The Kristian Harloff Show - BLACK ADAM WILL LOSE 50-100 MIL?! Fortune Fiemster Interview! | DC | Big Thing

Episode Date: December 6, 2022

Special episode today! DC Black Adam is set to lose 50-100 mil in a new report form the major trades. What will this mean for the future of the character? The Flash seems to be a really good film, Warner Bros is pushing the film a week earlier. Kristian gets an opportunity to speak with comedian Fortune Fiemster who has a new special on Netflix, Good Fortune. We talk stand up, Fortune's road to stand up and The Comedy Store. Enjoy the conversation! #DC #FortuneFiemster #DCU #BlackAdam #TheFlash UNCOMMON GOODS To get 15% off your next gift, go to UNCOMMON GOODS dot com slash BIGTHING. That's UNCOMMON GOODS dot com slash BIGTHING, for 15% off! Don't miss out on this limited time offer! Uncommon Goods. We're all out of the ordinary. OUR MERCH STORE IS LIVE: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/the-big-thing-kh-channel?ref_id=27393 AMAZON WISHLIST: https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/1KPH42T0TP0PG?ref=cm_sw_em_r_un_un_djbxgIW5ZQMMg PATREON: http://www.patreon.com/thebigthingshow SCHMOEDOWN ARCHIVE CHANNEL: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheMovieTriviaSchmoedownArchives Ask Kristian questions for next time! https://facebook.com/harloff Become a Patreon of the Schmoedown: http://patreon.com/schmoedown OTHER GREAT CONTENT: REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT368qY7sfE0nKE4c04CqGvu TV REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT1LU-t2Z9AD5UJDiWW4pS_E STAR WARS SHOW https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT0XmfpbblkF9PY7uO2qhbN6 THE BIG THING PODCAST https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT3KAwbzDsv6mdR-gwUiydQg FOLLOW KRISTIAN + FIND HIM ON CAMEO https://cameo.com/kristianharloff https://twitter.com/kristianharloff https://facebook.com/harloff https://instagram.com/kristianharloff Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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That's part one. Part two is the Flash gets pushed up a week, so they're definitely going forward and, you know, let's start leaning into that one pretty soon. But this episode is one that's a little special to me, because as you guys may or may not know, my world for a long time was stand-up comedy and it was my job. It was everything I did and the comedy store was my base. It was where I lived. It's where I met a lot of my friends and I hold it very dearly in my heart.

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Not the big thing. Thank you guys so much for all the support and everything too. I know that's been out this December. It's not really what we're only going to have Avatar out as far as the big movies come. To my knives out, glass onion review. It's going to be shit about that. Um, but the big thing episode has been doing really well. Seth Council's doing really well. And we're getting ready to move into that busy season once February hits. But like I said, on Tuesdays, normally either if I'm doing John's show or if I'm working on some stuff, catching up on emails, it's usually what Tuesday's for. The Netflix reached out and they're like, hey, do you want to talk to Fortune Feimster about her new special that's on us?

Are you kidding me? 100%. Sign me up. Let's do a special episode. Let's let the audience know. And that's what we did. So I pre-tape that. I'll show you that in a little bit, but I want to get to the news and stuff first.

because there's news. There's news. And the first story as you clicked on it here today and you want to know what the hell happened here, Black Adam, which I thought would break even. And trust me, you guys will let me know it's not going to. I get tagged on these articles and everybody wants to prove everybody wrong. Okay, you prove me wrong.

It's going to lose money. It's going to lose $50 to $100 million, apparently. And after seven weeks in the cinema, this is from Dark Horizons. Duane Johnson said, Don't read. That's lazy to read. read. What the hell are you talking about? I read the story, you stupid ass, and then I comment on it afterwards. It's the whole point. Don't read. It's shit. Anyway, after seven weeks in

cinemas, the Dwayne Johnson led DC Comics adaptation, Black Adam has pulled in 387 million globally. Variety reports that with a costly $195 million production budget and a worldwide marketing spend of 80 to $100 million, the film that promised to change the hierarchy of power in the DC universe may end up losing a bunch of money. The trade indicates that the film needed to earn around 600 million worldwide to break even, but box office experts indicate the film will close out its theatrical run with less than 400 million globally. As a result, it reportedly stands to lose 50 to 100 million on its theatrical release,

according to the estimates of insiders and rival executives. Sources at Warner's dispute the numbers telling the trade that the film will break even. They add the change to a shorter theatrical wind, They add that the change to a shorter theatrical window means the films jump to PVOD cut costs on home video marketing, whilst increasing revenue from via premium pricing with estimates of a further 25, 35 million gross there. Even so, Black Adam isn't a financial winner for Warner's and joins. So, hey, if that's the case, by the way, if Warner Brothers is telling the truth, I was right, you humps, if they're telling the truth. We don't know if they're telling the truth or not, but if they are telling the truth,

which is what made sense, that the stuff, as soon as it went to video on demand, another thing, and they cut the theatrical costs of how long it was going to run, I mean, then yeah, it's, by no means as they hit, they wanted to do, that wanted to have it, but I still think it could break even, so we don't know. It depends on who you believe. Do you believe the trade reports?

You believe Warner Brothers who might be trying to, you know, cover their hinders. It doesn't matter. Black Adam debuted to a six. $67 million opening on par with DC titles like Aquaman and Shazam. However, those films rode waves of much stronger reviews and had longer legs. Aquaman turned it into $1.1 billion hit while the cost-effective Shazam quadruple to its 90 million budget. Black Adam will end up with half the gross of the Batman, which is $770 million earlier this year,

but at least it's faring better than $165 million grosses each of Wonder Woman 1984. That's not fair, pandemic stuff. And the Suicide Squad, also pandemic stuff, which saw their performances, Okay, limited by the pandemic. Simultaneously, HBO Max debuts, and Wonder Woman 1984's case, poor reviews. All true. All right.

