The Kristian Harloff Show - COBRA KAI's Thomas Ian Griffith talks Pat Morita, Karate Kid 3 and Season 5 (Jake Lewis guest)

Episode Date: September 19, 2022

True Crime is a very popular subject on streaming, podcasts etc. Why do we love it so much? Why does our brain want us to go there? Is it the awfulness of what we don't think we are capable of? Special guest Jake Lewis joins Kristian Harloff and they talk about this and more. We talk stand up comedy and how Jake directed Jamie Costa in the Robin Williams viral video. And then... Thomas Ian Griffith aka Terry Silver joins Kristian for a 30 minute talk about Cobra Kai, Karate Kid 3 and more. And we end the show with the first ever MUSICAL act! Enjoy! #CobraKai #karatekid #thomasiangriffith #terrysilver #jakelewis #comedy AMAZON WISHLIST: https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/1KPH42T0TP0PG?ref=cm_sw_em_r_un_un_djbxgIW5ZQMMg PATREON: http://www.patreon.com/thebigthingshow SCHMOEDOWN ARCHIVE CHANNEL: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheMovieTriviaSchmoedownArchives Ask Kristian questions for next time! https://facebook.com/harloff Become a Patreon of the Schmoedown: http://patreon.com/schmoedown OTHER GREAT CONTENT: REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT368qY7sfE0nKE4c04CqGvu TV REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT1LU-t2Z9AD5UJDiWW4pS_E STAR WARS SHOW https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT0XmfpbblkF9PY7uO2qhbN6 THE BIG THING PODCAST https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT3KAwbzDsv6mdR-gwUiydQg - CM Punk Interview: https://youtu.be/R8Js8uj6GfE FOLLOW KRISTIAN + FIND HIM ON CAMEO https://cameo.com/kristianharloff https://twitter.com/kristianharloff https://facebook.com/harloff https://instagram.com/kristianharloff Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What's up, everybody? Happy Monday. Everybody had a great weekend. I have my glasses on my shirt still. How's everyone doing? I hope wonderful. I hope you had a good weekend. I'm excited about today's show, man. A lot of different reasons.

One, I got my buddy Jake Lewis on the show today. If you guys, you saw I've been doing stand-up lately, you know, over the course, like, the last, like, six months, this dude's one of the main reasons that I was able to do that, and we'll talk about that a little bit more. It's also one of the main reasons. You remember that Robin Williams short, that came out a little bit with our buddy, Jamie Costa.

He's like the brains behind a lot of this magic that you see online. We'll talk to Jake about that. And he's pretty fucking funny. I'm not going to tell him to be funny on this show. If he's not, then that's a tough shift for you. You've got to go see him live. Him and his brother are hilarious. You'll see the Lewis brothers.

We'll talk about them, though. But I've also talked about this, Cobra Kai. You guys know how much I love Cobra Guy. Well, I got the one-end only Terry Silver. That's right. us Ian Griffith. We sat down about half an hour and talked. He was so generous with this time. We're going to have that on today's show. And a couple other things. Whatever we get into, this is one of those conversations. I like the Monday episodes because you never know where it's

going to go. A lot of times we'll talk about whether it's Lord of the Rings or Game of Thrones or Star Wars or whatever the fuck. But today is, today's just a conversation, man, with a friend. So get ready for it. And by the way, if you haven't done it already, please, please, please, please. If you're brand new to the channel, give me a favor and hit that subscribe button. Thank you so much. And as you see in the top corner over here, carbon health, man. Carbon health. I'm excited that carbon health is with us.

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The reason why it's looking the way it does right now is because you guys, you advanced it. All right, let's get into this. It's a big thing. It's me. It's Jake Lewis. Let's party. What's up, rats? Is that a nice way to talk to your audience, I guess, in the morning on a Monday? What's up, rats? Do me a favor.

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Let's talk about my guest. Jake Lewis is here. What's up, dude? What's going on, man? You know this. I really don't. You know, good talking about it. I'm not that experience with the podcasting.

Your experience with the microphone. That's true. And well done with that microphone, by the way. Oh, I appreciate it, sir. So for people who don't know, as I mentioned earlier, you and I met through Jamie Costa, who I guess recommend. So let me ask you quite,

it was something I always wanted to ask you, and I didn't ask you in person. Go for it. So when Jamie recommends you, because you start running these stand-up shows, because you made your mark in both sketch comedy and directing and doing all that, right? So you start doing stand-up comedy shows

because you were interested in it, right? Yes. It was mainly like, I did stand-up and sort of sketch, but at Second City, and it was always sort of like a mash-up of the two, like where it would be more of like a one-man show sort of thing. Like I would do stand-up,

and then it would kind of break out into song or whatever. But kind of during the pandemic, I got more interested in just like, just want to be on stage and in front of people again. And talk and kind of just vets. Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah. Because, like, I kind of went into more of, like,

filming on my own and making sketches and making short films. Yeah. And then I just kind of missed during the pandemic, just being around people and having that immediate response from people. Yeah, well, and you've been getting it. So you do your own show, and you had flappers, right? So you start doing that. And so Jamie then says to you, hey, I know these assholes,

Mark Ellis and Christian Harlough, right? So, and that's exactly how we... I'm sure he did. And you should put him on stage. Do you get hesitant or do you trust in Jamie? Or how does that work? I'm not knowing us. I trust Jamie.

And you know, he showed me some of your stuff. You're a very funny man. That's not true. Now, you guys are great. The show is great, big fan. Thank you. Mark Ellis is fantastic. And yeah, I do trust Jamie.

And he's a strong-willed individual. He's like, do it. So he's like, put the... these guys on. I'm telling you, they're good. You know? I owe Jamie a lot. He pushed. And I trust him. And, you know, anyone Jamie's friends with, I'm sure, is a good dude. Well, so, and so then I got a chance to do your show. And it was funny because I hadn't, I jumped on, I was on a show in New York. So I kind of falsely build the first time I did

your show. And your name is the comedy story. It's on the comedy. Yeah. But I hadn't done, but I hadn't done, I mean, I did a show in New York, I think, like once I jumped up with on Mark's show. I think like a year before your show. So I kind of falsely built that I hadn't been on stage in like 12 years. However, in L.A., I hadn't been on stage in like 12 years. So it wasn't fully a lot. But I'd gotten up there and I got familiar with that room

because I had never done flappers before. And it's a fun room. It's a fun thing. Do you find it challenging to manage that whole show plus, you know, perform every one that you do? Yes. I do. Well, no, because, like, I love the aspect of performing,

but like I get nervous for everyone who's going to go on stage. Sure. And a lot of like when we get sort of comedians that are sort of more established comedians, they're doing three shows a night, you know, all over town. So it's hard for them to kind of bring in people to every show. Right. So it's like I also like to find open micers that I think are funny. Yeah.

You know what I mean? And give them a shot. and I know they're going to invite people out because they're doing the main room at flappers on a weekend. And they want to come back. Yeah, but I get nervous for those guys. Of course. I'm like, I hope they're good. Right, right, right.

Because it's always tough. So Jake and I were talking about this, and I've told this story on stage, I mean, not on stage, on this show. We even called Ken to talk about it. There was only really five people in the room when this happened, and I have to tell it again because it's just fucking hilarious. So Jake had booked myself and Ken Napsuck on this show recently. It was like, I think it was like the end of July. I think it was. And so we get there, and I got there super early.

I got there really early. And as I get there, I go to the main room and here's Jay Leno on stage. You know, Jay Leno's a legend. And he's up there for about an hour or whatever he's doing. And he's up there and he's doing really well. So I go in the back room and the green room. And I want to sit down and just kind of, I'm not as young as I used to be, Jake. So I got to go and I got to sit down and I got to relax.

And so I'm sitting in the back and there's a woman in the back, the older woman. And I'm like, I don't know. She could be a manager. She could be a comedian. She could be the owner of the club. I don't know. So she's just sitting there.

And I'm a hello. Very polite to her. Ken's in there. We're talking. So there's, in you coming. And you start working on your thing. You're sitting down on the side and the three of us were talking. And then one of the newer comedians comes in.

And I had never seen her before. and that's not to say that anything except I'm just out of the scene. So she walks in and she's just, it was very reminiscent to me, though. It reminded me of the old days from me. When I, you see the comedians who were nervous who are coming in and just want to like, hey, look at me. I'm here because, like, I feel awkward and I want to let you know that I'm funny too.

