The Kristian Harloff Show - Could Ackles be our Batman in BRAVE AND THE BOLD after all?! UFC vet KEITH JARDINE INTERVIEW!

Episode Date: January 21, 2026

The DCU Batman conversation is heating up 👀 On today's episode of The Kristian Harloff Show, we dive into whether Jensen Ackles could actually be our Dark Knight in The Brave and the Bold after he once again reaffirms his interest in playing Bruce Wayne/Batman. Kristian also sits down for an interview with Keith Jardine, plus we break down a tease for the long-awaited Masters of the Universe trailer, unpack the latest update on the Netflix / Warner Bros. deal shifting to an all-cash structure, and talk about Kevin Feige going all-in on Avengers: Doomsday. Is Ackles the right fit for DC's new Batman? What does this mean for the future of the DCU and the MCU? Let's get into it. Join the conversation, drop your thoughts in the comments, and don't forget to like, subscribe, and share the show! SPONSORS: LEESA: Go to https://www.Leesa.com for 25% off PLUS get an extra $50 off with promo code KRISTIAN, exclusive for my listeners! MARS MEN:   For a limited time, our listeners get 50% off for life plus Free Shipping AND 3 Free Gifts at Men Go To https://www.MenGoToMars.com It's a perfect way to kick off the New Year strong.  After you purchase, they will ask you where you heard about them. PLEASE support our show and tell them our show sent you. PRIZEPICKS: Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/KRISTIAN and use code KRISTIAN and get $50 in lineups when you play your first $5 lineup!

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You get a little minor teaser. What's that going to look like? Jensen Eccles still wants to play Batman. He's going to get close? Do we think he could be Batman and Brave and the Bold? Then I saw something else that there seems like another potential TV series that was going to happen for Star Wars isn't going to happen. Does that make sense with the recent news?

And lastly, it was certainly not least. I had a chance to speak with UFC vet Keith Jardine, the dean of mean. Not only we talk about the stuff that he went through in his career, but he also talked about what he's doing now. Acting, directing, writing, really inspiring for people who want to do this thing, especially as I'm kind of gearing up towards doing my pilot. It was a pretty interesting chat, so I think you're going to enjoy that. So that's what we're doing here today on the show.

It's myself and myself. So let's get into it. And I have a very important question. Did you shit in there? Welcome back to the show, ladies and gentlemen, Krishna, I'll have here today on this show all by myself, by my lonesome on this Wednesday. And if you missed yesterday's show,

boy, did you miss a good one on the Clips Channel. We put it out there as that clip, Mike in the middle of his, I don't know, one of our things we were talking about, his dog pooped in his bed and it gave just the best comedic moments ever and I'm happy to say that the clip is doing well on the clips channel so that uh that made me happy to hear randomly Sam if you watch the channel for everything besides just the live shows you know who Sam is and she texted me and she said that clip with Michael's Lairas I said how did you see that she was like the algorithm popped it up in my uh in my feed and I saw it clicked on it and she said I was laughing hysterically so um really really really good and it gave us this gem i think that i'm good if if somebody has a really bad take i'm gonna do this did you shit in there that's that's to me perfect i mean perfect it's the best it's the best clip if you missed yesterday you really should see it all you got to do is if you go it might i think it's like mike's dog shit the bed or something is what the clip is called and it was like uh you know

um limited monetization and i couldn't care less it's just it's worth putting up there everybody to see. So I really hope we got an opportunity to win this week, or at least get close to winning this week with a good Q&A with you guys. But traditionally Wednesdays are usually slower. People come in. The real Gs come in to hang out on Wednesdays is the way that I like to put it. So all the real fans are here today. That's the way I say. You don't come in on Wednesdays. you're like a as the WWE people say you're like a part timer you come in on Wednesdays

you're legit you got cred anyway so there was some stuff some news that we'll talk about I think actually the first thing that I do want to talk about I know that we're kind of headlined with the Brave and the Bold News

which is interesting but I would like to talk about this because I Star Wars is it's in the news right now right, the change of leadership, where's they're going to go, what's going to happen, what's the direction going to be? So might as well discuss. So Rick Femoea's Star Wars TV show apparently is in limbo. Lucas films Mandoverse shows like The Mandalorian and Asoka have a number of regular directors at this point.

One of the biggest co-go-to helmers outside of John Favro is Rick Femoea, who has helmed six episodes of the Mandalorian and the first season finale of Asoka. He scored a lot of acclaim in his work on those episodes, and it turns out he was lining up another Star Wars TV show, which sadly fell apart. The rap reports that Femma Wea has been quietly working on his own mystery Star Wars series for the Disney Plus service, one that has sadly become stuck in limbo. With Kathleen Kennedy's exit from Lucasfilm, various projects in development at the company

now seem to have stalled. At last report, Favro still reportedly wants to do a fourth season of the Mandalorian set after the film. Follone's Mandoverse team up film is on the back burner for now, and there aren't any plans for more the Acolyte or Skeleton Crew. Outside of Star Wars, Lucasoma, seemingly abandoned plans for both a young Abner Ravenwood series set in the Janiceverse, along with the series of animated chores from Rodrigo Blas set between films. Okay, so I think what he has done overall for, what does it do that mean? Why does it, what does it do that?

Why? And no chance, no time that I, um, change that. So stupid. I didn't change that. Me. Who needs that? I don't need that. Ridiculous.

So I think that, um, this, as much as I really liked what he did and what he brought to. Certain things, what did I tell you? Certain things that happen in Star Wars, what Rick has done, I think, has been a very welcome addition. There's a lot of stuff that he did that wasn't a fan of. A lot of stuff he did, man, a luring that I was a fan of. So to see him get a show made sense. He knows the Star Wars world. It made sense. To see that the show is not happening also makes sense. And it's not just because, although a very big reason would be that

Pevelin Kennedy is leaving different plans. But also, I think Iger wants to get away from the TV shows. I think that it would make sense. And I think Favre will probably get a, we get a fourth season to close up, especially if Mandalorian and Grogu delivers. And again, what it needs to deliver on, as we've been hearing with budgets and everything too, the movie costs, what, $130 million to make, whatever it was, $140 million to make. So it needs to make just around, what, is it 150, another 100 or whatever for,

So it means to make a $350, $400 million to break even, right? I believe it'll break even, and I believe it'll make a little money. It's not going to make a billion dollars. It's certainly not going to make $2 million. It's not going to make that kind of money. But if it delivers in that $450,500 million, it would justify, okay, we'll let you close out the Mandalorian, and that's done, let's be done with it. And I think the strategies will change.

And I think they jump me back into what we said about Kathleen Kennedy was there. And that's right. Yeah. And Rick is a, he's a third EP on Mando as well. So he's still involved very much in that show and probably have a lot more to do. And that might be the overall strategy. He's like, look, we're going to stop putting out kind of new things right now because the newer things aren't really working.

And we're going to put together a plan first. And maybe there'll be new things down in the future and we can expand on that. But for right now, let's just kind of. go with our plan, which our plan is, let's put out Mandolinic Grogo. We'll do another season. That's our next season of television, right? Because the Landau thing was a TV show at one point. Then it was a movie.

Nobody really knows what it is. There's no movement on the shows or anything else right now. The movies, as they said, even Faloni's movie is on the back burner right now because they don't really know what's going to happen with the Socas season two. I'm sure Lucasfilm was happy with Soka's season two, but the ratings were not great. They were fine. and they didn't have the kind of buzz, say like an and or did, critically in that type of stuff. So if season two is an improvement on that and what the reports are that they're not shooting that one at the volume,

they're shooting at real locations, that should change at least the feel and the tone of it, I hope. But if that delivers, if that delivers and we're able to move forward of saying, okay, Mandalorian season four is done. Asoka, season two, delivered, and it's popular, and people are talking about it, and Mandolin and Grogu got people excited again about that universe, then you probably start to hear the chatter get a little louder when it comes to that Filoni movie, if it indeed does.

But if the interest is like, no one really cares about this anymore, then it will probably just fall onto the back burner, and the plan will shift. And that will also test the leadership of the two. new leaders and say, okay, that didn't work. The plan didn't work in the way that we were hoping for with a soak and everything too, but that was kind of still part of the old stuff we were doing. What do we do now? How do we move forward now? So greenlighting things and going forward with things that were just on the back burner, you got to scrap it all. And I think that that is a good, that that is a good sign in general, whether it is an eager move, a pheloney move, who knows,

whatever it was. It's like, let's just wait, take it simple, because we're going to get aggressive pretty soon. They will get aggressive pretty soon. You'll start to see more, more announcements, more and simply the first big project that's going to happen after Starfighter, which I think they're going to go full force into the Simon Kinberg trilogy. You're going to get more information about it. The question will be, is Kinberg producing it? Is Kinberg doing the story? Is Kinberg writing the script? That would scare me. Him writing the story would be interesting, him developing, is people don't realize that him and Faloni created rebels together, that story and everything, too. He's very good at Star Wars stories in the same way that Faluny's very good at Star Wars stories.

Let's get some real writers in there. And that's not fair to say to Kimberg. He's a real writer. You know what I mean? Let's get some writers who have a better track record. That's that I like to rephrase the way I said that because he's the same Kimberg is a real writer. But let's get somebody with a better track record to write the scripts, all three of them. And then let's get three different directors who are following, or you could get the same director,

but if you're going to get three different directors, follow the guideline of what's coming out. Don't start, make your own style to it, but follow the guideline. We have A, B, that's it. That's it. That's it. We're just going to follow this road, and we're going to get there. And we need you to do it. We need your skills to get us there. Don't start making things up. Well, what's the first movie? Oh, did really well. What are we going to do for the second one? Get that guy. What's he going to do? whatever he wants. What about that one? Well, so-and-so write it. And they're going to write it?

