The Kristian Harloff Show - DEADPOOL 3: Can it save the MCU? | Marvel | Capes and Cowls |

Episode Date: September 22, 2023

PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/TheBigThingShow  In this exciting episode of Capes and Cowls, hosts Kristian, Winston and Coy reunite to discuss the highly-anticipated Deadpool 3 and its potential to inject new life into the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU). The hosts kick off the discussion by highlighting one of the key aspects that makes Deadpool 3 stand out from its predecessors and other superhero films: the incorporation of real locations in filming. With previous entries relying heavily on green screens and CGI, this shift towards more practical and tangible sets promises to bring a fresh and authentic feel to the movie. As the first R-rated MCU film, it opens up new doors for storytelling, unfiltered humor, and potentially introduces a grittier and more mature tone. We also discuss the strikes and the potential end? The budget of The Marvels might be higher then reported. Speaking of The Marvels and Aquaman, can these movies reach 1 Billion dollars like their first installments did? #Marvel #DC #MCU #deapool #deadpool3 #movies #strikes #themarvels

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Hopeful news with the Writers Guild coming to some terms, and maybe this strike is coming to an end. We'll talk about that. Deadpool 3, as you saw in the title of this video, a lot that Sean Levy's been talking about. Director has talking about, some stuff that we've talked about in general on this show with the fact that it's going to incorporate the Fox universe,

but not only for like a gimmick, it's going to be relevant to the overall multiverse of it all, and there's going to be a lot of stuff that's not, It's not green screen. It's a lot of real location. So we'll talk about all that and more. Budgets for movies. They've been going up, skyrocketing.

So people were curious when they were, well, look, the Marvels is a movie that's coming out. It seems to be a lower budget. That's great. Mike and I talked about that the other day. Well, hold on. Not so fast. It seems like maybe that budget is bigger than expected or maybe not. We'll talk about that.

We haven't talked about Aquaman. We haven't talked about anything. We've been talking about tons of stuff because my gentlemen have not been here. Well, they're here today. That's right. Winston and Coy are back on the show, everybody. So make sure that you watch, comment, all that and more. If you haven't already done it, we're at 93,000.

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anywhere podcasts are found. It's capes and cows, baby. It's big thing. Let's do it. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. Caps and cows. Cajandro. Winston, hey, Marshall.

Winston, two legs. He's got his two legs back. Look at it. This is that wide. Look at it. How's that been for you? That's chill. We don't really have Zoom.

Otherwise, I show you all the scar. I'm good, man. I'm still in, I'm still in PT, so we're not at 100, but I'm walking around and I'm driving. He walked in my birthday. First time I saw him mobile.

I just realized you hadn't seen me walk in. No, it was a moment. It was a gift. It was nice. It was a real cool thing to see it. It was like we walk in the front door. Well, it's a real cool thing to see you guys. It's good to have you. It's good to have you in studio. We talked about it and we

kind of, as we said on top of this intro too, it looks like the right. are coming to some kind of a deal. Maybe the thing that was, like I said, again, beginning, by the time we released this, we might have more news. We don't know. But as of Wednesday, they went into the room,

and something Winston that we haven't heard a lot of is that both parties were happy. That hasn't happened yet. The first time the studio was like, oh, yeah, we're happy. We give them a great deal. Don't you love that deal? And they're like, no, this deal sucks. So disrespectful.

It sucks. Now, this is what I said on yesterday's show with Brett, and I want to see what you guys both think with this. Because Brett was like, I don't know, maybe the writers are caving. I said, no chance. And I said, this is the studio going, hey, guys. You know that report that came out that essentially said that had we just right off the top done this deal, would cost us like 60-something million, but now we've lost close to, you know, more than half a billion? Yeah. Maybe we should stop hemorrhaging money, and let's just give them that 60.

It's that weird thing that happens, and I feel like I've learned the hard way, having been in a relationship for a long time, where you think, you know what? I'm going to wait you out. You eventually going to realize that you done F-ed up. And that's when you slowly realize that, no, she's always right. And that maybe you're a little off base here. And so then you kind of come hat and hand. I think a conversation's always worth having. I think a dialogue.

Baby, I miss. I can't say the T word on here, can I? You haven't been gone that long. You're still in the rules. It's been a while. I just don't know if that's a swear. The rules have changed. I just don't know if that's a swear.

I don't know what the word. Well, I was like, I was like, hey, girl, I missed them titty. Oh, that word. So you're going to say it anyways. Now we'll know. Do you know many times I had to mute? Do you know how many times I had to mute Mike Kalinowski on Wednesday?

Just space whale talk. He gets real upset that guy about space whales. Well, he likes the space walls. Oh, they've grown up. No, his new rant was earmuffs on, uh, about Hera's earmuffs. He was screaming about them. It was hilarious and like, watch. Anyway, it's another thing.

But are we, are we hopeful? Because of the lack of context, I'm hopeful. Because it didn't seem like it was an optics game. It didn't seem like a PR move. Right. The fact that we only heard, yeah, we'll both acknowledge we met is the most hopeful. And they're right back in the room. Right.

If either one side had said like a statement beyond that, then I wouldn't believe it was real. Because then it would feel like one side was trying to show strength or weakness or whatever. But I honestly think the lack of PR spin makes me feel like I have confidence to the first time since the strike. It's the only thing that I am hesitant about is because what has been used throughout both of these strikes has been the studio since most of them own. the publications. Tedline being like, blah, blah, blah. Keep trying to leak stuff. It's not good for them to straight up

just be like, we're almost done. I think it's better to be like the negotiations are moving. So until we... But that's what they've been saying. They have. I'm saying, until we start hearing the WJ straight up be like, yo, guys, this is it. I think we still need to just be reticent because they've been using the media

to try and manipulate this from the start. There's also the Twitterification of everything where it's like, unless it's on fire, it's not real. So it's like Twitter reads like things are going well and they're like, it's over, just because, like, that will get it moving. And I think that's the problem with the optics of anything is unless something's at an 11, people ignore it. Like, I think a good movie now is harder to make than a great movie because if it's just good, no one watches it. But that's why I agree with what you said just now, according to the fact that, like, if it was just that meeting and then, you know, the trades go, well, apparently it went great.

It went great. I'm like, what are the writers saying? Yeah. But if both sides are gone, we're hopeful. And then the fact that they go, we were going back again to the top. And like I said, by the time this comes out, you might have more information than we do right now as we're talking about. It might be good. It might be bad.

But I was initially saying, you know, even a couple days ago, that we're looking at January. If this is as hopeful as we hope it to be. It's still one. I will say this. I always thought that it would have been more important for the WJ to get their deal first, not just because they've been striking longer. But I think you're dealing with, while in my opinion, a more like, Sound has their stuff together union, a smaller one, obviously, because dealing with all those actors, I think also from the standpoint of like, there is an easier path that the studios wanted to go full emperor to try and force AI in a situation for the writing than it is to immediately jump to the image capture of the actors. It would take some time and all that kind of stuff to do that.

