The Kristian Harloff Show - DEADPOOL AND WOLVERINE SPOILER Discussion!

Episode Date: July 29, 2024

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It made so much money at the box office. It overperformed, is that's how confident I am. We pre-taped, and I can tell you that the Deadpool movie, Part 3, it crushed it. So we're going to talk about all things, spoilers here on the show today. So if you haven't seen the movie already, then what the hell are you doing here? go to the movies and then come back and watch this because we're going to spoil the hell out of it. We have so much to talk about so many things. We'll break it down.

It's myself and Winston and Coy. It's the spoiler-heavy episode of Deadpool and Wolverine. Big thing. Here we go. What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the Monday episode. Yes, Roko will be back. Hopefully, I think we're going to do a live episode tomorrow.

So we're doing a spoiler-heavy episode of Deadpool and Wolverine. It's myself. Coy, Jondro, Winston, A. Marshall. And guys were getting into the spoiler heavy episode of this. And it's so funny because there's so many things I wanted to talk about when we did

like our little preview special or we're talking on Friday. And I was at the screening in New York and when I saw it, there were so many jokes that I knew it was going to hit, especially you guys, but there was one in particular and it was when this big cameo happens with

and again, like I said, we're doing a big spoiler. Well, this, we'll start with this. start with this one and we'll get into it as we'll ease our way into it. But Jennifer Garner was rumored to be in the movie and she clearly is in. She returns as Electra. And there's this rapid fire pace of jokes going on at this point of all the people that had been lost in this, in the void. And at one point, they're like, oh, you lost this person. We lost this person. And we lost Daredevil? And Jennifer Garner goes, that's okay. And the second that happened, I heard Winston from the other side of the coast cracking up.

Yeah, just cracking up. And I was absolutely thinking of you guys for sure. But these types of jokes, the inside jokes there. I mean, let's just get into the beginning of this. Coy, I'll start with you, man. So you get to this movie, it starts off, and we get Deadpool, just beating the piss out of the TVA, and he's at the gravesite of Logan.

and they address that right away. People, how are they going to address this, this James Mangold? I thought they did that very well with, look, this is part of the Middle Universe. He's dead. He's not here. And this is him at the grave.

So that was one of the first things I, like, called when they first released the first trailer, he was in the woods. And I was like, those are the woods that Logan's buried. And they're definitely doing that. But the great example of my expectations with knowing too much about Deadpool and my thinking things were going to be this way or that. That was one of the best examples of,

Oh, that makes sense. I think that's what they're going to do. But the execution of it was so much better than I could have dreamed. I'm so glad I was wrong about some things we'll get into, but I'm so glad that the things I was right about, they over-delivered on. And I think that opening, that,

how do you keep up with the first film's opening montage of the hilarious, the second one, solid, but the first one for me is like, I think the first one, opening credit will always have a special place in my heart, because it was five minutes into a movie and I was like, I think this is changing my life,

like in real time. And like the jokes about the, the crew, the cast, all that stuff. And that first one, how do you keep up with that? And the fact that he's fighting using Wolverine's body to take out TVA agents. And that's when the credits comes up. That was such a beautiful set to in sync. Like, what a magnificent opening credit.

I got to say, of all the episodes of the big thing we've ever done, out of all the episodes of Capes and Cal's we've ever done, Friday's show was the hardest for me because I don't know how to talk about this movie without spoilers. Yeah, that was me. It's the hardest to edit for me. I'll tell you that. Yeah, it's the same, I could say the same thing that was rough for me doing my non-spoiler versus spoiler review personally and us talking on Friday is, you can't really talk about this

movie without actually talking about the movie. And I think the fact that Ryan Reynolds used a TikTok with Blake being like, you know Deadpool is married to a millennial without telling me that he's married to a millennial. to show Averill Levine playing in the van and for him to do the full bye-bye-bye choreography while killing the TVA is the most peak Deadpool Ryan Reynolds thing I could think of.

Yeah. Set the tone so quickly about what this was about to be and I genuinely appreciate that. And his gossip girl joke was even was great to like, yeah, these little things that he would keep playing. Oh yeah. Like you, when that, the thing is it doesn't,

this is what I really liked about it was even though I said where my criticism was there's a lot of jokes and sometimes it overshadows the heart of it. It never stayed inconsistent, right? And even from the tone that it sets from the very beginning. And even like when they are going to give a joke to somebody else, he's just like, no, no, no speaking lines. He says to the one guy and then the guy was speaking anyway and he's like, are you improvving? Yeah. To die be a day player?

Yeah. Let the extras clear. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's all that. And I, I felt, what did you guys feel about, about Canadian or nice pool? I personally could see where people wouldn't like him, but I'm bigger a Ryan Reynolds fan than I am almost any other actor comedically. And I think Ryan Reynolds' drama doesn't get enough credit. Like I made a whole video about Ryan Reynolds movies because as I'm like the biggest Deadpool fan maybe on the planet.

But Ryan Reynolds, I'm also like, he's in my top five actors. but if I didn't love Ryan Reynolds, I think it would have annoyed me, but instead I was like, oh, I get to see a Van Wilder joke. I get to see the proposal joke. That made me joyous, but I also was aware, like, it wasn't landing for everyone in the theater. I was trying to remember what the proposal came from, and it was nice, cool, like, I could do the fourth wall thing lightly too. The propose. Yeah, I see, what are you talking about? I'm jealous. I know you're loving the energy already in this spoiler review with myself, Winston, and Coy, and it's, we're going to keep doing it. Don't worry about it. I also wanted to tell you about Magic Mind. I've been telling you about Magic Mind. It's a reason why the three of us are still bouncing around and we're having such a good time.

