The Kristian Harloff Show - BLACK PANTHER 3 Already in the works at Marvel? | MCU | Wakanda Forever | Capes and Cowls

Episode Date: November 11, 2022

Black Panther Wakanda Forever releases this weekend and word on the street is that Black Panther 3 is already in the works as well as a television show for Wakanda Forever. James Gunn says it will be a while before we get a DCU slate. What is the deal with Lobo? Could Momoa play both Aquaman and Lobi? Tom Holland is rumored to have signed a big multi picture deal to play Spiderman again. Boom Studios is back with the comic book portion of our show. Capes and Cowls with Kristian Harloff, Winston A. Marshall and Coy Jandreau returns. Enjoy! #blackpanther #wakandaforever #marvel #mcu #spiderman GET TRADE COFEEE HERE! http://www.drinktrade.com/BIGTHING Watch The Rings of Power on Prime Video and listen to all eight episodes of The Official The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power Podcast for free on Amazon Music. Download the Amazon Music app now! TIME CODES: 00:00 Intro 5:45 James Gunn says it will be some time before a DCU slate is released. 17:00 Jason Momoa talks about Lobo? 24:00 What geek character would you save? 28:10 TRADE COFFEE 30:58 Black Adam Box Office and what if? 43:55 Wakanda Forever news, sequels, tv show news. 54:15 Wondery Presents the Official Lord of the Rings, Rings of Power Podcast 56:00 BOOM STUDIOS PRESENTS 1:05:40 Spiderman lives again? Holland signs big multi deal? 1:09:54 OUTRO OUR MERCH STORE IS LIVE: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/the-big-thing-kh-channel?ref_id=27393 AMAZON WISHLIST: https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/1KPH42T0TP0PG?ref=cm_sw_em_r_un_un_djbxgIW5ZQMMg PATREON: http://www.patreon.com/thebigthingshow SCHMOEDOWN ARCHIVE CHANNEL: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheMovieTriviaSchmoedownArchives Ask Kristian questions for next time! https://facebook.com/harloff Become a Patreon of the Schmoedown: http://patreon.com/schmoedown OTHER GREAT CONTENT: REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT368qY7sfE0nKE4c04CqGvu TV REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT1LU-t2Z9AD5UJDiWW4pS_E STAR WARS SHOW https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT0XmfpbblkF9PY7uO2qhbN6 THE BIG THING PODCAST https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT3KAwbzDsv6mdR-gwUiydQg FOLLOW KRISTIAN + FIND HIM ON CAMEO https://cameo.com/kristianharloff https://twitter.com/kristianharloff https://facebook.com/harloff https://instagram.com/kristianharloff Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Thank you guys so much for joining us here today. Got a lot of stories, man. Tom Holland, looks like he's signing on to more Spider-Man movies and all that jazz. He's not going to be in all that jazz. He should be. He can dance. We're also going to talk about Lobo. Yeah, man.

Not Dupalipa, but Lobo. There's a lot of rumors about him. James Gunn is also talking about that DC slate that we've talked about here and saying, don't expect one soon. Talk about that. a little bit. Zach Snyder commented on whether or what's going on with him and now that his buddy James Gunn is running the shop

and how that could work out. And obviously you got a big movie coming out this weekend, man, and Black Panther Wakanda forever. So we are going to do a full spoiler discussion on that on Monday. But for today, we're just going to kind of preview it. We'll give our predictions of what we think is going to make opening weekend. And then there's some news about it. They're potentially already talking about Black Panther 3.

there's already the series that was rumored for a while that looks like it's getting a little bit more pushed into production and a lot more. We'll find some more stories and things talk about Constantine. I don't know. I always say things up top and sometimes we don't cover it because we get so deep into the conversation with everything else. And obviously we're going to be talking about some stuff with Boom Studios.

We're excited to be working with them. And we're excited that Coy and Winston are here today to talk about all of these things. Ed, make sure that you guys, I have my shirt on that. It's not even on the store yet. It'll be on the store very soon. But you have big thing, capes and cows, the top gun guy. The top gun guy?

Yep, the top gun guy. The top gun guy and a lot of other shirts are up there. But right now, and Winston and Queen, you're not going to like this. Caps and Cals right now is in fifth place at a six shirts. Oh, I thought it was out of three. At a six shirts, we are in fifth place right now. Well, what's a meme? They're not going to beat a meme.

What's, oh, the top gun guy? The top gun guy is only in fourth. Only by a little. We can catch that. Right now, Sith Council is in far lead, far lead right now. It's got lightsabers on it. That's one. Anyway, you got that.

You got the podcast, Apple Podcast, Spotify, anywhere. Podcasts are found. You should make sure you can go and check that out and do that. Please and thank you. And then, yeah, we have so many other things we're going to talk about. We're excited about it today. Let's do it. It is.

Capes and Cal's, everybody. Me, Winston. Koi, everybody that's on this show, obviously. That's why I just said what I said. Okay, cool. Let's do it. Cool. Awesome.

Hit the right button there, baby. Great. Yep, nope, you're killing it. Kill it in it, Christian. Absolutely killing it. I'm tired. Third time's sharp. You're not allowed to make any comments today.

Hey, I have already apologized to your wife. Okay. That's the only person I need to apologize to. Well, no, because I'm the one that's going to stay up all night. Well, we had, so for people who were wondering, we, we, it's dark out. Yeah, it's dark out. We usually tape, we usually tape the show at, uh, on like Thursdays to like 11 a.m. But Winston, Winston had something to do.

It happens. And so we had to move it. And then. Winston got a job. I mean, that's great. It's great. But I was trying to be, I was trying to be so nice. And I was like, okay, here's the thing.

I know, I know that Koi's, he says he's. I was in six minutes of my, of my schedule, though. I was like, here are you texted. I was like, here are you texted. But I was like, I know, I was like, I know, I'm But I knew, like when I said the ETA and then I was all my six minutes, when am I ever within six minutes? No, I'm not, I'm not disputing that. But what I'm saying is that I was, I was like, you know, I could just shoot a show with Winston.

As soon as he gets here, he'll get here, we'll shoot the show. And then we can just jump right into the Black Panther Oconda forever. Spoiler stuff. And I could tell, Coy had texted the other day. He's like, hey, I can make it on my eye. He really wants to. I like the show. I like hanging out.

I'm sorry, I enjoy your company. So in my mind, I'm going, all right. You know what you can do? Like my company. You like that camera. But that's... I'm on camera all the time. I don't get to talk to my voice much.

That's why on my half, I was like, look, if I have to miss an episode, since I'm the one that's asking for the move, y'all can do it, and it's fine. Yeah, but you said something different. But I said that I have to do the Black Panther one. Of course, of course. And I said, but you can get,

you say, I might be able to get here 445. I said, you can get here at 4.30. I know. It doesn't matter. I did get here at 445. You did. Yes. We just weren't going.

so I was apologizing to your wife because you normally help the kids right now. Apologies, apologies. Apologies. What are you going to do? So, nonetheless, we're here for you guys. We're making sure that we're going to do some fun conversations and a lot of fun conversations we had.

And like I said, if you weren't paying attention in the beginning on Monday, this is what we always do on this show. We preview the big movie that's coming out. And then on Monday we're going to do a full spoiler discussion. We've done it for all the big movies. And people are like, well, you guys are going to do a, a rewatch. Well, we did a rewatch for Black Panther,

and it's on Patreon. Because remember, people are like, well, why don't you do them on this channel? You got to remember that when we were doing rewatches, capes and cows didn't exist. Yeah. So in order to make sure we keep both and give it a nice benefit to the patrons, it's over there,

and you can go watch the Black Panther rewatch. But let's get into it. The first thing I wanted to talk to with you guys is, I mean, this is a DC logo, so we can get right into this story. No, it is. DC Studios. James Gunn suggests that we are going to be waiting a long time before we get any smart slate.

