The Kristian Harloff Show - Building a Brand on Youtube, TikTok (with guest Chris Van Vliet )

Episode Date: April 11, 2022

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What's up, everybody? Happy Monday. That's right. It's Monday because I'm doing pre-tapes. I told you I was doing pre-tapes and it's going to be a fun one today. I got Chris Van Bleed on today, man. I've been wanting to talk to him forever, forever. And it's first time actually that we're actually meeting in person on air to actually shoot the shit a little bit more. If you're not following Chris, you really should, especially if you're a wrestling fan. I mean, this guy's got so many great clips and he gets great interviews and you should check him out for sure.

And yes, we're going to definitely talk about the aftermath of what happened when he got hit on by two famous actresses in the middle of an interview. A lot of stuff, a lot of stuff happening on this. But we're also going to talk about what Chris likes. You know, movies that are going on right now, we have upcoming movies. I don't know enough about him. Is he looking forward to any Marvel movies? Is he looking more so into Scorsese movies?

Like, what the hell is Chris Family like and what do you guys like? But before that, come on, show a little class. Will you hit the subscribe button, hit the like button, hit the notification button, do all that stuff. And don't forget about the podcast feed, Apple Podcast, Spotify, wherever podcasts are found. that's where you need to find the big thing. All right. So with that, he needs some milk.

No, we got to start the show. Let's do it. It's the big thing. And it's me. And I'm here and joined today on the show. What's up, man? How are you? You know, I love when you do that thing.

Like, I've known you for years, right? Yeah. But then outside, we were like, it's so nice to finally meet you in person. Yeah, I know. Yeah, it's been, because I think that, and I don't even know how the hell we, man, obviously, do social media.

Yeah. I think it's Chris Jarrow. I think I became aware of you through Jericho. Was it through the Jericho? I know that we had, because I had a ton of interviews. I mean, I interviewed Jericho at Sam Punk on the show

and when I was at Collider Live, you know, and then, yeah, I guess through, we were just talking about before, Steve Weintraub is a mutual friend, so we run in the same circles, but you run in two different circles. Yeah.

So you started, you're Miami, Florida guy, right? Originally Toronto. Really? Yeah, I'm Canadian. I've lived in the U.S. Now for 12 years. I didn't know that.

It was Cleveland, and then it was, was Miami, that I bought a house in Fort Lauderdale. And now I've been out here almost two years in L.A. Yeah. Oh, you've been doing a lot of shit. Oh, I've been all over the place. Self-made man.

I like it. I don't know about that. Dude, what you're doing right now, and it's funny because Ben Bateman is also a friend. And he's really attacking TikTok, but he's like, yeah. And he's like, he's like, he's like, me and Chris, we talk about TikTok and stuff like every day. Right after this, I'm going to his place so we can talk strategy and play guitar together. He's, and he, but that's what he does me. When he locks into something, he, he, he, like, locks in, whether it Schmo down,

or whether it's TikTok, and he's really fine in a formula. He's helping out with the Smodown account, which has been doing really well. So how did you transition? Or did you, maybe it was always the same, but from movies and being a film reporter and doing that, and then transitioning into the wrestling.

Or was it always the same? I was always passionate about wrestling. And I think that when I started working in entertainment news, and we're going way back like 15 years ago, entertainment is all encompassing. So I was interviewing actors and directors and comedians and musicians, all these different people. And wrestling was coming to town.

WWE was coming to town. And I said to my boss, would it be okay if we had a wrestler on the show? And she goes, yeah, sure, we've done that before. And I'm like, oh, my God, I'm going to get paid to talk to a wrestler. Wow. Like, this is the combination of both my worlds coming together here. Who was it?

Who was the first? It was Bobby Lashley, 2007. Okay. He was the ECW champion at the time. Before he lost events, right? Yes. So it was Smackdown with ECW. It was coming to Vancouver where I was living at the time.

I was hosting a show for, MTV 2 Canada. Awesome. So I did this interview with him, and then it was like once a year-ish, whenever wrestling was in town, I would do one of these interviews. And instead of, you know, the generic wrestling interview is, all right, you guys are in town tonight. Boy, that stuff looks like it hurts.

Right. John Kenna, you know? Right. I was asking questions that I, like, genuinely wanted to know the answers to. Right. And I didn't care if anybody watching TV even knew what I was talking about. I wanted the answers. And if we never used that on TV.

TV, it didn't matter. I had the chance to ask Jeff Hardy or McFulley, whoever it was, these questions. So that just kind of became its own thing. And I kind of realized with the old model of broadcasting, unless you were watching Channel 7 at exactly 414 p.m. that Wednesday, you would never see the interview that we did. So I just started taking the raw interviews and putting them on my YouTube channel. I was going to say, they let you take the footage? Well, this was 2011 when I started doing this. They didn't even know. Like, what's YouTube? Right, right. So I just started putting them on there is like a digital library as the idea of like, well, if you weren't living in Cleveland at the time and you couldn't see this interview, here you go.

Fellow wrestling fans enjoy this. And that's kind of where it started to kind of take off where like it was a lot of movie junkets. It was a lot of musician interviews. And then every once in a while, two, three, four, five times a year, I would do an interview with a wrestler. Yeah. Now it seems very different. Now it seems like all you do is the wrestling stuff.

And then you kind of, you know, obviously you're movie, movie fanatic and that's why you got into it in the first place. Sure. it's less about the interviews for the junkets, because I don't see you doing those as much anymore. It's more about when I see your stuff, it's whether it's TikTok on these really great interviews you'll get with, it could be Triple H or The Rock or Batista,

whoever it is, it pops up there. And that's been your strategy for, I guess what, the last like three to five years? Yeah, well, look, junkets have changed a lot of the last two years. The whole world's changed over the last two years. So, like, that idea of being able to fly somewhere to meet somebody in person, it's just a better interaction. Like exactly what we're doing right now.

Versus the idea of opening up a Zoom window. That's, well, and to, and hold that thought because, so that people know, Chris and I were been talking about it because I did my, I did a series of interviews over the last month about digital and I had reached out to Chris to do in the show and he's like, why don't we wait to do it in person? And I was like, done because I happen to agree with you very much so. Well, look, we live in the same city. Right.

There's no reason why I shouldn't drive a few miles to hang out with you in person. Right. And like, and we did it. You know, when I saw you out, when I parked my car, like good to finally meet you in person, right? So for me, it was like I was putting up the wrestling interviews and the movie junkets on the same YouTube channel. It's Chris Van Fleet, wherever you want to subscribe on YouTube.

And every time I would put a wrestling interview up, the movie fans would go, yeah, well, this isn't about movies. When's the next movie interview? And then whenever I put a wrestling interview up, or a movie interview up, the wrestling fans would say, well, when's the next wrestling interview? What's going on here? Yeah. And I started to realize that every wrestling interview was peaking.

They were all getting hundreds of thousands of views. So I'm like, okay, I think we're on to something here. I'm going to post more and more wrestling interviews. And then I think it was at the end of 2018, it was just wrestling interviews. And in 2018, I said I wanted to do 40 wrestling interviews, which would have been a ton. Before then, I think the most I had done was 17. Okay, shit. Then the next year I'm like, all right, well, let's try to do 50.

Like one wrestling interview a week. Jeez. I ended up doing 100 that year. It was a big year, though. That was AEW being announced. And I was just going to say, you must have had a fucking field day when an AEW came out. Before AEW really clamped down and went like, hey, you got to go through us for approval first. I got all these interviews.

Every time I flew to L.A., it was I got Jungle Boy and Luchosaurus. And I got this great interview with Chris Jericho and Tony Kahn. Like, I got all of these interviews. And then once AEW started running on television, they went, okay, all of them need to come through us first. The PR firm or whatever. Right, which I get it. Totally makes sense. But I ended up doing 100 wrestling interviews that year.

and it was like, okay, like we're on to something. Yeah. Well, so when you do that and when you, because obviously when you have the views to show for it now, right? So like when you're like, well, when you're calling up, because it's not easy for everybody when they're breaking into it unless you have these, especially in the wrestling world. Like when you, in order to get like, WWE interviews is notoriously tough. So is it because you've made a name for yourself? People know you. They trust you.

The wrestlers trust you when you go in there. You never try to like, you're not trying to out people. You're not like, your interviews are very honest. You know, if somebody happens to say something. inside the interview, that's fair game. That's part of the game. But when it comes to that, is it will look at my numbers, look what I've done, and because now you just have a relationship, they approve it faster? A lot of times, these are my friends, or they're friends of friends. Or people go, like, hey, when am I going to be on the show? And I'm like, if you can reach out

to your boss or your PR company and say you want to do an interview, like that would really speed this process along. Yeah. But I think that the numbers, at least at this point, I would hope they're starting to speak for themselves. I was invited to the Fast and Furious Nine Junkett, without an outlet other than my YouTube channel. Great. Because John Cena was there. So, like, I think that that stuff's starting to happen more. We're in a really interesting situation right now.

