The Kristian Harloff Show - Bob Iger says MCU has lost focus. Disney will lean Into Sequels & Franchises moving forward.

Episode Date: February 9, 2024

Big week of news in the world of Comic Book Movies. King of Disney, Bob Iger admits on a call that Marvel among others have lost the focus of old and that less is more. The company will focus on BIG IP still but will focus on franchises and sequels. He seems to hint at a cutback of the Marvel shows. He has talked about this strategy before but this current conversation seems to take aim at all of the content Marvel and the MCU was doing and refocusing that plan. He also mentioned the movies coming out in the future, Captain America, Deadpool 3, Fantastic Four. There was no mention of Thunderbolts or Blade from Iger. Planned or forgotten or worse? Speaking of Thunderbolts, Florence Pugh gives an update on shooting of the project. Joe Manganiello known for his work in the DC universe was asked if he would appear in Marvel now that Sam Raimi was rumored to direct Secret Wars. This and more on today's episode of The Big Thing Capes and Cowls with Kristian Harloff, Winston A. Marshall and Coy Jandreau #DC #MCU #marvel #blade #thunderbolts #fantasticfour #deadpool3 #movies OUR SPONSORS: AG1: http://www.drinkAG1.com/bigthing BLUE CHEW: BlueChew wants to help you have better sex! Discover your options at http://www.BlueChew.com. Chew it and do it! FACTOR: Head to http://www.FACTORMEALS.com/bigthing50 and use code bigthing50 to get 50% off your first box and 2 free wellness shots per box while subscription is active. JOIN PATREON: http://www.patreon.com/thebigthingshow

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It's Friday. It's that show. We're going to be talking about all the latest and the greatest in the world of comic book movies and TV. Bob Eiger said, yep, you guys are right. Marvel's been stinking up the joint, and we got to focus on sequels instead. See how that one is going to go. Hugh Jackman, there's some pictures, Deadpool 2, or 3, rather,

and the new costume with Wolverine. We'll talk about if we like that look. Madame Webb is about to come out. And Dakota Johnson already talking about that line that everybody's making fun of. What does she say about that? Some daredevil stuff. Florence Pugh says, I don't know if this movie I'm in

is ever going to come out. What the hell is it called? Thunderbolts. There you go. Thunderbolts. I don't even remember anymore. Who knows? It's starting to become like the young mutants.

New mutants. The new young mutants. Nobody knows. Wait if it's going to come out. Joe Mangonello said that he had a role that was he was up for in Thor and he said, nope, no thanks. And he's talking about doing some other things inside the world. So there's a lot to talk about guys.

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Caps and Cows, baby, big thing, let's do it. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, capes and cows, big thing. Me, Christian Harloff, Coy, Gendro, Winston A. Marshall. And it's all of us. Yeah Real All right Welcome back

Guys So we've got a lot To talk about For sure Before we do Coy man You were Doing a lot of fun stuff

Yeah A lot of fun stuff You had the What was it called Megaccon in Orlando And I saw everybody Man from You had like the old school

With entourage You had The new kind of Shows with Loki With Tom Hittleston There's a lot of great stuff that you were able to do Did you have a favorite?

Well, the three reunion panels were the first ever reunions for them. So that was kind of an honor in itself. The entourage, they'd never gotten to do a con together. And it was the first time we'd been in a room, all of them in eight years. So that was just like, as an entourage guy, so flattering. I did the Prince's bride panel. Oh, that's awesome. Robin Wright had never done a con.

Oh, wow. So I got to do Robin Wright's first panel. And it was so flattered. Please tell me, Mandy Pittickin was on it. No, he wasn't there. But it was Wallace, it was Wallace. It was Carrie Owes. It was Carrie Always and Robin Wright.

And it was such a, at one point, Carrie Elways and I were talking and I asked what it was like to be part of something that's so iconic to you It's not like James Bond not like you know comic book characters. There is only one dread pirate Roberts And I said I dressed as dread pirate Robert once for Halloween and he put his hand in my shoulder He looked me in the eye with those blues and he went you would make an excellent dread pirate Roberts And I was like this is like a like my entire child to it came to life That's really cool my all of my trauma healed a magic magic moment. I mean that's the power of carry outweys Yeah wow that that means

That's impressive. That's it. I'll take one minute. And then I also did the, my name is Earl panel, which they've never done together. Jamie Presley had never been with Ethan Supley and Jason Lee. So those three were just special because so much of my childhood and adulthood.

And then Tom Hiddleston, an hour with Tom is so surreal. See, that one to me is one, I mean, they're all interesting, obviously, but the one that I wanted to talk to you the most about was that one, because they don't really, do they record these and put them anywhere?

They, I know that there's a, depending on the contract, whether they're allowed to remember. Because I know that certain studios, don't want some answers out. And it's not about secrecy. It's more about they want those for press releases.

They want those sound bites for when they do tours. But what was cool about this was I got to... Logiova. What are we talking about? Because I think that they want... I think it's a mass thing that they do. The whole cons. And like if you're going to a con,

it's supposed to be unique for you. You paid to get in. Sure. So if it's just out, I don't know. I don't do it that side of the con. No, no. I get it. I guess the part of me that's just confused about it is I'm just thinking in terms of specific.

I get what they mean about like you were here, but that's why in a lot of cases, what they then do is they're getting it in real time. You're getting it later if you didn't go. And they might. I don't know. Like that's not a part of the contract I sign whether it's out or not. But the cool thing was I got to prep like about half the questions. The other half was fan approved questions.

So the audience got to ask stuff too. They just had to vet it. And then we played a game, which, you know, I don't love games as much. But the way the game went, I got to kind of make the questions a little more my thing. Did you find anything?

out that was fun about, you know, any upcoming MCU stuff or anything in general from from him that you found valuable? We didn't really go into the future, but what I did find out was the way my buddy's Justin and Aaron directed this most recent season. It was really cool talking with him about their directing style. And there was a moment in

the, that we all love that last episode where it's a kind of a oneer on his face right as he's about to transform. One of the directions that he talked about them giving him was right when they said the frame it was going to be, they said, okay, what we want you to do is take half an hour, We're going to pause production real quick.

We want you to go back and watch all of the footage of Loki. And they had made like a highlight reel of his stuff. And he got to go back through his memories visually. And he said the way that activated him as an actor and the way he was able to find stuff. All of that was some of the first takes they did. He got to relive it all through something they put together for him. And just little anecdotes like that he'd never shared because we got to really go in depth. I kind of made it like a season two hour.

Because to me, that's my favorite thing Marvel's done. I think that Loki season two is so special. Me too. So we talked about the 15 years of doing cons. We talked about what the character meant to him. And it's this really beautiful narrative of what an emotional connection he had Loki meant to him as an actor and how living through season two kind of gave him closure as an actor. So I mean, it was one of the most like emotionally connected panels ever done. It was really special. And he and I really like, we were backstage for maybe five minutes before because he was running late. He had an hour and a half of photos to do that push the panel. But for in five minutes, I was immediately like. I know exactly how he and I are similar, how we connect. We both see like the butterfly effect of acting similarly. And we connected so sometimes there's that. We've done panels where it's like we like we like the same stuff, but you don't feel that like we can speak immediately.

