The Kristian Harloff Show - CATASTROPHIC UFO DISCLOSURE?! Could we handle it? Will it happen? Should it?

Episode Date: December 19, 2023

PATREON: Become a Patron!: https://www.patreon.com/TheBigThingShow T here has been a lot of news within the UAP, UFO phenomenon as of late. The taboo and the stigma surrounding years upon years of ridicule, seems to be fading slightly. With both Senator rounds, and Schumer, the gutting of the disclosure bill has starting to be covered more more by mainstream media. More people have been talking And interviews that David Grusch has given with various outlets, such as Joe Rogan, Tucker Carlson and others are starting to get the word out more about UAP, and what it all means. It doesn't change the fact that this bill would have way more disclosure had it passed in its original form. There have been many who are now saying that leaked disclosure will lead to catastrophic disclosure. What does that actually mean? Is it something that is necessary? Is it something that should be feared. Kristian Harloff and Mark Reilly are back for UAP Tuesday to share their thoughts on the subject.  #UAP #UFO #UFONews IF YOU ARE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE SHOW! AG1: If you want to take ownership of your health, it starts with AG1. Try AG1 and get a FREE 1-year supply of Vitamin D3K2 AND 5 free AG1 Travel Packs with your first purchase. Go to http://www.drinkAG1.com/BIGTHING ROCKET MONEY: Stop wasting money on things you don't use. Cancel your unwanted subscriptions – and manage your money the easy way – by going to http://www.RocketMoney.com/THING DRAFTKINGS CASINO: Download the DraftKings Casino app NOW and sign up with promo code BIGTHING and play FIVE DOLLARS to get ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS IN CASINO CREDITS! That's promo code BIGTHING

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Cummage is a registered trademark of Cummins Inc. Graham and Hemmy are registered trademarks of FCAUS LLC. What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to UAP Tuesday. As you saw in the title of this video, what exactly would be catastrophic disclosure? You keep hearing that, catastrophic disclosure. What's it going to be?

David Grush is everywhere now talking, right? But there are more people talking. There are people that were part of the government. There were people that were in certain programs. There's more and more people, and more, I'm noticing. more and more people that used to go, are now saying, what's this?

What's going on? Because there's a lot of people covering it now. And there's a lot, and I've seen a lot more mainstream media covering it now because of what has happened, as much as, as tough as we were, and still are, rightfully so. On the mainstream media,

if we're not covering it as much, there's more things that are popping up. And I think that some mainstream media outlets are being forced to, because other places are covering it, and now they realize we might have to cover it now because they don't want to lose out. That's at least my take on.

There's a lot of different things we're talking about. What exactly the would be catastrophic disclosure? Is it more whistleblowers? Is it more video? Like, what is it? Hit that button right there. Subscribe to the channel. We want this conversation to keep going.

We ain't stopping. We don't want you to stop, and more people should be coming in on this conversation. and it seems like it's happening. It doesn't seem like it's going away. So myself and Mark Riley, we'll get into it here today. It is the big thing. It's UAP Tuesday.

Let's do it. Welcome back. Ladies and gentlemen, it is UAP Tuesday. Big thing. It's myself, Christian Harloff, Mark, Yodius Riley. Hey, good to be here.

I'm glad that the mainstream media is listening to us. It's just us. Just us. They went, we gotta check out this big thing. That's true. So it's funny you say that because there's a lot of different, and as we've talked about it, what I've noticed inside of this conversation in general, and it's what you've brought up, it's what a tag.

Peter's brought up. It's like it is the one topic, and many people, David Grush said this on a few different shows too. It's the one topic that if it was possible to unify the human race, it was a disaster that we are right now. Right. It is the one topic that seems to be like, okay, maybe we're not as big as we thought we were, and we need to actually be together in order to do this because you saw a bit of that at the hearing, right? Yeah.

You saw that at the hearing when it was like people from both sides. It didn't seem like they had any opposing problems except let's feature what's going on. What are these guys telling us and what are they not telling us to other people. So what I've noticed, and the reason I bring that up to is, again, Say what you want. I don't say it outright. I'm not a Tucker Carlson fan. I don't.

I think he's done more damage to, regardless of politics and regardless of, I just think he's done a lot of damage. A lot of mainstream media has done, but he's done a lot of damage. Yeah. But I will say, I thought his interview with David Grush was fantastic. I thought it was fantastic. I thought he asked the questions that people, because he didn't, because if I would have tuned into him for the very first time, minus a couple of things.

And there's a couple jabs he took of people here and there. I would have said, who's this guy? He's interviewing this. He's trying to get to the bottom of it. Yeah. That interview. No, and that's fine. And that's good because I think that he is, he's also looking for ratings.

Dude, he got five million people to watch that. Correct. You know, because he did get kicked off of Fox News and rightfully so. And so he is trying to build a new brand, so speak, a new following. So I'm glad that he was able to do it. I puked in my mouth a ton of times watching it, because I do not like Tucker Carlson at all. I totally get it, but what you can say, though,

is that he brought five million eyes to the topic. That's where I'm gonna be fine with it. That's what I'm saying, because this is where the bipartisanship of it all comes in, and that's what I start with. And there would be people like, I'm not talking about the, I don't give a shit. You like him, great, good for you.

I don't, he doesn't. It doesn't matter. The point is, what I do, and I'm not gonna say like, oh, well, you shouldn't have done the interview because he stinks. He did do the interview. I'm glad he did because he got five million people to watch it,

and he got people talking about it. And I do think it's one of the reasons that more people started covering. You're like, oh, he's covering it. He got five million views on it, and this is a competitive thing that happens. And I'll also say people that I saw, I had a conversation with someone today. And it was someone that I would have conversations with him, like, oh, you and that, UAP stuff and the UFO stuff. You know, you're looking for Bigfoot next.

Said something along the line. Today said to me, you know, I'm paying attention to it. Yeah. And I have to be honest. I'm paying attention to what's going on. I saw it in the news. And I saw it because what did we say?

Main stream media news covering it. Ding, ding, ding, ding chicken dinner. Yeah. That's exactly it. And I will say, you know, I had harsh words for Tucker at the, you know, puk in my mouth kind of thing. But I got to follow my own walk and talk, the talk, follow the walk. What's the saying?

It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. What I am, my point is is that we do have to. start coming together. Yeah. And if it means, you know, that I got to listen to Tucker Carlson, but that's beside the point.

We do need to start coming together. You know, the point is, it was, he made it about, you have to listen to David Grush. Yeah. That's what I respected about it. Yeah. That's what I liked about the interview was like, you got to listen to what he's saying, and then he reports this other stuff that he said something along the lines of, he knows more things that he had heard that he's so terrified by that he wouldn't even

tell his wife about it. Yeah. And I saw something. It's a spiritual thing or something. Yeah, I saw. You heard about what it might be? Somebody actually tweeted what they thought it was. Was it Joe Murgulia?