They're going to write it a lot? Oh, yeah, yeah. They got a good script. And they followed the other guys. Great. The other guy wants to come back from the first one. Oh, yeah? Yeah, and he doesn't want to do anything. He just wants to do his own thing. He didn't like with the last guy. They're not going to combine it at all. Great. He's back. Cool. He made $2 billion. Let's do it. Can't do that anymore. Have to have the narrative from start to finish and put together an overall plan. And that's what Flonny does bring to the table. For as hard as I am on Filoni,

What Flonny does do, he under, there's, I'm not going to and never would debate with anyone that says Dave Faloni doesn't understand the essence and core of Star Wars and what a Star Wars and what a Star Wars story is. Storytelling. Great storyteller. And if he can say, well, you know, we really want to focus on how we're going to play into this time period, this narrative, we're going to do a couple of films there. And then maybe we'll jump back.

And maybe that's why the mangled thing isn't happening. Maybe it's like, look, we're not going there yet. we're going to really because it's too much especially for someone who doesn't have any experience in the producing realm of things or running a company to say I can't start taking meetings with people and you're throwing into that timeline and you're doing that timeline. I'm focusing here. We've got three big movies that we're going to do with Kinberg. And we're going to tease them a little bit in this Starfighter one to set up where we're going. And that to me gives me some confidence.

Then I know I can rely on my buddy John Favreau to finish up another TV show here with that. If Asoka goes really well, then I can focus in on my movie. We can do a finale there. And then they have a slate for a little bit. They've got a slate for a new trilogy if they wanted one with Kenberg. If that rolls well, they got three movies and that will come out every what, one or two years, depending on how they do it. They've got one, maybe two TV shows.

And then it's slow, simple, steady. That's a good plan and gets your feet kind of set before you go. You can't, what you can't do if you're Lewin and Falonius, you cannot say, let's go big, two, three movies a year. Dumb. Just because you can't, you can't handle that yet. Kathleen Kennedy, with her experience, couldn't handle that because you didn't have, you didn't have the whole on it yet, so don't do that.

So that's my thoughts on that show being canceled or being put. back. So we'll see. Four big questions so far, hopefully to get, we'll see what we can get by the end of the show. Make sure you put them out there. Let's talk about this story with

with Jensen Eccles. Because a lot of people have been talking about Brave and the Bull. There's a new report that just came out against Snyder. Talked about the writer that is coming out. Then they're still saying that Andy Mushietti is directing. I was pretty convinced and I was still, I'm still convinced that I don't think he's going to do the series, but I think he might have bought himself a little time or goodwill with what he did with welcome to Derek.

I think we're talking about this the other day. This town is such a, well, not this town, I live in, but the town of Hollywood or whatever, is such a what have you done for me lately type of town. It just is. It's like, okay, you got a big hit, then you're in. We love you. great you got everything you're going to do we got you big movies here you go and then during that time you had a movie that hits you stink no one likes you get out of here you're the worst and it kind

happened with muscietti right so muscietti had it chapter one chapter two this guy's great sign him up here we go do a movie here's take the flash run with it and he did pun intended um and it didn't do good with fans it didn't go to anybody else too i'm one of the few people like I said, there's a lot about that movie I like. There's a lot that I don't like. I really like Andy Muscietti. I have a strong issue with the way that A, he handles CGI sometimes, and B, the way he defends it. That's my biggest issue there. But welcome to Derry was incredible. It's a great show. It's a great show. One of my favorite shows so far, or I guess of last year, right, it was one of my favorite shows. I never did a list of it. But it would have been up there.

probably would my top three. Great show. Between Task, that one, Severance, the other one, and or some great stuff last year. And Welcome to Derry would easily be in there. But I could also see him, I don't want to do this DC youth. I don't know. But I could see why he's probably got goodwill now because Warner Brothers produced, welcome to Derry, happy with it.

They're doing more seasons. but that's another reason maybe that he's not going to be involved in Batman because Welcome to Dairy is going to probably go into production, pre-production at least pretty soon, and they want to get those shows out sooner than later, and it takes a lot of shoot those things. He directed a handful of the first one, the first season, that were great. So I feel like he's still not going to do it.

but not because of like he's not the right guy for the job. I think that, well, I guess in a certain aspect, not that he's not capable, just like maybe this isn't, this is, you want to do this? You're so good at that other thing. Do that. And I think that's ultimately what he's going to do.

But that's not our story here today. The story is now that the brave and the bold, Jansen Eagles reaffirms, he's interested in playing the DC use Bruce Wayne slash Batman. Well, of course he's interested. Why wouldn't he be interested? Boy star Jensen Echols has once again said he'd like to take a shot playing the DCU's Batman while Misha Collins has shared his thoughts on Sebastian Stan being the Batman 2's face.

Two-face, excuse me. Winter Brothers originally planned to end the Flash with Michael Keaton's Batman in the DC-EU. He'd have gone on to appear in Batgirl and Batman Beyond, eventually meeting Bad Africa's in crisis on Infinite Earths. DC Studios scrapped those plans and will hopefully interest. introduced the DC-Us Batman in Andy Mooshieti's The Brave and the Bold. That movie was expected to feature Bruce Wayne's training, his son, Damien as Robin, adapting elements from Grant Morrison and Frank Quietly's critically acclaimed Batman Robin.

However, James Gunn has since hinted that the movie will head in a different direction. And with Matt Reeves, the Batman Part 2 currently a priority, the Brave and the Bold appears to be going nowhere fast. For many fans, the boy star, Jensen Eccles remains a firm favorite to play the DCUs, Cape Crusader. He's also no stranger to the role, having lent his voice to the hero in multiple DC animated projects, including Tomorrowverse, movies like Batman, The Long Halloween, Legion of Superheroes, Justice League, War World, and Justice League Crisis on Infinite Earths. Ackles, once a fan favorite choice for the role of Captain America, has repeatedly expressed an interest in playing the Dark Night. Appearing at the road so far, the road ahead conventioned in Las Vegas this weekend, he said yes. Oh, no, he said there are probably a few dream roles.

Yes, somebody up here yelled Batman. And yes, that is certainly a dream role. I mean, I've got a few ghosts. Batman, Wider, Robin Hood, that kind of stuff. Ackles added, making his enthusiasm clear. Whether Gunn is paying attention is another matter, though fans are growing increasingly impatient with the lack of casting updates. Misha Collins was also on hand on the panel

and shared his take on Sebastian Stan playing Two-Face in the Batman sequel. Supernatural alum previously brought Harvey Dental Life in the CDW's Short-Live Gotham Night's TV series. Playing Two-Face was a dream. dream role. Sebastian Sam just got cast his two-faced in the next movie, which I did not feel jealous about. I was like, er. And if I were to meet, if he were going to meet with an accident, they needed to find, I'd certainly forget my schedule and make myself available. You know, it's so funny. I'm convinced. I don't, I have no, I have absolutely no confirmation on this, unless I get an interview with Misha Collins at some point. But there's a comedy set that I have on

this channel, I guess, 2007. And there was a guy sitting. in the front row that I address in the set. You can see the set. You can see it on the channel. But I asked the guy what his name is and he says, Misha. And he's with his significant other. And I look at the picture here and I'm like, I think that I can't remember. I think that's the guy.

I was talking to Misha Collins. I talked to Misha for like a minute and a half, two minutes out of the set. And I said, what's your name? Misha. I said, Misha. This is a very, you know, rare name. Not that nobody else is named Misha, but I just feel like where I was in California at that time, what was happening. I feel like it was Misha Collins.

I'm going to find that out. It's one of the things I'm going to find out eventually. I'm going to find out. I'm going to show him that clip. I'm going to go, was that you? And he's going to say, no, you idiot. There's like 7,000 Misha's in Hollywood. It wasn't me.

Moron. So anyway, yeah, Misha Barton, right. But it was a guy. That's what I'm saying. A lot of times Misha is, is. Not that it's not both. It's typically you think of Misha Barton. So Misha Collins, when he was sitting,

I'm telling you, I think it was Misha Collins. If anybody ever interviews Misha Collins, show him that clip and ask him and find out for me. Or somebody just send it to him. Send him that clip. I will give somebody a reward if they get an answer to it. If they get an answer to that question, whether it's no or yes,

I'll find a way to get a good reward to somebody. I don't know what it is, but I'll do it. Did you say hi, nice to Misha? You know me very well. You know that the stupid things that make me laugh, that that was going to be one of them. Did you shit in there?

So, anyway, I think that when it comes to this whole Brave and the Bowl thing, as they said, I think the mistake was, don't announce things. until you're ready to let them go. Well, we're going to do a Batman movie, and it's going to be Brave in the Bold, and Damien Wayne's going to be in it. You don't know that yet.

You don't even have a script. Don't do that. That's what Star Wars did for so long. Don't do it. Until you have that script, and you're like, I know that that's what you want to do. And I know,

oh, it'll be so great to do a Brave and the Bull movie and get Damien Wayne and every. Don't announce it. Coming from someone who announced a shit way too early, don't do it. it doesn't go anywhere and it just causes disappointment um and now it looks like that's not going to happen that movie in general i don't think brave in the bold that movie itself there's clearly going to be a dc u batman there has to be if dcc continues on but ain't going to be brave and the bold ain't

going to be mushietti um at least i don't think so from the way that is moving because the answer i think james gunn was right you don't release two batman movies in the same year from different If one's a DCU and ones in else worlds, you just don't do it. You just don't do it. I don't think it makes sense. I think it's an error. What do you guys make of it? What do you think?

