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Episode Date: October 7, 2022

Daredevil is in the MCU, and we knew as much with Spider-Man No Way Home. The marketing of She-Hulk has shown the arrival of Daredevil and it was also announced that he would have his own 18 episode show. So how did his debut in She-Hulk come off? Was it the same character, similar as the Netflix version? Charlie Cox returned and Winston, Kristian and Coy discuss their thoughts on the episode. We also discuss Blue Beetle, the X-Men contract and when the new casting of the characters will happen, and Keanu Reeves could direct his own comic book in movie form. #shehulk #daredevil #marvel #mcu MY BOOKIE: Double your deposit and use the CODE: Big Thing at http://www.mybookie.ag AMAZON WISHLIST: https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/1KPH42T0TP0PG?ref=cm_sw_em_r_un_un_djbxgIW5ZQMMg PATREON: http://www.patreon.com/thebigthingshow SCHMOEDOWN ARCHIVE CHANNEL: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheMovieTriviaSchmoedownArchives Ask Kristian questions for next time! https://facebook.com/harloff Become a Patreon of the Schmoedown: http://patreon.com/schmoedown OTHER GREAT CONTENT: REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT368qY7sfE0nKE4c04CqGvu TV REVIEWS https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT1LU-t2Z9AD5UJDiWW4pS_E STAR WARS SHOW https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT0XmfpbblkF9PY7uO2qhbN6 THE BIG THING PODCAST https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJdE28YyUT3KAwbzDsv6mdR-gwUiydQg FOLLOW KRISTIAN + FIND HIM ON CAMEO https://cameo.com/kristianharloff https://twitter.com/kristianharloff https://facebook.com/harloff https://instagram.com/kristianharloff Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I hope you're all doing well today. What is today? Today is She Hulk episode 8. Spoiler heavy review for the capes and cows crew. I know that you guys are here for. We know that deer devil is in the damn show. Don't spoil it. They've been spoiling it since episode one.

So tough S. H-I-T is great. I love T sometimes. So, anyway, I'm like that one. Anyway, I don't know why. It's stupid. It's stupid.

But you know what's not stupid, you guys? You guys are so great. And I appreciate everything that you've done for us so far. I mean, you've done so much. And a lot of people are always asking how to support the show. Well, you can go to Spotify. And Capes and Cal is on there every Friday on the big thing. So make sure you check that out.

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It just keeps evolving. And it's not stopping. And that's also thank you to Brett Sheridan. It's been working tirelessly. Every day, although the lazy bastard missed today on Monday and Tuesday. But other than that, we're good to go, man. Canter Reeves might be directing a movie. We're going to have our thoughts, non-spoiler on Wehrwolf by Night.

There's a lot of other things. There's other movies, something else coming out that was going to talk about. I can't remember what it was. It doesn't matter. We have a lot that we'll talk about. It's capes and cows, everybody. Let's get into it. Me, Winston, and Coy is back.

So let's do it. Hello everybody, welcome back to Capes and Cals. Thank you for joining us. Quoit. I always wonder if the words were to that song now. Winston, now you know. You're always curious. Man, I just didn't know.

No, no. This is this, it's inside joke. Inside joke. Yeah, it's fine. I just didn't know you were that petty. I am. They made a song about it. Enough that you made a song and you can go out and sing it,

Tamasoo, and I just have to sit here and take it. Is that how this works? Oh, my friends, how I miss you. You're not here. Uh-huh. Sitting by myself. It's nice to see everybody.

I hope everybody's good. Look at these lights behind Koi. They look good. Winston. It looks good, man. And it's really, it's coming along. And we're excited that you guys get the joy. Look at that.

It's a good job. Your shot, though, real quick. Just to, I think you are, you see that black over there? Oh, is that a thing again? I think so. Yeah, I did that last time, I think, though, too. Yeah, just checking on it. There it is, yep.

Yeah, I always think it blends. I always think it's the screen. Right, but I was like, that's too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it is. Yeah. So, this is, we got a lot to talk about. The first thing, actually, we will talk, obviously, about, Shehawk, where we're going to talk about it.

But I did want to bring up, because you guys had mentioned you, we had Sholo Medo Dwayne on last week. You guys said you checked it out. Thank you. And he's, of course, playing Blue Beetle. And we didn't get a lot of news going before that about Blue Beetle. And he and I talked about it for like a half an hour. He didn't give any.

What I thought he did very smart was he talked about the comics and the story of the comics. Because those aren't spoilers. You can buy those comics. You can do that. You can go look it up right now. Yeah. And it seemed as if he was telling, he was talking. He was talking about everything inside the comics to me.

He did not confirm this at all, but it did seem like that's going to be some of the stuff that we will see in the movie. Yeah. Now, I don't know anything about Blue Beetle, right? So I don't know how much you guys know about the character in general. I'm excited about the movie because of Sholo. My relationship with Sholo, I think he's a phenomenal kid.

