The Kristian Harloff Show - CRAZY! UFO Anti-Gravity Programs exposed by Jesse Michels?

Episode Date: February 27, 2024

Become a Patron!: https://www.patreon.com/TheBigThingShow What a crazy week! Jesse Michels host of the YouTube show American Alchemy posted a video called The Man Who built UFO's for the CIA (Not Bob Lazar) In this video it chronicles the life of Townsend Brown, the man who supposedly cracked anti-gravity. Michels details how Brown was heavily involved and worked on a lot of technology we see today and that are linked to the UAP phenomenon. The doc goes further down the rabbit hole and they discuss Bob Lazar and how he might have been a pawn for John Lear. We discuss this, the link to time travel that is suggested. We talk about the new hearings that are coming up and what they mean and how they are different form the hearings this past summer. Sean Kirkpatrick has a new statement coming and what the heck was that with space X? This and more on today's UAP Tuesday with Kristian Harloff, Mark Reilly and special guest Pavel! #UAP #UFO #reverseengineering #space #programs #conspiracy #coverup OUR SPONSORS: AG1: http://www.drinkAg1.com/BIGTHING THE PERFECT JEAN: F*%k your khakis and get The Perfect Jean 15% off with the code BIGTHING15 at http://www.theperfectjean.nyc/BIGTHING15  #theperfectjeanpod BLUE CHEW: BlueChew wants to help you have better sex! Discover your options at http://www.BlueChew.com. Chew it and do it! TUSHY Over 3 Million Butts Love TUSHY. Get 10% off TUSHY with the code BIGTHING at https://hellotushy.com/BIGTHING #tushypod JESSE MICHELS VIDEO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTEWL... PAVEL CHANNEL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKSDy... OUR MERCH STORE IS LIVE: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/the-... FOLLOW KRISTIAN + FIND HIM ON CAMEO https://cameo.com/kristianharloff https://twitter.com/kristianharloff https://facebook.com/harloff https://instagram.com/kristianharloff AMAZON WISHLIST: https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls...

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It's the big thing. And I'm so glad that you guys are joining us here today. I really appreciate it. You know, I got a comment last week. Someone who was kind of newer to the show and started watching. I said, I really enjoy what you guys are talking about here. I just have a question. Is there enough to cover every week, you think?

As someone who's into it? And my answer now, every time someone asks that is, and then some. And I say that because it was the same question I had with Riley when we started talking about doing this show. So there's going to be enough stuff to cover, and then I learned myself, Venzum, and then some. Because there's stuff, even so much I'm going to have another announcement about daily stuff. That's how much news is constantly coming in from the community. But what we're really going to cover in depth today is this Jesse Michael's video that he just put out on February 22nd.

The name of it is called The Man Who Built UFOs for the CIA, and in parentheses, not Bob Luzon. are it's about Townsend Brown, the anti-gravity, the whole, the stuff behind it, it's fascinating. And when you go down the rabbit hole in this, there's so many more questions. We already had, that's why we're doing this in general, all the questions that we have. But there's more questions. And there's more answers that are coming in, especially when it's a few other things will cover, because this is going to be so much in this, doc, that the conversation is just going to go on and on and on.

So some of the other things I'd like to cover that I hope that we get to. is there's also this new report or about the field hearings and what exactly that means the field hearings in general what is different about the hearings that they had last summer what will the field hearings exactly cover and James Fox, one of our favorite filmmakers inside of this community he had a new interview something following up from his moment of contact doc

that he did and something about that Varsinia case we'll talk about that. other things but this is the stuff this this this stuff that's coming in with this documentary the questions that are we going to be talked about and we're going to ask and other things that just kind of blew our mind if you're brand new to this channel you never been to this channel before you saw this you want to talk about this and you're interested about the phenomenon hit that button man we're trying to get to 200,000 faster than we got to 100,000 subscribers and the reason why is because we approach this in people who are just kind of like well what is this thing we don't know

We're not experts. There's tons of experts, the Jeremy Corpbells of the world and the Jesse Michaels of the world. We are people, the normal schmo's here just talking about what is this stuff? And we feel like this is why this show is growing because there's a lot of you out there. So be part of this conversation. We had Steve Bassett on last week. More and more people have been watching that interview. I thank you.

We're going to get more people coming up. So we're excited. Really excited today. Apple Podcast, Spotify. we're pretty sure, and I guess I just make the announcement now, we're pretty sure that we're going to be doing a separate podcast feed for this show. I think we're going to move it away from the other podcast feed and move just the podcast feed to its own separate thing.

And that being said, this show will stay on this channel. It's not moving. It'll be on Tuesdays, same as it is. No, like, oh, my God, where do I find it now? It's where it's going to be. However, what I'm pretty sure that I'm going to start doing, because there is so much content coming out daily that we can't always cover it on this show, we're going to start doing some daily videos on this. And it could be five, it could be 10 minutes. It may be more.

But we're going to start a new channel. And those pieces that you guys have been seeing, I've been doing the Who is the David Grush one. We did Lou Alizondo. Probably not going to do one this week because I want to get the new channel set up because that's where that's going to live. All that stuff is going to live on that channel now. And so we're going to do daily content there. And I'm pretty sure someone gave me the suggestion in the comments, and I'm going to call it down to earth with Christian Harlough,

because I think that it gets the point across of what this is. So look for that. And it might even be up by this week or next week. We're working on it. So there you go. All right, that's everything. Let's get into it, man. This is the show.

It's myself. It's Mark Riley and special guest, Pavelle, joining us here today. Let's do it. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. It is the big thing. UAP Tuesdays, myself, Christian Harloff, Mark Yodius Riley. Hello, everybody. Nice to have you here more.

It's so good to be here changing my worldview every 24 hours with these news. Dude, these news breaks. These documentaries. Insane. It's insane. It's insane. It's insane. And joining us today, he is.

Pavel and Pavel, if you don't know, has his own channel. And I always link in the description when he's on the show. Obviously, he helps me out with the writing of the What Is Series. He's going to be helping me out with the daily content. And he does a lot of great interviews on his channel. How are you, Pavel? Hey, guys. What a crazy week.

What a crazy week, huh? Yeah. Kudos to Jesse Michaels, man. He does some great content. All right. So, yeah, this Jesse Michaels, Doc, is just crazy. So Pavel, let's just talk about this thing, man, right off the bat. So did you have any knowledge that this thing was dropping?

Because I know that you know, and before we even get into the documentary itself, give us a little background on Townsend Brown. Because this is a name that I have heard since getting into this community, I've heard this name over and over and over again. I think that one of the first times I actually heard it was on the Y files and that thing that I sent you that you never watched Riley. So that thing is one of the things that I, that's one of the first times. And it seems like he was kind of discredited, but now more and more so is getting more credited.

Is that accurate? Yes, he's been stigmatized since, well, his whole career, basically, because he was at a very specific place in time when anti-gravity was becoming like the trend in the science world. and his ideas were pretty out there and they were very stigmatized by the scientific community. The first time I heard someone who knows about this talking about this was Eric Weinstein on the Joe Rogan podcast who was on the episode of Jesse Michaels.

And well, the thing is that what you don't know is they stigmatized him, but in a sense, I think Townsend Brown was like the Tesla of this era, you know? Yeah, for some reason you have confetti now. It's stupid. It's my birthday.

