The Kristian Harloff Show - DC FANDOME 2021, What Do We Expect to See? | The Big Thing

Episode Date: September 1, 2021

DC dropped their Fandome trailer and what are we most excited to see?! Before we get to that, Andrew Ghai joins Kristian Harloff as they catch up, talk acting, stand up comedy, what Kristian bought for his birthday present. Then the dive into DC Fandome begins, The Batman, Flash, Black Adam and more. Follow on Twitter Kristian Harloff https://bit.ly/31PePMD Mark Ellis https://bit.ly/2U1wKPa Brett Sheridan https://bit.ly/2HBltii Steph Sabraw https://bit.ly/3m0ud0z Kate Mulligan https://bit.ly/3owBneT Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I got Andrew Guy joining me. That's pretty awesome. We're going to be talking about a lot of different things. Obviously, I haven't seen Andrew a little bit. So we're catching up talking about that DC fandom trailer that dropped yesterday and what we expect to see out of it. And, yeah, I don't know. Just bullshit, and to be honest with you.

But before I even get into that, if you guys didn't know, on October 8th, I'm getting back into a longer set. I've done really a long set stand up in a while. I'm getting back. getting the hang of it. October 8th in New York. You can go to Mark Ellis. Live and get those tickets in New York Comedy Club.

He's doing shows on Thursday and Friday. But I might pop in on Thursday. I'm not sure, but I'm definitely going to be there on Friday night. So you can get tickets there. And then obviously we have to Shmo down the next night. But that's enough about that. We got the big thing. We're excited about it.

Let's get started, everybody. And hey, by the way, make sure that you're subscribing to the podcast feed and all that other stuff because this is a listen as much of it's a watch. So see in a second. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to The Big Thing. I'm Christian Harloff, and this is our show that we do here on the S-E-N channel. Thank you all of the new subscribers that we got. I don't even know why I'm wearing this.

I don't need to wear that right now. Thank you for all the new subscribers and everybody who's been joining and getting interactive, whether or not you're finding us for the very first time, rediscovering us. The engagement I've been getting with you guys lately has just been extraordinary, and I'm so excited to reconnect with Aladia, introduce myself to Aladia, and just bringing in people I like talking to.

And that can't be... Actually, it's not true today for this guy, but I had to bring him in anyway. I joke, I joke. He's actually a really good buddy of mine. I'm excited to have him on the show. Andrew Guy is here, ladies and gentlemen. What is up, man?

Thanks for having me. It's good to have you. It's good to see you. I feel like, I mean, this is only the second time we've seen each other in like a year and a half. What I see, a collision? A collision.

Yeah, that was... And then, yeah, did you go? Yeah, and you went to the comedy story afterwards. for a little bit. Yeah, yeah, it was a good time. It was good. You bought me a drink. You bought you a drink.

You were like a famous person there. You were a famous person in the world. The lady didn't even know. The bartender didn't even know who I was. But remember how she like, she like comedy store carded me? She did. She was like, well, who do you know?

Or where did you perform? No, no. She said, you said he's a real. Oh, right. Because you said he used to perform here. And as a test. Because you, because obviously, how do you know the lingo, right? So you're like, he used to perform here.

So in my head, I'm going, from what he just. said she thinks i like went up on the belly room like one time or something too and i said i'm a regular and right away she goes where's your name on the wall i go in the back next to ingram next to a shafir's up top of the wall right before you walk in she goes you're a regular she goes every regular knows exactly where their name is on the wall yeah she were and then we got to go see your picture which was a treat it that picture i don't know i had that one good looking young man it's actually it might be one of those it's it's not it's no it's the green shirt one i don't have it's it's

it's it was one of at the time it was the only color shot on the wall. Now there's a ton of color shots on the wall, but like most of them are black and white, but it's still there. You're revolutionary. Please. It's just I didn't know. I didn't have anything else. So I just stuck it on the wall. I'm excited you're doing another set. Were you there in New York for the other? You were there, right? I got to say, look, I've, I've known you for a long time. I wasn't sure how funny you were going to be. You didn't know me that way. I didn't know. And I was, you were great. You really were. I mean, I had to shift, dude. I shifted away from because I think I mistold myself things that. I don't know, to convince myself why I stopped doing stand-up. I always said that when I started doing Shmose, I was like, well, and it's not untrue, but it was, I would go up to the comedy store, perform in front of, it could be anywhere from

30 to 30 people to 200 to 300 people. I go to colleges. I did 1,000 people, you know, it's like, but I'm like, yeah, but that's even, even at 1,000 people, I'm performing in front of 10,000, 20,000, 50,000, 50,000, Schmows was doing 100,000. Right. So, so what's the difference? Big difference. I kind of, for sure.

Sure. And I took a long time off. And for some reason, I didn't have the bug, whether it was, you know, family, other obligations. And last year, dude, I just got inspired. I've been writing a lot. I mean, there was a lot of shit to laugh about last year if you wanted to or cry about. Yeah. And well, you got to, that's the, that's the whole part of it.

I mean, even like silly stuff where I was just talking about how you, people with children and how, like, the children. really took it the worst in the pandemic, right? 100%. With the school and the fact that they can't get vaccinated and all these things, like this took it the worst. And like parents trying to entertain children, why they're locked down and like can't be kids, if you allow it to be straight misery, that's what it is.

But if you can poke fun at it and joke about it, like, you know, I've got some stuff that I want to do. And yeah, so anyway, but yeah, that day, the one in New York that you saw, that was me sitting. a Mets game with Dagnino and Ellis asking me all the time you want to do set tonight he's been for for the last 10 years. Really?

And I went yes. And he went, what? I'm like, yeah. And I started writing that day and I wrote a bunch of that shit like that day. It was, I mean, yeah. What did you do? You did like five, 10 minutes? Did like nine, 10 minutes.

Yeah, yeah. And it was great. And I could tell it was recently written stuff because it was topical for at least the time. And it was, it was fun. So, I mean, it's fun. I called Ken Napsock as I was walking through the street. And I had a couple of bits that I was the opening that I don't know if you remember it, but I said, what do you think about this?

And he's like, that's good. That's good. Because I used to pitch bits to Ken when he worked at the farmer's market. I would go and I'd sit down with Ken. Go in there with you guys, because you were there. Ellis was there, obviously. At the store. At the store.

And it was, I don't know, it was like looking back in kind of like in time. It was cool to see because you guys all done a lot of sets there apparently. And you guys all met each other, I mean, before them. But doing comedy together there was, it sounds like something I would have loved to see. Well, we did. So it's funny because the way that all worked out was. Ken Napsock, I met, and Ken was on last week, and we were talking about this little bit. Like, we were in this comedy troupe together.

This guy, Mark Franco, who used to run it. And I went into detail on it last time. So, well, I'll spare the audience to have to listen to it twice. But essentially, there's a thing called bringer shows. And the way that works is if you're an up-and-coming comedian, you're like, hey, I want to do some time. I'm like, I got a room. If you can guarantee me five people, then come in. I was way past that at that point.

But the guy who ran this thing was like, hey, I thought it very small. would take bringers, put them throughout the show, but then take his regulars and put them in it. So we always had a good show. So even the bringers were green and not good. That's how I met Kate Mulligan. That's how I met Andrew Santino. That's how I met like all those guys, right?

And we would do that. But Ken, I met Ken through that troop. And yeah, and then Ellis, I brought in, Ellis at the comedy store. Right. I brought him into, and then just to go back, that was, it was time travel to me because I can never,

I don't know if you noticed when I was there. I didn't really sit at the bar. I was moving at a hundred miles there. As soon as you got to that, at first you were like kind of laying low. Like, no, no, I got to get out of here.

I got to, you know, and then after a little bit, it felt like you, you were like, actually I had to do this. And I need to talk to this person. I didn't go back here and check on this.

Yeah, of course. It's your old stomping ground. I saw my old friends. I saw, I was hanging out, Rick Ingram and, and Eleanor Carrigan,

we were hanging out. And I was just, And I was funny because when I was talking to Eleanor, the bartender came back around. She's like, so he's legit. And Eleanor goes, eh. I love Eleanor. She's a sweetheart, man. I had a weird, not a weird moment with Merritt.

I had like a fan moment with him. With Mark Merrin. Because I'm just a big fan of Mark Merrin. And like, I guess I haven't ever spoken to him. I know I've seen him a handful of times. At the store? Yeah, at the store. And so I just, you know, I just walked by and said good set, but I can even see a set.