Well, I mean, it depends on the answer before we see how great it is, in my opinion. Anyway, DC Studios CEO James Gunn has commented on the possibility of a DCU slate announcement, making it clear that he and Peter Safran have only just started the job, meaning we'll be waiting a while for one. Now, that depends on what a while is, right? So let's see what the article says again from comic book movie. There's a huge amount of excitement to see what DC Studios, CEO, James Gunn, and Peter Safran have in store for the DCU.

For years, the franchise has been somewhat directionless, and every time it does start taking shape, Warner Bros. seems to change tact. The Suicide Squad director has already teased plans to tell the biggest story ever told. Oh. So it feels like we've reached a real turning point, and boy, it sure is long overdue. Understandably, fans are now anxious for any kind of Slate announcement, and Gunn has said that the huge story will be told across the movies,

the TV shows and animation. So we have to believe the studio has finally allowed him to put together a definitive list of projects that won't remain trapped in development, hell, or meet the same fate as Batgirl. Taking to his newly launched Macedon account, Gunn answered a couple of fan questions, including one about a DCU slate reveal.

To that, the filmmaker and executive responded, give us a chance to catch our breath we just got here. He also seemed to debunk reports that the Batman and Joker franchises won't be under his and Saffron's purview, confirming that they're overseeing everything DC-related. In an exciting time for the new DCU, though, with a few movies from the old regime still on the way, which is Shazam Fury of the Gods, the Flash, Blue Beetle, and Aquaman in the Lost Kingdom, we won't be shocked if the new slate isn't announced until Comic-Con, which is what we were saying.

Yes. However, with some of those titles bound to be released in 2024, news may start to head out sooner than that. There's already chatter about a Manistil sequel, so don't be surprised if it's among the first few projects announced by Gun and Saffron. For now, though, we'll have to wait and see. Okay, so this is pretty much kind of, I think, anyway, where we were and what we were talking to talked about. So, you know, Winston, let me start with you. So we get this announcement that he comes out and he's always been really good with addressing the public and people who are excited about, in general, any of his projects.

So he comes out and he's just like, we're just getting started. But the idea that it's comic, that it's the animation, that it's TV, that it's movies, and they have, and they're putting together a plan, it seems like pretty good news. Absolutely. I mean, it is very clear from Gunn that, because we've seen it with the movies he did with Guardians, obviously in the suicide squad, that he is, him and Saffron are comic book fans just like Faggy. This matters to them. It's not just like some super high-powered job.

Like sometimes I get the feeling from Kathleen Kennedy. I don't know her personally, that it's a high-powered job and not a passion for her. And there's no talk of a slate like this. a plan like this. Right. It genuinely feels that like she has one of the most powerful jobs in Hollywood, but it's not like you guys have to understand why the Jedi Council is so important to me and why the bounty hunters are so important to me.

Whereas for James, it seems very, very clear that this is important and same with Safran. So I think... These are fans with a plan. Exactly. And so I think knowing you have stuff to roll out so you don't have a bullet, like a gun to your head being like,

you need to do something. You have runway. let them go and see what they're working with, the things that they want to address, and then take that time since you have that already built up to give you that cushion. I think not only does this show that they have a plan that was probably part of their pitch to become these jobs,

but also that if they're announcing seemingly animation, TV, film, that they've got a slate that's so big, they need to make sure everything's teased and eyes. like, you know, your crush, your teeth, dot your eyes, before they announce it because it could be like a five-year plan. They could, they could show a slate that's so deep because if they're already going, like, these are going to be connected, they might have one giant story that they're going to tell it once.

They might give us a, hey, trust us. We know you've been insecure about our universe. Here's everything for five years. Like, they might double down and do like, here's a whole phase, which isn't usually like, remember, we didn't start that way with marble. Like, it didn't begin that way. But they know they've got catching up to do in the eyes of the fans. And James Gunn's, the guy that helped, like,

he was one of the brain trust in phase two and three. So he knows how to curate this thing. So I could easily see like a bigger slate than even Marvel's given us before. Like what Marvel just did at D-23 was like, we got two phases for you, but they're smaller in scale. This could be like, hey, we're going to go this journey with us. Yeah, but it just depends on what I really liked about it

is the fact that these guys are going to go into the war room. They're going to go into the war room and they're going to start talking about what they want to do and how, and like the greatest story they ever told, and I agree with this report. What exactly will happen is there will be a couple of projects that are announced. I think Man of Steel is going to be the first. first one. I think that's the first one that they launched with. I think it's a good way to do it.

I think you launch with a big power player like Superman and Henry Cavill. You get people excited. It's one of your A-listers right away on the DC slate. You build it out. And then you start to create and whatever that story is, you start to tell the greatest story ever told within that. But you sit down, you can see Gun and Safran having these meetings and going, all right. So I just talked about this on Jedi Council again. I'm glad you brought up Star Wars because it was one of those things where What I'd love to see is essentially what they're doing in D.C. In Star Wars, okay, let's not just start throwing around movies to every director that comes in that's hot. Let's figure out what it is in the story we want to tell over the course of five years or six years, whatever it is.

And things will change and things will have a shift here and there. But if we know we have a guideline and then somebody comes in, the example I gave you the other day, Winston was like Ryan Cougar, right? When Cooleer came in and, you know, whenever his initial meeting was after Creed or whatever it was, And they said, hey, this is the way that I assume it went down, something along the lines of, hey, we really want to do a Black Panther movie. We want to know, hey, are you interested in doing something like that? And what, you know, here's the kind of vision that we need to go within the MCU.

How about what do you think? He's like, I would love to do it. A lot to me as a kid, I want to try to do this. Here's what I would bring to it. And they collaborate and then they make it work. But it's within that plan of where they wanted to go. And then obviously, Cougar put his voice and his stamp on it. And that's something that's completely lost in Star Wars.

but I think that D.C. has a real opportunity to do that. What you have to do, you know, I was a theater kid growing up and in college, and so a tech theater, all that kind of stuff. Biggest thing I always drilled home was measure twice cut once. You do not want to go, we're going to reboot the justice. Like, all right, go. If you do that, you're going to do the exact same thing that this company just did and you're going to rush and barrel into it.

And then you're going to have too many pieces that don't necessarily fit and then it doesn't work. On top of the fact that you tried to force a whole universe instead of developing this area and this area, when you're working on like a house, you put the foundation in and then you're like, let's take care of this wing. Then we take care of this wing. Then we take care of this wing. And then we bring it all together.

And I appreciate the fact that they're going to sit and look and go, again, what do we want? What are the fans want? and then how are we going to attack this? Instead of just like, well, we started the job. Okay, go ahead. Greenlight, Batman, green light, another Wonder Woman, green light, all this stuff without knowing, right?

I do not think the sequel to Superman this time I'll have Batman in it. That's exactly. I hope not. Do you know what I mean? Like, they're not going like, okay, the third movie is Justice League. And that's great because they've got a plan clearly.

And our next bit of news, I think ties directly into that. I do think the fact that there's a certain like phone call that seems to have happened on the 8th of November with a very deep cut character, which I said to be perfect for that actor. I feel like they're already starting to make those calls. Like the call you just said about Ryan Coogler, I think is happening right now.

All right. So there's a lot. And you're talking about a little bit, right? Yep. So, right, let's just get, we'll get into that then when it comes to...

You miss your buttons. I know. Well, it's the whole thing that's screwed up. Oh, so I finally was able to help him figure out how to get it back to list mode. Yeah.

And so now it's, now it's, no, it's at the top. It's at the top. You moved it to the top. Remember? Because you were like,

oh, yeah. You said it would be easier that way It was, but there it was. Hey. It was a painting, yeah. I had some guy yesterday, like, says, the funny thing is somebody goes, you're missing up these shots.

You should have somebody else do it. And I said, you're banned from the chat. That's it. Oh, it's forever. There are ways to talk to people. Christian just went full Elon Musk. He was going to come from me. I've been Elon Musk before Elon Musk was in it.

I'll tell you what. No, I said it, it is your store. It is your store. Your store, if somebody comes out with their balls hanging out of your store, you can say, put your pants back on and get out. It's like if someone who said, hey, same guy says, hey, I notice it's a little tricky for you because you're hosting and everything too. It's like, would it be helpful to you to get someone else? I go, I don't have the conversation. Honey and Vinegar, man.

