The Kristian Harloff Show - CAPTAIN AMERICA: BRAVE NEW WORLD Spoiler Discussion LIVE! Box Office Hit or Miss?

Episode Date: February 17, 2025

Captain America: Brave New World is in theaters now and Kristian, Roxy and Rocha have all seen it. We will dive into Sam Wilson's adventure and see if the villain added up. How was the Red Hulk and mo...re. How did the movie do at the box office?! Toxy has TV picks. #marvel #mcu #captainamerica #spoilers  OUR SPONSORS: TRADE COFFEE: Trade is exclusively offering our listeners 40% off your first order at http://www.drinktrade.com/KRISTIAN HELLO FRESH Get up to 10 FREE meals and a free high protein item for life at http://www.HelloFresh.com/HELLOFRESHPODCAST. One item per box with active subscription. Free meals applied as discount on first box, new subscribers only, varies by plan.  ROBINHOOD GOLD: Investing involves risk. Rate subject to change. 3% match requires Robinhood Gold at $5/mo for 1 yr from first match, must keep funds in IRA for 5 years. Go to http://www.robinhood.com/boost  

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Starting point is 00:00:00 What's going on, everybody? This is a spoiler discussion for Captain America, Brave New World. All three of us have seen the movie. We're going to discuss it today. We're also going to talk about the box office. It overperformed from what people thought, despite one of the lowest ranked movies on Rotten Tomatoes. So we'll discuss that.
Starting point is 00:00:24 I think the majority of us are in the same in agreement about the movie itself. There's a couple things. I texted Roxy about that. I don't think we're in agreement about it. So we'll battle it out on the air. But speaking about battling out on the air, we've been building up this Yellowstone conversation forever with Roca and Roxy. I want to see how that pans out today because, yes, they're on the show together.
Starting point is 00:00:46 I'm not supposed to be here. That's right. That's my clerk's thing. I am not supposed to be here. It's supposed to be Roca and Roxy and I'm supposed to be enjoying the Florida weather. That did not happen. So we'll discuss that even as well. Roxy's going to have her TV picks.
Starting point is 00:01:01 So can Roxy win once again, and this time take Roca with her? That's what we're going to find out on the show. It is the Christian Harlow Show Monday. Happy Presidents today, everybody. Let's get into it. I'm cold. Here we go. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to the Christian Harloff show.
Starting point is 00:01:30 I am joined on a Monday, as always. By the outlaw, John Roker. Hello, Roka. Oh, it's me. Oh, you're giving yourself an applause. I like that. It's Johnny D. What's up, everybody?
Starting point is 00:01:41 Nice to have you. Now, you were supposed to host the show today. I was. It didn't happen. And you were supposed to have this lovely lady with you. And there she is. So we finally, I said, even though I knew I was going to be here today, I was like, well, I can't, I can't take that away from the audience. I got to, I got to keep the three of us on no matter what and keep you guys on.
Starting point is 00:02:00 It was either one of two things. Either I was going to take myself off the show anyway and just let the two of you guys have a show. or I would be part of this and I decided to be part of it. It's not your control freak nature. Welcome. Yeah, I know. John, I haven't seen you in so long. I know, I know.
Starting point is 00:02:16 It's been forever. It's wild. Really? Has it been that long? Yeah. Shmowdown days maybe. Yeah, probably spectacular was the last time we tried out,
Starting point is 00:02:25 the last one, yeah. Wow. I mean, we texted a little bit here and there, but we haven't even done a show together. So that's so odd for us. Well, there you go. Now that's not the case. You're on a million shows now, Roxie.
Starting point is 00:02:39 You're everywhere. I don't know. Everybody keeps saying that, but I feel like I'm doing less shows than ever and doing more, like, social stuff. Oh. Okay. Yes. I do socialize with my 97 and 99-year-old grandparents.
Starting point is 00:02:54 No, no, no, no. I'm at social. I'm in, like, social media. I'm socializing left and right. I have a crazy socializing story for you guys. Uh-oh. Should we start with that? Um, we can't.
Starting point is 00:03:07 But also, I didn't know it was President's Day. How'd you know? Because we have, most people have off today. Yeah, my partner, the Lady Outlaw has off today from UCLA. So she, that's how I knew it was President's Day. But I probably wouldn't have noted. Like, like, whatever, you know. Happy President's Day.
Starting point is 00:03:25 I said, good you know. Well, there we go. Well, it is another reason why they incorporated the, you know, the three-day to four-day weekend, obviously, with what's going on with Captain America. We're going to have a full kind of spoiler discussion today on the show. Then we'll get to TV, and then we'll see if you guys can hit those numbers where Roxy last week broke her record from the previous.
Starting point is 00:03:50 She had 243. She's been whooping up on people. But this time, she's with Roca, although Roca's got another shot because he's going to be on tomorrow with me. That's true. No way. I might weigh her down, though. I might weigh her down.
Starting point is 00:04:01 Roxy's a solo artist. She's great at it. I know. No, you're definitely not going to do that. I feel like if you and I, if we can't merge forces now, who can ever. Who can? It's the truth. Great point.
Starting point is 00:04:13 This is the time to shine. We'll see if you can do it. It's the mega powers. Yeah, go ahead. I'm going to start with this, though. I'm going to start with the actual box office. Then we can get into the spoiler discussion itself. Captain America's box office, brave new world opens to a bullish $100 million in the U.S.
Starting point is 00:04:31 $192 million globally. The superhero pick launched ahead. of expectations despite receiving a B minus cinema score, which is the worst grade bestowed in any title in the MCU. I think that's crazy, by the way. It's crazy. I think that's crazy. We'll talk about it in the second.
Starting point is 00:04:45 Captain America, Brave New World is looking presidential after all as Marvel Studios attempts to reboot the franchise with an entirely new cast. The first year, this year's first 10 poll is reporting a four-day domestic opening of 100 million over the long Valentine's Day President's Day weekend, including 88.4 for three days. The numbers should shift again on Sunday, but either way, it is coming ahead of expectations. Globally, it's starting off with 192.4.4 after launching to 92.4 million internationally, the movie scored one of the top domestic openings for President's Day holiday and the biggest opening of 2025 to date. Well, it's February. That's no small feat, considering that many critics
Starting point is 00:05:23 dissed the move, nor were some moviegoers impressed, Brave New World sued a B minus Cinema score from audiences, the worst grade given to any title in the MCU. Not all viewers felt the same, of course, Brave New World boasting a pleasant 80% audience rankings on Rotten Tomatoes. The movie's overperformance underscores the pent-up demand for a big event pick. It also underscores the value of appealing an ethically diverse cast as well as kids and parents who love the film, according to post-track. This gives Captain America the advantage of playing as a family film. In terms of the ethnic breakdown, black moviegoers, 23% over-indexed by a large degree. Occasions made up of 35% of ticket buyers, followed by Latinos, 23%, Asians are 10% Native Americans, other per-exit polling,
Starting point is 00:06:02 post track. The gender split was 62% male and 48% female, another sign that it is playing to a broader audience than just fan boys who can represent as much as 70% of ticket buyers. Okay, it's back to basics when it comes to the new movie. We all that stuff. All right. So, John, what do you make of the box office? Because yes, 100 million over four days. Yeah. But I think we was projected it around like for the three day, about 85 and it does 88. So, you know, exceeded it. But three. million more, which is still, and I still don't buy the whole, it only cost $180 million to me. But overall, this is, I mean, if you're from Marvel, you're pretty happy with these numbers, right? I think you're happy for the opening weekend, but I think you're also dreading a little bit that these numbers are higher so that when they drop next weekend, it isn't as much of a hit. I will say, though, what you laid out and what, what THR writes really well, laying out the
Starting point is 00:06:55 demographics, I think is super important. I love that that's, I hope that keeps continuing to be a thing that they do, because I think it's a great way to track who's going to see these things and consistently who's going to see these movies and at what numbers. And I love the fact that there are a lot of women who went to see this movie along with a lot of the guys. So I'm a big fan of the numbers as they've come out. But this is good considering all the drama that was going on behind the scenes, the rumors of the reshoots, all this kind of stuff. And look, the critics, it's clear it's a 50% split. It seems like from Rotten Tomatoes. On the audience side, it's 80%. So clearly a lot of people who
Starting point is 00:07:32 to see it or not critics enjoyed the film. But we do know when a film like this has a low critics score, especially in the Marvel universe, it's really hard to overcome it to get the casuals to come in and keep coming back over and over and over again. So I'm going to be much more curious to see how the second weekend goes down. But as far as this weekend, I think they can enjoy it for a few days. But once Friday hits and Saturday hits of this week,
Starting point is 00:07:54 I think they're going to know for sure if they've got themselves a bomb or a film with legs that fan bases are ignoring the critics for to go see over and over again. Rock, do you think of these numbers? First of all, I think it's important to know that I've been using the word bullish wrong for my entire life and just like to Google it because I thought that word meant shy. So how many sentences have I messed that up in? I was like, that title thinks no sense.
Starting point is 00:08:19 That doesn't make any sense. But now I know. In terms of the actual numbers, I know Christian, we were asked last week, do you guys think over or under 80? We both took the over on that. So this isn't shocking to us, of course. But I remember your words were 80, but barely. And I know we were talking about for the three day as opposed to the four day.
Starting point is 00:08:40 So it's pretty much exactly what we expected it to do. It's on track. I, like John, I'm curious what next week's numbers are. For my own personal life, which is how sometimes I try to read the room and gauge things, I know that half my friends who want to see this movie didn't go see it this weekend because it was Valentine's Day. So I am wondering if it actually will perform. well next weekend. It is possible because of that audience score being so high. And because of people having more of an understanding of Rotten Tomatoes now, when people see that 50% critic score,
Starting point is 00:09:11 they know that means that half the critics liked it. So I think that that might get people to go to the theaters. But if it bombs this weekend, ooh, that's just, that's a big trouble. Here's the problem with it. I think that the second weekend should be okay for it. It's the third and fourth that are going to start, I think, hurting it because the second weekend, I think, Roxy goes into your point of the people who didn't get a chance to see it yet, we'll go see it in the second weekend. The third weekend and fourth weekend usually are repeat viewings, right? Yes. I don't think this movie is a repeat viewing movie. And even with the Rotten Tomato stuff, as you guys said beforehand, too, which is I still think that's why Rotten Tomatoes is just such
Starting point is 00:09:56 a hard thing to gauge. I always reiterate this to people that you know, if 100 people, because for me, here's an example for me, out of five, I thought this movie was fine. And I thought it was movie. It was just like a movie that I enjoyed watching for what it was. It was to me an episode of Falcon and Winter Soldier,
Starting point is 00:10:14 enjoyed watching it. But I didn't get it to three, which is a fresh. I got it to 2.9 out of five. So everybody, you know, if every single critic felt the same way I did, like, yeah, it was a fine, it was a fine telling.
Starting point is 00:10:25 And they thought it was a 2.9. It would have a 0% on Rotten Tomatoes. Now, with that would, you look at it, and you go, go, oh, that means everybody thought it was terrible. I didn't. And as I said to you, John, as I was reading this, I think the Marvels is way more atrocious than this movie.
Starting point is 00:10:39 I think Love and Thunder is way more atrocious than this. The Turtles is worse than that. See, I like the Eternals, but I still, but this movie, too, there is a lot and we'll get into it that that is wrong with it, but I thought there was a lot that was right with it. And I think that people are definitely being a little bit more unfair to this movie in general with, it's not edited very well and there's some, it's, you can tell how messy it is, but I think he's really good in it.
Starting point is 00:11:05 But I don't think it's a repeat viewing movie. So that's where I think it's going to get hurt in week three. But if it can deliver on week two, not have that big of a drop off, it still could do decent for them. Well, I got to say, I know three or four people who've gone to see the movie multiple times already this week. Okay. So in our circle, in our circle? Yeah, well, no, the couple of them of my patrons, because we had a meeting last night, hang out.
Starting point is 00:11:28 last night. They told me they'd already seen it twice this weekend. So they're into it, right? And I think there are a certain section of fans who are really enjoying this movie. I can't wait to go back and see it again. I enjoyed myself. I gave it a three and a half in my review. And I agree. I think there are issues with the villain issues with some of the storylines in the middle and that. And you can tell some of these scenes were tacked on and reshoots and what have you. So those are the negatives. But I thought Anthony Mackey delivered a great performance. I thought Airs Harrison Ford had some really strong emotional moments and beats in the movie. And so that carries the day for me in the film.
Starting point is 00:12:05 And I think a lot of people are just enjoying that you're seeing two good performers delivering good work in a movie that maybe doesn't 100% work storyline-wise, but still enjoyable to see them. I mean, I think that's what's great about it. I think there will be people. I think there will be fans who go back as a protest to the critics to go back and see it. Because some of these critics have come out with such vitrious. It's scathing.
Starting point is 00:12:26 It's really weird. It's like, are you mad at Marvel? You're mad at the movies? Like, make up your mind. Have you seen your therapist this week? Because you really need to figure out where your anger is actually at. And so I've been surprised to see the level of anger that this movie has wrought. Like, people were like, they messed by Red Hulk.
Starting point is 00:12:41 Like, what are you guys talking about? So to me, this is where I think it gets a little wonky with some of the reactions. And the fans might react by going back and seeing it over and over again as an FU to these critics. Christian, if you have better help, place that right here. Yeah, right. I know, I know, not too day. I was really surprised. My, when I walked out of the critic screening, I thought to myself, this audience score is going
Starting point is 00:13:06 to be significantly lower than the critics score. Oh, wow. I thought that because I feel like when there are movies like this, that audience is deemed to be controversial for XYZ reason, um, AK, because, and sorry, Christian, because we had a black cap. I thought that this was going to be, audiences were going to bomb this without even seeing it. We're seeing it on Twitter.
Starting point is 00:13:29 We're seeing it all over the place where, like, even my review, people have been messaged, non-stop messaging me. You, you chill, you got paid for this, you guys know,
Starting point is 00:13:42 the classic things. And I didn't. And I'm not, but that's fine. It's just what I thought the audience score was going to reflect. The mass amount of fans who didn't actually end up seeing this movie, movie who just were pissed about the America comment that Christian we spoke about on this show. They were pissed that Anthony Mackey was cap.
Starting point is 00:14:01 They were pissed about the reshoot. They were pissed, pissed, pissed, pissed going into it. So I was like, this is going to have a low audience score. Then when I saw the audience score, I kind of was like, did the opposite happen? Like, has everybody in this audience score actually seen it? Because the audience score is so high that I was like, what is it being flagged the other way? I think it is being fled the other way. And I think it's kind of what John said before, right?
Starting point is 00:14:27 Because I think that this is this to me really, well, it's, I was going to say it screams snooty critic, right? It was off the top of it because I could potentially see myself of if like, could you see this as a seven out of ten or three out of five? Sure. If I needed to. I just didn't feel because it was so messy and the villain was so bad. And I know, Roxy, we can debate about this later. I really like Danny Ramirez. I thought he was terrible in the movie.
Starting point is 00:14:52 I thought he was terrible. I thought he was terrible. Oh my God. I thought the chemistry wasn't that great. No, it was so bad. I thought he was so bad. The timing was off. He wasn't funny at all.
Starting point is 00:15:03 I was cracking up at him. That's crazy. Yeah, I thought he was so bad. I mean, art obviously is subjective, but that is crazy to me. Yeah, I just actually, I actually thought it hurt. I actually thought it hurt his star power this movie more so than gained on it. But you knew him before this. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:20 Top Gun Maverick. Barely. Yeah, but he was also in, he was Falcon and Winter Soldier. And he was great. Oh, barely. Yeah. Yeah. No, I just thought he was, it's funny because when I saw Falcon and Winter Soldier, I said,
Starting point is 00:15:31 I said, oh, this guy could be, just give this guy more to do. And then I, then after I saw the movie, he's like, don't give him any more to do. Oh, my God. Walking out of my screening, he was number one most talked about like, raving, raving, raving, about everything. For you? Oh, for you? Oh, I've seen the exact opposite on, on comments.
Starting point is 00:15:46 I haven't seen one person other than you say that. Wow. That's one. We're just reading different. Internet. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:52 because I just didn't think he was because I mean the one thing when he's like I said this is a spoiler discussion when they're fighting and he goes punk ass and I'm like no one's laughing at that there was no one in my theater it was it it landed like a like a wet fart wow that's so different and your viewing experience can obviously affect how but yeah he was just work in the room for my theater wow okay well maybe it was just friends and family I thought he was fine in the film. I just didn't think their chemistry was as strong as it was in Falcon and Winter Soldier. And I agree.
Starting point is 00:16:25 I think some of those moments didn't hit. Like when he's, oh, nobody's watching. Who. Nobody's, I thought that was like a lame joke moment after he beats up the guys. He just a dance. Oh, my God. I was obsess of that.
Starting point is 00:16:36 He looks around. He's like, eh, no one's watching. But the Miami conversation, that was an awesome moment. Like I thought that, I wanted more of that,
Starting point is 00:16:43 that chemistry and that back and forth and that ball busting. Which part? Which part? He's in the hospital bed. Yeah, I agree with, I agree with you 100%. That's the stuff that worked. Yeah. But like at what point did he think it was okay to be disrespectful to Isaiah when he walks in there? And then he realizes who he is.
Starting point is 00:17:03 And he's like, oh, I didn't mean to. You're just going to be disrespectful to an older guy. You suck. Get out of here. Disrespectful. Yeah, it was a douche. Christian's the new generation. You know, you saw it in the spotlight when the new kids coming in.
Starting point is 00:17:15 You know, how disrespectful they were. you know, it is. I didn't like it. I just thought he had been kind of like more goofy himself and then he realized and he straightened up. I didn't really necessarily feel like this. I didn't really see it though, to be honest, to be fair to him. It wasn't his acting.
Starting point is 00:17:31 The character was obnoxious. The character was obnoxious. I thought he was sexy, like truly attractive. Wow. The writing. I just thought the writing for his character is bad. Anyway, so we can get to more of that. But I just think overall, you know, I think that the movie.