I didn't get into what else to say. Well, you're probably, I mean, I did see it. I did see it. And it was good. so you weren't lying. Yeah, well, it is, because I wouldn't want to be like, I love your podcast or, you know, like, I love your specials, whatever. And so I just, I just want to say that because he's just a cool dude.

It's cool. And he's great, and he's a different kind of animal for us, right, because of what he's done in the podcast world. Because I remember, shit, I remember Mark Maren being around the store when I was there, and I got made a regular there in late 2002. So he was there all the time. And there was no Mark Maren podcast yet. You know, that didn't, that didn't,

That wasn't a thing yet. And I remember, like, there's tons of people that I've seen blown up that I used to just ended with Andy Sandberg, you know, Mark Marin, Eliza Slesinger, Andrew Santino, Steve Renazisi, Ari Shafir, like late great Brody Stevens. Like so many people that I came up with and watching people there. But like, yeah, he used to come in. I remember being in my old apartment seeing his, seeing the Entertainment Weekly. They did like a whole spread on his podcast. And then it blew up.

And I was like, good for Merrick. Because he was always very nice to me. He was always very lending of advice to young comedians. You know who else was? Was Joey Diaz. Okay. Joey Diaz used to always come out and talk to the young comics. Good set, bro.

He's like, you have a pair of balls. He used to say to me. Joe would always, you know, in the back, he'd always talk to the young comics. He was always very welcoming. It was cool when you hear that with dudes like that. Because there's, you know, I used to do a lot of influence. I didn't do stand-up, though, but it was still at a comedy theater.

And there's always a vibe. There's a lifestyle. There's like a community there. For sure. 100%. And it took a while to even get, like, recognized there. But it was, again, as improv. You're in your stripes.

It was a very different world, right? So the stand-ups were basically on half the nights of the week, and the improvisers on the other half. But you'd get some guys that were like that you'd look up to that you'd watch perform and they were so cool after you had a medium set or a medium show, whatever you want to call it. But they'd still at least talk to you, give you some advice. But then there was the other guys that were just like They couldn't be bothered by you

100% is the same way at the comedy store For sure And it was one of these And again to apologize to people who have heard this story A million times over But it's just when I was just going through there The store I never understood how people who were showcasing

And had opportunities to perform at the comedy store While they were auditioning You had, if Mitzie wasn't there Like they still give you time to Some people like, well she's not here I'm not going up I'm like you're out of your fucking mind R.Sufuri, he told me

straight up, he was like, one of the main reasons I think you got passed is that you hung out. If you do your set, you didn't leave, you hung out. You were here. Well, that's also how you learn, right? There's so much of learning about the people that are there in the community, but just as much as just like watching the craft. Yes. And it's being in that room in the original room. It's my favorite room to do comedy to this day.

And I actually really look forward to going back to it because I feel like I want to earn it, right? I want to earn it back because I'm going to do this set in New York. How long are you doing? About 15 to 20. Okay. You know, I'll probably wind up doing 20. But I have, all the material that I have right now is probably close to an hour. Really?

But it's not, it's not tight enough to do a full hour. Plus, Ellis will disown me if I go up there and run the light for, you know, if I do 20. This is my show. Yeah, if I do 20, then, you know, he'll be, okay, fine. I do, I do 40. 50. He's like, what are you pushing? You're pulling a roka.

So, but, but either way. So I'm excited to, to do it. then that will transition to see what worked out of the new stuff. I'm going to retool some of the old stuff and then go and say, hey, let's try to do some belly room spots. And then hopefully, what's the hierarchy of the rooms? The room. So the belly room is the room where it's like a lot of rooms, it'll get booked out by

certain promoters to do shows and people will come in or even some of the regulars will run some of their shows. And the goal would be for me is to, I don't know. the new talent coordinator now. I'd love to meet her and have a conversation with her and I'm not, by no means to, I'm like, well, I'm a regular. I deserve to go up.

I don't. Not yet. I haven't earned it. I want to go back up and see, start getting those OR spots and then I always like the main room because the main room is, it's, it's a fun room. It's,

but the OR is where you like, it's like going to the gym and doing the reps. Right. You know, because you can do, being in that room, and there, again, I'm repeating stories,

but I just, I don't think it's my fault. But no, but it's all right. I don't know if I've ever told you. It's just the story of the fact that when I, I'll never go up stoned ever again. Oh, yeah, I can't imagine. I went up once sooner. It was right after Rogan.

Rogan did like 45 minutes to an hour and he crushed. He was stoned. He was probably stoned. But like, and he, which is what he can do it. You know, it's just what he does. But I went up, I had gone up after him before, done well. But I went up stone. I got stoned with Rick Ingram in the back,

which is what I would normally do when I wasn't going up. And I go up and I'm up and I'm up there. And I, and there's people in the front row was packed, people in the front row. And so the guy gets up, he goes to the bathroom, he comes back,

he says, very loud, right in the front row, as I'm telling a joke. He goes, how's this guy? She goes, eh. So I'm like, all right, all right.

So I'm just powering through it in my head. Because normal, you know me. I can go, when I'm not. I'm like, and I can throw a joke back at you. My wit was dead. Yeah. Nothing to, there is no wit there whatsoever, just dead.

Then the guy looks up, he's black dude, right? And he goes, and he looks up and he goes, very loud. Tell a black joke, dog. Tell a black joke. Oh, God, no. And I go, just like this. No. He goes, he goes, why not?

Because I don't want to. You see me? And I go, I don't want to. And then suddenly in the back goes, leave him alone. Shut up, Bob. She's just like, leave him alone. And I was like, oh, my God. And I get off the back and Bobby Lee goes, what happened?

I go, I sucked. I'm never doing it again, Bobby. He goes, you are stone. I saw Bobby Lee that night, by the way. You know, he says to me. So him and Santino go on this super nice thing on their show about friends. They had this whole thing about me and they start talking about how Santino talks about like when he was coming up and how I used to...

I listened to this because you posted it, right? Yeah, he sent it to me, and I had heard it, and it was very nice, and he was talking about how when I was a regular to the store, he would go to this place room five, and he would do this set, and we used to have conversations about it, and because I was a regular there, it meant a lot to him, and when he brings up, he brought up my name,

and Bobby goes, oh, I love Christian. Does I love Christian, Arnold? Oh, he's so nice, where is he? And I see him. First thing he says to me after that really nice rant, Oh, I thought you died of COVID Bobby Lee A little fucker and he gives me a hug

I've loved Bobby Lee For I guess like almost 20 years Did I introduce you to him? No, I don't think Or maybe really quickly in passing I mean I would introduce you to him He's a wonderfully weird funny guy He's always been very sweet to me

Doing Comedy Stone is very tough Because I'm the same way My wits are just gone When I'm stone like that I've tried to do it I could have like a beer or two and that helps, like maybe loosen me up for a show. But yeah, getting stoned before anything on stage like that, it stresses me out. Can't do it.

When I was younger, when I was going up, I would do like, I'd have like one little drag. The place I was telling you, room five, there was the bartender. Her name was Jody, and she was a sweetheart. She used to give us Jody shots right before. And they weren't anything too strong. But it was just a little bit of the edge. Even though I, like, so Burt Chrysher talks about this all the damn time. when I saw him at pot bellies.

It was the first time he ever went up. And he comes up to me and he has beer in his hand. Oh, my God, and I had recently just, my first set ever, I had fallen off the stage. Not like Bradley Cooper Star was born. During your first set? Yes, not Bradley Cooper Star was born drunk, but like so manic and the stage was so small that I went flying.

I played it off like I was a wrestling lunatic anyway. And, and, and, but I said, I can't, I can't go up. I can't do that. Yeah. And I told Bert, I was like, I don't know if you need the beer. He's like, why not? I go, you're just going to rely on it. I said, I found myself relying on it up top and, you know, we're in college and he's like, and he said to

this, he talks about it all. I mean, it's very humbling because I told him he doesn't need to do that. And he, anytime he's, he's, he's anywhere. He always brings that story up. And, it's just, it, it does take the edge off a little bit. And I still, I like to be a bit of a hypocrite to, to Bert, I was. I would do like a shot or I'd have like a beer beforehand too, but I didn't rely on it. Yeah.

I never, I never want to have hammered. It's a, it's, I found, I found myself towing that line sometimes because it's true. You do start to, you're like, man, that last, that last show was so funny. Yeah. So good. And it's like, you know, I had a couple drinks beforehand. Maybe, you know, maybe that's why. Yeah, if you rely on it, though, that's where it becomes an issue because it starts

to fuck with your head a little bit more. And then it does exactly what you just said. Well, maybe it's like that episode of Friends. I don't know if you watched Friends, but like, so when, the drunk, the drunk, What was the guy's name? Fun Tony or fun other guy's name? Fun Bobby. Fun Bobby.