Yeah. The old model of broadcasting is, like, it's out the door. It's changing completely, right? Yeah. The old model was you turned on the TV and then you channel surfed, you know, one, two, three, four, five, six, all the way until you found something that you kind of didn't hate. Right. And then you kept watching it.

Now you go, man, I would really love to watch a Christina Aguilera concert from 1999. It's right there. Right. It's right there. So it's no longer broadcasting. It's niche casting. Yeah. And we're in this really interesting in between phase right now where there's still that old guard, I think, in broadcasting. There is. Yeah. And even if you have a big YouTube channel, a big TikTok following, I think it still takes some convincing to like to kind of win your way over. Oh, I mean, I couldn't agree with you more there because when you remember when Mark, Ellis and I started Schmo's no. We were definitely like the odd men out when it came to like the screenings that we would go to.

So we went to, I remember the first like official critic screening we ever went to was true grit. Oh yeah. 2010. Uh-huh. And we look over and like Leonard Malton sitting there. Like we don't. We shouldn't be here. Right.

Just look at each other. But then more and more of the studios than started to know us. But it was. And that was 2010. So, you know, YouTube critics like what? Like that's what it was. And we didn't even consider. I still don't consider myself a critic.

It's more of someone who just kind of watches movies, reviews, movies, talks about movies. But either way, we were also the first YouTube reviewers ever certified on Rotten Tomatoes. And that now tons of people are like that. That's big. You were the first. We were the first. We were the first.

We were the first. We were the first. I will give us credit for it. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. For my own self-worth, right now I have you. And with the channel you have that, thank you so much. I appreciate that.

But what I will say, though, with that, but that, whole system. And still, that was 2010. 12 years later, same type of thing where there's this, the online or, excuse me, the print critic, or people have been doing it for a while. They don't take the YouTube reviewer serious. It's a very different game. And even the studio still, I remember shit, three or four years ago when Disney, when I'm talking to publicists over there and they're like, they understood, like, Marshall Weinbaum over there is the best publicist that he just won like best publicist. He's the best publicist, and he's known that you got to go to the online people first.

And he used to have convinced, like, the old dogs going, no, they're like, YouTube, online. No, we got to take the out. It's like, this is where you got to go. Because you put a video up with these guys. It gets a million views. And then it goes on TV and maybe does almost that, if not even, not even close. No, if it's in a local market. And we're close to a minute.

I think the other thing is you can really niche down. So if your expertise. is comic books or Marvel films. Right. Maybe you only get invited to the Marvel junkets or the DC junkets, but your fan base is eating up absolutely. Like they're hanging on every word from the interviews. Whereas if you're in a, you know, top 10, top 20, top 30 news market,

that interview is going out to everybody. And it's just not hitting the same way. Yeah. So what did you do though for, so WrestleMania, how that works now? Because, again, established channel, W.W.B. knows you. they obviously they get they have press badges you get it you you apply for it you go and what do you you fly out on your own dime or they fly you out no i fly out of my own dime yeah okay and they're it's basically they're giving people like access kind of like they would do for like a sports event or something

or okay kind of like more like that like they'll go all right everybody goes in this room and we'll give you access to these five people i see so you'll start here you'll start here and you kind of just go around in a circle what you interview in that when you first got so when i got this past weekend of russomania i was actually working i was at wrestle con the convention Yeah, yeah, sure. So I lined up a lot of interviews. I want to do long interviews like this. That's the way to go.

I want to have a full-on 40, 45-minute conversation, an hour-long conversation with somebody. So Johnny Gargano's been a friend of mine for a long time. I lived in Cleveland and watched him kind of rise the ranks in the independent circuit there. So I went to his hotel room. We sat down for almost an hour. It's one of only two interviews he's done since leaving WWE.

So that one just came out yesterday as we're recording this. And then I lined up another few, like, I was supposed to do one with Braun Stromen there. Didn't end up happening. He goes, well, why did you come to my house? We can do it in my house in Wisconsin. I'm like, that sounds way better than doing it in a hotel room here. Yes.

So I lined up a lot of them. And it was also me meeting a lot of these people in person. Yeah. And again, back to that, you know, theme of the show, it seems. Like, people I've interacted with online, but I met them in person went, okay, let's do this in a week or two or five or whatever. And you fly out and you just go see them. Yeah.

That's awesome. That's been my whole thing. You're single, I assume. I'm not. Snoved in with my girlfriend. Look at you. So you're not married with kids. No.

That's the thing. I got to take advantage this while I can. 100%. Yeah. I had never done a virtual interview before the pandemic. Right. Every interview was me flying somewhere and a lot of piggybacking on a junket. Sure.

A junket was taking me to L.A. or New York or wherever. And I would go, who do I know that's in L.A.? Right. Oh, that person. And then I would line up an interview. Smart. So I mean, so you've always been like kind of go get her, kind of hustler as a kid? My whole career.

Like my whole life. Like I've been the person that if I wanted something. Got to go. Yes, I would find a way to make that happen. Where's that come from? Is that come from your parents and stuff too?

I don't know. No? I just think for me it's just like when I, when I see something on the horizon, I go, okay, that's going to be mine. Like I'm just like this crazy drive to make it happen.

But even when you were like a young kid, did you do that? Yeah. Sports and stuff too? Baseball was my main sport. And then, of course, hockey. Baseball was a lot of third base,

catcher, pitcher when I was younger. but I played baseball until I was like 22. So when you said pitchers, that makes sense because pitchers are usually the ones who got to take the lead. They're in control. Yeah, they're in control.

Yeah. But hockey as well. Yeah. I was a high school wrestler. You kicked out of Canada if you don't play hockey, right? It's best. You basically, you come out of the womb wearing skates.

That's how you get out of the womb. You skate your way out. You get out. And the moms are tough enough. But the way I got my first job. So if we take it back here, I went to college for communication studies. Yeah.

Because in high school, I loved communication studies. The class that we had there, we had a little TV studio in my high school. And we rotated around. You were the audio guy. Then you were the VTR operator. Then you were the floor director,

camera person, then you were on camera. And I'm like, I love like the ins and outs of learning all this. It was also the vice president of my student council in high school because that was the person that got to do the morning announcements.

Yeah. So it was like my own radio show every morning. Right. And your people got. Yeah. I just loved performing. Yeah. So when I went to college,

I'm like, well, communication studies was fun in high school. I'm sure it'll be fun in college, and it was. Yeah. But the other thing that was fun in college was being a people person, like hanging out with your best friends, deciding if you wanted to go to class or not. Like, that's kind of the cool thing.

Did you always, were you pretty much on course, though, as far as, because there's some people who were trying to find, you clearly knew what you wanted to do, or at least in the general area of it. But did you ever kind of stray off the path? Did you mean like parties? Oh, yeah. Oh, my gosh, yes.

Wondering like, oh, shit, I'm fucking up, like that type of stuff? No, I never wondered that. I was pretty good at balancing it. Yeah, that's what I'm. I also knew what I needed to do to get by. Yeah. And, I mean, let's be honest here. Communication studies isn't the hardest of majors.

It allows you to fuck around. Okay. I remember the Simpsons have a joke about this where there's that kicker, that punter. And he kicks and breaks his leg and they go, it's okay. You can fall back on your degree in communications. He's like, I know, I know. He's joke degree. Oh, 100.

Yeah, everybody. Yeah, that's true. But so, and then you, so you graduate, you start doing, you start doing, like you said, the movie stuff working for the television. I got to ask because I'll talk about it up top. The main thing that you got all that buzz for was when Dakota and Leslie Mann are hitting on you and all that stuff. And it was funny because I remember the argument that came behind it. You handled it very well, but the argument came by like kind of the double standard. What if the roles were reversed?

Right. So how did that, first of all, when that all went down, how did that, do you not like talking about this? No, of course. So when you went in there, first of all, you didn't know that this, because that thing went viral. That's the first time, because before we even spoke, that's the first time I ever heard of you because that, that thing went viral and everybody started talking about it. I don't remember if it was Clyder or Schmose, but whatever it was. And it was like, this guy handled it really well because you fucked around, you played around. And it was like, you weren't, you know, I think that you handled it very well.

And I honestly don't give them any shit. I think they were, I think they were having fun. So I've had a few videos go viral. There was an Anne Hathaway interview that I did that went viral as well. Oh, right. I saw that one too. You said about the cat woman. Yes, yes.

How much weight did you lose to get into the shape? And she played along with it. She said, I'm not. You could tell she wasn't mad. Yes, that was a good one. It wasn't a Matt Lauer interview. No, no. You're being glib.

You're being glib, Matt. So the movie was called How to Be Single. Yes. Yes, I remember it. And the movie was okay. To be fair. It was a fun date. My voice is getting higher.