It might have. It passed by me pretty fast because I was just like, I don't know, I don't know. But it was along the lines of like interdimensionality and things that come through that have now influenced the human race into believing that they're angels and demons kind of thing. I'm not going to get into it too much because I don't even know what I read. And it just kind of passed by. I saw it. I was like, all right, all right. I got to dig in.

Work and life have gotten the way of that. But this is what I'm here for. We'll get into it later on the show. I can't remember more than that. But yeah, let's talk about the implication of what he said. It scares him so much. He doesn't even want to talk about it. Because it's too spirit.

He said it, you know, tiptoes in the world of spirituality and all that. So I don't know what it was. It wasn't specific on it. It is something about demons and angels and, you know, what they're doing and how they've influenced the human race, that it could lead to religious kind of implications that more controlled by this whatever, whatever it may be, whatever it may be, basically kind of manipulating the human race and that it created a sort of religion around it could have, could have. That stuff is like, I don't know. That's hard to wrap your head around. It is. And I'm not discrediting it, whatever it might be short. I don't know what he was told whether people are talking about. I have no idea.

But all I know is that when it comes to the disclosure element of it all and what's going down and how many people did actually kick back. Now, I still stand by that not enough people are talking about what happened and the fact that this bill was the same. I mean, it would pass, by the way. It did. It passed. We had a text exchange and hopefully.

We'll get to it on the show, but I'm feeling a little bit better about things after listening to the weaponized. Tell me now. So you listen to the most recent one? I did not. I did not. Okay. And those guys doing a hell of a job just kind of, you know, pointed out the wins. Pointed out.

Give me some of those wins because I didn't hear the episode. The fact that we have people like Schumer, people like in the Senate and doing these hearings. And Chuck Rounds, too. Yeah. That's a win. Yeah. That is something. that those two said wouldn't have happened two years, five years, whatever it may be.

That the fact that part of this passed is a big win, that they can revisit it later, hopefully. And I take it as that the fact that it made it to a hearing, that it's out there, you can look it up now, and mainstream media and people not covering is another story. But the fact that you can look this up now, that it made it all the way to our government, the highest forms of government, that there they are, graves and Grush and all these people that are testifying. That's a huge win, and I will take it. Yeah, it's a glass half full.

It's a glass half full thing. How you want to look at it. I was looking at it as empty. I was too, and I think a lot of people were, and the fact that you can still, that there's still, it's not over yet. And then Gary Nolan was on. It was a really great interview that Gary Nolan did with Ross Colhart,

which is really good. And they talked about stuff and News Nation, who I think has been the best in covering this. They had a whole report that essentially Gary Nolan, and I think he was talking to where it comes to this conversation that we're going to have today, the majority of the show is really what this disclosure will be because Gary Nolan was essentially saying, well, we can't leave it to the government.

It's got to be science. It's got to be the ones that do it. We got to get them there first. Right, but the simpletons like us, it's like, well, what is that? Like, what does that mean? Right. Because there's a few interviews and one that I'll play and it was kind of rehash this conversation. But there's a reporter, I think, from News Nation who asks, I can remember who she asked, but we'll play it in a second.

Where's the hard proof, right? And where's the hard proof? And the hard proof right now is locked behind a vault somewhere. Right. And so the question is, how do you get that proof out there? Because you can, news outlets, mainstream news outlets covering this thing, will, bring more people like my friend around. There's no doubt about it.

But it becomes a real hard fact when there's real hard evidence. Like that's when it's going to get, like when people are going to go, okay, wait a minute. Now what the hell was this? They have actual footage of a craft? Like, yeah, they played it on CNN last night. They played it on Fox News last night. They played it on whatever. It was on David Muir.

It was on Lester Hull. It was everywhere. It was everywhere. It was this full shot of, they have it. And Biden's doing a thing on it tonight. He's going to talk about it. And he's going to talk about how they breached the hall. Yeah.

And then you go, then everybody goes, wait a minute. Right. So that's what we need more than anything. That's what full disclosure or catastrophic disclosure and full disclosure are different. Right. Catastrophic disclosure is... Comes without full disclosure. Comes without transparency.

It comes with everybody going the hell with this. Everybody's talking about this now. I'm not scared to talk anymore. I've been working on this program for a long time. I thought they were going to pass this bill, and they were going to come to me, and I was going to say, okay, I'll testify. I'll do it the right way.

But now I've got to do it a different way. Now I'm going to tell you everything I know. Now I'm going to show you what I have. Right. And I'm going to leak it to you. And I'm going to do this. And then this thing that maybe should have come out in your plan five to 10 years from now just got dropped to the Daily Mail or New York Times or whatever.

New York Times did something, by the way. You said I sent that to you because New York Times hasn't posted anything recently on it, and they did. We'll talk about that also. But that's to me, that's what catastrophic disclosure is. It's like it's like a never-ending people are just coming out now and saying everything. And it kind of looks like that's starting to happen. Right. But to me, catastrophic disclosure also means that with that,

regular people who aren't paying attention, so I go, wait, what's that? Wait, what is that now? Not just us now, because we're in the bubble now. We're part of the bubble now. We got sucked into the bubble, but the bubble is getting bigger. But it's got to get bigger and it's got to pop. Yeah, and I believe that the catastrophic disclosure could be,

If you say, let's use your example, somebody that's been working on this thing says, well, I thought they were going to do it. Now, I'm just going to come out and say it. Now, if the government were to pass this bill completely and the transparency there is there, I would like to think that they would have to put some fail safes and put some things in motion to protect this, right? So they're going to have to declassify some things within reason. They're going to have to take precautions on what they share and what they don't share, because there are other things out there,

other Russia, China, what have you, that probably have these programs as well. Catastrophic disclosure, when they get leaked, they're not ready for that, right? So then let's say a leak happens, catastrophic, and they go, yeah, I have this thing, and it's this. And Russia and China goes, bing, what? That's where I think our national security is at risk.

Well, that's, but that's why I think that they, by blocking this, they were the short game. They were doing a short game because I do think people are going to start getting really frustrated and they're going to, because you've seen the tweets, we'll do it the hard way. Yeah. And now it's, it's not five years ago. And that's, and, you know, it's huge. It's not. People are, people are covering this more and more and more now. And it's more.

This doesn't seem like one of those ones like, oh, yeah, UFOs were hot again for like, five minutes now it's going away again right it seems like more like and i still there's still people who say they saw some guy in the comments last week and you still you're still tweeting that you're not paying attention but one guy was like um because we said are they're lying to they're lying to l-o uh and l-ol l-ol is and i was right back the stupidest things that no one knows i'll be like you know uh e c w h o which is like eating cheese with a hat on or something and i no one would know what is but i always writes back like seven of them yeah um and this guy is He's like, well, don't you think that it would, if they were traveling, they wouldn't have the kind of technology, but travel light years away.

And I'm like, I agree. That's why they've been talking about the other ways of space and time and physics and things that Oppenheimer talked about. Einstein talked about. All these different physicists talked about, that stuff. Stop saying things that you don't, they just don't come in and go, does you pay attention to anything? It's like those types of things, a possibility. There's also the other possibility.

