The Kristian Harloff Show - Can Marvel Recover?! Fantastic Four's Box Office Collapse Is WORSE Than Expected!

Episode Date: August 4, 2025

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Yes, it is not good. As far as other movies, good, but what's going on with box office? Not good. Yes, it's a disaster. I don't care what you say. That's misleading headline. Bullshit, it's a disaster. And I loved the movie.

Loved it. Why is it a disaster for Marvel? We'll talk about it. And what about that John Roker tweet? Say in the audience, idiots! They're going to see dinosaur movies. So they're idiots. I'll talk.

I'll challenge him on that is what I'll say. SummerSlam thoughts. We wanted to try to dive into something a little less controversial. And we also have a few other things to discuss, man. We got Disney was going to use AI at one point for Tron. They decided not to. at tom holland we talked about that suit already so we won't be covering that why don't i bring it up because i'm reading the notes that's it and uh there's a few other things that we'll discuss

but it's a conversation with myself john rocca here today on the show let's get into his christian harliff show great welcome back to the show ladies and gentlemen it is monday going a little earlier here today we're doing an experiment we're doing an experiment we're going to see if this is a time you guys like. And we'll see, we'll see how that works for doing experiment. And one of the reasons I'm able to do it, the guy who was helping me experiment with live in general, come back and do it. John Rooker. What's up, John? Hello. I never called anyone it is. How dare you play and hand her to your audience in such a nakedly, nakedly kiss my ass way. Come on. It's, it wasn't, but I mean, you certainly said the audience

have been kind of like dumbed down. Was it? Well, I was, I was, I question. the intelligence and you're allowed to question anyone and everything so can i push back on that like tremendously or feel feel free to push back on that i don't know how you can push back on questioning people but i'm not going to push on question i'm not going to push on question you it's all i said you can question anything you can question anything you want i'm just things the reason but the actual question itself i'll i'll push back on because what you had said is that inside of the tweet itself was something along lines and again if i'm i'll clarify it all i said was people are so good. Essentially, my point was people want to just blame executives and blame studios. They never

want to look at themselves. And if movieguards keep going to see crap movies, how is that going to influence executives and creatives to make better movies? That's essentially what I said. But there's a couple problems with that. Okay. The first one being that as you will agree, as we've talked about many times, that, you know, movies and opinions on what's good and what's not are subject. Of course, always. Every movie is subject. What you think, think could be piss in Jurassic world. You saw it might disagree with you and say, well, I like that better than those other movies. And because you're essentially saying your taste because you thought those two were better,

well, then they're liking the dumb movie that I didn't like. Exactly. Okay. What's the problem? What's the problem? It's saying that your opinion is the one that is saying that's a good movie and that's not a good movie. Yes, exactly. Guess what?

All my tweets or opinion. Guess what? Breaking news. All right. Well, that's part one. Part two is the reason why I push back on that particular movie, because you remember, and not for any reason. It's not because of winning the steak dinner and all that stuff.

You're a F about the steak dinner for guys. What I'm saying is I knew, I've been saying it for months that Jurassic World would win and be the one out of the three had nothing to do with. thinking the audience, you know, was just like a dumb movie. It's because the domestic between Superman and Jurassic World is not that different. There's a night. It's 316 to 317. I mean, literally similar.

The domestic audience, it's the international audience that decided and it is really. So what are we saying? What I'm saying is that dinosaurs, they don't go to see those movies in internationally, whether they're watching on subtitles or converted or whatever, they're not going for the dialogue. of it. They're going for the spectacle of it and I think super

guess. That's my guess. That's my guess. And I think that superhero movies in general are starting to weigh on people. I think that the genre, like we've talked about Westerns and other things, I think that it's, they're not as compelling

unless you have something like a Hugh Jackman and coming back and it's like some real big gimmick. I think Avengers will pull. But I think it's tough. thing that you had mentioned, which as a father, I can say I disagree with. I do think that kids will go gravitate more towards dinosaurs than they will Superman. I think maybe not 20, 30 years ago, but today.

That's fair. And as a father, I can't speak to that because I don't have kids. But Superman, why is that happening? Why is that an issue? Like this thing, these Jurassic Park movies, Jurassic World, movies are absolute dog crap like literally since the first one since the first one they are not good they are not I don't care how anyone tries to defend them especially if someone this whole brand is attached to defending them they are not good movies you know those are not good movies overall

so I'm always fascinated by people who are like well the transformers movies are terrible but Jurassic World Jurassic Park that's high art and then when you say to them well that's kind of not it's it's not that good movie oh well they're dumb fun dumb fun about science Like this is the thing, dumb fun, it's a, a social commentary. Every one of those films has a social commentary. So the idea of trying, the people trying to have it, both sides. They're trying to, like, have their cake and eat it too. They're trying to say, it's dumb fun.

And then when you go, well, they're dumb movies. No, they're about science and about exploring. So which is it? And that's the thing that's frustrating to me as when we look at this stuff. But with kids, if Superman doesn't appeal to children, I think that's a shame. Superman stands for what we're supposed to aspire to as human beings. right and i get the dinosaurs are great but then something wrong that you're not teaching your children about superman when superman is one of these superheroes of all the superheroes yeah i've tried

my daughter doesn't you know she cared about the dog she cared about the dog that was it she doesn't she didn't want to see the movie and the two of those movies she'd want to see and my oldest they want to they want to see they'd rather see Jurassic world and look you got to respect what your kids want to want to want to watch you but you don't want to force your kids i mean you don't want to indoctrinate your kids but you want to present it and see if they'll grab onto it right and i think that's where I talked about the blame for studios and creatives. The fact that their Superman movies have not been consistently good. You could argue what?

Superman one is good. Superman 2 is good. And the other ones are mixed. And then I love Man of Steel, but I know it's a mixed reception. But yeah, so society and the studios and the creators have not done a great job of bringing Superman across the line. But, you know, Batman still pulls.

Batman still attracts. And that's because Batman has consistently delivered, damn good movies across their part. I don't think there's anything wrong with questioning the tastes of movies. Look, they're not, no one's untouchable. And this idea that how dare you come for the moviegoers, us precious little people, that's nonsense. You can get criticized in every arena of life.

Why can't you be criticized for your movie tastes? That's nonsense. And I'll finish my point off with this. Over the last 20 years, more movies of lower level quality and intelligence and plots have made more money than any previous 20 year time in the history of film. That says something. Look at the education levels across the states. They are dropping in a lot of states compared to where they were 20 years ago. There's a reason for that. They're cutting funding for education. Everything's connected. Right. So you've got to look at it in a bigger picture other than me likey

this, me no likey that. I think that there's more. I'm telling you though, I think there's a lot to do with spectators, especially now what and how people go and see movies, right? Because And I'm, let's, let's talk about the actual box office. I was defending quantumania and, and love and thunder. That's a different conversation. Yeah. But I'm defending two damn good superhero movies. I understand.

I, I get it. People were like, are people exhausted by superiors? No, man, these are good movies. I do, but I, but I do think people are, there's the, a lot of these people, I'm telling you, like, there is, I remember it wasn't, it wasn't this movie because my, my uncle actually did go and see Superman, but it was another, it was, oh, it was. was the flash when the flash was coming out right i remember that i started to see things

kind of turning there where i remember that when a super movie come out everybody wanted to go see it was a big huge event now there's just so many of them man i think that one of the points that i saw made that i agree with too is that what jurasic world has going for that these superhero movies don't there's a superhero movie every six months

is a Jurassic world movie what every four years yeah but it's like they're always crap so i don't agree you're not great but i've just argument because because there's Something in those Jurassic world. I said it in my eye to the theater reaction.

I said it in the review itself. I don't know what it is about those movies. But at the end of it, I said, this was just not, it's not good. I didn't hate it as much. It's not good.

But at the end of it, I said, will I go see another one? Yeah. I'll go see another one. But that's the hypocrisy, isn't it? Because people are like,

those Transformers movies are terrible, but then they'll defend the Jurassic Park movies movies when they're literally the same quality. Literally. But wouldn't you be arguing answer to? And they're still, because I accept the movies that people don't like those movies. Like Jurassic, they do well, aren't you arguing, but aren't you arguing yourself? Those aren't well, those aren't well made.

I would, I wouldn't say well made. Intelligent. Yes, fair, fair, totally fair. But I know that going in, right? And those aren't trying to make a social commentary about our world. Like the last Jurassic World movie, you have a billionaire who is trying to get a cure for cancer because he wants to raise the prices and make even more money and squeeze out the little people.

I forgot about the plot until you brought it up. There you go. It's insane. The plots are there. And Scarlett and What's his face, all of a sudden get a conscience and they want to do a socialist approach by letting everybody have access to the cure.

So these are these things that are going on in all of these movies. And to say, I just go for the dumb fun. It's like you're ignoring what is the basic point of these movies, supposed to be. I know, but I also think this because. doesn't have any of that and i think to transformers will fit into this category also especially with bay coming back as much as i hate it you know it's like it's one of these things where people

want to switch things around and see different things that's why f1 had success why these it's like i just think that the day of the dominance of the superhero movies and the comic book movies um i think i we used to talk about it on a clarol then when's it when is it going to be the you know the end of the empire i think that the i don't think the empire is ending but i think it's in i think it's in it's in it's in the shits. And I think fantastic for doing the numbers that it did shows it. Because I, out of the three of them, I like that movie the best. I really did. And I just think that this is not good for Marvel. I do think Avengers will perform. And I think because of the event status that it has in the way the Deadpool and Wolverine had that event status thing, right? But that's why I think the argument is

flawed right now because people like, oh, we're just tired of superhero movies. But these are good superhero movies. So you could have made that argument during love and thunder and quantum mania. And I'd have been like, I totally get it. 100% I'm behind you. And if you watch my show yesterday, if you go beyond my tweet, I fleshed out and said like, you know, I get it because the TV shows came in and they were inconsistent. That has hurt the Marvel brand big time. The 2021 stuff onward, there's been a lot of wonkiness and the quality. So I concede that there hasn't been great quality. But if you're not showing up for the stuff that is great quality, how much of a motivation is that the studios to do great quality?

It's true. And it's true. And you have to market it. And here's a clarification. I mean, Deadpool-Rubring is not that good of a movie. I mean, but here's a clarification that keep getting this comment.

As far as I say a movie with high quality, like Transformers won, right? The marketing on that movie, it was awful. And for those to say, the animated film. Yes. And some would say,

I bashed the marketing. Yes, because the marketing sucked. The trailer sucked. It looked like it was going to be. be a big piece of shit and guess what because of that marketing the movie ate shit it ate shit nobody went and saw it and it was fantastic it was one of the greatest movies because of the year animation was it was great but it ate shit because people don't know how to market these things and it's like okay is it actual quality can these things be quality um and if it in

they and the other reason why you can't still blame the executives john is because you can't no I know you do. I know, but I'm saying one of the main reasons you still can because of the budgets. They're lighting these things up because, you know, if you're going to spend whatever you spend on Jurassic World and make your money back and then some businesses, you did it. But look, we cut the budget down on Fantastic Four by going for lower budget actors. And that's the truth. Look at the truth. They didn't go for Adam Driver, Margo, Robbie, or Adam Stone, and they couldn't afford them. Right. And so they went lower budget and people still still didn't show up. So it's, unfortunately, it is a case by case basis right now. There's no

generalization thing you can make, which is why I think you have to look at everybody involved in the situation and no one gets to escape criticism. That's nonsense. You're not children. You're not little sensitive babies. No one gets to escape criticism. And no, your taste is not unquestionable. That's nonsense. Right. And so it's, you're allowed to question the intelligence. You're allowed to question the tastes. You're allowed to question everything. Sure. In every other room, We know we can do that. I think it's, because I just know you, I know you. I'm not, I'm not removing that these movies haven't been consistently good.

Sure. Sure. But I guess this is I know you so well that it's like if, if I was, these conversations that you and I are having right now is essentially like people on Twitter can't have those face-to-face kind of organization. So it's like it's you go, no, this, this. And it looks like it's like the definitive. It looks like a definitive statement basically what you're saying.

And I know, and I get your point of view. I don't agree with a lot of the takes of it. but I understand where you're coming from, right? Like, I really, I really do. You don't think we should, you don't think the moviegoers question, talent, or so tastes or what they- Could you question? Of course, of course. Of course.

I'm just, I'm saying some of the reasons maybe behind why they're not working. I'm so we're not, we can't, like you said to me, it's my opinion, of what, what I think of the reasons why people are in the same way. You think you can definitive feel, I don't feel that way. I don't feel like. I don't agree with your marketing thing on, I don't think Transformers. one was going to make that much more even it was well marketed it was it looked like it looked like a

straight up kids movie listen I don't listen again I hear what you're saying and I think you're right to say it wasn't marketed well but I don't think the marketing being better would have done that much of a different I don't think you would have made it a massive hit but it certainly would have shown it for when they put that out I thought it was a goofy movie aimed towards

children so it was and you're not wrong because that's the way the trailers are presented and that's that wasn't the movie yeah it was a it was a totally misrepresented movie. Because you're right. The critics' reception was good for it. But people, I guess at that point, though, it kind of made up their mind.

And it depends on, it's hard. I mean, you really, I mean, though it says a solid IP, it's hard to get people in for animated movies if it's not like a 100%. Look at Elio. And it was a decent movie and just another one that just ate it. But nonetheless, let's still kind of dive into the numbers. Oh, yeah, sure. themselves here because Fantastic Four dropped hard at the box office.

This is Marvel Studios are Fantastic Four. First Steps pulled in 11.7 million domestically on Friday. And so the overall number, I think was, would they do 40 something? Yeah, 42 million. Saturday numbers coming in estimates for the films weekend are on track for 40 to 45, which should bring it domestic to just around 200 million after 10 days. unfortunately means a 66% drop off. And some places we're saying 80, right?

Massive 80% on Friday. Well, that was the 80 between Friday. Much closer to the kind of drop seen by Brave New World than by Thunderbolts or Superman, with the latter hitting $2.32.2 million by the end of its second weekend. Despite initially strong numbers from the Marvel Faithful, it seems, the film lacks traction with the general audience. That said, the film looks like to surpass the full domestic box of its totals of both the previous MCU films this year by Monday. Another question will be international numbers released tomorrow,

where the film opened well last weekend? Will they see a slump like the domestic? Also hitting this weekend domestically was the Bad Guys 2, which is headed for a 22 million opening weekend, which is about on par with the first. They're critically well received naked gun reboot, is headed for 16 million opening weekend with exit polls, probably showing excellent scores suggesting the film should have likes. James Gun, Superman will take in 13.5 million and its fourth weekend down 46% by the end of the weekend, should be at 300. 60 they're sorry 16 million domestically it's suspect the film will end its state site somewhere around 350 rounding out the top five Jurassic World rebirth with 8.1 expected to hit 317 by the end of Sunday it's likely to end its run around 340 together hold it around 6.7 and it's on 10 to 11 million since it opened on Wednesday so the other thing I want to bring up here I'll bring up box office mojo and here are the actual numbers themselves fantastic for First steps, $40,000, $368 so far worldwide.

