The Kristian Harloff Show - BLACK ADAM Spoiler Discussion | Big Thing | DC | Dwayne Johnson

Episode Date: October 24, 2022

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What's going on, everybody? It's the spoiler discussion with myself and Coy Johnro on Capes and Caps and Cal's Big Thing. Special episode here on Monday. Thanks for joining us. I'm excited to have you on the show. I'm excited to be talking to you about it. And obviously, hopefully, you've seen the movie. Otherwise, why the hell you're joining us today?

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We're going to play big thing. That's what we're going to do. You ready? I'm ready. Everybody ready? Good. Perfect. Let's do it.

All right, everybody. Trying to give you a seizure. All right, how are you doing? Nice to talk to you. Nice to see you. Let's get right into it. It's going to be a good one. I got me.

I got Koi. It's funny because you said it before we went on the air. So we've been just waiting to talk to somebody. The first spoiler conversation I've had. Oh, is it? Literally have not had this chance yet. Well, we get a chance. We get a chance now.

We're going to talk about Black Adam. It comes out on Monday. Excuse me. It came out this weekend. This review comes out. on Monday, which why you're watching. It's been out for three and a half days. We hope you've seen it.

Well, so I've had, we've both had an opportunity to get a chance to see it a little earlier. Yeah. I saw it before it was spoiled. Before the post credit scene was anywhere. Before anybody even knew. Anybody was going on. So I got really lucky that that was fully unique. Yeah, it was, it's funny because I knew, I mean, everybody knew from the way it was coming

along about, again, if you haven't seen the movie and you didn't know already, then I don't know why you clicked on this video. But here comes to spoilers. You've been warned. All right. because everybody knew that it was coming, right? So I said to you, I was like, all right, so he's in it, right? And you're like, yeah.

And then you're like, told me the John Williams thing at the end. And I was like, and it's, I will say I was a little bummed, but not by much, that I thought it was like really heavy. It's kind of like hinted. But you're such a score guy. I thought of you first because so many people are in these movies for comic references for cinematographer directors. You're the only guy I know that's like, what's the score like? So as soon as I heard John Williams, I was like, Christian's going to lose his mind. I did. And I lost my mind for the score.

So good. It was really, really good. I've been listening to it in Loop. Yeah, it's a great workout score. It's great. And you can tell, every time I showed someone that score, you can say, like, well, the rock definitely had something to do with that because it sounds like something he would walk out to.

The energy is so the rock. Which is great for Black Adam, because it feels like a very in tune with him character. Yeah. So again, going into it where, and it's funny, before we went on the air here, Coy said, I feel like me and you were going to be on the same page, the same way we were Eternals, where you and I are going to love this,

and most people are not going to like it. And I, it seems like that in, in the overall, like, at least what critics are saying. Both rotten tomatoes and even in the nerds fear. Like, a lot of the people I've talked to, I haven't talked spoilers to anybody else. But like, like, a lot of people are like, eh, you know, it's a DC movie. And I was like, that's like, that's not what I felt at all. No, I didn't feel like it was that, like, just like a throwaway DC movie. I did feel, and I stand by the fact that I think that it's like, it is a, to me, seems like a 1998 movie.

This, if this movie comes out in 1998, it comes out in July. Yeah. And it's a. summer blockbuster movie. Yeah. And everyone's going, oh, what a fun movie that was.

Because it is, look, it is paint by numbers. It is, like, it's, it is, you've seen it before.

It's different in the fact that, like, it is a villain. I'm gonna give it, I'm gonna give it 80% I'm gonna give it 80% and I'm gonna say the 20%

that deals with actual politics of anti-hero was really well done. I agree with you. Because the JSA, I was rooting for just as much as Black Adam

and I felt generally conflicted like I did with a Daredevil and Kingpin. Yes, and I like the way that they set them up, though, because what I didn't like

when Man of Steel came out, I love that movie, and then they just threw him into a movie with Batman. And Ben Affleck... Did not work for me. No, and Ben Affleck's

Batman didn't even get a movie. Right. But I think... The sequel to anything shouldn't be someone else's introduction that is of the scale of Batman. Right. And that,

you just said the magic words. This is the difference. You said on the scale of Batman. Yeah. I had, I don't really know much about the Justice League, Justice Society of America at all. I had known,

okay, Hawkman, comes in great and then here's Adam Smasher, here's Cyclone? Yep. And then Dr. Fate. I had never even heard of these characters. So I didn't need them to have standalone movies. But now you probably want a Huckman movie.

Way more than I would have beforehand. This is how you do it. Like a lot of times, rushing to a team can be really dangerous. But when you do it right, it makes you want spinoffs versus when you do it wrong and then you feel like you've wasted the characters. I enjoyed the movie. I had a fun. I do so much smiling. I really enjoy.

I felt like I was just watching a fun movie that I, and I like, is the rock essentially the rock in this movie? He is. I'm going to go to that 80-20 thing again. And I'm going to say, like, I like that he was stoic and genuinely a little bit. He wasn't always charming and smiling. Yeah. Absolutely.

And I thought the thing, the timing that he did with the catchphrase and all that worked really well. And I liked that about the humor where the humor wasn't over the top. Yep. And I dug it. But it's that the thing was, yeah, it's, it's, it's, When to try to separate him because he's this larger than life personality in general. But he wasn't always likable, which I was impressed by. Agreed. And that's not easy for the rock.

No, and he had to be because of the pain that he goes through. What Ted Adam has to go there. And I didn't know. Did you know the twist already? Which twist? The fact that he wasn't that kid. Oh, yeah, yeah. I, the comic book leans into both narratives. So I thought maybe they were going to go there, but I wasn't sure and I like that. I liked that. I, because the whole time I'm like, well, why was what happened this kid? why is the kid a scumback. Yeah.

