The Kristian Harloff Show - BOB IGER IS BACK! CHAPEK FIRED IN BIG DISNEY SHAKEN UP | Disney | Marvel | Star Wars

Episode Date: November 21, 2022

Massive story broke last night as Bob Iger has been brought back to run Disney once again after retiring last year. Bob Chapek has seemed to be relieved of his duties. What does this mean for the future of Disney and how long will he stick around. Indiana Jones will be de-aged in the new James Mangold film and why did She Said not deliver at the box office? Join Kristian Harloff on this episode of The Big Thing! #BobIger #disney #marvel #StarWars ESTABLISHED TITLES: They are now running a Black Friday Sale. Go to https://establishedtitles.com/BIGTHING and get an additional 10% off on any purchase with code BIGTHING. Thanks to Established Titles for sponsoring this video! ROMAN: Go to ro.com/BIGTHING THANKS TO CARBON HEALTH! http://www.carbonhealth.com OUR MERCH STORE IS LIVE: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/the-big-thing-kh-channel?ref_id=27393 AMAZON WISHLIST: https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/1KPH42T0TP0PG?ref=cm_sw_em_r_un_un_djbxgIW5ZQMMg PATREON: http://www.patreon.com/thebigthingshow SCHMOEDOWN ARCHIVE CHANNEL: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheMovieTriviaSchmoedownArchives Ask Kristian questions for next time! https://facebook.com/harloff Become a Patreon of the Schmoedown: http://patreon.com/schmoedown OTHER GREAT CONTENT: REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT368qY7sfE0nKE4c04CqGvu TV REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT1LU-t2Z9AD5UJDiWW4pS_E STAR WARS SHOW https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT0XmfpbblkF9PY7uO2qhbN6 THE BIG THING PODCAST https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT3KAwbzDsv6mdR-gwUiydQg FOLLOW KRISTIAN + FIND HIM ON CAMEO https://cameo.com/kristianharloff https://twitter.com/kristianharloff https://facebook.com/harloff https://instagram.com/kristianharloff Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Well, well, well, well, well, well. Interesting. Wow. Boom. So many texts and tweets and tags from everybody. Everybody was tweeting and texted it and tagging everybody last night. Massive news. You saw the title of this video, obviously.

Whether you're listening on audio or whether you're watching on the YouTube's. Bob Chepeck, Gounski, Bob Eiger, Baxki. I don't want to hear this talk. I haven't read the article yet, by the way. I'm going to, I'll read it with you guys on the air. That's kind of the point of this show. I mean, I know that, I know the basics. But I don't want to hear how Chapec decided, if they say it in the article,

that he decided he's going to, it just, it's time for him to go. He's going to go tan his head or something. I don't know. He'd get fired. Why? Because Disney lost so much money in stocks and he was just, a guy was not fit to lead. We know that.

But I wonder how they're going to, how they're going to spin it. what happened again, and I might change my tune after reading the article, but what it seems like what happened was, hey man, you left too early. I know you wanted to take your presidential run or whatever you wanted to do. You got to come back. This guy's a disaster. Look at these numbers.

Please, I'm begging you. Come back. And, you know, people are asking, what does this mean for Kathleen Kennedy? What does this mean? Who knows yet? We'll have to take a look. And we'll get into it. We'll get into all of it through the article.

Now, because of that, I don't know how many other topics I'm going to be able to cover it today. I mean, I have other ones. Indiana Jones, they're doing like a deep fake of Harrison Ford in the beginning of the movie. Now, how that's going to turn out? I don't know. How they're going to do it?

I don't know. Am I getting to the article today? I don't know. There's so much to talk about with this IGR stuff. So this might be the whole entire episode. I don't know yet, guys. I'm not sure. But what I do know is I'm very excited, by the way,

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and or today. That'll be a little later on today around 3 p.m. PST. All right, that's it. Let's get into this thing today, man. It's the big thing. It is all about Iger. All about Iger. It sounds like a movie that they're going to do.

All about Iger. And let's get into it right now. It's the big thing. Thanks for joining me here today. But I'm a lonesome. I appreciate you. I appreciate you. Stalling and.

until I find the logo. There it is. What's going on, everybody? Welcome back. Big thing. And this is a big thing. Holy crap, this is a big thing. It's a massive thing. It's one of the biggest stories to drop. It's like all these little things that keep dropping. The James Gunn story not too long ago, and people are asking me why I didn't do a news piece last night when it dropped.

Well, there's a couple of reasons. One, this is a massive, massive story that I'm probably going to talk. about for more than like 15 minutes. Two, I wasn't moving last night. I wasn't moving. God bless the people who were running around making the videos last night. I couldn't do it.

I couldn't do it. I was watching, I watched Disenchanted with the family, which is another reason. I don't want to say, hey, sorry, kids. Sit here and watch the squirrel sing. I'm going to go do a video about two old dudes. No, I didn't do it. That was part one.

Then part two is, well, why don't you do it when the kids went to sleep? Because I was finishing dark. I finally finished it. So those people who don't know, I've been watching Dark. You're brand new to the channel. By the way, if you're brand new to the channel, I didn't ask you that. Hey, I want to check this guy, talk about the Iger situation. And he hasn't said, shit yet.

