The Kristian Harloff Show - Deadpool and Wolverine post-credit scene said to be "MIND BLOWING" Is this the shift the MCU needs?

Episode Date: April 26, 2024

Deadpool and Wolverine is still the topic of the conversation surrounding comic book movies and could it be the film that gets the MCU back on track at least in the majority of fans eyes? There is a new report that the post credit scene is a game changer. NO SPOILERS. Whatever it is, is it the boos that it needs? Is X-Men 97 the best Marvel show to date? How is the latest episode? Sam Raimi addresses the Spider-Man rumors. Keke Palmer in Marvel? Rogue? This and more on Capes And Cowls Big Thing with Kristian, Kris Carr and Coy Jandreau!

Hello, everybody. Welcome back to the big thing. It's capes and cows, man. Yes, of course, we're going to talk about Deadpool and Wolverine. We've got a couple stories as far as Deadpool and Wolverine go. We haven't really talked about the trailer on this show yet. I mean, I've talked about it on my channel. And I know the Koi's talked about it. Chris Karr's talked about it. But we're really going to kind of break it down a little bit more of what we thought it did what it could do. And then the big rumors about not the spoiler of what the post-credit scene is, but the fact that, that there is a big post-credit scene that is apparently mind-blowing that's going to change the MCU. Now, is this a bachelor thing? Everything's going to change. I don't know. Yeah, I referenced the bachelor. I worked there. Cut me some slack. X-Men, speaking about them, a new episode

X-Men 97. So we'll discuss how is it holding up since that big monumental episode, is it still working? Toby McGuire is not working with Sam Ramie yet. Maybe he will. Or, Or maybe Sam Ramey's going to be doing, you know, the new Tom Holland movie or Secret Wars. Well, he addressed some of those. And we'll talk about that and more. There's so much to talk about. And we're going to talk about it with Koi and Chris Carr today on the show. If you're brand new to the show, you have not been here.

Hit that button, man. We are approaching 140,000. I hope that by the time this episode even drops tomorrow, maybe the patrons. The patrons are going to see this first. We'll still be close to it. But I hope by the time it drops, it'll be at 140. Because we're pushing forward. You guys are so much a part of the conversation.

It's been great. I've said it many times over. Easily, the most fun I've ever had doing this has been the last two and a half, three years on this channel. Hands down, no contest. And we have a lot of cool things that are happening that we'll discuss a little bit as well. Apple Podcast, Spotify, anywhere podcasts are found.

Let's get to it, man. It's Capes and Cowles. It's me. It's Chris. It's Coy. Let's do it. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to the big thing. Caps and Cowell.

It's myself, Christian Harloff, Coy Jondro, beating up the microphone, and Chris Carr. Nice to have everybody back. And this is what I keep, it seems like this keeps happening. Every time we go, have you guys done a show together? We've at least done comedy together. We have done that.

We have been ships in the night on a stage. So I know, Koi. Yes. But not, we haven't talked together about comics and stuff. No, and this will be fun because this is like, this is the thing to me where like I have all these different people on the show that we, you know, have their major strengths. You seem to have all of those strengths.

So, yeah, it's a good problem to have. So, like, when I was thinking about it, I'm like, yeah, we put Chris Carwell, yeah, because not everybody can talk comic book movies. And I, I'm, a lot of the times I need to lean on coy about comic book knowledge. Not you. No, lean it today. No, at all. So I'm looking forward to watching this conversation happen.

I'm just going to be just sitting back, listen. You'll be watching with the audience. I'll be watching with the audience. That's it. But we have a lot of great stuff to talk about, as I mentioned with all the topics that are happening but I know that I mentioned to you I know that you everybody knows about the move to New York and how we're helping it up I didn't know it's public though I saw like a barrage of comments like what are you going to do and I was like I don't know how to comment yeah no nothing

you're going to be on the show we're building out in the way that we're doing we've talked about it you and Winston will be on a set together because we're going to a lot of these some of these cameras here are going to be lent over there Winston's got a really good setup anyway but Brett's going to kind of fix the set up you're not too far from Winston anyway so that will be You guys will be in the room together. I'll be, and I'm going to set my studio up. And that's the thing I want to talk about is that we're actually named, because we have that Amazon wish list.

It's like the first thing you see, and people have been, somebody bought a lens, somebody got some mic stands. That's great. It's great, but I'm going to name them after the people who do it. We have like these, we have like the Nate lights. But what I want you guys to do, and again, this is, this is if you are, if you decide you're going to get something on that wish list, please write in the note what you want me to name Unless it's something like, you know, completely inappropriate, I'm not going to do it.

But if you have a name, like a funny name or just anything in general, you want me to name the thing you get, I will absolutely do it. And I'll put a piece of tape on it and I'll make sure that I call it out and say like the Nate lights or these other things. So it's in the first, it's in the links in the description. So thank you to everybody who's done that. And thank you everybody who just puts in a comment and have been so supportive in general about it. So it's going to be fun. All right. And the other thing, where's that?

Oh, let me see that comic. Yeah. So this comic for a lot of people, right now, this is, this is the one that the great wicked art did. We're on issue, this is three, but we have number four, and he's working on five. He has like a whole angle, dude. Like, you got to hear what he was telling me of where it's going. Yeah, so throw that over to Chris for a second.

Let's see if she. So how do you feel about that, that cover? Be careful. Be careful how you answer. Listen, he looks like a stunt. Look at him go. You can talk to me. I'm right here.

How you doing, Chris? I hear great things. Oh, my gosh. I hear great things. Aside from, you know, sometimes you're a little, you come in a little hard and fast on Rock. Yeah, hard and fast. That's my style, baby. I got myself up for that.

Yes, you did. Yes, you did. You want to rock, baby. I'm the biggest. Oh, man. You're talking bullshit now. Damn. All right, fine.

But you're cool. I like your sweater. It's nice. Oh, my gosh. Thank you. Okay. See? Okay.

Okay, we can be cool. Roxy. It's nice. Rocks your place how to get. You seem to be... I was not going to say nasty, because you just said, you got a rock.

What the hell's wrong me? I got problems. I'm out of here. Sorry about that. He's a real dickhead. He's a real dickhead. What a charmer. Isn't he nice?

What a guy. You should hear him. He was on his best behavior with you. I'll tell you that. Anyway, all right, let's get to these stories. Speaking of filth, let's talk about Deadpool.

All right, so this trailer drops, sets the internet on fire, and people are losing their minds and rightfully. So this movie's going to make a billion dollars. I've been saying it. It is, it looks great. We had a conversation last week about what was the greater trailer.

Was it Joker? Was it this? I still can't give you an answer on what. Steak or pizza. They're different. Like, you know, if you're hungry for steak, you get steak. It's true. It's so different.

And it's also because of a recency bias. Sure. Whenever the thing comes out because it's 72 hours really changes. You know what I'm feeling though. It does. Yeah. And it's also been 72 hours since. So it feels different.

It feels very different. And it also, I will say, and maybe it's because he already won an Oscar, but that movie seems way more in the award season type of movies as where this is a really solid kind of comic book action movie, which we've been longing for because we haven't had a good month since Guardians 3. And the trailers lean into that, though, too. Like, you know, I think there'll be moments that have more levity and Joker, but it leaned stick.

