing full well what that potentially means as far as like the drinking hole he was in, we just read about it and all that kind of stuff. But again, he was in a drinking hole because of weed in and not, it wasn't the Snyder stuff.

It was because he came back for Snyder. And again, Not to, it's, it's, but that's, that would be a separate thing altogether. That, that, that is a task all in itself, but it's not the task. The task is saying, how do you figure out between Warner Brothers and Netflix? The answer is, it's not going to happen. But if it did, it'll be a way for Warner Brothers to profit. It would be the other reason that I wouldn't do it if I was Warner Brothers,

because when you're, it's confusing. And it also, if I'm James Gunn going, what? You don't trust what we're going to do? It shows a lack of confidence in the new guard, if you're leaning on the old guard. I think there's a definitely profit to be made. Unless you licensing it, though. Well, look at the Batman animated series. Amazon just picked it up.

Remember, they dropped it on HBO. They just picked it off with that amazing roster over on Amazon. So now Amazon, if you look at Amazon, it's actually like the most stacked animated, like, market. Like, because they got invincible, they got that, they got all these things. So I could see Netflix being like, hey, let's make long form stuff. Let's make another Snyder cut. Let's make four hours. It would be impossible to do because with stars that big, trying to keep their stuff under wraps would be,

people would be like, well, why aren't you available for X, Y, and Z? but the only way I could see this happening is that if you're letting the DCU get its lift off and the Snyder stuff at Netflix was happening on the low low and then you find out like a couple months

before it's supposed to drop hey guess what we've actually done as part of an elseworlds over here at Netflix but you would literally have to do it in complete silence because you would be undercutting yourself it's too confusing it's too confusing but so I think and what it's also going to be a massive indication

of what Snyder wants to do is the question of what is this movie comes out December on Netflix. That's what I thought this was. It said incoming message from Darkside. I thought it's because Ray Porter is in Rebel Moon. Yeah. I literally thought it was like the actor that plays Darkside has something to say. And then they had three dates and I was like, Rebel Moon can be an absolute game changer for Zach Snyder. Like an absolute game changer for him. Let him have his own IP. I would rather Zach Snyder play in his own sandbox than have to share. Because if Zach Snyder can create his own universe out of Rebel Moon and it turns out to be a massive hit

and you can make TV shows out of it, you can make spin-off movies out of it. You can do all that. Why would he need to go back? I mean, I know, I know, I know, I, I know, know that the, it's blasted me to say inside of the Snyderverse fans, but it's like, if he creates this whole thing, that's the other question that I have, though, too, and it's the one that I was wonder about. I know that, you know, it's, it's sometimes there, there are different scales, I think, of, of, of, of fandom in general, right? So there's a, there's a scale of the fan that is a DC fan, but inside of the DC fan also became big Snyder fans and liked his vision of it and believe that he truly was the one to give their, what they always envisioned it,

and what they saw they loved it and they embraced him for it. And there's that. And so they still love DC, but they don't like the James Gunn stuff. They don't like that stuff. They don't like what Snyder is doing, but they're still DC fans. But then there's people who just say, like, ride or die Snyder, whatever saying. But why aren't they following him over to his other stuff? That's what I think is.

That's why I think this is a good test because what is the Snyder fandom actually do it? Is it a Snyder fandom? Or is it because they seem to be like Snyder, right or die Snyder, this is good. That's why I say Rebel Moon is so big. Because if they are these rider-die-snitnervins, then that movie should have astronomical numbers when it debuts on Netflix. And it really should.

And it's like, because it doesn't seem to be, what I was always going to say is because you look at like Robert Downey Jr. And Robert Downey Jr. did the judge. Right. Didn't do very well. Wasn't the judge pre-MCU? No. It was the first thing you produced under his new banner in the MCU.

Yeah, it was nominated. And Robert Javall got nominated for an Oscar for that movie. But I remember that. Yeah, that was after, I think, I remember. Man 3. It was just a shame. But there were a couple movies that he did that they didn't follow him over there. But didn't have the kind of social kind of, you know, it's true.