Is it? No. Maybe that makes some sense. It's cute with the quotes. I don't know what happens. Stupid. Anyway, well, yeah, so this is, and for people who don't know, once again,

he was part of this anti-gravity program, and it looks like he's the one guy that, like, cracked it. and like did it. Sure seems that way. When you listen to some of this stuff in this documentary, there were people that worked with him, the people who studied under Einstein that went to go listen to his program

and they were blown away by what this guy knew or what he was able to accomplish. And then you started to see all these programs that he was involved with through the years. And what it seems to me, and Riley, I'll start with you. And then you can tell me if you felt differently on this. At first, as I'm watching this thing,

I'm like, well, wait a minute. The way that they're explaining it, it seems like it's explained more that these things we're seeing in the air are actually our craft because they figured out how to do it. That's because when you look at it, well, in the 1950s, 1960s, they were trying to do these UFOs, the disc shape, they were trying to get off the ground but couldn't get off the ground. And then by the 80s or 90s, it seems like they cracked it.

So these things that you're seeing, because some of the technology that Townsend Brown came up is definitely inside of some of these stealth bombers. And when you go down the whole rabbit hole of the John Lear and Bob Lazar part of it, it's crazy. But at the first half of it, I'm like, oh, so what Jesse Michaels is saying here is that these things we're seeing in the sky aren't alien craft. They're us.

It's not what he's saying. But I'm just saying. It seems like you're like, oh, well, that can explain that maybe they did crack this. Because I think a lot of people are going to say that. Yeah, that's what we've been telling you. It's not aliens. They figured out how to do this a long time ago. Is that, did you get that in the first, like, half an hour, 40 minutes?

Yeah, I couldn't agree more. I talk about making a right turn, like, in the middle of an 80-mile-an-hour drive. You know, just, f-n-or, because I just, at first I was, I was feeling this wave of, like, disappointment come over me, where I'm like, you know, what, is it just, is it just, is it just the, but then it just kind of all, and I made a joke at the top of the show. My worldview changing within 24 hours every day, changed again. in in that I go wait a minute this could be just us in the future or like technology this is what I'm trying to say because my mind is racing from this technology science can very much lead to the discovery of everything in the future and that this could very well be us interdimensional like cracking codes that then you know Time travel is brought up. We'll get there. I'm not going there just yet.

But the idea that, you know, this technology that Townsend Brown is talking about is discovered and that people, Pavell, you said, was stigmatized because, I think, because they don't want him to be right. Disinformation. Yeah. That, you know, you see these UFOs, these UAPs over nuclear testing sites that the Oppenheimer program there. you know, they started seeing UAPs, you know, in their research. I mean, this could very well be, it's like this sci-fi movie, you know, the UFO lands, it opens up, and it's us coming out to warn us.

Right, right. Well, Pavel, so let me ask you, man, so the beginning part of it, because I don't, like Riley said, I don't want to get too much into the other stuff yet, because I'd like to take this kind of sectional. When we, when you see the beginning of that, were you feeling kind of the same way up top as that they were, like, because I was confused because Jesse Michaels has been a big proponent, obviously, he had Grush on, he has all these different people on that has proven. He's very much a believer in the phenomenon and what it is and these particular things,

what it could be. So didn't it seem at first in the first, like, half an hour that he was trying to say, like, no, this is what he worked on because it is our technology. Yeah, I have stumbled upon information related to that before. I think Jesse thinks it's all of the above, not just us. Right. I'm in for that first half an hour, though. I'm saying the way that it was proposed in that first half.

Well, he wanted to make it clear, I think, in my view, that this has some truth to it. I mean, the Townsend Brown story and the technology he cracked. But, yeah, maybe he wanted to play it like that for the documentary. But yeah, I don't think he believes it's the only thing that it's true. No, I mean, clearly, clearly, if you keep watching it, that he says as much. And then you start to get into the, the Babazar part of it, is the most confusing part for me because it was kind of like a knock on Bob Lazar. I saw it that way.

I don't know. I don't know what you guys think. I don't, I didn't take it as a knock. I took it as he was what he was, he, he pretty much painted Lazar as a pawn. Not as much as a knock because he doesn't say he, he, he prefaces at a top. He says, I'm not saying that I don't believe that he worked at the program. I think that he very well might have. But I think that he was, it would make sense that he was fed misinformation because I'll be honest at first when he made the point.

I'm like, I don't know. I mean, I've never, I've never had a clear stance on, on Lazar yet because I do, I do feel the same that he's got, that what a lot of people say. He has stuck to the same story for years. He hasn't changed his story. And he believes his story. I think that that's all valid. And so when he started painting that picture, I was like, I don't know if I'm going with Jesse on this one,

but then he starts bringing up the John Lear stuff and the reasoning behind why John Lear would feed disinformation and why he would go to George Knapp and why he would have reason to do that. And it started making sense to me with the fact that if they had this technology for the stealth bomber and they didn't want it being out there, they're like, no, blame it.

Talk about aliens because they won't go down. This round. You know, there's this one name that links both Bob Lassar and Townsend Brown. And a lot of people don't know, but the way Bob Lassar got his job, according to him, was due to Edward Teller, who's the father of the hydrogen bomb. Right, right. The hydrogen bomb. And Taylor was one of the credible witnesses who corroborated everything Townsend Brown has been working on. He's one of the five credible witnesses that Jesse Michaels mentions in his documentary.

So that, I think Edward Teller had like a central role in all of this because he saw Townsend Brown's work. And he also gave Bob Lassard the like the past to work at S4. So Riley, you know, you hear all that and the Lazare portion of it because they spent a good five, ten minutes. with the John Lear because remember we covered that George Knapp documentary that they did on News Nation, which we're going to talk

about News Nation and the Hill. They've fallen off the map recently where they've been. They haven't covered anything. They didn't cover the sole stuff. Who got to them? So we'll, but that's another thing. Let's talk about the Lazar portion of it

because we watched that George Knapp thing and they covered that John Lear extensively with inside that part of it and how this all can be and how he was introduced to Bob Lazar. What do you think about the kind of hypothesis that Jesse makes in this that Lear kind of almost sets Lazar up to be, I don't know, almost, it seems like a patsy.

Is that right? I felt that way too. I mean, it's just, it's really hard to classify a lot of this for me just because it's a lot of mind-bending stuff. But I, you know, you said, Patsy Pond, you know, what it truly comes to, for me, is that there is so much disinformation that can come out of these things. When people, and I think this is just in our society, in the United States especially,

is that if you look at like the electric car, right, there are like forces that try to stop that from becoming a thing. Sure. Because it's all monetary based. and I think that we're looking at similar things here. The minute, like, let's say Townsend Brown is invented, you know, the anti-gravity, whatever it may be, and then you have Bob Lazar and you have all these names coming in there, you know, all of a sudden you have information that's coming out and you go, oh, he's a pawn, you know, and people see it as that. I mean, that could be a part of disinformation.

It could be, I think, the idea that it's just trying to stop the progress of our, our movement and technology. There was a part with Bershett. Jesse Michaels is talking to Bershett, and he's like, why would we want to keep all of this secret? And I mean, Bershett just always cuts to the point. He's like, ego. You know, it's just they're so full of themselves.

Well, hold that then, because this is a few, I mean, is he's jumping forward in the documentary, but there's three quotes that I pulled from this documentary. And let me tell you what these three are. All right, these are three quotes here. And Pavel, if you have some info on some of the gentlemen that gave these particular quotes, I know that you got to watch the whole thing. But this is from John Andrews at Tester's Motor Corporation. And the quote is, and again, this is from Jesse Michaels doc.