And it was when he was drunk. And when he was not drunk, he was boring. He was boring as hell. And so that's what gets into our heads. Like, oh, I won't be any good. But it's like what really is what's in there? Right. Like what's really you without as many inhibitions.

Yeah, it's your nerves. That's all it is. It's your nerves. And as an actor, you know, like you don't, you don't, do you go hammer it on the set? I never do either. Like nothing. No. Always clean.

Right. Even like offset. Tell me about the movie, by the way. So you and Roxy did a movie. movie together. Yeah, it was it. Tell me about it. I don't know a lot about it.

I know nothing. I know nothing. It's like a coming of age dramedy about a group of friends that kind of are dealing with loss in a way. And so it's crazy. Our friend wrote the script and I did the first table read for it back in 20,

it was either in 2017 or 2018. Right. Do you think when you're reading that script, do you think, because a lot of projects, this is never going to go, but I'm helping the guy out. Kind of, you know, for sure.

I mean, I knew that he was a good writer. Right. And it's funny because, During, you know, filming, we went back, like me and a couple of the other actors that have known him for a long time. We went back and we read that version, and it's God-awful compared to the one that's on screen now. And he did the work and made it- He did the work. And it was already a good script back then. So it's crazy to look at how much he'd done over the last few years.

But it was like, it was one of those experiences when you're just surrounded by nothing but, like, talent. Right. Like great, hardworking. And just want to work. And they're all really talented people. They're all really humble people. The movie was great. Ohio was super awesome.

I'd never been to... Is that where he was? It was in Ohio. What part of Ohio? Oxford, Ohio, where Miami University is. Okay. And it's a cool little college town, you know, and since it was small, and Jeff actually, Jeff and a couple of the actors, Jeff is the director and writer, they're alumni of Miami University.

So they got to do some shit. Yeah, I mean, they knew the place. They were able to talk to the school. He actually teaches a film class there. So it was, we got to use a bunch of cool-ass locations all over Ohio. We were out in the woods, shooting some camping scenes. What's your character? He plays, he's like the love interest in the movie, but...

To who? To Roxy. Yeah. Wait a minute. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, it's two people. Don't fucking bury the league. I know.

I mean, so that was my question because I saw it, because we played with that in the Smodown a little bit, but like, so, all right, so for the people who don't know or two is that, I mean, and we've talked about this many times. It's nothing crazy, but like, so Ben and Roxy, they had a thing for a long time. But like, so it's acting, you guys are professionals, but do you have to call Ben and tell him this? I did. I did call him because Roxy let me know

because I didn't know who had been cast in the movie other than one or two other people. And there's like essentially six main characters. It's like a true ensemble cast. And I found out that Roxy was brought on, like I'd say in the middle of finding out who all were involved. Because there was a co-lead. Yeah, is the co-lee?

I mean, she's Lola. And the movie's called Always Lola. Right. And so when I first found out, I was like, holy shit. This is really interesting because I already knew who I was playing. And I know the script. So you're like, well, I got to call. Here's the, call Ben.

So I'm sitting there. I'm in the sauna at the gym. And I was like, wow. Okay. This is how life. I'm going to call you from the sauna and let you know. Hey, my new feature film. I'm with your girlfriend.

Yeah, hold on. Let me finish it. My balls are a little sweaty. By the way, speaking. My bull. Just the truest L.A. moment. Oh, God. You know, it was, I mean, I'm sure it was the same thing for rocks, and maybe not.

I don't want to speak for her. But at first I was like, wow, this is, this is interesting. Right. Oh, no, it was because she didn't know who I was playing yet, because there's three males that are in the three. Of course. Yeah, and so I tell her, she's like, holy shit, this is, well, at least we have a lot to bring to the set. Right.

Because we have a history. And, like, I love rocks. Right. Right. Our, as you said, you know, Ben is and her had a thing for a very long time. Ben is my business partner and my best friend. And Roxy is someone who I've worked with and known as a professional and as a friend for five, five, six years now. And that's the thing that people don't understand. And the common answer is always, which is very true is we're professionals, we're actors.

That's part of it. But there comes a part where you've got to take out emotions. I don't know the, I don't know the script. I don't know the role. I don't know what the intimacy stuff is as far as how long, what happens if it's a kiss, if it's a kiss, if it's more, whatever it might be, it's still a thing that has to play inside of your head whether you separate from Andrew Guy to your character's name.

So it's just part of it. I mean, she is the most professional. So it made it very easy on set. We were both, all the actors that were involved were like really, really great, and they had a lot of great rich backstory for their characters. So, but all that being said, you know, it was still Andrew Guy and Roxy on set. And I had to say, I'm so glad that it was Rocks because not, only did she do a great job, but like it was a cool way for us to kind of have a new chapter

in our friendship. Yeah. You know, like it'd been so long since we did the hosting together back at the studios, you know, that's, who knows if it's going to open up again or not? And that was, you know, after buzz. And then, you know, with her and Ben, you're kind of like the third wheel a lot of the time or just like his friend. Sure. And then afterwards, we were in COVID. It was, I hadn't seen her in so long. And this is your, and this is your thing. Your, your passion is acting. Your passion is character. And you're, and you're, you're, and you're, you're and hers is as well. And you're both really good hosts

and very good pundits, but your heart lies in acting. So it is almost like separating the world of like everything you just said. Here's all the stuff that we used to do, but this is my world and your world. And everybody else, we're in Ohio. That's the, right now, that's the acting world.

It doesn't exist because you were, as you should be, lost to the rest of us at that point because you're so, yeah, because you're so locked into what you were doing. Yeah, I mean, and it was kind of, we all became, it felt like summer camp. Yeah, honestly. Totally. What the movie,

the long movies are, our good show is. A few weeks all together. You spend all day, every single day together, even when you're not filming, you hang out and all that. But I'm excited, man.

When's it come out? We're hoping, we're trying to get into South by. So that's, yeah, so that's the first thing, that's the first obstacle, which means it has to get edited very, very quickly. And I know that Jeff's already working on that with someone else.

And then after that, I think there's going to be a few more festivals. So they're saying, fall of 2020 is when it'll be able for everyone to see it. You mean not 2020? Sorry, 2022. I was like, you just stop speaking.

Fall of 2022 is when I think everyone will be able to see it. And I'm really excited. I usually don't watch dailies at the end of the day. You've been checking them out? I did. I checked them out throughout most of the shooting and it was just beautiful. That's great. It's like really well done.

Smart for him too. He makes a lot of connections on, you know, working at AfterBuzz and sees me. Like I said, and I don't both smoke up your ass here very. talented actor. You've been one of the main guys in the Schmoden that I was able to build character off of. And it's because you have natural instincts. You know, you just, you just do. So I'm sure. And Roxy is the same. So obviously this guy saw the same thing. So I'm excited to see it. What's the name of the film called again? It's called Always Lola. You can look at an I-M-D-B.

Go give it some love there if it's possible. And yeah, when it comes out, look out for it. It's going to be good. So you seem, and correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem like once you have work like you just did, it's almost like it eases your pain. a bit, right? Like, it eases, like, and you can calm down a bit, but then if you're not working, you're, like, you're fucking antsy and sometimes, yeah, I mean, I, I mean, in general, LA makes you feel kind of that way and being surrounded by so many talented friends that are always going and getting it, you know, like you, you, you, for instance, you're always working every single day, and you got a family and stuff like that. So you know how it is where you always feel like you

you got to do the next thing, but also being surrounded by people like that all the time, it encourages you to. So with acting, I think that one of the hardest things is, is, you know, the victories are so few and far between. And then even after you do the job, you never have any idea how good it's going to look when it comes out in the edit. You don't know when it's going to come out. I mean, hell, I'm still waiting on one of my features

from 2017. Crazy. Rapped in 2017. It's 2021 now. Budget, right? It's, I mean, essentially, yes. I feel like if you have money, you can always expedite the process.

And I know that the director of that film really wants to edit it, but he's clearly taking his time. It's, I got it. Hey, I finally finish it. I have three grandkids. Yeah, I mean, he literally had a kid right after we wrapped filming. And so he, I gave him a year for that.

But yeah, man, it does ease the pain. It makes, it's not that I don't love hosting. I do love hosting. I love doing what I do on. I love being on the desk for the MTS. I really do. I love being on the desk for Clash Royale. But it's just not that thing for me, you know.