And she comes in and she sits down next to this older woman. And she looks up at the screen where we see Jay Leno and she goes, whoa, Jay Leno looking rough. The older woman looks at this side and goes, that's my husband. So do you look up from your notes, and do you remember what I started doing? I started smashing Ken Napsock with my glasses. And I'm just hitting them with my glasses. And she, but she recovered somehow.

I don't know how she did it, but she recovered. Well, I immediately when, because I knew that was Jay Leno's story. It's made it. But also, like, okay, so I felt for, for, this young community. I understand she's feeling nervous. She wants to make an impression. I thought she was, I was like, oh yeah, you're, you know,

you're making your presence now. Right. Whatever. And then when she said that, I immediately was like, I just didn't want to make eye contact with her. And she was like trying to talk to me or whatever. And me and like, I was sitting next to Ken, I think. And we both just started looking around the room.

Like there's nothing to look at. We're just like looking around the room. We all, we should have done. three of us should have just left. We should resolve it. You know what? I think we should go out there. The Homer Simpson out the back.

But it was like, but you know what I was bummed about though? Because she said she goes, because she owned it that she fucked up. And she goes, oh man, I wonder if I should say anything about the stage. I'm like, absolutely you should. And she didn't. She didn't say anything. And I was like, how do you not mention that? That's a hilarious story.

I know. It's so. And honestly, like, credit to her, because she did. bounce. I think that I would have just passed away in that line. I would not the idea of like, like, shitting on Jay Leno in front

Jay Leno's wife, I'd be like, and also Jay Leno at Flappers, especially, is royalty. He's like, he's like the guy. He is the guy at Flavers. He's the guy. He comes in, yeah, he's the guy. And and so, and, but to Mavis's credit, she's like, yeah, he looks a little rough

right now. You know, he's tired, and he's doing this? Oh, and you know how she recovered is. She's like, well, I'm so used to seeing him on TV, and he has a tie and his hair is combed. And he wasn't, he didn't have his hair combed. And whatever she said. Whatever she did. She were covered, I think.

She tried to. She didn't, she didn't, she didn't, she was a deer in headlights, but she didn't look like one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was, yeah. It was hilarious. I mean, it was hilarious. I mean, that was, and that was all anybody could talk about for the whole night.

And I was like, the fact that I kept that in and didn't say it on stage. She was like, it's so weird now, like the moods that I get before I go up on stage. Like, I think, like, the second show, I've done like three shows for you, I think now. Yeah. And I think the second one was the one I had the most fun at because I walked in. I remember the first one I was, you know, the nerves were there because I hadn't done it in a bit. And I, and Mark was like, yeah, you have your set and you're understanding what you want to do. And then when I saw Mark the second time, he's like, oh, you're in this movie.

He's like, you're going to do well. And that was the one. I think that was the one I wanted of putting up on this channel, put up like a bit for this channel. And I was just in that mood where earlier in the day, I was in kind of like, it's some kind of funky mood. And it actually, it helped. It's like when I'm in a really good mood,

it's like, it could go either way. But like if I'm in like a... You need a bit of an edge. Yeah, I was in, I definitely had an edge that the second show. The third, that's why I, so Jake has a show. Well, by the time this airs, the show was on Friday, it was on Friday night or Saturday.

Yeah, yeah, Friday night. It was tonight. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we're taping us tonight. So I'll make sure that it, even though this is not, this is taping afterwards. We'll put a little thing out there

so you guys know if you want to see it. In the past, you go ahead and go see it. But I'll also put it on my Twitter beforehand. But it was one of the reasons that I, and to Jake's credit, Jake has asked me every single time he does his show and is very, very kind to ask me to do every one of his shows. And I had to turn this one down.

The other times it was like, right, it was still balanced. My kid wasn't vaccinated at one point. this that she is now and all that, which was, that I don't need to worry about it anymore, right? But like, and I was being completely honest with Jake, and he's like, hey, so I have a show. I'm okay, great. What time's your show? It's like, if it's 9.30, it's like 10.30.

I'm like, grandpa is not making it out. Honestly, I regret accepting the show. I don't not want to go do a show tonight at 10 o'clock. I don't want to do it. Yeah, because that's, that's, why so late tonight? I'm just curious. I don't know. They, like, were really.

the shows have been selling well the past couple times. And so they were just like, they started asking like that last time it was our first Saturday night. And now they're like, do you want just Friday nights? Like, can you do Friday nights the rest of the year? That's great. Like one show a month. And I was like, I'm down, but they didn't tell me that it was 10. 10.

It starts at 10. It starts at 10. But like, yeah, you know, that starts at 10. Yeah. So you'll be, I mean, especially because you do, and Jake does a very funny, like, you do like 20, 25 minutes. Yeah. And so. And the songs that you're coming up with,

and you're always changing, you're changing it as you're up there. Like a lot of times, like, you'll move the, I mean by that is like the order of where you place. Yeah, I'll move the lawn furniture around. Right, right, 100%. Yeah. So are you constantly, you're coming up with,

because you and your brother started your thing together, right? Yeah, so we started like our, the Lewis brothers. Me, Sam, and his wife Jenna is the editor. Okay. And me and Sam are writing partners, and we started doing sketch comedy just on, you know, just posting sketch comedy videos online. Right. Which turned into like Facebook kind of picked us up for a while to do like original content for them. That's awesome.

Which like no one cares about Facebook. Anymore, but back then they did. Back then it was working. It was the thing. It was the thing. And we kind of like we started getting more attention with the Justice League chat videos, which is like, all the Justice League members on a Skype call. Oh, I think, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Because I first heard about you guys, obviously, through Jamie again, too, because you guys had done a bunch of stuff with Jamie, and he used to post it. And then I was like, oh, yeah, that guy's really funny. Oh, I appreciate it. Yeah, no, it was like, it was true. And because when he, that's how I knew when he was like, yeah, my buddy, Jake Lewis, I'm like, that's the guy you do the videos with. And he's like, yeah, absolutely.

So, and jumping back into that, because you, how did you and Jamie meet, by the way? So we were doing Justice League chat, which is, which is, yeah, that series where like weekend warriors, it's not about them like saving the world or anything. It's about like the fact they all live in different cities. And so how do they communicate in between times? They all have a group chat that they do like kind of Zoom, you know? And, you know, everyone has powers.

So they can all meet up pretty quickly except for Batman who takes like a little bit long. And that's usually the butt of the joke is that he can't really, he can't move with the agility as like everyone else can. But like we were looking. for a Joker in that series. And Robin was originally supposed to be... Ridler.

Yeah, or he was actually, he was cast as Joker in the original Batman. Burton's one? Yeah, and he lost it to Jack Nicholson. It was actually like a big... Oh, right. And then he was... And then he was kind of...

And then he came back because he was supposed to do Ridler with Schumacher, right, right, right. And then, so we reached out because he just became big because that Robin Vine thing. So we reached out to him like, oh, like, would you play Joker in this series? Oh, wow.

And he was down. He just moved to L.A. Oh, that's funny. So that's maybe, what, 2015, 2016? Yeah, and we were shooting at, like, Sunset, Las Palma Studios. Okay. And so he came by, and ever since then, we've just, we've been working on just so many different things with each other. And, like, so he had a perfect Mark Hamel Joker, so he kind of did that.

He does. that he did that Mark Hamill Joker for that series. And then ever since then, I've just, like, I ask him to do, like, things where I'm like, I love The Shining. Like, can you do a Jack Nicholson thing, like, for The Shining? And, like, sometimes he's very precious over his impressions, as you know. He is, he is hard to,

he'll say no if he's uncomfortable, but I ask him all the time to tell him. He'll probably get mad at me for saying this. But, like, I had him on. We were on Jedi Council, and you guys are doing a project. together that's coming out. You know?

Yes. And so when he first came, when he first came on, I was asking him, because I've always done this thing with him where I kind of like throw scenarios at what we did at your show. Jamie came on stage and with me and I kind of threw scenarios at him and he did it. And I was doing that, but I forgot. He told me before. And he's like, if we were doing a few, just I don't want to do, Robin, I'm not going

to do today for obviously. That's absolutely fine. And he's like, I don't want to do Jack right now. Yes, because the thing. And I forgot. So I didn't throw Robin at him because that I remember pretty clear. But I asked him, I think it was like Jack Nicholson as like Mace Window or something, right? But he still did it.