I don't know as much about cars at the guy that works at Firestone. Or a mechanic down the street. Right. I don't know the same thing. He knows more than I do. You can't change a tire in 30 minutes, L.O.L. It's like, wait a minute. Hold on.

Where this guy can, though. Yeah, and then times a thousand. Right. You don't know what I mean? You don't know. You can't do that. We can't do that. You don't know.

You don't know what you don't know what's possible. And I'll tell you, I'm having dreams lately, Riley. Uh-oh. And not about this, but just in general. And like I still, we had this whole conversation about like what dreams are in the show, not this show, but a big thing. And it's like, what if, you know, as far as like transferring of consciousness and all these types of things because I had a dream last night of a place that I was in. And I could have sworn that I'd be. been in that place before in another dream in the same spot in the same thing I

could I could freaking smell the hallways yeah I've never been to that I've never been to that place in my life here yeah ever I don't know what that is I don't know what it is and then no one knows and you're like well I can tell you what it is you can't tell me shit right you don't know you think you know I don't know it could you know it could be a lot of different things of what the mind is doing all these other things but the reason I bring that up is something Gary Nolan said it's like why are people so scared about the potential of the Full disclosure, all these things about the fact,

because they don't want to be able to say, we ain't number one. We're not the top of the food chain. I think it's really, for me, to not admit when you're wrong is, is, I think, a failure of the human species. Yeah. It can start wars.

Hubris. It could start wars. It could lead to divorce. It could do so many. different things. If you can just pull your head out of your ass long enough to say, maybe I don't know this particular thing, whether it's science, whether it's a movie, whether it's the making of a movie, whatever it may be, I think you gain more perspective as a human, then you start to learn. And then you can be a little bit more secure in your LOL, I know this, whatever it may be.

It's just that that is what we're talking about. It is a huge. worldview can change like that. If there were something that came down from the sky, hovered over the White House and went, we're here, you know, what does that do for a lot of people that are, believe that that's an angel or a demon or whatever? At one point, someone said, hey, guess what? We're floating around in space right now.

Well, that's a great point. Because back in the day, you know, when it's like the earth is round, right. That caused a lot of people to go, huh? To some people still does. Again, pull your head out of your ass. Right. And I, and that's, that's the thing. Right.

You know, science was, I know. I can't believe that's the thing. Sorry, go ahead. Yeah, that's a podcast for another time, right? I can't believe that. But that's the thing. We're talking about people that were persecuted for their scientific beliefs, you know. Darwin's saying this is what, I believe it's this.

and then science later. Can I go back? Sure. Why not take the leader and bring him up into space and go, now tell the rest of these idiots, look, take him up, take the leader up to space. Oh, for a round. Yeah.

Just take him up the space. Take the one guy that is so convinced and just take him to space. Have the, Bezos, take him up the space. And he goes, look, look at that. Tell the rest of your guys and shut up. Well, didn't, wasn't there one guy that tried to do a rocket that was going so high to prove it and the guy died? Yeah, but that's what I'm saying.

He shouldn't do it. You have somebody who they can actually do it. I mean, you put 97-year-old William Shatner out in space, take the leader of the flat-earthers and say, tell your buddies, use the walkie-talking, tell them to cut this shit out. All right, sorry, go ahead. No, it's really hard. No, let's keep talking about this guy.

Because I can't, I can't fathom. It's so hard to fathom that these people are convinced that, I mean, after all, after everything? Yeah, it's like one thing when, I mean, we've made phones in our power. I'll tell you. Like I got, when you and I gave shit when we were like, I don't know about the big foot thing.

We had some people who did more research on. I said, sure. I'm not going to tell you, you're right. I'm not going to tell you that if you're doing your research on it and there's more to it, then we're talking about UAPs and we do our research on it. So I'm not going to pretend.

I'm not going to crap on what you're studying. But there's studies. You fly up, you look down, and it's a circle. Wouldn't you see it from an airplane? wouldn't you be on an airplane and you'd be able to We're going off course We are going off course

Speaking of Bigfoot though Yeah I did because of I'm now deep in the UAP stuff And the algorithm knows I'm there There was a tweet that made me go Hmm And there was a story This guy tweet

It was like one of those I don't know where the account was But it was like A guy A Bigfoot died in his front yard In the woods Right and he called the police, and instead of the police coming,

there were like men in black show up, and they took this thing away in a helicopter and took off, and there was an imprint left in the ground. Now there was no pictures. This could be a story. I could have been hoodwinked, you know, but I tell you, it did make me, like when people came, you know, and say, don't say anything until you.

It made me go, you know what? I don't know enough about it. And that's, if we're talking about it, we know enough about the fact that if you fly up high enough, you'll see that you're living on a freaking circle. I'll take the Pepsi challenge on the flat earth thing, okay? I will because just stop. It drives me nuts.

Anyway, but your point of it, your point of it is that at one point, you know, somebody went, wait a minute, hold on a second. This is, look what we've figured out here. And I think that's where we're going to eventually go with this. If it is an intelligence that has put us here and that we are, you know, or maybe has been here longer than us, you don't know. It's like because when I,

my thing is this. And this is like, I'm not telling you that this is what I believe and it's factual. I don't know anything. I don't know a damn thing. But I want to ask these questions. And it's like these definitive, well,

I know. No, you don't. You have a belief, which is fair. And you have like a total belief. Like I know and I, I can sense that this is exactly, you don't know shit.

You don't know anything. It's like you think you do. I don't know anything. You don't know anything. You don't know. know anything. You don't know. It's like you can have a faith in something and you should have a faith in something. You should have a belief in something. And whatever it is that gets you going, that you believe in your heart or hearts is true, then you should hold onto that. But you should

never say definitively. I don't care. I don't care. You should never say definitively because except I know definitively that I don't know. That's what I know. Yeah. I don't know. I have no idea. Like you can tell me tomorrow that these things were from, they were from Russia and China, and we didn't want to say anything. And for the longest time, we were holding it out. And we finally, there's actual definitive proof. It is actually from Russia and China. And they didn't want to freak people out because it was,

they were trying to whatever. It was potential of a world war and all this stuff. I was like, wow, I didn't think that was going to happen. And then it happens. And I'm like, wow. Holy crap, I did not know that. Didn't think that was the answer. Flipside.

You can tell me that these things finally, they've been covering up for years and they didn't want people to go to jail. and they've been visiting forever, and then we have over 11 or 12 of these things, and they are otherworldly, and they are these things, and I'd be like, well, that's where I was leaning. Yeah. But now interesting that I know that.

It's like, you don't know. Your science, your reference to like science and these great minds before us, like Einstein, you know, Galileo, you know, Leonardo da Vinci, you know, Tarwin. they were radical thinkers at the time. They would put forth these hypothesis and they would do studies and people would... The minute they said, we are not Earth,

the center of the universe, the sun is. And we go around the sun. Do you know how many people? And I wish I could pull up my science books, but they were like, get the F out of here. That's ridiculous. And that was because they were so hellbent on religion that everything was the center of the universe

was obviously us because we are walking and breathing and doing this. And it's like, you can, you know, the sun there would move this way. You know, obviously it's going around us. Not the other way around. We're not going around it. So I feel like it's the same kind of thing is that until we know, until there is some science. And I'm with you. You mentioned science and get some scientists in there.