Me and Tom Edison are like, we see art similarly. And it felt like that on stage. And then after we got like 15 minutes of talking afterward about like what it meant to make art and what the characters meant to us. And one of the big things we both share is that it's all one thing. Like what art is whether you're on stage, whether you're doing a play, whether you're doing a TV show or a movie,

or whether you're reading a comic book, the way we emotionally connect to art is mediumless. It's all about how you express it and all about how that emotionality connects back to you and how the character is a mirror of your own view of the world. And that's how he sees Loki. And it was really cool to share that with the masses. That's amazing. So speaking of art, by the way, because I brought that in there.

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Great wicked art. All right, we got some other stuff, man. We've got a lot of stuff to talk about. And let's start with this one. Bob Eiger, he says Marvel Studios has lost focus, throwing him under the bus. And he said that we're going to lean into sequels and franchises going forward. I have not read this article yet,

but I'm going to guess this was at the investors meet. Bob Eiger has once again addressed the current status of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, confirming there will be less focus on streaming content and more on stronger franchises in the future. Last year, trade reports by our buddy Mark Cassidy at Comment Book movie. Last year, trade reports claimed that Disney intended to scale back on Marvel Studios content, both on Disney Plus and the big screen and implement more of a quality over quality approach going forward. Disney, CEO Bob Eager, pretty much confirmed this during a conference call last March and has now reiterated that, that it will be a reduced volume of content with renewed focus on the studio's stronger franchise.

He says, I say we're leaning a little bit more into sequels and franchises, Iger said, during the latest Disney earnings calls. I think given the environment and given what it takes to get people out of their homes to see a film, leaning on franchises that are familiar is actually a smart thing. In our zeal to greatly increase volume partially tied to this wanting to chase more global subs for our streaming platform, some of our studios lost a little focus. So the first step we've taken is what we've reduced volume. output, particularly in Marvel.

This would certainly seem like a smart move, but will it be enough to renew audience interest in the MCU, or has the damage been done? The studio's most recent movie, The Marvel's, was a sequel to a film that took in a billion dollars at the World Box Office, and it ended up becoming the lowest-grossess grossing MCU entries so far. Elsewhere on the call, Eiger listed some of the movies on Disney's 2025 slate,

but left out a couple of MCU projects. He says, looking to our 2025 theater, We're excited to bring audiences Captain America, Brave New World, Fantastic Four for Marvel, Pixar has Zootopia 2, and then there's Avatar 3, and we're already looking forward to 2026, Frozen 3, the first Toy Story movie since 2019, and a new Star Wars movie that brings the Mandalorian and Grogu to the big screen for the very first time. Some have taken this as an indication that Thunderbolts and Blade have been delayed or removed, and while that's a possibility, we wouldn't jump to any conclusions just yet.

Iger could have just forgotten. All right. So there is, I mean, this is juicy. This is juicy. Did that say quality over quality? It did. The article did. I don't think he said that,

but I think it's really funny. No, no, it's fun. The quality of an article being. So this is the one problem with, like, now that I have to like take Adderall and stuff like that, I will hyper focus on something. So the minute it said quality over quality,

I was like, the rest of the rest of, fuck the rest of this article. What did I say? Did someone not quality check this quality over quality? I say all that to say, it's interesting to see that they are pulling it back, especially knowing I feel like we were talking about this with streaming when it kind of started where on the one hand we were excited about this prospect of new stuff and exploring into it. On the other hand, we had been talking pre-pandemic how if this giant streaming push really happened, there was going to be a potential problem of like, like, killing quality, killing the movies as a general whole. Like, there was a lot of issues.

And it's even why you saw then with Warner Brothers, when they were just like, I know it's the pandemic, but we're just going to direct release stuff without any time. There was a lot of filmmakers being like, what are you doing? Right. And I think that now that we've hit this fever, but to the point where you're seeing, here's your one sports thing today. I'm not even going to bring up a team that you're seeing what I think it's Disney, Warner Brothers discovery.

And Amazon or Apple? It might be Amazon. Google. Google. They're making a sports streaming. They're literally combining all of their sports streaming into one platform that even those major leagues are like, what the hell are you doing? And I think that that's where we're at now. I think Iger is finally seeing the forest from the trees because it sounds like Chepec didn't.

I don't think finally. I think that he knew it from the second. That's one of the reasons he came back. Right. Well, he's addressing it, I guess, because that was the problem. We went so hand over fist for like streaming content. Right. And that's also why, you know, you saw a massive canceling of a lot of shows, and there was a lot of talk about the number of like black TV shows that got canceled and whatnot too.

It's because we overextended. And now people are trying to rein it back in because they. Yeah, well, there's a lot. I mean, you look, but you look at what he's doing, though, and this is this place. into a lot of this stuff would look at Mandalorian and Grogu right that was the from you believe the rumors and I do it was season

four and they said well Favre already wrote this so let's do this it's John Favro he's directed before and he's directed big movies before and he knows how to make films so John can you turn that into a movie he said yeah I can do that okay great

so that will get us money then because instead of potentially just getting subscribers so that's part one one of our big franchise this. Okay, now what else? Wait, what are you guys doing? You're making a what TV? You're making a Moana TV show? Make it a movie. No, make it a movie. Why? Because it's Moana. We already held the date for an untitled Disney in November at this time. So we're going to make this a movie now. So make that a movie. And that's going to make hand of a fist at that point. So that makes sense. Now, what people are going to say is, well, but they're just going to go away from original stuff

and go after sequels. They are trying to cover their ass right now. Even though they lost money and people, the amount of money they lost this, they were still the number two studio. Because if they would have actually won, they were they not number one? No.

Universal was number one this year. Because, well, this year, okay. This year. No, I'm just talking about this year.

Coming back, Disney's been number one for the last, but, but it's my point is that they were only, they were only out by a little bit and they lost a lot of money through a lot of different projects, and they were still number two because they have so much.

Yeah, they own everything. to be number two and how as much they do is that's why they're freaking out. Right. So pushing back, pushing back and then, you know, doing, or pulling back, rather, and just putting the stuff out there that works. But I do think there's another, you know, there's another issue, too. You got to make sure that you're listening to your audience, too. You got to, you got to make sure that you know if there's new things you can create and try to get new audience and do it, you should. but you shouldn't try to go so far away from your audience that you already have

because your audience that you had is going to go, okay, well, this isn't for us anymore. So, and they're going to leave. I think that they've done that before. I think that they are paying attention to maybe not doing that again. And they also have to, I think, hopefully they're going to pull back the budget. Because everybody and I saw our good buddy, PJ Campbell, who, I think is one of the sweetest individuals in the world, and I love him. I disagree with him on Twitter every time he posted tweet.

