The Kristian Harloff Show - Deadpool will be a HARD RATED R even with Disney.

Episode Date: July 7, 2023

Join the site: http://www.thekristianharloff.com Deadpool 3 is currently shooting. Karan Soni, who plays Dopinder in the films, confirmed in an interview that not only will the film be Rated R, it wikl be "as R as ever." With Reynolds stating that Deadpool has always been a passion project, is this is a surprise? The topic of budgets in films comes up again in the slate of Comic Book Movie films. Shang-Chi might not come out until 2026. We take questions from all of you and we talk about the introduction of Joey Pickles to the show. Join us on Big Thing Capes and Cowls with Kristian Winston and Coy! #MCU #deadpool3 #deadpool #marvel #disneyland 

What's up, everybody. Welcome back. It's Friday's Caps and Cows. And we're excited that you're joining us, man. We got Deadpool. That's right. Going to be a hard R. They said, it doesn't matter if it's on Disney.

It's going to be a hard. You didn't hear this? No, no, you just, never mind. Forget it. We've been doing this show for months. It was a good joke. It was a good joke. It was.

Save it for a wreck. We know that this is the thing. So. And then we take a lot of questions. questions from you guys, and we have a lot to talk about. And speaking of capes and cows, speaking of you guys, you guys have been so supportive of this bad boy, man. Capes and Cowles issue, number one, it's on the site, and the great wicked art did all the illustrations, the writing, the story, all of it. You guys can go check that out now. Shoes and Beef also up on the site. So please

go and do that. All right, let's get into it. It is Capes and Cows, me, Winston, Coy, let's do it. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, big thing capes and cows. I hope you had a happy fourth. I know some people have been doing stuff since because it's now the seventh. But nonetheless, I've been on a strange kind of vacation over the last two days to talk about my Disneyland excapades in just a second. But I'm joined, as always, by Coy Chandra, Winston A. Marshall. The gang is back together again. Although we hung out on July 4th, which was nice.

It was great, man. We had a good time at the barbecue. Winston is the real friend. He stuck around for July 4th Firework after us. But it was a good time. But I told these guys and I had to tell you guys, if we have a story to tell, we usually do it up top. And then we get into all the stories and everything.

Before you tell your story, can I just interject that I really got to find out that there is a true difference between white people's barbecues and black people's cookouts. And you said three, and I'm thinking, all right, cool, three, that's when people set up chairs. You know, they kind of put the beer on ice. It's not popping off for at least a couple hours, right? And I got here and, like, half the party, like, bounced when we showed up. And I was like, oh, my Lord, it's already, like, everybody had eight already.

Well, the parents and everything, like, the kid, the people with kids and everything bounced at that point. Right. At that point. But, like, everyone else stuck around from, like, the, because three o'clock is when, we even start cooking, it's like 4.30. Okay. You guys got around. Okay. Right around we started actually cooking.

Okay. I just, it was just shocking to me because in my mind I was like, okay, which is why I even text you before when the Evite said like three to five, I was like, oh, this was a short. Two hours situation. Yeah, that was a Eivite problem. That all. All good. So that's all.

It was just, I learned something culturally. I was just like, oh my goodness. Even really, though, because not to be honest with you. Because it was like, we normally, like, we were expecting people to show up at like four. Okay. Even my friend Eric, who was the first one to show up, show up, like 315, 3.15. 3. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, it's not, it's the same. Okay. And then at 430, we were off and cooking and we did some good, get some good burgers. It's great stuff, man. But,

so, but then this week I decided that I was going to, because I'm usually working five, six days out of the week. So the family has not had a lot of my time. So I was like, okay, Fourth of July, all them. And then promising to take the kids at Disneyland for a bit, wanted to take them with the kind of colder weather. We got lucky. It was a really nice day yesterday, knew it would be crowded. And I want to give a big shout out to both Fernando, a listener of the show, and his wife who, they work at Disneyland.

They're amazing people. They came out to see us when we were here for flappers. They were going to see the show. And they came with this. They were, well, they didn't come to the show with their son, but the came with them to Disneyland yesterday, but they hooked us up, got into the, and gave us some good advice about when to see the fireworks,

because that's what Vivi really wanted to see. I promised, basically, Sadie and I, Sadie and Macy drove because they were going to leave early because Macy's only five and a half, and she's probably gonna stick around for so long, but she stuck around for a bit. Vivi had made a promise that I would do the fireworks with her and that we'd be able to go on a couple other things

and she wouldn't have to just go on the little kid rides, right? So stuck to that, promise, did all that. So we get there to Disney, to Disneyland, and I will say, it was, and thank you again to Fernando and his wife, because they were really kind to be able to hook us up. But we had probably the best trip we've had to Disneyland. It was like everybody just had a good time laughing.

Sadie who does not eat junk. I'll be back in a second. It comes back with just a whole bunch of shit, right? Like hot dogs and pretzels and everything. I was like, look at you, honey. It's Disneyland. I was like, perfect. So we were having just a good day.

There were only two things that made me go, come on it's Disneyland because we were at the my daughter which is the Vivian the sweetest moment ever she was she was looking she's 12 years old right or almost 12 so she's on the internet sometimes and she sees this is why I tell people sometimes and they know like for people who go after the Disney's just you got to understand also what Disney also represents to children it's it's hope it's happiness it's so things and everything too so like for people who are going after the corporate Disney and everything too should have have a blast and do it right but also realize that you do have an effect on children as well, too.

Because my daughter who browses around on YouTube and browsers around, not as much now, she was just like, why does everybody hate Disney? I thought that I love Disney. It makes me feel good, and why does everyone hate it? I'm like, not everyone hates it. There are things, people have concerns and certain things. Some people are legit concerns. Some people are just spewing out nonsense.

I said, look around. I was last night. I was look around. Is that everyone who hates? She's like, no. And then she started tearing when she was watching the firewall. so she felt good watching it. That was the epitome of our trip.

That is what represented 98% of it. So we get there, and the first thing we wanted to do, the little one got to control the day, the beginning of it, and she really wanted to meet the princesses. Okay, I get that. What she wanted to do, and she wanted to meet, you guys can guess, you get one guess of who she really wanted to meet the most. This was her, this was her Julia Roberts.

Make a Cinderella for her. I don't know why. I'm going to go Jasmine dead on Nice I just knowing her personality She loves Jasmine

Yeah and she That's the only one she wanted to meet She wanted to meet the other ones But that was the one she had to meet So you don't get to really pick In the princess line You go through the castle and you get three of them They're usually good ones

But you don't get to fix So I'm like please let it be Jasmine This is gonna be because 40 minute wait To just get in the damn castle Whatever Or 30 I have not been to Disneyland in a long time. I forgot that's a thing.

Oh, the lines? I thought that the princesses or the characters just walk around the ground. They do. They do, but you can go in to meet them in the particular house. So 35 minutes, 35, 40 minutes, we're on this line. And it was okay, we were in the shade.

And like I said, I didn't mind it. But right to the center, as we got there, it was like Snow White was there. And I said, you want to meet Snow White? I don't give a shit, but she didn't care of this on. So as we're online, who shows up, Jasmine. So we're like, look this, grab her in my arms, and we start to run out to, and everybody sees that the line, she's going.

I mean, we kept, my wife stayed on the line so we could stay for the rest of it. So I get online to a little portion of it. And I'm like, okay, we're going to get right to the front. And then it just like formed like ants. Yeah. So as I get there, and everybody's kind of piled up on each other, there's this dude. And he's like, 260 muscle on top with spaghetti noodles for legs. My God.