Well, it was Gary Nolan that said that. Gary Nolan and you quoting Gary Nolan is that is so important to me. when you believe science and it really is it's when it comes to infectious diseases and it comes to anything that we don't understand again I'm not a doctor so if I get a stomach

ache and say well I know it's just you know this the in and out burger that I get you could die right you could die right no I go to a doctor to get a colonoscopy and endoscopy who tells me yeah that oh no you have Gerd so you better not eat that in an out burger you know these are the things

I need to know because I'm not going to school. No, I went to film school. You think I'm going to know? I can maybe talk on movies a little bit more than the average person, but I'm not going to sit there and tell you, no, you know what that is? I know. Just rub some dirt on it and drink some hot milk and you'll be fine. Yeah, L-O-L, buddy.

And it was, and so it just does seem that the, it seems like more and more people, though, with this catastrophic disclosure, though, it seems like more and more people are getting really upset. and are starting to push these stories out, whether it's that thing that came out with the Daily Mail. They did a couple of different things that popped out from leaks that are coming and more people are talking to. I mean, the New York Times thing is something I'm going to cover in a second.

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But get something for yourself. That's what I'm saying, man. It helps out tremendously. All right, Riley, let's move to the next topic. Let me tell you about that New York Times article. Hold on. It's by Ross Dude Hat. Last week on the Senate floor, two senators rose to express disappointment with the House of Representatives. Even before I start this article, Riley, this is what I'm talking about.

That hearing or that addressing of this subject by both Schumer and rounds got people talking. And finally, an outlet like the New York Times is also bringing this up now. This was by itself routine enough, but the senators, Mike Rounds, Republican of South Dakota, and the New York Democrat and majority leader Chuck Schumer, weren't complaining about Ukraine funding or border policy. They were complaining that the House was impeding transparency on UFOs. The backstory for those who don't follow every twist of what we're now supposed to call the unidentified anomalous phenomenon debate is that the National Defense Authorization Act on Schumer's instigation included provisions to establish a presidential commission with the power to declassify a broad swath of records related to UAPs modeled on the panel that did similar work with President John F. Kennedy's assassination. But this disclosure effort was watered down

by some House Republicans making it more of a collection effort by the National Archives with a weaker mandate to declassify and release. As ever with the issue, the Senate discussion of these developments veered from the banal to the super weird. One moment, Rounds was talking as if the whole legislative effort was just an attempt to dispel myths and misinformation about UAP, sunlight as a disinfectant for conspiracy theories. The next, he was complaining that the House had stripped out a requirement that the government reclaim any recovered UAP material or biological remains that may have been provided to private entities in the past

and thereby hidden from Congress and the American people, which is an odd thing to emphasize if you don't think that there's a possibility that, say, Lockheed Martin, is keeping something strange inside its vaults. Meanwhile, in the background, you have the continuing media tour through Joe Roe Tucker Carlson and beyond of David Grush, the former Air Force intelligence officer who striking but undocumented claims helped accelerate the current disclosure effort. And you also have the continuing intimations from other former officials, a mixture of hearsay and speculation offered on the record and wilder claims sourced anonymously.

My hope, as someone fascinated and frustrated by this business ever since the military started acknowledging that its pilots have seen some weird things in the skies is that we are nearing a point of real clarity. Not necessarily what UAPs are, but about whether some faction in the government really knows much more about the mystery than what's in the public record. The probability of extraterrestrial life or non-human intelligence aside, the best reason to doubt such secret keeping is that it would require too much of a government that has let so many major secrets slip over the last 75 years. The deep state let the Soviets steal atomic secrets and the mainstream press published the Pentagon Papers. It's had its cold war laundry.

aired by the Church Committee, it saw much of its war on terrorism architecture rapidly exposed, so it's hard to see how it could have kept the lid on programs that study actual extraterrestrial or interdimensional visitors, especially over generations, and especially if we're supposed to believe that private contractors are part of the cover-up as well. The counter-argument is that there are still things that we don't know in the Deep State Vault, say about the Saudi connections to September 11th, so there might be things that we don't know that we don't know. Especially if you imagine a hypothetically UAP program that's extremely small, walled off from the rest of the national security state,

united by a belief that it's protecting Americans from the cosmic shock of uncontrolled disclosure, and so deeply classified that its functionaries might fear being murdered if they leak. But that's what makes the current moment clarifying. We have Ingrush a credentialed whistleblower making public claims on a variety of platforms without being hustled away in a black helicopter. We have an important group of lawmakers expressing strong interest and frustration with obstruction. We have a network of mainstream-adjacent media outlets

that are fascinated with the story and establishment organs, at least open to the conversation. There is no better time, in other words, for anyone who has documentary proof to figure out how to be a hero of disclosure and democracy. If you have the goods and you want the public to know more, and if you think the Schumer push for transparency has been fatally wounded,

as many UFO believers seem to think, then this is the hour to bring your secrets forward. If no such revelations occur, it will strengthen my default belief that no multi-generational government cover-up was ever plausible. Should shocking revelations come? Well, honestly, I would still worry about deceptions and misdirections since the disclosure of a cover-up would make paranoia much more rational. But that's no reason not to share the truth if you think you have possession of it. trusting that the American people have a high tolerance for weirdness and that, in the long run, only truth will set us free.

Oh, thank. I like this. I thought it was a great article. It's a great article. I thought it was great. I thought he approached it in the Mark Riley Christian Harlow point of view, and he approached it in the DJ Woolridge point of view. Yeah. So people who don't know, if you didn't catch our episode with DJ, he's a skeptic.

He doesn't believe in this at all. We had him on him, and he gave some conversations as to why. said exactly what this guy said. He was like, well, I don't trust that the government could cover it up for this long. And then he followed that up, the guy who wrote the article, with more so what we believe. The reason they've been doing this is a little small, there are things you still don't know. You might know a lot about the Kennedy stuff, but you don't know all of it. You still don't know who did it. You still don't know for a fact that Oswald did it. You don't know for a fact that somebody from the grassy and all you don't know for a fact yet.

Yeah. So you still don't know. So there are things that are still being covered up. there. I think the Kennedy assassination is such a great point because we still don't know everything. It's a huge thing that I had a conversation with my father about who loves this stuff. And I told him, I don't think it was just Oswald. And he goes, I don't either. And that's enough. Yeah, but let me tell you this. This is what they're saying. What I think that they're missing here. They said, well, I don't believe that they could cover it up the whole way. They haven't. Otherwise, we wouldn't be talking about it. Right. You wouldn't have seen any footage. You wouldn't have seen So the answer of, oh, this is a government that couldn't keep a lot of secrets.