And he did it. And then he's like, can you cut it out? And I was like, yeah, I cut it out. But it was hilarious. But I wanted to show respect to the fact that he asked for it. But you're right. He does, he's very, he's the sweetest guy in the world. Yes.

But he's very protective over his ship. He's very protective. Yeah. Very protective, which, yeah, like, that always makes things like, because I'll ask them, like, I'm a little bit more like, I'll do whatever. Yeah, well, let me ask you that, though, because let's talk about that Robin. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because that, so for people who don't know, Jake directed that short that blew up,

the one that everybody saw, if you didn't know Jamie Costa, before that, you did. And I have a reaction on this channel to that short, And I think it's like the only way you can actually see the damn thing now is on my channel. So it's and it was, and Jamie had sent that to me way before it came out. And I remember then it was released. And I was like, oh, yeah. And then you directed it. So how did that, A, tell me about how it all came about.

And then what it was like after the thing hit the internet and just kind of took over. Well, so we were, me and Jamie, like, I. reached out to him during pandemic, which everybody was not doing anything during the pandemic. So we're all just like, you know, really just trying to find something to do, some work to do. And so I reached out to him as like, I bet you I can make you the biggest TikToker in the world. I was like, I bet you I could do it. I was like, just let me just write things for you. And I'll just, I'll write things for you.

We'll just start posting. And he was resistant at first and that, but then he got into it, you know. and so I just we kind of worked together all throughout pandemic where we were just like that was our that was our pandemic bubble and we were just working together and I was just like writing bits for him to do and we were just we were just doing the TikTok stuff and we were just kind of labbing in that sort of way and then it kind of was presented to him to do a a like through a producer to do a Robin thing. Right.

And the first thing he said was like, you know, like he came to me and Sam, my brother, Sam Lewis, to write the short, the short conceptual piece for a bigger film. Right. So me and Sam started doing a bunch of research together. And, you know, Jamie had the idea to do that scene, to do the scene of... With Pam? Yeah, with Pam. where he finds out John Belushi, whatever.

So me and Sam did a bunch of research. We talked to people who were close to Robin. Oh, wow. That we had connections with. And so we kind of put this piece together, and then it just all kind of came together so quickly where, like, so I directed that, and then I sat with Jamie in an editing room, and I edited it.

And, yeah, when we initially made it together, we weren't expecting to release it. It was supposed to just be like... A thing. A thing that bring around to shop around. And then I remember like nothing was really happening with it. And Jamie called me the morning... Jamie called me the one morning

and it was just basically like, what do we do? We're just sitting on this thing. And he's like, should we like... Oh, actually, I got this story wrong a little bit. I saw that someone somehow had it and posted it on TikTok. Oh, okay. Like, so it leaked.

I don't know how it leaked. There was producers involved. It was whatever people were sending around. A few people, whoever, someone who had seen it had a hold of it and then said, this is too good to be sitting on this. Yeah, so it got released on TikTok. It got released on Reddit. And so he was just like, we need to get ahead of this thing.

I was like, yeah, sure. Release it. Right. And so he released it that morning. And I didn't think anything of it. I was like, I don't know how it got leaked or whatever. So you didn't think, do you think it was going to? I didn't think it was going to do anything.

Really? I genuinely didn't think he was. He was asking, what should I write for the credits? I was like, I don't know, whatever you want. You know what I mean? That thing just caught fire. And so he posted it and I went to the gym that morning. I put my phone in a locker and I went into the gym.

And when I went back to my phone, it like blowing up. But the first text I saw was. was from my brother and he's like, dude, we're in People magazine. Wow. And I was, I literally,

I was like, the first feeling I felt was kind of like fear. Yeah. And I immediately was calling Jamie to make sure like he was okay or something. Because then I looked at, I googled it and it was everywhere,

but people were sending me screenshots of my name being mentioned in people and CNN and Entertainment Tonight. And I was just like, it was scary at first. It was overwhelming. But then, of course, like very exciting and it was amazing. Well, I thought was, and it was true,

because Robin's daughter was getting hit up with a bunch of stuff too, and I thought the way that she handled it was pure class. And I thought that she said, listen, I have nothing against Jamie Costa and the people that made it, right? It's like, it's an amazing, it's an amazing performance, but stop sending it to me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it's like, it's just not something I want to see because, you know, it's my dad and there's this pain and there's this thing.

And everyone's like, all right. You know, Zoe, Zoe was like, when she said it, you're like, okay, we get it. But there was, it was, because I totally just, there was, there was like two arguments, right? There was the one argument that said that it was just a pure impression and that was it. And I was like, you're crazy. You're a crazy person if you think that. And then when you see what, it's Jamie. That's not what Jamie does.

Even though sometimes we fall back into the idea that we say it's an impression, it's a performance and it's, and he channels people. It's bizarre. He's a mutant. I called him. He's like an ex-man. He's unbelievable.

I mean, what he did on that set, like it was, it was insane. Yeah. You know, he really tapped into something. And it was,

he wanted a lot to, like, not even do it. He's like, I don't even want to do, like I was pushing him and me and Sam thought it was very important that in the beginning he'd do that like if you remember the beginning of the short he is doing a full blown like the robin that we know and I was like I think it's very important and initially he just he's like no I want to show the robin that people have never seen before and I was like I think it's important that they see that they see this part yeah and then you can transition into like wow this is behind closed doors and we meant it with like obviously Jamie is an huge fan of Robin to where he doesn't just pull that impression out which he could and it could probably get him you know he really far 100% he does he does not like to exploit it no and he and I that's one of the reasons I respect

him so much because he he he does it because of the honor like he every time that I've talked to him about it like he and he's he has said to me many times is like the reason I do it when I'm with you is because of the way you asked me to do it. It's like I don't ever feel like you're trying to exploit it. You're not trying. And like it's like there's just little things that he does that I think that work really well. And that was, I think that was a really smart move to have him up top do that Robin that we know because it, it then transitions us into the Robin that we didn't know as much. I read all of his stuff.

So I was familiar with it. I knew that scene very well. Right. So when, and because I remember watching it. when I had seen it back when Jamie sent it when you guys first did it and I'm like oh this is this is a monumental moment in his life like it's this conversation with her she said to because she said those words she said that if you do this I'll kill you if you yeah she said and it was like stop fucking around and he stopped after that or he or he leveled out leveled out yeah nothing is linear like like

like you know there's always stepbacks right whatever like there's never like no I'm better. He didn't just go cold turkey, but no, but he was, he was on a rocket ship to nowhere. Yeah. He was on a rocket ship. And after John Belushi passed away, he was like, and they had that conversation. He's like, okay, let's re-evaluate here. Exactly.

Yeah, exactly. And that kind of, yeah, so we really wanted to be respectful. and I think it affected Jamie, too, to see that Zelda said that. Yeah. But Zelda obviously was very complimentary. There was a lot of... Sorry. Oh, I said, Zoe.

No, you're right. Thank you. People were correcting me in the comments, and I said, Zoe. Yeah, yeah. Zelda was very complimentary, but, like, obviously, like, we didn't want her to be spammed with this, and we hope that it didn't hurt her, and I think that was largely the reason why Jamie took it down. So it was, you know, yeah, we meant it with nothing but respect and everything.

I think she knew that coming from you guys. Yeah, exactly. The internet's the internet. The internet's the internet. And that's the thing. And if you can't talk about it, that's cool. But did anything come about it? Oh, of the rom.

So, like, yeah, we're not, me and my brother are no longer, like, sort of involved in that side of things. it's more a Jamie's sort of thing. What me and my brother like to do is we're fascinated with Hollywood history and the idea that sort of these stories from before everyone was documenting everything and everyone was documenting their own lives and now we know stars on a different level. Very different level, yes, that's true. A very intimate level where like there's legends about Jack Nick.

There's legends about John Belushi and John Belushi in his short life Like there's so many different versions of John Belushi that people talk about and you don't really like where they go actually John Belushi was actually like this or that and they're like actually he was a lot sweeter than you think like whatever and you're like he was around for a blip Yeah, and there's these stories about him that are just like can that be true and there's that's what's fascinating to me about the era of comedy of the seven with Robin Williams, John Belushi and of Hollywood of that era, there's these stories that become tall tales. Right.