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Yeah, still, and he's still walking. It just shows throughout the whole thing how just deadpool is just such a jerk off, you know? And it's like, he's like the stuff that he does. And even the bed and, and we'll jump into so many. We're going to bounce back and forth. We're not going to go in kind of in sequence here. Like, I thought what was brilliant was when they solidly played as they reveal when they get to the void. And here's Chris Evans.

He shows up. And he has the hood on. And they subtly play the Avengers theme. Or Captain America is very, very in the background. But I noticed, I'm like, he looks skinnier. He looks skinnier than he normally. He's skinnier. And then when they reveal why, it's because he's Johnny Storm.

And when he flies up, flame on, I was like, say it. He's going to say. He's like, flame on. you're like, oh, that's cool that they did that because, yeah, it made sense. It's the Fox universe. I wrote that joke eight years ago at Collider or seven years ago at Collider, and I said it to Rob Lefeld, and he said that's exactly what the next Deadpool movie needs to have. If I was in charge, I would greenlight this.

And I have it on video with receipts. That whole sequence to a T scripted. And I'm just proud. I don't want any residuals or anything. I'm just glad we had the same humor because that was like so funny to me. And I literally have receipts of being like, this is what I'd like the movie to be. The only thing that was wild to me. and I don't think I ever processed it

because I never thought of Pyro and Johnny Storm fighting each other. To the point where I'm surprised that pyro didn't, because he controlled flames, didn't just start flinging his body around like he was magneto. It was just something that all of a sudden I was like, oh shit, human torch would lose to pyro. I didn't even think about it.

But yeah, I think my highlight. But wait, wait, stay there for, don't jump into the reason I brought that up though, Winston, because I want to get your thoughts on that particular thing is because the reason I got there is because Deadpool's been such a jerk off is even the way he throws, you know, Johnny Storm,

well, we think he throws him to the wolves when he's like, yeah, this is what he said. This is what he said about you to Nova, and then Nova's sucked his skin off and just destroys him, and he's just like, oh my God, and Wolverine, shows you what Wolverine's a good guy, he's like, he just let that guy die. What are he doing?

Like that was that that's the type of stuff that was working like you see the moral like how you see the difference between the two of them and you see like the where Wolverine is a good dude and he's just like what are you doing? You just let that guy like completely get murdered. Yeah. And that to me with you speaking of Wolverine being a good dude, a lot of that is even tying to what his story is. So the idea that he was a horrible dude for so long that the absolute worst happened. And ironically, I think that that is the through line with the A and the B story of trying to do this, is that Deadpool obviously has been very self-centered this entire time. And the lesson he's learning from both Vanessa breaking up with him and then his world being erased is that if you don't actually maintain a purpose and start thinking outside of yourself, you're going to lose everything.

And that's the lesson he's learning from being around Wolverine. He didn't want to be on the team. He just was more concerned about himself and being drunk and his whole family was murdered for it. And so I think that that was why it made it so important that he, A, didn't want to mess with Deadpillar first, but B, that he was allowed to do his education, he was following the educated wish. Yeah. Because that is his biggest life's regret to no extent. Well, and then when we get to the fact that in the beginning of those opening credits, we show,

well, this is exactly what's going to happen. Then we bounce to show what he's been up to since then. And there's that scene between him and Happy Hogan, where he tries to go in and actually have become a member of the Avengers. And he did that through how? He did that be through Cables thing? Is that what he did? Okay, he did that through the watch.

And he goes in there and he wants to become a member. And there's this moment where he's like, eh, you know, we'll keep an eye on you, but not quite yet. And it let him down. So he hangs up the suit. He's got this, the moment with Rob Delaney, who I think has a nice moment in it also later on down the line. But starting, they have this whole.

moment where he knows he's being watched, thinks he's being watched. You get to the party, he has the cocaine conversation that we laughed about which in the trailer, it plays just as well on the screen when, and he's, we find out that he's not with Vanessa anymore.

And then we get to the TVA stuff. Now, what did you guys think of, what was it, Paradox? Is that, is that his name? Mr. Paradox, yeah. Yeah. I thought, and I know he's from succession, I didn't watch that show. I thought he felt like he was a little funnier than he really was.

Yeah, I can see that 100% and I think that it was addressed in since I had just rewatched the first Deadpool in the opening credits it's like, you know, some hard throb, you know, a hot chick

and then like a British villain. It felt like a giant callback to that because he even said it at one point, hey, I've got my own British villain I got to deal with right now. I don't have time. I think that that's kind of what it was And since you were needing to deal with multiversal stuff, you needed a way into TVA. So that was why you went with Mr. Paradox as far as all that goes. It did feel a little more phoned in.

And the villain with more depth, obviously, was Cassandra. Cassandra was thrown away as a child. And so therefore has become pure evil because of how she was mistreated her entire life. So she's like, fine, I'm going to do me. I found her way more interesting than Mr. Peradox. He was more of a joke to me. Yeah. I think,

I mean, yeah, it was definitely an A plot, B plot villain set up. And I think we were meant to see him as the villain and then the reveal like Asandra Nova, I thought Cassandra Nova was excellent. I personally thought as a villain, she was fantastic.

I didn't really have a lot of strong feelings for or against him. I definitely felt that we see later on in the film, there's like a, you're the juggernaut of the week. Like, you know, they have those other cast members that are stand-ins. Like there's a slylock that is in Olivia Munn. I definitely feel like they wanted Owen Wilson.