They haven't kept the secret. That's why Chuck Schumer and Rounds are out there telling this, because if they were really good at it, like this guy is saying or like DJ's saying, then we'd be like, okay, there's nothing. I've never even heard. A what? A what's that? There wouldn't be this movement in the Senate. You would never heard about it. Right.

If they were that good at covering up, you'd never hear about it. But we wouldn't be having this show. They're not good at covering up because it's out there. Now, they're good at covering up some of it because they're still. They're really good. They're really good. They're really good. Like, I do believe that there are people out there that are debunking these things and going

out and saying, no, no, no, it's this. And that is part of a misinformation campaign, you know. And I think some people might not even think they're part of it because they don't want to believe. They're just saying, no, no, it's lights in the sky. It's this and. Yes, 99 out of 100 times, it's going to be able to be proven it was a weather balloon or a balloon or what have you. What about that one time? I think that's over, though, dude.

I think that that whole thing is over from the, you know, the average person still is going to be doing that. But it's the ultimate taboo thing where everybody's on the, what are you talking about? That's gone. That's gone. Yeah. Like, it's still, for people who are not paying attention to all the facts and the stories and the things of that are still. still going to be in that. Of course.

They're still part of the Matrix, right? Yeah. Now, but if you're paying attention to it now and you're like, wait a minute, wait. So this person had this. This person said that this guy who used to be part of the government said that. And yet they're saying that it was Mike Turner is the guy who also, he's like, yeah, we're going to block that. Why? Why?

Yeah. Why? Nothing. Oh, do you mean the Ohio base that's your living right by that might have something over there? Right. And Lockheed Martin is one of his donors. And then Grush is like, hey, I'll come talk to you. And he's like, oh, yeah, we asked him to come in and he just want to talk to us. Not true. Never happened. So, yeah, there are definitely cover-ups and there's other things too, but it's not becoming, it's not as easy anymore because of people like,

Schumer and rounds, people like, all these people, I mean, the three graves and all, all, the two pilots, I can't think right now. It's, um, graves, let me do you. Graves, Fraver, Grush, they're all, like, the fact that they came out and that they were able to have their voices heard and all, and people like Gary Nolan and reporters that, and he mentioned that this guy in New York Times also said that you have. have all the different media that is covering it, and there's still a lot that's missing from the media.

Oh, yeah. So, but you start to get more and more because Grush came, I think Grush came to New York Times. There are other people that came to New York Times to report a lot of these things, and they haven't been diving into it. I feel like the New York Times is going to start to become more of a factor and start doing more stuff. I hope so. I think so.

And I think if the New York Times does. does that, then more outlets will cover it. That's what happened last time. Right. And that I feel, Christian, I might be in a more positive mood about this today, but I feel a narrative changing. You know, I feel it's starting to really get out there a little bit more. The New York Times article, that's something that adds legitimacy to it

because I've always said that when these guys came forward, like graves and crush, it's like, you know, they're passing the eye test for me. because they've already done the heavy lifting in protecting us. Right. You know, classified secrets, you know, fighting for our country, you know, doing so much that takes just will and grit that I don't have. And Gresh is all in right now. You can tell he's, he has to be.

He can also tell he's pissed. He's pissed, and he's because he's been threatened. Yeah. It's been, they've, they've, he doesn't go into it, but he mentions it almost on every interview. They've shown themselves that. they can get to me, and that it was very scary for him and his wife, and that they have made the reports and filed police reports, but it was more of a message. And that to me, it's scary, but it also adds a lot of credibility for me again. It is, and it's one of these things,

though, too, like, God forbid anything like happened to him, it's like the stink alarms will go off all over the place. Yeah, and if we learn anything from Kennedy and what happened there, it's like, and this is what my dad said when I was talking about, I said, dad, I'm listening to this great podcast by Reiner and all these, he's been, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he goes, yeah, I don't believe it's this. I don't believe it's that. And he goes, I will say, there are a lot of witnesses just, just kind of mysteriously died.

And I'm like, yeah, that was kind of back in the day with the, you know, I don't know. You can't explain it. That's, I don't want that to happen here. Right. You know. But it's getting bigger and bigger now. That's what I feel. And it's getting bigger.

I also wonder, like, if that, there's no world where they could have, the Kennedy thing could have happened. today because this old cameras yeah the cameras and everything there's no world but um but yeah so like the the fact that this is getting out there more and the and i do think like this guy inside of this article is essentially talking about what we're talking about in the title of this show and it's like he's he's basically saying if you got them show them right and it's like that's easier said than done though yeah because again from pushback anonymous like but one of the thing i mean Even I saw something on the hill where they were like,

hey, if you have like real footage, send it. Send it to us. And it's like, at this point, maybe that is going to be the way. It's like, footage would be great because that's not really catastrophic disclosure, I feel like, if it's just like. Depends on what the footage is. Yeah, I should say that, but I should couch it in there.

But it's if you have some really good footage that leaks and gets out there and just causes more people go, huh? What's that? But I think it's more about, like, who? Right? Like who is doing this? So here's something that I definitely want to bring up.

All right, I'm going to play a lot of this, Riley. This is from former US Secretary of Defense Chris Miller. He declared that one of his biggest mistakes was not to get briefed on UFOs. He goes on to state that he believes that other life forms are responsible for some UAP. He will go public to talk about Havana syndrome. Here is the interview itself. Here you go.

Last thing. Yeah. What do you got? What do you think about all these UAPs and UFOs? Man, biggest mistake I made when I was, no. I'm not going to say biggest mistake I made. I made bigger mistakes, but what I failed to do when I was acting Secretary of Defense was to ask for that briefing.

What was I thinking? I don't know what you were thinking. I got a little overcome. Like, I got to overcome. with events I really wish I would have gotten that briefing so you go in there you're asking about what's it like the first day or when Trump tells you you're gonna do this go over to the Pentagon you walk in the first thing they do they take it back to this secret room you know ultra secure room and this four-star general and

and his two-star, you know, assistant, they literally grab you. As soon as you walk in, you haven't even, like, put your bag down. It's like, come with us. Guess what they brief you on. You know what they brief you on, nuclear codes, nuclear war, how that works, how you're in the chain of command. They're like, okay, I said, is there anything else? You know what I should ask for then?

UAP said give me the report on the UFOs should have done that I'm serious a heart attack right now should have done that and nobody volunteered to give that briefing and I wonder why hmm I wonder why wouldn't why wouldn't why wouldn't somebody come in you know well I think I know why it's because they don't want other people to know if I would ask for it they would have had to do it because I was super user I'm read on to everything right everything I could ask for like and I for some reason I didn't ask for that I I left I left the administration you know when the when things changed and they finally the Pentagon finally released a report Congress required a report on UFOs UAPs and uh press started calling

like hey did you ever get briefed and that was I was one of those moments. I'm like, I didn't. What was I thinking, man? Should have gotten briefed on that. Where are you in the whole thing? I don't know enough about it to formulate a... You think it's possible?

UFOs and UAPs? Do I think what's possible? That those could be generated by a life form off planet? Absolutely. I'm with you, man. Absolutely. I don't know how. Maybe just because it's who I am.