But he didn't have that. They wanted to make that a franchise. Right. But they didn't have that kind of social, you know, I shouldn't say following because he's got a big following. But like that kind of the passion that the Snyder fans have. Also, the internet doesn't translate to ticket sales. I'm very excited for the day that TikTok is not the barometer by which they choose what fame is. I'm very excited for the day they realize that.

You do realize that that day is. never coming, right? Because they said the same thing about Vine. And then it was going to be in the way. I understand that. I'm not saying that TikTok won't. I'm saying this. They keep falling for the trap.

But it's because they want numbers because suits like to go, that's a number. And they feel comfortable with that. And I'm saying, that's a trap. Remember Fred from YouTube? It's exactly. Nobody remembers Fred. What? Fred was the biggest YouTuber every.

He was this kid who did this like high pitch voice. And he was a big, they gave him his own series. They gave him his own movie. And the movie tanked. And it was like because it doesn't always. It doesn't transit. It doesn't transit. It's like when you have a podcast,

that doesn't mean people are going to go to your YouTube. Because it's a different medium. It's a different format. Like I think Mr. Beast is fantastic. If he's in a movie, I'm not seeing it because he's in it. But it's also why, going back to what we just talked about with social media,

it's like the bubble itself is like, even though social media is loud, it doesn't speak for the majority of the audience. There's tons of stuff that were big social media stories that the average person doesn't know anything about. And if I brought up, like when I was at my, when I was at my dinner and drink,

with friends from New York in Queens and my family in Queens and I was talking about they didn't give a crap about the Oscars and I sent you guys though too after reading about it was so funny your text out of nowhere because I was literally

I was on the plane I was I was so enjoying like the world's talking about movies for once and then I get this text from Christian like it doesn't need to be and I was like what a different night we're having 100% I think it was and again it's a different conversation

it was a good show but it showed I mean even the ratings were up 12% and it's the lowest rating shows of all time on the Oscars nobody cares about I mean, well, I care, yeah, you're in the movie bubble. I care, I'm in the movie bubble.

That's what I'm saying. It's a different world. That's what I mean. So I'm talking, like, a lot of my, the people that I was there didn't even know that the movie, the Oscars were on, didn't know any of the movies that were even nominated. Those same people, if I brought up at that conversation about the Snyderverse, they're like, what are you talking about? Like, everyone knows about the Snyderverse. No, they don't. Everybody knows about what's going on with DC.

Nobody knows, everybody knows what's going on with Marvel. Everybody knows that there's a new Avengers movie coming out. No, they don't. It's specifically, I mean, you go across all social media, but it's specifically Twitter. It's very funny. Yes, I hate it. I wish it goes away forever. How it's specific.

It's the worst. Specifically from the standpoint of like, for example, Yellowstone is the, I don't know if you all knew this, is the most watch TV show in like the last decade. It's insane. Had no idea. Yeah, I know. But that's because. Wow. It's even high.

Perfect. Hey. I'd like to be sopranos level too. Thanks. But I, but I didn't realize this. And it was a news report that came out where it's like, we have this idea of those that are on Twitter or on, like TikTok is doing well for itself. But even that, you think that it's as big as it is. And to a certain point, sure it is.

But Twitter in particular is like nothing. So when you think, oh, everyone, like you said, is talking about the Snyderverse. No, they're not. Grandpa's watching the Effens Yellowstone. I'm loving it. And he just talks about it with his home. And I'm not saying it doesn't have impact. It certainly does.

It certainly has impact and it certainly does things. and it certainly has, you know, clearly that social media was the reason that the, that this, the Snyderverse cut was put on to. And you can use social media for great. Social media is a great marketing tool. And you are going to hit a good majority, but it's not as, because it's like, what I used to say to Roxy, Roxy would say, like, I remember when we were doing Clara, she was like, and she talks about it all time, so I'm not thrown into the boss.