It's not bad for two weeks. It's okay for this. I mean, it's okay for two weeks if you didn't have the week that you did in week one. Well, I mean, yeah, we'll see. We'll talk about the bad guys too. 44 million so far. That's a pretty good number. You'd be happy.

Naked gun. I really do hope this movie has legs. Did you, I forget, John. Did you wind up seeing it? I know. I'm seeing it this afternoon. Okay. 30 million so far.

And I don't think it cost that much. No, it didn't. No, it didn't cost that much. It was 11 million. Okay. I really, more and more people seem to be excited about seeing it. So Superman now, again, 551. So it looks like it's going to hit that 600 that we, close to 600, what we talked about.

And then Jurassic World worldwide and almost 800 million. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that, I think it'll tap out around 800 million close to it now. Either way. So the reason why I think fantastic for, I mean, I think it's a disaster. I really do. I think it's a disaster.

I think for Marvel, they needed this movie to get people excited again because now all you're doing is resting on the laurels of the fact that it's the Avengers. We have Downeyback. Please come and see the movie now.

I mean, you'll have Spider-Man that comes out first and it's Spider-Man, so it doesn't really count. Spider-Man is Spider-Man. I think, though, they're going to, and it's not really leading into the Avengers movie. This was the movie that was supposed to get you excited

about who these new heroes are. And you're like, okay, you have a big huge weekend or nice weekend, 120, whatever it was. And then drop to 40 million. That's a massive, massive drop. It does show exactly what they said in there. And that's the problem with going with these big budgets because, yes, you'll get that core audience in there if they really want to see it. The core audience is it's a big, it's a big core audience with this conversation on Friday. The problem is it's not expanding and making people care the way that the first three phases did outside of the

the more of the hardcore yeah talked a little bit about this last yesterday on my show on my channel it was like there's so much to look at here um with it because it is a good movie it is a consider the reviews are great it's an a minus cinema score which matches superman cinema score it was marketed to the teeth but i agree with you everyone trying to shift goalposts now that somehow marvel is okay with 500 million being the endpoint for this movie is out of their effing minds Okay. 368 is a good number for most movies, but they sank a lot of money into this movie.

Yeah. Making $200 million to make the film. And then probably $100,000, $250 million, and probably close to $150 million, with the way they were doing stuff globally. I mean, I got a fucking lunchbox here. There was all kinds of stuff that they were doing to promote fantastic,

the $85 galactus popcorn bucket. Like they thought, they thought this movie, and I know from people I know who, who work with people with Marvel, who work with people at Marvel, that internally they felt this movie was going to explode at the box office,

making $800 million, because they have to ramp up to doomsday and Secret Wars with this film and Spider-Man. They do not have three phases like they did when they finished one endgame. So they thought this was going to be the one that was going to get people, as you said, Christian,

excited about Marvel again, that they're on the right path. And Kevin Feige even made this film not connecting, not connected to the overall universe. If you walked out of the theater during the credits, you would have no idea that it's connected to the main universe until Doom shows up.

And Doom's not even technically in the other universe yet. So there is so much about the film that they tried to say, we've heard you, we're making the changes, and people still didn't show up. And I think this is absolutely a disaster. And if they get to five, God forbid six, they'd be lucky to get to six, but if at the five, it is absolutely a loss.

They're going to break even. Marvel didn't want to break even with this movie? Right. It's like, yeah, because I think the difference also is this. Disney this year, what have they had, and maybe I'm just not remembering, but what have they had this year that hit big? Lilo and Stitch.

Lilo and Stitch. Lilo and Stitch. Only a billion dollar film. Right. So Lilo and Stitch had a billion dollars. So they have some profit to play with inside of their movie. But still, Vanderbiltz didn't do well. No.

Captain America Didn't do well. So losses there or breaking even maybe the losses. And so they lose this year. Snow White ate it. Right. So they're already kind of started losing money to balance it. Plus now this big one. So they're not in a spot with like, oh, are the movies

made money? We can deal with a with a, you know, an average. Okay. Warner Brothers can do that. So when they look at Superman and go, Superman made 600. Look, it made $600 million. Whatever it made. It made it made us a little money, but it got people excited about it. We're moving forward. Guess what else happened?

Sinners crushed. Yeah. Frickin Minecraft crushed. And there was like there was a few other ones that crushed. They had a big year. They had a bigger year already. We're only in August. So they can say, you know what?

600? That's fine. That's a good way for us to start. Let's this be a little frugal a little bit on the on the box office. Disney, it's funny how the tables have turned. Disney's not in that spot to be able to do that with Marvel. and Marvel really needs to get to that finish line of Avengers and just go all in on X-Men, and that's it. That's it.

Yeah, no, I don't disagree with you. But you know what? This doesn't bode well, though, because the idea of them doing event movies is fine. Like you said, earlier the beginning of the show, with Deadpool and Wolverine bringing back Hugh Jackman and all of that. But if you can't rely on event movies to save your franchise only, not if you're going to build the things.

Marvel is building the things. And some people suggested on my stream yesterday, like they need to go back to doing trilogies for separate characters. Like they did with Captain America, with Thor, with what they did with Spider-Man, what they did with other characters. I'm like, that's absolutely a great idea.

Like, they have to go back because we have to care about these characters. There's no reason we shouldn't have gotten a second Shang-Chi movie. There's no reason we shouldn't have gotten more with these other characters. Man, John, it's like, isn't it always, and that's what I used to say about the freaking new trilogy in Star Wars all the time,

The reason why they don't invest, there was no plan. Yeah. It's the same thing. Someone brought up a very good point in the live chat also. Disney's, well, it's not like they're, oh, my, Disney's going to be in major trouble here. They have avatar coming out, like a Zootopia coming out. Right. It's fine.

They'll be fine. But it's like, but when you get to this point right now, they're looking at the ones that have lost them money. It's all Marvel stuff. Where it was all Marvel, putting the money in the bank. Now it's the other stuff. So, yeah, those two movies, they're going to, they're not going to have a, a, a, a huge, they'll be okay. Yeah. Disney.

But Marvel is like, now you've got to wonder, it's like, hey, our star athlete blew their knee out. Yeah. Yeah. It's like we don't know. Yeah, they had rehab and everything, you know, it seems like they're, they're, they can run, but they're just not as fast as they used to it. Yeah. Yeah.

And I said, I made the comparison more boxing wise where Disney started out and they were winning the first six rounds. Yeah. Seven, eight, nine, they've been taking a lot of hits. They've gotten knocked down a couple times. they're on the ropes 10 11 and 12 those rounds are going to decide this fight right now right we're looking at brand new day doomsday and secret wars there's been no buildup to this and then the and then people are not coming to see the fantastic four in the numbers they thought to help with the buildup right so they're going to

wait till it goes on disney plus which has been this is another element of this that needs to be explored as well like was that is that a smart business decision to keep to run these movies quickly onto digital but anyway that they're going to if those things don't perform if brand new day i think well listen you can question brand new day deston daniel creton did shang chi and that's a lot of people like that movie, but people have criticisms of that movie. It's not John Watts coming back to do it. And then you've got, you've got the Rousseau's coming back, but the Rousseau's have had a spotty record outside the, outside Marvel.

They're not going to be back with the two writers together. It's only one of the writers who wrote their stuff before. And then you're bringing back all these characters and you're trying to fix the universe and go forward with and launch a new phase here with the X-Men characters and the mutant stuff. And there's no guarantees, especially when people reacted down the middle, a 50-50 split of liking it and hating it with R.D.J. coming back. There's no guarantee that these movies are going to have the emotional impact and the excitement and joy that...

It could just be a gimmick. It could just be a gimmick. I hope it's not. People will see through it. It's true because that's where, unfortunately, that's where they are right now. They're at a place, like I said earlier, that it's no longer like, hey, you guys, you guys, you're excited for what's coming next. Now it's like, hey, guys, we got Downey, Chris Hemsworth's coming back. This, this, this, And it all be relevant to the story that's fine. But now they have to rely on that. Beforehand, it was the audience saying, oh, that's all they're doing. They're just, it's nostalgic and they're desperate.

Now they have to be desperate. Yeah. Now they have to be desperate. And they have to market this way because their movies are not, they're just not delivering the way that they used to. And I think that people, and I, I'm telling you, the oversaturation of it, of Marvel in, general, in general was really a disservice. It really was.

There was just too much. And the homework aspect and all that, it was a disservice. It diluted the product. I don't think it would have diluted it if it was good. And the fact that it's not good. But hindsight is, but the fact is it wasn't. No, no, 100%. No, I know.

And that's what I think. I think there's, it's not about quantity. It's about quality. If all of that stuff was good and people were like waiting for the next TV show from Marvel, they couldn't wait to see what amazing stuff they did, then they'd be a different situation. But yeah, clearly Iger, and it was Iger and Cheypech, and. and Feigey, all of them can, because people love to give Feigey like a pass, like he's some low level

employee that they push around, which is just utter nonsense. All three of them bear responsibility for this path forward through streaming, right? But I also think, and again, I got to call out the fans here. Like, guys, they were trying to think on their feet during COVID. And it was tough. And I'm not here shilling or anything like that's because, God, the single brains. sell organisms of people who say that crap driving insane. It's more of analysis, right? You've got to also understand they were in a position where they're in completely newfound territory. How do we react to the fact that theaters are being shut down? No one is leaving their houses. We've got to do these. But we've got to do these shows and adhere to the COVID guidelines. So Captain America gets cut

by a few episodes and comes a little under or the Winter Soldier one. No, yes, Falcon Winter Soldier gets undercut and comes not it doesn't come out well some of the other shows are a little wonky we're thinking on the fly so it didn't turn out well and i understand that and you can judge it by the quality and all of that but look they were trying to to do things on the fly it didn't work out but it wasn't like their plan was this is normal days normal everything we're just now going to inundate you with all this stuff it was a plan because people were home and now they realized that they got bitten the ass because they didn't put good quality out there and get people excited so so both they got cocky though too john i think they got cocky also i think that it was probably

yeah i think when you know when you're you're throwing everything against the wall and everything's sticking and and and you're in a place for that many years when everybody's seen everything that you do and you put out like hey what about this movie we're going to put a talking raccoon in it huge hit nobody knows what it was who cares uh this movie uh captain marvel billion dollars like what the hell's going on we can we can we can we can do whatever we want Well, that goes to my point, doesn't it? People kept coming even for their crappy stuff. Because they were leading to put in extra effort and got caught.

Because what they did is they ran with this thing of, which was really one of its kind of the shared universe going into, although Kevin Smith did at first, but stuff. But the leading to the idea of, look, this is going to lead to a big event, to a big event, to a big event. So everything was must see. It's not must see. It's not must see anymore. Because we don't even know who. the Avengers are. This Avengers movie coming out. Who are they? Who are the

Avengers? Yeah. Who are they? Like the new Avengers. Okay, that a movie that not everyone saw. And then Mackey's Avengers, who are they? We don't know yet. And then there's possibly the young Avengers. Who are they? No one knows. It's this, there's no, it's a mess. It's a mess. And all they're doing now is

really, as they should be at this point, it all is on Downey's shoulders now. And now it makes sense why they went and got him. as much as I don't I think they could have gotten somebody else and done something it makes sense why they did they're just like please help us yeah and the people who come at this and go like oh it's because they went woke and DEI it's just to me that's utter nonsense because it was them coming then changing directions and wanting to bring more people into the tent and there's nothing wrong with that the problem was the quality of those shows was not good and so you essentially gave people ammunition to go after your decisions to be more inclusive. I do think sometimes, numerous advocates, they fumbled the ball.

But I think there's times that you do things where it's like, it fits the story, it's, it's right, it works. And there's other times I do think that Faggy sometimes bent the knee to social media. I think that there are sometimes that he was, it's like, oh, you know, we need to do this. We have to do this because we're going to look like this if we don't do that. And it's like, just, you didn't do that when you did movies like, Black Panther, which was

incredible movie. It fit the time. It was it was time for the movie. People responded to it. And it didn't, it felt like, this is the story that we want to follow. You don't have, you didn't have to be black to enjoy it. You didn't have, you went and you watch that movie

and you went, this is a powerful movie. They got an incredible filmmaker. You see, it's like one of the biggest stars ever. And they did things because everything just kind of, it fit right. It just felt like during a period of time, They were going, well, we were supposed to do this right now because everybody was doing that. Every, every studio was doing that.

And I think that they, I think that sometimes I think Fagie, I think he gets a little like, oh, I don't want social media to come after me. That's great. But now we're on the other side. Sure. Right? Right? Because now we're seeing more conservative stuff.

We're seeing more white actors being cast again. It's over actors of color and women, more male actors. We're seeing all of that. So all of you who brought that energy for the last four, years how upset you were about DEI and blah blah blah you better bring that same energy when we see all these white people being in charge of stuff being leading stuff catering to the conservative point of view catering to that's the red state point of view and when those shows and movies come out and they're crap you better have the same energy because i guarantee you a lot of those people won't

a lot of those people will forgive it and excuse it and say no it's fine we'll get to the next one or try to explain it away. And so if you're going to be consistent, then you've got to be consistent that if someone is listening to social media too much, no matter what side of the fence they're on and adhering to it and the quality of the product is terrible, you got to criticize it just as equally as you did the other side. If not, you're a fake outrageer. Fake outrage. Fair enough. All right, listening, staying with this, they also said the box office now. How much to lose 45 pounds? What's how much? How much? Yeah. How much you are?

You should tell you lost a lot more than 45 pounds. You should tell us what you did. I'm at 45. Yes, I've lost. Look at that. Box office. International, not saving Fantastic Four. With the International and Sunday domestic numbers coming in,

Marvel will be understandably concerned this morning. The Fantastic Four First Steps estimates for its second week and are now at 40 million domestically as an expected steep drop of 66 with its domestic total at 198 after 10 days. It's one of the worst drops of the MCU. the worst being the 68% of Captain America, Brave New World earlier this year. It's crazy to me that this movie had the same drop as that movie. International was a bit more forgiving. The title falling 54% overseas in its second weekend for a further 39.8, that brings the overseas total of this 170.3 and the worldwide to 368.7.

The hard fact is that the recent Superman is having decidedly more staying power. It's another point we didn't make, which is an excellent point. At the same point in time, James Gunn's film has a second weekend of 57. million domestic and 45.2 million overseas, bringing it to a domestic total of 235 overseas total of 178 and worldwide of 406. Superman is still in play, though, the title coming in fourth in its fourth weekend frame with a further 13.8 domestic, 11.2 internationally brings up the 316 million domestically to 35 million overseas.

Brad Pitt's lead F1, is still making money, especially in Asian markets like Korea. Worldwide has made 545 million. Yeah. It takes past World War Z to become Pitt's highest grossing movie ever. How crazy is that? It's great. I love that. You know, different times and different prices and stuff.

For how long that mother has been around. But, yeah, the international is another point to make that I think is an excellent point. In 2018, you know, and I still had the, you still the mentality with it. So 2016, 50, movies would come out week after week. It would be a big movie in the beginning of. of May a week later, maybe two weeks later, another big movie comes out. And it didn't really hurt that much, that first big movie because it was just, everybody was going to see movies in the summer season.