Because in the comics, Mr. Paradox is a variant of Mobius. And I don't know if they named him that to be cheeky to comic fans. But in the comics, he's a variant of Owen Wilson's character, and I wonder if much like they couldn't get Vinny Jones to want to be in all that prosthetics again, if maybe they wrote it for Owen Wilson. Because I definitely found a need for lines to land a little stronger for me. Sure. But I mean, I would say the reason they probably didn't do that is because that wouldn't line up

with that wouldn't line up with Loki the season two if they wouldn't let him like maybe maybe it makes sense no if you watch the loki season two because it's the same it's the same place that we just saw and should we know that um what's what's the woman who's running it now who falls for delaney at the end 15 uh what's it b 15 yeah b 15 yeah so b she she she's running the stuff she would if if i mean she would know if there was a bad variant of of you know uh yeah that's true that would cause way more plot holes i just the name and again it's just for comic fans but the name is is very specific. Sure, sure.

And while he, and I just thought there was, the tone, when he was on there, it was like, and he's clearly a really good actor. And I just thought sometimes the direction that he was given there, just, it was a little,

it, I don't know, like, it was, I like the idea of when there, when Deadpool's the one, who's the funny one. I like when Deadpool's the one

who's telling, I mean, and he clearly has other people who are funny around him, but he's the one who's clearly cracking jokes, making all these things. And it seemed like they were trying to make that guy,

like, really funny every time you was trying to go back and forth with Deadpool. I'm like, eh. But nonetheless, this is where I brought this up on Friday. I don't want to bring it back. He offers Deadpool this chance to say, you can matter. We're going to let you matter and look at all this stuff. And he sees a scene with Thor holding him.

And Thor is holding him. I think that's going to be in the Avengers movie. Probably. I think that's not. I would venture, I guess, that that is definitely going to show. up once we get to secret wars right as for now we'll call it secret wars part one and part two uh since we don't have more information so i think that'll show up at some point um i think again the ultimate lesson that to be learned here uh is are you willing to sacrifice every one and everything

that you love and loves you to get everything you ever wanted or are you willing to sacrifice yourself to protect those that you love and love you. And I think that that was the thing. It was, hey, I'll make you a movie star more or less, but you have to sell out completely and all of your things are gone forever and you can never talk to them again. A deal with the devil essentially. Yeah.

And instead being like, no, you know what, that's not important. They're important. That's what I'm going to do to do all that. And I, and I that is the part that I think I appreciated after, out of Mr. Paradox, if anything, the vibe I got, but this character would typically be

little more nefarious. It felt very Mephistoy, to be honest with you. That is not who this was. I'm not implying that that's what was going on. But again, because it felt very deal of the devil and I'm going to do whatever I can to like reign how I will. That is the immediate like, come on. There you go. Did you mean Avenger? That's interesting. I went for me and that's what's fun about these movies is I read the character completely opposite. I read it as someone who's not good at their job who is trying to bumblingly do something nefarious because like definitely even says like, oh, nobody knows about this. Like, you're lying.

And he gets away with, because he's got this own little private cadre. So to me, it was a guy that was trying to be funny and not succeeding. That was trying to be nefarious and not succeeding. So that made the jokes that didn't land work for me because I was accepting of it. But I did find myself intentionally, like the last felt like I was supposed to be laughing. And I didn't. And I was like, maybe that's what this character is. And that's the only time I was like uncertain of the character's goal in the film.

Did his jokes land in your screen? some of them not a whole whole lot they really didn't land in the mind he's not he's not the anchor no and that's but so Deadpool takes off and he goes on his he goes on his run and he says that's how I get back to where he was and he gets to the

he gets to the grave and whatever it might be and then he goes recruiting Wolverines and which was one of the funniest montages ever when you finally see little Hugh Jackman little Wolverine and and even yeah it was so it was so good

like to see where he's finally they And he goes through all these different ones. And then we get my favorite reveal. Well, I have two, but one, the favorite, I think, little cameo was Henry Cavill, finally popping into the MCU as Wolverine. As Wolverine. And it was like he looked perfect as him. He was huge.

But he looked perfect as him. Jack. And the shot that they take at D.C. there, that one of these, you know, these, what's he call him, douchebags down the street or jerkups in a house? That was hilarious. He called him that. And then. I also love that Cavill looks like the right proportions of Wolverine because he's so big that he looks like the right width to height and he's still 6.3.

I like that Cavill is so big that it makes the Hugh Jackman proportions look like, oh, a regular sized guy, Hugh Jackman. Hugh Jackman is so huge jacked man. And Henry Cavill's like, what if I'm like, what a magnificent beast. Yeah. I was just going to say, I think the other thing that I love that they did, it was its own little further meta nod is huge. sorry, Henry has talked about, he loves building computers, he loves working on engines. The fact that he's working on Wolverine's bike while doing that, and you're further nodding to Henry is like,

so what have I done in my downtime since these assholes cut me from D.C.? And it's Cavilline, so it's Henry Cavill, like that Ryan Reynolds knows Henry Cavill as Wolverine. Well, that's what I like when they still, they, Henry Cavill didn't have to take a joke at the Warner Brothers stuff. Deadpool did it. That's like when Deadpool's doing the jokes, and Deadpool is the one who's kind of showing us by that's that's when it works the best and he did that and that's the only one I thought we're going to see a whole bunch of different Wolverines

and everybody else was Hugh Jackman except him and he was the only one and then we see the different there's different versions of him that he's trying to get and there's one that I was like I'm surprised who's the poor bastard that was hung up in on the cross that's that's an iconic comic cover is it X-Men 151 or 51 it's yeah it's a magic story storyline. It's intense. And he just backs away. He's like, oh, so sorry, you're not the right time. Yeah. And he leaves like, so there was that. And then when he approaches the one kind of bond, when I was like, oh, we're going to see Daniel Radcliffe. And it doesn't, it wasn't Daniel Radcliffe. It was Hugh Jackman doing the patch side of it. And I think he spikes him in the head and kills him there.