It leaned, you know, like weight and nutrition. And then, you know, Deadpool's going to have a lot more emotional. resonance than the trailer allowed because we were even teased like Wolverine going through this like journey of redemption and all those things but we didn't really like live in those moments we lived in the comedy so even the trailer leaned pizza so i honestly think that the trailers are the now that's what i call music version of a movie so you're not going to be able to really tell what differences they'll have if you're just leaning into the extreme strengths of each property so two questions for you chris one thoughts on what coy said and as far as a trailer and two are you as hungry as i am for pizza also you can always put steak on a pizza you can can just be that kind of gremlin. They call that Avengers Endgame. They call that jail time. Yeah, actually, that's true. As East Coasters, where you're from?

Are you from East Coast? My family is from the East Coast. Okay, yeah. I grew up in Texas, though. So you put it stake on everything. Yeah, that's just a question mark. I don't even know how, I don't know what kind of pizza Texas does. We don't.

Okay. We just consume. Yeah. We just consume. That's what we do. I totally agree with this. I do think that latest trailer does lean into those kind of heartstringsy moments, right, for Deadpool and Wolverine.

And we do know we're going to get a more substantial meal. then that first trailer kind of promised us, where it was the, hey, look at all these shiny things. Look at all these references we're going to make. Oh, all the Easter eggs, all the fun references. Jokes, jokes, jokes. Yeah. Fagy, cocaine.

Woohoo. This one, we know that we're going to get to the heart of this story. And there's going to be some actual, like, there's some illitude in this film, which you are hit over the head with that, I think, in the Joker trailer of this is going to be a very, very cerebral, intense, dark film. This is still going to hit those notes,

but you are going to get the Marvel that you know and love. And I'm really excited about it, Because this trailer too for me, I've been really worried that Deadpool was just going to be like a, and look at all these cameos. And I love that that latest trailer really just focused on those two fellas in addition to having some funny steer eggs in there. And I think the rumors that have been floating around already told you you're getting cameos. Oh yeah, absolutely. So they were going to let you know that, yeah, you're going to get those things. Why the hell do we need to show you that?

Exactly. It's more so of the thing that I was worried about was very similar to what you were saying was, okay, we know that Deadpool has. has been able to play in that rated R joke central thing, but he's also been able to have some good heartfelt moments. And will Disney let them play in all of that? And what kind of tone are we going to get? Are we going to get more of the Marvel joky stuff? Or are we going to actually get a mixture of both of it?

Because when Logan or Wolverine has those moments, I mean, you look at Logan and you look at what they did there, there are shades of Logan in this trailer. Yeah. And then there are shades of Deadpool 1 and 2 in this trailer. And it doesn't feel like steak on pizza. It feels like it's meant to be. Yeah, but it feels like it does, yeah, exactly right.

It feels like it was supposed to be in this, it's like a weird style that you can't believe works. Yeah, it feels like a lethal weapon to me. It's like, Matt Todd Riggs. You know, we got a Logan that's too old for this bleep and I don't know if I can say that on YouTube. And we got, you know, a Merck on the Edge. And I think what's really interesting about that trailer was,

Sean Levy said a few times that this isn't Deadpool 3. This is a two-hander between Deadpool and Wolverine. And I love that the first trailer was Deadpool and it gave us a look. We're going back to comedy. Look at the trusting us to be R-rated. Look at how bold this is. And then the second trailer is a very Wolverine heavy trailer. And that's the one that's got the heart mixed with comedy, certainly.

But you've got these two very different trailers that both work tonally and both show the same movie. But the tones are so different because one's a Wolverine heavy, one's a Deadpool heavy. And I love personally that the movie's called Deadpool and Wolverine. it feels like that's got to be possible in a really unique way. And I don't think anyone's had as much creative control in a movie as Ryan Reynolds. Like literally, I mean, I've said it a few times. And rightfully so. He's writer, producer, he's proven himself that this is a billion dollar character.

He made a $58 million movie turned into the number one R-rated movie of all time that year. And then he made a sequel that surpassed the first while being more, you know, in control. And now for the third one, I honestly think it's not a coincidence that D23 happened a week later. they had the footage of them on the couch. Like Ryan's got so much control. They wanted it to be D23. And then Ryan's like, no, no, no, no, maximum effort. I'm going to do it my way.

And that's what I think these trailers show is like, we're doing this for Marvel, but we made the movie. And that's what Marvel started as. In my opinion, phase one was a lot of Kenneth Brandog made a Kenneth Brandoog movie. John Favre made a John Favre a movie. And I think over time, when anything gets as big

and anything gets as popular, one, there's an inherent, like, it's popular. I'm going to crap on it. But two, something gets so big that there's so much money thrown at the studio, feels like they have to be more involved. So I think this is a really healthy medium of like crazy budget, but also it feels like it's made by artists.

Right. And I agree with everything you just said. Yeah, it's really well said. I'm back. Nice to see your mentally all the way back. I talked to him on the phone the other day. I was like, it's going to take a while. Yep, this man is processing.

And the coffee. The coffee was good too. But yeah, I mean, look, there's so much in there, Chris, that I think that this film could really scratch a lot of the itches, too. And I think that what he mentioned with Ryan Reynolds with, Disney or Disney and Marvel saying, okay, look, we want you to make this movie

and like, okay, we can. The other thing that I think that you can do in that, you can look like you're, oh, now, how are we going to make this movie? Are we not going to be as free? Or do you say, let's use all of their assets now? Because, yes, the first one didn't cost a lot of money to make.

They made a ton of money. The second one, obviously, cost a little bit more to make. They made money. 110. Right. So he went from like 60. 58 to 110.

110. This one's probably 200, 220. but what you're not going to hear from me is what I normally say. I'm like, why are they spending so much money on this movie? This movie has earned it. Absolutely. So when you say after, you know, there are times that movies, you're like, why are you spending this much money on an Indiana Jones movie?

Well, but it's the fifth movie. But the movies, no one's asking for those movies right now. Everybody's asking for this movie. You put in the resources and you look at someone like a Ryan Reynolds, you feel like he's going to spend that money right. Absolutely. I fully agree with all of that. And I think, too,

the kind of Disney rules here, right? The potential studio interference here. I think that's only something where someone like a Ryan Reynolds is going to go, ooh, what are my parameters? How far can I push that life? The cocaine jokes. Exactly. I don't know if we'll ever know if that was actually a thing Kevin Faggy had, but I love that it's a joke about the parameters that we might or might not have.

I think it's such a smart thing to do. It's an absolutely wonderful meta thing of just, no, no, no, you guys know that I'm not supposed to do certain things. So let's just talk about it. Let's just bring that into the fold here. And with a character like Deadpool, it works so well. And I think that's one of the reasons why this movie should really, really sing. It should be great.

The more boundaries you push with sophomore cumer, the more it rationalizes his fourth wall breaking when later he's inevitably in a PG-13 movie and they censor him. Yeah. Like the more you make this universe, him being aware of not only Fox but both Foxes, Mac of Owen Stewart, which he's commented on in movie and being aware of the MCU allows that fourth wall break because he's going to be aware that he's from another universe and that allows them to later on be like he's not from here. We can mute him because it will feel appropriate. He can even comments on it. So I think the bolder you go in his independent movies, independent, his solo endeavors, then him meshing is going to work better in the greater MCU, which is clearly what they're going for. Exactly.

He'll get that one F-Bomb in every PG-13 film. And we'll be like, we waited for this. We've heard it. Yeah. And then, or so, you know, whoever it is. I mean, how great. I mean, if Chris Evans was still around, language. Oh, man.

