The Kristian Harloff Show - Can Sigourney Weaver help get STAR WARS back on track?

Episode Date: August 28, 2024

In this episode we discuss Star Wars news. Sigourney Weaver the legend behind Ripley from Aliens, Ghostbusters, Avatart and more confirms her role in The Mandalorian and Grogu. Will this movie turn it around for Star Wars? What should change if anything? Star Wars Outlaws is out, Borderlands is already out on digital! Bob Dylan has reshoots and Elizabeth Olsen is back in the MCU but not as Scarlett Witch? This and more on the show with Kristian and Steph! #starwars #movies #alien #mcu #marvel #sigourneyweaver #save  OUR SPONSORS: BILT: Earn points by paying rent right now when you go to http://www.joinbilt.com/BIGTHING THIS EPISODE SPONSORED BY BETTERHELP: Visit http://www.BetterHelp.com/BIGTHING today to get 10% off your first month.

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to the big thing for now. It's me. Christian Harlaw, thanks for joining us on the show. It is myself and the one and only Steph Sabra. Hello, Steph. Hi, I missed you. I know. I know. We haven't done the show in a sec. So you're back. You're back. Yes. I'm back. We're going to have a lot to talk about soon because you're going to have the skeleton crew is like right around the corner.

Right. And we're very curious how that's going to all pan out. You and I haven't really discussed the Ackleic cancellation. We kind of talked about it quite a bit on the channel. But we haven't really discussed it, although I did see it. One of my shorts pop up in my feed and it was me asking you point blank, do you think it's going to get a second. season to which you fastly said no and you were correct. So you see, but what I will ask you is this. I'm sure you've seen in the social media stuff of all the, you know, both the people

who have been dancing on graves and then there's other people who are who are on the other side of it just, I think, in denial of why it really was canceled. What are you, and it was indeed, if you listen to Roker's report, the idea that they were planning on going through to second season and the way that the first season is really gearing up to second season, the story they were telling was canceled. So what do you make of all the stuff that you're seeing out there? It's just like more identity politics misused. People don't even know what they're arguing for anymore. It just is it didn't do well and it's really about the numbers. Like it's almost in Hollywood, never or not about the numbers.

Even if it got a portion of the population viewed it and was wildly offended by it and thought it was the worst thing ever, if it did massive numbers and continued to do massive numbers, it would have gotten a second season. It's exactly right. So it just is not, it didn't do what it needed to do and it's not personal. It's common sense.

It's like it's people think, oh, well, they've catered to the people who hate. No, what, if people, were still hating on it but it was in the top three shows every week they wouldn't give a crap about what people are saying but it's I use you as an example

and I said if Steph if you're not hitting Steph on this show and you are the farthest thing from an angry person who is who's just tweeting this to tweet this you are their target demographic and you're like eh not for me

twins suck so it sucks They weren't good. They weren't good. And they weren't even twins. So I don't even know what to believe in anymore. That's right. They weren't even twins.

They weren't even twins. Anyway, so there is more Star Wars talk and some of the positive is that there was a report. And I believe it was Jeff Snyder. We'll find out in a second here. But talking about the great, the legend, Sigourney Weaver. And she's talking about Mandalorian Grogu. She actually confirms it. She confirms it that we know that she's actually in it now.

And this is a report from comicbook movie.com. Mark Cassidy, who writes sci-fi icon, Sigourney Weaver, has confirmed. She is joining the cast of John Favreau's The Mandalorian Feature, while also weighing in the possibility of returning to the role of Ellen Ripley. Sugorny Weaver is a true legend of the sci-fi genre, having appeared in the likes of Ghostbusters, Avatar, and, of course, the alien movies, which she led as the iconic Ellen Ripley in the first four films prior to the franchise being revived with Ridley Scott's Prometheus.

Weaver also played the villain in Netflix's The Defender's series, but her MCU stint was short-lived when her character was killed off by Elektra. Spoilers! Fans have often wondered if Weaver might take a trip to the galaxy far, far away at some point, and earlier this year, the trades reported she was in talks for a key role in Lucas films The Mandalorian and Grogu. During an interview with deadline, Weaver confirmed that she has signed on for the movie and is set to be shooting very soon.

I'm playing a role in the Mandalorian and Grogu, which is directed by John Favro. I got to meet Grogu for the first time the other day. I'm filming that before I go to London for The Tempest at the end of the year. She didn't share any details on the character, unfortunately, but there are rumors that she could be playing the main villain. The three-time Academy Award nominee

also weighed in on potentially returning as Ripley done a line, and it sounds like she's open to the possibility if the right script comes along. She says, I feel like she's never far from me, but on the other hand, I have yet to read a script that says you've got to do this. So for me, she's in this other dimension, safe from the alien for the time being. I don't really think about it.