Right? And the only thing that threw me off a little bit that I, that I was, I was, I guess it didn't trick me. But in one of the trailers, you see the kid and the wife die. Right. And that gives a decent amount of way. And then. Look and you go, oh, yeah. I didn't like that part of it.

But that's the trailer. That doesn't have nothing new with the movie. But I like the idea that this guy was, in the beginning, he tells his son, he's like, stay out of it. Don't get involved. But it's his kid that's chosen. It's his kid that's the one who's the right. righteous one and that would be the right protector and is the right protector for years until the kid says dad I need you I'm going to give this to you and then they shoot the kid debt

yeah all the way that that played I thought it was emotional it I thought it worked and I like that to where I go back to agreeing with you what you said before where it is that's less of a paint by numbers thing right and that was a little bit different and a little bit of a shift it's the other stuff that like normal kind of superhero tropes that played into it that I'm not complaining about being paint by numbers payment numbers has a negative content to it also where it's like, I've seen it a million times before. Sure, but was that entertaining?

Yeah, were you happy to see it the other million times? Right. I was happy to see it this time. It's when it's not, it's when you've seen it a million times and it's boring, or it's not entertaining, and there's no oomph behind it.

That's when you lose me. This movie did not suffer from no oomph. It's like, it's 87 cups of trade coffee. Oh, 100%. The trade coffee flowed. Now, I don't like to pit one company against each other because I think it's childish, And I think, like, if you look at Jeff Johns and Kevin Faggy, their friends,

like Marvel DC doesn't have the rivalry that the fans do. But I will say I think this is a bigger step in DC's right direction than Marvel took this year. I couldn't agree with you more. And that's not to, you know, one has better to the other, but I'm acknowledging. But you also, when you're looking at, you're looking at the state of filmmaking. You're looking at sports teams. You're going, who's, how are the teams doing? What was the year life?

And I would say this was a better move. Because if you look at Black Adam, Peacemaker, Harley Quinn season three, DC had a banger of a year. And we've had a lot of bad press because of the discovery thing and all those things. I think we need to acknowledge that DC had a banger of a release year. As far as the material itself. That actually came out. Not the, not the behind the scenes. Not the ownership of it.

And not the next year we're going to get. Who knows what's going to be next year because of this? It's true. But when you look at the build up to it and you look at what it needs to do overall, I think it does the job. I don't, I don't, what I won't understand is this. If people come out of this and say, okay, you know what? It was fine.

I've seen it before and it didn't really, there's nothing new. I understand that. What I don't understand if someone goes, that's a bad movie. This is not a bad movie. I disagree. And I don't agree with the 49 or whatever Rotten Tomatoes score

because those, and people misunderstand Rotten Tomatoes all the time. We should quantify. Rotten Tomatoes is basically colorizing a black and white photo. It's saying pass fail on something that isn't past fail. So it's how many critics said it was passing and how many critics said it was failing. It's not that the movie is 49% good.

it's that if there's 200 critics, 102 said they didn't like it. So that's the issue. But it's also, it's this. This is the way Rotten Tomatoes. Someone's certified on the platform. Let's say that I say the movie, I liked it.

I'm, I can't get it to a three. I'm going to go 2.8, but it's almost there for me. Fail. And a lot, right. That is a negative review. Now, if I said, it's fine, it's good enough. It's three.

And let's say everyone goes, ah, it's good enough. It's a three. It would get a 90, it would get 100 on there. Right. Now that doesn't mean that everyone thinks it's the best movie. They just think that it was good enough or not that good as opposed to. Or if this is garbage, it's a zero.

And then everybody thinks it stinks. It just all that means when you see that, that. It's a number of reviews. It just means it's over that enough people went over that three. And that's what's messy. And that's why I say it's like colorizing a black and white photo because it's, it's past fail. And then when you see a number, you colorize it. You think it's a thing that it isn't.

That's absolutely right. because I think that enough people would probably get to this thing. Like, as I said, this is not a critics movie. No. It's not. Those 51% went in thinking it was, and that's what's so weird to me is,

obviously you have to see all these movies. You have to do your job. You're a critic. That's your thing. But I'm a commentator. I'm a hype man. I'm the boombox guy. Well, I mean, look, I like to give my opinions on it.

If I don't like something, I'm going to say I don't like it. I'm clearly, that's the funniest thing, not to get into a whole she-hulk thing again. You anti-marvel shield. No, what's hilarious is I said, I was, pretty clear in the, I think I liked three episodes

out of the nine. And I said it many times like, I didn't really, I don't need this show. One, two, and eight, right? Yeah, and I said, I don't think I like this show. I mean, I said, I don't like this show. By the end of it, I didn't like it. Sure. Wasn't for me. I'm glad you enjoyed it. I said those words. I didn't like the show. Someone goes, what you can you just, you like the show? I, uh, here's a clip. Right, but it's like, but I think that that's the thing with being critic as a, critical though, is not, I liked it. I didn't like it. That's not

what a critic does. A critic is, like, again, I used, I always used the examples of William Bibiani, Christy Lemire, Alonzo Doraldi, who analyze and just can really break down their thoughts. And I don't agree with Bibiani maybe ever. I agree with that because I don't watch movies that way. Right. But what I'm saying, though, with Bibiani, Bibiani is a brilliant film critic.