All right. Well, again, not the hit that they wanted. So we can all agree on that, whether you believe Warner Brothers or not. I believe them. Not only because it would make me right, but I believe him. I think that, yeah, they wanted to go longer.

It wasn't pulling in the numbers. So in order to make up the difference, they put it out quicker. They cut the theatrical run. They cut back on marketing. They probably save some costs, which would make sense. I mean, I believe that report. Not say they're going to make a profit on it.

I thought it would probably maybe lose a little bit of money. But I do believe that report. Either way, what they wanted and what Dwayne Johnson clearly wanted was a big massive hit. And to get those legs like Aquaman. The problem is this. Well, there's a lot of problems. But one of the main problems is this.

The movie itself, I enjoyed. Not a lot of people enjoyed it because what I can say, even though I enjoyed it, it was generic. It was fun, very fun. I had a blast with it. It was generic. And it wasn't really well written. It wasn't different. It didn't change the game.

And that's what they needed to do. They needed to change the game. And they really needed it to people to lose their minds over it. And it wasn't. It was like a fun old school 90s summer blockbuster film that's, for the most part, forgettable. And I hate saying that. I love Wayne Johnson and everything too, but it was forgettable. I'd like to have music was awesome

I listen to music all the time and I want to see another one I don't think we probably will at this point we probably will see him up here in one of the DC movies unless he's you know scorned by this

because I think he's probably bummed you know probably ego he got too because I still say it and I said it last time people were disagreeing with me in the comments and that's fine I think that if it's not The Rock, this movie A, doesn't really get made. And some people say, well, it's probably a good thing because it didn't do very well. But I still think it doesn't make...

I think that if you made this movie for the same budget with a different actor, depending on who the actor was, but most likely, it's a big loss, a bigger loss. I think that the fact of the way that he pushed it, he got people to see it. And then obviously the marketing of Henry Cavill coming back. That's going to be the big thing that everyone talks about is the Henry Cavill coming back. So, yeah. What do you guys think, man? Did you think to this?

I'm so curious with the opinions on it on whether you think it was a loss, whether you think it was breaking even. And either way, I think what it means going forward. I don't think we see a sequel. I don't think we see a sequel. I think James Gunn wants to take that risk. I think Peter Safrin want to take that risk. They're going to probably try to get it.

get him to appear in Shazam. If Shazam 2 does well, they'll probably have tried to appear in Shazam 3, but from rumors that he doesn't like Shazam, I don't know how it's going to go. But they got Cavill back, and he was able to, him and other people were able to get Cavill back. So that's a big win. But yeah, a bummer.

Bummer for Dwayne Johnson, bummer for everybody else and who was involved in it. But just looks like it's not the hit they wanted it to be. Now, one that is, I think, is going to be a big hit for them, obviously is Flash, man. Flash is going to be huge. And it's so interesting because of Ezra Miller, you know, all the stuff going on with Ezra Miller.

But it got moved up. They moved up the Flash. I think that's good news for it. And I also think it's probably something that Safran and Gunner probably pushing for as well. But apparently, again, Dark Horizons, Warner Brothers Pictures has reportedly moved up. The Ezra Miller led the Flash film by a week to June 16th,

just in time for Father's Day. and this comes from deadline, the film will now go up against Elemental from Pixar and the Jennifer Lawrence led R-rated drama No Heart feelings. I don't think Elemental or The Flash will have too much problem against each other with a different audience, I think. Or you have families and I think it'll be, I don't think it's going to be too much. Despite the tabloid headline surrounding Miller,

who issued a public apology for their troubling behavior back in mid-August, Warner Brothers CEO David Zazlov, has steadfastly stuck to the plan of releasing the film theatrically. Part of the reason is that the film has reportedly landed stellar test scores and is being dubbed Spider-Man. No Way Home Good. I know I've heard that. It's a film that boasts appearances by both Michael Keaton and Ben Affleck as Batman. Winter Brothers Pictures has also added mummies to its schedule with a February 24th, 2023 release date, planned Sean Bean and Hugh Bonneville, led their voices to the project. Okay. Yeah, this is, I think this kind of adds into the fact

that they have confidence in it, a lot of confidence in it. And they're pushing up and they also want to get the, they want to get this train rolling so they can get to Aquaman and then start the new movies coming in. I'm curious if we'll see if there's any reshoots or how that plays. The ending is going to be very interesting. What could very well happen, by the way, I don't know if it will.

I don't think it will, but what could happen is with enough conversations with Ezra Miller, I think it's a massive risk kind of dangerous risk. Ezra Miller could stay on board as the flash. James Gunn and Ezra Miller are friendly apparently. So maybe they give Ezra Miller a shot. It could happen. Is it no way, no chance?

Now there's a chance. I think it makes sense for them to cut ties because they have an out with Flashpoint. They have an out with the multiverse and change it up. but we'll see if they're going to do it. But as they said in this report, I heard, I had heard from somebody who actually saw a test screening of it

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Please comment and tell me your thoughts right now. And now I want to get into the part of the show I'm very excited about. As I mentioned to you guys, a lot of you know at this point. Like, you know, obviously I met, well, I met Mark at a barbecue. And he actually had Fortune Feimster's haircut when I met him at a barbecue. But comedy stores where I met a lot of my friends had a lot of great conversations. And I went to Mark's show not too long ago, not too long ago Saturday. I ran into my buddy, Eliza Slesinger, who I haven't seen it a little bit.