But, you know, it's not completely impossible, and certainly a lot of good filmmakers are inspired by the material. How much does the public really need or want another Ripley? I don't really sit around thinking about it, but if it came up, I'd consider it. It has come up a bunch of times, but I'm also busy doing other things. Ripley has earned her rest. The Mandalorian creator John Favreau is set to direct and produce the big screen spin, off with Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy

and chief creative officer Dave Filoni serving as producers. Pedro Pascall is returning as din but the extent of his involvement he might only voice the character is unclear as he is shooting the Fantastic Four. The movie is set to come out May 22nd, 20206.

All right, Steph. You hear this. Obviously who isn't excited that she's going to be in this movie? It adds validity. It adds more. Anytime you hear she's in it, you're like, oh, okay that's especially in the science fiction sci-fi fantasy movie if if she's in it you're like oh that's great that really adds to the cast so what do you think about the comments on what role

do you think she could potentially play i don't know exactly what role she i'm sure it will be some meat along the way and she ends up being like this like action hero of wisdom in some way i don't think she'll be um like a force user yeah i don't think she'll be bad either empire or whatever resistance yeah yeah um so i think she'll end up being a friend and i do even though we're just coming off of acolyte where we were like shown kerry ann moss where and we're like oh my god she's going to be the main character and then she just so wasn't i don't think that the same thing would happen with this team john fabro specifically bringing on scorny weaver i I think that means it's going to be a really big role.

There's no world that John Favre alwayss Sigourney Weaver. Right. There's no world. He, I mean, he's a fanboy of this stuff as much as we are here. So where it's going to be if you get Sigourney Weaver to do a role. Now, playing her as a villain, I think, is an inspired choice. I think that that kind of works is you're expecting her to be a good guy. You're expecting her to be Ripley.

She's been, she's played villains before. She's played bad guys before. So she could certainly pull it off. She's a great actress. having her in that particular role of where it's going to go, what the overall feel of it is, and what her role could play is interesting. I have been saying this.

I do think that, and this might not be for everybody, but I think it's certainly for me and other people. I think that this movie is going to be the closest feeling film to the original trilogy, as far as tone and look and all that, because I think that John Favro is an original trilogy guy. and if you look at the Mandalorian season one and two, those seem the most original trilogy-ish.

And I think that that will happen. And if you have her in it, you do nothing but benefit the film. Yeah, I do think that Favro seems to be in the similar line of what we're seeing with Marvel right now, which is like this like pause. And even though they announced the movie does feel like there's a pause,

Star Wars, where they're kind of assessing what they've made in the past few years, and especially with Disney Plus and what the fandom, what they need for the fandom and what they need to make for us. And I think that, I don't, I think that the movie, I have hopes about the movie. I think it's going to be good. I have hopes for this one. Yeah. But as you were just saying, I think Lucasfilm is in mass chaos right now.

Yeah. I think they're in mass chaos. I think the acolyte did not help that at all. I don't. I think you got skeleton crew where they're just going to. It's almost like what James Gunn and Peter Saffron did with the, you know, in the Flash and Aquaman and Shazam are coming out. They're like, oh, come on, be good, be good.

Make some money, make some money because we've got to move into the next thing and be done with us. I feel like that's what Lucasfilm's got to do now with like Skeleton Crew. They're like, oh, okay, I don't know. We have no plan. We're not sure what's going. I said this on the Monday show and I'm going to stand. by it and say it each and every time. I don't feel right now that Star Wars can move forward with this current regime that's in place at Lucasfilm. I think that in order to really, you've got to

cut the head off of the snake right now. I think that you've got to change the film and TV regime. I think you've got to change it up completely. I think you've just got to gut it. And I think you've got to really find some new people in there. And Iger's got to bring in a whole new production team to run Lucas film in order to get it's just too tainted right now and I don't think they have any idea what they're doing And I think Mandalorian and Grogu is pretty much Kind of a detached film I think that it's it's Fabros film I don't I think you know in this and that's

Even though that's gonna be a benefit to the film I think it's part of the detriment to what's happening It's like they still this director will come in and do this because then another director they don't they still Who knows what the next movie is? I don't think they know Right Yeah, what would you like to see out of if they did clean house and kind of restart? Would it be something like D.C. with Saffron and Gunn and have like two people who are writers and directors and then create a bigger, the newer universe? Or is something different? The answer to that question is simply to how they found Saffron and Gunn.

I don't think that was their plan. find two people to do it and do that, then they met with people and said, this is the direction we want to go in. Find the right people to do it. Find the right people who understand it overall, who are going to put together a plan. If it's two people and one's a creative and a director or whatever it might be and it's going to direct the first movie in a certain aspect and a certain way that they're doing it, sure. But I still think that there's a way if you look at, and I keep using like Kevin Feige as an example where people like, oh, they need like a Kevin Feigey. maybe they can get him and they're not going to get him.

