The Kristian Harloff Show - Black Widow Review, Loki Ep 4 Spoiler Review and Rocky Balboa Revisited | The Big Thing

Episode Date: July 2, 2021

On episode 8, Kristian and Mark Ellis reunite after Kristian returns from vacation. Mark gives him crap about calling the last TBT episode the most fun one he has done yet. The kids discuss Black Widow, does it hold up to the past MCU films? Kristian talks about Loki episode 4 and special guest Coy Jandreau gets a call to explain things and the guys revisit Rocky Balboa and where it holds up in the Rocky franchise. Follow on Twitter Kristian Harloff https://bit.ly/31PePMD Mark Ellis https://bit.ly/2U1wKPa Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Happy Friday, everybody. It's the big thing show. That's me, Christian Harlow. I'm here, I'm back. You didn't even know I was gone. Nobody even knew. I did it right. I was like incognito.

I went on vacation. The first vacation, I don't know how long. But when I came back, because I had seen, we were doing the Wolf of Wall Street show. We did that with Bonnie and Kate and Brett, and if you haven't checked it out, you're stupid. You should watch it. But if you haven't,

You should check it out. It's on the channel. But I was going to come back and do a show. We're going to tape one for Friday and we get it out there. And it just doesn't work without this character. It just doesn't. It doesn't work without you. I mean, look, I know what you're trying to do.

I know what you're trying to put out there in the universe. No, you're trying to because I saw your tweet about how, like, look, I've done a lot of shows. I've never had as much fun. I knew you were going to say it. I knew it. As I did with Brett and Bonnie and Kate. And I'm like, well, I guess, you know, I'll show up when he needs a backup because I will say one thing to you and you'll understand immediately. Yeah. Because it was at Saturday night and we were

drinking. I was privy to a little bit of the pregame. Yeah, you were. Because I called you and those hangers on were already here. You're saying animals. I was, yeah, I was nervous for you. Yeah. And definitely for the show. Like my theory was that you guys were going to have a great time in here and that broadcast was never going to see the light of day. Pre-taped. That's the beauty pre-tate. Did you have to edit? No, no, it was nothing. We never. magic and the editing there was some funny stuff that was said and there were a couple of kate was kate was on brett was on was uh hammering and bonnie was bonnie you know it's like so but it was a lot of fun it was a lot of fun it sent me a video of brett uh getting an uber home i guess i don't know if

they were i don't even know how that happened i think that bonnie's fiancee drove them i it made no sense to me but i didn't argue it because i just wanted them out of my house you're home get out of the house just wanted to get out yeah that's that's the whole thing with entertaining at your own abode is that at some point. First of all, there's two things that really bother me about entertaining people in my place. What's that?

Is one, you, like, you have to be the one eventually to kick them out. Yeah. And two is that I can't leave you. Like,

I love my Irish goodbyes and just not saying goodbye to anybody. Not because I'm a dick, but just because like, I say goodbye to you, then I got to say everybody. Then it's like, oh, no,

somebody's dying. It's like, no, I'm just going to sneak out and we'll all live. You have to, oh, look, especially to be able to talk about that in a second. Wow.

Cut off by the ad already. Not yet. She's. So you went on vacation. I did go on vacation. Undercover. Yeah. Well,

I didn't want anybody to know about it. Like, yeah, usually people like, usually people blast out their vacations. It's like, it's worse than birthdays because they're like months ahead of time. Like,

hey, guess who's going to Maui? It's, yeah, I don't, that, that type, I didn't need it. I just wanted to go and we,

with the family and we went to, you ever been, you ever heard of the Solvang, uh, California? I have. And the thing that I know about it is that I was invited to Solvang once upon a time.

Oh, yeah, by a lady friend? Yes, but not that kind of lady friend. Oh, okay. It was Eliza's bachelorette party. Insolving? And I was the boy that was in flight. I was representing all of manda. Eliza had a bachelorette party in Solving?

They went up there to hang. I think it was her. It doesn't seem to me like that's a bachelorette party. I mean, her and Jody Miller and a couple of other, you know, close friends went up to Solvang. And I was at South by Southwest. And so I was looking at flights. I could fly like directly into, I guess I would fly into, Monterey, then drive down. And I'm like, eh, this is too much. But Solvang, what I hear is that they have

these, like, there's wine tasting everywhere. Yeah, and it's Danish. But there's, it's a Danish little Danish town. Okay. So there's, I'm just telling you. So there's a lot of white people. Well, but it's, I mean, that's, when I hear Danish, I think white. But it's more, dude, the bakery, the food, you can smell. Yeah. I had an Eclare there. I could have fuck this to Claire. You just turned into Andrew Freed right there. I had an Eclare. Let me tell you. The universe dealt me in a Claire. When I had this. I thought many aquares.

It stopped. It stopped. And my entire family, I saved a dog before we get into this. I saved a dog's life. You saved a dog's life. I was walking. This one I knew you'd like. If I told you, I saved a person, we'd just move on to the Eclare.

So we were walking down the street at this place. So for most people who don't know, solving is like this. It is legit, like these two guys in like 19. 1111 or something, found this town. Hans and Franz. More or less. And they found this city in California, but it's like a, it is a Danish city, right? This guy, like, little Danish shops.

It's built like it. They have windmills everywhere. But we're walking through. We sit at this great hotel called the Landsby. I highly recommend that if you're going to go to the what? The Landsby. The Landsby. It's a really nice hotel.

All right. So we're getting there. And as I'm, this little like almost like a town right behind this bakery, this little like town square, if you will. It's pretty much like you're in a super-sized mini golf course. It really is. I sent you a picture of it. That's what it looked like, yeah.

Yeah. And so there's people sitting out in the courtyard and I hear some lady go, no, no, no, no, no, no. And I see this guy skateboarding. And then this dog is off leash. Like, and but. I could go for days. But no, no, but not off leash. Not off leash.

This wasn't done on purpose. It was as if I thought that the skateboarder dropped. the leash and didn't realize it. And there was a lady trying to get, but the lady was trying to get the dog. It was her dog and the dog was like a puppy, right? So the dog takes off and goes into the street. And cars are, and this is like a busy street.

Fine. For some, my instinct, and I turned into fucking Neo. And I'm maneuvering through the cars like this and I step on the leash. Yeah, good. And I stop the dog. And the dog looks at me and tries to. to attack me.

Yeah. What kind of dog? I'm like a little Cocker Spaniel type thing. Coming after me like ready, like ready to because it was confused. And it didn't know and it wasn't like it didn't know what was happening. So it looks up and just sees me. And at this point you got to take the bite. And you can't get your foot off the leash.

But again, Neo, I don't know how I avoided the cars coming in. And I don't know how I have the dogs trying to snip at me. And I'm moving my arms. And the woman goes, no, no, no, no. He's saving you. He's saving you. And then I turn around. And the whole court.

It's as if we just crushed in in Chicago in front of a thousand people. They stand up. And I didn't even think about it. Oh, look at you. And it was so stupid. They're like, there's a hero. I go, I'm not a hero. I'm like, I just didn't want the dog.

Did you bow? Did you bow a little bit? Did you wave? No, I took my pants down. But other than that, it was my, it was cool because my daughter was there, you know, like the two. Who, by the way, is campaigning to get a dog. Well, they both, it's, we all. all want the dog. We all want dogs. It's just a matter of who, you, you should be very careful with

this conversation because who do you think it's going to be watching the dog when I go to, when I go on vacation or New York? Well, that's what scares me because the niece and the nephew up in Seattle are starting to lobby for a dog right too. And he's going to you. I don't trust. I literally do not trust anyone. And that's my problem. Now, this was just somebody, you know, their, their hand slipped and they, and the dog was still on the leash. These animals that live by me, Right. They just, they just opened the door and the dog just, oh, no, it's a dog. It's fine.