It would be amazed to do one moment. Or he just comes back foul-mouthed as human torch. Like a foul-mouthed Johnny Storm, so he's the one. hilarious if he showed up. I think he's going to come out and say flame on. I think he's going to walk in. People are going to expect the shield and it's going to be a flame on moment. I honestly think we'll get that came in.

You could. You could. But there's a lot there. And I also think that one of the reasons that you can get away with a lot of this stuff too and this is because of the trauma of Ryan Reynolds and maybe, let's say, hypothetically, that, okay, Kevin Feige was, I don't know about that cocaine joke. He's like, let me do it. And I'm going to show it to you.

And then, all right. You know, it could be one of those moments. It could be, who knows. But either way, the trailer really plays well, and it's going, because I can't remember who I was talking to about this. Oh, it was on Patreon yesterday. And I had a special summer movie preview episode with Scott Mance, which I absolutely recommend you guys watch. If you are a patron, you should absolutely watch it. There's great to talk movies with them again.

And we broke down a lot of these things. But we talked about Deadpool and Wolverine. And Scott said, well, look like this could be the movie that brings Marvel back and brings them back into the full confidence of the audience. And I said, yes, but for how long? Because there's only so much that this movie can do. And what it needs to do, because, look, Guardians of the Galaxy 3 was a movie where it delivered on the promise that it was going to be a great send-off to these characters that you got to know. It was a great closing to three amazing films. But it didn't push the MCU really forward at all, at least in my opinion with, unless there's some villainous.

or something come back. But for right now, it didn't really do anything with multiverse, didn't really do anything in general that really pushed it forward. And then that was it.

Another movie came out, and you're like, eh, this movie is setting in motion more of the MCU stuff with the next Captain America movie is the next one, which has rumors

that it's not testing well, but they're also rumors that they're doing reshoots and they're trying to catch it up. But Chris, I'll start with you. How crucial is it that A, they really define where this is going leading to Avengers in this movie, right? And how important is it that the next movie after this hits hard?

Oh, very important, very, very important, especially because I think we've all kind of been burnt before too with the, you've got to stay with for that post credit because it's going to change the game. You have to see this because it's going to change everything in the MCU. And then we see something and go, okay. That character's there. Oh, yeah, it's a multiverse. Okay, that's neat. So they definitely need to stick the landing.

I do have a source over at Disney who has been talking about how they are doing all these reshoots and everything, really trying to streamline this. They've definitely on their end of things. Katz and America you're talking about? Yes. They've been really, really working on all of their properties of focusing on that quality over quantity.

Because it was just that whole, hey, there's not going to be a month that goes by that you don't have a Marvel property launching, either on the streaming service, in a theater, etc. You're going to constantly be having Marvel. And that bombardment, I think, just really diluted the pool. We had too much content, which feels wild to say as somebody who just lives and dies for this kind of stuff of like, yes, this is my time. This is what I hoped for as a kid watching the X-Men cartoon show, collecting my trading cards. I won in Marvel shows all the time.

But they really need to, one, streamline, they need to two, make sure these movies connect in a meaningful way. And I think honestly, they kind of need to go back to to the idea of you don't have to know every single thing. you don't have to have watched every single property to enjoy this. Because that was the great stuff in the first few phases of my friends who weren't super into comics could come see the movie with me. And then when I'd have an extra gasp about something, they'd be like, oh my gosh, tell me about that later. Right? And then you probably go back and watch it on their own. Yeah.

Whereas now it's a wait, hold on. What is that? Huh? What did I miss? Oh, well, okay, if you saw this in this show and this happened, they really need to just make it. And I'm sure I'm going to lose some comic fans on this one. They do need to make it for all audiences. They do need to make these things accessible because that's why.

ingratiates everyone to these fandoms, and then they're going to want to do all the deep dives. Yeah. Now, Coy, as far as all that goes, you know, with moving forward on that, and the problem, I believe that the conversation was exactly what Chris said, and they've said as much, Bob Iger said as much, let's focus on the quality over the quantity. The problem is that with the strikes, there are four Marvel movies coming out in 2025 alone. That's not including any shows that are coming out also that can be pushed. I think, and I'll probably miss one, maybe I won't.

You've got Captain America coming out. You've got Thunderbolts. You've got Fantastic Four, and you've got Blade. Those are four that are coming out, and I might even miss one. Maybe there's five, but I think that there's four. And then whatever shows are coming out. I think there's another show. So even though they're going quality over quantity, still seems like a lot of quantity.

I do think there is a benefit to which four those are, though, that can help us. And I can already see the comments of like, Koi will always say Marvel's in a good spot. But I do think there is Thunderbolts and KAP are the two that are only similar of the four, right? And it looks like KAP4 is going winter soldier, whereas Thunderbolts going more spectacle. So I think the grounded nature of KAP 4 setting up Thunderbolts being a big spectacle might be in its favor. And then Fantastic Four, everyone's been waiting on.

So that I feel like it's going to be weird and cosmic and retrofuturistic and adventure and not in the same tone as those first two. And then Blade, smaller budget, R-rated. It sounds like they finally figure. out Blade should just hunt vampires. It's so funny when the press release, or what not press release, but the long line rumor came out and they're like, we've decided Blade should kill vampires. And I was like, oh, is he also going to be Mehercial Ali? Like, why did we just figure out the plot of Blake?

You guys just said something so brave. Yeah, what a concept. Is he some sort of day walka as well? So I feel like those four different tones will feel like the old Marvel where it didn't feel like there was one color palette. It felt like we were playing in different tones. It was playing in different genres. And that's what when everyone talks with reverence of phase one through three, it's like,

and they did, that was a heist film, that was a space opera. The reverence for that different feel, I think, could come back if they're doing what it sounds like they're doing and really attacking quality with each of these films. My concern is the only thing people love

more than an underdog comeback story is a fall from gray story. Those are the two big things in sports. You love to see the Red Sox lose. You love to see the Red Sox come back. In life, sure. But I was being Winston for a moment. Let me get my sports moment.

I never get these. But it's the same thing when you have a team that's been winning a lot. You love to see them lose when you've had a team that's been losing a lot, you love to see him win. So the conversation, I think, is since there's so much tribalism in the community conversation and there's so much commentary on these particular films,

it's whether or not the audience is going to let them come back. Because the movies that didn't do well still made more money than any other movies. They just didn't make Marvel money. Like, they still made the top three movies of the last 10 last year. No, no, I'm not saying the quality thing. I'm talking about people still showed up. Sure. But the conversation shifting, I think, is going to depend on the masses.

because stuff that's good still gets hated because it's popular to do so. Sure, but I still think that you can get to a place, though, if you, because if you have a movie that is universally loved, there's always going to be people that hate it. Just for the sake of it, yeah. But those voices aren't as loud during that time. Like, look at Star Wars, right?

Star Wars, Last Jedi, a lot of loud voices and a lot of voices that were like, that not even being haters just going, not good. And the same side of it going, that's a good movie. And it kind of divided the whole, franchise and after that nobody was on the same page with the last one right of Skywalker and it was seen like it was all that the whole fandom was against

each other it was it was extreme versus extreme but then the main lorian came out and then it seemed like even people who were hating it going okay well maybe this is the thing and then the people who are like sure like there's nothing wrong with Star Wars leave it alone oh okay maybe this is and he kind of started to go like this then other things came out and then it started going like that And then Lizzo showed up and people lost their minds. They lost their minds. But if you do-

Those bikes are too shiny. Whatever am I. I was one of them. I was one of the people who was like, the Vespa crew. Why? Power Rangers. Yeah, yeah. I didn't even watch the episode until two weeks later.

