The Kristian Harloff Show - CAN DEADPOOL + WOLVERINE save the 2024 summer box office disaster?

Episode Date: May 29, 2024

Special live episode today of the Big Thing. The 2024 season of movies has been rough. There have been a lot of disappointments this year. The summer has been off to an atrocious start. Falll Guy didn't fare well, Apes did ok, Garfield was average and Furiosa did poorly. Can the summer season boune back. Will Deadpool and Wolverine make enogh to put a bandage on the bleeding? Speaking of Deadpool and Wolverine, Hugh Jackman talks about why he stepped away from the role after Logan in 2017. New trailers for Moana 2 and Wolfs. This and more on today's live episode with Kristian Harloff and Mike Kalinowski.

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Cummins is a registered trademark of CUNS-N. How's it going, everybody? Welcome back to the big thing. It's Wednesday. It's a special live edition of the big thing. And yeah, Kalinowski will be here in just a moment. It's catching up on the trailers that we're going to talk about here today. But I'm glad that you guys are joining us.

I'm glad that you guys are here. We're just still in the transition between New York and L.A. And things got kind of, I guess, miscommunication. So we'll have Mike and Steph both back in studio next week. and Mike will be in momentarily on the live stream. So we're going to do the same thing that we do for Mondays. You guys, we'll go through all the topics that are on the docket today. And then you guys can put in your questions.

If you have any super chats, throw them in there. And we will get to them by as soon as the topics are over and we'll be here until you're done asking. So what do we have today? Well, as you saw when you clicked on a Deadpool Wolverine, the latest movie, from the MCU, got a lot of weight on its shoulders. And not only now, because of the obvious of,

can it pick back up the MCU, who's been kind of floundering a little bit, but now the question is, can it pick up a kind of a hurting box office for the summer? I mean, for the year, or for the summer, for sure. And you look at, we'll kind of dive into some of the stuff with Fall Guy

and some of the things that happened with Furiosa and Garfield and Apes and everything. everything too. So we'll talk about all that stuff and see if Deadpool and Wolverine can save the box office, at least for the summer. We think it's got an opportunity to do that. Something I didn't put in the description because it just dropped. You guys know my involvement and my passion for the Masters of the Universe movie. Well, it looks like they once again asked a new he-man. Will this one actually stick? Will this version of the movie actually happen? We'll talk about that.

There's some new trailers. The trailers for Wolves with George Clooney and Brad Pitt. New trailer from Moana 2. The Acolyte is not too far away. Will it deliver? Can it deliver? Some people say it's good. Some people say, I haven't seen it yet.

So I don't know. So we'll talk about that. Apple Podcasts, Spotify, anywhere podcasts are found. You can do it all. So make sure you do that. Subscribe to the channel if you haven't done it. ready i had a great interview with thomas jane yesterday that was awesome you haven't checked that out on the channel please do so but it is time for the show it's me it's mike kellinowski

there we go what's up everybody welcome back to the show the big thing show myself and it's eric mike kellinowski what's working can you hear me yeah i can you hear me yeah i can you how you doing i'm fucking having a morning buddy i'll tell you that much good cursing right off the battle we live yeah we're live if it will do it live if it will do it live so yeah and i'm able to actually not have to worry about the music through the freaking stream yard i can run it through my obs now and then once i get running up in new york i have this other program that i'm going to be using but um it's good to have you on the show how how it's been good man i feel i haven't seen you a while how you've been it's good you know you're just you know getting ready and i think like i said

I thought we were going to be in studio today, but we didn't, it didn't work. We'll be back next week. Look at you. I know. I know, right. And I'm looking like a hobo over here. You're all right. I saw, um, you know, I saw bike riders last night.

Oh, yeah. I can only, I can't give a review yet of it, but I just gave my initial thoughts. I said, I wanted it to be great. It was good. What was your thoughts on, uh, what came out? Furiosa. Oh, yeah. I like Furiosa.

I understand it. I guess that kind of will lead us into. this topic. Let's just get right into it. Let's get into it. Let's dive into it. Let's start with the news here. Well, no, that one, we won't do that one just yet. We'll do this one. So Deadpool and Wolverine, Deadpool and Wolverine right now, this is a movie that has a lot on its shoulders, as I said in the intro. You got the MCU that it's trying to revitalize and start the multiverse thing, getting people excited. excited about it. But now with the summer season, the way it is, it's, uh, it's pretty, it's pretty

tough. Paul guy has, didn't do that well. Apes did okay, Garfield did okay, Furiosa did bad. So the question is now, can this movie not only save the MCU, can it save the summer box office? And Mike, I don't know, man, what do you, what do you think? Can this movie alone starts to pick up? Because this has been the most disappointing 2004. There's been one of the most disappointing years and easily one of the worst Mays, if not the worst May, in box office history.

They said it was like the worst Memorial the weekend like 30 years. Yeah. Since the 90s. I don't know, dude. I don't know what's going on. I don't know, man. I ain't got no answers for this one because like, Fall guy's great. Furiosa, everyone's loving. These movies that are not doing well,

the people that see them are loving them. And the critics are raving about them. So many good point. Answers are easy. Good. What do you think? What's your answers? I was talking to one of our patrons yesterday. And it's the same. It's,

there's a lot of different reasons. And one of the main reasons is that for you and I, we're like, we're in the movie bubble. We're in the spirit. So you're, you're a movie guy. You're, you're not single,

but you don't have children, right? So you'll go on it. But even so, if you're going to go on a date night with your lady, you know, it's like, it's going to cost you a penny. But you, for the most part, there's something you want to see.

You know, you're probably, you'll probably see maybe two, three movies a month, right? Yeah, minimum. Yeah. Right. So the average, just everyday person who's not in the sphere. Yeah. He's not doing that. They're looking at their, they're looking at their, they're looking at

entertainment and everything else that's going out there. They look at their, they look for that month and they go, okay, if I'm going to choose one out of these that I've seen, do I want to see ball guy? do I want to see apes? Do I want to see Furiosa or do I want to take the kids and go see Garfield? Like what do I do here? And this particular guy that I was talking to, he said he's a big apes fan. He's a huge apes fan.

He knew that he was going to see apes no matter what. And that was his movie for May. And he said that I had heard everybody raving about Fall Guy, but all that made me realize is that that will be something that once it comes on, on whatever it is already on demand, but when it's on actually HBO Max or whatever it is when that comes out. Now he's got something to watch with his wife that he knows.

Oh, I heard this was good. Let's watch this tonight. Yeah. And the money for it. I don't know, man. I'm torn because we, a lot of people in L.A. post their ticket prices and out here it's outrageous for a movie.

It's ridiculous. But like some people post pictures from like, you know, Iowa and it's like still like eight bucks on a Saturday night. Like I don't know. I don't know. I see a lot of people talking about how the movie going experience is awful now as far as people that, 30 minutes of trailers, which is ridiculous.

And then people talking, people on their phones, that culture of watching movies gone. Yes, that's another point. That's an, I mean, someone made a great point. This is something I never think about. Two different things. One, they always say, well, look at every single month, people are still spending $150 going to a sporting event. So that's, you know, families taking the kids. I'm going to take my kids to the ballpark.

Not once a month, but not once a month. I don't know about that. I don't know. But here's the bigger one. And this is something that I don't, you know, I want to believe that movies theaters are never going away, but someone made a great point. They go, they go, this feels to me, they said, like the mid to late 90s of the arcade. We got to the point where arcades, and I remember it because I was in college, we were in college. Arcades, you know, people talk about a communal experience, going to the movie theater.

Yeah, going to play video games is a communal experience. I remember put my quarters up for Mortal Kombat and spent him four hours of the arcade to play Mortal Kombat. But then in the mid-90s, the home game system. systems got better and they started putting Mortal Kombat at home and you're just like, I don't, so theaters, all they have to offer right now is a bigger screen. That is it. Sounds pretty good too, man. But you can, but I guarantee you can get some sound. Great sound at home. You can get some great surround sound. There's no doubt. But I mean, I even, I've got a good surround sound system here, but I'm not going to get the kind of, like when I saw Furiosa and the revving up of the engines and those. I'll tell you, the prime theater. at AMC with the Batman and that Batmobile sequence. Right. There's certain movies, but what I'll say to that point what you made there is that I think that there's definitely what, and this is one of the reasons that I've kept hammering down

the point that budgets need to change because you can't sustain on what you're doing here with a $170 million Fieriosa movie and you're not even cracking 60 million or whatever it is worldwide. So, but I don't think that the movie theater experience will ever die. because I think it'll, I think it'll more turn into in the same way that Broadway never died out, right? Sure. You're right. Because I think that there's, I just think that they've got to be more limited because back in the day was let's go see everything.