So I always thought it would be better for them to get their deal first. The big question is, is that once this is done, do the studios immediately move into trying to fix things with SAG? We still can't film. So I feel like, you know, it's still hemorrhaging money. I feel that they feel it's going to be easier for them to come to a deal with SAG than it is the writers. Because, as you said, first of those, I'm going on longer. Second, they know that SAG's in solidarity with the writers that they're pretty much saying,

figure them out first. And let's then get to the table. Whatever, because also, Sags is also going to use that and say, okay, well, we know that you gave them this, this, this, this. That's what we're asking for, and we're also asking for this. And they need the actors. They've even said it, like, you know, and this is not saying anything against the writers, obviously,

but they need the actors in their mind more so than they need the writers. That's, you know, I don't think that's, for right now to promote. To promote, that's what they need. Oscar season is here. That's what I mean. So they need them, like, that piece in order to, I should rephrase that as, in order to resume business, they need the actors, because they, like, they did,

when the writer's strike was still going on, business was still moving because they were using the actors and everything. Has anything done well box office-wise? Because, I mean, Barthammer and Barbie, but that was at the very beginning of the SAD strike, so they had time to promote. They have because it's also. I don't think anything's done well without promotion.

No, no, no. They have, but there have been smaller budget movies, right? Like, you look at there as, there's a few, I mean, the Nun two did, really well over a season because again it costs like $36 on a bag am and else and it's like and that's also not based on marketing that's going to be based on people that want to see the nun

yeah but it's also got a built-in audience I think it's the strategy of but you didn't spend a million dollars you didn't spend a billion dollars or 300 million dollars to do it and these different things so like the other question is has there been a movie to perform that has like a big budget huge thing and it hasn't because even a movie like

grand turismo which didn't necessarily do That's already come out? Yeah, it did $100 million, though. It did $100 million. Off of what? I think it's going to make a little bit of a profit. Okay. It didn't cost, I mean, but again, it's not, and you're looking, even Blue Beetle, which word of mouth, well, maybe if they're lucky, break even, maybe on a movie that was supposed to be made for HBO max.

Okay. Still barely breaking even's rough. But it's not as rough as you think when you take into consideration. There was no promotion. There was no promo. It was a lesser known character, and it only cost $120 million. If that movie costs $200 million, then it's a big problem. And word of mouth, it will really help it.

And I think that the love for Sholo and certain other, and people that were in it getting out there helped it enough. But imagine if they'd had to, like, promoted it. I know. I think it would have profited with. I don't know. I mean, I think that $20 million bump would have been in the problem.

It would have helped. It would have. It's interesting because you still have to put out some promotions. There is still a marketing budget, but it's just not as inflated as having to pay everybody to go to all these different, like, you know, interviews, events, etc., etc., right?

But it's one of those situations where I think if Blue Beetle had had that promotion, I do think it would have done a little bit better. I agree with it a little bit better. I mean, whether or not

it would have jumped it over, who knows, but I mean, and I still, we've talked about it many times over and we'll have to keep rehashing it, but like something like Black Adam, which made 400 or whatever it did,

and something along 400, 410, or maybe close to it, whatever. People say it broke even, it made a little money, it lost just a little bit. If that movie costs $120 million, if you give the rock more as far as back end, and you give whatever you,

and make some more real locations and cut down on the VFX, that movie could have easily made a profit, easily that they paid way too much money, overspent Indiana Jones, another one, overspending, overspending, overspending. So, yeah, but as far as the promotions out of, there are movies that are out there making money.

I mean, even at the top, I'll go to the box office for last week. All right, box office last week was the Nun 2, which made 14.5, haunting in Venice, again, did well internationally. Equalizer 3 is another one that did fairly well. Equalizer 3, we'll use that as an example, right? Equalizer 3 made 133 worldwide. Now, if I'm going to guess the equalizer's budget, I'm going to say 60 to 70 million. Let's see, Equalizer 3 budget is. 70 million.

Wow. You cheated. I guarantee you to get that up before we got it. I swear to you, I didn't because what cost money there? Denzel and filming days. Like that's... Denzel, Fouqua, the filming,

real locations, it's a small movie. That's the type... Those types of movies are making a comeback. Yeah, which I'm so happy about it. Yeah, me too. Like I miss a nice mid-budget thriller. And the fact that everyone's excited for Fincher, Scorsese, Michael Manned, all have movies this year.

The fact that those guys haven't had a movie, the same year since 95. Crazy. When we like, like this feels like a chore cinema mixing with blockbusters in a way that I've been saying

we need because I think the blockbusters still do bolster the exhibition industry, keep movie theaters open. But if the theaters are open at scale, then you can have killers the flower moon do well. Then you can have,

the killer doesn't need to do exceptionally. It just needs to come out while people are excited about movies. Agreed. I just want to know but Scraise does get himself into that problem

of overspending sometimes. Also, a four hour runtime is got to be real hard to run a lot. So I have a friend. who saw it, and I don't want to say the person's name because I don't know if they're not to talk about it, but like, but again, Matt says masterful, masterful. I can't wait, but three hours, 40 minutes means you can play it twice to three times a day. For real.

Like, that's rough. I don't watch movies that long. I know. I get it. I refuse. Like, there's a reason why Kill Bill was splitting it two parts. There's a reason why Infinity War and Endgame were split into two parts. And those are both three hours long.

Like, I, why? Well, you haven't seen a movie yet. I understand that. But like, it is already hard enough. And I know Scorsese knows better than anybody. It's already hard enough to get an audience's attention. Yeah. Let alone to get them to go sit down to see your thing in the first place.

You are really playing with fire to be like, I'm going to make you watch a four-hour movie. I don't think he's appealing to 20-somethings though. I think he's appealing to his demographic, which is willing to sit. In the theater, though, it's trickier. Because, like, look, I'm a Scorsese mark, man. I, I, I, but I'm going, who, that's a, that's a night. I don't.

That's a night. I don't need half a workday to see a movie. I know, I know. That's insane. But what I will say is this. Enjoying them at home, I can watch like Snyder Cutt. I don't watch them at home. The movie that I watched the other day just started,

I've never seen it before. Babylon. That movie is crazy. Yeah, I really like Babylon a lot. You got slept down, man. That movie is fun. So I haven't seen, the first 30 minutes is the opening. It's a three-hour movie.

It's a long movie. But it's a, like, legit. Yeah. Like, it's great. It literally is a party for the first. And then before the 30 minutes ends, it goes, Babylon. Right. My wife and I'm like, that's the intro.

Oh, wait a minute. You're talking about the movie that came out last year with Margar Ruff. I saw it in theaters and I saw it like three weeks in and it already wasn't doing that well because it never did that well. And there was like seven people in the theater. And I remember when Babylon came on screen at like the 23 minute bar. I went, oh. And like, it was 28 minutes. It was deep.

And I remember I just made like a second. I was like, oh, I'm not worried. No one's in here with me. But I remember it was like affecting enough that it was like, and like no one saw it. And I was yelling to the void. Made by Top 20 last year. No,

I don't know. I don't know where it goes past the, because I just get to the movie set where I am at right now. I love that you, it's been out a year and no one talked about it to the scale. You're like, I don't know what the movie is. Like everything's ruined on the third day.

It's out. You're like, nah, not this movie. I had no idea what it was. And I like Damien Chiselle a lot. But I'm watching my wife and her like, this is a crazy movie.

And so far, I really enjoy it, but I got to see the rest of it because it might, maybe that's what happens. But anyway. I saw 110 movies last year. It made my top 20. It's in the top fifth of movies, but no one saw it. No, but it's another thing, though. You're putting out a movie at that point. That's three hours long.

Nobody knows what the hell it is. And it's like, you know, it's a crazy movie. But anyway, but I bring up the practical effects. I bring up all that stuff. And I bring the scaled down stuff because Deadpool 3 is in the news. Yeah. Very similar to that. Let's talk about it.