That's not going to happen. And I always say the fact is that you didn't know who Kevin Feigy was before you knew who Kevin Feigy was. He had to build his reputation. So find a new executive. Find a 30 to 50 year old person to go in there and let them bring their own team. Not here's the new executive who's working with the same people and then Faloni's just going to throw his weight around and do all that. You can't do that. You've got to say, okay.

We have this IP that we paid 4.1 or 4.2 billion, whatever it is. It ain't working. Who's our new production team? And the new person says, I want my own people. And you bring in, and everybody's got to. And I think that you put, if Filoni's going to stay, you put him on animation. And you take him off of film and TV. You just got to.

But that's not, this isn't going to happen. I'm just saying that I believe that this is what should happen. I know it's confusing because on, I do completely, empathize with being in the building, you know, in this, the past five years in seeing what Filoni has done and thinking that Faloni is to Star Wars as Feige is to Marvel. But it's just, it isn't the same. No, he's got a good, look. Everyone remember was so excited.

They were like, yeah, make him run it. And then it wasn't, it wasn't the vibe necessarily. He runs the whole thing like animation and you can't. I mean, you look at, you look at, you look at the. some of the scenes in Asoka, things that play, we talked about it, things that play in Asoka, or rather, things that would play if it was animated,

would have played better in certain scenes in Assoca than they did in live action. I keep bringing up like that zombie, the zombie scene, or when Ezra is getting thrown by newly discovering forced Sabine, like that all that stuff could have played better in animation, but it played off campy and

kind of kooky in the live action stuff. He's not a great writer. And I think he holds so true to the George Lucas thing, the good and the bad, that it's the same problems that I think that the prequels ran into. There's a lot of great stuff in the prequels. But there's also, Star Wars has the opportunity with how rich it is to be a Game of Thrones type level show. Not that dark and not that, but as critically acclaimed and as invested, it can get there. but not with the team that's running it. Right.

At least Stranger Things. Yes. Yeah. Again, well-written show. Because it can get semi-dark, and it does. Stranger Things does, but I do think it toes the line really well, where if you're a kid, you can watch it and think you're, like, doing something a little naughty watching it because it's just on the line.

Season four is tough. It's scary. Yeah, it is scary, but I would say, like, a 13, 14-year-old. My 12-year-old watches it, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but yes, but you're right. And it's like, now look, are they going to go that adult with Star Wars? Because it is still bread and butter type stuff.

Look, I just read a story yesterday that I thought was so stupid, but I understand where the rationale comes in. And this is the business side of it. So reading stories about like James Bond, the new Bond. And one of the reasons, a lot of the fans wanted to go back to like the 1950s, 1960s, and do that kind of period piece bond, which sounds great, sounds so much fun to do. but one of the main reasons they don't want to do it is because they can't put new cars in it and that pays for budgeting

and it's like that's the kind of decisions that these studios make because they'll sacrifice story because well no we can't because we don't we can't put it in we need to put more sponsors in there and do that and look I understand and I get sponsors I get having to pay your bills I get it but it's still that same conversation of what comes first

the quality, you know, or just trying to make money. And I think the quality, if you do it right, will get you that money. Yeah, and I agree completely. And I do think that you can be creative whilst making something creative. And there are products that were created in the 1950s and brands that are still popular today. I don't see, I feel like there still could be a, like a match money-wise if you have like an old-school. Coca-Cola in it. Yeah.

It's like people would probably buy Coke now because it's the same thing. There's ways around it for sure. Yeah. But when you go, you know, the origin of what we're talking about here with Sigourney Weaver joining the Madeleon and Grogu and that movie

it's, as I have mentioned a few times, to me it's very similar to what's happening with Marvel, right? Deadpool and Wolverine, you knew it was going to be it. You know it was going to be it. Um, Mandolin and Grogu, even though I hate the title, name, I understand the title name, but I hate it, it is called that to get people into the theater

because they know that, as they will say, the average person will say, baby Yoda is in it. That's what people are going to say, Baby Yoda is in it. And the people who don't understand that his name's Groger, they're going to go, baby Yoda's in it. I'm going to see that movie with Baby Yoda, and it's going to do well. And kids are going to see it's going to come out during the summertime. It's going to do well. And especially if Favro pulls it off, he's a good director, and it's a really good film. Oh, Star Wars is back. You're going to hear everybody saying it. But then, in the same way Deadpool-Mulverine delivered, how was Captain America Brave New World going to do? How was the next movie after Mandelorian and Grogu going to do? And what the hell is that movie? What is it?