Oh, and I'll never disagree with what he sees. I just don't see it. Right. But I'm also, that's why I don't say that I'm, I mean, as you say, you consider yourself, as far as a hype man, some of those comics. that's not me. I'm just someone who just likes to watch things and say, I liked it. I didn't like it. Here's the reason why. Maybe you feel the way I do. Maybe I, maybe you don't. I think that that's what this movie is. I think this movie is somewhat the casual movie. I want to see a movie today. What do you want to say? Well, the Rock's got a new movie. What is it? It's a superhero. He's running around and kills people. Great. And then, you know, there's some kind of adventure that they want. And that's why all three of those jobs need to exist, right? Like, you need someone that if you want critical analysis, you've got Bibiani. If you want someone that's like, your everyday person that's just going to be, you know, honest and neutral. you got you. And then if you want someone, they're like,

I want to feel more excited about something they got me. Those are three very different jobs. Absolutely. And I think it's important to when you're looking at us and our job, know the difference for the guy. Like, you lovely people, it's important to know why you're watching or listening to us. And I think that this movie needed more of the me's and use than the Rotten Tomatoes people for the type of movie it is. But we don't know yet.

We don't know the box office. We're recording this on Thursday. Right, because we don't know yet who's going to see. Not even just box office, right? because box office can be a little deceiving at first too, because let's say a lot of people are hyped up to go see it. We don't know what everybody's going to think of the movie. Right. Because a lot of people will be going for that Superman scene.

And that was what The Rock did brilliantly because, as I said, the thing is this character was not a character. A lot of people were familiar with until the Rock started talking about it eight, nine years ago, whenever it was. Yeah. I had no idea who it was until Schnep told me about, well, it's the counterpart to Shazam and this and that. I'm like, oh, I didn't ever heard of him until the Rock started talking about.

That's why when I asked Schnep about it was because the Rock started talking about it. And then the Rock, again, he's been so adamant to get this on screen. And he finally, it's a passion project to him. So that being said, like, there's, I think that I'm very curious to what the audience is going to say after seeing it, right? Like, do they, are they going to feel the way that we do? Are they going to feel like this was just an entertaining movie there's? And it was great to see Superman as a good step forward. Because I want to see another one. I want Black Adam too. I also want Hawkman now. I would also love to see a JSA movie with a younger Dr. Fate. I'd love to see all those things because of the

this movie, not necessarily because of the characters. I've always wanted a Hawkman movie, but now I want Aldous Hodges Hawkman. Alas Hodges was really good. Incredible. He was really good. Aldous Hodge, I liked, it was funny because he's a good guy and he's got, and he's really, he's got that traditional

feel of the hero. Yeah. He's got that traditional feel of the stuff that we've seen and many, many times over what the hero's supposed to be. And not only is Black Adam going, I don't care what the hero's supposed to be, I ain't listening to it. Well, don't kill that person. Okay, kills him. And then not only is And then they play it towards that

The crowd watching, they're booing the justice society. Yeah. They're rooting for Black Adam. And that is why I like the anti-hero When they play. They really walked the line there because you're right. Eldis Hodge is exactly a movie star.

He's got charisma. He's clean cut. He's got this. You believe his justice. And yet he's the bad guy in a lot of scenes. In a certain aspect. Yeah, bad guy. To you the viewer.

Right. And then you feel bad. Not even a bad guy as much of a pain in the Exactly. An antagonist in a moment because he's so powerful. He's not really an antagonist. Leave alone and let him just kill everybody. Stop swatting at him. And that is more interesting to me than a lot of superhero movies because you never get the, eh, this good guy's a bother. Right. And you get that. I love that first fight with the Justice Signing Black Adam. I loved it. What do you think about? Dr. Fate when he swarms him is such a cool visual. Like that took so much Dr. I mean, Dr. Strange came out 23 years after Dr. Fate, by the way. Dr. Fate proceeds Dr. Strange by two decades. So been people like, oh, they're copy.

being Dr. Strange. No, no, no, decades earlier. But I thought they did a better job immediately capturing that visual than the Marvel did with Dr. Strange. I loved Dr. Faith. It's great. And I thought Pierce Brasen did a great job with it and the idea. Again, the paint by number's predictability. If you don't know that Dr. Fate is going to be the one that dies, then you don't watch

movies. Yeah. I mean, he's just like, he's like, oh, I see someone dying. And they show Hawk, Hawk, man. You're like, I wonder if it's the guy called Dr. Fate. Right. It's played by a man in his 70s that probably doesn't want to do a lot of So that to me, when that happened, when that was going on,

this is where I was like, okay, well, this, not once that I ever think that he wasn't going to be the one that died. Right. And I really liked, like after what I did like is after they put Teth Adam in, you reveal any, and he kind of realizes, maybe I want not the guy for this and he says Shazam and he gets put into the thing. I'm like, where are they going with this? And then once, I'm like, oh, well, wait a minute. And that was the other thing, predictable as hell. That he's going to be right back.

Well, no, that the friend was the bad guy. The Jafar from Aladdin. He was the guy who played Jafar. He played Jafar. Yeah, he played Jafar. Yeah, he played Jafar in the live action Alain. Because they had a very Jafar vibe here. I didn't put those together.

That's great. Yeah, he played Jafar in Aladdin. And so when he shows up, I'm like, well, that's typecasting. He's going to be bad. And then when they're like, oh, how do we find out? And then they try to throw you up with the guy punching him in the face in the beginning. And he's like, I told you to do this, but don't punch me in the face. He's like, okay, well, that that's, that's,

That's where the predictability of it came out. They were like, there's a lot of moments in this movie. I'm like, okay. The other thing that I said, sometimes the jokes worked. Yeah. Sometimes it didn't. I thought that the brother was really good. The brother of, what's the mom's name?

It's the mom, the kid, and the brother. Oh, oh, the guy in the van. The karaoke scene was great. See, I didn't like the scene. Oh, you didn't like karaoke. When he starts singing at the top of his lungs. I thought it was like 10 seconds too long. Yes.

But I liked the concept. I liked the concept. It immediately made it. made you endeared to him in a unique way. That's exactly right. I liked him. I liked what they were going with the bit. The song didn't work.