Everybody, you could put four or five movies out in a weekend and yeah, let's go see it because and the streaming, because of video games, because of things on your phone, because of VR. There's just so much to watch now and so much entertainment at your disposal that you really got to want. That was my point with the Apes. comment before is that you've got to really want it. And when people like that's, and that's why I'm talking about Deadpool and Wolverine, that movie is going to make a billion dollars even more so now.

I think more. Yeah, I mean, Drew McQueenie made a good point on, he was tweeting out he's like when he used to work at a theater. Makes good points. Yeah, he says people sometimes on a Friday night would just show up and go, all right, well,

that's kind of close to, that's a place. That starts about 15 minutes. Let's go see that. They didn't even care. They just showed up at the movie theater. to see a movie and then you just kind of like okay that time looks good that's i heard something about that that sounds good let's go watch this now it is that well i've got one movie a month i'm going to see

and deadpool's coming out next month and that's the one that that's the must see you i got to see that the biggest screen and the spoilers are going to happen right away right so i don't want to be spoiled like fall guy that's a movie i think why three four months from now i mean why didn't tell me this was so good this is a great movie i'm having fun with this thing when people are watching at home. But I think they're going to be, but that's the point of it is because there's so many of these movies now, really good movies that you can see

on streaming that that movie, unfortunately, seems like a streaming movie now. Sure it does. Right? You know, it doesn't seem like a movie that you're like, oh, I got to go see this in the theater. And that was my point with like the Broadway comparison. What movies do you like, I cannot

miss this in the theater? Like, June. June was a movie that people couldn't miss in the theater. That's why it did. you think Furiosa would be that? Well, I mean, I don't. The last Mad Max movie, the Fury Road movie, it did good. It didn't do good. But the difference between Dune and Furiosa is that Dune was a continuation.

It was a part two of a story that led people on their edge of the seat of the first one going, oh, my God, what happens next? Furiosa, and this is coming from somebody who liked the movie, Viriosa was a movie that no one was really asking for this particular character to have her own film. I like that she got her own film, but it wasn't even the same actress. It was a different actress who's not a major star. She's a great actress, great actress, but she's not a major star. And so asking, putting that and saying, okay, here's a $170 million movie with a character that was, that was, it's not even Mad Max, it's Furiosa.

Here's her own movie. And it's a prequel for this person. I think as, and again, coming from someone who liked the movie, I think that if you would have done a Charlie Stern, Tom Hardy movie again, is a sequel. that movie plays better, does better financially. I don't know if it would have been better overall, but it plays better financially. Yeah, and again, I think that goes to us with the sphere we're in, because I remember Comic-Con, I think it was 2014.

It's my first one, I think, and they did Mad Max the trailer. Yeah. And that room went ballistic. Like, I'm like, why is everyone loving this? Like, those three original movies, they kind of suck. What? The three Mad Max movies? Oh, come on, come on.

Get out here. They're not bad, but they're not like- The first one I'll give you his dated. I tried to watch the first one. Your little thing you did there for a couple of years made me have to watch those. What? The Schmo down. They threw Madnex into the inner geek.

Road Warrior is awesome. Yeah, but so I like, but then again, it is a smaller, like, and looking back, I didn't think about it, it did okay. It didn't do gangbusters, Fury Road. Right. I mean, I'm Fury Road. I'm kind of like with June. It's, I visually, I'm like, this is an incredible piece of movie making that I'm like,

How do they do this? The characters in the world just leave me cold. I don't, I don't grab. And I, and I think that that plays towards a lot of people. And I think that that's what the box office set, you know, and I think that there's a reason why. But then that's as you lead into, I think that to me,

it's not just Deadpool and Wolverine that can save the summer box office. It's the kids movies because you look at if, as an example. If started it out and people were like, ah, did it do okay. And then when I went this past weekend, and a Sunday afternoon was packed. In L.A.? Like you're over there in New York.

In L.A. And it's starting and it's like, okay, that one is just, that one to me has legs because it's a, it's movie in the same way that Garfield has already made $100 million. Has it really? I mean, worldwide. Wow. Let me ask you this.

Yeah. What's your thoughts on like, because before back in the day, we used to give a movie three, four weeks to find it. It was like TV shows. Like, ah, you get two or three seasons to find your audience. Now, after two nights, up, it's failure. Like, all these box office pundits Friday morning,

oh, no, it's going to have, it's going to be tanking for the box office. And then people like, even if it's like Friday to Saturday numbers jumped, and people like, wow, it's almost like the kids were in school on Friday. And now they're not. Right. Well, I mean, I think that there's a, it's back to the same original point of the, the box office has changed. the movie theater industry has changed. So you can predict what people are coming out to see.

And it's different where we've made this point when it comes to like streaming shows. People say a streaming show is a failure off of a weekend or all the ratings are down after like the first three weeks. I'm like Battlestar Galactica has people finding it now. And it's hit again. You know, so like the streaming show, they's one to do like, and or, and or's numbers are down. It's not a hit. And then yet it starts getting nominated for everything and people start going back and watching us. they heard it was good.

Streaming shows you can't treat in the same way you treat movies because movies, you tell on that box office and it's like then something else comes out and you look at the drop. It's the drop that tells you. Look at like Aquaman 2 is an example, right? Aquaman 2 looked like, oh, well, that movie didn't start out too well. But the drop from the second week wasn't that big. And then it's consistent.

That movie, I think it wound up either breaking even or maybe even making a problem. I think you did. You look at the number. I think Aquamian 2 is successful for, for DC its time. Considering considering a how it started, B, all the other financial disasters they had, that's a, that is a major win for them that they were able to do what you were just

sustained, but the difference is, look at when it came out. It came out in December. So nothing to pick at it, right? Maybe Wonka, but it was, but that's another movie,

it was another Warner Brothers movie anyway, but there's nothing to pick at it in the way that fall guy comes out. And then it's like, oh, you don't have a good weekend, see you later. James apes. And then apes, apes is going to wind up by thinking either breaking even or doing a profit, which right now, unfortunately, that's a win. If you can, in this, in this summer season, if you can just break even right now, that's a win. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's interesting. So whether or not Deadpool Wolverine can do it. It's, I think that it's Deadpool and Wolverine and then it's

the kids movies, because as I mentioned with if, if goes and makes some money, Garfield makes some money inside out is going to crush. Despicable me is going to crush. And that is. There's those despicable me this summer too? Yeah, man. That one's that's got that's the other chance. That movie has is the other potential billion dollar

maker. What kind of is frustrating to me is the fact that all this does is reinforce the studios. What we're going to give you superheroes, we're going to give you animated movies. Like, if you look at the month of May, that was a nice change of pace for different stuff. Yes, I know.

Apes is an IP and I know Fall Guy's an IP per se but half the audience went to see Fall Guy didn't know that that was based on TV show. Right. You're not, you're not, it's not a local. It's not a DC. It's not a potter. Right. They're different. And apes, yes, it's a franchise and but it's, there are these non, like, it's, it's, it's hard to describe it.

I'm glad if it's doing great. I'm glad that it's not for me. I want to see it. Not doing great, but it's not, but it's not a disaster. And it's, and because it, it goes back to the original point of the kids movies can be events for the family because there's not a lot of options, right? And then because there's so many, like, Fall Guy is in part of a place where there's a lot of different options. Kids movies, there's not a lot of options. And the summer is the best time to see them, whether it's if, despicable me, Garfield, inside out.

Like, that's all stuff that I'm going to take my kids to see. And a lot of families will take their kids to see it. And that's a good point because, you know, Nathan, my best friend, you know, like he got, he had a family, three kids, wife. And back in the day when they were all the younger, I remember I would give him shit because he'd be like, yeah, we went and saw the new Disney movie. And I was like, did you see the new mission of possible? I haven't gotten to it yet. Right. I was like, what the?

I was like, what do you mean? You didn't see it yet. He's like, well, we got the kids. We see the Disney movie. I'm like, well, you don't understand. He's like, I'll catch it. Maybe by myself one day. I'm like, that's it.