Starting point is 00:17:46 movie itself. I'm glad it's 200 million worldwide. It'll wind up cracking probably a little over four, maybe 500 and it's in its run. Maybe John. It's not great. I mean, you want 750 for a cap. No chance. But I don't think it will get 750 because of all the negatives against it. Yeah. Go ahead. If it does crack 500, do you think that they're happy that it made it? No. Do you think that even means that it made its money back? No, because here's the thing. Like let's let's let's let's say we believe. them that this movie caused $180 million. Let's say we believe. Julius keeps saying there were not that many reshoots.
Starting point is 00:18:21 I'm like, come on. What happened on this Seth Rallin's stuff? We mean there was a lot of ratios. The whole ending changed. They brought in John Carlo Esposito, who was wasted, by the way, wasted. But he, so you could tell it. They didn't really know. They said, hey, we just need to bring John Carlo Esposito into do something,
Starting point is 00:18:39 because we need something because our villain is not great. But either way, if that movie with the marketing costs, let's say 150 million for a Marvel movie, right? And let's say we're looking at close to 450 overall that they need to make. So that's 450 that they, between 450 and 500, they probably have to make to break even, make a little bit of a profit. Yeah. Okay. So maybe they, maybe they get lucky and they break even if you believe that none of the reshoots and all that other stuff took place.
Starting point is 00:19:08 Does any, do any one of us believe that those reshoots didn't take place and that that movie, does everybody here believe that that cost 180? Are they allowed to lie about that? Well, they can skate around it. Mike Kalanowski brought up a good point. The version you saw in the theater cost $180 million. They could do that. How much is the budget for the movie that came out? Are they genuinely allowed to do that, Christian?
Starting point is 00:19:34 It depends on, there's ways to skate around it, is the answer to that question. And you can skate around it by the tune of $100 million? Yeah, that's not even what he's saying, though, Christian. This is the actual quote that he gave Brandon Davis there at Phase Hero. He said, we only did, this is Juliusona. We only did one period of additional photography, which is the same on all of these movies. And it's just part of the filmmaking at this scale. When you think about so many movies that you love, I was mentioned this before,
Starting point is 00:20:01 Star Wars, blah, blah, blah, blah. This is a part of the process. So he's saying they only did one period of additional photography. Now, what may be what he's getting away with is saying period. Period. One period, period, period, can be nebulous. Six months period. A six-month period of three reshoots, but it was that period of additional photography.
Starting point is 00:20:20 So they're skirting around it. It's definitely more than $180 million for this movie. Yeah. I feel that way, too, with everything we heard going into it. I'm just curious what legally you're allowed to do and say. And not even just legally, but also morally, I see. Well, I guess, I mean, look at Netflix with their numbers, right? They don't have to.
Starting point is 00:20:38 They don't have to. They don't have to. Do you have to? I think you have to. I think you have to report the budget of your movie. We've never seen a movie not reported. Well, yeah, that's true. But I mean, I guess maybe they have, but it's, I don't know the real answer
Starting point is 00:20:53 to it. I'm not going to pretend that I do. The accountants, man. Yeah, it's like, that's the other thing. Can you, what could you get away with? What kind of cuts did you make and all that stuff? But either way, the thing will probably wind up making around 500 million overall, which, and if you're marvel, you're saying, okay, look, it didn't do 150 million dollars worldwide. That's good. That's a win. And like the audience likes it. That's that's what we,
Starting point is 00:21:16 who cares what the critics think about this? The audience dug it. We, it tells our story. And I think that what it did well and we can talk about that heavier into the spoiler conversation of it all is that I think what these other movies haven't done very well. It started to set up where we're going in the future. The stuff with the X-Men and that amantium and, you know,
Starting point is 00:21:37 the fact that the whole point, the cap is going to be leading the Avengers now. And then the end scene with. with rotten brain where he says like the whole thing at the at the very end where he's like you know there's things coming from other dimensions like oh okay so I see I see what you're laying out yeah so you're marvel you're like good okay we did what you had to do let's get to thunderbolts now thunderbolts is probably where they're going to go there's a good movie please people care yeah what's up with bucky and thunderbolts how are we getting there how are we getting
Starting point is 00:22:07 he loses the election really and then like 180's back he's Like, oh, bummer, I lost. I guess. I don't want any more, I don't want any more keywords or code words or anything, too, because it essentially would happen again with Isaiah and, you know, and Cap and this one. It was like, that was one of the things that the writing was not great in this movie. It was like repeated a lot of the same bits. Yeah, yeah, you're right, Christian.
Starting point is 00:22:33 There were six writers on this thing, and so you saw that. But this is, listen, I think I, you know, you can say Marvel also, but I think Malcolm Spellman has to take a little bit of the punch on the chin here as well. I mean, he did Falcon and Winter Soldier, and he was a writer on this particular film, and he was the showrunner on Falcon and Winter Soldier, and that show brought up a lot of interesting issues of being black in America, and then being a black superhero in America, but didn't really explore them as deeply as they should. And then when you go into this Brave New World, there's the stuff with him and Isaiah, Sam and Isaiah, there should have
Starting point is 00:23:09 been much more of that explored, even throw in Danny as a Latino, guy represented what's it like to be in this situation like there was so much more that could have really delivered a much more deeper film they just kept touching on things and not following through same thing with subrah right she's an israeli secretary of defense for like how the hell does that happen i know what is all of that but they just like disney likes to do they like to tuck they dip their toe in but not the whole foot and they think that's enough and that ends up insulting a lot of people who are like okay they're going to explore this and then we so and that's the writing Really?
Starting point is 00:23:43 Good, right. I do really agree with exactly what you just said, John, in terms of my criticisms for this movie, which I didn't think was a perfect movie. I, if I like a movie's characters and I like its themes, I'm going to like the movie. But that doesn't mean that this was the best version of the movie that we could have seen. There was so much more to do. The cap Isaiah stuff is, of course, the best part of the movie.
Starting point is 00:24:07 Yeah. Part of the movie. And it's not just because when you're watching Isaiah, We do have all the backstory of the TV show, which is I think my favorite of the MCU TV shows. Obviously, I'm not talking about the Netflix shows. But I think that when we're watching him, we make the comparisons to what's going on here, current day, to what's going on in this world, to how do we justify our actions and how do we rectify our actions as a nation, as a world? And I was really curious about a lot of those themes in the show and then in this movie.
Starting point is 00:24:43 And I was really excited that we did touch on them. Do I wish that we touched on them 50 times more? Do I feel like we could have just dug so much deeper and eliminated other storylines in order to dig deeper? Absolutely. And even in this, we do get a lot of references to Sam not feeling good enough as cap. But it's more about having not taken the serum and less about what it means to be. a black Captain America in America.
Starting point is 00:25:09 So there was a lot more that I do feel like they could have explored. But I was grateful for the messages and for the themes that they were trying to explore. And there wasn't a single character in this movie that I was like, oh, I can't stand that character. And because of that, this is definitely, it was good. It was good for me. Yeah. And we'll get into more that we're kind of going to go through the beginning of the movie
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Starting point is 00:30:14 Braveheart, baby. I love it. So, um, let you never heard him say that? No, I've never heard him say.
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Starting point is 00:30:28 Okay. So we're going to get into the actual spoiler discussion here because, and that was the other thing is that, so the two scenes that they released in the theater. You were just blowing. What? I know, but I mean the full, the full spoiler discussion. But I thought that, you know, when they released the two scenes that they released, I thought were really, like, bad as far as what they were trying to do. It's like, why you want to get, you want to get people excited, I think, especially after seeing the movie. There are other things that they could have shown to get people excited for that film.
Starting point is 00:31:01 But the two things they show. They showed the two scenes they showed, you and I are not in agreement with it, but I'm telling the majority of people, and a lot of people saw in the comment section were an agreement, that the Danny Ramirez dancing scene with the, with the cap fight, which he's talking in between the fight.
Starting point is 00:31:17 And for some reason, the motorcycle guy just drives off to the side, doesn't even get hit. It looked terrible. It was terribly directed. It was just, it was sloppy. So people like,
Starting point is 00:31:25 oh no, you look at the comments on that scene that they released. It's bad. And then they showed the scene with Harrison Ford talking to the Secret Service agent, who she could have been combined with the Black Widow agent. You could have combined those roles together because I didn't see the purpose of the Secret Service agent. You could have given her more to do or given her less to do. But the scene with them in that treadmill scene, when it was like, that's what you're releasing.
Starting point is 00:31:53 First of all, there's no context to it. when you don't know everything that's going on with the the fact that Japan thinks that there's stuff going on with the adamantium and the stones up, which I liked, but you have no context to it in that scene. They released that. So those two scenes, like go into the movie going, what is going to happen in this movie?
Starting point is 00:32:09 Is that whole, is it a representation of the whole movie? It's not. It really isn't. Like, where did they release those on YouTube? How long advance? It was on Twitter.
Starting point is 00:32:17 It was on Twitter and social. It was like a week on YouTube. I was like a week before. It was like a week before. But I went, And maybe it helped. I don't know, because I was expecting it to be terrible. And I'm like, this is, it was like an episode of Falcon and Winter Soldier to me.
Starting point is 00:32:32 I'm like, this is fine. And as I'm watching it, it's because I realize I like Anthony Mackey as Sam. I do think that they took, they stripped away a little bit of his fun. Yes. Because he's, I was talking to Luke about this, because he's kind of like stoic now. Because he has to be, right? He's got this burden of being capped. So you take away that fun thing of him.
Starting point is 00:32:53 but he's trying he's having them maybe that's why they threw those those lines in there when he's beating the guy up and he's you know whatever it might be um but there's that whole thing of you find the animantium he's got he's got to he's got to capture john carlo as was he's kind of like i said he's just he he's kind of incompetent he doesn't get really and he's not he's just menacing because he's john carlo svisito and you know he can be menacing but like he's not the character's not menacing so really smart choice by them though because they didn't have much time to explain so you have to cast somebody that immediately we know who this person represents on screen. And that might be considered lazy, I understand, but I was grateful that that was not another actor because we didn't have time.
Starting point is 00:33:36 And I needed to know, dude's bad and a little quirky. And immediately you know when you see him. Right. But he's just not intimidating because he doesn't ever get anything done. His first mission fails. His second mission fails. And then he kind of runs away. I'll get you cap, shakes fist. Yeah, he's supposed, it was substituting in for the serpent society, which was who were supposed to be introduced.
Starting point is 00:33:58 So they kind of used him to represent that possibility as one person. But yeah, but I hear you, rocks, you're right. You're right. Shortcut, bring in an actor that people already know, and they're willing to dive into his story quicker. Yeah, I have qualms with how they did it. But if you were going to have exactly written the way it was, that's the actor to do it. Sure. Sure. I see what you're saying because you bring power to the role because you see him as opposed to like, if it was just some like almost look i like tim blake nelson and i like see i think that i'm the only maybe i'm maybe speaking for you guys when i shouldn't be but i'm the only one who really
Starting point is 00:34:30 likes the incredible hulk movie um like i like that movie and i was okay with this movie is more of a sequel to the incredible hulk then it is a captain america sequel um and you have all the things that lena with tim blake nelson is the because if you're not a big incredible hulk fan you don't go oh that's how they finish up his story now you go you kind of go oh you kind of go I haven't seen that. Oh, right. Because I've seen that movie so many times. I knew Banner's blood drips on his head. He starts to get excited about it.
Starting point is 00:34:59 And they set up this whole thing with Thunderbolt Ross. He puts him away. He gets pissed off. The motivation just wasn't there. And he just wasn't, to me, he wasn't menacing at all. And he looked goofy with the stupid head popping out. But I didn't think he looked good either. Right.
Starting point is 00:35:17 But I'll tell you what I think did work. And that is the great William Hurt was so good as Thunderbolt Ross, who better to get than to say for everybody to go, well, all right. And Harrison Ford, you know, you get him.
Starting point is 00:35:32 And I thought, I actually think Roxy, he had the best storyline out of the entire thing. Because I think that his storyline represented what the movie is ultimately about. It's like, people can change. People can, you know,
Starting point is 00:35:43 or trying to, no matter what, who's going through this, everybody was going through this thing of like, can I be more than I actually think that I am. And that's exactly what Ross is going through. He's like, he's done all these terrible things and he's, and he's still, he can't get out of his own way. He's like, you have an opportunity. Say what's going on with Isaiah. Just say it. And you can, you can do this and instead he doesn't.
Starting point is 00:36:03 He does the, he reverts back to the old Ross. But how do you think he was handled Rocks overall, the Thunderbolt Ross character? I think you guys both know, I'm obsessed with Harrison Ford. And especially in recent years, honestly, I just think between his 19, 23 and his shrinking. Just what he's doing at this stage in his career is just like, chef's kiss, incredible. So I was really excited to see him. I totally get what you're saying.
Starting point is 00:36:32 And thematically, and I know I keep talking about the themes of this movie, but I think it does introduce a lot of big themes. I love by the time we get to the end when he takes responsibility for what he did. And not only does he take responsibility for what he did, but Cap is like, I'm cool with you relatively, because you did do that. And that does mean something. It does mean something when you mess up to say I did that and to take ownership and to step down from the position that you were in and to not make the world deal with the ramifications of your actions, but to say, I'll just remove myself from the situation so you guys don't have to further deal with the mistakes that I've made. So I thought that that was really well done. And I thought they did a great job with that. But I think that it was a little bit too little too late with some of his stuff. Sure. We did really, the pacing on his character was kind of odd to the point where like,
Starting point is 00:37:27 you are three-fourths of the way through the movie and you're like, so what's up with this guy? Like, where are we going with him? And how are we going to get there? And I understand why, and especially because of what I believe the reshoots to be, that this was more piecemeal together. But yeah, I just think that he lost. in the beginning, I was kind of like,
Starting point is 00:37:50 uh, we're spending a lot of time with somebody that we know where this is going to go. Why are we trying to like kind of fool the audience with this? Yes. I mean, I liked what they did also with the Red Hulk stuff because I was worried about it because they were promoting. I still think they over promoted the Red Hulk.
Starting point is 00:38:05 I mean, that much is like every poster you see, everything you see. But I was said to myself because there was those rumors, John reports that, okay, he's probably, he's not in it that much,
Starting point is 00:38:15 right? But the way that they built towards it, And then when you finally got it, it wasn't like three minutes and then he's just gone. It was like the complete climax of the movie. And it also, I was also excited to see Rage Hulk again. And so when that popped in there, I said, I like the way they led to this. I don't think I would have wanted them read Hulk and more of this because of the storyline that they gave me. But I don't know, how did you feel about it?
Starting point is 00:38:40 Yeah, I mean, I liked, as I said earlier, Harrison Forrest's performance here in terms of the emotion and the strength of what he delivered was very believable. You know, sometimes people forget, like, they're so caught up in the Han Solo and Indiana Jones thing. This guy's an actor. He is a legitimate actor. And when he gets the chance to show emotion and go to those quivering places in the back of his throat conveying real emotion, he is so magnetic. As magnetic as any scene in Star Wars or Indiana Jones, he's very magnetic in that way. And I love it. I'm with Roxy.
Starting point is 00:39:11 I love this old renaissance of Harrison Ford now with the work he's done. even though people didn't like that last in the Ann Jones film for the most part, I liked. I liked him in it. And I enjoyed him 1923. I've watched a couple episodes of them. I haven't seen any of shrinking, but everyone says it's great. And so to me, I love this act. So now you talk about storyline.
Starting point is 00:39:29 I agree. I think, and I was talking with a couple of people last night, I think this idea is that people, I think the idea was that people would come in already having seen the Hulk and know the Hulk so well. You've got to help people, you've got to remind people about this Thunderbolt Ross and the things that he has done. and the loss of Betty because if you're going to make Betty a big deal, that's got to be something that we need to know the backstory of
Starting point is 00:39:52 or people who are casuals need to be reminded of the backstory of. So we understand why it's coursing throughout the movie. Because that is a massive deal in the whole comics, of course, their issues because of banner. But there needs to be more.
Starting point is 00:40:04 Remember, we don't even know that Mark Ruffel, like there's not even a connective tissue in our heads that it is Mark Ruffalo. Those of us who've seen the film still think kind of it's Edward Norton and Lyme Tyler, not Rock Ruffalo and Liv Tyler. Yeah, they should have done a scene with the two of them, right? Exactly.
Starting point is 00:40:20 That's my point. There should have been more here, and there should have been more with Liv Tyler, like going back and forth, whether she should or not. And all the stuff with Sidewinder, you could have lost you and Carlo Esposito. I think you could have had confidence that both of these storylines, Sam struggling with the shield yet again and struggling to represent and really reaffirm himself, and Ross struggling with the idea of convincing people that he has changed, but he also has these sins of the past coming back to Haunton,
Starting point is 00:40:46 which is the stuff he did with the leader. Because there is no comeuppance for him about what he did with the leader, because the leader keeps saying, I helped him get into this position. And we don't know how he did it. We don't know all the nefarious shit that Ross did in the past. So it would have been good for us to know a little bit more so that we as an audience are questioning his change all the way to the end. And when he told you at Hulk, we're still questioning until him and Sam have that come to Jesus.
Starting point is 00:41:12 this moment at the end. So yeah, there's more here, but the performances, I thought were great. Yeah, it's a great point though, too, because I mean, I knew, again, from knowing the Incredible Hulk so much, that's where he's, the William Hurt, Ross's had, he's got, it's back and forth, and he's more, I mean, he gets, um,
Starting point is 00:41:28 abomination created and he, well, he gives Tim Roth the super serum and all that and, and he's not, he's not, he's not a great guy, right? And he does, but he does have for a split second, the end of, um, that movie where he's just, he, he, he, he, sides with Bruce and tells them not to shoot at the Green Hulk.