The song wasn't funny to me. Sure. That he was going, like he was trying to blast at this one thing. I'm like, I see what they're going with. Yeah. This guy could pull off something else

because I like him. Yeah, he actually, and not to shamelessly plug, which I will do multiple times this interview. I interviewed all these folks for nerdists. I asked that actor what his go-to karaoke song would be, and he busted out singing in the interview, and it was funnier.

Because, like, so what you're saying is exactly like. Maybe they couldn't get the rights for that song, So it was great that the bit, it conceptually worked. Yes. But I did think it didn't. I just didn't like that song. And like, and by the way, they show you the brutality of the movie because they dropped the one dude on the, on the floor, just kill him.

Immediately. Yeah. I thought, I didn't know who did that. There was an R-rated cut, apparently. It was. Yeah. They said it was. And you could see why.

And so, and that transitions into like the Jamalette Sarah who directed the movie, who I like. And I've known since the Silver Days, right? Did a lot of stuff with my buddy Eric Olson. I love how shy years. Every time I've talked to him. He's so bashful and shine. He's making this bloodbath of a movie. He's got a great eye.

And he's done a lot of Liam Neeson movies. And he's done a lot of this. But he's got a great eye. But my, as I say, like there are times that the style really works. And then there's time it's like, are they trying to do 300 here? There was a couple moments that I felt like the Snyder influence was tricky, especially because of the universe they're playing in. Yeah.

If we're leaving the Snyder cut world behind, doing Snyderisms is tricky. But because your universe is already established, it does make sense to use them. I see why and why not. I liked it. It wasn't that they used it. It was the volume of how they used it. There were times much like the song. The song was a little shorter. If the 3D

I mean the slow mo is a little shorter. Yes. So when Black Adam first comes when she says his name and he shows up and he starts just killing fools. Yeah. The slow motion and the stuff that they use there, brilliant. Sure. And they even showed in the trailer one of them where he's coming in and he's throwing the shots. He moves quick and he's like

wow, he's brilliant. And it's like a phantom camera where you see the water rolling off in a way that isn't CGI. I love it. I love that, but then there's, I don't know if it's in that particular scene, but there's a few times afterwards where they're like, okay, they're just like, let's not go style over subs, let's elevate the scene

with the style, and there were times that the style elevates the scene, and then there's times where it's like, and now that person's in slow motion, and now that person's in slow motion, and now there's a fly in slow motion, and now there's a piece of pizza in slow motion. It's like, no, no, no, no, move move the scene, and it's, it's, it's like it's not, it wasn't so distracting that there was,

because sometimes there's movies that do that, and you're like, oh my God, I'm exhausted. Yeah. I wasn't exhausted by it. It was just like, okay, that time it didn't work the same way with the humor. Actually, the Snyder cut's a great example of, like, it being just a little too much. Because I remember that was like 20% of the Snyder cut was in slow-mo.

And I was like, this is a four-hour movie. Like, I could have, if the movie wasn't four hours, it wouldn't have been as bad, but since we're already on this journey together, maybe a little bit. And I do feel like that's something the DC universe, like, struggles with a bit is when to say, like, that's enough. It was style. I mean, I think that, and what I will say,

I was jumping into one of the major positives for me is I thought the kid was great. Oh, yeah. And the mom, I was so invested in that relationship. Isn't she a superhero? She becomes one, yeah. She becomes one. So the kid, though, I always get nervous when it comes down to this where it's like,

okay, Black Adam's going to come in and then it's going to be this terminator. And it had a feel of like the Terminator 2 feel, but it's going to be this thing where he's just going to be good now because the kid's going to convince him. him to be good. I was working at that too. And now the kid's going to say, no, you don't need to be this murderous. The kid's like, kill everybody. Yeah. And the kid's like, do it. And, but the kid also has to rise up and tell the people at the end to rise up and to fight. I thought the kid did a great job. And I love that. And I like the parallel, honestly, between Shazam, right? Because this is the dark Shazam. So you've got a kid, much like Jack Dillon Grazer, and he's kind of playing off that archetype.

And I thought that was genius to have the kid kind of mirror Jack Dillon Grazer in a lot of ways. And I thought it was the style part that I did like is when this kid is a massive superhero fan. He's got all, he's a Batman hanging on his wall and Wonder Woman. And then there's that fight when Black Adam's fighting and he's blasting through and Superman's getting hit in the face and Wonder Woman's getting blown off the wall and all that. And like, I thought that that was a great.

And that mirrors the scenes in Shazam where Jack Dylan Grazer's a big superhero fan. And he's referencing things to him. They did a really good job keeping these movies compelling completely separate. They did. But when they come together, it's going to feel more natural because the subtlety of the seeds they plan.

Yeah, and I did love, again, when he's telling me he needs a catchphrase, and he told him, he told him, I liked that Teth Adam was like, not fighting it the whole time. I was like, okay, and he does have a relationship with the kid, but that's why I give the reference of the stuff that did work in the Terminator 2 world, like the stuff that worked between, because if you go back and you talk about how a Terminator is starting to bond with a kid and you didn't see the movie, it could sound ridiculous.

Right. But the way it plays, and the way James Cameron played it, it worked. And I thought it worked here. Because it took till the third act. And I believed it taking until the third act As opposed to like we need this narratively to go this way Yeah and I love the idea when he's looking for him And he's trying to he's dropping people out

And he's killing people as he's looking for him And the justice society is trying to And the bit that I did think work was when Like I said there were some stuff in the humor that really worked And other things it did and one of the ones that did work I love when Hawkman keeps looking at Adam smashers Like me and you Yeah every time

Every time to me every time And what did you think of him? Which Adam or Hawkman? Adam Spencer He was the weakest for me I agree I thought that he had the least options to do because of the way they played him.

I don't blame Noah Centennial but I do think the way he was written like what else could he have done? The mask was expressive and fun. The jokes were very simple. The Henry Winkler cameo. So good. But like what else?