But that's not the first question that you ask when you want. It's like, yeah, yeah, I get it. Like he said, the nuke stuff, sure, sure, sure. Yeah, where are the aliens? Yeah, the nuke stuff has been put in our head from day one from those ducking cover drills. And you talk about Kennedy as such. I don't mean to keep going back there. But my dad at that time thought he was going to be annihilated by nuclear war because of the Cuban missile crisis, which was all centered around Kennedy and this problem with Russia and everything.

And that was kind of put into the fabric of America of us being remembering that time, remembering we might vaporize each other before anything. So duck and cover, get under your desk, like that's going to help. And, you know, so that's become ever presence in our knowledge of things. It is. And so when you move that to UAPs, UFOs, that we have glorified. and fictionalized and made a fairy tale out of it with like ET or the war of the world's deliberate yeah yeah there was deliberate what they did that that way but like this Chris Miller thing is fascinating to me also because I think that it does signify the change in the conversation because here here is this guy right

and he is I mean this is this is the freaking former U.S. Secretary of Defense that we're talking about here. That's a recent. Huge. Recent. And five years ago, he goes on a show like this, whether he believes this or not, he's going to tell you that I think that this UFO, is going to think I'm a lunatic? Right.

Now, because everyone's talking about it. And now it's because he, like he said, he even said, what do you think about this whole thing that's going around right now? And he's like, look, it's what I should have done. I should have asked them to get, and it also, that was like 2016 when he was in there, right, around that time. So he could, you know, this is before that video came out in 2018, whatever it was. So it was during that administration.

But he, you know, didn't ask at the time. But the fact that that comes up and he could have said that right away, and the fact that he is talking about it does show you that there are more people that do take this very serious. Listen, this guy has seen some shit. Yeah, right. So if this guy has seen some shit. Yeah. And the implications of that are things that, again, we don't know.

Right. We can't even fathom. So if he's making that natural progression into, listen, I'm seeing some shit. Do I believe you APs? Absolutely because I've seen some shit. Because, you know, you're logically going, your mind is, I feel open to it a lot more than maybe, you know, LOL guy. Um, seriously, this, this, when the, the credibility of these witnesses, and I know everybody goes, wow, they're sources and they're this and they didn't have firsthand knowledge, but there are people that have spoken to these people, like they're putting their reputations on the line. That is huge. Look, I have my cousins in the military. My family has been huge in the military. I have such respect. So when I see grud, or a graves or people that have done service come forward and say this about

UAPs and testify in the Senate and they drag they're dragged through the mud so to speak because they don't have the actual proof but they're talking to people that have seen it firsthand firsthand knowledge like rush has said that is that is huge for these people to do and that to me is proof enough. Well, it's more conversations like I think like this that are going to keep coming out because it is in the conversation. And you said it earlier that you're a little bit more optimistic. And then after listening to the Weapon I show, you became more optimistic. I think that I was so kind of down on the fact that, you know, at the time, there weren't a lot of people covering it.

And even though, like, CNN did a brief thing on their Sunday show and then you have like this, whether it's Tucker Carlson covering it, but then Fox News did something on. on it, it's trickling in. And people are starting to do little things here and there. So it's making me a little bit more optimistic, because it does prompt conversations like this, more so than you think, because now if you get a person that was in that position at, they have two points to this.

One, if you get a person that was in that position that can openly talk about, well, yeah, you know, look, here's my opinion on it. Now it's out in the news, and you got rounds and Schumer talking about it. And I think this about it now, too. It's because those two guys were out there openly talking about it, that more people would feel freely to do.

it. But the other thing is that the next person that does come in to the room and sees that interview might ask the question next time. Listen, I'll give you like a metaphor. The snowball is already rolling down the hill. Yeah. And it's going to get bigger and bigger. And the bigger it gets, the more it pulls in as it keeps going and keeps going. This is a big hill we're on. And we're not even halfway down right now, I feel like. And I think that that narrative is changing. I think that people will start to mainstream media is huge the more coverage the better

more people like you know coming forward and saying these things that are you know department of defense saying I should have asked blah blah blah blah blah blah I mean this is adding a lot of credibility that we need right now and I think that the naysayers out there are the people that are skeptical

be skeptical because I am to I am skeptical to a degree but again if you just kind of take these people that look at them, check their, you know, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their resume, so to speak, you know, a guy standing on the corner, you know, holding up a sign, the aliens are here. Yeah, you're going to go like, all right, buddy. Right. But when you have like, high ranking officials in our military,

tons of them, who tons of them, pilots, more than anything, are you going to go fly the plane? Well, I need to know that this guy knows what they're doing to fly a plane because I hate flying. And if they see something and say they've seen something, again, I believe. Yeah. Well, I think we're past that, though, Mark. I think for us, anyway, we're past the I believe stuff. I mean, like, if these pilots and these people who are working the freaking nukes are saying that they're seeing things, I'm not going. And I love DJ, but I'm not going down that route of like, oh, you don't know what they say.

There's too many people at this point that are saying it. There's way too many people now. I believe it for sure. It's more about how the more information is going to come out to get them mass. audience out there to listen to it. The more people to really, you know, pay attention to it outside. You know, those people like I told you, there's our good friend Jamie Costa, right, who was in here, and he's very much curious about this stuff, but hasn't been paying attention

to it. So he didn't know anything about what I was talking about. And he's like, really? That happened? What? Yeah. He didn't know. So he does know now.

And we talked about it. But here's my, here's the question that I have. And I don't know what the answer to this is more so than, you know, there's just. There's a chain of command. There's a way that things work, and that's probably why. And I'm sure. Sure. But I understand that, Grush said this too, that there was a presidential, there was a president

during the administration that was going to go for full transparency and made the push for it. And then ultimately, that didn't happen because of the report of that there's a lot of legalities and a lot of things that a lot of people were going to probably go to jail and all these different things were going to happen and blown off so they they were advised kind of not to do it. This is me guessing. I think it was Obama. Because the way Obama's talked about it on different shows and other things too, I think he's got more information than he's led on to.

I do. I think it was hit his administration. I know the Clinton tried also. That's right. They mentioned it on weaponized, I think. About Obama? is Trump. Really?

That's what they said. I think they were pointing towards Trump. Could be also. I don't know. But the only thing with him is that when he talks about it and maybe it's just because he's just kind of saying... Because he's Trump, right? And saying, no, no. Because here's my point in all of that.

Now because this is being talked about as much, and you go to this interview that we just brought up here. Now, I understand years ago, the last administration, the administration of that, the one before that, the one before that. that. You can't do it because these different reports. But now we are in the height of the most disclosed ever, right, of all the different people talking about it in the media and the things ever. This is the most that's ever been talked about. And the most it's ever been accepted in regular conversation. So because of that, if you are running for president or even if you become president or you are president now, what in the world is holding you back? from saying like let's take it from the selfish politician power part of it right not the part

that should be let's do good and tell the people about it let's take it for the selfish politician right why in the world are you not saying okay I'm gonna be the guy because you will no matter what you did no matter good or bad whatever you did that will be the only thing in 100 200 300 you will be ready for. Right. Yeah. And I think that that can still happen. You know, I think that...