We get sent a picture of this man. And he's just like this. And he's just like this. And we're just right near him. And then I'm in the best mood. Like, posse. And I look at him.

I go, hey, man, how's it going? How's it going? And I go, I'm all right. You're right? Yeah, I'm right. You're right? And I'm like, uh, yeah, man. Dizzy.

You're back up. I go, oh, we're in those kinds. We're in one of those kinds of mood, huh? And he's like, oh, you're just, you're really close. And I'm like, guy, it's, and this is what I said to him. And I go, it's Disneyland. Lighten up, brother. And he's like, yeah, maybe I won't.

And I'm like, and he's with his daughter. And she's the sweetest little girl. This girl is just like, can't wait, just like my kids. Look it. I'm like, we're not in a Miami nightclub guy. We're at Disneyland. I'm like, it's one thing if I'm at the club and you look, go, you know, and you're dancing.

And then I'm like up on you. Like, back up, bro. Back up, bro. Like, all right, I get it. You want a rock star? Calm down. You know, that's all right. but it's 10 in the morning

and Jasmine's right there and he's with his daughter and he's looking for shit. And I was like, dude, this guy, if he wanted to, could have probably picked me up and crushed me like a tomato can. I was treating him as if I was his size. And I'm like, I couldn't care less how big this gorilla was. And this is, he was, he looked like anybody from the Jersey Shore. right and I'm I'm calling him

Joey Pickles because he looked like him you got the it you know the fate this guy was from Florida he had he had the cutoff tank top and he's jacked like and as

I'm on the line at the end of this this shows you the kind of good mood I was in I'm in none I'm going oh my God come on Disney make this make this make this make me feel good about the world right I'm like I want this guy to just turn and go

hey man I don't know, I don't know what was going on. I'm sorry. And I was ready to say, dude, it's cool. I get it. All right. You know, people are running around. It's fine. And he just walks up, and I said to my, my wife, I go, that guy sucks. That guy sucks. Like, you can walk in a Disneyland like that. You suck. He was horrible. I sent you the picture of this guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was going to put it on. It's the middle of the day. All of a sudden out of nowhere. No context. There's a group text with all of us.

We just got a picture of some dude's hulking back and talked to him this guy tomorrow. I missed the text context because I was like there was the beauty of it.

Oh man, Christian got kind of jacked out here like trying to get the water from under the stroller. This guy was horrible. The fact, the fact, but I will say this about the guy

because I will give him a compliment. He was very loving to his daughter. Very, wanted to make sure that she got the picture and everything too. And the girl couldn't have been a sweeter girl. It's just a sweetheart of a little girl.

But I'm like, what are you doing? doing guy like it's like it's like crack a joke even if we did get close i don't think we did but even we did he'd be like hey get a little close you're excited to see jasmine i'm like oh sorry man it's it's it's disney you know let me get you a churro you know and people just coming in hot it's like but i'm you see what i'm saying like a nightclub in miami look what you're doing yeah and i was going to put the picture up and i'm like yeah forget it it's not worth it but then the other guy at the end of the night i have more i got more respect for yeah yeah because i don't really think he knows what was

going on even though he thinks he doesn't and I have been in his position. So it's midnight or close to no, no, I shouldn't say that. It's probably like almost 11. We're leaving the park and we're, you know, you're pulling out of that lot. And as you're going, I'm going at a lot. I'm not going very fast. Can't.

It can't. And there was a woman with a stroller and her husband. And they're walking out. The guy's not looking at this point. And the woman just kind of into the middle of the, they're probably just exhausted. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're probably exhausted from the whole day. And she's just kind of, and I,

So I just slow down a little bit. And then they're in front of me. And I slow down. And she goes, I'm like, and then the guy who was just protecting this woman and his, and his, or whatever.

And in hindsight, realizing this, turns back and goes, Hey, what are you doing? And I roll the window down. And I go, I didn't know what you guys were doing.

You're going left. You're going right. I don't know what you're doing. And he's like, maybe if you slow down. I go, I did slow down. Otherwise,

I would have hit you. And he's like, no, no. And I'm like, it's Disneyland guy. I'm like, and then I turn to him and I go, but I'm like this, I'm like this. And I go, have a wonderful day. I go, I want you to have the best day in the world.

And he was getting mad, but he didn't really know what to say because I wasn't cursing out of me. I'm going, I want you to have the best day ever. Have the best day. But this is the dickhead move that I did. As relieving, because I've said to him a million times, have a great day. I want you to have the best day.

I want you because I'm with my daughter. I'm like, I want you to have the best day of your life. And I'm beeping. As I leave, I beep and I go, bye. And he goes, you two have a great day. But I left and I said, I'm not mad at that guy at all. Not even the slightest. Because I would have done the same thing in that position, I guess.

If I wasn't paying attention to what my wife was doing, she started yelling at somebody. I was sure. That's Christian's face with the Mickey Mouse years. But in the Disney font, it says, it's Disneyland, comma, guy. I wanted to, it's Disneyland, guy. I used to it twice. But I used to it twice. But in the, I can see.

It's Disneyland guy. It's Disneyland guy. Come, like, let's, let's, have a great, like, again, that guy I'm not mad at, not at all. Sure. Joey Pickles can suck a banana. That guy is, was such a douche. You gang bacon on bacon?

He was the worst. It's the, it's the, it's, what you're talking about at 10 a.m. It's that, it's that old Cat Williams joke where he was just like, I know thugs that be, angry at bacon and eggs. And he just, they're just like, you gang bacon on bacon? The problem is he woke up. He took his pre-workout because that's his tradition. But he didn't get to the gym.

He didn't use it. He thought to himself pushing the stroller. This is going to be my workout. This guy was chewing on chicken right before he got there. Broccoli, a little bit of rice. And my wife said it too. She's got like pointed him out. And she goes, oh, she's like, because her dad was a bodybuilder when he was younger.

She's like, that's the kind of guy. My dad hated. Like put everything up top here and barely can hold his legs like this. Bro, why do you think Jackie Chan won every fight in every movie against the big guy? because the guy never worked his leg, so he would just get low, sweep him and then take him out. I do two leg days a week now. I'm trying to balance. I do two leg days.

I'm going to have to do two leg days. I'm going to train you both. Well, we talked about the other things we're going into this, too, is that I guess Joey Pickles inspired me a little bit because I was like, because I was like, yeah. You know, guys, like, I'm telling you, though, I will say, I have never been less intimidated by somebody ever, like, ever. Like, like, I was, like, I think that he was waiting for me to, like, cower down. If you would, I mean, again, it was Disneyland. But like, if we were somewhere else, we were in that Miami nightclub. And whether or not he would have crushed my skull and I would have fought this guy within seconds.

This guy sucks and it needed to be taught a lesson. I was really thinking, I was thinking if he was going to throw, like, because he was so lumbering. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was already thinking of my combinations that I was ready to do. Absolutely. Oh, no, no. See, the funny thing is I get into these conversations with people and there are plenty of people that are much stronger and in better shape than me. but I'm not thinking in terms of I'm about to like box you out honorably.

I was thinking about what I could do first. As that happens, whose stroller is empty because it's going upside your head. I was going for his nose and I was going to, I'm telling you, like, and kicking those little chicken legs out. I love that there's three Harloffs.