Brett was sitting in the studio for it and she's like, that kid is awesome. He's just a good human being. He's been like that since he's 16 years old. Wow. And he's just a really good. good person, I root for him. But tell me a little bit about why, as fans of the, are you guys both familiar with it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So why should, what's, what's exciting about this character?

Um, there, there's a couple things. I think the, the immediate on its face is the representation side of it, the fact that, you know, Jaime Reyes just being, uh, of Latino descent. It's like Latino led superhero, right? So that's, that's, that's, it's huge like that, but I guess the easiest way to think about Blue Beetle and like his power set, for example, think like Iron Man's like Nanosuit that he was using against Thanos. Yeah. And instead of like Friday being kind of nice, imagine an alien that hates all humans and thinks of them just as like meat bags.

So it's kind of like like venom a little bit. A little bit like Venom. Venom Iron Man. That is a, that is a perfect way to describe it. So when you're adding that in the fact that, um, I'm assuming they're, they're picking up where he normally is around a teenager age. I would assume. Um,

I mean, obviously, you know, wish hello. But that's the other part is the idea that, like, you, it leads to, it lends itself to comedy and that it's like, oh, that your pulse is elevated. You must be in the middle of a battle. Should I vaporizer? No, no, no, that's my girlfriend. Please don't hurt it. Like it's so this idea of the teenager trying to work his shit out, but then, sorry, trying to work his stuff out, but then also figuring out what it is to be a superhero and kind of helping the alien tech become less hostile. There's just a lot of those elements there of just really trying to find himself about the character that makes him so lovable and makes you want to root for him because he's just trying to, he reminds me so much of Peter Parker or Miles Morales.

But just with the sidekick essentially, it's kind of wild. Yeah, I was going to say the underdog element is what draws me to him. I really like characters that feel like it's always them against the world, much like Spider-Man, much like Invincible, much like Miss Marvel. Those characters that feel like, oh, they're all of us because we've. We've all, especially if you enjoy comic books, you tend to be the guy that's like fighting against things or girls fighting against things. And I think that Sholo is able to, I mean, especially with what he's done in Cobra Kai, he's able to show an earnestness that's really like on his sleeve. And I think Blue Beetle, the thing I like about Blue Beetle is, while he's got the dichotomy of the sidekick, he's also emotional. Like everything he is is very available.

So the availability of those emotions, I think he's going to handle really well. And I also think he's got a leadership quality. And down the line, you've got like Blue Beetle and Booster Gold, which is a really fun duo. Down the line, like there are certain elements where in a team, it's dynamic. Well, because originally Booster was friends with the OG Blue Bito Chord. Yeah. And Cord didn't have the scare up.

He discovered it, this alien tech, but he was just a hero on his own. Just a guy. A really smart scientist that made his own tools. But to be honest, I think that they won't do multiple Blue Beal. I think Booster Gold can work with Sholo. Absolutely. Because Booster then becomes like a pseudo mentor, like a bad mentor. Yeah.

Because Goal does an ass. I want like a Zach Efron type. I want like a, you know what I mean? Like a social media. So Booster Gold's like an influencer from the future. Basically that uses superheroism to be like a, to be rich and famous. He wants to come back and be rich and famous. So he's like, I know what will happen.

I'll go back to the age of Superman because like they could use my help. And then he just keeps getting his ass. He's awful. So it's really fun. And that duo is really fun because one's like emotionally available. one's like kind of a prick. Well, it sounds fun and I'm hearing you guys talk about it

here, Sholo talk about it and the fact that it comes out in August there's so much, we talked about it on a big thing yesterday, all the things that are coming out. Next year's gonna be big for us on this channel. In general, yes, for sure, in this channel absolutely,

but the amount of movies that come out outside of the comic book realm and march through like the end of August is just stacked. But inside of the comic book realm starts in February with like Ant Man. And Ant Man looks huge. It's gonna be massive.

Everyone's finally seen that trailer, right? No, I don't think you see it. It hasn't come out of it. It hasn't come out yet. So that one comes out in February, and then you've got the marvels that come out. You've got, dude, I'm hearing, and I'm sure you guys are too.

I got off the phone with somebody the other day who saw the flash and a test screening and said it is out of control good. I mean, Annie Mochietti is one of the best directors working. Now, this is temp score, though. This is temp score, said that it is super emotional, said that Keaton is out of control good and that just it is, it is not campy and it works.

Wouldn't it have to be? You know what I mean? Like, the bar is so high. Like, I've never seen a movie have to be as good as this has to be. To rationalize it. For them to not only not throw it out, but also, what, $2.50? Yeah. You better get it right for $250.

Well, Roxy said it yesterday on the show, and you just said it too. It makes a lot more sense. If it's that good. it makes a lot more sense why Zoloft is going figure it out whatever it is whatever it is

and that's saying a lot because whatever it is is every crime get Ezra into therapy I don't care what it is I don't care what do they want them to do I don't care if they want them to put on a spacesuit whatever it needs whatever it is

do it because the Wonder Woman crossed a billion but it would be your I believe but this would be your this would be yeah the first one so this would be your second billion dollar DC movie

comes out of the end Nolan yeah comes out of the end of June. I don't know if Darkwatering. Didn't rise? I don't know if I made a billion, but either of a way, but nonetheless, it's still going to make a lot of money. Yeah. It comes out in June.