Starting point is 00:41:45 And he still, you know, he knows how to benefit his cause to work, right? And he still, there's certain things. He says to her in the movie, he's like, the reason you're not arrested is because you're my daughter. And there's these little things, but he, he, he softens up. But he's still, he's in civil war when he's hard ass in civil war. He's hard ass. And I think in infinity war, when he's talking to Rodey, you know, he's, you can see him
Starting point is 00:42:07 building up on that position. So, yeah, the softer, there's just stuff that, and it's hard when you lose, an actor and someone who's replacing them, you have to as someone, if you're watching it, especially for the people who have been locked in, it's hard for us to go, oh, right, he's, okay, we can accept that because we know the things that Ross has done. For people who have never seen, I saw with a friend whose casual Marvel knows well enough and goes, oh, is he playing somebody else that, did something else happen to the other, oh, oh, oh, yeah, there's a William Hurd. He's like, oh, is he passed? Oh, right. And he kind of, he's trying to remember the
Starting point is 00:42:38 William Hurts stuff. He didn't remember it as much. But either way, What, as I mentioned earlier, I think what they did well was the setup. I liked the adamantium stuff. They're really saying this is a big setup for the X-Men. This is a big setup for Avengers. It's a set-up movie, which I think it needed to be because the other movies that they've had has not been good set-up movies. I can remember who I was talking to.
Starting point is 00:42:59 Someone's like, oh, I don't think it was, they set up anything in this movie. I was like, what the hell are you talking about? They said, this is all they did was set-up stuff. It was definitely a building block. And I think that, you know, we see even at the end when we, we're going into post credit scene, which we haven't talked about, but we'll get there, I'm sure. But everybody in my theater was predicting in the post credit scene like,
Starting point is 00:43:19 oh, who from the Avengers are we about to see? Because this is setting up for that, which they didn't do, but obviously we'll get to. Going back to the Red Hulk stuff for one second, because I'm glad that that worked for you guys, a lot of the Red Hulk stuff is the stuff that worked the least for me. Oh. You know, if you're going to tell me that we're going to have a massive Red Hulk fight
Starting point is 00:43:39 at the White House, and that's our set piece, I'm going to need you to use the White House. Like that was so underutilized. We made so many cool choices for where things were going to be. And that like the cherry blossoms, the White House. And then some of that stuff is the stuff that looked the worst to me. And that was quite a bummer because you did make us wait so long for Red Hulk,
Starting point is 00:44:05 which I'm not saying that they needed to introduce earlier. But if they had introduced earlier, maybe it wouldn't have been such a disappointment when we are just like stopping on top of the White House and not doing anything inside throughout, you know, it was just kind of like a Hulk smash on top of the White House for one moment.
Starting point is 00:44:25 I was like, oh, wow, I really didn't like the chaos of that though. The fact that like it was like, I almost liked that they didn't spend too much make it like a set thing. Like he just, it was just an afterthought for him. He's like, get out of whatever's in my way and just completely annihilates the White House within. seem to even be concerned about the White House. Nobody was like, oh, my God, that's the White House.
Starting point is 00:44:44 Like, the stakes felt so low for a man who is just, for a president who has just smashed the entire White House. And ruined, and the legacy was ruined as, you know, I don't remember. What the hell is the bad guy's name again in this? I don't remember. The leader? Sure. I thought that that was, I wish that we used the White House more, you know, like there's
Starting point is 00:45:08 very famous rooms. in the White House. We could have seen the paintings destroyed, statues destroyed. There's so much to do with the White House. We could have seen the reaction
Starting point is 00:45:16 of all of these people like, oh, what are we going to do without the White House? But it just kind of was like something written down in a script like, smashes the White House.
Starting point is 00:45:25 Oh, good enough. When it is such a cool concept, I just think we could have done so much more. And then the scene that looked the worst to me in the entire movie was the cherry blossom scene
Starting point is 00:45:35 where we've got that final fight in that the, the helicopter plane is going low and it looks like a smudge on the screen. I almost never complain about CGI. I didn't complain about Sonics initial design. I don't ever, like, things just look good to me. I never am looking at a screen. I'm like, that looks horrible.
Starting point is 00:45:56 I'm like, if I couldn't make it, then I can't talk. I thought that that cherry blossom scene looked so egregiously bad. It was so distracted. Wow. Okay. I don't disagree with the look of the Jared Blossom. Also, the scene with him and Bucky. Those definitely felt like that scene was thrown in there out of nowhere.
Starting point is 00:46:15 Yeah, that just. There's a great stand-alone scene. Both of those felt like tacked on scenes. Yeah, it was like, hey, we need, we need somebody to, him to go, oh, yeah. And then they like just throw Bucky in there. Like, oh, it's Bucky. Woo! It was just kind of thrown in there.
Starting point is 00:46:30 Like they didn't really, if you, and you, that's another one in the same way that if you didn't watch Wanda Vision and you saw Dr. Strange Multiverse madness you're scratching your head if you don't watch falcon winter soldier you do not have the attachment to isaiah at all um at all because you the bulk of his emotion um is learning what he went through and how he was screwed over and in this you just you kind of get that a little bit but not really you don't get it the same way that you do in the show and then yeah the bucky stuff is like well how did he's he's a senator now what what what i would have and i look i don't normally advocate for this, but I would have normally, I would have removed Sidewinder and added Bucky a little bit more to
Starting point is 00:47:10 them. I came to Sam having conversations, him calling Sam or him showing up things that nature, because that gives Sam a little more humanity. Because you're right, the way he was presented. This is a different Sam. This is the same. It's much more mature, much more foundational. He understands what he has to represent. He's much more clear about it.
Starting point is 00:47:27 But he's still going to have moments, just like Steve Rogers cap did, questioning the situation, questioning where he belongs, questioning if he should be followed. the president and those could have been some interesting moments with him and him and um and bucky and even throwing danny like even throw in uh him into the mix and have the three of them having a conversation about like over beers or something yes i i agree with that i think that the bucky sam dynamic is one of the strongest dynamics yes agreed sure and there is a meta aspect of all of this where we do want to see Marvel and Disney supporting their choice to make Sam Cap. And by putting Bucky in more of the movie, it feels like support. It feels like the Avengers and the people are supporting their decision with what they made.
Starting point is 00:48:14 It did feel a little bit like he was on an island in this movie. And I do think that that what you referenced earlier, Christian, this is a builder movie. Maybe that is the purpose. Maybe that's the point. He's supposed to feel more like an island. He's supposed to feel more like what, where do we go? from here. How do I become this leader? We didn't get
Starting point is 00:48:32 quite to the place that I hoped by the end of the movie. We do have that funny line where he's like, Bucket was wrong. I should have taken the serum. When I thought the arc was going to be like, I don't need it. He was like, oh, no, screw this, I want it. But I definitely think that
Starting point is 00:48:48 I want to see the support from the back end of things towards the choices they've made. Yeah, it's so funny. Because the the mission or the message, I should say, is lost on me because I, when he's fighting the Red Hulk, I go, I say the same thing. I'm like, give this guy this year. He needs, I understand what you're trying to do.
Starting point is 00:49:07 I understand. I understand that you're trying to show me that he can be cap without this. I think that that actually downplays what Steve Rogers was all about because Steve Rogers had a, you know, had a heart of gold and everything else to do. He wasn't able to do it. And then he took the serum because he was a good guy. And the doctor told him, it makes good, a great greater, you know. Sam is great.
Starting point is 00:49:28 He didn't have everything that Sam has. But Sam is great. Sam is great. He's a great person. You give him the serum. It will, it makes great, great. Make them make him great.
Starting point is 00:49:39 I don't disagree. I don't disagree that he should take the serum. I just think that they painted a picture for us. That was the lesson of this movie is, you are good enough. Right. He's like, no.
Starting point is 00:49:50 What I'm saying? The message was lost on me. I got the message, but it was lost. Well, maybe there's a fix there with one final scene with him and Isaiah, because I think the reason he does, one of the reasons it doesn't want to take the sermon, because people know this within the black community,
Starting point is 00:50:01 America has historically, in terms of, has tested on the black community things of this nature, which was alluded to in Falcon and Winter Soldier with Isaiah. So I think there's a conversation to be had where Isaiah let's go of his fears of Sam serving government and being a black captain America and Sam, and then have a conversation about the serum. And then Sam maybe says,
Starting point is 00:50:21 okay, maybe I will take this thing if the opportunity arises again, because we've kind of put those issues to be. bed with with Carl's blessing you know how did they get the guns into the White House six of them which ones which one do you talk which which
Starting point is 00:50:37 which scene okay we go into the White House and we end up the flashes of light the musical cue six people and in the assassination attempt in the assassination attempt six people end up attempting to shoot the president or you guys know yeah yeah how do we get the guns in there right
Starting point is 00:50:56 And, well, I mean, wasn't one of the guys that was under the spell? Well, I guess it really matter because the spell was activated. So, yeah, I don't know. Sabra was looking through the footage that the guns were placed in certain places already in the White House. So they were brought in there brought in by somebody who died. Right. Yeah, right. This is a great point.
Starting point is 00:51:15 It was distracting to me. Right. Again, as somebody who liked this movie, I gave it a lot of leeway because I just, I was enjoying myself. But I, I'm, well, that's true. Well, someone said A lot of them were Secret Service already. They yanked them off. So they already, so they were, well, some of them worse.
Starting point is 00:51:32 What about our main, Isaiah? Isaiah was I don't know where he. Famous idea is Isaiah grabs a gun off a nearby guard. The camera makes sure to stay on him. So that's probably where he got the game. Maybe if I watched it, it would make more sense. But like you have six guns. Well, that's what they said, all the people that minus Isaiah were secret service.
Starting point is 00:51:50 So that would be. Guys was a military guy. So not like a Navy or something. That would make sense. But, all right, listen, so I want to get into the post-credit scene, and then we're going to get to Roxy's picks, and then we've got a few questions. Because you guys, together, I'm not surprised.
Starting point is 00:52:04 We're not even into the thing that 128 questions. So we got to get through these. That's a long. We've got to get to 300. Come on, everybody. 300. It's a day off. Stop messing around.
Starting point is 00:52:15 300. President's Day. Everyone knows that. All right. Listen to me. Let's get to the post-credit scene. as Roxy mentioned, they're going to, like, it's essentially, you know, the leader telling them, you have no idea. I can see all these probabilities.
Starting point is 00:52:31 I see all these things. I see everything that's happening. And he essentially sets up the next two Avengers movies. So what did you make of this scene, John? I know. Listen, I like the movie, but that scene was a wet fart to me because, because, listen, people have to be smart. And I know people are going to get mad at me and I don't give a fuck. but like you've got to know how to get a good villain and why would you bring back the old issues with Marvel by having Tim Blake Nelson who doesn't scare a fly as the villain in as the leader the way you write him like he's great and old Henry is Billy for those you've seen it it's a great reveal of who he is in the movie but like in this movie there was none of that menace none of that real threat so when he gets the he gets the post credit scene it's kind of like oh okay so he's been looking at the
Starting point is 00:53:22 the probabilities and look what's coming. You're not ready for what's coming. These people are coming. And so it wasn't quite as powerful as I was hoping that and that post-credit scene would be because your villain wasn't set up to be very strong in the movie. So to me, it undercut what that scene was supposed to be about.
Starting point is 00:53:41 And I think if you'd written a villain much more stronger, much more strongly throughout the movie, then that would have had much more menace and threat and would have gotten fan boys and fan girls super excited about. what's coming next for Marvel. Roxy, what do you think? Bummer, man. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:58 I mean, there's not a person in the theater who was excited about this post-credit. It was like legitimately, you know, the, we get to the credits. Everyone is like, who are you thinking? Who are you thinking? Like, is there any way we see Spidey? Who are you guys thinking? And then for it to just be a continuation. And only one, by the way, only one scene.
Starting point is 00:54:20 And only one, yeah. not a mid-end post. Yeah. It was just so lackluster. I feel like actually a good post-credit scene can make a lot of people leave a movie and have the movie go from like meh to good. And if they had really nailed this post-credit scene and showed this is a builder movie, let's get people excited about what the future of the Avengers could look like.
Starting point is 00:54:45 Like even if it was just Bucky that they brought back, just anything that made people be like, Hell yeah, let's go. This was like, oh, by the way, P.S. They're coming. We know. Right. We know.
Starting point is 00:55:00 The movie announcements. So we know. Another way to say that they had, they had broken into his office and found all his material on the computer. Danny had all the material, right? They could have found, Hey, Cap, you got to see this. And then they show all the stuff that might be coming from his calculations.
Starting point is 00:55:17 Like there might be other stuff coming. Maybe even the multiverse bridge that we saw. in Fantastic Four in the trailer, you could have had that as one of the designs on the program or on the documents on the program or something. There's a better way to have set that up without even using the leader as opposed
Starting point is 00:55:33 it's seen. Well, there you go. I'm sure we'll talk about it more because you guys have a bunch of questions about it. In the super chats and everything too, we're going to get to those in just a moment before we do. Roxy has some TV picks for us. Oh my God, Christian.
Starting point is 00:55:50 That's we can tell us. vision in so long. All right. Well, let's start with this one. Yellow Jackets returned with two episodes for season three. And both episodes are great. This show is, it's an unbelievable show. I'm not sure where we're going this season because we're bridging the gap between watching people from the past and their present.
Starting point is 00:56:13 And we're running out of like who's alive and who's dead, who makes it out and who doesn't. And so now we're kind of seeing more how it affects their lives. And we're seeing more how they actually probably got out of the situation that they were in. So I think that this is excellent. I like watching what they're doing with the coach and putting him in a different location and seeing like the anxiety that comes up. And the lack of trust between the girls and him. Also, they're experimenting with drugs, talking to nature. There's a lot, a lot of cool stuff going on.
Starting point is 00:56:51 And this show came back and bang for sure. Okay. So that's Yellow Jackets after that. I'm bringing up the Kardashians on this show, which I almost never bring up, because the first two episodes of this season, we get a Chloe and Lamar reconciliation of them meeting up for the first time in nine years. Do you guys know anything about this? No.
Starting point is 00:57:15 Yes. I know of their relationship. I don't like this show. but I know their relationship, which is a super messy relationship. So it was absolutely super messy. And the last they spoke almost a decade ago, he obviously was still in his rehab, where she rehabilitated him after his horrible four months stint there after the incident. So it was crazy to watch them connect again.
Starting point is 00:57:43 And she had saved all of the stuff from him. It was, I, I didn't ever watch an episode of Keeping Up with the Kardashians. When this moved to Hulu, I had to cover it for work. And then I became absolutely hooked on it because it does a lot of showing behind the scenes of, like, S&L and all the things that they do, which I am interested in. But I never really care about the inner relationships. But this one was crazy to watch. Man, it was a wild two episodes. Okay.
Starting point is 00:58:13 So. Oh, and we saw Kim Kardashian. Find the scenes of her at the roast of Tom Brady, her talking about getting booed. And that was really interesting her take on that as well. Next one after that. Love is Blind. Good Valentine's Day drop.
Starting point is 00:58:26 See, listen, I liked Captain America, but to be on Valentine's Day, give me no love. I had to go home and watch Love is Blind. And we got, I think it was like six episodes. This show is unmatched when it comes to dating reality shows. It is the number one. It is so, so good.
Starting point is 00:58:45 but it seems like there's a lot of weirdos this season and I'm kind of nervous that I don't know if any of them are going to get married I'll keep you guys posted next week okay so can I chime in on this can I chime in on this real quick I love love is blind I'm a mad addict of love is blind I've watched the Sweden Mexico Japan Spain and all American versions I love it it's I don't you get to watch UK right UK when yes I watch UK one is I'm a mad addict to this stuff this has been the walkiest season because they try tried to go with regular people. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:17 And they're working so hard to try to not be influencers that it's all just smashing into itself. And you're right. I'm a little concerned about who the hell is going to come out of this season. Yeah. It's just kind of weirdo energy. I don't know what to make of it. But we'll see.
Starting point is 00:59:33 In love and blind, we trust. So this is the thing I'm most excited to talk about this week. And that's saying something because there was severance. But SNL 50th anniversary, I, It was a three-hour episode of the greatest mother effing hits. This was so, so cool to watch. Other than Bill Hader and Dan Aykroyd not being there, everyone was there. I mean, there was just so many people in that room.
Starting point is 01:00:05 From the celebrities to the musical guests, to the people that they had hosting throughout, to Steve Martin's opening monologue. And this was just like, If you are now or have ever been a fan of S&L, so we can update that they did to Bill Murray, just this was so great. I wasn't even necessarily planning on watching this.
Starting point is 01:00:28 And then I was scrolling on my phone. I started seeing so many clips on TikTok and Instagram. And I was like, wait, oh my God. I have to have to watch this entire thing, start to finish. It's on Peacock. I can't recommend it enough. Such a great time.
Starting point is 01:00:42 Okay. So that's that one. and then after that we have. Cobra Cobra Cye dropped its final season. Christian, are you not caught up yet? No, I'm midway through the second half of the final season. It's perfect. Okay.
Starting point is 01:01:02 It ends perfect. I mean, from the final moments to the entire final part of the season, I couldn't have asked for one more thing. I am floored. They stuck the landing in a way that is very difficult to do. It was so, so, so good. You have to finish the show out. And then I saw on the finale, on the final carpet,
Starting point is 01:01:29 that Mary Mouser and whoever plays Robbie got engaged. Yeah, I saw that. Yeah. We didn't even know they were dating. No, there were rumors, but. I'm so excited for them. Yeah. This show finished in such a great way.
Starting point is 01:01:44 So happy that they did that. Okay. And then the final one? Yeah, it's going to be on my list every week. You all know it because it's the best show on TV. Another great episode. I have gone deep down the rabbit hole on conspiracy theories on the show. I guess it's not conspiracy theories, just theories.
