The Kristian Harloff Show - D23: Was it a Hit for Disney or a Bust? (Marvel, MCU, COBRA KAI INTERVIEWS)

Episode Date: September 12, 2022

D23 had Marvel, Lucasfilm presenting Star Wars, Avatar 2, a live action Snow White preview, an Inside Out 2 announcement and many many more. So was this a big hit for Disney or was it a major let down? On this episode of The Big Thing, Kristian Harloff gives his thoughts. Kristian also speaks to Mary Mouser, Sean Kanan and Josh Hurwitz, Josh Heald and Hayden Schlossberg about Season 5 of Cobra Kai. Enjoy this supersized episode! #CobraKai #D23 #Marvel #starwars Thank you to Carbon Health for sponsoring this episode. ATHLETIC GREENS: http://www.athleticgreens.com/bigthing GO TO https://mybookie.website/BigThing OR GET THE MYBOOKIE APP AND USE CODE: BIG THING AMAZON WISHLIST: https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/1KPH42T0TP0PG?ref=cm_sw_em_r_un_un_djbxgIW5ZQMMg PATREON: http://www.patreon.com/thebigthingshow SCHMOEDOWN ARCHIVE CHANNEL: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheMovieTriviaSchmoedownArchives Ask Kristian questions for next time! https://facebook.com/harloff Become a Patreon of the Schmoedown: http://patreon.com/schmoedown OTHER GREAT CONTENT: REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT368qY7sfE0nKE4c04CqGvu TV REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT1LU-t2Z9AD5UJDiWW4pS_E STAR WARS SHOW https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT0XmfpbblkF9PY7uO2qhbN6 THE BIG THING PODCAST https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT3KAwbzDsv6mdR-gwUiydQg - CM Punk Interview: https://youtu.be/R8Js8uj6GfE FOLLOW KRISTIAN + FIND HIM ON CAMEO https://cameo.com/kristianharloff https://twitter.com/kristianharloff https://facebook.com/harloff https://instagram.com/kristianharloff Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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But how was it? Was it good? Was it bad? We're talking about all that stuff. We're talking about the stuff with the stuff with the last. live action and the animation from Friday. And then we'll obviously talk about the 20th century Lucas film and Marvel panel that happened on Saturday.

I was at both of them. And I'll talk about that in great detail, obviously. But the other thing that's really exciting about today's episode was that if you were not aware, you should know now that Cobra Kai, season five, is now up on Netflix. It came out and I had an opportunity to speak to the create. haters, Josh Heald, Hayden Schlossberg, and John Hurwitz, and I have them on this episode. And the first part of it is a non-spoiler. The second part of it is spoiler.

So it'll be warning. And as you guys are watching that, be aware. I also have from Cobra Kai, Mary Mauser, who plays Samantha Laruso. She was in studio. So we'll have her on the show. And then Cobra Cuy's not done yet. Sean Canaan, aka Mike Barnes, is on the show. and his interview is pretty spoiler-heavy as well.

So, again, I'll have time codes and things of that nature in here. So you can, if you haven't watched Cobra Kai yet, scroll past it. But the creator is the first part of it is non-spoiler. Mary Mouser gives a little bit of a spoiler and Sean Cannon as well, too. So just a heads up there. So if you notice on the bottom corner here, carbon health. Now, carbon health, if you didn't know already, Carbon Health came in from when we had them for the Shmodeown Spectacular, and I really enjoyed working with them, and working with them again.

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I'm excited to get this going, man. So much. So much to talk about. D23 happened. And it was very highly anticipated, right? It was like, well, what's going to happen? There's going to be some big, big, massive announcements. There's a lot of hype that was created.

Maybe warranted or not warranted, but didn't really live up. And I say that more so about the Saturday. I don't think it's fair to say that about the Friday panel. This is because people weren't building up the Friday panel as much as they were, you know, the Saturday Marvel Lucasfilm 20th century thing, which we'll talk about for sure. That Disney panel on Friday, I think it delivered. I think it delivered pretty heavy.

And I had some cool announcements. and I think that it did what people were hoping that Marvel and Star Wars did, except nobody was hyping up that Friday panel, so when it just kind of came and went. But I think, like, there was a bunch of different projects that were announced, things I had never heard of before, things that I don't know if I was necessarily super hyped about afterwards, but it doesn't mean that I can't see the movie when it comes out

and go, wow, I remember when they announced that. And look at that. It's like one of those, I can talk about Frozen. Frozen was announced, right? And they had Adina Menzal come out and she sang that song. And it was like, that was a really good, really good song. I wonder how that movie's going to do. And then there you go.

So I'm wondering if that's the same thing where they had Ariana DeBose come out and close out the event with, I think it was, I can't remember the name of the song. The name of the movie was Wish. And I think that's going to wind up being a really big movie. actually put her singing that song on the, on the channel. I'll tell you, I'm getting, there was,

I guess they just need to coordinate sometimes with the people who were working in that room because there was a guy who was very helpful when he came in and he's like, okay, listen, anything that they show footage-wise, we sat down, is like footage-wise, trailer-wise, you guys can, can, excuse me, footage-wise and trailerized.

Laptops off, phones off, cannot be on. And we're like, everyone's like, understood for sure. It's like, but any live performances, anybody on stage, fair game. Perfect. That guy was great. I was, there was the, Steve Rogers, the musical that I was recording next day because it's a live performance. And there's seven people in front of me recording.

And this one woman who was, One of the usher just goes, put the camera down. I'm like, no, I said, you can see me in the video. I go, no, put the camera down. No, they said we can do it. What are you talking about? I said, these eight, turn around. There's eight people recording.

And then she just went away. But it's like, just coordinate. And it's hard. I know it's hard of so many people. So I don't want to break the ladies' chops, but I mean, just coordinate. Anyway. But it was a great, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, the performances were fantastic all the way around. But in D20, the, the, the Friday panel getting in there. And, um, you know, what was, it was a big announcement, I think that I, that I, that I felt was, was, um, was Amy polar coming out, announcing that inside out too was coming out.

Because people that was kind of rumored and she, and they didn't know if it was going to happen. And she comes out and she announces it. She hits the stage. and that's all she wrote. That was a big announcement. So I'm glad that that happened. And then they also said, maybe some of these were announced that I didn't know about.

I was surprised they didn't do anything at Percy Jackson at all. That was one I was surprised they didn't do it. The live action sentiment of the Disney Plus portion of it. I was surprised they didn't have anything on that. That's not what I needed. Sorry, hold on. I'm going to try to find some of these.

I have something where I'm going to do. Where is it? I want to see if I can get to the actual... There it is. Some dark horizons. Let's see some of the stuff that I have here. So they have... Yeah, they had...

Oh, I guess there's a teaser trailer for Disney's Percy Jackson series. I'm surprised they didn't have anything at all. I guess that came out today that trailer. That's probably why. I wonder why they didn't do that. Very interesting. There's so much to talk about on that Saturday panel. So let's try to get to that.

But, oh, yeah, and then I had that Barry, they had the Lion King prequel. He talked about it as Bufasa, Lion King. Barry Jenkins came out, talked about it. Where is it? It's a prequel of 2019's live action. And it was a little teaser.

I don't know what people show, but they showed a little bit of a teaser of them coming out there, showing the whole thing with Timba, what does he name, Pumba? And I don't remember their names anyway. The freaking pig and the muskra. And they came out and they, as Rafiki was telling the story,

he said, oh, we're not in this thing? He said, yeah, it was a long time ago. And I like this idea of it. And I know there's some people who don't like the Lion King remake, right? Because it's the same movie. And it is. I don't disagree with it. I liked it, though, for what they did with the technology.

But I find this one fascinating, A, because it's Barry Jenkins. B, because it's original story now, and they're going to have a lot of the, like some new music and everything, too. So I'm excited about this Moffawcote. Snow White was the other one that I thought was interesting. I think Galgadot and Rachel Ziegler is snow white,

but Galgadot is the evil queen. Pretty good. I think that's a nice, a good remake. I know there's been a ton of different snow whites, but that could be one that's pretty good. Other ones that I think are any, anything really worth talking about. They did that, I was like a Lost Planet or something with Jake Gyllenhaal. It was the other one that they talked about or something planted.

I can't know what the hell it was. I don't remember. But then, oh yeah, Little Mermaid. That was the big one. Little Mermaid. So what they did show was Harry Bailey or Haley Bailey singing the song, the full, we saw the full song. Now, I think that the look,

of it's a little, it's a little jarring. I can get used to it. The Harris definitely seemed like a wig. But her singing, holy moly, man. Holy moly, she can sing. She sang that song and put a new spin on it. And it was,

they showed the whole song, it was pretty fantastic. I've never been a massive Little Mermaid fan. And I know, bless me in general. So when it was announced, it was like, yeah, it makes sense. I'll remake all their classic stuff. But we'll see how it comes out, man. See what comes out.

But let's move to that Saturday panel. I mean, I mean, then they had disenchanted and other things too. But like I said, I think that, oh, what I will say is this. What I will say is this. They started out the convention on Friday with, you're talking about freaking Pinocchio. And it was like crickets in there when I brought that movie up. movie's not good it's just not a good movie a lot of different uh problems with it but it's just

not good it's a bummer too because i love zemeckis and tom hanks but it's a bad it's a bad movie but they did have they just start the the whole presentation with when you wish it was great performance great performance and but man it's just not a good movie and just kind of It didn't take the energy out of the room. It was just like, okay, cool. That's hopefully your projects he announced now or better than that one. And that was it.

And that was Friday. But Friday left us going, all right, well, the presentation was pretty good. And it's been like that over the course of a couple years. I remember a few times. I've said to myself, I think that the animation and the live action panel had more surprises and more announcements

than that Saturday panel that was hyped up because that panel is always hyped up to be. People are always going to say this thing, right? They're always going to say, well, and I saw the, this by a bunch of people, a bunch of people that I like. A bunch of people I don't know. But I, and I disagree with the sentiment of like, well, people are putting our, are just

expecting Marvel and Lucasfilm to do all this stuff. And no one says that they have to do this stuff. It's like, come on. It's like, you know, when it's built up this particular way and you're, and you're sitting there and you're ready for, when you have something like Marvel, uh, the, uh, Comic-Con, that comes out. and there's these big announcements that are dropped. And afterwards, when they're like, okay, well, they held back a little bit.

This is what the media, fair, the media says. Well, they held back because D23 is really where they want to put that shine on. And they really want to pump up that D23. So they want to get everybody there. And that narrative was out there for a while. I've always been under the public, over the understanding to me anyway, that if someone has expectations of a thing that I'm doing and people start building it up

and saying all this stuff, I would make a statement and say, and say, look, especially if Kevin Feige, you know, if Kevin Feige knew that all these rumors were coming out about the Fantastic Four, should have said up top, look, I'm letting people know right now, we're not announcing the Fantastic Four cast. It's not going to happen.