It was Ben Rich's opinion that the public should not be told about UFOs and extraterrestrials. He believed they could not handle the truth ever. That's the first quote. Another quote from John Andrews again. Only the last month of his decline did he begin to feel that the international corporate board of directors dealing with this subject UFOs could represent a bigger problem to the citizens' personal freedom under the United States Constitution. And the one that really got me, Ben Rich, second director of Lockheed Skunk Works. We already have the means to travel among the stars. But these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity.

that's not earth shattering at all when I read that we already have the means I'm going what I believe that I believe that to a certain degree I really do

because I mean it's like this is this is all new stuff for me and Christian you say at the start of the show all the time and we're just two regular guys and Pavel here three regular guys that we're just we're looking for answers and every day every new piece of information or evidence that comes forward or is revealed, I should say, changes my opinion of this.

I mean, it's constantly moving. It's like time. Pavel, what do you think about these quotes? And is there anything you want to add to some of the gentleman who made some of these statements? Yeah, Ben Rich. He's like famous within the UFO community because he said some other stuff. For example, at one of the talks he gave at a university. Who is he?

Who is he exactly? He was one of the first directors of the skunk works. Okay. And, you know, the skunk works is kind of like the umbrella corporation. Oh, yeah. From Brazilian Evil. They're kind of like that, I think, because they have all the secrets. They have all the tech.

There are a lot more corporations that do have a lot of great tech, too. But these guys were like the first. Okay. I mean, they did the SR 71, which is essentially one of the, the biggest or and the fastest airplanes in history. And Ben Rich, in one of those talks, he said, insinuated that the way you cracked anti-gravity and space travel was through ESP, which is extrasensory perception. And that was kind of weird.

That was kind of like a weird quote to say because he's essentially saying that these machines can be manipulated through your mind, essentially. that's what he's saying. And he's quoted saying that too. And these quotes are just some more from many that he did when he retired from the Skunk works. He kept giving talks and everything. Yeah.

Well, I mean, first of all, this is Lockheed Martin, which we've been talking about forever, which everyone thinks that they're the ones who are really funding this whole thing. And the ones basically who were responsible, one of the ones responsible for kind of gutting that Schumer and Rounds bill and all that stuff. But like they've, they're always mentioned, this guy was part of their program saying that we have the means. We have the means to space travel now.

We wanted to do it. And then if you look at this stuff that they're talking about with how these certain technologies that they were working on from Towns and stuff in the 50s and 60s wasn't working out, but by the time we got to the 80s and the 90s, they probably got a lot better. But Pavel, do you, what do you think about when you, when you hear that quote about that we already have the means.

Do you think that that's accurate? Do you think that, A, we do have the means and that they are locked up in these kind of black programs? If they have had it since the 50s, let's say, what have they been doing with it all this time? And I think that because not a lot of people like to talk about what Dr. Stephen Greer talks about openly. Because there's such wild claims,

but many of them are in the document. documentary that Jesse Michaels put out. And I don't know, Jesse did start with that disclaimer at the beginning where he was like, I'm very happy right now. I'm the happiest I've ever been. I don't want to hurt myself. That's crazy. He knows what kind of stuff he's putting out, you know? That made that sent a chill down my back when he said it at the very beginning because of the implications. And it's like, and you said it, Pavel, it's like this, I am. of sound mind and body very happy don't want to harm myself because of the those implications that you know he's stumbling on to some very it's black ops CIA you know deep stuff here well especially this towns and brown I mean like these this is when you look at everything that he puts together on this and and what's crazy about this like it's the same thing the the broken record here like this is the Rightfully so, I think the documentary right now is like 220,000 views.

The thing should have 2.5 million. People should be watching this. I'll put a link in the description so you guys can check it out and watch it itself. But same thing. No one's covering it. And that goes, we'll take a break from the doc for a second to kind of get into that point I just made a little while ago. As we were talking to Steve Bassett, who was very adamant that there is a lot of coverage. And we pushed back.

You know, there's a lot of coverage in print. There's not a lot of coverage in mainstream stuff. He brought up News Nation and the Hill and all that. Where they've been? Where they've been? Like, isn't it? Pavel, what happened to them? They were putting out videos every day or something.

And then not one video on the Seoul Conference. Not one. That was crazy. Where'd they go? They did a segment this past week. Did they? Okay. Coldheart and with Corbell.

They were talking about documents that are going to be released by the government, not the ones that hurt national security. Coulhart was very clear on that. But yeah, you're right. They haven't been as active as they were. I think the reason for that is because, you know, something I think is coming soon. They might put out something really big soon. So they want to keep it quiet for a little bit.

That to me is silly, keeping it. quiet. I understand doing like the whole I understand doing you know build up to your special and all that stuff that you're doing but like if you go I'm talking about their clips alone the stuff that they cover that every other

news channel covers does okay the stuff they cover on on UAP it does extraordinarily well like when you look at their their videos that they do it does they were repurposing videos and it does it's really weird that they disappeared off the face of the earth

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Now, Pavel, we'll throw you here, man. Like, what are you? There's an hour and 40 minutes of this thing. What stood out? What blew your mind? What do you think that the public should be talking about, that the regular peep should go, oh, really? They said that?

Yeah, well, in general, I think the whole story of Downson Brown needs to be looked at more thoroughly, I think. I was happy to see Nick Cook appear on that on the show. I specifically didn't talk about a lot of the anti-gravity stuff because it's not the... You mean on your interview? You mean on your interview? Yeah, on my interview. It's not the only talk we're going to have. I think he wants to speak to me again,

and he also wants to speak to on the channel, on the show. Yeah, his kids are fans, right? Yeah. That's amazing. He told me that his kids gave him credit for her appearing on the big thing. I love that. I love it. Yeah, Nick Cook is featured a lot in the Jesse Michael's documentary

and the stuff that he'd be fascinating to talk about. I would love to actually talk with him about a lot of this stuff and to get more of his thoughts on the Townsend Brown element of it all. But so, you know, as I'm always fascinated by the time travel aspect of it, right? Like, and I didn't, so I will say this, I didn't get to that part yet. I was prepping for the show, and I guess it's like the last part of the thing. So, so Riley, what is it exactly that they talk about with time travel? Well, I mean, it's, you know, Pavelle, you could probably answer better than I can,

but it goes into the idea that, you know, yeah, that it's something that they say, am I right in saying this, Bevel, that they say it's something that they've cracked and that they've essentially have figured out, which I'm like, okay, I don't know about this. This is where I get, this is where I pull back, pump the brakes, but it makes me think. Yeah, who's saying this? It makes me go, okay, this is where I go, technology, physics, this math will all lead to the answers of the universe. That it's just like all up there in the sky. What we're seeing is just the advancement of things, the advancement of using like science-based data

to get to these technological breakthroughs. And that possibly, if I'm reading this again, Pavel, I want your take on this, the idea that what we're seeing in the sky could be essentially us time traveling back and what they say is that time travel is essentially becoming another dimension. And so interdimensional, which we've talked about many times on the show.