Starting point is 01:02:06 There's so many great ones about the goats. And if you let me have a four-hour plot, form. I would tell you all about them, but I love that this is the first show in a long time that's making me after the show is done. I spend longer researching than I did watching the show. Like, I'll watch for an hour and then for three hours, I'll be watching every single YouTube, TikTok, every single thing like what's going on and the after scenes. It's just, I'm so engaged. I'm caught up on this now. I love it. It's great. I feel, I feel the same way. It's like I have that same kind of feeling, you know, like you said, when, like, when I was watching Lost, you know,
Starting point is 01:02:44 it's like I have that, I have that feeling of like, okay, what is happening? What's, how, how, I want them to stick the landing in the same way that you get kind of stressed out, hopefully the loss was going to stick the landing and do the things that, and make it all count and not be disappointed when they tell you what the reveals are. So, um, yeah, and the characters are, are wonderful. I'm, I think I'm supposed to be, but I'm starting to get annoyed with, um, with, with, uh, one of, one of the actress. But I don't, I guess maybe I don't want to spoil it. But I'm, now when he comes on the screen, I'm, I used to like him, but now, now he's
Starting point is 01:03:18 annoying me. Is it Milchick? No, I like, I love Milchick. Oh, I love Milchick. Um, what's the dude's name who, um, who might, he kind of looks like Ethan Irwin a little bit. Um, he's, uh, yeah, he's, uh, one of the, uh, he's, uh, one of the, uh, he's a In Inny or an Audi. He's an in any.
Starting point is 01:03:40 He's, let's see what's his name. In any that looks like Ethan Irwin, one of our four main Eannies? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Zach Cherry, Zach Cherry. Who's that? He's Dylan. He's Dylan. Dylan.
Starting point is 01:03:54 And I like him. I like him. I worked with Ethan for years. He looks just like him back in the day. You never worked with Ethan. So you don't know. Old school Ethan. I'm not talking about.
Starting point is 01:04:05 Samurai. Yes. And I sent it to an avid, we all agree. But, but, but, but he works with him, you can decide what he looks like. Yes, you didn't know him back then. He, I'm not talking about samurai, Ethan. I'm talking about, you know, remember when he had that, that samurai bun that he used to, that used to do? Love that. Um, anyway, point is, you're getting annoyed with Dylan. Yeah, but I think I'm supposed to be. I'm annoyed with Dylan too, man. Dylan's apology was, I understood though, you know, and I would have made the same choices probably that he did. Yeah, not the actor.
Starting point is 01:04:38 The actor's great. Zach's great. I just, I think the character's annoying. All right. Good, good TV picks. I like it. But now we got to jump into the questions, guys, because we have only you at 50. Do you have another tight out here as always, Roxy?
Starting point is 01:04:53 All right. All right. Then we got to start getting through the. Okay. Alberto Poras becomes a YouTube member. Thank you, Alberta. Very, very kind. There was one that I think came in here that, let me read this one.
Starting point is 01:05:07 It's not going to be on the screen. But Joseph De Pina says, Hello, sir. I'm a huge fan of you and most of your guests. All right. Most of them. You have such a friendship with most of these folks. You have on as guests,
Starting point is 01:05:19 co-hosts and most. Well, thank you, Joseph. Yeah, they're all, my pals as much as anything else, too. So, um, Joseph, just say it. Just say my name, bro. He didn't say you. I didn't say you. Why are you being so sensitive?
Starting point is 01:05:30 Stop it. Um, all right. So that's, we have, again, two new members here today. Beautiful. next one after that is Murphedurf Love that Captain America
Starting point is 01:05:43 Laborious Exposition Better title both cameos were a waste film Yeah I wish Betty could have come in Yeah Around the Red Hulk area That would have been helpful
Starting point is 01:05:52 Right? Do you think he was busy? What was up with that? My friend though I saw it with thought that her Both her voice and the scene at the end were AI Yeah I have friends who thought that like Definitely definitely was not on set
Starting point is 01:06:04 Yeah But she showed up to the premiere So I don't know. So I don't know. Look, maybe they said to her, hey, we're going to use AI. We're going to use AI versions of you. I'm going to put your face on there. She's like, okay, pay me.
Starting point is 01:06:16 But you have to show up to the premiere. Okay. I'm not around. So stick my face on the thing. SAG helped me out with that with the negotiations. So I'll get paid handsomely for it. So do it. And that's probably, maybe that's what happened.
Starting point is 01:06:29 I don't know. But I do think she should be to use more for sure. Aaron Caranza. The new Captain American movie, was decent, but why did they cast a Hobbit to play a Black Widow? Oh, come on. I'm sorry, but that lady was too small. Love the show. Um, she was at the whole point of the Black Widows. What? Yeah. That makes absolutely no sense. I think yes and no. I don't think he necessarily need to call her the name he called her, but I think that, um, I think that she wasn't a, I don't think she was a, I don't think
Starting point is 01:06:57 she was a, I don't think she was likable in the way that, um, that Black Widow or Scarlet Johansson was inside of that. And I don't think she was believable in kicking ass the way she did. So I understand where he's coming from, but I understand your point, Roxy, where it's like that is the point of the Black Widows in general. But she was changed to be Black Widow
Starting point is 01:07:18 because if all the reports from Vulture that they didn't want to get, you know, to political and everything to, in a political thriller which doesn't make a lot of sense. So, yeah, I don't think she was, I don't think that character was
Starting point is 01:07:33 the best. Yeah, it's not her fault. I think wasn't written that well and they clearly edited her out of the movie. So she's like popping in and there's not enough of a through line. There's hate comments like this. It's just like, why did you need to be so disrespectful to her? You didn't have to call her a name. I mean, to go at the top. You could have just said, I thought that she was a little small to be believable kicking butt. Okay. Right. To which I agree with. But I don't, But I don't agree with the-
Starting point is 01:08:03 She ended up actually really working for me at first. I was like, what's happening here? Like, why do we have this character? And then she did work for me, but I could see it not working for somebody. Yeah, but I don't think you need to call her a name in order to do it. Yeah. Okay. Next thing will be Aaron Carranza.
Starting point is 01:08:20 Christian will always be the original Big Balls. That's right. And we can't forget about Roka, aka Little Weebles. Love the show, thank you. I got you, little Weebles. Come here, bring your Facebook. Probably didn't mention me because I'm too big of a Hobbit for you. Simon's section.
Starting point is 01:08:38 Part one. Hey, guys. John, I did see Captain 4 on 40X, but I didn't get my popcorn. Went with the turn on off water button. I guess Trinidadian 40x cinemas are more gangs are advanced. And I did the more. Trinidadian, bro. Trinidadian.
Starting point is 01:08:55 Trinidadian. And I did enjoy the movie with the dinosaurs. What's the on-off thing? when you see 40x like you know you know what I'm saying you move around they pipe in stuff yeah they do stuff what's the on off water button well no not you want to get squirt over the water yeah yeah right simon section part two experience even the guy sitting next to me who was leaning on his girlfriend couldn't fall asleep 7 out of 10 for the film it it's kind of like an average number from that's what john gave there's a set photo of Adam and He-Man getting arrested by cops missing your picture already
Starting point is 01:09:33 I texted this to Christian immediately everybody that Bobby put in a question to you I wanted to take my head and slam it through my my freaking table it looks so stupid it's so by the way he looks great as Adam looks great he looks great the sword looks fantastic he's standing there with two cops on earth each shit it looks so stupid And I really, really like Travis Knight so much. But man, what a, what a dumb, dumb decision this is. This is so stupid. He's been living on Earth for 20 years.
Starting point is 01:10:09 Now you've got to go back to attorney. No. No. So dumb. It is, they, did these people just, and I'm so surprised that Mattel signed off on this because they were, when we were working with them, they wouldn't sign off on anything that distorted like the lore. And this distorts the lore so much.
Starting point is 01:10:28 I'm so surprised. they signed off on this. You probably just want to get a movie made. Yeah. Oh, I hated those dumb photos. Yeah, really dumb.
Starting point is 01:10:36 Simon section. So let's say this new human movie starts on Earth and goes to space and lands an attorney. Are the studios trying to have their last Starfighter cake and eat it too? It sounds like it. Still want to see that remake. Yeah, that's what it sounds like. Roxy,
Starting point is 01:10:48 did you see these pictures? No, I didn't, but sorry for your loss. Yeah, that's what it is. It's just, it is a loss.
Starting point is 01:10:55 I've been worried about this for you. I have been because I just, know how much it means to you. I was so excited when they announced Travis Knight. I was so excited. And I still think that the movie that he makes could wind up being a decent movie itself. Like in the way that in the way that we're just talking about, uncharted. Uncharted is a is a fine action movie.
Starting point is 01:11:17 It's a fine action movie. It's not a good uncharted movie. It's a fine action movie. I didn't see it. This movie is just going to be a good Travis Knight movie that happened. From what I heard also about Skeletor and what they're going to do to the lore, Skeletor too, boo, boo, boo, real boo. Darius Rogers, thank you, Darius, became a YouTube member.
Starting point is 01:11:38 We got a lot of new members here. Good time to do so. We've got some more reactions going up there soon to unedited ones. Simon's action. So apart from the certain CGI shots, fight scenes, dialogue, would you say the timing of the release heard it despite the reshoots like Black Widow? So who is there? Task Masker.
Starting point is 01:11:55 Oh, X Black Widow. So let's see, for the timing of the release, heard, heard it? You're talking about Captain America when it came out? I actually think it was a good release date. I do too. Yeah, I do too. I think it actually helped. I think, I think it, I mean, remember, it's still, if this movie would have cost,
Starting point is 01:12:14 let's say this movie was $150 million, and you release it, and it makes the money that it made so far, you're super happy. You're super happy with it. And in February, I mean, like, it was one of the, highest President's Day release weekends of all times. So that's, yeah. There's no competition for it. No.
Starting point is 01:12:33 Six weeks at least. So right a bit. You can run roughshod right now. Day Napper. Remember that scene in Captain America four where one of the eight main characters died? Oh yeah, there was no scene like that. Everyone lives.
Starting point is 01:12:48 I'm so upset about this. Yeah, there's, I mean, there was no loss in it. In the first sentence, I was like, what? Yeah, no. There was no characters in this. Yeah, there was no loss. That's a little bullish of you. Go pal.
Starting point is 01:13:03 Probably going to hold off in this episode for a while until I guess the chance to see Cap 4, but here's some support. Thank you, go, pal. Yeah, totally understand. That's why we were able to do that this week, because we all, all three of us saw it. So, Jamie Ralph, Sam's mind state about being capped should have been shown. Shows take away from the audience who only watch films. Same with Wanda in Multiverse Madness.
Starting point is 01:13:23 Stop doing shows. I'm starting to get on that, on that. I'm starting to get on that bandwagon. I used to be... We're about to do Daredevil Born again, so maybe be more selective with the shows you do? Maybe. I definitely think that. You don't just not do any shows.
Starting point is 01:13:40 Maybe do one show a year. Yeah. I do agree completely, Jamie, though. It shouldn't be a prerequisite that you have to watch seven shows in order to understand a movie. As somebody who watches every show, I still don't think that that's right. And don't lie about it, too. I love Kevin Feigy. The one time I can say, Kevin Fikey pissed me off
Starting point is 01:13:59 was when we were watching the multiverse of madness thing and people like, do we need to see Wanda Vision, nor do you don't need to see that? What the hell are you talking about? The whole thing, why do you have, why does she have kids? Why is she bad? Why does she have this? Of course you have to watch that show.
Starting point is 01:14:14 It makes no sense. Don't do that. If you're going to make people, if you're going to make it a continuous thing and be honest with people, yeah, listen, you really should watch that show before you see this movie. Because you don't want to hear us, box office. So he said, nah, you don't need to see it. That's, that, that, that was lame. That was lame.
Starting point is 01:14:31 Maybe say that because the writer and Sam essentially did the same show over again in the movie. Did they? They didn't, dude, they didn't even watch the damn show. They didn't, they repeated the same story. Right. It wasn't finished it. People go, yeah, and like, that was my favorite when I say that I go, they go, well, Sam, Ramey hadn't, it wasn't, there wasn't a finished version yet. So he couldn't see it. He didn't know. There were no scripts. Yeah. People just live in. fantasy and yeah it's behind the scene stuff Al Rensha I like Jancarlo but he was
Starting point is 01:15:00 useless and not needed in this movie yeah I'm I think Roke and I are on your page on that one yeah they should yeah they should not have agree I don't disagree you just think you just think more so if you're gonna have anybody in that role why not give it some yeah I understand I understood immediately what was up
Starting point is 01:15:16 yeah yeah they should have had him at all just throw in whole serpent society John do you think part of it was do you think Seth Rollins's performance was any good no I think they realized that they were shoving too many things into the film and they didn't feel like they could get it right. Because look, if they didn't get the
Starting point is 01:15:32 leader right, what do you imagine the serpent's society was going to look like? All those snake apparatuses to them. It was going to look. It's going to look silly. It was going to look silly. And I think they figured they couldn't get it right. And look, no offense to Seth. Yeah, I don't know. Daynapper. That sucks. Yeah, it sucks. It sucks. It sucks.
Starting point is 01:15:48 It sucks. Daynapper. With low expectations and a chocolate mushroom square, I enjoyed the movie. And I also think, fine, is it good enough at this point. Yeah, I mean, it's, you know, Um, fine. It's, I saw a bunch of people. Well,
Starting point is 01:16:00 the fine isn't going to get me into the movie theater. And it shouldn't. You know, if you, if you really want, I tell people, if you want to go to the movie theater to go to see the movie to see where it's going to go and you leave, and you're okay leaving going,
Starting point is 01:16:13 but if you're looking for, oh, it was amazing. I don't think there's a lot of people that are coming out of this movie saying that. Marvel fans are spoiled. Marvel fans are spoiled now. Like, they're like, everything's got to be end game, man.
Starting point is 01:16:26 And it's like, wow, everything's going to be Black Panther. And it's like, you know what? There are a lot of fine films in every phase of Marvel. Maybe there's less hits now than there were overall in terms of the phase. But it's not like we haven't had fine films throughout Marvel. So, you know. I'd like to see them get back on track, though. I really would.
Starting point is 01:16:44 I have movies. I know. I know. It's not easy. Nathan Drake, let's hear Roca's thoughts on Beth Dutton. That's exactly the debate you've been wanting us to have for a year. You never have.
Starting point is 01:16:54 Oh, oh, oh, oh. Okay. I never look at Kelly Riley's name. No, no, I know, yeah. That's great. Thank you for reminding me because I would have known. All right. You know what?
Starting point is 01:17:03 That's perfect. We're not going to change each other's mind. It's so funny, John, because people have been asking for so long, and I'm just like, but he doesn't like her performance and I do. Yeah. I mean, we kind of just had that with Danny. Right. You guys didn't like his performance. Right.
Starting point is 01:17:21 And I did. So, like, what do you say to the other person? I don't see where you're coming. John thinks she's one of the best characters in all of Yellowstone, right, John? No. Do tell me, like, what is it? And I know you don't watch the show. You only watch one season, right?
Starting point is 01:17:38 Yeah, season and a half. I got done in the middle of season, too, because it got two soap opera, and I was like, I can't be a part of this. And so I wanted it to be what his shows are now. Like Landman, Lioness, those are my shows. That's my kind of language. Lamb Man is so good. Right?
Starting point is 01:17:54 So good. to understand how good landman is. And I think Taylor is getting better. That's the crazy part of this. Taylor is getting better. Yellowstone was what he started out with. But his shows have gotten consistently. Even Bass Reeves was a damn good show.
Starting point is 01:18:06 So it's better. For me, I think the aspect of it all is that she's always, she's always the tough, there's no, there's no levels to what she's doing when I watched the show. And it's like, I just rewatch that scene where she dresses down the woman who accused the Native American girl of stealing stuff and she went back in there.
Starting point is 01:18:23 She embarrassed her. Like even that is like, the Native American girl actress plays the scene better than Kelly Riley. I'm just not a Kelly Riley fan when she's playing hard ass because I don't buy it. I have to believe that if you had watched all the seasons, you would think she's the best because I don't know anybody who's watched the show who doesn't think like not only do I think she is the best actress on the show. And that's including every actor on the show. But I think she is the best actress on television, like period hands down. always wins. She never loses. I've never been nominated for anything.
Starting point is 01:18:58 It's got to be continued. I don't mean, I mean like in the show, the storyline. Oh, I was like, wins what? No. She's frustrating me about Costner. She loses a lot. We'll continue. This is part one of the debate. We'll continue it. Mike Joyce, there's some wild theories out there for severance. Are you worried it will go off the sci-fi deep end, right? It's gone wild with these
Starting point is 01:19:17 theories. I know the theories are insane. The goat stuff is like killing me right now. I'm happy to say that I don't pay attention to any of that. crap. No, it's amazing. It's amazing. It makes the show so much better for me. No, I'm not worried that it's going to go off the deep end because I think they really took their time. And I think they know exactly what they're doing. If you guys listen to Dan Erickson, the creator of the show, like how there was beforehand, they couldn't get on the same page. Then they did get on the same page. If you listen to the afterthought, Tim, Ben Stiller, everybody talking about it, I think they know exactly what they're doing. And I, I, if some of the Reddit theories are correct, I think that's
Starting point is 01:19:50 amazing. Raffs. You know what? Sevens, I've not seen one episode of seven. So yeah, I know. You would love it.
Starting point is 01:19:59 You would love it. Raps UK Rafton. Hey guys, long from I'm fan here. Zubilee Zoo. Hell yeah. Zubbizu. That was old school.
Starting point is 01:20:06 Nathan Aredondo. I think Marvel is starting to do a real push for Fantastic 4. I saw it in IMAX this weekend and the whole IMAX count down intro was Fantastic Four theme. Thoughts. Yeah. It's going to be their big push.
Starting point is 01:20:18 I still say it. And I'm going to stand by it. Fantastic 4, which is not a surprise for anybody, will make the most out of any Marvel movie this year. Thunderbolts will be the best as far as small. And that number will be what, Christian? Overall worldwide? Yep.
Starting point is 01:20:34 Between $750 and $800. Wow. You don't think it's a billion. No. You don't think that has $4. It's a billion. No. Okay. I don't.
Starting point is 01:20:42 John, you do? I think it's in the cards. If it's in the cards, it's possible. Because I think Marvel fans are so starving for a great film. that they will go over and over and over again if this is great. And so I think that might push it to a billion. But it all depends on how good Superman is too, because remember, they're competing with each other.
Starting point is 01:20:59 That's what that's kind of, that's my mind. Will they elevate like Barbenheimer or were they sabotage together? Yeah. I don't even think. I think Superman will get close. I don't think Superman will get a billion either. All right. I do.