It's a rumor that's coming out. It's not happening. We're not doing that. And then we're like, okay, there's no expectations on it at all because it's, you know, it is a pain in the ass that the media leaks this stuff and they put it out there. But it's also a way to stop the expectations right away because D23 is Disney's big thing. And I still think that they should go all out. And they should give you not the kind of Star Wars to me on that Saturday panel, my opinion of it was,

I thought that they should have, I know why they closed with Avatar. They closed with Avatar because James Cameron is royalty, and James Cameron probably was like, I ain't closing for Marvel and Star Wars. I mean, I ain't opening for Marvel and Star Wars. I'm closing this show. And it ain't 2009 anymore. People who were more excited when they were waiting for Marvel in that room.

They were waiting for Marvel. And when they closed to the Avatar, everybody was like, okay, and it went on for a while. And I liked the stuff that I saw, the scenes that I saw for Avatar. I'm one of the few Avatar fans out there. Now, I think everybody feels like they just want to hate on that movie to hate on it. I actually really enjoy it. And I think the frame ratio for Avatar 2 is going to be tough for people to get used to.

But it was so fascinating. And the underwater stuff was incredible. But I still think they should open with it. Open with it, put the glasses on, do a half an hour, 40 minutes of it. Because it was supposed to be two hours. And I think the whole panel was like 2.30, 240. So you start with Avatar. you start with Century, then bring out Lucasfilm.

And because, again, I'm going to go in the order that I thought that it should have went in and even reviewed the stuff as it happened. Like, as I said with Avatar, I thought that the stuff looked really good. I think the story, it does feel, it did feel like I was put right back into Pandora, which is what I wanted to feel and the music was there. I wonder who's doing it now that, you know, James Horner passed away. But it still had that James Warner. They would pay an homage to him and his tone.

were there and and it looks like they're going to have to with Jake is taking care of his family now and and he doesn't want to get into the war. It's a lot of familiar themes that we'd seen the original, but there's it's just again getting back to Pandora and what's going to happen in these particular scenes more it's really about family and it's a lot of the kids are involved as well too. But personal opinion, he should have started with that. It should start with Avatar and then you move to Lucasville. Now out of the three, I thought, I thought Lucasfilm minus Indiana Jones and Willow, really. Willow looks interesting to me and I'm excited for it, but I saw, I think, you know,

we didn't see that full trailer for it at celebration, but we saw a lot of it. I still think that Willow should not have been at celebration. I think it took up time from the Star Wars stuff, and I think that D-23 was a perfect place for Willow because of it being on Disney Plus and it not being part of the Star Wars universe. And I think just because Warwick Davis is such a staple of Star Wars that that's what they did it, but I don't think Willow should have been at Star Wars Celebration. It's Star Wars Celebration, that Luke is from Celebration. So for that particular reason, and I also think it just took a little bit out of it,

because you're expecting Willow to come out. Willow is definitely, Willow looks like a really good fantasy series that they're using the technology of today to further it, and I think it looked pretty good. So I don't want to take that away from Willow because it looked really good. I just don't think that many people are as excited about it. People are curious about it, but not as excited about it, right? And then Indiana Jones stole the show, hands down. The trailer looks great.

I have, there's a back and forth, and I think Mike Kalanowski and I don't know where he is now, I don't know anything you've seen the trailer for it, but I think after Crystal Skull, he's like, ah, let's put it to rest. And I'm like, not a Mangold's doing it. Let's go if Mangold's doing it. Mangold, look at what Mangold has done,

whether it was Ford versus Ferrari or Logan or, tons of movies that this guy's done. Copland, tons of movies that he's done. that have just been great. And when he was announced to be involved, and I love Spielberg, man, but I think there's a certain thing about Spielberg sometimes with the big over the top.

I think that sometimes he blends a little bit, I don't know. It's Spielberg's stories, the more personal ones now, are the ones to me that work better than the big blockbuster ones for Spielberg. And I think Mangold is just playing at a different level right now. And I'm not taking any way from Spielberg.

It's Spielberg. And West Side Story to me was fantastic, one of his best movies. That was great. But Mangold doing this, I was excited for it. And I said the tone is going to, in my head, I said, the tone's got to be significantly different than what we saw in Crystal Skull. And from this trailer that we saw, it seems like that's exactly the case. The music pops in with John Williams at one point.

And it looked like an Indiana Jones movie. It didn't look too cheesy. There was humor in it. but it was like Indiana. I felt, as I always said when I watched Crystal Skull, I felt like Harrison Ford was just trying to do bits. Like when he falls into that Jeep in the beginning and he's just like, damn, I thought it was closer

or whatever he said and the Russians looking at all. It was like a, again, like a sketch comedy show. Not this, there's some humor in it, but it was Indiana Jones humor, the same kind of Last Crusade humor, which I thought was great. So if it hadn't been for Indiana Jones, I think that, and then I put it up on the channel,

I got Harrison Ford given a very emotional speech about doing this movie and how much, how impassioned he was talking about it. Had it not been for the Indiana Jones portion of it, I think the Lucasville portion would have been an absolute bust because the Star Wars stuff was, if you had been at celebration, if you're at D23 and you didn't know anything about celebration,

then no, but for media purposes and newswise, it's all stuff that we had heard about. There was nothing new. Even the Mandalorian thing that they released. John Feverely, this is the first trailer that anyone's seeing. It's like it was essentially the same trailer, just a little edited, maybe a couple different images, but for the most part, the same trailer that we saw at Celebration,

for the most part. There was nothing really new. Asoka, they didn't reveal any cast at all. And they just revealed, they just leaked the, someone just leaked the, or reported on as the new Ezra, being cast, as Reiger was cast, and they didn't announce that, they didn't announce throng, they didn't announce anything about that.

They didn't even show the teaser trailer. They didn't even show the teaser trailer that they showed a celebration. They showed nothing, just moved away from it. Then they brought it, then they talked about skeleton crew. They brought John Watts out and the other producer who's involved in it, and they, oh, we don't really have any shit show, because we haven't started filming yet, but here's Jude Law. Talk about it.

Then we got John Watts involved. Skeleton crew. We knew about skeleton crew. We heard about it already. So there was nothing. And we knew about Jude Law. Nothing. And the Acolyte has just been ignored.

I don't know what the hell's going on with the Acklechle. That's like my most anticipated series is leaks or reports coming out about cast members. They didn't even mention it. They didn't even mention the Akelet at all. They didn't even say we got another show coming out called The Acolyte that they were working on right now. Nothing. It was the second time that they've ignored the acolyte. They ignored it at celebration, and they ignored it again at D23.

I was what the hell's going on? I knew that the movies weren't going to be announced at all. I mean, that was a very outside chance that they were going to talk about Tyca's movie, or they didn't even mention the movies at all. No, the bad batch, the smart announcement was that Bad Batch is coming out in January. they moved it, thank God. That would have been silly for them to stomp on it with Andor. Oh, Andor, they opened with Andor,

which was understandable considering it's coming out in like two weeks. So when they opened with that, it was like that makes sense. And they showed a couple things. And I think everybody's hyped up for Andor. And they had Diego Luna come out and talk about it and everything. And again, it was Andor and Mandalorian, which was the heavy cast stuff. Katie Sackoff was out there.

And Jean-Carlo Esposito. among other people who are out there talking, and it was the same thing. And so that's my pushback, where people were like, well, what'd you expect? No, there were no expectations on it. You shouldn't always have expectations on. But change it up a little bit.

Change it up a little bit. I think you should give somebody, especially, I think for smart business-wise, you want to have some reports. There were no new announcements in the Star Wars, and the Star Wars side of it at all. I mean, Talesman to Jedi, again, I saw that I didn't see the trailer before.

Looks great, and then they released it to the public. I think that series looks fantastic. That's the animated series with Young Asoka and Duku and all that. This episode's going to be really long today. It's a big thing episode I'm looking at it down and realizing this. But anyway, it was a good trailer. But they'd showed that trailer already. And then they released it to the public.

So, again, I thought that the Star Wars stuff was really disappointing, and I think that they needed to hit. I think that they needed to hit. Marvel, I mean, look, Marvel didn't, it was Marvel disappointed. Marvel showed a lot of stuff, and they showed a lot of exclusive stuff, and did they announce the fantastic forecast like people thought they did? No. Did they announce any new major movies or projects, minus the Werewolf by Night thing or whatever it was? No. but they had a pretty big showing at at Comic-Con.

You know, Lucasfilm had a pretty big showing at Starz Celebration. Lucasfilm is in the position that Marvel's in. Lucasfilm needs to hit every time they come out right now. They're just not hitting. When it comes to Star Wars, they hit with Indiana Jones. There's no doubt about it. They hit with that, with that. And it closed out strong with that.

but it was just every single thing that was happening with the Star Wars stuff I was like I mean they didn't announce I was kind of glad by this but other people thought they were going to announce Book of Boba Fett season 2 they didn't announce that they didn't announce you know it's anything it was I thought the Star Wars portion was a bummer I really did um all right before we move on to the Marvel portion of it let's talk about my bookie I'll talk about my bookie here.

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There was the secret invasion thing that I thought was great. What I did like about the Marvel stuff that I saw was that there was a tone down in a lot of the comedy, at least in the trailers anyway, right? So I'm just going to talk about a lot of the stuff that stood out to me. Because as I go through it in my head, there was a lot of stuff that Marvel showed. It's just that I think that when maybe where I'll start to lean on some of the criticisms of people going, Well, maybe you expect too much. Maybe we do expect too much for Marvel.

Maybe we do. I'm not going to go into that same philosophy with Star Wars. I think Star Wars needs to, at this point, needs to hit a little harder than they are. But with Marvel, I mean, they give a lot of exclusive stuff. And that was ultimately what D23 is about, right? And they gave, they showed some footage stuff. They showed some art. They showed some things that a lot of people didn't see.

I don't know, the Marvel's trailer they showed, which that one to me had the lighter tones and the most comedy out of all of them. But I think I liked Ms. Marvel a lot, and I hope that it actually centers on her more so than I think that I like both Rambo and Carol Danvers, but I think that Kamala should be the one who is the focus. Because she's just so endearing.

And I loved having her out on stage and her talking and everything too. But they showed that. They showed. I mean, there was so much that they showed. But the stuff that stood out, obviously, the Thunderbolts, some people were bitching about the cast of the Thunderbolts as I saw. And I don't have enough information to neither bitch or to praise. Because I don't have enough information about it, to be honest.

People were saying that there were the other people that should have been announced and other people. And I don't know enough about it. I saw the image and I said the image looks fine. I don't know anything about it. They also showed, was it Echo? They showed Iron Heart. Echo was a little bit more familiar with because I watched Hawkeye and having that presentation

and then bringing back Kingpin obviously and then having Kingpin himself, Vincent Donofier, stay up there. Charlie Cox comes out. They talked about Daredevil and how that was coming. And there was, so that's why I do think there was a lot that Marvel did at that panel. There really was. There was a lot that they did.