She used to go like, well, everybody's talking about it. I know, who's everybody? Yeah. And she's like, I saw a couple people on Twitter talking about. I'm like, that's not everybody. When you look at a Twitter trend that it's like 1,300. tweets and you're like that's not that's not a lot it's like yeah it seems like you know

because you see like it's the same thing we've all done it we said hold it there's a couple of comments that are coming through a video and you see four that say I don't like Winston but everyone else says that they do you're like man they don't like me it's like four people and it's just because they maybe said it a little louder or put it in all caps right or maybe we're a little more creative and there's 10,000 views so those four are nothing

right or it's the idea of it's that bias that happens where like if all of us if You were like, man, you know, I'm thinking I'm going to get a new car. Maybe I'll get a Nissan Ultima. And all of a sudden, you see every Ultima. But the truth is, you probably saw seven. And they were always there, but you're just, you're looking for that. Well, psychology is pattern-based.

So we need to have that to understand concepts. So I think the Snyder thing is really interesting because it changed the way the studios look at the internet. But he hasn't had a movie. I mean, the Netflix zombie things did well, but they didn't do like astronomical. No, that's why I'm rooting for this rebel. Because being a sci-fi thing, and I really like his style when it comes out. And I think that we were just talking about beforehand, his director's cut of Batman v. Superman and the significantly better.

Now, I still think they were, the fact that they had to be so long in order to do it. I think because of streaming now, that's why I think that the Justice League works. That's why he should live on Netflix. I think it's a perfect medium for him. You can do that and you can be as long as you want. You can set up this whole thing. You can take an interval see if you need to. I'm excited for a new, like a new IP.

I think we need it. I think especially science fiction if it plays out. That's why I'm excited for air because I want new original content, even though that's a biopic and whatnot. It is. It's original to us as a market. But Netflix needs to actually buy theaters and release if people that want to see it. I think all studios needs to buy movies. I 100% agree.

I think that that was one of the because that rule was off the table a couple years ago where they couldn't buy them. I think, and I know that in no world would Regal and AMC want that to happen, but I think it would make so much more sense. Competition. If Disney bought their own theaters and Warner Brothers brought their own theaters and then it's just like, okay, I'm going to the Warner Brothers Theater tonight to go watch the Flash. I'm going to... 10 bucks for Disney Plus, $15 a subscription to the theater, too. That's it.

It's right there. And the reason why you do it is from the standpoint of why does the Snyder Cut never really get a theatrical release minus a limited run if that's what's going to happen? Theaters make money because of turnover. They love 90-minute movies because that means you can sell that many more tickets to get to get. Well, exactly. You need turnover. So if it's a four-hour movie, especially if you don't want to miss it.

submitted of it. You're not running out to go get another pizza. Totally. But imagine, like, if you're going to, like, you know, you're going to a Warner Brothers Theater and there's all this stuff for DC everywhere and there's stuff for their movies that they made in the past and it's like these big kind of theatrical thing. Yeah, but then the money that they would spend

for the theatrical release and the money that would go to the theaters now goes to them and then they sell and they make the profit off of the, you know, also the concessions. And the game shop. AMC and Regals like, shut your mouth. Don't take that. Don't you do it. But that competition will help them do better just like any competition. The studios would bury them.

It's supposed to, but the studios would bury them. Absolutely, because think about it. Would you rather go and see Batman Brave and the Bold at AMC? Or would you rather go see it at the Warner Brothers, which then on top of that is going to have the, they'll have more access to said costuming. You'll have more access to special events. To directors, Q&As, all that kind of stuff. You're going to set yourself up for that, not AMC, and now they're freaking out.

Well, I just think we came up with a great idea, so much of a great idea that I would almost say, boom. They're back, everybody. Boom Studios, and Koi teased it on the entire show what we're talking about here today. And I've been waiting for this. I have been waiting for this. And since we partnered up with Boom, I am pumped. This week, the Immortal Saga ends. That's right.

Keanu Reeves' groundbreaking series, Berserker. It began almost exactly two years ago, and it was an instant phenomenon becoming the highest-ordered original comic book in 30 years. The series follows an immortal war. Curse to Violence as he carves a bloody path through history in search of answers to the mystery of his own existence and how to end it. Now, 12 issues later, the epic story, it's coming to a close with its final issue, and it's written by Keanu Reeves and Matt Kent. And the art is also by Rob Garnie. In addition to an incredible main cover by Ron Garney, fans can celebrate the Milestone Comics event with stunning variant covers by Matt. Matt Kint, Alex Malave, Boss Logic.