And that's not a theory that's new. I've actually heard Jesse Michaels bring that up in another interview before that someone else said, and that's been a belief from a lot of people that think that that's what these things could be, us from a different time, different dimension, kind of. But what is it particular, Pavell, if you can elaborate a little bit,

that they cover about the, and who, and who says, that we cracked it. Like where did that come from? Well, they don't say that we cracked it per se, but they do allude to it. Three things. One is when Nick Cook went

to Germany to study and investigate for his book at the home for zero point. They talk about DiGlaca which is the bell, the Nazi bell. Yeah. Which is like a legendary artifact that he wanted to investigate

that allegedly it had anti-gravity propulsion powers and it manipulated time within like a space where they made it work, but they made it on. And that's where, that's one part of the time travel stuff that Jesse Michaels talks about.

The other part, which was like a curbel to me because I wasn't expecting Jesse to reveal a name he revealed near the end of the documentary. I've been reading the book, book American Cosmic. I already finished it actually from Dr. Diana Posulka. And she talks about, she mentions two people in her book. Yeah. Who pseudonyms. One was James, which was eventually known to be Dr. Gary Nolan.

And the other one was Tyler, whose name came from the Fight Club movie, Tyler Durd. Yeah, yeah. And she was very adamant to protect his identity. But in the internet, you know, his name became public almost immediately, but nobody there to say it on either a movie or a podcast. There were only just one people before Jesse who said it out loud. And that was experiencer Chris Bledsoe, who is like a known experiencer. He basically calls on UFOs and they appear in front of them. He films them. It's really weird.

and he talks about Timothy Taylor who is a NASA scientist who is part of the space program he's part of Space Force and Dr. Posulka is on record saying well he she tweeted once that Tyler D

was Elon Musk's handler at SpaceX who is from NASA and it's the same guy but he appears on everywhere like I've been looking seeing his name everywhere for Tim Taylor.

Tim Taylor's name. Yeah. All right. And that's, and that is who Pavakas said that she was, well, that's who, yeah, she was with, and she had mentioned a story on,

on the Rogan podcast when she was on as well. So this is, I want to play real quick. This is this, this interview piece that mentions Tim Taylor, and it is, it's Bledsoe talking about him. Here's, here's this clip.

Because when they come here, they're not coming to tell me anything. They're coming to, the phenomenon that's a big difference they know it's here they know it's around me they know I'm connected to it it's like NASA it's in the book right away when they came to my house they flew they took me down to the to the most secured facilities on earth machine guns pointing at you as I walked in these doors had to have a security clearance to get in there and I asked them I said

why you worried about me what what good in my to you guys. You've got the biggest telescopes. You've got the best cameras on Earth. You've got all the money in the world. You've got space rockets and space stations. Why do you care

about me, some little country guy from North Carolina? And Tim Taylor is who I asked that to. He looks at me. He said, Chris, we know it's there. We see it. But it has absolutely

nothing to do with us, none, but we know it likes you for some reason, and we'd just like to be a part of that. We'd like to study it. And he told me then, he said, don't ever go to any conferences, not for now, stay away from others that experience things, don't listen to it, because we'd like your experience to be yours. So when you tend to go to these places, people are left with these what happened to me and suddenly you're beginning to believe what happened to them happened to you and then

all of a sudden it's a Pleiadian or a Galacta Federation or something that becomes your story. So I've stayed away from others intentionally for all these years, not going to these things. So

my experience is mine and that's where it all started. And it It passed around through the agencies and different people from different three-letter agencies or four came here and still come here. And they surrounded their wagons around because they can study it here. That's a crazy clip in general. There's a weird confluence of things happening in my own experience with talking people. I thought of your buddy when I heard this clip.

So there's a weird thing going on. Coincidence is a real thing. Coincidence or serendipity or whatever you want to call it. One, my good buddy, Eric Bass, of Shinedown, I worked with him at GPA and whatnot. We caught up. He brought up Chris Bledso. He brought up the, you know, what happens to Chris. And I explained my own experience because something shifted in the, you know, what happens to Chris.

because something shifted in that conversation. And the idea that what I saw is something similar to what Chris has seen. And essentially the floating orbs, right? So then, Kai Blackwood, my buddy, who I've mentioned numerous times, I was with him when I saw this. and he is believes he has been picked or that these things all uh just like chris uh like him yeah you know and so all of a sudden when i'm talking to eric um eric and his buddy john do spear talk podcast they would love to join us one day because of the they believe in this stuff as well um that story gets me going wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute because of the experience of the

experience, what I've seen, what Chris is kind of matching up. And then I'm walking out with my wife the other day having a walk. And I'm, like, looking in the sky like I'm doing lately, a lot more lately. She goes, what are you doing? I go, looking for UAPs. And she's like, oh, my God. And I brought up Kai Blackwood again. And I said, oh, yeah, Kai and I, and I told the story about what I saw in Michigan.

And not 10 minutes later, Kai text me. Why? I don't know. Just, I go, your ears burning, dude? And he goes, maybe. I don't know. I just thought I would text you and say hi. And I'm like, okay.

And I said, yeah, I've been talking. I'm on UAP Tuesday. It's on the big thing. And I'm talking about this stuff. And I brought you up a number of times. And he, and I said, would you want to come on? He said, yes, I would love to come on and tell you the story of this. And we started talking about Chris.

And that's so it's interesting. Oh, you brought up so also with him. It's just insane that this is like this stuff all just came. I saw your head start moving around when that clip was on. It all just, it's like, why am I all of a sudden in the past three days talking about this very story that you pulled out of nowhere. I don't know. But Pavel, I want to hear your thoughts, man, on this Bledso stuff. First of all,

for people who don't know about Chris Bledso that are listening to the show, because I also don't want to, this is one of the things that I want to make sure of when I tell people that our show is not we assume you know everybody, because I don't know half these people. I don't know. I mean, I've learned Chris

Bledso's name recently and saw a couple of his interviews, but he's very highly respected in the community. He's very much believed for the story. that he's told and I should say the experiences that he's had. But what can you, before you go into the clip itself, what can you tell us a little bit about Bledsoe? Well, he, he's the most believable UFO experiencer out there.

That's first. He has a book called The UFO of God, where he talks about his experience and how it's affected his family over 20 years or so. I think that he's, well, something angers me, though, about this whole topic because we talk about nuts and bolts, we talk about the craft, we talk about a lot of stuff, what's happening on the hill. But the experiencers are very much ignored in this whole conversation. And it always happens. And I think it's partly because a lot of us get weirded out when we start hearing the stories about abduction.

and people who can invoke UFOs like Chris Bledso can, because that's essentially what he can do. He thinks about them and they come to him and he films them. And that's real. And I saw Danny Jones, who is really skeptical with his guests on the Danny Jones podcast. He went on a weekend with Chris and he experienced this. And he was like, how the hell did it happen? I don't know, but it's real.

I mean, it's happening. There's a lot of people out there who can do this, man. Well, you look at it, but so, all right, a few things there. Let's let, because I... A lot to unpack here. Yes, but I want to bring out the first thing, because I know someone in the comment section, because I would be asking this. If I was in the comment section right now, and I heard Pervel just say that,

the first thing I would say is this, and I'm sure someone is about to. Okay. So if this guy can summon UFOs and take video of them, Well, then why doesn't he summon one get clear footage of it and submit it and say, look at what I found? Right. So what's the answer to that one, Phil? To me, I mean, Dave asked him that, and he says he thinks they don't like to be filmed. Yeah, but that's an easy answer, isn't it?