All right, Deadpool 3. Director Sean Levy confirms that the threequel will explore the Fox Marvel Legacy. Deadpool 3 director, Sean Levy, has confirmed that the upcoming MCU threequel will not ignore the now-defunct 20th century Fox era of Marvel-based films. Deadpool 3 is going to be a first for the MCU in more ways than one. Not only will the three-quel be the first ever Marvel Studios are rated release, but it will also incorporate several characters from the now-defunct 20th century Fox era of Marvel-based movies into the MCU, though it's worth mentioning that Dr. Strange in the Multiverse of Madness did feature Patrick Stewart's Charles Xavier in an alternate universe set sequence. The movie's main duo, Wade Wilson, and Logan, obviously started out under the

Fox Marvel banner, and even though they will become a part of the MCU in Deadpool's latest adventure, Sean Levy has confirmed that the Fox legacy will be part of our story tale. Levy says, Deadpool and Wolverine are iconic Marvel characters, more specifically iconic Marvel of the Fox era characters. We're not going to pretend, oh, we snap our fingers and suddenly the Fox legacy doesn't exist. And it shaped a lot of what we know in the MCU. Fox also shaped Ryan's career, Hugh's career, my career, there's a lot of history there, and there's a lot of Marvel history at Fox, and that's part of our storytelling. There have been numerous reports relating to certain characters making cameos,

not only from X-Men and Fantastic Four, but even the likes of Channing Tatum as Gambit, who never got to make his debut before the plug was pulled on his solo movie. So far, the only confirmed appearance outside of Reynolds and Jackman is Jennifer Garner's Elektra. But if she is involved, you can bet there is some other names that we heard of that will be showing up. Specific lot details are made of mystery for now, but Wade and Wolverine are expected to find themselves trapped in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

So there's a lot of different things here, but there's also some more stuff that we can talk about up top. But before we even get into this, do you know that we did a, when we were talking about Deadpool, I don't know if you saw this, We did a short based off of the thing you talked about when they cut the budget down. Yeah. So that short alone on YouTube has done 8 million views. On Instagram, it did like 2 or 3 million views.

Damn. On the budget? Do I remember? When I was talking about how the scene in the cab, when he left the guns on the cab, they had to save the budget because they said... That did 8 million? 8 million views on YouTube. On Instagram... Deadpool's popular.

It is. I think this Deadpool guy's going to make some money from Marvel. I think they're smart to double down on Ryan Reynolds. And I think that if we can make an $8 million view thing on YouTube, their marketing's lost. Unfortunately, it was a short, so it made zero sense. I could have used that. Then I could have monetized.

A short? A short? You either need, you either need what the rubric now is either 10 million views on a short 90 days or, I think it's like 4,000 watchouts. hours over 365, something like that. I'm sure you're saying. Yeah. But anyway, the reason I bring out of a TED pool.

Unfortunate. Well, anyway. Yeah, whatever. Sorry. Oh, we're gonna hit our hard to get in this channel. What am I'm talking about? Hey, hey, hey, you're the, you're the one that you want to talk about stuff for...

That's true. Didn't want to, bitch? Or couldn't? Those are two completely... No, no, speaking to that, speaking of that, though, because people are gonna be asking that as far as there's, because there's, as we've talked about many

times over and I just talked about somebody this recently and as I've made very clear up top I am all for and think that both the writers and the actors should get everything that they're asking for they've been fighting an absolutely incredible fight they're deserved everything they're fighting for and I do think that there has been some and also because they've been very preoccupied with other things there's been some tricky information when it's come to this space as far what people can talk about what they can't talk about I've had a lot of people have feedback about the episode that myself, Dan, Roxy, and Kate did, and how that was very helpful in an understanding, too. I got an email back from SAG that said critique is allowed.

Critique is something that they're not considering crossing the line, and if it's a critique show, the way that I look at it also is that if you guys are coming on this show and we're talking about news and editorials and things of that nature, and I'm paying you to be here, for the day that you're on this show, you are a paid critic. You're not a paid critic on deadline. You're not a paid critic on variety or whatever, too, but you're a paid critic. And if it's a legitimate, my show is certified on Rotten Tomatoes, my show is part of the BFCA. Like, it is.

It's a professional show, whether people, you know, because we're talking about farts or whatever, it is. And that's the thing that I think was tricky to you guys. And even Coy was like, look, as long as it's like, if it's, when you're out there promoting on social media as far as like, you know, look, this film, I'm going to see, I'm going to the premiere, I'm going to that. That could be looked as promotional. It could. When you're on there talking about what you think about the particular thing, is it a good move? editorializing is the word I finally heard back from SAC. Like it took a bit because they're busy.

But editorialize is like what we are doing and that was the all clear to editorialize things that aren't like we're just saying go see this thing. And social media versus YouTube are also tricky lines because this is long term, long form editorialization. And I think YouTube was considered promo material when the internet was even younger. They're still learning it. This is all what 10 years old? I mean relatively. People still don't know even though it is so young still YouTube and all that. They see YouTube.

They think cat videos. They think these things. They don't realize that it's a lot of money. And it's a lot of place where people get their media and their news from and certain things like shows. There was a movie I was watching and they looked up something on TikTok instead of Google. And I was like, oh, I think it was bottoms where instead of Googling something, they TikTok something. And I was like, oh, I'm already the next old. It's becoming a thing.

I mean, you really want to feel old. Kids these days don't understand what changing the channel is. To the point where the only word channel that they are familiar with, with are YouTube channels. They don't understand the idea of a TV channel. And there was some story that went viral, ironically, on TikTok, of a millennial who

with their kid was like, can we go to grandmas and watch the random thing? And they're like, what are you talking about? It's like, you know, you press a button and then a random thing comes on. You don't decide it. And she was like, oh my God, you mean TV? Because everything's streaming now. So if you want to watch, you want to watch it. You want to watch it.

I mean, go back to the 70s TV. It's a lot. like TikTok kids you just scroll it's hoping to best you said it happens all right so let's talk about this quote so this first part because there's another Deadpool story as well as far as he has he got he got deeper into it about locations and and all but the MCU part of it the fox this is something you said you knew it was seven years ago from the beginning yeah um but what also what I really liked about this story was the fact that it's not they there have been like gimmicks as far as oh look at so-and-so that just showed up this see seems to be a big plot point overall that not only is going to be part and crucial to the story

itself, but is also going to finally get us, oh, well, that's what this multiverse thing is that they're talking about. So what do you think? I think we talked about it on this show. One of the things people don't remember about Deadpool 1 is how much heart is in it. And I think there's going to be a really key element of the end of the Fox universe is going to get its due. I know we give the MCU a lot of very due credit for the superhero wave, but I think there's also due love to be given to what Fox brought us. It elevated when we had just Blade followed by X-Men

and Spider-Man. That was this beautiful bubble that caused all this stuff to first start, but Fox then ran with that baton. Like, if you look at the relay race that is superhero stuff, Fox had that baton for quite some time. The X-Men movies did really well. Daredevil, though it wasn't beloved, did push things forward. It caused Ghost Rider to

exist. There was a time they were going to make a Secret Wars movie with just Fox characters with Ghost Rider Fantastic 4 X-Men. There was a big crossover event a la Infinity War planned with just Fox characters. So this is a universe that was almost shared before the MCU did it. There's a deleted scene in Fantastic Four where he morphs his face, Mr. Richards, Mr. Fantastic Reed Richards,

morphs his face into Hugh Jackman because it was going to be like that shared universe stuff before this all did it. So I think there's this really justified how did this end so unceremoniously within the filmmakers. I think that new mutants got really screwed over by having it come out. like 10 different times delayed in weird different formats and then the pandemic really like buried that nail. I think having the X-Men, uh, Dark Phoenix be the end of the

X-Men saga by remaking a movie they'd already already failed to make by having the writer do his directorial debut. Like there's a lot of things that really made the end of Fox sullied. And I think it's really smart to use your most profitable character low budget, high profit, and a character that can break the fourth wall that can know he's in a multiverse saga that can

acknowledge all these things by doing Kill the Fox universe, not just be comedic in making the multiverse work, but actually plot driven, allow a multiverse to feel like it has weight. The issue at the MCU right now is that it doesn't feel like there's weight or substance or ramifications. If you suddenly have a universe die with beloved characters tying us into our love and nostalgia, tying us into a fourth ball breaking character, tying us into something that we didn't get to mourn, you can allow weight and an all rating push through and a character we've been

wanting and all these characters get their due before you inherently and inevitably bring in a new wave of X-Men. to say by to the old ones. Deadpoles up her place to do it. And I'm glad it's Sean Levy because he has heart and comedy mastered. Very excited. Winston, I will tell you. It's correct. Yeah, I know.