So like that little montage was pretty great. And then they finally, you get to that scene, what we've seen in the trailers where he recruits this Wolverine. We learn him in this. And even the bartender going. you're not welcome here. We don't want you here. You know, you messed. And he says, like, just give me my drink. And I'm going to get out of here.

And that's when when Deadpool approaches him. So all that, talk to me, Coy, about the montage and what you thought of it overall. Age of Apocalypse, man. I never thought we'd ever see Wolverine Age of Apocalypse, much less Hugh Jackman. That's the one with the stub. It's so iconic. It's so 90s. Which one was it?

What was it? Which part of it? Missing a hand. Oh, okay. And they've got that giant brick wall with graffiti they fight in front of. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a very iconic 90s comic. It's an alternate universe Wolverine and he lost his arm, but he still has the claws come out through the stub.

And basically, like, the big feral hair and beard, I never thought we'd see that, especially as Hugh Jackman. So as a comic guy, that was one of those moments where I described this in my review. I consider this the most comic book movie maybe ever filmed in live action. and some of my favorite comic book movies are great adaptations of the characters put into a movie. Winter Soldier is not like reading a comic. It's like looking at a movie with these comic characters. And I would say the same about Iron Man. It doesn't feel like a comic.

It feels like a movie with comic characters. Dark Night feels like a movie with comic characters. This and Spiderverse and a couple moments of Civil War feel to me like the best I've ever described the feeling of feeling like you're reading a comic. That montage was reading a comic book. The Deadpool core reading a comic book. There are so many moments in this that are the best version of something that I don't have the verbiage to describe. Yeah. Yeah.

The montage was great. The Caval moment, I think, is the one that stuck out the most. I think what I loved about when we got to our Wolverine for this movie was it was the perfect setup. You're not welcome here. You're just thinking it's standard. Oh, this mutant hate type situation. It's like, no, no, no, no. no, no, no, Wolverine is an asshole.

Like, he genuinely screwed up here. And I thought that that was a nice, another kind of secret almost, like as we get to become introduced. His third-eye flashback. And I will say, but you know what I, and even when I'm going through this, I just saw the movie. And I'm trying, like, sometimes you see a movie and it goes, it's in your head.

What happened there? I remember, like, it's pretty clear, like everything that happens. After that, when he gets Wolverine and he brings him back, if they have this, you know, if he's able to bring him back into the, he's now bringing back to, what's his face from the succession guy or Mr. Paradox.

And he brings him in and he said, this Wolverine, you got this one, this is the worst Wolverine that he possibly could have gotten. And then they set up this entire thing where he's got to disappear and they have the back and forth with the guy who's sitting there.

He said, who you call it? He's like, if you're calling your wife, he's calling, he's calling HR. Your wife work in HR? It's like, it's like,

and he's great. you with the butt coming right to his fed man there were so many good jokes it was a funny it was a funny funny movie and then so they they do that and then they jump and then when he this is when he gets zapped into the freaking the void right

right here and he gets they get zapped into the void he's like where did he go he'd go with him and then this is where we get to the Johnny Storm thing and this kind of and they the mad Max speech that he gives when he's got freaking saber to his head and he's doing the Furiosa line

I'm hilarious. Maybe you know how. How is Sabretooth dead? I need you to explain this to me. I'm assuming it's a variant that's like bad it is. Like, you know what I mean? Like, it's like,

Deadpool. Like, because as soon as he got, I was like, what? It was supposed to come to Tyler Maine, right? Yeah. And so I actually mentioned that in my X-Men rewatch.

I was like, or, uh, X2 actually. I was like, I'll believe that Toad died when he got shocked by lightning and thrown off of a building. Right.

But I'm not believing that Sabreto got stabbed and thrown off the, you know, the Statue of Liberty and now he's dead. So maybe that's what it is. It just has a weaker. I think it's like Deadpool, like the, the nice pool where it's like not good at your job. And the same thing is I would have never in a million years imagine that juggernaut's legs would get cut off. That also doesn't make sense to me. But maybe it's the same thing.

Since you didn't have Vinnie Jones, it was like, yeah, you can take this week's Jaggernaut. Like they literally. Yeah. So there's that entire setup and then both. And I thought, I thought Johnny Storm got killed off right away. But because when Piro caught him. and dumped him on his neck. I'm like, oh, how did he survive that?

But he survived it, fine. And they're together inside of this cage, moving it forward. And I didn't think Nova was as good as you guys did. I thought acting performance-wise, yeah, but I thought that she didn't, she was, Xavier's sister, she was pissed off that she was there, she was betrayed, and then she decided to cause havoc at the end. There was really, I don't think she had enough depth. So I think that it was

They wind up in that same thing where the villains were just fine in this movie I can understand that I think the big difference here And that's why like a Thanos can work in an Infinity War Is because Infinity War is a Thanos movie Yeah It's not it is not an Avengers movie despite the title and because of that Since we already know all those characters

You're expected to know those characters coming into it You had time to take and learn about her I think there are about him. I don't think there's enough time. Otherwise, this movie might be three hours to get a, to get more than what we got in that regard. And so I think the one little, the two things that they kind of tapped into, they were clearly trying to draw a little bit of a comparison about the idea of being left behind. To like killmonger, it felt like this idea of like, so you're just going to do your thing and you're just going to be fine. then I'm going to ruin all of your ish.