I get it, man. That's how, and that is how it works. And I feel like if I, if I didn't do this and I didn't go to press screenings, I would be in the same boat as Nate, same boat. Because it's like, it's, you can get out of the house when you can get out of the house. And if your kids can't see the movies with you or your significant other isn't into the one that you want to see, you don't see it. But that's, oh, but like that's not new. No.

For the history of Doc's office, there's always been families and kids and, you know, so. Absolutely. but but the but couple that with the idea now of streaming with those families that now can say hey that's all the guy just hit why don't we why don't we stay home today we'll make some popcorn you order a pizza and we'll and we'll and we'll do that you save yourself some money on the concessions you watch a movie that people said was good and I mean look at that big argument you in the roadhouse movie right how they wanted to go streaming and theatrical um it's because that's a streamer though it's a streamer but that enjoyed it but it's a streamer but that that's a streamer but that

That movie, if it's made in 1998, is a $60 million, $50 million movie you put in the theater and you take a shot to see what you can do. If that, hell, do you make that thing with $35 million. Yeah, right, whatever. And you make a profit easily. Easily. So whether or not, I think that it's, I do think that the movies that Disney has right now has, has, have the opportunity to put some money back into it.

And, and then I, I'm sure there's some other one, the bigger ones that are coming out in the summer. I don't remember what else is coming out to some. Bad boys, right? Bad boy. I'm glad you brought up bad boys. Bad boys and Twisters are the two movies that could wind up having a good box office and B, really surprising box office. Like if bad boys, because if the last bad boys was pretty damn good. It was really good. And like I said, everybody always wants to see someone fall off a pedestal, but they also want to see him climb back up. So if Will Smith is now, I believe, I believe that the public majority has said, yeah, you know, it's over.

We'll go, we'll go check this out. I don't think there's anybody going, we're not going to see this because he slapped Chris Rock anywhere because also Chris Rock slapped him verbally now back so many different times. That's kind of like, they're even. All right. Yeah. So, and I'm, I, it doesn't bother me at all. I will not be thinking about it at all.

No, I want to see the movie. And if the movie's good and it delivers, that would be great. And the same way that Twisters is interesting to me because I didn't, I thought the trailers were fun. But people really love that first movie. I showed my wife that trailer. She was so excited that there was a sequel. She had no idea. And now she wants to see that one.

So I don't know. I don't know if that one was delivered me. Like I enjoyed the first one. But what are you going to show me that we didn't see in the first movie? They're tornadoes. Same movie, dude. You're going to see the same movie, but the question is, is there going to, are you going to get the 18 to 24 year olds to see that basically for the first time and then want to go back

and revisit it in the way that like Top Gun Maverick did, right? Like Top Gun Maverick or there were, I remember so many people who were like, I never really seen the first one. I thought the first one was cheesy coming out of that movie going, wow, that was just incredible. I don't even care if I've ever seen the first one. I don't need to. I wonder if they're going to do the same with twisters.

But, and Glenn Powell, the question is, what is he? can he but I think in this movie to back him up because I really like him I'm seeing a lot of kind of backlash against him but I like that guy but you're not going to see this movie for him no no no you're going for the

you're going to see giant cows everywhere and set me off on fire of course and it's like one of those events movies and that movie will say a lot about the box office it really will because if that movie delivers because say what you will about Marvel

We know that I think you and I are both in the same page that had been kind of subpar since maybe no way home, right? Subpar, yes, you're right, but I've been there every opening weekend still because they have the goodwill. That's my point. My point is that you and I are in the same point as subpar, but the box office needs Marvel movies because even something like- you want to say it or not, it sure does. Even something like the Marvels still made like $400 or $300 million, if that, but still, it may still be $300 million, whatever it was. It was a disaster. We lost money, but it still got, Black Adam.

Black Adam was a DC movie made, I think people, when I said 400, they said, no, it didn't. Let's say 350, whatever. Those movies and their budget should be lower, but they're still putting in, you know, two to $300 million in the box office. And then the other one is Dr. Strange made like $800 million. That's, and I think Thor did too. Thor made like seven something. And that movie sucks.

Yeah. So, well, I'll tell you this. It needs the Marvel movies. The box. true test, I think, will be Deadpool's an outlier. Like, because this hype is kind of reaching that level of

it's unstoppable at this time. Because then there's going to be almost a year before Cap 4, and that movie has had such bad luck with it and bad press, and that will be the one, because I know people are talking about this shift and the Marvel's, the reset and stuff, and people are looking, but like

this Agatha thing, this was all pre them stopping. This thing, that train was going. So, these kind of projects that are in limbo that are part of the old kind of Marvel that they're trying to change. Like Deadpool is its own thing. I think in Marvel movie after Deadpool, that will be the true test to see if the audience have cooled on Marvel. I couldn't agree more. I totally agree.

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morning. What happened? I got up. I've been working doubles lately and I went to bed at like three and I had to be up at like eight and the damn dogs, went nuts and this and that. It's just a whole life. It's just a whole thing. How you guys deal with? kids, I can't do it. I get dogs. It's not the best. It's not the best. Let's get to, uh, another he man, right?

Another he man, another studio, another director. Let's, let's see. Let's, let's see what the actual deal is here with, uh, with he man. Okay. So this, this was reported by variety, I think today. I think so. Let me read. Let me read.

Oh, deadline. Excuse me. Deadlines. Who is this guy. So Nick, this is the guy that was. in that movie with Anne Hathaway. Nicholas Gallagal, Galadzine, to play He-Man in Amazon, MGM, and Mattel's Masters of the Universe.

So following the huge success of his prime video rom-com, the idea of you, and red, white and royal blue, Nicholas Galizine, Galad-Zine, Galad-Zine, we'll get it right one of these days, is staying in business with Amazon MGM as he's been tapped to star as He-Man in the live action, Master's of the Universe flick from the studio and Mattel. While long awaited, details as to the film plot

are under wraps based on the iconic franchise from Mattel. It will be directed by Travis Knight, who's working from a script by Chris Butler, David Callahan, Aaron Knee, and Adam Ney, worked on an earlier draft. Masters of the Universe will be produced by escape artist Todd Black, Jason Blumenthal, and Stephen Teich, as well as Mattel films Robbie Brenner,

previously and developed at Sony, Netflix. The film will be released exclusively in theaters worldwide on June 5th, 2026. Catering on the battle between the heroic he-man, the universe's most powerful man and Skeletor, the Masters of Universe, was introduced by a way of popular action figures in 1982. A year later, the animated series, He Man in the Masters of Universe premiered,

became one of the first children's programs to be syndicated on TV during its two-season run. Several other films and television adaptations followed, and today the franchise continues to span such consumer touchpoints as toys and video games. We are thrilled to bring the beloved Master's Universe to life and couldn't be more excited to announce the immensely talented Nicholas Gallitz it's signed as our he man said julia rapaport head of film production at amazon joining forces with travis night metell and escape artist the reintroduction to the character and his universe will be an epic film that will delight audiences from here to eternity there's a lot more on the article itself

where they talk about his performances and everything too and so every single time that there has been i know a movie i'll tell you with now going back to the history of this i know people are some people if you knew the show, you'll hear this for the first time. And if you've been following for a while, you're bored of death of the story, but I'm going to give it the most condensed version of it as I can. I literally just had this conversation with my friend David Gambino I had lunch with and when I was at Silver. The script was in turnaround. I had a chance when I was there. I looked at it. It was John Wu's script. It was terrible. I brought it to Susan Downey and she was like, this script is terrible. I said, yes, it is. But if you did science meets magic, Lord of the Rings, meets Star Wars,

you could really turn this into something. Then I went to the financiers over at Village Road Show. The guy that was there, got it. Main person that was running it didn't. So then I went to legendary. And then when I went to legendary, there was a guy there was working on the heat me, Riley, and this guy were working on this treatment for Masters of the Universe for weeks. And the guy's like, I'm so into it.

I'm so into. This is perfect. This is going to work. I'll take it to Thomas Tolts. It's going to be big. And then I, and then out of nowhere, the guy calls me and says, oh, we have Conan the barbarian. We can't do this anymore.

I'm like, where did that come from? You can just get Conan. What would they come from? So I was working with Jenison and Strickland, who were guys that I found that basically replaced Josh Whedon at Warner Brothers with their Wonder Woman script. They were friends. They found them. They found the script.