Then by the time I did, I was like, well, this all feels weird to me. So it's just a little more weird. Like, it just felt like an 11. Spy kids. The twirl, though. I saw that clip. I saw that clip more than I saw. I think I've seen that clip more than I've seen Luca and your father.

Like, I literally have. have seen that dude spit around. Which is the whole of the conversation. But my point of it is that when they, that season one and season two, Mandelorian, it did get here. And it seemed like, okay, well, where are you going to go with it? And I just think, you know, Lucasfilm went here when they probably could have stayed here. Marvel has an opportunity to do this for Deadpool.

Now, can they stay here? That is the main question, right? Because, yeah, you're always going to have people looking like, what are they going to do now to mess it up? But as long as they tell a good story and the majority is on board my concerns X-Men though like X-Men, I think is universally loved Yeah, sorry X-Men 97 is universally loved and I've seen so many people will be like well, it's not really MCU though I'm like it literally is like it's produced by it's made by it's hired by but it's not part of the MCU But it's being made by the team that like yes it's within it

My concern is Deadpool is going to be the same thing is if Deadpool comes out everybody's like but that's a Ryan Reynolds movie like if they just find a way to Asterix everything is my concern. This is my point with the story. This is my point with the story. Now, like, if the story, if it just seems like a Deadpool movie and it doesn't further along the MCU, people are going to be in the right to say that kind of stuff. But don't we want things to be their own thing that also build? Of course.

Okay. I'm just confused by. Of course. What I mean is it's got to have, but it should be in its own movie and the story itself should be the most important thing of that particular film, 100%. But you should also go by the end of it, oh, that's where they're going. Oh, I understand. Oh, so now I want to go see the next one because of what they just set up.

That's great. That's the type of stuff that works. In the way that Iron Man 2 did it, like it just seemed like a whole setup for another movie as we're Iron Man won. At the end of it, we had this meeting with these people. Oh, the Avengers is coming, but you were really focused on Iron Man the whole time. That's more so what I mean. Because going back to your X-Men 97 point, yes, Marvel and Disney owned that now.

They get the win for that. but just because it's as great as it is, it doesn't further along the overall story that they're trying to tell within the MCU. And that's what I think that there's, there's two arguments of it, that one to me is right, one is wrong. The one that is wrong is the one you're talking about

of going like, well, Marvel, and Disney doesn't get the win for that. Be talking about it's their property. They made this. But the other side of it is when they say, well, it has nothing to do with the MCU that I agree with. Yeah, I think sometimes two people discount it

because it's animated. Yeah. Well, it's not a live action thing, so it's not part of it, which I think is just ridiculous because it's just a different medium. If we can have multiverses, one of them could be animated. And especially, and we'll get into this, but with one of the latest reveals in this show, I went, oh, that person could do this in live action. Yeah, yeah. So there's a lot there, and I was going to move on past this, but I don't want to yet, because I have this to say about Deadpool, because this was something I mentioned up top. So this is comic book movie.

Deadpool and Wolverine's post-credit scene is said to be mind-blowing. All right. We've heard this before, as Chris said. You won't find any spoilers here. But the post-credit scene from Marvel Studios, Deadpool and Wolverine has been described as mind-blowing by a reliable source. Mark Cassidy over at Comic Book movie writes Deadpool and Wolverine-related rumors have kicked into overdrive

since the release of the new trailer earlier this week. And while it's obviously difficult to know which ones are on the level, we now have a spoiler-free tease. from someone with a genuine inside track on the production. Without revealing any details, MTTSH posted about the MCU's three-quel post-credit scene describing it as mind-blowing and adding that she was surprised Marvel Studios was able to keep any details from leaking.

She says, oh my God, this is too good. I'm not going to ruin this, but the post-credit scene in Deadpool and Wolverine is so mind-blowing, I can't believe they were able to pull this off without anyone knowing. Now, as reliable as this scooper has been in the past, we wouldn't take her word on this without any specifics. However, Deadpool co-creator Rob Leifeld has backed up this assessment of the movie's post-credit scene. So he said he ain't lying to you.

I guess he didn't know that it was a she. But either way, it's not really surprising that this movie will feature a massively eventful stinger, and this may back up rumors that Deadpool and Wolverine will directly lay the groundwork for Marvel Studios planned X-Men reboot. Then again, there are several other possibilities, including the upcoming. Coming Avengers 5 and Secret Wars. Okay. So if this rumor is indeed true and it isn't just kind of someone just getting excited because they saw somebody cool like you mentioned before, well, that's awesome.

That's amazing. I can't believe they did that. Or if it is actually mind-blowing meaning, wow, that's the next step of this thing. Then that's my point. Then we get that story that we like the whole time. We get that lethal weapon story. I'm invested the whole time with a cool bunch of cameos here and there popping in

to help the story out, but then you get that post-credit scene and you're like, really? All right, now I got to go see the next movie. I don't think anyone is as invested in the greater use of their characters than Ryan Reynolds. And arguably even Hugh Jackman. I genuinely think he wouldn't have come back. Because I think it's pretty clear he's playing a different Wolverine.

I don't think he would have come back unless there was both an honoring of Logan that has died and a new reason to play. Wolverine. So I don't think either one of these guys would do this movie unless it was having our cake and eating it too. I think the movie itself is exceptional. I think they want to be the guys that are like, we're the guys that fix things and moved it along because they're so invested. But I also think like Rob, I was with Rob at CinemaCon and I've gotten to see the nine minutes of Deadpool at CinemaCon. It was amazing. I haven't seen Rob like this since Deadpool 1 and

not to disparage Deadpool 2 or once upon a deadpill, but that was like I don't think he ever thought he'd see his baby handled with such care for the first one. Like that's such a unique experience to see something you've dedicated your life to and then the first one. And then I think it's just been like oh my God, this is exciting ever since. He is more excited for Deadpool 3 than I've seen him since that first one. And the way he talks about like his

experience of whenever he knew anything, whenever he got told anything, he's like a kid. It's astounding. And you know Rob, he's a kid always. I've not seen him like this. It's amazing. We're not talking about it and I don't think it's fair. And I'm glad that I'm thinking about it now because I think one of the reasons after hearing you talk about what Rob Lightfeld said, if you look

at the first movie. He had a director, Rob or Ryan Reynolds, Tim Miller, that he got along with the first movie, but I think they didn't see eye to eye in the second one. Who directed the second one? David Leach, uh, Fall Guy. Okay, so Leach directs the second one. And I think they get along just fine. But Levy and Reynolds are like, frickin' and fricking frack. Oh, yeah. And Hugh Jackman and Levy. Right. And Hugh Jackman and Reynolds. Right. So it's got it doesn't seem like you're going to hear many reports, Chris, of there was tension on set. They didn't see eye to eye. It seems to me that Reynolds probably would walk into Sean go, listen to this.

This is for this, what I was reading in this particular comic of what happened with that, but what have we incorporated this character to this? Oh, it's amazing. You can see these, those types of conversations. Levy's not being mentioned enough, but I feel like you will if this movie is the hit that everybody thinks it will be. Oh, absolutely. I think he just creates a really wonderful set.