And it's like in a controlled environment, in a vacuum, maybe I would trust your dog to be smart enough to stay on the grass and not go into the street. However, I've had to save many dog lives on that street because I see these morons just let their dog out. How do you not, how do you get a dog? How do you pay for a dog? How do you pay for the bills and the food and the vet and all that stuff? and you're still too lazy of a sack of shit. Just hold a leash. You know who was bad at that?

I hate to call him out on air. You know who was bad with that? Riley. Riley was bad. Not with Cal. Right. But he had a pit bull. He had a pit bull.

He used to let that thing off the leash. I said, you out of your fucking mind. And again, if that's the only dog on the corner, then it's probably going to be okay. No, it's not okay. It is not okay. When they see another dog, that's when it elevates even more. Especially if one dog is off the leash and another dog is on the leash, those dogs look at each other like, wait a minute,

something's different between us. We should fight this out. Well, yeah, and they would do it. But pit bulls in general, some pit bulls are very well behaved, and to the masters, they listen and they're good. Right. This was not one of those. It was not a John Wick pit bull.

My wife was pregnant with my oldest. And the pit bull jumped on her. Yeah. And like, but it was not like, not jumping like, hey, pet me. Like, like, I'm about to do something stupid. And it's like, it's, it's. scared the hell out of us. And then I was like, wow.

But anyway, so we got this Eclare. So you're a hero. You're celebrating within a Claire. It was my excuse to celebrate and get, I was telling people about this diet that I've been on and working out. All the, the six pounds I lost was gained with three bites of the Eclare. What's in it? I don't know that I've ever had an Eclare.

So it's like chocolate layering on the outside, but like this custard on the inside. Fancy Ladd Donut. Yes. And they had them. And I haven't had one in a while. I like them. but they put like a little raspberry in this one. Oh, dude, I normally don't like it either.

I normally don't like it either, but it was really, really good. I don't mix fruit with pleasure. I was eating, look, I was eating seafood. I was eating everything that. Well, you're on vacation. You should. And might I point out, most of the time you go on vacation, you're out for a week. Or maybe even two weeks.

Right. You had a few days. So you really had to cram all that fattening into three days. A few days. And just by looking at you, just by looking at you, great job. I did. It's true. Oh, you look fine. That's fine. You can get it right back. It is I just got to get back on to the, I brought the VR with me.

Good. You know how many times if I used it? Not a once. I hope zero. Not a once. Good. Leave it at home. My wife, my wife was okay with me bringing that. She's like, but she's like, no working. Because you use the workout excuse. But no, but no working. Well, I'm saying like if you could sell her on bringing your VR. That's the only reason I would bring it, to be honest. I'm not going to play a Star Wars game in the middle of it. But, but. I don't know. But. It's the guy. that literally left a party early a Comic-on to go read a Star Wars book. I did do that. That's right.

Multiple times. I did do that. Just come home. You're already sitting on the can. Hey, how's the party? It's right. I remember that. Wedge was about to meet Chewy.

Wedge wasn't in that, you dickbag. It was before Wedge. I don't know if language was necessary. Well, it's been, it's been necessary. Especially in the van with me, you were speaking of Riley. Me and Riley with the Hunger Monster. Oh, yeah. That was the best.

That was the very first Comic-Con and very nearly our, last within seconds. You're like, hey, hey, I remember that your face. Hey, it was that Snickers commercial. That was probably the first time that Mark Ellis team therapist really came out. Yeah, it was. Well, it was to fight the hunger monster. It was like, it made me realize I can't like, I don't think I had eaten like all day. I mean, it was the morning, to be fair. At all. It was the morning. We were staying on the outskirts of Escondido or we were on some island. No, no, we were on Coronado Island. That was the first one. I will tell you this. though, because it was not convenient.

It was a nice hotel, wasn't it? To Comic-Con. Yeah. I missed that hotel. It was a nice hotel. They had a huge fire pit out there. I remember that. It was nice. So we survived the day. Right. And we got back there and they had like IPAs on draft. And we're just sitting out there looking at the ocean. And it's like, okay, this actually ain't so bad after all. It was a good way to experience it for the first time because you don't know any better. And you're very appreciative. Yeah. Because if you, again, it's like anything in life. It's like if you had to work harder for something initially, you're very appreciative. when you do get to stay at your hard rock hotels. Right, right, or your hyatt's or wherever else you are.

Not this hotel wasn't nice, but just the commute because you basically are in a van. Yeah. And so when we wanted to change and go to the parties, which you love so much, that wasn't an option. So you're just kind of wearing close. And we didn't get invited any of those parties anyway that year. No, well, probably with good reason. Imagine how much crap we would have stolen if we actually got invited into a party. You were stealing stuff that was outside the party.

Oh, that's right. You stole the thing from a hard ride. We went to the Hard Rock. It was that, that was, that was that night. I think I was helping you move. It was, and I found it. Do you remember what it was? It was, yes, it was, um, it was a sign.

It was a sign from Hard Rock. And it wasn't a big sign, but it was framed. And it said, like, what is it? Like, legends. It said legends with, with, with an arrow. Yeah. And I said, this is what we should use it in our reviews from now on. And it's like sitting in a box somewhere.

I, I'm telling you that I definitely ran into, I definitely saw that somewhere. Yeah. And right now there's a listener who was like, I fucking, what's so much work in to that? I look the next day, the legend thing was gone. Sorry, but if you're listening to the show, then you're a huge fan. Yes, someone gets.

It's so funny, though, because I remember you telling me that on the way home. Like, this is going to be great. It's one of the few times we've been going out, and I'm more so over than you. And we're riding home in this, in this hotel shuttle at like midnight. Because if we miss that shuttle, it was it. Because Uber wasn't a thing. Uber wasn't a thing back.

Nope. We're sleeping in the hospital. Hall of age one. Yeah. You said it'd be great and I refuse. And I remember half of me is like, should I just kill his dream right now? And the other half of me is like, no, no. Let him have it.

Let him have it. Because he'll forget all about this tomorrow. And then that was the start. And then I think it did, it did show us the difference between when you stay at a place like that because you don't know any better. This is the way Comic Con is supposed to be. It's like you said. And then the next year we're staying like right on the strip.

You're like, oh my God, this is heaven. Yeah. It was amazing. Oh, it's great. And I do miss that. And I did miss that during the pandemic. So hopefully it comes around and get lucky next year. Next year.

I am going to San Diego soon, though, and I'll be staying on the strip. Ooh. Yeah, I'm excited about that. You got some work out there? No? Just going to... Another vacation. Another vacation.

Another three days. Like you said, some people take, like, those seven days. I split them up. You take many vacations. I take many vacations. I'll be doing a couple days in San Diego. Just to hang there. We like to go once a year.

Well, give me the dates. Let's do a show. If you're serious, I will all see as a... I'll do it. I'll do it. You should be listening to the podcast. Do you understand I can sneak out? I can sneak out on like a Saturday.

You don't think I'd be able to do it? You'll be able to sneak out? No. I think one time in your youth you were able to sneak out like Red Dawn, but I don't think that. Yeah. I think your lovely wife is probably not going to consider she's going to know. You're not going to be able to sneak out.

Probably not. And speaking of which, you know, this whole vacation, there one thing I was bummed when I got back. and as you saw in the title of this video, this is going to be a Black Widow review. Yeah, a real one too. It will be a real one. Because I did my work.