Eventually. Could be on Biden's watch. Could be. I mean... I think that's what Schumer is trying to get him to do. Yeah. I think that's what's happening. I think that's...

I think Schumer's trying to... Absolutely. I think in a politic point of view, I think what's going to happen is that Schumer is trying to do it too and trying to get Biden to do it. If Trump winds up winning again, they're probably going to even push

harder for him to be the guy to do it. And it's gonna it's, I think there's a reason behind all of it, why there's both sides are pushing towards, you know, the disclosure side of it because they're hoping their guy could be the guy that's going to do it. Yeah. I mean, I just, I, I, I, I start thinking really deep on this because of, of religion and, you know, the house I grew up in, very religious as well. It's to consider disclosing this in an administration

with however many millions of Americans that are out there and you have a large faction of them perhaps that are you know so religious that they could turn them off

as voters. Yeah. I mean that's what I feel like that's one way that they're looking at it politically. They're like, you know what? let's get the, but they need the backup, they need the this, they need the that, you know, to make it legitimate, to get it to cross over. Right. I know that it's a tall order.

Yeah. I feel it's a very big, tall order to convince a number of Americans that might have it in their head that we are the only ones here and we were created by God or Jesus or how really. Well, I mean, that's the question also of what exactly you're disclosing. And that's why the total disclosure thing could be very scary if things come out that you can't dispute. You know what I mean? Yeah, see, and that stuff's what we need. I do have like one or two more stories that I want.

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All right. All right. Here is the, this is another one that came out that was very interesting, Riley. In this coast-to-coast AM audio clip from 1997, UFO insider John Alexander clearly states that he checked into Philip Corsos' background, extensively and found him to be legitimate, which says a lot, given Corso's claims in the clip, Corso states the following, that the military has been fighting a war with the aliens since 1947. Corso said, if ET fights a war against us, they're going to fight a war at our level or their level. ET are DNA experts. They made these clones with super intelligence. We didn't do enough with the body. ET bodies have no digestive system, vocal cords, or ears.

Corso says that Army came up with name extraterrestrial biological entities. Corso says Army came to the conclusion that the ETs were specifically designed for space travel. So this is from, again, so Philip Corso, of course, was an American Army officer. He was in the United States Army from February 23, 1942 until 1963, and he had earned the rank of Lieutenant Colonel. There's another credible, credible, credible, credible. Why is this guy talking about this? Like this stuff to this guy as far as this, I mean, I don't know what the hell to believe as far as this goes.

And there's another thing that then this other, this ties into it, which was right, this was, this was, I saw this on Twitter as well. Danny Sheen named the species that were visiting Earth. They said they're, the short and tall grades, which you've heard about it a million times, reptilians which you've heard about, which I always thought was a goof.

Three mantids and four humanoids. I don't, dude, I don't, like, when I hear like this kind of stuff, like, I'm trying to wrap my head around, like, what, like, what, like, what is flying around in the sky first. Right. Like, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's step one. It's, it's, like, just in general, because that's, that's where you're going to get. When you see stuff like this, too, you're going to, this is the stuff right now, that people who are just trying to figure out what it is or even learning by the first time, you go, oh, wait, they're talking about lizard people walking around, I'm out in this. in the same way that, you know, you did with Bigfoot and everything, too. It's like, I hear lizard people and I go, I don't know.

But you get people who are out there who are, like, respected people in this community saying these things, that you're like, well, why are they saying these things? Why are they? Because it's like, it's, and there are people who are not backing up going, oh, this guy is a lunatic. This guy says people say that about certain people, but Cheon's not one of those guys. Right. So I don't, I don't know, man. I don't know. This is the type of stuff that my brain starts to melt when I hear this type of stuff.

Yeah, that stuff makes me. I mean, the reptilians is like, you remember the series V? Yeah, I do. I thought about V. And how about that woman on the plane? Which is like, that mother was not real. Remember that? Yeah.

And, you know, I mean, again, if we're going to stick to the theme of the show here and that's like, we don't know shit. Yeah. Right. I mean, okay, I'm ready for them to be reptilian. I'm ready for that. You are? Yes. I don't know, dude.

If I see a big seven-foot lizard coming near me, I'm still going to run. I'm still going to run like a son of a bitch. Yeah. I mean, but I'm willing to believe because it's just there is so much smoke. I know. There is so much going on. It is crazy times, as that tweet said. Yeah.

And it starts for me with the footage that was released, the TikTok video, to see that, to see the credible witnesses that are coming, that work, that are a part of our own military, that take oaths to protect us, that have to be all up here, you know, in right mind because the minute they say, and it was so many years ago, like in the 50s and the 60s where these pilots would come, they didn't want to come forward, they lose their clearance,

they lose their ability to do their job well. And that's why they didn't want to say what they saw. That's why they didn't want to do that, but now it's changing. It's changing, and this is why this disclosure is important. It's so important. But this is also why I want to get some kind of information

to where it's like, like this type of stuff that's coming out, like just because you can hear it, let's say that any of that is true, right? I am under the agreement that in the first wave from the government, that shouldn't be an announcement. It shouldn't be. And like if there is this proof of that tweet, and the reason I bring this up, this whole tweet too, because people, and I understand, if you're coming into this for the first

time, and you're like, oh, wait, I'm trying to learn. What are you guys saying that there's aliens, there's four different types of alien species. What are you talking about? Right. I get it. What I'm trying to tell you inside of that is that if that comes out, that kind of information comes out by the government right away,

the goal is years upon to say, here's this, here's that. If somebody has, like in the military, who was part of the military, a whistleblower, has footage of any of that. and releases it when they're not supposed to. And that's the first thing that comes out of disclosure. That is catastrophic disclosure. Agreed.

Agreed. And that goes back to what I was saying when, you know, I lean towards what would people think with, you know, saying we're not alone in this universe. You know, and what that can do for people of religious angles or, you know, a worldview that they've had for 40, 50, 20, 10 years, however many years, that can really, really,

that might get you. That might make you... It changes the fabric of who we are and a lot of different things, especially if there's a big, like, if there's an announcement, that's why. I do agree.

You have to lead into it. That's why I think it was a major mistake for them to put that cabosh on that bill the way that they did. Because if you get this major leak like this with all these things actually because you can tweet all day long. You can tweet things like I just read

all day long and you and I go, ooh, that's interesting, what's that mean? Right, right, right. But somebody who's just going through and checking their sports and their weather and then they say the lizard creature, okay, what's next? And they don't pay attention to it. No. But if you see it, for real, and there's an actual video of it, people would panic.

Panic. No, I wouldn't. I don't know. I don't know because of the world we live in and the deep fakes and this and that. No, no, no, no. But I'm saying it's legit. Yeah, sure. I'm saying if it's proven. Yeah, yeah.