Well, check, subscribe, and then we'll get into it. That's what I'm waiting for. I'm waiting for you guys to subscribe to the channel. But I finished Dark on Netflix. What a great show. Holy shit, that was a good show. The third season, was getting me a little nervous because it's very, it's, it's the most dense. And you'll definitely,

I even, I got a little confused here and there. And then it all made sense once you, you get to the end of it. But I was like, well, wait, that person did that and that and that. Wait, huh? What? Huh. And especially with the subtitles, but when you see how it concludes, I thought it was a great conclusion. I thought it was a great conclusion. It really felt like a, like a three-season movie. The whole thing just seemed like a big movie. And the way that it ended, I was satisfied. A lot of times these movies, shows they can't deliver on the season finale. And I thought three seasons is perfect. I remember originally I was like, oh, man, three seasons, they cut it short.

And I don't know, it was, it was lined up. And the inevitable question that you probably have already started writing in the comment section. Well, have you checked out their new series 1899? Not yet. Just finished dark. But I'm going to get into 1899. I'm hearing, I'm hearing it's easier to binge than dark.

I don't know. I binge a lot. I mean, I watched a lot of dark. I mean, I finished what I, when I started talking about the show three weeks ago, finished it done finito speaking of finito let's talk about this story man bob eiger is back ladies and gentlemen back a CEO bob eiger let's get into it's i'm gonna go right into it i'm gonna i'm gonna read it down we'll stop we'll talk a bunch of different things this kind of hit out of nowhere last night people are losing their minds as

they should be this is a crazy story man has some deadline big story who broke this story by the way I think this is Dominic Patton and Dade Hayes. Are they the ones who broke it? Seems like it. I don't know. Maybe they did. We'll find that in a second. After less than a year in retirement,

Bob Eager has returned as a CEO of the Walt Disney Company. A year. This guy, Chapek, ate it after a year. Don't give me, I can't wait to hear what the excuses. Just say the excuse. Why is he leaving? Because he stinks. He stinks.

Even that stupid comment he made not too long ago about animated is just for kids. You know, kids go to sleep. Nobody watches animated. What are you talking about? Dumb thing to say. Anyway, after less than a year in retirement, Bob Eager's returned, and the company's board has sent on a notice that Bob is back. A recently up Bob Chepec is out.

I'm deeply honored to be asked to lead again. to again lead this remarkable team with a clear mission focused on creative excellence to inspire generations through unrivaled bold storytelling, aka Jepic fucked up. Arger wrote tonight in an e-pail. He wrote an e-pail. He said, I'm creating the e-pail. It's basically a, it's when you're, the guy that you choose to help you out and let you retire, fucks up.

It's called an e-pail. Having handed it over the baton as CEO in February 2020 to Chepec, a stunning move onto itself at the time and then serving as an executive chairman until the end of 2021, Iger will be a CEO for a second time for the next two years, the company says. His mission will be including identifying successor, something Iger had a difficulty doing while commanding the troops the last time, postponing multiple plans to step down during his 15 years in the top job, the final stage of a 47-year run at Disney. All right. The board has concluded that as Disney embarks on an increasingly complex period of industry transformation, Bob Eiger is uniquely situated to lead the company through this pivotal period, said board chair Susan Arnold in the official announcement. Just a couple of weeks after a rougher than expected quarterly earnings report by the company.

I mean, right? Once an overachiever, Boybeck's success in streaming, Disney stock has recently sunk to a multi-year low after executives warned of wreak revenue and profit gains in the year to come and also hefty expenses for streaming. The company's shares have lost roughly 40% in 2022 to date. Gross. In the email to employees, Iger said he shared the news of his return with an incredible sense of gratitude and humility, and I must have been a bit of amazement,

providing no details on the rehire that came together very quickly over the past few days, the once and now CEO added that Disney holds a special place in the hearts of people around the globe, thanks to you and your dedication to this company and its mission to bring joy to people through storytelling and inspiration to every single day. The community did acknowledge Chepec with whom Iger reportedly had a rocky relationship with the transition of power. Given the considerable turbulence expected by Disney since Iger left the corner office and also given his well-earned reputation of being a smooth and diplomatic,

as a leader as chip, it could be awkward in a blithe one. Iger was repeatedly asked if he would consider an encore. He was always steadfastly refused, recently citing his new phase as an investor and industry observer with a lot more time on his hands. At 71 years old, though, he is certainly not what is considered automatic retirement age in a business sector when many CEOs are active into their eighties and beyond.

Rubin Murdoch, coincidentally, one of Disney's largest shareholders, is 91 and still chair of Fox Corps. and executive chair of News Corp. I don't miss my job. Iger declared during a September sit-down at the Code Reference, retirement is great. Yada, yada, yada. I have a vastly different life than before, much more air in my day.

No one ever took Iger's denials all that seriously, considering that he was a top executive who had defied skeptics, including on the company's board when he took over for predecessor Michael Eisner and then gone to preside over the acquisitions of Pixar, Marvel, Lucasfilm, His crowning M&A deal was the 71.3 billion purchase of the most 21st century Fox in 2019, a transaction whose potential value is still in the process of being unlocked. Watch the space, though, as Avatar sequel grosses come in next month, and Disney's option to buy out Comcast, Hulosteak is exercised.