You did. How'd yours go? Disappointing. And I'll tell you why this is the thing. I noticed, so they, I was so excited because they sent out, they sent out the option. And they go, you can either go, you can see it in the theater. They had a couple different options.

You can see it in the theater. Or you can get the streaming link that you can watch it on Disney Plus for like two days, right? For two days. Two days. You have 48 hours. They said it to me right as they started my vacation. Right? And I'm like, all right.

So I get back last night. I get back last night or when I was on Wednesday night. And I go to fire it up on the computer. It had expired around 10 or 15 minutes before I fired. Oh, man. And so I wrote to the rep and he's like, yeah, this marvel's not, they're not letting it extend. So I was like, well, Mark saw the damn thing.

So this is Mark Ellis's review of Black Widow. Yeah, I missed the screening too. No, would that be great if I did? I had a great time going, this was my first, like, press greeting, you know, because I, you went to a theater, though. Went to a theater, went to El Capitan. Oh, wow. Right on Hollywood. Were you nervous?

You wear the mask anyway? Yeah. They were pretty socially distance. They socially distanced the seating. So if you came in with somebody, I happened to bump into our friend that Williams. And so I sat with him. Coy Jandru joined us. Ket Napsock was there.

Sabina Graves was there. How to, wait a minute, hold on. Jack McColley was there. Don't you bury the lead. What? How in the world did anybody get Ken Naps off to go to a screening of a box? Do not know. And he was there, he was just there chilling, solo.

This is, where's my phone? I need, I have to call, I have to call him and ask him how. I'm going to call him, but you tell him. Review, review. Yeah, good. It's nice to have a captive audience here in this studio. I'm listening. I'm listening.

So Black Widow is a film that takes place in between the events of Captain America's Civil War. and Infinity War. Right. And so you have Black Widow who is on this sort of backstory mission for her, but it's a very personal mission. And so you meet her family. And I put family in quotes because there's a lot of things that gets uncovered during the course of the two-hour, 15-minute runtime.

But I will tell you this, her and Florence Pew, Scarlet-Johansson and Florence Pew, dynamite together. She's so good Florence Pew in general. They are so much fun. Do you believe that their sisters? Yes. Yeah. Their fight scenes?

against each other and with each other are so good. They're so well choreographed. Kay Shorlin did a great job directing this thing because you also have David Harbour in there. Right. And you have Rachel Weiss in there. Yeah. And you have... Who underrated is one of the most talented and attractive people in the world.

Rachel Weiss? Yeah. Or David Harbour. David Harbor. His belly, his belly alone is fantastic. The ultimate dad belly. Yeah. The best dad belly I've ever seen.

It's really good. And they have a great dynamic. you have a really imposing villainous presence here. Yeah. And a lot of it, there's a lot of Russian accents. Yeah. Good ones, bad ones? I think they're pretty good.

Okay. But you're not a good judge of that stuff. Napsock's last name is Napsock. Yeah. And so I'm not sure he was quite as high on the Russian accent as everybody else was, depending on who it was. I think Florence Pew won the best Russian accent award. It's really good.

And it was a very, very fun and throwing adventure. There's not quite as much of that MCU. humor that you get because again we're talking about a dysfunctional family and we're talking about a family where it's like any family even my family who i consider pretty functional you have things that have happened in the past and you don't necessarily talk about at the dinner table but if it comes up you have to address it so you see both of those things play out in the movie and one of the coolest parts about this to me is that it proves that we can inject a really cool solo story anywhere in the MCU timeline,

and it doesn't take away from where we're going, and it doesn't really kill the tension because we know where this character ends up. It is still a really fun solo adventure. Well, all right, a couple questions. Because it doesn't feel solo. It feels like we just have another team. Well, that's a couple questions I have.

The first is that this movie was delayed so many times because of COVID, obviously. Do you feel that as far as timeline within the MCU at all? No, because it does take place. It would have taken place before anyway when it was initially slated to come out. So it doesn't feel dated at all. Maybe for that reason, but it does not feel like a movie that's been sitting on the shelf for a year and a half.

Without any spoilers, does, do you get rewarded if you, I mean, maybe not because of when it takes place, but do you get rewarded all for watching any of the TV shows in this one? As a guy who hasn't finished one of the TV shows, I felt like I was caught up with everything. Okay. There was, there's something that, there's something that gets referenced. It's more of a reference than it is an actual event within the film that I did have to go to my resident expert, Koi, afterwards. So, Corey was kind of telling Thad and I, like, on our way out. How it plays into stuff?

Something, yeah. Plays into TV shows? No, just in general. I don't think so. Okay, okay. I don't think so. All right. Because the TV shows may have hinted at this, too.

And I'm such a moron now with comic books. I'm just like, oh, I did, you know. Yeah, so do it? I own the Punisher number one. Is that help? Yeah. When it comes to, like, tying stuff into the comic books, for me, yeah, you're going to lose me.

But when it comes to... There is a post-credit scene. There's a post-credit scene. But what about one or two? One. One, okay. Yeah. And what about...

And it's all the way at the end, I believe. So you got to hang in there for the whole credits. They're saying that this could be the swan song for Scarlett Johansson. Is that, does that seem like the case? Or what do you think is more? I will say this. If this is the last time we see her as Black Widow, then I would say it's...

It's like a John Elway Super Bowl 33 performance. Where you go out on top. You mentioned there's no MCU humor. Not none, but you said that there's less than normal, right? Not as much. Does it seem more like born identity type stuff going on? There's a lot of Jason Bourne feel in this. For multiple reasons, because we're following around a spy,

but you're also kind of piecing together your past at the same time. But there is a fair amount of humor. Okay. And a fair amount of it's generated by Florence Pugh's character because she's so super serious and she's, coming back into this family dynamic, just like Black Widow is, and it's just, there's a couple things

that are really going to make you smile and make you giggle and not just like, oh, that's a good joke, but it's like, no, it actually plays into the movie, too. Okay. I highly recommend. I think it's a great way for people to come back into movie theaters and experiencing the event

that is an MCU film, because it's not as high profile as an Avengers full team-up thing would be. Maybe not even as a Spider-Man, but this is a great way to, ingratiate yourself back into the movie-going process. This is why I'm glad they are doing that release at the same time with Disney Plus, though, because I'm not going to the movie theater to watch this right now.

I'm just not. And I do- This is why you like that they're doing it on Disney Plus. Yes. This is why I like that they're doing this release at the same time. Yeah. Because that's what I want to. I want to watch it next week, but I'm not going to the theater right now.

You're not going to a theater. No, not right now. But I think a lot of people are. Because of the corn. You're worried about the corn weight. Right now, yes, 100%. It is nothing to do with anything else. except the fact that I'm going to wind up getting, by the way, going back to Solving. Not Solving.

I went to Carmel by the C for like a night. Well, I know. You kind of, I didn't know if you wanted to talk about your experience there. We can talk about that in a little. I do want to stay on topic with certain things. But the only reason you bring that up with the theater snacks, you know, what's my go-to theater snack? You have the pretzel nubs with cheese. They had this giant, massive pretzel in this shop that I went into to get a coffee.

And it took every bit of shop. strength not to get this thing. I just, I just destroyed this seafood and I just ate so much, but there was this pretzel staring at me in the face. I didn't get it, but it just reminded me of that. One of the biggest pretzel and cheese, like the biggest size soft pretzel with a big cheese dipping, beer cheese dipping thing I've ever taken down. What is that? Was? Where? Tampa, Florida with Brian Harwoff. Where was that? For which movie? Came to some show I was doing. Oh, okay. I flew to Tampa to take your brother out to a movie. It makes sense. And you guys go You didn't saw a movie?