No idea. No idea. And it's like, do you go, do you go, because you haven't, it's telling that at D-23, they show that movie or the clip of Mandolinian and Grogu, and in the same year, a second movie is supposed to come out, yet they don't mention Ray. They brought her out last year, whatever, they don't mention her,

they don't mention the director, nothing for December of 2026. That's telling to me. I don't think, I don't think that movie's happening in, you don't? I think it's happening. I just don't think it's happening

in that, in that spot. Okay. Well, Roka on Monday said this. Roka said that he is, and Snyder are pretty convinced that Kathleen Kennedy is going to leave after Mandalorian and Grogu because as we've mentioned in the past, you know, you get that hit, you walk off the court.

But how many times, Steph, have you and I had that conversation? 50 at least. Right, right. Right. It's like, yeah. Yeah. So, you know, does she stick around? I mean, I think it would behoove her to say,

I don't understand why she'd want to do this anymore. I know. You know what I mean? Like she doesn't love it and she can't love constantly being blamed for everything. Right. And I'm sure she, you know, she's obviously extremely intelligent. She has to have not only like I don't think she's losing much by walking away now. It's not like she doesn't have many investments in Lucasfilm that will continue to be like helpful for her just money wise.

And then she still is Kaplan Kennedy. She can go do other things too. Of course, but that's why I think the strategy for her makes sense to stick around for Mandolinian Grogu. Because as we mentioned, it is the closest thing to a sure shot to make money that they have right now. It's the closest thing. So if you're her and you can then say whatever it is going to Netflix or Amazon or going anywhere and saying, well, guess what I'm going to do? Guess what I've done? Yeah, sure, we didn't put a movie out since 2019.

But I had Obi-1 that got nominated for awards on streaming. I had Andor got nominated for streaming, for Emmy Awards also. And then guess what I did for movies? Rogue one, a billion dollars. Episode one, oh, excuse me, episode seven, billion dollars, eight billion dollars, nine, a billion dollars. Rogue one, a billion dollars. And Mandler and Grogo, a billion dollars. You do that.

And even if they said, well, wait a minute, what about Solo and Indiana Jones? Yeah, I had two misses in all that. However, if you then say, well, I'm going to stick around one more times. It's like a gambler that keeps going back to Vegas. He goes, well, I just want another billion. I'm going to go and I'm going to try it again. And then you go and you put the Ray movie out or another movie that doesn't work. And then you've got to, and then you're back to where you were.

And it's like, oh, well, that one didn't do well. I got to stick around in this job, this thankless job to where I'm just getting bombarded on Twitter every five minutes. Just to end on a good no. Right, right. And it's like, end now. Do it hit Mandelorian and Grogo, walk off. off the court. That's what I think. And I think, as I said, I think that for it, for, and maybe, maybe what I'm saying actually happens. Maybe, maybe Iger goes, okay, look, after Kathleen

leaves, I'm bringing in a whole new team. Just don't promote within. Don't do that. They've people in it, don't, I, I've said it and you, I know how much of a visions fan you are, and video game fan of books, leave that team as they are. Leave them. They're doing fine. There's everything that they're putting out, the books, the animation, All that stuff, leave them. They know what they're doing. TV and film, let's find new people. Yeah, at least the heads of the departments, I think.

Yeah. Just shake it up a bit. The main people who are making the decisions about creative, about what, well, which directors are getting hired, which actors are getting hired, who, who were, what stories we're telling, that team needs to change. It just needs to change. Right, because it's been, it's not just one or two projects.

It's, even though there have been good projects, it's the overall consensus of Disney, the merge, but in everything post the original trilogy, hasn't been widely loved with a higher accuracy than it is the things that people don't like. But it's the thing that I've always mentioned, like when you see it on a tweet and they don't know what they're doing. And it's like, they might not know what they're doing as far as hiring the right people to run it.

That I might agree with you. but you can't say that they don't have Disney will never let Star Wars be good well then why did they let the last Alien Romulus be good that was a good movie that's that's Disney no one says like oh Disney did a great job they say Fed Alvarez did a great job that's whatever nobody gives Disney to credit for

when the movies are good they never give Disney to credit ever yeah they never like a Deadpool and Wolverine oh Sean Levy no one says Disney did it Disney made it happen nobody says that but if but if it stinks they all say oh Disney ruined it you got to point the finger at the people that are making the decisions. And it's like, and yes, everybody always says Kathleen Kennedy. She's not the only person.

There's other people that are working with her and there's other people there. Flonie's been head of creative a lot longer than we've been talking about. He's, you know, the announcement came out, but he's been in there for a long time. He's not doing it. It's not working. It's not working. Yeah. And so we'll see.