Starting point is 01:21:11 Corn Emperor. You think they'll both make a billion? I think Superman will have a billion. I wouldn't be surprised at either one of them hit a billion. I just don't. Yeah. Yeah. I think Cigran is going to outperform Fantastic Four.
Starting point is 01:21:22 But I think Fantastic Four will do very well. Hi, Cold. I'm Captain. Have a great show. Captain Cold. Yep. Next one here is, why so Sidious,
Starting point is 01:21:33 a nerd podcast. I like that. Hope you all doing well. Captain Four was a fun time. Yeah. I agree. Crystal coming in. Okay,
Starting point is 01:21:40 now I understand. Now, because guess what? We're a 204. That would make a lot of sense. Because I was wondering if Crystal shows up. We're going to push. We're a 204 right now.
Starting point is 01:21:47 My girl. Makes sense. Mike Joyce, since it's President's Day, who's your favorite, favorite least president? Come on, Mike, what are you doing here? No, fictional. Fictional. Okay, okay, fictional. So I think.
Starting point is 01:21:59 Get to the end of things before your penis. That's fine. That's fine. My favorite, you know, you know who I'm going to go with my favorite? You're going to think Harrison Ford from, from Air Force One, but I'm, I know, I'm actually know Michael Douglas from American president. It's got to be Jed Bartlett, right?
Starting point is 01:22:15 You guys are not West Wing people. I love West Wing. Oh, you're talking about TV and movies? Then maybe. That's true. He didn't say movies. So, yeah, that's a good one. Least favorite?
Starting point is 01:22:28 Probably Jack Nicholson and Mars attacks, maybe. That's true. I got to think about that. I love David Palmer on 24 also. There's some really bad ones. I don't know. I got to think about the bad ones. You know, thinking about the bad ones.
Starting point is 01:22:41 There's got to be presidents on TV and movies that have like assassinated people. Really horrible. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Some people are really bad ones. I got to think about it in general. There's some really bad ones. I think, this is definitely Air Force one.
Starting point is 01:22:55 That's a good one. Corn Emperor. Roxy, how would you have managed the outlaw? Oh, yeah. That was, so can I, here is a reveal. I've never talked about this before. So John retired from the Schmodeown at the, we talked about it about him coming back.
Starting point is 01:23:12 And there was conversations. There was nothing set in stone, but it was conversations. And the way we were going to bring him back was with Roxy, his manager. I told him that I wouldn't come back unless Roxy was winning. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's so funny because we've never done like a John and Roxy, just the two of us thing, but I don't think people realize how much you and I loved working together. Yes. And we did at Collider and I remember being so excited for you coming back to the Shmo Down. I think that it would have been so obviously I had challenges on my hand and was it was
Starting point is 01:23:47 unbelievably fun and exciting to especially manage the odd couple. I don't know that anybody can be more difficult than Jeff Snyder can be, who I love with my whole heart. So I know that- I'm going to go with him every week. Yeah, I'm obsessed with him. You guys know he's one of my best friends, but man, like, he's a-
Starting point is 01:24:06 He's a handful. So I think that that prepped me for a lot. But I was really excited to see how John would help me up my game, because you would bring, you just bring so much like performance and gravitas to the stage. So how would we, I have managed him. We would have worked as a team and figured out what worked best for him.
Starting point is 01:24:25 Yeah, it would have been great. It would have been so fun. That would be the best. You guys would have seated the stage to Roxie because I'd know confident that Roxie could kill it on the mic and I would just be fine that she would get all the points across. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:24:38 I wouldn't have to do it much. And that would have been so great. Yeah. Roxy fought. Roxy really fought for our players. Not in an obnoxious way in a very, like I know and like even the behind the scene stuff when we were on phone calls and stuff too like whether were storylines or anything to like roxy was very very involved.
Starting point is 01:24:55 John does something cool before every match too like I really liked how you centered yourself and would take your minute and time and I think that that would been very different than who I had managed in the past also I'm giggling thinking about right now actually what Braco or Snyder was more challenging. I mean, they're just like two of the most amazing guys. I love both of them so much. Yeah. People don't realize what into that. I always remember when when people would be like, why do people need managers?
Starting point is 01:25:23 I'm like, you have no idea. Crystal D.W. fan, Roxie, I hope your stomach is better, stupid yogurt. Would you have bad yogurt or something? No. I guess I'm allergic to yogurt. Oh, lactose intolerism? I've never tried. I never bought yogurt before.
Starting point is 01:25:36 And I've been making smoothies and everybody told me to try to put yogurt at my smoothie. And then I was up all night sick. Oh, God. Maybe it was bad yogurt. No, I got it. I don't think so. I think, well, you know, I'm allergic to cheese. But I'm not allergic to ice cream.
Starting point is 01:25:48 So I thought that the yogurt would be fine. You might just had bad yogurt, Rox. Yeah, maybe. I'm too scared to ever try it again. I don't blame you. It was the worst night ever. That's the worst. Matt Sinister McAll.
Starting point is 01:25:58 I saw a baby girl by myself on Valens died. Hello. It's when I bailed. My wife finished it. I bailed on it. I was bored with it by the end of it. It's sexy film, man. It is for a bit.
Starting point is 01:26:09 It is, yeah, it is. But then it's so, it's, it's kind of, predictable. Crystal DW fan. I think I wait for Captain Ford to come to streaming. Also, yeah, it'll probably be in streaming, like a month or so, right? Crystal, you're spent enough money to buy a ticket.
Starting point is 01:26:25 Yeah, but that's the point. I don't think it's a matter if she's talking about affording it. I think she just doesn't want to go. If somebody told me that, I would say, that's fine. I don't think. Yeah, you can wait for that one. You know, for sure, because you can, it'll be out in the next month or two.
Starting point is 01:26:42 it's not like you're like, oh, well, you're going to miss if you really want to see Thunderbolts and everything else. Yeah, so just wait. I don't think it needs to be seen on the big screen. It wasn't like the most amazing visuals. Al Rensha, someone suggested this movie should have been Sam forming the Avengers instead of having the leader. I would agree with that and loved Red Hulk. Maybe not just the whole movie, but maybe that's part of the movie, perhaps. Instead of having the leader mean?
Starting point is 01:27:04 Yeah. Instead of having the leader as a character at all? I guess so. But that who would the villain be? I guess that. That's the point. Maybe if you'd change it around. Remember, if you read that Vulture article, it was clear they wanted Ross to possibly be the villain in the movie as a representative of a certain president who likes red.
Starting point is 01:27:23 And so this is what their initial approach was going to be. So if they had kept that approach and him being, him trying to thwart Sam from creating the Avengers because of his issues with the Avengers in the past, that would have been interesting. Something crazy about that. Do you guys know that I'm doing movie fights tomorrow? about Captain of America that we're doing a screen. Are they bringing that back? Is that still happening? I have no,
Starting point is 01:27:47 I have no idea. I don't know if they're bringing it back, but we're doing an episode tomorrow. I'm fighting against Ellis. Oh, which I was like. How old year is this? I know.
Starting point is 01:27:56 I know. As I posted a picture of me and Ken from nine years ago on TV. Oh, wow. Good luck. Thank you. Crystal DW fan. Roxy,
Starting point is 01:28:06 learning what bullish means. It's so stinking cute. So I actually still don't fully get it. Can you guys use it in, more of a sentence. Bullish is just like like a bowl like aggressive. You're aggressive. You're stubborn. You're like I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm clear. It's usually used in stock market. It's like I'm bullish on this stock. Yeah. Like, I believe in this stock. There's no one that can talk me out of it. Wow. I always just thought it meant like I'm a little
Starting point is 01:28:28 hesitant about it. I don't, I don't see why you would go there at all. But Zeus Fleming. I watched twice in the theater. Ready. I really liked it. But I had to watch a second time to see what everybody was complaining about. Fair. All right. Um, S. Surprise at the Bafters with Conclave winning best film. Wow, it might be a dark horse at the Oscars. I don't think so. I don't think it has a shot in hell winning at the Oscars.
Starting point is 01:28:52 It's a British award show. They're going to give it the British-led film with fine. Fine. So. Yeah, I don't think. I think that Anora has a better shot of winning here. That is shocking seeing that come all. Yeah, Anora has got a good shot. Because I think the two
Starting point is 01:29:08 controversies have put it in the front. Probably. I love that. Do you think Wicked has a better shot than Conclave? Concliffe? Yes. At the Oscars, yes. I don't know. But I don't think I has a shot in hell at winning.
Starting point is 01:29:22 But you still think Brutalus is going to win or you now do think Enora is going to win? I still think Brutalus is going to win. But if Anora wins, I'm not going to go, wow. I'm going to be like, okay, I make sense with everything that's happening. I wouldn't be surprised. I'm just tired of watching all these Oscar pundits jump from movie to movie as if they thought it at first. It's the bandwagoning to protect their brand is just. so ugly to watch. I think it's adorable
Starting point is 01:29:44 that you watch any of that. Mild manor comic nerd. I enjoyed cap four. I didn't know cap four is a prequel to the Incredibles as well. Who knew Edna E. Mode was a guy with a smile. Come on. Come on. Come on. She overcame kidney cancer
Starting point is 01:30:00 at two years old. I know. Do your research on this. Be nice. Be nice. Nice. Ralph! Please sneak some non-comic book reactions like Ineception and Stellar or departed before jumping into X-mo with Sam, want her to react to other stuff. So the answer of that is probably not.
Starting point is 01:30:17 There's a lot of stuff that she's going to be watching, tons of it. But I'm also going to throw Tina and Sadie into the mix. Also, Tina's got Nosferatu coming out this Friday in the break with, you know, end game, which is right around the corner. Look at, look at that. Hey, look at the emotion. Did you watch Nosefatu yet? I've, it was for me, it was the second time that I had seen it.
Starting point is 01:30:41 Yeah. That bird scene has haunted me for a minute. Tina's face during that is I actually thought about you during that scene. Tina's face is hilarious in that thing. She makes some great faces throughout that. Holy. So, I mean,
Starting point is 01:30:54 yeah. But I'll get, I'll get Sam doing more stuff too, but I got to have, she's going to be like the, the common book movie one for quite a bit. Zeus Fleming. Great point,
Starting point is 01:31:04 John. I don't know what the point was, but I'm sure it was. It was great. Yeah, it was great. Big Bang. OT4.
Starting point is 01:31:10 Highly recommend Nickelboy. Such a great film. Did you find this see you, John? I did, yeah. It's an interesting film in terms of the perspective. Yeah, I understand why I was nominated. Okay. I understand.
Starting point is 01:31:21 Jack, the trailers killed the buildup to the third act for me. That's fair. Not a super chap, but just because it's proving me right, shaking big 28, Danny Ramirez was terrible. Yes, that just proved you right, but shake and bake said. Now we know, now we approve. All right, fine.
Starting point is 01:31:40 Galaxy Geek says, everyone who went with me liked him at all or didn't like him at all. So we don't know. So that could be for Roxy or for me. Crystal D.W. fan. Normally don't throw support for a Roca show. But since Roxy is here, I throw support to love you, Roxy and Roca, it's not too shabby.
Starting point is 01:31:56 A great show. Thank you. See what I mean. Come on. Appreciate you. Corn Emperor. He was a highlight of the movie for me. There you go, Rox.
Starting point is 01:32:04 Future. Prove me right. Yeah. Corne, prove me right. Thanks for the proof. Christian is right. Who is Rock's? That's how everybody
Starting point is 01:32:13 Starbucks spells my name. What? Yeah. Zeus Fleming. My girlfriend and I both love Ramirez. He got the majorities of the laughs at the theater we were at. True me right. Whatever.
Starting point is 01:32:23 I win. All right. Crystal thrown in some more support there. Big Bang OT4. What are your top three favorite films? That's always so hard for me to say. I'm not going to say the top three favorite, but what I'll say is I'll just think of the three that come to mind.
Starting point is 01:32:36 I'll think of three movies that come to mind is what I always say for this. And the three that come to mind right away, Empire Strikes Back, Braveheart, Eternal Sunshine, and the Spotless Mind. Those are the three that come to mine. Goodwill hunting, Princess Bride, role models. Great. I'm not giving you that for two bucks, but you'll get Citizen King. How dare you?
Starting point is 01:32:51 I know, go ahead. What a dumb bass. I don't even know what a dumb bass is, but that's you. You think dumb bass or dumb bass? I hanged me on the wall and I sing for him. The bass. It's like big puss in the sopranos. How dare you?
Starting point is 01:33:09 Jack, next Avengers. film coming too soon? Who leads them right now? Well, I mean, it looks like Sam's going to leave them. It's going to be curious because the guy who wanted them to lead them is now in jail at the raft. So will he listen to him? And who's the vice president, for God's sake? Where was he in the move? You make a great point. That's something that you're right. That, you know, they supported his whole treaty with Japan thing, right? So are they going to, are they going to also support the initiative to have Sam lead the Avengers? I assume that the answer would be asked. What do you mean next Avengers coming to soon, though?
Starting point is 01:33:40 Meaning that there's not enough build-up to it. And it starts shooting- Or to them forming? Both, I think. Yeah. Yeah. Crystal says, I don't believe the movie costs only 180.
Starting point is 01:33:53 I don't think anyone here does either. Yeah. Okay. Next one after that. Thank you, Crystal. Coming in hot here today. Larry, Cordowitz,
Starting point is 01:34:03 I saw Cap 4 and thought it was decent, but it was flawed. Good acting, action, CGI, but weird pacing and obvious story. still decent overall. I feel like I just wrote that. I feel like I wrote that. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. Why did you like it? I'm like, because I did, but it's obviously.
Starting point is 01:34:20 Yeah. Exactly. I left going, yeah, it wasn't terrible. I don't mind. Look, I left, I left the marvels going, ugh, I need to go. Same thing with, same thing with Thor, love and thunder. I was like, ugh. I feel like I'm going to do that when I rewatch quantumania, which I've only seen once. I didn't mind it when I saw it because I was like, I was a science fiction film. they did something different, but I knew people weren't going to dig that movie. I'm kind of not looking forward to watching that one again. So I think those are probably, like that one. I liked it when I saw it.
Starting point is 01:34:48 So I'm curious. I haven't seen it since. I want to go see how I feel when Sam and I do the reaction to it. Al Rensha, Tachala should be the leader of the Avengers, and that has snowballed. Sam wouldn't be asked to form the team as Tchala versus Adamantium would be interesting. Yeah, but he's got it. Even when Tachala, the character had not passed, he was, his responsibility is Wakanda, not the Avengers. You're not going to bring someone new in to be Tachala and to lead the Avengers.
Starting point is 01:35:14 There's definitely not enough time for that. Sam was so much more involved with the Avengers. Sam was put when after Civil War, Sam was put in the Avengers. Yeah, yeah. I don't think that Al is suggesting that Al's just saying that in general. It's a bummer would have been Tachala, which we agree or disagree with, but I think he's just saying and then that doesn't happen. I think the character of Tchala's responsible.
Starting point is 01:35:37 I think the character of Chalda's responsibilities are Wakanda, not to the Avengers. Bobby Jackson, the three of you together is my perfect version of the show. Thank you, Bobby. More of this, please. Bobby's so great always. He's one of my, Bobby's one of my favorite human beings on the planet. He's such a good, he's such a good dude. Yeah, I don't know, we could do this more for sure.
Starting point is 01:35:58 I mean, we just got to figure out maybe, maybe, you know what we can do is sometimes, maybe even if, because Roxy is usually on the Tuesday show, it's schedule-wise, but John's schedule's a little more flexible, so maybe we'll put, maybe we'll, you know, John can do two shows in a week and put them on the Tuesday show. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:36:13 Miguel, Zann. Cap four made me realize that I miss having a rage Hulk in Marvel movie. That's exactly what I said. Over under 30% we get Hulk movie in five years to book in Mark Ruffalo stint. Yeah, Jeff said this on,
Starting point is 01:36:25 I think you said this on the hot mic, that the rumors are that they are, Marvel is wanting to bring back the angry Hulk because people are, they sense that people are sick of Professor Hulk, and they want Hulk to go back to being Hulk smash. So I think that's going to be the point when we get into World War Hulk and all of that stuff, that they're going to bring back the angry or Hulk overall.
Starting point is 01:36:44 And maybe we've in Red Hulk at some point when Ross gets out of the raft. Yeah, I hope so. Five years are just kind of short. Yeah, I would say under because of the five years. Under. Yeah. You'll be ready by Secret Wars. He'll be rage Hulk again by Secret Wars for sure.
Starting point is 01:37:00 John, you might be right. Maybe you can hit that 300. You have 236 right now. You might break the record together. Roll and rolling, rolling. Kyle Wilson, this is like the fourth week in a row, Roxy's been over 200. Kyle Wilson, I enjoyed Cap 4 just fine, but I hated that they changed the MCU title card and theme. What say you all?
Starting point is 01:37:17 I didn't even pay attention to that, but everybody brought that to my attention. I loved it because it immediately was like, this is a 70s spy thriller in terms of its bones, but done through a 90s thriller perspective. So I thought that they, that Juliusona as an artist, understood what he was trying to reference for those of us who would catch it. So I liked it. The black and white. Yeah, I got to see it. I don't remember.
Starting point is 01:37:40 I don't remember. Bobby Jackson, have any of you watch Paradise with Sterling K. Brown yet? I've heard nothing but good things. My wife actually started watching is she, you know, it's hilarious as I don't know why.
Starting point is 01:37:50 My wife never rewatches like old retro things like by yourself. Like with me, we just watched for the first time for my daughter. We obviously had seen it. My, my oldest likes 80s movies. We watched Lost Boys with her last night, which is great.
Starting point is 01:38:04 Which is great. But, my wife's been watching Gilmore Girls for some reason. And I always never, never seen Gilmore Girls. And she's like, so I'm like, is she on TikTok? No. No.
Starting point is 01:38:15 She doesn't ever scroll on TikTok. Nah. She had an Instagram account and she got rid of it. Gilmore Girls is so popular on TikTok. Oh, is it? Okay. Interesting. But anyway, so Paradise, the answer to the question is Mike.