And the one thing that brought any sort of grace is when Logan obviously has learned his lesson and is giving that whole speech about, you know, the professor and what he would want and how much he would have loved you and all that kind of stuff, that being that one moment to try and find her humanity. And I think she would have been fine if Pyrro didn't show up and literally just try and kill it. Be like, oh, well, then fuck all of you. Yeah. Well, you know, and then the other thing that I, that's why I say where I thought of Winston

when I heard that particular joke with General Groner, the moment I felt Coyd jump out of his chair and start yelling and screaming like a six-year-old was when they finally get, when they first get to the void and the Fox Universe thing and he addresses the camera

and he's like, all right, nerd, suit up, whatever is he could get ready for this one, you know, and Deadpool was like, you guys were waiting for this one, and he's getting ready to fight, whatever he says to him was, and I could feel Coy as a young kid is losing,

their mind, he loses mind. Because I also like what Deadpool did there. He's like, okay, look, I've been trying to be nice to this guy. But if he wants to fight, fight, and that fight is fantastic. And when they're shooting him in the side with the guns and they're going, like, it's a great fight. Yeah, it's, the choreography, there's so many Easter eggs in that fight, by the way, like as a comic fan, that fight has actual moves from an Adam Kubert cover. Like, when he has them above his head, that's one of the most iconic Deadpool ring covers. It's got a full-on multi-sequence fight from Rob Leifeld's uncanny X, no, Wolverine

154 and 155. It also has a dodge, dodge, dodge, punch, from Spider-Man fighting Flash in Spider-Man 1. There are three different beats of choreography that are mirroring comics and comic book movies in that incredible film. I thought that it was also very, if you do, you want to talk about just like

perfect setup too, I think the fact that the immediate thought most people would have, okay, well, if Wolverine's got adamantium claws, there's no way his katana's going to hold up for him to go when he got his new outfit from the TVA. Even at an adamantium, Katon, like, they thought all of that out. Yeah, yeah. Someone wrote this like me.

Like, there was a me on set going like, excuse me? Oh, that would actually, like, you felt the comic lore be referenced either exposition or visually. Please tell what you both notice that every time he stabbed someone with the next, baby knife. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I loved it. Baby knife. Yeah, I loved the baby knife thing.

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he's using the baby knife, and then they go to this whole thing that happens where Johnny gets his skin ripped off, they show, and they use that Paul Rudd joke of, well, Paul Rudd finally aged, which is great, too. He's got this big skull, big head, knows what happened to him but they find out all these things of all these um you see all the variants and all the different x-men that or the villains that have been there and you just learn more and more

about it. Corey was this more of comic book tell me some any Easter egg stuff in there that I'm missing so that old man Logan um is a very iconic story that they kind of made Logan the James Mangold movie with the character but the desert like certain elements this the ant man body being used as like a prop is straight from old man Logan okay um the mad mac stuff is straight old man Logan. There's so much of that implied lore that I love that they turned the end of time in Loki into kind of like this old man Logan universe.

I thought it was really funny that there's clearly variants of other actors of Siloak of juggernaut. Like the one line of like, oh, you're the juggernaut of the week really just gave us a lot of, it kind of did what they needed to do with multiversal stuff, carte blanche. Because

there's so many times you're like, why are there 800 Benedicts, but there's also variants of like, it gave us an excuse for canon and i love that throughout the movie they would either go like here's your multiverse solution or here's your multiverse problem like it really did a great job in that sequence going like succeed fail yeah and i love how they call it out they said they there's so many different times throughout this movie's like let's call it it's this face it hasn't been good since end game and i think he says at one point he's just like the multiverse stuff it's just not working guys like

all that stuff when he's like i see we just talked about with wolverie where he's like welcome to the mc u you're joining at a low point yeah yeah yeah yeah that was That was... This movie is so funny. It was amazing. And speaking of... And so that... Well, that scene, dude.

So I think that he says that. I'm pretty sure he says that during, like, the big cameo scene, doesn't he? I think he does. I'm not sure. He says a 12-Rine on the bridge right before they get brought into this world. Oh, okay. Because he's saying, like, this is bubble ball. We're at the TVA.

Okay. Well, so then they go out on the run. They finally, they run into Nice Pool. I wasn't... A nice pool, it's fine for me. There's a couple of things, but to me that it felt almost like a... a different movie at one point of what he was trying to do, but it worked, and then

the dog, the dog lick in his face and all that, the Deadpool, I thought, like, I was curious with my friend who had never knew nothing about it, nothing, I hadn't watched anything since Endgame. It hasn't ever been seen Endgame when I took him. He only saw Deadpool 1 and Deadpool 2, so I didn't know if he was going to be

lost, he loved the movie, but I was wondering how, how, like, if, like, the, if Dogpool and all that stuff would just kind of go over its headings, like, what the hell is this? And I think some people would be like, what the hell is this for that, but they get his car they get nice pulls car they take off and they wind up going to one of the how did they get a honda to sign off because like usually in movies you have to say good things about the thing and i love that there's tragic kias and hana audits yeah now does the it's such a does

there's the fight scene in the car oh yeah the fight scene in the car happens between the two of them they take the car the fight scene in the car happens because that's where the core of it comes where you really see what deadpool wants to do he's like i just want purpose here i want this and then I love the frustration because we're all feeling it at that point where Logan's just like shut up shut up like and then they just start brawling and they get into this incredible battle in the car it is small little they like they don't get out and fight outside they keep fighting in the car and and then they're ultimately rescued by by Elektra which is my by X23 excuse me my only uh my only my not only my not only