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All right, this is this outlaws show, this outlaws game stuff, here it is. I talked about this briefly yesterday. The Star Wars Outlaws reviews are in, and it seems to be mixed, but mostly positive, mostly positive, just saying that it looks, it looks solid. There's some stuff with the gameplay that's a little repetitive and it's, it's, the story's okay. And as other people say, stories really, really fun, really good. I haven't heard a lot about it so far from anybody that I know.

As I mentioned yesterday's stuff, I think that for me, as we've been discussing, I don't, what I'm not going to ever do is if I want to find out of a Star Wars property is good, there's certain places that I know that if I go and I follow somebody's thread, I can guess and say, well, I guarantee you they haven't even played it. They hate it. Right. And then I can go to this over here and go, I bet you they haven't played it yet, but they love it. Right. And it's like, I don't want to hear from either one of those people. I don't care about their opinion. The people that haven't played and said, like, oh, I hope it's good. But if it stinks, I'm going to let you know it stinks. If it's great, I'm going to tell you it's great. Those are the people that I want to hear from. There are some people that I have, I respect very much that do that. And those are the people I'm going to be looking for. Totally. Yeah, I think that I equally, well, I wouldn't say equally. I don't, I like the people who, uh, automatically hate everything less than I do the people who like everything just because of the way my brain works. I'd rather optimism. But I don't like necessarily respect either of the opinions. And that's on the same level. Right. Right. Because it's just like, it's just like, it's just. predictable it's like yeah I just want to know yeah I mean it's just predictable it's like let me guess

I've done this I've had this conversation with like Mike and I'll tweet I'll text Mike I'll go without looking let me guess that person loved it and then I looked they loved it and then and then I look at something else and then I see it and I'm like that was not very good I'm like I don't know what they're watching I respect the opinion but I knew that we're going to love it because they love everything and then in the same way that I'm like okay yeah I'm going to take your opinion serious let me guess You hated it because, oh, here we go. It's the Disney machine. You hate it.

And they hate it. So you can't. There's only, you know, and then each of those people have their audiences that they talk to that listen. And good for them. But I need to figure out by either playing it or hearing from people on, you know, in that middle that are going to say, look, this thing's worth getting. I'm just not excited for this game. but like I said if I hear from people that I

respect their opinions then maybe I'll check it out are you going to get this game yeah it's so different with games because it's not like shows and movies I will watch it before I look at the review but video games differ because you're paying for it so you really want to buy something that you think you might like

I think that I know Harry really wants to play it so we'll get it okay well I'll listen to you of us who are going to try the game yeah I'll listen to you you. And we love Fall in Order. Right. And well, that's what I said earlier. The people who are making the games have been doing a good job, so maybe it's really good.

Maybe it's, and it took a little while for them to put this thing out. So when are you getting, you're going to get it this Friday when it comes out? Yeah, yeah. We'll probably do it a little weekend game. Text me when you play it after a little bit, let me know if it's worth it. And if it's not, then I'm not going to bother.

Yeah. All right. So there you go. So I ask you guys, what do you think? Are you going to get this game? Do you think it's going to be any good? what say you all right next topic step did you see borderlands no i haven't yet well you say that like you're missing out on something the movie well because it looks cool i sure it does sure but but it's it's not and i like all the actors but i i i just i've heard yeah it's well let me tell you this

it came out it came out in the theater what like two weeks ago right right well it's hitting it's hitting digital this Friday. Yikes. Three weeks after its theatrical release. Three weeks. That's like Madam Webb. I think that it had a I think Madam Webb had a longer run. Lionsgate Borderlands did not

have a successful box office run to put it mildly. And the movie is now set to hit PVOD just three weeks after it hit theaters. Borderlands is coming home less than a month after it was released in theaters. Lionsgate has announced that the star studied of a critically pan video game adaptation will

be available to purchase on premium video on demand and premium electronic sell-through from this Friday, August 30th. We didn't expect the movie to stay in theaters for too much longer after a disastrous stint at the box office. It grossed just over 24 million with an estimated $120 million budget. But its home release is happening quite sooner than analysts predicted. It's always a slim chance that the movie will find a new lease on life with digital and Blu-ray, but between the dismal box office returns and the awful reviews, 10%. on Rotten Tomatoes. It's probably,

yeah, it's bad. Probably safe to assume that this franchise is dead in the water. Cape Blanchett, Jamie Lee Curtis, Kevin Hart, Ariana Greenblatt.