And so that's what we were more interested in telling than telling more of like a biopic that's like really by the book and that's really factual and all this sort of stuff. Like we want to tell. So that kind of inspired like we were doing another project where Jamie is going to is going to, we released a trailer to it recently. but we have a project that has John Belushi in it and is the story of the very short-lived contentious relationship

between John Belushi and Jack Nicholson on the set of Going South. Amazing. And so there's stories from that set that are all these hugely fantastic stories that we have no idea what the true story actually is. So the way we tell it is this is a fan. Right. This is a tall tale. So we're not adhering to, we're adhering to the spirit of who these people are. We're not trying to, we're not trying to tell a resume or we're not trying to hit bullet points. Right. And so this trailer is on Jamie's channel right now? Yeah, it's on Jamie's channel and on our channel. It'll be released on our channel, the Lewis Brothers channel, the full feature will. On both YouTube and Facebook? Yeah, YouTube and Facebook. And right now we're just kind of like shopping, shopping and around the festival circuit.

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And you're watching a lot of true crime stuff. Like what is Netflix stuff? Yeah, I'm watching true crime. I just can't, like when you're writing a lot, like, and I'm sure, like, it's hard for me to watch scripted stuff because it's just feels like more like I don't know I get exhausted by it yeah um but I've been watching just a lot of true a lot of true crime just like love it man um one of my watching now like I just started um there's a Netflix show about the hillside strangler I saw the the I saw that it was on there but it's it's it

the thing is like like I like the little a little creepy smile at the anime like he goes and he's like so you know there's a thing about the hillside strangler Because I do feel like I don't know why and it's it's totally morbid. I feel like people try, like it's a moral gray area to make these shows. The reason they're popular, man. The reason people are fascinated by it because then you don't ever want to, they don't ever, you know, it's not, most, 99.9% of the people watching it would never do shit like that at all. But it's fascinating to them how the brain can go there.

Well, no. And I take it to the thing where like the hillside strangling. that all happened in like my neighborhood of Los Angeles. And I love the history of Los Angeles. So I like just as of, I'm like, oh my God, that was like I, that's right next to my gym. Right. Like that's, you know. Right.

And it becomes super fascinating to me. Like I found out through listening to a podcast about the Black Dahlia that I've been driving past the lead suspect's house like every day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? And it's, that. That's where it starts getting twisted for me, where I'm like, I'm like texting my girlfriend. I'm like, I'm right next to where they probably killed this person.

Weird how that works, man, because like, I remember my mother came to visit me years ago. And I'm like, you want to go to Disneyland? Do you want to go to the grocery? I want to see where the OJ murders were. And I'm like, what are you talking about? I'm like, I mean, why? It's Brentwood. It's not too far away.

And it's like, I offered you Mickey Mouse. and you want blood. I'm like, being that close to something that horrific. I don't know, it's a very human thing where you're like, I'm standing right where like just absolutely, absolutely someone felt the worst pain that anyone's ever.

Why are we so fascinated by it? It's bizarre. It's, I do think it's because, like I said, like it's that weird, like understanding that you know that your brain, well, you hope your brain can't go there. that it can't be but it's like that what george lucas says right it's like always the dark side is in everyone it's just a matter of of of the access to it and there's it's like who does the best job of

not accessing it that's that's really what it comes to yeah exactly and i think that's why like i grapple with like why i watch it because like i literally fall asleep to it now like i put it on it's like it's soothing to me in that weird sort it's weird but uh but it's all but it's all but it's all but it's But it's also disturbing, not that you're, that you're falling asleep to it, but the fact that we, it's similar to what you just said before about how when everybody's documenting their lives and everything too. It's just like you get numb to stuff after a while. And you're almost, it's like, it's sad because you're not surprised anymore that someone

could do that. Because like you said, you could turn off that thing about the hillside thing and turn on another one. And it's different, but it's similar. because someone has gone to that place again. It's similar. And like then you watch stuff like, you watch stuff that's kind of one-off shows.

It doesn't tell like a whole arc. It's like date line where it's like one-off. And it's always pretty similar. So it's not even just like, oh, a crazy person that went and murdered a bunch of people. It's like, a guy like was married to this girl. And instead of like having a conversation with her about like, hey, maybe we should get divorced.

He decides to murder her. dead. Right. It's like where there's people's, oh, look, right now. So I had my friend on last week, or two weeks ago, Andrew Freed. So he's the producer of, um, of, uh, of, uh, chef's table and last chance to you and cheer. And he did that Val Kilmer documentary on Amazon, but he also did, let's talk about Cosby on, and I don't know if you watched that. I did watch that. So I started watching that. And it's, it's fucking hard to watch, but it's such a good documentary. It's so well And the thing is, like, I think that that puts into context, because I feel like in the media, people start to, like, joke around about stuff and they're, like, whatever.

And then it's interesting to watch where you see this timeline of, like, Cosby started off, and, like, it felt like there was a side of Cosby that did a lot of great things. Yeah, they start with that. It's amazing. Just two white guys just talking about this horrible thing. But like Cosby started off, like, doing amazing things for the black community where, like, apparently he used the stunt. The stunt. Like, he stood up for to get black stuntmen actually hired, which before then it was just white dudes and black face.

Which was crazy. I didn't know that. And it was funny because Kamal Bell, who does the whole thing is talking to people. And he's like, did you know the Cosby story? The stunt story. And they're like, no. And he's like, and it's like, well, that's, and I can't remember who they're talking to. Like, that's what I'm saying.

They couldn't believe it because they're about to talk about. And they're like, that's all the good shit that he did. I know. But then they start to play into like his old, his albums, his old albums, and he starts talking about Spanish fly. And it's like, oh, man. It's so messed up. And honestly, like, the stuff that Cosby did,

because I was listening to, because, again, I'm just consuming true crime now, like 24-7, I was listening to a podcast about the Zodiac, the same time I was watching that. And I was like, I swear to God, I think Cosby is, like, it's more disturbing hearing about Cosby stuff than hearing about the Zodiac. It's crazy. He's, I think he's, like, I mean, I'm in, I know what you're saying, but like he just, it's, it's crazy when you go, because again, Camel Bell was going through.

He's like, look, before I was born. Or when I was really young, Cosby was doing this stuff. Like, look at the examples. Look at the accusation. And you're like, holy shit. the number of victims. Crazy. And the stories that they're coming through and it's like,

but just the idea of it and the amount of people that they had to talk about. And I'm only like two episodes in. And it's just, I'm sure it gets like crazier and crazier as it goes on. But it's like, but anyway, my point is like, it's stuff like that that I was watching.

I watched those things time to time. I'm most like right now, that is one of, and I, like I start watching Chef's Table Pizza, which he also did. And I'm just a pizza fanatic, right? So watching that was I prefer those types of things.

Like because when the deeper, darker psyche of people, I know that people can get there and the ugliness of it. I understand that people like Mark Riley, buddy of mine as well too, like loves a shit. And a lot of people do. I just, it's hard for me to venture in there. And honestly, if my friend didn't produce the Conspea thing, I don't know if I would have watched it.

Yeah. But I'm now that, but that's my problem. If I lock into episode one, I got to finish it. That's the thing you need to, you have, yeah, you're completest. Yes. My wife is not, right? So, like, I'll start a piece of shit, and I got to finish it. Like, Morbius.

It's like, nobody needs to finish Morbius. But I finish Morbius. Oh, no, I'm the same way with horror movie franchises. You gotta finish it. Like, literally, I become a collector of, I think it's because I have horrible anxiety. That's why I watch, like, true crime. And, like, and horror movies. I love horror movies because it kind of takes me out of my own stuff

where I can just be enveloped with, like, don't go up this. stairs or something. You know what I mean? Like I can just be completely taken out of my own like really not that important worries and be completely enveloped into life and death situations. Yeah. And like the most horrific stuff ever. It's like, it's like, I don't know, it completely takes me out of my head where like now I have a hard time watching comedy because I'll just like. Comedy's for me are tougher these days to the audience those. Like it's, it's because I don't know. I just don't find a lot of stuff funny these days.