Starting point is 01:38:27 I feel awful about this because now it's like 10 people I've recommended this to me. And you've got to see it. That'll be the probably of the next thing. I just had to get there. Yeah. Lucas, support for the lovely Roxy. Oh, this is the, this is the, so lovely. Yeah, listen, we need intellectual comments on this show.
Starting point is 01:38:41 That's what we need. So Anthony Mackie chimes in, eat my ass. Thank you. Oh, Anthony, tell him. Thank you. Dancing Dog 60. Roka makes me wonder if race issues were originally in the script, because we knew this went through many reshoots,
Starting point is 01:38:51 have to see the original script. Let me just read that Volch article. It tells you exactly what they were going to do with it, and they had an idea that it was going to be a commentary on, because they thought a certain somebody was going to win that election. And when they didn't, they made adjustments. And so when it looked like she wasn't going to do it, then they made adjustments.
Starting point is 01:39:07 And I think that's what you see here in a Mishmash approach. You think that in November they were making adjustments on this? I think they've done reshoots throughout this whole situation. Look, Tom Hooper, I think the director, Tom Hopper, whatever's name is, he was still editing cats when it came out that weekend. So you just never know with these situations. I'm pretty sure they did the press screening. And then he edited after the press screen.
Starting point is 01:39:29 After the press screen, yes. So you just never know. Jalico. Yeah, never saw it, thank God. Jorge, Salvativa. Why not have Betty come down the Red Hulk instead? I thought that he was going to call her out. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:39:44 I said he was going to call out and he should show up. That would have been a great moment, but maybe they couldn't get the AI working for that one. Roman Fedorak, keep rocking rocks. Nice. He follows it up. Respect to Roker, even if we disagree at times. I love Roman. I really do.
Starting point is 01:39:57 That's the way everybody on the internet would react, but they don't. Roman, you got to train people on the internet. Crystal throwing us to some more sport. Dancing Dog 60. Low expectations helped me enjoy the movie. Same. That's fair. Same.
Starting point is 01:40:11 Big Bang OT4. Paradise is a great show. Hooked right away. Okay. I hear you guys. I'll do it. Hasrow 24. Did we see our future Wolverine in this cap for it?
Starting point is 01:40:22 Did we? Who would that be? No. Who would that be? I don't know. Is it adamantium? No. I don't think so.
Starting point is 01:40:30 I don't know what you're referencing. Not me either. Christian Medard. Cap 4 was all right. One time watched Friends didn't know who Isaiah was. Some comic characters should stay comic accurate, like the leader and gore. Yeah, I mean, comic accurate. I mean, I don't know enough about the leader to say whether it was accurate or not. Probably, I would assume it isn't. But yes, sometimes they should if the version that they do isn't good. You would not have expected. I think if you didn't know who Isaiah was for this movie, that would suck. Yeah. that's that was my point before you got they they're there you have to watch the shows yeah i mean the
Starting point is 01:41:07 if you do comic actor with the leader he's got this massive forehead and massive head it would have looked even goofier than this yes even goofy okay all right dennis hoffin rewatching falcon winter soldier post cap for like it more than the initial view macky and stan should lead the avengers movies their chemistry really greatly missed in cap i think you know you gotta realize this i think Sebastian Stan might say, guys, you know what? Use me when you want. But give me a break. I've been doing these things for like 15 years now.
Starting point is 01:41:38 Give me a break. Like, you know, use me in like, I'll do a scene. I'll do this. I'll be in the Thunderbolts, but I don't want to be. He's been in these movies since Captain America, for God say. It's heavily in Thunderbolts. He's heavily in this. But I mean, I'm saying after this, though, you know, like to keep using him to be, maybe he doesn't want to be in the lead anymore. I mean, look at it. The guy is making more of a push. being like he's nominated
Starting point is 01:42:00 almost two of his movies this year was it better man is that no it was the other one different oh different yeah different different man right different man and then the and then the apprentice those are two movies both those movies it's like he's the guys are really really good actor also um so I don't
Starting point is 01:42:16 yeah Chris people want to get that status to RDJ it's not RDJ it's Sebastian Stan that's an actor right RDJ is a good actor he's fine for the things that he won but he certainly was great and op it heimer. But Sebastian is the one driven by the artistic impulses, right?
Starting point is 01:42:32 And I saw somebody say, well, Robert isn't driven by money. How do you explain Doolin? So these are these things you look at. Younger, Downy, Downey at Sebastian's age, I mean, minus the you know, the issues and everything too. Three years ago. That's money. That's a money grab. Yeah, but still, he was still, but he's significantly
Starting point is 01:42:48 older than Sebastian's. Yeah, but I mean, Sebastian, I just think Sebastian has more of the artistic impulse than RDJ. Ever? Ever? Ever or now? Yeah. I think overall. Ever. I wouldn't catch Sebastian
Starting point is 01:43:01 standing back to school or on SNL. I'm going to disagree. I would disagree. There's a debate for another time. Larry Quartowitz, why wasn't Fury in Cap 4? Unless I'm misremembering how secret invasion ended, I think his involvement would help the film considering the themes.
Starting point is 01:43:17 I think that's the one show that they're going to retcon. Not not, not, not show is such a bummer. Yeah. Not officially retcon. Not officially retcon, but kind of, like, you know, if you don't really pay attention to what happened there, we won't either. They should drop it like, like they erased Willow. They should erase secret information off the service.
Starting point is 01:43:36 Yeah, like if Maria Hill shows back up again, people would be like, that's fine. Yeah, 100%. Yeah. Bobby, I watched part of, part three of Kobe Kai of the weekend. I was very happy with the way it wrapped up. Some great emotional scenes. My brother said the same thing in Aronzi says. Those three people that I, that I like.
Starting point is 01:43:52 It's so good, Christian. I mean, I heard the rejects covered it, and I was like working on one of their reactions. and they all three were crying. And I was like, what happened in the show? How could it? And then I watched it. I was like, oh, my God. All right.
Starting point is 01:44:04 I got to check it out. Nathan Drake, I saw Adobe and I plan to see it and I max next weekend. Okay. So a lot of these people are disproving my point that maybe there are a lot of rewatch people going to see this. Dancing Dogs. I'm curious to see what Avengers lineup will be for Sam to lead as he actually is the man to put the team together on order from the president. Yeah, I wonder, you got to go get Spider-Man. You got to have to have all stars.
Starting point is 01:44:29 You got to have some all stars. It's okay to have some new rooks, but you got to have all stars. And I don't want to see the Young Avengers being part of it. You got to have all stars. The former president from the former president. Yeah, former president. Jim one, love and thunder, Ant Man 3 and the Marvels all have 76 to 81 audience scores.
Starting point is 01:44:47 It's often unreliable as many who vote on Rotten Tomatoes just want to boost every MCU film. I mean, that's not unfair. Yeah. Yeah, that's not an unfair assessment too, where you know yeah flash had 80% on right this as well so right it all depends on if the marvel and by the way love and thunder made like seven hundred seventy five million dollars i think they'd be really happy if cap four does that yeah multiverse of madness made like almost a million dollars yeah it's ridiculous and that movie's not that good at all uh dancing dog 60
Starting point is 01:45:16 john carlo and fishburn are wasted in the mc u yeah you know it's he but i thought at least Fishburn had more of a character arc. You kind of knew, you know, his relationship with Hank and all those things. He's supposed to be in Thunderbolts, so we'll see. Okay. Jose Diaz, big fan of all three you guys. Saw Cap this weekend. I really enjoyed it.
Starting point is 01:45:37 Flood, yes, but damn, it doesn't deserve the hate it's receiving. I think all three of us agree with that. Agree. Yeah. Bobby's bringing this one up again. Sorry, I have to bring it up, but did you see the set photos of Masters of Universe with Nicholas Galazina as Prince Adam on Earth the Tower. Yes, I hated it.
Starting point is 01:45:51 They absolutely hated it. Crystal D every fan. I'm so excited. All the same. Wow. Yeah, yeah. He looks great. He looks great.
Starting point is 01:45:59 But he looks great as Adam. I just, it's not, it has nothing to do with the look. And the sword looks awesome. It's the stupid plot. It's awful. Crystal,
Starting point is 01:46:08 I'm so excited for Sam's reaction to end game. Yeah, it's tomorrow. It's already edited. It's loaded on the channel. It's coming out. What's not? A napkin? In the photo.
Starting point is 01:46:19 Oh, she's got tissues. She was, she was bawling. Paul like like like she's she was she was she was like she was morning she was really like it was it was it was tough for her um okay anthony colston i wish i got to watch live more thank you man been a fan forever roxy has been my favorite since tv fights in 2015 crazy out time flies that is pretty crazy i've known roxy over 10 years now 11 years now. Well, Roca, I've known.
Starting point is 01:46:50 She's the data's got to be. Almost 30 years. Is it 30? Oh my God. It's 20. It's 20. 90s. Yeah, 96 is when I met you.
Starting point is 01:46:58 I met you in 96. That's crazy. That's crazy. I was five years old. We have aged a day. We haven't used to. Nope. All right.
Starting point is 01:47:05 Anthony Colson. I wish I got told you. Did that already? Thank you, Anthony. Did you guys ever finish shrinking? Roxy did. Roga's never seen it. I finished season one and not finish season two.
Starting point is 01:47:15 The shrinking finale had me. Great. Oh, my God. And it's not finished shrinking. Tringing's coming back. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but season two did. Yeah. Holy crap.
Starting point is 01:47:24 I mean, I don't tell you how, how, like, we've talked to you, how, how, like, we've talked to you just talking about how you find, what's his face? Nicholas Galsine and sexy, whatever, too. What, who's, who's the, the lead? Jessica. Yes. What's, what's her name, the actress? Jessica Williams. Is that her name?
Starting point is 01:47:43 Jessica Williams. I met her, I think so. I saw her, I think at, yes, I met her at the Critics Trace Awards. She is beyond sexy. That's who you're talking about, right? Yes. Yes. She's so sexy.
Starting point is 01:48:00 So do you know her story at all? No. She had this like unbelievable podcast called Two Dope Queens. That was so popular. And then she became a megastar. Wow. From having this show. just really amazing. She's great. She's great. Good sense of humor.
Starting point is 01:48:16 I know people have worked with her, whatever. She's supposed to be, like, legitimately the greatest ever. She was very nice. When I met her at the critic's choice, very nice. I agree she's got that, like, sexy quality for her. Super sexy. Yeah. Yeah, it's cute.
Starting point is 01:48:29 Jim one. If Cap 4 has drops like Ant Man 3, it won't hit 400 million worldwide. Yeah, it depends. That's why I said week two is going to be the most important. It really is. Week 2 is the most important to see what kind of drop it's going to have. And John said it before, too, it's not a lot of competition. Mike Joyce gets a free super chat when you become a member, get one of them.
Starting point is 01:48:47 The main concern I had going in was that it would be absurd that the MCU president turns into a Hulk. They did in a believable way. I agree with that. Do you agree with that, Roxanne? I know you didn't love the Red Hulk stuff, but do you agree with that at least? Yeah, yeah. And it's not that I didn't love any of the Red Hulk stuff. It's just the stuff that looked the worst to me and could have had more fun with it.
Starting point is 01:49:07 Stood out. I understand. Dancing Dog 60. Honestly, seeing Ross recast me made me even more believe that Tachala should have been recast for Wakana forever. Fictional characters have to live on. So here's the thing, though, with that. Now, if they recast them eventually, I understand, but you have to understand where they were when they were doing that movie. They had a movie written that had Chadrick Bozeman in it.
Starting point is 01:49:32 He passed away when they were ready to start shooting. So you're now asking his close friend, Ryan Cougar, is. much as his director to then say, hey, you know what? I know that we need to do a movie. We need to get it done soon. Can you do it? Yeah, I can do it. Can you recast Tchala?
Starting point is 01:49:50 Yeah. No, I can't do that. It would break me up inside. I can't do that. So I understand what in. Now, down the line, I think it's time now. I think enough time has passed that you can recast them, especially with the multiverse angle.
Starting point is 01:50:02 But Roxy, where do you see this? I think this might not even be a fair comment, but also William Hurt was in his 70s. it was a different kind of it felt different to the audience being in your 70s is still very young I'm not saying that it's not but I know what you're saying though you make a good point yeah I think it was just such a different kind of shock
Starting point is 01:50:22 and also a different level of character and star in this I don't know anybody who in Dechalla died I don't know anybody personally who was like recast him right now I just was not the sentiment Um, yeah. Yeah. John Sam?
Starting point is 01:50:39 Oh yeah, yeah. Whatever Nate Moore says right now, it just don't believe him. It's, they're totally, they're going to recast. They're absolutely going to recast. Whether it'll be a variant or not, it's going to be a situation they discover down the road. But they're totally going to recast that character because people are now more open to it. Because you're right. It happened way too soon. People were not ready for the most part. I know there were some people who wanted him to be recast immediately because he's a very important character to the, to the black superhero community of fans. we understand that but I think people just need the time to process it we've had five years it's time to recast him yeah John's gonna have to stay on with me because there's no way we're gonna
Starting point is 01:51:12 we're I'm right now I'm right now one at 140 in the afternoons when they sent this one in my time and and we're not even close yet 261 questions overall so you guys have shattered you've been the record Bobby overall I liked cap honestly it just felt good being back in the MCU even with its problems felt like putting an old pair of comfortable shoes on love seeing Bucky and Sam together again. I love that point and I agree with that point. Yeah, wholeheartedly. Yeah, absolutely.
Starting point is 01:51:41 I don't know, John, maybe if you stay on to me, you do hit that 300. Amata, Cap should have had Isaiah help him fight the Hulk. That would have been great. Oh, yeah. And maybe that, he comes in and he saves him, but he realizes he got, he has a shot to actually kill the president this time and he doesn't do it,
Starting point is 01:51:57 you know, because he's got his wits about him this time. That would have been, that would have been pretty great. Yeah. More support for Rocks, you think. you, Crystal. Jake, excited for endgame reaction tomorrow. These reactions with Sam are the highlight of my week. Marini Impatient for Lord of the Rings. Yeah, she's having, she's having a blast man. And we really put, there's a, there's a full list of movies for her. I hope Lord of the Rings is kinder to her than it was to me. I don't want that heat for Sam. Yeah, well, we'll see.
Starting point is 01:52:22 You know, she actually, I asked her though, too, she's never seen a single episode of Game of Thrones, too, by the way. It's another one we might too. Um, Nathan Drake, is Christian hype for a potential Falcon solo movie with Danny Ramirez. That's not going to happen. That movie would fail miserly. Crystal, DW fan, support. Thank you. Green, Ford felt way too old. Really? I don't agree with that. We have an 81-year-old president. Yeah, I don't think, yeah, I don't think so. Bobby Jackson, in regards to Red Hulk in the promotion, I was reminded that the Red Hulk was spoiled early due to McDonald's happy meal tie in and the movie being pushed from its original release date. Maybe that's, is that what happened? It got spoiled through McDonald's or something? When that stuff happens, it's wild. It's the worst. I feel so bad. Crystal, sorry you didn't get on your vacation.
Starting point is 01:53:09 Yeah, so. You haven't said anything about that, Christian. So we're going tomorrow? We're going in two weeks. I got to talk to John about taking over in two weeks because I, my little one got sick. Right in the morning, right before we were about to leave. And we didn't want to get her on the plane. And the other thing is a big storm here.
Starting point is 01:53:29 It turns out it probably was the best because the flight we were supposed to take was the delayed by five hours. So we wouldn't have been there at time anyway. Were you guys supposed to stay in a hotel? Yeah. Do you get your refund on that? We were able to move. We were able to move to the date where we want to go.
Starting point is 01:53:46 So that's, so I was like, okay, you know what? I just figured let's just do it and I'll just work this week instead. Jose Diaz, missed opportunity in Brave New World that only had three countries involved in the treaty discussion. Should have had Wakana. Definitely should have Wakanda in there. I agree. Namor. The celestial should have had massive global impact. I thought that they were going to do, they kept referencing Wakanda.
Starting point is 01:54:10 They kept referencing and multiple times they referenced Ant Man too. So I thought that we were going to get something to do with Wakanda, something with Ant Man. I know. I agree. There was a lot of missed opportunities. Brooklyn, I just wish when Harrison Ford said you know Steve Rogers and Anthony Mackie would have said, well, you're no William heard.
Starting point is 01:54:29 When he called him, son, I was like, oh. snap. It pissed him off when he said it too. I like it. It pissed him off. Armada. If you could fix this movie, would you have
Starting point is 01:54:40 have this movie have been a bigger crossover event film or more of a condensed straight cap film without Hulk stuff? Neither. I wouldn't, I liked the condensed
Starting point is 01:54:52 straight cap film with Hulk stuff. I liked it. I just think it needed to be written and edited better and stick with your original plan. If you're going to make a political thriller, be a political thriller.
Starting point is 01:55:04 Thank you, Kristen. 263 so far. This is insane. Wow. By the way, you guys are, I knew that you guys together would be pretty, pretty, pretty nuts. Okay. Next one here. Now, John, on these matches.
Starting point is 01:55:19 Thanks, Crystal. Thank you. Now the question, John, is you going to do, you're going to do this tomorrow? Without Rox? I don't know. Without Rocks? It might be tough. Corn Emperor, Sam for Endgame. I can't wait. I love her reactions. Yes, she's, um,
Starting point is 01:55:31 she's a star for sure. Roxy and I knew it when we were when we were talking. Matt Sinister McCall. I give Cap 4, 65 out of 100. I have for the Gorge. I started watching the Gorge. I started watching it.
Starting point is 01:55:45 Not bad. I like it so far. I like both of them a lot. Cobra Kai and Baby Eagle this weekend. Writing Tank's Cap 4. What do you think is going on in the writer's room? I don't think that they really, I think that they just got nervous and started changing all a bunch of shit.
Starting point is 01:55:58 I say something. People stop, stop blaming the rights. Stop blaming directors. This is all on Kevin Feige. This is all. Really? Your altar and your hero and the Messiah. He is the reason all of this stuff is happening.