I get it. I mean, that's how I'm feeling right now. Like with, I mean, I think that that's why I'm so grateful that this show came into my life, you know, because you've got to be able to assess what's going on in your life and know when to move. Because if you stay still because of being comfortable or being scared, you're fucking dead. Oh, 100. And like the pandemic made that process happen so much faster for a lot of people in either direction, whether you're just like, whatever, I'm just going to chill for a year.

It's really hard to start get going again, you know? It is. And it's like, and especially when you get caught up in something that, works and then when it's not working anymore you're like well but used to work it's like yeah but but it's not anymore so always got to adapt you got to evolve you got to move because once you start seeing things not moving you can listen to people who are going oh you're a little bit back to this guy sounds smart it's but it's the same guy like the guy whether it's if it's if it's smow down or big thing right when big thing was on the main channel oh long gone are the days when schmows no used to

get a hundred thousands of fuels and that can If you allow it, it can fucking kill you. Yeah. And it can be like, oh, my God. Like what? Is this guy right? Blah, blah, blah. But then you also say to yourself, well, wait a minute.

If I'm taking all of this material that's on the, the Schmodown channel right now, and it's Schmodown, it's SEModown, it's SEMO-Dive. If a new audience member comes in and says, what the hell? I'm here for Schmodown. What the hell is big thing? What the hell is Schmodown? What's this thing with the robot? Like, oh, it's too much. I'm fucking out.

And I saw that. I was part one of it. Part part two is then people were like, oh, you're moving stuff over to a smaller channel. That's a big mistake. You shouldn't do that. Meanwhile, they've never run anything.

And some people who have, who are like, oh, it's all, you should have stayed on the channel with the most subscribers. Like, so the idea was then to say, like,

okay, look, this is, this is what I, what I need to do here. I'm, I have lost my passion for just at the time, whether it was like on SEM live, it was a necessity to do the,

show with the donations and everything to because YouTube doesn't pay. Yeah. And there was also just like so many people that wanted things to do. They didn't have anything to do out there and we're trying to pay their bills. 100%. And people that were trying to give away their bill money for entertainment. Absolutely. And it was like, how do you interact with the audience, do all that?

But then you got to listen to that audience that says, I have to be honest. I understand why you're doing what you're doing. I'm trying to listen to the show in every five minutes. I'm not interactive with the show. but when I'm trying to get the actual conversation, I got a robot interrupt me. The show's not for me. I'm out.

How do you not understand that? 100%. So it was Ben Goddard and Brett, we're having the conversation. They're like, we think I'm seeing it really works for Twitch. And I was like, and the second they said it,

I'm like, it 100% works for Twitch. That's the whole point of that show. Yeah. So we moved it over to Twitch. We went from like 6,000 subscribers to over 7,000. They're doing really well. It's interactive.

It's every day. They're having a lot of fun over. Roxy's on there, hosting two times a week. So, and all that. And then I was, well, now I can do what I've always wanted to do with big thing because, as I was, because people were scared when I said, I want to move it over to another channel and just do it there. They're like, would be taking it off a channel with 297,000 subscribers and that?

And I said, but here's the difference. And I showed you this early this morning. Right now, the Shmodown does between anywhere between 10 to 25,000. We had big marketing on the collision and we hit like, we hit like 200,000 subscribers, whatever it was. But normally 15, 20,000 views in an episode, right? What I'm very clear of and what I am very aware of is a lot of people who subscribe to that main channel originally were there for Schmo's no reviews. And some people are like, all right, well, that's not this show. I'm out. And then there's other people who are there for that show, the hardcore viewer, that we have to

market everything towards Schmodown to bring in the new people who just know that channel as Shmodown. That's the experiment on that channel. That's what that channel is for now. This channel, for people who are curious about it, you know, 13,000 subscribers right now, we're averaging 10,000 an episode. So the ratio in that is fantastic. Yeah, that's insane. So if we're able to continue to do that and move forward because then be more interactive, that's the one thing I lost sight of when I started in 2000.

And you guys are very good at this on action. In 2008, Mark and I would respond to every comment, talk to everybody, know your community, have that conversation. I posted something in Facebook and my Facebook page. and the interaction with the fans was extraordinary. The conversation. Yeah, I've been seeing them. Yeah, and I see people start to, and they're subscribing,

and they're saying, and the common thing that I got out of it was, I'll be honest, I either bailed because of the robot, they didn't know what I was doing since Collider, that all these things, but they were still following the page. I said, let me check it out. And they said, this is what I fell in love with you guys for in the first place. Just pure uninterrupted conversation about whatever. There's a good topic I want.

There's a guest I want. and you've got to be able to adapt and move and listen to the people that are into your stuff. Well, yeah, and you wonder, like, what if you never stop doing the one-on-one hour-long sit-down show for, like, year after year after year? That might have, sometimes you have to leave something and come back to it or at least give it a facelift. Like you said, if the things are changing or we need to cater to one thing because of a global pandemic. Right. Then when you come out of it, things are going to be different again. That thing that worked during that time isn't going to work the same.

That's right. And the thing that you've always loved doing, you can always go back to. And not that this is the exact same as what we used to do. But it's exactly. It's a hybrid. Someone said it the other day, and I agree with them a thousand percent.

And that this is a hybrid. This show is a hybrid of Schmo's No Show, Collider Live and One-on-One, all put together. Because sometimes I just have a guest like yourself. We just fucking bullshit. We shoot the shit. We go where we go. And sometimes I have two or three people on,

and we'll do a deep dive of something, you know. And I mean, like, Sith Council has been that. Sith Council is the most true to the, I started a show with Tiffany Smith on, in like 2000, right before Jedi Council was even a thing, like 2013. It was called Far Far Away.

And it was just this. It was the three, it was two or three people talking. We weren't even on video. We're just audio and we were just talking. Yeah, it was, it was a really fun show.

And that ultimately turned into the idea of saying, well, let's try to do a Jedi Council show and then the rest of history. But, but yeah, just to be able to, to do that, I think that people is for podcasting and be able to talk and people want to know not just things about your life and like the great story we just heard about you and your

passion for acting, but then to be able to shift and pivot and say like, for example, like, I know you're a big, you're a big TV guy, you're a big film guy, but you're like me. It's like not necessarily chasing after the screenings. You go to the ones you want to go to. Yeah. If it's like bad traffic or a different part of town, I'm just like, I just don't know. The hell with it. Someone let a fire under my ass yesterday, though, because they were like, they go,

dude, you've got like five days to watch The Suicide Squad. It's going away from HBO Max. I still haven't watched it. Oh, wow. Have you seen any of you? No, I'm glad you told me. I didn't know I was leaving. Maybe I'll do that tonight.

I might even, to be honest with you, after you leave today, I might just put it on my TV. I might even do like a spoiler review. At this time, who knows, I could be bullshitting myself, but I might even have a spoiler review on the channel at this point. Well, hopefully you do. I mean, I heard it was really good. I heard it was really good. I can't wait to see it.

But to thank God to that commenter who was like, you got like five days, dude. I know. I can't remember. I mean, well, actually, I do remember. It was Wonder Woman 1984 was the one that I missed. It like left HBO for a while and came back and, you know. Yeah. Did you wind up seeing it?

I did. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I didn't feel too bad about it. But I would be bummed if I miss Suicide Squad. It is kind of goofy. It's kind of goofy. I think it was better than I thought it was going to be because I heard so much hate about it. I didn't hate it.

It's goofy and a lot of it doesn't make any sense, but I didn't hate why. I mean, like, the Suicide Squad is the one that I'm going to watch. Suicide Squad stinks. Yeah, I don't know. I think I'll ever watch it again. Loved the Snyder cut. You know what I did too? Yeah.

I was going to say, you know what I've been loving doing is watching these horrible straight to Netflix releases? How do you do that? There's so, I don't know why I do it. Like without remorse, there was Beckett. Which was, without remorse is Liam Neeson, right? No, that's the Michael B. Jordan. Oh, right, right, but the Clancy one. The Clancy one.

I saw that too. Because, you know, that novel I read a long time ago, it has nothing to do with this movie. Really? No. Yeah. Completely different. They're all so bad. They remind me of like that genre of 90s action throwers where it was just like, just put someone famous in it.

A horrible story. We'll just have him kick someone's ass for a while. Beckett was the most recent one I watched with John David Washington and Alicia Vakander. It's horrible. It's literally, it's horrible. So much stuff. There's so much stuff to watch. And it's like all of these things that, and it was.