You've got Shazam that comes out. Yeah. You've got that movie. You've got, you've got the marvels that are coming out. You've got Guardians is coming out. It's going, it's going to be nuts. I mean, and not even summer, 2023 is going to be nuts. Because it's, and because it's a lot of this stuff that got pushed out of 2020 to into

23, which is already a stack 2023. Right. So, yeah. And then you couple up the Blue Beetle with that as well. At the end of August, there's so much to be at. And that's not mentioning the shows. Right. And so if we do mention some shows, what we have right now is the She-Hulk right now.

And She-Hulk, we'll get to all this stuff in a second. I want to get away from this. Just give me a second. So She-Hulk. No, I know. I haven't, I don't have all the... There he is. We can start.

Look, Deer Devil. I love that that's how they decided to introduce the hallways, man. Always. Hallways, bro. Yeah, well, that was a pretty good idea. We have a bunch of images that we'll show here in this idiot. Hey, there he is. So Sheehold.

Perfect. We got there. Sheeulk turning in luck. High wave, James Earl Jones. We got there. We got there. This pucks shows up. And right away, I'm like, here we go again.

I'm like, this is going to be, we're right back. I'm like, why don't they just go and stop working for this show and work for the boys? because they want to be the boys so badly. And so the show starts and this and all this happens. And I'm like, okay, here we go, leapfrog. And don't give me the, he's in the comics. I don't care. It's terrible.

I've given up using that as an argument for you. It's terrible. So I'm like, okay. And then they go, then she, what I did like right away was, oh, they're going to, she's actually going to be a lawyer in this episode. That's cool. Yeah. It's been a while.

Yeah. And not she's going to be the defendant on a trademark. Not she's going to a wedding. Not she's going into, she's going to, it's, it's, it's, it's, we haven't, we haven't, we haven't, we haven't, we haven't, we haven't, since Blonsky, I think. This is what I, right. Wong, Wong, Wong. Well, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That was episode three. Yeah, there was like, right, right. So, but that's what I thought the show. So I'm like, okay, we're into that. Now I'm, I'm starting to get on board a little bit more with it. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter, but yes, but it's been a while. Yeah, but now I'm getting a little bit more on board with it.

So I'm okay, great. So then she goes back to the worst designer in the world who should be representing her from the start because she's the only female Hulk in the world but he decides to he wants to let his ego get a hold of it. And now I did like, I liked their back and forth that he's like, oh, you're going to do what to me now? Okay, get the hell out of here.

I'm not going to work in tears the suit. I thought it was a funny moment. I'm like, okay, this show is, this is the stuff that I like so far because she's doing her thing. And it's balanced? It's balanced. And then, so she sits down and like, who's your representation?

I'm like, well, we will clearly. I genuinely didn't put two and two together. I got it. I got it right at, well, then who is it? I go, oh, shit. Like, it literally clicked at the last second. What times did you watch it? Five in the morning kind of stoned.

I was literally sitting here, eating a peanut butter jelly sandwich and five of the world. It's like, I. Yeah, yeah, right. I'm going to give you a pass because the rest of us put it together. This is what that was. Actually, it might have just been on the tea. It might have just been a tea, bud.

But nonetheless. So he shows up. Is that dare tothal? Right, right. Literally when he goes, I'm not an idiot. I have a lawyer and I was like, oh. Like that literally. Then you knew who it was.

That Murdoch's in this show? I hadn't heard. That's right. But he shows up and there he is. And he shows up. And so I'm not going to lie that I was on. I'm like, okay. Let's see how they're going to represent him now

because Kingpin they did dirty. Your word. What's that? You were worried. That was worried. Yeah, yeah. So I'm like, it's, now, not that he was going to crack jokes because he cracked jokes in Netflix.

Yep. And they started with him. His first line is a joke. And it's, I was parking. I'm like, that's, that's a Matt Murdoch joke. Yeah. I'm like, okay, I'm like, we're in good shape here. Thought he was handled perfect.

Yeah. He was handled really well. Thought he, and he comes in there, annihilates her in, in the courtroom, as he should. He's way more experienced at this at the moment. comes in, does it. Plus, she should have done a little more research and said, hey, did you sign, did you look at all the paper, or did you do everything?

She didn't do her due diligence before. That was the only thing that I thought was interesting, but I know you had to write it that way because you needed that to happen. But also the way she, I rationalized it was she didn't want to take the case and it was rushed. Right, no, no, it was, it definitely was that. But I thought knowing that she's like, this dude is a moron, that that would have been something she would have thought about ahead of time. But I think that that's-

And she let her personal feelings get in the way because now she wanted after he ripped up her suit or her dress. She wanted to get at him. She wanted to get at him. So it became personal. And because of that, she lost the case. And I thought, I'm like, that's great. I'm like this. So I right away felt myself like this feels like episode one and two.