Yes? No. Put your thoughts in there. Let me know. I mentioned last week when I was talking with Steph. So I became a huge fan of the UFC back in like, well, you know, obviously 93. I watched when it was all going down. But in 2005, it had the Ultimate Fighter and really hit the scene.

That was a big boxing guy for a long time. And then when I was at the comedy store, I remember, and I've told this story where Rogan used to talk to us all the time about how it was going to blow up. It was going to be the next thing. I remember watching the Ultimate Fighter and really learning all these cast of characters and getting invested in it because they were doing it. And one of the guys during that era that I watched was a guy named Keith Jardine. And so I had the pleasure of actually meeting Keith when, because you guys know, I produced Matt Sarah show.

And he came in. And he was like, I was like, yeah, because if you watch UFC and you especially watch during that era, Keith left it all in the fucking cage, man. And he really did. And he's done the same thing with his career now as a writer, director, actor. And he was talking on Matt's show about his movie, Kill Me Again. And now it was premiering in New York when he was on Matt show. But now it's out. People can see it.

And I'm lucky to be talking to Keith Jardine. What's up, Keith? How you doing brother? Hey, man, I'm doing really good. Yeah, it's good to have you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, thank you. So yeah, let's talk about the movie first. Let's talk about- Can we again? Yeah, let's do it, man.

So for the audience that didn't, because a lot of my audience, if they're watching Matt's show, they might know about it. They didn't see Matt's show. You're hearing it for the first time. So tell them, what's, what's coming again about? Man, it's real simple. It's, um, kill me against Groundhog's Day, you know, a time loop, guy living the day same day over and over and over again but it's a time loop from the

perspective of a serial killer that's crazy so where do you where do you go so when you're thinking of that because obviously you're a big movie guy and like I do something where it's like okay it's it's like you said Groundhog Day and the mind of a serial killer but like I'll do even I'm working on nothing right now and I'm like it's like uh hacks meets the bear right so with you you're like okay this movie you see you take a lot of inspiration where's your first where's the inception for the movie I'm trying to, I have other movies that have legs, but I'm not going to direct them, I'm not going to produce them, so I need to do a movie now so I can do my other movies. Okay.

And so now I do something contained, so I need to find a location. How do I get staying a local location? We just repeat the same day over and over and over again. And from then I just, you know, I put a guy in a situation, I put him in a diner and I develop the character and I just, he kind of tells me what's going to happen. I write linear that way for the most part. Isn't that fun how that happens too, like when you're writing and it's just like, you feel it's like this surreal experience. Like they're existing in your head and you're like, oh, I can put that. Now everybody else gets to see it. Yeah. And when things are tying together, it's like, oh, shit.

That's it. You can't write fast enough because you want to get to this in the end and all that. That's the best feeling. That's a high man. That's the highest of hype, man. I write every day no matter what since I started doing this, man. No matter what I put my two hours in this morning. the matter what a lot of time is just garbage you know it's it's because well it's is it

similar to you for like when you were when you were fighting right to where you're consistently working out and you need to stay fresh you need to stay active because it keeps it keeps you in the game yeah it started that way with acting you know um when I started taking acting seriously I'm trying to make a living as an actor and I realize that these guys you know they went to um college and theater and all this stuff for acting and some are child actors whatever and I'm just like okay here I am I'm an actor putting in your movie you know but I'm I'm working like I get an audition that's work I maybe I'll work on scene study once a week maybe then I start

thing man I need to be putting my hours in just like fighting every day on this thing yeah and I started doing that once I started doing that I started to get better roles and stuff like that and that now I was turned to I started grinding metal at that like I wasn't really improving at that and then so I started writing and that turned into writing and writing maybe a better actor than any of the acting practice oh I'm sure because you're exploring the mental awareness of the characters and really going into the psyche of it so it it does it gives you that research right and every time you're right every time you sit

down writing you're acting right right yeah talking to yourself you're talking whatever even you're ad living you're acting with various characters too yeah yeah yeah yeah for sure so you know I remember when so I used to work at Clyder I don't know how familiar are with clitor but i worked there for a while and um i remember i was supposed to interview the rock for like it was drew a jimangi movie but i wasn't able to make it so i i my friend john roka had gone in my stead and i said i want the one question i'd like you to ask them to is the um because wrestlers very similar to the fighters like they had this discipline that and they're always traveling and they're moving around that it's like you have this discipline that

if you're if you're good at it you have this discipline and ask the rock if he adds that discipline to his acting schedule and is that what allows him to be able to work as much as he does and write as much you know like so same question to you do you find yourself in the way that you would train for like a fight we need a big fight do you take that same level of okay discipline and add that to your craft now? 100% like just like this death is like having

every day I can do whatever I want and I don't have any schedule or rigid thing like for a person like me that that's death you know like I can't sit in front of the TV in the middle of the day I watch TV I can't I need structure and fighting saved my life

getting that structure and the now the movie business did and I had to put that time it has to be rigid or else I get a little crazy with it honestly I'm sure I mean so well you answered just a lot with just that because a lot that you just said I want to go back to let's start with what you said with fighting saved your life right like how so yeah um you just um I got to point in my life um I was coaching football and and um I was done playing football and I was coaching football at pretty good level I was a D2 college as the coordinator um but I was still I won't say jealous but like I was done playing football and I was coaching football at a pretty good level I was a D2 college as the coordinator um but I was still I wouldn't say jealous but like I still like, man, I still feel like I'm an athlete and all that. And then I'm not a violent guy at all. How old were you at the time, if I can ask? Late 20s.

Okay. Like, 27. Okay. I'm not a violent guy at all. Like, I don't, people that know me, I'm not a violent guy. But all of a sudden, I'm in the bar at night. And somebody looks at me the wrong way. And I'm starting to get, I'm starting to turn into a little bit of bully.

Okay. There's just some anger in you? Yeah. You got that fire inside of you, right? Yeah. And I used to get it out with wrestling in high school. I got it out with football. And that's what.

And that's what these martial arts is great for kids, men especially, that have high testosterone or whatever. Like you got to find a way to get that out and bump against, bump up, bump up against other similar people. And I wasn't there and I wasn't getting it out. And then one night I got in and almost gotten a bite. And it was totally my fault. And it didn't happen. But then this isn't it, man. So I went and I started playing, I played a rugby game the next day, never played rugby before.

And I started going on grappling tournaments, wrestling tournaments. Like I went to like Olympic Training Center. Like I would go to like a wrestling tournament. And like I show up unattached for like the Olympic trials. Sure. Wow. Wow. Or like these these world class tournaments in Colorado Springs at the Olympic Training Center.

And all the other coaches, what the hell are you doing? Yeah. You see, well, that's ballsy as shit. So and that's like you looking for something that you just like you just mentioned before where you just couldn't sit in it. You can't sit in the couch. Yeah. You need activity. And that was you trying.

to find what the fuck am I supposed to be doing right that's it and now of strangely something not way more competitive than anything I ever did is this movie business yeah way more competitive everybody has a script in their back pocket everybody's trying to get something made everybody's trying to do something and and everybody's trying to find a reason why you can't do it yeah so but now now I get I get fulfilled in that I miss I want to I miss boxing I miss grappling so much well that's what's so going to that so you go so you find this route that you're going on now and like you said you didn't want to be the guy fighting in bars and shit and you knew that there was something better out there for you so you go in these tournaments and At what point does that change into all right? Because this is probably around the what the 2004-005 area like that for the USC?

Yeah, that's what then that's that's when you jump into it. I got in the OSC 2005 I moved to I I We got a new coach and my path was I'm not gonna be coaching here anymore So now my life is like wow what are we gonna do now? I got all these student loan debt and all that. And so I come to Albuquerque. And before that, I started training, when I was doing the wrestling, I told you,

there was like a grappling group there. They were doing jihitsu and always watch the USC. I love JGNC. And hey, I got this wrestling tournament. You guys is at the rec center. I would go into workout. And I see people on the mat grappling. They got to grapple with you guys.

And I started to get better with them real quick. And the guy that that guy learned from was Greg Jackson and Albuquerque. And so I moved to Albuquerque. It's good camp to get into. Well, back then it was nothing, though, really. Back then it was just they did some valetudo fights. They had some guys there, and Greg was just whatever. Like they were doing grappling tournaments and barely any fights.

And so I moved up there. I met Greg twice. I moved up to live with Greg. Not live with Greg, to train with Greg. But my path was, I'm either going to join the military and maybe try to do some sort of special forces thing. I can see that, though. I can see that.