There's Papa Bear Harlov who will fight you and will defend his kids, who is at Disneyland guy. But then there's also like in real life Harloff who's like at the cookout and like just trying to make sure he's savvy. But then there's online Harloff who literally just deletes negative comments. Yeah, Usually it's the other way where online is where all the teeth come out. But you're the opposite.

You're like, I don't want to do what that. No, but doesn't that goes to my philosophy. If you're going to do it, do it in person. That's right. It's great. That's so rare. I'm telling you, I was not, I was not mad at all. Like, was not mad.

I got mad after the fact because I couldn't believe somebody would do that at Disneyland. It was right. Because I literally said to them, I go, oh, we're in one of those kinds of moon, huh? That's what I said. And that, and that was where he was like, Dude, I just don't understand why people, I mean, I do get it because this fire has continued to be stoked, but I don't know why people are so mad. Why would you go to Disneyland like that too?

Especially when you were with your little kid. Dude, you're with your little kid. It's like, you know, what are you trying to do? It's like, again, we're not at a nightclub. It's like if I stepped on your foot and I hit you in a hell with a chiro by accident, where I'm, you go, what are you doing? Like put the camera on quite a friend. a second, if you walked up with

Mason, you're like, hey, man, move Jasmine, dog. Right. That's, if I bumped him out of the way, I'm like, get out of the way, me, and he's like, what's you say in front of my daughter? Exactly. Then I'm going, I was wrong, guys. I was, I was, I was wrong, guys. But like, this was, this was, this was, this was a guy who was just looking for some shit at 10 in the morning

in the happiest place in the world. Uh, that's 18 minute bit, guys. That's it. We got news. We got We got Kels. We got news. Also, before we before we leave the burrowiness. behind. I rarely comment on the comments. You got nothing? I can't really hear anything. I've just been

listening to you guys without the headphones. Yeah, there we go. There we go. Now I can hear. Before we leave the broiness behind, I saw some comments in the episode last week that I patently disagree with. I was telling Winston, he agrees with me. I got co-sign on this. I stand by. Henry Cavill was not as big as me when he was cast

as a super band. Obviously he got bigger than me. But you were like, oh, I'll be in the chat. He played a demi-god, bro. He was still not this big in that super suit. He was big in it. Immortals, though. He was still like a little guy. If you look at him in the super suit, hold on. Have you seen him in that?

I saw that comment. I saw you agree. That's why I'm bringing it up. I do agree. Him in the Christopher Reeves suit is not as big as me. Straight up up. To bring up mortals, he's pretty big and immortal. He's just cut.

I don't know, dude. I mean, I look, if we're pumping you up today, then. No, no, he's not. He's cut. He's cut. He's not jacked. All right. Like, comparatively.

like, Coy is that little dude. That little dude, that is Henry Cavill the day he auditioned. Sorry, text me. Text me. That's why I'll send you. Yeah, well, I know the one that boy has. Yeah, I didn't see that. It's literally his audition video. All right, I texted. I'm just for context for the viewer. Little guy. I was Joey Pickles. I wrote that. He's definitely cut. I would never, because I would say the same thing about like Hugh Jackman, for example, was not jacked. He was cut. Yeah. And you would say the same thing about

Chris Evans after the first one. The first one. The first. first event, the first Avenger Captain America, because they wanted that shot in the, in the machine, he is jacked. Yeah. Like, he makes Koy look like he's a fat boy. Like, he was like this. But then, but then over time, he like, they just kind of had him more of like a standard kind of cut look. And I only say it to defend David Kornswit. The only reason he even came up was people who were like, Henry Cavill is three times the size of David Kornswet. In a year, Henry Cavill was. He certainly got bigger. Yeah. He certainly got bigger. But he wasn't that big when he got cast in, and I see the photo. I think that you had said at one point that he was like, small or tiny or something. I just said he was smaller than me. Okay. And I'm not a small guy. I'm just saying he was small. He got bigger. Gave and Cornswet can get bigger. I think he looks perfect. He just needs to put on like 80 pounds. Which is just fine. Camille Nangiani looked nothing like the superhero. And then just gave him all the money and Warner Brothers would do the same here. Cornswit take as much money as you need for Have a year. Well, you know what? And also the fact I think that he was using AG one. He definitely

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It was the highlight of her day. All right, so Deadpool, following Disney's acquisition of 20th Century Fox, this is from Garth Franklin at Dark Horizons, by the way. A lot of talks swirled around how Marvel would handle the Fox properties now under Disney. Deadpool came up a lot because people are concerned it would go to PG-13 and then prevent Ryan Reynolds from doing his regular schick. But it is not the case, according to Karan Sony,

who plays do Pinder in the films and is returning for the new entry in a new interview with Comic Book.com. The actor says from what he saw on the film that it will maintain the same tone. However, there was one key change behind the scenes regarding all this and it revolved around the secrecy of the Marvel machine. He says, I have begun working on that one so I can say it is the same as the other two. It's like a hard R. There's a lot of stuff. So it does not feel different.

The only thing for me is that I have not gotten the script this time. The other two, we got it. It's a big difference at least for me, the MCU part of it, the Fox Marvel part of it. They're strict. So I've only seen glimpses of what I'm in. So when I did some of the stuff, I saw some of the things I didn't know were in the thing. I think I would just say this way. Ryan Reynolds doesn't need to do any of these movies unless he gets to do his version of it.

And he is such a star, and I don't need to say this. He's a creative genius. He's taking this opportunity and really pushing everything. And definitely, he's doing a lot of cool stuff. I feel very optimistic about it. Him and Sean Levy worked very well together, and I think that's going to be really exciting for people to see how their collaborations and how they've done now successfully twice.

in this new version and playing this massive sandbox with a lot of stuff. It's exciting. I will not underestimate Ryan Reynolds. The comments come as the first set of photos have emerged over at the mirror showing Reynolds back in the suit and being filmed in a forest setting. Okay, so a couple of things here. First of all,

I love this comment. I love the way he kind of, he I feel, wouldn't say these things just to say them. Say him. Say him. Because I wouldn't do that, because if you do that, and it turns out that it's not True. It's your name online.

Yeah. And so why wouldn't it be? And why would they do this? Why would they take Deadpool knowing and then changed it up? It's been so funny how this is the most. I think Deadpool being R-rated is the thing I've reported on most in my history as a host. Because it's been since Kevin Feigey said it four years ago. Every time it's like it's going to be read it all right. And then every time there's a statement, it's like yes, it's still real. Until this movie comes out, I feel like there's going to be a little corner of the internet that's like their PG-13 Deadpool. They've made it very clear they wouldn't do it unless it was rated R. And I love that Ryan Reynolds, the man himself has. had control over how it's been released. You notice this didn't have a D23 announcement. It was a week later and he did it his way. A week later, him and Hugh Jackman on the couch, that would have been the biggest thing at D23.

Instead, Ryan Reynolds is like, we're going to do it my way because I have the best marketing company in the world, maximum effort. Like, honestly, the Ryan Reynolds element of Deadpool is why I'm not worried about anything involving the Marvel element, because this to me is my most anticipated Marvel property going forward because of Ryan, not the other way around.

I agree with everything he's saying I'm so confident. No, for sure. My concern is just where, We're still shooting this during the strike. So I'm genuinely concerned what's happened. Like, I know they wrote the hell out of this script, but I am just very genuinely concerned about some of, like, the improv in it and whatnot because it had to be, it can't, you can't.