Yeah. This feels like the show that I was like, oh, this is the one. I don't give a crap. Who like this show? I love this show. I'm like, this is, I'm starting to get back to that after those rough last couple of ones. And then they go and they go to the bar. And this is when we really get to see their chemistry happen between the two of them.

And one of the best lines of dialogue in the show happens for me, where Matt Murdoch is explaining that she as Jen and as Sheehulk can represent the best in all things. Society, when society fails, law and when law fails. And I thought that was the beautiful thing about this show is the entire eight episodes or seven episodes to this point, she's been fighting between wanting to be Jen or wanting to be Shehulk. We've seen her physical insecurity, we've seen her boastfulness, we've seen a myriad of different emotions and her leaning one way or the other. That was the thesis statement is you can be both,

embracing both sides of you. And I think that that's one of the things I like most about superheroes is when you find that moment where you're embracing all of you, when you're embracing the hero and you're embracing the person when you're the secret identity. So to have it spelled out in a line of dialogue from Matt Murdoch as, like, Charlie Cox nailed that duality. And that made, honestly, the rough,

patches in this show worth it. For me, that single line. Like that line, I was like, okay, the show, I'm all my moment. I think, like you said, because we've been fighting with that this entire series so far, it does feel like a redeeming moment.

It rationalizes seven episodes versus five. It does. You know what I mean? Because a lot of people are like, oh, the show's one of the ones that has filler episodes. But we need those highs and lows, not necessarily saying all the episodes

are equally good, but what it is saying is, we needed her to feel all those different things before we got to that epitiveness. I hear what you're saying, I agree with a portion of it, meaning that I think that you still could have done the lawyer thing with her. I still go back to that episode, whether it was the wedding episode. I know why she had to go there, but the side thing of the apologies, apologies guy.

That's a case in a different episode that she should have taken. Mr. Immortal. Yes. Now, like those types of things, but the understanding of her getting to that place of the confidence, right? And it was good that we, because what we know is with their chemistry, we know that Matt Murdoch's a good guy. He's not going to dick her over like everyone else. We know that.

So we're at that point, we're going, I think God, this isn't going to happen again. Because the part of the, we've been there and we've been through her journey. So it makes more when she finally gets a meaningful relationship. I agree with that. But the beating you over the head with it consistently every episode was like, let's, like, what I brought up Winston inside of this was like when you had in Cobra guy.

how long can you have Johnny and Daniel fight before it's like, let's go, let's go. Yeah, it's the same thing with her. Yeah, unless you find a fresh reason to do it. So like, for example, them constantly fighting and it's being kind of stupid. And then I think the moment that did is when like, we got a team up. And then, oh, we can't do this. Fine.

We're going to fight one more times to show who the real big dog is. You know what I mean? And I think that's where you ended up with Eagle Fang for a minute. Yeah, but in general, but watching her like, again, She's not desirable. No one, and it's like, Tatama, Tatiana's Lonni is hot.

Yeah. She's, she's, she's, I mean, there's, there's, there's nothing about her in this that I'm going,

like, everybody thinks she's like, not desirable. But I did love the actual, like palpable chemistry to show what it should feel like. Yes. The spark was, you know,

100%. Because when that happened, I was like, wow, I am, this is everything. This is what I want. So we saw the scene at D23.

Yeah. They show, they show the rooftop scene. And that, the lead up to that now, we got in, inside this episode. And I think that the way that they played it was really good.

And I think that Charlie Cox and Daredevil, as Daredevil, was consistent to what we were hoping. And he played into the tone because the tone shifted in this one. Yeah. It wasn't a complete silly show anymore. It was a silly show mixed with a Marvel show. Right. That's why I enjoyed this episode because it was the blend.

And it wasn't just like stupid frog. I'm using my one. S-hole was was hard. horrible in the beginning. And as he frugged out throughout the, throughout the episode, I'm like, okay, fine. He's just, he's serviceable. He's serviceable and he,

and because the guy that she's sitting at the table with also, it has the Wakanda spear, I like that scene. And I laughed. Todd Phillips. Did you catch that? No, he's been named Todd the whole time,

and then they called him Mr. Phillips. So his name is Todd Phillips. Hilarious. Wait, why, why are they doing that, though? I know who Todd Phillips is. I imagine they're going at,

we live in a society, kind of like, you know what? Like, who made the Joker movie? Like, is this not the time? So the name of the guy's name's name's Todd Phillips. It's funny.

But that's not what I laughed at was she pulled a Phoebe from friends when, whatever he said to her, he said something really offensive to her then. And she goes, no. And she throws the tape. I laughed. I laughed pretty hard at that one.

And I actually, for all you people who abuse it, I l-o-o-l. Oh. L-O-L. The text came true. Do you see my comment, Winston, when people are L-O-L in the comments? No, what do you do?