We ain't in that time period anymore. It is, that's why now someone asked me the other day about if Doom was going to move out of the way of Avengers, right? Almost at this point you can say, should Avengers move out of the way at Doom, but we're not, But we're not there. I do think Dune now should move because you choose what you're going to see in the theater. And I think people chose the people who didn't wind up going to the casual fan, I should say, chose Superman over Fantastic Four, the casual fan.

Yeah. I think there's questions to be asked as people have said already about release dates, about releasing this thing when they could have released it in November, where you could argue like the families are around. And yes, you'd probably be going up against Avatar, but you would have had a few weeks before Avatar. But November during Thanksgiving, right around that season might have been the way to go to get people to see the movie.

But again, as you said, that's hindsight is 2020. I think Marvel thought, well, D.C. is a bit damaged. Jurassic World. It's not the, it's not Bryce Dallas Howard and Chris Pratt and the whole crew back again. We have a real opportunity here to like own the summer with a movie like this. And it seems like in hindsight, they completely miscalculated. Because as someone pointed out to me on Twitter, like the amount it costs to go see movies with a family now, you have to be much more selective of films you choose to go. And as you said earlier, like you pull your children and go, which one do you guys want to go see more?

And that's the one you're going to spend your money on. And clearly people chose Jurassic World really over both because they, Jurassic World has stomped them both. Oh, but they didn't stop them both. Worldwide. It's worldwide. Total. You can't separate. It's the convenient narratives.

Like, it's, this is the overall total, the overall total, stomped Superman and stopped. I think you can absolutely say because it's different, it's different tastes and it's different understandings in general. Like, there were different cultures of things too. Like when you go, if you look at domestic, let's just take out for right now, just for the sake of argument. Sure.

Take out the international, right? And would you say that in the states, in the states, fine, sure. Jurassic World and Superman were pretty much, neck and neck. They're still neck and neck. Yes. It's 17 to 316.

Right. So it's like a totally, as where like there's a certain, there's certain markets that respond to things differently. And I do. And I've always said, I think that I think that Superman has always been, whether they didn't do it as much this,

has always been associated as the American hero. He always has been. And when people, you don't shake that. So that's why here, where he's marketed to, he's doing good. internationally, he did okay.

Right. And Drasker will beat the piss out of them internationally. Right, but I don't look at it in a vacuum type of way. You look at what is the overall box office total. And the overall box office total has stomped the overall box office total so far. Overall, sure. Yes, because it's made almost, it's almost $300 million more than Superman and certainly much more than fantastic. At this point, we don't know what they're.

happen next couple of weeks. But clearly people chose those two, how about this, people chose those two movies over Fantastic Four. And it could just be they were exhausted. They'd spent their money. They didn't want to go multiple times in theater, having already gone multiple times for Jurassic World probably multiple times for Superman, people didn't feel like a Fantastic Four was something they would want to go see multiple times, whether it's the movie or the timing of the movie. So there's a lot of factors to look at why this thing isn't doing as well as Marvel had hoped. But if you want to go, yeah, if you want to go provincially to just domestically,

yes, fine, yes, it's comparable. But we can't make an assessment on. No, overall, but overall, there's no, it's the clear winner. And there's no world where they're going to even come close to it. I just didn't think it was going to win by this much. No, I did. Internationally, what do you guys think? Is any world the international could say fantastic for,

does it actually look like it's going to be? Well, we know drastic world's going to be the winner. And then it'll be Superman and then it'll be Fantastic Four. What do you guys make of the whole box office conversation in general? Do you think that we're just making, you know, nothing out of this? And the fact that Fantastic Four might actually help out the Avengers and people will come see it. And the second one will do better or are we on point here? What do you think?

Put your thoughts in there. Let us know. All right. We're going to come back with a bunch of other topics, a lot of other things to talk about. And first of all, thank everybody who's in here right now, almost 1,400 people watching live. Um, if we, um, we have told you guys many times over if you want to help out the show. Right now, the questions are coming in fast and furious too on the, on the super chats. And we'll get to those.

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Oh my God, if we get that person, people are going to lose their freaking minds. That's great. So we're trying. We're trying right now and there'll be more news on it. But anyway, you got a lot going on with you and I know this, this weekend you did the, uh, Hey, look at that. Yeah, I was, I'm in the process. I was just moving. So like I was, I was trying to I watched the punk and gunther match with my little one on Sunday morning. We watched it. But overall, it was two nights. There was a pretty big event.

And there was a lot of things that were happening in this one. And what were your overall thoughts of Somersland? Yeah, I thought it was a good premium live event. It wasn't a great premium live event. There were great moments within it. They were like three or four really great moments within it. and the highlight was absolutely the Sina versus

Cody Rhodes match and I never thought I would say that about a Sina match since he came to him. But that match was incredible. It's an all-timer. Wow. All-timer. And when you watch it, you'll see.

This is the best match you wrestled since he came back. That was old school scene. He brought it for one last night. I don't know if that ridiculous way they ended it is going to lead to another battle that will be his final one. But if he went out on this one,

he wouldn't need to fight another match. Like honestly, it was such an incredible match. And Cody and him wrestled to the nth degree on it. So it was phenomenal, the match. And the other match, the punk and punk match with Gunther was initially great. And then it got kind of like, can you believe that he's able to pull this stuff off? And it was a little wonky. But it was, but the, the Seth Rollins thing, although most people predicted it,

they still played it so well. and it worked well and got the pops that they wanted. I thought the triple threat match with the ladies to lead off night two was really good with Ria and Naomi and Eo Sky. I thought the tag match with the table ladders and chairs. I started out feeling like, oh, this is not that exciting. And then it really got good as it went along.

Becky and Lyra, that was an interesting match that might have gone a little too long. There were some disappointing matches, though, Jacob Fatu and Solo was surprisingly kind of a dud. And some of the night one stuff wasn't as exciting or thrilling as you were hoping. But yeah, I mean, the thing with the thing at the end is what ruins for me, the taste of the whole thing. But overall, to John Thomas, obviously, they brought back Brock Lesnar and it's been going, people have been going kind of nuts about it because he was in the, he was in the,

he was in the allegations against Vince and or with him 40 times, I think he was mean, right? So my question is, and I'm asking because I don't, I don't know anything about what kind of afterwards. Was there an investigation? Was he cleared or was it still open? They haven't made any of that clear. They haven't made any of that clear. She amended her statement to say that he wasn't involved, but in terms of doing anything with her. But the thing is that he was supposed to do something with her. He got too drunk to do it. It wasn't like he had a crisis of conduct. That's in the record. That's what is in the allegations in the state. Alleged. Was that not not right.

Right. All this stuff is a lady. Watch the documentary and tell me if you want to give me. Okay. Yeah, I have to think of that. Just ask him the question. Yeah, yeah. I know. I'll totally. And the thing is that he had accepted having sex with this woman in exchange for signing a new contract with WW. Right. The problem, he went to go see her at her place.

It's unclear whether you actually saw her. He's only there quickly. Then went out drinking and apparently got too drunk to go back to her place and consummate the deal, in essence, physically with this woman. but it did lead to Vince then according to the allegations playing as if he is Brock Lesnar and having very rough intercourse with this woman in a very unsettling way from what you read in the things. The thing is people are hiding behind this idea of like oh these are allegations, it's just allegations, but you read that stuff

and you read the text messages and do me a favor. Read it to the female partners in your life. Read it to your mom. Read it to your sister and you tell me if you should be cheering for this man coming back. And that's the thing that you look at this stuff and go, this is some sickening stuff that's going on behind the scenes. I wonder why though, like where Sina plays, from what they said, the Sina really want. That's triple H says that. And he's the most, the most unreliable narrator there is on the planet this side of Vince now.

And so. I got a statement from Sina on that. Yeah. But Sina's been, Sina's been defending Vince from all of these allegations because how much Vince has helped him. So it's a complicated situation. And it's frustrating because you want to believe the best. of these people and when they pull a move like this it's an insult to women to pull a move like this

because it's still under investigation the stuff hasn't been settled why would you bring an alleged sexual predator or someone who's willing to willing to be part of a sex trafficking scheme back to your um uh organization and i can't help but think because he's been meeting with trump and he thinks he's he's clear w w is clear that they think they can do anything now and we're going to accept And again, like I said, I think that if it turns out, I don't think you're wrong that if it turns out that, you know, if the investigation was forward and he's continued to be named and everything and he's part of it, then it's a bad move on their part without having all this stuff kind of. I think it's a move period already. But what if, hypothetically, what if it comes out? What if it does come out that he's clear to these things and these things that like he, it was actually not.

It wasn't factual. I'm just saying, if that, if that, that's happened in the past with other people where things have been presented and it turns out because then the guy doesn't get an opportunity to come back and do that. Because at that point, like, let's say hypothetically, that is a scenario that happens. Right. You essentially would be like, okay, look, it turned out that it wasn't true. My point is don't bring him back until you have.

You know. You know for sure. What if they know for sure? And they just, then you just release it. Then they should have released it. And the fact that they canceled press conference. They canceled the press conference. Because they didn't want to deal with it.

Because they're cowards. They want to, he went on his show and all of those people sitting at that desk, suckle at the teat of WWE. So you can't take their opinions on anything seriously with the WWE. Talk about shills. Those people are shills. Sam Roberts,

all those guys are shills for WWE. They work for. They work for their shills. They work for them. They work for them. So they're shills. And so you look at that situation. That's the way I look at it.

And so they're not going to ask AAA, well, what were you thinking, you know, and read out the accusations and be like, you think this is a person that should come back. They're not going to do that. And so to me, that's what soured the whole. Because, I mean, it is, it was a effing great ending. And to bring such a device thing. Because now that overshadows everything. Right. Well, it's really undercut.

Sure. Because that's what you're talking about by the end of the night and not the rest of the stuff that really kind of went down. But to jump back into the actual part of it, like Saturday. I did watch. I like the reveal because I bought the Seth Rollins injury. I mean, I bought it. A lot of people did. Yeah. I bought it. I bought a hook. I and singer. So I, I enjoyed that. I thought that part was it. It was adorable though, because I was watching my little one. And when Gunther got spit open, she was, she buried her head and she's like, I don't want to watch. She's like, I don't want to watch. She just, she wouldn't watch it. And then she was just telling me who wins.

And then I was like, see him punk once. She's like, yay. And then, and then when Seth Rollins came in, She's like, I like his outfits. I want him to win. Anyway, SummerSlam, did you guys watch it? Did you not watch it? What do you think about all of it? The controversial, the matches themselves. Put your thoughts in there.

We want to know. There's another topic that I guess somewhat contrary. We can end with this one and go into the questions. Oh, sure. And that's this Disney, scrapping AI plans for Tron and Moana. What's that mean, you say? Well, I'm going to tell you. A major new feature piece in the Wall Street Journal has gone into Disney's use of AI in its upcoming productions,

including some big revelations about the tech's potential use in two of the studio's biggest films in the next year. The studio is said to be taking conservative approach with this adoption of AI in concern over both its potential legal exposure and damage to its storytelling legacy. Report indicates at one time Disney pitch an AI generated a sidekick character named Bit for Jeff Bridges, Kevin Flynn character in Tron Aries. The idea was reportedly initially floated as a marketing idea and involved AI responding on screen, voiced by an actor, however, they scrapped it before any development progressed. Just to let you know, you're not moving up on the screen. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Sorry, thank you for letting me know.

That's it. No, that's it. Thank you. Everybody, appreciate it. The idea was, uh, exciting bad publicity wrecks during use, uh, union talks. Disney also cloned Dwayne Johnson for the upcoming live action Moana, specifically a small number of shots that Johnson was unable to do. They use Johnson similarly, but Bill's cousin,

Tonoya Reid is a body double. There you go. The studio would work with AI company metaphysics to create deepfakes of Johnson's face that they can be layered on top of Reed's performance in the footage. Johnson approved it, but then things got caught up and illegal, quagmire to the point that none of the footage will be in the final film when it's released next summer. Interviews with multiple employees and partners indicate the studio faces issues, many other major corporations have over AI's advance and concerns how to use it.

Okay, this is that as clear as day as you're going to get. It's about as clear as day as you're going to get. Go ahead. This right now is the way that the business works. So people going, ooh, should we use it? And then someone goes, no, no, no, no, don't. Don't do it. And then the few younger people that are in there going,

now we can use it. We can do it. The new tech, the tech people, as it becomes big business. And it becomes as big as, you know, all these other huge companies that have their say, go, use our thing. do or thing. No, not yet. Not yet. There's some money. Oh, fine. And then the younger people who, I'm using AI all my life, then they start doing it right now.

This is the you're going to have this constant story. They want to use it. No, no, no. They want to use it. No, no, no. They used a little bit of it. Fine. They use a little bit. Fine. They use too much. No, no, no. And then they're going to be using it and it's going to happen. Now, should they? Different conversation. That's just how it's going to happen. They're going to AI right now. They decone stuff and all the stuff as it advances AI characters. it will happen. If any movie should have had an AI character, though, it's Trond. 100%. This is like, if you, and guys are going to relate to this.

This is like when you are carrying five things out of the kitchen and you think you can grab the six things so you don't want to make a second trip to the kitchen. Or you're carrying a bunch of groceries and there's like one extra bag and you're like, I think I can handle it. Women can carry groceries too. Well, yes, I'm sorry, women carry groceries to. Let's be equal, yes. But I'm just saying, guys are the dumb ones who think we can carry everything at all

at once. And so we're just because we want to save time for whatever reason in our minds. So this is what it is. And grabbing that sixth thing is AI. And it's going to happen. And you're just plugging holes in a desperate attempt. And you're absolutely right, Christian. Like, this is the, we're in that transition place, but it is going to be the way of things

within five years. and all the strikes and all the stuff we had, this is going to be a really interesting thing to look back on all those strikes, seeing how a lot of the entertainment has constricted. People have lost jobs. People have been left out of Hollywood. Budgets have gotten a little bit smaller on some of the stuff

as it's gone along. And now they want to bring AI. The guy from Lionsgate said, we will now be able to do more movies because we will make them with AI. It's different when Lionsgate says it than when Disney says it. So the fact that Disney is opening the door to it, and it's on the heels of that The Wizard of Oz presentation,

which I don't know if you guys saw that where they're in the sphere in Vegas, they have done AI to present Wizard of Oz in the sphere. They've added scenes. They've added characters walking into scenes. There's an eight-and-a-half-minute piece on YouTube that you guys can watch on it. Mankowitz from TCM covers it. It is crazy. So AI is coming.

It's inevitable. And people need to get educated on it because it is going to happen. And this idea of, and I get it, this idea of pearl clutching from a place of creativity and purity and all of that, I respect that. Right. You're not going to win. You're not going to win. No, it's not.

It is one of those things. I'm telling you, though, it's a generational thing. Oh, 100%. Generation. It's a realtor will give a shit. Yeah. In like 20 years from now, you know, when 30 years from now, when those people are running the business, they're going to be, it's going to be like, yeah, I grew up with this stuff.