And one of the things he rose like, no thank you on the Jurassic Park, the new one. Jurassic Park, if it's a $300 million movie, then I'm with PJ on that. But I won't say no thank you right away because... They always make a billion dollars. It's not that. And because you're not wrong, but that's not it. Yeah. This is an opportunity for them right now to make.

a 100 million dollar 110 million dollar Jurassic Park movie make it make it 80 million well you can't it's just hard to do these days but you you can in the sense instead of making it this stop with the Jurassic world go back to a situation where you're trapped in a building with like a 10 raptors and it's a horror movie or go that planet a planet the ape style that they're gonna do but the point is that if you take it you scale it down because you're still going to have to do certain things on that movie but like I always said when I said Terminator when I bring up terminator I want to see like the A24 version of

of Terminator, like, you know, a $70 million $1, Terminator movie. Because at this point, you don't, for Jurassic Park, you don't need Chris Pratt to be in the movie. It's Jurassic Park. The dinosaurs sell the movie. If it's a small-scaled movie and you only need to make

$150 million or $250 million to break even, as opposed to making a billion, go for it. You shouldn't be going after a Chris Pratt. You should be going after somebody that... Up and coming that costs nothing. A series regular on a TV show that this is their moment. moment to give him a movie and break out dinosaur movie but that's why I'm saying you could you

could put it around I see what you're saying about around a hundred but why I'm saying like an 80 or whatever like you said make it a smaller horror movie type situation because I want to say other than that seeing the practical Tyrannosaurus and that first one where you're just like oh my god it was the moments in the kitchen where she's trying to hide from that like that like really got people glued to that movie well give a comparison of something like you look at um What's the one that just came out, the Garrett Edwards one that I liked, the one with... The creator? Yes, thank you.

That movie costs about $75, $80 million. It looked better than the last three Jurassic Park movies. And it costs just around 80. Now, I think you can do the same type of thing, but they probably have the couple, have a couple more set pieces. But either way, it goes into the Marvel conversation of it all. And that is, scale back. Focus, Godzilla minus one. Focus on the damn characters.

stop doing the big, every time popcorn in the face, popcorn in the face, popcorn in the face, popcorn in the face, popcorn in the face, we have nothing else. I can predict these movies a million times over. And the other thing, did you see this thing?

This is like, I'm curious where you stand on this, Corey, because there was this video that went viral about how a lot of the creators of most, a lot of the recent Marvel stuff were not, they didn't watch, they didn't read the comics, didn't do it. Now, I know that the intent of the video

was more so, it came out a bit of hateful side of things. Was it just like a sizzle edit of people saying it's a sizzle just being a dick? No no but it was a sizzle it was a but it I mean there is merit to it though Of course but it depends how you edit it depends on you can make anyone sound like they Because that you right you can make anyone to sound like that I would love to have seen the full Context the full context because if it's like all sentence but they set a paragraph around That sentence that you just because they look because the question could have been Did you start by reading the comics and they say no we didn't we didn't read the comics but then the

follow-up could be once we had the story we wanted. We tried to go through the comics and see how we could connect that. You know what I'm saying? Like, any edit can make somebody sound something. So I would want to. Yeah, but anyway, but what I'm saying, though, depending on, if it is indeed true, what they do a lot of these times, because we talked about this with Dr. Strange. Yeah. And it's like, well, we didn't watch this show. We didn't do that. If you are doing a shared universe like this, it's got to be a requirement. I mean, it's got to be. It's got to be a requirement to where you know it that well, if it's just, you're rebooting it, you're starting it over, you're doing, like Madam Webb. It's a, whatever you think of

how the movie's going to do, and it's a standalone. It's a standalone. It doesn't really matter. And the big fans of the comic book are probably going to be disappointed because it doesn't really fit to it. But if that's what it is, that's what it is. When you're doing all this different stuff, and especially when it connects to your universe, and not just the comics, but the shows, well, we didn't really pay attention to that. We never read one of these comics. It's like, if I'm hiring someone for this type of stuff, Star Wars, if I'm hiring for Star Wars, now not everybody shares this philosophy

and I understand that, but I want fans of Star Wars making these things. I want people who know the lore. I want it, is it a requirement? It would be for me. Does it have to be for everybody? And can people, look at Tony Gilroy, right? Tony Gilroy, not steeped in the lore, but what Tony Gilroy did, and right

out of the words, out of the mouth of Diego Luna, surrounds himself with people, that know the lore. And he doesn't say, well, I'm doing my own thing. Like, for example, there's that scene in Andor, there's all this artifacts and everything.

You asked Tony Gilroy, he doesn't know a damn thing about where they came from at all. It doesn't care. But what he did do is find people that say, this is what I need there, what would be there.

And he trusts those people in doing that. That to me is fine, but it still has people inside of it. There's a couple of Marvel projects that you're like, does anyone pay attention what's going on here? That is, and I don't want to, because I feel like you're very attentive today.

You've been very quiet. I was listening. Which is good? I'm so sorry. I'm not judging you. I'm so shocked. If you don't think that a 12-minute answer to this isn't coming. I had answers.

I'm just paying attention. No, no, that's the show. I just spent a whole weekend listening on panels, so I'm trying to use those skills here. Yes, and you very much can tell that you were listening on the panels. You were listening. If there's a direct question, I'm ready to answer it in less than 12. Yes. I think it's very smart to build a universe out by having the creator or the main showrunner, director,

whomever, either be a diehard fan or surround themselves as diehard fans, because I think that's how we started. Like James Gunn, who is the architect of the DCU, I think, is really smart to have him do a certain amount of casting, a certain amount of shaping universes. And he loves it. And he loves it. But I'm not as worried about him hiring a director that is, Outside the comic purview because there's a foundation

But that foundation's key but he's there exactly he's there go but if you've got Marvel which is at times in the last few phases Had a little too many cooks in the kitchen or you've got someone that can't be there at all times Then you've got things that feel disjointed you've got in my opinion the doctor strange problem But I do think there are other times where there is merit I love the Eternals because it felt like a different side of Marvel It felt like something unique to Marvel not like a cookie cutter you can guess where it's glowing like Chloe Zhao made something that felt like a Chloe Zhao film that fit in the Marvel universe. If it had felt too Marvel formulaic,

that movie wouldn't have worked as well for me. But it does still need to have those anchors without those Thor lines in it. That seemed like the end of, around the time, around the end of Figi being in everything. Yeah. Because not that he doesn't care. I think he's still in everything

is just how much time does he have. But that's what I mean. Is that like, yes, he's still around for, but I'm saying he could not devote as much time because they were overextended, because it was, we got five shows, coming out this year, three movies,

still got to do whatever said press tours, I got to plan for the next phase. I think, obviously, you need to, a good leader delegates, and it seems like at that point he was over-delegated and overstretched to fully make sure everything was on track. Because had he been more on there

with multiverse of madness, I think some of the issues that we had, or, um, well, Thor 11 Thunder. Maybe, but I also think that Fige's a big, I think Fige's a Ramey head.

I think Figgy, because I remember, didn't even work in the Spider-Man movies too. He's a big Ramey fan. That's why this whole rumor to me has merit that Ramey's going to do the Avengers movie, which I think is a colossal error. I think it's a colossal error. But here's the bottom line of what I think with Marvel.

I think that what Bob Eager is saying, what they need to do is they need to cut the majority of their TV shows that they have planned right now. They're obviously going to release Agatha because it's done, But no one's, I mean, I say this every time. I love Catherine Hahn. That show makes no sense. It makes no sense.

So I would, you got to keep that show, I guess, put that out there. I think there's a big audience for spooky content. So there's merit to me. Like, I think of the Halloween season, there's always people fevering for that type of thing. Maybe. Just because of the nature of the show. Sure, but this is not, again, Marvel 2016. This is Marvel.