I mean, this goes on and on. Jack Black. It's an absolute star-studded cast. And what's this name? Eli Roth hosting, or hosting directing. And,

yeah, It just looks like a real stinker. The big screen take was directed by Eli Roth, developed a Lionsgate based on a script from Chernobyl writer, Craig Mason. I don't know what happened. I don't know. I'm trying to actually organize, because I'm going to start doing the reactions to films,

and I think Borderlands will be one of the ones that we do, and I think I'm going to do it with Matt Sarah. Oh, really? It's going to be hilarious. That's funny. Yeah, I think it was one of those movies that I kept here. hearing there was a ton of but not I didn't hear

necessarily issues but there was a lot of silence and space in between the announcement and then there was it just it felt like it was there wasn't like a cohesive rollout and oftentimes when that happens it means that there's probably some behind the scenes things

happening and that's why is it really for a movie to be great every single piece of it has to show up yeah and it was promoted pretty heavily at like Comic-Con. That's where I saw all the interviews and all that. And I was like, oh, maybe it's going to be pretty good. And then every

review was just between that and the crow. Those are the two movies that were, and that one bombed also. That movie didn't even make. I know. It didn't even make like four point, I think it made like $4.4 million opening weekend. Like that's brutal. That's another one that just in and out like diarrhea. Right.

I know. It's such a bummer because I think that the crow never really had a chance. because of the just the gravity of that the original and how well received it was but also just the entire backstory of it being one of the craziest Hollywood stories ever.

Yeah. And then it just, a lot of people already counted it out and were like, we don't need this. Why would you do that? The movie was great. This doesn't make sense.

And then, yeah, so it just hasn't gotten the, even the initial reception it needed to have a life. Yeah, there's a lot. I think that went wrong with that movie at all. I don't think the director was the right choice either. Did you see it? No, I missed it. I was in Florida. I was with my family and I think I told the story on Monday. I was, I was going to go see it. I was helping my dad out with some stuff. And I was like, you know what? I'll go see it. I'll do it out of the theater reaction. And then my brother was like, hey, moms, let's stay in me in town. You want to get

dinner. I was like, I'd rather do that. So I went to dinner with my With my brother, my sister-in-law, and my mother, and then had a really nice grouper in this place that's like known for the grouper. It was really good, and I don't regret it at all. I'll probably do a movie reaction for that one too, and I'll probably do it with Matt Sarah also with that one. Because we have, I have, like, I sent new people coming in. I got Matt Sarah.

I have my, three of my childhood friends, my friend Samantha, my friend Alexandra, and my friend Tina, who are going to be doing, movie reactions with me and then Sadie's going to do something too. Oh, that's fun. Yeah. So, oh, I got to get you on this discussion. So Roka and I have been beefing on Mondays.

Hell yeah. We've been beef. You know, I love the beef. I know you do. So I'm going to tell you, let me, let's, we got to get your opinion on this stuff. Okay. Hold on a second. So now you're, you're, you're part of this newer generation so I could potentially see you going the Roker round.

All right. I'm going to give you two people. I'm going to give you two people. Okay, you ready? Okay. Seeing what I'm seeing? Oh, that they look alike? Hell no.

In their prime. Florence Pugh and her prime. Julia Roberts in her prime. Rokos has a major crush on Florence Pugh, and you know that basically, I basically married Julia Roberts. Right, you did. Sadie is as close as it gets.

Yeah. Um, okay, this is interesting. They're totally different. 100%. So it's a hard discussion to have. I think Florence Pugh is cooler looking, but I think Julia Roberts is, uh, like a smoke shows what you're looking for. She's a timeless, timeless beauty. And a movie star.

And yes. And Florence Pugh is like, Gen Zee icon. Girl next door. she is brat yeah so nothing but respect for Florence Pugh but right they're completely different

not in the same league not the same league and I can't even I can't even fathom the amount of support Roke has gotten in this conversation that's hysterical I don't think that there's any celebrity

I don't want to say any the celebrities now don't compare not in terms of talent I know what you think. But in terms of just like the way we view them. Star power, yes. It's completely different. Completely different. It's movie star. It's like there are not a lot of movie stars. There are no movie stars really.

Movie start at me is, I think Marga Robbie is probably the closest one that we got right now. Right, right. Margo Robbins is closest. I was in Barnes & Noble and I went to the coffee book section. Yeah. Coffee table book section and they had an insane. massively massive Barbie book. And it's just like 200 pages of Margo Robbie in Barbie looks.

And I just was like, this is the role of a life. For sure. Yeah. She's, she, to me, is movie star. Oh,

yeah. And movie star in the way where she's movie star slash act. She can do that kind of role, but she can also, I mean, I didn't necessarily like Babylon, but I thought she was incredible in that film. Did you see that movie?

I saw the first like 30 minutes and she is she's great in it she's great she is great and it's so fun to watch it just the the story wasn't compelling me and it's one of those that I'll end up watching it's not like it was offensive I just doesn't get better I was I loved

the first half an hour I thought it was so crazy and cuckoo could chew and I was like oh I'm gonna love this movie and then it just goes in a really bizarre direction that I wanted to love more than I did but but yeah I think she's a movie star for sure. There are people that are very talented. The movie starts in me as also, you're like, oh, that person's going to be in a movie, and I'm probably going to check it.