I think he fosters actors in such a beautiful way. And I think he respects their creative visions while still carrying on what he wants to do with a project as well, which is what you want. You want a director to be beautifully collaborative like that. But I've been saying this for ages that Ryan Reynolds has had a point in his career too of, I'm going to work with who I want to want to. And I'm mostly going to work with my buddies. And I'm going to have a super fun time doing it. He loves this character so much. He knows him inside and out, right?

So he can do those moments of, oh, there's this really great thing that I want to reference in here. Oh, wouldn't it be fun if we brought in this other thing? And you have all these amazing actors, too, who did these roles previously of getting potential redemption moments of being able to correct some of things like Ryan did with, we're going to talk about the green suit, we're going to talk about my mouth being shut. We're going to be talking about all these things. So I'm so excited to see how we can have those moments too for all these other characters. And I think Levi's the guy to kind of foster that environment and not make it feel member berries, but feel earned. He's also so good at getting heart out of absurdity. Yes.

Like a Rockham Socombe Robots movie should not be one of my friends. favorite sports movies at all time. It should not be. Like on paper, that movie is a failure. And what's crazy is not only is X-Men Origins Wolverine, what got us the friendship with Ryan and Hugh, what got us that horrible Deadpool that led to the good one, but the next movie Hugh Jackman did after X-Men Origins Wolverine was Real Steel. So he was there when that movie came out and he had to pick up the pieces. I think the bonds here are crazy butterfly effects. Not only was Real Steel the next thing, but it's the reason I think that they agreed to bring Wolverine back and why Deadpool worked out this way was the first movie X-Men Orges Wolverine got made during the first

writer's strike of our generation back in 08. And this movie got shut down and restarted because of the writers and actor strike allowing them more time. So I think the first one cost us Deadpool and this one is giving us a better Deadpool. Yeah. Fingers crossed. It looks like there's a lot in this and to go back on that point with the, they're going to have this creative creativity on how they're going to make the post credit scene work. I think that's also where Disney or Kevin Fahigy goes, okay, well, we need to relate this into this. We need to make sure that this is going to push forward this and they go, well, what if we do it this way?

Yeah. We got too lost in hey, we have this ex-actor playing ex-character. Because the really cool thing at the beginning of phase one was so many people were unknowns. We didn't know Chris Hemsworth. We didn't know Tom Hiddleston. Do you read that Volture article? Oh my gosh. Where it was the... Marvel rolls

dice cast two unknowns. I was like, Man, I don't remember that. Vulture put out this whole thing where it was like, Marvel's trying to be a studio and they cast this random guy Chris Emsworth and some stage boy Tom Hiddlest. Like it was super weirdly like aggressive. Ken and Brun has done some like cop show with Hiddleston? I don't know.

I guess we'll see. The whole article felt like oh, the studio's dead in the water movie too. Yeah, it's wild. It's so fun to read just because, ooh, retrospective is great on it. I got to interview Tom for Loki season two at MegaCon and I referenced that article.

And it was so funny to see him get you like, yeah, you know, the casting director always trusted me. And it was just as glimmer as I have. And here we are now. I've been Loki for 15 years. Just the joy in that article existed. and it can be like receipts.

It's amazing. And I think that's one of the things that's so important here is we need to lead with story. We need to lead with character. Not just, oh my gosh, Harry Styles is going to be Thanos's brother. Right. Rad. I mean, I'm here for that. I think that's super fun casting.

But why? Why is he there? So where's he been? Where's Hercules Ben? Where's the celestial Ben? Right. Yeah. So, well.

Why is he just still in the ocean? What's happening? Referenced once in Shielken ticker tape? Like, it's been a while, guys. Well, look, there's a lot there. There's a lot there. a lot that we talked about with Deadpool Wolverine from the trailer, from the stuff inside

of it, from the director, from the creativity involved, from the potential post-credit scene, any of that stuff that you guys want to comment on, I want to get your thoughts on it, and the question of, is this really going to be the one that kind of turns it around and puts it in to the next gear?

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Kiki Palmer was already a best-selling recording artist prior to landing the co-lead role in Jordan Peel's Nope, but her infectious standout performance as Emerald in the 2002 sci-fi horror flick put her on the map in a big way. Shortly after the movie's release, Palmer started a social media campaign to play rogue in Marvel Studios planned live action X-Men movies, sharing some impressive cosplay photos as the fan favorite mutant powerhouse. Palmer's interest in playing rogue began to gain more attention when she responded to a fan's video explaining why she felt she would be a perfect pick to play rogue as opposed to the heroes. She's usually fan cast such as Storm in the upcoming MCU reboot. That's confidential, Sugar. Palmer responded when asked if anyone from Marvel

has been in touch during a follow-up interview, and she said, no, I'm kidding. I don't know. I just know that the fans, the way that the fans have me booked, Honey, online, I got to do a gig every week. So if we're adding Marvel to it, let's do it. I'm ready for Rogue. Doesn't happen very often, but actors expressing their desire to play a certain character does sometimes pay off and put them on a studio's radar. Is this the case for Palmer? We have no idea if she's in contention to play Rogue, but Daniel Rickman is reporting that Marvel is interested in the actress for a big role in the MCU. He adds that he's not sure have they already met with her, but if not, they will.

Honestly, Rogue or any other X-Men character is probably a long shot, while writer-pitch meetings are said to be underway. Marvel hasn't begun to cast this elusive movie yet, and is unlikely to do so for some time. In fact, there are rumors that contractual issues are preventing Kevin Feigy and company from introducing new actors as the established mutant characters, such as Wolverine, Cyclops Storm to the MCU,

and they may not be able to move forward with a reboot until 2025. There are numerous other roles Marvel could be eyeing Palmer for but who would you most like to see her play? So there are a bunch of different potential roles that they put up there too. So I don't know. I mean, as far as, I don't think it's rogue yet because, as they said, we're too far away from X-Men

and I keep forgetting about that freaking contract thing at 2025. That makes me nervous that we won't actually see whoever is going to... A new cast in Deadpool. I think they, I mean, maybe that's the post-credit scene and there's some loophole, but it not being in the movie. Yeah.

Like, I don't know how that legally works. But maybe that's some sort of like, you know, old-timey. This isn't the movie. But I also think it's going to be really hard going forward with people's impatience now that X-Men 97 is so good. Like I think people are like in an X-Men fever deservedly. And I don't think it's going to be longer than people want. I hope they moopets it. You know how they had the Muppets and then the Muppets?

I hope that that's what they do here. We're like, no, it's rouge. Don't worry about it. It's fine. She's from a different universe. It's like Aavier school. They cover the eggs with a bush. And then like, he's got a toupee so it's different.

It'd be great. It'd be wonderful. What do you think about this potential casting? I love this idea, though. I love Kiki Palmer. I think she is incredible. She does literally everything.

She can do everything. She sings. She dances. She can host. She is hilarious. She is so, she doesn't take herself seriously. She's a great,

great talent, and she loves this character. And we've seen this payoff before with Sima Liu. Maybe this could work here. I think she'd be a great rogue. My one thing about her is she just has to have that great Southern dialect. That's all.

And that's just, She was kind of teasing out. I don't know yet. I mean, it's this, I'm also not in the room. And the same way I said, it'll be in the room for the, for the audition, how it plays. Who all the other X-Men are too? The other X-Men are going to be as well. And then it's a matter of if what, what she said, where she said, I don't want to be typecast as Storm, right?