And then the script was bought by Warner Brothers. And they were like kind of like hot shots at the time. So I was like, you know what? So maybe my friend, Navid Macalogy, we sat down. We started working on a take with them. We got a phone call from Justin Marks. agent and justin marks is is a badass and i love justin marks justin marks just a gun justin marks at top gun maverick justin marks is a boss and i love just a agent goes hey this guy from

legendary brought justin marks this he man thing which is in turn around so the guy who we were working with basically ripped it off and and went to justin who just didn't oh and justin wrote a great treatment and then they went up taking it and i almost choked this guy was justin's script was that gray skull uh uh gray skull oh that was i I think that was, gray skull was... I read one of those that was really good. Yeah, I think gray skull was the one. Maybe it was, I can't remember.

Maybe it was, whoever did it was, that was a good one. I think so. But either way, the idea was science and magic. And then it all, Joe Silver didn't know how to do it. You didn't know what the hell it was. What is it? Purple tiger, we're pissed? You didn't know.

He's a kid and becomes muscular. Studio executives didn't know. And I was like, and I, so much so that I was offered like to a bump up to creative executive have induced it up there. I said, I'm, I'm, I'm done. I don't want anything to do with this project anymore. And I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I said, no. Um, because, because this guy was such a, a loser, the guy who stole it. Anyways, so, uh, but either way, it went, that was in like 2007. And it stuck around Warner Brothers and Joel Silver for a little bit. And then it fell apart. And then it got picked up somewhere else. And then it got, then it got, then it got,

they kept more and more and more. The people, they just didn't know the takes. And another person was cast and this person was cast and you read about what was going to be and you're like no this is the first time since 2007 when i that i said this might be the way to go from the guy Travis knight who to me did the best live action transformers movie to date in bum back um i think that he will get the tone of this and i like this casting of this kid this is the first casting of prince adam that I said, yeah, that guy can do it. I think this, this, I think they might be able to pull this off, Mike, but maybe I'm being optimistic.

What do you think? I don't know, man. I'm coming from the old school of Dolph Lundgren. So anytime we've seen casting over the past couple years, there are these kids. Like, I'm like, what are you going to do? Are you going to make him work out? And then CGI, I'm like Chris Evans and Captain America, make him skinny. like it's a tough one that's a that's a tough yeah I mean but I don't know what you're doing I like

they look like kids to me they don't look like it's he kid it's not he man I don't know I think this guy I think this guy can do it man if you look at that movie that he did with Anne Hathaway I think that he he can he can definitely do it and I I do that's always been the concern of how you do the transformation yeah what I hope that they do though more so it's it's the tone for me because I actually the same conversation and I saw somebody say in the chat right now. My friend David Gambino, as we were sitting down, he says, does anybody care

about that IP anymore? And I said, well, it's different if you're going to compare it to, like, say, like the fall guy and masters of the universe. Because if you made an epic film that's science versus magic, Lord of the Rings versus Star Wars, and it's good. It doesn't matter if you're familiar with the IP or not. In the same way,

let's go ahead. Yeah. Sorry. Whoa. Good Lord. Stop screaming, Indy. screaming, look at them, screaming his balls off. You talk there for a second. I'll talk. As, and he loses his mind. So either way, I think that if you made the tone,

this science versus magic, Lord of the Rings, Star Wars thing, and you got people and she said, well, that looks just like a cool movie, and it looks like a good story, and you can set up an actual franchise. And you stay true to the essence. And I think what they really need to do is go as the same way that I wish that they would go to the G. I Joe Marvel comic books, I would hope to, yes, I, I loved Masters of the Universe from the 80s cartoon, but it's cheesy. There's a lot of this essence is, the essence of things that really work. It's the cartoon network show from 2002. That's, that's the one. That that's where

you get your story from. That's where you get your lore from. If you can pull that stuff and bring that to light, not enough people watch that series, but 2002, that was, that was, I remember. Yeah. Well, I like the Kevin Smith one too. But you know, it's funny you say that because for me like this like Lord of the Rings Adun, Furiosa. I know you don't want to throw those to studios, those names like Furiosa because it's now they're like, well, that's the movie didn't make anymore so we're not

going to do it. Like I've always thought the way you think for me and we still haven't hit with the way I want it like a Mortal Kombat but done in the style of Lord of the Rings. Sure. Like where you take it seriously and not just for the gore factor. Like I really wanted to like that 2001 movie that came out and now the new one, the sequel to that,

but it's the same director and they're like bringing back all the cast that died. And I'm just kind of like, of Mortal Kombat? Yeah. Yeah. I'm kind of like,

yeah. But like He Man, I think could work. If you pop the trailer out and the visuals are crazy and you, but you really like, I don't see, it's hard to because you don't,

you want that movie to look expensive. But I don't think you need, like visual effect. Like, if you just make these cool vistas and these cool, It's, I just, that's why I trust. Yeah, that's, but that's why I trust in Travis Knight. If this was, yeah, I like him.

I would be more skeptical in the same boat that you were of like, I don't know. These, like, say, some director, I'm like, all they do is rely on CGI. They're not going to really get the essence. When I, I'm telling you, when I saw Bumblebee and I was just expecting another dump of a Transformers movie, and I remember sitting there with Ellis and they opened up on Cybertron. I'm like, where's this been for the last 10 years? Like, holy. He made a good point.

He's like, they're like, why would they learn no to transform to these vehicles? And this is like, didn't care. Don't, you don't need to explain it. Right. Just transform and that's the shape that they take. Like, just go along with the ride. Like, I was upset that he got knocked off of, um, what happened? Am I frozen?

No, you're all right. Go ahead. Okay. I was upset he got knocked off $6 million man to do this because I was, him as a director. I was like, that'll finally get $6 million man going. But I think he, of all the directors that are out there, he's the, one for it, I think. I agree. I really like this. I'm optimistic and I have not been optimistic about it. Yeah. But I will ask you guys the question, are you optimistic for this? Do you think it can work? Do you think that even

for, and I, and I forgive me for the person who wrote that me and my friends are, don't really know about Master's Universe, nor do we care. If they put out a trailer that was a good science fiction fantasy thing and the way that Rebel Moon tried to do it, right? Rebel Moon tried to do it, a fantasy science fiction movie, and it just didn't go over well, but people were excited before they saw it. They were. You guys feel the same. All right. Let's move on to another topic here. And I think we, yeah, we had a handful of, we had a handful of trailers, Mike.

It's a handful of trailers that we saw. And the first one that I watched this morning was this Wolf's trailer. And this is, that's John Watts. How is it? Yes, John Watts. Oh, all right. So watching John Lutz, and I don't know what it is, and I think it's just, I don't know if I'm getting older or what it might be, but I just find comfort in watching George Clooney and Brad Pitt on screen again. I don't know if it's in the ocean movie or like, you know, they're buddies and the premise of the fact you get the two wolves, the two cleaners that show up in the same job.

They're forced to work together. It's like they're using their assets of the of comedy and their relationship. And then we've got to find a way. The only thing, like most trailers, I think they gave away too much in the trailer. I think they showed me the entire movie in the trailer. But the tone itself looks interesting. Now, it's still the same question I had in the beginning of this conversation. Do I think that it's a massive moneymaker at the box office?

No, but I think it's a good time to come out in September that if you're like, I want to go to the movies and these two old pros are at it. But I liked the trailer. What did you think? Yeah, I had no idea about this movie. and then you said, yeah, watch the trailer for this thing. And I'll be honest, the first 30 seconds, I'm like, oh, man, this is Clooney again, doing a serious movie. Did you ever see The American?

Yes. I love that movie. Yeah, yeah. And I thought we were going to get that George Clooney, the serious kind of killer, you know, cleaner thing. And then the comedy starts coming in. And I'm kind of like, okay. But then by the end, I'm like, yeah, I'll watch these guys do anything. And it looked good.

Like, I'm loving that. You said it's John Watts. I love that guy. I mean, I don't care of the Spider-Man stuff. He did the old man. And that show, so. Yeah. So then I saw it and I'm on board.

And he's doing skeleton crew, right? Yeah. Yeah. That's what we saw him at Star Wars. Yeah. Yeah, this movie looks great. And is September release. Shannon and I'll go see that opening night, opening weekend.