But then I was like, okay, I'm going to give this. this fighting thing try for a year yeah and then that year became two years worked that pretty good you know yeah so like as i was mentioned in the intro you know so that's like right around that boom was when um you were on season two yeah season two yeah yeah so i i i'm because that boom i was i was i was you know the story with with sarah and i so basically um when i was watching ufc at that but i was i was i had been working for jill silver production company of warren brothers for a bit but i i stopped to do my own shit like do a pilot and everything to stuff you can obviously relate to and and and and but I was stand up comedy and everything too but I was like making money by betting on the UFC and at that

point it was a lot easier to do because the boxing they would still know how to do the odds so like the boxing odds it's like okay if so-and-so is a favor majority of time the favor is going to win but in UFC I was like wait after watching the show I'm like it ain't that easy I'm like I'm like somebody can grab your leg and I don't care how good you are striking someone grabs your leg that's it so the opposite was it was Sarah when I was watching I was like this guy's hungry dude and he was a massive underdog and so I I bet on him and I won big and I talked about him on Collider Live years later and on UFC unfiltered he watched Collider Live because he's a big movie guy you know and so we linked up at that time dude at that era there were just so many like really so much raw talent and then you get the

forest Griffin the late Stefan Bonner with that fight that just kind of took it to the next level so you're coming in a season two after the shit's really starting to pick up did you think though you know like this was gonna get to the level that it's at now with the UFC not when I first started yeah when I first started I just wanted to go I thought it would be like you know they call it dojo stomping or whatever where you just I thought we just go to another dojo and like fight other people they're trained to fight yeah right the the UFC was in our thought about fighting in Japan that seemed really awesome to me we pride yeah yeah yeah and there's pancreas or

thing yeah yeah yeah yeah so um but Diego did the first season and Diego became a superstar right yeah overnight and um it's like absolutely i'll go on season two and do that thing and that was like prison for me i did not want to do that like i'm not oh because of the way that contained like reality TV shows aspect oh god your phones can't do shit right six weeks with a bunch of men and it's like you're gonna fight them and i'm not a very social guy anyways right it was tough man it was really tough for me i'm sure it was but i mean but that's it also but does that again bring out that fire like because you can you know maybe it starts a little bit of like you know like you say it's just you're you're you're essentially imprisoning it's every man for

yourself i'll tell you something i learned about myself um um um if you look at my fighting career And in a place where the movie stuff now too, big time. All my fights, when it's like Chuck Liddell, Rampage, Forest, all those guys. I didn't add to be rampage, it was a hell of a fight. Whenever they say, oh, he can't do it, it's not going to happen. I was shine in those moments. But whenever it was like some bum, quote unquote, like, Keith should have no problem. I had a lot of problem with those kind of fights.

So it was when you told me I can't do it. That's when I shine. Yeah, I mean, that's, Matt, Matt says that a lot too, right? Because I think that kind of the definition of ultimately what a fighter is. Is it's like, the more you doubt me, the more I want to prove to myself more so than just you. I want to prove that I can do this and I know that I can do this. That's the beauty of that area where Matt comes from for the pre-reality guys, people are fighting before the reality show. Like you're not starting to train because you want to be a superstar.

You're starting to train because you're trying to find that fire in yourself. if you're trying to find something you're trying to and what better way to prove that you are somebody that than like you're this great fighter you know we all have something to prove yeah and the beautiful thing about in ma and fighting like what you kind of alluded to earlier is um even today um having that fire and that hunger trumps technique every time and um almost every time and um this is the only sport where that's really true like in boxing the best boxer is going to win right um and and whatever sport in football the best quarterback's going to be the best quarterback but that that that cliche about the desire to win the wanting up more and having that drive and everything i don't know why but mma that that

really plays true and you see it happen in people's career look at uh connor yeah when connor mcgregor came up like like i was hating everybody was hating on him but he was like i'm going to show the world i'm going to prove all you guys that i'm the best ever was and all that he believed it and until he was the best ever was and now he had hold up to that and now he's a movie star whatever now he's a star in whatever realm and now he's just now he's not fighting with that hunger anymore and it changes yeah yeah that's what could be even all those guys from from dagaston and all that they have that hunger they know what the other side looks like and it can and it also comes with with youth too right so as you get older and young and yeah right 100

because then it's also there's more to it where i mean i was just talking about this the other day with it was simple stuff my friends where it was like there's there's just going so stand-up comedy which matt sara and i talk about this a lot too where because he's he did it once before and he's like you know i felt that same rush that i did when i when i would fight when i get in the cage and i was like yeah it is similar to that because it's you're out there by yourself really for the most part and um one of things i was talking about my buddy is that when we were younger we'd go out to the comedy store we'd stay there until two or three in the morning hanging out and i'm like now it's like you do you sit you go home and like because

you just because you get you get older and plus it's a young man's sport that is too um so the one thing that I admire about both you and Matt and other people too because it's not easier for whether it's boxers, MMA fighters, it's getting out in time, right? And getting out in the fact that like, you know, you want to make sure you, you keep all your your wits about you keep you you, you can do what you're doing now, you can go and you can act, you can do this. So at what point, it's not easy to walk away? At what point did you know you're like, okay, I got it, it's time to do something

else well first of all I was blessed to fight when I was fighting because in a way blessed because I would never would have left the UFC if I was fighting in today's UFC why is that because when I was fighting they didn't have that many fighters okay and you're either on your way up you're a gatehold keeper or you're on your way out and when you're the gatekeeper you're on your way out basically and once you put a few losses together you're out yeah and my last fight was Matt Hamill and was fight of the night was a great fight I lost because of some stupid eye poke that wasn't really shouldn't have been points deducted right right but

anyways I'll have to get so I was I'm out oh wow fight of the night and I had a string of really good fights but there were losses but I had a couple of Quentin Jackson was fight of the night one of the fights of the year wow and so I'm out and then then I get back in and do strike four stuff I had a stupid idea to go down to 85 just because like I fought everybody so why not go down to 85 and and I got old real quick losing that weight man like it was one of the hardest things I've ever done and and I fought uh gracie who was um Ryan Gracie I think um who was a really great fighter but someone really tailored made for me to fight in in my quote unquote prime um and uh lost

that fight and it's like the writing was on the wall right you know yeah yeah and I just kind of I didn't retire. I just kind of stopped and tried to pursue acting. And honestly, that was the most depressed few years in my life. Well, I was going to say, I don't want to jump over that because that's, I think that's for a lot of people when they're doing one thing that they think that that that's all that they are or all that they're doing. And then they try to, what else can I do?

So let's start with the, actually. Well, I'll tell you more about that. And I'm a failure because I've trained all over the world. I go to Montreal. I train with George and all those guys. I trained in Colorado, which was the epicenter of a lot of that big guys back then with Shane Carlin and all that. And I knew how good I was. Yeah.

I knew I could be world champion. I'd beaten world champions. They just didn't have the belt. Right, right. Yeah, yeah. But so, like, I felt like my career is a failure at that point, too, you know, because I've always believed that I was going to do that. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, I mean, and well, I can tell you, first, foremost, I'm sure you definitely were in a failure. I remember a lot of times watching. But my, my, I said it, in the intro, my buddy Adam and I were roommates, We were like, we knew when you were going out to fight, it was going to be a fucking brawl, dude. And I know Matt asked you about it too, because there's the whole that Viking video, which is that dude.

And we were like, oh, it's Jardine. But we knew that any single time you were in there, you left it in the cage, man. And so, like, those were always the most fun fights and fighters to watch. But to jump back on what you just said, let's talk, what's that conversation like, there was a Dana that comes to you and says,

like, hey, look, you know, that fight with Hamill was great but like we got to let you go like who who who has that conversation or is it just like an email how does that work yeah it's a Joe Silva called me okay like five days later and I saw him on my phone you knew it was coming I knew exactly what it was yeah yeah it was pretty rough okay but my mom just died a few days before that I'm sorry man yeah but I never really said this before it was the most beautiful moments my mom was always handicapped Um, um, um, she wasn't very well.

She's never been to my fight and the Matt Hamill fight. Like I made sure she, she went out and all that and Dana took care of her man. He was really great. She put her ring side. He didn't have to. She was right next to the cage. That's awesome. And all that.

And she was so proud after that fight. Like I remember coming out of the ring all bloody and all that and all that. And I'm sorry. I didn't want whatever shit. Oh, no. She's so proud and all that stuff. And then she passed a few days later. And um, for her like I knew that was like,

like it was time to she was it was good time you know and she got to see you fight that and in a in a really good fight that's that's awesome and then i got the call today so that's why it wasn't really okay okay yeah i know okay it was okay and yeah but you shared that moment kind of with your mom so that is that and then i wanted to this fight um stupid like a couple because i need to go fight right away like i got to this fight i did this fight and um against uh prayingly and uh Texas and i lost that fight too i I came out, I did that fight, and I had a, it was a really, it was a split decision, it was a good fight, but I had, just were different back then. My first fight ever fought, like I had a separated shoulder.

I couldn't even do a push-up, but like, I didn't know you could not fight. And that fight, like I got the worst migraine I've ever had that day. I get bad. I can't even hit Mitz, like when they, whenever, like, I go to my knee, like, I can't do this. I can't even warm up. Holy fuck so I mean so and you and you still went and you still go on the main event people put people bought a ticket right so you got to go out and do the thing wow and then I had a really tough couple rounds and then he knocked me down I think at the end of the

second round and completely cleared my head and oh really and it went down to romp the last holy shit I had a had him like him all standing he said he was standing like yeah go down but like like he'll bid it like he was like out against the cage at the end of the round oh shit so he not he knocks he knocked in my brain out of that's fucking all Awesome. All right. So then, so you, to go back to the, what you were saying that, you knew that, okay, I'm not, I'm just, I'm just not, it's not time.

I'm, I did what I had to do. Maybe I didn't get my title shot, everything to you, but I know to step away. Yeah. So you step away, you decide and you think you said you didn't necessarily retire. Just kind of didn't do it anymore. Yeah. But when do you say to yourself similar to when, if we go back to the beginning of conversation where you were, you know, you were playing football, you were doing stuff,

and you needed to go find stuff. How do you find acting? How do you find directing? How do you discover and say, no, that's what I'm going. That's what I'm doing next. I've always dreamed of being an actor. I didn't know what that meant.