But there's, like, and when, and when... You spend so much time analyzing what's fine. I think that's, that's partially it. And I think, like, but I got a kick out of Korbukai and we'll, we'll transition to that in a little bit. I finish the first two seasons. I'm completely behind.

Yeah, it's, it's been, it's been really good. And I like what they've done with it. And I think that Billy Zapka is, is hilarious in the show. I think that, uh, that chosen, uh, character, uh, Yuji, uh, is, is hilarious in this. season, but there's things that are, that I absolutely find funny. I still, I think, well, no, shit, I'm pointing to the wall like it used to be there. I have it, I have it over there.

I'll show you that it's a poster with myself, Brett Ernst from Coburkeye and Sebastian, Manuscalco. Oh, nice. You guys see how ridiculous. Here, you know what, I'll, I'm going to, you can do a little, little monologue. I want to show you this thing. Hold on a second. There you go.

Okay. Well, as I was saying, yeah, I have to watch a bunch of horror movies. I watched all of the, Final Destinations recently. I don't recommend it. It's tough. You can display this. Look how old this is.

Look how old this is. Wow. It's so old. Look at that. That is amazingly old. Look at that stupid hair. It's the look. Brett Ernst, he's on, he's on Cobra Car right now.

It's cousin Louis. Yeah, you're dressed like Joey from friends. 100%. Yeah, well, because I figured I had to be, I had to look like them, although that was my headshot at the time. But it was Sebastian, you know. What are you dying? Why, if there's a woman sitting in a room and you don't know who she is,

don't say Jay Leno looks rough. Most likely he's fucking her. Honestly, that's an amazing impression, man. I've known Sebastian for a lot. I'll make a very, I'll make a short film where you get to play. Sebastian. In his darkest moment. He's a way better dresser, man.

Anyway. So that being said, I also, oh, for other people, Jake is, one of the things, too, I said this last time when I went on Jake's show, Jake books a lot of young people. And that's a good thing. It's a smart thing for, because those are people who are going to come out to your show at 10 o'clock at night. So I was up on stage the last time, and I went up on there and I said, I go, all right, who's married out here? Nobody clapped. And I go, all right, what are our relationships?

How long have you been a relationship for? And the guy goes, two months. I think my next words are, fuck this. But I can't remember. I said, because you got to remember, it's like this time loop for me and stand up. that when I was going up on stage, I wasn't too far off from your age when I was up there. So I had that same type of energy that you have.

And I said this to you and I had breakfast. I'm getting old. Like, I'm getting old. Like, do you ain't old? And I had, and I had that kind of energy. And that's, and I told Kate Mulligan afterwards. I'm like, it's the first time I did stand up and I felt like the old guy. You know, and I hated that.

I hated it. It has nothing to do with you. It has nothing to do with you. You. This is, this isn't, this isn't, it's not you, it's me. And, and I hate it inside of it. And I'm like, but that's, that's the, that's the accepting your own, you know, mortality type thing. And that's your realizing going, yeah, you just got to evolve with it. You know what I mean? But the beauty is the reason why you can get a little older, you got to get yourself some, some, some gym. I was like, where? Oh, where's that going? I just, they just sent this stuff to me,

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I'm doing one a month. So we'll have, I'm starting. Starting with the Halloween shows. Like, I just love Halloween. So I'm starting a Halloween show tonight, but last Friday from this. But we'll have another Halloween show next week. Well, yeah, we'll have a show November show. And I like to theme them off of the holidays.

I like that. I like that. So are you keeping the Friday 10 o'clock one? Yes, I believe. I got to start drinking coffee. Yeah. I think that's, I think that's. I think someone has to do energy.

You got to come out, man. It's the truth. It's like tough shit, buddy. You don't want to get there. It's like, that's my fucking show. So anyway, guys, please check out Jake Lewis and check him out on, you can go to the Lewis Brothers, whether it's on Facebook or YouTube. Yeah, the Lewis Brothers videos. Do you look right down the barrel?

No, no, no, no, tell them. I have not been doing that this whole time. No, you have. That's okay. No, when we're talking, no, you're plugging your shit, you got it. How's it going? You got to bring the guitar in next time. actually have it in the car, but I, just because I don't think I'm going to be able to go home later.

Okay. But go to the Lewis Brothers video channel, okay, on YouTube. We'll have the cowboy and the samurai coming out very soon, okay, the story of Jack Nicholson and John Belushi. And come out to flappers. You got to come out. You got to come out. So let me ask you a question. If the answer is don't feel obligated, if you don't feel like doing it, then you got to say no.

I'm going to throw it to this cobra Kai interview. And I'm going to go. When we come back to close out, do you want to sing a song? I'll sing a song. Let's fucking do it. Let's do it. All right, listen. So, Jake's going to get the guitar before we do that, I wanted to prep you guys. Cobra Kai, season five, it is out right now. And as you've seen in this channel, I had Mary Mouser on who plays Samantha LaRousseau. I had the creators of the show on.

I had Sean Canaan on who plays Mike Barnes coming back. And I've wanted for so long to speak to Thomas. Ian Griffith. I had an opportunity who was going back and forth of them on Twitter, and I said, I'd love to opportunity to sit down. He's like, look, I watch your interviews. I'm like, holy shit, that's great. He's like, yeah, so what do you want to do? I was like, let's do it. And we sat down for half an hour and talk,

and we talked about everything. So here is my interview with the great Thomas Ian Griffith from Cobur Kine, Cryotic Kid. Here he is. Enjoy. I did not lie to you. Ladies and gentlemen, I am joined. I've been wanted to talk to this guy forever and I finally got an opportunity to be so generous with this time.

You know him as Terry Silver, Emperor Palpatine, if you will, the one and only Thomas Ian Griffith. Sir, thank you so much and how are you? Fantastic, Christian. Good to meet you. It's very nice to meet you. So let's get into this thing, man. So the first thing I want to, I want to jump back into, what was it, 1988? Is that when you got cast in the film?

Yep, 88, 89, yeah. So that was one, and that was the first big movie that you had ever done, yeah? Literally. First film role. In fact, we were out, we were from New York and we moved out to Los Angeles. My wife was on a TV show and we were going back for the Christmas holidays and we missed an audition. The days he had to beep into your machine to get the call and it's like, ah, go by. And I went by the casting office and they said, a John Afton's on set, Warner Brothers.

you know what, just go by. And, you know, they said, you really know karate? And it's like, yeah, this is, I really do. And I'm sure every actor walking in the room said, you know, they're like, okay, right, just go. And they were screen testing actors on set at Warner Bros. And I met Alveson.

And I read the scene. He goes, hey, can you stick around? We're going to, because Ralph Montch is here. I was like, oh, man, this is okay. This would be great. And so then I went on to do this. do the scene and it's like I'm looking at the pages and he just took him away from me and he says you're in New York act you just go improvise and I went and I had fun and then he said uh

come back the next day and we're going to do an official screen test you know we have to work out a deal whatever so I showed up at Warner Brothers the next day and they had a um you know wardrobe and they had this white guy and like you know fake black belt and it's like oh man I feel so uncomfortable my hair was really long and was like hey let's just pull it back and get it out of his face That was literally what they wanted, just to say, so they could see his face. And it ended up sticking. And I called my wife, fiancé, at the time, and said, hey, will you just bring me my guy, you know, my black guy, because, you know, I was working on in Taekwondo and teaching.

And once I put it on, I go, no, I own it, you know. I walked on and did the scene. But even then, the script was changing so much. I was like, am I playing the young fighter that fights him at the end or the 45-year-old. year old teacher. It's like, what's the deal? You know, because I'm 29 going, I don't fit either role. And then when I got out of it was like, don't worry, we're changing it all for you. Just go for it. And it was like, this whole Vietnam thing, well, this work. And it's like, we're just going for it. That's why I stopped asking questions about all that and just

commit it, you know. So you, so that's interesting. When you, so when you initially went in, were you supposed to play the dude that fought him at first? Because you guys, because I didn't know Christian. I think they had it in mind. I'd be the teacher because I'm 6'4. I had to sign on the scene when great with Ralph. And I could be imposing with him. And I knew the world.