It's okay. Right. So apparently like, Dakota Johnson was not being an easy interview that day. Okay. And I remember the person, you know how junkets work. You're in line to go into the hotel room. They're over because they've answered the same questions a million times.

So I'm like third or fourth in line and everybody that's walking out of this room, it's Leslie Mann and Dakota Johnson paired. And they're all going, good luck in there. Like, geez, it's like pulling teeth. So I'm like, okay, well, I'll just go in there and have fun. And I prepared some really like fun, silly, interactive questions. Yeah. And I got to give the show credit that I,

was on Deco Drive in Miami. A really fun show on the Fox affiliate there that just wanted like fun interactive stuff that other outlets weren't getting. They said goof around do what you got it. Basically. So I went in and I was going to try out pickup lines on these women and have them rate them. Yeah. I thought that'd be a really fun segment.

I go in and I sit down and they just immediately start having fun. And Leslie Mann's like, oh, hot guy over here. And like she's saying all these great things to her makeup artist off camera. And I'm just like. Before you started shooting. Yeah. And then they started rolling on it. I'm like, this is the greatest interview in my life.

This is so much fun. Then they kept going with it. And I kept going with it. And I'm thinking to myself, I've only got like three and a half minutes here. And you can see the person behind the camera going like two minutes left, one minute left. And I'm like, I wonder how far I can push this. And in my mind, I'm going, Deco Drive's going to love this. Like, Deco Drive's going to think that this is amazing.

Yeah. So I just kind of kept going with it. And the reason I thought the video would do well is because Dakota Johnson had so much fame from 50 shades. People had really only seen her in that light. They really hadn't seen her being like fun. So I'm like, this, this video is going to crush with Dakota Johnson fans. I posted it on a Friday, Saturday, it didn't really do that well. Sunday, not that well. Monday, everybody picked this up and it had like a million views. And that's when it started taking off. In fact, my news station made a news story about this. Yeah, a lot of people had news stories about it. That was the thing because of, like I said,

It was the double standard conversation that started to emerge from it. But did that help your career, not help your career? Didn't do anything. Didn't do anything. And the interesting thing is, I can't remember the name. I can't remember her name, but there was that very famous woman that was sitting in the crowd at a college sports, college football game. Jen Sturger?

Yeah, well, yeah, of course. But no, there was another one. She was the girlfriend of one of the players. And the announcer was like, made some sort of comment about how she was good looking. then he got in a bunch of trouble, and then she ended up getting like reality shows and all these hosting gigs out of it. And I'm like, from like a three-second comment

that she didn't even really get involved in. And here I am, I was the main player in this. And people just kind of went, oh, cool, like fun moment. And that was it. Yeah. Yeah, but you have it. You have it on your channel. It was fun.

And Dakota Johnson apologized to me when I saw her like a year and a half later. I sat down for an interview for bad times of the El Royale. Okay. And I sat down. like that movie, by the Lord. Me too. Great movie. So she was with John Hamm and I walked into the room and she kind of had this look in her eye like, oh, she goes, oh, did Leslie man and I hit on you? And I'm like, yeah, but it was great. It was so much fun. She's like, on behalf of Leslie, I would like to apologize on behalf of both of us. I am so sorry. I'm like, no, please don't apologize. It was super fun. Good for her. That is fun. I mean, I agree with. I don't think necessarily. I mean, it's your experience, but I didn't, I didn't see an apology needed. No. And I understand what people are saying. Like, what is. I was, that is fun. I agree. I don't think. It's. I was. I understand what. I understand what. I understand. I understand. I understand what. I. I If this happened. Well, like, what if The Rock was telling that joke of the Oscars instead of Chris Rock? Right.

Who knows? Nothing. Yeah. Nothing happens. That's exactly. It's just another day at the Oscars with bad ratings. That's exactly what happens. Keep staring because I ain't moving.

Keep staring. I ain't moving. That's exactly what would happen. Anyway, so, well, that's great, man. So a lot of stuff that you're working on at WrestleMania that was, was night one, I thought it was a lot of I just finished. I actually just finished night one with my daughter yesterday. What do you mean?

I am married with two children. Okay. Okay. I run the Schmowdown and this thing. It takes me so long to watch. Plus my daughter goes to bed at like 845. So by the time we get like maybe 45 minutes to an hour to watch it, the thing alone is like three and a half hours.

So we were actually shooting Schmowdown the weekend that it was airing. So I didn't get to watch. I watched like I think like one match with her when I got home on like that Saturday or Sunday. But we finished, we finished night. one and um night one was great night one was great i love that they've broken it up into two nights much bad this is my 11th russomania yeah and you've went to yeah that i've been to i've been to two of them which ones russomaniia two what and ressalmania 17 oh wow that's a two and seven wow rock austin yeah jeez and um and that what two is is i always tell the story where my dad took me and i guess i was

probably seven or eight when i went but um my dad took me and it was piper versus because i was Nassau Coliseum. Because he split it up into three places. It was Chicago, L.A. and New York. And it's the Nassau Coliseum.

And I went and I saw Piper box Mr. T. So fast forward years later. And my buddy, Steve Simone, who used to co-host the Rod Pod with Roddy, he would go out of town.

He'd say, hey, do you want to co-host Roddy while I'm out? So I used to co-host a Roddy. Oh my gosh. And I used to tell, and I can't even tell you how many times on the show that I would tell Roddy,

in the same conversation, what happened. I was at WrestleMania too and I saw you and he would stop. Must have been four or five times and he'd go, you were there for that one. I was like, yeah, Rob, we talked about it last week. He's like, I have been hitting the head a few times. I love that man. He was such a sweetheart. Do you ever get a chance to meet him? He was awesome. He was awesome. He was such a humble, good dude could turn it on, drop of a hat. We did a whole prank on our show where I had asked him. He was having a bad day. We already set it up. My intern at the time. Do you know JTE? Have you met JTE yet?

No. I'm aware of it. him and the J.T. rule? And the J.T. rule. So he was an intern on the show at the time and a massive wrestling fan. And I said to Roddy, it was like, hey, you know, because he was scheduled to be a guest on that night. I go, I want to play a prank on this guy.

And I want to do a thing where he's interviewing you. And I'm going to have to ask something about they live and about, like, wrestling or something. We'll do like a David Schultz moment, right? And then I want you to get upset with him and just kind of like ask him to get pissed off and walk out of the room. He's like, ah, I'll do it. So he comes in with his son. And he's having a bad day that day because I think one of his friends had passed. So Colette said to me, I don't think he really wants to do it.

And I'm like, no worries, we'll just do the interview. Serati looks over to me in the middle of the interview. He looks and he goes, and I knew. I knew exactly what he meant by the nod. So he did it. And he goes, my wrestling? And my wrestling? He slaps J.T. on the side of the head.

And then he goes after him. And we kick him out. J.T.'s like, I know, because Katie Sackoff was on the show, too, as the co-host and just selling it. And he is like, I don't know what I did. Christian gave me the questions. I asked the questions. And then Roddy came back in and he was,

J-T thought was the coolest thing in the world because he was a Piper Mart. Yeah. Oh, that's amazing. It's awesome. Well, you got to go to Mania next year. It's here. I want to take my daughter. We actually talked about it.

It's just a matter of getting the tickets. It's a matter of doing all that stuff. But I want to absolutely go and take her, at least for one of the nights for sure. Yeah. I haven't been to the new stadium. Me either. I can't wait. Yeah.

I mean, it's a good, good spot to have. It'll, how many does it see? Great question. Let's say 60,000. Oh, it's way more than that. 80? Probably. And then W.W.

And WW will report 150,000 people. That's probably what'll happen. The cool thing about it being broken up into two nights is that it's not eight hours over one day, which it's been forever. And that's too much. It's way too much. Yeah. And I love UFC, but when you go to a UFC show, the undercard and the prelims and everything. It's a full day. It's like eight hours of watching fights. And most people just show up

for the main car because of that. Yeah, I used to go. I mean, so I was a massive, and not that I'm not anymore, it's just, again, harder for me to watch. When I was single, I was watched, I used to make, I used to make, like, when UFC really popped when Ultimate Fight, like 2005, I knew when it really popped. I was making a lot of money off of betting on UFC because at the time, the bet, people would bet the same way they bet on boxing. And UFC does not, does not, the odds were so good for certain fights that you could bet on them because if you paid attention to their, you know, not blindly because of the odds, but if you pay attention to who was, who was a really good ground fighter against the striker. And that type of stuff, Vegas wasn't doing that kind of stuff. They were just thinking who the favor was and they gave really good odds.