We need to hit so we get people back on board. So what I would say is, like, what I want us to, they're going to have to put this one out regardless. but any of the shows that they're going to do should be relevant to leading to the Avengers and like six episode stuff or whatever they're going to do and stop just trying to make like these side characters pop because they're not popping and it's not working so then with movies one movie maybe maybe they're going to have to do two because of all the stuff that they have in there but make it feel special again instead of like you know when maybe people get excited again because people are going to be excited for Deadpool and then after that can they because

Captain America, too, or Captain America, was it? Four. The one coming up is four. Four. Four. So, New World Order, are they changed it? Brave New World. Brave New World. So that movie, they're reshooting the whole damn thing. Like, Seth Rollins from WWE was supposed to be in, that Serpent. Yeah, the cobra. They got rid of the whole storyline, apparently. So they redoed the whole thing. So who knows what that movie's it looked like? And Thunderbolt, we'll talk about that in a second. Florence Pue is st. She doesn't even know if it's going happen. So what do you think, once?

I think their best bet is lean into the stuff that really works. So obviously Wanda Vision did. You could make some arguments about the end there, but I think by negating that in Dr. Strain so much that wasn't a great idea. But I think you lean into stuff like a werewolf by night.

Give me like a special or a limited series that's no more than two to three episodes where you're just exploring one particular thing. And if that's your avenue to introduce somebody fine, the only like show shows, and I'm not saying you can't venture down this path again is for now, let that be Daredevil Born again. Right.

Let that be something that you know is a banger. Right. At least that you've proven once before that it is. And then anything else should just be a limited series or just a one-off type thing like Werewolf. Right. And then we can revisit this at a later date, but you have to write the ship first. I agree.

And I think that the Werewolf by Night is a great example where what you were saying, like the spooky stuff. Throw that in there at that point because Agatha connects to, Wanda Vision and everything to us. Where do we go after this? And she just pops up randomly in some movies. Look what they did with Julie Ljewie Dreyfus. She's popping up in the movies and you're like, why is she in that?

And I love her, but it's like. It just hasn't paid off yet. It just hasn't paid off yet. And it's like, and there's a lot of stuff. The Wong stuff hasn't paid off yet. There's a lot of people gathering people that haven't gathered. There's like, I mean, now we also have the Young Avengers being gathered. And obviously that just happened.

But there's four sets of people gathering people. Yeah. We need to have a gathering. I think people need to assemble. What happened to him? Then he tore his ACL in real life. Did he? Did he?

Did he hear that? No. The martial arts Avenger is he pours it. He was on crutches at the box lunch gala. Yeah, Sima, yeah. It literally tore his ACL in real life. So he was in surgery and I'm like that movie. Right now Marvel's in such a big spot because they've stretched themselves so thin.

And then on top of that, there's so many variables outside their control that have been like that. Like that's crazy. Of anyone to tear in ICAL, it's Chongchi. Coy, so are you familiar with X-Men the Animated Series how there was all sorts of production problems? So it also meant that there were all sorts of like episodes were completely out of order. Oh, yeah, yeah. So the old one. Yeah, the 90s cartoon.

So until you got to the point where they were actually releasing all the VHSs, it would be a two-be-continued every week. And then you would come to the next week and it'd be a completely different story. And I'd be like, what the hell is going on? Right. That's what that feels like right now. All the gatherings definitely feel like that. Because it's like, okay, here comes Shalise Theron. she's got something.

She doesn't even know what she's going to be doing either. Here comes Harry Stiles. Right. Here comes. There's like no plan anymore. John Snow actually had a voice talking to him and it sounds like it's Blade. And Blade, we don't know if Blade's going to have. I think the reason they didn't mention Blade or Thunderbolts is it would have negated his last

sentence. I still think one or both of those might still come out in 2025. But he has just been like Big IP, Big IP, Big IP, Thunderbolts. Like it doesn't good optics. Right. So I still think we might get three or four Marvel films in 2025. And it's not solid. It's not.

It's not a solid bet, like the way that these other things right now look solid. And they just cast Pullman's kid as Century conceptually. Like we heard. So Young left, and I hear Bill Pullman's kid is going to be Century now. Oh, Stephen Young. I was like, I was like, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So like that rumor makes me think Thunderbolts is still happening.

But, I mean, even with the scheduling element of like David Harbour, he's working on stranger things. We're going to talk about the Florence Pugh. She's got some comments on it too. But, yeah, I think that Bob Iger simplifying is the way to go. really do i think that pulling back on some of these shows and nobody's really going to care about talk just i think winston's right focus on daredevil right now just focus on that show for tv for tv for tv for tv pull everything else put agatha out if he shot it right pull everything else just focus on that at the moment for movies focus on the movies that you have ready to go and get us to the avengers

and then as we've been saying on this show a million times over reboot man get no i don't know about reboot but i talked i talked i talked that to roxy yesterday who said the same thing i think reboots too tough to do, but you can essentially do, it's almost like a soft reboot. Oh yeah, not a hard reboot. If you just focus on the X-Men, because our history is our history. And no matter whether it's Collider or Fandango or any of those things that we did, Marvel Movie News, any of those things that we did, but it doesn't mean we always have to continue those things.

It means that they're there in the same way that if you did the X-Men, sure, you mentioned Tony Stark from back in the day, you mentioned all these things and little references but you can focus on them. You can focus on Fantastic 4. You can focus on IP. And still, you've got about 10 years to do all of this. Yeah, reboot's too strong in turn. But soft reboot is more what I meant.

Because then you can have that feeling of, oh, this worked cherry pick it. Keep the things that are working, but you don't have to keep moving all these characters for. I guess that's the other thing, too. Remember when a post-credit actually meant something? You did a post-credit and then it paid off either the next movie or two movies down the line.

As we mentioned with these constant to-be continues that never continue, it's like a, like you said, when are we coming back to this? And since we have never paid any of them off at that, like, have any of them paid off at this point? The, of all the movies, all the post credits? He mean the new ones. So essentially all of phase four and five now have any of those post credits paid off at this point. Oh, yeah. Hercules.

Oh, wait, no. I feel like Loki was one of them, right? That was that paid off nicely. That was the only one. That was the scene from the show, though. Like, is that the only one? And what was that? And I'm trying to remember what was that

that was from quantumania. Yeah. So it was essentially Loki into quantumania, back to Loki. Yeah, that doesn't really count. That doesn't count. That's the other stuff is stuff that they're shooting to hopefully get to a finished product. Who's been set up that's paid off? Right.

No, it hasn't. Not great. Which I meant to bring back to you guys. I was like, obviously these three. There's a lot in our minds, guys. There's a lot. So please put it in the comments. I would love to know.

because clearly I'm not remembering, but that's the only one that clicks in my mind. But I was going to say, I forgot about this, that you guys were upset about the Aquaman Post credit. I love that. And the reason why it was him eating the roach. But I loved it because that was kind of indicative of what the DCEU ultimately was. It was like, I got this burger. I kind of really liked this row. Okay, you know, it was fine.

Like that was. Well, it doesn't lead to anything. They could have closed it out a little bit more. I mean, they really just. That felt like the swarma, dude. That literally felt like the swarm at the end of. Avengers were... But we knew that was more to come.