What you see? No, moron. He came to a show. There's pretzels at your show? I was doing. But there is the chance that afterwards, Mark, might want to go out for a few pops afterwards. Yeah, but that's at nighttime. We went to a bar.

And they had it at the bar. I know you haven't been out at night in a while. No, I haven't. They do these things? So there's these things. In the outer world where you go out. And they're called taverns. They guys play Twister?

We might have played a little bit of twister. Big-sized Jenga with the actual blocks that you move around. and they had a great bevy of appetizers. I think it was actually like a German beer hall that we went to. Oh, that's good. Good stuff. So, but to that release at the same time, because that way I'm allowed to see it on Friday,

next Friday when it comes out, be able to talk about it, do a spoiler review, do all that stuff, and really be able to, you know, like I said, just throw it on the big screen and check it out. But the other thing, the other reason, I'm bummed that HBO Max isn't sticking to this plan that they did where they're releasing things in theater

and on HBO Max at the same time next year. I'm bummed that they're not doing that next year. Yeah, I wonder what the finance team looks like as far. I wonder how they approached that. I wonder how many subscriptions I got, but the Sopranos prequel. Have you seen? I did watch the trailer. Because you've been watching the Sopranos.

How many episodes did you watch are the Sopranos? I'm not quite finished with the Sopranos. What season are you in? I'm on season five, I think. Oh, shit. Okay, so you're like, you're in it. I mean, you're in it. I'm in it. I'm locked in and I'm taking my time

watching and I'm piecing it together. It's not like one of those shows like the affair where I'm like, yeah, I'm really locked in and then I'm just like, I think I'm done. No, because it's a fair lost its thing. The Sopranos don't. I can take two weeks. I can take a month off. I can get right back into it. Sometimes I'll go back and watch the previous episode, just to remind myself because

it is so good. You're adorable. You say you can go take a month off. Do you know that when you're watching Sopranos back in the day, you had to take two years off before it came back? It was like a year going to have to two-year wait before you're out of the guy. Yeah, or you just have to wait a week. No. Once you're in the season.

Once you're in the season. But you have to wait for like two years before a season came out. But dude, that trailer, it is fantastic. His son is so good. His son, it looks really good. I mean, it looks like. The movie is called The Many Saints of Newark. Yes, it is.

And I did make the joke that I wish I was like a projectionist at a movie theater because I would cut that film off at 58 minutes and just watch people be like, they did it again. They did it again. Dude, it looks so good. And then having, like, the reveal of Ray Leota in prison. Yeah, who at the end? So who's, who's Ray Leota in the movie?

Do we know? I knew it, and I forgot he's... Dickie Maltesanti, he's not. That's, that's... So, Dickey Maltes-Holte was Christopher's father. Right. He... And his junior, junior, you see for like a split second.

Is he a, is, is he an actual soprano? Who, uh, Ray Leota? I don't know. He's not, he's not, he's not his dad. His dad is played by Barron. No, I think he might be, I think he might be that guy's dad. Oh, he might be his grandfather? Yeah.

But either way. Either way. Because Lorraine Braco is back in it too, right? No. No, she's playing a different role. Is she really? Yeah. Oh, okay.

I'm pretty sure that was her as either like the principal or the guidance counselor. Maybe you're right. Does this sounded like her? I don't know. Yeah. But Mirframiga playing. Which I love. I wouldn't always sign up for something like that, like somebody jumping into a different role in this universe,

but I think it plays so well. I got to see it. I got to see how it plays up. but she plays... Yeah, Viramiga is in it. Livia Soprano. And I always kind of... When I see the nose jobs,

the fake, the prosthetic noses, but, you know, I probably get over it. Who had a prosthetic nose? Pramiga. Oh, I didn't. You didn't even notice. Fair. But this movie looks...

And it comes out of my birthday, which is even better. October 1st. Yeah. Give me a sec to get it. I don't care. A birthday doesn't matter. I'm only saying because I used an excuse to get my wife to watch it.

It's the only way I can get her to watch it because that's what I'm like, that's what I want. Is she not a soprano honk? She's never seen it. She's, she's so funny. She'll go, oh, I love Goodfellas. I'm like, I can't watch violence. What the hell are you talking about? Well, yeah, but Goodfellas again, it's like you suck it up for two and a half hours and you get through it.

Like sopranos. It's just like every week, you know, oh, this is something else. She can't watch Rocky Three. She can't watch Rocky Three because it's too violent. It is true violent. It is true. It was clever length. Pretty intimidating.

Speaking of Rocky. Hey, woman. Speaking of Rocky. I just rewatch Rocky Balboa recently. Yeah. Much better. I did it not to, I did it sometime during the pandemic.

You're going to get mad at me. I know why you're going to get mad at me. You're going to criticize the HBO boxing angle of it. Well, yeah, I don't love the, I don't love the, the, the, you didn't love the way that they did the fight scene like you're watching it on TV, which I thought was pretty cool. Well, it just looks, it just looks a little awkward when it's not as, I love the Rocky fights, the one, two,

two, three, four, the way that they're shot. Like, yeah, they're unrealistic. But it's the realistic thing that they did with, with Rocky Bob Boy, I think they could have done more. I didn't love how Larry Merchant and, um, is it Lampley? And Lampley, I didn't love how they were like making fun of Rocky beforehand. They wouldn't do that. They were led, they, they, for those two guys are,

so the way that I would have to see that again to see all the jokes that are cracking. They're like, crack and all old jokes on them and saying that this is going to be, And I get what Stallone was trying to do with the writing where they were trying to say how he didn't have a shot. But like this was a legend of the ring. And those guys for all the matches that they've called, no. There'd be a little more reverence. Kellerman was the guy inside of that. It was Kellerman Lampley and calling the match.

And Kellerman was the guy who was showing the respect throughout the whole thing. And that was probably the argument. Like these guys are going to be taking shots at Rocky and the Kellerman will be like, you know, watching him as a younger kid. And you would think that Kellerman would be the one kind of lampooning him. Well, the way that's... Yeah, I guess because it's a new school thing. And also because Kellerman is first take and he can have hot takes on things. He doesn't, though.

He's like, Rocky Belt Bo just, just like said hey to me. It's like, I've been watching these guys' matches. Now I'm calling one of them. I love that. And I also really loved inside of, when he walks into, to see his son. It's one of the things I hated about Rocky 5 is that everyone treated him like it was before Rocky 1. Yeah. And they didn't even treat him like he had just accomplished all this stuff.

Because he had just come off. He just come up beating him. He's knocking out. And people who were. were treating him like he was the same guy that never even want to fought Apollo Creed. This is stupid. But in Rocky Balboa, it made more sense. Like, look, that happens. Boxers and athletes and people

lose their money and maybe things happen. But they don't lose that thing. And you walk through, hey, champ, hey, champ. And when he walks in to see his son, everyone's asking for his autograph. They're like, you know, they're taking pictures of a little bit. His dick, the son's boss, the son's boss wants to take a picture with Rocky. I loved all that stuff. Rocky Balboa is so much more pure to the essence of what Rocky was and Rocky 1 and Rocky 2 and underappreciated.

And this is the thing I was going to tell you that you're not going to like. It's not the boxing. It's a better overall movie than Rocky 4. It's a better moving. Yeah, but you and I have this debate too, is that I love Rocky 4 more for different reasons than I would enjoy and appreciate Rocky Balboa. Yeah. Not the least of which is all the brain. videos.