I will tell you that that was three months of being off the area. A thousand percent. Bottled up into one fall. I miss capes and cowls. It's sitting inside me waiting. I was sitting here. I was like, oh, right, this boy can talk. But as much as I agree with that sentiment, I will also say all of it.

There's more? But all of it was fact. No, no, that's the thing with you. You somehow can be, like, there's some people that will talk, and you're like, when is this dude going to stop? But I'm sitting here listening to you going, yeah, right? Yeah, it's like fact after fact, after fact. I try not to be redundant.

No, no, that was a, it was fantastic. It was fantastic, and you're 100% right of everything that you just said as far as how the gravitas and the weight behind it. But Winston, I'm curious of what you think when it comes to Fox and how they're going to play with this. And because we have been missing some. stuff, as Koi just said, with Marvel, that there hasn't been that kind of, there hasn't been a lot of weight to it.

No, there hasn't. I think the two closest that we've got out of that were Waukonda Forever and Guardian 3. And you could make the argument minor moments of Love and Thunder. I know overall is a film. It didn't do well, but no, no, I know. But the things that went down with Natalie Portman seriously, I think that that that, that did have some gravitas. And that's part of the problem.

I don't, I think not everything has to be about death for sure. But knowing that that was the theme that they were going with is dealing with grief, dealing with loss since we had that major loss at the end of end game. There hasn't been an anchor. And I understand that you do need to build things up. We're trying to figure out where this is all going. I guess the part that makes it hard to focus on loss and grief like that

you have to already have a connection to what's going on. So to make that the central focal point while trying to introduce a bunch of new characters is a little tricky. Sure. You know what I mean? It would be one thing

if everything was a Wanda vision, if everything was a Wakanda forever, and it really is that, but it was like, we're going to talk about grief, but while introducing you to Shang Chi. And I was like, good movie, but I'm like, okay. And like, you know what I mean? Like, Spider-Man worked because it's the same thing.

We were giving our full goodbye homage, but it's just very weird to be on a negative trend of a thought process when you're trying to begin again. Sure. Well, look, one of these things with Deadpool 3 is that it, it obviously the object of resetting with the Fox Universe and I'll let two. But it's essentially could be a reset of the MCU.

And I don't mean a reset from going back to the beginning. I'm talking about from where we are today, the idea, and as we're going to put in the title of this video, if Deadpool 3 can save the MCU, right? Because it doesn't have that kind of, you know, everybody cheering and getting ready, like your favorite team is going to win a championship. I already know what's about to happen.

I think I can take it an even more specific step further than what Koi was saying, and that that will probably be the fourth wall break that Deadpool ultimately does as he goes, in order to save the MCU, I have to kill the MCU. And that's ultimately what it's gonna be. I think honestly,

not only is it going to write the ship, but look at the timing. It's incredible. Not only has everything led to this in the business side of things because Ryan's been half coming back to Deadpool for so long, but this is when Chepex out,

Igers back in, which is something that is going to be slowing down the volume of content. Kevin Fagie is, even though right now, things in Marvel are not as good as they've been is known for writing ships when he looks at the fans and leads things astray. All of the movies we've had lately have been under the Chepek era.

We've got the Marvel's coming out, which I think was like half and half, but Captain America 4 filming now, Deadpool being the thing that really writes the ship because it got moved forward. I don't think it's coming out in that date anymore, but I think it's still going to be the first of this new wave. I honestly think that Deadpool 3 is not only going to be timing-wise the first R-rated movie, the thing that shows the multiverse to be actually weighted and stuff, but it's the first thing where I think Kevin Feige's had the time to be like, okay, we messed up here, here and here. We've got this multiversal character with fourth wall breaking that can solve it.

It has the inherent nostalgia of cameos built in. It has the weight of a dying universe. It has all the things you need to write the ship. And it allows a back door into secret invasion post-Loki. This is the perfect storm of there's only one way to fix this and it's my boy. Like, I think this is great. The only thing I will say, and I do think it will do what it needs to be done, the only thing I will say that would just want be careful and I know that these are two completely different studios and completely different

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being photographed fighting on Norfolk Beach in the UK, which only be acknowledges the leak being an unfortunate cost of doing what they're doing. He says it bums me out that photos have been leaked online, but this is the price we pay for committing to relocations. I made a decision very early in prep that even though Deadpool is now in the MCU, I didn't want another Marvel movie shot on a green screen stage with digital set extensions. With the production on hold,

Lovie says he is understandably frustrated but feels bad for his colleagues on screen who have to keep eating obscene amounts of protein. It is still, you know, boiled chicken 17 times a day. Deadpool 3 was previously stated from May 3rd, 2024. The new date is unknown. All right, lots in that alone. the first part is another reason why I'm so excited for Deadpool as we talked about in the beginning now one of the things that you had the concerns with when you mentioned like the flash right you said

that they said this could be the thing that resets it all the one thing that the flash didn't really have is yes the flash was in other movies but didn't have other movies to kind of continue over the way that like Guardians 3 had guardians 3 had the boom boom boom right Deadpool has already hit hard twice with one and two and people are excited to see him, they love the character. And to go back what we were talking about earlier also, even though there's going to be some heavy themes and everything inside of it, Deadpool, it's

Ryan Reynolds. It's going to be a lot of comedy. It's Sean Levy. There's going to be a lot of comedy involved in it. We know that. It's the balance. There's going to be a lot of jokes between Wolverine and Deadpool, and there's going to be a lot of comedic moments. That's for sure. It's the balance of it all. But it's such a proven

commodity at this point. And the idea for me, when I'm invested in any television, show because the MCU, one of the main things that was a big attraction, it was a television show. You'd have to go see the next one, to know what the next, what's going on in the next one, even though they say, no, you don't, sure you do. It hasn't felt that way recently.

And now going into this one and knowing that finally, they're talking about this multiverse thing, and the only multiverse one that really, even though Dr. Strangers was called Multiverse a man, this didn't really, it's kind of all over the place. No Way Home? Yeah. That had something to do with it. What if

in different scenarios and maybe if they would actually combine the thing that happened with Ultron. But this, this could really lead us to Secret Wars. This really could lead us in general. So the idea that they're doing that and playing that out and doing it on practical effects and doing it on real locations, like that's another way. Scale down, granted, it's going to take a little longer to shoot,

and you're probably still going to have an inflated budget because you have so many people in this one. It's a third movie. You've earned it at this point. You know what I mean? Well, well, didn't Indiana Jones earn it? It's been five movies. Very different situation.