It just, I think people were expecting them to announce, you know, the fantastic forecast. And the tease of that was they confirmed the director, same dude from Wanda Vision, but then he's like, yeah, but that's all we got. And that was like, you know, it's between,

if they announced that and then the other part of it, it's very similar, and it's funny, it also involves Henry Cavill again. I feel the same way about Henry Cavill. Cavill, the DC, the emphasis was that D.C. was going to announce Henry Cavill as Superman at Comic Con and it never happened. And people were mad about it. And I see, you can't get mad at DC because they never promised that. It's the same thing here. You can't get mad at Kevin Feige

for not announcing Denzel Washington and Cavill and all those, but they never promised that. So I get that. I understand that argument behind it. But it's also okay for the people who were in the room going, okay, the stuff that we saw was really good. It's interesting, but it didn't blow me away the way that I thought it would. I think that's a fair criticism. It's not fair for people to say, well, you had these expectations,

so it's your fault, you're let down. Yeah, but then my expectations. And it was like, if I go into a movie hoping that I'm going to get one particular thing, and I don't. I can't get mad at you for not having those, for not feeling, the same way. If you were excited about it and you liked what you saw, I can't get mad at you for that. You know, oh, I can't believe that you liked it. I can't believe you liked it. They let us down. You should be let down. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying I was let down by certain things.

Like Lucasfilm. I think people sometimes just put their flag in the ground and go, well, this is what you expect. And because you expected it, you were let down. And that's your problem. It is my problem. But let it be my problem. You don't need to call it out and say, you enjoy what you like. If you thought this is the greatest panel in the world and you thought that they hit everything and everything you were expecting them to do,

is it, what do you got to break other people's chops for if they don't, as long as they do it respectfully, that's my opinion on it. But anyway, there was a lot. I mean, Michael Chikino came out and talked about it. A lot of people like that wear a wolf by a night thing. think it's necessarily my cup of tea. I saw what he was doing with. He was going kind of old school 50s monster movie style with it. Very different. I just didn't think it was, it's not like my,

my thing. But that's not me. That doesn't mean it's going to be like going to be bad. I think it'd be pretty interesting. It's different. What else was there? I mean, there's a lot of other things that I'm sure that I'm missing out on. They showed the Shee Hulk. They showed Shee Hulk the daredevil. that's what they did. Charlie Cox said, listen, I don't have, we don't have any footage yet for Daredevil because we haven't started shooting it, but we do have something.

And they showed a scene with Daredevil and Sheihullc from an upcoming episode of Sheihulk. And I felt good watching it because, so I didn't like the last episode of Shehulk. The first time I watched it when I, my initial reaction, I was like, okay, I can see kind of what they're doing. And I watched it again for the spoiler review. And I was like, yeah, I really didn't like this episode.

And I was, and I began worried. I'm like, I hope they don't kind of cheese up Daredevil now for this show and give him this, the same time of the kind of thing they did with Wong, actually. I'm like, let's see. Because Daredevil, the character was sarcastic and the character could be funny in the Netflix series. So it wasn't, it's not that. It's just, is he going to be not consistent with how he was in the past? And the scene that they showed,

it's pretty consistent from what I saw the way Charlie Cox was playing it but Matt Murdoch was absolutely Matt Murdoch from what I'd seen from Netflix and it looks like Sheholt's got the huts for him from what I was noticing in the scene but yeah that's um that's the majority of it unless I secret secret invasion looks pretty good they had a scene

and I think they released it was actually released. The scene between Chedal and Fury, and then it leads into it. Again, the more serious tone, a lot of the stuff that they showed Echo looked more serious. Secret Invasion looked more serious. A lot of these things looked more serious, which I

was kind of digging. See, there's any more that I missed. Let's see. No, I think that's everything, right? The majority of stuff. Where is it? It is. Yeah, Loki.

Loki Season 2. Loki Season 2 was another one that popped up. Loki Season 1 was probably my favorite of the Marvel series so far. So when they showed 2, oh, and they showed Ant Man. I think that was the same thing. Because the Ant Man, oh, they didn't show any Guardian stuff. That was the one I was upset about. Because they did show Guardians at Comic-Con.

And Guardians at Comic-Con was even more back from when the actual release is. And they didn't show Guardians. They didn't show that trailer for Guardians that everybody was raving. about. So that was what I was bummed down because I really wanted to see that trailer. Loki was the one that they showed. Echo, Daredevil stuff, Werewolf by Night, Black Panther Two. You can't forget about Black Panther 2. That was, that was a, they showed an exclusive look so from Black Panther 2, which they showed the scene from when Angela Bassett comes down, she's at the hearing. And they, she's based, she's pissed off. And I think it leads probably, what they

didn't show that snippet, but you know, when she's talking about how she lost her son, she lost everything. But they kind of cut back and forth between, I guess, some military trying to steal vibranium and them showing that just because Black Panther's gone doesn't mean that Wakanda is weak. And I had a great scene that led into this, and it showed a lot of Namor, and it showed more stuff that was happening. They brought Namor out later. So Black Panther, too, is becoming a very, very highly anticipated movie for me and Ryan Coogler was out there talking and then that's when he then he introduced Iron Heart afterwards that's how that kind of led into that um so again even if I hear myself say all this stuff they did show a lot of stuff and a lot of exclusive stuff so that's why as much

as I say that maybe they didn't punch as hard I did a poll on my Twitter and I said what did you think over all the panels did you think it was great good me or um or just bad I won't read it just bad because I think from all the exclusive, I think that if you paid a ticket to D23 and you went there for that, they showed you a lot of stuff. They showed you a lot of stuff. You got a lot of stuff that a lot of people didn't get. You saw a lot of exclusive stuff.

And that's what I thought D23 does very well, is that you paid for that ticket. You got certain things that the rest of the world didn't. There's certain stuff that the world did get, but you got a lot of exclusive stuff. You got performances. You got the Steve Richards, the musical, all that stuff as well. So, I mean, yeah, you got to say, for me, I would say it was good because if you're paying a ticket, did you get your money's worth? I think you did. Now, on a media side of it, I could go meh on a media side.

But as far as paying your ticket, did you get it? Now, Lucasfilm brings it down. Lucasfilm was a meh. And had it not been for Indiana Jones, might have been bad. 20th century was good if that Avatar delivered. I think that the Disney stuff was good and almost great. So all that combined, I would say it's pretty good. There's a long, look, that was, that was just, like I said,

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Cobra Kai and being part of this one because this is exciting. Cobra Kai season five, I started the episode, this season, and I was watching the first two episodes. I'm like, okay, am I going to dig this? And is it becoming a lot of the same old stuff? And then it just kicks into gear. And I thought it was just a fantastic season. So the first interview that I got here is Mary Mouser.

Now, Mary is, I've had the opportunity of talking to her a few different times. She's a sweetheart. She's just so cool. She plays Samantha LaRoucester. so, and she has a big story arc this season. So Perry Nemeroff actually brought her into the studio, and Perry interviewed her for Ladies' Nights, which I'm sure you can find a collider now,

and you recognize a certain studio. But she stuck around, and I had an opportunity to talk to her for a little bit, and here's my interview right now with Mary Mouser. All right, as I said, it is Cobra Kai Heavy. You know it would be with me, and I am so excited because I, once again, And I get a chance to chat with Mary Mouser, who I met Clyder Live.

Recently, I was at the Nokia Theater for Netflix as a joke. Just not only one of the most warm people that you can meet, but one of the most competitive people I think I've ever met in my life. That trivia battle was intense, man. How are you, by the way? Thank you very much. I'm great. I will take being competitive.

I think my castmates know that that's, but the problem is being competitive. and also notoriously, like, a little terrible at everything. I get, like, a jack of all trades, right? Hopefully, but maybe more of like a 10 or like a 9. I think the competitive actually plays really well into what you're doing every season because you've said it many times over. And I talked to you about this at the Nokia was that when it came to the karate,

at first it was like something that you were interested in. And then I've said it on the air through my reviews. I think you progress so much. Like this season, I saw stunt doubles in the first couple. Like I could see when the stunt doubles are, now I'm like, wait a minute. That's like, that's Mary doing all this stuff now. So tell me about that, just the progression of learning martial arts and how it seems like you're having a lot of fun doing it too, by the way.

I do. I have such a blast. I am absolutely like, if you can be a geek for a really badass sport, that's me. I'm a geek for karate. I love that. I full on, like, I'm begging to get to have, you know, as much time as possible training. And our incredible team has been so supportive. and that's made this huge difference for me over those last couple of seasons was I got this,

you know, I got these opportunities and I got the time. And our team, you know, we have Ken Barefield and Don Lee and Selke Haum, who I have worked with so much at this point that it feels like this kind of, we get to grow and we get to keep challenging, you know, me and getting to challenge Samantha by that. I have had such a blast with the martial arts aspect. I have so much fun with it, but it is something I take very seriously, and I think that was the first thing that, like, really these last two seasons, especially like Selki and Dom have been so, Don have been so on me about, you know, stances and things and getting to break it down and like spin in our off time learning Akata and learning these things that are the building blocks of karate and very, in a very Miyagi-do-esque way,

getting to work on the building blocks of karate has made all of the crazy fun, crazy, cool kicks that we get to do and things like that, so much more real and grounded. And I'm so, I feel stronger in what I'm doing and in my knowledge of what I'm doing. And that makes me want to work harder. Yeah, and I think that that's why it's so effective in general, because you can tell if someone's just kind of half-assing it or if it's not really there. It's like it's not viable from an audience point of view, and it is, and it's especially this season because it has to be. And I like how it's funny because I was like a major, that's why I bonded with the guys so much when they created the show and they came in the first time. And I was like, karate kiddie kid you?

What are you talking about? Let me see it. And I told them the same thing. I was like a lot of people doubtful at first. I'm like, is this somebody else just going to milk a popular thing? And then it's not going to have no love. and that was the farthest thing from it. But watching it progress,

and this season, it's got this different vibe to it than it had in season one, right? There was like, I like how heightened the whole thing is. People are doing, at first I was like, would these people be able to backflip off trees

and like after season one? And like now, I mean, yeah, they better be black flipping off trees. So this big tournament, but I got it chosen. Yes. Tell me about working.

I mean, I mean, with, he comes in and I'm like, okay, for the first season that he popped in, I'm like, that's fun. But he's such a powerhouse in this one. Tell me about that. I mean, he's, I mean, UG's incredible. And getting to work with him on, you know, in the world of what we do,

he's an incredible actor, which was awesome. It was so great to get to see what he's doing and to learn from it. And then to also get to interact with him, you know, and have that layer. So exciting. And the fact that he also is just absolutely killer at, you know, looking like a freaking ninja. He really does. He takes it over. And he's so strong.

And getting to see that side. and learn from that side of him. I mean, he was literally giving me tips in between, you know, put your foot here and pivot your weight here and things like that that were very, you know, is very like a sensei dynamic, which was really cool. I respect him so much and was so grateful for the opportunity to get to work with him.

And he's the coolest, chillest dude. Like he's so quiet. Yeah. And, yeah, like he's, you know, he's quiet on set. He was very observant. He was respectful. And I was like, oh, no, maybe he's, like really as intimidating as he is on the show. But no, and then he starts cracking you up in between

and you're like, oh, yeah, no, we're good. We're chilling. I love that. And I love that. And I think that that's one of the things that this show has always been so special about because it can do those moments where you have the serious moments and then the silly moments. But the thing that I think the reason why the show has continued to pop is because, the perfect example of this is that there is this, the older folk like myself who grew up with it.