Yeah, you like music videos. But there is a pretty good montage. And you know what I also love about Rocky Bobo? Two things. One is that the kind of sort of like, not even like love interest necessarily, but just the person who he's like, hey, you know. Arian's, Adrian's gone. I wonder what it's like to have a conversation with another adult woman.

Just a companion. Geraldine Hughes. Is that who plays her? Is that who plays her? Is that great in the movie. And she also, before that movie came out, when I was at wake, she happened to be friends with the theater teacher. Okay.

And so she flew in to like talk to the. class. And it's like, oh, she was like a, you know, doing, you know, actress sort of things out here, but didn't have a profile project to the level of Rocky Balboa yet. Right. So then when the Rocky Balboa trailer came out, I remember saying, and instantly, I wrote my old, I was like, Hey, she was great in it. She's great. And that trailer still holds up. Because of what you always referenced, though, I still got some stuff in the basement. In the basement. Yeah. And Paulie, what basement? Yeah. And he's just like, you think about that a lot before I go to The gym is when Duke, it's just, let's put on some hurt and pounds.

Because he tells him, he's like, you don't have, you take speed to beat him. You don't have it anymore. That calcium deposits on most of your fingers. He's like, this, you don't have it anymore. So what you do have is raw power. And they say it a couple times. The last thing to go on a fighter is his punch. Let's put on some hurting pounds.

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For the first time in Chris Paul's career, he gets to play in the NBA finals. We both went to Wake Forest. Yes, you could have told me last night that he was still in the Clippers. I have no idea. But go ahead. Yeah, but it was cool that he advanced to the finals against his old team in that building. Right. And the reason why I bring it up is because in that building is L.A.

Clippers super fan, Billy Crystal. Oh, is he a super fan? He has been a season ticket holder since the early 90s. How does that happen? Since your guy, Sam Cassell was playing for him? How did you get a Yankee fan and stay a Clippers fan? and is he not a Knicks fan anymore? I think it's just like, look, if you go to L.A., you just, okay, the Lakers are known for Jack

and Diane Cannon and everybody who is trying to pretend like they like sports. And Billy's like, no, you know what? I want to get my courtside tickets, and he's a comedian. You go off. You don't take the obvious joke. You go to the clippers being the obvious joke at the time. So he's sitting courtside. And him and Chris Paul, because Chris used to play here, just like, you know, formed a really good relationship.

and so it was so cool to see after the game ended. Chris Paul was just like he's waving to his family and he's like hyping up his teammates and stuff. And then he goes over and he gives Billy Crystal a big hug. That's cool. And it was so cool to see. And so I took a picture of it on my TV. And I just tweeted like Chris Paul hugging Billy Crystal makes me really happy.

And it just sort of took off. And I just noticed one of the people who, guess who retweeted it? I just told you Billy Crystal. I just told you Billy Crystal. I gave you a couple valuable pieces of information to solve this mystery. Yeah. Billy Crystal. Yes.

Basketball. All right. Who retweeted that? Jack Nicholson. The answer. Are you literally cheating? No. Looking up on your phone.

Hands up. No, I'm not doing hands. Hands up. Five. Four. Three. Billy Crystal basketball connection. Okay.

George Mirrison. Oh, really? Big George. Seven foot seven. Used to play in the NBA. Yeah, yeah. Stard with Billy Crystal in the movie. My giant.

Miroson saw. It's pretty great. We tweeted it. That's great. Well, look, I'm more happy for Andres Cabrera more than anybody else. God, he is excited. And he wrote me, he texted me last night because he wants to do some, and he wants to watch a campaign to get him to the finals.

Yeah. Well, so he had put together this video and he asked me if we could use footage from the Shmowdown where he's referenced. And I said, of course you can. I want to see it. Well, him and I were talking like, this was back when the sons were in the previous series and because, you know, I'm a man about town. I'm a jet-setting playboy.

I'm like, look, man, if they go to the finals, we might have. have to do something about this. I looked at tickets for the finals. Let me guess. Cheap tickets. Nosebleeds. $1,500. About $5,000 for nosebleeds.

Get out of my life. So I'm thinking like, I don't like you that much. Yeah. You're a good guy, but can't do it. Yeah, I just can't do it. You put $10 grand for two tickets in the news. And I'd be flying to Phoenix to go to see it, but it would be pretty magical. At that point, he'd get on his back.

I mean, I held it off as far as, like, emotional last night, but, like, If they do end up winning the finals, that's going to, emotional mark's going to come out. Why? Because since when you met a Sons fan. I'm a Chris Paul fan. You're Chris Paul fan. The Wake Forest connection. And if you look at athletes, like my history with athletes and like watching sports with my old man,

there's exactly two athletes that we actively rooted for. Tim Duncan. That are still playing. Duncan's no longer playing. Oh, they're still playing. Chris Paul. And then I give a pass. Hopefully he's healing up to Tiger Woods.

So it's Tiger and Chris Paul. That's it. Now, there's been other athletes like Tom Brady, obviously we're still aware of. Right. We were never actively rooting for Tom Brady. You just witnessed the greatness. And so that would be a huge, huge thing. Yeah, it's big.

And so it's the Milwaukee? Either Milwaukee at the time of this taping, either Milwaukee or Atlanta. But Milwaukee's down to Janus and Atlanta's down to Trey Young right now. So everybody's getting hurt. So it looks like the sun's going to win it. He's getting all the breaks right now. Right now. We'll see how it goes.

Interesting. Well, look, that's fun. And I think that that's a fun Billy Crystal story, though, too, for sure. It's just a great, great, great moment. It is. Speaking of other great moments, Loki's been crushing it. I hear good things. Loki's been doing it.

Sorry. I didn't love, this is the whole point. You did the Black Widow. What did you give Black Widow, by the way, at a Schmo's? Oh, man, I'd probably go at least four out of five, Schmo's. That's big. I might give a four and a quarter. Okay.

4.35. Now, for you guys watching this, this will be a spoiler review for Loki episode four. I'm still on one. Go ahead. Yes. You're not going to remember any of this anyway. I told you some last time I didn't love episode three.

I thought it was okay. This definitely adds into, it makes episode four absolutely makes three more relevant, more enjoyable. Why? Did three leave with like some? Because I remember Steph was on, was pretty much on the same page as you.

So it's three. Yeah. So for three, it just seemed, I'm not, I'm not going to use the word filler. It didn't seem like filler, but it just, it, it wasn't the story that bothered me in three. As much as it was the filming of the episode to see, it looked a little sci-fi channel cheesy to me. Ah, okay. But the story itself of what happens and the bond that the Loki we know forms with female Loki. Yeah.

He's interesting, and that carries on to this episode. So there's a lot that goes down here. Like I said, you're going to be spoiled tremendously from this. Have that it. All right. I'll be okay. So you know that you've seen the first episode. I have.

And once you get hit with one of those batons, it's over. You disappear and you're dead. Yeah. Well, they find out that this one security guard that female Loki had been messing with her mind or whatever, they find out that, because what female Loki told, Loki, was that, she found out through memories that everybody was variance. Every single person that works for the TVA, they're not created by the timekeepers.

They are, there were people that were part of the timeline that were plucked, memories erased, and they're basically working inside the Matrix. So it's kind of like, get out where they just like find people on the street and they're like, no, no, no, you're going to work for us now. And that's what you think that you do. Owen Wilson included, everybody, right?

Wow. So when they get back, so they're on this planet that looks like it's about, from episode three that's about to be destroyed. It picks back up there in episode four. The planet's about to collapse. And finally, Owen Wilson and the gang is able to locate where they are and they get them out at the last minute, right?