I have a few, but my biggest quabble with the marketing is that if they had not told me X23 was in this. I agree. I said the same thing. I didn't even watch the last trailer personally. I skipped it, but I saw because of the internet, like, she was in it. And they set it up as such a reveal in the movie. And I was like, why did you put that show out of the movie? I don't get. Because this is the conversation that we had on the show with Roxy and Brett the other day. We talked about this moment. It's like, what's the gain? It's like you're not, at that point, your tickets already been selling. You're already proposed to make a lot of money. it's like you we're trying to get more a younger generation in the audience and you really have people buying tickets you know how much more people

are you going to buy you get tickets I don't know what what was the I would love to ask Figey that why did you guys put her in the trailer so I got two thoughts here I think that the first is I understand she's an accolite isn't she yeah I know it's not she's the best

she's one of the best she's one of the best parts in the accolite if if I had to guess if you're trying Disney just as a whole, if you're writing off of the good, there's not a lot of goodwill for Acoly, but if you said that she was the best element of it, if that's the way that you try and lynchpin people back in, let alone the people that maybe aren't paying that much attention,

but Logan is their favorite superhero movie ever, and you're like, wait, what, what's happening? That they, those last few that you're trying to get, but I, I love, that show's not popular enough. That's just not popular enough to, to want to ruin one of your trailers to, to ruin one of your reviews. But that's why I appreciate Feige even saying

I would be very open to one trailer from now on I would love that man I think they need to do that So keep it to one solid trailer Yeah it's all you need Just keep replaying that trailer And just show little moments That was an unnecessary moment

I don't know I would love to know why that was made Because anyway they get She rescues them One of my favorite scenes In recent Marvel Is this whole thing that pops up Because it's relevant to what they do

and how it's not just like, okay, Chris Evans shows up and then he dies, which was fun. But this is actually, this is relevant. They wind up finding Elektra, Blade, and then finally Gambit at Channing Tatum, which that Channing Tatum stuff killed me. It killed me because they completely embraced that he can't do the accent for anything. The accent was horrible and he knows it was horrible. And Ryan Reynolds calls him out on how horrible it was. I had no I never in a million years

thought Wesley Snipes would show up in it because they notoriously hated each other and he calls that out which is amazing when he goes I don't like you Leslie's likes Ryan Reynolds and right is a blade Trinity yes and so in the movie

in the movie and then just stop on Deadpool he says it well he says some he goes he goes I hate you and he goes you always did that's what it was yeah I forgot about that I forgot it was and I was like

this sounds I made I don't know if an animal in nature makes the sounds I made when Wesley Snipe showed up as Blade. The Channing Tatum was hooting and hollering and like I never thought I would see this. And Channing Tatum's dialogue was genius by the way, saying like, who never had, like never existed, like all those like existential quandaries, but because we never got his movie. But Blade, when he walked in, I thought there was no way in reality I was seeing what I was seeing. I actually doubted my mind. I was just so happy.

That was one of the one times that I was glad that I was duped by a report because there was a report that said like, oh, well, Wesley Snipes definitely not any of the got. They have, who played, who played? Sticky Fingers played. And then he said it was probably going to be him because Wesley Snipes and Ryan Reynolds hate each other. There was no world that he would show up.

So when he popped up, I was like, it took me second to realize it was him because I was like, there's no way. And then Jennifer Garner. I don't know if I felt like that since Andrew Garfield showed up in the way home. I didn't think I had that feeling. Yeah. And then that was the problem. with the last reveal is the last reveal I'm going so there's four of us and I knew

well it's Daphne Keene because I've seen the trailer which is stupid of me to watch a trailer but it's Daphne Keene because it's such an emotional moment because it's so pivotal to the conversation that she has with Logan of going you never were the guy until you were it was such a great moment like I'm not the guy I think he was you never were you weren't that guy until you needed to be and it was such a great scene it really was man it was it was up there with any it that Obi-Wan or Yoda ever gave Luke that kicks in at the 11th hour. And when he all of a sudden realizes he is the sacrifice,

it's the Captain America, you're never the sacrifice guy, I would never do it. And then Tony and his two probably biggest moments in his entire run, both the end of Avengers where he tries to take the nuke out and then obviously snapping Thanos away, you saw the same wheels turning in Logan's head when that happened. But even when they call him out, like when Cambert says to devil, what would you do to Johnny?

And he's like, I don't do anything to him. He did it over himself. And it's like, and we all think he's lying. Until the post credit. Until the post credit. But you have all this conversation that they're having in this moment because we're just not doing it justice because we can't say everything that's going on, but everything that's like, Chan and Table is just mumbling gibberish.

It's just, it's amazing. And it's just gibberish. And it's like, it goes, he calls on his tool that he's got, the 21 Jump Street tools and that that humor that he's very good at. And he bounces back and forth. And he's not, but he's not a bumbling fool. He can fight. He can fight.

He can fight. Well, that was awesome, which was redemption from being a bumbling fool. Yes, which is verbally. Verbly was a bumbling fool. He was just kind of like a sad sack.

But he was really good. Like when Wolverine's drinking his whiskey and he fires the car through it. But there's so much more that you could probably, you could probably do a full episode on that on that freaking thing. Because like you said with that whole the daredevil thing. But when they go to. they go back to Cassandra's lair and he's just like

what weapons is the punishers thing which punishers I was like five of them and then Blades like only one of me and their only ever will be I was like that was Wesley Snipes tweet in the movie but did you see but did you see what Ryan Reynolds did after he said that

he just made a face didn't he he looked when when Wesley Snipes goes there's only one blade in there ever will be and Reynolds goes like that and that's because at that time when they were shooting that movie blade was very much in production and going into production the movie itself the new one so it but it had been plagued with with enough stuff back and forth that I'm sure I don't know if it has but either way it's just it works either way it works either and there's probably enough

alts of that edit where like Ryan played five of them and they're like all right what's the newest version of what's happening with blade also how long ago were reshoots wouldn't it only like four or five months ago who knows it could have been one of the reshoots yeah but either either way it played very well and they all and what's the what's the song choice that they use when they all start walking up to fight on it was jZ it was uh jZ swiss beats hold on was it right there was ti it was uh it was it was ti in that scene it was spring them out yeah are you sure i think you might be 907 either way whatever whatever it was it played like a wrestling match and it was amazing.