And then you have the younger generation, but they're all interesting. It doesn't matter. Like, I respond very much to your storylines. Like, you know, it's not just, I just want to see Daniel and Johnny. That is not the case. I'm like, where's Miguel and Sam? what's going on. Like, my heart's breaking.

No, no, pick up the stat. Pick up the necklace. The necklace. No, the necklace. So all of that, but it's like, do, are you constantly, like, surprised and kind of overwhelmed with how good the guys are kind of writing for, for, I know that you have a lot to do also with your character and stuff, too, but just just how welcoming it is for actors of these scripts.

Absolutely. I mean, this is, this is such a uniquely incredible experience that I've gotten to have. I mean, as an actor, like I said, and then also as a human, I feel like I'm constantly getting to learn from, you know, I feel like I'm going to walk away from this project, hopefully, maybe never. I'd love to just have it last forever. But, you know, if the fate's aligned and that's what happens, it's, you know, I get to walk away from this, having learned so much from every one of these individuals, you know, having learned from Josh John and Hayden, what it is to be creators, showrunners, have your hands all in it and to know it backwards, forwards, and to care about

it so deeply, that's something that, you know, I never thought about in my life going behind the camera. I always was very adamant people. Be like, oh yeah you're working toward getting to direct you're working toward getting to write right right and I was always like no no not for me now getting to see the way that they've done this I'm like oh I have things that I'm that I'm that I'm that I could get to find this many other people who are passionate and excited like I am and imagine if I got to do something that's this crazy like what they've created you know and and and working with Ralph and Billy and getting to see how they've taken these characters that they knew so well for all these years and like let people into that world and have influence and have conversations in that way is just

insane to me. That's, that's very brave, and it's something that I hoped that I could take away from it. Well, you're going, and you're essentially going to school when you're there, right? Even though you're doing your work and you're growing as a character and you're adding all this stuff, as you just said, I think you're learning other aspects that you'd never even thought you would. And that's really interesting how you'll, whenever it does. Let's, I hope the show goes until season 50, but, you know, whenever it does, you'll have those moments that you'll take those experiences wherever the next thing is that you're doing for sure. So it's, it's It's great to hear you say that.

But the reason I brought up the generational thing, too, is that my daughter right now is obsessed with, like, the Disney shows, and she's 10. So she's just discovering Peyton. So she, or whatever, is it, Nickelodeon? I can't remember what, it was Disney. It was Disney. I think every one of the young group of us, other than Shola, had done Disney before.

Okay. So she is obsessed with these shows that, because I keep seeing Peyton on my TV everywhere. I'm like, you're watching Cobra Car? I told you we have to watch season one together. I said, no, it's not. Gover Guy. And then I was watching the season five. And she said, she's like, I want to stay up.

There's Peyton. And I go, take it easy. We'll watch it together. But it's like, but that's my point is that it was so smart to combine this all together. And watching you guys grow as actors, I want to talk to about Sholo because when I got a chance to talk to him the first time, he blew me away. He's just such a, he's just such a smart kid. he's just a really good dude. What's it like the progression with Sam and Miguel

and going through in your relationship with Sholo throughout that time meeting him for the first time as an actor and now where they are as characters. Take me to that journey if you can. Yeah, no, I'm honestly like I started like even just tearing up thinking about it. But it's, I mean, that's, because that's been the really cool experience. And, you know, and I keep, I feel like five was such a hallmark number for me where I'm like half a decade, half a decade.

We've all known each other half a decade. And that's like trippy to me. But it's also, it's so cool. and special to get to look at somebody like Sholro who I watched, you know, go through. Like, our first kiss, he had braces, you know? And then now, and now he's towering over me and we're having this conversation. We're breaking up. And it's like, you know, it's like, you know, it's so special.

And he's so talented. I mean, that's the amazing thing. All the people that we get to work with on the show are, like, there's not a screw loose. Like, every single person brings it and cares so much to put in the effort to bring. it and working with somebody like him and getting to see that happen over these years is, I mean, it's astonishing and I feel grateful to get to be a part of it. And truly, like I was saying, I, in between takes of that scene from season five with Sam and Miguel, I was crying. I couldn't stop crying because I was just, and I kept looking at him and then I would just start crying again.

I'd be like, dude, like, I don't, like, I don't know how to express this, but this is like exactly what we needed and this is exactly what I needed and this is, and how. But oh my God, what does this mean? And what's next? And it was cool. It was we got to, like, have this moment where, I mean, it wasn't even scripted. I don't think that either of us cried in that scene. Oh, really?

Yeah. I mean, it was, you know, we got a little, we were supposed to get a little emotional. But basically, like, you know, we got to that moment of, like, going in for the hug. And he's like, yeah, we can be friends. And I had this moment of thinking back, like, how they had become friends. And that was, you know, she'd had that crappy boyfriend before and, like, what that was, you know, and, oh, it's not a date. And we're just going to be friends.

and how that just naturally fell into this, like, wonderful thing for them. And then getting to think that they've, you know, they've gone through a lot. Both of them physically, mentally, such trauma for such young people to go through. And then to get to come out of the other side of it and just still, like, value each other as humans in such a way. It was really cool and very powerful. It was, and it's getting me emotional watching you to talk about it because it just shows how much, it's very important. And this is what I try to tell when I'm talking to the audience too. It's very important when you're watching something to, if you can see it, like,

There's so much care and effort put into something. It makes us care. It doesn't matter if it's a television show. It doesn't matter if it's a stand-up comedian. If someone's putting enough effort into it and really love it, it shows. And it can show through the performance and it's showing with what you guys. So I've said to you many times over when we met in person, thank you for everything that you do on the show. And again, this season was really fun, man.

It was crazy too. Like really crazy. I don't want to spoil it for anybody yet because this is coming out right before it drops. It drops on Friday right now, I believe. So it's Friday or Thursday. Either way, when this is up, you guys are going to be able to watch it on Netflix. Mary Mouser, Sam Laruso, ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much for joining us, and I hope to do it again.

Thank you, absolutely. All right, everybody. So I told you, really, really big episode here with Cobra Kai. We're going to have the guys on in just a minute, both John, Josh, and Hayden. So stay tuned. See you soon. All right, so there is Mary Mouser from Cobra Kai. And you can see where she talked about the stuff that how much it means to them,

how much the show itself means to them and how much it means to, you know, the emotion that was going on with her, both her and Sholo for a few of those scenes that were happening. So she's one of the characters that has just evolved so much. And that's what the show has done very well, was to be able to take those characters that we've seen since season one and involve them. And they're also able to take newer characters.

Like I thought, like Chosen, who had seen beforehand, chosen was in one scene, he popped up the end of season, And he looked like, how much is he going to be in this? And man, did he, like, stole the show. He was great. But one of the scenes that he's in is with another character, new character, but an older character from Karate Kid 3. And that's Mike Barnes, played by Sean Canaan. I had an opportunity to talk to him via Zoom.

And they had mentioned, hey, do you want to talk to Sean Canaan? And I was like, are you kidding me? Of course. Absolutely. And I had an opportunity to talk to Sean. And we talked about Mike Barnes returning, the bad boy at comedy. Here's my interview with Sean Canaan talking Mike Barnes and his return to Corbickeye. All right, ladies and gentlemen, as I told you, I have been pumping up this interview for a long time on my show.

And now it is here. He is the one and only. Mike Barnes, he is Sean Canaan. Sir, it is so great to have you and to talk to you finally. I've talked to so many people in the Coburkeye universe. And I kept saying from the beginning when I talked to John and I talked to Josh and I talked to Hayden, I said, where's Barnes? Where's it coming? What's happening? And I'm sure you got it from the second the show, you know, was on the air. Tell me about that first. The second of the show is... Well, first of all, thank you for your lobbying for me. I really appreciate it. I had to, man. I had to. Every little bit helps, believe me. Yeah, you know, it's incredible that, you know, a role that I played 35 years ago still has so many fans, you know, they were kind of clamoring for the return of Mike Barnes. So I'm humbled and flattered by the... that. And yeah, I would hear probably a couple hundred times a week from fans. We're like,

are you coming back? Are you coming back? Well, what they did is what I thought, the reason why maybe more so for your character than anybody else, because the second this show hit and the second it was a hit, then everybody from that universe starts to be rumored. But the difference is that your character's mentioned in season. They mentioned that. I don't know who Mike Barnes is. I don't know who is Terry Silver is. Then I mention it. But like, well, wait a minute. They mentioned them. So that means something sounds good. Do you, at that point, do you ever have a conversation with the guys who are like, well, we have these plans? Or when do you finally hear, hey, man, we'd love for you to come back?

Well, you know, I think once they, you know, they put the clips of Mike Barnes into, I think what was this season. Was it three or four? I think it was three. Yeah. I mean, you know, look, I think everything they do is intentional. You know, so I had a pretty good idea that eventually it was going to happen. I think probably June or July of last year, I had a Zoom call with John Hurwitz and with Josh, and they, you know, said, okay, you know, it's, it's time.

And I was like, yes. I was really excited. And then I started filming pretty soon after, it may have even been, may have even been August, because it was pretty quick that I was like shooting off to Georgia to go to go film. Wow. That's pretty great. So I mean, so here's as we made sure that we were putting this interview out after the series is dropped because you're, it's a spoiler that you're back. I mean, even though the picture comes out.

So now that for people who haven't, I want to make sure that everybody knows you haven't watched the season yet, then you shouldn't be watching this interview because you're about to be spoiled. So you've been warned. I think it was very smart the way they did it here because they released a picture that you're back and they have you in that fighting stance. Yeah. And you're like, all right, well, there's the badass that I know. There's this karate's bad boy. And then it's a bait and switch. It's a bait and switch.

You're a good guy. It is. And I mean, one of the things I really liked about this little arc that I had was that it's not just sort of a simple redemptive arc. I mean, yes, you know, I do get the opportunity to apologize to Daniel, which was certainly a long time coming. and we sort of see one aspect of Mike Barnes in episode three. And then once Terry Silver burns his life down,

you know, we see Return of the Bad Boy. And so for me, as an actor, it was great because I got to play, you know, the two different poles of this guy. Well, that's true. You do get to see that thing that we knew from him back in Karate Kid 3, that viciousness, but it's kind of turned towards good. Right. Yeah, which is as he's sitting.

watching this thing that he built go up in flames and then he's able to come back the idea of it took all of Daniels villains, the guys that just bullied him and beat the shit out of him for so long that they fought together and they fought and the fact that Barnes gets his come up and it's on silver. It's got to be a lot of fun for an actor to do stuff like that. It was blast.

It was so much fun. And you know, the one thing that I had requested from the guys is, look, you know, when I come back, I had love for the character not to be this unidimensional character that it was in Karate Kid 3. And, you know, that was very much by design. That's very specific to what John Ableton wanted.