I couldn't think, you know, if I was Noah Centennial, what else would I have done? Yeah, it's not, I agree with you. It's not necessarily his fault because the character doesn't have much to do except to grow big,

be kind of a goofy person. I'm the new guy. Yeah, and even at the end of the movie where he's just like, Are we friends and it's like, don't make this awkward or whatever Black Adams says. But even that, they didn't have enough of a relationship. He had a one-note role that he did what he could with. But I kept thinking, like, what would I change?

The only thing that I will say, though, is that there are some people, there are some actors. Yeah, that just presence. That just have presence. And I have to say after this performance, and not performance, but after, because he wasn't bad in the role. Sure. But he didn't like stand. I thought Cyclone stood out. Dude, quintessus Wendell.

She was great. I don't think Noah stood out. And I said, I'm glad that he's not being He-Man anymore. Oh, that's right. He was. I'm glad that he wasn't. I don't think he's got the camera. I don't think he has the charisma to pull it all.

Because every time Quintessa was on screen, I was like, curious. Teach me. What? I had no idea who she was, who the character was. Yeah. Every time she was on screen, I was like, tell me more. Yeah. And I don't think she had enough to do.

Yeah. And I think that the relationship with her and Adam Smester was cool. And it was like the new kids who were coming in. Sure. And they played well. But it was really the most interesting to me was the relationship that they set up. well with Hawkman and Dr. Faith. Yeah.

Because of their relationship and the idea that you felt that bond. Yeah, you, you, and that also is a testament. Again, going back to your point, it's what those two actors did and how good they both are that made that work because they didn't necessarily, it wasn't such a detailed thing. We had no origin whatsoever. We literally got thrown in with these characters. There was their performances that you care about. And that was the difference between them and say no way.

And they're also more experience than Noah is. And also to shamelessly plug again, Pierce Brosnan said the moment he felt like Dr. fate was when he was working with Hawkman. He credited Aldus with making him feel like the character, and that showed on screen. When they were together, you immediately felt the history. And that's my point to you when it comes to, it's not that those

roles were so layered. Right. It's what Aldous and Pierce Broston did together. So much presence. That it's their presence. I mean, Aldous Hodge has been a movie star. We just, we need to put him in things. Like, uh, the Invisible Man, the whole time I was like, this guy needs to be everywhere. Eldis Hodge has been, I mean, he's been out of since he was a teenager. Give this man lead roles.

I think he's going to have more to do after this. and he should. He's also invested in superheroes to a level that, like, most actors aren't. He builds costumes. So he's part of the company that's doing the Blue Beetle suit. And he's Hawkman.

Dude is making Blue Beetle while he's Hawkman. I love that. Yeah, I got a lot of love for all this. That's great. Me too. I was always a fan of his, but this one made me more of a fan because I thought he played the role perfectly.

I thought he played, and I thought that him and Dwayne Johnson had a great back and forth and the build-up between the two of them of, you know, two opposing points of view just in general. No crossover. I will say, and I said this last time,

and you guys on Capes and Cal's tried to make a point of it, which I'm going to push back on. I did think it was a little convenient. 5,000 years after being was in Egypt, right? Yeah. He wakes up, he's speaking perfect English. Yeah, yeah. I mean, he's like the rock.

And it's like, you could have done something where it's like he starts talking his language. And then whatever the native. doc language was at the time. 5,000 years ago, and then he comes back in and then whatever it might be and then tunes into it, starts talking.

Winston did bring up a good point, though, listening for a half a second of like multiple people talking. They didn't show them. They could have shown them. That's my point. Show it. Show them for a second,

tuning in to hearing them talk. And you know, I do want to give street cred to the nerdery of the actors in this. The Rock clearly invested, 15 years of investing, and knew the comics, knew what he wanted, cared a lot. Pierce Bros.

and did a ton of Dr. Fate research from our conversation and actually invested. And then Aldus being, again, super suits, but also he's a big comic fan, and so was his whole family. So when we were at San Diego Comic-Con, I kept running into Aldus, and his family found out I was hosting Hall H.

His family kept asking me about the Preser Comics. His family was super invested, and his sister is like a real Rejects fan and watches stuff like this. So they're all comic nerds, and that, I think, is why those three roles shown so bright, is they're invested. That's the thing.

You can tell the amount of, a passion of it into this movie. And I think that that's why I ultimately really enjoyed it because it didn't feel like even though there were things that I've seen a million times over, even though it wasn't as layered as something and it doesn't need to be as layered all the time. Like, I'm watching House of the Dragon and Andor.

Great example. For different reasons that I'm watching this movie. And I'm watching Eternals. Correct. For a different reason I'm watching Black Guy. Right. Right. Two things that, and I do want to talk about this because we started this, like, right before we filmed, we were saying that we're two of the only people that probably liked both.

loudly. I went into Eternals wanting what I got and I experienced a three hour introspective journey of what that kind of superhero film can be. I went into Black Adam and I got two hours of a third act of a film exactly what I went in for. Those need to be different

mindsets or you're not going to enjoy anything. Absolutely. This is, and as I'm watching this and I was watching this movie and I was just, I was never bored. Not once. Never bored. And some people, and I think of fair criticism if someone did say this is that it just it doesn't give you a chance to breathe right and it's just action action action

boom boom fight fight fight sure and I understand that I liked that I wanted that this time yeah those are the magic words this time that's what I wanted I went in and I bought a the rock movie ticket to black Adam and I knew what I wanted and I got it I just wanted to see carnage I wanted to see fighting I wanted to hear great music yeah that score dude I haven't come out of a movie whether it's It's Star Wars or, um, or freaking Marvel or anything recently and wanting to keep playing. That's how I know I really like a score. This and the Batman. I'm telling you, man.