100% and they showed up and then I was wondering how are they going to be able to fight them? And then I said to myself, I literally had this thought. I'm like, how are they going to fight all these people? And then my thought, my other thought was, who cares? And then it's like they start, they just start fighting and I'm like, okay. And they have to get to know where they get the juggernauts home because they're able to slice his feet off basically.

And it's just a full, the full on, I mean, and look, I mean, Jennifer Garner was looking great. And so Wesley Snipes, 60 years old, whoever he is. It was, and Daphne Keene is so good. She really is so good. And it just makes me, and I'm not

going on the whole thing again, but it just makes me reiterate that she should have been the damn star of the acolyte. She should have been the one, it should have been her and Saul, because they wasted Daphne Keene, wasted her. And this movie proves that.

Yeah, I think the thing that I appreciated the most about this fight about Daphne. really about everybody. All of these characters, except for Daphne, but Elektra, Blade, and Gambit,

all three of them either had some sort of major, like, taint on their ability to come forward. So Gambit never existed. That's what Channing wanted more than anything, but they never got off the ground. Elektra was panned as one of the worst superhero movies of all time,

and one of the big complaints that I had having watch it for the first time recently, and I hear a lot of people say the same thing. It's hard to believe that Electra is genuinely the world's greatest assassin. She kind of reads, like, the Capital One lady trying to sell you credit cards that happens to have size. And then with Blade, it just went out with horrible fanfare as far as Trinity. Obviously, him and Reynolds's not getting along. And then you've done the rehearsal of the thing and how Mad Wesley went.

The storyline for all of them, and this is like the D story now is we get to finish our story. And that, to me, was all I wanted out of this movie. if at the end of the day all this movie gave me was saying goodbye to the Fox universe because you can guys you can play back in Hell's tapes I got receipts I got receipts I

all I wanted was Fox to get a swan song and I thought that the heart of Deadpool would allow for a good swan song because it's not fair to these movies that the reason these movies exist the reason the MCU exists is because a Blade X-Men and Spider-Man and Blade went out with Trinity

and X-Men with new mutants I was so hoping that and I'd never expect an elector to kick him up I was so hoping this exact thing would happen and that it happened this well is why we started like, you know, on Friday, last week's show talking about like Joker versus Deadpool Wolverine. This is a great example of something that Joker can be the best drama I've ever seen. Joker could be the citizen cane of dramatic comic films, but nothing will ever feel as good to me having waited 20 years for this redemption to feel the pure nostalgia of my life experience. So that's why I could watch this movie with a critic that just is watching it as a movie. And I can never understand them not loving it because I will always have two decades of buildup.

This is like I've lived with blue balls and I just came so hard. And I'm so happy this happened. My God. So hard. Well, if this wasn't a Deadpool and Wolverine thing, I probably would cut it, but I'm going to let it go. Oh, now you tell me, you motherfucker. It's not it's not Kim's Kell. It's an hour-red episode.

I know. I know. Well, for today. cockied all over the can and I'm so happy. All right, so we're going to lose Quoy a little early in a little bit. So let's just, Coy, let me ask you this,

because Winston and I can finish up. What, where does the MCU go? Because if you fast forward through this stuff, right? You've got stuff that happens with Nova, they get back to their universe. All the Deadpools come in. They fight.

I mean, that was the only part to me. It just got a little silly. I assume that was Blake lively as Lady Deadpool. I would assume that it was. There was some fun stuff. They bring in his friend. who easy enough, it's an easy fix.

Oh, look at him. Everybody loves him. Great. Okay. And then they have to work together to save everything, right? So Nova winds up eating it. The TVA, once again, is able to settle.

What does this mean over? Because they didn't eliminate the Fox universe completely. They tied it up nicely. It gave it a swan song, as you said. They showed it in the credits. They gave the Green Day song with it. The post-credit scene shows the fact that Johnny Storm was exactly did say all that stuff what where does this go forward for the mccu how does this

play into captain america how does this play into the multiverse for the the avengers movies how does it play in i i honestly think the next step is secret or because i think there's a reason i mean scheduling notwithstanding we didn't get any x-men in this movie um it was wolverine in that in that the deadpool though that's that's deadpool's uh colossus not even you know the x-men's colossus Short of Wolverine, pun intended, we only got Hugh Jackman. So I would say the next step is acknowledging this Fox canon, like I think it was Earth 1,0005 or whatever the earth was. I think we head towards Secret Wars and then that way you've still got bigger to go. I think that, you know, after Civil War, the only place you could go to make something feel bigger was Infinity War.

The only thing you could do after Avengers 1 was Age of Ultron. You're like, escalation is the only way to keep building. How do they stop? How do they stop the multiverse? How do they stop it? You blow it up with Secret Wars. I think Secret Wars is the culmination of phases one through five. And I think it's the culmination of, I think you bring in Sony, you bring in Ghost Rider,

you bring in everything. The culmination of everything is Secret War. Yeah, especially if you know Secret War most of the time, especially the more recent one, it was meant to get rid of all the auxiliary and merge the ultimate universe into the main continuity. So you literally can wipe out all of this. You can wipe it all out and go. We just have our Earth Prime now. or 616 is it, and you've then brought all the properties together,

and you're not in Wolverines, 20 Deadpools, 50 of, you know, Scarlet Witches, it's just this is the character. Because the mutant saga starts now, and I think X-Men versus Avengers is a likelihood. As of recording this, we don't know what the whole age panel was. As of you watching this, they might have announced what Avengers 5 is, but I think the lack of X-Men in this movie was really interesting, and I think that Avengers versus X-Men would be a really good way to, it's not quite secret wars, right?