Cheape. Join Disney in 1993 after a stunt in the advertising business going on to the company's home and entertainment at Parks Division before surprising most in the entire media and entertainment industry by getting the nod to become CEO. Kevin Mayer, who had steered strategic planning and then overseen the company's streaming efforts

and the successful launch of Disney Plus was seen as a more likely successor than Chepec. Mayor wasn't the only heir apparent to get passed over. Tom Staggs, who was a top executive at the designated CEO in waiting, was eventually cut loose by Iger before his coordination. Mayor and Staggs, their relationship forged

and the fires at Burbank now run candle media and investment firm backed by private equity firm Blackstone. Okay. A lot to keep going on here. As COVID swept across the world in 2020, Chapin managed to keep Disney from disaster, despite the complete closure of theme parks, movie theaters, and live sports, gradually winning the guarded confidence of investors.

He had rougher sledding over his final year in the top job. The company was facing an increasingly expensive and difficult slog in streaming, though Disney Plus continued to be a growth engine. Chapic also presided over the explosive situation in Florida involved with the company efforts to head off the states, don't say gay legislation. The company's opposition to the bill led to retribution by Governor Ron DeSantis, who mocked the company as awoke Disney,

prompted waves of negative attention from conservative media. Internally, many employees were stung by what they viewed as betrayal. Iger had tweeted his opposition to the bill before Chepic did. and he indicated in press interviews that he believed the company and its leadership could have spoken out against the legislation more expeditiously. Workers held widespread walkouts to express their feelings about how Disney had handled the whole affair and winning back their trust became an uphill battle for Chepec. We were reminded through the passion of our cast's reaction how important their sentiments are on this issue. Chapec recalled last month at a Wall Street Journal conference, the lesson he learned about navigation navigating thorny political matters.

Stick to your values, to your North Starz. Another misstep, which people in the industry believe that would never happen on his predecessors. Watch was publicly clashing with Scarlett Johansson over the release of Black Widow. This is a big one as well. The Marvel movie had gone through the premier access window at Chepec innovation during the pandemic

that has been used in more than a year. That hasn't been used, excuse me. Meaning it was available for an extra charge on Disney Plus at the same time it hit theater. the actress sued over breach of contracts, saying the method of release had cost her tens of millions in back-end payments. Disney hit back hard, calling Johansson's suit especially sad and distressing in callous disregard for the horrific and prolonged global efforts for the COVID-19 pandemic. While the suit was settled a few weeks later, the fight and particularly the sharp-cloth statements aimed at an A-list star became a significantly, excuse me, significant talking point in the company's overall dealings with talent. JPEC also abruptly dismissed TV chief Peter Rice with minimal explanation, a move that similarly unsettled the creative community. Even in the company Parks Unit, which they're really pissing in his face right now, as he is as he should be.

Even in the company's Parks Unit, which he once ran. And when I say that, pissing in his face, just reading off what he's done. So, shape a corded controversy with price hikes and a way of complex interlocking new offerings like Lightning Lanes, Disney, Jeannie, and Disney Magic Key. He also infamously blamed an unfavorable attendance mix for limiting parks profitability, rallying some magic key holders who figured he was talking out because he didn't spend as much. You know what I'm going to try to do. I'm going to see.

I know how much. I know Campi's going to talk about it on his show. Let's see if I can get him to talk about this real quick. He's probably not going to pick up, but we'll see. I'm very curious because I know he's going to be losing his mind over this. Let's see. See if we can get him. It's an Ivan ring.

Perfect. My phone. Perfect. Let's try this. I got to get his thoughts. Thank you for calling. Let's try this one. Great radio.

Yeah, well, that didn't work out. Let me see if I can. Anyway, I'm very curious to hear it. He says, I'll have to watch a show later. But the Walt Disney Company announced today that Robert Eiger is returning to lead as chief executive officer. Effective immediately. Mr. Eiger, who spent more than four decades at the company, including 15 years as the CEO has agreed to serve as Disney CEO for two years

with a mandate from the board to set the strategic direction for renewed growth to work closely with the board in development, his successor to lead a company at the completion of his term. Mr. Iger succeeds Chepec who has stepped down from his position. Yeah, they said, beat it, Chapeck. We thank Bob Chapeck for his surface to Disney over his long career, including navigating the company

through the unprecedented challenges of the pandemic. That's classy at least, said Susan Arnold, chairman of the board. The board has concluded that as Disney embarks on an increasingly complex period of industry transformation, Bob Iger is uniquely situated to lead the company through this pivotal period. I mean, good on them for understanding it, too. What they could have done is a lot of times they do this thing, companies in general, where they just, well, we made the decision, we got to stick with it, we got to do this. And I honestly think, and we're going to get to this, too, I think that's kind of where we are with Lucasfilm at the moment, right? Now, people keep asking us

and I don't know if they're going to get to it or not. Someone asked me today, is Kathleen Kennedy, you think she's gone? No, I don't. You remember, when Kathleen Kennedy was part of the acquisition, when Lucas named her the successor, that was under Iger's watch, you know. They have a good relationship, at least from what I hear. I don't necessarily know if she's going to continue on past her contract, which I think ends in 2025, I think,

which probably right when the new movie comes out or a year before the new movie comes out, should probably oversee it. And we'll get into that a little bit more. I'm sure, maybe we will, maybe we will. I don't know. It's a long article and it's a good article. So I really want to get into the meat of it in general

because that's why, you know, good on them for realizing, look, this just isn't the guy. He's not, we're losing, money in stock, we're losing this. We're, I mean, where people don't like this, dude. He's just, he was, and he had a really good career as far as he's, there's some people who are just not fit for the chair. And it's, you look at like Game of Thrones when you look at it.