September is going to be a cool kind of throwback month because you have that movie with the old school stars and you got Beetlejuice part two, which comes out. Oh, that's in September? It's in September. Okay. So both those movies, I mean, you could. And I think that you can't look at this year with releases of like, oh, well, maybe they think, you know, they put this movie out in January. Maybe they don't like it.

They put this movie out in September because everything got just shuffled and pushed because of the strikes and still, you know, all of that. I'm, I'm actually excited for this stuff going on in September. September, October, well, September through December might even be way more successful than the summer. I mean, depending on what kind of comeback, the summer. can have, but I like this trailer. And you know, the other thing that I thought of when I was watching it is I wonder how much this movie cost to make. And it can't be that much because it's Apple. So it's Apple. Your big cost will probably come with those two guys, their salaries. And maybe they, maybe they're both producers. They both know how to save a buck on maybe the talent cost itself and

with points and everything else too. So maybe you maybe you scale back on that. Everybody else, I mean, there was, I think Amy Ryan, who's a very great actress, but I wouldn't assume super high priced. And then the kid, I don't know who that is, looks good in the movie, give him a new shot, do some, you don't, you can rely on the star power and the acting ability of those two that you don't have to surround them with high-priced talent and inflate your budget. I bet you that movie costs, I don't know, I would, 40 to 60 million,

I would say that movie costs and hopefully less. Yeah, no, I look good. I'm gonna see if they have it yet if they have it up there What do you think the voice of that Like the bosses I bet it's Julia Roberts The boss?

I think we're talking I'm about it's Julia Roberts Oh it might be It might make sense If even George could probably put that phone call in And she would do it I didn't even I didn't even really It'll be her a bullock

That's true It's true And I wonder if they're gonna do Any other Oceans movies I just got that whole set And they say they're doing one They've been talking about it I thought they're getting the group back.

I can't remember. Dude, I watched that one again recently when that 4K dropped. And there's that line about Clooney where he's like, you think I'm 48 years old. Do I look 48? And on my head, I'm like, yeah, you always look 48. And he's like 40 when that movie came out. Like, I can't believe it was almost over 20 years ago that movie came out.

It's insane. It's insane. Anyway, so, well, I ask you, I know, it's true. I ask you guys about this trailer. Did you like this trailer? Did you not like this trailer? What say you, do you think that it can do well? in September.

Put your comments in there. Let's talk about it. And then there was another trailer, Mike, that came out. And that one, which was, of course, where the hell is it? I thought I had it. There it is. Where the hell is it? Where is it?

Where is it? I can't find it. I mean, I don't have it in here. I thought I had it in here. Well, Moana, somewhere is Moana. We'll just talk about it because I can't find the damn thing. So Moana came out today, and it was a, little teaser trailer and it basically showed

this was a I don't want to direct the DVD, don't do it, but this was going to be a streaming movie. Was it? Yeah, it was a streaming movie. And then Bob Iger's like, what are we doing? Why in the world are we making Moana too, a streaming movie? What was this guy thinking? Like, let's take that movie that's finished, fix it up a little bit and put it up in the damn theaters. What are you doing? And I think it was the absolute right call, but it seems smaller than the first movie,

which might be a blessing in disguise. I got a question then, because I noticed it towards the end of the trailer. Yeah. Is that not the rock? It's the rock. Is it? Yeah, it's the rock.

It sounded like Bargain Basement Rock. No, he tweeted it. He tweeted the trailer out today. Stone. That's cool. I killed myself today. That's good. You'll be here all week.

You got to get you up on stage before I live. Hey, there you go. I know. I know. But yeah. The stone. My God. Duststone.

Duststone. Either way, the trailer itself, this is yet another movie to put into that conversation that we had with Despicable Me, Inside Out, if, Garfield, this is another movie that could elevate

the box office, which is the kids movie. Did you like, Wolf, what did you think of this trailer, first of all? Milana? Yeah. Whatever. Whatever. Did you like the first?

I found myself drifting off and looking other stuff on my desk. They're not for me. Yeah, okay. And that's okay. Not every movie that comes out has to be for this middle-aged white dude. Sure. Well, I'll tell you, the other thing with Moana, the first one is that it's still, it's still a, like one of the most played movies on Disney Plus. Now, aren't they doing the live action of that, too?

Yes. Yes, but that doesn't come out. That doesn't. When you said trailer this morning, I'm like, that's already got a trailer. That's what I thought. Yeah, no. I think that one either comes out in. 2025 the end of or 2026.

But yeah, there's no, I mean, they got to, we'll see. You know what I was thinking about the rock today? Because he had that first image of Mark Kerr. Yeah. A-24 movie. And I had Matt Sarah react to that. And he said it just looks just like him. But that movie is going to, I think, make people look at the rock in a different light. If the acting performance, it comes out the way that we think it will.

but I was thinking about, you know, where we are in a, in like kind of the gotcha moments type of thing. There's an article that came out against the rock, you know, the peeing in the bottles. Oh, yeah. That article seemed to do absolutely nothing.

Like, nothing. It's interesting. I don't know. And he didn't come out with anything against it. Like, didn't say anything about it. I wonder if his people are smart enough to just go,

just let it go. It's a stupid. Everyone in Hollywood's got their quirks. To me, what bother me about that. And again, that was coming off of kind of his whole trying to steamroll DC. You saw a side of them where his business savvy are kind of like, oh, I don't know if this is the best look. Like say what you will about him, but Tom Cruise also has a business savvy that's a lot different.

Like he's the guy making sure you're showing up on time and doing your job. Everyone on set is there to make a movie and love movies. Whereas the rock, that article seemed a little different. It makes me look at the Fast and Furious argument a little bit different with him and Vin and see what was different. Sure. So I've kind of soured on him for a while. Like, you know, I want to go back to the rock of the rundown, like that guy. Yeah, I mean, maybe so.

And I think, and that's fair to say like if people were getting tired of him or whatnot. I'm just saying that in like seven years ago, if that article comes out, I think he's going to have, there's going to be a lot more damage because everybody was just looking to throw darts at people and try to get people in trouble. And they tried to do that with him in this one. And I'm not, I'm not an excuse. the behavior. No, no.

The behavior was what they say it was. And it's trying to say it's crappy to show up to the thing late. It's crappy to do these things. But I'm just saying that the intent of the article. Let me ask for this. No one's talking about that article at all. Right. But let me ask you this.

Do you think no one's talk about the article because no one, everyone's kind of moved on from him? Like he's not what he was three years ago. So. Dude, there's people. There's people way less stars of him that, again, five, six years ago, they said something. I mean, look at. Look at the stuff like Richard Dreyfus right now, right? Richard Dreyfus, which very different circumstances,

but like, but people are going after Richard Dreyfus right now. And Richard Dreyfus hasn't been relevant in what? Yeah, but I think the Dreyfus stuff, he was attacking. Right, right. Rock's just pissing in bottles and being late. Like it doesn't affect anyone but the people around that. That's what I mean, though, is that they tried to get him on that article. Yeah.

It was just like, no one's talking about that article. It's not because they don't care. because they're just like, whatever. He pisses and bottles and he shows up later. People whoever are kind of telling him, just cool your jets on this one, don't say anything. That's going to go away. Money well spent with those guys,

whoever was backing him and telling them what to do. It'll go away. People will yell about this and tomorrow they'll be yelling at something else. It'll go away. And they're right. Then he'll get a sponsorship with Voss Water for the next movie. Absolutely. Watch.

Absolutely. He'll probably buy Vosswater. Anyway, so so curious with you guys what you think overall. about what we just talked about with the rock what we just talked about about the two trailers um let me get into this because i see it there's a bunch of questions in there we're going to get to all of them let me do one more news story here and then we'll um i'll bring this up this one's from mike oh oh look at there you go so you got this is apparently they said that james guns with destroke and you said destrook might actually have a have a have a role in the dc u we'll we'll we'll see um

where is it it's somewhere but this was something that I was so cute because of Joe Mangonello at one point you know I guess it was supposed to have like a bigger role doing this but now apparently death stroke might be coming to the DCU this is Garth Franklin over dark dark horizons DC studios chief James Gunn interacted with fans on his personal Instagram and he revealed that the DC villain Destrook is going to play a part in the DCU sometime in the coming years gun did post of himself in a Superman comic book t-shirt and a fan-ass gun to wink if he had plans for death stroke. He responded with a winking emoji. In the comics, Slade Wilson is one of Batman's most iconic antagonist and assassin known for his bicolor protective gear and deathly accuracy.