And that was nice catching up with her. But after I had stopped doing stand-up, I stopped going to the comedy store because it was like going. I felt like, you know, going to a gym and you just keep getting the urge to go back. And it's a stupid mental thing that I do to myself. But with doing that, I missed out on a lot of the up-and-coming and newer comedians who have found a lot of success. and one of them is Fortune Feimster. As I mentioned to her, and I mentioned to you guys up top, I first noticed her in the Mindy Project.

And you see her now, and I got a chance to watch her special before I interviewed her. And I tell her as much inside it, I was surprised as much as how much I related to her stuff. It was, she does an excellent job of doing that. And that's kind of her intent. I don't want to ruin her answers to the interview. So as I mentioned, again, please comment.

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Fortune Feamster. There you go. What's going on, everybody? I'm excited for this one. Thank you for joining me once again on the show. As you guys know, you've been watching for a little bit. I talked about for a long time, the stand-up comedy was my world. It was my life.

It was my job. And the Comedy Store in Los Angeles was my home base. And Mitzi Shore was my Yoda. And I got a chance to work with great comedians and watch people kind of blow up, whether it was Eliza Slesinger and obviously Mark Ellis and Sebastian and all those peeps. And the one thing that I've always regretted is afterwards, like leaving all those great comedians that were coming up afterwards. I miss them. And I missed them.

And one of them that I've talked about for a lot, and I've talked about with Mark, it's Fortune Feimster. And I have a chance to talk to her right now. Her brand new special on Netflix is hilarious. ladies and gentlemen here she is hello I'm sorry how are you good how are you doing this is deja vu deja vu that's right okay so let's let's get into this I want to know as far as stand-up comedy goes because I was telling you beforehand I have had a chance to see a really great comedians as I was coming up and watching these people blow up and then I had first noticed you from the Mindy project so can you tell me how did you get into stand-up yeah it's

so trippy because there are a number of people who only know me from acting and had no idea that I did stand up until I put out my first hour. But yeah, I started at the Comedy Store in 2007,

which seems like an insane place to start stand up for the first time. But I was already living in Los Angeles and I was doing improv at the groundlings and very much into that improv sketch world. And someone came to one of my sketch shows and they were like, why are you not doing

stand-up? You seem like you have a very specific voice and I was just like, it just seems very hard, a hard thing to do. But I ended up taking a class. And at the end of that class, we did a show in the belly room of the comedy store. And that's when I was like, oh, this is what I want

to do. Was it Jody Miller? No, it was Adam Barnhart. Oh, yeah. I know. I know. I know. Absolutely. He used to have a show every Sunday night for years. Yes, he did. So I met him with, I met Cynthia, Cynthia Levine and Adam at the same, Cynthia Levine was my acting teacher when I first got out here. Oh, wow. She's so funny. She's the coolest. And, um, yeah. Yeah. So that's awesome. You know, it's funny. It's right around 2007, I was, um, that's kind of when I was starting to transition out and

get into this silly space. But I was actually, I had performed in the OR the night before all the Rogan and and Carlson Cia shit went down like the night before but like that place you're not wrong in 2007 it was right it was it was it didn't it's not the spot that it wasn't the spot that it is right now no not at all it was going through a weird time when I started like a very dark energy well Tommy yeah I mean it was it was a I just thought that's how comedy was supposed to be yeah because I didn't have anything else to compare it to and it was like such a hard thing to like um make your way through that place and the there were the rooms were like half empty all the time and you were like you know performing to

like drunk guys and um it was i definitely felt like i like learned how to be gritty in comedy from that place which is funny because now i'm very much known for storytelling and positivity and lightness, which is, that's what I'm able to bring now that I have an audience. But when you're coming up, it's very gritty. It's very. It makes you tough. It's a gym. It's the stinky gym.

Yeah. It's the stinky gym and it gets you tough because it was my favorite place to perform because as my, and even I love, I love La Jolla. La Jolla is great, but there's something about just the OR at two in the morning in front of, you know, six people. And it's just like you've got, that's, you've got a train. That's how you train. Yeah.

That's how you cut your teeth. And clearly from being, because you're, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you I can tell even from hearing what you were saying and watching your latest special. You're a phenomenal storyteller. You're such a great storyteller. And I told you before we started taping how much I relate to your stories because I am terrible around the house, handywise. I'm so bad at a fortune. I'm terrible.

I love that you find it relatable because that's what I want in these stories. I don't want to just speak to like someone like me. I don't want to speak to just one type of person. And I want to tell stories that do, you know, reach across different people and, and, where people can listen to these and see themselves in, in these stories, you know, at different points. But yeah, I think when I did my first, I put out my first hour, sweet and salty in January of 2020. And that's where I really discovered how much I like storytelling. because up until that hour

I was always working on half hours trying to get that comedy central half hour was always the goal when you're first coming up so you're thinking more about punchlines and those quicker bits and then once I got to do this hour I was like oh I have a whole hour I can really like take my time

and tell like a longer thing and so I did that and then after that came out obviously the world shut down but then when things finally opened back up i started my very first theater tour and then i got to really lean into the storytelling even more so that's why this good fortune special is a lot of stories i love them that's that's my that's what i like the most as a type of comedy that i've always responded to that i enjoy doing myself and i and that's why i think and and i absolutely felt that watching because i think there is that kind of misconception from a lot of

people, right? You see like, because you even say it inside of the special, which I loved, and that's just like, I am not, I am not, I'm just not. Yeah. I'm not. And, and I, look, I'm like in flannel right now. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. I play the part very well, but if you think I'm handy or, uh, like I, I, I am more of a delicate flower than anyone would ever assume. I, I, I can tell from just talking to you that you are, but I, but I, but I, but I, but there is persona right. And there's persona for like, whether or not it's an image that when you're on television or just if someone sees you, like I didn't know.