I'm less concerned about that for Deadpool. Because for a lot of the reports come out, we even talked about this and speculated this one we talked about in the first part. He's wearing a masculine majority. So much ADR. There's so much ADR that's going to come in. But what needs to happen is the strike needs to end by the time, you know, they get close. So they can write the ADR.

So they can write the ADR, so you can go in, he can improv. As he said, Ryan Reynolds is a creative genius. He knows, like, don't be surprised if him and Sean Levy behind closed doors going, hey, when we shoot this thing, I'm not telling you they're breaking any rules or anything, but when we shoot this thing, give me a little extra coverage here. Yeah, exactly. I can be doing something with my arms.

And so if we need to ADR, when it's time to ADR, we can add some stuff here, overshoot this a little bit here. And that's one thing people don't get Ryan Reynolds credit for. He's one of the best mimes of all time. Like he is such a good physical comedian. The Deadpool character doesn't work unless the physical comedy is there. And even the way he moves his expression under the mask, there's a lot you can do later.

And I guarantee you the way the shorthand is with these two guys, Free Guy, the one he did with Mark Ruffalo, that great dad movie, that's sci-fi. Oh, right. That's right. Project Adam, I think that's called. Yeah, those movies have shown their shorthand, both with Hart with Project Adam and comedy with Free Guy. and the heart of Free Guy. I'm not worried about that relationship. And I'm also not worried that as long as the strike ends

in the next eight months when this movie comes out, you can do ADR up until, you know, this movie's going to be that in June. They could work on until March. But that's why there's not a lot of the movies doing this, right? Because for everything he just said, the relationship that he's got with Sean Levy is part one.

And they're not just going to do, well, hey, we got to shoot this right now, Ryan Reynolds and Sean Levy. I'm not saying the studio would do this. We got to shoot this. We got to go out there and shoot and just shoot the script. They're going to have a plan. And they're going to say, well, we know that we're going to have all these other different things.

We're going to add this stuff. And that's the beauty of having the mask. No, that's true. I don't think that that fully dawned on me, but that's very true. He was only maskless a handful of times, like before he becomes Deadpool when he's just himself. And then a few times to see what he looks like crinkly. But for the most part he is wearing it the whole time. And I guess part of the reason why it doesn't dawn on me is because you do have like Brolin and the little kid that played the little fire.

thing and you know Gina Corona wasn't the first one I think and like you know you had plenty of people that actually did have their so I wasn't even thinking about that but you have a good point most of that improv is going to be coming from him right and with it being

in a mask you're right you can ADR and the other big improv is not in the movie anymore after you know the train stuff weasel dude um oh wow whoa whoa who was like you know what's his name Arte oh no no TJ Miller TJ Miller yeah so Tj Miller yeah so Tj Miller the other big improv, or he's not in this. So you really

have actors that are going to be, in my theory, I said this way back at Collider, so 2016, I started saying this. No, 2018. The movie came out in 2018, late 2018, I was saying, the third one's going to be Deadpool kills the Fox Universe, because that's when the merger started happening. I'm 99% sure this movie is Deadpool kills the Fox Universe

to merge it into Marvel, but all the actors that are going to be getting their Fox moments aren't going to be needing to improv because they're going to be getting their one-off moments that are going to be the multiverse of badness we all wanted. I guarantee we get cameos from Chris Evans but not as Cap, but as Human Torch. Michael B. Jordan is Human Torch.

I think we probably get some of the almost cast members, like John Hamm as Mr. Sinister, maybe Channing Tatum as Gambit, maybe both Xavier's in one shot. But all of those moments are going to be so quick, they can probably do like seven takes of the script and then use the one they like most, not needing the improv.

So I think the reason the shot so early and so fast is you get all those front-loaded multi-cami-cameo shot, do tons of coverage, pick the edit best, and then all of Ryan's stuff can be, like we said, 80-R, And with these two, with their shorthand, the budget of the first movie got cut by $20 million

because of that scene where they, like, got rid of the guns and the taxi. That kind of improvisation shows the skill these guys can do with the duress of the writer's strike. They literally, like, I don't know if you guys know, but in Deadpool 1, the scene where he forgot his guns in the taxi. The third act of this movie was supposed to be a giant shootout, and then they found out that the production budget

included the advertising budget. So their entire advertising budget was the third act stunt sequence. So they cut it by a line of dialogue. That line where he said, I forgot my guns in the taxi. That literally was them cutting so they could advertise for this film. That's hilarious. But that's how good they are that I'm not as worried about this movie with this drag. But you know, it's something like that, though, too, where how great that first movie.

They're both really good, but the first movie was great, right? They, uh, it goes back to my point. Like, how much was that movie the budget overall for that film? 120 million? 130, something like that. And how much money it made? I don't know. Rated our movie.

It goes back. Eighty million, I think the budget was around 100. Now, granted, it did take, it. And I don't think it diminishes it at all, but it also took place in a time where every comic book movie was hitting, but it doesn't take away from the quality delivers, right? And so I still think it would deliver it today.

My point, though, is that the budgets, I'm so... And I told people, I want you to get tired of me saying this, because I'm going to say it on every freaking episode because I want to hammer it home. These budgets are too big. Deadpool proves it. Logan proves it. You don't need it.

That line that you just said. Make more lines like that. And I liked to pull one more than two because the budget was smaller person. Well, we were just, I mean, obviously we can keep it in the direct conversation about comic book stuff. But like, we were just talking about this on the fourth in that like indie, for example, it did not need to be 300. No. And I look at like I had gone to see the blackening this past weekend. Five million, like five million dollar budget for a horror comedy pushed out three times just like that.

Because they wrote the hell out of that script and they acted the hell out of that script. You do not need to throw infinite dollars. Because, well, the reason, so you look, the argument that would be put against that, right? So $5 million on that studio that made that movie, that's a big profit for them on what they made, and they're going to add money to be able to make other

movies inside that budget. Now, the argument for what a Disney executive is says that we're Disney, and we're not putting in $5 million to make a movie, hopefully just to make another 25. No, no, I'm with you, 25 or 30, but it doesn't go against your point and my point,

Then don't do it for five. Do it for 80. That's what I'm saying. Just scale for yourself. That's right. Scale for yourself. So in that case, if a low budget for you is 80, then do 80 and then go make 240. And I brought this up the other day.

It's Alonzo Adraldi. They said it the other day. The studios are trying because it's the greed element of it all. And they want to go, well, we got to hit that billion. Because if they hit billion, ta-ching. And it's like, don't hit a billion. hit half a million, half a billion with a 10 million dollars. Well, that 10 million dollars.

But no, no, but yeah, yes. 120. Yeah. If Black Adam costs $100 million to make, 120, the movie makes a big profit. I mean, I said $500 million to me, like $3.80, apparently. Somebody was very, very quick to tell me. Respectfully so, but they were like, ah, nice try. It was like, fair enough.

But $100 million, $120 for $3.80, you know, with everything else, I don't know. It goes back to showing you Deadpool proved that you can make really good superhero movies. A lot of action. Funny, everything. Big stars. And you can still do it. Logan proved it too. Boot two R-rated comic movies.

And that's what we're talking about now. R-rated comic movies, lower budget, higher profit. And it's not like the audience didn't show up because they were like, this really didn't have the giant third act space demon the thing I wanted. Like we want, I would love the next Spider-Man movie to be $20 million. and it's actually seeing Tom Holland Zendaya act. I would love a college-based. That's never going to happen.

80. You can have 80. 20. I want an indie. I want a little film. I want a cute little. You're going to spend at least $6 million or 8 million of that just on Zendaya and Tom alone.