And I said, look, you know, let's try and do something that's got some different colors to it, and maybe some humor. And, you know, they were just wonderful about that. And, you know, I think we were able to do it. You definitely are. You absolutely were. Because I didn't, because I had said, I was like, I wonder if they're going to, you know, have this redemption thing because they had done that, obviously, with Johnny up top and then

chosen. Yeah. So, like, are they going to do it? it with Barnes also and they did. I'm like, okay, well, how's it going to play? And I think that you just nailed it because I was worried about it. So, okay, well, he's just going to be good and that's all going to see him. And it's like, no, he's got, he's pissed. He's pissed. And he's going to, and you're going to see why he was who he was. But so had you worked with, um, with Williams Apica before any, any of this? I mean, I'm sure. So I hadn't worked with Billy, but what's interesting

about that was in 1988. I was guest starring on a show for Fox television. It's called We're a werewolf. And one of Billy's close friends at the time was the other guest star. So Billy came to the set. And I was just, it's Billy's out got. And so I got to know. So I've known Billy since 88. Oh, wow.

And, you know, we've done Comic-Con stuff throughout the years. And, you know, we went to Vegas together. And he's just a fantastic, wonderful, talented guy. And it was such an honor to work with him and Ralph. And we had never worked together before. before and you know it was really I think it was kind of hotly anticipated the meeting of Mike Barnes and Johnny

and I love the fact that yeah you know it's like it's like two Rams kind of lock and horns for a second but then it goes into kind of a mutual respect thing and I just for me the funniest line in at least in any of my stuff is when Johnny says the bad boy's

right you know absolutely that he calls me the bad boy I thought that was so funny yeah it's like 55 years old he calls me the bad boys. But it's, but it's awesome though because it's like, it's that, it's almost, I've talked to, when I, when I talk to the guys of John, Josh and Hayden about it, there's, there's, there's like Star Wars in there. There's wrestling. There's all these things. And like for, I don't know if you're a wrestling fan at all, but you, like, Barnes did a classic face turn, you know, but, but it like, but, but like a, like a stone cold Steve Austin face turn. You know what I mean? It's like, yeah, and it's one of those to where he's just not, he's not going to be kissing babies anytime soon, but he's still going to be doing exactly what he's doing with Johnny. And there's these moments. And, and, but. But, but. The other thing, though, is that fight with Chosen up top, you know? And it's like, as a hardcore karate kid fan, I'm going, this is, a million years, I can never figure that the villain from two is fighting the villain from three,

but they're both not villains. They're both good guys now through maturity and stuff. So that alone, tell me about that scene. That was amazing. I mean, given the fact that, you know, Chosen is privy to sort of this, you know, arcane knowledge of Miyagi Doe. Yeah. You know, I think Mike Barnes held his own pretty well.

you know that was a lot of fun uh youg is just uh he's so much fun such a great guy um we had a lot of fun doing that um you know uh

what can I tell you uh I would you know the fight scenes are always a lot of fun yeah um I you know you always wish they're longer and more and all that but you know that time is one of the biggest constraints obviously in production

but we had a really great time and I love the fact that it's a, you know, it's a complete miscommunication. And, and I loved the fact that there was humor inserted in the whole thing that culminates with the three of them, you know, these three middle-aged guys icing their wounds down and, you know, kind of snarking at each other a little bit while trying to give Daniel the information that he's looking for. Yeah, and a great tag at the end, too, that shows that has beaten the shit out all of Mike Barnes's poor employees. Yeah. And it's all of that, though, too, because it's also like, how mad can Barnes really get when you look at the stuff that he kind of,

did in his past and oh my god yeah yeah so but you know and let's let's rewind a little bit though to karate kid three because there's a kind of a mixture with thomasine griffith you know working with him griffiths and working with him and and so when you got that role back in when because that was the movie came out in 89 yeah i got it in i guess 88 okay so you got it in an 88 so and that's after those those two movies so when you get that movie when are you just you kind of you got to be on cloud nine. It's the karate kid franchise. It's this whole thing. So, and that's the one that kind of puts you in the forefront.

So what, yeah, I mean, that was, that was really, you know, kind of this plum role that every guy in Hollywood who was appropriate for the role and even not appropriate for the role wanted. And, you know, I got it from an open call, which is

insane because an open call is really publicity stunt. And, you know, to think that you're going to get one of your lead actors for, you know, an internationally successful franchise film from an open call is ludicrous. And, you know, that's how I got hired. And it really, in a lot of ways, is, you know, that million to one dream come true story. And that's what that, I mean, that's what the whole franchise, even the fact that Avilson, when he's, that he made his name with Rocky, that whole thing, the way that that all plays out, that you could see that someone could get cast that, that particular way. But the difference with like, so with Zabka and yourself is that when Zabka's out there bullying Ralph Machio, they're both pretty much kind of up and coming. Sure, Macho dead done outsiders and other things too. But this was this was the big role. He's Ralph Machio at this point. So when you're bullying him and kicking his ass and I know you're acting, but still, you still got to be careful with the golden boy at that point, right? You got to be careful everything that you're doing. So how did you guys get along on that?

You know, the choreography, you know, the first rule was, you know, don't hurt Ralph and right so. You know, so, I mean, it's not only training doing martial arts constantly. It's learning the fight choreography and then, you know, making sure that it's not only believable, but nobody gets hurt doing it. So, yeah, of course, that was definitely a concern of mine and a concern of everyone else's. Yeah, and it's like, as you said in the beginning of this conversation where it's like, you know, 30 years later or whatever, and then you're brought back to the role. And it seemed like you didn't, you didn't seem to have any hesitations with wanting to do it at this point. So it's like, why would you? Yeah. Yeah, because I know that I remember, you know, there was some things like when the show came out and I even, I've had this conversation many times with the guys that I'm, I'm, as you can probably tell, a massive karate kid fan. And when it was announced, I said, I don't. know, man. I don't know if they're going to be able to put enough love into this thing. And I was so happy to be wrong with what they did. But I'm sure, like, Elizabeth Shoe, I had heard at one point was like, I don't know if I'm going to go back to the Karate Kid movie. And then she saw what it was like.

So I think you're coming in at a very different time when it was like super like success. It was already tried and, you know, tried and true and tested. And, you know, it's just such a testament to, you know, John and Hayden and Josh coming from the comedic background that they come from with Harold and Kumar and Hot Top Time Machine, that it was such a unique way of turning the concept on its head that I think once people figured out what it was and saw how good it was, pretty much everybody was like, yeah, I'm in. Yeah, it's just the investment. I just, I had spoken to Mary Mouser last week and what I had said to her was that us as audience, and it doesn't matter if it's television, movies, stand-up comedy, music, if you can tell that the person's

heart is not in it, you as an audience will not respond. But on the opposite of that, when it's there, you really respond. And they believe in it. You believe in it. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I mean, I don't, look, I don't think you should do any project that you're not passionate about. I mean, if you're going to do it, do it to the best of your ability. And I was, you know, I was so stoked to become a part of it that for me, I didn't have to generate any enthusiasm. It was just, you know, kind of flowing off me. Well, it looks like Barnes is going to get his business back from the Oh, with the Rembrandt.

It looks like he's getting it back. Maybe a couple, right? Yeah, it seems like it. So what do you I mean, obviously, if there is words and you can't say anything about it, I don't want to get you in trouble, but do we do you feel Barnes would show up in this world again? Let's put it that way. I think so, absolutely. You know,

I feel like he rounds out the gang with Chosen and Johnny. You know, I think he definitely has a score to settle with Terry Silver. He certainly could, you know, he's lost his wife, apparently, and his furniture store is burned down.

You know, who knows? Maybe this whole thing has reinvigorated his love for martial arts, and Barnes decides to open his own dojo or teach alongside the other guys. Getting me excited, man. I'm excited. And you're speaking about Terry Silver, who has ultimately become Emperor Palpatine of this. of this universe. Thomas St. Keith Griffith, and you worked with him back

in that movie, and so, and throughout the years I said, it's kind of similar question I asked. I mean, even though the difference was Zapka, I guess you hadn't worked with him back then, but he did work with Thomas. So had you kept in touch with him at all? Had you talked to him at all, or what was I? No, no, we can keep in touch.

It's a funny story. I was getting having an engagement party with my wife at a restaurant in Hollywood and we were having a party, and Martin Cove was one of the guests because Marty and I have kept in touch, did a play together. And they came up to me and said, you know, somebody is at the entrance and says they know you and asked to come in.

And it was Thomas having dinner with his wife, complete serendipity. But of course, it was great to see him and say hi. And we got a great picture together with me, Marty, my wife, Michelle, and Thomas. But, you know, it was great seeing him, you know, on the set and doing a scene with him again after all these years. Yeah, it was really cool. everyone's kind of been reinvented and just listening to you talk about like what Barnes could do. And I think that the thing that you said when you have when Barnes has that conversation with Daniel,

that how he grew up, it's like, well, what's he going to do? Is he going to be the same 17 year old like asshole than he was back then? Or is he going to, is he going to find? Yeah, please. I mean,

that wouldn't be interesting for me as an actor. And it certainly, I'm, you know, forgive me for speaking for them, but I'm sure it wouldn't be on the radar of the big three because, you know, that's not what they do. I mean,

you know, they always come up with something that's interesting and unique. And, you know, there are so many suppositions about Barnes's reentry, is he Miguel's dad, is he Tori's dad, is he going to be a henchman for silver. And, you know, all I would tell people is, whatever you think it is, it's not. It's going to be more interesting. And I'm so glad that it was. Same.

And I agree. Was there any, was that always the plan for him? Was it always the plan for as long as you knew that that was always kind of the plan? or was there ever that mention of, well, what do you think about coming and being in? No, no, I mean, you know, the guys kind of, you know, they were so gracious. They had me on a Zoom call, John and Josh,

and they sort of, you know, they were very receptive to listening to a little bit about what I had to say. And they said, well, we had this idea. And they mentioned the furniture store. And I just, I truly didn't get it. I mean, you know, I wasn't able to kind of see their vision. And I said, look, you know, guys,

who might have tell you what, what is going to work in your universe? you know, I trust you completely. Let's do it. Sure enough, it was great. Yeah. And they didn't mention the whole thing about how, you know, Daniel thinks that Barnes is maybe like, you know, some kind of mobbed up guy or whatever, you know, with the circular saw and all that. So all I kind of got was furniture store and it burns down. And I was like, okay.

So he's like kind of like a, you know, family guy. I didn't know. I was like, you know what? I'll figure it out when I see the script. Right. And that's exactly what happened. for sure. And you could see that within this. And coming into a season

five, though, and this is always a question you can ask anybody coming into a show that's been so established. I guess it's a little different because you're already part of the universe, but is it is it intimidating at all jumping into a series that's five years in or is it's like, yeah, let's go. Barnes is back. You know,

I mean, I hope this doesn't sound arrogant because I don't mean it to, but not, it wasn't intimidating. It was exciting. You know, you know, I, you know, I, I've been acting pretty steadily all along. I'm, you know, of course, I'm on The Bold and the Beautiful. And so, I mean, it's, you know, this is what I do.

Yeah. And I was more excited than anything else. It was, and, you know, it's, it's, I, I realized that I certainly owed it to the audience to bring my A game because they'd waited so long for it. And I just was committed doing everything I could to make it the best return possible with, you know, with what they had in mind and what I had to work with. Well, it worked and then some. It really did. And I think that's very similar to what, you know,

you used to talking about before, like the way Chosen was brought in. I think it was season three, I think so maybe. And he, he wasn't, he did the same thing. I think that happened with Barnes. It wasn't like, it wasn't in every episode, but it didn't have to be. So when he was in it, it was impactful.