Joe Mangonello briefly played the character in the end of Zach Snyder's Justice League, but he is arguably best known as the primary antagonist of the second season of the CW's arrow with Menon-Bennett in the role across multiple seasons. Gunn has continued to offer steady updates on DC projects, most recently offering an update on Superman filming, which last week was just past the halfway mark of its shoot and confirming that Frank Grillo appeared on the screen in the second season of Peacemaker. The DC Universe kicks off with the Creature Commando series later this year,

followed by Superman next year. All right, Mike. So this is a big, this is a big, big role, right? And people love this guy. So what do you this will batman brave what's it brave? What's it? Brave in the Bold. Is that what it's called?

So that movie probably comes out first and then they introduce him, right? Yeah. I mean, here's the thing. I love the way he's handling. People are sometimes like, get off social media and just do your movies. Like he's handling this so well. The fact that Superman's over halfway done filming, we haven't got any set leaks except that one picture of the engineer in her outfit.

Like, they're handling this thing perfectly. And I think, and I'll tell you this, knowing James Gunn to, what he's doing with staying to the truly comics, I bet Destrook doesn't even go into Batman. I bet he's going to be with the Teen Titans because they've announced that film. And kind of pop culture and fandom has taken Destrook and made him a big bad, bad Batman batty.

And he's not. He is a Titans villain. And him and Nightwing have a lot of history. But I guarantee he pops up in Titans and that's where he is. Okay. So, yeah, I think, I mean, it was a cool thing what they did with Mangonello and Batman. And then Affleck was going to take that.

And that was going to be his script. because he's a formidable kind of matching with Batman level of, you know, intellect and prowess. But he's a Titans villain. And I think Gunn, knowing what he's doing, is going to put him in Titans film. Yeah, I mean, I have no dog in the fight. You know, to me, it's very similar to what I was talking about with Masters of the Universe.

If it's a good character, I don't need to know anything about the character. If I learned about the character for the first time in the DCU, I mean, minus the stuff I saw from Joe Manganollo, but like if I learn a little bit more in depth about it and that's how they, because I didn't watch the Arrow show, I didn't watch the other stuff, so I don't really don't know, but all there's, hearing people like yourself talk about the character, anytime,

um, anybody would bring that up on whatever shows we were doing. People were very excited about the character. Yeah, the best death stroke they've done is there as an animated. I think it was like Knights and Dragons. It was called. Okay. That's really good. Okay.

Well, what do you think, guys? Is this the place to do it? Is Deathstroke going to be? going to be the right character to bring in when is when are we going to see him put your comments in there let me know and now it's time for your questions and i saw there's so many different questions in there and we're going to and you can still put as many in there until you're done asking them and then we'll sign off when they're done but before i do i do want to tell you guys about two of our favorites here this is um the perfect gene in ag one and then we'll get to those

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thankful to all the ones that are already in there some more uh and mike joyce it's the first one immortal joe lord humongus dementis what would your max warlord name be um let's see show some classius i got mine what scrous erectus i think i actually think that's one of the names in there scrotus erectus something like that is it's one of the two brothers i think that something along those lines. Protis and erectus? Something like that. And then Mike follows it up with

Kalinowski should have been cast as he man. I actually think you should have been Nathan Drake. I actually think you could have done it. Oh, yeah, that's why I wasn't, that movie. Oh my God, stop. Stop. Yeah, it's just a different movie. No.

It's just a different movie. I like both those guys, but it's just a different movie. Okay. Trash Panda. Snyder's newsletter has it right. The studios are spending too much on concepts that the public didn't demand. didn't demand. I agree. I mean, yeah, you can, you can make movies and take shots on movies, but if you're going to spend that kind of money on an IP like Fall Guy,

which is a good movie, but that much money, even $120, $130 million on IP that's not proven, and is very old. I agree with Snyder as well. Mike, Mike's here, though. What? Perfect. You answered the question. Okay, but you can answer it too.

Mike Joyce says, did you see the next mission impossible movie? is going to cost $400 million and that might be delayed due to a submarine malfunction. Oh my God. Is that true? Well, I saw that article, but then someone had said that the article was basically from Britain's version of the inquirer. It was like a tabloid. But I mean, they were on hold for the strike.

So that was six months delayed. So they're going to be burning money through that. Like that production, though, of the two of them over five years has been one of the most beleaguered productions I've ever seen. Like COVID strikes. Yeah. $400. 400. Is that 400 combined? I don't know. I don't know. Because they'd said 300 for dead reckoning, but I say 210 because 80 of that was the paying the entire crew for seven months. So but again, it is their budget. So that's you got to include with the actual movie only cost that. I mean, sure. Those movies, like I said, they always end up on the screen. Yeah. But for me, good example, that's summer.

Disney with Dal Destiny where that money was on the screen I have no idea Well that was a COVID thing I get it yeah I get a COVID but like Mission Impossible Those movies they're traveling the world It's on the screen the money's there But it still doesn't excuse a $400 million dollar budget

But apparently it's like a $20 million submarine That they're filming and didn't work It's a $400 million movie It's like what are you doing? We're not we're not like it is so it is so much harder these days to throw that

billion dollar dart and hit the bullseye it is so much harder than it wasn't the 2017, 2018. I think $400,000. I mean, oof. Okay. So this is trash panda. I'm predicting a comedy comeback. Someone will make a $20 million film. A $20 million film with a major comeback

and it'll do hangover numbers, budget and script of the key. That's the way you got to do it. You've got to do it with, you've got to find, like, there's so many great comedians out there, comedic actors that haven't been discovered yet, people who are looking for their breaks. That's ultimately what was happening with a hangover. Find a script. Do something for, I think, 20 million is harder to do, maybe 40 and try to get people into the theater to see a comedy in. That's how you do it. It's just harder to do. You can't do big budget movies. I mean, what did, what's it called? Anyone but you, I mean, that did incredibly well.

It did. And it didn't cost. anything, I think. No, anyone but you budget was 25 million. Yeah. And it made over 100 million. So there you go. Let's see, box office. 219.

Holy shit. That's a hit. That's a big hit. And it's doing well on streaming. So that's a big hit. So to go off at his point, if you did more stuff like that. And like today, you're not able to make that movie for 25 million because you're going to have to pay more money for Glenn Powell and Sidney

because you're not getting him back for a sequel. They cost more unless you signed him for a contract in the beginning. But like, but they cost more. But you can do what you did here in the first place and find people like, though. That was my point is like people who are on the up and up. Get them. Do that.

Yeah. All right. We got some more questions here today. Carlton Rudder. Great Carlton Rudder. London calling. Shout out to Mike. Huge fan.

Nice to see Christian's beard going back. Hope to catch Christian live soon for the Patreon Q. And a. Yeah, we do. Thank you, man. Thank you for joining. We do the live Q&A once a month. We do a special big thing episode once a month that's exclusive for the patron. So if you haven't joined, uh, be like Carlton join and join us over there today. So let's see. Al Rensha, better credit scenes. Topic thunder or peacemaker. I mean, I don't remember the tropic thunder. I don't either. I mean, I don't remember the tropic thunder. I don't either means I'm peacemakers credits that that that dance is just the best. Love that stupid dance. I, I'm only saying peacemaker because I remember it. I don't remember the, is the Tropic Thunder? Was it like the loopers? Was it all the mock movies?

Maybe. I don't know. I'm not sure. Did you know that Glenn Powell was in the Dark Night? Yeah. Rises. He was the banker. You did.

Okay. Darth Archie. That's hilarious. Archie. Did you make that movie? Did you make this profile because of my story? Or was that just because of random? Archie, this is Archie.