When I did the reality show, I remember the Spike TV guys. You had a really good look. Have you thought about acting? And I'm like, absolutely. I don't know what that means, whatever. But then when I fought Chuck Lidale, after I beat him, like three days over,

three days later, I ran into Mark Neville and Brian Taylor at a coffee shop scouting a movie, their movie. And they asked if I'd read him. for a part and absolutely I always wanted to do that and which movie was that is gamer with jerry but yeah yeah so they wrote they wrote me a little part in that and yeah and uh that got my side card and and that was in 2007 so about three late probably 2010 or 11 and somewhere around there is when

i stopped fighting okay so you so you stopped fighting you know you already kind of at this point caught the bug whether it was you already had the interest in doing it then gamer comes along and so when you're on the set of gamer like because a lot of times and it's interesting I know I mean obviously know the answer to this question but it's like when you're on set because sometimes people have this idea of what acting is an idea of what the business is and then they really see it and they see how long it takes for a shot and they go fuck this it seems like that was the opposite for you absolutely yeah yeah yeah i loved every every bit of it i love i loved everything from craft wow this food is amazing right right everything like they give it to you uh um just being a part of it and just being a part of a team

that that's really what it is like I got into stunts then to stunts saved my life because you know I spent all my money going to find LA for auditions and all that and I started getting stunt jobs too and and and god damn think thank you man I could John Wake was a big one one of the first big paydays I got and really started paying the bills that way and gave me some security the first one um the first John week so talk to me about that then how how because that's that series one of my favorite action series of all time so when you're So you're working with Chad at that? Okay.

I was, when I did that Gamer show, Darren Prescott was a stunt coordinator of that. Okay. And he's a big time seconding inner director, about to be a director right now. And again, I think that guy so much, he saved my life because he kept calling me for jobs. And I happened to be in L.A. for an audition. I bombed. And, hey, are you in L.A. right now by any chance? Yeah.

Yeah, he gave me the address to 87 leveling, where the guys that did John Wake. Yeah. Hey, go over there and go talk to these guys. And they did a little tryout. And then they gave me a part to be a little stunt acting. That's cool. And so how much, how much time did you spend on the set for that one?

A lot of the mood. Do you see the majority of it made? I did a lot of the club stuff. Okay. All the club stuff. I was here for a week in Times Square. We shot the club scene. I got to see that.

That's great. So would you, I mean, like, people talk, because especially for that first movie, I still get good residuals on that. I'm sure you do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, man. I mean, that movie delivered because that movie wasn't really, Canada Reeves has this thing about him where it's like you look at where he comes. I just watch this whole thing, by the way. It's floating around on Instagram now. It'll probably pop up in your reels. But like they showed like the auditions for Bill and Ted. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And like they show like he, he, it was Alex Winter who was reading for Ted. And then it was like, Pauly Shore was up for. and almost got Ted at one point and like all the and he didn't show up in this video until like towards the end but once he does he's on screen with Alex winner and it just like clicks and you just

see it and you watch it but then he hits with that he was in parenthood but then can't or he was in bill and Ted is what you think of as that moment and point break and speed all these different movies that are popping up but it's like and then he's kind of out of you know he's floating around for a bit and then the matrix pops and you're like holy Holy shit. This guy's just, he just won't stop being a big, huge movie store. And then The Matrix goes away, you're never really going to top that. And here comes this little movie in John Wick.

And it's small, but it goes back to kind of old school action movies, but yet with this crazy, like, there was a gunfoo that is. And it was, just because I just did a rewatch on the channel recently. And it's, it's so solid. But when you're watching it, like, people talk about how committed that dude is. like so yeah fucking amen and i would just watch him in all really like i'm sitting in the in the cast chairs too and watch him like he's so beat up from from the the motorcycle racing and all that the crashes and all that is back and all that stuff like he's he's a stiff dude yeah but not when he not when he's doing action right and he trained hard for this um and i'd watch him like

go do his thing and just well do like even watch this i did it is this gonna be a good movie like what does this guy superman like i didn't understand like and then when i saw like oh i get it you know what i mean yeah yeah but then watching just and just it's like a fight like he just does a did a fight and he's dragging himself back to to to the chair and just sits there like oh and just and then everything in this damn get off the chair to go do another one yeah like wow dude this guy's tough and that was 2014 and he's still and probably when they shot at 2013 so he's and he's still doing it now yeah like dude i could i could i could i get tired parallel park he's just got that thing that some actors do man where

he's like you just want to root for the guy he's on screen he want to root for him man he's got that thing he does he's he's super likable um but you know going back to that so you when you when you were watching that movie from this from you know being on set i guess you just kind of answered but you did you think by the end of it you're like oh that was a cool movie that i got to do but did you think it was going to be what it was no way i like the paycheck and yeah and i like these kind of movies and all that but like when i see him crashing down to to the uh falling from the two stories and crashing on the ground and getting out continuing to fight like i don't understand and it read that way too but but then

these guys see what 87 11 is the is the chess chad and and they're amazing director and everybody wants these guys and they're really hot in hollywood right now but when back then and keano gave gave him the start he gave him the script um they were just they were these the um fight coordinators in hollywood like any big action movie um samurai movie war movie whatever there's a certain kind of fighting style that happens throughout that whole movie and they would train there for two months whether gunwork jihitsu grappling kickboxing and they would design the fight with all the actors yeah and that's that's that was the that was them that was emacs he didn't he meet i think he met chad um during the matrix i think i thought so yeah and i think they um i don't know

know the story so i'll probably butcher it but but the story i heard is um the samurai kiano did um the last samurai it was the last ronin last something like that something like that yeah it was a good movie i liked it yeah yeah yeah yeah i remember it didn't do great it was good and um he he trained with them and um i think they were in line to to do the whole action in that and i think somebody under underbid them they didn't get it in the end and and i felt like he held him a favor or something I heard this story. Okay. Isn't that crazy, though, how that happens, right?

Because that shit, at the time, they were probably bummed about it. Yeah. But then it leads them to this, and this is like made, I mean, it's definitely made Chad's career, you know, like, for sure. And so speaking of that, so you're on set for this, the love of the movie business still is flowing through your veins at that point, even more so probably after being on that. So at what, what does any, do any relationships come out of that plus, you know, obviously the, you know, from the, you know, from the, you know, from the, you know, you know, A lot of great relationships. In fact, one of the producers, Kale there, went to my L.A. screening of Kill Me Again. Okay.

Loved it. One of the best experiences I had was the L.A.'s premiere of Kill Me Again. Just being in there, like Joe Carnahan there, like all these industry people are there. And watching them laugh throughout my whole movie and laugh throughout my – these are jaded Hollywood guys. Sure. Yeah, yeah. And watching them react in the app. response afterwards is this is a great movie I'm so proud of it man and because of that one I

just met I went to 87 11 about a month ago and and met with the guys out there and now they're reading all my my scripts I love that's great so so come out of it you know that's great so kill me again then and because I remember when you were when you were here well I met for match show and Matt I got a chance and by the way thank you very much I just I can't remember what it was I think was a screening or something too but I was trying to get there it could make it you invited me very kind of you um but matt really enjoyed it man like and he's he talked about on rogan which was great yes he did and you know and you know matt um he he he's not gonna lie to you no he's not gonna lie to like i said him because i said it's a good fucking movie don't he

and he says i was fucking i was nervous because you know because if it's bad i got to tell the guy it's fucking it's like but he he he he he he he he he he's he texted me um afterwards like he was it was good it was real good so i was happy here and i look forward to watching it because now it's available where that's on prime and to be great yeah and who so give me the give me the cash you're in it i'm in it brandon fairs in it um a honda daffino's in it um but um i got uh cowboys in it michel watson does a great job in it karate hadi i gave all these uh cowboys in it and i say murray's green is in it the heavyweight uh fighter from uc he okay but all these guys i gave them like real rules like they're not like fighter rules like they're like michel's like a nurse

and she does amazing um yeah so i'm really proud of that yeah i look forward to seeing it man ral trout ral trout ral trillo is in it like he's amazing he was um you see apocalyptic yes yeah yeah one of my favorite movies i watched this before a lot of my fights because it's such a good movie wow but he was he was he was of the native guys he was like the main bad guy in that okay i i have to i remember that was that was that was that was yeah i remember the whole big thing with that one was because gibson was doing that with like no english it was and it's all And I remember that being like a big thing after Ra was amazing. He tied my movie together, man.

Did he? Oh, my God. Okay. So yeah, yeah, so that happened. Cool. All right. So what's up? So what then, so you get these connections.

You mentioned Carnahan. Now, did you know him previously? What I mean, Joe? Yeah, because he's a big fight fan. Yeah. He put me on his movie Stretch. I appreciate anybody watched Stretch, man. It was ahead of its time.

Like if it happened now, Stretch is a great movie, a great movie. And, um, I heard they might bring it back somewhere, but just it wasn't streaming back then and all that. So it kind of flew under the radar. Yeah. Really good way. Anyway, he gave me a little part of that and I met him there. And how did I really meet him?