And it benefited from the very end when, when Daniel learns that move from him against Creece, he's able to do it. And it's the same thing with Barnes. Barnes is like, as you mentioned very earlier before, was that, okay, great, I'm just trying to get my life back. It's like William Wallace. I'm just trying to do my thing. And then I'm thrown back into the fight.

But this time, you're taking my aggression and now it's going to be aimed off for you, the guy who taught me. Yeah. I mean, it's like it's the Joseph Campbell hero's journey. You know what I mean? It's the reluctant hero. He went from the ordinary world into the magical world. And, you know, and it was great. It was great.

I sincerely hope that there's more to come. Yeah, and that's why I talked about, I mentioned like there's wrestling in there, the Star Wars. I see so many of the Star Wars stuff for sure where you have all those characters. And what I've also seen with Cobra Kai is that, and you already said you'd been seeing it a lot before you were even recast on the show, was that the kind of fandom that is involved with the show already because the Karate Kid alone had a fandom. But now coupled with this kind of digital age now and the way that with Comic-Con and all these things, it's, got to be, are there people, like, even on Bold and Beautiful, there are people like geeking out trying to get spoilers at it? Oh, dude. I mean, okay, first of all,

I'll answer that question first. Absolutely. My daughter on Bold and the Beautiful is played by an actress named Monica Newell, and she's a martial artist, and her dressing room is next to mine. And it's like she is so into it. I love it. And can't wait for it. And the other day, I was in a nearby restaurant we go to on our lunch break at the studio. And the guy had a mask on, and he comes up to me with Sean,

I was going to once Barnes coming out. And he pulls the mask down and he's like, I'm the guy that does the boom on Bold the Beautiful. It's me. And I was like, oh, the crew guys are like teenage boys. Like they're all excited. They're all great and rooting for me and everything. So I, you know, it's funny, I don't go back to,

I go back to work next week on Bold and the Beautiful. So it's going to be great going back after it's air. Of course. I'm course. Yeah. So I was going to say one other thing, though. You know, these guys have done something that's really lightning in a bottle that they've been able to, cater to two age demographics, which is really difficult.

You know, you laugh at different things when you're 20 than you do when you're 55, and the show has effectively become a magnet, uniting families where it's something cross-generationalally. You know, people can watch together and both enjoy. And I think that's tremendous. 100%. And that's exactly why, and I had mentioned that many times over, but just most recently with Mary Mauser, is that it is when you have these people who, who grew up with Karate Kid, who love Karate Kid.

And there's certainly people who have watched it down the line and fell in love with it. I showed my 10-year-old daughter, and she loved it, right? But my daughter was even more intrigued with watching Kobrick Kai because she's a massive Disney fan and she saw Peyton on all these shows. Oh, right. And she, like last night when I was finishing up the series, Peyton's there. And my daughter comes out from Simms. What's that? I want to watch it.

I told you we got to watch season one first. Go back to bed. No funny. Yeah, so but she's, but it's because of that. And it's also, I'm not getting lost on any of this stuff. Like I, like when it comes to the younger generis, I'm very much invested in these characters because of the evolution of the writing. That's why, you know, again, this fandom that they've created and bringing back people inside of this verse.

And it's fun, though, too. The show is at time, like right now with the way the world is, I think it's, it's just a show that's fun. Yeah, I think we could all use something to, you know, laugh at and reminisce about. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. And the last thing I wanted to bring up to you is that I, you know, you mentioned about how you, you see all these things and people are kind of getting excited about it and these people turn into 14-old boys. I was that person because I had the, I had the privilege of moderating that when Netflix is a joke did the Nokia show that Cobra Kai did, I moderated that. And yeah, and yeah, and yeah, so when I was doing, I was, it was, it was so surreal, Sean, I got to tell you, I was sitting there talking to Ralph the whole time.

And we see. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the whole time. I mean, I had a chance to interview them for a bunch of different times, but this was different, right? I'm sitting there with the cast talking. And then I knew it was coming because I had the agenda for the night, but they're like, Joe Esposito is going to sing, you're the best around. And I'm there. And I'm standing there with Zapka and, I'm like, how old am I right now?

And today I'm talking to Mike Barnes. I mean, it's a crazy life, man. It's a crazy life. And I'm excited. I'm excited. Well, you know what? It really makes me happy that, you know, it still instills that kind of passion and that kind of, you know, fun in the fans.

And I'm just so happy to be a part of it. Good, brother. I'm so excited for you, and I hope to see more Barnes. And I really wanted to thank you for taking the time out of your schedule today. I appreciate you. I hope I get a chance to meet you in person sometime. Same. Same.

All right, brother, everybody. So once again, check it out. Cobra Covey. If you haven't seen him, we spoiled the shit out of it for you. But make sure you go and check it out. Sean, thank you once again. Appreciate you. And we'll see you soon.

How cool is that, dude? I loved talking to him, man. I love talking to him, watching him return and come back, and you can see how excited he was to be back in it, and you could sell how he knew, you could just tell him once this thing was, he knew eventually he was going to get his call up. Like, when am I coming back? When am I coming back?

And he came back, and he came back in full force. And they all wouldn't be able to do this if it wasn't for the dudes who came up with this in the first place. The idea to do this and to make this work and to make it go for five seasons. And that, of course, is Hayden Schlossberg, Josh Heald, than John Hurwitz. I've had an opportunity to speak to these guys. Every time that we've had a season, I think almost every year.

I might have missed like one year. But since season one, when they came in a collider, I had an opportunity to talk to them, and they've been very, very generous with their time and always talking to me about it. And we talked about this and more. We know, and I only talk about Cobur Kai. We talk about some of their upcoming projects.

So here's my conversation that I had with John Hurwitz, Josh Hield, and Hayden Schlossberg, the creators of Coburkeye, about season five and about the other projects they're working on. Here you go. We are a happy Brady bunch. Here we are, ladies and gentlemen. I am excited once again, it seems it's, it is now a yearly thing and I get excited for it every time it happens. It's COBRA Kai time. It's season five, and I have the creators, ladies and gentlemen, both Hayden Schlossberg,

Josh Shield, John Hurwitz. they're all here. And we're going to talk about season five. Now, what I'm going to warn some people is that I'm going to put a time code because at one point we'll talk spoilers, but it'll be in the time codes. I'm going to start with non-spoilers because I have them here. I got to ask some spoilers. Come on. Gentlemen, once again, five seasons in, it ain't easy to do five seasons where everybody's having fun and keeping everybody interested. You guys keep setting the bar. Congratulations on a great season. I had a lot of fun watching it. And you did it. You brought it. You brought. Barnes back. Awesome. That was not necessarily a spoiler because there's a picture that was out. So let's start with you, Hayden. So tell me about this season. Now, I know coming out of the COVID season that you guys had previously and how I know

how jarring and how tough that was for everybody, how was shooting this season as compared to, you know, four in the up in the air with Netflix and all that stuff. This season was different in the sense that we had Netflix wanting a season right away, right on the heels of finishing season four. So we were editing season four and they were like, let's get going. And so we started a writer's room really early and we were writing as we were shooting.

It's pretty amazing when you think about, you know, the season four dropped basically feels like, what, nine months ago or something like that or a little over that. And now we have another full 10 episodes. You don't usually get that amount of content in the span of 10 months.

So we've just been working nonstop. I mean, we have a game plan in mind, so we were able to jump right into it. But it was, it's fun because you have this big streamer that wants you to, you know, deliver more content. But it's, it's been a very busy year to say the least. Yeah, I'm sure. And that's what I'm going to say. So, John, you know, when it comes to those, these plans that Hayden said, I remember talking you guys back in season one,

and you knew kind of a clear-cut idea of where you want to take these characters. So as much as I'm enjoying it, how far can you take it? You know, we're not at the place where we're allowed to say how far we're taking it. You know, we've always said that we know where the end game is for a number of the characters. And, you know, we're still on that path. Season five should not be the end of Cobra Kai. That's not the plan. and we're figuring out kind of what's next.

We're in the middle of shooting another show at the moment obliterated, but we will be back in the Cobra Chi saddle soon enough. But, you know, we're at one of those seasons where it was a lot of fun, taking some of these characters that have been at each other's throats, you know, for so long and seeing some different looks for the characters. You know, Terry Silver is a force to be reckoned with, and he's a threat that, you know, Daniel C is coming and not everybody else does. And season five was about everyone sort of seeing what Terry Silver's vision of

Cooper Kai taking over the valley looks like. And how are they going to respond? Yeah. And Josh, you know, when this came about, when you guys were talking about the Miyagi verse and everything where the plan of where it was going and getting Thomas Ian Griffith back, and, you know, I bring up Star Wars every time we talk. every time. He's Emperor Palpatine, man. He's turned into Emperor Palpatine. Is that, is that ever a conversation where you're like, because there's tons of Star Wars references

in your show now. I mean, and there's rocky stuff and all that. The rocky stuff is phenomenal this episode, by the way, well done. But I got to ask you. So is, was he always, I know that Crease was always the guy, but was, was the silver, wait until we bring silver back and watch what he's going to do. Was that always the thing with you guys? We knew that Silver's introduction would change things. We knew that we had a lot of freedom with that character, given the performance that Thomas Ian Griffith was asked to do in The Karate Kid Part 3. And given just those little story drops of Crease and Silver's relationship

and what that backstory was like, it gave us the most canvas to play with in terms of Where do the character like that come from? Where does he go? What makes him tick? We know by now what makes John Crease tick. We've seen the life lessons that have brought him to that black and white outlook on life. But with Silver, there was much more opportunity to really dig into how he became the way that we knew him in Carotica, part three, how he looked at himself afterwards, and what the slippery slope was in terms of his

desires for life. So yes, I mean, we talk Star Wars all the time. It's inescapable. I think even the writers in the writers room who aren't, you know, the most Star Wars people are now Star Wars people because it's it's the battle of good and evil, right? It's the, it's the, you know, the people in black and the people in white. And, you know, Silver is manipulating people beyond even what we thought crease was capable of. And I think when he did that rug pull at the end of season four, it showed, oh, somebody has finally out creased crease. And that gave us such a fun canvas to write to in season five in terms of, okay, now that he can run amok, what's he going to do? He's got unlimited resources. He's got this, you know, this thing in his gut and his heart that's

telling him to take over the valley. What's possibly going to happen? And the world was his oyster. And I love that that's something that you guys play with too because I've said it to you before like when I was season one when we're watching it had a lot it was kind of more so and let me get to this before you don't yell at me

when it comes to the first season I thought was based more a little bit more in in realism right based of a lot of the stuff that was that was happening in in um it seemed more on tone with the movies right but then season two like I said I when the kids started learning karate pretty quick and all these things started. I said it's a shift in tone, but then it was consistent

for the entire series. And what this series has consistently been is fun. And yes, you deal with emotional moments and you deal. And that's why I went, oh, you know, I knew from second season two started, I'm like, this is where they're going with the show and it stayed consistent. But how do you balance it? And I guess this is a question for all you guys, but how do you balance it from saying, okay, because you guys come for you both, obviously, we know how skilled you are in the comedy writing, but how do you balance it from saying, okay, I'm going to take it to comedy. I'm going to take it to some really heightened martial arts, but I still got to balance it and make the characters feel real. It's not an easy thing to do.