If it's not, Brett and I have this on, going thing that it's like if someone goes L.O. Well, you guys didn't really watch this. I'm like, wait a minute. So you're telling me this is what you did? They didn't really watch this. Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

I go, L.O.L. That's not really true. L.O.L. We did actually watch it. L.O.O.O.O.O.O. I was like, I hate L.O.L. So much. Whoever vetted L.L. should be put in a garbage can and dumped down the street. I mean, it had a point in time where it was

very important. The chags, bro? You were back in that. You didn't do it. I guess it's abused. I've always been a ha-ha. Are you a ha-ha or an L-O-L? Ha-ha. Depends on my mood.

Ha-ha, but ha-ha. I'm real. I don't know that I've ever texted. You actually L-O-L, so I take it for real. I do. I've seen you L-O-L. I've maybe texted L-L like in life like two dozen times, but they've always been accurate. Like I've, when I've actually lost.

I know Winston. It's an L-O-L-L. Oh, he does. You should actually just speaking about this. You should ask about Ellis going to a show because he was like, yo, you're not R-B-3. and who was the other person he named? And he just like, you're not RB3, but God damn that I know you were at that show

because I was in the very back. You're like a lost. You LOL. A hard core. Did the whole black like, oh. But that's what I mean, though. Like when Winston LOL's in the comments or something, he's LOLing.

He meant it. Don't abuse. I l-O-Led a lot in this episode. But I did too. I mean, to be honest, even to have her to be like, yeah, I bought this Wakan,

and, you know, like, Wakanda, don't do that. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, they got me. They, they got me in the one moment, like, yeah, they're making some complaint that, like, colonizers stole it or something like that. Like, I was, like, you know, everything about that I hear shirry anokoye being like, why did this? Also, I hear every message board.

Like, I love how well they've captured the people that I, like, disrespect our fandoms. Like, I love that they really captured the people I hate most about being considered Marvel fans. Yeah. And Todd Phillips has been captured. Like this character is so beautifully the people we have to deal with. He's playing it well. He's playing it well.

And honestly, I think that this episode to me, like obviously to me, far and away best episode of the season. But it's also up there with some of the best MCU episodes. Like this episode did what it needed to do in balancing action and comedy. It did what I want shows to do where they use action to further the narrative as well as the action to keep you invested. And it made sure the characters served each other while not sacrificing either. character. So I agree with that it's the best

episode of this of the series so far. I'm not going to put it as far as Marvel goes to because Frog, Frog Boy took me out. I'm sorry. He just, he just, he just took me out. See, I guess I can understand that, but I guess if you probably answered me this question. I know you needed them. I know you needed them. I was going to say, if you weren't, if you didn't just deal with Man Bowl and

and, uh, uh, L, Avalo, it doesn't matter. Either way. What I mind it is much, no. Right. No. So you, you've got a bad taste in your mouth and that's why. 100%. It's consistently throughout the show where they've been doing it with all these different kind of just where do all these people come from? And they're just suddenly there. On my

rewatch of phase four, I'm probably going to watch one, two, eight, and nine. That's it. Like, I'll probably you know what I'm like, that's going to be my two hours. Also answer me this question. Is this the first time that we got the official in canon announcement of the Socovia Corps were repealed? Yeah, first time I've heard it since. That was, I was like,

I was like, oh, okay, there is. This episode did a lot. It world built out the MCU. It built us in these characters, getting their lead moments. It furthered the narrative, and it balanced out all of the hides and lows of Jen. But it also finally gave us a reason for every single person who had been poking the bear like the end. The ending was amazing. Yes, this was the show that I thought this was going to be.

It's what they were told for the beginning. Yeah, it was, it was, her as a lawyer, it was her trying to figure herself out how to balance in between the dating life, but it was a Marvel show. Throughout all of it, it was a combination of both. It was, and what I think is unfortunate, is the fact that it's like, well, the reason why it's so good it's because Daredevil was in it. No, it just happens to be written balanced.

It just happened because he was the character that helped her balance it out, but it could have been any of those things to where it was like, where she was, you know, when it was Hulk in the first one, it was the, they balanced it out. And if Daredevil wasn't as beloved, and they say we never got Charlie Cox's Daredevil, this would still be an exceptional episode without all the built-in fandom of Daredevil because they both happened to be the two horniest characters

and Marvel. So it worked to introduce him. If he was brand new and he never seen him in Netflix or anything. Like if we just got Charlie Cox today, this would still be as exceptional because that's a logical way to introduce them. Those are the two characters that hook up the most. Those are the two characters that get some. There's what, the four, the, the Mount Rushmore of hornyness and Marvel.