Starting point is 01:56:12 All right? Really? All of these changes that are happening are happening at way higher levels than the writers and the directors. Yes, it's absolutely fighting and Tiger. They are the ones making these changes, adopting on the fly, but they get pushed back on their heels and changing the narratives of these films. And these writers are being brought in to fit the narratives that are constantly
Starting point is 01:56:31 changing. That's why they did multiple reshoes. It's not necessarily because the film was bad. It could be because they wanted to change alter storylines because of the political ramifications. Remember, Iger came in and said, no more messages in our movies. No more messages, which is what Disney has done since inception, but whatever. So I just think this is
Starting point is 01:56:47 all Fige and Iger coming in and messing stuff up. Stop playing the creatives, man. You and Christian both said you didn't like the dialogue. You think that that's Faggy? I think Figey's telling them the scene, the overall stuff is supposed to happen. So yeah, I don't think, I don't think, I don't
Starting point is 01:57:03 Dialogue. Yeah, I I think it was right. I hear you and I don't disagree on what you're saying in general, but if you don't like the dialogue, look, I think, do I think that he got involved? Yeah, I think it's a mixture of both. I don't think I think it's just Fikey. Yeah, I just think that they get an unusual amount of hate versus Figerger who gets worshipped at the altars and it should be, but I hear you on the dialogue. Yeah, look. I think it's obvious
Starting point is 01:57:23 Isaiah had the gun up his butt. Maybe. I got to go back and rewatch because the gun thing still isn't clear to me, but I'm sure that there was a reason, but afterwards, Like, where are the guns coming from? Mike Joyce, would Roxy like Big Cahones more than big balls? I don't know, maybe. Maybe not, but we're not going to find out today.
Starting point is 01:57:38 No. Crystal DW fan. Thank you, Crystal. Derek coming in with a massive punch here. Can't watch today. That's your guy. And he hits another one. Boom.
Starting point is 01:57:52 Some more. Have a good show. Thank you. Derek. Crush in here. Just dropping and running. Bobby Jackson, I could see a scenario where Sam gets hurt so bad during a fight that the only way to
Starting point is 01:58:01 save him is by giving him serum or through a blood transmission from his eye. I hope that happens. I really do. I really do. Because then he carries Isaiah's legacy with him. Yes, exactly. Daniel Reyes. Theories. Isaiah Bradley initially died in jail before reshoots and think that
Starting point is 01:58:17 Secret Service woman was casting reshoots to replace Sabra's role. Wasn't she originally in much for? They were both in it. Oh, I don't, yeah, I think he's originally already in it. Daniel's theory. These are actual. Carlton Rudder, what's that man? London calling. We'll watch Cap tomorrow night, so we'll tune in after.
Starting point is 01:58:35 Great to see the lovely Roxy on today's show. Roca and Roxy has a good ring to it. Yeah, I mean, it's supposed to run this whole show together today. I mean, Roxy and Roca is good, too. That's good. Dancing Dog 60. Post-credit scene was basically the rehash of Luther from Batman v. Superman, telling Batman that something bad was coming. It was pretty weak. Oh, well. Yeah, I didn't mind it because it, you know, it set up the stuff that's coming, but I don't disagree with anybody who says like it's kind of like a...
Starting point is 01:58:57 And that was Luther. Yeah, true. That's true. Right. that I right Jonathan Garcia I don't know a lot about wrestling but has there ever been a wrestler who didn't stick
Starting point is 01:59:06 to the script went rogue in the ring so they didn't lose yeah there have been before and there's been there's been baches of finishes and stuff too but somebody who's like
Starting point is 01:59:14 wasn't supposed to do something that that's happened before yeah sure early in the early days not now you can't do it nowadays right Johnny venerable risk to include
Starting point is 01:59:26 phase four characters in Doomsday no he's again it goes back to writing. He's going to call them. He's going to call them, but they'll be in there. Yeah, Roxy, you jump when you need to jump and we'll just keep going. Bobby Jackson, I think it would be interesting to see how Sam would cope with having the serum force on him rather than take it really well.
Starting point is 01:59:47 I know. It's going to be interesting to see how big the threat is and how if they need it. I am Jack. You want to command AFN see if there's anything out. I just don't want to be rude to the people. If there's anything else that they specifically needed of rocks. I got to go through a whole bunch of them in order to do that. So what I'll do is, you know, I will, if there's something real big, I'll text you. Two more minutes, so let's keep going. I am Jack's 12.
Starting point is 02:00:09 Brave New World was Chapec era epilogue and like the era, meh. Yeah, fair enough. I am two fly cam. I asked my girlfriend to see this movie today. Spacely said the Marvel story is over in her head. She's a DC girl, though, even has a Batman poster up. Well, that would, you know, it's like, it's a Red Sox fan. Yeah, I saw the Yankees World Series.
Starting point is 02:00:27 I'm not going back to that. Zeus Fleming. Sam, not taking the Sierra, was my big. grape with the movie. Yeah, I wish I, I, I understand what they were trying to do, but I kind of thought he needed it. Um, Armada, kind of wish film had Sharon Carter, Banner and Zemo to continue the Falcon and Winter Soldier and have Hulk's fight. Also, adamantium could have been used for a suit for Isaiah or Sam. I like that they're holding off on the adamantium. Yeah. I think we're going to get so much of it once the X-Men come in.
Starting point is 02:00:52 Bobby, again, Bobby, the best. Where do we go here with Sam Cap? Do you think Marvel should do a season two of the show? Nah. To help try and put him over more or put him in the background in favor of Fantastic Four and X-Men coming? Now, he's going to have a big role in the Avengers movies and let them, let them have some bigger storylines there. It would be such a bad look for them to do a season two now and move him from the big screen to TV show. I think it'd just be such a bad look.
Starting point is 02:01:17 Armada, when is that DC movie Coy mentioned last week coming? What do you mention? I don't remember. I'm not sure. I don't know. You have to ask him on Friday. I'm not sure of which one he was talking about. Bobby, did any of you watch White Lotus?
Starting point is 02:01:31 I'm in already. So you watched it, Rocks, good? Yeah, I did watch it last night. I'll definitely talk about it next week, but I'm in as well. There's so many actors on this show that are like massive stars. It's crazy to keep up with this cast. Armada, Damon as Odysseus pick
Starting point is 02:01:47 is out. Hell yeah. I did see that, but we'll probably cover that on tomorrow's show, John. Yeah. Yeah. Afroboy Productions. The White House fight could have had a serious meeting through Cap realizing he's trying to save the place our ancestors were forced to build during slavery. I mean, there's a lot of different things.
Starting point is 02:02:03 Yeah, there's so much like they're done with the White House. There's a lot. Albert also says White Lotus, just bins the first two. I guess people are digging. I got to watch, I can go back and watch that whole series. There's two? Then I only watch one. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 02:02:16 Yeah, there's been two seasons. This is the third one. No, no, no. Maybe they were talking about the first two seasons. Al Rensha, Liv Tyler should have been at the final press conference, or they should have cut to Live and Ruffalo after phone call, or Liv should have come. down Ross. Yeah, I think we're all in agreement there.
Starting point is 02:02:31 But those are we in the film. Agreed. It's Crystal, again, pushing Roxy and Roka. Pretty heavily here. Bobby also coming in. I agree with what you're saying about Dylan from Severance. Every time they show him on, he's a silly dumbfounded look in his face or one of two words to say. Yeah, that's, he does. He does. And that's why you think he looks like Ethan? No. He said that when I first met Ethan, they, they have a similar look. Crystal. Thank you. I am Jacks 12. Given the serum, the movies,
Starting point is 02:02:59 work around using the suit, wings and thrusters, we're eye rolling at times. And some of those shield throws, yish, six out of ten. Yeah. I disagree. Disagree. The serum, everybody agrees he should be on the serum. I liked him using all the fucking devices.
Starting point is 02:03:14 Bobby Jackson, I'm taking Roka's advice. Since I'm off work today, I'm sending in support. Thank you, Bobby. Bobby's the man. You're the best. Matt Sinister McAll. I called 911 when I found out the leader was in. Let's be sure.
Starting point is 02:03:27 There he is. Um, okay, get some more there and we're approaching. I think we're, you know, we're still, we're still early 2 o'clock here. So, um, Julius Wyatt, how would you guys feel if a Nora does win best picture? I would actually be okay with it because I think that I, John and I have our, uh, well, well, I'll tell you what. Out of the three movies that are really in contention, I think the Amelia Perez is out. I haven't seen it and I watched a little bit of it. I already from starting watching it, I don't think it's going to be for me.
Starting point is 02:03:55 No. No. Um, I really, um, I really, enjoy the Brutalus for the first like the most of it. I didn't like the ending. I think Anora is the best movie out of the three of them. Yeah. Wow. I would not be surprised if it won, but I also could see the backlash. Brutalus just seems like the classic Oscar Best Picture winner. So we'll see, but it's clear that
Starting point is 02:04:17 Anora is picking up steam like crazy. I absolutely loved Anora. I'd be stoked that if it won. I still wish that Wicked would win, but I know that that's not a contender, really. Nathan Stowe. Christian, could you see Julia Roberts in the MCU. It's here or anything. But she actually was asked. She was actually asked about a comic movie not too long
Starting point is 02:04:34 ago. And she said that she would do it. She would, she would want to be in it. So she's doing more, she's doing more stuff. She's doing like this, a lot of the same is, you know, I'm telling you, she's going to be nominated for an Oscar for an Oscar this year. Tell you. Or next year, but for this year. Julie, it could be fun in the
Starting point is 02:04:50 MCI. I'm going to head out. I haven't seen sister wives. And I haven't watched the new Dexter series. I started scrolling ahead. Okay. If you guys needed anything for me. Okay. All right, Rocks, get out of here.
Starting point is 02:05:03 We'll see you soon. I'll let you know what the final. I'll let you know what the final total total is. Keep going. Keep supporting. Oh, you kick John? By accident. If I'm gone, you have to go.
Starting point is 02:05:13 Bye. Bye. Love you, Rox. You too. All right. Thank you, Rox. Thank you for her beginning here. Crystal throwing in that support.
Starting point is 02:05:22 You very well. You hit that about you guys. Anthony Colston. What is the worst post-credit scene? Cap 4 sucks. I don't think it was the worst though. The worst, I mean, depends on what, as far as that the Harry Styles thing means nothing. That was terrible. It means nothing. Yeah. I kind of hated the cap one, even though people liked it where he sits down. So you've been waiting a long time. Well, that's what I mean, though. There are some silly ones.
Starting point is 02:05:46 You know, the ants, the ant with the drums and stuff like that. There's some silly ones, but the question is like the ones that are really playing into the storyline. Yeah. Like, yeah, they had no clue what the hell they were doing with the Harry Stiles thing. Yeah, that was, yeah. Shelf presence. I agree about he man. Optimistically speaking, Marlon.
Starting point is 02:06:04 Lana is from Earth, yes. So if she had to leave to protect Adam and then he goes back to save a attorney, sure. But from what I'm hearing, man, they're not paying attention to that lore. That's the problem. That's the problem. Yeah. And I don't know why they do that shit. I really don't.
Starting point is 02:06:19 Green, what happened to Isaiah's grandson? That's another great cause. We didn't recover that. Yeah. Yeah, because he was such a big. role in Falcon and Winter Soldiers, not even mentioned. Patriot. Yeah, he's, but he's going to be a Young Avengers, so maybe there's saving him for that kind of stuff. Right. Young Avengers TV show, which thank God they're doing a TV show and not a movie. That would have been a major
Starting point is 02:06:36 error for them to do that as a movie. Mad Sinister Macau rank these five classic TV TV shows, four of them I love and one I hate. Stanford and Son, rifle men, all in the family, Miami Vice, and Little Outhouse. He hates. Um, hard for me to say, I don't, God, the only one I really remember i remember all in the family i don't know like the rick talks are so good you can go you can go because i don't remember them all well enough to be able to rank them miami vice number one all in family number two san francin son number three little house on the prairie number four and then rifleman five chuck conners was great but i wasn't the biggest fan of rifle okay i don't remember i don't
Starting point is 02:07:11 know what the hell that is uh let's say thank you and crystal aaronza i was just trying to be funny but it came all vulgar sorry for your feelings but christian explained what i meant perfectly thank you he's on with the with the the hot. I know, but I, I, I get what he wasn't, I don't think he was trying to be meaning. It's just so he was, look, it's also, if he's sitting around talking his buddies, he's like, I don't think it was necessary, but I understand what he was trying to. Jack Lewis. I thought the film was mediocre. Thank you, Jack. What a super, thank you guys. Everybody, thank you today. Luckily, the next three projects, Daredevil, Thunderbolts, Fantastic Four,
Starting point is 02:07:48 all look promising. Agreed. Fingers crossed, they can have a strong showing heading in the doomsday. they can no longer afford to coast off goodwill. So that's a point though there, John, the Jack makes it I think is really, really smart, right? Because this movie, let's say it hits that 500, it breaks even or costs them 100. Let's say lose overall that we never know. They lose $150 million off.
Starting point is 02:08:11 But let's say Thunderbolts critically is beloved, and it does very well. Daredevil does very well, and the fans love it. Fantastic Four Crushes. They said, we got it done. We did exactly what we wanted to do. We had to reshoot the hell out of that movie, but we put it out there.
Starting point is 02:08:27 It did just as good or better than we wanted it to. And now we're cooking with gas. So what do you feel the same? Yeah, I mean, I saw Rob Lefeld's tweet, which made me a frustrated. He was like, Marvel on a downslide. And it's like, Jesus, Fige, you should have taken a picture with this grousing guy.
Starting point is 02:08:42 Because it's nonsense. We're about to go into possibly a second golden age of Marvel if they nail Daredevil Thunderbolts and Fantastic Four right into Doomsday and the two Avengers movies and if we get a Doctor Strange or Spider-Man 4 like there's a lot that can happen here and I don't know how Ironheart is going to be I hope that's good.
Starting point is 02:09:01 So we could have ourselves a hell of a golden age coming back here for Marvel. So this downslide will go right out the door, you know? Yeah, a little more, Crystal. Thank you. Matt Sinister McHale, Derek Johnson, can you give me $2 for Starburst? I don't think he's here right now.
Starting point is 02:09:18 Crystal, thank you. It's your own show, Matt. I know, for real. Oh, I have to give a shout out real quick to Carrying Cross, who flew in, he flew in just to do Matt Sarah's show. He flew in, came in and he talked about it on the show. So I'm not saying he like, he forgot it was Valentine's Day when he came in to do it. He had to fly right back to get back, you know, because he had plans. So he had to go back.
Starting point is 02:09:41 Scarlet waiting. Yeah. So he came in and I liked him beforehand. That dude is awesome. He's a good guy. He's a good dude, man. I really like carrying across a lot. And you guys should watch his interview with Matt tomorrow.
Starting point is 02:09:54 They got along really well. It's a good, it's a solid interview. Trey Porter, thoughts on the NSL, Saturday Live 50-year anniversary special. I didn't watch it. Did you watch it, John? Yeah, I watched it. I thought it was okay. I thought it was fine.
Starting point is 02:10:05 I think these guys haven't worked together. And so you can tell there's a lot of wonkiness and timing and comedic stuff. But it was still great to see everybody. That was a lot of fun as a nostalgic thing. Did you lose your mind? Yeah. Did you lose your mind when Ryan Reynolds popped up in the audience? Oh my God, especially because Blake was there right next to him.
Starting point is 02:10:24 Did you see the bit? Being casual about it was such an asshole move. I don't people say, oh, it's funny. It's an asshole. Did you see the clip of Kevin Costner from that? No. So go and watch that clip. Someone pointed this out.
Starting point is 02:10:39 Kevin Costner is not amused. Yeah. He is staring dagger. Not only is he steering daggers at Ryan Reynolds. he then looks over to see what Blake Live is. He's going like this. Go back and look at Kevin Koster's reaction. Yeah, you got to check it out. Matt Sinister McHale.
Starting point is 02:10:58 William Henry Harrison is the worst president ever. Who is that? From which movie? I think that's the 1900s. He's talking to real presidents. Oh, okay. Sun Tzu. Yo, gang.
Starting point is 02:11:11 That was a shit design for the leader in cap. He looked like a bloater from the last of us. Yes, he did. 100% 100%. I can't believe Marvel passed that off design. That's great. That's great. Crystal, yeah, I'm picky of movies I see in theater since I have a damaged lung, dump COVID.
Starting point is 02:11:29 I only go out from films I'm excited for it. That makes sense. That makes sense. Thank you, Crystal. Crystal has gotten you guys, well, everybody has, but John, you're 25 away from 300. That's never happened in the history of this show. Crystal. Yeah. again uh simon section i liked tommy lister junior as the president in fifth element because it played against type tony lister yeah tony lister right did you know there were two actors that played
Starting point is 02:11:55 president in nolan's uh the dark night what who played the president there was a president in the dark night when was the president i think are you thinking the mayor yeah i think you're thinking the mayor yeah they know did they have the president no no the mayor was um was nester carbenal yeah um yeah uh j k case gifted 10 memberships. Oh my God. Thank you, DJ. That's amazing. You guys are crushing today. Really appreciate it. Crystal, again, thank you. This is from Jenny Lynn. Hi, Jenny. My sister's celebrating her five-year remission from breast cancer today. Thank you for the last. That's amazing. I'm so happy to hear that, and that's really great to hear. Wow, positive vibes in here today, John.
Starting point is 02:12:36 I like it. Loving, loving the positive vibes. Oh, speaking of positive vibes, the pout law. Look here, folks. Roses or red, violets are blue. I see. slept with your mother and your father too. Thanks, everyone. I love you old manly. Yeah, I don't, you know, I don't pick, I don't pick and choose. Crystal D. If I can hurt you with both, I will.
Starting point is 02:12:56 Milder coming. I'm so sorry. I apologize to all you. I enjoyed her performance. I didn't have any issue. She just reminded me of Edna. Please put me in time. No, it's okay.