They get out both loki's. And they take them for interrogation. And then I always pronounce her name wrong with. Gugo and Batu Ra. Is that how you do you do? Gugu and Batu Ra. Yeah. So I was right.

Right. Google Batu Ra. That was not wrong. Yeah. All right. I always get it raw. Yeah. Usually if you're learning something, you repeat.

And you were just kind of like, yeah. Yeah, what he said. But you were right. It's Google and Batu, about too wrong. So she, but she's, she's really good in the show. She's great. Yeah. And so she is, you can tell that she has, she's had this fun relationship with

Owen Wilson, but you can tell there's something going on, right? She's hiding information. He's starting to catch on to it. Loki tells him, is like, look, that, that exact thing, you're not, you, you've been plucked. You know, you're not created by the timekeeper. You are a variant. And Owen Wilson said, yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever. Sure, sure, sure.

And he discovers that exactly he's right. So Ross sticks him on Wilson's toast. Gone. Kills him, right? A few dog owners, I'd like to take that baton to. Takes him out. And Loki's all pissed off about it. And then he winds up re-teaming with the girl who winds up.

She, the female Loki is pinned up. She's all by herself and another one of the guards. I can remember the black woman who is, she's really, she was the tough ass that, like, the kick the crap out of all the people when they first came in. And she's kind of had a beef with Loki for a little bit.

But she, she also starts to figure it out. She helps out, um, she helps out female Loki. She, and basically, she's the one who starts to help them out when they're in front of,

they go to the timekeepers. The three timekeepers are there and they're, They're interrogating both the Lokees at the end of it. And all hell breaks loose, right? This is before Owen Wilson dies. And everybody, and it looks like it's about, like, shit's going to go down. There's a lot going on in this episode. It's a lot going on.

My takeaway, so. They're all, but they're all, they're all, it looks like the two Lokees want to take out the timekeepers. Turns out the timekeepers aren't even, like, it's like Wizard of Oz stuff. They're like, they are mechanical. It's like Epcot Center? Yeah, we don't know what they are. We don't know who's running it. But at the very last second.

our Loki is talking a female Loki and then he's about he says something to her and then boom he gets hit with the stick he's gone right and so she's left with with with raw yeah go go about too raw yeah raw I think it's I think it's pretty tough call it raw yeah and as you're as you're like okay so I guess she's gonna be the one who's who's kind of running the show now and that is a post clip Loki wakes up there always a post clip No, but there's a post clip. Loki wakes up and he's surrounded by other Loki's, and one of them is Richard E. Wilson. Richard E. Grant. I'm not going to, look, I'm not going to pretend that I'm doing a lot of verses to these names. And all I know is, hey, there's the guy from the Melissa McCarthy movie.

What's that movie called? See, you're doing rotten tomato stuff. You've got, you've got all this stuff. I just, I want the lights. Who's Richard Wilson? Who is Richard Wilson? The lights to come down. Dick Wilson?

I don't know who Dick Wilson is. I don't know who Richard Wilson is. I don't know. The guy whose name is on every NFL football. Yeah, but no. But it's Richard E. Grant is wearing the Loki outfit at the end, but it's like Old Loki. And I don't know what the hell's happening in this clip.

I got it. That's a cool casting for old Loki. It was. I'm going to call Koi. Because now, let's see if Koi can give us some. I'm sure everybody out there already knows what the hell is going on. He's threatened to call Ken Napsok. I'm going to call him next.

I'm going to call him next. No, you should call Ken to ask about Loki. See howl. I'm going to call Koi for us until Koi is on the air. But this will be interesting. I want to say. Koi's more likely to answer. Koi's probably going to answer.

Ken would be. Yeah, but Ken might be on the air, but I'll see. Corey usually, unless Koi's got something on. It's true. He does. See, you hear the energy? You hear the positive energy? Yeah, Koi's always positive.

So, Koi, you're on the air right now. We're doing an episode of the big thing. We're talking. My car is not trying to connect. That's fine. Oh, boy. Yeah, so you're on the air right now. It's me and Mark, and we're talking about Loki.

Yeah. So what the hell does that post? credit scene means. So he shows up in Richard E. Grant, not Richard E. Wilson, by the way, you were wrong about that. But Richard E. Grant, I'll put this on, Coy. Richard E. Grant and the rest of the, like, old Lokies, different Lokies? Where are they? What's going on? Okay. So basically, there's a comic book run called Agents of Asgard, and it involves different lokies through different concepts. So in Agents of Asgard, Loki, willingly dies, so he's reborn as Kid Loki to prove that he's not evil, he's just mischievous. So the kid Loki in the front

is basically trying to prove Loki's self. So this whole show is like a walkabout of proving what oneself is, what one's moral compass is. So the best way to do that is to, in the detective sense, discovering oneself is usually less literal. He's discovering himself by finding himself, in this case a very literal sense. So the last scene is kind of the into the spider verse of Loki,

but as an existence, different variants, represent different choices Loki could have made. And Richard E. Grant is classic Loki. That's his 1962 first appearance outfit, like Jack Kirby outfit. So that'll be your more curmudgingly, more disassociated from humanity Loki. And then Kid Loki represents the more mischid aside. And then the new guy, boastful Loki, is a brand new character. I hope that all made sense.

It did. No, it did for sure. But what do you think that ties in? How does that tie in to the rest of like what the hell we've been watching with the timekeepers and female Loki and, and, and, so where did Owen Wilson go? If Loki shows up there, where did Owen Wilson go? So there's two schools of thought. One is that when you're pruned, it actually just sends you to the end of your timeline.

So where, where you can't cause any problems to the sacred timeline, that's one idea. And the character that Owen Wilson plays Mobius in the comic books, Mobius is actually a clone, like all the TV agents look the same in the comic books. The TVA agents are all Mobius. So what they might do is have like a world of just Owen Wilson's, which would be a blast. Or it just puts him back where he can't cause a disruption. Or the other school of thought is that's what Sylvie was doing, was she was hiding out at the end of Apocalypse.

So all of those Lokies might be the variants that united, and now they're hiding out in a planet that's about to end or has already ended. My theory is that the planet they're on is the one where Lokie is. and Thanos succeeded because you can see the trashed Avengers Tower in the background. Oh, wow. Well, look, I have a question for Coy. Yeah. And it's relevant to the conversation.

What do you got? Coy, I have a question about Owen Wilson's character. Okay. At what point are Matt Dillon and Kate Hudson going to realize that this Dupree guy, you know, he's not all bad, you know? She'll let him sleep on our couch for a while. That's right. Figures life out.

My quandary is, she said now three times in the episode. But he never said it like, wow. So has no one Wilson been messing with us the whole time? That's right. Not once. All right. Well, the great Coy's Andrew, everybody. We wanted answers.

We got answers. Thank you, Coy. I was driving the whole time. Hopefully it made sense. It did. Thank you, brother. I just thought of a, I have no idea. And you were right.

Basically, at the beginning of this review, you said that I'm not going to remember any of this anyway. I'm not going to remember anything. But I came up with a great game that I think we debut. Either at the end of this show, Well, we need a scorekeeper to do it. You and I are trying to do a Monday episode also. Oh, are we?

Yeah. Remember we talked about this before this show. This did not come across my desk. You forgot about that too? We should do a... So take Owen Wilson. Okay. Where am I going to take?

We should do a thing where you and I go back and forth naming Owen Wilson movies that Schmo's no reviewed until somebody can't come up with a movie anymore. Oh, that's a good one. All right. I like that. Let's try that on the next. Let's try that on Monday.