I love Boss Logic, that's amazing. Oh, he's a great, always too. Jerome O'Pena, Raphael, Grandpa, and more. The new issue is available now at your local comic shop, and you can catch up with this series so far with the Berser Volume 1 and 2 collections, out now wherever books are sold. Issue number 12 will bring the main series to an epic conclusion,

but the Immortal Saga will live on with several special one-shot issues beginning this summer. The universe of Berser will also soon expand into other mediums with an official novel announced at last year's San Diego Comic-Con, hey, I know who was there when that happened, and a Netflix live-action film and anime series in development at Netflix. Wow, this is awesome. So I'm not even going to start because Coy was the one who narrated the whole panel.

Go ahead. Have a bless. Okay. To be, it's so cool to see a news brief that I have. like got to do. Berser means so much to me because I was there at the beginning and this is something that I loved so loudly that the creators heard and that just feels, we were talking about the internet and like scaling it linearly and how rare that is, this is that moment where I got to love

something so much that the people that heard my love were like, hey, this guy loves the thing. This is like my pride and joy and I literally saved it until today to wear it. This is the second time I've ever worn this. Minus is capes and cows, such a. What is it? That's great. that's pretty awesome so the book is genius

this is a trad more piece on my back and the artist they've chosen for the variant covers are all incredible Rafael did the original cover for berserker number one. Ron Garnie does the main covers in the interior art and they're two of my favorite artists hard stop. Ron Garnie, it's funny, my dad doesn't care

about celebrity at all so like he was excited because he likes the Matrix and stuff but he was like Ron Garnie's there because we're both used Ron Garnie fans. So what's cool about comic books is the medium is like we were saying, people have different loves and different things. Berserker brings all that together. Matt Kent has so many incredible books.

Keanu Reeves has so many movie fans. Ron Garnie is a legend in comic books. What they did with this series, they brought it all together, and the way Berserker is being told, he's an immortal. He lives through thousands and thousands of years. So this is one through 12 in one part of his life. The movie's going to adapt a different part of the life. It's not adapting the comic series.

It's adapting a different saga of Berser. The anime, different. The novel, different. So you can watch all of them. You can read all of them and get different stories. and all the ways. So this is issue 12 of this journey with Berserker.

Everything you see going forward is going to be brand new and different. They're not adapting anything. They're telling different stories. So I highly recommend you check out 1 through 12. See if it's your jam. Collected, there is 1 through 8

and the two volumes. It's 1 through 4 and then 5 through 8. I like them better as individual issues because to me it feels more epic to live through one at a time and kind of breathe it in. And 12 is enormous. It is a double-sized issue.

It is so great. I loved all the covers. I'm so happy for Bers. Talk about your experiences really guiding your life. I am not surprised by the fact that one of my favorite elements of the Matrix is the Matrix is when they dropped not only the video game into the Matrix but the Animatrix. Oh, that was amazing. Animatrix was incredible. I have no doubt in my mind that Keanu, as he was going through with Boom on this, was like, you know what was really cool was the fact that we continued to tell the story in different facets.

And they probably saw that and go, cool. Let's comics for this part of the saga, a movie for this. Once they saw it was viable, I think that that had to have been in his mind as this is a movie. And I got to say to speak backstage, I only have ever actually talked about this on air. Keanu Reeves, I've said, is the most hands-on I've ever seen a celebrity comic creator. Like, he actually is involved very deeply. And I was so impressed by how passion he was. But backstage, we were talking.

And I told him, so I got this berserker piece that is only available in that room. And I really wanted everyone to sign it because I was like, all I want from this is to remember this moment. And I want like the editor-in-chief of boom. I want everyone to sign it. And Keanu, like, didn't want to deface the art by signing it. But on top of that, I was like, the only thing on my wall, I've got this one wall. Currently is Jim Starlin gave me an original Thanos for my birthday. Jim Starlin, like, sketched me Thanos and wrote Happy Birthday, Coy on it.