He was out of the limelight for a long time. I think the other thing that will help, to be honest with you, you just saw the mentioning of using real locations and pulling back on the VFX. The VFX will be there for the superpowers, but you're, you were in turn attempting to eliminate as much green screen as possible. That is going to save a decent amount of money. So, yes, it's still going to be a large budgeted movie. but I don't see it hitting the $25,300

because you're pulling back on a lot of what would have inflated that in the first place. Sure. And it's like one of these things where you're also, I believe that they're going to really concentrate on the story of it as opposed to, well, you know, let's just hire the VFX team and just throw a whole bunch of effects. They'll eat it up, like, you know, empty calories, there you go.

And I do feel like this is going to, there's going to be gimmicks. Let's not, let's not call it anything, but there's going to be some gimmicks in it, but it's not going to be all gimmicks. It's not going to be just, well, there's so-and-so because Gambit's showing up. It's almost like the move they did. Now, it's a spoiler now for the Flash.

If you haven't seen the Flash, you've been worn, fast forward past it. Okay, spoiler, great. It's almost like that end of the Flash with Nicholas Cage and all those types of things is that, to me, after watching, I've seen the movie now three times, right? Now, when that scene comes up at the end,

it's still like, they're just, oh, yeah, look at that guy. They don't interact at all. It doesn't change the plot. It doesn't really changing. It's just like, oh, look at that guy. And then it's like, but what is it now? Now, is that going to be the same kind of thing for this? Or is it going to be one of those moments like, no, there's a reason why they're all here.

There's a reason why in general. What you need to do is you need it to be very X-Men first class. I need to be able to see Hugh Jackman in a bar. Hey, we're putting together. Go yourself. And that's it. That was enough to give me the nod and the little gimmicky of Wolverine is in this. But it was relevant.

But it was relevant. It actually added character development for Logan and even with with Magneto and Charles to go, hmm, okay, do we need to change our approach with some of these? Like how do we, because it was a part of that whole sequence of them trying to find what mutants to be a part of. I think he was the last one before the song sequence like ended or whatever it was. I think if you do some stuff like that and that might be what we get out of some of it, it might literally be Gamut being like, oh, there's Gamet. And then just like keep going. that would in a turn kind of work, because then you might even have a situation

where Channing Tatum is like, like me trying to get this off the ground the whole time. Like it's a direct nod to the fact that you couldn't do anything with it, you know? And I think it'll serve the plot to have multiple Wolverines. I think it'll serve the plot to have like these multiple stories to add weight to the multiverse idea. So I think in having cameos,

it will help the story not hinder it like having a dismissive cameo. And I think this is the right movie to do it. I also think that what he's describing with practical sets and all those things. I honestly think this could make, and this is a big statement, but this could make Secret Wars better. I agree.

Because if you build, I think honestly, I think the end of this movie, the post-credit scene is going to be them stuck in Battleworld. And I think they're going to be trapped. And I think we, that way you don't have to have Deadpool in a couple of movies. You don't have to have Wolverine in a couple movies.

I think we keep Hugh Jackman as Wolverine through whatever next wave is into secret invasion, I mean, secret wars. And then Secret Wars basically is going to end the MCU as we know it, allowing whatever cherry-picked characters they want to keep. That happens in comics all the time. New Avengers evolve.

You bring characters in and back. But then you start the new universe with a new Wolverine. But I think we end Deadpool with a new established realm of reality. I'd call it Battleworld because that's what they do in Secret Wars. It's run by Dr. Doom. He orchestrated stuff. And Secret Wars won in 1984. It's run by the Beyonder.

We'll talk about it more as we get closer. But what I would do is establish what it looks like with practical. And then Secret Wars, the standard is going to be looking good. Well, what do you think of it? You mentioned this the Wolverine portion of it, right? There's been rumors and things too. How many Wolverines do you think we're going to see in this? Do you think we just get...

Like 20. You think we get a ton. I think every rumored Wolverine casting is going to cameo. Which would be interesting. And then that gives them another year or so to actually cast the real one in the X-Men. So there's rumors about that. But I want to, what were you going to say? I think you're going to get your Wolverine casting by the end of the move.

I think you're right. I don't think Hugh Jets. I think Hugh said last ride, baby. and he was, he's down to do that, because he had said before all this happened, he was tired of doing this. And it's not that he didn't love the character. He's like, I am tired of eating nothing but chicken every single day, dude, this three-month gap. He, I guarantee you, I'll put money on that. I think that by the time this is over, Hugh was done.

So I think maybe you have some sort of portal, battle world, whatever, and he's like, oh, you know, Ryan Reynolds is like, I mean, we and Logan will take care. You turn over and there's tearing energy. And you're just like, wait. So that's a great point because this is one of the rumors that's out there. It's the fact that they're, you've heard about Daniel Radcliffe. You've heard about Taryn Arrigan, Arrigan, which are trying to have all these different Wolverines that are potentially showing up. One of the rumors that I found fascinating that I think actually would be really interesting

if they did it this way was, that they would essentially introduce to you who the new Wolverine was. But by the time the movie ended, you don't know. You don't know who it is. It's like, he's in there. Like the real Wolverine is in there, but we're not telling you which one is yet. I love that. That's really.

I love that if that's the case. That could be funny. I mean, what would be, what would probably end up happening with all the different Wolverines is you will get some sort of connection to one of the other castings, a fantastic four person, some other X-Men, et cetera. And so you might, you might even get it when, you know, me and Logie are going to take care of it. And he's just off camera and he looks over, like, you're not what the, and like that. So maybe you don't see them, but that also gives you the nod once you figure out who that

is what everything involved in their universe is actually being put forth. There's so much to even talk about and the next one, you know, we'll talk about it's the date because it's scheduled to come out in May. Now is there a world at all that it could

still come out in May? Hell no. They said they were half done filming. I do think one of the perks would be they've had time to edit whatever half they've filmed. Obviously it's not chronological but they've been able to fine tune it. I think this will be the best case of additional photography ever where if they filmed half They can see what works, but doesn't go back and film the other half.

That doesn't plate the budget because they're going to have to play around. But I think this still could make a late summer release. I don't see how May could work. Okay. There's no way with May. Just because, again, A, we don't even have a remote idea. We're hoping, but we don't have a remote idea when this is actually going to end and be a lot of what has already been kind of discussed and what ends up happening with the industry anyway.

You got to hope that if they get this stuff, stuff done and say that let's call it the next three weeks. Let's be really optimistic about it and say three weeks from now, both strikes are over, right? The issue is, is trying to ramp production back up. You don't think there's a plan. You don't think they already have a plan. Oh, they've been waiting. I know. I know they do, but the holidays always shuts down Hollywood. And that's the problem is that you're not going to have. I get it. I get it. I know that that's why they're doing it, but that's not enough runway. I genuinely don't believe that that's enough. To get anything done? Stuff that was more. in the can, not Deadpool, if it's only half shot. But you can get, but if you have, well, no, no, not to get the full thing in the can, but what you could still, let's say, as you're saying, three weeks, this is all over, right? So that gives us, like, mid-October, so that they start, and they're like, okay, we have our battle plan in place, let's get as much as we can get done until Thanksgiving. And then you got two weeks in December that you can shoot.

And then you got to shoot in January. then you start getting into post, right? Because that's about as much time you would need if you've already shot half. Yeah. So it's an 80-day shoot. So I'm with you. I think that there's no way it hits May.