Okay. Well, we might need to hire a scorekeeper. that. Can the audience be the scorekeeper and tell us on the next episode, who got right, who got wrong? Uh, we redo it. Yeah. Okay. I'm trying to do that. All right. Um, all right. Before we move on, I do, I do want to tell you, I will tell you, and I'm not even, not even joking. Like, I was, and this is why I've talked to you about this before, we're on the trip, we're on the vacation. And I was like, oh, man, it started to get a little gamey. Thanks.

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I've known me for a while. Too long. So I'm going to tell you that I watched one of my favorite movies over the course of a couple of days before I left and then I finished it off last night when I got back. And now Wolfo Wall Street. We know that already because we did that deep dive. This is another movie I want to do deep dive on. Okay. I just watched it again recently.

Okay. I want to guess it. Yeah, guess it. All right. I need some sort of hint. Give me the release year. 95. Heat.

Yes. I watched Heat. Ooh, that's a man. I got lucky because I easily could, if I thought about it, I could have been between Heat and Braveheart. That's going to. Yeah. I watched Braveheart at least a year ago.

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Yeah. There's only, how often. What was the last time you see? Have you ever seen heat? I feel like you still have. You should have seen it. I have. But it is definitely one of those movies where you watch it in like 40 minute increments over a week.

It's a great movie. Yeah. There's only. Al Pacino's a little ridiculous. He's the most quotable thing in that entire room. He's very quote. I'm not, did I say he wasn't quotable? He's sitting there with Tonloke.

It's. And he says to him and he says to him, he goes, I man, I can kill for telling you this shit. He'd get killed walking you dog it. Yeah. And they're like, the stuff. He goes, give me a little you got! Give me a lot!

And he's just slamming on. They use one of my favorite names in that, in that movie. Great ass? No, not lines. Names. He walks in. Hey, here comes great ass. He's having this problem with his wife.

It's because his wife's like, you're never present, you're never here. I'm totally on the wife's team here. And by the time, by the time he gets there, she's, he walks in and she's just been, she doesn't walk in on and doing it, but he just, she'd just been. banging some dude, right? Guy has no idea she's married, the poor guy, right? But he's, Exander...

Don't be that guy. What's his name? You know his name, the actor, character actor, Exander. Zander Berkeley? Yes. From 24? Yes.

And he's, so that's who he is. And he's sitting there. So he, it's a name that I use quite often when I'm naming people or goofing around. Ralph? His name is Ralph. Is it Ralph? His name is Ralph?

His name is Ralph. He's the perfect name for the schlub. Who didn't know you? She was very. He said, I didn't, I didn't, Ralph. sound screams at ralph and ralph is like oh and he's like you can come in here you can bang my wife and her husband's ex art deco wherever but you cannot watch my tv he's a scream at him everything inside the movie is so great he is as much alpicino and jack and jill as he is alpicino

from godfather too oh yeah yeah yeah he's he's not not to the extent i he's he won an oscar three years prior for son of one for who his way to the stage at the now Dolby Theater. So I think that that planted the DNA in his head for the rest of that decade is like, I'm just going big. He goes big. He goes big in this movie. There's no doubt about it.

But he's got a lot of soft moments too. And there's a great, but one of my favorite moments that actually shows what a genius he is as a cop is when they're all, they were all spying on the guys and the guys were meeting at that big, like, dock sort of situation. And then they leave. And so then the guys come down and they're like, like we're trying to piece it together and then Pacino, he pieces it together and he figures it out. You know what they're looking at?

Oh, you know what they're looking at? What? Oh, these guys, are these guys good or are they good? You know what they're looking at? What? Us. Yep. All right.

All right, motherfucker. And he's like, and he's going back and when he's looking up. And then De Niro just gives him that smile from up top when he's taking the picture of him. It's so good. And the coffee scene is the famous one. Oh, yeah. But also when he pulls him over. He pulls him over.

That's the first one. He's just like, you want to get coffee? Yeah, all right. And didn't I hear something like the coffee scene. They actually filmed that and they didn't film it on the same day? No, they filmed it on the same day. Together you mean? Yeah.

No, I thought it was like they used a double for each one for whatever reason. So it wasn't actually then. No, they were there. They were there together. They were together. You've seen the movie a few more times than I. Yeah, but they, so that all of it, but there's a few scenes that there's, there's only one scene, though, to me that I don't necessarily know if it needed to be in the movie.

Like if there was like, So do you remember the bad guy's name? I mean the main bad guy, like the whole reason they get him involved in the crew. Oh, crap. So you mean the guy, not Robert De Niro? Well, no. It is De Niro? No, De Niro is Neil McCauley.

But he's got his tight crew. Right. He's got Tom Sisemore. He's got Val Kilmer, Danny Trejo. Those are like his set guys. In the beginning, in the first. And he brings in a dude. He's got Serrano, too.

Yeah, but that's because that's because Trejo can't show up. Right, right, right, right. That's because Trejo can't show up. Right. But, yeah, but he, the president for 24th. But. President Palmer. That's right.

So, no, the guy's name with the long hair that looks like he, you know, he's, everybody, you and I have ever. Oh, John Voight. No, no, John Voight does have long hair in that, but no, he's the one that he's part of their crew. Waynegrore. Waynegrore. Waynegroe is the guy.

Wangro. Right, right, right. Wengro causes all the shit. Who plays Wangro? The guy's name, he escapes me. But what I was, the guy was married at Kelly Preston, Lake Great Kelly Preston, for a little bit. This guy. I had no idea.

Really? Yeah, I was on Amazon Prime watching it. Before Johnny? Yeah, way before, way before. But yeah, so he was, see, he's, he's, he, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, the character. But Waynegroe winds up leaving the crew because he fucks up and they try to kill him and he gets away, right? Right, right.

But there's one scene where he's, he's out like killing prostitutes, and he kills this, one prostitute, and then Pacino gets called to go investigate it, and the mother comes out, and she's like, find my baby, find this. It has nothing to do with the overall story. This is a wingro's a bad dude. We know that already. It's just solidifying how evil he is. Yeah, and it has nothing to do with the overall plot of the story, unless I'm missing

something, but like, you've seen the movie enough. But it doesn't track, it doesn't, like, they don't track him for doing that. They don't try. It's like it just, it just like adds into the, the shit that Pacino has to do. And the reason when he comes back that he's got to get into another argument with his, with his wife at the time. But it's like Kevin Gage is the guys. Kevin Gage is, is Wayne Grove. Yeah. But yeah.

So. Hank Azaria is in it. Natalie Portman. But the scene, the scene with with Pacino and Portland, when Natalie Portman tries to, when Natalie Portman tries to offer self in the bathtub, like that is such a, like that moment. I remember none of that. Well, that's one moment that's tough to watch. The other scene that is very hard to watch in that movie now, the bank scene, right? You know the classic bank scene when they're shooting in the streets.

So when they're leaving and De Niro sets it up in the diner, he's like, I'm going to do whatever it takes to get the fuck away from you, right? And he does, because Pacino's coming after him and he's firing. They're at a grocery store in the parking lot, and he's firing away. This movie came out four years before Columbine. Right, right. So that kind of shit wasn't really going on the way that every night on the nightly news today, there's another shooting. A lot of those aren't getting filmed today. No, a lot of those are tough to watch.

I don't know if you remember this. I can't remember which shooting incident, unfortunately, because there's so many now. During the born. Jack Reacher. The Jeremy Renner born movie. Oh, yes, yes, yes. There's a scene in the lab that felt very similar. to what we had seen on the news the night before

and it just takes you out of it. And that might have also been compounded by the fact that it was that production company who's now changed it to a whip. Right. The gun in the coffin. It opens up. I think it's Will Ferrell's production company. It was. Yeah, they changed it.