We're going to talk about, I know that everybody, you might have tuned in to hear us talk about the D.C. fandom thing we're going to. We're going to talk about that trailer in a second. But I have to tell you, because I tell everyone who's on this damn show, I have talked about this. I've been watching the Sopranos over and over and over again. My wife is not happy with me at the moment. I'm sure. This thing, this fucking picture. So for those. Which cameras even set up? It's not. It's not a camera. It's a screenshot. It looks like it. But that's how it looks in the. on the wall at the moment. But like I, so for those people who are audio listeners right now, there is, if you're hardcore Sopranos fans, and I got to send this to Steve Sharippa,

who's following me now, and I have to tell him that I bought this. This is a picture of Tony and the horse pie omai. And in season four, he gets a picture of himself, and he's wearing a suit, and he's got a glass up. But then the horse winds up dying, right?

And he gets all pissed off. And he goes, throw it out. Because it gets there. Throw it out. And he throws it out. And he throws it out. And Paul, he takes, has the guys, they're burning it. He has him take it out of the trash.

And he hangs it up. But he doesn't like Tony, staring at him all day long. So he goes and has a guy retouch it and paint him like the fucking Napoleon. It paints him like Napoleon. And it's even, if you look at it, it's even like faded like the way it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I said, I have to get this. And I'll be completely honest with you.

I definitely bought it way bigger than I thought I was going to. I was going to say it's like two by three or like. Or like three feet by... It's massive, but I wouldn't change the thing. I absolutely... I moved... Anything that was over there is gone. It owns the wall.

It's got its own special place in the studio. It absolutely owns the wall. And I love it. It's like my most prize possession right now. I love it. I feel like fucking Polly Walnuts. Are you excited for the show? The movie you mean?

Or the movie, yeah. Why do you think I'm doing the rewatch? Well, I just... I know you. I'm season five into the rewatch right now. And I'm just looking through all of the... references to the old days. Yeah.

Because, and there's a ton of them. Yeah. And it plays in, like, there's this one scene in season five when Adriana is talking to, sorry, if you're getting spoiled by the Sopranos now, I apologize. But, like, there's, Adriana's talking to the feds. And she's in it, and she starts talking about how Tony's not really related to Dickie Moldesante. Or Chris Moldesante. He always saw Dickie as a brother, so he calls Chris his cousin. It's Carmel is cousin.

But he always calls him that. So even when you see it in the trailer, when he's just like your nephew, it's not his nephew. Got it. It's not as, it's just, they're not related. I watched it like right when it came out,

or like a couple years after, I guess a couple years after it ended. So I could watch the whole thing. Yeah, because when you told me you watched it in college, I was like, dude, I started watching college.

You were fucking, you were running around diapers of that. Yeah. So I guess I did watch it in college, but it was after a while afterwards. And so I watched it all the way once through, and I think I just need to go back and do what you're doing. should.

I loved it. Before it, you should watch it before the, I can't tell you, and I get it at least once a video for this, people go, because you've been watching it, I started watching it. I started watching it. Oh, yeah. Or people are we watching it? Because the movie comes out on my birthday. Okay.

So my wife is already making a big Ziti, and I'm going to get a bottle of wine, and I'm just going to fucking take my bathrobe and sit with my, I'm probably going to grab a newspaper, even though, I don't know. Do you even do newspapers anything? anymore and I'm just going to go and I probably play the the wake up this morning song right beforehand sit down and nobody will bother me just living your best life I might even watch it here so I can be with the painting you can have someone paint a portrait of you sitting on the couch watching with with the glass of the one I should just take the dude it should take what where is he? I don't

know where is he's sleeping over there he was he knows he's adorable though I love that dog he's sleeping he's sleeping under the uh the hoverboard he's freaking adorable he's adorable he's great has it been good or has it been a pain in the ass because puppies can be a pain in the Column A, column B. Yeah, of course. He's adorable and he knows it. He's a little bastard sometimes. Of course.

He runs, he runs around. He goes under this, this fucker loves to eat figs. He just, he just chews on figs. I'm like, cut it out. And then he does this thing where he's like, he's like, oh, you want to fuck with me? And then he runs. He just pieces out. And then my wife yesterday was chasing.

So there's, you see that little, like, playhouse when you walked in? Yeah. So that's for my, my three-year-old, it's for me. But before it's for my, to get away from it all. Just sit there. Never seen her play eye. No, it's like Russell. It's like Russell Crow,

A beautiful mind. I just sit there's drawing on the walls. But no, and he was eating a fake, so he, he fucked with her, and he started going, like, really fast,

and she started, she said, she looped the house, like six or seven times, and she said, what the fuck am I doing? And she stopped and cut him off and then got him.

But like, yeah, yesterday he was, and he hasn't been peeing or shit in the house, but yesterday he took a dump in the house. And it's like, you know, once out of the three weeks that we've got him, I mean,

that's, that's great. It's pretty good. Yeah. It's pretty good. But he's still, and he sleeps. He sleeps. I mean, he's out cold right now.

That's why I'm able to do this. Yesterday, we were taping a match. I won't say what match it does, but we were taping a match. And he was not in sleep mode. He was in destruction mode. And he's, I hear things falling in the background. Like, he's chewing on wires.

I said, hold on a second. It's like part of being a puppy. So what you got to do? It's part. I mean, the dog is 10 weeks old. Yeah, I mean, Snickers is a very good boy now. He's like almost three. Right.

But a big part of it is that you got to be, you got to be hard on them when they're puppies. It's hard, though, because they're so goddamn cute. And when they whine, if they do a little, like my daughter, my, the oldest today was just like, oh, I just, I heard him, I heard him whine. I felt so bad. I go, he's a con artist. They are. I said, he's a con artist. I said, do not fall for that because that's how he gets you.

Yep. I get you with her. And I, you know what I say to when he does it? Stop it. Yeah, me too. Cut it out. I'm always like, yeah, I used to do the same thing. I was like, knock it off.

No, none of that. Absolutely not. stop it. I do this fake thing now because, like, I've got to, at night, he, again,

he's a great puppy because he sleep, my old one, Taz, who was a fucking lunatic, he used to, wait, he was whining

and he'd bark and at night, he's like, fuck dad, put me me in the bed. I'm not, I will bark until my asshole falls out. Yeah, he's like,

you bring me in that bed. And I, and I, I had no family or anything. I saw as a sucker. I brought him into the bed. Because of Taz. Whatever.

Yeah. But like, with my wife, wife and the kids and I was worried he's gonna be barking so but he doesn't but he goes out he still gets up and I wind up going to sleep on the I sleep on the couch for like the last like two hours of the night so he doesn't wake anybody up because he's because he's Anthony he's moving around so put him on his bed and he does this he was doing this thing where he would get up and he put his legs up on the couch but I do this fake mad thing I'm like I'm not really mad I go

and he goes just like he doesn't know like what the fuck's going on and then he comes back on and he goes oh no no no I go And then he goes, oh, fuck it. And he just goes back to sleep. And it's worked every time. And it's just like fake. And I told my wife, it's like a fake angry thing that I do. And I got to like channel like, oh, you're like not mad.

But it's like, and I'm not scaring him. Right. He's just like, he doesn't know how to respond. No, now he knows like, oh, he doesn't want to play right now. Yeah. This is me. I got to go back to sleep. You're going to have to do that for the rest of your life.

Probably the rest of his life. Yeah, but which is I've been, to be honest, I do that anyway anyway. You know, it's like, how many times you've seen me in the Schmoda? I was like, hey, I was thinking about my character. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. I'm busy, I'm busy, let me alone. Anyway, so you guys have been, I've been pretty great waiting for us to talk about this trailer,

and I know, I know. They ran a trailer today on, or yesterday, rather, when we taped this. The DC fandom trailer dropped about all the stuff that they're going to show. And last year, they took the house down when they, all the stuff that they showed last year was because they did. And it was during the pandemic, and they showed a bunch of trailers and stuff and news, and it stole the internet. I mean, Disney Plus had their thing later on down the line.

Did great. Disney Plus is going to do another one this year, and they'll probably show a whole bunch of stuff, and it'll steal headlines that day as well. But the stuff that DC's got coming out right now, out of all the stuff, I'm very excited about the Batman. Yep. I, when back in Collider Live days, it was myself and Roxy, I thought Pattinson from day one was the,

choice before he got cast Really? Oh yeah, you can go back and watch that episode, Clardolive, they asked us who we wanted

and I said, Pat and some of it. Where did that come from? Dude, the guy's a fucking great actor. I know, so I've heard so many people say this. What is your,

like, movie that I should watch? So the one that, there's two, and I'm just, you know, I'm gonna bring it up because I would never,

I would lose every Shmodown I played right now. My recall is so bad. You just let that part of your brain die once you stop? I want to tell you,

Rover is the one. Yes. When he plays a fireman? No? No? No. No. Let me double check.