It can't hit May. I think July is pawns. It could still come out next year. I don't disagree with that. I think late summer we get it. We're all agreeing on the shift unless, you know, there's some kind of miracle of how much they had done

because there's stuff that they, you know, take consideration reshoots and things of that nature. But I think July is possible for sure. Now, as you guys know, if you've been watching my show and me talking about the inflated budgets and how I can't stand the inflated budgets, I do say that I understand when some movies have bigger budgets, when they've earned them. This movie to me has earned a bigger budget. If it turns out to be like, if this one comes out, it's like this movie costs $250 million, you're not going to hear me and go, why? This is like No Way Home. And No Way Home earned its budget.

It's an end of something in the beginning of something. Like, it's beginning of Tom Holland Spider-Man. Yeah. And you're ending Toby and Andrew. if that's the way they go. I also think that this allows for a lot of potential, so you've double down on it. And you've got business-wise a perspective on,

okay, we were able to make $800 million off of the $100 million. That's all profit. We were able to make the next one did inflate its budget, but it's still made $900 million. So there's a precedent. And I also think that's a big part of why these negotiations are so aggressive is they looked at Deadpool. So Disney needs a win.

And I think they're putting a lot on Deadpool. So I think they need to go back to filming Cap 4. I think they need to go back to filming Deadpool. I think that Iger's going, okay, we've got seven more filming weeks of the year. I think that Zazlov, they're originally supposed to go back to filming Batman, or start filming Batman 2 in November. Batman 2, now that's DC's big, big guy. And then, because that's the only thing they're going to have for that little gap here situation.

And he wants, he wants MoMAO to promote, promote the Aquaman in December. But I also think he wants, because he keeps talking about how big the IP is Tim. He wants to start shooting his Harry Potter show. He wants to start shooting Batman 2. And then you've got Netflix who was like, movie a week. And those are the big three like, vocal enemies of the people. Those are the ones that have been coming on.

Like, we just like money. Start them out of their houses. I think those three are like, okay, it didn't work. They had social media. They rallied the people's perspective. We got to go back and film. Make no mistake about it. I guarantee you that if you ever found out the behind the scenes.

Oh, that movie's going to be great. No, Zazlov is. Guys, can we end this, please? Bob, can you please? Bob, I go take my phone call, please. Bob, we got to get the room. Please, please. I think it's Netflix that's going on.

Netflix is the one going the most. They've been doing the most pushback. I think that Disney and Warner Brothers, like, we got it. Yeah. Well, see, the problem is Bob is one call with all the quotes in his mouth. But he walked back on them real fast. Because he got his balls kicked out. I understand it.

But the idea of, like, can we end this, please? I guarantee you he was slanging his dick around. Sure. No, I think out of all of them, Zazlov is the one for the most. Flamed. Now, I'm going to get more, I want to get more into what I will say, I want to bring up the Marvel's thing. And I do want to talk about Aquaman with the guys.

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And it's going to be on Tuesday night, and it's going to be 9 p.m., very much so like Asoka. Assoca was 6 p.m. This is going to be 9 p.m. And it seems like it's going to be the norm for big titles. Thank God. Because, you mean, as somebody who does this, and we do this, like, 12, for a lot of different reasons. I understand people were telling me, because I was like, why didn't they always do this? and people were telling me, well, the reason why is because so the streamer doesn't crash and stuff

when you put it up that late at night, you got less of a chance of it to crash and the numbers and all. But they're a big enough company. Servers, because the servers. I love the idea that they're like, we don't have a service. It's not just that. You actually think that the people that don't want to watch this

aren't going to stay up and what? I think the servers are just for us. And then they're like daytime people, like, we'll get to it. But the reason why you look at, for there's a lot of different reasons of the success, I think, of Asoka for what they did. Another reason why it's because of what you're saying, right, if somebody who's really looking forward to seeing this, you wake up in the morning, you check Twitter.

And if it's like, if the first thing you do in the morning is not watch a show, it's spoiled for you. Oh, yeah. Like, it's a prime time spot at like 6, 9 p.m. It's still midnight for East Coast. I'm surprised they're doing a 9 p.m. I get it though. But if you do the midnight, because the problem was, I'm sure they're all happy about it because

it was midnight for us. It was 3 a.m. for them. It was 3 a.m. for them, and they were still doing it for the same reasons. You know what I mean? And I think the other thing that they have to keep it in consideration, they're already realizing that there's their own issue with network TV anyway. If you have something like this coming out, with the exception of maybe me, nobody here is watching Bachelor, right?

So then fine. Drop it at the same time on the streamers' bachelor. It's a completely different audience. People are going to tune in regardless. You know what I mean? So it was- It's prime time spot. It makes more sense.

And the other thing is, too, when you're looking at it as far as, like, on the, right now, they have nobody that can market it on the actor side and everything too. They do have people reactions talking about it, social media, all that stuff. You want to get that out there because look at the hype again when you look at something like Asoka. People are talking about it at the prime time spot. It comes out, and that's when everyone's talking about. I always thought it was lunacy that they put it out. Disney was the only one that really did this.

Yeah, the Midnight's rough. It's so silly. And it's like, you know, like doing it at this time, 9 o'clock, yeah, people talking about it. Next day, people waking up, they're talking about it again. Now, it is, I do think that they should have done the 6 o'clock. I think the 6 was better. I think better because it's better for East Coast because it's still midnight now for. Yeah, you get a 6 and a 9, which is way cleaner.

Way cleaner because now, but it's. You get dinner conversations, West Coast. Yeah, it's, but the, the UK and everybody gets screwed. That's true. That's what happens. But, you know, I don't know how they, how they fix that, but I don't, whatever there, again, what it looks like number wise as far as does North America make more sense and help them out more by doing it that way um i don't know but either way it's Tuesday that's great it's a big move that means

we can talk about it by the time that's right yeah we'll drop it and we'll we'll be doing spoiler reviews of that week episode yeah yeah so i'm going to be doing it very similar to the way that i do um asoka so what i do right now is i have the immediate reaction that i do and then what i have been doing that i might do for loki depending on i always give it like the first test i do my reaction to the actual episode itself. And if people like, I hated that. I hated every second. That was so jarring.

And then it was Tara Reid. What was going on? An auto play ad just scared the crap out of me. But the problem, that site's been open for hours. You know, that's a new thing that they're doing, right? Because I also doing, doing game time with, doing go time, go time. Go time. Doing game time with Roka will be on the ESPN site talking about a game.

and then about 10 minutes in, all of a sudden, an ad just kicks in with the audio, and I'm like, I hate that. Completely lost my train of thought. I lost my train of thought. I hate that stupid ad.

Anyway, wherever we were, I was lost in the thought now. Tuesday, excited. Tuesday, excited. Reaction. Okay, thank you.

Thank you. So we will be doing the immediate reaction, then I will be doing the reaction itself, and then on capes and cowls, the three of us will be doing the spoiler review like we did with the other shows that came out. Minus, I think secret invasion, which I think only those, only these guys watched it.

I watched the first. I've never gone back. Bro, I just. I watched the finale like two days late and casually and was still this point. I just, I just, how do you, how do you start that strong? Relatively so strong. I like the first. And then just the best.