Like I heard, like Mark raves about you and people that I know talk about how sweet you are and what a nice person you are. But I was like, but I've never talked to you. So right away when I see and I, but I've seen your other special, but this one I was like, okay, I can see how someone, why you would, because that's very early on when you're telling people that, hey, I'm not because I think it's for that. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's for that. reason to do it up top is to say hey look this is for this is for everybody realized because

right away i said okay she's speaking my language because i i call my friend hey can you hang up this this picture he's like use a nail just use a nail yeah well i also like the once i know i'm gonna film a special i really like that challenge of uh trying to make the hour um a whole narrative yeah I really like the like treating it like its own book kind of like here's the beginning middle of and in. And so I wanted to set up in the beginning this like thing about not being butch and here are examples about how I'm not. And here here's times that I really messed up and didn't step up to the occasion. Yeah. And you know, just sort of the talking about the misses in those life situations how I how I did not rise to the occasion.

And then I like to, you know, so you're on this journey with me and you're already bought into that. Like, okay, yeah, that's, now we've learned she's like this. And then I like coming back around and so, well, I'm going to tell you this last story. And here is how I am, Butch. So, suck it. And that's fun. That's fun for me.

I love that coming back around kind of thing. And it's fun writing too and it's fun too because like you said, and you've already gotten everybody on your side as well too. And I think that what I loved is like as you said when you're interweaving when and then you even said how. And again, another thing related to is I have two kids. I have a five year old and I have an 11 year old.

And you start talking about how like kindergarten and a kindergarten teacher and like having the when you had the hammer and I'm like, yeah, that's, remind me of the 80s. Remind me of those things. But still like what kids can. get themselves into and how tough teachers really have to be. I took, I took four 11 year olds to Universal Studios yesterday. Oh boy.

You're not, you're not kidding. Although they were actually, they were actually really sweet. They did all right. They did. I was expecting, I was expecting like Lord of the Flies or something. I don't know what I was expecting about. I was expecting. I didn't know what to do because on the way there, I'm like, I don't know how to relate.

I say, hey, you guys watched a Mandalorian. Like, no, no. And there, but here they are. and they're talking about which boys they thought were the most annoying. Yeah. You know, but it couldn't have been sweeter, but it was a lot of fun.

But to hear you talk about that, and then I thought that your story about, just in general, your partner and how, and did you choose Chicago because of that reason? Because that's where you guys met. Yeah, I had done my sweet and salty special.

I taped in North Carolina because it was very much about like growing up and figuring out who I was. So a lot of those stories started in North Carolina and happened there. So I liked having that personal connection to it. And then this set, even though I talk about other things, at the heart of it is a lot about my now wife. And we met in Chicago. So I was like, well, this feels like a very cool, like full circle moment too, like having it be here. And this is where we met and started this journey together.

So yeah, it's been cool, like figuring out those personal connections. It did. It has made a bit of a tricky situation for when I do whatever I do next. I'm like, I've run, I'm running out of stories. It's a matter where you're going to have it. What place? What place is? I know.

I don't have a connection anywhere else right now, but L.A., I guess. Nowhere else. But, well, North Carolina, though, was interesting, too. And I wanted to talk to you about that because. You said you came out to L.A. You started performing stand-up in 2007, but when did you come to L.A.? I came to L.A. in May of 2003, which seems crazy to me now. It's nuts.

Yeah, because you're an 80s kid. Yeah. And I just was kind of figuring it out. I didn't really know what I was doing. I was doing random jobs and then started as a journalist. out here and then like two years into being here. I'd always like

loved SNL and like grew up watching that show and was always like doing the I would I would video record on my VHS. I'm really dating myself now. The sketches and then on Monday at school I would like perform those

for my friends. So I obviously had that somewhere in me like that like draw to comic but I didn't think like you could do it for a living but I had a really hard time making friends when I first moved to L.A. and like I didn't realize how shut off everyone is here and if you want to be someone's friend you got to really work for it. And so I started taking improv classes truly as a way to make friends. It was not a career choice. Did it work inside the improv crew? Because improv's about as clicky as it gets.

I know it, um, it did work because it was a serious. I did a couple of things at the same time because I, I, long story short, it was like Christmas of 2004 and I called my mom like crying, uh, or no, it was not Christmas. It was, uh, right after New Year's 2005. And I would call my mom just like, just kind of like, I am so bummed and sad here. I don't know what to do. Why am I even here? I don't know anybody.

And she just had a mom moment where she was like, you can come home. I mean, that's always an option. But if you really want to stay there, you got to do something about it. You can't just like sit around licking your wounds and be sad and lonely. If you want to meet people, do something about it. And so I like joined a bunch of improv was one of the things I did. I joined a soccer team, started playing a tennis. league and by the spring I had like all these friends and we had this big barbecue in my

backyard it was like a whole different ball game I love that and it's so funny that you say that too again it's like when I got out here and it was see I'll even date myself more I got I got here in 99 so when I got out here I did I drove for oh just a little bit around a week I was just driving around and I couldn't even remember the streets. So I stayed home and just smoked a lot of pot and played Nintendo. For like a week and I called my dad. I said, I'm moving back to New York.