There's just some people who just think they can be king, but they're just not fit to be king. They don't have that thing. Bob Iger has that thing. I, I had met by Byriger once. And he just carried. this thing about him. You're just like, that's the guy.

Like, that's the guy. And you look, and if you read his book, and you see, like, the way he carries himself, I almost, I wanted to see what he would do in a run for president. I mean, I don't know if I would vote it for him or not. I didn't hear his speeches. I didn't hear, you know, some people go, I would have voted for him.

You don't know what he was. You didn't see him in the debate stage. You didn't see him talking. You didn't see what his policies all the way through were. So you can't, I mean, I think it's silly just to say, well, I like that guy. He should be, president. But I would like to see what he would have done in his run to become president. Now,

that doesn't necessarily mean he's a two-year contract. It doesn't necessarily mean he won't do it. And people are, well, he's never been in politics before. Well, we've seen over the last, you know, a couple of years, you don't necessarily have to be involved in politics to win the chair. But that's a different conversation altogether. He's got this chair again. He's got, he's the king of Disney once again. Now, what does it mean? What's it mean for streaming? What's it mean for You better bet your ass, though, he's going to, he is, as far as Lucasfilm goes, he's going to push for those Star Wars. Now, one of his big mistakes in Star Wars was pushing solo out in May. That's all him.

And he admits that. That was all him. So I'm wondering what he's going to do with, I mean, obviously with Star Wars, that's my, that's my selfish part of it. He's got a lot more to do than just Star Wars. I mean, he's got to, I mean, what's he going to do with Marvel? What's he going to do with streaming? Two years, though. We talked about this with Gun and Safran.

Two years is not a lot of time. That's not a lot of time. Like, everything that he did, I mean, you look at the heavy stuff that he did, you look at like 2011 until like, it was about 10 year period. Because 2012 is when the big thing happened with Lucas, when he was able to get Lucasfilm. I think it happened in between the 2011-2012 period. But then everything else that the MCU really took off throughout.

that Ironman came out in 2008 or whenever it came out, 2009, 2008, I believe, whatever. But the point is, it's the growth of all of it started to happen during that time period. Two years is nothing. Two years is nothing. Maybe what it is is that there's a lot of, there's a lot that could be said with this. Do they have him, you know, come in here and just basically for two years, try to, build somebody to shadow him and say, look, I can't have, we, we don't want another trap back

on our hands. Like, let's build somebody up here. Help us out. Help us find your guy or girl or woman, excuse me, man or woman. And say, look, here we go. This is the person now. But it could also be like, hey, come in for two years. See if, you know, maybe there's a couple more things you need to do.

and then we'll re-up you. Come on in, please, stick around for a little bit more, hold off on that run, you know, and we'll see. Very curious. All right,

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Yes, I'd be interested. Of course I would. I watch House of the Drag. Second. All right, anyway, back to the show. How about that? That's awesome. I was excited when they reached out. I was wanted to do that. And now I showed you. I showed you the little certificate. I am a lord. Lord Harlov. How about that? I'm very excited. Okay. Let's get back into this article, man. Like I said, this is going to be the show. And I'm cool with it because there's so much, this is a massive story. So excited to see what the hell this guy's going to do again. All right. Back to it. Mr. Iger has a deep. respect of Disney's senior leadership team, most of whom he were closely with until his departure, his executive chairman, 11 months ago. And he's greatly admired by Disney employees worldwide,

all of which will allow for a seamlessly transition of leadership. The position of chairman of the board remains unchanged with Ms. Arnold serving that capacity. I am extremely, stop that. I am extremely optimistic for the future of this great company and thrilled to be asked by the board to return as its CEO, Mr. Eiger said, Disney, and its incomparable brands and franchises hold a special place in the hearts for so many people around the globe, most, especially in the hearts of our employees, whose dedication to this company and its mission is an inspiration. I am deeply honored to be asked to lead again this remarkable team with a clear mission focused on creative excellence to inspire generous generations through unrivaled, bold

storytelling. And now during his 15 years as CEO from 2005 to 2020, so I guess he did get, yeah, obviously he did get Marvel, so never mind. Mr. Iger helped build Disney into one of the most successful and admired media and entertainment companies with strategic vision, focused on creative excellence, technological innovation, and international growth. He expanded on Disney's legacy of unparalleled storytelling with the acquisitions of Pixar, Marvel, Lucasoma, 21st Century Fox,

and increased the company's market capitalization, full during his time as CEO. So I guess the only time you can, the only way you can actually replace Bob Iger to go, who's going to be better than Bob Iger is Bob Iger? They replaced his dude and that guy's not better than Bob Iger. Who can we get that's better than Bob Iger? How about Bob Iger? Okay, we'll get Bob Iger.

So Mr. Arger continued to direct Disney's creative endeavors until his departure as executive chairman last December and the company's robust pipeline of content is a testament to his leadership and vision. Is that it? It can't be good. That's it? Wait a minute. That's how it ends?

That's a weird way that's how the freaking ends? How does that end? Stupid. That's how it ends? Okay. Let's see what they say on dark horizons. It can't be right. See if there's anything else.

This is over at Dark Horizons now. The news comes a couple weeks after a rougher than expected quarterly earnings. We knew that email from Bob Iger. We got that. I guess that's it. Okay. All right. Well, let's do speculation then.

Let's get into it. So what does this mean overall? I mean, I'm so curious what it means. Because if you look at, I mean, it's so easy for me to say, hey, you know, this guy, Cheapig just screwed the whole thing up. So now they didn't know what else to do. So they went back and got Iger. I mean, it's ultimately what happened, but it's, I think it's a really smart move. Again, just to go back to what I said earlier.