And I picked up on that. And I made good money. I bet on Sarah against GSP. What? And made a lot of money. That's what a stupid bet that was. It paid off, but it wasn't at the time. It wasn't if you watched Ultimate Fighter,

and you watched it. GSP was not taking him serious. And Sarah put it all in the line and knew everything that he had, and GSP was not taking that fight serious. It was this gimmick that Dana White said they're going to give a shot to the winner of it. And Matt Sarah was the ultimate Rocky story

where that dude was coming in like he was, like you couldn't beat him that day. You could put a 700-pound dude against him that day. And Matt Sarah was going to win that fight, especially against GSP, who was just like, yeah, what's the next fight?

He was not impressed. He was not impressed. He was impressed after that one. But, you know, and it's funny now because Sarah and I are buddies now. Oh, wow. Because he was, he is a massive movie geek.

Like, massive, like Star Wars and Marvel and all that shit. And he found, I guess, me on Collider, started talking about me on UFC Unfiltered. And then I reached out, and he's been on this show and we just kind of geek out about everything. And we never talked about it.

about USC. When he's on, we just talk about movies. And he's, he's a sweetheart because he's a Long Island guy. Yeah. But, but, but yeah, so anyway, but the, but, but, but, but you're right. I used to go to those fights. I was there when Rashad, uh, lost the title to Machita. Um, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was there when, what the hell happened? I can't remember which one it was. I, he, he lost, he, he, he, he, he, he beat, uh, shogun, but he shouldn't have won in, in L.A. I was at that one. Oh, you've been to a bunch of them. I've been a bunch of them. I used to go all the time. I've been to, like six, six. I've been to, I've been to, maybe? Yeah, I used to go, I used to go quite a lot in Vegas. I would go, and when they were at

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Are you more of a drama guy, thriller guy, Marvel guy, Star Wars guy? What's your think? I love dramas. Yeah. So if we're talking TV shows, I'm obsessed with Ozark. You too. I love Breaking Bad. And I feel like, even though this isn't in the Breaking Bad world at all.

This is breaking bad with the families in all. Yeah. Yeah. And then I'm better call Sans so good. I've never watched it. This is the best time to be like a fan of television. Yeah. It's changed so much from the era.

Like when we grew up, television was television and movies were movies. Now with what HBO is doing and that's obviously changed with Netflix and everything, those two worlds are just kind of being like, they're crossing over into each. other. Yep. You can throw a rock and land on something that you're interested in. Like my wife and I, because we'll get into these things where like, what can we, what can we find? Now, there's so much stuff that we can find to watch. That's the problem. I know. We're watching, uh, uh, I have to tell you, I'm so impressed with what I just did right now before we get into that. My glasses fell. My glasses fell. I didn't even look and I don't know how I caught them, but it was like a neo thing.

Wow. I don't know how I did that, Chris. I was like this. One, one, one, one arm and I said, what did I just catch? I said, I caught my fucking glasses when they fell, but I have to, I have to acknowledge. Man. I'll never do it again. Like, if I went to push it on the floor, right now, they'd smash into a thousand pieces. But I am wearing this shirt, by the way, because this is the greatest movie of all time. It's a really great movie. Back to the Future is my favorite movie. Yeah, it's, I'm not going to argue with that, although the actual time travel.

I'm a time travel geek and like how physicists really say it worked about as untrue and it's as silly as you get. What's the most realistic time travel movie then? I think the ones that me, that I would say are most realistic. Now, safety not guaranteed? No, you know,

no, um, arrival. Okay. Very much. And the transfer of consciousness inside of trium period, I think is,

is very much so. Yeah. Not in the events of that happened, but the idea in general, end game and hear me out before is, because the conversation they have about back to the future, what physicists say is that there are tons and tons of gal, if multiverses and galaxies and all that shit are,

um, I believe in it. Like, it's just, it's endless. It's endless. So if you went back and stopped yourself from doing that interview with Dakota and Leslie that day, it wouldn't,

if now, if you checked it right now, it's still be on your channel here. It's the same time. This is a different timeline than another one. Now in that timeline you went back and stopped it, it would be completely different. You know,

and that's how they explored an end game. That's what actual physicists say was what would happen. Like you would go back. You would change things. It would change things in that timeline. Like, so how many timelines are there? Infinite. infinite.

Like that's, that's the whole thing. I mean, I think that when you start talking about that type of stuff, it just feels like that this is just

some sort of a computer program that we're in right now. And people, some people think that too. I'm not going that far, but I'm not either, but I also feel like, and you've probably experienced this

in your own life. When you start to like really want something badly where you point the needle of your own compass towards that thing, it seems that those things in the universe start coming to you. And I just feel like

why, like, why else would that happen? happen. It's your truth. Yeah, it's like a Mandela effect and all that stuff too. Mandela effects, fascinating. It is. And it's like I didn't even, it wasn't even, I was aware of it, but not, I was almost Steve Zaragoza. And I was aware of it, but not so much when he was talking about it. And then like the Berenstain bears and all that stuff too. And some of it's probably just a matter of paying attention. A lot of it's misremembering. A hundred percent. But also along the way, like, how come every time someone says, Luke, I'm your father, the Star Wars fans don't go, uh, you know,

that's wrong, right? Right. Right. Like life, life was like a box of chocolate. Life is like a box of chocolate is what everyone says. Right. How come Forrest Gump fans don't go, actually. I know. It's fascinating. It's fascinating.

I get, I'm, I'm constantly thinking about time travel and all, galaxies and all that kind of shit. All of the time of things like. And the simulation. I think about that a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

It's like, and when my daughter was asking me, because he was talking about, because she was, she's learning about Einstein and everything too. And my wife does not. than this stuff. She's like if she can't see it. It's not she doesn't much. She's like, yeah, time travel and all the level. I'm like the it is, we can't achieve it. It is possible though. Like with light speed and all that stuff with black holes. And if so they, if they try to do it now, they'd probably destroy the whole damn world because, uh, it used to have the power for it.

Yeah. Put a fucking black hole in the middle of a, they're going to try to do some stupid like that. We'll be long gone or they've already done it. That's true. This is the result of that. 100%. Right. We've, we've had, we've had, we've had, we've had, we've had, we've, You've had this conversation seven billion times. That's what I'm saying. Isn't that nuts? I know. It's crazy.

It blows my mind. It's nuts. And especially when you go to, when you think a stonehenge and all those, as far as how the hell that thing get there and the pyramids. Joe Rogan has this great comedy bit about the pyramids. Yeah. Where he's like,

we can't explain it now. So how are they able to build it back then with these massive rocks that are the massive stones that were cut perfectly and dragged from a quarry that was 800 miles away? Right. or perfectly north, south, east, and west. And he has this, it's a joke, but his theory is like, what if the smart people just had less sex than the dumb people? And the dumb people out reproduced the smart people.

So now we are the descendants of all the dumb people that built the pyramids. We can't do it. Instead of the smart people who designed them. Right. It makes a lot of sense. There are a lot of dumb people running around. But man, yeah, Ozark, going back to what you're saying, I love it. It's so good.

And what I love what they did this year is they, they released the first six, and I'm going, and I watch it with my wife, I'm going great. Now I got to wait until the end of the year. It comes out like the end of this month. Yeah. It's fantastic. That was smart. Yeah, so smart.

I will say I've also been watching, speaking of Netflix, selling sunset. I don't know what that is. It's the reality show based here in Los Angeles. Oh, yes. Yeah. Like about real estate. That was it good? Yeah, it's like, the first season was probably 10% about, like, the drama, 90%

percent real estate. Yeah. Now it's like 10% about the houses they're selling and 90% about the drama. Yeah. But it's fascinating. Yeah, that's what they always, I mean, that's,

that's how you get people to tune in. But that is interesting. Yeah, I'm watching that. I watch it the dropout. Oh, yeah. Which is really good. I watched that documentary, but I haven't seen the show.

The documentary, I think we started it the other day, which it is, I always wind up doing that. I start watching a show, and then I want to watch the documentary, like, either right afterwards or four,

but like, yeah, when you watch, and her intent, if you're watching what she was, the original intent was there. Yeah. It wasn't like,

it wasn't a, scam to start. This is kind of like Fire Fest. The intent was there. And then you get caught up in the hype of it. Yeah. Same with We work. That documentary is fascinating.

Yeah, yeah. And now that show. And we started watching that one too. But like this one I really... And you're right. The intent is good. Tent is good. And then I think you get, you get so far along and everybody's depending on you.

Yep. Then you go, yeah, of course we got this. It works. Yeah. And also not to take away that she was obsessed with Steve Jobs. She wanted to be Steve Jobs. She wore the same stuff that Steve Jobs. She wore the same stuff that Steve Jobs did.

She changed her voice to make it more, you know, like she was, there's something wrong with her in general. But like when she started out, the intent of this idea that you don't have to get these needles and you have to just prick your, you know, prick your finger and put it. Like that's great idea. But then once, like, I'm on like episode three or something. They say, it's not working. We need to go in and tell them that are the trials. And she's like, uh, no. And she's like, no, let's go in.