Everybody sucks. Yeah. And he essentially said the same thing. He goes, if you want to move back to New York and you want to do it, go ahead. But it's like you're, but I know you and you're going to kick yourself in the ass because you didn't try. Yeah. I mean, because that's the thing.

You just have to stick it out. And you do have to try it. And there's no way to really get around not being like. lonely at first. You're going to be lonely anywhere you go that's new and you know, you don't know people. It's just L.A. is a, you know, even

more different beast because this whole industry is just, you know, built for different people. But I did find that, you know, even though I never was like, quote unquote, Hollywood, I felt like you could live out in L.A. and have a totally normal,

happy life. Like, my friends and I used to go play like, what is it called? Ultimate Frisbee, like every Saturday, like goofballs, you know? Griffin Park. Yeah, like I wasn't going to like these big Hollywood events. Like we were like, let's, you know, get a drink and play Ultimate Frisbee. It was like very normal, normal silly times while trying to like be a comedian. You want to say you try to stay and you want to stay grounded because it's the same,

the same side of that. you see because you see the other people who got him to get caught up in it and they want to go and they're like, I want to go to that party in the house in the hills. I'm like, dude, you have $33 in your account. And it's like, what do you be talking about? It's like, so those moments and being up, because by staying ground that it also, I should backtrack a little bit because of what you're saying, the same thing, conversation you have with your mom. It's yes, you want to go after it, but you also got to make sure that you really want it, right? And that was the thing. And I, and I'll be completely honest with you. The other night, I had a conversation, my wife,

went to Mark Ellis's taping. I ran into Eliza Slesinger, who I've known for 20 some odd years. And I told me when I got back, I was like, I do have that thing where I was like, should I have given it up when I did? You know,

and when you're around it as a fighter and you're seeing these things that you're going through. But it's like, but it's because of people like yourself, people like Eliza, people like Mark. And you see,

there's no difference with the grind when you're starting to the grind where you're successful and you have two Netflix specials, you have two Netflix specials and you're doing all these things. So tell me about the grind. now. Tell me about like what what it is because yes, you have a different grind than when you were here in

2003, but now there's, there's, I would assume even more pressure sometimes on you. Yeah, the grind has never gone away. I mean, it definitely is a job that requires all hands on deck. I mean, my whole life is working, even though I have, I'm very lucky I have, you know, good friends and my wife and I'd really try to find balance. I am a workaholic and so I work all the time. And when I was coming up, it was a lot of like doing, I was constantly performing like tons of shows all the time, never making a dime. But that was all the grind that I had to do to get good at it. And then once you finally get those breaks, then you're just trying to like do shows all the time to, you know, like touring becomes a thing.

Like I started touring in 2010. It's funny because like I'm friends with Bill Burt and I started touring like 2010. And I remember running into him on a plane and like and he's always like been such a good awesome supporter of my standup and always complimentary. But I saw him on a plane and like, I don't know, 2018. And he's like, where are you coming back from?

I was like, you know, headlining whatever club. he's like you're headlining i'm like bill i've been touring since 2010 right right yeah and time goes so quick with it too you know it's like a blink of an eye and next thing you know yeah yeah well it's just because as stand-ups we're all on the road like we're not really i guess now you're kind of clocking what people are doing more because of social media but before then like you didn't like comics were just off you know you would see them at the store or the improv or whatever during the week but you didn't know like where they were headlining or you know that they were touring you know that they were touring So we were we all kind of living in our bubble.

But yeah, I mean, now it's the grind is just like, oh, well, now I got to make the next hour better than the last. I got to, you know, I got to live life too because I got to tell stories that are about life because that's what I like to talk about. You know, then there's like, it's the business of it. Now it's a business. It's not as simple as the days of like, oh, is it the groundlings writing sketches to one in the morning and doing shows at the store. Now it's like, oh, I've got a, you know, this, this entity thing that you got to keep going and fueling and trying to be creative still. Well, it's also funny because you look at how different it was and then like just being a

student of the game with watching all this with stand up how it was back in the day. Like you talk about the 80s, whether it was with Carson and all. And these things that you had to do in order to make it back then are significantly different to what people are striving. for now and then with the addition now of streaming as you're very aware of of the stuff like Netflix has changed the game with with stand-up comedy tremendously and it's a matter as you said before was like say Comedy Central doing those things it's now it's it's how many specials you have on Netflix how many they did how many people are looking but you also you're not only just

doing stand-up you've got you've done movies with Netflix you've done these other things so how did you first form your relationship with Netflix and and what's your experience been like so for. Yeah. To talk about the first thing you said, it is weird. Stand-up is that one business where it's never enough to have like one job. It's like everyone's like, well, what else you're doing? You're like, this is not enough?

You know, radio show, podcast, movies, TV, stand-up writing. It's like we're, but that's, I think, the hustler in all of us. We like to have our hand in a lot of different things. With Netflix, I think that relationship started. it would have been in 2017 they were they had already been doing specials I remember people putting specials

on the platform and I was like oh that's like really cool and they definitely like I feel like in the 2017 18 eras when they really started doing that bigger push with stand-up and they

were doing half hours it was season one of stand-ups it was called and they had five spots for um it was mainly it was meant to be for comics who were like good comics but weren't quite ready for the hour yet it was like meant to be the stepping stone and so i somehow they they reached out and offered me one of those spots um and so that was my first taste um with the platform and that was really cool because it was worldwide i had not been on anything worldwide before. And then from there,

I think like a year later, I was like, ready to do that hour. They're like, no, you're not. Because that's when it was like really popular. And everybody was,

you know, not that it's not now, but it was like everyone was trying to get specials. And I was like, oh man. So I was basically told no. And it forced me to like, go back on the road and just grind for like the next year and a half and what I thought was ready

a year and a half before and what I ended up filming for sweet and salty were so vastly different it was like such a that no was such a blessing in disguise um because it it forced me to make that material undeniable um and uh so right or I think it was it would have been 2019, I started doing the radio show with Tom Papa for Netflix on Sirius XM. So that radio show and the hour special came together kind of at the same time. And that is that's what really started that relationship. Tom Papa's hilarious, man. He's so funny.