And when I was doing it, it's like, I've been working with it forever and the stuff that we can do, it's like, this is, this is the business. It's evolution. And the old, and the old farts like us can be like, we know, we know, that's not how it was when we were kids. And just how it is. We were younger, Christian. We got into CGI, Jurassic Park. People love that, right? And the practical effects, you're right, though, couldn't. Yeah, a pet. A hundred percent, GGI was coming in. So, this is generational. It is going to, it is going to change. But it's not, and I'm very clear, not taking away from anybody who can be upset about this.

You know, you can, there's certain ways that things were run. Like, I still, I, we're just talking about the WWE. The golden era is still my favorite error. Yeah, of course. Still my favorite. I wish that they could go back to that, but there's no way that they ever could. They never could in the way that like people, you know it wasn't, you knew that the, you know, it wasn't script. You knew it was scripted, but nobody really said it.

You know, everybody says it is. And it's like it doesn't take it away. But those who grew up on it, now they love it. That's part of it. That's what they do. The ones who grew up on this version of it, that's their version of it. So it's just how it goes. I bet the old school guys hate that stuff like crazy.

Well, I saw something. Who was I said, I mean, he's not an old school. He's an old school MMA guy, but Josh Barnett was talking about, because they, the Unreal? Did you watch Unreal? I've not yet watched about it. It's probably in order. But Unreal, he, Josh Brennan was saying how much he hated it because it just is too much behind the curtain.

If that show would have come out, if that show would have come out, you know, randomly, like when they weren't opening up, like, when, you saw Ria Ripley on Van Bleak. It was great interview. It was great. He's the best. And so she was just talking about, well, my character is, they treat you like television show now. Right. Probably Pipers just get stabbed in arena, so they thought he was, they thought he was who he was. Blair, too.

Yeah. All of them. Anyway, that's a sidestep. AI. Hey, wait, I try to get stabbed in the Shmohdown. No one wanted to stab me when I came out of the heels. It sucked. Well, keep going on Twitter the way we are.

So, guys, thank you as far as this topic goes. Let us know. AI. What's your thoughts on it? Put your thoughts in there. We want to know. All right, John, we're going to get to these questions, man. Use chat GPT to respond to our thoughts.

on AI. And we're not even here right now. I'm on my way to the two screenings I have to go to. That would be awesome. I know. Yeah, I'm actually, I'm going to see tonight. I'm going to see weapons. I just watched Barbarian for the first time. I just put my reaction up today. Nice. Movie was crazy. It was a crazy movie. So that's up there right now. And then I'm going to see that. And then right after two double features. I haven't dubbed double features since like the LIS days. and I've done two double features in the last like month. Wow. But this is going to be a much better one than the one.

I did Smurfs, and I know what you did last summer. That was the lesson. Now I'm doing weapons and Free Year Friday, two very different movies, but I'm still, I'll say Jamie Lee Curtis, what she did in the last season of the bear. Oh. Can we real quick? Yeah. We just finished it over the weekend.

Sure. I don't understand the negative review of that season. Me either. That was an awesome season. of the Bay. I didn't finish you yet, but I'm pretty close. Yeah, it was better than season three. We finished up over the weekend and I don't know what these negative reviewers were talking about. Like nothing happened. A lot happened in that show. Yeah, it was it. You know what it was, John? It was a fact that a lot of it didn't happen in the restaurant. Yeah, I guess. Yeah.

But that's not the point of the show. The characters are the point of the show. Their investment as human beings is the point of the show. Yeah. I agree. Okay. So we have these questions that we're going to be getting at right now. So you guys, if you want to get John, or he's going to really have 49, 40, before we even started here, too. So John, before we get going on the questions, tell them what's going on in the channel. Yeah, the John Roca, soon to be John Roca channel, we're officially becoming that next Monday. This week, we're going to do some old school stuff. We might have some mornings with the outlaw stuff, some outlaw nation stuff, good little old school to finish out,

the outlaw nation run and move in fully to become the John Roca channel next Monday. But I will probably be live a little bit. bit later on today doing some commentary on some of the stuff i'm going to see a couple of movies today and then uh we've got to spill the tequila tomorrow we've got hopefully a jenni way this week definitely some geek buddy stuff as well to come hang out with us and do all of that and then hot the hot mic on thursday won't be a second hot mic show this week because jeff is on his anniversary in palm springs so uh you know if you see him over there hanging out his pink speedos give him a give him a hello and a hi talk about somebody who on twitter

But listen, bitch about him all you want. Jeff's Twitter only increases. It only increases. Yeah, he's by himself now. It's the best thing he can do because he knows he's, that's the most dangerous version of Jeff Snyder or some, a version that knows he can't be fired. That's why I said he told some guy to eat his ass.

I don't know. That's a, he's, anyway. All right, first one, Jake Mason became a YouTube member. Thank you, Jake. Great name. Good time, Jason.

Good time, by the way. Good time to be a member, right now. Yeah. What do you mean good time to be member? What's that? Well, I got the unedited versions of the reactions that are always up there too. That's where we have the other thing that we're doing. We have the live event with Sam that people are going to get early access to.

I think I'm pretty sure that's that works on August 9th. We have the live stream going on over there. But the other thing that we have is that these conversations, I'm telling you, I had such a great conversation with the members. We had an exclusive stream. We do two of them a month. And I had a conversation with them. They gave me so many great ideas about the,

Kickstarter and what we can be doing because we're going do we like you know you know you understand this when you're going for like a budget for a pilot yeah and you want it to look like a Netflix Apple Amazon Prime right and you want to get like quality cast people don't understand you you can't make you you need to put real money into it yeah yeah you need to make real money into it so we're going we're going and you look at what stuckman did and I use him as an example of how he was able to raise the money he was raising um and we're going big and that's and we're going to try to utilize all the assets that we have for it and and in order to do that we got to give goals and we got to give ideas and things that people

are have incentive to do so the the members were really helpful on on helping me right on uh matth garrett as i was saying we rejected disney marvel he said this is the other thing last week uh deadpool was a giving because we knew we he would make fun of marvel and he did and you and the emcee delivered who is who is who are you talking for you talking for yourself that well that's true though he says he's he's he's he's a big we guy um there's and it's like but i don't i don't know matthias uh you know who who you're representing here when it when it's like we because there are a lot of people who did go see the movie and is rejected is it's it's not it's a failure there's no that about it's a failure

the movie right now is a failure and at that point yes it's heading that way it's a as far as what what it was intended to be to what it is it's an unfortunate unfortunate failure. But I still think that there's, it's not, but Disney, Disney slash Marvel, you're saying Marvel? We've rejected Disney slash Marvel because, again, Avatar is coming out. You also had inside out that did very well. They had a bunch of different movies that do well. So that side of it, I'm not with you, but the Marvel side of it. Yeah. And none of you, none of you would have rejected crap if the movies were good. None of you. And the Thunderbolts was good, but it was, people just didn't know those characters and didn't go in the same numbers. But if Thunderbolts was being led by Scarlett Johansson, it would have made money.

If Captain America Brave New World was actually good, it would have made money. So you or we haven't rejected anything. You just didn't like those movies. Please stop trying to think you're leading movements for God's sake of nonsense. Go ahead. All right. Let's see. New member here with Max Trent.

Thank you, Max. Hey. Love in that. Two new members. 52 so far, John. Bring it. Bring it people. I know you guys are angry. Bring it. Tom Hanks. What happened? Have you been back to Trader Joe? I know. I haven't been back since I told that story again last night. You know, it's funny. You know, you know what I saw it? I haven't done a reaction or review about it yet.

So a good buddy Marshall over at, it was Disney for a long time, but he's at, you know, Marshall's great. He's the best. And he invited me, they did a screening for Taratowski's new movie as a Netflix the fixed. Oh yeah. It's it's really funny. Do you know what it's about? No. So it's a it's a it's a it's a raunchy animated comedy. Okay. And it's about it's about a just dog who's got his balls and he finds out that his owners want to cut his balls off. So he's got to go and he he runs away because he goes and he goes on this crazy adventure. her. And the voice talent is incredible. It's Adam Devine is the is the main dog. Idris Elba. Catherine Hahn. There's some really great people with it. The beginning of it, I was nervous.

As I walked in, I'm going, okay, raunchy jokes, we get it. Is this the whole movie? The movie has heart. It's got hard. And I enjoyed it. It was so we went there and then afterwards, there was a bunch of people who were kind of stared kind of, you know, we went to. New York. It was in New York. And it was, I really enjoyed it. I probably would do somewhat of a review reaction at some point. But I recommend it for those people who, if anybody in here likes animation,

they should probably go and check it out. I don't know if there's anybody who likes animation. Okay. Next one after that. Yeah. Okay. So here we go. 54 coming in hot with John Roker.

And again, yeah, If you guys want to... Are you stalling right now? What the hell are you doing? I am stalling. I'm telling. Larry Portowitz. Actually, you know what?

Watch this. Go ahead. Oh, yeah. Are you going to take me out now? No, I'm picking up because my writing partner is calling me right now. So I told her was live. She says. What's your name?

Martini. Martini, hey, you're on the air. Fantastic. Hello, everybody. So, yeah, I'll be on the air for the next hour. Bye. Bye. But I've told, no, don't say bye yet.

I've told people that we're doing the kickststst starter and we're coming up with goals and the people have been helping us out and eventually you got to come on so they know who the hell you are it's going to be hilarious it's sell I like it all right I'll I'll hit you up when I get out of here if you're around but bye she is very funny martini is he martini Patatole yeah martinique is her name but martinique nice yeah but martini Larry Quarretts. People also lump in all executives unfairly when blaming them. Some execs are creatives who do push for quality content.

We just want to hear about that. That is very true. Thank you. It is very true. I was around it. I was around it. There are a lot of idiot executives. Of course.

There are people who are just so business-minded, they have not a creative bone in their body. I was surrounded by a lot of creative people. Naviade McElagherj was a creative executive, Eric Olson, David Gambino, Susan Downey, who like i worked at junior's wife yes yeah and they were all executives and they were all it's it's then there's other and there's other people in the studio system so it's yeah uh nathan's great because they don't see that there's nuance here but yeah Jurassic world rebirth is better than the last five transplants you're a moron i'm not going to argue with that i'm not going to argue with it tim no he's saying but that means oh no no no no no no no no no he's saying but that means oh no no no no he's saying but that's better at bubbleby

And not better than Transformers one. No, no, no, no. No, no. Again, I question the intelligence of this moviegoer. Tim, since Fantastic Four is in the new Avengers, in the next Avengers, won't that help Fantastic Four more known to casuals? That should make the sequel have a much bigger payoff, right? Potentially, potentially. If they're used.

Potentially, though, that's not a guarantee, but you're not wrong for thinking that. Yeah. Jamie Rell, the Loka Stroker, Mr. John Tiberius Roker. Nice. Thank you. Scott Arwitz.

What's up, Scott? Hey, tonight is my father's third. I want to say this right. Yazrit, Jewish anniversary of death. And he and I were a big Star Trek fan and honor of my father's memory.

Roker, can you talk about how fantastic Star Wars? It was Star Wars. Star Trek, New World. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I've watched the first two, episodes so far i'm going to catch up on the other two episodes in the next couple of days uh loved it what a beginning to this season i've just in a sad place because they've already said it's going to be done

after season five and i love this cast i love this crew and i love this approach to starjack maybe my favorite thing since they all came back along with picard season three so yeah highly recommended it's a great show awesome um and again very sorry for you lost i'm glad that's how you're um I love having those those memories you know like there's things you've done with your with your parents I'm sure I'd forbid you know the day that my my pops in your I'm gonna have so many ideas and thoughts and things that we did I was looking through so is his 80th that's coming up oh and we put together like this whole thing though these all these pictures and I'm like oh man I know I'm gonna I'm looking these

pictures differently today that I will in 15 20 years from now you know I probably won't get invited to say anything about your dad either. Like I wasn't invited for the Mark Riley birthday. Go ahead. Yeah, go ahead. Let's go. What the hell is wrong? If I had a list of all because you're pissed off. All right. Shelf presence. For me, I don't like theaters. It doesn't have to do equality in a business inspecting movie. I'd rather rate for digital.

I don't think you're not alone. I'll say I took Matt, Sarah, with me to the last two press screenings of naked guns. and Fantastic Four. It was if I took him to Eden. He couldn't believe that people weren't on their phones. He couldn't believe that people weren't talking in the theater, that people weren't putting their feet up. He couldn't believe how well-behaved people were in the press screening.

He couldn't believe it. He loved going to it, and he doesn't want to go to any other screenings. And I said, yeah, this is all I do now. This is all I do. I hate going to regular theaters because people are so ill-behaved. Yep. I love screenings that are only just pressed because none of that happens. And the other side of it is now when I go to theaters,

I look and see if there's only five or six people in the theater, and that's the screening I go to. That's the, if I'm going to go again to see a movie, because people are so ill-behaved now. Again, the moviegoers, they are ill-behaved at these films.

And so, you know, there's a lot of things to look at when it comes to moviegoers. Right. I don't know. Not of you, just. But Fantastic 4 was a spectacle movie. So what do you, what does that mean, shelf?

That's pretty much a spectacle movie. True that. Okay. So I lost, I lost a few of you. Here, God. RJ McR.J. McR. comes down to character fantastic for our paper thin in the film what is sue and reeds arc how do they change people throwing in a baby simply makes them parents what's johnny's art you learn space language do you want to have this discussion because we can yeah o j you know sue's arc is of course she's been helping with everything that's been going on and she's this world leader but now she's becoming a mom and what does that mean and when she delivers that speech about sacrificing the baby or for the planet of the planet, sacrifice the planet for the baby.

That's her making that turn where she understands that there's a bigger implication of things that she's doing. And so she's got to learn from that. With Pedro Pascal's the dad, he is overly protective of the child. He's got to learn to let go of those things and learn to let go of him needing to have the right answer all the time. That's the whole journey. And with Johnny, it's about Johnny come to terms of the fact that he is an integral member

of the Fantastic Four and him learning the space language. For him, that's his art. he had by the end of the movie he is ready to heroically sacrifice himself in order to save this child because he now feels like a fully pledged member of the four it's not that hard buddy it's not hard r j um you know my favorite part of sinners was what's that when um what's his face are you go no i just i don't know why i thought of when you said you said something i just what's this oh my god who's the back jack o'connell oh yeah damn hey like two or three times scammy i don't know that had nothing to do with anything you were talking about

tyler fiver stuckman just released the shelby oaks trailer looks great good for him like i said he's been a big operation as far as starting this project i'm going to reach out to him trying to get him on the show to so he can put a help promote his movie and b um i want to talk to him and get his advice on this stuff because i'm going i'm going all out on this one guys i really am and it's like i'm just going to I'm I feel like if we can put the power in in our hands and you're John's talking about you know the executives and all that stuff too is that we can do that where what I know I know what we have is good with this script and instead of someone looking and go oh well you can do this well you what did you put a what you put a

an alien in and instead of it's a dramatic comedy what's it's it's dromony where's the talking dog right um so no I don't want to do that but so I'm just going to shoot it myself and hopefully, you know, the audience will get behind it. Sketchcraft. If the planet of the apes films can operate with intelligence and box office success, and so can Jurassic Park. They, they universal just aren't doing it. I agree with that, though, don't you?