Imagine if the M.C. You ended up phase one with Schwabba? You're not going to hear me see anything bad about Aquaman 2, probably ever again, even though I don't like the movie. I... That movie fought back. That movie fought back. But it made?

Yeah, it's made like four to 500 million or right now. It fought back. And it started with like 60 million. So it's like a slight profit? Something like that. Or either slight or broken, whatever. It's not a major loss. Right.

So that, if I'm D.C., I'm Warner Brothers. I'm going, good enough. Yeah. Good enough. And it also shows the star power of Jason Momoa. Which is why I think Lobo is pretty locked. 100%.

I'm also very curious because I saw a news report the other day that wasn't specifically tied to comic book movies, but just that China, as far as its box office goes, that none of the American movies, it sounds like in China broke, I think it's at either top 20 or top 30 of their box. Not even Barbie, none of that. So I'm also very curious if that is part of what is making this, drag be so hard

on Marvel right now and superhero films in general knowing that China is really building out their Hollywood even more and pushing their movies even more than good movies are still thriving like Spiderverse. Like Spiderverse is the number three domestic it's the number one Sony animated of all time and that was last year. And Guardians was 800 million. Yeah

so the good ones. Awesome. Didn't break China's top 30 is what I'm saying and that used to be the case where we took over the top 15 movies there so I really genuinely It's also political though very little political as far as why. Totally understand that. I'm just saying that's where your guardians would have been over a billion. That's where your Shireverse would have been over a billion. I don't think that's quality of

movie though as much as it's I mean sorry I don't think it's as much as the I think you're right that one of the reasons that the box office is down is because we had been coming on that but it doesn't as he's saying it doesn't change the domestic side of things with quality and I think that for I mean

I can tell you in my personal opinions of like every time I see a superhero movie now it's like this is going to go there, prediction, that happens, then we're going to go there. Oh, okay, mindless action, bad CGI, go. Okay, origin story I've seen a million times, go. It's just the same stuff.

And until it's the stuff that's different, that I'm like, oh, great. And you're always going to have a super, inside the superhero genre of the normal tropes. But what can you do to make them spicy? What can you do to make them exciting? And that's what Deadpool 1 did. It's what Deadpool 2 did.

And so will Deadpool 3 do that? and they look like they're trying to do that, obviously, with the switchup of the MCU. Deadpool 3 really is the changing of it all. I mean, with Sunday, it all starts. The trailer. Yeah. And I think, and I think...

Oh, is the trailer this weekend? Yeah, super cool. I also think it's going to be the first red band trailer in the history of the MCU because there's going to be an R-rated trailer for Marvel thing. Isn't that crazy? But you can't play that during the Super Bowl. No, no, but I'm saying, like,

they'll probably do a minute teaser in the Super Bowl, and then we'll get a red band Marvel tree. Yeah, they always release it on... They show like 30, to 45 seconds on the zero and then you go right online sure yeah yeah yeah so the yeah the yeah no I think so and I the only other thing it's funny you mentioned Deadpool 3 I saw people and and I don't know again if this is just people hating because it's the internet or if this is just part of the fatigue some like it got released in a new story that like oh you know Deadpool 3 is going to have all of like the the Fox whatever they're going to be showing up and blah blah blah and someone goes why are we doing this again didn't we just do this with no way home and I'm like, first of all, this isn't new news. Other than Koi screaming this from the top of the rooftops for years. For years.

It has been made very obvious when we heard Jennifer Garner's coming back. We have so like the back to our conversation all the time. This could have been a random person. I guarantee people that doesn't even pay attention. These were industry people that were doing this. And I was really confused. I was like, again, we made it very. It's going to get you more clicks for complaint.

Liking Deadpool is going to be. way less exciting than hating Deadpool's first. It's going to do very well. Oh, it's going to do well. I'm just saying that the conversation is going to have about an hour of positive. Yeah, that's just the way the internet. It's for sure. I mean, look at, and I've been bringing this up on every show because it's been relevant. It's like, look at the stuff

with the WWE right now, right? Not the Vincent McMahon scandal, the other stuff. You guys have been... I don't know part of it. Because Cody Rhodes won the Royal Rumble, but he's no longer in the main event? The Rock's going to fight reins, right? I love that you guys know this.

But this to me, and I'll answer all those questions, but this to me is my point with how, when done correctly, controversy can bring in a lot of eyeballs, a lot of ears, and just to get people talking. Now, whether or not these two guys are going to watch WrestleMania, who know, but you know about it. And that's what you do when you see certain kind of conversations are coming about and certain things, whether there's good stuff and there's bad stuff that people are talking about. And this is one of those things. With the Rock, basically what it is is that, yes, Cody Rhodes won the Royal Rumble. And then they said that the Rock came back.

And instead of setting it up in a good storyline, they're like, well, it looks like Cody's taking the backseat. And Rock's going to fight Roman at WrestleMania. Nothing's official, though. Rock was on Pat McAfee today promoting it, talking about it, everything, too. He's one of the investors now in it. The stock's probably through the roof. His merchandise is back, even though people are screaming Rocky sucks now at Raw. His merchandise is back.

and selling like crazy again, too. So it's a machine. And if you feed the machine the right way, people are going to listen. People are going to, and I think Deadpool's going to, Ryan Reynolds is a fantastic marketer. If he's already doing such good marketing. That movie, that's my six-year-old's most anticipated movie.

Using Jim as Randall, like genius. What a great way to sell that movie. It's very, very smart. So anyway, tons to talk about. That was the story one, guys. So make sure you let your... No, I'm not a wrestling guy. I got a question, though.

Now, I'm assuming what the thing happened is, like, wasn't Hollywood Rock like a bad guy? Are they going to turn Rock into, like, Hollywood Rock, because of all this negativity, and then he'll end up not fighting Cody, and then we'll get the actual fight we're supposed to, and that'll just come up. You mean Roman Raines, but there's a- There's... Yeah, I'm sorry, Cody and Roman Rans will fight, but Hollywood Rock will come back, and he'll be like a bad guy. Well, that's... There's tons of different options that they can go, because people want to, the head of the table.

Roman Raines is like the top bad guy. He runs ahead of table has been championed for three and a half years, whatever it is. And so the story is supposed to be, like, him and the rock, who's going to fight for head of the table. But the same aspect as Cody Rose is like the young top star who's going to be like the next guy. He's become ultra famous now because of this. Like he went from being just inside the circle, WWFans loving him to outside people. Everybody knows who Cody Rose. Did you know who Cody Rose was before?

Not until this week. Right. So everybody knows who Cody Rhodes is now because of this. And he is benefiting. And he's great. And he's like the first real baby face for like in a long time. And he's dusty, you know, you've heard of Dusty Rhodes? Yeah.

Yeah. So Dusty Rose is one of the legends of wrestling. And that's his kid. Oh, cool. And so he's got a storyline. Finish the story, all these types of stuff that's happening. So what could happen is a lot of different things. I think that they might do, because WrestleMania is two nights.

They could do Rock and Roman 9-1. They could do Cody and they could do something where the Rock says, I'm going to be your advisor. Rock turns heel. Maybe it happens. Maybe it doesn't. I think they should use it. It can go in a thousand different directions.