Then I have the conversation. I go, no, you know, it's, I'm learning and I'm still, there's a couple things that I got to iron out the things, but I appreciate it. And I don't throw that guy out. You're terrible. I'm like, you don't have a voice here anymore. Dude. You're gone now. All the people that find this show on watchbooks I'm on it,

feel free to unwatch. It is honey and vinegar. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar. And if you come at somebody cross, expect to get slapped. But even that, I don't need everyone to agree with you. I don't need everyone to like you.

I need everyone to talk to you with respect. Like, you say to something sometimes, I don't agree with it all. Same. But we respect to them. We have the conversation. And that's why the show works. And it's the same reason why,

and I will say majority of the audience, especially this audience, does do that. And I love seeing this stuff because sometimes you get a little salty and you'll go after them in the comments. I'm like, hey, wait, wait. And you keep the beach side.

I respect. Because sometimes you go after them and I'm like, they're just talking to you. And it happens. But it's our instinct. But yeah, I'm learning. Look, from what I was in S-E-N compared to now? Man, bro, he used to go hard in the paint. Oh, yeah.

You're talking about the producers part of it? Or you're talking about going at people? I know. Both. Both have accelerated. That part going after people. I left that way in the past. I'm talking about more so.

Yes, no, you are way more advanced now. Yeah. And especially with the stream deck. It is advanced you so much. Majorly. But, all right, let's go now and let's get into what Koi's talking about here. And so there was a lot, there's a lot of Lobo news. We talked about this two weeks ago.

Like, I don't remember which show it was. It was either two or three weeks ago. We talked about who. It was here. It was here. And I was saying, Mamoa should be Lobo. And here we are. Yeah, but there was also.

Who should be Lobo? Mamoa. How is Mamoa going to be Aquaman? Oh, you haven't heard this. No, I have not heard this report. Let's get to the report. I've been a job training, man. No, no, good, good.

It's exciting. It's happening on Aquaman star Jason Mamoa has commented on his new, on, on new DCU co-head James Gunn recent Lobo post and his own tease of an upcoming dream project. Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom star Jason Mamoa recently sent speculation into overdrive when he revealed that one of his dream projects was now in development under the watch of the new DCU co-heads James Gun and Peter Safran. the C actor who also posted a separate video excitedly teasing another mysterious gig while thanking Mastro for the opportunity. Mamoa is a huge fan of DC Comics anti-hero Lobo and Gunn added fuel to the fire last night

by making his first mastodon post of an image of the main man. Are these stories connected? Comicbook.com asked Molo that very question and his surprise might be very telling indeed. So I guess this is a conversation. I think I can play this. audio actually so I'll play this audio they asked him you should have it

you mentioned your dream with James Gunn and Peter Safran I saw James post Lobo are those two did he really he posted a photo of Lobo he posted a photo of Lobo on mastodon to say I'm on this app too with a tease of Lobo is your statement in his post connected at all huh fair enough well everyone knows I have a comic fan

and so the comic that I collect the most and I have every comic there is you can do your search and find out what it is. I guess so it was Lobo. So, and then could MoMA take, and this is the correct question, I'm sure that Winston was going to pose that everybody is going to pose is, could Mamoa take on the roles of both Aquaman and Lobo in the DCU?

It might seem unlikely. Oh, Gemma Chan was Minerva. I completely forgot. But it wouldn't be the first time an actor played two different comic book characters, even within the same universe. Winston read ahead and said, Emma Chan portrayed Minerva in Captain Marvel and Circe in Eternals. So Mamosa also addressed his maestro tease in a separate interview with Cinema Blend,

indicating he wasn't referring to a DCU project at all. No, no, no, no, you have to dig deeper. It's the Holy Grail and it's different than the DC thing. So is he playing in Koya? I don't know. Cun? Cun? Sure.

Gun and Saffron. Almost got into a lot of trouble, but I didn't say anything. It was too bad. Gun and Saffron only started in their new positions at DC Studios last week. So it'll probably be a while before any official announcements, yada, yada, yada. All right. So there's a lot to unpack here. Did you see the video that he,

Mamoa made a video saying like, man, and that's, I think his dream thing. The eighth of this phone call, this is the thing. But I do think that there is an opportunity for characters that are better suited for the actors in this reboot because of the Flash movie.

I do think that like we do have the Aquaman movie coming out after. But I've also heard like, I've heard rumor Ben Affleck pops up in multiple projects. I don't know if they're going to do multiverse. I don't know if they're going to do Earth 1 and Earth 2. But I do it. I think Jason Mamoa is a huge fan of a character that he's born to play. Like,

Mamoa as Lobo is Ryan Reynolds' Deadpool. I mean, it looks like him. It's the character. I was literally just trying to go through my head if there's anybody else in... Batista? Batista's up there, honestly. But I just don't think Batista, like, Batista said it about Drax. It's not that he's tired of the character, Drax.

He's like, I'm tired of being this big. Like, he's like, I'm, he's going to stay in shape. He ain't tired of working with James Gunn, though. And I know that. That I know, too. But he said it himself. He's like, By the time this movie comes out, he'll be, what, almost 60?

Yeah. He's like, he'll be like 57, 58, something like that. Hey, Siri, how old is Dave Patista? Dave Batista is 53 years old. 53, yeah. Okay, so he'll be 54. So, so, so, but that's still. When the movie comes out, I'm like 56, probably.

No, no, no, no. Guardian, Surrey. Oh, Guardians 3. He'll be, he'll be halfway through his 50s. And so, like, the idea of then Lobo would be out two, three years later. Right. That's, you don't start a franchise where you got to be shirtless all this. time. Absolutely. I agree with that. I agree with that 100%. I think that Mamoa is probably closer

to 40, if you were to guess, but it's, it's just the, it's the question that everyone else has. It's like, Aquaman and Lobo in the same universe. Yeah. You know, it's like, so it's, I think Gunn wants a comic act here in Aquaman. Dude, you think you think, I think Gunn wants to make a cleaner justice league. So you think they're going to, so what do you think they're going to recast and do a multiverse? Like, where the more, I think they're going to, blondeish, uh, yeah, and more, and more like, wholesome. If they're going to make Henry Cavill the wholesome, Superman they've been talking about that Cavill's been saying everybody else has been saying. I think the Justice League is going to be the comic book Justice League.

And I like Jason Mamoa as a human. And I think he's an incredible actor. I think the way he plays Aquaman is his Aquaman, which doesn't necessarily fit the Justice League of that flavor. I don't know. Lomo does. Hold on because like the Justice League cartoon Aquaman is the my hands cut off, Haza.

Like I will murder you, Aquaman. But they haven't even done that, really. I don't know. I get that. I know that that's not. Mamoa is almost too cool for school instead of like, I'll kill you. Right.

But it's still kind of in the flavor of just like, I'm not playing games. But that is a way to do it, though, if you're going to do it that way, with Koi's saying, if you decided that you wanted to recast and do the Aquaman more proper, you could do it through Earth 1 Earth, you could do that. That's part one. But then what you also are doing for the people who are going to go, well, wait a minute you're just getting rid of Jason Mamo? We're not getting rid of Jason Mamo.

Just giving him what he wants. He's going to play a favorite character. Give him what he wants. He's just going to be in a different character. Then they go, oh, okay. That would be, for a lot of people who are going, yeah, but he's not going anywhere. Oh, okay.

And give him an R-rated lobo. You know who would have been perfect for Lobo, but he is infinitely too old. Damn you mean. Stone Cold Steve Austin, dude. If you got him in his prime, he would have crushed that. The best actor, though.

No, no. Energy-wise. I don't know, but energy-wise, he is right up the Lobo alley. He's got the feel for it. Yeah. But he's not a terrible actor, but he's just not a lot of range. I mean, that Moa has so much.