If Lester Holt or somebody is on there going, no, guys, this is real. I'm like, I still think you'd have people that are like, that's fake and the deep state and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You might. But if enough people, if eventually someone has to say, oh, wait a minute, this is actually real and we had to hold this back, I don't know. But this is the very last clip.

I'm going to get out of here. All right, this is a News Nation clip. The Sean Cahill was on News Nation. and here is the interview itself. Here you go. Retired U.S. Navy Chief, Sean Cahill, thank you for coming on the show tonight. Good evening. Thanks for having me.

Well, Sean, I know that you say that UFOs exist, but I've got to ask you, where is the hard evidence? Well, the hard evidence is unfortunately still locked up in special access programs and in the archives of probably various aerospace companies in the United States. We're not privy to it as the public yet. But as we've seen by the work of Mr. Grush,

and those who have testified in front of Congress, there's definitely something there. Well, this week we also know that Senator Chuck Schumer wanted a UFO commission to disclose records. Representative Birchett wanted DOD to release what it knew. What do you make of this 25-year parameter? I think it's a very long period of time, but given the subject matter and given that there may be paradigm shifting information in that subject matter for the American public. I understand the government's reticence to immediately release it. I'm concerned more about the partisan pushback that seems to be coming on that amendment, though.

We also know that whistleblower David Gresh has called the watered-down version of the bill, the greatest legislative failure in American history. Do you believe that to be true? I unfortunately have to agree with Mr. Gresh. While it is a historical achievement, it was neutered when it didn't need to be. And I think that a lot of people have shown their hands by that neutering. Why is it, do you think that the government has kept quiet about UIPs from the American people? I think, unfortunately, we're dealing with a set of ignorance post-World War II, possibly,

and the feeling of needing to stay in power, and then a subject that just kind of got outside the bounds of a lot of people's understanding. I think that it's going to require a modern mindset and our modern understanding of science to really wrap our heads around this. I also want to go ahead and ask you about this new Moon Pie advertising campaign to contact aliens. So the company apparently crafted a language only for non-humans to read. They do. I was heavily involved in that effort, and I'm very proud of it. When Moonpie approached me with their campaign, I thought that what they were doing was very courageous. They were serious, though they're playful. And they sought out experts in the field as much as they could to provide information for them. I hope they're successful. Sean Cahill, thank you for joining us.

Thank you. Another military guy out there talking about this, where he starts off and he's like, yeah, it's out there. There you have the evidence. We just can't, we just can't get to it. And if this bill would have passed, we could have. Right. And that was it. If that bill would have passed, there would have been a lot of information next year, a lot.

Now, it still might be, but just maybe not in the way that, you know, should have been. And as he said, you know, David Grush said it, that it was such a major letdown. This guy agrees. And then the fact that it'll kind of trickle over the next 25 years. whatever it might be, and then you've got people want to talk to aliens on boats. The moon pie, yeah. Which is interesting.

It's interesting. I like that, not discrediting it. Yeah, no, I'm not gonna discredit it. It's out there. It's certainly out there, but the fact that they did enlist, you know, some scientific minds to try to, you know, be as legit as possible. I think is as great. Do I think the moon pies is what gonna do it?

Nope, I don't. But it's not the thing that's gonna be, well, because what happens if they do get in contact and who, shuts that down. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's so that's that's the whole thing. I don't know. Look, there was so much that we covered here today. I mean, in the conversation of just the fact of like, what do you think full or catastrophic disclosure really is? And think about it before you say yes to this question. If all the information was dumped tomorrow, you think that would be a good move, and do you think that you would be able to handle it? Because I'll tell you, I've been doing this show now for

months, I don't think I could handle a full dump tomorrow. I just don't. Would I like to see one? Of course I would. But then it goes back to the ageal thing of be careful what you wish for. Yeah, because it could really scare you. It changes your mind. It changes your mind, and it's already pretty scary the implications of this. But it's also exciting because it is changing my worldview. I've said it a number of times. The idea that we... Red pill or the blue pill, man. Yeah. Well, the idea that we could... And I'm believing it every day. that we are not alone in this universe, that question being answered

then opens up possibilities for more questions and more answers, because it makes me think, less being scared of the big after, you know, and like, well, what is, if there are interdimensional beings that have either been here using science, whatever it may be, that are non-human, And our government is saying they're here, you know, the whistleblowers and the people and the sources and the military people, and they're saying we're here, they're here. You know, that opens up a whole can of worms that I'm looking to study and hear from.

And it makes me excited beyond anything. It makes me excited about what are human beings really capable of. Right. And what I mean by that also is mentally, right? Mentally, what are we capable of? And would we? Because I think a lot of people will answer this, and I don't disagree with them answering it this way.

Many people might answer. Nothing would really change because humans would still crave power, crave sex, crave this, crave that, and they would ultimately wind up destroying each other anyway. Right? But I got to have a belief in there

that there would be this kind of like, okay, maybe it's more important to try, now that we really know the secrets of the universe, and now that we know some of the secrets of the universe, and now we know this, and we know this, and we didn't know that that was even possible, that we could accomplish that. Right.

Maybe. Just maybe. We could look and say, okay, let's work together here. We need to work together. We need to give people the ability to say what they want to say, and I think that it really goes, you brought it up at the start of the show and it made me really go

hmm I really just started really thinking about this when science takes advanced steps forward there's going to be a lot of people that demonize it because they don't they believe one thing and then science is telling you another and that was

the center of the universe the earth revolving around the sun Darwin whatever yes whatever you believe whatever your your belief system is you know it's important to just throw that away sometimes and go, I don't know shit. But look again, whatever your beliefs might be, and let's say, if you are, if you're a Catholic,

Jesus Christ basically said he was the son of God. He was executed because of that. Yeah. Because of the fact that for years upon years upon years, thousands of years, people had an idea of what God was to, and how dared this man say he's the son of God? Correct. and then there was a legion of people who said, this is the son of God.

And things changed. Now, I'm not telling you to believe in, and you believe whatever religion you want to believe in. I'm just telling you that is things changed. At one point, the Greeks believed that Zeus and everybody else was in the sky and doing that, and that changed. No one believes, now when you, isn't it crazy,

though, that everyone back in that time, Zeus and Athen, they're all there. Now you say that and they go, if anybody's like, oh, what do you believe in? Well, I believe in, I believe in Jesus. I believe in, in Allah, I believe in it. What do you believe in? Zeus.

You'd be like, what? Yeah, my reaction. Right, right. And at one point, that was it. So imagine, and I'm telling you, saccharoline and a sound, yeah. Imagine in a thousand years from now. And after, like, you know, it's like, oh, yeah, you know,

before these, before the beings show themselves, people just believed in this. Yeah. And you say that now, people are like, You know, how dare you? Zeus. Yes. You're not going to stop advancement.

You're not going to stop science. Science is going to keep going. Technology. I mean, if we stopped and we went, ah, we're good, you know. We made the brick house. That's all we need to do. We're good.

You wouldn't have this. You know, it's like, that's what I'm saying is science is going to light the way. Life finds a way. The science will help us get there. All right, guys. What a conversation here today. Great conversation.

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