It's like, how do you, how do you, how do you, I just, I don't know, I really, I mean, you know who I'm going to call about this? I'm going to call Kevin Smets. I feel that Smetsy has a, has a good take on this, but I want to see what he says. Let's see if I can get him. It's early, but he's got kids, so he might be up. Let's see. See if I can get him.

I'm curious of what his take is on. this. Let's see what he says. It might not be up. Or they might not pick up. Nobody's picking up right now. It's early in the morning. Let's see. Nobody. It's that early in the morning that no one's picking up right now. But I'm going to try one more time and see what we can do here.

Let's see. One more shot. Ticket sales. Ticket sales? What are you talking about? Ticket sales. Try this. Let's see. I'm so curious to get the. takes here what people are thinking.

Hello? Hey, John. It's, hey, I'm on, I'm recording, but I wanted to get your take on this. Oh, boy. Yeah, and I know you're going to go, my show will probably come out after yours anyway, but I have, I got to get a couple thoughts because you, you hate, as you call him, paycheck. You hate it. And I was, I was looking at this and I said, I'm, I'm so, and make sure, by the way,

everybody, you got to, John's going to have a very long conversation about this. I'm sure as he should, and I'll be tuning in. You should be tuning in, too. But I got to get your thoughts on, I like the fact that Disney didn't do what a lot of companies do. And a lot of companies will say, hey, you know what? We're going to stick with this guy. We made the decision. Let's just see what he can do.

They said, this guy's losing to so much money in stocks. He's done this. He's not a good leader. He says things overall, get lost. We're bringing back the guy. So what are your thoughts on this? Because I'm sure you're having a party. I almost wept, tears of joy.

Let me be very, very clear. For all, I don't just like Bob Chaypec as a person. For all I know, he is the sweetest, this kindest, wonderful man, all that kinds of. And to be here, oh, they lose him already. When they hired him, I was like, you know what, on paper, this is a good hire. He's a company man. He's been there for a lot of years. I think this is going to be great.

And even when all the mistakes were being made, and I started to sour on him, I said, well, you know what, you still, it doesn't matter. You got to give the guy probably, you know, about three years. You got to give him three years to see how it's going to turn out. And you got to keep in mind that he took over this company under the most impossible circumstances imaginable. Sure. The production was shut down. Disney cruises were shut down. Disney parks were shut down.

And it's under this apocalypse that he took over. That said, he has done nothing but undue decades of progress at the company. One of his first major moves was doing an org reshot. that completely stripped a lot of the studio heads of their authority and power. He created new layers of middle management. He put bankers in roles of making creative decisions. He created a new position at the company where this position got to make the decision about what content the studios would make and where that content would go,

taking it away from the individual studio heads. The whole stuff with Scarlett Johansson was a giant mess. Decisions to take Pixar films from theatrical release, and dumping them on Disney Plus and, you know, whether you want to get into Florida stuff as well, which is very unpopular with his own employees. To the recent overreaction, you know, we saw that they, just last week,

he made this big announcement about how they were cutting, spending on marketing, production, staff, travel, like all these types of things. An overreactionist does rather than a somebody who tries to plan ahead and be prepared. Right. And here's the thing. I guarantee that within the next six months, we're going to find out about another issue because this happened very suddenly.

They had just restored. They just renewed his three-year deal. Oh, wow. And so, you know, whether I've heard some whispers about what it might be, but I have nothing to back it up with, so I don't even say it. But it's clear something else happened that had to call what they're defining as an emergency board meeting. where they made the decision to relieve Bob. Like, you don't do that.

You don't renew the contract of the guy. Just, what was it a month or two ago? I can't remember. But if you were already planning on showing him the door, but, I mean, it had to happen. The stock was dropping. Yeah, there's just too many, there were too many moves that were happening

that you were like, okay. But, you know, you say something very interesting. It's one of it, because it was pretty known that Iger had publicly kind of said a couple things and made, public statements before Chepec did when he wasn't even in the damn seat, right? And he would address things and he would say things. And it was kind of whispered that Eiger was not a fan of anything Cheapac was doing. So you got to wonder also if Bob, and I mentioned this very similar to the Game of Thrones.

There are some people who are just not fit for the throne, right? And Eiger always had the influence and always had the stuff. So the questions, what were the conversations he was having, you know, while this was going on? but I got to ask you this, though, too. Do you, because now I said that, you know, Gunn and Safran have a four-year contract, and I said, that's really not a lot. All that's really going to do is give them the opportunity

in that four years to put a couple things out to prove their worth, right? And then if they want to keep the job, they'll continue on. Four years, they'll be able to try something. Two years for Eiger, we know that what he's proven and what he's done, but two years isn't really that much time to do. Is he just in there to find somebody that's better than, you know,

Chaypec or is he there to say okay let me stick around for two years and maybe I'll re-up again well I mean first thing you understand is that for executive for C-level executives or something like that two three and four year initial deal as CEO of Disney his when initially signed up was a three-year contract right so it's not terribly unusual in the case of gun and stuff with with Iger this is a veto not veto this is a Michael Corleone every time I think I'm out they drag me back in And the dude is well past retirement age, and I think he wants retirement. I think this is going to be a two-year limit.