Also, not that Lobo has a lot of range. Lobo is just a... I know, but Moa has something that... Look, to not say, Steve Austin had tons of charisma. There's no doubt about it, but there's a different type of charisma that Mamoa carries. He's captivated. He's got that movie starting, like, intrigue about him. I know what you're saying.

But there's a certain tone. One of the best eras of wrestling was the Rock versus Stone Cold. He's like, you know, so here's... Lobo versus Black Adam. It's funny you say that, too, because... They have, you know, that young rock show, which I have watched. And I like it. Yeah, my buddy's in it.

Adam Ray, he plays Vincent McMahon. Oh, cool. And he, but anyway, so I had watched it. And my daughter really liked it. We just, and we fell off of it. Not for any reason, except we just fell off of it. But I saw a picture the other day, and they're starting to get into that era of Stone Cold Steve Austin and when he was the King of the Ring and all that.

And the guy that they got to play Steve Austin looks just like him. And I knew, just from the picture, I knew what it was. was from the king of the ring and it was Michael P.S. Hayes and Stone Cold. And I was like, that looks for a second. I thought it was the actual shot. And I was like, so that actually made me want to tune back in. But that's, oh, I just set myself in the head. But that's, uh, that, that's, uh, that's, uh, that's, right. I love it. And it's also cool for you to revisit your history with your daughter. Like, that's a really special thing. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we're doing, you know, moving into, staying into this topics where, we're, we're in the MCU. We're headed into

Dr. Schen. She loved homecoming. Yeah. Nice. Good. It's such a fun movie. She loved. Oh, because it was, it was, it was the most, you know, closest to her age. I mean, she's going to be 11. So, like, she's, 15, 16. So he's supposed to be 15. 15 in the movie. So, so she's like, you know, she related to, she, she loves Zendaya. Also, Prima's Marvel. That's the youngest skewing audience.

Like that, like, as far as like the way they made the movie, it's that fun, youthful spirit. It's so funny. I mentioned this couple times. We shouldn't get into the whole, um, debate about it now because it's, with you guys, we'll be here for six years when, when you hear about the, when you hear about what the topic is, Ammoner Moses has to, as a show that we're oh no i heard about it i did a couple of the the episodes leading up to you guys did the finale the finale so it was myself sam levine brett uh roka ellis and omarou and it was the characters that you'd rank basically so quite how the show works is you you

you can only keep one in your list then the second one that you almost kept but has to go as number two uh has to three and then four is the last one out and it was between it's called one's got Stay. Yeah. Got it. It's Indiana Jones, Batman, Spider-Man, and Obi-Wan. Oh, that's brutal. I know who you're taking the reason why you're taking.

100% one and two are picked. Right. But so, and I'm just going to get back. I'm so curious because I haven't watched the episode yet, but you can spoil it. It's fine. Who ended up staying? For me, for everybody had different lists. I was the only per, like, so Ellis and I had the same list mostly.

Okay. I was the only person. I had Batman originally at number one. Yeah. And at the last minute, I changed it to Indiana Jones. Interesting. I figured you would have said Canobi. Yeah, I would not have gone there.

Canobi, if you switch Canobi, if you turned Canobi into Quigon Jin, and you rewrote that role and make a quigon gin with a couple maneuvers here and there, you don't really miss them because you can take a lot of his story bits and it's the same thing. Spider-Man was number four. Wow. And I'll tell you what. That's he brought to me the old heads. That's what that is.

No, no. I love Spider-Man. The reason, and I think he's great. The thing is, with the addition of all the new, the younger Avengers coming in, he has served his part in the MCU moving forward, and there's so many superheroes right now, and there's so many people with Ms. Marvel and all these people inside the teenage era that I don't necessarily miss having him.

And I've seen so many of his movies. Yeah, I understand, but the way that the show was always pitched to me when I did it was that it was you, Keep one and then the remainder, all of their works are gone. It's not just this era. It's just all of it. And so if I was, I did the list in my head and I was mad that I'm going to invite me, but I understand that's a powerhouse of people.

I would have gone, Batman, Spider-Man, Obi-One, Indiana Jones. Yeah, see, but that's the thing. That's where everybody was, but that, on a geek show with comic book movies all over the place, of course, Indies going to hit the, my point of the indie was this. He's the only one of that entire list that is. is in his own genre. Every single, like Batman, I love Batman, but you got Tony Stark, you know, you have those movies,

you have people that are similar, and you have darker movies like that in the superhero realm. You've got, like, again, Spider-Man is a dime a dozen right now, and Indiana Jones is the only one who has his own franchise and his own thing. Here's the only thing I would say about that, because you're right, we could talk about this forever. So one, I'm sure he explained to you that he broke it up into,

there's like the adventurer, there's like the space people, there's the comic books and then I don't remember what the last one was and then that it was a bracket and the bracket came together and it's just these that's the end of it um so you have that but then also just from the standpoint of you saying that about indiana jones maybe as far as movies go and i know uncharted didn't do well but as far as just adventurers i'm taking both nathan drake or laurcroft before him yeah but he's that but they weren't in the list no i know that because that because that's just what you had i understand what you're saying but if you're saying miss marvel counts to the spider man standing like that kind of thing where young

superheroes are true but I wouldn't take Nathan Drake over Indiana Jones so there's in no in no world would I would I do that you haven't seen all of them I haven't seen any of them right so you can't say that so maybe this bias is because you haven't observed Indiana Jones yet I was going to remember that yeah I remember you're going to forget I thought I was going to get by so you just lost I would get I would get flamed oh yeah I don't get flamed I'll tell you what coy it's amazing how coy always has energy even at this time of night and for me I I don't have it but I had it today. Yes.

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Garrett. All right. Oh my God. I've got a massive movie coming out here this weekend, guys. Massive. Real quick, before we start this, what was the final box office for Black Adam? I know it's still in theaters, but like where is it at sitting out of now?

That's a great conversation to have. I mean, look, Let's, I will bring up, at the moment I'm going to bring, I'll bring up where, it's not final yet because we still. Of course, it's still in theaters, but I'm just curious, it's, it's, it's, it's certainly going to slow a lot more with Black Panther. Yeah, we're having a, I mean, a major debate in the comment section about people who are saying it's going to, it's, it's not going to make its money back because it needs to make all this and it needs to make that. I think people forget about, you know, digital sales and other things, too, that just, and besides just box office. But right now, the movie has made $326 million. worldwide.

It was like two something. It, so four? Well, so you figure with the, it costs around 200 to make, something like that close to it. Give or take. I don't know what they said is you needed to make close to four, 400 in order to break even.

That's what they're saying. But I think with digital sales and everything else too, I think it'll catch back. I think it'll catch back. I don't think it's ultimately going to make a profit, but I think it'll, I think it'll, it won't be a loss, but that's a rough, because I mean, the people are concerned,

he, was saying this is the launching point for where you were going and that's that's rough. I don't understand why they would spend $200 million in the movie. I think The Rock, I think, I think they saw the most, you know, electrifying man in entertainment and they saw superhero movies doing well and they went, he's dedicated to this character. How many 200 million dollars come out in October? That was the weird part to me. The release date was weirder than the choice to me.

The only ones that have, you got to make it to like November, December. And because then that's both Oscar buzz time, but that's also the last hurrah, like Star Wars took over December. And then, you know, Disney doubled down and started putting Marvel movies in December as well. I think they saw partially Sony, I know. I think they saw the schedule like nothing's out there. But there's, like, there's a reason.

There's nothing there. I'd like to have that conversation, like to wonder like why, like, was it a pandemic? No, not really. Maybe initially when they were shooting it, they thought that summer movies wouldn't be as, people wouldn't be back in theaters yet because Omicron also. I don't know. What else dropped for Warner's this summer?

Because part of the issue, remember, is the fact that they had super pets come out before Blackout. Why would they do that? It's like August. Is it just because kids are for? Maybe that's it. I mean, I guess the other part was it's not that kids didn't necessarily go see Black Adam, but little kids would go see Super Pets. And usually those movies are super bankable and that one didn't do as well either. No, I don't know.