He's hilarious when I was here. Yeah. He just, sorry, go ahead. He just texted me that he threw bread over my fence. I was like, you could have put it on the porch, you know? He's like, it's in the bushes somewhere. I'm like, okay, thanks. Hey, if you're working on his hook shot.

I love, yeah, when, I don't know, Alice and I were shooting something and we came back to the store and he was up and he's just, he's just one of those guys. You just watch like, who are you? Because every comedian, you know, it's, it's whether people talk about it or not, it's like, it's not a disrespect, but it's like when you're around it a lot, like when you're at the store and as you are, sometimes you just kind of find you drift out. You're at the bar.

You're in the back talking to people. But there's other comedians that you just can't help yourself and you're like, I got to watch and everyone's sitting in your OR watching. Who would you find yourself watching on the situations like that? Yeah. He's like a comics comic. Yeah. Because he's such a good writer.

Everyone's like, I want to like everyone we interviews like I like worshipped you when I was in the clubs in New York. So that's always cool. to hear um i mean yeah i always love watching tom i mean again bill burr every time i'm he's on a lineup i like scurry out to the side to watch what he's doing because i'm always yeah there's certain comics that you just like you're like i want to know their take on things sarah silverman's one of those people i always am like i never know what she's going to say or what she's going to talk about so to me that's exciting yeah to like see when she's on a lineup um

Um, that was a good one. Yeah, I mean, I've, you know, stumbled into the store when like Chris Rock's been there, like, yeah, practicing bits or like he's got some major thing coming up. And that's like such a treat. I got to see his show in Nashville when he was like at the very beginning of his tour and like seeing it in that stage was really cool. Like, and seeing how he was working things. And then I got to go to the arena show in Toronto and see like this, the more homeed act. And that was really neat seeing someone at his level, the both sides of it. How did Ingram do that night?

How did what? Rick Engroom do. Oh, he was great. Well, you know, he's so known for his crowd work. I mean, anyone that goes to the store a lot has seen Rick's crowdwork. And when I was coming up, that he was like, he would crush every time. Yeah, he's so quick on his feet and stuff. And I was like, how's this going to work in an arena?

But he did it. It's awesome. He's like a musician, man. I don't know how he's able to do it. But he's just so, he's so fast. Yeah, Rick, Rick was, I was, I was, Rick tells this all the time. But so, you know, most people, when they're working at the store, they want to get made regulars. And so they'll work, they'll work the store.

and then just hopefully get irregular, and then they quit, and then they start doing spots. I think I might be the only person that became irregular and then started working there. Oh, yeah? Well, Rick gives me shit for it all the time because I was the worst worker in the world.

I would fake, I would, like, you know, they had that big, the shaky ladder with the yawning, and I would, I just tell Dean that, like, I had, I said, yeah, I got fear heights. And he's like, no, my God, hilarious. No, you don't. And, but I did it because at the time, you could do the employee spots and you could do,

like a whole different bunch of spots. But Rick was the best man. Rick, Rick and I just would fuck around. He's, he's hilarious. But it's just, it's amazing. So how much, though, but I want to go back to what you just said, though, about when you were told no on that special and then you go out. And I think you said the keyword for people for anybody who's wanting to do stand up, thinking of it like stand up. It's what you said there. It was that you were told no, but you had an opportunity. It was like you had this car, but you didn't have all the parts in it that you thought that you thought you did. And then you started honing it. Now you have like this fucking fast and furious car that you have now. And it's like it shows you how important working out is. Well, I see it a lot with the comics coming up behind me. I mean, I'm still no veteran. I mean, you know, I feel like in comedy you have to be in it like 25 years to be considered a veteran.

Yeah. But, but, you know, the comics that are coming up trying to get their first hour with Netflix. You know, I'm always encouraging them. to, you know, just go make it undeniable. Like, that doesn't necessarily mean that they will still offer you one. Someone will, or you'll find a place for it. There's so many outlets now. But, you know, a lot of people get very antsy.

I think because social media has created this, like, now, I want it now, give it to me now. I want to be known now. It's taken a little bit of the journey away. like you know you have to build yourself you have to build your act you have to get better and unfortunately you know all of us think we're ready when we you know we're like I'm good I got it people are laughing I'm selling tickets come on and then other people are like no you're not and you kind of get that like door in your face but I yeah I'm always saying to my friends like just go go on the road yeah like they they can't take that away from you go on the road

do do all these clubs you will in even six months be a better comedian absolutely and and your material will be that much more you know um it will just be so much um what's the word uh tight it'll be tighter yeah and polished and the punch lines will be there so it's it's a bummer to get the nose but sometimes it is a blessing i agree with you and i think that it's it's it also makes you stronger and it goes back to what we were just talking about with the talking about whether you're going to leave or not or stick stick it out it's it's it's the comedians that stick it out and try and grind and you got to be able to take that that shot of a guy I did a I did a I did start getting back up on stage recently and I went back up and

on on uh on uh flappers and and I was and I was there but I had and I had done a set and I told my wife this and I was drawn the drive back and I want to and and as I was driving back I said you know it was the it was a weird set because I felt two things. I felt the oldest that I've ever felt on stage because there was a crowd of like 22-year-old. I'm like, who's married? Not a fucking peep. Pact house, not a peep.