Or she didn't necessarily say that, but she said, but that, she'd rather play Rogue. But what if they call her in and like, we want you to play Storm? Is she going to say, no? Because at that point, I don't know, because that's also a good, potential casting as well I wonder I mean it's so early and and I do love the idea of someone that actually wants to be in these movies to be in these movies not just a paycheck yeah so I I wonder if it's something where she wants to be in there for whatever role like maybe not an X-Men maybe or if she'd want to be like let me

audition for this and then let's let's hold this for you know something I'm holding out for I don't I don't know if people are in a position of power like that to wait for a role I think that it's probably more likely what you're saying this campaign probably caught some fire and they went oh keep Bummer wants to work with us? Brer in and Kevin Feige is like, well, we got this role coming up. Let's offer that. That's huge.

It's a big role that we got in this upcoming movie and whatever it might be. Let's see if she wants to do that. I think that's more likely because as they were saying in comic movie, you're not going to see an X-Men movie until one, 2026, 27. I think the earliest. I think if you want to go in for Marvel, go in for Marvel. But I also think like we talked about with the Silver Surfer thing at Julia Garner. I think that most likely, I think Anya Taylor, Joy, Julia Garner, and Vanessa Kirby all read for Sue Storm or all read some series of lines. And then I like this performance.

I like this performance. But you'd be going to be here. Maybe they're just bringing in a new batch of actors to start putting in roles. And now people are assuming because of her love of rogue, that's what it is. Of course. And which is fair assessment. I just don't think they're there yet. I agree.

I totally agree. So what do you guys think about this potential casting or where would you want to see Keatie Palmer in the MCU? If at all. I don't know. We all seem to be fans, but maybe you're not a fan of Kiki Pomerang. He's like, nah, I don't know about her in MCU. Or maybe you're not a fan of the MCU. I don't know why you're watching this show.

Where if it's this or maybe you're not a fan of the MCU and you want to see her in the DCU. Maybe you want to see her in James Gunn's universe. So that's probably a better way. So I don't know. Put your comments in there. Let's talk about it. Well, we're talking about the X one. We might as well stay there.

Speaking of Rogue. This is the latest episode. I'm about two behind right now. But if you guys spoil it for me, that's totally fine. There will be spoilers for this episode, so I want everybody to know. So let me ask you both, because we spoke last week about this. I haven't spoken to you yet. I don't know if I've spoken to you about, because you were out,

were you at the last two weeks? I was in cinema con one week. Yeah, so I don't know if we's... I was contagious the other. Yeah, so we didn't, no, that's right, because we spoke... Yeah, you were here. So you haven't spoke to you about episode five to where the question was, Do you think that was the best episode of MCU or Marvel television ever?

For me, the best episode of Marvel TV ever is the Loki Season 2 finale. Okay. I still go with Daredevil episodes, but... Oh, I never think. I think of that as Netflix, but it is technically. Marvel. Just like, you know, Sam Rame was Spider-Man, technically. Yeah.

I would say either the rooftop episode with Punisher and Daredevil or Loki finale, take it for me. But this is in the top 10. I just would need to look at all my... It's in there. This clears top 10. Okay. So it's always hard. for a show to have a big huge episode and then follow up.

You had mentioned Chris last week that you believed that they followed up pretty well on their last episode. Did they do it again this week? Oh, hell yeah. Heck yeah. Sorry. I keep forgetting about language. Oh, hell yes. Okay.

That's all right. I'm trying to just Sesame Street. Oh, heck yeah. Golly gee. It was wonderful. Now that I'm posting on YouTube and I see that like monetization button where it's like, did you swear? I'm like, how do I dot swear at any show ever again?

It's less about that for this show is more. It's like for this show, for the Friday show, for people that wonder, why do you get people curse on the Friday show? For the Friday show and for the Wednesday show, we try to keep it clean because that's where the majority of children listen. I listen to the comic book shows. Like people watch with their kids and people watch with. And so that's why.

Got it. Monday, I got to put a freaking beeper on. Roka curses every other three seconds. And I'm like, but it's one of those things. It's not tend to be. And the Thursday show is basically a big, being at bar two in the morning. So you get what you get there.

Fair. But this show, that's what it is. It's more about that. Anyway. My family's from Dorchester, so we use the F-bomb like the word life. I understand. You know, so it creeps out.

But anyway. I think I knew that. Really? From Dorchester? My mom is. My mom. Really? Yeah.

Oh my gosh. No idea. Now your steak on pizza is insulting. I had let it go when you said Texas. But now that you're from Mass. I'm not from there, though. My mom is. But your genetics say this is illegal.

I know. I'm just saying the code of Boston. It's a wicked gross pizza. I love pineapple and pizza. You know, we're not getting lunch after this. Bye, guys. Chris Carr's last appearance, not because she said anything about comics wrong. It's because she disrespected pizza as an art for.

I always knew I'd get canceled, but I didn't know it'd be for this. You thought I was bad. You just put pineapples of pizza in this stupid idiot's house? Oh, come on, Chris. You blew it. I know. I thought you had my back, man. Oh, I do, but it's still fun to watch chaos ensue.

That's fair. I had a girlfriend named Sue. I love him. Okay, so this episode, though, the last episode, I think, was a great palate cleanser. We saw the other X-Men to react to everything that happened. It worked out really beautifully. And now we have really the aftermath of what went down. And I think it was handled really, really well.

Some of this stuff with rogue here is so dark. Can we spoil everything? Yeah, you can spoil it. It's fine. I mean, she doesn't go to Gambits' funeral, and we, We have some really incredible Easter eggs there, too, especially if you watch the original series. Why does she go? Too painful? It's too painful. The love of her life is gone. Oh, my gosh. And she's out for revenge.

Okay. So she is doing her own thing, but we have this amazing funeral scene with an incredible eulogy by Nightcrawler. Winston did a really great reaction to that. It was really, really fun. You guys should watch it. But we've got the members of the Assassins Guild there, the Thieves Guild. We have his brother at the funeral. So just a couple nice little Easter eggs. If you grew up watching the TV show, It's a beautifully done episode. And then we have our reveal of our Big Bad and everything, too.

We've got Cap in the episode. We've got Ross in the episode. Yeah. It's killer. The voice is Cap. Josh Keaton. Yeah, I was going to say, I think it's Spider-Man.

It's still the same actor who does him on What If as well. Okay. I personally, the reveal of the Big Bad, I like that it's a deep cut. Like, it's a character that I know and love, but I love that everyone in the comments on, like, my reaction was like,

who was this? So I actually did like a full breakdown. And it was so fun for me to do a video breakdown of a character that I never thought we'd see. Because generally, like, at this point in Marvel, it's like, oh, everyone that, you know, is big enough to fight the Avengers, everyone kind of knows. Like, my grandma knows

who Thanos is. But this guy is a big bad because they've built him that way, but the character isn't someone everyone to know. And is this big bad? Is this the one who did the big massacre and everything to? Yeah, like, he's responsible. He's been the one pulling the strings. So you guys were wrong about who you thought it was. Yes, because before I was like, oh, it's Cassandra.

It's absolutely Cassandra. That's who this is. He was in my big three guesses, but He wasn't my number one thing. So who was this? Okay, I want to say it? This guy, Bastion. So Bastion is the combination of the Mega Mold and the... Nimrod.