It was fun, man. I like Super Pets. I like Super Pets as well. I watched again with my little one. It's a lot of fun. And like it's a good family movie. Like adults laugh and kids get the little jokes. So here's the funny thing.

This is going to be a hot take because you guys are not going to agree with me at all. Now, maybe you will. I don't know. What do I think the better movie is between Shung Chi and Black Adam Shung Chi? 100%. Absolutely. As far as better, maybe. What did I like way more?

Black Adam. Wow. Shung Chi to me, I feel, is one of the more overrated movies that you guys have talked about so far. Because you got a lot of the Shung Chi. I saw it late. Okay. After all the hype, I thought it was a great first two acts. I thought the third act became a different movie entirely and it just became like an

animated film. But that has been something that has plagued the MCU a lot. To the point of being referenced to Shield. Right. They do so good acts one and two. It's a better written movie. It's a better written movie. It's a different movie.

So anybody's saying, you're crazy. I had more fun watching Black Adam than I did, Shang-chi. I'm not going to tell you, again, better directed, Sheng Chih, better written, Shengchi, better acted, Shruchy. Everything that you throw at me, I'm going to, I'm going to M&M you right now, eight miles. Everything that you throw at me, you're right, but I'm telling you, I had more fun watching. It's the same argument we had doing the rewatch for those that are the OGs on that. I said that about some of the Batman films where I was like, look, I know Batman Forever is the worst of the actual made films, but this has something to me as a kid that this is taking, even Batman and Robin was

kind of up there because I just as a kid. I just liked watching Black Adam. I think if we do that year in ranking, we should do a best and favorites. Like they should be two separate lists. Like we should acknowledge, if we do what our best movies of 2022 were in superheroes,

favorite. They should be separate because they are different. They're way different. I mean, or just, or you just basically just establish that it's how you rank. My experience. Because there's nobody,

there's nobody that's going to tell me, well, you're wrong because Shung Chi is a better movie. Oh, no, they will tell you that. But I don't you. They're not. But that's the whole point.

I know it's a better movie. Yeah. But I liked, I liked watching Black Adam better. And I think I also saw it way after all you guys did. Sure. All the hype was through the roof on and I said, this is a good movie.

I definitely have that with movies. Like I better. I also didn't see in the theater. Sure. And that's huge. That is a spectacle film. Like that's a huge experience. And especially that one.

Absolutely. Like the Irishman in Fast Five. Fast Five, I had a better time watching. I will. The Irishman. That's different. Well, no, no, no, no, no, no. Well, hold on, hold on.

Fast five. Fast five. Fast five. It's actually good. And then the Irishman sure came out. We. He's with me here. You're both great. He's with me on the side.

Well, hold on. It is as far as the story. The directing and the directing, but like I couldn't get over them attempting to pretend like they're in their 20s and 30s. And they're like 70. The De Niro. The De Niro. 20 year old stop. That.

I was 15 years. So while everything else, it is very interesting, depending on what takes you out of a film, how it could mess with you. Sure, but that's, but that, but that's a fun time. Those are two different genres. I'm playing in the same genre. Okay. The departed over the Irishman. Okay.

Well, yeah. Absolutely. Way more fun. Way or say. You could say the Irishman is better than. No, no, no. I'm saying that departed. No, no.

That's what I'm saying. But that's at least oranges and oranges. So it's like, but I would argue. His point is if it was, if he was like, you know what, out of the two of them, I liked Irishman better. But that's what I'm asking. I was like, I don't know if that metaphor works because obviously we all agree that a part of the Irish. Okay.

Yeah. What's a, what's a, we all know the same point. Godfather three over one. Whoa. That's a good example. I would do the same thing I did today. I'd grow up by your pants. You're not looking at the channel anymore.

Godfather three over one. Not me, bro. Not me. I'm just saying that would be a good metaphor. But either way, either way. So, I mean, Black Adam is nonetheless. And I think that it also probably, they were. I don't think it's a coincidence that once they started tracking,

because if Black Adam made a billion dollars. Yeah. Do you think James Gunn and Saffron would be announced as the heads? Yes. I don't know. Not that soon. No, no. I think they would.

And I think their first order of business would be, you've got Batman 2, you've got Joker 2, you're getting Black Adam 2. That would have been the opening salvo. I think they would have waited about a month. I think so too, because I think the Rock would be taking very different meetings because the Rock wanted to be, was making a, making a move to try to be one of the guys that was making the decisions.

See, I feel like the Rock wouldn't be, I don't think he'd want that position to that level, but I do think they'd wait to have the conversation so that had room to breathe. He wanted, he said it openly. He wanted to be like a consultant. Then he's not a consultant on DC right now. There's no way James gone and sat. They'll probably, they'll take meetings with him, but he's not going to be as heavy into it and driving the narrative the way that he wanted to.

If that movie made a billion dollars, he sure would have a stronger voice. That's more so. Did I, do I think that he would have been running DC? Of course not. But do I think that he would have had a much stronger voice if his movie made a billion dollars? He says, hey, people want to see my version where I'm going. So I don't care you guys.

They wouldn't announce it right away. I just can't imagine that it would have made, even with the Rock, I can't imagine it would have made a billion because even if you make the argument with like, no chance would have made a billion. Because like even with the argument you would make about like Captain Marvel, for example, who is like a well-known of enough character to everybody, but it's still fringe.

Yeah, she's definitely not. It was building towards end game. It was a female superhero, so you had a situation where obviously you're going to draw a much larger crowd of women to go and see this if they aren't already seeing it and whatnot. So there's a lot of factors at play that allows that to hit the billion dollar marker. Sure. This character was too far off that I genuinely had multiple. Who the hell is a black Adam? Yeah, I remember you telling me that.

But yeah, that's, that's, and just it was Dwayne Johnson that got them in the theater. Right. He made 300 of that 326. Absolutely. He made his money that he deserved. Yeah. He was the reason that anybody knew. I think that's why I got greenlit.

Like, I'd say he's 95%. He's trying to get a greenlet since 2007. Yeah. So the fact that he finally got it done in this time, I mean, it's an accomplishment. And his opening weekend, I think it was like his strongest opening weekend of any of his movies. And it was number one for like seven countries and for like two weeks. Even though we all know because it's a lower character as far as lower known, I should say, lower known character.

We all knew there's no chance that movie's making a billion dollars. I don't think he knew that because I don't think you make a movie. for $200 million with a $400 million have to make profit without thinking this movie's going to make at least six or seven. Yeah. Otherwise, why do you make the movie? Right.

But I guess that's the thing that's so wild to me is like, it's not a bad movie, but it's not a fun movie. But it's not a, it's a generic movie. You've seen it a million times and it feels like a late 90s movie. I loved that. Sure.

But it's not something that's going to drive people to the theater all the time. I guess my other question is, what movies are just, This is just fun. Make a billion dollars. Jurassic World Fast and the Furious. Exactly. It depends on which Fast and the Fury is you're talking about.

Last three. They all made a billion? Close to it. They're all mad. But if we remember, it does dwell here. It kills in Asia. That's the thing. It crushes.

But it's because the movie star power and every. Oh, cars too. But like it's, but, but Jurassic World, that one still baffles me. The very first one, the very first one, I get it because of the nostalgia. Last movie, that piece of garbage. The last two movies made over a billion dollars. No, they didn't.

Yes, man. Just box office are also like DVD. No, no, box office. They made a bill. Why? They made a billion with a bee. Dinosaurs. They're great.

Oh, my God. The Rock needs to do a dinosaur movie. Wait, wait, during the center of the earth. He did. You did, bro. And Rampage. Yeah. And there was another one that he did.

My brain's out working. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. I just, so frazzled by the billion Jurassic Park. Yeah. What do you think the Rock's best movie is, Winston? Ever? It doesn't matter what you think.

You really wanted to do that, huh? Had to do it. I hope that was happening to the point of leaving that. Oh, shut your mouth, your thong wearing fatty. That's probably my favorite thing he ever said was to Rikishi. Yeah. I did it for the rock. Oh, shut your mouth, your thong, wearing fatty.