I don't think your voice was even deep enough. Not even deep enough. And she goes in there. and she goes and she does, and she lies about it. And it's like, yeah, and that's when, that's when you've now sold your soul. And it's not about, you're not trying to help people anymore. Now it's about elevating yourself. And like, and it's, I think Amanda Seafre doing a great job.

She's a great actress. She really is doing the job. So if you want a little Easter egg, I'm in a film with her. Okay. Way back. It's called Chloe. Oh, okay. With Liam Neeson.

Yeah, okay. And if you go way, way, way, way back. It was filmed in Toronto. The movie set in Toronto. It's an Adam McGowan film. Okay. And there's a scene where she's in a diner. and she sees the Liam Neeson character for the first time.

And I'm sitting right behind her in the diner. And one of the IMDB photos for the film is her looking off at Liam Neeson, and there I am behind her, like, eating some breakfast or something. Awesome. Yeah. There's a little Easter egg for you. I did one of those in Point of Origin with Ray Leota. Oh, wow.

When I first got out here, you could see it. Someone actually fan found it and sent it to me, and I think I posted it on my Instagram. It was, it's me and him and Ronnie Cox, and I go to the bar, and I'm like, And I remember I'm supposed to just go point to like a drink. And I say rum and Coke. And the director was so, man, but they, they voice dubbed me so they didn't have to pay me. Yeah. They did. And, well, they paid me, but not as far as a speaking role.

And you see me and it's not my voice. And it's like, you remember Hercules goes bananas? It's like, rum and coke? It's hilarious. It's hilarious. I've been an extra in a few films. I just love the energy of being on set. Yeah.

Yeah, especially when you're younger, too. When I first got out here, it was an extra in almost famous. Nice. Yeah, when I first got, the first time was my first week in L.A. Wow. Can we see you in the film? No, I'm in the crowd at one of the big concerts. I spent like 10 days on the set of the Love Guru.

Oh, wow. I'm in like four scenes. Did you really? Yeah, I'm in the trailer for the Love Guru. Poor you. Well, I feel like it might be my fault for how bad that movie was. That was like that almost ended his career. Well, there were definitely some times when we were on the set.

And I think we all kind of went, I don't know if everything's going right here. Yeah. Like they were setting up shots and it was taking them like one day. I remember taking like six hours between shots. That was a really bad movie, wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And it won a bunch of Razzie awards. Well deserved. But I think that Mike Myers was having issues with the director who that was the first film he had ever directed. Okay. I think he had directed music videos and commercials before that. Okay. So there was a day when like we just wrapped like the closeups of this one shot.

And then, you know, you just moved the cameras and do the wider shot. And it took like six hours. And I had heard that maybe he was like getting mad at the director, maybe for the direction of the film. Maybe so. Maybe it's realizing it. But I'll take the blame. I'll take the blame. That'll be your nickname in the Smoddano. You'll be the love guru.

I'm the green shirt guy in the background. I'll show you the trailer after this again. Oh my God. You're in that whole scene. I don't think I've seen that movie since it came out. Oh, there's no reason. Except to go back and watch. I'm also in Cherry with Tom Holland.

Oh, really? being quote unquote, you know, very loosely directed by the Russo brothers. Wait, so were you doing that just because you like being on set? Yeah. That was it. Yeah. Because at that point with Cherry, you don't need to, you don't need to be. I was living in Cincinnati at the time.

Okay. And he was filming in Cleveland and I went, well, that's only like a three and a half hour drive. I'll go up there and be on set with Tom Holland for a few days. Yeah. Do you get tired? You don't seem like you get tired. Yeah. What's the point?

I drink all that athletic greens. You know? Got so much energy. Perfect. And you just kind of walking around. Because for me, I just, I look at it. I have to drive. I have to drive from Wyoming back here because I got a new car.

So I'm going to be driving because it was a cheaper price. So we got it from my, I'm driving it back. And although I am saying to myself, I'm going to be exhausted. I'm also saying it's going to be fun to just take that drive. Yeah. Listen to a podcast. I will tell you listen to your podcast. Oh my gosh.

I'm so sorry. Your interviews are really good, man. Well, because you do. I think that that's the reason I liked when I interview people and you said something earlier that hit home is that I don't like to ask the generic shit I like I want to know and I want to talk to people about like them and now yeah I'm also aware that the audience wants to hear things about like so perfect example like when seam punk came on collared live three years ago he came on to promote his horror movie that he was doing and we were talking about it and I knew that the stuff

with Smackdown was kind of a rumor whether he was going to be on or not and we were talking for a bit and I said you know because we were in the middle it wasn't like hey it wasn't trying to trick him I asked him and he said and he said yeah I'm doing it. I'm doing the Smackdown thing. And he said to me afterwards, do you know, you know why I gave that to you? I was like, why is it? You talk to me like a person. Yeah. And I was like, that's great. I think people forget these are conversations. This is a conversation. Yeah. And I've never, you know, in wrestling, there's the shoot interview term. Yeah. I've never been a fan of those. And if you do them, that's great. And like, kudos to you. But I just want to have a conversation with somebody.

Yeah. And through that conversation, I want to learn things about them. Yeah. And my hope is that the audience will also learn those same things. And I love hearing about people's journeys. Yeah, I love the one you did with Big Show when he, when he, you asked him, the one I really liked a lot was when you asked him who the strongest dude was because he's been, and I like, he, because you could tell how comfortable he was with you, because after you asked him that, that question is like, I could sell the finisher, I can sell the finish. And but he said Sina was the strongest guy that, like, hands down.

He just like, he cut me off. He said, yeah, John Sina. Yeah. Hands down. And you had asked him about Brock. And Brock's a strong dude. Yeah. And he said those are powerful dudes.

But, like, Sina, when you look at it, it makes sense, though, because Brock's like, what, 6-3, 6-4, something like that? And Cina's only, what? 6-2. Is he 6-2? Yeah, he's pretty big guy. Okay, but still, he doesn't, he seems smaller in comparison to those guys, which, which maybe might not be true, but he just seems smaller than them. But I had Freddie Stroma on recently from Peacemaker, and he was talking about not only how strong John is,

but how smart he is. Yeah. And, like, that goes into it, man. It's the whole thing. I think John's really good at going. these are the things I need to do in order to accomplish this goal. And he's really good in WWE doing that.

He's been so good in Make a Wish doing that. And now he's crushing it in Hollywood. Like every third commercial is either John Cena or John Cena's voice. Right, doing something, yeah. It's amazing. Yeah. And I talked to him the last time for Fast and Furious.

And I don't know if everybody realizes this. Like, I think people think John Cena in the world of Hollywood is this new thing. He made his first movie 16 years ago. The Marine? Yeah. And he said he didn't even want to be an actor. Stone Cold Steve Austin was supposed to be the star of that movie.

Oh, really? It didn't end up happening. Is that what happened? Yeah. Vince calls him last minute and goes, do you want to do this movie? It'll help us sell more tickets. And he's basically like, oh, if it'll help us sell more tickets,

then sure, boss, I'll do this. Yes. And you asked him that, was that the sound of it was the same interview, but you asked him, because he was on record talking about Dwayne Johnson saying that he should be on, he should be around more and doing that. And then he went back on those comments when he said, and to give him his credit, he said, I was wrong.

And not only did he apologize, he, like, gave Rock or Dwayne his flowers. He basically said, like, I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for the path that he blazed for me and everyone else he wants to be an actor. Same interview? Now, that was Bumblebee. That was Bumblebee.

Yeah, so even, you know, it's a different time? Yes, and you know what so funny about him is that I've never been a massive, well, I'm a, I'm a massive scene a person fan. Yes. As a person, I'm a big fan. I've never been a big fan of him in general when it came to his wrestling character.

And up until recently, wasn't a big fan of his acting. I thought he was really good in train wreck. I thought he was really good in Trane Wreck. I thought he was great in Daddy's home. He was good in those, like, it was a cameo. Yes, I didn't love him in that.

I thought that's kind of over-the-top campy shit that he was doing that I didn't love. And I didn't love him in a few movies, but he did. I didn't love him in Bumbleberry. Sorry, John. I did not like him in Bumblebee because, but that to me was more of a director

problem than a scene a problem. Okay. Because in that movie, he seemed, if he was in the Michael Bay movies, he would have fit in just fine. But they weren't doing that for Bumblebee. They were doing something completely different. And then the other one that he did was with the, uh, uh, blockers, right? Yeah.

Yeah. He was fine. He was good in that. But he was almost just kind of like silly character. And I'm like, and then when he said he was going to be in the suicide squad, I went, eh, right? He was phenomenal. That's his breakout role.

For sure. And then peacemaker. Yeah. Star. Like, I mean, and not only just. star, acting star. Like he goes down levels that you're just like, oh, wait, that's what everyone's talking about. He's so good in that show.