This was a great year. The Batman's great. But that was the last time, right? Like I've listened to the Batman score nonstop. Yeah. The Batman's good one too. So that was, that was the one I was listening to. But this I've listened to even more than the Batman.

Like I can do that da-na-na-na-na-na-na-and-I-and-I-and-I-and-I-I- And I think that the rock definitely had something he would walk out to it. It's about drive. It's about power. It is. And it's like, it's a, it's like, it was, and the composer was like a student of Hans Zimmer, and you can tell, you can feel that. So that really worked. Now, before we get into what everybody wants to talk about, and we'll get into it in a second, I do want to tell you guys, we're very excited. We're working now with Wondery. And that's pretty awesome. I've been a fan of Wondry for a long time, so the fact they're coming on, this is pretty great. So what's awesome is that if you like, and people have been asking me about Lord of the Rings, and I haven't a chance to see it. Well, I guess, what they have. They have the Lord of the Rings Power podcast. Felicia Day. Everybody knows Felicia Day. She's the best. Right? Brett knows Felicia Day. Brett used to work with Felicia Day. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, they were a really good buddy. And Brett's like, wait, Felicia Day, that's my mom.

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Let's talk about the hierarchy of power changing. Everybody, you know, this is, let's talk about the first thing we get into this is how Dwayne Johnson really made this happen. Well, I told you right before air, the shocking fact I just found out is that they shot this scene Labor Day. Which is crazy.

That is just now. That's after a Comic-Con. That's paperwork. Yeah. That's literally like. That's paperwork. So I think all those conversations at Comic-Con were like, I'm trying guys. I'm really trying.

He meant it. I can't. He's like, I can't. It's close, but I can't bring the guy. And look, he's smart for not bringing him out on stage because if you bring him out on stage.

Because that's the moment. But yes. And if you bring him out on stage when nothing is signed and then it doesn't happen, egg on your face. 100%. And the rock ain't going to get edge. on his face. Also, you're not going to get that first moment again ever. Why not having the movie? 100%. You're never going to have a first impression of them seeing each other again. Right. And people

would then counter with, well, why not surprise it? Because you're going to add another 10 to 15 million dollars by promoting it. That's why. And that's exactly what D. Johnson has done. And he knows it. And you can tell, because of how much passion he's put into this. And he's also on an advantage right now because of the shift in where D.C. is at the moment. And he's a power play. And he's got a lot more power than most actors ever will. 100%. He's one of the true, like, and we've said this many times over,

the movie star by definition of what the movie star was in the 80s and 90s is pretty much non-existent. It's not used back in the day for people that weren't familiar with it, or you would have, oh, the new so-and-so movie is coming out, the new Will Smith movie, the new Tom Cruise movie, the new... The top gun guy? Yeah, the top gun guy. But like they, but they would do that.

Like, Tom Cruise, to this day, yes, top gun, sold, and Mission Impossible sells. But Tom Cruise doesn't necessarily just sell anyone just off his name. He's more than most, but still not. I mean, Edge of Tomorrow wouldn't have gotten made without Tom Cruise, but it didn't do the numbers it needed to. Correct. He's still a major movie star. They still retitled it halfway through its run.

The movie star still exists. Right. But the movie star doesn't always sell, right? Like Arnold and other than that. Brad Pitt's not a guarantee. And that's crazy. And then back in the day, Arnold, would be able to, the new Arnold movies coming out.

What is it? Who cares? There's not a lot of names above the title anymore. Right. It's not Tom Cruise's Top Gun every time. Dwayne Johnson's becoming one of those. Yeah. Now, the reason why, like, yes, it is a superhero movie.

It is a DC movie. But as we said, it's Dwayne Johnson that made this character relevant. He was the one who fought for it. So he's got a lot of pull right now. It's got a lot of power right now. And from what I heard, Wonder Brothers wasn't even going to go to ComicCon. They had no interest in going. It was Dwayne Johnson that wanted to go.

I still think, and this is not a Dwayne Johnson mistake. I think this was a Warner Brothers mistake. And maybe I'm wrong. I don't know the insides outs. I think what they, and I'm pretty vocal about this, I think the problem that they made with Comic-Con was they announced when you looked at the actual bill, it was Warner Brothers presents whatever the hell it was. And then in the description with presentations from Shazam.

It should have been the Black Adam. ZAM panel. 100%. That's what, because if you market it like that, no one's disappointed. No, and it's the audience's mistake

to thinking the Henry Cabell was there. Was the audience mistake to think they were going to announce anything else? They should have called it. Well, no, no, no, no. That's,

I disagree with that. Oh, you're saying that's branding mistake? I'm saying, it's, that's not the audience. If you tell me that it's a Warner Brothers panel,

it's not my fault for thinking. Because most people don't read past that. Because Warner Brothers has had many Comic-Con things in the past. Yeah. So if I'm seeing Warner Brothers presents, I'm going,

okay, with presentations from Shazam and this, but they're going to announce other stuff. Yeah. If it says Shazam Black Adam panel, I know what I'm getting. Right. Now, it's the audience's fault. If they just start reading rumors

and think Henry Cavill's going to show up, that's not Dwayne Johnson's fault. Sure. That's not anybody's fault except yours because you read something on a deadline, which probably came from somewhere else anyway. Right. So, but, so that's being said,

it was his pull, his power to say, I want to go, dresses up in the suit, goes and has a big... Great panel. It was. It was a good panel. Again, would have had more impacted.

They called it the Black Adam Shazam panel. But he also, from the rumors that said, him and Hamada, bump and head. Hamada wanted to do the, JJ Abrams kind of,

wanted to go down the black Superman round. And wanted a faceless Superman again, I heard. I heard the original post credits he was Superman again, but faceless again. That would have been three times

Shazam peacemaker in this. That doesn't work. We don't... You can't keep doing that. And it, And it didn't work the first time. And you're also starting to piss people off because no one wanted Henry Cavill to walk away. Right.