Yeah, they're not doing it because you guys are, because people are going to see the movies. So why should they put effort in? Now, that I'm not going to disagree with you. I'm not going to disagree with you on the fact that, like, look, if it ain't broke, right? Every time they make these dumb, movies yep like this didn't make a billion dollars but it got close got close so yeah so yeah

it's like why why do we want to change it we're gonna look it's like it's like it's like bumblebee we're gonna make an actual good transformers movie let's make a good transformers movie nobody came nobody saw it and i do think that that's because it was so dumbed down by bay people were exhausted by it but uh roselio became a you to remember thank you roselia Screwface, John coming in high. Do you think Fantastic 4 has a bad brand due to all the bad movies before? And if the numbers continue to dip, what does this mean for the MCU to you? Well, I think we definitely kind of dove into that earlier.

I assume screw face, you might have asked that before we were talking about it. But I think that, yeah, the brand has definitely been diluted for sure. And as far as the numbers being bad, there's nothing to do at this point. They're already shooting, they're shooting Doomsday. So like, you just have to. you just got to put everything into doomsday and hope is because do i'll tell you right now dooms if that if that underperforms that does does it shut down i mean i don't know i think i think figgy leaves i after that figgy leaves and you you delay x maybe you go through x men and then

you move on this is the situation but like as far as the brand with fantastic four i hear your screwface the previous movies have not been that great and i also think there is some validity to the fact the Fantastic Four doesn't have the poll amongst the casuals that like Superman and Batman or Wonder Woman or the Avengers would have now. And so that could have affected things. But look how many good Superman movies there are, right? They're not that many yet people will still come to a Superman movie because they have hope that it'll be good. So it's all it's all a case by case basis. But as the numbers continue to dip, what does this mean for the MCU to you?

Yeah, like Christian said, it means they're going to have to rethink a lot of things. And I wonder, as Rebecca Romano and Stamos said over the weekend, and as Jeff and I've been saying on Hot Mike, they still haven't finished the script for Doomsday. So they may cut lines, they may change scenes, they may change who's in the scene. So don't be surprised if you see less of some of these characters that are in these underperforming movies than you thought you were going to see.

Yeah, maybe. The great Tim Sim. Hey. Someone who's finally able to see F4 tomorrow. It'll be a bummer. But the explanation for the box office is, I believe to be this plain and simple, better to wait for streaming.

and not everyone can go see more than one film a month. I think that there's validity to do that. Why doesn't that apply to Jurassic World, Jurassic Park? Maybe that's one that they chose. Maybe that's the one that they chose. It came out first. Yeah.

It did. Again, you can argue about release dates, right? Should have gone. Yeah. So, I mean, I think there's validity to what Tim is saying there too, because we're streaming, it's like, okay, because of the window after 45 days, they're like, yeah, I've seen a lot of superheroes.

I want to see it, but I pay for the service. And I have a, look, I got a pretty good TV now. for me. And I'm like, I'm going, okay, you know what? There's some movies I didn't see in the, in the theater. Bummer that I missed it, but I'm looking forward to watching that at home. I think if you're dealing with people's motivations, there's nothing you can say that is plain and simple, Tim. So I'll push back on that because people went to see Deadpool and Wolverine to a $1.4 billion. People went to say Lilo and Stitch over a billion dollars this year. They could have easily waited for Disney Plus for that, especially. But no, when films are, catch the pop culture zeitgeist,

people want to be in the theaters to see them. Oppenheimer, Barbie, these are these things. There's numerous examples of people catching the wave of something, but clearly, for whatever reason, and there are many, Fantastic Four didn't have that reaction. That's fair. All right, next one. Mike's movie madness.

Hey, Christian, rank these haters. Lex Luthor, Robles said, just kidding, John Much Love. Still respect you, even though when I disagree with you. You can't ask for more than that. No, absolutely. I think that's the correct ranking. Lex Luther, Robert, Philbin, John. It depends on the topic.

You might give Luther credit on certain topics. No, I'm saying we rank the haters as far as who the biggest haters are. That's what I'm looking at. It depends on the topic. Yeah, it's true. Not getting invited to Mark Riley's birthday party, that that's going to be, Roka's going to be the number one. Number one, not even get to be on the video, which was really, I was shocked by that.

Anyway, sketch crap. Inside Out 2 was a 2024 box office winner. Lilo and Stitch hit one Billy. If, if Transformers 1 was marketed as a kiddie film, it should have done better. It looked generic. Nah, but it wasn't,

but that's the problem. Here's the difference. Inside Out 2 was marketed as a kid's movie. And so was Lilo and Stitch, and they were kids movies. Good movies. Kids movie. They're aimed towards children.

Transformers 1 was marketed as a, it wasn't. It had a pretty, it was going towards an installment. it too. It wasn't just a and I should say even like a it played like almost like a preschool movie that the freaking trailer.

Yeah. I agree. I agree. And it's more of a young adult teenager and above film. And also with Inside Out you had Inside Out one which was amazing. That's why people think Zootopia 2 is going to do well. And Lilo and Stitch is a very beloved animated film. So that's all that it had going for where Transformers 1 did not.

Right. Alexis LeBlock. I think we forget that we used to see the MCU as a big TV series. Yes. People miss so many episodes too much less quality. They didn't bother catching up. Another great point. It is because that's the other thing. If you miss too many of these things,

you think like, I can't even tell you how many people asked me, hey, if I didn't see all this shows and everything, though, too, can I still see Fantastic Four? And I actually,

you can. It has nothing to do with it, but I can't say that for Thunderbolts. Yeah. But again, this is the thing. Like they made a plan during COVID and they were in motion with their plan and could not turn around. And unfortunately, people didn't enjoy those shows as the way that they should have and didn't have a piece because the quality wasn't 100% great there.

So they end up getting bit. I don't think people would have missed these episodes if these shows were good. You know, how many TV shows people watch a month for God's sakes? Adi Mahmood trailer for Stuckin's Movies out. Yes, I'll let us know. I've got to check it out. I got to check it out. Tim Sim.

I think that this July, more people took the path of watching Jurassic World Rebirth because dinosaurs are awesome no matter the story and wait for Superman and Fantastic 4 to be on streaming, especially with issues, DCEU, and early post-end game MCU years. John? I don't know. I don't, this is something that people say. Dinosaurs are awesome, but I don't know that mentality. Like, I just don't know it.

And maybe it's because I don't, you know. You don't adhere to it. Yeah, I don't adhere to. I don't think they're that interesting, but people do. Yeah. So, yeah, as you see from the numbers. But I think he's right, though. I think that's, I think internationally, as I was, that was the point I was making

before to him is that internationally, I find that to be very true. I think internationally, they don't care, like, if it's subtitles, I don't give a crap, but Scarlett Johansson and, and Marshall all you're talking about with their story. They don't give a crap. They're just like, what does it look like? What do the dinosaurs look like? And are the, and the dinosaurs, I will say, in this one, this,

they looked great my last one looked like a rancor like something the last one looked like a rancor 100 oh 100 no no no the monster yes the monster dinosaurs are are so stupid they're so stupid I hate them I'm with you on that I'm some of the actual dinosaurs that they use

you know the real dinosaurs they look they look good they're not real dinosaurs Christian no I mean the ones that are dead we're real Carlton Rudder London calling Saw Fantastic 4 in IMAX second time. Oh yeah. Great experience, but the screen was dead. Just four people, including me and my son. 10 years ago, it would have been another story. Yeah, it's sad. It's still doing well, though, and it's been, oh, F4. Sorry, F4, not F1. You get confused me there

for a second. That's happened to me a few times. It would have been another story. Yeah, fair point, fair point, yeah. Mike's movie man, it's never an actual question. Is Pedge up a skull fatigue a factor in the box office drop? I love the guy, but when an actor starts showing up and everything, casual viewers seem to get annoyed. It's a good question. It's a good question. It's a good Question. Showing up in everything. How many movies?

Three movies this month. What do you mean? He was in the one with Dakota Johnson. No one saw that movie. Okay. It doesn't matter. It's marketed. There's things all over the place.

People did see that movie. That's not true. That movie did decent. The materialist, wherever it was called. It did decent for them. And then the other one that didn't do well was the Ad Astra one, the one with him and Joaquin Phoenix. But he's in and he's in.

Oh, Eddington. Yeah. No one said. And he's in Last of Us. I mean, he's everywhere. I think that is, whether it's Jay Law or any of these people that consistently and you know, my wife is saying that with

Glenn Powell. So yeah, he's in everything. They do, once they find a star, they jam him down in your throat and it's like, take it easy. Push back. Yeah, it's fair. You know, and you're not wrong with materialists. I'm really surprised. 62 million worldwide. All film like that. So yeah, all right.

But yeah, I guess I guess, I mean, I like good actors and I like seeing good actors and things. And it's like he's terrible in any of these movies or TV movies. He's excellent. I thought he was great and fantastic for it, to me honestly. So I don't understand if there's a fatigue factor when they're good. Let me know. But don't be surprised that people start feeling that, though.

Yeah, maybe, maybe. Like studio people start feeling that way because. Oh, yeah, I don't. I think we won't see him for a bit and stuff. You'll see him a million. When this stuff comes out. Well, no, no. But if you see, if you see, if you're,

If you're, you know, it was like, oh, his last movie didn't do that well. That's what happens. That's what happens. Beto power. I agree with Roca. It's 100% on the audience for paying a ticket to see crap. But most of the audience is not serious about film. Most just want to have fun.

Also true. There you go. Tim Sim. I just see that Disney Plus is really going to be a huge problem for MCU when the streaming model is really being disruptive to theatrical releases. We'll see where it goes, but it'll be a dinner as I finally see it tomorrow. I hate being a broker record on this. I hate it.

But will they finally realize that they cannot do the $150 to $200 million movie anymore? Well, I think they have to say that they're not going to release these on Disney Plus for six months. I think that has to, you have to create an event. You're going to sync your platform. You don't have the big movies. All the competition you have? Maybe it should sync. That's the, that you can say that.

They're not going to say that's their model that they have. They don't want to do. They're too much. Look at Percy Jackson. what Percy Jackson's doing for that. Right. One of the most viewed, it's like their highest viewed show ever.

Well, that's the thing you have to rely on. Netflix doesn't put any movies, rarely puts any movies out in theaters, and they're able to survive. So you've got to figure out to adjust your streaming platform to. You just said that, though. You just said that the magic thing, though, that's the difference.

Netflix, maybe they put like, you know, like a special day or something. Yeah, nothing that's significant. They do these big budget movies, and they put them on and treat them like these big events, Disney Plus has that kind of resources, and they do shows. And it's like,

why isn't there a exclusive Star Wars movie, an exclusive Marvel movie? You do exclusively for Disney Plus, and that's your only thing. If you're going to, and you're not losing the money, putting all the money in the marketing towards the, you know,

the theater stuff and then paying out the theaters and doing all that. And you can take the Netflix model and make, make one, not saying do it for everything, but do an exclusive movie and stop doing the shows. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, Jios Ramer. May the force be with you, Christianella.

Where do you think the box office will be next year in regards to Star Wars? Well, I think Mandelaary and Grogu will do okay because it'll be the first Star Wars movie, but you can't really look at that one as like the first one back because it's not. It's just essentially just like the Moana experiment. You know, it's like, hey, we were, we had the new season of Mandalorian, but we don't want to put it on the streaming. We want to make it a movie. So we're going to put in theaters instead.

So I don't know where the box. I think it'll do. I think it'll do okay. I think it'll do okay. But isn't that a situation of homework as well? I've got to watch three seasons. Yeah, I've got to watch a show, probably two seasons of Assoco by the time. Yeah, maybe.

So maybe. No, no, it's a great point. Maybe people who ever, but the only thing that what they have and the reason why, as much as I hate the stupid title, putting Grogu in the title and showing a picture of Baby Yoda in every damn picture, that's how you get people into the theater. 100%. Yeah, that, like, you know, in wrestling terms, John,

Grogu got over with the mainstream audience. My girlfriend who watches nothing, or my life partner, sorry, I got to say that my life partner would watch nothing of Star Wars. She watched Mandelorna because of Brogu and no other reason. Right. Parker holler Trends don't last forever MCU keeps following the same beats

same style people are used to even if it's good you can't argue it's more of the same I don't disagree with that it is a lot of it's very formulae it's even Shangchi which I liked the first two I was like oh this is different it's like a kind of martial art start to it and by time you get to the end I'm like it's just the regular Marvel movie

it kind of lost its luster for me at the end a lot of these movies they feel they feel the same there's not a lot of the difference to him Let me tell you about a franchise called Jurassic World and Jurassic It's true. That's true. Good point. The exact same thing every effing movie. Yes, but again, I don't disagree.

But the difference is, again, as we brought up earlier, there's a new Marvel movie every six months. Yeah, yeah, yeah. New Jurassic World, every two or three years. So if you do it every two or three years, like, all right, it's the same old crap. I keep getting fooled, but whatever, dinosaurs. I don't think Thunderbolts is the same as Fantastic Four

or the same as Captain America. A little bit more different. Man, that's why I liked it. That wasn't as formulaic. I agree. 74 so far, John, as we're 132. Hour and 32 minutes said, Thenora Ravindra.

We need to study Gen Z and early Gen Alpha. Gen Z IPs like Lilo and Stitch, K-pop demon hunters, and Minecrafts all thriving, while IPs from the 1900s are increasingly rejected by this demographic. I agree. I agree. And even today, I sent you that picture, They're announcing Eddie Murphy and Donald Glover.

Reddoing Sanford and Son for Peacock. And that's like, what are you doing, man? Like, who is this for? Who is it for? Well, if it's for streaming, that's where they're going to be streaming. So, again. Right. Because look at, so here's, here's the thing to push back against Thunora a little bit, right?

The IP from the 1900s is Happy Gilmore, too. I don't care what you think about the movie. That's true. It crushed. Yeah, it crushed. Crushed because it, that's, because the old farts like us are watching on streaming. It's if you're trying to hit,

and look, naked gun is, is one from the, also from the, also doing well. So, so maybe I'm not as agreeable as I was when I initially read that. But I do think the ones that are really pushing,

um, and hitting like massive numbers like a, Tokyo, I keep saying Tokyo pop because it's from that, because you remember Tokyo Pop? Of course. But no, K-pop, demon hunters.

And Minecraft, they are, specific for that generation and that is like their thing. But I still think there are IPs. The Cobra Kai is another one that didn't very well. So I'll push back against that. But I do think that they should develop stuff for this generation also. Obviously, it's worth.

R.C. I love Ryan Coogler, but he made a huge mistake not recasting Tachala. For the franchise and the MCU as a whole, if the Chala is not in Black Panther 3, I fear the franchise will suffer from damage, won't be able to overcome. I do think he's going to be in it, by the way. Yeah, I think they're definitely setting that up for what, through Doomsday or Strange New or whatever it is the third one. Yeah, Super Wars rather.