What do you put next to that? Like, what else goes in that wall? And I was like telling Keanu, I want this to be the other piece. and Keanu was so excited to talk about Thanos and Starlin and his passion for comics and his all these things because he's so used to talking about movies it was so beautiful to see the man talk about other mediums, talk about his love of anime, talk about his love of all these things

because you see those clips of like I love movies but his passion for this comic was just as strong as his passion for movies his love of anime was just as strong and it was like different parts of his brain got to light up and then the whole team got to share in this is what we bring to the table this is what boom is what all these things are and I've never seen a company celebrate art in their own ways actually get together because some companies you've got

like cubicles and you feel like you stay that way and it's really gross this was the celebration of comics and this book to me culminating issue 12 feels like why we love this medium and then we get to see it expand but we never get to know what's coming next because they're not adapting they're telling more stories so berserker means more to me than i can explain and being a part of that panel meant the world and this book coming to a close is so bittersweet because i know there's more but it's also something that's been a part of my life for like two years. Yeah, it's really special. But it also goes back to the fact that what we were just talking about with like original IP with like,

what we're saying with Snyder, right? Yeah. So when you have this universe that they've got and they've got Canter Reeves as berserker and you're telling these different stories and you can find all these different ways to do it and they're going to have a thing with them. And then as he's, still he's had the Matrix. He's had John Wick. He's had all these things and to transition into something that he created. It would be very interesting and very smart for Boom to lock him up because everyone was always talking about it. As you said, he's a big comic book fan.

Like, was Marvel going to get him? Were these people going to get him? like who was going to get him. And boom got him. You know, and that's not to say that he's not going to do because he was going to do Constantine. He was going to do this other stuff too. And now they don't know if that's going to happen again. But either way, we know berserker's going to happen. That's part of his deal. So anything else as far as comics go?

This week is a really interesting time because we're transitioning into D.C.'s new dawn. So they're doing a lot of number ones over at D.C. I highly recommend the new Superman. I'm definitely enjoying Nightwing with Tom Taylor, bringing the Teen Titans. A lot of really interesting stuff over at D.C. Because I feel like they're going, okay, things are cooking. and see what stories are going to land.

So if you want to jump into comics, now's a really good time. And also something is killing the children. Also from Boom is just accelerating in a really wonderful way, which Netflix is doing. So, guys, comics are alive right now in the 90s way, and I'm very excited about it.

And once again, thank you to our friends over at Boom, who obviously sponsoring this segment and why we wanted them to, because they have stuff like this. This is absolutely amazing. Check out all their stuff that Boom has. Boom Studios and Berser. All right, we are going to wrap up in a second,

but I would be remiss if I didn't mention the Shazam reviews, man, they're in. Now, we've all seen it. Like I said, on Monday, we're going to have our full spoiler episode where we'll talk about it. But here is the article. Shazam Fury of the Gods arrives on Rotten Tomatoes at 69%. It's got 40 plus reviews at the moment. It probably has more since then. But the review embargo for Shazam part two has lifted earlier.

And while its Rotten Tomato score has been fluctuating, it seems to have settled around a 69 so-so review. The review embargo for Warner Brothers and New Line Shazam lifted earlier tonight, and the response has been pretty positive overall. It doesn't seem to want as many people over in 2019, as to 2019. I thought it was 2017.

19. Was it 19? All right. The movie's Rotten Tomato Score has been fluctuating pretty wildly, it doesn't help that the site is currently glitchy, but has now settled in around 69% with 45 reviews. Most critics praise the movies. Cast, agreed.

sense of humor sure while noting that it doesn't quite match the first film's charm all right the more negative reviews focus on the formulaic story facts repetitive action yeah and skittles oh yeah yeah i forgot about that and it is really annoying it is really really all i thought it was hilarious at first and then it's such a it's it's just such an ad dude it's such an ad um it's just like a slap in the face ad it's when it first started it was funny it was though it's cute but then it's like give me a break uh anyway Anyway, there's, and you can check out the reviews. All right, so we're going to do a kind of non-spoiler at the moment because we're going to get so heavy into it on Monday.