So good. And he's been so kind to me. Like, so, so kind to me. I did an interview with him in New York before WrestleMania 35. It was the only interview he did the whole weekend. So we did it at this gym where he was working out before he had a signing that day. So we're texting like, all right, meet you at one o'clock. Great.

So I get there at one o'clock. I text him. He texts me back and goes, I can't see you. And I'm not trying to be funny. And I'm like, oh, that's good. That is funny. So we do the interview and it was supposed to be 10 minutes long. And 10 minutes into it, I go to rap.

And he goes, oh, hold on a second. Grabbs his phone out of his pocket. He goes, we still got more time. That's awesome. My gosh, how much more time? He goes, just keep going. I'll let you know. So I ask him a few more questions.

And then I'm like, well, John, like you've been so, so generous with your time. He goes, hold on, hold on. We got time for one more question. And I'm like, oh, my gosh. This is amazing. Thank you. So a 10-minute interview ended up being like 20 plus minutes. And then later that year, I was rewatching the interview.

because I was doing a list of my favorite interviews at the year. So I sent him a text. I want to read this to you. I sent him a text and just said, like, hey, like the interview was so great. Like, thank you so much.

And I expected him to like, give me a thumbs up or like, you got it, man. He sends me back a full text that says, Chris, you are passionate, curious,

empathetic, and hardworking. All the traits needed for success in any field. Thank you for a great conversation and wishing you the best in the new year. That's awesome. What a deep? See,

He didn't need to do that? No, he didn't. And I always, I hear that about him all of the time. People talk about that. My buddy worked with him on, he was a producer and stuff, said the same thing. He's not, he's not one of those guys that just shines you on. Like what he says is he's listening, he's paying attention. And like, he obviously knows he's read your personality and he's spent enough time with you that he can feel comfortable sending you that.

And it's not just, he knew to probably make your day. And that's why he did it also. Yeah. It's just so, he's such a genuine person. Yeah, seems like it. Like him, him writing back like, you got it, man.

Would enough. Would have been great. Yeah, right. But the fact that he took the time to give such a thoughtful response. Yeah. And I think that speaks a lot to who he really is. How did you meet him originally?

So I've interviewed him a bunch of times. Is it a junket the first time or something? Yes, but then we had a mutual friend that was like, hey, would you ever want to interview John Sina? I'm like, yes, of course I'd want to interview John Sina.

Yeah. The mutual friend is named Tyler Perry. Oh, so, you know, yeah, Tyler Perry was like, hey, would you ever want an interview with John Cena? I'm like, yes, of course.

Right. And then like 10 minutes later, he's like, okay, I just messaged, Jim, you've got an interview with John Cena, here's his phone number, make it happen. That's awesome. Oh, well, thank you. So many questions for you know.

How the hell did you get, how did you mean Tyler Perry? Tyler Perry was just a lot of junkin interviews. And then every time the interview would end, he was so, so kind. He would just go, hey, like, dream bigger. And I'm like, no, like, I've got a great job here. I'm doing my own thing.

My YouTube channel's growing. He's like, yeah, that's great. but like dream bigger. Like what do you really want to do? And I'm like, oh no, things are good. Everything's great.

Like I appreciate, but thank you. And I would see him every handful of months because he makes so many films. And he would just, he would always take time afterwards and just go,

hey, like, I want you to like dream bigger. Think bigger. Right. And that was kind of it. And that's actually, that's one of the big reasons

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I remember when Disney paid all that money for it and everyone kind of laughed. Now who's laughing? You know, I mean, I thought they got it for a steal. I thought so too. But they got it for $4 billion. Just $4 billion? Disney shits that out.

But $4 billion. dollars with everything that they have. And for Lucas, that's a good deal. Four billion dollars, right? But he could have sold it for seven. He could have sold it for ten. When you're talking that kind of money, does it really matter? Not really.

Because he already had a whole bunch of it anyway. I remember when YouTube got bought by Google for $4 billion in 2006 or whatever, seven. And people went, that's crazy. Look at them now. I hear now, I think it's like they make $4 billion every like six days now or something. Oh, whatever it is. Six day, ten days, whatever. Stupid money out there.

So much stupid money. Okay, so moving on to any movies that you're thinking about. Nolan, I can't wait to see Nolan's next masterpiece. And that's about the Guggenheim. Oppenheim. Oppenheim. Yeah, he's making it about the museum. Yeah, Oppenheim.

He, yeah, because he's got the same, a lot of the same cast, right? Well, that's what he does, right? He does well. Yeah, he finds people that are just, like, fit into any role. Yeah. It's so good. Like he is, I think that he is one of the best directors of all times, certainly one of the best is working right now. I think so, too.

He's one of the few guys that can sell a movie on his name. There's so few of those. Very few. And it's like, Tarantino. It's Spielberg. Yeah. And it's him. And even Spielberg now, depending on the movie, right?

Because it's like, he's had, he's had a few that, but big giant didn't do. Yeah. Well, but I mean, I think that, Tarantino, there's a, there's a, oh, Jordan Peel. now yeah for sure jeez you don't Jordan peel is

it's you're going and you're going to see his movie I mean he puts really good actors in there but you're going because it's a Jordan peel movie you know that when you leave a Jordan peel movie you're going to be going what the how

what oh my god he's got kind of like that thing that shaman had back in back in the day yeah yes back in the day he's made a little bit of a comeback for himself I mean not I haven't seen old should I I have not seen it and I've heard not great things.

Yeah, I'm saying. Yeah, but I think, though, even though, I think he got to a place now with there's not the same type of expectations that were on him. Yeah, yeah. When he was making those movies. After Sixth Sense, it was like,

everything needs to be as good as this. Yeah, and then I always had a twist. Wasn't the next one, like, Lady in the Water? The second movie he did was Unbreakable, which I loved. Yeah. I love Unbreakable. It's hit or miss for some people, but I actually really love that movie.

I find that today more rewatchable than Sixth Sense today. for me. But the third one was signs. Yeah. I like signs. Yeah, me too. And then after signs,

signs actually liked more as time went on. And then it started to go downhill. He did the village. That to me was the classic example of, we need a twist. You got to have a twist. It's like that from, what was it,

robot chicken. What a twist. That's what it came from. I think it's so easy to talk about like favorite movies of all time. What's your favorite movie of like the last 10 years? Because that's so difficult.

I mean, the first one that popped in my mind was Wolf of Wall Street. And that's 2011, though. Okay, well, then we'll say our favorite movie of the 2010s, the 2010s. Wolfo Wall Street would probably be up there. Yeah. It's such a great movie. Leo should have won the Oscar for that. Get the Ludes.

It's the best. That movie is hilarious and crazy and just, I watched it recently and it's just, it's so good. It's so good. So it's like, yeah, it's good fellows, but with Wall Street. I remember watching that at a screening with one other person in a press screening. And the second I walked out, this was in Miami, the person, the representative from the studio is like, so what do you think? And I'm like, oh, wow, there's so much to digest. I'm like, I liked it.

But can I talk to you tomorrow? Right. Because I needed to like digest it and figure it all out because there's so much. Like you've seen basically the man's entire career. Yeah, it's so much. And I still quoted to this day the thing, I use it for other things. But when Leo was asked about that movie and Scorsese in general, he said he's seven years old and he's still making punk rock. And that's kind of how I refer to AEW when I'm talking about.

That's interesting. AEW to me is punk rock, suppose, you know what, and there's a lot of stuff that DVD is doing. But like, either way, loved that movie. I'm trying, there's so many other movies that. I think for me, in my head, ex Machina. It's a great one too. I just love the concept of that. Yeah.

Because the movie basically tells you like, here is the thing that's going to happen. Yeah. And they even tell the characters in the movie. Like, this is the thing that's going to happen. And then the movie ends and you go, oh.

That's exactly what they said. But did we pass the Turing test? Right, right. Wow. It's a really good movie. It's a really good movie. I'm trying to, there's so many other ones that I'm trying to think inside of my head

that I'm going to go, oh, I wish I would have said that. Because over the last like 10 years, but there's so, there's, I mean, because Inception was, that's, that's 10, that's at 2010. I think that was 2011, 2010.

So maybe Wall Street, was Wall Street, 2011 or maybe 2012? So in those, those two. We need Ben Bateman in here. I know, it's true. Jeez. It's true. Inception and Wolf of Wall Street, two that stand out right away.

I love, and both Leo movies, but I love, I love the inception. I love the one I saw it. I love it more. And the score, the Hans Zimmer score, when, because obviously, everyone always talks about, like, that his track time in that one is it's it's great and i saw him in concert um which is and

to hear that in concert is incredible but he was at the critic's choice awards and i had i said i got to say something to hans zimmer so i went up to it was like one of my favorite nights ever because i got a chance to speak to hans zimmer and julia roberts who was i as a kid wow yeah um you ever interview her yes oh he's son of a bitch yeah she's great she's she's great i interviewed her for, what was that movie with the kid? Oh, the Kevin movie, right? Oh, my gosh. Why can't I think of this right now? The one where the kids on drugs? No, the one with, oh my gosh, the

Which one? So he, she, all right, I'll look this up. Jeez, we truly need Ben Bateman here. I think it's the one, well, that one we don't need Ben Bateman. You just got to give us a little more detail on it. You know, the one with the kid. You know, the one with the kid. The stepmom? It's a stepmom? You know, the one with the one that she was in the movie with on screen. Oh, Ben is back. That's what I was talking about. I said Kevin, but Ben is back.