100% those two. Is the two of them, Tony Stark and Zeus. Yeah. I think Nick Fury nails. I think he does, but he's covert, but he's covert about it. We just don't hear about it. Like he's definitely like, this out there. No, he's put in the work. But you're right. And a lot of that and the way that they

played into that in general. But what I also liked, we didn't talk about inside of that, that, that scene with the two of them here when she's like, why are you even here, don't you have a whole thing in New York? Because the audience is going, wait a man. Why isn't he in New York? He was just in New York or Spider-Man. Yeah. Why isn't in New York? And he's like, well, I do this work because we have a pro bono thing in New York and it doesn't bring us a lot of money, which brings back to the, which clever. And then it's like, and I help out from here and there and do some things. And you're like, and why he represented that guy was clever because of two lines into his defense, it was, oh, I'm covering my heroes ass. Like, he's covering other heroes.

Like two lines in, you know why he took that case. Two lines in, you know why he would go against Jen. And in comic books, heroes always fight before they team up. They managed to make Matt and Jen fight for the teamed up and Daredevil and Sheilk fight for they teamed up in 20 minutes. And they kept it consistent with his character where he walks in and he goes, look, that was business. Yep. I'm in Nia. I think and you're pretty great right off the bat.

I'm like, this is finally a good, a good dude. And the immediate unmasking, which would happen in real life. Right away. Like she Hulk, do you know what? Absolutely. If you're a Hulk, you unmask the guy, you're fighting. Who is it? And that was genius.

I thought it was great because a lot of times they're like, oh, they're not going to reveal it. Like when Willemy, Spider-Man, same way of the roof for days. He's just like, what's going to happen? It was, it was both that. The line she said, she was like, bro, did you really just pretend to be blinded? That's a low blow. Between the Wakanda jokes, the pretend to be blind,

like they handled so many of the commentaries on these characters so well. He's like, no, no, take it easier. You got echolocation? Sure, fine. All of that. And Matt, like, giving her crap, like she's just started this journey.

Like, you've never done this. And the Goons v. Hens v. Hensman stuff, that's all peak comic book. And the way it was shot. The backgrounds? Good God, was this a comic book frame. The callback afterwards, where she's like, well, no, no, let me.

He's like, I've been doing this for a while. Let me go do my stealth thing. It's a better way to go in. And she's like, no, no, let me just go in. I'll smash everything. And she was like, you don't want to lead with the superpowers? And he's like, I have superpowers. She goes, oh, what, right, right?

Your bat stuff, right? Your echolocation, right? And he's like, you know what? Yeah, even at the end when she's just like, see, and the two jokes, when he first, she's talking about the half an hour. He's like, you're still not getting the math part of this. Yeah.

And she's like, yeah, but it took you so long. he's like, yeah, but you cost a lot of problems. It was a great conversation, and it was, and it wasn't like, it wasn't sticky. It was, it was what we've always talked about on this show, and in general, whether it's Star Wars or anything to, does it fit the characters? Right. And built out the narrative. Yeah, which is so hard to do. Yes, and Daredevil wasn't doing this.

Right. Look at me. He would care about property damage, and it's a funny joke. All of that, because he's got to probably pay attention to it, but the thing that I think that everybody was talking about, and rightfully so, within now, obviously, there, obviously there, well this scene we talked about but it's just hilarious they they battle she puts on the stuff that she did from episode one right they have they have the fight it's it's pretty equal because he's flipping around

whether they put his gold his uh yellow and red outfit too yeah see him better too yeah and then so they have their conversation and then we have this moment now what was so great about this was a lot of different things obviously if you're a fan of the Netflix series you knew right away like oh they're doing a hallway scene yeah and if you paid attention they play the dare double theme yeah for just like uh just for us for a for a bit.

Just a couple keys. Just for a couple keys. And you know, like, okay, here we go. And he does this thing. And it was an homage to it. It was a respect to it. I thought it was a classy move for them. They're saying, like, because there's been all this talk about, like, well, it's

completely different. But they paid respect to they knew the fan base of it. Obviously, he's in the damn show. Yeah. So I thought that the way that they handled this particular moment was done very well because you gave Daredevil that time to shine, but you still gave Shehulk her moment when she comes crashing in, not. through those other people and then they team up and they go,

all right, let's go, let's go do the thing. I think the highlight for me, as good as this episode was, and it really was, I think the highlight was finally seeing what this big plot was to kind of take her down. To know what worries me though, because this has happened multiple times with these Marvel shows. They wait for this twist to happen in the penultimate episode. So then when we get to the other one, I feel rushed

that we're just resolving everything. So I am a little nervous, I'll be honest. I would have preferred this happening in episode prior so we have some time to digest what the big problem is and go into it. I hope it's a long finale. I hope so too. If they at least do that, that would help alleviate some of my stress. But the fact that, like, it has, they have spent a lot of time, actually, that the main villain has been exactly what's been happening to the show the whole time.

Yeah. So all the people that were so anti-MCU, all that kind of stuff. It's like, and now they're out here taking, like, illegal sex tapes and trying to, like, painterism. So let's talk about that. So they rescue the designer from the, from frog face. And they, they, they, it's, I like that moment where she picks up frogger. He's like, that's vintage throws on the floor. Has to what I'm going back to what we were just talking about, the kind of questions that you would ask.