It's not. I'll tell you, I have a feeling Stallone had the same situation every time he did a Rocky, which, and I would, you know, it's always been like a kind of spiritual cousin, you know, franchise to the karate kid. And I just feel like you, you have to go in thinking about the roots of the franchise. what the audience is really like from the original, which is always kind of grounded the most in reality. But when you look at like the Rocky movies,

you get to Rocky 3, Rocky 4, and it goes to these crazy places. But then it could also go back to Rocky Balboa. You know, and like, so there's different ways of playing in the world. And I just think like, you know, by the mid-80s, you know, Rocky had won enough things where he had earned these movies where you needed next level like competitors. And so if you were on that ride,

it felt natural and it could be like kind of at times silly and crazy but what stalone did right in those movies is he always cared about the character it always flowed from the last one it made sense that okay well what's the challenge in rocky three well now he's just a champion and he's kind of getting a little soft and needs to find that edge that i've the tiger and rocky four okay well how do we top that it's the fucking cold war you know and and it goes to a crazy place but like it's it's intense and it's you know, it captures what the essence of Rocky, the montages, the training, underdog, all that stuff. And so when we go into like a season of Puberkai, it's like, what do we love about the karate

kid? You know, it's the bullies, it's the bullying, it's the underdog story, it's mentor student, it's all these things and the montages and the training that go along with that. And so it's every season has that same secret sauce. But it just so happens. We're in season five now and Terry Silver is in charge and things can get to a sort of. We can get the spoilers in a sec. I want to get to crazy places.

Yeah. I'll just say, you know, to add, you know, I don't think the show would be kind of where it is without Karate Kid 2 and Crotty Kid 3. Because if you look at those movies, they went, Crytickin 2 as a fight to the death. Crotty Kid 3 is bat shit crazy. a lot of ways. So, you know, when we're, when it's really coming from a place of character at the start of it, you know, when we bring Terry Silver back, Terry Silver existed in Karate Kid 3 and the kinds of choices that we've made with the character, we feel like we've grounded him in certain ways, you know, certainly in season four, we got to learn a little bit more about him. But, you know, he has a capacity of being able to to do exactly what he's doing here. Season 5 is just him realizing his dream from Crotty Kid 3. So it's always starting from a place of character. And once you, you know, once you, uh, bring those sequel characters in, it gets bigger, bigger and crazier. And, you know, it is, uh, you know, it's a modern TV series. You know, we go big, uh, in a lot of spots. But as Hayden was saying, it's, it's,

it starts with, you know, Johnny acting like Johnny and Daniel acting like Daniel and the characters acting like, uh, you know, acting as they would, as we've known them in the past and the ones that we've established. And sometimes it gets combustible and leads to crazy battles. Yeah, which, which, which is what the, the show is for sure. And I, and John, I got to ask you this to it. And if you, if you want, if we want to steer away, then that's fine. But something you said earlier, I'd be, I'd be mad at myself. I didn't ask. We're talking about that you guys certainly want to do another season. And then you mentioned obliterated and everything. You guys are busy. You guys are really busy. You do it. There's the obliterated stuff that was announced.

There was the Ferris Bueller kind of spinoff that was announced. You guys are really moving. And know how much time it takes you on COBRAKai, does that blend into the conversations of why maybe that, because you guys are so busy, or is it stuff that maybe, because again, we hear all this news with Netflix, everything happening with Netflix,

they're restructuring and stuff too. So is there, does that play into it of why we haven't had an announcement on season six yet? No, not at all. I mean, you know, to be honest, we were planning to do obliterated after season four of COBRAKye.

And Netflix really wanted us to get a season five of COBRA Kyi going quickly. so that we could be in this September slot that we're in for this year. It worked with their scheduling and everything that they were doing. So we were happy to do it. But, you know, the discussion at the time was like right on the heels of that, we'll jump right into obliterated, which has been amazing. I cannot wait for you to see that. I want to hear more about it. Can you tell me a little more about it?

Yeah, you know, it's a, it's a throwback to, it's a combination throwback to those big R-rated summer comedies, the kind of stuff that the three of us have done earlier in our career. and still love. But also a throwback to those big summer, you know, action blockbusters. We always say that this is diehard meets the hangover. And we're in our second month of production, and it is definitely those things. Love that.

It is balls to the wall. It's not something that you'd bring the children to. This is a hard R-rated show. But it is so much fun. It is a mash-up of genres that we think works really, really well. And we're loving that. But there will be more COBRA Chi. That has been part of the reason why there hasn't been an announcement about a

Cobur Kai season six because we've been all talking about the schedule to do one and make sure that we're entering COBRA Kai ready to rock. But, you know, there may be, as a result of this, you know, it's no secret. We're in September now. We're in the middle of shooting this other show. So there might be a little bit longer of a wait for Kobe Kai than we'd all like. but we are going to be hustling and we've been already talking about where we're going from here. And it's the future of COBRA Kai is bright.

The good thing with obliterated is, you know, it's Sony and Netflix. And so it's the same companies. And so we just talk to them about like, look, we want to give obliterated that like COBRA Kai treatment where it's the three of us and the writing. And we give it that attention. But we know what we need to do with COBRAKine and the attention we need to give that. And so they've been able to space things out in a way. And part of that was getting a season five out a little faster. And now we're focused on obliterated.

And we're hoping to get focused on Kobra Kai very soon. All right. And Josh, before I get into the spoilers, so I want to do that next. But with the mention of the Ferris Bueller spin off also, now the thing that I thought Cobra Kai had the, and again, we've talked about this many times over it. There was a major hurdle with that. It was like, okay, how are people going to respond to this coming back? and then obviously well this is how we're going to do it we're going to do this heart we're going to do it with heart we're going to do with with blending generations and and it obviously worked out here we are talking about season five but with the ferris bueller thing the thing that i find interesting and i and i'm curious about is it's it's and correct me if i'm wrong but i think it's about the valets who go who go out and they have their adventure the thing is that you know obviously we're going to need new actors uh to play the roles um unless we're doing deep fake i'm not sure but uh and all of that throughout that

Is it going to be a tougher hurdle to climb because there's not as many, you know, relatable things that pulled us in the way the COBRA Kyi did? I don't think so. I mean, for us, you know, approaching this idea is similar to the way we approach anything, you know, that has a ton of nostalgia for us and for a huge fandom. And that's not to break the thing that already exists. You know, we are not looking to remake Ferris Bueller's Day off the same way. we were not looking to remake the karate kid.

We're looking to turn the camera. And with Cobra Chi, it's turning the camera on, you know, a character and following that character later in life. With this, it's literally looking at the same day. And what a special day that was, you know, most people who, you know, have seen Ferris Bueller's Day Off. I've seen it more than once. You know, we've seen it, you know, a hundred times.

And it got our minds moving, you know, when you start thinking of it. about what could make somebody take that car. And yeah, it could be just, oh, it's just a joyride and they went, you know, and they got some burgers and they came back. But what if it wasn't? You know, what if there's a really deep story to tell there where the car is just part of it?

And, you know, the car might be the biggest part of it. It might be the catalyst of, you know, that causes some big, you know, story awakening or character moment. But we love that challenge. We love setting a story. in a story day in Chicago history and getting to potentially see parts of that city and that experience that we haven't seen yet and maybe some overlap with things that we have. But with none of it, you know, taking any respect or appreciation away from what Ferris Bueller's Day

off already did. We're not looking to redo it. We were looking to see can we also tell a story within that time? Can we can we add to it in a way that doesn't cause you know, you'd have to look at that movie in a completely different way and say, oh, now they're acting like this happened and that happened. Like, you know, we're not that kind of storyteller. We, we love the art that exists and we want to be part of the party. Well, you know, I'll be looking forward to it for sure. So I'm excited for you guys on both of those projects. Let's talk spoilers. Let's get it. So you've all been warned now. If you haven't, obviously, if this is you're going to, this comes out in the ninth. The, the series

comes out in the ninth. So go ahead and make sure you check it out. Binge it. Come back. and let's talk about it. So you've been warned. All right. You know, I just mentioned as I was teeing up that series, I mentioned deep fakes. There has been really great deep fakes.

And I think one of those, as we mentioned was Star Wars. I just watched Samaritan recently. That's so good. The movie's fine. The movie's fine, but the deep fake. So when I saw Johnny Lawrence deepfake,

I went, oh, and then it looked great. It looks so good. I was so excited. What was the, What was the thought process of using? First of all, was it deep fake or was it the de-aging? I think it was deep-fake, right? It was deep-fake.

We, you know, when developing that sequence in the writer's room, we thought about all the meaningful people increases life that we've met so far, you know, in series and the movies that might have something to say to him and might, you know, be part of his, whether it's a moment of clarity or a mental break. and, you know, every, every suggestion and every, you know, hand raise of like, oh, Betsy should be in there. Oh, you know, Turner, we can bring back Terry Serpico. Oh, young crease. But it was like, can we have young Johnny, you know, say something to him?

How can we do that? Well, you know, we've seen some of these deep fakes and we've seen the criticisms of the ones that didn't work out. And we told her, we asked our post team, can we do this? But if we do it, we're going to want to really nail it. We're going to want to get ahead of it. You know, we have a VFX supervisor on set. You know, we hire, you know, an actor to sit in as a, as something on camera that has enough facial bone structure that gets you, you know, 50% of the way there in terms of a,

you know, a base. And then you let the, you know, the masters do their work. And we just gave tons of notes and didn't accept the first version and didn't accept the fifth version or the sixth. We were pretty neurotic about it. I think we're tweaking it on the mixing stage. I was a half-ass version of it. I was pretty impressed.

Hayden early on, it's like, this looks great. Are you kidding? This is going to be a disaster. And then his voice, you know, we had to dial in his voice. We were dialing that in until yesterday, it feels like, yeah. It was great. I mean, really, really look at that. I am one of those assholes that's very picky about it.

So I'm glad that you took the work on it because it looked really good. What I thought was impactful about it is that, sure, you could have, and you did have the Johnny as we see him now in the seat and it has an impact, but it has so much more of an impact when you see him young because it's like of the meaning of the relationship that they had and the way that Creece saw him, the way that Johnny saw him and that almost like innocence before that bully that we saw that the troubled kid is sitting there. You feel that impact and you're not distracted by it. Oh, that looks terrible. You're like, oh shit, that's that's young Johnny Lawrence. So it absolutely was great. The question, and it's got to be a tough thing for creators in general, because when you get that down and you do have great actors that are playing the young

silver and the young crease, is there ever a thing in your head that goes, well, maybe we could we could do the young crease and young silver as, you know, deep fake as well? I don't know. We've been, we're happy with the actors that we've had, you know, and we've done young Johnny before, but younger Johnny. This was the first. time you're seeing a you know a the exact age range that we saw in the original craddy kid for it so

we went for it uh fortunately it turned out and at least it passed uh past your test nice i hope uh i hope uh the audience the audience at large uh responds favorably as well we we're really excited about it but you know we do talk about the uh you know the deep fake world and, you know, this kind of thing, doing this kind of thing on other projects or at other times, just in general. It's really a phenomenal technology that continues to get better. And we love finding young actors that can nail those younger roles. I mean, young Sato was, you know, just just a dream to see that take shape. Middle age Sato, younger.