But as I mentioned, I don't know if you guys have seen or not, I like the movie. I thought it's fun. I actually thought the tone was even sometimes more consistent in tone than the first one was. I did. My biggest issues were very similar to what they had said. I did think sometimes the action was a little repetitive. Sure. I thought that the humor was pretty good.

I thought that it was pretty predictable. I think it's pretty formulaic, and I think that right now, if you want superhero movies to really succeed, you have to go away from the formulaic thing. Didn't work with Black Adam. Might now work here with this as the way that this is tracking. So I think formulaic is not the way to go. My biggest issue, as I have mentioned, I know that I am maybe in the minority, maybe not, so I think you might be on the same page.

I like Zach Levi a lot. I do. I think he's really charming. I think he's been in a lot of great stuff. And I think that he's just, he's a great ambassador for the genre in general. I think he's overcooking it as look at me I'm a kid look at me look at me I'm not I'm not I'm not 17 going into 18 I'm still 13 or 14 right and it you felt it because the bill is 17 18 years old I wasn't thinking

about candy and everything too I was trying to go I was trying to bone yeah I was thinking about girls in college he does it he plays like a little kid he plays like almost like what he did in the first one and it's years later yeah and so I think it was just noticeable like even when like Billy would have these emotional moments as Billy and then he turns into Sam and it's like and now he's just like this kind of goofy like look at me I'm still I'm trying to prove to you I'm a kid Also when when the lightning hits him

That's when he's supposed to have And they joke about this in the movie He's supposed to have the wisdom of Solomon And yet he seems to be because I'm more immature Right As I told I told coy that While I did enjoy the movie I thought it was fun I think my biggest complaint without really getting

Super deep into it because we'll save it for the spoiler version this is a movie about Shazam that has maybe 5% Billy Batson. Right, it's what it is. I said it's more Freddie's story. Right. Well, I don't even necessarily mean just like Freddie and that, like, if we're, even though they are the same person, if you were tracking Billy Batson as in like. Oh, it's more about.

Asher. It's more exactly. Yeah. He. Yeah. Right. Asher is in the movie like 5%. Right.

And that to me is a problem in the sense that. While a Batman movie, we want to see Batman out here doing the name thing. You need Bruce. You have to give enough of Bruce to make Batman relevant. And it's the same way that you treat, we talked about this earlier, musicals. You don't sing the entire movie. You sing because you need it. Right.

Because you can't express anymore. Right. That's how they talk. So even though Zach is the top build and he's the star and all that kind of stuff to not have Asher in this movie more, drove me crazy. Yeah, yeah. I think that's a great point. But, Coy, so did Greg Liker?

not really. Greg, not really. Okay, yeah. I think John's about the same. I think every more on your page, I had the most interesting experience where I was watching it, and I've really struggled with movies lately. I've been, I've been more cynical than ever, and I've been wondering if I've been worried for my experience in movies that I'm too plugged into Twitter and other things. And then this movie was like, five minutes in, I was like, oh, I have such glee and joy. Yeah, it's fun. But I wasn't able to assess it. I was just like happy. You're too plugged into Twitter, huh? Oh, I was your ass. I gave you credit. I told you. I told you, you both you were right. I didn't deny it. I just said I didn't have the willpower to stop.

It's a drug. I like the dopamine of rage. But like I definitely felt myself go like, wait, I can acknowledge that this isn't landing this way, this way, this way, but I'm so happy in the movie. That's how I felt with Black Adam. No, that that was a happy, fun movie. You were just so in. I just enjoyed it. I understand, but I think this is a better movie than Black Adam. But as far as overall filmmaking and story and all that, but I just enjoyed watching Black Adam. So when people had criticisms over it, it's very, very, someone or what you just said about this. I was like, oh, I get it.