Starting point is 02:13:04 Put me in time out or keep me out of this or so I'm so I don't, don't know. It's all right. You just give me shit. That's okay. Shea Markell. Hey, everyone. Good to see. You are doing well.
Starting point is 02:13:13 Thank you, Shay. impression. Everybody coming in here today because of the holiday. Dave Mac, Rogan, disagree with your punk take the other week saying he's doing what he complained. Rock did in 2012. Rock was once a year. The punk is full time. What does you say? No, punk is full time. Wait, Rooka disagree with you.
Starting point is 02:13:27 Oh, yeah. Go back. I go back. He's saying that Punk complains. Did you say that he's doing what he complained? Yeah, because, yeah, I hear your point, but punk is not at the top of the ticket, right? And so he's wanting to be at the top of the ticket.
Starting point is 02:13:40 And I don't think that's necessary the way to go. And I love punk, so I would normally advocate for it, but I just don't think it's been set up correctly. John Brady, you and Roxy both picked over 80 million from my box office question last week, three-day total, 88.4? You won the first game?
Starting point is 02:13:54 Game two is red light, green light. That's good. I got, now I know that reference. Yeah. I'm on, I got to get to episode three of that show. We are, again, we're doing pretty good here, almost, we're about the 240 area. We're 23 away, though, from 300.
Starting point is 02:14:12 Just letting you guys know. Yes. Tetronin, 9101. I love you guys. Thank you. Some more support. Thank you. And then Dave Magnet, Rock's knowing now that Dexter was your jam, you must binge the new series, it just finished with so much fun. Season 1 vibe, such a welcome surprise. Yes, she addressed that before too, but I hear great things about that show. They're prequel.
Starting point is 02:14:29 Heard great things. Tetrona 9101. How was the Red Hulk compared to your expectations? I think it delivered. Yeah. Yeah. I like that it delivered. And then RQMD, S&D.
Starting point is 02:14:38 Support for Roxy. Great show today. Thank you so much. Yeah, it was a great show today. Thank you. J&B support for lovely Roka and Roxy, Christian F fan. Steph D. Gostini,
Starting point is 02:14:49 all-star team right here. My time to shine a little post of the Cavill is a role, is up for a role in Marvel's Nova. Thoughts. I don't know, though. I'll tell you why I'm not, and there's nothing against my time to shine hello. I don't know anything about the people over there,
Starting point is 02:15:03 but they reported on something that, that Mara Jade is having a series. It's not true. That is not, that's not accurate. It's not even close to accurate. So I do this now. I'm not to say that there's something that aren't coming true, but I do,
Starting point is 02:15:17 I do this. I do this. I think they're throwing a lot of stuff at the wall. Yeah. Yeah. Support, support. Thank you, Crystal. Crystal's throwing a lot of support here today.
Starting point is 02:15:26 As she does for the Roxy shows, you got lucky here, John. Dave Mac, Christian, what's a great movie you love, but love the score or more? Oh, that's, we didn't talk about that.
Starting point is 02:15:35 I did not, you and I are going to disagree here on this, because I saw you're out of the theater reaction. I thought the, the score in, Captain America, Brave Role, was absolutely completely misused, not, did not work the right way. And it was, it was, it was jarring at times. It was, it did not fit what they were trying to.
Starting point is 02:15:53 It was almost like, they were trying to manipulate. Like, they're like, oh, here's a hero theme. Feel inspired. And it's like, no, just, just let it flow natural inside of it. It was, it was overbearing to me. I didn't, I did not like the score at all. All right. That's fair.
Starting point is 02:16:06 I liked it. I thought it hit the right notes. And when it was jarring in terms of the harder edged moments, I thought it worked really well and trying to get it across. But I hear what's a movie? Is this from Dave Mack? What's a movie you love? But you love the score more.
Starting point is 02:16:19 Oh, that's tough. Mine is interstellar. Love the movie, but can't live without Hans Zimmer's genius. I mean, I don't know if I love the movie. It goes hand in hand. I mean, like, because I love the score to Eternal Sunshine and the Spotless Mind,
Starting point is 02:16:30 but I love the movie. I love the score of Braveheart, but I love the movie. I love the score to Inception of the movie. So I don't know if it's a score that I love more. I'll tell you what movie, what score I love more than the movie itself, because I don't love the movie. Um, Ridley Scott's Robin Hood. The movie is not good.
Starting point is 02:16:46 The score is incredible. Yeah, yeah. A great score. Mine would be the invisible man. I think Benjamin Wolfish's score is incredible. And I love that film, but that score is even better than the film. Got it. Mears him.
Starting point is 02:16:59 You guys watch White Lotus. Roxy did. Roque and I know. Shea saw cap four yesterday. I can barely give it a three out of five. It was fine. Just didn't get hooked until Celestial Island and Red Hulk. Decent Islam, though.
Starting point is 02:17:11 I think that's what. is going to get a lot of people going, it's fine, because the ending delivered to me. Yeah. The ending delivered. Simon, thank you, Simon. Cry little sister. It's thou shone off. Come to your brother.
Starting point is 02:17:23 I'm telling you, I was singing that last time. My wife looked at me like, it was crazy. Unchaming him, my sister. I always thought it was Chinese sister. There are other ones that there's a lot of those lines sometimes we think. Everybody still thought it was in that one song. Mama say, Mama say, Mama Sam, Mama, Sam, Muaku's not what he says. He says, I'm going to say it.
Starting point is 02:17:39 I'm going to stop. I'm not going to stop, is what he said. Jimmy J, listening to you three driving from Montreal and NYC. Whoa. You're on my neck of the woods. He's safe drive, Jimmy. Safe drive. Paul Marquez,
Starting point is 02:17:50 I really love Captain America. I know it's not perfect and high beautiful rocksy and the amazing trio team. Thank you. I'm glad that you really enjoyed it. I love that. Shea, Cap 4 has me thinking. I've been looking at the Infinity Saga through rose tinted glasses.
Starting point is 02:18:01 I don't know. I'm just so shocked at how much I don't connect with Marvel anymore. Maybe I'm the problem. No, I think you're necessarily a problem. I think a lot of people are feeling that way. Yeah. I think it's been an uneven couple of phases or phase of a half.
Starting point is 02:18:12 And so I think you're allowed to feel this way because a lot of people do feel this way. But they hope they live in hope that they'll figure it out. And so hopefully of the next three projects, they will. Brooklyn. I had a dream. Me and Roka rode a jet ski together. That's awesome. Has row 24 has Roxy watched sister wives on TLC thoughts?
Starting point is 02:18:29 Didn't she answer that? She did address that. Yeah, she didn't. Okay. Okay. Let's see. So we're winding down here. Winding down. Sebastian Gonzalez.
Starting point is 02:18:37 I love the movie and Danny Ramirez's performance is great, but I think he resonates with me at my age. That's fair. That's a good point, too. Good point. Guitar Sparta, do you think the movie would have played better of Red Hulk was a secret, seeing the movie structures reveal when it was already over to advertise? Yeah, I do.
Starting point is 02:18:51 And I think they were trying to mark it on it to get people in the theater to go see Hulk. But yeah, I agree. Especially when you don't see him until like, yeah. Yeah, I think they should have waited. Corn Emperor, Sam's on your left was heard by all Avengers. He's the new leader. There he is. Shea Markell.
Starting point is 02:19:07 I like that Sam is different than Steve, but I feel this one was missing that strong stoices. him he had. My favorite Sam was him at the end sitting at the hospital, still communicating for more of a leader. Yeah, that was, I think John, you brought that up too, right? That scene was the best scene between both of them and I think in general, yeah. But I think also people
Starting point is 02:19:24 didn't understand. Remember, Cap's been alive for about 70 years longer than everyone else. So like, he's got that age on. He may look that old, but he's got that age on him. So Chris Evans played him that way. Sam is different. Sam comes from a different, completely different time, a more current time.
Starting point is 02:19:40 And so he hasn't had that age. of years to invest in the character overall. So it's a different approach. Brooklyn. Roke, is there new geek buddies today? Good question. There is. Tonight at 6 p.T. We are doing our review of Captain America, Brave New World, live on the Outlaw Nation channel. So come and regale us with your thoughts there as well. Christian Medaar, the leader's plan wasn't bad.
Starting point is 02:20:04 Can't see Sam leading Avengers. I felt Isaiah should have fought Red Hulk with Sam. I could see Hawkeye leading the Avengers. It's the same thing. Jeremy Renner's done, man. He's been doing this for one time. I know that Anthony Mackey has too, but it's different. Anthony Mackey, it's a chance to be in the leadership position.
Starting point is 02:20:19 Al Rensha, I miss having the four-man crew from Ant-Man. I do miss the, they were missing in Quantum Mania, T.I. and, um, yeah, and, and David Dalsmalsh. Yeah, it's much. Yeah. Chey Markell, I absolutely think it is a poor choice for him not to take the serum. I won't get into it, but it's a trope, I believe, is tired.
Starting point is 02:20:37 I think a lot of people feel like he should take the serum. Hey, it's probably too late at this point, but Luke, if you're able to do a poll, you should have done a poll. Should we think Cap should have taken the serum? Orange Grove 55 between K-Jama, K-pop, shows like Squid Games. It feels like South Korea is crushing it right now in entertainment. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:20:57 Armada. Coy mentioned Black Hawk, DC movie last week. Oh, okay. I don't know. I mean, we have to ask him what the deal is when he comes on because I haven't talked to him about it at all. Is it a Spielberg one? Maybe. Shane Markell.
Starting point is 02:21:09 I love how Cap used the shield kind of differently than OG Cap. Him using his thrusters and turning the shield into a batting ram was awesome. I agree with John. I mean, there's some couldn't. Yeah. I liked it. Yeah. Here's Roman.
Starting point is 02:21:21 Worst comic book movie casting. Worst? For me, it's Malin Ackerman in the Watchman. In Watchman. Oh, wow. I did not buy her as Sally Jupiter for a second and just didn't bring the right, just the right strength and levels and complexity. of that character. So I didn't like, I thought
Starting point is 02:21:41 that was the worst one. I can't even think. I don't know. I have to think, I'd have to go through them. Hallie Barry and Catwoman, Dolfe Lundner. Oh, that Hallie, Hallie Barry. But that's also the writing too. At the Marvel movies, I'll say this. I like her as an actress. I like her as an actress. And maybe, no, not Hallie Barry. I'm going to say the one I'm about to bring up here now, too.
Starting point is 02:22:03 But, and it's not because I have a, you know, that I know Katie Sackoff, think Katie Sackoff would have been a better Captain Marvel than Bree Lars. How dare you? I'm telling you. I do. How do you play favorites? I'm playing favorites because I think she would have been a better Captain Marvel.
Starting point is 02:22:19 Where would you put body? Where would you put Bonnie? Philly G. How did Sam's hands not break when he stopped the flagpole when Ross swung it? Did I miss something? I know that's what I mean. He got a question. You got to get that serum.
Starting point is 02:22:31 You got to get that serum. I'm telling you. Crystal. Buy Roxy. Have a good day. Catch you Wednesday for the World Girl Show. Amazing show. All sorry.
Starting point is 02:22:36 Mike, hopefully you won't get mad. Mike's going to jump through the one. window. Oh yeah. Oh, yeah, because of he every week, the look, the look of defeat that hits his face before we even start when I tell him that Roxy's hit the 200s. Now we're almost at 300. He's going to lose his mind. D2. Roxy is right. Torres was funny and not annoying. To you, she's not here now, so I went. Uh, Nancy Dog 60. There's a scroll on the MCU has all the powers of the heroes in end game. Fury could have sent her to help Sam out, secret invasion establishes. Yeah, I'm telling you, Secret Vision has to go away.
Starting point is 02:23:10 You're never going to see Amelia Walker, whatever name is. Tyler's trying to push you to 300. Let's go, Tyler. About 17 away. Joseph Wood, first super chat. Thank you, Joseph. Saw Cap 4, enjoyed it. Doesn't deserve the hate.
Starting point is 02:23:22 Yeah, I don't know why it has hate. Like, mediocrity, sure. Simon section, the two actors, Morgan Freeman, Deep Impact. Oh, yes, he's great in Deep Impact. Tony Lister's Thelman didn't mean in the Dark Night. I meant their careers. Oh, I see. Like two Perry Whites and Thurieman.
Starting point is 02:23:37 Oh, right, right, right. No, he does not say, Mama, say, Mama, say, Mama's Hugger. No, he doesn't. He says, I'm going to look it up. He does not say, Mama, say, Mama, say, Mama, Sam, Mama, Sama, he says. He says, I'm going to say it. I'm going to stop, and I'm not going to stop. That's what he says.
Starting point is 02:23:53 I am two-fly cam. There's a president in the third Nolan Batman. Is your friend telling you anything about Lucasville movies? No, no. He is not. No, he is not. I really think Ray Movie doesn't happen. First of all, I wouldn't ask him anything because,
Starting point is 02:24:06 risk his job. I'm not going to, I'm not going to bother him with those questions. I want him to be, I want him to be focused and I'm trying to make the movies better. I'm not going to ask him about things. So no, I'm not going to ask him to for anything. Plus, yeah, I wouldn't want him to get in trouble. Okay. And I think
Starting point is 02:24:22 the right movie's going to happen. I think it'll happen. I think that they pushed, yeah, I don't think she's going to direct it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I don't think she's going to direct it, Chenouye. But, Sun Tzu, carrying across is Jesse the body of voice impressions are funny your shit yeah it was the first thing john asked me if if um if he did it and
Starting point is 02:24:41 matt asked him about jessie ventura and we talked about but he didn't go into the impression and if we would have asked him to do it he would have but i didn't want him to feel like he was a jukebox you know right right pascal 420 sup guys this saturn another special was great there's a lot of good sketches i sent you both to um qtis i don't know qtis what's that quick times maybe i don't know quote tweets quote tweets Sandler's Saturday in Life 50 history song and Tom Hanks in Memorial to cancel and tasteless jokes of its past so good
Starting point is 02:25:12 yeah I've been fast forwarding past a lot of the things because I want to watch the special yeah so I haven't really watched a lot Joseph Wood Harrison Ford Eagles great I love the shows listen daily thank you Joseph really guys thank you everybody we've never we've had between 9100 and 1,300 people watching live the whole time here today
Starting point is 02:25:29 it's been great Roman Fedorik I asked because I was watching Batman be Superman on TV did not like Eisenberg's portrayal of Lex Luthor, glad he's back with real pain, though. He did a good job of directing that, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. But not a great Lex Lerluter. Mike Joyce, why didn't they fly in their suits to Camp Echo 1?
Starting point is 02:25:48 Oh, because they didn't want to be detected, I imagine. Yeah, probably. I would imagine, yeah. Grimbeer, 13, member for two months, thank you. I don't think Sam should take this here. I think he should be more of a field commander than in the fight with the big guns. Yeah, but they're not going to do. If you're Anthony Mackie, you want to be in the fight.
Starting point is 02:26:03 For sure. This is the last one for now. Okay. RQM, DSMD, sending support for 300. Look, 288, I think John will take it. I think you'll take it. Shattered, shattered the record here today. John, give a big plug me and what's going on with your channel.
Starting point is 02:26:21 Come on guys. If you want to follow me on social media, it's at the Rokazzo on Twitter, Instagram, and Blue Sky. And my YouTube channel, YouTube.com slash John Roka says, all the reviews, reactions, geek buddies, the hot mic, the Jedi way, all of those. that happening there. The geek buddies tonight live at 6 p.m. BT, do an hour spoiler review of Captain America Brave and New World live. Come join us, please.
Starting point is 02:26:42 You got one more here. Hey, Shay. You make a great point, Roker, but I think the Avengers needs a stoic leader. Think about your time in the military, but I would not feel confident, employing if my commander acted like Sam. I think I'd be just fine with Sam by the end of them. Maybe so. Tetrona 9101. Keep it going. Favorite music biopics film? Oh, man. John, go ahead. This is your I love the walk the line, of course. I dig the doors from Oliver Stone with Val Kilmer there. I think a complete unknown is absolutely fantastic as a biopic film.
Starting point is 02:27:17 I think those are three right now that jump to mine in my mind. What about you, Christian? Do you have anything in your head? I love the doors. I really like complete unknown for sure. Ray, it's pretty good. Oh, Ray's good. Yes.
Starting point is 02:27:29 Ray's pretty damn good. I'm trying to think of the other ones that. I like Bohemian Rapsin. I like it. I really like it a lot. I've seen it twice. La Bamba is one that had the door yet. The doors.
Starting point is 02:27:41 Of course. The doors I love. Yeah. All right. There you go. Rocket Man. Rocket man is good. Rocking man is underrated. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:27:50 Rocking man is super underrated. Elvis is good. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Some really good ones. Anyway, all right, listen. Thank you guys for being here today.
Starting point is 02:27:59 John, thank you for sticking around a little longer. Thank you. I'll see you back here tomorrow. Yeah. All right. So John, we'll be back in tomorrow. Thank you guys. Apple Podcasts, Spotify, anywhere podcasts are found.
Starting point is 02:28:08 Thank you to Roxy. Thank you to Roca. That's it, man. We got a lot of things going on. As I mentioned, we are going to be putting up the end game reaction. That is tomorrow. Make sure you check it out. Go there, support it.
Starting point is 02:28:22 Sam is on Instagram, by the way. You can go to Sam React's NY. We're trying to get her to 2,000 followers now. She's already over around 1,500, which is great. Thank you for all the support there. We got one more question here, too. The Roka and Roxy show for 300. Thank you, Corn Emperor.
Starting point is 02:28:38 Listen, 291, they'll take it. I don't think anybody's touching that for a very long time, although I didn't think anybody was touching 240, but hey, there you go. Maybe when we do the Superman, spoiler discussion, we'll be here for five hours. But thank you guys for being here.
Starting point is 02:28:51 I really do appreciate it. As I said, I got a lot of things coming out this week, and I appreciate all the support and everything. So thank you guys. Really, really appreciate all your support. Let me back here to my mom. tomorrow with myself and John Roka. Again, two days for Roka. So thank you. We'll see you again. Bye, bye, bye, bye.

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