You have Cody feel like he's being gypped and then right as the Rock and Roman are coming in, knocks out the rock. and then he's like, I'm getting my match. He's not going to do that because they want to keep him baby face. But, but. Well, that would be like, I earned my title shot. I'm going to take it. But he's the one that he's the one that introduced it.

He basically said, I'm not going to take you at WrestleMania. I'm going to let somebody else come in. And then the rock comes in and does his thing. So he, in the story, it seems like he's the one. And he's still trying to figure out who he's fighting. So anyway, there's a lot that people are paying attention to. And there's a good way that Marvel could do the same with Deadpool. They pay attention with the stuff with, you know,

bringing the casual fan in to see it, that will get the people who liked X-Men films when they were kind of growing up and bringing them back. And in the same way that the attitude era, fans are going to come to watch the Rock wrestle. I wasn't planning on watching WrestleMania, and now all of a sudden.

Now you're interested. See, but that's exactly right. And probably what we could maybe even do is we'll watch it back here. You know what I mean? Bro, I watched my first wrestling anything a couple weeks ago. I watched the Royal Rumble.

And I was... Entertainment, right? All of a sudden, I was back in seven grade all over again. It's really good right now, too, because I'll tell you, because I watch it casually, but I've been watching some stuff too. Since the old creep is gone, they've, they've, Triple H's kind of taken over and done some great things.

I don't know his name, but the random black dude that's number 24 in the men's. And he came running into the women. Our truth. Our truth. He's such a dumb. Yeah, he's got a whole storyline. But anyway, it's a lot of fun stuff. All right, guys.

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It feels like it might not happen. Thank you, Arnold. Thunderbolt star Florence Pugh. What does she say? Well, she shared an update on the long-delayed Marvel movie. admitting that while it still doesn't feel like it's really happening, work is indeed about to finally commence. Josh Wilding says, will Thunderbolts ever happen?

The movie is gearing up to begin production and still adding actors to its cast. But yesterday evening, Bob Eiger only mentioned Captain America Brave New World and Fantastic Four. Captain America Brave New World has Harrison Ford in it, right? That's why that was mentioned. Also Fantastic Four. That also makes sense because you're going to have that

really building that one up. talking to entertainment tonight about her role in Dune Part 2, Black Widow and Hawkeye star Florence Pugh confirmed that she's heading to Atlanta immediately to start shooting her role as Elena Belovas. So there we go, guys. It kind of feels like it still might not happen because the amount of times it's been paused, which is just a natural feeling. But I'm going straight after this.

When we're done with press, I'm going to Atlanta and start to do some prep and do a little bit more press with you guys and then I'm off shooting. As far as we're aware, Thunderbolts isn't in trouble. Instead, it was one of these movies that got caught up in last year's strikes at the worst time, resulting in it being pushed back from December into next summer. Despite a little uncertainly, Pew admitted she's excited to suit up as the MCU's new Black Widow again. She says it's wonderful. When we shot Black Widow, we thought we were going to shoot the next movie relatively sooner than we did, and it's just been this thing that's been looming that we've been wanting to shoot at some point in the future, and now it's finally happening.

It feels surreal, but it's coming back. Elena's coming back. Thunderbolts confirmed cast members are Julie Louis Dreyfus Florence Pugh Elena Belava Sebastian Stan Bucky Barnes, as Bucky Barnes David Harbor, Wyatt Russell Hannah Joe Kamen and Olga Curliancom

so yeah that's the majority of it so it looks like this movie's happening yeah I wasn't really worried I just think that they didn't mention it because it was negated his last sentence he's like we're only focusing on the big things and it's like and Thunderbolts and it still hasn't really and there maybe there's the plan is just to start with the other movies are farther along. Yeah. Well, and Captain America 4, huge brand.

Right. Fantastic for a big tent pole. So it makes sense you'd mention it's an investor call. It's a call about getting money up. You don't want to mention the thing that's been pushed as much. Winston, before I mean, as we, it's called relevant to all this too. The fantastic, you heard about the SAG thing. It was fantastic for yesterday. I did not. I just saw your headline and I was like, I should watch that video and then went back to work. Perfect. Just like watching trailers. Winston's like, ah, I'll like, no, no, no, no. No, but I'm made an assumption. I was like probably something happened because SAC does announce stuff randomly so I'm assuming they did something

along the contract or some sort of congratulations. It was something they were doing like a tribute thing to him and they mentioned all these projects they were working on and said currently starting production on Fantastic 4 and then Mike made the point yesterday as someone probably just looked at IMDB. It's an intern that probably Googled his name. But the problem with that on IMDB

I can do that. It's like well no it says it says clear as day rumored on IMDB. And they still. It says rumored. So the question is, dopey intern, or did it or someone that knows some stuff. Someone doesn't know enough or too much. Or doesn't know enough to say, oh, I didn't know this was a secret. Yeah.

So. But it's, either way, the guy's starting to shoot soon. It's the worst kept secret in all of Hollywood. The guy's, he's in it. The question is, you know, when they're going to announce this. But it's further enough along. Thunderbolts announced this thing at D23. So the fact that they're shooting in.

What time? If they've shot some and that's how his arm got messed up and they have a trailer at Fantastic 4 on Super Bowl. Oh. Right, right, right. How nuts would that be? If Disney could sneak a trailer and they don't announce to just show. That's what I'm saying. MoMA two is coming out this year.

November. That's crazy. Imagine if they've already cast, obviously we think they have. If they have a trailer for us and they don't announce it in a traditional way, they show us Super Bowl. At Super Bowl? Yeah. How crazy would that be? I'd be crazy, but I don't, Super Bowl.

I'm just saying it comes up next year. I would. They would know if they're programming, someone we get leaked. I feel like, I feel like if they were going to do that, I doubt Super Bowl because you already have Deadpool. I bet you if you're going to do it, you end up doing it at the Oscars. Oscars. It's a very different crowd. I understand that, but isn't that also Disney?

Because ABC still has the Oscars. You know, and you do it if you're going to do it at the Oscars? Right after Paul Giamani does his speech and gets that he's Dr. Doom. You goddamn right, baby. You goddamn right. Hey, everybody, I have an announcement. From holdovers to Doom, the most logical critical. Thanks for this and in and out, and I'm Dr. Doom.

Oh, man. He'd make a great moleman. Neil before, Duke. Neil before Doom. Come here, Sue. That's not going to happen. Then realistically, I'm just thinking about the stuff that Disney has online. I think it's too crowded for you to try and force it during the Super Bowl.

I could see it at that point, not the Oscars if you wait until the NBA finals. It's just a hell of a mic drop. I'm just thinking that it could be a cool way to not announce it traditionally. Well, imagine a trailer's been shot and you just get to go. Sure. I think that's going to be a tougher one to do, but I think that, and then the other thing, we'll do it at Comic-Con. But then I heard they might not even go to Comic-Con again.

That'd be crazy. They need a rally. I think Comic-Con needs to take, I think Comic-Con needs to take a hit financially. I think it needs to go back to being the geeky fest that it was. I loved last year. That's what everybody says it went, right? But they probably didn't because they probably didn't have the studio presence that they had. It needs to go back and stay what it was last year because.

the studios, and I talked about this at length on Wednesday, they're either got to turn these panels into a show, put the money into it, or stop doing it because it's not, it doesn't do anything for them. It doesn't do anything. It's not marketing, you don't think the push they get for like two weeks and just show news and volume and you get announcements, you get actually people talking about it, you get like actual inertia.