He's going to take two years. The statement that the Disney board put out was, hey, listen, we need to get our direction reset. So he's going to have two jobs. One is to get Disney back on track and reset their direction moving forward for the new paradigm that we live in. The second is going to be finding a new replacement. And I would argue that maybe Bob Iger's biggest mistake as CEO Disney was hiring a Bob Chappek. But again, I can't criticize too much because even to me on paper, I thought that looked like a perfectly fine hire. But yeah, I think it's two years and then he gets to go back to the beach.

I think it's two years and then he gets to retire again. But there's going to be a lot to do in two years. And with Chapak, it wasn't really just two years. Remember, we are two and a half months away from his three-year anniversary of getting the job. So it was closer to three years. than two. So he almost got, and that's the other reason why I think that there was something else that happened that we don't know about. He was only like two and a half months away from the expiration of his original deal. Now it's already been extended, granted, but this came out of nowhere.

I'm dying to find out what that extra little X factor was. Same. Last question before, I'm going to be prepping for your show. So, you know, I'm sure you're going to get it a million times over as I already have, too. Kathleen Kennedy now, right, with, with, now I'm, I've always on the assumption, they have a really good relationship, both Iger and Kathleen Kennedy. I think people are jumping the gun. Oh, she's, her job's in jeopardy now. I don't think that that's the case at all. I know that her contract, I think, ends in 2025.

I don't necessarily, I think that it's going to be a little bit tougher for her on the re-up this time, but that's the case. But I don't think her jobs in jeopardy at all. What do you think? I think you raised the main point there. Iger is an ally. Right. So, I mean, one of the big conversation pieces that I've seen going around to as well, you know,

now Disney's going to let Kathleen Kennedy go because, you know, you can't excuse going this long in between putting out Star Wars movies. They put out, they put $4 billion in this, blah, blah, blah. But from everything I've heard, the limit and the moratorium on Star Wars theatrical releases was a Botte Sheapec directed. So, I mean, now whether that's true or not, I mean, maybe that'll come on Bob Chapex memoir someday. So I think she's going to be safe until the expiration of her contract, but I've said for a long time, I don't think she makes it beyond her current contract. I think she gets the end of her current contract. She will then move on.

She'll get a really big, fat, delicious production deal, first look production deal with Disney and Lucasfilm. And she'll go back to doing what she's one of the best in the world of doing, which is just producing movies because, you know, unfortunately, even though she was another hire that I was completely behind, it's turned out that this isn't the right job. Her, like you said, it's a Game of Thrones thing. It's just the throne didn't suit her.

Yeah. I think she's a better leader than Chabell. was, but I just don't think that the creative strategy behind it is the, is the best way forward for her. Completely agreed. Yeah. Completely agree. All right, John. So, thank you again for taking the time.

Make sure you check out John's show. Obviously, go to the John Campia channel and check out the John Campia show. And I'll be on that show hopefully next week. So, John, thank you, man. I appreciate you. And we'll talk soon. No problem. See, see you next week.

Bye. Yeah, man. See, it's, obviously, I had to get his take because he is, he's been pretty outspoken about this for a while about it. And I agree with him. I think that he's right on paper. It looks like it could be the right choice. But overall, I don't know, man.

I don't know. This is very interesting. And I also, I mean, I think we're on the same page with the Kathleen Kennedy situation. All right. I mean, that's a lot. I'm so curious of what you guys think overall. I mean, I'm sure that the comments are going to be flooded. I got to get everybody's thoughts.

I mean, I always, if you're brand new to the channel and you see that I go through and I go through the comments and I answer people back and I talk to them and I try to get the whole thing. So I got to get your thoughts on this. Overall, if you've never commented ever before in this channel, if you've never commented on YouTube at all, comment today. And obviously click the like button, but comment today because I want to get your thoughts. I want to hear what people think. Do you think that they should have let Chepeg go for a little bit longer

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All right. Dark Horizons. Indy. Deaged Ford in the fifth Indiana Jones opening. So more details are emerging about the fifth Indiana Jones film ahead of an expected trailer drop within the next few weeks. As part of the Empire Magazine cover story this month, the outlet spoke with director James Mangold, who discussed the new films.

opening sequence saying he used the opportunity to do something quite special. It is big shoes to fill, considering the previous four had some iconic screen moments. Four? Ranging from the Shanghai Poison and Diamond Fights in Temple of Doom to a young indie in one of the early adventures in the last crusade, Mangold says, I want the chance to dive into this kind of full-on George and Steve an old picture and give that audience that adrenaline blast. I love that. The result is a set piece that jumps 25 years earlier in the main narrative from

1969 to 1944, around six years after the last crusade. That's awesome. The opening scene also involves a castle swarming with Nazis and Ford made young again by de-aging technology. I have questions about that. New ILM software used a ton of archive material of the younger Ford and matched it to a freshly shot footage and melded the two to result a high quality digital young Ford. Kathleen Kennedy adds, we're dropping you into an adventure, something Indy is looking for, and instantly you have that feeling I'm in an Indiana Jones movie. Ford says he's impressed by the de-aging tech. It's the first time I've seen it where I believe it.

It's a little spooky. I don't think I even want to know how it works, but it works. It doesn't make me want to be young, though. I'm glad to have earned my age. What a great comment by Ford. Okay. So I buy that. But here's my question.