Yeah. If you look at the box office for Wakanda forever, it's like, yeah, $860 million. And Black Panther, I think, what, did a billion or a little more than? And so you look at the situation. So yes, you can say they were damaged a little bit because, but I mean, think about this again and people have to look at this in in context he had to rewrite the script three times right he did not know that uh chadwick was dying of cancer and that was a huge blow then again covid then letitia wright situation they had to adjust to all of that and then you have figy coming in

going hey you better shove in all this stuff with valentina and all this stuff and we got to launch iron heart so you need to shove her in this so that's wow no i'll give me i'll give you the first one the iron heart Ironheart was was he wanted to produce it he wanted he wanted to put her in there well fine fair oh fair point I'm sorry yes good point yeah so he wanted to put but anyway there was a responsibility to put her in the film yeah yes good point he produced it but there was all this stuff so we were serving in essence serving a lot of masters in that particular movie and they did want to recast tachale immediately because people were still very sensitive about the loss of Chadwick boseman so in hindsight you say they should have done this but if they had done it and people rejected the movie because you

were trying to move on too quickly from them, then you would have been like, you know what? They never should have cashed which other should have waited. So you can't win. It's damned if you do, damned if you don't in that kind of a situation. And they went with the idea of honoring Chadwick and his sacrifice and his death rather than recasting him quickly, you know. Yep. Timson.

All I can say is this. If Doomsday and Secret Wars aren't true successes, Disney needs to put the MCO on a multi-hear hiatus, shape it for just the X-Men and focus on getting Star Wars on track, I don't disagree with them, though. If Doomsday and Secret. The way they'll do everything. If Doomsday and Secret Wars, if they bomb, if those or even, even break even, if those two, with the amount of money and they're going to have to break even with the amount of money they're spending on those movies, I kind of agree with them.

I think that you got to say, look, we'll do X-Men. Give it two or three years. Like, let's not just put it out right away because people are not caring about these movies right now. And also, I'd be paying attention to the landscape and see what D.C. is doing. and seeing if people are responding and see what the next I want to the next what do you to me I think it's spider man I think spider man is the next big massive huge success movie I think spider man will be that one well we'll see I mean again it's not john Watts coming back and I think that I'm gonna honor honorner and

spider man together fighting the Hulk come on yeah yeah where have I heard that uh but yeah the holly reporter yeah exactly yeah I mean the thing is that yes I think you know it'll be I think I hope how about this I hope it'll be great because as you said you have your criticisms of shang chi that deston daniel crittin directed that one so this is going to be interesting if his style works for this spider-man story that they're trying to tell uh in this and by the way this isn't this isn't one of the best runs of spider-man that they're using but it was one of the most interesting and complex run so it'll be fascinating to see how they make it work okay but if if doomsday and them are not true successes i don't there's no way they're going to multi-year hiatus because what that means is pushing x-men out

and there are actors they're going to introduce to be X-Men in Deems Day and in Secret Wars, and are those actors going to be available to do that three years or four years? Are they even still going to be hot in three to four years that you would want them? So there's real world issues with trying to make that kind of a decision. This is my good buddy. Tack Peter, who's become a really good friend. He's on the down-the-earth channel with me a lot, and he's a great dude. So if you don't follow a tech, Peter, you should.

These movies need to have universal themes. Superheroes aren't novel anymore, so they need to be universally aspirational and backed by great writing. Yeah. You just described Superman and Fantastic Four. I don't understand. I mean, you know, but...

Aspirational. Superman was aspirational. Yes, I'll give you that. So it's fantastic for us. I save an entire... I think Superman had good writing. I think James Gunn. Oh, okay.

Fairmore. I think James Gunn's a great writer. I think Superman was good writer. I don't think it was one. of his best. Okay, fair. There's a lot of goofy shit going on in that movie. Um, okay, Tim Sim. All I could, oh, he did that one already. Sorry, sorry, but thank you to attack Peter. Thank you, he should be back on, uh, down to earth pretty soon. We're doing, um, we're going to do some stuff soon. We're just trying to, scheduling wise. You both kind of nuts. Um, okay, so far, 82, John.

82, nice. Screw face, John. John, they're not going to be consistent. Have you ever asked someone how to make something unwoke when they complain about woke? Because the answer is usually just making the movie less diverse. Yes. Which is true is usually what the answer is. And that's not, that's not, that's not how you do it. That's why most anti-woke people are absolutely ridiculous with their logic and their reasonings and they shift goalposts all the time because it's all agrift.

It's all aggrift. You know what people don't like. You know what people don't understand though. What's that? People don't understand that like you are pretty much under the same idea as I am when comes to like don't force it down our throat yes 100% yeah I called out America Chavez and multiverse of Maddis that was such a stupid inclusion of a great a Latina character because they shoved her into that movie she had no business being in that movie yeah when I ask

representation representation in a way that makes sense that's organic to the yeah I have a question sure because I found something out but I think that it was already reported so maybe this is a scoop up um do we know who who Sadie Sink is? I hear from people, and I heard from a source of mind who's connected to Marvel that it's May Day Park. That's what I've heard. I've heard a guarantee. I've heard a pretty close

to guarantee she's Gwen Stacy. Gwen Stacy? Yeah. That's been the other rumor as well. And people say she might be an alternate universe MJ as well. I've heard a pretty good guarantee that she's yeah. It makes sense. I don't know. Anyone want to pick that up. Go ahead. Give it the Hollywood for her.

She got to make that red hair blonde. She got to make that red hair blonde. Yeah, we said it here in Hollywood Reporter tickets. Bobby Jackson, I understand that the studio can fail their movie with bad marketing. But if the movie is good, how come word of mouth, rotten tennis critics and audience scores don't ever come to bad marketing. So that's what Tim said before. Streaming.

It's people know. I've heard that. I can't tell you at times I heard that. Oh, it's good? I don't know if I'm going to go to the theaters. I've been in the theaters in a while. I'll check it out, though, when it comes out on Disney Plus. I'll check it out.

Like my friend, my friend James, his last movie they had gone to before Deadpool and Wolverine was like three years. The last movie he's seen since, Deadpool and Wolverine. Yeah. He watches everything at home. Yeah.

Sometimes it just doesn't grow, no matter how much people tell you to go do something, it doesn't grab you. Yeah, it doesn't matter. I don't want to, yeah. And I'm telling you, I think the other person made a great point.

It's not fun to go to the movies anymore, especially in a bunch with a lot of people with, with the phones lit up. up and the talking and I don't do I can't tell you last time I did it I don't do it I only go to press screenings again this is why it's okay to question moviegoers because they are uh at they are ruining the experience as well you know uh this is a question for both of us Zach mine talks movies we react to the Shelby Oaks trailer looks good I'll tell you if I have enough time today because I have to I've got to get on a train I might do it if not I just want to get Chris on

to talk about it in general yeah I might be yeah yeah yeah yeah Matt Thomas. That's not Matt. Here's what I've noticed. People are going back to Superman because of how they feel after they haven't heard the same Fantastic Four. That's true also. Based on talking to GA friends, general audience friends, I agree with that too. I've heard more about that.

It seems like a more fun movie to watch again than Fantastic Four does. And I like Fantastic Four better, but I do, I agree with that. Yeah. Yeah, I think so, too. I think Superman is a more fun movie. I'm not going to disagree with that. And so, but, you know, you were hoping, but again, we're only in the second weekend. We'll see what happens next weekend and the weekend after, but it doesn't look good.

But, you know, we'll see. Nathan Drake, after Fantastic Four, I'm more excited about the MCU future than D.C., really. Didn't love Superman. I'm getting worried about Gun's vision going forward. Yeah, but the difference is Gun, like, let's see, like, who's directing and stuff, you know, like, let's see besides just gun, gun directing. Well, a lot of, I mean, and what you're echoing, Nathan, is what a lot of critics internationally felt about Superman.

They didn't like the movie. They didn't think it was like good. It was foolish, silly. And so that's going to be interesting to see how the DC films under James Gunn do internationally. If the same kind of feeling is around them as they had around Superman. And I'll tell you this, Christian. DC has, and heavy spoilers pointed this out. So shout out to him.

But DC following up Superman, right now, there is a vacuum right now with F4, Stombed. the way it is. If they were coming out with Batman in December or, you know, and then Wonder Woman in July of next year, they have them by the balls. They would have Marvel by the balls now, but they're following up a suit, which I'm excited for, but it's not going to do better than Superman. Which one? And Clayface is going to be even less. Right. Yeah, but, well, Clayface is a different animal. Because Clayface is actually going under the thing that I'm talking about. How much Clayface costs? $20 million to make? $30 million?

dollars. So that that's Marvel never does that. Marvel never does smaller movies. And like I love that D.C. is trying to do that. They go that that expands and makes their brand different. That's fair. But it's not going to make a lot of money. Well, in what standard? It's not going to make $800 million. Right. But if it makes $100 million or $200 million or $200 million, that's a $200 million, that's a too big of a number. But if it does, like even it makes like $80 million or $90 million or a $20 million, it's a win. It's a huge. 100% 100% but i'm saying it's not it's not it's no it's not like next level but it's but it's again it's it's it's it's doing things differently nate bulwere hey guys over under 50% that the new james bond will be a period piece i'm hoping it does go back especially after seeing f4 i would love for them to put it in the 60s i don't think they'd be able to do it because of how upset people would get at things but i i would love to see them put it in the 60s i mean listen you mentioned f4 and the film is not doing well in the second weekend so do you want to go back to the 1960s?

I don't know, man. I would love it. I agree with Christian, but again, what Christian said earlier, we're a couple old farts. We love going back to the 60s with this stuff. Do the young people do it? Love going back to the 60s. I don't know. I don't know. Chuds. Hollywood's woke.

Also, Chudds, Sydney, Sweetie is great genes. The same crowd at New Madame Webb last year. Yeah, it's like, I've said, we talked about the Sydney Swinney thing last week. My thing is, I think American Eagle, like they should have been a little more aware what you're doing but like overall i think people blew that thing out of proportion blew it out of proportion well i mean there's a way to look at it and factor in all the the things which is the owners of american eagle are very in bed with trump and so they knew

what they were doing this is their kind of like the wink and nod that they've been blueprint that mag has been following for quite some time they knew exactly what they were saying and they knew how they were going to spark conversation and upset progressives and liberals and whatever but i also think their right is making way too big of a deal of it because the liberal there aren't really that not a lot of liberals are really going crazy about that i see and but they're we jump from the fact that the people that were yeah it made that a bit anything else they politicized that everything is politicized everything it's political everything it's oh uh Nathan Drake does roca the Sweeney soap no I'm not like that I don't how can I ask you said Kalanowski said that he doesn't it was a lather his balls with it is what

he said no i don't uh you know she's cool at all but i don't have she doesn't appeal to me the way he does stuff he i should me either not yeah yeah there's no julie roberts evil john madden when are you guys gonna when are you gonna have your hot friend watch the ring sam's gonna watch it soon man you should also show her black dynamite and outlaw johnny black both black's platation movies yeah i'm sure there's some of those we have such a list sam has been people keep asking they just Tina's been stepping up Tina was able to do um a few movies because Sam's been out of commission she's been sick she's getting better now we're trying to get it I'm I'm pushing Agatha right now and we're just going we're doing Captain America brave new world and

we're doing um thunderbolts those are the next two we're going to do because that's what we're at we're going to be closed up by the time we get to um August 9th then we'll finish agatha and then we'll get into Lord of the Rings um okay Chris Fields I do think Pedro Piscalls out of favor with the general public due to politics, regardless of personal opinion. I know Roker's going to disagree, but look at the numbers. It is part of it, as other factors mentioned. Also a good point. I always say this, John, I always say this in general with sometimes when you are that

big of a star, you know, in general, you got to be careful sometimes you're going to alienate your audience. I know someone in general that was saying, hey, I don't know if I want to see Fantastic for it. I don't really align with Pedro Viscout. I think he's an idiot and this, this and this and this. I'm like, oh, okay, you know, I'm sorry you feel that way, but like, I'm going or checking out. I try to separate politics

in general from what people are saying if I want to see the movie, but not everybody does that. James Gunn leaned into the immigrant story, and Superman's doing well. So what are we talking about? If you look at the numbers, Christian just laid out the numbers. Materialists did well. Yeah, Eddington did well, but nobody goes to see RAS. Last of Us.

Last of Us, season two. They took him out, and they took him out, you know, and people were upset because he was removed in the show. So I don't, I think, you're wrong actually with the political side of things with Pedro because he's not, he's got points of views, but I don't think anybody

would have cared if Fantastic Ford caught on and people liked it. So, you know. You know me, I just, I like, I like people in general to keep their politics out of it, at everything, no matter what side they're on. I think it's, it tries me nuts. Trust me nuts. Bobby Jackson.

All over these movies, but all right, good. No, but when it comes, themes and messages are all over these movies. Of course they are. I don't disagree with that. And I think that when you're, when it's relevant to the movie or the 100% yes when we're talking about Oscars and or your movie

in general if you're moving about a particular thing and you're out there talking about it because you're 100 of course things are political all the time Star Wars was political for God's sake the first one but it's like that stuff of course right but I'm saying when you're just tweeting every day and you're doing this thing

and you're making it look you can choose to use your platform however you want to do it however you want to use it but you also have to understand that when you you, what level do you want to be at? If you want to be at the level of where Pedro Pascall is right now, I mean, you guys, he's one of the biggest movie stars out there right now. Right. You are now going to get to that point where you're, it's not a balance anymore. You've got, you've got this and people are going to, because the more you're out there in the spotlight's on you, people go, oh, what does that person say?

But does that apply also when you have Joe Esther House coming out here going, well, I'm going to do an anti-woke basic instinct or of course, but Joe Esther House ain't no Pedro Piscopal. all these days. We're going to see, we're going to hear stars start talking and saying, well, this is not an anti-woke movie. So I hope the same energy again is going to be applied to that. I think it did, though, because look at Zach Levi. Zach Levi is very much on that side of things and is very much talking about the anti-awoke

said. And he has, he is now that that side supports him. The other side doesn't. And like, so, like, when you get, when you get too much this way, it you got I'm always and people can disagree me it's fine disagree with me it's fine I feel that when you're at that level yeah I think you can have opinions and you should but to go this way that way I you know me I hate talking politics on this show I hate it

yeah it does nobody any we're ready everybody's at each other's throats every day all the time I don't like it I don't enjoy it I don't enjoy people talking about it I and I tell it many times over and I'll say it on here too I hate both sides I can't stand it I'm like, oh, he's conservative. Oh, he's a little woke liberal. I am neither, motherfuckers. I can't stand to both of them. I don't think either one of them cares about you at all.

They don't give a shit about you. You can go out with any flag that you want. Anything that you want to do, you can say, oh, I'm so, look at me how progressive I am. They love me. They don't give a fuck about you. Hey, look at me. Yeah, yeah, look at. Oh, Maca, bag, bag, back.

They don't say fucking go shit in your face if it's going to benefit them. The left, the right. They don't give a shit about you and you'll tear the throat out of the opposite person on your team because you think that that's what they want you to do. They don't give a fuck about you. They don't care about you. So live your life for you. Live it for you. Enjoy yourself.

Enjoy the things you're like. Don't go on Twitter saying, oh, it's not worth it. It's not worth it. You won't listen to me. You'll tell me, yeah, you're right.