If you're telling me that I'm going to, I want to promote, okay, so Marvel's going to go and I want to promote Fantastic Four, right? I'm going to get the same amount of press from when I drop a trailer from all the people that are going to do reactions from it and all the things that are going to happen from it and people talking about it that I ain't paying shit for

that I don't have to rent out I don't got to pay anybody to be there I don't have to pay any you know a host I don't have to pay for the space I don't have to pay for them I don't I already got it for my trailer and then what I want to I don't know where we're going

they were to announce a project we're going to do in four years. What happens is that that project that falls through? I think what James Gunn did with the DC was smart because it was just him and a green screen. And that cost $7. It cost nothing. Yeah. Kevin Feige did a... I think there's been some great... There have been some great Marvel things at Comic-Con, for sure.

Right. I think the best one was that the El Capitan in Hollywood that cost nothing when they... Because they own that theater. And they introduced Chadwick Bowman as Black Panther at that event. It was right before... before the Spider-Man thing happened, people were asking questions about it. It was a massive thing that they did,

and they brought everybody there, and it cost them nothing. Winston, your timing? I was like, did you just quit? Like, what just happened? I was just so dramatic. That was so funny. That's the ADD in Winston?

That was so funny. I heard everything you said. I just was used about the Terry. How am I going to cut that? He was just out. I got to do the whole fucking thing again. Oh, I think we keep it. I think we just,

because I was waiting for him to show, bro. We got to show the madness of Winston on Adderall. Sorry. You just like, There was no. He was jumping. That was so funny. I want you to be an point.

This is Winston. This is Winston when Winston notices something. Go ahead. You can be in a point about anything. So I really think it was a smart move to have that at the L-Cab because they own it and basically you don't have to worry about anything. But you get these glasses, man? That's really good.

Did you get these glasses? The back of the glasses, you need a battery. It's crazy. You need a battery. The future. He's always being helpful about it. He's always being helpful about it. He's always being helpful about it.

But he's just like, you're missing a battery there, man. Man, middle of the... Talking about Chadwick Boseman at the L-Camp. I'm sorry, man, go ahead. Oh, yeah, it's fine. He literally left. It was the fact that he did it off at left.

You should just leave all of it in. The fact that he left the frame. The middle of it. And I was trying to talk to you because I don't know if it was a water or two shots. But he was being helpful. Oh, no. So the dog went to get in here.

This has happened a number of times where he comes in and then he runs around. He knocks over cables. There it was. There it was. Take two. That's how it went. Just in the middle of the thought.

Man. Live TV, folks, if they're sure switches to live, see a lot of this. And that's, yeah, that's, yeah, that's, yeah, I'm, adjustments, man, I'm making adjustments. It is what it is. But I just got to own it. But, but no, I, based on what you were saying, and you're talking about Chadwick and everything, I agree in the sense that, you know, it's funny, we're coming up on Valentine's Day. That's a big thing that a lot of people say in relationships.

It was never the, you bought me a car. you bought me or whatever. It's the, you used to take me out like minigolfing, and we just like had, we were up for hours type situation. It has been so overinflated at this point, and it's such grand gestures, but you're not doing the little things. By not having the little things, you've lost people.

And I think that that's where we are with this at this point. So I agree with you. I think if you pull back Comic-Con and bring it back to its roots, I think that will really help. Yeah, I mean, Comic-Con wouldn't want that, obviously, but I think that they should because I think it's, people will still go. People still want to be there.

But the whole age of it and ice, that's why he's to love going. I can watch all and I talked about this the other day is that for myself Greg Alba we're going to get more out of work for us by staying home we're gonna get well I'm gonna get way more work out of it you will probably get more work at Comic Con because you're gonna be doing interviews yeah I'll be on those stages of course and I think that those types of panels should still happen not the Hall H like big studio presentations but I think like celebration of certain because a lot of the reasons why the fans go because they want to

see a lot of their stars they want to see it and the science and things, but like stuff like you did. Just now this weekend. Yeah. I think having a retroactive, not, I think it should be about review, not preview. That's right. That's right. You know what I love talking season two because it ended.

I could talk about all of season two. I don't want to know about anything in the future on a panel because that just puts everyone in a tricky position. Right. Because it's only going to lend itself to causing problems in the studio. And that's the thing is that what is it for? Like what is it? Because it's not about exclusivity anymore because everything goes online.

At least immediately. Yeah. So it's just tricky on how they're doing. There's a reason why the studios have pulled back so much. But I think there's a community element that's lost if you don't have something once a year. You should definitely have it. I'm not saying you don't have it. I think you should have it.

But I just think that there's certain things that they do that, I mean, in the same way that I still think Star Wars Celebration should happen all the time. And I think that the difference with them is because it's Comic Con is a collection of all the different studios. Celebration is Lucasfilm's thing. It's their con. Now, if Marvel, if Marvel decides, I still think Marvel should step away from Comic-Con and just do a MarvelCon. I mean, then you do a MarvelCon, and Disney does the same way they do Star Wars Celebration, and then you drop exclusive stuff, and then you drop your projects, because then it's like, you're going to get a lot of people to go to that. What if you do it is like, the way you pull it back, but you still kind of keep it? What if you just like, all right, everybody gets won.

And it's like, it's almost like a dance battle type break, or it's just like, all right, Sony, what you got? And you just put your best foot forward. don't give us the whole farm like that. I don't think they should announce anything more than a year out. And I honestly think that this year might be literally DCU bringing out what their Superman is. Like we haven't seen a single shot of David Corn Sweat without that beard. We haven't seen how big that boy's gotten. Like he's a huge dude now.

And like I think that the DCU physically bringing out Lois and Superman for the first time. And physically bringing out Lex and like first time we seen Nicholas Holbold. I think that would be worth the cost. But I think the MCU, if they don't show up, is like... But you've said it yourself. And what I had also said before, you could do that same thing. James Gunn, Warner Brothers, doing a special event at... The lot.

Wherever. Yeah. Renting out a theater will cost you less. True. And do your own thing and do your own event. Build up your own event. Charge tickets. Don't charge tickets.

Whatever you do, you'd get the same amount of press and way cheaper and you get everything you need from it. Comic-con's just not worth the price. Dude, if you're going to spend the money at that, At that point, shoot. Do an experiential thing. Have some random thing where you can warn like the police of a town or whatever. Just be like, oh, my God.

And Coinswood just kind of flies in and does like a soft save. And you go, oh, my God, was that superman? And then that's it. That's your announcement. But you got to say it just like that. Oh, my God, was that super man? It's the only way. That's the press line.

Go ahead. Try it. Nope. You not go try it. I don't even know who I'd be offended, but someone would be upset. And I know better. That's media training right there. That was smart.

That was smart. Not during Black History Month. Not during Black History Month. It is only the eighth, and I'm being very careful for another 21 days because it's a leap year. Oh, my God. Was that Superman? Yes, in fact, it was. What did they say?