Yeah, that's true. But I want that kind of like. It's just a Canon 5D filming them. How much? This is probably a bad example. How much was Top Gun? The most recent one, Maverick? It's about 200 million.

Okay, okay. So that's a bad example. I just... Yeah, but it... But they filmed it like it was $120 million. It felt like a smaller movie, right? It did, but they... I mean, but everything that they used and everything that they were able to do, they...

They took the gamble on the 200 and it paid off. Like, sometimes the gamble pays off, but, like, the gamble is being made every other Thursday now. The Flash, like everything. How about this? Everything everywhere all at once. That's what Roxy brought up. That is the perfect example of you got, you've got, I think that costs $5 million to make. I'm serious.

No, no, no, no, no, I think, you're right. I think it was about 15. Honestly, I think, I think you're in that range. I think it was about 15 mil, if I remember correctly. Best picture. One best picture had a phenomenal special effects in an interaction sequence. Like, it went on forever. 25 million.

Okay. So we were both a little off, combined what we said collectively, but still, that's a small I mean, not a lot of money. Made a lot of money for $25 million. Yeah, yeah, for sure. And didn't have the kind of marketing. So I know, like I said, guys, it's every episode is what you're talking about, a big thing. It is a massive, massive, I'm very passionate about it because I think it is ruining the film business.

It's the only way you're going to save it. You've got too many money people involved. It is, well, it's, but it's money people, the money people should be like, hey, do we have to spend this much? It's not the money people. It's the people who want to make the money. Well, like, like, I'm telling you again, and just because. Whether it was Kathleen Kennedy, John F. Kennedy coming back from the grave is saying,

hey, put this in front in $300 million for, go back to your grave, sir. It's like, that's ridiculous. That's ridiculous. He's polite about it. He said, sir. He said, sir. At least he said, sir.

Mr. President. Too much budget. Too much budget. What just happened? Respect, but get the hell out of here. You're drunk. It's like 300. My fellow.

This is too high a budget for this film. Who spent $300 million in Indiana Jones? The cost in this budget is too dead. Mr. Gorbachev's hair down that budget. Someone said that. That's exactly who I am. $300 million for Indiana Jones. Are you out of your mind?

Are you out of your mind? That's the craziest is it. Like the flash at 250, whatever is still crazy. But not as crazy as 300 for Indiana Jones. That's insane. It's insane. It's insane. I say it with the money.

people in the sense that a lot of what has happened with a lot of these studios is they are starting to get this money from like Wall Street dudes that are like, oh, you're able to turn a $200 million movie into a billion because that's what happened pre-pandemic. So fine, keep up again. People love those superhero movies. Go for it. It's literally Vegas and you're like, I did what on the table? Double it up.

Double it up. It's exactly. And just like Vegas, now we're losing lots of money. And then that's what I think is we're going to see a shift of. A lot of these movies are still the fallout from right before the pandemic. We're not yet seeing. we're starting to. I'm not saying nothing has been made since the pandemic, but a lot of these budgets, a lot of these allocations, a lot of these pre-production were pre-pandemic. Now we're seeing things like Deadpool. Now, I mean, even the Marvels was made through the pandemic era. So we haven't gotten to Captain America yet, which even that pre-production was announced pre-pandemic. We've got to get to the point where we're looking at budgets differently. And I think that's coming. We're just not there yet. And we're not going to see it for the next year, 18 months. And by that point, we're dealing with the writer strike times. Do we have an estimate on what the Deadpool 3 budget is? I don't know if they told...

I don't think we have that yet. Do they normally not do that until they get into post? I think it changes so much. Like, and I can't imagine they're like, we grin with this for this. Yeah, it doesn't tell you. Deadpool was made on $58 million before the sequel. Oh, so the first movie was made on $58.

Because that's right. The first movie was $58 million. So it was $100 million with marketing. Wow. That's what I was saying. Oh, okay. Let's say $150. I mean, and then make $850.

That's what they need to start doing. So for $58 million, you'd make my Tom Holland, Gwen Stacey, Mary Jane movie. If Deadpool can do it, but here's the biggest. Passion project of Ryan Runner. But no, no, but that's it. He loves it. No, no, that's the thing,

is that the problem is that a lot of these places that are making these movies, they don't have the passion for these things. They do not. They're going on formulaic, what the audience wants old school, as much as they think that they're changing the new school of the way movies are made,

they're not. They're making the old school mentality of, oh, people like superhero movies and people just like the big budget things, people are just like that, so we'll do that, we'll do that. And like you said before, oh, let's just turn a profit.

everything, if you make it for 200, people will go out and see it and they'll make a billion. Ryan Reynolds and people who have done movies like that, it's like, no, I love this. And this is because they don't understand the fat cats and the people who are just corporate turds that are just like, oh, you have to actually really love this thing. You got to really love Star Wars. You got to really love Marvel. You got to really love DC. And Ryan Reynolds, wrong is Deadpool. That's why the two successful superhero film movies this year have been across the Spider-Verse and Guardians, because the people.

people that were making them have passion for it and they actually care versus for the the people that love multiverse and madness I'm happy for you I did not get the sense that that sam ramey really cared about dr. strange I got the feeling of like I've done this before you want to pay me to do this I'll do what I did get though is he's like oh this sounds fun yeah I want to play I want to play yeah it didn't seem like he was just taking a job it seemed but he was a hired gun because he was hired a gun in the aspect of well sam ramy it's a great hired gun what are you going to do Sam and he's like, oh, I'm going to make a Sam Ramey movie because that's what I do. I don't give a crap about the MCU.

I'm going to make a Sam Rame movie. I love Sam the man. I love Sam's passion. I love his love of comic books, but he made a comic book movie and I'm an MCU movie. And I maintain if that was a what if, it would be incredible. It just wasn't in the way the MCU had been going appropriate to what story needed to be told. And that's not his fault. That's the same thing that we talked about many times over.

Black Panther, Shung Chi, Wakanda Forever, three other, no way home. Yeah. Four examples of people really giving a crap about the, about what they, having passion for it. The reason why people gravitated towards Shang Chi so much, it wasn't just because it was the first Asian American, or like Asian superhero that we had seen in the MCU like that.

It was because they cared about that story. Think about that first opening sequence in the garden and people be like, this was a beautiful fight. It gave me the same feels that I got when I saw Crouching Tiger for the first time because people cared. And that's every movie I think that does well is the passion.

We talked about Top Gun. Look at Mission Impossible's numbers that are coming. Tom Cruise is passion. That man like, no matter what. You can't say whatever you want about Tom Cruise. That man is so passionate on screen. Absolutely. And when you're watching a movie, you feel that for him.

He cares about the audience. Right. Like, he cares about the- He wants everyone's joy. He wants the audience to have a good time. He wants the audience to be excited. He wants the audience to care. You listen to every interview whether, oh, he's a good actor.

Now, there's only so much you can act before you. And also put up a show up. And he's done that. And all of his movies, even the ones that haven't worked. Yeah. He's done that. So, yeah, a great example. Passion.

Yeah, passion. And it's like, and it's, it's, it becomes a business for people and it becomes a job for people. And that's when you lose it. Because it is, it's, so you guys have all seen air, right? Yeah. So there's a great moment in air where a few times, Ben Affleck who owns Nike and everything, Damon comes up to him and says to him, remember what started this. Right.

Was you selling sneakers out of the back of your trunk, like you loved it. Yeah. Remember that? Like that. It said, remember, everybody out there making movies, Lucasfilm and Marvel or wherever you are. Remember when you started making movies and why you really loved it? Do that. Do that.