Pissus on this freaking. bag. Hey, Christian, love the show, man. Hearing Faloni wants a live action clone war show. Have they beaten that horse into glue? It's like freaking Star Wars Groundhog Day. I need Andy McDowell who snap me out of it. Um, no, I think that what he said was that they wanted to do a mini series, a live action mini series. I'm down for that. I think that if you can get, you can recapture what you did there with, uh, with Hayden Christensen and I forget the girl's name, the one who was in, uh, end game and she was in or infinity or infinity war she's in infinity war she's in infinity war she's in she's also young gomorah oh yes yes yeah yeah yeah she's i mean she's in tons of stuff but she uh

if you got her and you got hayden christensen to do that and then you brought in eun mcgregor a miniseries i i think i think you can do some fun stuff with that i think a fun of and it maybe branched the prequels together a little bit more i'm i'm not opposed to it i still think that you'd have to do better deep fake stuff to Hayden than you did in he did it better in in Asoka but then he did in that freaking Obi-Won series. There was nothing. I mean, the guy looked like he was 45 years old. So, but I'm down. I don't, I don't dislike the idea. I'm sorry. I know. I know that even though people think that I'm a Star Wars hater these days, I actually like the idea of that one. Okay. Never lose your nerd. All I'm waiting for is X-Men to save the MCU. I think X-Men is they need,

they need saving before the X-Men. They need X-Men to carry the ball once it's been, once it's been revitalized, they need them to carry the ball over the, over the finish line. Did you like the X-Men 97 series? I did. You did, right?

But here's my thing with the X-Men. Yeah. I, it seems like everyone is loving what we're getting of the X-Men so far. To me, that's X-mo with a fresh coat of paint. You know, Professor X popping up. And then Beast, now Wolverine. I want this Deadpool movie.

I want the end with the X-Men done. And when we get them in the MCU, they're completely new actors, completely new looks. I can't have that Fox version in there. Right. Just they were there. They're done.

They're done. They got to change it. Tim Sam, great Tim, Sam, me, everything MCU posted in game. Even Thor, Love, and Thunder, here there's subpar. I love that you love it, Tim. I love that you love it. I'm glad that you do.

But let's call it what it is. For the majority of the public, it's subpar. That's why there's all these conversations and everything, too. For people who love it like yourself, I think that's amazing. Even Hemsworth. He's like, yeah. Even Hemsworth. Yeah.

So, but it seems like there's, if you, when you do consensus stuff, this is consensus is that it's been subpar. But there's certainly people like yourself, other people who enjoyed everything that's coming out in the same way that people enjoy. That's why I'm curious about the accolite, right? Because the accolite, they had that event and there were a lot of people who came out saying that they loved it. Now, the question is,

is it people who just want to just take in Star Wars and say, look, it's Star Wars. I'll love it and it's great. Or is it people who were like, look, I wouldn't. I heard there was one person who wasn't too excited about it who came out going, that wasn't damn good. Those, those episodes they showed us were pretty damn good. I'm, I'm curious about that.

And I'm curious because that's right around the corner. Okay, so then the next one is Ronetta W. Hey guys, just finished watching X-Men 97, and I loved it. Creators did a phenomenal job. Magneto is a Zaddy. Why the hell was I attracted to an animated cartoon? Damn. Anyway, looking forward to season two.

Yeah. The question is going to be, it looks like, I think, I can't remember if it was Coy or Winston that said this, but the real test is going to be season three. Because Bo Domeo ready mapped out season two and they can follow his outline. The question is, can they sustain without Bo Domeo? and yeah i'll tell i don't know it's gonna be interesting yeah but you loved it

i did yeah yeah i i don't have as big a fond memories of the original version of it because i remember it was during the heyday of like batman animated series so to watch that show the animation which just was nowhere near as good the storytelling was always good so to see it with modern animation

with the same type of level of storytelling and the fact that they made wolverine like a bit character i love that Love that. Chris Daniel. Should theaters make Monday through Wednesday, $5 day to gain some business? Congrats on the move, Christian. Mike, have you gone to what's H-H-H-H-N? Hollywood Hornets.

Oh. Yes. When I lived in Orlando, I lived there for 10 years. I worked Halloween Hornets for about 10 years. So if you ever saw the Bill and Ted show, any of those years, this is a very good chance you saw me. Who were you? Every year I was someone different.

I was Jack Sparrow. I was Fred from Scooby-Doo. What about in the Bill and Ted show? Who were you in Bill and Ted? That's what I'm saying. Oh, they had, they had everything. It's a pop culture. I was Leonidas from 300.

I see. I see. Christian Bale. Nice. Well, to answer the question, I think making, I think doing five dollar days in theaters is a very good idea. I think that theaters can eat to do that. You don't have to change the ticket prices, the concession stand prices.

But changing theater prices, yeah, I do think it's a very good idea. I think I think studios should try anything that they can right now and work with the theaters to do it. And thank you. On the move, yeah, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, pushing forward me. Gallagost, there he is. Hey, fellas, is there a chance that studios will back off from the same month digital releases if it starts to cannibalize the box office enough? No, because I think the fall guy proves, I don't know how true that is. I don't think they will. No, because look at the fall guy. The fall guy they put in video demand

and the drop off in theater was not big at all. It was less than when it wasn't on video demand. And I think that the other reason when they put it in the same month, it's $25 to get it. You know, you can go and you can buy probably two tickets for that, for close to that much, close to it when, unless you're going to get concessions and stuff. So no, I don't, I don't think there's any chance that they're going to back off from it. Do you agree? I agree 100%.

There's no, they're not going to learn a lesson. They're not, they're not thinking about it like that. Like, oh, no, look what we did. They're like, well, if it doesn't hit opening week, if I, Friday morning, I wake up and I see numbers aren't hitting there putting it streaming in two weeks as we're going to try and get as much money out of this as we can right that's john bravina lucas film just dropped an early theatrical fan screening for the accolade will you be going seems similar to the osocas screening no i think the one that they did is similar to that assoca screening happened already at the el capitan that was like last week um but no i'm going to be watching it i'm going to watching it when it drops about you mike i'm watching when drops yeah yeah yeah um okay dorothy again please no

CGI overdose for Masters of the Universe. I want to see some mind-blowing practical effects. Something like Ridley Scott's legend. I'm with you. Oh, legend. That's a good analysis for it. If they do something like that, so I want to see what Travis Knight pulls off, man. I hope they don't oversee. I'm with both of you guys on that.

Okay. And this is Gallagos. I got rocket money. Yes. That's how you do it to save for the wedding. It flagged super chats for the show and I went on a chance. Here's another five to make it clear. Cheers.

Yeah, I do love that they do that, though. They'll tell you, they'll tell you if there's like, is this an unauthorized choice like that you do? They let you know when you're spending money and then you just approve it. It's incredible. So I'm glad you got it. Josh Needle, they need to bring back 90 day windows and make audiences feel the need to go to movies.

I don't disagree with that. The wait for home media used to be part of the experience. What do you think? Yeah. I mean, it did. And I remember, I remember being so disappointed. I'd be like, man, I got to wait six months before I can buy this. That sucks.

Right. Yeah. I remember a year before. it was on HBO. I don't, but again, we're, like, it's different. I'll, I'm not of a mind where I'm like, I'm going to wait for it to come onto home to the Blu-ray to buy it. Like, and I don't do streaming. I don't buy streaming, uh, movie. So I'm waiting like 45 days. I think it is now. Yeah. Tim Sim. Thank you, Tim. Thank you, Tim. It's very generous of you, my friend. A convo I had on this summer's box office, somebody told me he's not surprised because streaming is becoming the norm for non-blockbusters

and even fall Oscar contenders because more people can't afford to go out to theaters due to bad company and experience right now sucks yeah and that was we touched on it briefly mike that the people just are so ill-behaved in in movie theaters it's like it really dampens the experience i guess maybe because it's l.a and there's a more of a kind of everyone's probably in the industry that's seeing that movie right so it's a little i haven't had a bad experience in l.a aside from the people who yeah who they keep talking a little bit like i've been lucky yeah i don't suffer fools. I don't suffer fools. Thank you, Tim. And yeah, so I think I think you're right though, Tim.

I think of your friends right, too. It's just it's the economy. It's all those other things. So very tough. Uh, exalted 10. Will there be a possibility of crossover between Krishna Rolf and lights camera bar stool? They're also based in New York and would be a good blend. I'd like to. I reach out to Jeff. Like, because what's funny is Jeff we used to where, I think was it was entertainment tonight. I can't remember what it was. But he was a big Collider fan and and he became a Schmodeon fan. And he used to write me how much he loved the Schmodown. and thought it was a great idea. And then he started his own trivia thing, actually,

and I'm assuming he was inspired by the Shmodeon. And they're crushing it on their, on their trivia show that they do over there. They've turned it into a league like we did. And I'd love to do stuff with Jeff and all those guys. They're great. Okay, let's see. We'll keep going. I think you've got a few more.