They changed it. But watching that, I've seen that movie, Mark, so many different times. You always seem to get something new out of it. But that was the first time I've ever watched that movie and felt like, oh, it's harder to watch today. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That scene was harder to watch today than it was all the other times of seeing the movie

because it was fantasy and it wasn't real. And the gun sounds in that movie are so loud. I can't imagine seeing that in a theater. I did see that in a theater. Because that just must have overwhelmed your eardrums. I fell in love of that movie when I saw it in the theater. It is an incredible, incredible film. It's the only scene that after watching it last night that I thought didn't need to be in the movie

was the scene, was that whole angle with Wayne Groke killing the, The prostitants. It just has nothing to do with it. You get a lot of the LA landscape in there. You do. You get a lot of what L.A. actually looks like. 100%. It is absolutely that type of thing. But look, there's an episode of the big thing.

Mark Ellis, Christian Harloff here. He's not going to rave about this one on Twitter, folks. I will. I absolutely will because it was a fun discussion. Be honest. Yeah. Maybe. Maybe.

You're going to come over and you're going to have a drink when we do, we do a couple beers one. Those are going to be like this. It was rowdy. It was a good episode to do it to because it was Wolf of Wall Street. So like I didn't have like I knew I was going to have to like... It's impossible to talk about that movie

They'll drop in some F bombs. F bombs, but also how well do you remember Wolf of Wall Street? Pretty well. Okay. So doing that show was as if I was Shay Wiggum trying to control the boat as it And you got two people asking for the ludes over here And the one who was already might as well been on ludes.

So I'm like steering it, trying to go back on the water as we're doing it And I kept getting back there, but then I also didn't want to, the beauty of Wolfo Wall Street is let it go a little crazy, let it go a little nuts. And that's what that show was. And I think that's why it was so much fun. I have two favorite scenes I can think about top of my head in Wolf of Wall Street. The one is just the Jim Carrey-level physical comedy of DeCaprio trying to get either in it or out of the car. I can't remember what he's trying to roll into the car from the country club.

It's so good. But the other one that I actually loved it. And again, there's so many great scenes in that movie. This is what I'm thinking of now is when Kyle Chandler's agent character, approaches him on the boat. And they're having that like, we're being cordial, but F you. Do you just try to bribe federal agents?

It's so, so well done. Yes. It is. Go fuck yourself. You got to go back. That's one of those movies that will suck me in for the rest of it. I'm going to go have Dominique

Lick Caviar off my ball so you guys go off the thing. Yeah, right. Just throwing the money at him. Yeah, we went in Jonah Hill, and Jonah Hill is just crushing it. Rob Reiner is so good in that too. Just to befuttle.

trying to keep the ship tight. I have to tell you, this is why I love doing this show now as opposed to trying to keep up with everything current. I get to go back and revisit all this other shit and trying to stay up. I'm with Beverly Hills cop and Roxie Belboa and Heat. I'm going through all these old movies and talking about them again. Like, I don't know, man.

I'm turning into my dad. You kids don't have the movies like he used to when I was around. And I was like, I really am turning into my dad because some of the newer movies. I don't know. They're just not hitting with me. Go back and watch Robin Hood. Prince of Thebes. We'll do a deep dive on that. We'd love to.

I don't have to re-watch that movie. It's just, it's, it's, it's, I know it that well. Yeah, but you, but if, but you wouldn't, we should do a deep dive on Red Dawn. How much did you watch Red Dawn? I watched about 20 minutes of it. Did you get to the, did you get to my favorite part? The avenge me boys. I did.

I did. I did. Yeah. It's the best. Yeah. It's, I mean, it's pretty cool. And it did make me kind of want to go out in the woods and build a four. Absolutely.

Been doing some deep dive on, on, on Patrick Swayzey lately, too. Dirty dancing I watched recently. I watched recently again with the wife. I mean, you'd be hard pressed to replicate a run that good. So good. From Dirty Dancing to Roadhouse to Next of Kinn to Ghost. Red Dawn was before

Dirty Dancing, but and you could pepper that in there, but then Point Break. Yes, he did a movie called Steel Dawn. Do you remember that? Steel Dog. Dawn. Steele Dawn. He was and he was a futuristic kind of post-acalyptic. I've never seen it. I was a big Patrick Swayze fan

because of that run that you just mentioned. Yeah. And I saw it because of that. It was, I haven't seen it in years. I'm sure it's terrible, but I remember loving it when I was a kid. They did a fan casting in Electronic Gaming Monthly. For Steele Dawn. For the Street Fighter movie, before the Street Fighter movie even announced, they did like a, like just like, who would we want to have play Who?

Yeah. And Van Dam was in it as Vega. They cast him as Vega. And I think that's partially the hard target, the long hair. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And they had Patrick Swayze as Ken. And I'm like, that is dynamite casting. Absolutely is.

Speaking of Ken, I got to do this before we leave. I got to try. You're going to call him? I got to ask him why he was there. Now, do we think he's going to pick up? Probably not, right? Let me try. No, I think he...

At this point, I'm going to say no. My guess of why he was there was Riley, and Riley must have convinced him to go see it because they were covering out on the show. I honestly think he just wanted to go out and see a motion picture, yeah. No, but he doesn't go to those... I don't go that much anymore? Yeah, but he didn't go when life was normal.

He's not going to know. He's not going to pick up. He might. We'll find out in a second. He might because he was telling me about the chocolates and stuff. In Solvang? In Carmel. No, he was telling me, where was he? There was chocolates in Solvang. The whole town is named.

Carmel. He's not picking up. Oh, you should have left it. The message? Don't call him back. Don't call him back. But like, I don't know. I wish I could give everybody Napsox number just so they could call it.

So he wouldn't answer. His voicemail leave is the most prototypical Ken Naps, Napsock. Ever. Smell leave. Can't talk. Can't talk. Leave it.

It's just so belieger, 1990s. You've always loved that. I just saw singles. Yes. Oh, it's good. I love grunge rock.

You know what I want to talk to you about on Monday? Ah. Do you remember strange magic? This is what he does, by the way, because he's trying to rope me into coming back. I know,

but do you remember strange magic? The George Lucas, uh, fantasy animated film, yes. You remember us not really liking it that much? I thought it was okay. You didn't like it.

I'd like to go back and watch that review. Um, I think that movie was ahead of its time. It's also maybe because I've heard the soundtrack now a thousand times. The kiddo's watching it? My three and a half year old is obsessed with it. If I have to hear it,

if I have to hear it fucking Kristen Chenna was saying, one more time. I'm going to lose my mind, but you're not going to hear me lose my mind on this show. Wait, why is it ahead of its time? Because I think the biggest problem we had with that movie. That you had. I think you had a problem too.

We're going to watch the review. Was the music that of them taking, making modern or popular music and using it as if it was part of the, the legend, the atmosphere, the storytelling. I'm going to go out on a limb. You folks at home can watch the Strange Magic Review. I'm going to say that was a you problem. It might be. And I bet I compared it to a Knight's Tale.

I have to go, maybe you did, but I have to go and check that out because I remember not having that problem with trolls. And trolls was very successful. Yeah. And trolls had a much better reaction. Strange Magic didn't do it. didn't do very well. It's not a bad movie. It's not a bad movie.

Thank you. But we'll talk. Trying to tell the guy this for six years. And maybe again, it's because I have kids. But we'll talk a little bit more about it. My kids on Monday. But not right now, ladies and gentlemen. It's time for us to get the hell out of here.

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