He's given all these facts. Daredevil's given all these facts about law. And the guy goes, wait, is the devil guy a lawyer too? Yeah. Just to make fit. And he's like, no, procedural shows or whatever. Yeah. It was hilarious.

It was great because that's what I would ask. I'm like, wait, is that, who is that guy? Yeah. And so they did that. But then, as we mentioned, the designer, he's like, I'm not a monster. I'll make you the gal, the design or the dress, whatever. And then the friend comes in, she addresses the camera and says, what would you, what do we have still more of more to do?

Because let's not forget about the fact that they do the deed. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The walk and shake. The walk of the suit in the suit, because that's the only closing to have. Oh my God. The boots off. And that she ran, Nikki ran into him and like, ah.

And the long shot of him walking away. That comedy shot was genius. That worked. And again, the balance of the episode, right? And I think that for people that are probably still bummed about it, I probably think that they've been beaten down by the other episodes. You know, there were some people that are just going to be pissed off about it to be pissed off about it. But I do think that fair enough that you're going to be like a little too late, you know, too little too late. And I was feeling that at the beginning of the episode. And I'm like, all right.

And then it got me because they represented the character well, and then they're dynamic. I really want to rewatch this episode, and that's the first time I've thought that. I'm probably going to rewatch this one within the week before the finale. And I haven't felt that about She-Holt. So the finale, though, is what we're, so we get to the guy. They bring back her parents, which is glad they get to see cousin Larry, again. He shows up from Perfect Strangers. I kept saying Stranger Things originally, different shows.

So, and then, but then, but wait, but real quick, though, the thing that they do, So, when they start, hold on, real quick. So when they start right away and they go into this whole thing where they, where the awards are happening. Yeah. And it's like, and she stands up and she's excited. And then they started announcing. All the way on. Bro, the fact that it was female lawyer the year.

And then there was all the women. And there was all the women lawyers. And what is it like to be a female lawyer? Well, kind of like being a lawyer or follow up half the, which is a comment, twice as hard. Twice as hard, half the result, which is something that black people are told all the time. Like, we're told that as kids, you've got to work twice as hard for people to notice your, so that resonated true. And then for it to finally, like, the big reveal is in the middle of her being like,

I don't think my mom, I don't think my dad, all my colleagues, everybody that's, oh, what the hell? And then it starts and the hack happens. And when that hack happens and you're like, you feel dirty because it's like this violation of her entire life. And it's genuinely uncomfortable. The way they shout it was really. Yes. And she plays it well, though, too, where she's like, can we show? shut this off, please?

Yeah. And then they, and then the rage Hulk comes out. Now, this is the question I have for both of you guys because she teases inside before the gala happens

or before the awards happen. She says, she mentions Red Hulk, which is the first time we've kind of got an official mention, I think, of Red Hulk, right?

So she mentions Red Hulk. And then they kind of tease something at the end when she's getting all pissed off and she's looking around for the ones who are looking. The red flash starts to happen and the red is on her.

I'm wondering. I hope that doesn't mean she's Red Hulk, right? Like, how does that... Who is Red Hulk in the comics? Thunderbolt Ross. No, no, no, no. Well, Red Hulk,

Red Hulk is Thunderbolt Ross. Red Shehulk is Betty? No, Betty's a different... Betty's a, like a demon. She's got wings. But she's red. There is a red she Hulk. Yes.

It is not as common. But I can't imagine they would... I don't think she'd name drop it and then also become it. I'm hoping it's just foreshadowing. Foreshadowing. Because Thunderbolt, I think, is going to use Red Hulk.

I think that's probably, Yeah, what it is. But so she goes in there, I still don't understand why. So the cops are all, they're going after her. She picks up that dude. She's got him. And then her friend's like, Jen, Jen, don't. Why not just hold him and go, you know, to jail with him?

I think she's, I think just that she's unchecked rage right now. She's not thinking logically. Also, maybe she was saying like, you know, you drop the gun. You're trying to show you're not going to. heard him more, like, you know, to avoid further escalation. But it's exactly what Bruce told her. You, he warned her about this and she was like, I got it, I got it, like back off. You don't get it.

Like, everybody loves me like this. He goes, you will not understand until the world sees you like a monster. And you cannot put that genie back in the bottle. Like, he warned her that this was coming. And you could see the realization on her face as the rage was still there, but starting to subside that the guns in her face. It was. It was.

It was. It was. It was. It was. It was. It was. That last shot with the. foreground shot? That's it straight out of a comic panel.

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There have been times Betty Ross has been read Hulk, but she is more commonly read as Harpy, which is another gamma-radated character. Did you watch last week's episode? It's okay if you say no. Of the show? I haven't. This show. What craft did I get for not being here?

I was with my family. No, it's what you just did. Oh, what I did. I said to Winston, I said, Koi is one of the most knowledgeable people in comic books that you'll ever meet. But one of the things, and you know me, I've never, I've always said the same things I'd say

as I'm saying to right now. Many times have you gone, and you sell it like you wrote it. And you can say, you know, absolutely no. Betty Ross has never once even been considered. Never happened. Never get his face while you can't. Never happened.