What's it about? I don't care. Everyone will see it because it's so-and-so's in it. And I think that that's what she carries and a lot of, I mean, Will Smith used to carry that back in the day. Tom Cruise used to carry that back in the day, right? The top gun guy. You ever heard of that guy? I like once or twice. So, yeah, but there are other things, other properties that people are going to the theater for, and it's still Marvel, man and we got some Marvel not theater news but TV news. Vision. Now this is another rumor.

The Vision series may see Elizabeth Olson playing a different Marvel character. With it looking increasingly like Elizabeth Olson will join Paul Bettney in Vision, a new rumor said who the actress might play. Marvel Studios, the series is taking shape. So instead of returning a Scarlet Witch in after her the events of Dr. Strange multiverse of madness, there are rumblings that she's going to be playing Virginia Vision instead. Hell that is.

The cosmic circus Alex Perez dropped a few hints and we've also heard this might be the plan. Stands to reason that Vision plans to resurrect his father Ultron explaining James Spader's recently announced return. In terms of Marvel's endgame,

we'd imagine that Scarlet Witch, vision, speed, and Wiccan will eventually reunite on screen. Whether this will happen in time for the next Avengers movie is hard to say, as this epic story could continue in the MCU's next saga. For now, the next chapter is going to play out in Agatha all along. In Tom King's critically acclaimed vision series, a title character created a synthesized family for himself, including his wife, Virginia.

His personality was modeled on the Scarlet Witch's brainwaves, a copy of which Wanda had gifted him years earlier. Combination of his and Virginia's brainwaves was what led to the creation of their twins, Finn and Vivian. When the Grim Reaper attacked, the kids were injured and unhinged. Virginia flew into a rage, beat the villains of death, and then buried him into the back garden. Virginia became increasingly unhunted as a time passed and eventually took her own life.

While elements of this were used in Wanda Vision, it seems like we're going to see Vision attempt to create his family in a series of dark parallel of sorts to Wanda's ex-created sitcom fantasy. Yada, yada, yada. Okay, so the first time I heard this, well, when I saw the headline in this story, I'm like, what is Marvel doing? They're just bringing back all their, you know, famed actors and giving them different roles. This makes sense that it kind of plays into where, you know, okay, yeah, well, she's just a different version of his wife, but kind of looks like her and all that, and that can make sense. The only thing, though, is when I hear this synopsis, and it's good to be all rumor, what's different than what? This just sounds like Vision's version of Wanda Vision.

right right yeah i don't yeah it sounds like a similar i'm worried about their shows in general though i'm gonna watch them but i just think the pitches of each of them i'm a little bit it makes me ask like oh what was the point is this necessary right that seems to be a lot of it and i think a lot of this stuff got greenlit before they kind of had a a re-haul and i think that this is where you have, you know, Agatha, which was greenlit during that time. And I think Agatha is going to serve as a Halloween thing to watch. I don't think it's going to play into the greater MCU. Like Werewolf?

Kind of. By night. But I think Werewolf By Night was supposed to be part of the new monster phase. And I really like Werewolf by night, by the way. Me too. It's really good. But yeah, I think so. Which is kind of like almost like a throwaway now in the same way that I think that this,

throw away when it comes to like holiday you just watch it for the holiday season it's fun to watch but it doesn't continue on the story it just stands by itself and maybe that's what Wanda Vision is going to do are you I forget where you stand with Wanda Vision are you are you hyped for Wanda Vision or do you not really care I really loved Wanda Vision

I'm sorry Agatha is what I meant Agatha I am a little concerned I liked the character Agatha I love the actress I I think that she has a greater story to be told that so I can understand that. But then when we got to the episode in Wanda Vision,

where we were with the witches doing kind of that seance, it didn't look great to me and kind of took me out of it. Like the witch makeup was a little bit. Yeah. It felt like I was at a haunted hayride. A goofy. Yeah. Yeah.

And so thinking about an entire season of that, is I don't know what that will look like, but I do think that there, there is, I have hope for it. Like Aubrey Plaza's in it now, right? Right. Which is like so fun. So if they're going more of that direction

and just kind of digging into that, I could see it working for me. Yeah, I mean, it could be. I also wonder how many episodes it is. I don't really need it. I really don't need it to be more than five episodes. Maybe six. Like if it's longer than,

I'm going to check and see how many episodes, how many episodes is Agatha? Nine episodes. Why? Why does it need to be nine? That's a lot, yeah. At 40 minutes apiece,

which I don't know. I don't, I don't, I mean, look, it's coming out soon. You and I could very well say, look, we watched this thing, and maybe it deserved nine episodes. Maybe it could have done 12. But, oh, no.