And Nimrod, thank you. And in the opening credits, Nimrod's standing in the Master Mold, not Mega Mold, standing in the Master Mold's chess piece. So basically in the comic books, what happens is there's this thing called the Siege Perilus, which is this artifact that is from Arthurian myth, and they bring it into the comics. And when this battle occurs, they push this entity through the Siege Paralus, and it comes out formed as this guy.

the guy doesn't realize what he is is raised as a human and then realizes later through his hatred of mutants and kind of forms a bunch of hate groups that he's this entity and then he starts single handedly taking up mutants because he's got the public persona on his side through government oversight and all that stuff but he's also effectively a human

sentinel. Oh shit. Intense and wild. It introduces to OCT Operation Zero Tolerance. Great comic run. So it's really really deep cuts here too because once it was Bastioner went oh well yeah yeah this makes all the seeds were playing stand everything and it's wonderfully cast as Theo James. Oh, dude, his voice is so cool coming out.

His voice is incredible. Did you catch the, now that you've seen who it is, the Bastion Easter egg in the Forge thing? So I went and watched, went back and watched the episodes too because I keep trying to do that of like, wait, no, I need to go back and see that photo that other people are referencing. And now I'm just, there's all the points were laid out there. And even cable saying like, you know, he's coming. All of that is from the comics.

And it's so like right there if you read the books. And I'm just so happy. He's coming. I was like, yeah, a Sentinel. I felt so dumb afterwards. The Sentinel. Also in the comics, Bastion is able to basically, because of Onslaught, which, do you know, Onslaught, like Magneto and Magneto and Xavier formed this one giant entity that causes the

entire heroic population to basically unalive themselves, to take it out. So when that void of heroes happens, that causes Heroes were born and all this stuff. But in that time, Xavier's so guilt-ridden, he gives himself up, and then this guy takes over Xavier's school, gets all the files and everyone, and basically is able to single-handedly take out the X-Men, and then he's able to use those files to turn humans into Sentinel Primes. And he basically takes over the world for a while. So I saw, as you guys were talking, I realized I think I did see a little bit of the episode. What was the big episode?

Five. Yes. I think I saw a little six. So Xavier's back, right? Yes, sure. He's in space. So yeah, he got sent away and basically everyone. No, but all of the public has been told Charles Xavier's dad.

Right, right. And for all intents and purpose, he was. Yeah. He doesn't exist on earth and he's been sent off to try to be healed. Okay. So we're going to have him come back and everything. And that's, that's comic canon. into as well. But now people are going to get that fed to them as well, it sounds like is,

oh, no, now we're going to reveal to the public that Charles Xavier has just been hiding. And we've been teased E's for extinction from the beginning. And the last three episodes are called tolerance is extinction. So they've talked about tolerance and like tolerating human and mutine kind living together. So I think this E for extinction run in the comics is going to be huge in these last three. I'll tell you what, though. And this is none of you have argued against this every time I've setup and I think everyone's on the same page is that it just shows you how important the X-Men are going to be should be and should be the primary focus of Marvel once this freaking multiverse thing is over you should go heavy into the X-Men for five to ten years because the

I mean I haven't watched the last two episodes but hearing you and Winston last week talk about it Chris hearing you guys talk about it now the excitement in everybody's voices and the investment and all these characters are so there that you can tell why Figey'd be like, is that deal done yet? 2025, let's get this moving. Because this is, X-Men is going to be the thing

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always pinned to the top comment. Okay, here you go. All right, Sam Ramey, we talked about this, and I think we, I don't know if we talked about it last week, the week before, but we discussed Sam Ramey. There was a rumor that he was going to do Spider-Man 4. There's a rumor that he was going to do Secret Wars, where apparently he commented on it.

And the original Spider-Man trilogy director, Sam Ramey, has addressed the recent rumors that he might be in the mix to direct Secret Wars, as well as the four Spider-Men movie starring Toby McGuire. That's not the one we covered. We covered the fourth Tom Holland movie. That was the rumor that was going around there. Mark Cassidy says shortly after the release of Dr. Strange

in the multiverse of madness, rumors began to do the rounds that Sam Ramey was in talks with Marvel Studios to helm another project. And the filmmaker has since been linked to three different movies, one of them, which might never happen. Ramey was said to be one of the established filmmakers that Kevin Feigy was looking at for Avengers, Secret Wars, and more recently separate rumors claimed that he was in talks to direct Spider-Man 4,

as in Sony Pictures No Way Home following up, starring Tom Holland, and Spider-Man 4, which will be a direct sequel to his original trilogy starring Toby McGuire. So is he attached to any of these? He says, I don't have any plans, Ramey told the rap. When asked about a possible return to the MCU on the red carpet of the Boy Kills World Premier, he says, but I would love it. When asked about revisiting his Spider-Man trilogy for another installment with McGuire, Ramey explained his thought process for the story.

He said, I'd have to know what the next thing the character has to learn. I'd have to talk with Toby and the writers and really figure out what his personal growth for this episode would be. I think if we were going to make a four Spider-Man film, we'd probably have to figure out the journey that Toby McGuire, his character, would be going on. and what obstacles he had to overcome to achieve that growth personally. He said, and I hope that the villain would be chosen based on a representation of that obstacle. It seems like Sam Ramey would definitely be interested if the opportunity presented itself, but if he has had serious talks with the studio about boarding any of the above projects,

he's clearly not ready to confirm anything for the time being. As for Spider-Man 4, that is definitely happening. Sony's Tom Rothman and Marvel Studios head Kevin Feige, he had rumored to have had some disagreements when it comes to the overall plot with the latter hoping to scale the multiverse elements back for a smaller story. Rothman, meanwhile, is said to want to capitalize on No Way Home Success by bringing McGuire and Andrew Garfields back as their respective takes on Peter Parker. Holland will, of course, be back as the MCU's Spidey, but the actors believed to be growing

weary of playing the iconic hero, so this could be his final time in the red and blue suit. Yeah, but he just had a comment the other day, which said he wanted to play it for a while. No Way Home Scribes, Chris McKenna, Eric Summers are currently working on the script, but we still don't know which of the wall crawlers fearsome foes will be causing problems for Peter and company. Most of Spidey's major bad guys have already been used in previous films, but a recent rumor claimed that the still untitled sequel will feature a villain that we haven't seen yet. Okay, so let's address a lot of this. Let's start with the fact of Sam Ramey, the comments alone.

all he said, he didn't say no, none of those rumors are true. He just said, I'm not, basically I'm not booked on anything yet. I feel like you and I are on the same page here. If any of those are true, I want to see him do the Toby McGuire movie. The Toby McGuire one makes sense. It makes the most sense for him to continue on that journey, to continue with the story that he started, that kind of launched the modern day comic book movie as we know it, right? And I would love to see it because, like we talked about last time, I'm a Rami girlie.

I love his stuff. And I don't like horror very much, but he's so weird and messed up and out there. I love what he does. And I love that Spider-Man has a weird pubescent journey. I think he did a great job with all of that. I don't want him for something like Avengers particularly. I think Secret Wars honestly could be really cool because that is such a weird story in itself anyway. But the Toby McGuire situation is the one that makes the most sense.

And obviously, too, when somebody approaches you of like, would you like to do Marvel again, unless you had a horrendous thing. like John Voyega as experience, you're not going to be like, nah, screw those guys, I'd never do a Marvel movie. Didn't Kevin Feige work on the first Spider-Man movies? He worked in the X-Men movies. I know he worked in the Expo movies. I wasn't sure if he worked on Spider-Man also.