All I know is somehow he just, he just appeared in my life. And one of those guys that's been a guy I can lean on like in this business, like I can call him up. And he's a guy that has your best interest in mind. And it's not like what's just in it for me. and like he's a real dude Hollywood's a lot of people have that zero some attitude in Hollywood yeah he's well so I had the pleasure of interviewing him

I told you we were texting when I was on Clarenel Live he came in I can't remember which movie he was promoting but he was in and we talked for a bit I remember the conversation we had it was very real and then at the end going I've always liked him but I can be more now because like there's not an ounce

of fake on that dude you know you know what you know now I remember I had a connection with them and and I call them and and I'm whatever and then I said in one of my scripts I really wanted to read my scripts yeah m-ma based script it's not really m-ma but it's the one that had a lot of heat on it and I have people attached to it and it's a real thing and he finally read it and he called me on the phone and uh Keith god damn it I got to tell you like this is one the best scripts

I read in the last bunch of years and whatever and he's talking about about a half an hour about the dialogue about whatever he told me it's I didn't prompt him he told me this was this is it's not I mean this is a taxi driver and I mean that's what he told me and it really that's more of a that's what it is and and um and it's one of the best calls of my life and is a really key you're a real writer and you gotta I want to help you do this script and all these things that's cool that's cool is that recently no that was a couple years okay probably but but that's what started that like this guy because with Joe like he's a real guy like he's a real guy like in this business and like you're talking about the comedy business I respect about the

comedy business so much is like fighting too is like you guys are in those back rooms and you're watching the other people up and coming comics and you see are they really putting their work in right there's you got to you got to take it you got to take your hits yeah and and joe's that way too like you're not just gonna some m m ms guy trying to be an actor right are you really putting the reps in your stripes exactly yeah man and so now i got that respect you know because i'm putting my 10 000 hours in and and so and he's he's you just we're kind of going back and forth he's so he's directing he's directing the the movie with uh ben and uh i went to i went to the premier rip i went to the

premier uh was it last one no two nights ago wednesday night yeah wow dude awesome yeah ben ben and ben affleck and matt damon and i never really seen them like this before yeah i'm really proud of him like he brought something different out of them and the way they react with each other the i mean they got this chemistry between them but it's never been like this before okay and it's good man okay yeah it's so that well by the time this drops it'll already be on Netflix um so i'm very excited to see it and they they were promoting the shit out of it you got because it's good yeah yeah yeah when that's going to get behind it any other way you know yeah and um um you got to pay attention i wish i had a theatrical release at netflix is amazing

but um a theatrical release because because you really you can't be looking at your phone when you watch this movie because there's there's a lot of detail a lot of detail i like that there's a lot of twists or saying you gotta pay attention like every every every word everything's on purpose okay good i'm gonna i'm actually gonna be doing i do like these watches on the channel so i'm probably gonna do one of that one on the channel oh cool yeah i'll be watching on the channel because i got pay pay attention i will i well i well i don't i never i don't turn my phone i want to watch i'm trying to lock especially the fact that you know jo's doing it and like how intense that he his movies are in general and the fact that those guys come back and then he got jana taylor who just won the golden globe

Best supporting actress. So, yeah, and it makes so much more sense. Like you, as you said, that Joe's a fight figure. Because him and Frank Grillo are real tight. Yeah. And Frank's like that. Frank's a great dude. I've had an opportunity to talking to him many times.

And, you know, he was just on Matcher recently. We've done peacemaking others. Another movie guy. It's all links in. It's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. I got another movie coming out, too.

What was talking about? We just announced it yesterday. Okay. It's going to premiere. On Friday, 13th, on South by Southwest. Oh, wow. What's the movie? It's over your dead body.

You directed? No, no, no. I got a really good part of it. Okay, okay. So you're acting in this one. So what's, who's, tell me about? It's Jason Seagull and Samarra. Oh, wow, cool.

It's me, Juliette Lewis, Timothy Alfront, Jason Segal and Samar Wiving. That's a fucking good cast. Core of the group. Hell yeah. Who directed? Yormant Tacone. Okay. He's an S&L guy, he did McGruber.

He did, he's a right person. Okay. So this is a big comedy? It's an action comedy. Okay. It's fucking funny, dude. It's, it's, what can I get away? Okay.

A couple is going out on, yeah, I can give this one. It's like a couple is going out on a caffeine, a camping trip, a cabin, and, and, and we're like, are you guys are going, you guys are getting along again? Oh, yeah, everything's fine. But they're actually, each of them are planning to kill each other. Oh, really? Okay. Okay. And so what do you, so can you talk about your role at all?

what you do yeah I'm just I'm I'm good I don't know you can't you don't want to get it all I know is uh I tested really high on it and it's gonna be really good oh I'm excited I'm excited that's great to say something that me the name of the movie over your dead body over your dead body okay and that's gonna be and that's it South by South by yeah okay shit we got it we got to look out for that one that's I mean that cast alone is incredible good for you man that's that's amazing things are hidden for me man like yeah I had the premiere here in New York with a had a theatrical run on my movie for for for for for a few weeks yeah but i missed the whole thing because i was out here

when i was out here on the wednesday i got on the thursday i got the call like i'm in season two of terminal list and like oh right yes and i knew it was coming up but they give you a big old block like like for the like six months or whatever and okay oh you're out here in morocco next week wow so okay so let's not sleep on that tell me about that tell us about terminal list terminal is amazing Chris Pratt is amazing. Yeah. It's being there. Terminalist is like I got into writing and independent films and features like hanging around Joe man Joe Carnahan like just these groups of people that use the same people and it's collaborating with people that you like and you want to work with. Yeah. And I love that. That's why I want to, I got my group of people and

in my circle like my cinematographer always work with them and all that and actors and all that. But series isn't always that way. Right. You know, series is like you go to series and you punch your time clock and you go home, you know. Right. And it's a different director every episode and really the showrunners and the producers and the actors themselves are what carry it carries a tour show out the whole thing. This is more, it was more of like a feature like where's a bunch of all these guys, all these producers. Um, um, the David, the the showrun all these guys are, it's like a family there, man and they're all operators. They're all real operators. They're turned writers and producers and directors.

And it's really cool to be in this family, man. You go do your, and you can go smoke a cigar afterwards, man. And it's so great, man. And like the calmness of it, like we were doing shots like, we got to make up this scene. And because we didn't get this thing. So we're going to do this thing before lunch. They're going to tie all these scenes together.

And it's not even written yet. And okay, I can see all these guys standing around. it's almost like they're planning all they're all operators and they're like planning a mission like like jared and kenny and all that and um uh what's the name he's amazing the warfare director oh okay i'll look at it for you he's amazing um anyways they're like planning on opt okay what would he say here oh he would say this oh and oh um maybe maybe he says this and there's writing the dialogue they're writing the scene out right there with no pressure and we got to do this in an hour before lunch Ray Mendoza Ray Mendoza he's a beautiful wonderful guy yeah have you

seen that movie yeah it's good it's crazy yeah yeah it's that would top five war movies I've ever seen it's it's I mean it's obviously very realistic yeah yeah it's all the same group of guys yeah I had the same on private Ryan impact when I saw that movie oh wow okay where it's like wow yeah yeah anyways anyway the point was it's just all these all these guys and it's like yeah it's just it's just a movie it's not that big of a deal and then we're gonna make this out yeah well what I like about this entire thing like listening you talk about obviously your your passion for it but like i like that you're getting into like different shit too horror movies action movies comedy movies and

that shows to me a real like a someone who wants to learn the whole entire thing plus just a movie fan in general but what's so i mean i can say what's next i mean you have so much on your plate already with the terminalist stuff coming with the south by movie with your movie what is next will you get more stuff coming out or are you auditioning for more stuff what's what's the goal well we got season three coming out right terminal list okay um we don't know when that's going to be but but um we got that i got a movie um coming out um i got another movie coming out too that's going to be really good too i just did ADR and that looks great um but my movies um i'm it's really cool in this world talk even talking to those actors at the premiere um a lot of actors in the premiere like this the industry

different now like if you're not the top half a percent that's bringing money the million dollars to the movie like if you're not batista and you're not kiana rives then you better be producing your own stuff yep um if you're waiting for that phone to ring like that's death no 100 percent yeah especially in today especially because it we mean speaking of matt and and ben they were talking i don't know if they're on stern or where they were but they were talking about how it's just so hard even for them like the what the why movies cost so much they do with theatrical distribution everything and how hard it is to get movies with profit right and because you used to be able to make so much more profit back with like DVDs and bluephrates and all that shit 100% and

might kill me again I I tell you right now like it it's a great fucking movie everybody that watch it everybody's supposed to hate it whatever loves this movie's a great fucking movie but um getting distribution getting a movie made isn't it's really hard but it's not hard compared to getting distribution is actually pretty easy now but getting people to watch a movie that's a different thing so much shit is so much stuff that you out there to watch I mean it's so true because I and I told you last time when you were here and I've been talking about on the channel quite a lot is that I'm I'm based I'm crowdfunding a pilot that I wrote and and it's and it's

like you're but and we've got really big people involved in it and even with those people we still got a crowd fund and do stuff and make sure that we like we get things like moving because you what we want to do is we we want to take the power out of like as you just mentioned beforehand where if you're not writing and stuff and doing stuff yourself you're fucked we want to take the power out of the hands of saying well that's that's that's not ready we don't want to buy that script like we're not presenting a script we're presenting a show you want you take the show you want to turn into a series give us money for the series but like this is the show and we we did all this without you guys yeah and we're sure and we're

At a level, I don't want to make something that looks like it was made for like a thousand dollars. I want to make something that looks like it's been sitting on Netflix already. And that's what you have the power of doing now. And you can do that now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You don't have to spend $15 million.

No way. No. You make it look at it. You can get, as I found, like, as I've found, like, if you have the right project, if you believe in your project, if you're passionate about it and other people are passionate about it, you can get anything done. Yeah. Yeah.

So that's where I'm at. You asked me where I'm, what's next? I got, I got, um, that MMA script I talked about. Um, I do have somebody really good attached to that. Okay. And people that are interested in that, but. Director or writer? I mean, director or actor?

Uh, actor. Okay. Actor. Okay. And, um, I got, I got another really funny, uh, neo-noir that I wrote that, that I'm going to be the lead in that. That's cool. I'm pushing that, too.