I also like the fact that I was casually watching it two days later and I didn't care about. I would love the first two. It dropped off like by a letter grade per after. after that though. Like it was like an A-minus to like a beat like it's not great. The the best thing to come out of it honestly is is There was a there was a really great acting job done with Samuel Jackson. I'm not sure of the the lady That's white her that played his wife The two of them they were phenomenal all the do-of scenes I love don't sheetal and then yeah is it kingston or kingsley

Kingsley king and then Kingsley he acted his ass off Kings he been a deer right? Yes Kingsley was doing an incredible job as an actor, but if you're in a crappy scenario, what can you do? All right, let's get, we have two more stories that I want to try to jump to you real quick. So before we say goodbye, let's get to this Marvel story. All right, so the new report, this is comicbook movie.com, new report says that the Marvels had a much higher budget than what was recently stated. Many MCU fans were shocked to learn that the Marvels had a modest budget in comparison to more recent projects,

but a new report from Forbes says that that initial claim was too. good to be true. Something about the Marvel's having one of the smallest budgets ever for a Marvel studio film didn't pass the smell test. Spending on projects across film and TV was seemingly out of control during the Bob Chapec era of Disney, prompting the recently returned Bob Iger to publicly state that things would be different moving forward. Of course, by the time Iger made these comments, the Marvels had already wrapped filming. So in Variety Fair published a piece of the 33rd film in the MCU, asserting that the Marvels had a budget of just 130 million. Many MCU fans had a hard time believing it.

It turns out those doubters were right. As Forbes has dug into company filings and discovered that the Marvels actually spent $270 million, over two times what was initially reported by Vanity Fear on the Marvels. After filming in the UK and factoring in a $55 million tax credit, that brought the actual budget down to $219. Filming on the Marvels commenced on May 31st, wrapped on the 13th of 2022. Reshoot's commenced in August 2022, with some reports stating that the film was undergoing a massive of overhaul, something similar was reported on secret invasion. That didn't turn out well. With the increased budget, it's now critical on the Marbles to repeat the box office success of Captain Marvel.

What are the odds of that happening in this new post-COVID box office landscape? I don't think this movie's doing well, guys. Don't do it. I know. I don't think it's doing well. Don't do it. I don't think it's doing well. Not with this budget. Not with this budget. If this budget was $120 million as it first reported, I'd say got a good shot, got a good shot to make around 400 mil, which is still probably be something, maybe even 500, which should be something 270, if that's the, or let's say with the tax

credit, 220, with marking now at like 320. 320? It's got a clear 5. It's got to clear like 5 or 6. We're not, it's the same conversation we'll have about Aquaman in 10 minutes from now. It's like the billion dollar movie, the reason that

both of those movies hit a billion dollars, there's two reasons why. One, we were in the golden era of the MCU during that time when they both hit a billion. There's also between an infinity or an end game. That was point two. Point two is that was right in between and it was like, well, how does that play into? What's happening?

It was right after the snap. How does it, whatever came out, it was like, what happens next? And so, and we don't know. The story itself, I said the dynamic is so important for the three of them. It looks like it's great. The dynamic, but if it's the same kind of generic superhero movie that we've seen in every freaking movie that is coming out minus Guardians

it's got problems you don't think so no it's not that I agree with you I think the one thing that may that may potentially give it a slight leg up here and this will be something that's very

interesting is we have seen a massive flux of the power of the dollar behind women in media right now true so you're talking about Barbie. You're talking about Taylor Swift. You're talking about Beyonce. Literally

that has been like the big thing is how much women have moved the GDP this past summer. So if you have a situation where people are able to be like a trio women coming here, need a cost to do under thing. If that's enough

to push it, obviously the movie needs to be at least good. You prefer it needs to be great. But if that's a case Winston also, you've got to design it because with Barbie, Beyonce, all the examples you gave, they're designed specifically for women, for that audience.

I agree. And this, just because of the dynamic itself, it's still packaged inside of a Marvel, and that's the tricky situation Marvel will find themselves in, because if you're going to go after the female audience,

which is absolutely a smart move to do inside of it, but you're going to have it, you're definitely going to have the mouth breeders going, oh, I'm she, you're going to have that. But you're also going to have the, maybe people who are, We're like, well, this doesn't necessarily, it's not my jam, but I love the fact that it is, you know what I mean? Barbie, Barbie wasn't for me, but I know why I made a lot of money.

But it wasn't for you, but you could still acknowledge it was a good movie. And it was something you still would have taken your daughters to. I told my wife and my daughter, like, it's a, it's very similar where there's movies that's like father and son and all these. I was like, this is such a mother-daughter movie. I told my wife and my oldest, you guys have to see this. For me, I don't know if I'll ever see it again. but for my daughter and my wife, they went and they loved it,

and it was like perfect time. So my question, just to piggyback off. Marvel's no, because I don't think, I don't necessarily think that they'll go, but I don't know. It depends.

Because we also, because remember, you said that about Miss Marvel and then you watched it and you were like, actually, I really can get behind this. You're right. You're absolutely right.

My big concern for the Marvels is, real quick. I didn't say, I didn't say that for the Marvels that it doesn't speak for me yet. Because what I'm saying, if I'm saying if they're going to direct it, completely towards in your scenario because right now it does look like it's directed towards the Marvel fan

and ladies it's targeted for both and that's why i actually think that it's got a tougher road because it was just geared towards women they were going after just the female audience right now they might have because of what you're talking about but it's a it's a tricky situation i cut him off so good so coming off what you guys are both saying is i think this is the movie that has the biggest concern with the strike yeah i think that this is a movie based off of the dynamic between these three women and the only things we've seen have been generic adjacent. And I think the relationship between Tiana

and Brie is going to be really important. I think the relationship that we have with Amon Valani is important, much less Amman, Tiana, and Brie Larson showing their dynamic on talk shows, on press tours, on that, like, fun, hijinks. So I think that we need the actors back for this to do anywhere close to what it needs to

more than other films. I don't think this has... Yeah, for a while ago, I was saying, and we've also been saying this is, we know Loki's going to do at least decently, we know that Guardians was going to do decently. This is the first test of Phase 5 after Ant Man's failure. So the fact that we're facing a strike, the fact that they're facing a $270 million budget, the fast that they're facing the MCHU assholes.

It's really got a lot to fight. And I'm really worried about it because I like what Nia da Costa has said about it so far. I really like that Brie Larson looks to be playing more of what I consider Captain Marvel. Like I love Brie Larson and I love Carol Danvers. I did not love the first Marvel. But you also, the other thing that you said was because of the Cheapac era and the recent set of where they were, their storytelling, and all of that, the Marvels was still part of that. Yeah.

The new set of movies kind of coming out after that, Deadpool 3, Captain America, like all these different movies with like a new plan. When the Marvels came out, there was 87 shows. They were going to do three a year, four movies a year, and they had all this. And it was like the boom, boom, bum, bum, bum, boom. So, and maybe also the Marvels didn't have all the attention from like, say, Kevin Feigy at that point because there was so much going on that they would. moving forward when there's only two movies.

So either way, there's a lot to be said, but we can combine the points in just a second because the last story I want to talk about that I haven't talked to the guys about at all is Aquaman, because it's kind of in the same boat. We've seen trailers. The trailers have come out for it. I haven't gotten your thoughts, either one of you guys on the trailer itself. So, Winston, let me start with you.

Tell me what you thought of the trailers itself, and based off of that and other things, how do you think the movie will do? Is it in the same boat as the Marlowe? Marvels, what say you? So here's the thing. If I'm just going based off of the trailer, that movie looks fine. Like, I'll watch the hell out of that movie.

And it's, and it's not even, it's not even because I'm out here being like, man, they're going to take it to a whole new level. Nothing like that. It's just off the charisma of Jason Mamoa and you're just giving me an epic and knowing the part of me that was able to just jack into Aquaman, which I go back and watch now, that movies mid as hell. But there was something about it that just made it fun. And I genuinely think it's MoMA.

I think he just has this weird charisma that just, that's just seeing that trailer. I was actually excited about it. I was probably as excited about it as I was for across the Spider-Verse and Blue Beetle, which we didn't talk about that either. I enjoyed, you know, I thought that that was well done as well, but we've talked about the reasons why it's only doing.