And I interviewed her for whatever his name. I was thinking of Wonder, actually. Oh, that movie's good. Yeah. I love that movie. Oh, that movie. I just, I think I get Alteria just thinking about Wonder. That is so good.

It's a really good movie. And the kid I was thinking of is Jacob Tromblay. Yeah, Tromblay was, yeah, that was, well, that was Wonder. John plays wonder. Ben is back is Lucas, what's his name? Lucas. He was the, yeah, Lucas Hedges. This director's son.

Yes. In that movie. Yes. So, anyway, so that night, I went up to Hans Zimmer and I was like, you know, I got to tell you. Like, time is one of the best pieces. He was like, I've never heard that before. I go, really? He's like, no, you're not.

But he was very, he wasn't being a dick. He was like super sweet about it. But like, he gets it all the time. Like, if you have ever, I'm talking. to anybody who's listening or watching. Look up Hans Zimmer time live in concert. It's awesome. I have a very similar story with John Williams.

Okay. John Williams was at the Critics Choice Awards for Warhorse. So we're going back about 10 years. And I was there and I'm like, he's right there. I have to go say something. And I just said, Mr. Williams, I just need to say that you're the greatest composer of our time. Not the greatest movie composer.

Like the greatest composer of our time. He's like, oh, thank you very much. That was the end of it. That's all you need. That was what you were just talking about before. Like the John Cena thing, that was enough. That was it. That was enough.

I shook his hand and walked away. And then he turned to you and said, look, I can tell for me, you're very passionate. Empathetic. And go get it. I had an interview with Hans Zimmer for, like, I think he was like, he was walking the right cover for like Kung Fu Panda too. Yeah. And I was asking him about interstellar actually. Because as the story goes, Nolan didn't really know where the script was going to go.

about this. And he wanted Zimmer to write some music that would help him like kind of figure out the story. Sure. So, and I'm going to get the story wrong. So I'm sorry everybody. I'm going to botch this. But the general idea is he said, he called up Zimmer and said, can I hire you for a day?

And it's a story about a father and his daughter. And it's a story about loss. Right. And that was it. And then I'm getting goosebumps. I'm talking about this. And Han Zimmer wrote the beautiful score. It's a great score. And then Christopher Nolan was able to like continue writing the film

for me. Oh, that's awesome. You can tell he writes very much so to music and and I relate to that when it comes to like I'm very in tune with the scores are like my thing. Like the other day we were talking on actually I'm trying to think actually this this might air first does it? I don't know. No, no actually air afterwards we were talking about it

on the last show with Winston and Coy about the Jurassic Park theme and there's that whole part that's the same kind of beat from Peter Pan's, We Can Fly, we can fly, we can fly, we can fly. It's the same thing if you do. That's interesting.

And I picked that up and I never heard that before. And I was like, if you listen to it, it da-da-da-da-da. And it makes sense because John Williams is a big Peter Pan fan that wind up doing hook, you know, years later and all that. Which is interesting that he didn't do that theme for hook, but maybe because it was too on the nose. You know, but you can tell there's like inspirations from it. I think the Jurassic Park theme is my favorite of all time. Of his? Yeah.

I mean, he's done so many. He's done so many. Star Wars and Superman and so many. So many. But, yeah, that's, I mean, it's a great one. And it sets the stage, and that's why when you say, he's a great composer, it's like those types of people can just set the stage. You know exactly what it is, like that epic feel.

You know who's an underrated composer? Alan Servestri. I don't know how underrated he is. Oh, yeah. But he's a predator is one of my favorite. Oh, yeah. such a good, that's his,

it's an underrated score by him. Like you talk about like Avengers theme with him, back to the future, but no, he's, he's up there. There's John Williams and then everybody starts to play in like, you know,

second. John Williams is the goat. But then Hans Zimmer's like right there. On Zimmers is in the conversation. Symmers, Danny Elfman's in the conversation. On Zimmer is like a man of steel. Yeah.

Oh my gosh. Normally, it's like an ongoing joke in the Schmodown that if you have a scores and soundtracks question, if you don't guess, Guess John Williams, you guess Hans Zimmer. That's usually what happens. But there's so many, I mean, Jerry Goldsmith is big,

but an underrated composer that not a lot of people talk about is John Bryan. I don't even know who that is. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, Lady Bird, Punch Drunk Love. Like there's a, he's done some really great stuff. What's the name of Damien Chazel's composer? Oh, shit. Look it up here because I'm fascinated by that story of like, they're both young.

Like they're younger than us. He's Justin Hurwitz. Yes. Oh my gosh. Yeah, he's really good. He did, yeah, because he also did the one. And he's like 32 or something. Young, but he also did that one.

Scroll down just a little. We'll see his age on the right there. Says he was born in 2014. No, he's born 85. So he's, he's almost 40. Yes, so he's, he is two years. 37. Younger than me.

Yeah. So he's, he's, he's, La La Land, Whiplash, first man. That score, that's, that might be his best. The other stuff's really good. But the thing I love about Lolloland is that do do do do throughout the whole theme. It's not just the city of stars theme. It's just that those few notes.

Yeah, I like Damage's a lot also. Me too. He's another really. I had a chance to be an extra in his new film. Oh, what's the new one he's got? The new film's like, I don't even know if it has a title yet. It's based, it's based in the 20s. Okay.

I'm glad he took some time to do, to, you know, because it's, this is his first one since first man. Yeah. I think so, which is good. I bet you, COVID had something to do. with that? Maybe. Maybe. And I think it's also the fact that he, but, but he didn't get, and I probably, I bet you he was bummed too, because that movie didn't get the, it did bomb in the theater. It didn't get the right. And I thought it was a really good movie. It didn't get the recognition that it was hoping. I think that it was, it was talked about, because it was him, it was talked about it was going to be a best picture in numbers and Scott Mann's, oh my God, it's going to happen. But it didn't, but it didn't happen. And he, I think he did the right thing. Step back a little bit. Let the flash go on somebody else for a second. Step back and then come back swinging. because Hollywood loves a comeback. Look at, look up the cast for this film. Yeah, I'm sure.

And you'll go, oh my gosh. I remember seeing so many castings for the, there he is. Definitely not going to spell his name right. But, uh, maybe she's on movies, yeah. I got, I saw so many castings for this.

Let's see who we got. And then I was like, oh, well, who's in this? Yeah, he's super young. He's same thing, same age as the other dude. 38. Wait till you see that. First, where is the cast? All right.

So, film on Babylon. Babylon, is that? Babylon. That's it. All right. So Babylon. Here's the, here's the cast for Babylon. uh, Damien Chazel's new movie.

Brad Pitt, Margot, Robbie, Toby McGuire. I mean, that's a pretty big cast. Yeah, and it's like the,

it's like Hollywood in the 20s, I believe. Tobre McGuire, Olivia Wilde, Samara, that's, that's pretty big. Eric Roberts,

Spike Jones, Gene Smart, Lucas, yeah, uh, Jeff Garland. This is going to be great. Yeah,

there's a lot in here. Yeah. Frederick Kohler. Wait, so this, this, is that, is that chip from,

is that chip from, is that chip from, from, from, from Kate and Alley? I don't know. Could it be? It's got to be.

That was my Michael Cole for everybody. Could it be? Holy shit. Is that Chip from Kate and Alley? How far back are we going to have to scroll here? Kate Nallies is something like the early 80s, 70s. That really looks like Chip from Kate and Alley. Kate Nally.

It's true. It is. What a eye. What a pull. Yeah, he was also a Mr. Mom. Holy shit. I didn't know Chip was still doing on. impressive.

He was, I guess he's from, and he's from Queens. Just like, and shit with the same age. Look at, wow. So you're,

you're connecting with Chip here, Frederick. Yeah, and I'm connecting with Damien Chazelle. Yeah, well. There we go. Well,

who's had the better career. I don't know. Chip looks at he's doing all right. And he's from, I want to know a part of Queens. Now I'm going to go down this rabbit hole to find out where, I'm going to call him Chip. It's named Frederick Kohler.

Chip. When does this movie come out? Good. Okay, you look up Frederick Kohler. I'm going to look at Frederick Cole. down the Babylon, Rabbit Hall. So let's see where we are.

Okay. He's an American actor. Best known for the oldest chip. And he was on Oz. That's right. He was on Oz. And now he's in a Damien Chazel film. Yeah.