Rover, Robert Pattinson, I think that's the one. I don't know why I feel like I've just turned him off in my brain, even though people love him. He's, I know why you turn him off because most people did. Because of Twilight. Because of Twilight. And it's the same conversation I have with Winston when Winston was on the show. He's like, no, no way, never happened.

He can't be. He won't. Mike, dude, you cannot judge the guy. You're essentially as an actor. You're typecasting him. Right. Because you haven't seen him. Something that he did so long ago that made him millions of dollars.

Right. And this movie, dude, watch The Rover. Okay. That's the movie that... I liked him in Tenet. I thought he was fine. Fine. He did a great job for what he was supposed to do.

And he was good in the Harry Potter movie, but he was in... And the other one is, uh, good times, I think it's called, is the one. The Rover. Rover. Oops. I think I maybe saw that streaming recently. You should watch that one. That's, that's right up your alley.

But, yeah, good time is the, is the, is the Robert Pattinson one. So that's the other one. You watch those two movies. And I'll be on board. You'll be on board immediately. So you called it before he even got cast. Rocks and I did. Yeah, we talked because of that movie,

I said this guy, and I remember, because I, to be completely fair, I was also in that same boat of the Twilight Kid when I saw the Rover. And Ellis and I, that's back in the day when we saw everything. Yes, 2014. So we saw everything.

And I remember going, all right, let's see with this guy. And I was like, that fucking kid was good. Like really good. Like, I mean, like, Oscar winning, like, type of act. actor.

Right. Like, he's got the chops. And so I love him in that he's cast in this role. I am excited. And Matt Reeves is another one very similar when I love the first Planet of the apes, the one with James Franco when it came out. And then they, it was, um, Rupert, I always get it wrong. Rupert Wyatt.

Yeah. And Rupert Wyatt was the, was the, um, was the director and he left. And I'm like, come on. They had a director. It's perfectly. like Matt Reeves, I was like the guy that did the vampire movie. And I love Dawn even better than I like the first one. I thought they were, I love that trilogy.

Love that trilogy. I'm a big fan of it. You too. Love it. So when Matt Reeves got put on, I was like, sign me up. Matt Reeves, Patenson as, this is 100% I want to see this movie. It is not the one I want to see the most, though. Really?

How do you not want to see Keaton back as Batman? Oh, okay. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's why, like, they had me with the Batman, but I'm very curious because I've never. been a massive, like people swear by Batman and people love Batman Returns. I hate that fucking

movie. Really? Oh, I think it's so stupid. I'm a big fan of Batman Returns. A lot of people are. Yeah. A lot of people are. I think that the first Batman is a great superhero film. It put Batman on the map as far as films go, but the second one was a Tim Burton movie through and through. Yeah, I mean, that's fair. That's fair for sure. Yeah, and it just, it stopped being a Batman movie. and although I will agree with everyone, Doreena mostly, best catwoman. Oh, yeah. I mean, there's the hands down, without a doubt,

the best cat woman we've ever seen. And Hathaway did a pretty good job, but it wasn't the same thing as Selena Kyle back in the day. No, I like the spin with, because Nolan took that real approach and she's a cat burglar and then how they played into it. I thought Anne Hathaway was very good in the role. I was like in love and terrified at the same time.

Of Hathaway? I saw, no, no, oh, Michelle returns. Yeah, she's, she is the best part of it. And the relationship that they have is, is that part of it that does play, it's like,

the first movie is like, 70% Batman, 30% Tim Burton film. Yes. With, like, with a heavy focus on really, it's honestly, it's really a Joker film even more so than it's Batman. Yeah, it's Nicholson again, yeah.

It's Nicholson. But it still had all those, those moments, right? The second movie is like 70% Burton with 30% of Batman. And I love the Batman stuff inside of it. It's great. Yeah, the Batman's great.

The Penguin is ridiculously silly. He's ridiculous. And walking is over the top as well. But they're both, I mean, again, I kind of love that movie. Most people do. I don't. But those two movies, I both, I love Fiverr and I love Keaton's Batman. He didn't come back to the third best.

One of the best. He didn't come back to the third one because Burton was. wasn't coming back, so he didn't want to come back. And then they were changing the direction. They went more like... They went deeper into the cartoony part, even past Tim Burton. Yes, and see, I was never into the cartoon part of it. I was more of the lure and, like, the Nolan stuff is hands down my favorite stuff.

Yeah, because it feels grounded in like a real, like reality. Yeah, and it did, because Batman was the reason why he spoke to so many people is that he doesn't have superpowers. It's a smart motherfucker used money to do it. and he's got issues and the stuff that he used, he was able to make it work. And I think Ben Affleck did a great job as Batman. I think that, you know, I think Pattinson's going to be really great,

but to me, the Nolan Bale ones are my favorite. But Keaton, he's like the Christopher Reeve of Batman. Yeah, a lot of the time I'll feel like Christian Bale had the best Bruce Wayne. I don't know, but for some reason still,

I think Keaton when I think Batman, just because he's such an OG, he wore the mat, the cow so well. He had a great voice. I'm really excited to see him in the flash. And I know that Affleck's back for, isn't he back? He's coming back too. So I think, so I assume, I think it's, it's that movie also. Is it? I'm not sure. But even if it is, then it, this is where I am, I am, I really am happy with the kind of WCW WWF thing that they have going on with Marvel and DC, because they stayed because you get the Spider-Verse movie and then the No Way Home,

where you're going to have, obviously, Doc Ock and Green Goblin, and you would assume Toby McGuire and Andrew Garfield. You would assume that, and then you still get to see that in the D.C. side of it, and it's not like, it's not one of these things anymore, because I think D.C. has shifted so well over the last, like, five years. I think initially they were going after and trying to compete with Marvel. Now they're doing their standalone things, whether it's Joker and these other things. You've got Black Adam coming out,

which we'll talk about in a second. Yeah, I want to talk about that as well. Absolutely. You have all these different things that they've done. And their structure, they've worried less about chasing Marvel, and they're just focusing on what they have on the products that they have and doing something like this.

This is not them going well Marvel is doing it. So we're going to do it. This is a storyline that they had inside of DC that they've had. And they might have even done it first. I don't know my comic history as much as, you know, Corey or Winston or anybody too. But either way, the fact that they have this going on

with bringing in Michael Keaton, if Ben Affleck, this is, this to me is the most exciting. I would go this one, I would go that one, and then Black Adam, which David,

you're talking about, you're talking about your movie from 2017. I remember being a movie talk talking about Black Adam in like 2014, 2015. Yeah, I remember talking about it back in the day on some,

on Clit of Heroes as well when it was first announced. Yeah, so the thing that I think is interesting about what you're just saying is like, you know, I brought this up a moment ago

about the cinematographer from the flash saying that it's not, a superhero movie that it's more grounded. Did he say that? He said that and he says it has like bigger stakes. It's like grand and it's like more about the story and all that. I just think it's such a weird thing to say because we've seen that superhero movies

with the MCU can be about bigger story issues and like real interpersonal connections. I just thought that was a really, it may be a little weird about the Flash, even though I want to be super excited about it. Yeah, it's hard to say that about the Flash because the Flash has superpowers. He's like, it's a straight superhero movie. You can say that about Batman. He says it's not based in reality, but it's a much more kind of technically complex. I think all the filmmakers are really keen that the technical complexity of the storytelling

doesn't get in the way of just good quality filmmaking. That's different, though. Well, that's only part of it. But he does say that it's not a superhero film, period. He said it's complex with a massive scale, though, like that they're mutually exclusive, which I don't think they are. Well, to be fair, we haven't seen the film yet. Yeah, and I'm going to watch it.

Right. And I think that's, I want to see how that plays in because they've got me on board ready for this one. I'm pumped for it. And Black Adam, I'm absolutely, I mean, he, so Adam Sandler, the late great Robin Williams, there are certain people that I just root for in the business. They could put out, like, there's tons of Adam Sandler movies that are just terrible. I always root for them to do well. I mean, same. I love Adam Sandler. I've met him before. He's a sweetheart of a human being, but he's just, he takes, and even he never met him before, the stuff you read about him, He takes care of his friends.

He's a family guy. Like, it's just, it's impossible not to root for him. The Rock is the same way for me. I root for the Rock. Same thing. Opportunity to, it, it just went a long way to me. Worked with him back in the day. And then when I met him again,

treated me like I was an old college friend. Right. And to be honest, if he even remembered me, probably not. But the way that he, and he does that with everyone. Not just people that are interviewing him. He just did a whole thing recently. There people, I don't know if you saw this on, there was a...