But the, so that movie probably also very similar to the Marvels, because of the four reshoots, which I always say one or two reshoots, normal, four, not normal. That's probably going to be pushing it into the 250, 260. Probably needs to make the same amount of money as the models. Does it do it? Because the first one made a billion dollars.

Does it do it? I don't think any of the movies that hit a billion will do that again. Does it make a profit? Does it make a profit? What are you saying, Aquaman's probably tapping out at? It probably needs to make at least $600 to make a profit. I would guess.

if all the rumors are true with how much I think you're going to see Flash all over again Okay so I don't think that I don't think that bad I don't think that bad but I think pretty close Okay I think that First of all what you think of the trailer

I had a lot of very positive emotions during it I think we're getting the trench Stories that I think you and I really excited about with Yaya I think seeing Black Manta Actually fully formed fighting Akam for the first time It's gonna be great to scale I think the buddy cop aspect I think it looks like a really fun adventure movie

like those 80s adventure, like romancing the stone, like that kind of flavor, I want more of and I really like that. But I didn't mean to derail your thought. You just made me realize something because they did the buddy cop thing. Now I'm scared that this is Dark World because that was exactly what they did with Loki.

They're like, okay, pull him out of prison, go help your brother. Oh, now I'm concerned. It's literally the plot of, it's a god on earth as a buddy cop teaming up with his brother that is now evil to fight the villain

that didn't get served in the first one. As we do a different change and shift in tone, that's going to be a romp that ends a universe. Yeah, no, they made this movie. Yeah, go ahead. Keep coming. But I had a great time watching after I killed Winston. I had a great time watching.

Yeah, no, I love that. I got to do that in real time. I saw the light leave your eyes. I got to actually watch you have the video. You get to watch it. Oh, man, I'm so sorry. You're like, oh, that one epiphany. I'm like, no, there's some more.

There's some more in there. But also, it's lacking its female lead from the first movie because of, Anyway, what do you mean? When she punched that one shot, which dude, I guarantee. One punch. That's your name. That's one punch.

I guarantee that was for SEO. And you can use that for a lot of different things. That is literally a 1,000 comment frame where they can be like, oh, all the people are going to be talking about this in the comments. That was an SEO frame. They were like, we got people to yell, but anybody hurt. Anyway, watching the trailer, joy, happiness. The second the trailer ended, I was like, wait, I feel like I've already seen that trailer.

And I hadn't. Like, it was the debut. I couldn't have possibly, and I was like, oh, it was so familiar to the first one. Now my concern is the reshoots were to make it more like the first or to make it like feel that reminiscent because of the bad word of mouth. So now I'm afraid that it's a movie that's not only studio interference, but it's also overly fan structured where people are like, these are my notes. And then the movie's just going to feel like a mess. So I am, I did a trailer reaction to this thing. And I thought it looked so generic.

I thought it looked like you said. I feel like I've seen it a million times over. Out of all the movies I've seen recently, someone's like, oh, you see movies underwater, the movies underwater a lot? I'm like, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the tone and the familiar story beats that I've seen a million times over.

And you mentioned Mamoa, he's a movie star, but they're resting on the laurels of the Surfer Bro guy. He's the, oh, cool. And I know, that's Aquaman. No, that's Fast X. That's any movie he's been in, that's not Game of Thrones or anything else, too. that's what he does and he's a good actor

but they're resting on cool guy surfer guy and it's like I the movie I love James Juan I love James Juan I hope this movie and I said it in my trailer reaction dude I hope that this movie is awesome I hope it's great I'm looking forward to it really really looking forward to it because I want it to do well and DC needs a win

but nothing inside of that trailer made me go oh well that looks different that looks new it looked like the same thing I've seen a million times you know what they needed to do and I'm realizing that the reason why the first Aquaman, I feel like, did a billion. Other than obviously Jason Momoa providing something, it was essentially if you wanted to marry a superhero film to the mummy. If they realized that enough in this film to try and make it a mummy returns

and just make sure you don't end up with the rock looking like just... Like a 90s feel, you mean? Well, just what did it was the event, the adventure element. It wasn't so much the superhero element. Yes, that's there. And yes, that's important. It was that action adventure, like Rick O'Connell, going up against ridiculous odds. If you can do that again with this and make this feel like Mummy Returns, then you have a shot.

I don't have a shot at a billion. Not at a billion, but at least making your money that you need to make to make your six. What's also going to be messy is back-to-back, November billion-dollar sequel, December billion-dollar sequel, every single person that's been saying comic book fatigue. is going to be like, oh, the first one made a billion, the first one made a billion, now this has made $200 million. It's going to be like a deluge. And that's another reason I think that this strike has to end even more aggressively for the studios is they've got a bolster, they've got a hemorrhage whatever they can.

Yeah, look, the IP is real, man. Like when it comes to, like, we're talking about Deadpool, right? I think that Deadpool has enough for people really like the character, want to see more movies. Doesn't matter if it's connected the MCU or not. People want to see it. The casual viewer wants to see it regardless. So I think that movie's in really good shape.

Add Hugh Jackman, add this other stuff. it does really well. I go back to that conversation I had in June with my uncle, my cousin, and my friend James. James is in my age bracket. My uncle is like 10, 15 years older. My cousin is like 22.

My cousin's tapped in, knows all the same way that we do and everything to you, and I asked all three of them why they didn't see the flash. The cousin said didn't really have much to do with the Ezra stuff. Didn't help, but didn't have much to do with it. It was more so like it just what's it connected to? I don't know the DC

you side of it, what's real, who's staying, who's not, I'll wait until it hits streaming. That's what he told me. So he was tapped into it. My uncle and my friend James had the same exact reason. I just, just over the superhero thing right now. It's like, unless there's something that's really respond. And these are people who saw all of it

when it was coming out, like the Marvel stuff because it was like, I just don't know. It just seems like the same old, same old. And this is the casual fan. If the casual fan feels that way, you've lost them, you're in massive trouble. So, guys, we did it. We did a full episode of capes and cows. The gentlemen are back, and I'm excited to have them back.

And they're going to tell you now where you can find them on these days. You can help me down on TikTok and YouTube and Twitter and Instagram. I'm really trying to get people to read comic books. Still, as I left, I was doing the same. But there's a lot of really good comics out, and there's a bunch of comic book news that I'll be sharing over there. And if you're at New York ComicCon, I'll be there all four days. So I'll help me down. Yeah, you can find me on the socials, man, on all the platforms at the Swaggy Blurred.

I am, man, I got a lot of stuff going on. I'm doing a, what, Law & Order Sports Victims Unit? Those are a lot of fun, man. I pretty much, just watch it. I don't know how to describe it. Just go, just go watch it. And then I'm doing my breakfast. I am new stuff coming, bringing that back.

I just, when you start to get to the physical therapy part of stuff, content can take a back seat because you're like, I can walk. I'm going to go outside. Well, the good news, though, the content will keep happening because now you're back. Hey, Winston's back, Koi's back, and we're back. So listen, one of the things also what I've, do, especially for this episode, I'm sure there'll be a lot of shorts that come out of here. If you want to check this YouTube channel on our shorts tab, you can see all the shorts that we do.

My Instagram, the big thing, Instagram, the big thing, Twitter, like all that we post tons of clips. And I'll make sure that I tag the guys as far as collaborators on Instagram as well for any of these clips that come out. So happy to have them back. So happy to have you guys back. Make sure that if you're able to, please check out one of our wonderful sponsors today. The links are in the description. That helps get these guys back. So make sure that you purchase one of those today.

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