But it's like huge and bigger than anything we've seen so far. And then even bigger is everything. Like you literally just unload every character you've ever had. And then you clean it up. And then you've got a new universe. And then phase one or phase seven, like depending on what they want to title it, it's like comics. Like there's too many characters.

We've got to clean the slate. All right. Coy, thanks. You want to give them a real quick where they can find you? On me down at Coy, Jondro. I'm doing tons and tons of Deadpool stuff. I'm going to be doing a full spoiler review. which is probably already up,

but I'm also doing a giant Easter egg video that I might have to film after Comic-Con because literally I'm going to hop on a train. So Easter egg video is going to be including all the stuff I said about the fights and all those things and diving deeper in. And I am more excited to watch this movie than I've been since I think Infinity War in game.

Like I saw No Way Home five times. This might beat that. All right. And this was so much fun. I'm so glad Christian, you said at one point like you remember this whole movie play by play. That is such a rare thing of like it left a mark. It's so good that we can relive it.

And I'm just so excited. This was fun. All right, Coy, we'll have fun at San Diego, even though it already happened. All right. All right, Winston, so I ask you the same thing I asked Coy, man. What do you think about where this thing can go? Is there anything that we missed out on? Obviously, we covered the thing with nice pool.

He gets torn apart. Oh, we didn't cover the fact that I wish we would have had Coy's opinion on this, but Wolverine finally puts the mask on. I thought the mask looked great. I thought it looked pretty scary, pretty creepy. Or more intimidating, I should say. could have come off really lame, but it worked.

And I think that you jump back to what Nova did inside of Wolverine's brain, and you could see what she was doing and how that kind of affected his relationship that he had with the X-Men and how much the reason why he's wearing the suit in the first place. So anything in there that we missed,

and again, yeah, where does this go? I think we kind of hit on everything. I think the big moment for me in this film above all else because, you know, I was laughing all throughout. But it definitely was Dead Bull and Wolverines final, you know, destroying the machine type moment just because of what's behind it, what's going through their heads, you know, when they are, you know, making that sacrifice. They're making that ultimate sacrifice to try and make up for lost sins and protect their folks. That really was a big thing for me. As far as where we go, I think you leave the door open to that Fox universe like you did, again, for Secret War.

so you can truly put it to bed. So then, you know, Deadpool can pop in at that particular point because obviously he wanted to stay with his family. So it makes sense that he would go back to his own timeline. I think that's the main thing. You have shown that the variants don't need to be, they can be equally as important, but they don't need to be as big of a deal.

Right. And what it actually reminded me of seeing all those Deadpools that actually felt like a riff, on Loki in the first season when he meets all the other Loki variants and he meets Crocodile Loki and alligator Loki and and you know President Loki and all that I got the same kind of vibe there and that's what they were trying to nod to so I think I think that that's all you're really doing you are fully setting yourself up to open the door and let all of this come back we might

see other variants so no was that was that necessary though I mean it's a fun scene but was that scene with what what did that have to do to further the plot though I think that the point of that was two things. A fun set piece of the fight. Right. I think if we're going to be in the TVA, if we're going to talk about variants, if you're only going to show dog pool and good pool or nice pool, that's not going to cut it.

You literally were then showing, God knows what, El Meryachi, Ladypool. You know, Coy knows even more. I believe that was Deadpool, 299 at one point. I could be wrong about that, but you brought all of that in. If you're going to do a multiversal TVA thing, you would never have another instance to do that. It would make zero sense to do that in, like, say, Secret Wars. You got to do it right now, and I think it's just that.

It's just to give you that moment. Yeah, I mean, sure. And it was, there was some fun moments going on with it. But overall, look, I think that we covered the post-credit scene, as we said, Winston, you get the really wasn't even one post-credit the first one was just like a montage you see all the stuff and they showed everything

I mean even should even shy away for any of the bad stuff either they showed the freaking the other fantastic four movie Michael be Jordan and Miles Teller and all that they showed everything and they were saying basically Electra which everything it's cool to see that Jennifer Garner had fun on set for that movie because considering

how bad that movie was you just assumed that maybe everybody was miserable in it but I really appreciated that too because, you know, I mentioned in my, in my spoiler review, I think the thing that people forget, the good, the bad, and the ugly of all this, for the last 24 years, this has been, like the Fox universe really was a very good thing for us, no matter if the movies were good or bad. And it got us to this point. So to see this cast, these crews to genuinely have been enjoying what they were doing and how we got to this point, I thought was just a beautiful,

touching moment. It genuinely was really nice. All right. So there you go, guys. That's our spoiler-heavy thoughts discussion on Deadpool and Wolverine. I hope you enjoyed the conversation overall. If there's things that we miss, the things that you wanted to talk about, put your comments in there for sure. If you're brand new to the channel, you've never been here before, make sure you subscribe to the channel. Apple Podcasts, Spotify, anywhere podcasts are found. I'd like to thank Winston for sticking around. Winston, where can they find you? Add the Swaggy Blurton all the platforms, but especially here on YouTube. Again, you can check out my spoiler review, my non-spoller review.

Those are both up at this particular point. If you are wanting to see, you know, kind of more, I did all the rewatches of the Fox Marvel universe leading up to this and some of the things that you got to see in this movie and otherwise. And then obviously, if you follow me over on TikTok and Instagram, I'm putting up other fun stuff, including a lot of sketches and stuff. So I appreciate that. All right. Thank you, Winston.

Thank you, you guys. Appreciate you being here. and I'm hoping that Roke and I will be back tomorrow on a live episode. We didn't get a chance to do our live episode today. But thank you once again. Appreciate you. And we'll see you on the flip side. Thank you to our sponsors.

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