Which comes out on Christmas Day. Christmas day. All right. Which is this Christmas. Yep. So that's great. An Oscar film. This is insane.

Oh, Jackson Heights. He's from Jackson Heights. Okay. There you go. Look at. So we just found all the information that we wanted. You and I went through a lot together. Yep.

Oh. And I have this for you because I posted this today before we, before we went on there. I did my list on Rocky movies. You big Rocky guy? Love. All right. Here's my list.

I don't want to tell you. Ooh, okay. I got no one and two usually always switch for me, but today when I made this list, it landed at Rocky 2 is number one. Rocky is two. Rocky 3. Then I have Creed, then Rocky Balboa. Rocky 4, the director's cut and the irregular cut land in the six spot.

Creed 2 at 7 and then Rocky 5. All right. So I definitely agree. Rocky 5 is the worst. Yeah. I love Rocky 4. The director's cut? Did you watch the director's cut?

No. Okay. You know that Stallone put out this whole director's cut this year or last year. Did you not see it? No. Oh, dude. How much tries you missed? Different is it?

Completely different. Really? Completely. So you're a guy, you like watching those docs. He did an hour long documentary on him changing it and everything. You'll find it on YouTube. It's on the Stallone channel. Watch that first.

Okay. And then he goes in, he does a, it's a more, it's more of a drama, way more of a drama. Um, there's, you can see why he made a lot of choices. There's some stuff that I didn't like at all. It felt, it feels a little spiteful because Bridgett Nielsen is essentially cut out of the entire like, like his ex-wife is cut out of the movie completely. She's like, she like nods a few times, but it's just no lines anymore. Like maybe one or two.

Um, uh, Drago's a little bit more human in it than. You are lose. Yeah, he's, he, there's more stuff that he, that he says. So, so there must have been a lot of stuff that there was a lot that didn't get cut or didn't make it in the film. Yeah. Well, remember. the movie, the original theatrical cut is like an hour and 26 minutes.

This one is still like 135, 140, but he put, it's weird. He put in so much that wasn't in it, but cut a lot of stuff that was, and it's still around the same, almost the same time length. I think he could have made a two-hour movie. You know Rocky Four pretty well? Yep. So, you know the funeral scene that is like basically after Apollo? It's like, it's more detailed.

You have the speech, which works. There's a lot of stuff that works. I should. You know, that's a big moment. You should watch. I will. And there's also that scene that I always wanted to see as a kid when he meets with the boxing commission. You see it in like a newspaper clipping in Rocky Ford, but they have that whole scene in the movie.

Oh, great. Why did they cut all this out of the original? He explains it. He explains why, because it was the time of 85, the way that it was more of like a music video, which he goes to this whole thing in a documentary where he talks about how he wanted to make it less of a music video. But the entire South Paul scene in the car with no easy way out, it's still all in there. And the training and the mountains. Yeah.

That's, yeah, it's, you should really watch it. It's on, you can find it everywhere. I will do that this weekend. Yeah, Apple podcast, I mean, Apple is on, has it, anywhere, you can find anywhere. But I still think that Rocky 4, the theatrical cut, and I put it into the same rank, so that's why I have it at 6. What's your, so where would, where would you go then? Here's, here's your, why Rocky 2 over Rocky? So, Rocky 2 to me, I just watched, I watched Rocky 1 through 4 with my daughter recently.

I just love the struggle of Rocky. even more so in the second movie where he has like a little we've all been there he gets a little taste of success and doesn't use it the right way he just he's just so happy to have money and he thinks he thinks it's going to be okay and things just go wrong for him to where he's got to lean back and he's it's i don't know it's just more of really the essence of who the character is and then he wins and and i love this i love the bill conti's score even more so in the second one i even though the fight in the first fight it was a little bit more even. Rocky's getting his ass kick, the majority of this thing, but he

continues to go. And is the classic, yo, Adrian, I did it. Everyone, that's another Mandela thing. Everyone thinks that comes from the first movie, and it's from the second one. And I think the relationship with him and him and Mick are really good. Yeah, I usually, a lot of

times I'll have Rocky one right there and then two back and forth. Sometimes three hits the number one spot. Yeah, I don't think you can argue with those three. Yeah, they rotate. In any order. Yeah, they rotate. I just think that the boxing choreography in the newer films has gotten so much better.

I think better in Creed than... Like, Creed... In Creed's so good. Like, realistic. Yeah, I liked Creed's... I liked Creed's boxing better than Creed's two. I didn't like the realist, how realistic they tried to go

with Rocky Balboa, like, taking the whole HBO angle of it. And the whole, like, yeah, the... Like, it was shot, like, using TV cameras. It was. Yeah. Which was interesting. I understand why they did it. And I also thought the, I actually really like that movie a lot.

The monologue in Rocky Balboa. It's great. It's better than any monologue in any of these eighthals. One where he's with his son on the corner. Yeah, it's great. Not about how how'd you hit. Yeah. It's about how many times you can get here.

Keep moving forward. It's the best. And the, and the thing, Milo was miscast in that movie. Yeah, I mean, maybe, but. I just thought, like, especially in that scene, if you watch just that scene, he's like, I just feel like he's reading lines. and Stallone is like is the character.

Yeah, he didn't hit the same. You watch him now and like, this is us and he hits his stride. I don't think he had hit his stride at that point. He was still kind of coming off heroes and all that. You know how hard it is to be your kid? Yeah, he's trying to figure out. You know how hard that is?

I understand that. I remember when I could hold you in my head. It's a great scene. And it's funny because Rocky Balboa and Rocky Five have like a reverse for me where Rocky Balboa is a moment. is a movie where the entire movie is very solid, goes back to the roots,

the way that Rocky 5 was trying to and fails miserably. Rocky 5 did not need to be made. It didn't need to be made, but the way, and I'll tell you in a second, my opinion, how I think you could have saved that movie. But Rocky Balboa is everything that they wanted to do,

because in Rocky 5, what I couldn't stand was he goes back to the neighborhood, and we kind of, on the Collider Live, we made it, it's like a very well-known joke that we had, is the guy is like one of the most renowned boxers of all time, and no one offers him a deal. No one gives this guy a fucking commercial. Yeah.

Come on. He's going back to, no one, he wouldn't be living in poverty. I mean, Tyson lost all his millions. He was living in poverty. Yeah. Like that wouldn't happen at all. And he just certainly,

and he goes right back to being super dumb again. It was ridiculous. But Rocky Balboa transitioned to that very nicely. And when he walks in with his son and people run it up to him going, hey, champ, can I have you? No one's doing that in five. They're treating them exactly like he always was. And it's ridiculous.

And Salon knows that it's. It's a terrible movie. But the ending of Rocky Balboa, I think if they would have shot it the way they used to in the old school fights, the way that they did it that way. And Rocky Five would have ended with Tommy Morrison and Balboa in the ring.

Better movie. Maybe not 100% better, but better. You should like to direct a better film, I feel like. And Rocky Balbole of Rocky Five, I would like to take, if I could deep fake, if I could deep fake a movie, I would do, I would do Rocky. We're not far away from that, I don't feel like.

No, not at all. So what are you got? I would move. I would move Rocky 4 a little higher. Okay. But over what, though? Rocky Boboa. Yeah.

So you probably definitely flip those. It's a great list. Rocky 5 deserves to be at the bottom. Creed 2, I think also is down there. I like Creed 2, but it's just not better than those other movies. That's what I, I love Creed 2. You're right. It's not better than those other films.

And where will Creed 3? That's the question. Where will Creed 3 land? Have you interviewed Michael B. Jordan? I have. Isn't he great? It's great. And I did, and it was for Creed.

Oh, yeah. And I didn't get, I would love to do an hour long with him. I did a junk interview with him. But I did this whole thing when I was with Fandango. And I said I wanted to do a, a stare off with him. So I put on my Yankees like a skull cap. And I went face to face with him. And I put two seconds, I'm good.

He was, he was great. But look, man, this is a, this is fun. We got to do this again. Yeah, thank you so much for having me come by. Yeah. Are you going to be, so here's the question on the table for the Shmodum fans. Are we going to see you back in the Shmoudan or what? In studio?

What's the deal? I don't know. Oh, you scared? Thug Benz is out there. I need redemption. You need redemption. Because my first and only match, I mean, we went deep. Sudden death.

Deep into overtime. Yeah. Deep into sudden death. I felt like I could have pulled it out. And you got to come back more now because there's more of the, this is more like what you know. This is the wrestling side of it. Yeah.

I don't know, man. You might have to. I think never say never, is what I will say. Honorary action member with, you should see what Bateman and Guy just did recently. But Chris Van Vlee, make sure you check him out and go to his YouTube channel and follow him on TikTok, especially if you're a wrestling fan. There's no reason, A, you probably already are following him. But if you're not, you should. He gets great interviews on his channel.

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