Hollywood Tourist thing. He's a Hollywood Star Tours. They're just driving by and he pulls up. You can have to do it. He could just drove by. He's like, I'm not in the move for this. He didn't do that. Right.

And he did his thing and he just made people smile and made their day. How do you not root for that guy? It's like, you know. I agree, man. I love the rock. I love Dwayne Johnson. Like there's just something about him. It's like you're saying, everyone wants him to win.

And it's because he kind of does have that rocky story. I mean, how appropriate. And he cares. And like you can tell that everyone that works with him has nothing but the best things to say about him other than one person out there in the world, and that's all a lot of, like, who knows about, but that's also just, not everybody's gonna love you.

Yeah. And, but, but it's, it's the question, does the majority love you? And we do. We all do.

I, I am so kind of nervous for this movie. I don't know why. I, I, like Shazam. Yes, I did. I really like Shazam.

I just, I love the rock, but he has, it's been a long time since I've seen something that he's done performance-wise that I'm like, damn, dude. Like, because he doesn't have to.

Faster? Faster? Faster? No. You see faster. Faster? Faster. And Snitch. Faster and snitch are the two

that he, like, the acting chops are. Come through. I mean, because like I remember, was it, does it be cool where he has the great.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's really good in there. It was fun to see him play against type. I, um, I just want to be wowed.

I just want to be wowed by his performance because I know he's got it in charisma. I know he's got the stature for it. I know he's going to be a badass superhero. But like, my favorite things in superhero movies are those moments that bring us back down to reality and remind us like why we care about this person.

And I already care about him as a real human being. So I don't think it'll be that hard, but I want to see that thing, man. Yeah, you know the thing is he's in a tricky spot right now because he's one of the last, I believe, real movie stars out there right now. Now, it doesn't mean that his movies always do massive box office, right? But his name carries a lot of weight as far as, okay, well, the Rock has a new movie. That doesn't happen often anymore. Normally now it's more so about like, well,

Nolan's got a new movie coming out. Patty Jenkins has a new movie coming out. Or these people are working together again. Yeah, and Scorsese has another movie. The director has really kind of taken, that is more of a thing as opposed to, it's either director or it's genre premise. Yeah.

And it's like, oh, there's this crazy sci-fi movie with Emily Blunt coming out. Oh, it's got Emily Blunt in it, and it's this crazy thing that I like, great. A lot of people saw Mary Poppins, what, returns or whatever she was? Right. And it's, but then you look, but then like Jungle Cruise is not necessarily a movie that.

I heard that was good. I enjoyed it. Yeah, I had fun watching it. But it's, it's not one of those movies that, oh, I can't wait to see the Jungle Cruise movie. It's because the Rock and Emily Blunt were in and that's Star Power that happened to do it. And it's, and you got the weight with Disney Plus behind it. And now that they announced Jungle Cruise too, you know, because of that reason. Their chemistry was so good.

So he's got that thing where, you know, he's got the Star Power. So I hear what you're saying. I want to see him do smaller movies and do and focus on that. But right now, he's still getting offered every other movie. And he will for God knows how long. For a while. He's got at least another decade out there. He's got that he's doing a whole bunch of.

And I did this whole report on this show recently, the amount of money that Netflix is paying stars right now. It's insane the money that they're able to pay the stars. And that's why on Monday we put out an episode where we had a conversation of whether or not we thought streaming. same-day streaming of theaters is hurting the business. I watch some of that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So the majority of the fans are against it. And I understand 100%, right? And I still think realistically the 30 to 45-day window is probably the best option for it overall. But streaming is, that's the business now. It is. It's the business now because that's how people take in their material, the smaller movies, all this stuff.

I'm not telling you that theaters are dead. Theaters are never going to be dead. It's just not. I thought at one point maybe they will, but they won't be. Star Wars. Marvel, DC, Dune, movies like that need to be seen in the theater. Now, whether or not Dune's going to do well in the theater,

I don't know. Yeah, because it's a big question word. I'm excited for that one, though. Me too. I mean, how could you not be? Yeah. It's like, the cast is absolutely insane. There's people in it that I didn't even know,

like I forgot that Javier Bardem was even in that movie because the rest of the cast is so stacked. So stacked. It really is. To me, like the whole thing. It's, it's, but also it's crazy because I keep hearing the same thing that you just said. which is a lot of people are like, is it going to do well at the box office?

You know what? What do you think? Why do you think it might do not well? I think that Dune is like a very niche property that a lot of people won't care about. Deneve Lnove is like a name where you and I are like, oh, wow. Yeah, exactly. Where the general public like, wait, which ones did he do again? Oh, but he did that movie?

100%. I kind of like that movie, you know, whatever it is. Oh, he did that one. I always choose my buddy John Pintoo as like the guy is like the average fan who watches everything and loves everything. Has no fucking idea who Deney Villanouva is. No idea. And if I said to him, hey, you know, Dune, I can't wait.

He's like, oh, yeah, I mean, you know who's directing? He's going to go, Tarantino? No, not Tarantino. Nolan? No, not Nolan. Well, then who cares? Then I was like, didn't even know. Who's that?

He did that movie Arrival? Who's in that one? Yeah. And he Adams, oh, I think I remember liking that one, as opposed to us, we've gone back and forth and watched it a hundred times over. Every single thing. Yeah. And, and, you know, you look at Shalamey and Zendaya, excuse me, they are, they have a

poll with a younger audience that I don't know if they, bridge the gap between Timothy Chalmay and Zendaya and Dune. Right. You know, there's a big, there's like 30 plus years there that need to get covered. And then I feel like the other people maybe aren't marketed the correct way, but there's

so many people. Like, how do you focus on Isaac? How do you focus on Brolin? You kind of, so I don't know. It's, while the trailers are really awesome for people like you and me and a lot of people probably listening and watching the show, I do the same thing that you do with your buddy, which is like, well, what about like my family is the exact same thing? Are they going to care? And I

guarantee you, I don't think, I think out of my three sisters and my mom, maybe one of the four will see them with their partner. I know. What I'm wondering here is this, there's a lot of, well, I guarantee you this is what's going to happen because De Neville Novo's already been out there talking about how he doesn't want streaming at all. He doesn't want streaming at all. They're going to blame, if it doesn't do well, they're going to blame it on the same day stream. And so, majority of the people, they're going to blame it on that. That's the first part of it. what I think that they should have done, because they already announced,

announced a Dune television series. Right. It's announced. I think they should have done the TV series first. Put it on HBO Max. Get people excited about it. And you put those budgets, you know you can handle the budget,

and then do a movie. Because then it's like, okay, unless, depending on where it, I think that what they're trying to do, which makes sense overall and whether it's the old school thinking or could potentially still work is, and if it does well,

then they're going to be the ones that obviously were in the right. You put out this movie, you get the hype, you get everybody excited about it, and then you fire into a TV series, right? I just think that you can hype up the TV series first, then jump into a movie. Yeah. You know, because, like, I think Mandalorian should eventually have a movie, right?

Because you've already, now that Mandalorian has established all, like, I would much rather, and I've said this a thousand times over, that I would much rather have, if you're going to do Star Wars movies, make them big episodes or season finale's of the TV series. Okay. Because you're already invested in it. So if you're like, so imagine, have you been watching Mandalorian? No.

I'm one of those people. All right. There's 10 of us. That's, but it's, it's fantastic. I love it. Yeah, I heard. I love it. It's one of my, it's, it bounces back and forth to be, like, my third or fourth, like

favorite in order of stuff. But what I would love to see, whether it's eventually, um, let's say they said, are we're going to announce season four is the last season or season five is the last season. Well, season five is going to end in November. And then in December, the movie, which is ultimately going to be the series finale, comes out. You can only see it in theaters, and then 45 days later, it'll be on Disney Plus. To me, that's a no-brainer. It's so weird because half the properties out there you think, or whatever number of percentage it is,

it's like the TV series before the movie makes sense. But then there's those movies like, you know, Animal Kingdom is a movie I love. It came out in 2010. But I've never cared to watch the TV show. There's a handful of those out there that they've had really great movies. And then actually pretty successful TV shows where I don't. don't care. Right, right.