Yeah. Well, that's the only answer he's getting. I don't know what's going on, to be honest. I don't think it's a fair question, you know, to be honest with you. I mean, it isn't, it isn't. I mean, it's just that you're going to be, that's the whole point. I think that we're, I don't know where he stands as far as the disclosure element of it all, but it is interesting, the one thing that I will say, because what someone will also say when they hear that is,

okay, well, this guy says, okay, well, that's convenient that they don't want to, they don't want to be recorded. That's what someone will say. But then the pushback that I would give on, on that is, well, why is NASA visiting this guy? Why have these other agencies visiting this guy? And why does he bring up a guy like Tim Taylor that? says this. And why would you make up this story that Tim Taylor tells them, look, we don't, we don't get why they're interested in you. We just know that they don't care about us and they care about you. Yeah. We know that. And that was when I thought of this story that Riley has said

many times on the show about Kai. Like many times, you said, like for some reason, it feels like when Kai is around, these things are, are there. And it's able, and so when I thought, when I heard him say that, I immediately thought of those stories. And I was like, is there something to that? I don't know. He's, Kai has had numerous experiences. He has believed that he has been abducted. And I have continued to be like, you know, he believes that he believe, you know, I can't say anything. It's not my experience.

But he is so credible in the way he describes it. And then, again, the idea that, you know, I was talking to Eric. Eric told me about Bledsoe and the Danny Jones podcast and the story there that you just mentioned, Pavel. that was all like happening and then like I get this weird text out of left field from Kai when I'm just making a joke to my wife about looking up in the sky and I'll tell you this my experience um I'm in that moment when it happened and I'm walking with Kai in the middle of the Michigan woods and it's dark and it's this and it's that and we see this glowing orb moving across the sky and it stops right in front of us Kai literally looked at me and goes, here we go again. Like, this is second, second nature doing it. Like, this is a old hat. Okay, here we go again.

We were holding cameras, filming equipment, because we were making a movie. We're holding the damn camera that can get this. Do you know how insane it felt to know that later? I know. It's the experience of, and I'm just trying to make a point here that maybe that's why. I mean, Bledso is a different kind of beast altogether in this, but we didn't at one point think to turn in it on. We were too like, oh, this is happening. I don't know.

I don't know. I was I was barbecuing, and I've shown the video on the before in this. I don't know what this thing was. This red thing comes flying across the sky. It could have very well, as you all say, been a balloon or something else to, whatever was. You know, I did? I filmed that mother. I think it would be a, yeah.

I think it would be a lot different. now if I was in that experience, if I was there knowing that I'm on a show every week. Right. That's probably one of the reasons I did it too. Because I have, I have, I have, Prevelle, did you that one, the red one? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know what that. Yeah, you did. I don't know what that was. I've seen two things. So the one thing in front of my house that I definitely thought was something, because the way that thing was moving. And then the red thing was, I still don't know what it was. Yeah. Who knows? I don't know. But what I will say, all these stories and everything that's combined within the stuff with Tim Taylor,

or the stuff with the stuff that we're learning about Townsend Brown. Like, this is all, like, fascinating stuff. This is, like, fascinating stuff all the way through because this is more... And so inside of this documentary that Jesse Michael shows, it's about an hour and 40 minutes long, it's well worth it, because it's not just about Townsend Brown. I mean, the through line is essentially about him, right? But it really is very cleverly connected to the phenomenon in general of, like,

there's many mentions, as Pavel mentioned, Nick Cook is in there. David Grush, like Burchett, like tons of people inside of this that show there's more to this, right? And you get people like Michael's, you get people like Corbel.

You know what I... One of the things that stood out to me, by the way, I didn't realize because... And Jesse Michael said that Corbell found that John Lear was not credible and that he couldn't tie his own show. or something along those lines.

Did you guys, has that been out there that John Lear was, because that was the first time I always took John Lear as credible, but like apparently, apparently he was just kind of an opportunist and was trying to, from what they paint in this picture. And he and his dad had a falling out, and he just wanted to make sure that his dad's business was intact, and that's why he was doing this. And again, that's the way that the documentary kind of was painting it.

But I don't know. What did you think about that, Pavel? Uh, near the end of his life, he did sound pretty rambling to a lot of people that those are the reports, uh, from people who knew him. Yeah. But I know that Carbell has said he has countless hours of interviews with John Lear. And he says that, uh, basically they documented everything he knew in those interviews, but he hasn't published them yet or anything. It's weird. Yeah.

Yeah, it's really weird. It's weird. I wonder where, because they all have, and Michael says inside of it, he's got, he's got respect for both Corbell and Nap, but who knows what Lear was telling Nap was true or not true. But that was just one portion of it. That was just one portion of it. I was really, really kind of blown away by a lot of this stuff that they brought in, even with how the World War II and how it was that Townsend was like recruiting people to come over and work. And then there was like, there was, they were like the Nazi scientists that were working on. This we know is factual, by the way, that there were Nazi scientists working for the Nazis while the height of the war that then came to work for the United States.

Yeah, that's fact. That's fact. We know that. Now, what the hell? It's called Operation Paperclip it's called. Right, right. Now, that's fact. I mean, even did that freaking that show, The Hunters.

Remember that show that with the, you know, based up that comic. But we know that. Now, what the hell they were working on? Who knows? Because now you look at, like, for those people who are consistently on this channel and every time we post a video, hitting it funny that the United States is the only ones

who ever reports UFOs? Wrong. I don't know where that comes from. I don't, I mean, it's all over. What it is? We have a news article that. I know where it comes from. What people don't realize,

guess what? Unless you got a VPN, you ain't tuning in to the German news. news. You're not tuning in to, you know, Mexico's news. You're not tuning in to Italy and Russia's news. You're tuning into your own news. Yeah, but you're sending me documentaries to watch, and we're getting interviews of people from Brazil, from Mexico, from Japan, all these different places. And those are, those are documentaries that are like, your bread and butter if you're watching this show. You know what I mean? So, I don't know. That's, who cares? It's a silly comment.

It's a silly comment. I think that it's all over. It's a phenomenon that's very true. It's, you know, we have a news article here that you sent us sent out this morning about, you know, the Brazil, you know, that crash that, you know. Virginia. We're going to talk about that with James Fox. So, you know, that just makes me go, okay. So it is all over.

It is a phenomenon that is very well shared. Well documented. Well documented. So it's a crazy, it's crazy, though, all the different. You were talking there. you were going to Pavel, all these different experiences, you know, and why didn't you film it and all this? And it's like, my God, then I started second guessing myself, did we have the camera? I thought it did.

You know what I mean? I think, and that's the point. I think that everybody has their experience or has a different experience, and it's going to change through the telephone game because you're going to remember certain things. I mean, Kai and I just had a text exchange, and I was talking about, not just now, but this yesterday. and about the Michigan experience I had, where I saw this thing that I've said many times here, and we had different recollections of it. And I think that that's a very normal thing to happen

because you're experiencing something that is just outlandish, but the story is correct. I mean, it's all the same start of it, the same, you know, what we saw, the kind of the area we were in. I just remember it going, you know, flying off. He remembers it kind of faded. off. And so it's, it's, it's interesting. We'll, we'll, we'll talk to get them on.

All right. Before we move to another topic, I want to ask Pavel real quick. Pavel, is there anything, I mean, again, there's only so much we can cover in the amount of time that we have with the, with this documentary with Townsend Brown. But is there anything that we shouldn't ignore right now that we should make sure that we don't forget, that the audience should know, or do you think we covered the, the hotspots? Well, mainly yes, but do look into the Tim Taylor stuff. And you go on Twitter and you look for his name and next to them, just write NASA next to it. You'll see a lot of crazy stuff about him.