And at the time that the character didn't do any martial arts, he was like the teacher. And then I saw Pat Johnson, the fight choreariff for there. I was like, oh, man, we got to tell them, we do all these New York tournaments. You got to tell you really do it. And you know, so then they worked it into the script that I'm, you know, breaking boards and kicking ass.

Which is awesome because it's even more awesome when you think about it now because of ultimately where Terry Silver has ended up. And because that comes from that evolution of that, you know, of you developing that character from your personal experiences. That's pretty fascinating. Isn't that crazy? And it was so fortuitous on so many levels. And then, you know, just getting this job.

And, you know, for me, it was, you know, this is the guy that did Rocky. So I'm going, whatever he says, I am going for 100%. You know, I'm just going for it. You know, and he kept saying that, you know, we want this bigger than life archetypal character. He wants every kid in America kicking me in the shins. And it was like, okay, let's do it, you know.

And Ralph and everybody, Pat, they were just so welcome, you know, to come in, you know, they had a couple of, you know, was a franchise by then so successful. And so for me, It was just like a fantastic experience. You know, the movie was so-so, but still, my experience was great. You know what's crazy about that, though, when you say that the movie was so-so, it said, obviously, and after the first two had that,

it had that more, I mean, even though Okinawa, the second movie when you look at it, there's some crazy shit going on in it, but it still goes to the, a little bit more realistic. And then what's funny is that the third one now, when Cobra Kai has done something because I'll be completely up front and honest with you, I always loved you and Barnes in the third one, but to me the third one,

it didn't carry the same kind of weight, but it was the stuff that you guys were doing. And I think that that's why the fans responded to you guys the way that they did. But when you watch Cobur Kai now, without all the outrageous crazy shit that goes on in the show, it has elevated that movie. I don't know if you've heard that even more so now.

I think, you know, the Terry Silver character did, what he did in the franchise, the film franchise was he brought this energy. And it needed that. It needed to, you know, yes, some of it's, you know, crazy over the top. And but some of it's very grounded. So it's like, but it was a character you go, I don't know what's going on. It was unpredictable.

And I think that's what the guys tapped into because when they first approached me, it was like, you know, how will this character work? And I thought it may be an episode or two. And truthfully, it probably wouldn't have been my thing, you know, to go back and do this type of thing. And then when they talked me through what they had in mind, literally had mapped out this incredible arc. And they had answered all the questions. What was this guy doing for the last 30 years?

You know, you play the piano. We're going to work in the piano. You're, you know, you're well read. He's a great reader. You know, and it's like all these things that you go, oh, God, I got to do this now. It's great. You know. It's exciting to hear that too because like even what I like about the guys,

every time I get to talk to them about what they do, it's that they're such massive fans, obviously, of the franchise. and when they looked at the absurdity at some of the stuff and some of the over-the-top stuff that, as you said, was going on in that third movie, that they play that into the fourth season

when you come in and you talk to my out, you were coked up out of your mind. I love that. And I read that monologue. It's like, okay, these guys get it. It's period. It's right, you know. And he's looking back and saying,

this was absurd. What I was absurd. You know, I stopped everything in my world, world and life to come back and torture a kid about a karate tournament in the valley, which the whole premise of the show is ridiculous. And that's the beauty of it, I think. You know, you say, you get past that. And then within that world, what they created, it has harm.

It has moments of real emotion, moments that are actually really scary, real drama going on. And the only way to pull that off is by committing 100%. You can't, you know, pull back and go, it's more for kids. You just got to go for it. At least that was my take. No, you're right. It's committing to it, but it's also loving it. And you can tell that they love it, but you can tell that you guys are having fun doing it.

And it's very similar. So my whole background came in stand-up comedy, and it's always the whole thing of like when you're on that stage, you know, like they know. If you're not committed, that audience can smell it. And it's the same thing with the stuff like five seasons to do a show and keep people committed. It's not easy to do. And I just had that conversation today where, like, Because I was, I was curious, as being the big karate kid fan that I was, like, when they, when they announced that they were doing it, I was like a lot of the people going, uh-oh, what are they going to do? Are they going to make it, like, is, you know, coming from the hot tub time machine guys and everything?

Like, is it going to be like super goofy? And it wasn't. And it was love put on it. But then the second one, the kids start flipping off trees and doing stuff. And I'm like, is this going to go too crazy? And it doesn't. It does this like, it's very similar to me what like Fast and Furious did. Fast and Furious had to change and flip it.

And like, even though there's some stuff, because you mentioned Terry Silverwell, what he was, how he knew in season four that this is crazy that I was, I was coked up and I'm torturing this kid. But in season five, he's doing it even more so now. And he's like, bat shit. But that's what I think the guys do so well. I mean, it's bad shit, great. I mean, what he's doing. But then they will keep grounding it. They'll keep going back and saying, God, it kind of makes sense, you know.

And I think that's what they tapped into with Terry Silver to say, we don't want to lose. that glee. This guy enjoys what he does. Give him the good adversary. He's going to rise to the occasion. But there's something about it that you go, those moments of truth that they sprinkle throughout. So what he's saying is like, well, it kind of makes sense. I can understand it. Yeah. And there's an actor going in, you got to go in without judgment. You say, how can I relate to this? What's that commonality I can find with this guy? And it's like, God, this sense of loyalty. That, you know, in the movie version, priest was on the streets. He comes to me. You saved my life. I'm going to do anything for you.

He comes back again and four. It's like, this is the last thing I want to do in season four is go back into this world. But there's something, I'm devoted to this guy. I have to, you know, give him what he needs, you know. And then slow to, and even in season four, I love that, he was like, John, that didn't work back then. Let's change it now to why we started this thing in the first place, which was a, so it's sort of reality-based.

And then because I think you can ground it, then you can ground it, then you can go to these great places. Yeah, it's, it's true. And like, so, so let's talk about that, though, because, like, he, he is, it is, he is the ultimate villain, obviously, in this one. And as I told you when we were going back and forth, I'm to try to schedule this, that you were like, to me, I'm a Star Wars junkie, right? And that's, you become Palpatine. You become the emperor. But the thing is, but the, the emperor, he had, he had a master, right? And like, and eventually he surpassed him and, and killed him. And that's exactly what happened here, because Terry Silver was living in peace. He was, he was fine. And now he's like, he's even worse than he was, but it's still

Crease's fault. Creece grabbed them and pulled them back out. So, you know, be careful what you wish for. And then that ultimate betrayal to be betrayed like that, to say, wait a second, you're going to try to manipulate me, you know, and I realize he's not, when you commit to something in your life, and Terry Silver has the Coburkeye way and this philosophy and how important that is. And then you realize, oh, the guy you're partnered with really isn't that commitment. He's got a weakness and it's like this whole thing. It's like, no, no, no. You know, it's time to go and really do it right.

You know, that's why season five was a blast to start off saying, hey, he's king of the world right now. And he gets to make that dream come true. And it's going back to that thing. Like when you go back and you look at the stuff that happens in Karate Kid 3, there's so many things that the guys pulled from what he tells Daniel. He goes, like, I'm going to take over the whole valley. I'm going to take over all of it.

And they use that. And what I thought was really interesting in this season was when that what you think is a throwaway line about who we studied with. No, that's who we really studied with. Yeah, from Korea. I mean, that's why these guys literally, they know the film franchise inside out and taking that hold of master from Korea and then bringing back, you know, this incredible female master. It all, it sort of all comes together. And I love that they do that. And also they gave me the chance to say, you know, before, you know, again, what are the good qualities you can relate to Ontario?

It's like, I went to Ralph, or Ralph, I went to Daniel Laruso and said, you know what? You took Chosen, you infiltrated my studio. And I'm, I still give him an off ramp. Right. Do you just walk away. You do you. Let me do my thing. So it's like, and no, I couldn't do it.

So you get what you deserve, man. Let's go. Let's do it. And let's talk about, I mean, so working with Eugene and work at Chosen, I mean, as I said, I think this is your season and I think this is his season. He is off-the-old. Wow. So talk to me about working with him and what it was like in those moments because you guys have some really special moments. You know, I didn't know, Eugene. My wife had worked with him on a movie that did a couple, playing a husband and wife, of all things.

And they got along great. and but I was working a shot in Hawaii and I think New Zealand was second one. So seeing him and meeting him, you know, he's a very, you know, quiet, reserved guy, but I loved how committed he was. Yes. Okay, we're going to go to this place.