There's a reason why you were successful in the first place because you made movies that you wanted to make and that you loved and you wanted to put cool shit up on the screen. Do that again. All right, let's move on over to speaking of Shung Chi. All right. So, Shung Chi's probably not going to hit guys until 2026. it makes sense if you think about it at this point now. It's like two and a half years out. It's about two and a half years out.

So already out there promoting the Barbie movie, actor Simo Liu has offered an update on whether things stand with the sequel to Shang Chi and The Legend of the Ten Rings, which was released in September 2021. At the time, Marvel Studios president, Kevin Feige, confirmed that the studio already had plans for a sequel, however when the phase five and early phase six announcements came, there was no sign of the film.

In addition, the film's director, Destin Daniel Cretton has been set to direct Avengers the Kang Dynasty, which at the time was in the works for May 2025 release and is also working on the Wonder Man TV series. One rumor that cropped up claimed a February 14th, 2025 premiere, a slot blade has now taken. Yeah, right. When asked about the state of the sequel on the new social media platform threads,

actor Sima Liu confirmed that he was told that the sequel would come after an Avengers movie, but added that the film keeps being delayed due to various factors. He said, I was told it was going to follow Avengers, but that keeps getting pushed back due to circumstances beyond my control. I hope to have more concrete news to share soon. Marvel's shifting release dates makes date hard to lock down. The Fifth Avengers is currently set for release on May 1st, 2026, but the studio also has three unannounced films for that year, February 13th, July 24th, and November sixth. In addition, whilst the 2024 slate is settled and locked, their late 2025 slate is barren and could squeeze in another film. The first Shang-chi has come up in conversation again

lately due to its cost-effectiveness by Marvel standards, around 150 being one of the best reviewed entries in Phase 4. Thank you for proving our point. Again, $150 million. For a Marvel movie, it is a smaller scale budget. I hope they start doing that again. It's one thing, by the way, going back, I understand why Avengers endgame costs $300 million. Absolutely. That makes sense.

But that's also a culmination. That's who should. That's why it should. Because it's a culmination. You've got a lot of movie stars and all that, too. But as far as this being pushed back, it doesn't surprise me because it still seems like it's just Marvel has a lot of things going on, somethings that they can control,

somethings that they cannot control, whether it's the strike, whether it's the impending stuff going on with Jonathan Major's. There's just a lot. And this to me makes sense because it's like, look, it'll be five years or so before the next one comes out. Sucks for him, for sure. But like the question I have for both of you guys is normally this is, I think, a major difference from phases one through three than now. If this was phase one through three, we would have seen Chung Chi in like six different movies. We've only seen him in one, his.

what's going on? He definitely seems like he was getting set up to be a major player and they announced him as such. So I would argue he's going to pop up in the Avengers things and that's why he's in the sequel that's going to follow an Avengers movie but it is odd that post credits don't seem as tied in, that cameos haven't been a thing. Like it is interesting.

I just realized it was in your shot. Oh, it's okay. I'm seeing people know. I bet you'll be in the Marvels, but it'll probably be a post credit. Because remember the last time we saw him, it was both Wong and Carol talking to him. And, like, kind of bringing him in.

It was him in Aquafina talking to the post credit. In the post credit, talking to what. So I would put money on, especially with the negabands and we were talking about. Sorry. You said. I heard what you said. I heard what you said. I know what you thought you said.

But I heard what she said. But frankly, I just nodded. I'm glad it was a shot on you. Yeah. Gail up real good Christian. It's like, nope, don't bring me into this. I'm just going to. I'm just a few shot.

It's stewing it, baby. Just do it. But I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if he shows up at least a little bit. I don't think he'll be anything major. But that's, that I think is also the difference. There's been so much turmoil considering that was kind of dropped mid-pandemic anyway. And that was one of the first movies that we actually saw in the,

I mean, what the very first was a widow. Yeah, but it was the one that they did not put it on streaming. Right. Right. And had a full premiere. Because all the shit went down with Blackwood. And I'm curious if that's what I. I think. I was like, I bet you it's because of Scarlett's lawsuit.

Oh, I 100%. Well, that was one of the major things that Chepec did wrong that he got, that was probably put him on in the hot seat right away. This was a beloved actress and character that for years and then rightfully so, she got pissed up because he started turning the audience against her. Because there was a lot of people out there going, oh, look at this actress. It makes all this money. She got screwed, man. She did. It was also finally her moment.

You know what I'm saying? Like she obviously had huge moments throughout the first three phases, but people had been like, when is she getting her own movie? Yeah. And then you swept the leg. Disney Plus. Right. So they weren't about to do that again.

And then Shung Chi came out. I'm in the minority of majority of Marvel fans. I think he's great. I think the movie is great for the first. How long is a movie? An hour and two. I think it's just out two hours. So I think an hour and four.

40 minutes is superb. I didn't like the last 20 minutes. Which is fine. It's a cartoon by the end with the dragons and all the stuff flying. And the stuff with the father is just tremendous. It's just tremendous. One of the best villains in the MCU.

It's tremendous. And the relationship that he had with that, I think it goes back to my overall concern I've been talking about lately is the formulaic stuff. That movie didn't need to have a formulaic ending. It just didn't. And by the time I got to the end, I know there's people who just love this movie

and think it's one of the greatest things that they've done so far. power to him. I just feel it was so great. And I was so locked in by the time I got to that just cliche marble ending. I was like, ah, he didn't need to do that. I think he's great. I think Aquafina was great and everything else was no, no, no. Absolutely. I mean, and, you know, to me, that was, that was my critique with Indy is I was like, I was actually enjoying the ride. And then I was just like this seemed like it fizzled at the end. Like a big spectacle, spoiler alert, they go back in time. It's dialed destiny. You know it's about time travel. Yeah. So, and then I might cut that out.

I don't think a lot of people know for you. Okay. Or maybe I might just, yeah, maybe just take the volume down on it. That's fine. That's it. You're going to silence a black man?

Yes. With spoilers? For spoilers? To protect the black man. You want those comments? You want those tweets? You want those threads? I don't care.

It's been two weeks. Anyway, but you should do that. All I'm saying is, is like, yeah, I think that was the only kind of weaker element of it, but otherwise it was that

And I just think because things were in such chaos, we haven't really gotten a chance to put him back into the fold yet. Right. There were maybe little instances with some of these shows you could have done it, but I think they have this mentality that even though they are treating the shows with as much reverence as they're treating the movies, there still seems to be a baby bit of mentality of that's TV, we're movies type situation, if that makes sense.

So you're seeing some bleed over. They shouldn't. They shouldn't. Not if all counts. I agree with you But I'm just literally thinking about it In terms of like Some of the cameos and stuff

Happening in some of these movies Where Some they're like Fine you either don't have a choice So like She Hulk you had to have the Hulk in it Like what are you gonna like you're gonna not have the Hulk Like that's how she gets her powers But like you didn't really have anything

Super crazy yet Like you didn't have Like Thor show up in a movie You know what I mean Like anything like that They're still kind of separating it Until they don't have a choice to I think the biggest problem

with them is that especially you're an actor frustration is it's just not the tight run ship like it used to be because it's too much. Yes. And there's too many like you hear the director he's working, they really locked them down to do Avengers, they locked them down to do the Wonder Man show. It's like

who, should I care about the Wonder Man show? Because I don't. I think because the casting you and Yaya's incredible. Yaya Abdulmanteen take the casting out of it. Because you could say with Tatiana Maslani, that's incredible casting and I like you. I do too,

but, but, you see what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. Take the casting out of it. But what do you guys, I get excited about shows

because the casting. So that's my, that's my tie in. Well, but see, I don't because I, because you can put the, because you can put the,

you can put the best, you can put the best people in it. And if I don't care about the story and I don't care about the characters. What, like, like, Wonder Man, first of it doesn't sound cool.