He's at the center of a lot of this stuff. So it's nice that his name is already out in an official way. And the other thing is about the time travel stuff. There's this Dr. Michael P. Masters who has the extrater tempestrial model. It's a book about one of the theories which delves into that we are, those things are future humans. Exactly. And he appeared on another dog of Jesse Michaels. Yeah, that's the one that I had seen.

And they were in the diner, right? Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's Dr. Masters. Yeah. And he, I'm actually probably going to talk to him during the week. Oh, okay. Like in private, I'm not going to interview him.

because we want to get to know each other a little bit and see how it goes. You should do the interview. Bring him on this show. We'll do it together. Yeah. The thing is that I think that the audience needs to get more used to this idea of the future human hypothesis because he takes it really seriously. And I think that he needs to be respected for the way he sees it. And maybe it's like a topic for a little later. Yeah. Well, what's, what about this conversation about, you know, the one quote that was that I read, and I know granted it was from a little while ago before the heat really started coming on the last year

that they don't think that disclosure is ever coming. They don't think that people are ever going to talk about this and that the government will never let it out or these people will never let it out because they don't think people can handle it. They don't want to let the technology. They don't let out. All this stuff. Are we wishful thinking on this guys? Because like you look at what I was talking to,

when we talked to Bassett, you know, last week when we heard the he gave us a high, high percentage of 75% that he's, he thinks 75% that we're going to get disclosure this year with the president, whoever the president may be, disclosing that you know, a lot of this stuff.

And then there was a lot of pushback in the comments and people said, look, Bassett said this before. Bassett says, Vasid wants disclosure. Bassett wants some, and he's, look, we can tell you, we sat down with him. He's very passionate about it and he wants a lot of this to go down. And he's very good at the way that he proposes his points and says like, look, this is what Schumer could do.

This is it. And it's like, but I just see, when you look at something like what Mike Turner did, I just feel like that's happening. every corner, and if people like Lockheed Martin, and if they're so good at keeping it quiet and finding a way to say, no, no, no, nobody's ready yet, and we're not giving up our secrets, and they've been playing this game for so long.

What's different now? Pavel, because you've been an advocate, you think it's going to, you think that this disclosure stuff's going to happen. Like one thing when it came to Seoul, the Soul Foundation, well, one thing they didn't address in those videos, because the biggest point in all of those videos that came out, they were shot in November, but it came out, you know, three weeks ago, two weeks ago, whenever it was,

that, oh, they all mentioned how important the Schumer and Rounds bill was going to be about moving to the next level. Well, guess what? That thing got gutted, and no one, and none of them have mentioned that. At least they did, I didn't see it. But no one has mentioned the fact that, well, what do you do now? Because that's, in the presentation, they're talking about how important it is that it It's passed the way that it did.

So how set back are they, do you think, in your opinion? I am not as optimistic as Steve Bassett, though, because I do want disclosure. You're right on that. But I don't think it's got it's, first of all, I don't think it's a one thing event. And I think it's been happening since 2017, but like sporadically. Yeah. What people want, I think, are the four KVD. of the evidence.

Yes. That would crack it. But I don't think it's coming from the government. I think they want to slow play it. And under their terms, which is, I don't think it's the best way to go about it. Right. What about Mavericks like? You can say, German Corbell is a Maverick.

You can call him that. You look at the jellyfish stuff and those stuff. What about guys like him? What about guys that are out there? What about when they did that Daily Mail, talking about the CIA program. You know, like, are we going to see more Mavericks? Are we going to see more people like that? I mean, speaking of the Maverick, Logan Paul, for those people who follow wrestling, he's got that video. Like, what happens? Does, does, is that where you're talking about? You

think that somebody like that is going to really kind of crack it open? I don't think revealing Tim Taylor's name was a coincidence. I'll just leave it at that. Okay. Wow. Okay. Interesting. All right. Well, what do you guys think? There's so much in there, man. There's so much in there. I mean, they're done yet. We've got a lot more to talk about, but that's all the stuff that we just covered from that doc. There was tons of stuff in there. I would, if you're interested, go watch it.

If you're interested in this stuff and you watch this show every Tuesday, man, you should be watching that. You should have watched that first and then come watch this, because I want to get all your theories. I want to get all your comments. And that's the other thing that I ask you each and every week, especially if you're not already subscribed to do that. But while you're here, please put the conversation,

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All right. This next one, now Skyfire News has been posting. This is a good account to follow on X because they do a lot of different things that are coming out and all the things. And they cover all sides of it. So this is one UFO seen in the background of Space X video doing strange maneuver. Now check this out. You'll set 10B separation confirmed. Yeah, what's that?

Let's see the spacecraft built by Talas Linnaeus space. It's like broke off. Against the blackness of space there. Seems like. Look at those. Look at those. Between Madagascar and the eastern coast of Africa. There's another one over there.

Zipping. More than 1,300 kilometers. That one is this. That one is this. That was moving around in a circle. What is that? What is that? There's a bunch of them.

types of users in a swath of the Earth from the North Atlantic to the Middle East. You'll set 10B will be extended. Now, why isn't he saying what the hell is that? Later on and beginning maneuvers with its plasma thrusters, its all-electric propulsion system to reshape its orbit. Yeah, look at that one. Liptical super secretous transfer orbit. All right.

Is that George Clooney from gravity just finally coming back? And I'm sure Mick West had 7,000 reasons why it was nothing. Yeah, satellites. Oh, they're balloons. Someone said, I used to believe in it, but then I heard McWest. McWest, that's his job is to say, like, no matter, an alien could come down and have a conversation with him, and he could say, ah, I was a kid in a mask. Yeah. So I don't really take, I mean, it's in the same way that I don't take someone serious that's just like, you know, oh, look at my light.

That's an alien. Look at my light. It's an alien. I can't take that guy serious. I can't take that like, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, what was that? Yeah. What was that?

What was that? That was, yeah, that was crazy. So, Prevelle, what do you, do you, you see that? What, so I know you had an interesting question now before we showed that footage. What did you, what do you want to bring up there with SpaceX? Well, Tim Taylor again, funny enough, because Pazolka said she was, he was Elon Musk's handler, who is from Space Force. And I think it's really suspicious that Elon Musk, the times they ask him about it, he's like, if aliens exist, they're very conspicuous. And I'd know because I should know.

But what he doesn't tell you is that he has contracts with pretty much every government in the world. And he needs to play ball with NASA and with Space Force in order to get his toys. So he's compromised, essentially. He can't say anything about it. So when this comes out, because they've been coming out constantly, this is only the latest. SpaceX and Elon Musk are suspiciously quiet about it all the time. This one drives me crazy, though, too, when I see this, though,

it's the same thing where, like, you have, because I sent you guys the balloon thing that was flying around the other day. And then, because I said it, Pavel, and I was like, well, the only thing is that it's been already, it's been confirmed that it's not UAP. It's like, yeah, I know. But the point is, everyone covered it. Right.

Everyone covered that. I was watching Lester Holt. And it's one of the top stories. Why? Because it was a balloon. Right. Because it was an actual balloon. It was a balloon and could be a spy of China again and national implications.