And at the end of season four, when they were doing that big weapons tournament, you know, they had talked about me and Chos and having this mono-imano. And I was going, God, there's going to be so many karate fights. How do we elevate this? So I went to, and I found out, Don Lee, our fight choreographer, is an expert weapons guy.

I said, hey, I'm really good swords. Let's do something. And so we pitched it to the guys, and they were like, yeah, it could be. And I was thinking, yeah, they don't want to hear it from an after right now. And sure enough, season five, we read it. And it's like, again, they took that idea and they have him with the size, very, you know, defined who he was. But then the thing was, it's, you know, with these fights, you only have so much time, rehearsal time, whatever. And, you know, this is my world.

I've done it my whole life. So I'm very control. I'm very comfortable with that. But now we're adding another element. We're taking these sorts. All of a sudden the danger factor has gone. And it's like, oh, you can't be screwing around here. And that UG was just so committed to say, we're going to work it to death.

We're going to make it safe. So when the time comes, we can just let it out. And the truth was that first time when we square off, you saw John, Jay, and Josh taking out their cell phones. You know, the fan boring out going, oh, here's a bad guy from Karatea 2, the bad guy from Krodite 3. And I even felt it.

It was just electric. You know, there's a danger factor. And, you know, you just thrive for that stuff to say. There's something you can lock into. You could tell that you were getting really into that, though, too. Even how excited you were getting, like, kind of taunting him. I'm like, oh, he's having a blast doing this. And then you go, oh, you're in a rehearsal studio working it.

And then that night, you know, you're in water. And it's freezing cold. You know, all these elements. And you go, this is only working for us. You know, it's worth firing on all cylinders. It was. And as much as I love, you know, the Terry Silver character, you pissed me off and you slashed him with that sword, man.

You, I was like, you do me, oh, you hope you didn't take out chosen. You know, well, there's a whole storyline that sort of got, you know, got cut that, I don't know if the guys even want to talk about. But there's a whole, there's one element with the Terry thing that, you know, know, it sort of helped you understand, like, I'm not afraid to die right now. That's going. You know, so I think that. And I think it worked without it.

You know, you look at it now when I watch it. It's like, okay, it still works. But there was that element to say, if this is it, this is it. That's why at the end when he had him at the, you know, the sword to his throat, the side to his throat, it's like, go ahead, do it. You know, Terry was, I'd rather die a warrior, you know. It seemed, yeah, I think that that absolutely came across. And speaking of, you know, the, as you mentioned beforehand, the bad guys from crotid two and crotid kid three facing off.

Well, two bad guys from crotid kid three and a master and apprentice in Mike Barnes got to square off. You and Sean Kainan again. Had you seen Sean at all at all before before? With Ralph and Sean, you know, our paths had him crossed. With Sean, we were at an event at dinner and someone said, oh, the karate. kid crowd is upstairs. Oh, that's right. He told me this.

He told me this. Wait a second. And I hadn't seen them in years and I walked up and we sort of crashed and I walked over. And I saw Marty and Sean, you know, speaking with one another. And I just walked up and say, hey, is this a karate kid at reunion? And they just looked at me. I think because my white hair, they were like, who are you, man? Yo, it's Thomas.

And then I think, but it took that second because, you know, like, expect me to be walking around with the black ponytail. So it's kind of funny. But no, so our paths, like I said, hadn't crossed. And it was great to see him. You know, on set, I didn't really know what he had done, except for the little exchange we have. Yeah.

It was like, oh, it's still that Mike Barnes type, you know, come in, I want to kick your ass thing. Terry's like, come on. You know, but then when I watched it, he was great. He knocked it out of the park with, you know. And again, what they did with his character, how do you bring that guy back and make it interesting? Right.

smart choices with him and you go, I feel for him, you know, I'm involved, I'm emotionally connected. So kudos to the writers for all that. Yeah, that was the one where I had like an expectation that didn't happen.

And I was like, I'm okay with that. I was, and I know that, you know, a lot of the times that it's like, yeah, you got to do something different

with the character, otherwise it's going to be the same thing. But I was like, yeah, but I've seen chosen turn good. I saw Terry Silver turn good for a second. And now he's back to being bad, right?

I saw, it looks like, it looks like Martin Cove and Creeces has turned good. And Johnny's obviously turned good. So are they going to turn Mike Barnes good also? Yeah. It's funny when I heard that too. And I was thinking the same thing.

Exactly. But see, they gave the audience the Mike Barnes they were expecting towards the end. So they simplified the audience, but they didn't give it to them in the way they all expected. Which I was, I did as well because I was telling my audience, you know, when I was always previewing it,

I was like, I hope they don't turn them good. And people were like, oh, what did you think? I was like, I actually, I loved it because he still got to be the bad boy karate by coming in at the end there and ripping off Terry Silver at the end to get his business going back. And I think that we probably haven't seen the last of Mike Barnes. And I ask you, do you think we've seen the last of Terry Silver? I don't know, Christian. You know, here's the thing.

It was such a privilege for me. You know, I've been working as a writer for years to be able to come back and play this camera. It was really full circle, coming from my first film role to being able to do this and show more colors and depth. And it was a great run. I mean, it was a great two seasons and very fulfilling, you know. And what's the future with Terry Silver? I don't know, because it's not like that he just lost the fight and was taken out with a crane kick. So we'll pass that once you can accept that, you know, that he lost respect.

You know, he lost. and that is going to be more damaging to that this character so we'll probably go off to his private island somewhere and have to know it's curious it's curious because crease crease obviously is coming back now for what the way that he made things work now now i don't know if he can do it in the open because he escaped from prison but it's going to be that's so bad jet i love it so much. But I love that, you know, with all the kids, and there's so many stories still to tell for them. Believe me, these guys continually surprised me as writers. So I'm sure the show is going to be fantastic. Well, so, I mean, so there's one thing. I want to talk about the, before I ask you,

I want to hear you working with the new generation, but one of the things that I didn't get a chance to ask you when you were talking about being cast in the original film, and you briefly mentioned working with the late great Pat Marito, what was it like? working with him and um and and and just anything in that you remember with him whether it was him being welcoming any advice that he might have given you when you're on the set you know i came on and you know my thing was like i'm just committing i'm not trying to make friends i'm just doing my job and you know when we square off it's like it's the one show respect though you know and and and he was like just go you go for you just keep going you know and then he would make me laugh during things

And so, like, even the little out lips going, you know, and it's like, I'm just being an asshole, you know, while I was shooting. And, uh, and he comes back and does the same thing to me. Then he adds it. You go, ah, it's so good, you know. Impro. That was all improv that you were doing? All improv. Wow, that's awesome. So stuff like that. And there was so much throughout the whole film. Again, he was just like that, that security play. You know, he was there for Ralph. He's there for me, the newcomer, and just made me. feel part of the family amazing guy i love i love hearing that and then you know the stuff with when you talk about ralph and working with him back then too because like as you're doing that improv and you're bringing out uh certain things like did you find yourself because and i asked i asked sean the same type thing because when you're going into the third movie and like at this point ralph's ralph macho you know and you got you got you got to protect you got to be careful in every little scene that you're doing with him because you got to you got to protect the golden boy you know

it makes sense but did you find yourself like in character really kind of pushing him and trying to get them more pissed off? You know, that was my job. So, you know, they have the weight of the franchise on them. I don't. I'm coming in. I'm just, I got to be this new energy. And I got to somehow make this work.

And I think we locked into that archetypal thing, but to say he's like that snake. When he goes, he's going to go. And so when he takes it out on Ralph, it's like, you really can't hold back. you know, obviously everything's within safety, but, and you have a good director who literally is standing right there. And I would always check in saying, we cool, is this all good, you know, make sure I'm not, you know, and he was like, just keep going for it.

I always say it's like some of those scenes, if that is what Alpson put in the film, imagine what the outtakes were like. I'm sure. Talk about that shit crazy. Well, yeah, and that's why. And so like, you know, years later when you guys are doing it again, I'm sure with you and Ralph, it was so surreal.

It was the first moment walking on set, because I hadn't seen Ralph at all. We hadn't run into each other, just standing there. And you know how you see someone you haven't seen in a while and just get a really good feeling? It's like, oh, yeah, we had a good thing.