And even when he said it, he looked, and he did the impression of Rikishi. She's like, I did it for the rock. I did it for the people. Coy's like, what are you talking? I did it. I did the, oh, shut your mouth,

your thong wearing fatty. Yeah. Anyway. Painting Gaines is a great answer. I'm just going to drink a glass of milk. Let's go back. See, I don't love Painting Game.

Really? Not, I think it's one of Michael Bay's better made movies. Yeah. I have a sim. I don't like the way Michael Bay Bay pretty much just disregarded all the personal pain of the people that that's totally fair.

First Rock Jumanji. Great movie. That's his best movie. What's yours? Best movie that he, he's acted in probably fast or what's the other one

that he did? Snitch, is that what was it called? A snitch is solid. Those are the best like as far as acted goes. I mean, his best line maybe in a movie is the one where he actually broke ludicrous when he walked in the Fast of the Furious movie goes, hey, where's all the baby

he's like, oh hey, I had your baby oil. He goes, I'll hide you ugly or some shit. He said, no, better have that big ass forehead. Yeah, that's what that. It's like on. It's shattered. Just improv. Yeah.

And those spit out like, yeah, it's gold. Anyway. And walking tall is great too. That O.G. With the two by four. That's when he first started kind of getting into it anyway.

So this is a rock talk. Rock talk. But we have a couple things we got to get to. Black Panther. I got to get to Black Panther. And then we'll switch over to, um, perfect. This is something to that.

Black Panther, man. His movie's coming out. And I guess there's so much news to talk about with it. But I think, the first thing we should talk about here is the, we already had, it began an international box office rollout and had a $10 million opening day. Marvel Studios Black Panther sequel began its international rollout.

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According to deadline, Ryan Cougar's emotionally charged sequel took in 10.1 from 17 international markets, including France, Germany, Italy, and Korea. In like for likes, these numbers put Wakanda forever ahead of D.C.'s Black Adam and the Batman, but below the first Black Panther and the most recent MCU movie, Thor Love and Thunder. As things stand, Black Panther is expected to take it an upwards of 365 globally over the course of its opening weekend. The review embargo lifted, it's at 84%. Santa ron tomatoes. All right.

So that's part one. So we'll talk about that in just a second. And then I want to get to the other news about how there's potentially, there's even more. BP3. Yeah, there's Black Panther stuff. There's the one that I want to talk about here is Black Panther, the TV show eventually was supposed to come out and everything.

That's coming to the sequel and all of that, yeah. The one thing I will say while you're looking for that that has been driving me crazy, I need Marvel to stop releasing so many trailers that you are essentially giving away so much of these movies before they come out. But it's gotten exceptionally worse in this phase for some reason. Like after Endgame, they gave us just enough of a tease,

but you never really knew what was coming. What fascinates me is how spoiler culture has changed just fundamentally. Like there used to be a time, old man yells at Cloud, there was a time where it was two trailers. That's it. Then they added TV spots.

Now it's in order to get these $365 million, opening weekends. You have to bombard people with so much content to keep them so aware and you can't just replay the same content for this culture. And there's actually a movement to people that love spoilers. I got more crap for taking time off Twitter, not because of me needing mental health,

which it helped, but I needed to avoid spoilers. And people said that it's my responsibility to accept spoilers and that it's part of my job and got mad at me for not wanting things spoiled because who cares about spoilers? Clearly I do, but there's a whole culture of people that think I'm being childish. No, it's a movie experience. It's not a trailer.

I'll tell you what they should do. And this is the first studio to do this since you already are shooting a movie anyway and you throw out scenes as is, start, instead of waiting for the DVD, start releasing or shooting an extra scene or two and using that. They did a bit and then they stopped doing it.

Like a member Avengers had like at least 15 minutes that they like played around with between Infinity War and Endgame. Like whole stuff and all that jazz. More of that. Do that because then you're not ruining the rest of the movie that's coming and you're giving people content to get hype. And at least no type.

I agree they were doing that for a long time because Kevin Feige is not a big spoiler. I don't know what shifted. I do worry that with Kevin Feige overseeing as many shows and movies that maybe he's not as involved in the marketing, and I want him to come back to it because I liked his reign of no spoilers. It's important. But you got the story?

Yeah, I got the story. So here it is. This is the story about Black Panther, Wakanda Forever, is set to hit theaters or it's in theaters now, but it sounds like a tentative plan for a follow-up may already be in place in variety's in-depth piece on the Marvel Studio Secret. journey to the screen. Kevin Feigey mentions that he has had conversations with director Ryan Kuhler about potentially helming a third film. It's obviously very early days, but it sounds

like some ideas may have been tossed around. A three-quel being given the go-ahead will likely depend on how this movie fares at the box office, but based on the latest numbers, we'd say Disney and Marvel is most likely to have another mega hit on their hands. The trade also confirms that Kuger is developing a multiple series set within the African Kingdom for Disney Plus via his proximity media production company. A 2021 report. report indicates that one of these shows will serve as an origin story for Denai Guria's How do you say? Denai Guria, okay, or Coyet, excuse me. And although we have heard rumblings about other Wakanda-set projects being in the works, we have no idea which characters

they're going to focus on. A recent rumor claimed that we will see Valentina Allegra DeFontaine mount some kind of war against Wakanda along with her team of Thunderbolts, so perhaps one of these, one or more of these shows will delve into the mounting conflict between the U.S. and African nation. the review embargo for kind of forever listed yesterday. Lifted yesterday and the sequel is at 86, blah, blah, blah, blah. I think that's pretty much. That's just listing cast.

Yes, it's listening cast. All right. So there's a lot there. What we're going to do here is I want to make sure we can get to, boom, we'll miss a couple of stories that we tease up top, but I want to close with this. So there's a lot in here I like. There's some stuff that not necessarily I don't like,

but I wish it would go another way. So I think, Obviously, if you, this, this movie, we all, I assume all three of us like the movie. And we'll talk about it again on Monday, the full deep dive. I do think there should be a third film for sure. I don't want to see Ryan Kugler do it. And I'll tell you why. It's not that I don't think he, he's one of my favorite directors working today.

I want to see him do something else. I think his divorce needs to be lent into doing something else. I think he's everything, what he's lent in so far, what he did, when he did Fruitvale Station, was a very different piece, very personal piece, an amazing emotional piece. Creed, different genre, something that meant a lot, something to him, brought back the franchise, emotional piece meant a lot to him.

Black Panther, meant a lot to him, obviously, had a lot of passion behind it, brought this character to life that he loved as a little kid wrote it. The sequel, dealing with his friend's loss, the colleagues lost, dealing with everything very important, very personal. I'm not saying the third woman wouldn't be personal. It would, but I want to see him move on and do other things.

I like the fact that he's producing. I want to see him produce. I want to see him produce other things. I want to see Ryan. And he's young. He's young. He's still in his early 30s, and he could do a lot of different things for sure.

And if he decides he wants to do a third, but he's also producing Ironheart. He's producing this potentially Wakanda series. The Wakanda series sounds phenomenal, by the way. If they go that route of like the conflict. So after having seen Wakanda forever. After seeing it, I think that's a great idea. I want to see him produced, though.

He's a great producer. I would rather see him direct something else because I want to get some new content from him because there's so many, there's so many times that things come out and you're like, oh, okay, it's fine. But when Ryan Coogler comes out with something, like, oh, the new Cougar movie,

I love that he's gonna, if he's, but Black Panther 3 would take him out for another two or three years. At least, more like three or four, because it'd be doing the movie and then doing the sword and then. So that's my point. I love Ryan Kluger.

Ryan Kluger is in my top five directors right now. And he's about as genuine of a human being that you're ever going to meet. I love them. I love the man. He's my favorite director working right now. I love the man. If you have my top five, like, dream directors to work for,

it's him and Jordan Peel up at the top there. Yeah. I would be fine if he does the third one, but I would say after that be done. And it's one of those things you do the same thing that the Russo's do. It's not that you say goodbye to Marvel forever, but you, no pun intended, but like you walk away from it for a very long time. Right.