How is this not covered? How is this not covered? And I'm not telling you to say, like, hey, we saw a bunch of alien ships flying around. No, of course not. but in the same way that we did footage from SpaceX came out today of all these dots and people want to know what is it

so we have someone one of our reporters who's going to ask a question to someone who might have an answer and the answer is oh do it is okay well we didn't know what it was but now that you gave us the answer thanks and you move on but it's not even covered that is to me where a lot of different shows have like their thing that they cover

and it's like, oh yeah, well, if you watch so-and-so, they really want to know about, you know, the remote viewing or if you really want to tell you. Our thing, when you talk about our show, we want to know why the major TV networks are not covering this stuff. And I'm not telling you as far as confirmation goes. I'm not telling you that.

I'm telling you as far as Chuck Schumer still at this day. I don't care what you think about Chuck Schumer. But this is the guy who is the Senate Majority Leader who was in front of the freaking the government telling people that they wanted disclosure or more so find out

if there was information that they were able to start the process to let the public know and it was shot down but it wasn't covered by anybody and as Bessid said well that's not true they covered it on print sure but nobody

if you talk to your friends people who don't watch this show who know nothing about it and they follow politics, they don't know about this. I've talked to my friends who know about politics, and they don't know about this. They don't know about this story. This is stupid. Yeah, why are we having to be on Twitter of all things to see this thing? Yeah, I mean, look, this is why you, but this is why companies like, whether it's Skyfire

and others will benefit, because this is where I will go. I used to go to News Nation to get, like, the stories. They're not covering it anymore. So, I mean, News Nation will, I guess, because they have a deal with a Ross Colhart now when Colhart's exclusives come out, but they were covering it all the time. Yeah. But I go to places like this. I go to places, Twitter accounts like Michael Angelo and guys like that. So, I don't know.

This is, I mean, this video is, I mean, literally sat there. We sat here doing the show. Yeah. Reacting to this thing because I saw it with my own two eyes. And this is what I think is such a major part of. the stigma out there that needs to be broken down. It's like, show this video on the Channel 7 news at 3 o'clock today. I always turn to the news on Channel 7 when I'm working at home because I like the local news.

That's just, I know it starts at 3 right after General Hospital. I know that. And I put it on. And why couldn't they cover this? And get it out there and have people going, you know, decide for yourself. It's true. Well, that's all it is. Decide for yourself.

Rather than having to go on X or Twitter or whatever the hell you're calling it today, that's fine. But that is really, that's evidence. Don't know what it is, not saying it's Little Green Men from Mars. Right. But I'm saying there's something that is there. And maybe there is it a reason for it. Maybe there's a really good explanation, you know. But, um, I have, anything else there out of that one that you want to talk about?

I think that media is changing, though. And I mean, people, places like this, the big thing, or, you know, Rogan is responsible for a lot of this. Yeah, he is. Yeah. So I think that if people keep moving on to these alternative media, such as podcast or online news, I think the word is going to spread around to a lot of people a little slower than the legacy media. Yeah. But that's basically the only way we're going to get.

more people involved because they don't want to play ball. I mean, they're out. Right. They're bought and paid for us. I know. I mean, I love Bassett's explanation for all that, too, by the way. For real, I thought he had a really good explanation of how that worked with legacy media.

Okay, the other thing I wanted to bring up, there's two last things. All right. So Jamie Moussan is in the news again. And so if you didn't know Jamie, he was the one who brought the bodies out during the Mexican hearings. Yeah. And he's, he has been, he's been involved in the community for a long time, controversial figure.

He tweeted out, and this is again from Skyfire News. I want to make sure that I have their tag in there. All right, this is again from Skyfire News, who puts out that Jamie Muson wants to discuss UFOs with Lou Elizando on Mexican television. To which Jamie said, hi, Lou, I would like to interview you for Mexican television. I consider that you are the person who has changed and is now going to monumentally change the history of the United States in the coming weeks in your Congress. All right. So now, Pavel, someone who, you know Jamie pretty well or well enough that you've interviewed him and you guys are in contact. You think he's going to have any luck here? No.

That's going to say. I'm sorry, but it's not because he doesn't deserve to get that interview, but I think they were mostly silent about showing the bodies with great. Graves. Yeah. In Graves is really good friends with Lou. And that didn't go over too well. Yeah. You know?

So I think that took credibility from Mauson. If that hadn't happened, I think he would already have interviewed him. Yeah. But that was a problem. And don't get me wrong, man. I'm going to be honest with you here because I've been talking to him and his team for a while now. and they have an open legal procedure in terms of the bodies against the Ministry of Culture in Peru. Okay.

And they're going forward with it. And they're claiming, I mean, it's all legal now. But I think. What does that mean? What does that mean that mean a little bit? That was a little bit confused by that. So you mean that there's a lawsuit that's coming. Are there suing or who's suing who?

Mausanne is suing the Ministry of Culture of Peru for, what, what's it called? Defamation. Okay. Defamation to character. Okay. Yeah. All right.

So, yeah, they're going through with it. Okay. They're basically saying, We have, we have the proof. We have the scientific evidence. We have everything. And they're putting it out legally. So they can get the last word.

So they're doubling down on this, on these bodies. And also there are a lot of scientific groups from different, universities around the world that have already studied the bodies and the results favor months on. Really? Yeah. Because the TMZ, the TMZ doc, you know, goes into the idea that Graves is there at the hearings and was, you know, that's because of the stigma.

Right. But Graves, just going off of what Graves said, he's like that I was there to talk about a thing. The alien bodies come in and I was kind of, you know, embarrassed or just being like now it's becoming somewhat of a circus. And then there was a doctor on there that was basically debunking these bodies, saying that they were something else. So, Pavel, now what you were saying, it's different. He was part of the Ministry of Peru, Ministry of Culture, that doctor. Oh, okay. And he didn't show any bodies. He showed some other dolls that were constructed

specifically for that hearing. I'm not saying, to be clear, I'm not saying that I believe those body surreal. I'm just stating the facts. Yeah. Yeah. No, San has a legal procedure open and he claims to have all the proof that say that the bodies are real. And he's going to and he's gone forward with it. Yeah, but I'm going to be honest with you. If even if they were real, I think talking about bodies is not, it's not time for that. Yeah. To be honest with you. Yeah. We first got to get this stuff about the UFOs and the UAP to a lot.

as many people as possible and see what is going on. Because today with the documentary, there was proof that it may be our tech, too. That's what I got out of it. It looked like there was a lot of headway that was made because of the anti-gravity stuff that we just are not talking about or no one's talking about. But all right, so that's that's that. And then there's this one, I thought what's interesting also. Are we going to get these field hearings?

Okay, so this is Moskowitz talking about the field hearings. Let's play this. Hey, how are you, Congressman, Moskis? Yeah. Excuse me. Just told that you had good thoughts on where to maybe hold the next UAP. Well, we did get some locations in the classified briefing that are fascinating. So there's talk about maybe going to some of those places, but, you know, very unknown at the moment.

It's early. Early. What are the big questions you have? lingering. Do you think we'll be able to find answers for those in the next public hearing? Well, I think the claims that perhaps the IG found some validity

in Russia's claims. Those are the ones I want to fall up. I've got to go hit the plane. Yes, sir. All right, so was that Matt Laslo did that interview? Yes, that was him. So Laslo did that. He does some pretty good stuff, too, on the floor there and getting that information.

So what do you, Pavelle, you before we started filming, you wanted to make it clear about what people should know about the difference between like the hearings that were last year, last summer with Grush and Graves. And what's the difference between this and a field hearing? The field hearing is where representatives go to specific locations where stuff may be concealed or put there. and they have like a warrant

to demand to see the stuff and to see documents. They attempted to do this with Matt Gates at Wright Patterson's Air Force Field and they were denied by the general who was right there. But now,

after the legislation passed and all that, the idea is that Luna, I don't know if Burchett and Moskowitz, they are going to pick from one of the most talked about places, which is Wright Patterson's, Area 51, you name it, like Colorado Springs.