Middle-age Sato. Middle-Aid Sato. It's the truth. And, well, so speaking to that, and speaking of, I mean, you guys remember back in the day when I was, like everyone else, but where's chosen, where's chosen? And when he showed up in Okinawa, it was very powerful. But man, he, he steals the majority of stuff that he's in. He's so great in this series.

But the thing I love the most, and I can only imagine what it was like with the three guys talking going, all right, how great is it going to be that if we see not chosen, not just chosen fight Barnes, but then all the bullies kind of, then chosen and Daniel have, excuse me, chosen, Johnny will. have a conversation together, and then Barnes will come in. They'll fight together. It's like, that had to have been a conversation with you guys. It was the dream.

This was literally the dream. It was season five, more than anything, is if you're a fan of the Karate Kid franchise and you love all those movies, it's like we brought out all the, and they're all playing with each other and mingling in ways that, uh, that you, that you fantasized about, you know, seeing, you know, uh, chosen and, and, um, and Barnes pop off, you know, unexpectedly in the moment that they have. And then the finale was something that was just total fun for us. Working with all of these actors, Uji has crushed it from the moment we started working with him,

obviously Ralph and Billy. But Sean Canaan came in and he was ready to play. He came in and he was awesome. We looked for ways to give a taste of the bad boy and make him a bad man in certain ways, but also make him a character that's progressed outside of, outside of this this world in a way that maybe some of our other characters haven't but he got dragged back into the muck with the rest of them and and uh we loved him as a catalyst for that finale and yeah when we have daniel's three bullies from the from the first three movies ditch him on

the side of the road and go off to storm uh terry silver's castle uh that's basically uh that's that's fan fiction at its at its most ridiculous it was my favorite thing in that moment is johnny's 180 degree turnaround on Barnes. He meets Barnes. He assaults him and, you know, this guy just basically kidnapped to them and just, you know, bad boy doesn't look so bad to me. And within the course of about 35 seconds, he's like, the bad boy's right. Let's do this. And he's giving him respect. And they're going off to fight hand in hand. And it just works. You know those two lived in the same era in 84. They would have been in the same squad. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. It worked brilliantly for sure. it. I think that so, you know, Hayden, I had just actually just interviewed Sean. And one of the things I asked him was, you know, he, because he had said he didn't want to just come back and play the typical villain again. He'd kind of done that already. And, and then so what I want to know from you guys is, was it ever a thought of bringing Barnes in as just the bad guy again? Or was it always the plan to have him like redeemed the same way that Johnny and Chosen kind of were? Was that always the plan from the start? The plan was to do some. The plan was to do.

something different with him that we haven't seen yet. You know, every single character that's been involved in Daniel's life, you know, had some traumatic experience around 1984, 85, and we play with, you know, what the, what their reaction is to that and how, how they managed like later in life. And with Johnny, it's obviously something that, you know, he's still tied to. And it affects his life with Chosen, it does, but he's, kind of made up with Daniel in his own mind.

And I think, you know, with Barnes, we wanted somebody who was just like, you know what, he had moved on, like a lot of people would. And so it's relatable. But we like that, like, in some ways, he's the most adjusted out of everybody, but he gets, like, brought into their crazy, you know, karate war. And so, yeah, it was just a result of having, you know, frames, you know, Johnny and shows in different ways that we're like, what's different for Barnes? and that's that was it. Yeah, and also, you know, going back to what, how we talked about it earlier, that the absurdity of whether it was Crotid Kid 3 or the fight to the death and those types of things. But what was great about it, you guys did it in season four with Terry Silver when you talked to,

when he was like, I was a coped out of my mind and I did this. And I was trying to take a kid and, you know, beat up with this kid and do this. You kind of do the same thing in this season when it comes to Johnny and Chosen when they're having that moment. when they're like comparing, you know, first of all they're comparing what they did to Daniel, the horrible stuff they did to him. And then they switched and then they talked about like the cool stuff they saw him do, which I thought was a really great moment as well.

So when it comes to that stuff, like what, what is it like is it the fandom? Is it still, you know, that's probably the question I want to ask you, John. And is the,

is it still there like that, that, because I know it's work. Is that passion that love that you guys had for it when you work? Because it's work. all the other stuff doing is that that crazy love that for the franchise is it's still there?

We love it more. I mean, like it's definitely there, but it's, it's, we've been lucky that like everybody that we've met from that franchise who has been on the show,

they're all game and they're all in and they're ready to play. Um, and when we have these new opportunities to pair different characters up with one another, um, it's just exciting for us and it's exciting to collaborate with, with all of them.

Um, it's, uh, you know, looking at, you know, Barnes coming in and chosen coming in, you know, it's, they inspire us further. So when making the choices that we were making this season, it was, you know, partly inspired by our own storytelling, partly inspired by getting to know these guys and wanting to write more towards them. When we did season three and we worked with UG there, I don't think we knew for sure that UG would return in the capacity that he did. We knew where we're going with Johnny and Daniel in certain bigger strokes ways.

But it was really having that experience working with UG and seeing how funny he was and seeing how badass he was and how kickass he was and how putting him and Daniel together gave us goosebumps. And we knew that there'd be new goosebumps by bringing these other characters together and these different combinations. You know, and that's a you definitely see it. I'm glad. And I'm glad to hear it. You can definitely see it, by the way, that the passion is still there. And Josh, you know, it's funny, my daughter now is almost 11 years old, which is nuts. And yeah, it's nuts.

And so what I realize, even more so, because I want to talk about the younger generation as well inside of the show. And what I'm realizing more so is the reason why this show is going to continue to live on, move on, even if you guys do 50 seasons of this thing. And it's still people are going to keep watching it is because of this reason, this reason alone. My daughter has been watching and binging lists that show Jesse on Disney. And she's on as well. Same age. My daughter's found at the same time. And then right afterwards, there's like this camp thing that happens that they all go to.

And so she's watching, she was sick. She stayed home. She watched it religiously. So I'm watching Cobra Kai. And she walks out. She's Peyton. And she stops in her tracks. And she goes, she's in Cobra Kai, right?

And I was like, can't watch it right now? I'm like, you haven't even watched season one yet. I'm like, yes, we will. but automatically I said that's why this show is also working the way it's working is because you have this younger generation. She's so good in it because Peyton and

Tori changes dramatically in this one. Talk about like a turn what Barnes did. She's having this term because she's having this inner turmoil after the tournament. So Josh with focusing on these characters and knowing because we know the Barnes stuff, we know how important that that stuff is

in bringing in the classic characters. But the focus on the younger characters, How much do you actually, do you lean on the actors themselves sometimes to, to be able to, you know, because we're all in the same same age range. You want to be able to look at, look into the mind of a, of a 15, 16, 17 year old girl, you know, like, do you, do you wind up talking to the cast a lot as well? We talk to them, you know, and we try to remember, you know, what that's like, you know, in high school. It seems like every single day is the most important day of your life and every decision, you know, feels like life and death. because of the social hierarchy and the stressors of what's my life going to be like when I graduate, whatever the expectations that I have for myself, that my parents have for myself, what's my family

life like, you know, who doesn't like me, who does like me, who do I like, who can't I be with? You know, we kind of remember all that. Like, I feel like everything the guys and I have ever written has a degree of high school politics in it, you know, in terms of, you know, whether it's, you know, jock and nerd, you know, at its most basic, you know, place. But, but we also kind of lean into what these kids are going to. We kind of spy on them from time to time, you know, is there, those are not working. What are they doing? Oh, like these guys are playing magic the gathering together. Oh, you know, these two are doing this. And, and you see these dynamics at work, some of, you know, which haven't changed,

you know, in the past 25 years. And, and some of which are totally new in terms of social media and how seriously that's taken and how it means something if, you know, so-and-so is my friend, but they didn't like my post. And we didn't live through that, but we can lean into that and we can extrapolate from that something that we did live through in terms of, you know, so-and-so didn't come to my party or my sleepover, you know. And so there are these universal themes, and we try to really rely on the universal themes as much as possible.

So even if you are our generation, you can still get, deeply invested in the high school storyline. And it doesn't feel like, okay, here's a bunch of high school kids talking about stuff that I don't care, you know, because they're, you know, we found the karate kid when we were six years old and we still got invested in Daniel's first love, even though we didn't really know what that meant yet because it was just, there was something kind of pure and innocent about it. And we try to, we try to always live in that on this show when it comes to crushes and love triangles and just the stress of being that age. There's a lot on these kids' shoulders.

And now they have a karate war on top of that. So it's quite a bit. Yeah. And last question before I get you guys out of here because of it going off of that, Hayden. So when it comes to, you know, you had Johnny and Daniel for the first couple seasons and they can never get on the same page. And now there's only so long you can do that, obviously. And now they're on the same page.

And they're friends, right? So that was also, I guess, the case with both Rob. and Miguel and it looks like that finally happened in the way that they have this almost fight to the death it almost seems like it's going to happen and the way that it's brought back but it was again I think it's an always was it an always the plan type of question but did you know that it had to finally subside and get them on the same page because there's only so long that they can they're going to want to kill each other well it's a combination of the you know wanting Johnny and Daniel's rivalry to shed light on the the new generation so that they don't repeat the same mistakes. So we know that we wanted that to happen. And then also, who knows what we have planned for season six? It may be one of the situations where, you know, everybody has to, you know, enemies have to get together

and to get ready to take on the white walkers. You know, and it's all happening at the perfect time. Who will sit on the karate throne? That's right. Exactly, exactly. It's always about, you know, figuring out what's the big obstacles for our characters. And it's really, when you're at the age they're at,

it's like they're on the verge of graduating high school. There's some big life things left and emotional things that have nothing to do with high school rivalry, which is not the only thing that's going on in karate kid. It's also the mentor student relationship. And so there's still a lot to play out with these characters. And but yeah, no, it's satisfying that, you know, a lot of these rivalries, you know, they've found a way to work together going into the next season.

Well, it's a good setup, obviously, for the next season, but it's also another great season. Very hard to do, to do five really, really fun, entertaining and character-driven series. So congratulations once again on a hit series, and I look forward for more people seeing it, and I look forward for us to do this again. And I look forward to doing it on the other shows as well, too, because you guys are really busy, and I'm very excited to see what's coming next. Thanks so much, Christian. Always fun to talk.

All right, guys. So once again, that's John Hurwitz, Josh Shield, and Hayden Schlossberg. And if you didn't know, this is a supersized cobra-kai episode. Not only we have Sean Canaan, we had Mary Mouser, and now we had the guys. So supersized episode, go and check it out. It's on Netflix right now. Thanks again. Here you go.

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