Ryan King, the fall guy. The story is dumb. The first 30 minutes are hard to get through. It's too long. The antagonist of the film is a cartoon character. I mean, okay, I don't agree, but I can see the, I can, I just thought it was a big, dumb, fun movie. I think that was the whole point of the movie, but it did, as you can probably attest to, Mike, is that it did stray away from the essence of what the foggy TV show. Yeah, when I first heard that they weren't going to make him a bounty hunter, I'm kind of like, that's the whole point of the show.

Right. But I get what they were doing. So I was kind of along for the ride. Yeah, I went for the ride. But I mean, but I mean, look. If you didn't like, he didn't seem, it seems like, it seems like most people who saw it liked it. Yeah. Tim, crushing today, Tim, thank you, buddy. And he also told me that he thinks it's inevitable that streaming will overtake the theaters, even if Deadpool and Wolverine saved the summer because the wages are stagnant.

More people are losing jobs and current events right now are putting movies on the wayside. I think the only thing about that is what I said before, I don't ever think that movie theaters are ever going to be fully replaced. Now, whether the chains like the AMCs and the regals and things of that nature go away, maybe. But I don't think that movie theaters will ever go away because of, I think that directors will always want to fight for it. I think the studios will wind up having their own movie theaters, if that's the case. I think other people will have to. I think the theater experience will always be alive, but maybe not the way we know it today. As you're butt.

Here he is. Haskell, 420. Hey, guys, it'd be so awesome. If Wolfs is a spinoff of Pulp Fictions, Harvey Kytel's Winston Wolf they're doing the exact job he did. I know. It would very, very different tones though. You think, Mike? Yeah.

Who knows? Not the best color commentator in the world for nothing. That's right, pal. Pete Parker, 2288. Hey, you, Pete Parker. Made a little reference to you the other day, my friend. But he always, but he always is in here putting in super chats and everything too. And I got nothing but love for Pete, but comment the other day, Pete.

Come on, man. Piriosa was a little long. But it was amazing in Dolby. Miller is 79 and making more exciting action scenes that the other directors half his age. I mean, I agree. It was a little long, but I didn't care about that. Yeah. Yeah, I'm curious because I read his Justice League mortal script.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. But I'm curious what he would have. This script, I don't know, you know, it's always a blueprint for what you start with and what you end with. I would have killed to see his Justice League film, seeing what he did with the two Mad Max films. Yeah. That would have been interesting. Simon section regarding the Masters of the Universe,

Amazon movie. I hope it doesn't take place on Earth. Same page. They won't do that. Please, they did it in freaking it. They did it on your Dolph Lundgren one. I loved it. Oh, come on.

Well, we see him and Chile eating cheeseburgers. They brought the cheeseburgers up in John Wu with Doves Flying and Slow Motion in the background with a chili tea rap song. Yeah, if it wasn't Travis Knight, I would say fear that. I would say fear that. But Travis, I can't imagine Travis Knight's going to do that. Good, Mike. you were going to say something.

No, just the original idea was very little on Earth. And then the budget got slashed. And they're like, well, let's just make the beginning and the end of an attorney. And they're on earth. And the making of that movie is fascinating. Yeah. That's incredible. Yeah.

Our buddy again, Pete Parker, 2288, is the Dreyfus impression officially retired now. Speaking of Thomas Jane, just watched 61 where he plays Mickey Mell, good sports. Yeah, he was, he was great to talk to. I love Thomas Jane. Did you see the interview? No. You got to watch it's really good. I asked him about Marvel.

You know, well, you always see actors when they're going to get like a first role or something. And you know, like this guy's going to be something. I remember deep blue sea. Yeah. And never seen him before.

He's like, who is this guy? He's going to be good. Boogie Nights. That was after, I think. Oh, boogie nights is before.

Yeah, but he's not the lead. He's just a good, great actor. I want the money in a fucking boat on the fucking shit. It's in the fucking room. Yeah. That scene, man.

Oh, it's a firecrack. Trifist. I watch you to smell me. What's with what's with this movie? What's with the transdressing? What do you? I'm a man.

You know, it's your jaw screening. Man, a woman's a woman and a shark's a shark, right? Matt McClure. Christian, why the move? Sorry I've already spoken. I just didn't know what happened.

Shearing you want. He hates me. Yeah, I want to get away from Mike. A lot of different reasons. One, close to family. Two, as I've mentioned to people many times over, I'm not moving to Manhattan.

It's a lot cheaper to live, just to refer an example of what I was when I left here by the airport, the gas was $7, almost $7 when I got to a place I'm living. It was $3.35. It's, it's very, it's flush. It's green. It's nice. And I have a studio there that is, that it would probably cost me five times what it does there. And I set up a whole thing. I get good space.

And it's, and I'm able to do what I need to do there. and I can go into the city. I take a train into the city to watch the screenings. I went to Saw Furiosa in the city and it was great. So it's just a different change. It's a change. And I've been here a long time, time to go. Trash Panda.

Bad boys will be fine. Will Smith was a surprise guest at Coachella last month. They did the men in black rap. Crowd went nuts. We're over the slap. I couldn't agree more. I think people are done with it. It's like it's, you know, in the same way that they're just,

it's forgiving. I think that people are, and he took his, and he took his licks from, from Rock. Yeah, he did. Did you read this yet? Did you see this? Luiso, Arana, what did you think of the book, Heat 2? I haven't read it.

I haven't read it. I haven't read it yet either. I'm excited to, but I'm also skeptical because I'm like, or hesitant because I, I'm, I just don't know how they're going to pull it off in. And the book is a prequel, but it also is a sequel. It takes two. So I'm like, I think the movie is. Is Pacino supposed to be in? I think he is.

I know. Renee Reyes, I heard a rumor that Disney announced that Moana will transition to a mail in the sequel to you guys know. Come on. Come on. Come on. All right. Let's see. Next one is, let's see.

I think, is that it? Nope. Another Armada. Corey Coleman, my boy, has been doing comedy shows in New York every month or so currently. Maybe you go collab in New York. I love to. Corey's one of my favorite people in the world. He's hilarious, really good guy, him and Martin, both really, really good dudes.

I would love to do something with with them again. All right, this is the last one. Here it is. Joseph DePina, big fan of you guys both, finally catching a live show. Any news in the new Tom Holland's Spider-Man movie, any final prediction for Deadpool opening. Opening weekend, I'm going to say a little over 200.

But I think as far as the news on Spider-Man movie, they still haven't decided it's going to be more grounded, Spider-Man. There was a report that they're, I think that the villains are going to be goblin and, and Doc Ock again, probably new ones. What do you think, Mike? I'm kind of Spider-Man out right now.

Are you? Yeah, I think. Much? Yeah. You take Batman all day long, though. You put 87 Batman's out. You know, that's your thing. Because, yeah, that's my thing.

But they're always changing him, you know, with Batman. Spider-Man always kind of, they keep him in that same little area. Yeah. All right, this is the last one. Armada, do you think we'll get another Apes movie before? the next mad max but 100% for a lot of different reasons one i think they're finishing that apes whatever like nine films they want them to make i think we're going to get all of them i i mean as long as they don't eat like a big pile of turds in this movie didn't eat turds and it'll and it'll

do well on um yeah it'll do well so all right that's it mike thanks for joining me here today man where can where can the people find you at mike klanowski social media that's where it is keep it simple keep it simple all right guys for you thank you so much for being here today on this live a live episode. I feel like we're going to do more live episodes, and especially one of the things I didn't talk to you about this, Mike, but one of the things I was thinking about maybe doing is combining the Roxy Brett show with our show and doing like a big kind of almost like S-E-N live show where we did, where it's me, you, Steph, Roxy, Brett, like together live once a week. Okay. I thought that might be fun. Yeah, that personality is. That's always going to be fun. That'll be fun. So there's a lot to come,

a lot here. So thanks for joining here. Apple Podcast, Spotify, once again. where podcasts are found up was one more that I'll throw in there like I said Pete Parker yeah hate was a strong word and that's my bad all forgiven you're the man yeah what a good dude yeah I love I love him nice and I and I gave him all the props in the beginning um but yes I've been disappointed but I don't hate all right thanks for joining us again guys you guys are the best for Mike Kalanowski on me you're you see you later