Yeah, it would have been cool if it was like four episodes, and then I'm like, oh, okay, it's like a little movie. But that seems, yeah, I don't know. I'm a little bit concerned over that show. It's where the market goes. It's the same thing like, you know, like, I don't know. I still, jumping back to like Acklein, right? Why not just make that four or five episodes of, or an hour-long show?

instead of nine or eight, nine episodes, whatever it was, I think it was eight episodes at 35, 36 minutes apiece. Why? And instead of doing a silly throwaway episode of, let's just do the same episode again, just make short in the episode and make longer episodes. Yeah. I don't understand who's making decisions.

I really just don't. I just don't. And I'm both on all this stuff, on all this stuff. It's crazy. And yeah, it's like they're in this, like, weird place of needing. to just constantly make more and more money. Yeah, and it's like, again, it's a business. That's part of it, but it's, but what are you sacrificing in order to do that?

Mm-hmm. Last story that I want to bring up. Okay, this was something I saw that I had to bring up. I'm a big Bob Dylan fan. I don't know if you are stuff. I like Bob Dylan. Yeah, Stephen is you're going to be on the match. Got a shot on the head.

What's doing? Hey, now. Mike yelling at the clowns. So, yeah, I'm on a cue. So I think that the Bob Dylan movie, James Mangold directing this thing, this trailers looked fantastic. I'm a little bum, though, stuff.

Why? Well, because they said that there's going to be some reshoots, but not in the typical kind of reshoot fashion, that the reason why is, like, it tested and didn't test too great, and apparently focused too much on his relationship and not enough on the music and that it's that it's too long, it's like 240,

and it's the type of thing, you're like, I really wanted that to be great. And Mangold needs a hit right now. He's coming off Indiana Jones, you know, he needs, and I love Mangold. I want to see Mangold have a hit, and you're going to get, now, I'm getting into theater, see Bob Dylan, I'm there.

But, and I, if it's intriguing enough to spend it with a relationship, I don't care, but if it's dull and it's long, you're going to lose me. But, I, Did you see this trailer and do you care? Timothy Chalemet looks great, by the way. I actually didn't see the trailer. I saw the pictures.

Timothy Chalamey does look really, really good in the role. Yeah. That's always the thing about when you're doing these types of movies, especially with icons. I think it's hard to please everyone. And they either go too hard in relationships or addictions and downfalls. Right. or just the music.

So I wonder what the original script's focus was. And maybe they're having problems with people doing test screenings and disinterested in certain portions. Right. It does seem like the original script, you know, if you believe in these reports, the original script is that it was really focused on the relationship and not the actual, you know, just his rise. fame and all that and I don't know I mean I wonder they my fingers are crossed for it I just read that report and I was like oh okay I just I was I was so hyped on it because that trailer was so good and I and I and I'm not for some reason and I might be wrong but I'm not blaming him for Indiana Jones I'm just you know and maybe it's just because I'm so I have no faith in the in the Lucasfilm regime

that maybe it's that's why I place the blame on them but you guys you guys I've got to give him some of the blame, I'm sure. But I'm rooting for it. I'm rooting for the movie. Yeah, I know that one's hard because, but I, I, I'm not, I'm always rooting for Mingold because he is great. And it's, no one has a perfect record in the industry. So I don't really even care about that.

I think it's so hard when you're doing like a massive budget film. Right. And it's, and it's a franchise. Right. And you're bringing back. A beloved character. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, it's just, there's so many factors in that movie where I'm like, whatever. And it wasn't horrible. It was just way too long. And it had some decisions we didn't agree with money-wise. Yeah. But I, yeah, so I will be curious to see. It'll be fun to see from my perspective because I'm not like such a diehard Bob Dylan fan. So I probably will be easier to please in the story realm of this.

So it's really for the fans, I guess. Well, we'll see. It's coming out. Very curious of what you guys think. Put your comments in there. Do you think this is something to be worried about? Do you care? Do you not care at all?

Let us know. Thanks for joining us here today. I want to thank Steph Sabraff for being on the show. Steph, where can they find you? At the World Girls, we're dropping an IRL today and then doing a Patreon stream after. Perfect. Look, here's the other thing. I've told you guys on both Instagram.

I've told you on this community page. The name of this show will be changing in September. It is no longer going to be called the big thing. It's just going to be simply called the Christian Harloff show. So be on lookout for some new graphics, some, you know, a couple changes here. And they're still going to be going on every day, Monday through Fridays, the show, as you know it. But it is, there's going to have some tweaks. A couple more announcements that are going to be coming up pretty soon about that.

We've got the movie reactions coming up pretty soon. I got an out-of-the-the-the-the-the-the-the-election of Beetlejuice coming up next week. So stick with us. We've got a lot coming on. Thanks for Steph for being here. We'll see you later. Mike should be back next week. All right.

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