Because the other rumor is that... Well, right, he can still produce. He's got that first look deal. But, right. The other thing that the other big rumor with Coogler is that he might helm Secret Wars. So it's kind of one of those things... Because I read that variety article and they were asking him about that and whatnot. He's like, look, I can't talk about Secret Wars.

I can't talk about a third Black Panther. I'm just trying to get the movie that we currently are working on out. He sounded tired. He sounds exhausted. That's my point. Yeah. That's my point. I want to say, like, I just,

want to see what else what are the stories he's going to tell but there's there are other there are other voices out there that could tell a black panther three story and that could really do justice to it i think he i think he's given he's given everything he's had to the franchise i want to see him move on oh you know it would be interesting if you really want to like get a true i don't know what's well the the story maybe is the fact that uh i'm sure you know that uh the black panther like because you have connection to your ancestors uh the black panther actually has the ability to He's the dead. What if you make that third film, an actual horror film,

and let Jordan Peel come in and take over for that last one? I don't think Jordan Peel wants to play in the sandbox that has best one to control. I think Jordan Peel likes to do his own thing with inside of, you know, he's making Jordan Peel movies. Oh, I get that. And that's a hard thing to do in Hollywood, to be able to get to a place to make your, like his movies are like event movies now. Like I didn't love the last one, but it doesn't matter.

It's still at the hype behind it. And how cool is it to be a director that's on their, what third film and to be like oh by the way I've carved out everything like he's he's the guy so what you go please tell us about that story yeah I think that especially after seeing Wakanda forever

it's really exciting to have the idea of Wakanda expand on Disney Plus I'm always worried when you bite off too much from you know one fandom that it could get like even with Wanda vision I was a little worried about Agatha and then I was like you know actually we haven't seen a lot of witchcraft we've seen magic not witchcraft but then after

Wakanda Forever the way this movie without getting anything away at all is able to expand in world that didn't feel like a commercial, that didn't feel like sometimes it's the opposite of a post-credit scene. What this did for world building didn't feel like it was selling me anything. It felt like it was diving deeper, not out. It felt like it was immersed. So now I want more of Wakanda because I feel like I'm so deep in the world.

I want to feel it. Yes, Wakanda part of that. I agree with 100%. I do think there's about 15 minutes of this movie that was doing exactly what you said. They're selling something that didn't need to be in this movie. We'll talk about that on Monday. We'll talk about Monday. But, um, so I'm excited by all this.

I do worry, uh, just as, as someone who really respects Ryan Coogler, um, he's probably my top 10 directors working. I, I, I want people to be able to rest. And I feel like, uh, the older I get, the more I worry about people being pushed into things that are multi-year commitments. No matter how young you are, no matter how old you are, you've done a, a Herculean task for the last seven years. There is a point where like, we have this very dangerous.

We always have to be working mentality. And I feel like, especially in the entertainment industry, there's this undercurrent I'll never work again or this is going to fall apart or there's got to be momentum or it's hot right now. I'm always worried that a creator will either feel like they can't be as creative because they're forced into it or they do anything out of pressure as opposed to want.

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Speaking of the best, boom, baby, boom, it is time. Capes and Cows, boom. Now, Winston, this week, and it was funny. We get the email where Boom sends us some stuff, and they let us know about what they have coming out. And we're pretty pumped because you got this new one coming out, a vicious circle. So we got an early look at it, and it's a very, very excited and upcoming release from Boom. They announced it back in September.

And so we heard about it. We were really looking forward to getting hands on it, and we got it. They sent it. And trust me, this is going to be the book that comic fans are going to be talking about next month. And I can't wait to have Winston. Winston's ready to talk about it. But it's called a vicious circle, and it's a dream. team of artists, Lee Bermasho and Matt Ston Tomlin.

Bermejo. Bermahoeh, thank you. If you ever read Bermahoeh book before, you know why this is special. He's the artist behind comics like Joker and Batman Damned, and he's one of the most iconic arts styles. He's got one of the most iconic art styles in the medium, and I'll tell you right now, that is, I can, as you know that I am the one out of the three of us that is like, I don't notice these things.

It was the first thing that popped right away. I was like, wow, this is just great. gorgeous stuff. It's an incredible team that Boom has assembled, but the book will speak for itself, but I'm going to show you a couple of these images in a second.

Oh, my God, man. The comic is about two rival assassins of the ability to travel through time. You know that I'm on board with that. I've been talking your ears off about dark lately, so this is the right time for me to hit this one. They can't control, though, what period of time that they end up in.

So you're going to see their bloody battle take place across millions of years, and with each time period that they visit, Ramahoe adjusts his artistic style to pay homage to everything from other comic artists to historical master painters. Now, we've got a chance to look at the first issue, and we all, the second we came in here, we're just talking about how special this thing is. Now, the pre-orders for the book end on Monday, so you have to get down to your comic shop soon, and you have to ask them to order it for you.

Trust me, it's going to be the one to read. We've been telling you about it. We have been telling you guys about these comics, and you would love it. I mean, look at this art. The artwork is so beautiful. can't even underscore it like the opening shots because again one as they travel through time the art style changes so the opening art style uh when we first start is so gorgeous and i was like that's kind of crazy it almost looks like a live action comic book i couldn't really put my my like yeah

it's beautiful but but on top of that the story itself so far is right there so this is what i'm talking about. So he's kind of in what seems like maybe the 50-60s because they're talking about ending Jim Crow. And it is just so gripping trying to figure out what these two dudes are doing, these two assassins as it unfolds and whatnot. This dude is like black time-traveling John Wick. Like it's, it is absolutely insane. And I cannot recommend it enough for the love of God. Go pick up this book when it comes out. Tell me about the arc quick. So Lieber Mayo is. one of my favorite paint style artists.

And he did one of my favorite Joker books of all time called Joker. And recently he did a book about Batman where he wrote it as well as illustrated it. And instead of having panels, he did every page was a cover. So he kind of reinvented a style of comic making in making every page the staggering presentation of sight that you're just riveted by.

Love his style. His art is photorealistic as well as having a really interesting texture to it. His Joker book, you can almost smell. His books feel like you're in them. Like his Joker book has this cantankerous rot to it. His Batman book feels like it. It smells like if you go to the gym and someone was bleeding, you get that copper.

It just has this aromatic journey that you go on visually. And then this book, it has multiple art styles all by one artist. So you're getting the photorealism. Then you travel through time and it has psychedelic attributes. You go through this different other world. And then you get more of the almost classic 50s Americana. There's so many different textures he uses

and different mediums. in his art style that allow the writing to really give this pulse. And Matton Tomlin, who's writing the berserker movie, who I've actually talked about on this show before we were even teamed up with Boom, about berserker the movie. Matton Tomlin is one of those writers that invests himself so thoroughly and so completely that you feel his emotion through every line of dialogue. The reason I'm as excited for the berserker movie is not only is it Keanu Reeves

investing in this character so much so that he's got his eye on every page of the comic as he goes through it with the team, but the movie he's also hands-on for. The anime he's also hands-on for. That doesn't work if the core players, like Mattson, Tomlin, aren't invested in all of these mediums as well as Keanu's vision, as well as Boone's vision, et cetera, et cetera. So he's collaborative, but never at the cost of him not giving his full passion. Mattson is a genius writer.

It shows here, and I'm so excited for this team up. It is so good. I mean, all of the stuff we've seen from Boom has been great, but like this one, I immediately was hooked. Well, for me, like I mentioned you guys, it's the same thing I told you why I like them, where I don't want it to feel, obviously, especially with this show, that I'm being, I'm over superheroes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like, I enjoy them. I enjoy it. For forever, I've been a fandom since the Donner Superman movies, right? But I like a switchup. I like a change. I need these to be as good as they are because I'm reading 10 times as many superhero books. I'm telling you, in science fiction and everything, too. It's like, for me, and like right now I'm on, I'm on such a time travel kick because of dark.

which is to me probably one of the best shows of all time. And then that this book kind of comes along. I was like, you caught me at the right time. And they don't pull punches on the subject matter. Yeah. Like they go after it. And it's not light. It goes deep.