And I was like, oh, and I'm all in my tears about my kids now and everything to it. Yeah. I stuck. But then there was something that didn't go well that at 25 or 26, I would have either taken it the wrong way, done a different thing, or tried to maneuver the audience to think it was funnier than it was. And this time I was just like, well, no, do this. And I learned more about myself. And I said to my wife, it was just such a learning experience of doing that, I, from whether it's talking into this stupid thing every day or whatever it is, you learn about

yourself and you got to use that on stage. Clearly what you did in this special. And I got to ask, as I bring up my wife, I got to ask you about checks, who you talk about a lot. How is she with you? Because my wife is like again she she's a saint but has to deal with the comedian side of me and the thing of that right you know you know and am i good enough have i done this am i able to do this and these is this funny is this not how does she how does she handle it and how is she kind of like um an inspiration or does she do her own thing yeah um i mean when i met her like i said in the thing in the special she was a kindergarten teacher had been for like 13 years um I met her in Chicago.

So, like, L.A. and certainly the comedy world were very foreign to her. Like, she didn't not know anything about the business. And so when she moved L.A., it was very scary for her. Like, I don't, you know, I think I know this person. They seem like a nice person. But what if they're like, you know, even her mom was like, what if she's like some L.A. Hollywood party person? So she didn't really know what she was getting into.

But then she realized, yeah, I am boring and, you know, not very Hollywood. And so as we've been together now seven and a half years, like you can't help but become engulfed by this whole career because it's so time consuming and life consuming. So now she's very savvy with it. You know, she's my go-to person about advice. And I don't take, there's very few decisions, if any, that I make without her. when it comes to, you know, especially the big career things. She's very involved. She was an executive producer on both specials because she toured with me a ton and would give me, you know, notes.

And she's like, she's not a comedian, but she can see if something's like struggling or or she'll remind me of like, remember this, what happened to us, this place. So she's, she's all in, which is really lovely. Did she like kind of go back with you on that story? Because the story about how you proposed was hilarious. And the, the, the, with the freaking, what's his face from beauty? Oh, Craig. Yeah, Craig was, that was just because I could see it. Yeah, I'm sure.

I'm sure it was. And I, like, I exaggerated him a bit. But other than that. Yeah, but I'm sure. But I mean, but I can, but again, I felt like the way that I was looking at it when I was watching the special, I said, can I picture myself outside with Fortune that she's telling me this story. And the answer was 100% yet. And I was like, you can just see it where, because it's a, it's that conversation of, because you, we exaggerate stories even when you're not on stage, right? And that's anybody. And it's like,

if you want to, if you want to try to tell further out the story of what this person was doing, but did Jacks have a, have a lot of input of, oh, remember when he did this or when he did that? Or did you just recall that story really? I just, well, I didn't talk about that story for, because I proposed that now it would have been like, that would have been like 2019, maybe. Okay. And I didn't talk about it for like. two years or something because it was a failed even though she said yes it was a failed proposal by any other account you know and so there was a little bit of embarrassment probably around it and like not it not going how I wanted it to go and how I was hoping it would go and then I think it was during

I started working on it during the quarantine um where it was kind of like well I mean what do I have the world could be ending. What do I have to be embarrassed about? Like, you just tell your stories. I'm so glad you did. It was hilarious. It was really good. Yes.

So I just started, I just started working on it with the bare bones. And the beauty of touring is that every time you do a show, you add to it, add to it, add to it until it became what it is. And the fun thing about this special, and I did the same with sweet and salty is after it comes out, I'll start posting various pictures. of these things that I talk about. And people are always like, oh, my God, I can't believe that was real. I thought you made it up. It sounded too crazy to be real. And I go, no, here.

And I can do that with all the stories. And it's so fun to have that. What about the Mamoa? What about the Mamoa story? Very true, too. Yeah. That was also during quarantine. Because I looked up as soon as you told the story,

I looked up his picture on the side of the road. And I was like, in the fact that you liked. it was even better. He posted their picture, because I went back recently to look at that weekend because I was like, I know it was like July of 2020. It was kind of like we were in quarantine, but people were starting to do outdoorsy things.

Yeah. And I, because I remember the time he posted him on the side of the road on Instagram. Yeah. For those of you who don't know what we're talking about, I passed by a car, a big van broken down on the side of the freeway. And it was Jason Mamoa and he was shirtless.

And I was impressed with being a lesbian that I even recognized him. But that's how beautiful he is. He is a specimen. He is a specimen. And I go to my wife ago, I'm pretty sure that was Jason Mamoa. That was hilarious. I think my... You're good.

I got you. I think my internet was cutting off for a little bit. But yeah, it was a very true story of passing by him. And it being like, that's the like, to me it was so. funny because he's like the fantasy for every straight woman I know like who who had like I feel like they would all have this fantasy of him shirtless stranded in the desert and I just kept dropping and it sounds so cold it sounds so cold when I tell the story but the reality of it is he was you know had a whole group of people with him there was like two vans they had like they had like they

had a trailer of the dirt bikes or whatever you call it. He was fine. That's so good. That was great. You guys really need to check out the special, by the way. It's good fortune. It's on Netflix now. You can check it out.

It's really good. And as I said, a lot of relatable stuff there. And before I let you go, fortunately, I do want to also, you know, as I mentioned, you had done a lot of Netflix movie, isn't some Netflix movies also. And you worked with Jenny Ortega. who's blowing up right now. I know. I was just thinking about that.