And, um, I got another Western that, that, um, the first thing that ever wrote that, that people read and I had some people attached to it but it didn't work out but that got my other stuff read but that's a big budget Western I got these things but how long is it going to take

for these things to happen right? Right. So like hopefully these will happen this year like I'm good conversations but if it doesn't I'm still trying to come up with that cheaper idea that I can do so I'm writing every day

to come what can I do under $2 million that I can shoot at the end of the year because I know I can get money for this at the end of the year if it's a good script. Yeah. So it's always working on

like I'm not going to wait for these things to happen I can wait for five years. And you shouldn't. And you join. Like it's, it really is when you came into mats, um, showed people behind the curtain for people, I usually sit over there and I'm listening to the conversation. I was very intrigued by your story, your conversation that you were having.

And I was, I was happy when you reached out because I was like, yeah, man, we should fucking, no, we should talk about this because this is a, you speak in my language, you know. So again, I want to congratulate you for everything that you're doing right now. I can't wait to see your movie. And I can't wait to see this movie of South By, which sounds incredible. So again, thanks for coming in. And one more time.

So where people want to go check out? Kim again, where do they go? Kim again, is on Prime and Tubey right now. It's everywhere you want to find it, but mainly Prime and Tubey. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Guys, please go check that movie out for sure. If you haven't watched Keith Cardin's fights.

Go and look at them. You talk about a warrior. That's the man I'm sitting here with today. So thanks for watching us. Really appreciate it. Comment, click like. I'll put a link in the description of where you can find, kill me again. We'll see you guys soon.

Thank you to prize picks and thank you to the great Keith Jardine. I love talking to Keith, man. He's a really genuine, just a good dude. And as I said at the end of that conversation, when he was in with Matt, I was like, oh yeah, I'm just intrigued with someone who really using his, the same type of ethic and his work ethic and what he did for fighting and incorporating that into the struggle of acting and writing and directing and having success. And he does it so quietly when he's talking about the success.

The amount of projects that he's already been in and is still going to be in. When he's telling me the thing about Southpire, I was like, holy shit, what a cast. And I feel like it's going to continue to get better for him because of, the way that he carries himself. So I hope you enjoyed that conversation. It was a really good conversation. By the way, yesterday, Roxy Stryor was talking about a lot of different things on TV. And I said, keep on talking about some stuff. And hopefully the shows that she's continually pushing, watching every week, you guys give some suggestions. I said to Roxy, you know what you should be covering even more every week? There's selfish reasons.

Abbott Elementary. Cover that show. She did cover it yesterday. She should probably cover it again. So I also want to get to this story before we get into your questions. You know, 11 questions. So we're going to be off the air pretty fast. So let me get to this story. This dropped. The full trailer for Masters of the Universe is dropping Tamara. So I want to talk about the teaser thing that they put out there. So let's check out the news story anyway. Masters of the Universe trailer gets teased.

So there is the picture And you've got the photo right there And Amazon MGM Studios has announced the first trailer For the upcoming live action Master's Universe film We'll go online tomorrow Ahead of that they released a special 30 second teaser for the clip One mostly about evoking the 80s time period

Of the original cartoon Before showing off a few new shots from the film In the footage we get a glimpse of Adam his sword, attorney of landscape, Idris Elba's man in arms, Battlecat, Tila, and potentially Kristen Wig as Roboto. In the film, 10-year-old Adam crash lands on his mother's home planet Earth, separating him from his ancestors' power of sword. Gray skull, two decades later, he takes a sword back.

Two decades later? No point he's supposed to grow up on inter... All right. Watch a movie before you judge. I follow my own advice as he battles for his home planet attorney against the evil forces. the skeletons were. All right. So this is the, if you watched my most anticipated movie list, one of the movies at number 10 was indeed Master's Universe. So I wanted to know, I wanted to know what the tone was going to be.

So I told you that someone I knew saw the movie in one of those test screenings who was just as excited as I was to see the movie and said, I'm sad to tell you this thing plays more like love and thunder than anything else. It certainly looks like a love and thunder or Ragnarok feel from that trailer. Hopefully it's the latter.

And, you know, a mixture of both the comedy and there is. I hate the fact that Adam, I've said this, that he went to Earth and stayed there for 20 years like Neo and then finds the sword and then goes back to attorney a years later. I guess that's a way to get him to not be a kid younger. I don't know. The whole point is that he was a prince of attorney and he was growing up there. And I don't like that element. But as I said, I haven't seen the movie. They might execute it really, really well.

I'm still hopeful because of Travis Knight. I hold all of those keys to the castle that, listen. Travis Knight is a very good, again, filmmaker, storyteller. My worrying concern, again, is what the pitch was and the tone is because from that trailer, they're going more so of playing into the nostalgia of that 80s. feel. I still, that's never the route that I really thought that the property should go if you wanted to give it longevity, but I could be absolutely mistaken and this type of tone could work. We'll find out from the trailer tomorrow. You get a little bit more, but I'm definitely nervous,

but I have faith in Travis Knight. So that's what I can say. But I also, well, they're so scared about Orcom. No, no orco again. Why is everyone so scared of orco? You can make him work. It's not like such a hard thing to, you can make Battlecat, you can make Orko. Why he's so scared of Orko? Especially if you're doing the 80s version of this.

I understand harder to do in the 1987 version, but if you're doing this in 2006 and you're basing it off that tone and you're putting in a turning, how do you not get Orco? I don't know. We'll see. We'll see how it looks. I'm looking forward to the entire trailer. It'll be out there tomorrow. What do you think? You like it. You not like it. Put your thoughts in there and let me know. Okay. Let's get to the questions. As I say, if you're new to this channel, we do a competition. Whoever's on the show, we try to beat those people and get the most questions for these super chats. I'm in 11. So I'm in last place. It's my channel. I'm in last place. If that says anything.

Rok is at 72 in the lead. Mike and Roxy could not do it yesterday. Some might say they shit the bed. Did you shit in there? So now it's up to me. And then last week's winner, Steph, we'll be back tomorrow. Let's start with our good buddy, Sean McCabe. I wanted to give a big shout out to the entire team. Thank you, Sean. Thank you for always bringing your A game. Thank you, Sean. This is such an amazing community and the McCabe clan will always have your six. Much love. If there's anybody who I would hope to have our six, it's you, my friend. I'm excited. Really excited to, you know, share more news with you and the rest of the crew, obviously, but coming soon. And I think you're going to be pretty pumped.

Seattle, KO, support for Harlow. Thank you, Seattle. KO. Hope you enjoyed that interview with Jardine, especially with that, with that, you know, your avatar there. It's pretty cool. James Diesel. Remember, Rick became the third EPMando 2. Yes, he did. And that's probably why he's probably being involved more so in season four,

if they do it, for sure. And he had a new IP movie at Lucas from Fall Apart because they lost the rights. Oh, is that what it was? Matter of time before he, oh, he had a new IP movie that he lost the rights to, not just the Star Wars thing. I hear what you're saying. Matter of time before he hits on something big. If I'm gone, I grab him up.

I don't disagree. I really like him. I think he, and he's, he's, he's passionate. I like him too. I'm with you. Fuzzy Bubbles 101. Any donkeys in space news? No, we broke the story here yesterday.

They hit a snag in production. So we got to see what happens. But for right now, it's, there's a snag. Chris, Kraus, 62820. You get a blank check to do a TV show to rehab the sequel's image, a la Clone Wars for the prequels. What's your pitch? Pitches, I see.

steal the money and make my own show that I'm working on right now. Does that count? I would put the money into that. But rehab the sequels image a la Clone Wars for the prequels. What's your pitch? Probably working on Luke's Jedi Academy and building that out and see how that works out. I was talking about this with Luke, the producer. I know that people aren't going to get on board with this.

But this is the way. Well, I shouldn't say that. There's a certain generation that's not going to get bored with this. But we are getting to a place where, I mean, even though Kathleen Kennedy is leaving Lucasfilm and she's going to work on AI stuff. Bob Eiger is introducing AI stuff to Disney Plus so people get up generated stuff. People are responsibly, the SORA signed a deal with people. It's coming, whether or not we want it or not. It's coming, right?

It's going to happen. Ben Affleck was talking about it. Chris Pratt was talking about it. going to it's going to be part of the business. And eventually, I remember saying this, and this is before I really knew what AI was. I said, eventually they're going to have the kind of technology where you're going to put a young John McLean in a movie. If Bruce Wilson's family says, okay, yeah, you're going to have his likeness, you know all this stuff, pay us, do what you want to do. That kind of stuff is going to happen. Now, whether or not it's going to

happen in five years or 20 years, it's going to happen. And right now, the thing is what we always say about certain things is that you're like, oh, well, we can just tell. And right now you can. You certainly can. It's getting better, but you can tell the robotic kind of dialogue still, even though the voices are getting better, the robotic dialogue, there's some things with their face. You can kind of tell quickly what it is. But Luke sent me this thing this

morning that popped up on like TikTok or something. And it was like, it was Varys from Game of Thrones talking about the Hedge Knight. And for like 10 seconds, I was like, is that an episode of the show that I haven't seen? I look forward to watching it with Sam. It's like, no, they made it to promote the show. So I think that there will be things that happen down the line with Luke and other things that will fall into this. I know that there's going to be people, especially my generation, your generation, they're going to kick and scream, but eventually we will be phased out.