We were kids, but, you know, that were back here with families now. He was with, I think he was married at the time. He may have been married. And I was with, you know, my wife now, but I think we were just going out, but the same women and the same. It's like everything was about it.

It was like, you know, this is kind of cool, you know. Well, and now you guys are the are the vets and you guys, it's like when you look at like, again, it was Star Wars where you guys now are the, the Han and Luke's of the franchise. And now you have this younger generation that's coming into it. So again, when you're working with these younger, with the younger actors, who, if it's not for them, I don't think the show is as successful, to be honest, because yes, I have, I have, you have the guys like me who are watching show and want to see the legacy characters and everything too. But you got to get that hook to get the new characters, excuse me, new generation in.

And they do that. So talk to me a little bit about working with the new cast and what that was like. First of all, they're all so talented. And I'm not just saying that. They're really good kids. They're talented. And they work their asses off. You know, when I went in, it's like, who's the martial arts?

It's like, well, someone says it was a dance or whatever. It's like, nobody had a martial arts background. and you see how far they've grown, even in the two seasons I was there, from season four to season five. And the time they put in and what the fight choreographer and stunt guy did with them,

it's phenomenal. And so everybody cared. And they, there was no horse. I mean, we all laugh and have a good time, but when the time comes, you do your job. And I love that. And I remember my first day, it's like, I'm just going to set my tone on Terry Silver,

because the first thing I shot was a, a class teaching my class. Well, I've got experience doing this. And my class, you know, you do what you tell. So I came on. It's less like, we're not doing it the same way. You're going to, I'm going to call you to attention. You're going to bow and we're doing it.

And I just did it. And they're all looking at it and going, is this guy for real? You know, but we have to do it. You know, the director and the guys were just sitting back just enjoying saying, this is Terry's world now. You got to let it go. That's fantastic. And I love hearing that because I was going to ask you that

question. I guess you, I'll ask it anyway, even though you kind of answered it. It's that, so coming in there and being a martial artist yourself and you just, like, are there times when you see a certain kick or something? And you obviously don't want to step in some of the people that they bring in to do this, but it's like, do you ever find yourself going, try it this way? Do that. You know, it's something that, you know, I got really tight with Ken and Donnelly. So, sure, especially if it's something like, and then, you know, it's always edited a certain way and you go, oh, as a martial arts, I may have done that differently or, you know, cut it differently.

But again, that's not my place on the show. But with the fights themselves, it's like the first day, it was a, the first fight I had was like just a teaching thing with Robbie. And, you know, and they have the six-four guy with a white wig, a ponytail and the stunt guy. And they're doing it. The two stunt actors are doing the master. And I'm watching him going, I mean, he's good.

but my kicks are so much fast. I guess move just different. And it may have all been in my head, like this is what I used to do. But as I said to the director, I said, hey, can I have a pass with the other actor stunt person? They said, yeah. And then I just got to let it out, you know? And right then all the stunt guys were like, we get it, man. You know, and then it was a great thing, but not the smartest thing because men on it's like, oh, Thomas does everything.

Thomas can do everything. Of course, yeah, that's great, but 10 hours of it, you know, I'm sitting in that Epson's salt bath after you. Sure, I'm sure, man. Well, you definitely put in all the work for sure. And the last thing I want to ask you before I let you go, obviously is working with, with Billy Zapka because Billy Zafka was the original, he was the original bad guy. He was the first, he was, he was, without Billy Zapka, there's no, there's no, there's no

Karate Kid villains. So, and this is essentially, it's, it's him and Ralph's show, you know, so it's, this was had you ever worked with him because I don't know how it worked with the you know I know a lot of times that there would be like comic cons and things where and I don't know if you ever were involved in any of those type of appearances and things but did you ever get a chance to work with with Billy before this no again our paths had crossed just early on you know I wasn't I didn't do the whole comic on the type stuff but um the show is a success because of you know, he's the show.

You know, that character, I mean, the humor, he brings to it, how he just, you know, you just want to watch him. And he's, in fact, when I first heard about it, like you, it's like, oh, on YouTube, they're doing a series on the Karate Kid films. It's like, oh, yeah, this is going to be a train wreck, you know. So I tuned in, and then my wife and I just binge that first season, it was so good. It was funny. You know, nostalgia, that heart had all those great things.

And I was so proud of Billy and Ralph going, they did it. They pulled it off. Now, I thought it was just the OG thing. And I knew maybe Creece, because he's in the karate kid Juan, would be a part of that world, never thinking they're going to bring Terry Silver into this world. That's interesting you say that, though, because in the first season, they mentioned Silver and Barnes. But even then, I thought, like, how would he fit into this?

Yeah. No. And I, then around season three is when the rumors started and they were like, uh, uh, you know, the guys want to talk to you. And it was like, okay, here it comes, you know. Um, but then I'm so appreciative. And again, Christian's so honored to come into such a well-oiled machine and then be able to, uh, you know, be able to do my thing and that it reaches so many people. And you did that and then some, um, congratulations on the success of the show. Again, it's number one. It's, it's kick an ass. Pun intended. People are really enjoying it. People are really talking about your performance as they should be.

I'm very honored that you took the time to talk to me today. Thank you very much. I've been a fan for very long. Fantastic of what you do. I love your interviews. You're great at it, Christian. Keep up the good work. That's very kind to you, sir.

Thank you so much. Ladies and gentlemen, once again, it is the great Thomas Ian Griffith. He is the man. He is Terry Silver. Do not mess with him. All right. I look forward to seeing you again, my friend. Thank you so much.

You got it, Chris. And God bless. Bye. All right, everybody. So thank you so much for watching Thomas Ian Griffith, man. How cool is that, dude? He's the best. God, I love that guy.

He's so awesome. It's exciting to have him. All right. What a show. Again, supersized Monday. Looks like a lot of these times I have these supersized Monday shows. And they're going to keep coming. So what I need from you guys is please put a like, comment, share.

If you haven't already, please do me a favor and subscribe. Thank you to Carbon Health today for sponsoring this episode. And we got a special treat, man. You got a special treat. Now, I have never had a, on my old shows, whether it was Shmows No or some do, or who had musical guests, hadn't had on big things. So closing out today on the show, Jake Lewis with one of his, this is, I think, I think this is an exclusive where he's never,

I don't think he's ever saying this on a podcast before. Oh, never have. I've only seen this live on stage of flappers. So here it is, and this is, and the song is called Gary. Gary, yeah, just to give you guys a little context. That's a joy mode. Oh, oh, just give you guys a little context. I've been listening to a lot of, like, proclaimers.

Like, I would walk 500 miles, stuff like that, you know. Like, songs about everything a guy would do for a girl, you know, like I would climb mountains and stuff. you know like really manly shit yeah but you know when uh when guys talk to each other about what they would do for things it's like all of really homo erotic stuff they would do each other like would you suck a dick for money you know what i mean that's a conversation me and christian have all the time would you suck a dick for that sandwich he asked me that at lunch earlier uh but uh i i i didn't want to do anything i like honestly this this song like i just wanted to write it for my girlfriend

who's hopefully watching right now. And I just wanted to make it a song about what I do for her. I would swim across the ocean, every river and every sea. I would climb the tallest mountain. In nothing but my bare feet, I would do anything for you to be here with me. I would sleep on a bed of nails. I would jump out of a plane.

I would sleep out in the cold or even in the pouring rain. Just to see my baby once again Hey, hey It's my favorite food I would give up posting on Insta with the hashtag mood I would do almost anything for you And this is my truth I don't mean to be crude

But I'd even make love to a dude Maybe I shouldn't have said that last part But you know what I'm trying to say Please don't think me homophobic You know I have nothing against the gay I'm just trying to illustrate the lengths that I would go for you. Because I would do almost anything to feel your warm and braise and even let the Dallas Mavericks boo-cucky on my face.

I don't mean to be disgusting and I don't mean to be crass, but I would let my best friend Gary fuck me up the ass. I would be his lover boy. I would kiss his supple lips and after some wine. We would suck each other's dance on the aisle, oh God. Teresa, if you're listening out there, I'm sorry. We can meet those friends. But Gary, it's always my youth.

Don't do it. Gary, I love you. I have a question for your health here. Ray, Mary! We'll try my baby Gary. Jake Lewis. He's left to go find Gary. See you next week.