I did this movie yesterday with her and Jennifer Garner. I got to know her a little bit, not super well because I only did like four days on the movie. But I just remember like, oh, she's just so sweet and down to earth. She seems like she comes from a cool family that really cares about her. And she just seemed to really have her head on her shoulders.

And that's like right when like she was starting to get more and more stuff, I'm like, this girl is going to blow up and she certainly is. It's a full of see. So, Wednesday and everything that she's doing. So that's, that's, that's,

that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, I'm glad to hear that as well. And then the other thing I wanted to ask you about is that I have a lot of, uh, fans and, and, oh yeah. And, you know, you, that, you, you, you, you had a voice there.

What, what, what, what was your experience, um, because you were, you were, you were counselor Jerry. Yeah, I was what, there was like six of us that were counselor jerry. It was a very small part. But listen, as I've learned from that experience, I will do anything, any part in a Pixar movie. It was one of the coolest experiences I've ever had. And even when you're like, I'm this tiny part. And they treated me like I was the star of the movie.

I love that. And I was like, I would be shocked. Every time, like, they invited me first off to, to record up at the studios, which I was like, uh, yes, please.

I mean, yes. Yeah. And I had lunch with Pete Doctor who directed it and directed tons of the movies and, uh, the writer, Kim Powers and,

and then I went. So we're just, I'm like, again, the tiniest part and we're, and I'm having lunch with these guys. And then I go record. Um,

and then they take me on this, the, uh, they take me on a tour of, the whole campus and I get to see these animator booths. They like give me presents for my nephews. I mean, it was incredible. And then obviously it was supposed to have this huge theatrical release and came out during

the pandemic. But they were like the producer, Dana was amazing. And Pete would like email me to let me know what was going on. I'm like, you guys don't have to let me know anything. But this is so cool. That's a good relationship to have as well, too. I mean, that's awesome. Amazing.

And Dana came to one of my stand-up shows in New York. I just felt like, and then we did Donnell and I did like a fun thing for them during the pandemic for one of the awards they got. And I don't know, they just really make you feel special. And I love that because those movies have such heart. Yeah. So to know that the people that work with, you know, that company also have a heart and or lovely and kind just made me like it was probably one of the highlights of my career so far.

I love hearing that. And then so speaking of that, so you've got the radio show with Tom, you know, and obviously the Netflix relationship, the special that's out now. What else can we be looking out for for you at the moment? Well, I have two things. I'm starting a brand new tour, the Live, Laugh, Love Tour that will start the end of January all new material. I'm writing that act as we speak,

so a lot of new stories. And what's up on my website right now is a very early list of dates. We're going to be doing tons more cities. But the reason why we held off on booking the rest of the tours because I filmed this Netflix series with Arnold Schwarzenegger

that will come out sometime in 23. It's a really, huge action adventure to eight eight I think eight or episodes I'm not sure I can't I can't let you leave now I have to ask you about I know I spent five months in Toronto filming it all summer

how fun was that I filmed my special while I was doing in the thick of the show it was crazy I love oh my god we're waiting to see if we are lucky enough to get to keep doing it okay can you talk about that show at all or not yet i mean all i can say is um because i've been very hush hush about it it's his first ever television series um it's kind of like it's it's not true lies obviously

but it's got that air of it like uh where um he and his daughter are in the CIA and don't know it the other that the other one is in it so it's that whole secret life kind of thing um and it's just one big adventure it's kind of like an act it's like action for sure first and foremost and then a comedic element at times too it's like but it's not like a total comedy does that make sense it's more action forward i will absolutely be watching that 100 so my character is brings a lot of the comedy which is cool yeah um and uh i like the tom arm roll i still get to do action stuff Tom makes an appearance. Oh, cool.

I was. So, yeah, I can say that only because they post about that on Instagram. I won't ask anymore because I don't want to get you in trouble. That's awesome. That's really, that's great to hear because that sounds like a lot of fun. So fun. I mean, we don't know when it's coming out yet. I'm like on the edge of my seat.

Yeah. I, you know, I've never been a part of anything like that. And I did all this action stuff. And it's like people will see me in such. different light than they've ever seen me and I just am so ready for it to come out but it might be a minute I don't know it's those shows take a long time you know it does but see look see that frisbee stuff paid off that's right that's right well it's funny that I just revealed that I'm not butch and in this special and then here I am having to play tough and like shoot weapons and stuff

you're an actor that's all that's right hopefully I pulled it off I'm sure you did um thank you so it was really nice to finally meet you because as I said I wanted to meet you for a long time and I'm and now I have the opportunity to do so and I and once again guys if you have not had the opportunity please go and do it. Good fortune it is on Netflix right now. You really really enjoy it. It's it's it really is a pleasure and it's been a pleasure talking to you and I hope to run into you at the store. I'm going to start I know for sure. Well it's been lovely and I'm so glad we met. Same here and guys thank you for joining me. Appreciate it as always. You know do the Apple podcast. Spotify. anywhere podcasts are found, leave a comment, do the whole thing, and check out Fortune's website as well

and get yourself some tickets. She's going to be in your area you want for a good at. All right. Thank you, everybody. Peace. All right, I wasn't lying. She's absolutely spectacular. What a wonderful, wonderful human being. Go and check out her special right now. Good Fortune on Netflix. You can check it out. You can watch. It's a great watch. So do that. And thank you guys for joining me here today on this very special episode of The Big Thing Tuesday episode. As I mentioned, we're going to have the Avatar Way of Water reaction in just a little bit. I'm going to see that today.

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