And eventually that's where it's going to go. And it's going to be significantly cheaper to make this stuff than beforehand. When they really hammer down the technology, when you can fool us, and when the dialogue doesn't sound robotic and it seems real and you can also get people who are writing scripts to put their scripts into it and it's executed into the thing it's unfortunately going to happen I know you can you can argue about it's it shouldn't happen I don't disagree with you that's not what we're talking about we're talking about the inevitable you know what I'm saying it's inevitable it's going to happen and it's the generation's going to push it

forward. So, go pal. I'm realizing I like Jensen, but I can't remember seeing him anywhere about the boys. IMDB says he was on Dark Angel with Jessica Alba and Dawson's Creek. Yes, he was, but he was also, I mean, supernatural for that was where he lived forever. That's where he built his audience from. I think I told, I definitely told this to the audience. I revealed it recently. I had a very long, it might have been two days worth of conversations with on a Skype call with Jensen Eccles and I believe, and his wife and mutual friend. And we were very close to doing supernatural schmodeown stuff, but it just didn't come to be. But that was during the pandemic. That would have been very interesting.

Go pal. I never saw more than the pilot's supernatural. There you go. Fart. I agree. I absolutely. 100% agree with that sentiment. Did you shit in there?

All right. So next one after that. That little Yankee. Been a while, Christian, still in training. You're such a great interviewer. Thank you, little Yankee. I learned such interesting tidbits. Thanks and continued blessing.

That's very, very kind of you. Yeah, I like talking to people, man. It's one of the things that I, you know, and I went to the Critics Choice Awards. I got an opportunity to sit where we sat at the same table with the with the K-pop ladies and with Alex Wu, both who I've interviewed, and they both had very kind things to say about the interviews, the conversations that we had.

And it was nice because, I mean, honestly, it would be one of those things that I would like to do. I mean, if I could do it once a week and have a bigger guest every week, I would do it. I would do it. And I would want to do it. But book it out by myself with also the crap, it's work, guys. You don't realize that this is actually work.

Like, oh, what do you do? You get a real job. It's like, you try to do this. Like consistently trying to do, you know, book and stuff. I mean, making content, everybody who makes content. Everybody who makes content who is consistently running a channel. Like even if, even if you think, oh, all that person does is yelling, scream, about things. They're putting content out, they're doing things. Like, it's work. It's work.

Editing, you know, making sure that they're following consistency with the algorithm. But like when it comes to a guess though, holy shit, that's a full-time job alone. Got PLD trying to do that now. See if we can get some more guess. But it's going to be, it's going to be a bit. Go, pal. man Brendan Fair and Magendra Delphin I was a huge Roswell fan back in the day you know I didn't watch Roswell

you'd be surprised you know you'd be surprised okay go pal I heard Canon films had $3 and half a sandwich to make Masters University in 87 if they had half a sandwich I'd be surprised

what a disappointment that movie was the Brandon salad really enjoyed your quick spot on Campia show that was fun yeah it was fun So for those you to know, John had reached out, I think he reached out on Sunday night. I assume it was Sunday night. Yeah, because I filmed with him on Monday. That makes sense.

And he asked me if I'd like to do a little spot on the show. And I said, yeah. He and I, it's so easy to, I told him at the end of it, and he got off the air. It's like, you should do a longer spot because five minutes for the two of us. It just goes like that. So if you want to see that spot, it's on Campia's show. He debuted it last night. Yeah.

Okay, let's see. Next one after that. Michael, support for Christian. Great interview with Keith. Thank you. I'm glad that you guys liked it. I enjoyed it myself. All right, three more of them.

We're going to get off the air unless you want to keep us on. Up to you. Chris Krause. Lifting goals. 400 pound. DL. Be able to bench two bench Roca. No, I'm not looking for for Mass.

That's not what I want to do. I joked about it and I laughed about it with, well, Matt, Sarah and Stallone, when I talked to Stallone. And I just wanted to be able to build out the chest. And that's been happening. So that's good. So that's one of the goals.

But it's getting myself in shape. And plus the fact, what I want to do is I told, I think I told you guys yesterday. I want to, I'm going to go on this 90-day. like crazy diet, counting calories and doing that stuff too, because I feel like we're getting closer and closer than eventually, you know, we hit these goals for the show when we start shooting, I, I want to be ready. And the character calls for it. So, uh, there you go. James Diesel 1468. I loved Darth Bain. One, need to start two. So good. I want Miguel Sapich to do it as a show and Alexander Lugge as Bain. I would love, listen, I try not to dive deep into

my wants on those novels because I know we're never going to get it. Because it's more realistic and understandable. If I was, if I was an executive at Disney and someone's like, hey, we want to do a Darth Bain movie,

three movies, or we want to do a Darth Plagueist novel movie, I'd say what's our budget because I'm not feeling that. And we might surprise you to hear that. You have like, it's way harder to get people on board to support a villain movie as opposed to a villain TV show.

The villain TV show all day long. I'm green lighten those all day long. And that's why they, that's why they, you know, do pretty well on television. And you do those kind of, I would love to see.

That's what I thought Acclant was going to be. You can make the argument that they tried to do that. and if you watch the whole thing and the way that it ends you're like, well, see, it's kind of it's kind of lazy. I would like to see them actually adapt their books, though.

That would be great. I just don't see it happening. Draw it. J.A.846, has been confirmed. Christina Hodson is writing the brave and the bold. Has it been actually confirmed? I know that Snyder had put it out there, but is it brave in the bold? And who is

Christina Hudson? I don't, so I don't know who that is. Let me say, Christina Hodson Okay So what did Christina Hodson write Birds of Prey

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said she was in the movie It's possible It's possible She could have been lying to me She could have been lying to me it's possible. I don't know though. I could see her being in it, but man, look, Andrew Garfield lied too when Horowitz asked him.

So it wouldn't be the first actor who lied about it, but I had to ask. Go pal. It was that first as benched to Rokas, hell of a goal. Two Rokas, Rokas lighter now, so maybe. Nathan Drake, is Kira supposed to be in Shadow Lord? I don't know. Apparently the trailer is coming out for it. And enough people have asked me about it.

I'll watch the trailer for it. I told you, the main reason I'm excited is not the word, but the main reason I'm intrigued about that is because I know that Sam Whitwer is a producer on it. Sam, Sam deserves this shot to try to produce his own thing. And I think that's, that would be great. So let's,

let's see. We'll see tomorrow. John, I really like the idea of Ackles as bad. man. Sorry, Christian. You're backing Slinar. Who you like for Robin? I say Aden Gallagher. Well, first of all, Ackles was on my list. I wouldn't

be upset if he got it because I think he'd pull it off and I think he'd be pretty good. And depending on how much time has passed, and I think that this is, I think they're going for an older Batman, if they are doing the Brave and the Bold storyline. So, and I don't know

as far as Robin goes. I don't know. I don't know enough. Is Aiden Gallagher, actually, you know what? Is that the kid from, let me see. It might be the same kid that we're thinking of. If it is, I'm with you on this. Hold on. Is this the kid?

Where is he? Hold on. How'd that happen? Eden Gallagher. Come on, Andy Gallagher. Let me see. I think it's the kid that I'm, is it from the umbrella academy? That kid?

Yes. That's the kid I was thinking of too. Yeah. He's 100%. I actually asked when I had David Kestaneda on. I asked him about that. That's a clip. on there. Ludwig is excellent on heels. Great show, but very sad. Yeah, you know, I saw the first

season of heels, which says Gopal. And I liked, I like the first season. I never watched the second season. Both Bonnie Summer, Monty Somerville played C.M. Punk's wife or something on that, which is hilarious. Gopal follows it up. I'd also love to see Mrs. Ackles in more stuff. Yeah, so who knows? Maybe, maybe she will, as the, as the star grows, as they say. Go Pal, keeping us on. Always rooting for Whitwer. Yeah, for sure. Former Star Wars champ. Okay. So I guess that's it.

And that's fine today. Tomorrow we got myself and Steph on the show. So I think that we are having a fun week so far. People have been asking about Game of Thrones. And I'm glad we've gotten ready two out of there. next well when I got off the air with you guys today I want to start to put together the schedule for the rest of the reactors I haven't had anybody else in because I've still been

recovering from the from the LA trip and now I can start kind of get back to my normal schedule so all right I appreciate you thank you very much and we will see you guys on tomorrow's show with Steph who is who has a chance has a chance to take out Mike or not take out, Roka at 72. Roka's holding the spot of 72 here. Oh, here's the 25th. Mark Jason, Mark Jason Lelyafamka is in it. Why do you want to know 11 months out from the release, Atlas for Batman? I think that's a fair point. If you can keep it secret, Mark, it's just, I guess the answer is this. Why would I want to know? because she's the only surprise.

It's like, is that you've already got, they've already announced, you know, Patrick Stewart coming back, Ian McKellen, James Marsden, Hugh Jackman, like, it's, if they, if nobody was announced, then no, I wouldn't want to know. But it's like, the rest of your,

your whole crew has been announced. So it's not, is it that big of a reveal? I don't know. James Diesel, 1468 Demon Slayer. Probably not, my man. Those videos ate duty and cost me a lot of money. Cost me a lot of money. They ate dude. Nobody, no, the hardcore fans were watching. Nobody else was. So I got to find new things for Winston and I to watch because I'd like to eventually finish it.

But I can't, I just, it's just fiscally irresponsible to try to keep doing that. Nobody, nobody was watching them. towards the last episode I think did okay but overall the entire series for what I was for Winston and I were doing just wasn't it just worked someone says Ackles is kind of old isn't I think he's like 40 but if they're doing the brave and the bold Batman

he's supposed to be in his 40s so no okay thanks again everybody I appreciate everything that you've been doing I appreciate all the support thank you to Jordan. Thank you to our wonderful sponsors here today. And that's it. So I appreciate you. We'll see you guys on the flip side. And unless there's any other questions. Nope. That's it.

Thanks, everybody. See you tomorrow. Bye.