Yeah, tomorrow I'll be a fucking right wing lunatic the day after that. I'll be a left wing shill. So whatever. Just it's, it's incredibly moronic. I'm done. All right. Next. Bobby Jackson.

I agree with John about the digital being an issue, but also ticket prices. It's expensive taking a family. So they know it'll be out in digital for too long. Yeah, I use wicked art as an example for that all the time. He talks about it all the time. They have like one movie that they choose. Right. Parker Haller.

The last time DC had the biggest comic book movie the year was 2008 crazy it'll happen this year again yeah that's true yeah they're gonna they're they're gonna take it this year that's kind of crazy huh yeah um yeah that's yeah exactly yeah but that film is not on the level of super no giant squid are you planning to cover review zombie con volume one what's that you think marvel ever do a live action marvel zombies thank you no uh no they won't and is marvel zombie con volume is that the marvel zombies that they did you do you think marvels that they I don't know. I have no interest in that show. Hey, man, I got to use a restroom. Can I come back in the community?

Sure. If there's anything particular to you, I'll let you know. All right. Uh, next one here's Mike's movies madness. Not really into DVD, but AAA showing up to this White House is not a good look. John's going to miss that he, uh, isn't bummed to you missed that one. Um, yeah, I don't know, but isn't he doing it for like a fitness thing, though? Isn't it just like, I don't know the extent of it. I guess I asked John when he comes back, But isn't it just like to get the youth into fitness? So that's where that's where I don't know. I don't know enough about it. Like if it's one of these things where it's like,

hey, I'm going to be part of this program. Who cares who the president is if it's benefiting the youth? But again, I don't, I don't know. I don't know who, what it is. You guys can tell me. And I'll ask John when he gets back. Reggie Brown, 35 years, five movies.

So I think it's to say, Fantastic Four was never a big enough franchise. that'll get you no more around 500 million box office maybe maybe so um but it's also um i don't know i just i just think that people are just so worn down by it i really do i think people are worn down by it unfortunately um so after this one here is tough luck i still bet the fantastic four will stabilize and recover in the coming weeks like previous july mccu films did after weekend two and break even at 500 million. There's not a lot of competition. There's not a lot of competition out there right now.

That is very true. There is not a lot of competition. And it could stabilize if there's nothing else there. So it's possible. Okay. I'll have you done. Two questions for you. First, I don't think it's possible.

I mean, I don't think it's going to happen, but it's possible. The Fantastic Four could stabilize and recover because there's no competition. out there but i just think the people who wanted to see it saw it already but i don't know how you feel about it yeah i mean i think it like a stabilize previous uh break even at 500 great yeah but that's not what marvel wanted so that's still a slap in the face even if it does and i think it will 360 over two weeks uh you know it'll i think it'll get to 500 but it won't be where it needs to be so bobby jackson john with brock returning will you continue watching i've seen some people say that they're done while they're saying they'll be done if vince comes back oh vince

is totally coming back. If Brock is coming back, Vince is coming back right after. Would you stop watching? No, you wouldn't stop watching. I don't think I'd stop watching the premium live events, but I should, but I probably would stop watching the thing. But the thing is, when I watch, I criticize. So just so we're clear, so I'm honoring my legitimate points of view while also respecting and enjoying the work of these people in the ring, because not all of these people, regardless of what you believe, are people who align with the decisions of the company. Even Ria tweeted out,

although she was maybe tweeting about her record, she said, I really hate SummerSlam. So we know Ria is not a big, a big Brock Lesnar fan. Tough luck. Movies need 2.5 budget to break even rule of thumb. Two times five, not two times five.

We have been in the business. Christian for well over 20 years, me for well over 10 years, or we know this. But it's too, two and a half times the budget is what do you say oh okay i didn't understand what you say uh Darth vaters burnt asshole i don't believe doom's day will break the bank its lead comes from flops fantastic four lax buzz robert engineer is doom isn't exciting fans and fox exman feels like tired nostalgia

avengers isn't a sure thing now i agree i agree as well i agree but it's not a sure thing and you like you know if this movie um would have crushed then i'd say we're in good shape for sure it's panic mode right now baby oh yeah ralph what is the worst film in these you guys filmography scurzeze speleberg fincher copeland nolan tarentino pt oh my god to each one i don't i have to go through a full list man um i i don't i mean i'll i'll just pick one of the ones i mean and i have to go back and see him the movies again, but Spielberg, maybe 1941. That's not even that bad.

Yeah, I have to go through this Fincher. Crystal Skull. Fincher has, I don't think he's had a bad movie. Coppola is probably Alien three count for Fincher. Oh, we're fine. Okay. Right. Copla, maybe Cotton Club. Yeah. No one for me. It's Tenant or,

yeah, I never saw the first. Duncirk, one of the two. Oh, my God, I love them. All right. Jay West. If studios release entire AI movies and theaters, should they consider lowering ticket prices since there's really no labor cost? No, because there's still going to be, well, I mean, who knows?

I can't pretend to answer that question. I don't know how that's going to work in general. Because the deals might be different, the deals that come out of it. Because if I'm like, let's, again, I always use Bruce Wallace as the example. If Bruce Wallace's family decides, hey, you know what, you can use a full AI version

of our dad we sign over likeness and all that right and then they want to get you know bonnie bedelia and everybody else to do a younger kind of diehard movie and they do it and you get all of those people to sign off who's to say that people are going to look yeah you're still going to pay you're still going to pay us what you would have paid my dad to to make the movie you're still going to pay this to that i mean it's still you know people want to be entertained and if and you and they will pay money to be entertained i mean you know me's tickets they are for that wizard of austing in the sphere It's $119 to $240 to see The Wizard of Oz. Wow.

And I would spend it to be honest. I would like them to invite me to go see it and cover it. I'd like to check that out. Evil John Manon, where is the show with Roka and Sarah on together? We'd love to have Roka versus Crazy Sarah. I actually think it would be a very cordial conversation. I agree. I think it would be.

I respect it. It would be fun. It would be a good conversation. Ralph! The original cast of one battle after another was Joaquin Phoenix as Leo's character, and Vigal Morton says Sean Penn's character. I prefer Leo and Sean. I really like that trailer.

Yeah, that's trailer was great. Loved it. I'm excited to see it. Matt Thomas, Shelby O. Triller Drop Reaction. Potentially, I've got to see what time I get out of here today. That double feature. Ralph also says you should watch Once Upon a Time with Sam right before the Cliff Booth movie comes out next year

and then watch with Sam right after. Yeah, we're definitely going to watch that one. We're definitely, I think she'll love that movie. John hates it. We're going to love it. I love a movie up until the end. Josh Needle, the general audience is why generic slop, endless sequels, and remakes thrive, by quality and originality fails.

I don't disagree with that. Broke might not have called them idiots, but I will. The customer is not always right. It is true, though, where it's like, you know, it's the stuff we know. We don't do original stuff,

and they don't see original stuff. It's because they have to be led by the hand to go see it. It's true. I'm not saying it's. I just said question the intelligence. Ralph Roka, what are your thoughts about Coy calling out Jeff on Friday about Spider-Man? The majority of Jeff scoops are true. What is his beef?

I don't know what I say. He basically said as he said that, yeah, you know, every once in a while, Jeff Snyder will be, we'll be right or something like that. I think that was a quote. I can't remember. Coy, don't you start this. Don't start this, bro. Stay in your lane, man. Don't start this.

Because I know things about you. You don't want to. No, no, no, no. No, no. No, and I mean, I don't mean personal things. I mean things with the way he deals with certain studios. So don't even start this nonsense, okay? Leave Jeff.

Keep Jeff's name out of your mouth. You can have an opinion. I don't need my host beefing right now. Shane Adam. I always been. He started and don't say crap about it. He was joking around, but so anyway. I always been saying that Marvel.

If he was joking about it, totally fine. And never mind, forget what I say. But if he was serious about coming for Jeff, that's a different comment. I always have been saying that Marvel can't bounce back after a few good receptions. Hopefully, they lessen the budget for future movies. Feigey has mentioned meeting the team behind the creator to lower expenses. I love that.

And that would be great. Yeah, boy, isn't he going to listen? Take all the meetings in the world you want. Now with Avengers, clearly. Yeah, true. That's a 500 bit. He's easy. Yeah.

Trent Regis, is, our theater's charging as much as they do killing box office numbers. Yes. Two tickets, small popcorn, small soda, and bottle of water with 70. That's insane. Yes, because it's making, choose, between one or the other. You can't do that. You can't do that every week. But again, nothing's in a vacuum, right? It's because rent for these places has gone sky high because of how

it's too damn high. Yeah, exactly. The guy from New York. Because these developers who own the land want to charge sky high rates. So the theaters have to pay their rent. And the way they cover their rent is by increasing the costs on all these things. So that's the game. Busy B. What's up, busy? Hey, Christian Roker. missed most of the lie, but I'll cash on it. Please do. Christian, can't wait for your weapons out of the theater reaction.

Yeah, I got to see, I got to see what time I train is. I got to do these questions to make sure I can make it. Oscar L. We're just putting in a super chat. Thank you, Oscar L. I really appreciate that. Again, 102, John, crushing today. Thank you for you.

It's been a really good job. Dan V 900. Studios today don't understand how to properly budget. June part one at 165 million, part two at 190. Only specific filmmakers get it like Villanoo and Nolan. money is thrown away. Hard to argue with that, especially when you're spending ridiculous amounts money

of first class and other stupid things. Massacre McHale, Bessnaider, Pedro Vescal, ridiculed by X for touching a doorknob. SummerSlam, night three, a money-in-bank ladder match, but the briefcase has yes, Steve Fines. That's good. Tristan Green.

Tiffy Time. Seems like they put the rock on her, and I believe she hasn't even scratched the surface. She said okay. I think we've seen the limits of her over the last few months. She's still somewhat green. So we'll see what happens if she can make the real leap in the next few weeks, a couple of years. Nathan Drake, did Roca hear about Moonnight Season 2? Any word on Moon Night Season 2?

No, I haven't heard anything about that and I would be very surprised if they're doing it. Chris, I want to thank you, Christian. I've been doing TikTok and doing so. I always try to listen and have a conversation to people. You're an inspiration. Thank you. It was very nice. I appreciate that.

Oscar L. Roka, I started re-watching Bayes Transformers since they're running movie theaters. They're pure fun. Really enjoyed them this time around. There you go. See what happens? As people say, when they defend Jurassic Park movies, if you just turn your brain off, you can have a lot of fun and enjoy these movies.

Yeah, yeah, I want to hear you. All right, you know what? Tell me why do you like the movie so much? Oh, I. All right. Matt Sinister, Macal. Best Knighter. Carrying Cross.

just lost and described a poor bro talk to me about your boy triple h came for your boy what did he say what did he say he was in on the post live show of last night yeah you know getting his butt kissed by all the hosts yeah and the crowd that was right behind them started chanting for carrying cross yeah we want cross we want cross and triple h willfully lied and said oh they're saying they want brock don't worry we want brock too we're bringing it we brought it back now So he and carrying cross responded to it. And he said there's only so much you can do. It's time for him to go.

I think so too, man. I love Kevin's a good dude, man. I like Kevin a lot. He's good. His match wasn't that great, but I cheer for that dude. Yeah, he's a good, he's a good guy. I like him a lot. Doug developer, Roka, I know Philo dreams and about time crushes you.

Have you ever seen Click? Those scenes where Adam Sandler's parents get really old devastates me. I have not. Once. I saw it once a long time. I don't remember it that well. It's not the one with walking. I'm giving you a remote.

Maybe. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And Kate Beckinsale, right? Yes, back in sale, right. Yeah, yeah. I should have waited for Fincher to finish Cliff Booth. Aaron Sorkin is nowhere near Fincher as director. I agree here.

I think there's two big mistakes. Do everything you can to get Eisenberg, uh, Eisenberg back and do everything that you can to get Fincher back. And Jesse and I return, why do this movie? It's not, it's not a sequel. It's just another version of, of Zuckerberg doing, you know, years later, but it's not, it's not sequel.

Yeah, not a direction, but it's continuation of what happened. It's based on the Facebook files that Wall Street Journal. But like, yeah, I mean, not getting Jesse back, because Jeremy Strong is a completely different energy, if that's who they signed to do it. It's a more insidious energy that Jeremy brings. And so I don't think he would capture the same kind of energy that Jesse did so well for Zuckerberg. And I agree. Sorkin coming back to directing, not as exciting as Fincher.

Mr. Barnes, I hope people are keeping their expectations in check next year. We can't be expecting Supergo beat Superman's box office, so we'll take time for DC to be back. Agreed. It's also a matter of, but. Jose. What's up, Jose? Guys, honestly, after a Fantastic Force master drop, I think comic movies are in the fatigue phase, with exceptions like Batman, Spider-Man, or team up like Avengers.

It's just not going to gross the same. There can't be exceptions if we're in a fatigue face. No, I just, that's not true. That's not true. That's, he's, that's totally right. right there you can be in a fatigue if people are still going to come see certain there's an exception to like okay wait a minute there's there's like you said before the spoof the the the idea the uh deadpole wolverine thing the gimmick behind it

there's there's things that you can get people in movie stars certain things that you get get people in but the actual consistent success of the comic book movie is in a fatigue i don't think so i think it's quality i think it's quality and look super people are loving the superman movie and are excited about the superman movie And everyone's saying it's re-awoken the DC land. So we can't be in a fatigue if that film is killing it. Fair enough. And Dan V.

An underreported story for the international box office post-COVID is that China is a lost market for superhero films. Venom made 269 million, Aquaman made 291 in China alone, no more. Yeah. It's like it does seem like China doesn't care about it as much. Go, pal, the scene where Shang-chi's dad walked into that club gave me super strong John Wu vibes. That did. Yeah, there was some cool stuff going on in that movie. Nerfee. I think the next two Avengers movies and focusing on the X-Men will put the

MCU back to where it was in the early days. Only if they do it, only if they're quality movies. If they're not quality movies, I don't think it will. True. Joshua Spencer. Have you ever fallen asleep in the theater I did during the first two? Yes, and I almost fell asleep during the Smurfs. The most recent Smurfs. I was, I probably sleep during Twisters. I'm not going to lie for about 10 minutes. Oh, my God. I was like, I was. boring sleepies uh ralph tenant with sam when we do nolan mess her mind up yeah i don't know we got i don't know if that one will pull them much but we'll it's it's a possibility it's possibility tim mac

one one seven super than fantastic four was fantastic okay maybe i can see it marcus m where's the hype for spike lee's highest to lowest i know i my screening is on the 13th in like 11 day or nine days and I'm going crazy yet there's no marketing behind this thing oh it's coming out exactly yeah um all right let's see it's coming out this bump it's coming out this that's crazy jim one mcuh needs to avoid becoming like american idol or simpsons that was going having capture the initial 10 golden years from new generations yeah i know it's like it's only so much it's everything comes to an end yes yeah everything's something hang pimp praise be we continue to run on tiffy time now we can throw out

the waste of space jade once and for all also thoughts on rock and pop party we we talked about that for a bit um so you can go back and check that out would john give a full breakdown on that as far as jade i'm surprised jade didn't win though i'll tell you that i know a lot of people thought but you know they they they protected her as much as possible there were no string of movements it was all big power moves uh and tiff got the victory people john man and john remaking sanford and the sun should make you get sewing your two black guys as junk salesman wow uh no it's more a matter of donald glover having to go down quality wise to do something like that that's really surprising i know eddie i love eddie but eddie's return has not been great so except for the maybe the

bill of the bill's cop film but like that's great either but that too yeah brandon ninja does sony have more leverage with spider man now maybe to do what i mean leverage as far as like i mean And that leverage, they're just going to have the more successful movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Working with Marvel, yeah. Yeah, that's it. I don't know about leverage because like you could all the terrible Spider-Man moves. Right, exactly.