But I didn't mind watching. We were all talking to love you. I was like, cool. And I didn't. It's not to, you kept saying things. And I was like, I understand that.

I don't. There's not an argument against her, right? It's like this. And it's the same thing. Like I, like all those criticisms, like I said, I do think there's the action is repetitive.

I do think the chemistry is good. I actually think that like Megan good and, she was so good. She is. Megan good. Um, uh, Adam Brody.

Yeah. I think that they played the character of like, you know, kid into superhero way better than Zach Levi did. And Megan Good's playing like a guy, what, six year old? And it's so good. And she doesn't... She was like 12 or 13 now, right? I thought she was like four in the first She's a little, she's a little older. She's probably around like eight or nine, maybe.

Well, okay, he was 13 and he's 17. It's been about four years. And she was like four. So let's just put the difference and say she's 11. Whatever. We'll say 11 or 12. Either way, she blended to me, Megan Good blended it, a perfect blend of, okay, you could still believe that's an adult, but we understand that it's not. You know what it felt. like, to be honest with you, it felt like the adult actors, the superhero version, actors of the kids, everyone had like one trailer, like a hotel room with like a door and like Megan would open it up and like talk to her, her child actors. Whereas Asher and Zach had trailers.

Different trailers. It wouldn't even talk to each other. And they never spoke. No, it's like they don't seem like the same person at all. And they have fun chemistry in real life. So it's interesting to see like Asher and Zach in interviews and then see Asher and Zach in the movie and be like, yeah, we'll talk about it again in full kind of spoiler about certain scenes I think that worked it. But there's also confusing, and I guess I, whether or not you knew it or not,

the TV ads spoil something, kind of big. And I already mentioned it on, on the show yesterday, but so people got pissed off. And the way they handle the thing that they spoil is so good. I love that. It's good. And I think that they marketed it because they were scared that the box office is tracking. So this movie's tracking at like 35 million opening weekend. And that's so bad. Especially when you've got John Wick, which is going to annihilate it. You've got, you know, Scream is still out there. Crete 3 is still out there.

And you got Dungeons and Dragons next week. This movie's in serious trouble. I don't, this is the last we ever see a Shazam. It's not coming back. I think we might see Shazam in supporting roles. Right. I don't know if we'll see the word Shazam on a billboard again. We're not going to see a standalone movie anymore.

And maybe a TV show. I don't know. But if this movie does not hit at least $85, $90 million and make a profit, it would be a major error. $200, it needs to clear. In opening weekend? No, no. General.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He needs to hit 90 opening weekend. It's got to make $85, 90 opening weekend. Yeah, that's not going to happen. Worldwide or domestic? I mean, domestic, I think. It needs to be. And I was saying $200 worldwide for like its run of the first three weekends.

This is also a rough weekend to do that. This is also safe. Patty's Day weekend. Well, but the kids, but the kids, this is for, this movie's four kids. I understand that, but you still need to hit that 18 to 30 demo. And if everyone 21 up is like, I'm going to go get trashed, that's not a good look. It's true. Look, so the movie itself.

It's so fun, though. It's a fun movie. It is a fun movie. And I definitely, I'd be lying if I didn't say, I enjoyed watching it. I thought there's some really good moments. It seems to good emotional moments. I wish the parents would have been used a little bit more than just watching news. Because I thought they were so good in the first movie.

The first one of different beating heart, and this one had bigger laughs. And, like, they're both funny, but it's a different tone of heart. And I thought that the laughs were relevant and it made sense. And I also saw Rachel Zegler was really good. I thought that, and I thought Lucy Lou and Helen Mirren, the opening scene was fantastic. I thought it was good villains. And we'll get into all that more on the spoiler on Monday. So you can join us on Monday episode with myself and Winston and Quay will be here.

But in the meantime, Winston, where can they find you? You know where to find me at the Swaggy Blurred, man? And I'm back streaming again on Twitch, so come hang out with me. Always tweet about it. So follow me on Twitter, TikTok, YouTube, all that good stuff. Got a lot of fun things across the board, y'all. In honor of St. Patrick's Day, follow me on YouTube. Do it for me.

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