Now, I'd like to, I mean, this is one of the questions. I hope someone asked in an interview or if I'm lucky enough to get an interview myself. Now, you know, when all that stuff was going on about motion capture, performance capture, you know, and there's a total difference, but people didn't really know the difference. So they always, if it was performance capture, they called it motion capture. Is this the same thing for like de-aging and deep fake? Is it the same thing? Is this deep fake or is this de-aging? Because there's two different things. De-aging is more so in what we've seen. And like, so de-aging was Luke Skywalker in the Mandalorian end of season two. Deep fake was

Luke Skywalker in Boba Fett. I thought Deep Fake worked a thousand times better. Now, that's not to say that the de-aging technology isn't getting better. Now, I think that they did de-aging for Stallone in that Samaritan, which was terrible. One of the worst de-agings, I think. It looked like the freaking Scorpion King, for God's sakes, in 2001 or whatever it was. And that can't happen anymore, and it did. Now, there's other stuff.

Now, you look at like, I still think, and people don't. don't talk about it as much anymore because it's from 2015, or I think 2015. Antman, the Michael Douglas, either de-aging, I'm pretty sure he's de-aging, that looks great. I mean, that looks great. I'm about to watch Guardians 2 again, because I'm doing a re-watch with my daughter on the MCU, or me rewatch her first time. And I remember the Kurt Russell one being pretty good, but technology gets better and better, no matter what it is. It gets better and better and better every time. So I don't, I don't doubt that

the deaging could get better. I'm just curious if it's deaging and deep fake. They brought in the deep fake guy at Lucasfilm. Why wouldn't you use them? Is what I'm curious about. So I wonder, is it deep fake or is it de-aging? Either way, I like, I like that we're doing that. I think that's a great idea if it works and you have the technology to do it. But it also starts to ask another question. It also starts to ask another question. If it looks really good, I mean, if it looks really, really good and they're able to do it, do we see a young Indiana Jones in that TV show that they're talking about, whether it is about Abner Ravenwood or not?

That's the big question. Is like, do you don't really need to recast anymore? You just get somebody, whoever you got to play young Indiana Jones in this movie, and then you're going to deage them anyway to Harrison Ford. Do you do that? There are tons of people. Who could do his voice and not just an impression to do a performance. I mean, I'm looking at Jamie Costa.

I'm looking at Anthony and Gruber. And yeah, they do impressions, but they also do performances. And if you needed his voice to do it. And look, they've got this program now where they're doing the thing with the voice. Now, I don't think that the thing with the voice works yet. I think that they're really far away from that, although I thought it worked for Vader, but Vader has a mechanical thing about him. So people don't know what the fuck I'm talking about.

It's like it's essentially deep fake for voices, right? Where what we're able to do now, or what we're able to do, what they're able to do now is like Luke Skywalker. That was Mark Hamill's voice, but it wasn't Mark Hamill doing the actual dialogue. It was they pumped in like his audio and then they. They had this program that was able to use his voice and do it. And I think that Luke Skywalker stuff sounded too, okay, Grogue, you are going to be doing this. He didn't have any motion to him.

Now, Vader, Vader, Vader sounded great. Young Vader, young James Earl Jones, that's the way you do Vader from now on. And they even said that that's what they're going to do because it works. It's mechanical. It works. Now, I'm not, again, not saying that they're not going to fix this down the line.

They very well could. and maybe that's how you get, you know, Harrison Ford, but I think you can get people to do his voice and get the actual motion out of it. Once again, I'm looking at Jamie Coste over here. All right, let's see. Is there anything else to talk about before we call it a day? There's a lot.

There's a lot. Bruce Campbell says, Stephen's Scholl. Oh, yeah, you wanted to talk about this. Where is it? So the movie she said came out over the weekend, and it didn't do very well. And apparently it's a great movie. It's a very important movie, obviously,

but it did very poorly at the box office. And so this is from, I think, Garth Franklin? Yes, at Dark Horizons. Part of the reason, cinema seemed to be in the indulgencies these days isn't so much about blockbusters dominating the multiplexes as much as the counter-programming and adult fare struggling to be commercially viable in the streaming age.

Universal Picture just released, she said, which follows two New York Times journalists who helped expose Harvey Weinstein's decade of sexual harassment and assault scored very solid reviews and has been the subject of awards chatter. However, it bombed on opening a weekend, taking an utterly dismal 2.2 million this weekend. That's less than half of predictions a week ago

and makes it one of the worst results in history for a wide theatrical release for a major studio. As with any high-profile flop, questions are now arising as to what about who and what is to blame. Sean Robbins, chief analyst with box office pro tells variety that political and economic reality seems so bleak right now that people are looking for a lighter fear.

It's a tough sell. People are looking for escapism right now. Even adult audiences are looking for something that takes them away from reality. I think that is a very, very good take and one of the main things, 100%. The issue may lie in the general's audience.

The general audience is indifference for getting out to the cinema to see proceeds for these days. Despite rave reviews and strong per-screen averages, this year's potential Oscar contenders like Tar Till, Armageddon Time, the banshees of Inisharin and the Triangle of Sadness have all taken in only a few million after a week to release, strong limited debuts, not translating into successful wider platform releases. There's Jeff Block and analysts with Exhibitor Relations tells the outlet.

Across the board, it's a scary time for prestige films. We may be witnessing a sea change in cinema. Ultimately, audiences decide what gets made right now, and audiences aren't choosing to watch these films in theaters. We've been saying this on this show for months. Months! This isn't months. Now, this point I don't agree with Garth here, but I'll get into it.