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All right, next one. Let's end with this one. Joe Mangonello, friend of the show, has been on before. Hopefully we'll get him on again. He turned down Thor Ragnarok role. Why? But he said he would be open to playing Agent Venom.

Justice League star Joe Mangonella has revealed he was forced to turn down a role in Thor Ragnarok due to scheduling issues and confirms he'd be open to playing Agent Venom in a future module, future module. Justice League star Joe Mangunello has revealed he was forced to turn down a role in Thor Ragnarok due to scheduling issues and confirms he'd be open to playing Agent Venom in a future Marvel project. One of Joe Mangunella's first big movie roles was as the bully Flash Thompson and Sam

That was him. That's why this is such a great idea. That's so genius. 20 years later to come back is genius. That movie swung into theaters way back in 2002 and the actor has since suited up as DC's Deathstroke in both Justice League and Zach Snyder's Justice League. thanks to that role, there was a time when Mangonella was being lined up to star in both the Batman and his own solo project directed by the raids, Gareth Evans.

They don't mention he was almost Superman, too. We broke that on Schmo's No back in the day. Ultimately, neither project came to fruition. Comicbook.com recently caught up with the actor, and despite his minor role as Flash in the Spider-Man trilogy, they wondered whether he'd be open to playing Agent Venom in the version of the character. What I love to be part of the MCU, I mean, sure. Of course, it'd be fun in the right project.

I heard Sam Ramey's doing Secret Wars. Is that right? I don't know. I don't know much about Agent Benham. I'd imagine that I'd be over at Sony. It'd be very funny to come back that way. Asked that there's ever been talked about him suiting up as Agent Venom. He said, zero.

Years ago, Tycho, Atiti, wanted me for one of the Thor movies, and I couldn't do it. It was impossible for me scheduling-wise to do it at the end of the day. But that would have been my reappearance back into the Marvel universe, but I couldn't do it. We're guessing that was probably for the role of Scourge. executioner, a character ultimately played by the boy's star Carl Urban. It's unclear whether he ever got a second chance in a comic book movie, but his time as Slade Wilson is almost certainly over now that DC is rebooting. The actor has repeatedly expressed a desire to play him again, revealing in 2021.

He wanted an origin series on HBO Max. Okay. So I think he'll pop up again. Where's he been? I haven't really seen him in much lately. I mean, definitely, he's Dungeons and Dragons. The fact that he wasn't in Dungeons and Dragons. Crazy because he's such a and I love how nerdy is that he knows it be at Sony. I love that he knows like the logistics and he pays attention

This is kind of what we're talking about the foundation at the top of the episode where it's like surround yourself with people like this Yeah so if you've got someone that doesn't know the world as much cast to Joe Menninga you know he'll make it work manganello is that I don't know Manganello would be the guy that would give you just enough of that judge to make sure it's accurate ish I think the agent venom call is hilarious I think that'd be such a fun way to make it secret ores game Yeah, it was funny because I had him on schmose like I've had him on one-on-one with Collider, but Schmo's is the first time I had him on, and I asked him about that Superman thing. Yeah.

He was close. He was suited up and everything. Yeah, he was back to it. It was the exact Snyder one, I think. Such a nerd, too. He's so cool to have someone get it that's like that invested. Like Nick Cage. I want to see him.

I want to see, look, there is a possibility also. Probably not. I'd say, Jensen Eccles probably has the best chance of Batman. No chance he could do the new Batman. Where are they going to go? How old they're going to go with them? I mean, Joe's only, he's mid-40s. In 40s.

Something like that. So they could still do. He's still in tremendous shape. Yeah. You know? So I don't know. Where do you see him fitting in at all? I just mentioned, by the way, I know that we were talking about Marvel, but I'm saying it as far as different.

Just a comic book in general, yeah. I mean, I thought he was great casting for Deathstroke, but I just, I think that that's dead in the water at this point just because of the whole reboot. Agent Venom coming back would be hilarious. I even think if we're really barking up that tree. if you're really going to bring Toby back, why wouldn't you then introduce Agent Venom that way? And yeah, that is Sony, but like, you know what I'm saying? I feel like that would be able to.

And it's such a cool idea because you've already had the acknowledgement that the Venom symbiont has happened and left. And then you also get the continuity for us to be like, we'll never get to see Agent Venom in the next 10 years with Tom. That's a cool way to do it. And if Sam Ramee does wind up directing it, then he probably would show up one way or another. I just, and it looks more and more,

like that's gonna I I can't believe that so many people are on board with that I made 800 million dollars or whatever I know but that's my concern but I know but it's like so did I mean Thor Love and Thunder made a lot of money yeah I do think they should look at both the the people that are as invested as us and the box office as equally important parts yeah it's like because I'm telling you the Kevin Feigey Sam Ramey fanboy part of it goes a long way yeah because I think he loves Sam Ramey yeah and rightfully so I understand why his career and he's and there's a lot of San Rainey fans. Like there's tons of, like I told you guys, when I took my buddy to see that

movie, he loved the second one because Ramey heads love that movie. Well, and that's, that is the whole thing. I think we, we all said that when we were doing our review. We were like, this is a great Sam Ramey film. Right. It's the best what if episode we never got. But just specifically for where we were, what was going on, and the fact that we continue to have heard, oh, we didn't pay attention to Wanavision, who cares? And that's the problem. And they can't do that with Secret Wars, I'll tell you that. No, hell no. And that's what's crazy is, secret

wars is the culmination of a lot. I know it's very popular to hate in the Russo Brothers right now, for whatever reason. It's like every... It is? Oh, people love hating the Russo Brothers. But we've gotten to the point now that if it's popular, it's reviled, and if it's unpopular, it's loved. But I think the Russo... What are we in middle school? Twitter? Yes.

Oh, dude, Twitter is middle school. But that said, the Russo brothers have said, from the beginning, that's what they'd come back for. So it's insane to me that you've got the Russo brothers who have publicly said, the only thing we'd love to come back for is Secret Wars. And you've got the guys who have mastered the Avengers films as a culmination of arcs and literally made it their job to go like, we pay attention to all the disparate parts. How do you not bring them back as a reading tour?

It's probably money. I mean, how much. How much Sam Raby going to charge? And also like, when you look at things like Endgame, those moments that we remember from Endgame are so Russo Brothers. Like the wielding a mule near they planted so early. The things they did setting up those moments, that's what you need for Secret Wars.

Huh? No, they did. That was Whedden. Well, the tease of it was Whedon. I'm sorry, I'm saying the way they set it up in the film, their own film, the way they, that was such a paced by Rousseau moment. Wait, when? When Cap wielded it at the very end, the waiting to say assembled,

all those things, to me, directorially feel very like a Rousseau trademark moment. Within the parameters of their own film. I got you. We didn't set it up narratively. I'm saying like the delivery of the moment. I get it now. I was like, no. no age of Baltimore was 100% we don't do you want to go see the dogs I see why you got

confused but I'm saying as a I was hyper focused on what you were saying about I respected he was with me he was with me that's my point my only point is the roost is the right guys all right all right well we're the right guys here today talking about this stuff so thanks for being here I'm glad that you're here with us I'm glad that you've been joining us as I said if you're able to hit that button that subscribe button that helps out tremendously make sure that you check out all of our sponsors. I want to thank my panel here for being with us. First we start with Coy,

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