And the idea is to go there and ask for documentation and ask to see any material evidence. So it's great. Sure. But I think, like, are they gonna know in, you know, beforehand that they're coming? Because like, if so, it's like, hey, we need to move stuff. if that's the case.

I think it's already been moved. Right. That's what I'm saying. Right. Right. So, I mean, that that's, hey, we're coming in here. We're going to be, we're going to, we'll meet you guys in a month at that space. A month?

Can you make it a month in four days? And then it's like. One thing, though, I think that they also know this before they get there. They do. Yeah, sure. Or they want to, they want to try to get them in the act. If they find any evidence or clues that something was. moved or burned or destroyed, that's what they're after.

Not precisely the... I'm going to quote George Knapp, and I quote him often with this. They are better at their job than we are at ours. Yes, exactly. It's one of my favorite quotes, and it is so true. You can try to catch them in the act in the same way that everybody else has been trying to catch them in the act for 80 years. It's like, what do you...

I don't know. I like the idea that they've got field hearings, but you know what they need to do is They need to go to Colhart, who I think knows that there's that, there's that rumor that there's this building-sized, gigantic UAP that they have that's, like, buried underneath the building. Yeah. Go to that one. They can't move that one. Go to that one. There was in the documentary.

There's one in Burbank, week ago there. Yeah. I wonder how close it is the old Collider Studios. It probably is the old Collider Studios. It probably is. But either way, it's like. It just gets me, I don't know. You're pessimistic about all this, and I understand.

I don't trust people. Well, yeah, and they are better at all this. But, I mean, when I say it's good, it's because it's good that we're making these movements, and they are baby steps. And I know it becomes this, you know, this, yeah, it's frustrating. But I do believe these hearings, these field hearings that they're proposing, these are all good things because there is actual movement. Now it's at a glacial speed, it feels like. But at least that's where I go, good. At least there's that.

But yeah, that's a whole other kind of thing. They might be moving it. It's already gone. You know what I notice also as we get to, you know, Pavel, you mentioned Luna. It seems like Luna's becoming more and more believer. Because when you look, I mean, not that she wasn't in the first place, but when you, the more and more she goes down the rabbit hole,

there was a clip I saw recently where she's talking about reverse engineering and all those things that she believes. So am I correct in making that assessment? that seems like she's becoming more and more of someone who's just like really convinced that there's this otherworldy stuff. Yeah, she's even quoted saying that I got men in black. Yeah. Whatever that means.

Yeah. What does that mean? Yeah. I don't know. So there's, so that's one of the people that we're going to see at these, at these field hearings. So when these field hearings are, I, I don't know. Remains to be seen. Remains to be seen.

All right. The last one I think, yeah. I think it's going to be within the next three to four weeks. Really? We're going to get, yeah, we're going to get information on that. Are we going to get information on it, though? I mean, what if they go, what if, this is the one of the, we've talked about this before in the show, but like, what if they go and they're like, okay, look, we got Perchette, we got Lona, we got, so let's just show them the thing. You want to show them the thing?

Show them the thing. Why? Because when they see the thing, they're going to know they can't tell anyone about the thing. Really? Let's show them the thing. Sure. That's a possibility. And they show them, and they go, wait a minute, maybe you guys are wrong.

Right. Maybe people shouldn't know about this. And now I'm going to be thinking about this all the time. Oh, my gosh. Which is the fucking elephant in the room, to be honest with you. From the Long said it multiple times that there was this one debriefing he had where he didn't sleep for like two or three days thinking about what he was told. And I'm like, what were you told? How does Tom DeLong have all this access, by the way? He has a person in his family is from the intelligence community.

And that's all he was briefed that way, but isn't that against the law? Well, it depends on how much need to know that person has. I guess. All right. Well, this is the last thing that I'm so confused about. Let me read this. Apparently, there's going to be a new AARO UFO report that's coming out March 7th. Former Pentagon UFO Office Director Sean Carpatrick says that his first.

final UFO report will probably be released to the public before the state of the union on March 7. Okay. So I'm so confused because we covered, I think it was two weeks ago, that there was this article, and Pavelle and I talked about this on Twitter. I didn't know how accurate it was. But the report had said that Patrick kind of had a change of heart and that he was and that he was like, no, no, no, I was told to do this, this. But that was one report that I saw.

I never saw anybody else covering that. And I'm not talking about how I normally go. All the news networks are uncovering it. I'm talking about anybody. I'm talking about podcasts. We're uncovering it. Nobody was covering this thing. So I don't know how true that is.

I tend to believe that this is going to be another one of those. Let's see if we can just kind of push everybody over here. And, you know, people will have everybody cover this because it'll basically say, no, I didn't find anything. We looked, but we couldn't find anything. What do you think this? means. What does this mean about Shanker Patrick? Ryler, start with you. I don't know what it means. Fair. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's going, it's changing. It's going back and forth. Like, it's like, just, you know, I'll see it to believe it. I really am done speculating on this guy because it's,

it's like on one, one side he's saying this and on the other side he's saying that. It's like, all right. It's somebody getting to him. There's somebody on the other side getting, it's just, it doesn't make sense. I don't like the wishy while. I don't like the vacillating between one point and the next. So we, I don't know what it means. I really don't. We'll see. What's it mean, Pavel?

Well, this is giving me a lot of Dr. Allen Hineck vibes because Dr. Alan Hineck was, as you know, part of Project Blue Book. And he was at the bunker for the majority of the thing. He was the Mick West. Oh, that's right. But when he got out, he had a change of heart completely. He wrote books. Yep.

And I think that's still possible. I mean, he just got out, Kirkpatrick. So you think this could be a positive for the other community? I don't think we're going to see anything different on this report. Okay. But I would keep an eye out on him when he's out and what he does next. Interesting. Okay.

Very interesting indeed. I like that. All right, look, we covered so much here today. There was so much to talk about with the Jesse Michaels doc, you know, and the stuff coming out from so much. So I asked you guys in all the stuff we talked about, what stood out? What was the thing that you were like, wait a minute. As Riley said, my worldviews changing.

I'd like to thank my panel for being here today, starting with Mark Riley. Riley, where can they find you? You can find me on the internet At Riley Around R-E-I-L-L-Y-A-R-R-E-I-L-Y Around, see you there Pavel, what do you got coming up? Tell them where they can find your YouTube channel

besides the link in the description. My YouTube is Sicoactivo podcast, just like that. It's written in Spanish. And you can find me on Twitter at Pueh Barrameda. What I got coming out, I think I'm going to talk

to the director of a documentary called The Secret of Dr. Greenberg. And I'm going to talk to the director of that film. I'm going to try to do it in English with him so we can reach a wider audience. And then I'm going to try to talk again with Nick Cook and with Dr. Michael Masters. See what's up. Amazing.

Thank you once again for being with us, Pavel. As always, guys, as I said in the beginning of the show, that button right there, trying to get to 200,000. We just hit 130,000 subscribers. We're trying to do at least 131, 132 by the end of the month. And if you hit that button, you can make that happen and be part of the conversation. I look at sometimes, I look at these episodes and they'll do 200,000, 300,000 views, hit the button so you can be part of the next conversation. That's what we want to do here.

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