Um, but what, what is it? What do I care? He's an actor in canon that's a superhero and it's like a commentary on, it'll be kind of like the Ben Kingsley character in Iron Man 3 where it's a commentary

on that inside. So it might not be for you. Right. But that's the thing. So it's going to be comedy again? You probably, I think. Right. I would assume. Okay. He's out. It's okay. But there's enough shows you don't have to watch me. I agree. I know. But is that the thing to do right now? I think that was greenlit way

before all of this. Just like they did with Echo. But look at Secret Invasion. That's a great drama. Nobody's watching. Nobody's watching that right now. That's what I'm saying is they went another way. I didn't watch episode three. I'm,

I feel bad, I haven't watched it either. It's incredible. Isn't that crazy? Like, I stayed up until midnight on 4th of July. I really liked the show for the first show episode. Totally forgot it was even on.

So if drama's not serving and comedy's not served, that's what I know, I know, I know. It's not, for me, it was less, it was more from the standpoint of,

I've got a lot going on personally right now. So it, I have to prioritize. And since it's not, since it's not on everybody's lips, I still think it's exceptional. Because I'll be honest with you. I think I told you all this.

I only got halfway through Andor. I didn't finish Andor for a similar situation where this is very good, but I have a lot going on. And so I have to determine what is... Yeah, for sure. But sticking with Star Wars also for what we do, right? Asoka, to me, is going to be worth it for me

to stay up until 12 a.m. And guys, for me, that's a lot. Because of my kids. Yeah. And so when I do it, I'll do the immediate reaction. I'll do the next day. I'll do the spoiler review. I'll do the whole thing for that show because I know that because of the audience that we have,

they're going to be interested in it to. And I do a test to see what the audience is looking for to. I've done two tests for Secret Invasion. The first part of it is. I did my review for episode one and two later than everyone else when the embargo job there anybody did, did just as good as, and maybe even better than some people who put it out two weeks before. It's part one.

Part two is I didn't stay up, recover the third one. I did my review. Review did fine. The third one didn't review it. I haven't seen one comment saying, where is your secret evasion? I've seen a lot. I did see a lot specifically about this show. They were like, you guys do all the super, why have you not?

That's for this show. No, no, no, I get that. I'm talking of my review personally. Sure. We'll talk about secret invasion a little bit because absolutely 100% people said, how come you guys didn't, haven't talked about it on this show. That makes sense. That's what we do here.

I'm talking about in general where it's normally like, hey, where's your, where's your, where's your, uh, your Sheeulk review? See, I'm the other way. Whereas I'm watching, it's something I personally want to do well. So I would rather cover this as an underdog thing that I would rather have less numbers than crap that I don't like. Like I would like as someone trying to push stuff. I'm like, this is the quality content I want Marvel to make. If I can do anything with my voice. I agree with you.

So like where I'm standing is like, I will stay up. You want to cover what you want to cover. And that's the same thing for me. I want to cover what I want to cover. but I also want to make sure that it's beneficial to what I'm doing, because I'm just been doing this for a long time now where I'm just like, I'm only covering stuff that I want to watch. And if I watch Secret Invasion now,

because of the algorithm and everything else too, I'll talk about it here. I ain't talking about it on my channel. And that's fair. Because it's in a weird place with YouTube, where I know other people that cover things, and they cover things because they love it, and they're, like, if the channel is known for one thing,

and then they start doing reviews, and their review is, let's say, it's hypothetically secret invasion, and they want to start doing reviews. And their reviews start getting 800. Let's say that their reactions do 20,000, 30,000. The algorithm says people watch this channel for reactions. Are they going to watch it for reviews? And then nobody watches the Secret Invasion review,

and that's your first couple out of the bank, and it does 800. YouTube says nobody's watching this for reviews. We're not pushing it. So your next review doesn't do well. And your next review doesn't do well. And it's just, it's how it goes now. And it sucks.

Yeah. But it's like, I understand your point. I want to talk about this stuff. That's why I like to talk about it here. Because if we put it on the title, Deadpool, people are going to click in for Deadpool. And then we're talking about secret invasion. We're still talking about what we want to talk about. And we're pushing it out to people because we want to talk about it this way.

But leading with it, it's just a, it's a shitty game. Yeah. Yeah. Look, I will promise to go play catch up because I have to. and then if we want to talk about the last couple episodes next time i'm down to do that we can do maybe like a spoiler conversation i haven't i haven't seen it yeah i just haven't seen it um for you know for the third one i'll probably i'll watch the fourth and and i probably even check i think i can't remember if i watched it i started watching with my wife oh yeah and she bailed on it we should know everything about

comic-com next week too so we'll have stuff to talk about oh yeah so all right let's get into this we'll do this shoot i i took some questions so i know that there was a few questions things up top that I mentioned as far stories go and we're not going to cover them. But we'll get in some of these questions. And the first is from Clinton Engler, 3481. Why hasn't Image Comics characters taken off on the big screen? Do you think there's a possibility a major studio can invest in all of their IP? Coy, let's start with you.

Image Comics is a really different thing than a standard publisher in that there's no centralized focal point like there are at Marvel and D.C. You own your character still. That's why it's really good for comic creators there. The artists and writers, they own it differently. So it's harder to point a target and go, I would like to adapt this because it's owned by so many different moving parts. Whereas if you own a character, if you're a publisher, you can go, hey, studio, you can have this character.

I own it. I have the right to sell it to you. So it's the complications of legal. Plus, there's also not a main focal point for like a PR hub. So it's harder to get the word of mouth out as well as to have ownership in an independent publisher-like image. even though it's the biggest independent publisher, it's still independent. Because it's what, Ninja Turtles is like they're big.

That's IDW. Images, something is killing the, no, sorry, that's boom. Images, saga, Department of Truth. They've got some really, really great new creator-owned stuff. They're the, like, everything hub. Boom and image or two. But boom is adapting like a studio.

Right. So that's why something is killing the children's getting a Netflix show. That's why Preser is getting all those things. Because they have that in mind. Whereas image has all of those great creator-owned things, but not with that focal point. It feels like at least with boom, it reminds me a lot of like, not to take it to health care, Jesus Christ, but like Kaiser, where it's just all, it's like, yeah, bro, where's the smasher. Permanente.

Just in that, if you go to your doctor, like, okay, go downstairs, get the blood work and then go over here and get the x-ray, and it's all within house. Versus, okay, here's a referral to go do this. You've got this orthopedist. You've got an image like they had deadly class come out, but unfortunately as it's one of the best superhero TV. shows. Not enough people watched it. So I feel like images taken a bunch of L.S was a show? Yeah. And it was incredible. It literally Benedict Wong is the headmaster.

It's so good. I literally did. I actually wrote a bunch of dissertations for Rick Remed to try to get the show back. Yeah, I really wrote thesis things to sci-fi. Ph.D. in comics. No, but like I wrote... Everybody, your doctor here, your professor here's a day, Dr. Shit.