No one, fan-wise. No one wanted, no one wanted him to walk away. And Henry Cavill was very publicly like, still in my closet. I'm still ready. He wants to do it. He loves Superman. We love him as Superman. You're only alienating the audience you need.

And obviously the relationship that Danny Garcia has with Henry Cavill and there's pictures from like years ago with the two of them sitting down having conversations. I think they rep each? Doesn't Danny rep. Henry Cavill? I'm always so confused of what the report is. The report is either that they're repped by it. Because I thought someone says that Danny reps him, but I thought she's a producer. I didn't think she was a manager.

No, that's very confusing. Yeah, because she's part of the company, but I guess you could be. I don't know. I don't know. Either way, either way, I thought they were represented together from the same firm. Yeah. That's what I thought. But then I heard completely either way, they're close.

Dwayne Johnson has also become close with Henry Cavill. they're having these conversations. As you said, the paperwork finally, and he went around Walter Hamada, if you believe the reports, and said, okay, look, this guy doesn't know he's talking about it. This is happening. And I also don't think it's coincidental

because Hamada just announced he's out. Yeah. And they knew he was out. And I think that Zazlov, I'll call him Zazloff on this one because this is a good move. When he does things that are right, I'm going to call him Zazlov. And I think that saying, okay, listen,

everybody wants Henry Kettle back. Rock's been saying it inside the thing going, we're listening to the fans. We're bringing this guy back. Yeah. And they brought him back. And Zazlov was there for Labor Day. And Zazlov then quickly was like,

hey, man of steel two, Wonder Woman 3, the Batman 2. Like, that's a power move to come out the week of Black Adam and say like, hey, that world you want, he's still going. But use what you got. Right. And you have it all. Yeah. You've got it all.

And Affleck's coming back. And then you're going to have all this stuff into potential new flash. I had a whole giant pitch about restarting the DC universe by doing a DC black label and then restarting everyone because I didn't believe this was possible. I thought there was too much bad blood. I thought the actors were out. I thought none of this could happen. The fact that these announcements all came as one chunk

shows me that DC's in a way better place than I was afraid. Well, but this is also the thing, again, Zazloff, as I will call him during this time, because the thing that he's doing, that is correct, is that he's, his bedside manner is atrocious. Agreed. Atrocious. His moves at the moment with this about rebooting this up,

putting Henry Cavill in there, doing the Batman 2, waiting, you know, these things that he's putting into play. Yeah. could have a major, major positive effect on the future of D.C. And that's also listening to someone like D.J. Johnson who wants to be, now, he's in a very interesting spot now, Dwayne Johnson, because if this movie does the $150, $200 million worldwide, that it's guaranteed, not guaranteed, being projected to do.

Sure. He's then in that position to say, okay, well, my movie did well, I put it in, and I got Henry Campbell back in it. I want a bigger role in D.C. Yeah. If it doesn't do well, they're going to go, well, it didn't do that well, whatever. But jumping into the scene. So I was a bit confused by it, not confused, but they set up this whole movie that Ted Adam is now, now officially black Adam, he comes in.

And Amanda Waller says, okay, fine, do your thing. But you're a trap there. But you're trapped there. And then, you know, he's like, she's like, if you don't, then I'm going to have to send someone. He's like, we'll send someone then. and then she sends Superman. And it's like, okay, but why? He just saved the world from this guy.

He didn't do anything bad yet. If it would have happened like 45 minutes before. See, I think it was to say, like you just showed me the extent of your powers. From Waller's perspective, she needs to keep her thumb over everything. And from Superman's perspective, it's, hey, I need to make sure this guy's in the up and up. So that works for me. So he's not there to fight. No.

It's not that it didn't work. I'm just trying to figure it all that. He's not there to fight. He's just letting him know, I'm watching. Yeah. Guy, because his line of dialogue was the world hasn't been this nervous in a long time. To me, great, great Superman line.

But also, I'm not here to fight. I'm letting you know I'm around. Like, just let's have this conversation. Let's talk. To me, that was a great, like, altruistic Superman, but also like, bro, I got you. I'm still here. And Amanda's was like, I got my thumb on you,

you're under my control, even though she, and I love that. All three of the characters acted exactly in. Oh, what a powerhouse. So the. I love that DC has evil Nick Fury. Like I love that the connecting tissue was like, I'm not gathering a team, I'm fighting you.

Right. And then, especially if you've been on the journey so far what she's been doing, whether you're watching Peacemaker or all this stuff. So, and I love the appearance by, yes. They've connected the universe so well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the way that they did that was great. So but she's working with Amanda Waller. Yeah, which is interesting for Peasmaker too. How they're going to play that with piecemaker?

Then I want to see how it all connects. Um, but again, the scene, Cavill shows up with the great haircut. Haircut. The better suit. I like this suit. Better haircut. And the hint of the John Williams. Yep. The hint of the John Williams.

Which I think was, again, the rock listening to fans and going, let's do the greatest hits. Let's use Cavill like we want. Let's get the old school, like the right amount of score. Maybe you could have used a little bit more, but like the old sound. And then the suit that feels like iconic to us. I think it was set up in Super Pets. I'm not even kidding you.

That post credit? The music. Oh. If you watch, if you watch the Super Pets movie, they used the John Williams score a lot. A lot. The opening. The hierarchy of patterns. power of the DC universe was DC Super Pets.

I'm not, and the post-credit scene was Black Adam. And so, I love that that movie came out before they filmed the scene so that the rock got to make sure it happened. Think about it. And I know it's true. The interaction happened to matter what. Absolutely.

So when I, when I was watching that and I went and they started playing the John Williams score, I'm like, I'm hopeful for a lot of things here. Because I do think there's certain, there are certain scores of characters and stuff that come in and you're like, okay, it's changed now. We'll move in like Batman and stuff too.