RJ McGrady, Figuey picks safe talent. Shrier for X-Men is safe. If Figey hires creators with real vision of the films would feel less homogenized, more cougars. Yeah, but I think Shrier wasn't as safe for, I mean, what he did with Thunderbolts? I don't know that was safe. Also, Chloe Zhao wasn't. wasn't a safe choice. Bella Flah, it was, or not Belafin.

The two people that did Captain Marvel, those weren't safe choices. Yeah. He does go out there and find independent filmmakers. Yeah. Mark Jason Ali, how pissed off is Matt Sarah about demon hunters? Enjoyed the movie, seen it twice over the weekend. He does a sequel soon. Doesn't he, actually, he wasn't pissed. He just, I told him that, you know, I didn't, I hadn't

seen it at that point. So I was like, let's go check that out. And, you know, he watched it. But he, when I, he's like, that's not, it wasn't for me, but he, he wasn't pissed. Mr. F, Tony Stark was the narrative heart of the MCU. Now it's a collection of stories missing a leading character. Agreed.

There's no, there's no. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I agree with that. Yep. Dan V-900. Supergirl being one week after Toy Story 5, one week before Minions 3 and two weeks before the live action Moana needs to move. Big risk, box office money wise to stay.

Toy Story, different audience, minions, different audience, live action Moana, different audience. I don't know. they're trying to appeal to young people with Supergirl. I think you're 100% correct there. It's dark, dude. It's a darker. The story is a darker story.

It is a darker story, but the way they presented her in that, we'll see. We'll see where the trailer does. Toy Story, six-year-old can see that, or she'll be eight. She's not even six, she's seven. So my toy story, toy story, she can see it. Minions, she can see that. Moana, she can see that. Your six-year-old is watching people get beat up and bloodied, and she can't

She didn't want to. Was Sina passing the torch to Cody, which has been your favorite passing torch moment in wrestling? The Andre and Hogan moment was pretty great. Oh, my God, yes. Yeah. And I would say the rock losing to, I mean, beating Hogan. I thought that was a great passing tour. Well.

Andrew Brown. So Sina is working with alleged sex trafficker. That's what they're saying. And defending one. And what says positive stuff about Vince. Yeah. Let's see. next one after here so so far again we have a couple couple left um are you still good time wise

you still good yeah i'm good i mean i got to finish i got to finish it i got to finish it bobby jackson the fact that no one is talking about the eyes of wakonda dropped on friday show there's too much marvel on a short window why not spread it out yeah that can move that thing came came and went too yeah yeah four episodes and no one's talking about it yeah yeah uh supergirl wears her super outfit the whole time it'll make a billion it gets torn in the right place two billion because she's fit no it won't it'll never make them there's no chance it'll ever make a billion no um Murphy this may be something that is asked often but do you think fire and ash stands a chance at beating doomsday at the box office yes one million percent yeah that that's that

movie's gonna if Jurassic world's untouchable James Cameron is even more untouchable to the tune of billions of dollars yeah that I mean the question is going to make two billion that's the question I think it would be like 1.6 33 you think three I don't we're not betting on it but I mean Yeah, no, I wouldn't, I wouldn't bet on that either. James Cameron, at $3 billion is a very real possibility always. Yeah. All right, let's see. Next one here.

And again, thank you, Murphy. Evil John Maddie, I'm so surprised Roka has been on this show, has been on the show with one of those pink matches. Yeah, he keeps trying. You've been really off today, evil. Not good stuff. Not your best stuff. I don't know if you, you know, you have some problems going on.

but usually you bring funnier stuff to the show. I don't know what that one. I'm going to work harder, my man. Work harder. Tack Peter. And you wish you knew what a ping. And look, you're tech Peter.

Tag Peter rules. He said loves you. Yeah, he's a good guy. Let's see. Julius Wyatt. Left or right. They don't give an F about you.

I love that Darth Farlow finally came out. That was awesome. Well, thank you, Julius. It's true. They don't care about you. I don't agree with him, but they don't.

They don't care about you, John. I think a lot of people on the left do care. It's just, come on. I think Pete Buttigieg cares. I think I think Hakeem Jeffries cares. I think Corey Booker cares. I think a lot of people.

Certain things, but if it came down to the bottom line, I don't think the right cares about you at all. A certain, at a certain thing, certain topic, certain things that they believe in. Sure. But it's the same thing. Like, if there's certain things that can benefit them, no matter what it is, even if their heart's in the right place, they're doing it because, oh, wait, if this, this thing is actually good, would help more people, but this thing will help some people

but it'll elevate me and put me in the spotlight they're always going for that one i challenge you to bring any of them on to your show and interview and i want to see what you think afterwards i really do i challenge you sound you sound like a youtubeers like oh the executives they're all the studios and it's like well have you ever talked i've been around it also and i've been and on my other show on down to earth uh all i do is i cover the topic there and it's all politicians stuff right and it's both sides of like and you know i get the same stupid thing like i don't Even with some, like, there was a thing where Vance had talked about UFOs, right? And generally, he brought it up in general.

And all the video was was about him talking about it, and what, no matter what administration it was, anybody's saying they're looking into it, is that good for the topic? That's what it is. Right. Some idiot in the comment section, you voted for Trump? It's like, in what world did I say anything about voting for anybody? I didn't say in that one world.

All I said is the vice president of the United States. I know. said this and it's like that's the problem it's you're on the yankees you're on the red sucks and it's like it all sucks dick all right andrew i don't disagree with you at the meeting triple h was there at the meeting triple h was there was a sex offender one of that presidential commission okay uh brandon barrett what casting or hiring has been done to fill a quota or whatever i'm genuinely interested in your opinion and tv and keep it good work not getting goaded into that one not doing it sorry brannan not doing it Nate

bulwere dams and injurious as bond tubs or black panther what would you like to see in black panther yeah probably black panther yeah uh Jonathan Rodriguez MCU know they had to change but they changed when it's too late I get Deadpool and Wolverine made one good movie but over a sea of a lot and or bad no more excuses for their failure of their own action just saying what's bad though Thunderbolts was good And the financial force goes. I think he means monetarily. The only bad was Captain America Brave New World.

Yeah, I think monetarily bad. He means. Brandon Barrett, hey, guys, celebrating my birthday. Happy birthday. Christian, I was hoping you could tell us which examples you have. Ken, Ben, the need. Here we go again, social media in regards to diversity hired, having good day. No, I've seen it just too many times over overall conversations.

And I've talked to me, you know what? If you want to go back and look at old archives, we talked about it many times over and many things. And even the one that I use in general, John, was the one you and Jeff talked about. Oh, yeah. And again, I don't know if it's true. Oh, yeah, about casting. About Patrick Biscall, right? And I don't know if you're sure.

Yes. And so basically the rumor was what Jeff had said, that what he'd heard was, that Faggy walked in when they were casting, Reed Richards, and said, we need to cast, we can't cast a white guy for, and I said, if that's true, that's ridiculous. That's ridiculous. You can't just come in and say, that's ridiculous. You can come in and say, hey, we did a bunch of auditions,

and we think Pedro Pescal that we want to go in a different direction. we think Pedro Viscoll would actually be great. It's Petro Viscall. But if you just hired him because you didn't want to hire a wife, that's stupid. But I don't think, I don't even know what that happened. So I'm just saying,

we have situations like that, but there's other things like that, that have been a little, have looked like they've been clear. So that's, yeah. And I don't know, I think you're valid to say that.

And it's totally true. And you can argue that. But like, that was the modus operandi in Hollywood for decades, over a century, we got to get white people in these parts. Don't tell me that the reason white people are majority actors in every one of these classic movies, majority actors like by, bike, by 95 to 5%. It's because they were just better actors than the black actors or two actors.

So that's the thing. So to pick and choose where to be offended, I think it's no, no, no. But I think the difference is that because that was done wrong back then, why do that again? I know the heart's in the right place because you're trying. trying to create more diversity and more inclusion. There's anything wrong with that. No,

how you do it. It matters what you would I create. 100%. Martin Butler, I miss one off movies, Demolition Man, Tango and Cash, those types of studios made such films like that.

People would go back to a theater all around. And no, they'd want to see them on Amazon Prime. That's the thing. And they'd want a sequel and no studio can resist that. Yeah. That's the problem. Julius Wyatt.

Theaters have gotten so bad that I don't want to watch a movie. I only got a 1030, 11 p.m. so I'm the only one in there. I don't want Brock back. There you go. That's a great point. I thought about if I was younger, a 1030, 11 p.m. train. Yeah, boy to avoid everybody. Evil John Madden and love Roka getting butt harder with something Coy said. Snarder's a big boy and he handle himself. He's goading you. He's goading. He's goading. Don't, don't fall for it. You can send all this stuff in, but your life still sucks, buddy. And I'm sorry.

I feel I feel. He loves. John, John Madden loves going on after you. Jimmy Burr's. What else has he got in life? What's a feel? When is the next Marble? reaction when I can get Sam in here, which is hopefully we are going to be doing Captain America Brave New World should be here soon. Ooh. Yeah. Okay.

Andrew, Andrew Brown. Hey. Watch Sia Kamentini versus Nam-Ikano career versus career. It's the best retirement match ever. Okay. I don't know. Yeah. Let's check it out.

Tyler Porter. Any thought of reacting to the OG fantastic former was Sam before the new ones hit streaming? I've thought about it. And I bet Sam will have the biggest positive one. Pitt takes his shirt off and once upon a time. Maybe. Maybe we have so much. I do want to get, and again, this isn't fatigue. It's just I'm, I guess maybe just because of doing it for so long with Sam, I want to get past the superhero movies with her. I want to watch other things. Right now I do, because I want to watch other things with her. Um, because I think she's going to react to a lot of

great stuff. So I love to watch this movie scenes with Tina. Jake, Christian, are you going to check out Jaws and IMAX for its 50th anniversary release? Probably not. Also, can we get the unedited barbarian? There's a full watch. It's already up. I think, I think PLD, or not up, but it's going to be up soon. I saw he edited and put it up. So patrons and members will get the unedited for Barbarian. I'm checking out, Jaws. Yeah. I love that. Okay. Legend

M. M.S.00. Dude, I live in Seattle. So I like early compared to New York Times and also love baseball Mariners and NFL Seahawks. You guys rock. Favorite teams. Yankees, Giants, Nix. Yankees, commanders, Wizards, I guess. Capitals as well. And Liverpool, of course. Season's

about to start. Yeah. Okay. 112. 112. 1.12 so far. All right, let's see. And we're almost coming to an end here, John. Hold on a second. Christian Belk with Vesel, excuse me. Would you react to Chris Stuckman's Shelbyoke? Your fourth person asked so far.

I probably won't have time to do it today because I'm going to, I'm hoping I have enough time to get on a train. Bobby Jackson, are you guys looking forward to John Cresensi coming back to the Quiet Place franchise? Is he coming back? Yes, that's on Friday. You should. Yeah, I'm excited.

Writing and directing it. Yeah, good. I like that. evil john madden all you crazy right wingers and left wingers only cares about who agrees with you if they don't then you know think they think the other side is evil and i don't care you and i are going to disagree with this john john and i don't think i've ever heard myself say this i agree with crazy right wingers left wingers i agree with you the crazy versions of those people yes i agree with you and i can have a conversation in general where like if people want to ask any people ask me

where i am where i stand i say that i'm pretty i'm down the middle yeah you are down the middle. I'm down the middle. That's, that's, that's me. You want to know, people ask where's Christian saying? I'm down the middle. So I can have a conversation with you. Yes. And we can go out and we can not talk politics and be friends. We can have these conversations. We can not see eye to eye on one topic. And then on the next topic, we can see eye to eye on that topic. There's tons of things politically that we don't agree with each other. Then there's something on the next that we do. I wish more people were like that, to be honest with you. I agree. It used to be like that. Yeah, it used to be. Before people got in very.

in creating division and making money. Yeah. Julius Wyatt. College football at the end of the month. Hell yeah. There we go. Let's see. It's right.

This is why he makes me laugh sometimes. I was, Hey, how'd you know my life sucks? I mean, it's pretty good. Your parents? All right, listen. That's it. Oh.

Oh, no, just lying. Johnny Patrizza. Just wanted to say, I hope you're both doing well. Have you guys seen the trailer for the new critical role animated show, Miding Yen? So, I'm so sorry, Lex. That's an old reference. No, I have not seen that trailer. Have you, John?

No, I've not. I don't watch Critical Role stuff. So unfortunately, I don't know much about it. And I still have my so sorry, wreck shirts, the sleep shirt now, but I love it. Brandon Summers, what's up, y'all? Just able to pull up the stream. For no apparent reason, I just want to defend PLD from Roker. You didn't mention him. I didn't mention him.

All right, 116, John, a hell of a day. Thank you. A hell of a day. And I'm so curious of people, like, what that poll said, because this is our, like, John and I talked about. I mean, I'm pretty positive. This is what I'm going to do. So let everybody know just be up front of everybody. I'm going to talk to all of the hosts and see if they can do this regular time.

I am pretty sure Roxy's not going to be able to do it. Does it me, oh, is it mean Roxy's not going to be on the show? No. Tuesdays will probably, if Roxy can't do it, Tuesdays will probably be at 2 o'clock. And Monday, Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday will be at this time. That's probably what we're going to wind up doing if everybody can do it. But actually, Saul says, WWE is not a show about pro wrestling. It's a show about a show about pro wrestling as of now. Yeah.

Unrealist chapter one. This is the new Cape Payne. Yep. You commented on that on my, on my reaction yesterday. Saul and you're 100% right. And you would know you're more inside than me or Christian. Any of these fans who commented because you're still doing it.

So yeah. Okay. So, John, where can they find you, man? Hey, at the Roker says, Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, Blue Sky Threads. I'm all over that. My YouTube channel, YouTube.com slash John Roker says. Might be going live later tonight.

Come and hang out and all bunch of shows this week. I know Chris is going to get to screenings go. Thanks everybody. Have a great Monday. Take care. Love you. Thank you, guys. Thank you to John.

Yeah, this one's going to be a little late on Spotify. I literally going to be running out the door to try to get through the train so I can get to the weapons screening. Thank you guys. We had 117 for Roka today. And then we also, apparently, Luke just told me and texted me and said that 936 votes, 81% people like this new time. So that's good. I just have to talk to everybody else.

See if we can get everybody clear. but I think we're going to be moving to this time. So thank you, everybody. Appreciate you. Apple Podcast, Spotify, anywhere podcasts are found. Bye.