Dr. Shit is here, and he doesn't know shit. But yeah, sci-fi. It was on sci-fi when they re-rented to S-Y-F-Y-Y. And it was a great deadly class show one season. That's a shit me. Joey Pickles. Joey Pickles. He's my first patient.

Sir, you've got a case of Apitis. You gangbagan on bacon. All right, let's see next one. 11th Cub fan says, with how Shazam 2 and the Flash performed, should W.B even release Blue Beetle or Aquaman 2 in the theaters? If they're not good, wouldn't that tarners the DC brand even further? All right. So here's the problem.

the reason why the flash was put out and why you this is the problem that David Zazlov kind of came into and everybody kind of came into during this is that you have budgets you have movies that were already put out and now these things are done or almost done if you don't try to make some of that money back then it is an epic loss so so you look at the flash which has now made what, maybe $200 million or whatever it was. It's bare, I think it just made its production. It just made three, yeah, yeah.

It just made three. So it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's barely, it's, it's, maybe it breaks even, maybe, it'll still be at a loss. Even if it's a, at a loss, it's still made back at least $250 million. If you didn't put it out at all, nothing. And you, and now, now you're losing. And I think a lot of people are confused because the back girl situation. That was at a unique time when they were able to write it off as a loss

because of someone acquiring a company. There's a certain window of time when you acquire a company that you can say, hey, we took these assets that won't make money, they're going to be a tax write off, and that's why they can't show the movie ever.

That's why they can't have it housed. They can't, like, screen it because it's something that is not viable and thus they can take a tax loss on it. They would have had to have done that with Aquaman before. They would have had to done that with Blue Beetle earlier. And so now that window is closed, they now need to make some money.

Yes, they also didn't think it was a good movie. That's why they said it was not viable or whatever. and they didn't put any marketing into it. Right. So that's another thing. They believe that the Flash could make them back. They thought it could at least

have them break even and make a little money. Yeah. So they took the risk on it. So the same thing for Aquaman. Aquaman made a billion dollars, the first one. It made a billion dollars.

It would be, if they have the movie, and reports are that it's not great, but who knows, there are reports that a lot of movies have not been great and turned out to be good. So this movie

would be silly to leave them on the shelves because it's going to be. But he's not wrong, though, that to the casual fan, if you keep putting movies out there, they're like, eh, eh, eh, eh, by the time Superman gets around, you're like, casual fan, eh. You know, so he's not wrong,

but it's like, but you can't, you can't sit these movies on the show, you just can't. Yeah, I, I, there, I think that's a big part of it, I think, from a per, like, a, um, god, what of the word, not, not a perspective, a, um, just, what is, what is, something looks like something from the,

the, what is wrong with my brain right now? Something looks like something. From an outside perspective, that's what I mean. Jesus Christ. You said not perspective specific. No, no, I know. It was outside perspective. I was like, what do you mean by not perspective?

That's why. So from an outside perspective, on top of that, you have certain people that are looking at this because they are saying, hey, this is the first, like, major, like, Latin superhero that's going to get this kind of, it would behoove you not to twice cancel that. Also, show those big, like, swings post-oride kid. There's a lot of good juice. And James Gunn has already said that he will

show up in the DCU, so he wants him to be introduced. Right. So that one makes a lot of sense. Plus, that movie did not cost that much to make. I can't believe it. Because it was originally scheduled for a screener, for a streaming, and then they switched out. And they've got a lot of confidence.

So let's see if they even have it in here, but Blue Beetle budget. I cannot believe I struggled to find the word outside perspective. That's a lot of money for this movie. It's $120 million for, now, we're just talking about how, yeah, now, because the difference with say, like,

Ryan Reynolds' Deadpool for 55, it had Ryan Reynolds in it. I love Sholo more than maybe anybody. He, he ain't got that kind of star power that Ryan Reynolds has, right? This was Reynolds at a depth, not a rise, though, but it doesn't matter. I was trying to help you

up, Shol. Yeah, yeah, but look, I love Sholos is a superstar, but I'm just saying he's, he's got to do this on word of mouth. This movie has to be really good in order to make back $120 million. What about how much how much was Backgirl? The Backgirl budget?

Yeah. Because that I don't know if they were going to release that. No, no, no, I understand. Oh, I thought it they had said that they... 90 million. Okay. So you were, you were pushing it, but you hadn't fully gone into danger zone yet as far as that budget. No, marketing. Marketing.

You probably can probably put it close to 200. No, no, no, I understand it. But I'm saying right at that exact point, you were like, ooh, this is right on the edge that, like, I would rather get the 5% back and whatever. Versus at 120 now, you're already kind of in the danger zone. You've already seen the bad publicity that came from it. On top of that, you think one is actually a pretty good movie. The other one, you didn't think was good at all.

You run that gamble. It's literally looking at the table and you're like... You put it out in August when there's nothing else really out. That's going to be huge for it. That's going to be huge for it. And if it's got, if it's good, it's got a shot to be kind of a summer darling. If it's got, so that's worth the risk. And it's got legs if it's good.

Because September's pretty open, too. So if it's good, it'll last. Callum 1327. How well do you see Superman legacy doing with the recent box office bombs of Flash Shazam and Black Adam? So that's, I mean, that kind of ties into what we were just talking about. This is, this is a tough question. Because you have enough time in between. Aquaman's going to be done.

Two years, right? 25. The last movie, Aquaman is December. right and then they have nothing until Superman right so you have all of 2024 off and then you've got a half year 2025 to promote the hell out of this thing right to put everything you have into this is why you need to watch the new DCU this is why because you're going to have like penguin come out and those types of things but no no movies like so you have everything goes into the marketing now am I wrong but is because someone

told me that there are no studios going to comic con isn't water brother still going they haven't announced. They've announced that who isn't going, but they haven't, the Warner Brothers hasn't said one way the other. All right. So, anyway, yeah, you've got a lot of time to promote this and push this stink of all these movies that have come out. It'll be almost two years.

When does Superman come out? July? I think it's July 2025. It's about a year and a half. But it's also just dependent on how much longer we're in the strike. Yeah, that might shift. If it goes too much longer, especially if SAG does, because I believe Monday is the deadline now because they pushed it. It pushed it. So if all of that goes, you know, it's up, then, you know.

All bets are off. All bets are off. You have no idea. Yeah. All right. Corey's got to get out of here. Not really my fault. He showed up late.

So, uh, how long has this show been? Has this been an hour and 20 minutes? I think it has. Hour and seven minutes. I can see it on the bottom. It's over an hour and seven. You're supposed to be here at 10, got here at 10.

20. All right. So man's on crutches. Yep. Uh, anyway. Thanks for joining us here today. I appreciate you.

Thank you to Koi. Where can they find you? YouTube, Instagram, TikTok, anywhere with my name, at Koi Jondro. Probably by the end of the week. Blue Sky, Threads, Hive, Friendster, your house, PO Boxes, various movie theaters. Blue Sky is the new one. No, actually, Threads is the new one. No, actually, Threads is the one that's got invites out.

Yeah, yeah. Threads is the, it's a lot. It's a lot, Winston. I'm tired. At the Swaggy Blurred Spill. Y'all white people don't know about that. Threads, Twitter, Instagram, TikTok. White people got Blue Sky, apparently.

That's fine. But no, no, no, real talk. At the Swaggy Blurt Everywhere, man. I've really been putting a lot into these breakfast AM news stuff, so definitely check that out. And I've been doing my CPT reviews. If you know, you know. But I'm covering movies that, like, I should have watched by this point

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