The success of Elvis and everything everywhere all at once early, this year indicates audiences are willing to come out for risk-taking fare. So it could be that you're just finding the glut of this year's awards film too depressing. I don't disagree with that entirely, but Elvis was about Elvis. I mean, it's Elvis. So you're going to have that audience, and everything everywhere all at once is a time travel kind of sci-fi, crazy film that's just so different. It doesn't, it. So those are risk-taking, I agree with, but it's different.

Steven Spielberg's The Fabelmans, which began with a successful limited release, ahead of a wide opening, it has seen one of the few that could cross over thanks to a heartwarming nature. Yes, and it's also got Spielberg's name attached to it. But yes, I agree. Others like the cannibal romance, tales bones and all somber family dramas like the sun and the whale and the divisive tale of Hollywood excess that is Babylon faced steeper challenges as a resurging COVID. Record, inflation, and a looming recession has people becoming much more selective about where they spend, including cinema going. So I will say that.

I agree with mostly everything that Garth has to say here. But yeah, it's, we said that we've been saying this on this show. Streaming changed the game. Tremendously. You used to put, and you would put movies in the theater, independent movies and smaller movies in the theater. And hoping that they could make some stuff off of your smaller budget, right? But that's because options were so much more limited back then, too.

And you didn't have a place to put these movies. Except the theater when you made them. The smaller independent movies, now movies like this, and even big blockbuster movies now are getting, look at Disenchanted. That movie was made for Disney Plus, which I actually think that movie could have probably had a nice little, for families.

I think that movie could have done okay in the theater, but they took a chance I made it Disney Plus. But that's a movie, like, and you look at, and so the other day, and this is a point, there are movies that take that shot outside the superhero, a big IP, big blockbuster stuff. Even Top Gun is a big blockbuster movie, and you'll understand obviously why that movie's in theaters.

But there's movies outside the box inside of like the romantic genre that still should come out in theaters because they'll do well. Sandra Bullock had a movie that came out. And I enjoyed the movie. You know, I thought it was fun. I just watched, you guys know,

I'm big Julia Roberts fan and George Clooney with this Ticket of Paradise. Terrible. I mean, it's terrible. I saw it get like 68%. That is generous. And I, these two just went on a vacation. And I love the both of them.

But it is, it's terrible. It's, it's not funny. It's, it's badly directed. It just seems like everybody's on a vacation, right? I looked and I said, well, how much does this movie cost to make? It didn't cost that much to make. I said, well, how much did it make world wide? And it made, it made, like, $300 million or something like that, $225, whatever the

the hell it was. It made money. And I think, I get it. I get it why it still makes money. I get why that movie would make money. This movie, as, She said, as important as it is, I agree completely with the assessment that who's rushing out to the movie theater to go see that right now? Because of the fact that you see this type of stuff and it is such a, it's such, like, again, not devaluing what it is.

It should, if it's, as good as everyone says it is, it should be paid attention to. It should be nominated. It should be listened to, but it should be on streaming. And maybe this is that you just wanted to get it, you know, out there. they're so it could get award nominations and maybe put it on even more of a limited release. But to put it at such a big, wide release, why would they think that people are going to rush out and flock out to see that and put the marketing into that where that's not the kind of movie, especially for your audience, like it's, yes, people care.

I mean, a lot of people obviously, what I hope they don't see with that is that, oh, no one saw this in the theater, so maybe people just don't care about this stuff. That's not, that's not the case. Certainly not the case for me. It's not a movie that I'm rushing out to see because of that what they said. Let me return that. I wouldn't rush out to see it in the theater. I very much want to see it when I have a chance to see it on whether it's a screener

or whether it's on streaming assets because I think it's something I want to see. But it's also something that I can watch and go, in the same way that like Spotlight, right? Spotlight to movie that comes out in the theater does decent. If Spotlight comes out today, I don't know. if it does well. I think Spotlights is another one. You go, oh, it's just so, you got to take, you got to take a walk and you got to take a breath afterwards.

Just like, oh, the fact that people could do this. I mean, good on the people who actually discovered it and went out there and did it. But like to go in the theater in two hours, like I just saw, and I can't really talk about it much, but I like saw Strange World with my five-year-old, right? And it was a Disney movie. It's like my initial reaction to it, which I'll have to release, still I recorded and release you yet, but it's, it's, it's. For her, she's watching a big movie on the screen.

For me, I'm like, I watched a movie. And I like that sometimes. I'm like, I just watch the movie. That's not this. And it's hard to do now because I agree with what they said. The game is changing tremendously and streaming has changed, but it's also trying to balance of like, we know what we did.

We know we want to get the attention to this. And we also know that we want to try to get award nominations because we want more attention to it as well, which I understand. But a wide release, I think that was a bad move. I think they should have done limited release. They should have done enough of a limited release to where, I don't know, maybe it just cost,

probably because the budget was too high. That's probably another reason. The budget was probably way too high in this movie. And that's, I think people overspend now. And you got to, you got to spend in a way where it's like, okay, look, we need to make X amount of money back in order to make this. Is this the type of movie people are going to flock out to see and eat popcorn and watch it? Because that's the type of thing you need in order to spend that kind of budget.

I don't know. It's a bummer because, like I said, I think it's a very important topic, and it's a very important thing. I just don't, I mean, how many people are going to rush out to see that in the theater? Anyway, a lot one down in this episode, man. I thank you and thank Carbon Health once again. I thank you guys for checking us out. If you haven't already checked out the merch, please do it.

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