Like I still love the idea that we're going to get Danny Elfman's Batman theme in The Flash. I'm hoping, right? But I think that something like Superman, that, it's just synonymous with Superman. And I love the Hans Zimmer. And I wouldn't even mind having like a mixture of both. There's a classic video that came out. Riley had found this a while ago.

And it's a blend of Zimmer. and Zimmer's theme and Williams team together. Have you ever heard it? No. Oh, dude. It's great. That sounds special. And it blends together, and I hope that they do something like that.

It's like Chichino did with the Spider-Man score where it builds through the movies. And then at the end, it's the almost classic and but orchestral. Yeah, yeah. In no way home, you can hear all of them for sure. But I'll play this for you before you leave. And if you haven't, I can't play it on the show. But if you guys have a chance, go and check it out. It's the mixture between Hans Zimmer and John Williams.

And I hope that they do it because they own both of them. How much is Riley freaking out right now? That is boys back. I think he's going to, he is an example of someone that I don't think was going to see the movie. Yeah. And then it's going to see it because of the scene. Because he's going to lose his mind.

Yeah. And so that was why I think that the Rock knew what to do. His promoting on this was just extraordinary. I've worked in movie theaters a lot of my life up until being able to do this full time. And this is the first time I'm like, man, I just want to go to a theater all day and walk into the credits. Like, during Civil War, I was working in a movie theater. theater and I'd go in and watch Spider-Man and watch I'd watch the audience. Right.

During Civil War, it was like 52 minutes in. I would just watch the audience. This is the first time since I've left the movie theater industry that I'm like, I want to go back and just be in the credits. What do you, what do you think? Are you going to go back to see the movie again? Yeah. Probably speaking.

It's the first. It's, and it's fun is like I've liked other comic book movies better than this one. Sure. But I haven't wanted to go back and watch them again. Like, so for example, like I, if you gave me, like, what do I think is the, like, what do I think is the better over, I don't want to do a full comparison. What do I think is a better crafted, written movie, this or Shang Chi?

What did I enjoy more? This. I enjoyed watching this more. So I saw No Way Home four times in theaters because I loved it. And then I saw Batman three times in theaters because I loved it. A lot of the other ones I've only rewatched because of work. Like I presented some of the other movies. Batman three times in the theater?

I love that movie. That's a great movie, but that's a long movie. I spent nine hours in the first 10 days. Dude. I saw that movie. It's a really good movie. week and a half three times. It's a long movie.

But like I was so invested, but like I haven't. You don't come out skipping after that one. Yeah, I'm not exactly. Yeah, that score you walk out very morose. But this movie I came out skipping, I want to have that rush. Like I want that experience. You listen to this score. This score makes you want to build houses.

Oh dude, I want to do so much. It's like I said, da-da-na-na-na-na-na. And I would break my thumb in two seconds. I need to get right to come over and set up a coffee machine. That's true with tools. But still, it's like, oh, I love that score so much. I'm on day three of two days at the gym. and I've been listening to this at the gym.

Because I feel like who would be more proud than the rock of me at the gym listening to this? Listen. I had fun with this movie. I had a lot of fun with it. And again, I still think it ranked it. I think it's like three and a half at a five. It's what I gave it to.

I gave it a solid B. It's like seven out of ten. Yeah. And it's so either way, I think that we, what are we, for the most, I mean, like I said,

the setup for, the villain I think was at a, I had a similar problem in like the early MCU days. It wasn't a great villain. It didn't really, I wasn't invest. did it. No, man, it's just like he would...

There was never a massive threat. But this feels like a phase one. This feels like a good thing for DC. I would like D.C. to have phase one. Me too. Because right now they've had phase half, phase four, phase three. Like, DC has been like this. Because the problem with DC was they went and made a great man of steel movie. And then they rushed its first sequel by making it a mix of things. And almost a Justice League movie itself by having all three of the minute. And then their Justice League movie was like, we need to make this two hours when it should be five. They didn't have the leadership for it. They didn't have... They didn't have a plan. Right. Right.

And I think that that's what D.C. suffered for a long time. That's what Lucasfilm in their film division still suffers from. And I think that this is where it does feel like a shift. It feels like a change. Make a phase one. Yeah, it feels like a change. And I'm curious. They're looking for writers right now for the Man of Steel sequel.

I'm glad that they're doing it. I want to know. I like the names on their short list, man. McCuary's a great call. I, well, yeah, but it's a matter of a time. Right. With all the mission and possible stuff. But with his Henry Cavill relationship.

I'm hopeful. I know. I know. Anyway, look, I... We'll report on that soon. Is there anything else that we're missing? We, I mean, we ran some worried about it because we liked it more than... I'm excited to hear what other people think because I haven't been able to talk to anybody.

I think, if I'm going to guess, I think the... And please, make sure that you comment. Obviously, if you've seen the movie, that's why you're here. Give me your thoughts on it. If I was to guess, I'm going to say that we're going to see a lot of people saying, I thought it was all right. I was kind of... I thought that I did see someone who saw it and agreed with me that,

but it affected them more of a negative way, that the style affected the movie and it took them out of it. I can see that happening. I can see people just having a blast with it. I can see people who love the rock just loving the movie. I can see every scale of this

because what I can't see if someone going, like when you see like a crap movie, yeah, brutal. Like the monsters is a crap movie. Right. This is this is not a, this is a movie that I can see where you're going. I've seen it before, fine.

I'm very curious to see what people are going to say. I'm really excited to have the discourse about the JSA about the future of DC. I'm excited for the conversations that are around the corner. Like that's the best thing about these movies is the conversations after like this. That's what I'm ready for. All right, everybody. So what did you think? Did you like the movie? Did you not like the movie? Make sure that you comment.

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