I'm pretty sure at the time Sony slash Touchstone wouldn't have let him if he was at Fox. Like, I can't imagine that one. You're probably right. But you know he's a major Sam Ramey fan. Yeah. He's like Kevin Figey loves Sam Ramey. He's probably a Sam Ramey head. And that's why you keep hearing these rumors because he probably,

because let's get Sam to do it. And it's like, that's the one time, and I know there's a lot of people who disagree with me, that's the one time when I hear Kevin Feige speaking, I'm like, he's not thinking with his creative brain, he's thinking of his fan brain. Because overall, for the MCU,

I don't think Sam Ramies the right choice for either one of those MCU movies. I think for everything that you just said, to see him do another Toby McGuire Spider-Ren movie would be so therapeutic because of all of the drama that went down with that fourth potential movie that was going to happen,

It was days away from shooting, and it fell apart. And in order to keep the property in general, they pushed forward the Andrew Garfield movies. And I'm glad that he did. I loved him as Spider-Man, and I'm glad we got an Andrew Garfield Spider-Man. But it took away that fourth movie. This would be poetic. I also think it solves both the problems. If you don't want, I don't think they should do another multiversial.

I think we have earned a small Tom Holland film. So make a Toby movie, and then you don't need to make a multiversal movie. I mean, Andrew is my favorite Spider-Man. Sorry, Tom, I love you. Andrew's my Spider-Man. But if it means, like, we can do an Andrew, a Toby, and a Tom separate, then that's the move. Instead of multiversal, give us closure for Andrew, closure for Toby. Give Tom his last ride if he wants out.

I do think I heard that quote about him wanting to play it for a while, but he seems to be more creatively involved now. Tom Holland seems to be actually in the writer's rooms and at least like on emails and doing things. So he seems to want a more grounded story. He seemed to be very happy being Mr. Zendaya right now. Like I want dude to have a happy life. Like as much as I love the Tom Holland Spider-Man, it seems real stressful to be public figure Tom Holland,

and it seems real great to be Mr. Zendaya. So if Tom doesn't want to do a lot of these. But he had a comment the other day. We just talked about it. He said that he has had those comments of, I don't know, but now I think that the conversations are getting more serious. And I think he said, I'll play this character for as long as they want.

I owe a lot to him. And if maybe saying, like, no thanks meant he get more creative control. That's what I'm hoping. Well, he's getting that Ryan Reynolds kind of treatment now. Because in an interview he talks about, This is the first time I've been this involved in the creative process. And that's so exciting for him. And it goes back to, again, Marvel focusing on quality of, if I come back, it has to be for a meaningful story.

We have to explore what's happening to Peter now, how this now works without anyone knowing who he is, him losing his friends, him having no family. How does he exist in that world? And it can't be all this cosmic stuff. It has to be the Parker luck. It has to be boots on the ground. And those are the things that make Spider-Man so fun anyway. And there's so many other characters that are doing the big stuff. And I also love that Sam Ramey said, like, and the villain has to represent the story because they pushed venom on them.

Like, he wanted to make a Sandman movie and clearly didn't want Venom and they made him make venom because he was popular. So I love that he's already standing his ground, which also makes me think that is further along. Like, he didn't just say, like, maybe. He said, like, here's what I'd want. Here's what I'd do. Here's the thing. So I'm hoping that means, you know, him thinking about it isn't just Sam Ramey's sitting at home. Like, you know, I'd like it.

I hope it's a conversation. And I'd want Spider-Man 4 to be the Toby one person. Totally. I still think it does show. And the other thing it'll also do is force Sony to stop making the side characters that nobody gives a crap about, right? And you're not excited about Craven the Hunter? I like Aaron Taylor Johnson, but, and I'm going to stop doing it because I told myself, I'm going to stop doing it.

It was the last time, but I've been calling it Craven the Fart Hunter because I think that it is for some reason chasing the gas because it's not going to do anything except, oh, is that stink again. And that's what Sony is. When it comes to the Spider-Man movies, it's the stuff. distinct. I hope it's great because I really like Aaron Taylor Johnson. It is concerning though how many writers have been brought in since their cinema con presentation to continue fixing the script. And it doesn't matter what kind of

talent you got involved. Annie Circus is one of my favorite people all the way around acting directing all that stuff. Two was Venom two was not good and it's still fun it's fun but it's not enough to but it took a significant hit in box office as far as the first one and it might do the same with the third and what I'm hearing, I had somebody who told me that they've seen it, says, not good. And this is someone who was a fan of one and two. That said, not good. I mean, I think they should look at Madam Webb, like Marvel's looking at their stuff and going, like, okay, we need to pivot.

And why not make three Spider-Man movies? Why not give us an Andrew, a Toby and a Tom? I really want the Andrew one. That's what I was saying. That's right there. Like, there's the money. Put the money there. I've said this so many times, though.

I don't know what the deal was. I don't know legality, what it was. How in the world Sony didn't say when they were making that, last movie with the three of them in it together for Marvel going, okay, well, this clearly is going to hit really well. Let's put into focus right away. Let's start putting in development. Andrew's next Spider-Man movie, that can come out, you know, maybe in 2023 or 2024.

Toby's movie can come out. Let's get Sam. And line those up because now we're invested in them already and their characters in a very popular Marvel movie and we own the rights to Spiderman. Look at all the buzz on the Sam Ramier releases. I mean, the ones playing right now. Spider-Man one and two and upcoming three. Like now,

announce it with three. I don't understand why you wouldn't make those spin-off movies. Those movies would have done so much better than Madame Webb and... Don't tell me that Andrew Garfield stopped pulling his punches and not let me see that movie. Don't tease a Venom movie with Andrew Garfield because he's jealously got to fought an alien and not give us that movie. Also, if you want Miles, use one of the Spider-Men you already have. Like, if you don't want Tom Holland to die off yet, I'm sorry, Andrew Garfield. Maybe you're the guy that is the mentor to Miles and then dies.

Or maybe Toby is. Either way, that's gonna have more heart. And I feel like both of them would love that. Yes. Of, oh my gosh, give me a great comic book death. Send me off so I can usher in somebody else. How beautiful would that be? And the villain thing, I think it's interesting

this article's like all of his popular villains are gone. Those villains are only popular because they got made into movies. So if you put a villain in a movie, he's gonna get popular. I think it's really interesting because Sam Ramey's one of the unique directors that would have like a tombstone in his back pocket. That would have like how to make Rocket Racer cool. I mean, those don't use those. But he's the guy that would have a weird villain that he could utilize

narratively. So make someone popular. So let Sam play. Well, there you go. All right. So that's everything. We covered a lot of it. So what did you guys think?

Overall, how would you feel should Sam Ramey do a Spider-Man 4 or should- my daughter keeps texting me? I want she's texting from school. So there you go. That's it. What do you guys think? Should Sam Ramey do Spider-Man 4 with? Toby McGuire, or should you do Spider-Man 4 with Tom Holland, or should he do Avengers?

Where do you stand on it? We've talked about this. We'll talk about it again. I'd like to thank my co-host today, starting with Chris Carr. Where can they find you? Oh, you can find me on Instagram. It's Chris Carr. You can find my voiceover studio, speak friend's studio.

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I'll do two of these things. And they were just going to start, Chappell, man, why are you watching this? And they weren't. They were the most loving fan base. I have ever been a part of, to this day, the amount of positivity of people going, oh, we're so glad that you're learning about this world. It was great.

It was my favorite feeling. I will absolutely be doing reactions to season two because of them. I love the show, but it's because of the fan. The straw hats are very sweet. They're wonderful. They're wonderful. I love that. Go ahead, Corey.

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