But then the other side of it, you look at, like, what Marvel's doing, or you look at what Dune's doing, where it's going to be movie first, then series. So I don't, I don't really understand the rhyme or reason. Maybe it has to do with, like, known property,

things like that. But I, I don't know if I would have watched the Dune TV show. Maybe I will watch. That's true. Maybe you'll be inclined to watch, because even if it doesn't do very well, but you love the movie,

then you're going to watch the series. Probably. Yeah. I guess, like you said, there's really no, you take your shot. And because there's only a few movies left on HBO Max for this deal that they got going on for the full year of playing it. It's, it's Dune.

I mean, the ones that I really, many Saints and Newark, people are going to finally be, they're going to be so excited because I'll finally stop talking about the Supranos. I'll talk about many seats in Newark probably for like three, three to five months. I got hyped watching that trailer. So good. I got so excited. I was not as excited for it until I saw the trailer. Yeah. Because there was rumors that there was going to be a movie.

like forever. And then there was the prequel. Then I talked about Johnny Boy Soprano and they talked about everything. I'm like, oh, okay. And then I had forgotten about it, to be honest. And when that trailer hit, oh, it just ignited my love for it all over again.

The music in it, the way it feels, everything, the, the ominous tone beneath it, all of the things. You can tell that David Chase is really involved with it. Yeah. I think it's perfect for an HBO Max release. That one more so than ever because, you know, like you said, if you wanted to, you could do what I'm doing and rewatch all the Sopranos.

And then you get it. to the prequel. I'm crossing my fingers and hoping that that one, I think that one's going to blow up because of the HBO Max thing. I think this is so well on HBO Max. I don't even know if it's a theatrically released movie.

I have no idea. I don't either, but I think people are going to watch it. I think a lot of people are going to watch that shit. That one's going to be so popular on HBO Max. Yeah. I'm crossing my fingers that they make a prequel series. The whole series.

Like a TV series. Let me see Tony Soprano. And you can follow his kid. On his way up. Yeah. Gandalfini's kid is like 18. 19 years old. Let's see, let's see like a couple seasons of young Tony Sopranos. He looks, he's just, I mean, obviously, because he's a kid. I mean, I didn't know it was him at

first. Yeah, but I don't know was his kid at first. Oh, really? The first time I watched the trailer, I was like, who is that? Yeah. I was like, well, no shit. But the thing is it's everything that he does. Because there's not, there are times, there are actors kids, like, oh, is that so-and-so's kid. Like, oh, yeah, yeah, I can tend to see that. Yeah. There's a shot in the trailer. There's two shots. There's one is like, I can get caught with shit like this. And it's like fucking Tony. Yeah. And then there's another shot where he's leaning over the guy after he's,

after he's beating the shit out of him. And it took me back to season one. And he's pummeling the guy in the face. It's like, it's, I can't wait. I'm so, that one,

but then Matrix is the other one. Oh, yeah. I mean, I've heard so much about it. I don't know what to do with my expectations with this one because I'm, two and three stink. Two and three,

they stink. I mean, I grew up in the time. Two could have been okay. Two could have been okay if three was good. Yes, exactly. I was going to say because two,

They just get worse and worse progressively. But, I mean, the Matrix changed my life, right? Like, that made me look at movies a whole different way. I remember going to the theater with my sister. I still remember the first moments when you see Trinity getting away and she jumps through that window. Oh, yeah. Like me, 12 years old, I was just, I couldn't believe it.

So now that so much time has passed, I mean, so much time has passed. You think about what they can do in the fact, like with what Keanu's in his star power. You think about what he's been doing with his training for John Wick. You think about what they can do with the GGI. John Week. Bubba Yega. All of that stuff, I'm so excited, but I also, I don't know, I got let down twice. Can they do it again?

I don't know. What I hope that the Wachowski's don't do this time is get too intricate. Like, even though the first matrix is complex, it's still fairly simple. It's not convoluted. It's complex. Right. Yes. And it's, when you look at it, it's like, okay, I understand.

Because people are, oh, I don't know what's going on. Yeah, you do. He's connected to the fucking thing in the future, but it connects him to this computer. He, it's potentially that he is the chosen one to stop all this shit. That's it. That's really it. That's really it.

The chosen one story and a, oh my God, the second one with all the, the Smiths. The Smiths, the duplications of Smith is now a fire. It's like too much. And then the stupid rave scene and then, and then the third one, and then the third one just goes off the edge. It's all the twins, right? Yeah, it's too, it's too much. It's just, give me simple, but what they're going to have to do, because Trinity is dead and Neo's dead, how did they come back? Because there's other replicator.

I think I have to go back. I recently watched the first one again, and I could watch the first one. It's perfect. I mean, I said recently, last year, but it's perfect. I started watching the second one, and I started watching, I'm like, oh, you know, whatever. And I remember, and I just got bored, and I'm like, now I'm going to go back to it. I do want to rewatch two and three because I feel like you're still going to have to, know some stuff to be like, oh, well, that's, I'm going to revisit it. I'm going to, I'm going to

revisit it. I'm going to watch it again. But anyway, so those, those are the ones, Dune, many Saints and Newark. For me, the one that, I mean, I feel like Batman is obvious when we're, with the DC fandom thing. Oh, the DC one, yeah. I mean, but Black Adam is the biggest question mark for me. I want it to be so good. The Batman? No, Black Adam. I just want it to be so good. Yeah. Batman, I feel like will be great. Yes. It just like with the, Pattinson and how much people are excited about him. Reeves, like you're saying, I love what he's done. Right.

And the trailer looked really badass. It felt like the right tone for me. I just want Black Adam to be great. I feel like it's going to be really good. And I'll tell you, because I think that because the Rock has been attached to this thing for so long, he cares a lot. He cares a lot about it. Yeah.

He really does. And I think that he, and he's going to have the Rock back when he was with WWF, as it was called. When he was a heel, he was a great heel. and he's got that edge to him that if he can bring that edge, we haven't seen that edge what you were talking about earlier with him, we haven't seen that in a bit.

Because Black Adam is, he's not just like you're by the number of superhero, right? He does have the edge, he's kind of a bad ass, yeah. I think he's a bad guy. He's a bad guy straight out. I'm sure he's a bad guy. I don't even know he's an anti-hero.

I think he's a bad guy. Okay. He was, I think, like I said, I'm not going to pretend that I know all this slide here. Well, yeah, but it's it this is this is you know you're not you're not I hope you're not coming to this show when I when I'm on and he's on for comic books I was going to say you're the wrong place I am the wrong guy but and you guys can tell me actually that's one of the things I love about

everybody you can tell me for those people who do know what I assume I they they mentioned him briefly in Shazam where they remember they said when um Jiamenman Hansu saying there was a champion before before you but he he he turned on them he did that was black Adam okay and he and he just was like he basically went to the dark side. He's like dark side Shazam, I think. Okay. I think that I'm into. But anyway, so, and I think because he battled Superman and something, I don't know.

I can be making all this shit up, but, but, but, but I'm, but I'm pretty sure from what I remember talking with Schnepp in the back of the day and having conversations with Koi, that's, that's, because I, I always had this like, what's, what's the, what is this? Right. It's like, I always, like, the, the, the Sebastian Manascalco goes off, he's, why? He's, a guy. who's got a lightning bolt on his chest? What?

What? Wait. And the guy is fighting is called Shazam? Call yourself Superman. You get to the point. Super. I feel like that is me. Anytime anyone talks about this shit.

Yeah. It's like, just tell me. Just brass tax. What you do? He's got super power. Orders. Powers. How do we know them? It's it. Yeah. Let us know in the comments. This is fun, brother. It was good talking to you.

Yeah, man. I'm just good to be here. It's good to see you. Where do people find you? Where are you? Give them, give them the shout. Yeah. Yeah, just, you know, go follow me on Twitter. I do most of my shoutouts on there for when I'm casting esports. I'm so busy with that e-sports stuff. I love it, though. It's still great. You even get a chance to talk about this time. Yeah, yeah, it's all right. We'll do it next time. Yeah, we'll do it next time. Yeah, Clash Royale League. We do our monthly finals. We have our world finals coming up. We might even do it in person, you know, fingers crossed.

I mean, the casters will be, obviously, the players are international. So, yeah, so check me out on Twitter, at Andrew Guy. And, of course, Action Industry is on Patreon on YouTube. We're doing a new podcast. We're going to be talking about what you're doing going back to what you used to do. We're going to go back to the old model of just talking about movies for like an hour, like specific movies like we used to do with Action Movie Anatomy, which we haven't done in years. It is, I miss it.

Talking about things that you love is always a blast. So, yeah, go check it out. I love to having you on today. and we'll do it again soon for sure. And you'll see Andrew. Andrew's been crushing it on the desk for Schmodeon. You'll see him on there doing that as well. One more reminder, guys, October 8th, get your tickets.

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