It's fast. Yeah. But I get it. It's the same conversation we've been having about Star Wars. It's not that anybody's anti- Jedi at this point. It's just like and or something so fresh. You know what I'm saying? It's just nice to.

I'm just finishing his power. It's next. I'm like tonight, actually. I'm so good. So, so is there anything else? Yeah, there's two other books I want to talk about. One came out the last week of October,

so it's already in stores and you can get it right now. It's called Lovesick, and it's maybe the kinkiest book I've ever recommended. It is a book about these people. I mean, Joy Mode Tastic. No, it's dark and depraves. It's this world where these people are watching this forum where this girl comes in and she basically kills

in cells in, like, kinkware, and, like, screws them to death. and you're weirdly captivated by both by like, this is weirdly arousing, but also like the torture porn in the reality of internet culture. So it's a commentary on how we all torture each other metaphorically as people,

but also with real life sex and torture. It's a fascinating first issue because I was like, I'm so odd boner right now. And also it's a great commentary on the fact that like sex in this culture, our culture is such a faux pa. Like we are more comfortable with violence

in our community and our culture than sex. So it's interesting when you see sex and violence, which affects you more negatively. Like if you're used to say, seeing someone get beheaded and you're not used to a pair of tits, you're going to be more used to the beheading. So it's interesting to see violence and sex and a comic in that way. And then also, friend of the show, a friend of mine, David Asmulchin's fourth issue of his second volume of Count Crowley just came out.

So there are only four issue volumes. So you can literally just pick up volume one, four issues, volume two, four issues that just finished. And I love this book because it's like a golden age monster movie. It kind of feels like a cryptkeeper like narrating a story. But it's this girl who basically was an alcoholic that couldn't get a job. and then fell into doing this really, like CCTV, like local news channel stuff. And like the ratings were awful.

And she took on the mantle of this really cheesy vampire hunter to like pay the bills. So like a cryptkeeper and she's this pretty girl through on makeup. And through doing this job, she finds out that monsters are real and becomes a real monster hunter, get sober, improves her life, and now helps people while killing monsters. And it's written by David DeSmalsh.

So it's so fun, so good, so different, dark horse comics. I want to check both of them out. how in the hell do you have that much energy this lady's trade coffee drink it this morning and I'm sustained all the way through I'm telling you just as the endorsement there's again we we're definitely a little over time here today but I did want to shoot I want to we gotta get to this Spider-Man story

we do let's let's do the Spidey story then we'll call it a day but again once again thank you to boom this is our I love love this segment and you guys have been loving it. Do me a favor again. As I mentioned to you guys with like trade coffee and these other things inside the comment section, tell me what do you, what do you like? People keep telling me about boom and what they liked about it. I send it to our rep all the time on and I say, hey man, look, they're loving the section. People wrote me and said, hey, I hadn't heard of boom. I started checking out their comics. I sent it right to boom.

So they know they're seeing your comments. So keep on letting us know and check it out. guys it's um you're coming out it comes out this uh this this this week or next week excuse me a vicious circle this week we get an early look at it so we're we're pretty pumped and we hope you enjoy it so once again a vicious circle from boom and thank you to boom all right so real quick everybody so i have to i got to get to this thing where where is spidey holland right there there he is okay so spider-man there's apparently there's rumors or what what's going on here with tom holland but they they said that that he is going to potentially get a multi-Spider-Man deal. Multi.

So here's the story. This one comes from Dark Horizons. Numerous film reporters across several outlets have all claimed that Tom Holland has allegedly signed a deal with Marvel Studios and Sony Pictures to return as Spider-Man for multiple new films. According to said reports, which are a long way from official at present, the deal not only includes a Spider-Man trilogy out, but appearances in two or three of three. other projects, likely the two upcoming Avengers films.

Outlets such as the Express, the direct, type piece, Murphy's Multiverse, coimoy.com, all carried the story along with notable Twitter film accounts like Alex Perez from the Cosmos Circus, yada, yada, yada. The recent report has been swirling since yesterday afternoon. None of the trades or major outlets has picked it up yet, and there is no official statement at the time of this article's writing. For now, it remains very much just online speculation. We do know, though, in late 2021, Feige admitted that he and Amy Pascal,

had already been developing the story for the fourth Spider-Man film. More recently at Comic-Con, Fagie said Holland's Spider-Man and Charlie Cox's Daredevil, going to lead the way as the street-level heroes. All right, so you understand why I had to, we had to cover this. I mean, this is potentially everything. It's potentially. It's huge.

It's huge. I couldn't ignore the story. I mean, and there'll be more to come of it for sure. Yeah, once variety or deadline, they'll have to get quotes to verify it, therefore we'll have data, as opposed to, like, hope. Yeah, I mean, look, there's, and a lot of times, And then if deadline gets it, they won't give anybody, they'll say it's exclusive.

So we invented this. We found Tom Holland on a lab. We're the one that heard all this. It's ours. It isn't. So here's the thing that I ask you guys, because obviously, from the way that movie is set up, you got to have a new Spider-Man movie. I would assume the Spider-Man movie that they're going to do,

what I hope that we see, is a similar feel to what Spitey was going through in the first Ramey film. Yes. Right? I want Silver Age Spide. You guys know, if you watched already watches, all available on Patreon. Oh, they're on here? Okay, so all they'll be here.

I like what Sam Ramey did, but those aren't how I see Spider-Man. So as much as I can appreciate the filmmaker, he was at least doing a Silver Age Spider-Man, which is what I think they should do here is Spider-Man on his own. Not as an Avenger, not as part of the MCU specifically,

like, yes, in the MCU, but he's a guy in his own. They literally cleaned everything up to finally tell the Spider-Man story. It took six movies to do the Spider-Man origin. I think now he's finally Spider-Man. it should be just Spider-Man. Maybe Daredevil if you want to do street level

for a moment or two, but let it be Gwen Stacy, let it be him in college, let it be, you know, something that feels college-y-young, but just independent. Let Spider-Man not have an iron suit. Don't give him extra powers.

Even in the comics right now, he's flying a goblin glider. Drives me insane. Let Spider-Man be Spider-Man. What do you think? Yeah. It's actually seven o'clock for Winston. He's just like, uh-huh.

I got four hours last. night. So, anyway, I mean, I don't have a problem with that. I don't need him to be civil war levels of bringing whatever, but I think you would be remiss to not have Daredevil show up or to not have Deadpool show up. And it doesn't have to be a greater Avenger level threat, but to not bring in these other pieces that also what makes Spitey Spidey sometimes. I agree with you. If you want to start with the first film and nobody's there. I'd like a oneer or a cameo and a 90s. I just don't want him to be always on a team or always reliant. He's Spider-Man.

He doesn't need others. I want to see a Spider-Man movie, the same way that they did it with both McGuire and Garfield. I want to see him inside because he's always had like either a suit by Tony Star. Iron Man was in the first one, Dr. Strange is the second one. And I love the movies. And I'm cool with that. Thank you. But I think that now that we've got, if we're going to get Tom Holland back and we're going to have him back to do it, then yes, I want to see him work in that world to have Spider-Man

adventures and then move in. And then you could have a friendly neighborhood adventures. have him do the team stuff if he's going to be in the Avengers, fine. Yeah, or in the second movie do Spider-Man Daypool, but I want a friendly neighborhood moves. Like Wakanda Forever, which we'll talk about on Monday, that was a Wakanda movie. I agree. Yeah, it was a lot of other stuff going on in it, but it was, it did not go way

outside and bring a lot of it. It just focused on the story. I want this in Queens. I want this in the area that he's patrolling. And then maybe if he goes into Hell's Kitchen for a minute, like, but I want it to feel like New York. because he's been in New York like seven minutes in the MCU. That's true.

All right. So anyway, we're going to be talking a lot more about Tom Holland, especially when they finally announce it that it's coming out. Thank you guys for joining us here today. I want to thank everybody. I want to thank our friends of Rwandering and Lord of the Rings podcast. I want to thank our friends over a trade. And of course, boom.

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