Never happened. Not a once. Not a once did it ever happen. Spider-Man has been green since the day he was put on comic books, and his real name was Ralph and Stanley's first. And Ditko made up person. And you'd be like, that's all true. Retraction, Your Honor.

And then you look and you're like, none of that was real. But then two days later, you'll say the same thing. You're like, all right, he probably just made all that up. And it's fact. I will own it when I know it, though. And I feel like most nerds that say, thing with blind confidence will never print the retraction. I will print

the retraction and give credit. I will also give, that's the one thing I wanted to give you credit for is that you didn't go so I looked it up myself. I know, he goes to Winston one right. I accessed my memory banks. They were delayed and I was correct. No, 100% he always owns up to

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Granger for the ones who get it done. So I agree with you guys that this kind of has to be a longer finale. At least you think, maybe not. I don't know how you wrap this in 30 minutes. How do you wrap it in 30 minutes? That's what I'm saying. How do you wrap that in 30 minutes? You got to deal with her dealing with what I'm assuming was damage control.

It might have been Ross's people, but it looked like damage control. You got to deal with whoever Hulk King is. You got to deal with the fallout of all this. I do not understand how you finish it in 30 minutes. I assume the leader. I would also assume the leader. that seems like the most logical place. Also, Todd Phillips.

Can you explain the leader? The leader is Tim Blake Nelson from the Incredible Hulk movie who was announced for Captain America 4, implying he'd be here. He's also someone that would logically be seeking out her blood, which seems like a thing.

So we need Tim Blake Nelson's reintroduction, which can't be quick. Yeah, yeah, I mean, obviously he was obsessed with the Hulk's blood before in The Incredible Hulk. And then if you remember at the end, when Hulk freaks out and then ultimately goes to fight abomination,

he destroys the lab and that blood is right so that the character so it will make his head go ginormous like the biggest head like a cone head yeah and green and he is like it's so interesting that he's not considered the smartest person on the planet for that reason because i would actually i would argue gamma powered intelligence that he's not smarter than reader doom but go figure well speaking of doom no real quick because i think that um it's not something you came up with is something you had hurt, but with thing. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it was just a rumor going around. Oh, that'd be a crazy finale. Yeah. I mean, that'd be a way to cop it up big.

Yeah. Noted green characters. The other thing I did get confirmation of that I was sniffing around and wanted to see for sure, and I think most people know this. But we kept asking that question about X-Men and saying, okay, what is this deal that Marvel can do? What can't they do? Yeah. Right. And so the obvious with Deadpool being in Wolverine now being in Deadpool Of course that's the week I missed by the way It does not go without notice that the world conspired again

The thing I've waited more most in my life is this announcement Are you guys familiar with the way that this Disney Fox deal works Because I didn't know until recently You were you were saying it last week But is it different than what you were describing? No I think I was pretty I had I had thought that what I brought to you And then I wanted to confirm that

And it pretty much is confirmed And what that is that they can use Wolverine They can use Magnino. They can use Professor X, but they got to use Fastbender or Ian or... So the only thing that's weird about that with Jackman, though, is Jackman, if you remember, was done. He's like, I'm out. I don't want to do this anymore. So, like, that's the only contract to me that seems weird that that...

Doesn't mean that it wasn't in his contract in general that he's... Or Fox's contracts. Right. It doesn't mean that he could very well been out, but it doesn't mean that it doesn't say that if any movies are made with Wolverine in it at all, it's got to be Hugh. No, no, but I, but I get what you're saying, but I'm surprised. Why would you want to do it? Well, it's not that.

I guarantee you, like, because he, it sounds like an even just, right then and there, he's like the idea to be in the MCU. I mean, that's cool. And Ryan Reynolds also, and Sean Leamy, like they are all friends. Right. And I feel like that was the final. Steeleel and everything. So that I all understand.

I'm not knocking those reasons why he would want to do it. But I'm saying, I'm surprised that of all the characters that, it's the only contract I would have been like, well, why wasn't this one different than the others? Because he said, I'm done. That's what I'm saying. You can say you're done. If you, like, if I have a contract with Koi and it's like, basic. But if I said, okay, okay, Koi.

So you are contracted that if I, if we make any, I don't know, the redheaded super can. If we make any redded super can up until whenever, whenever that, whenever, up until 2025, if we make them, you have to be in them. You're like, okay, but I'm done. I don't want to make any more after this. Like, okay, fine. We're not going to make any more. And your contract goes. If I sell it, it goes.

I'm like, if you want to make another Super Cam movie, you've got to talk to Koi. Right. He's the guy until this time. You can't recast them. You can't recast them. So even though, even though Koi said he's, just I'm going to remind you.

Yeah. I said he's not, he doesn't want to play Super Canyon. But it's my right to come back. It's your right. Well, that's what I think it is at Cox. No, no, no. I guess I guess I get that. I guess just, if I remember correctly,

around when those recastings were happening around like first class and whatnot. He was, he had already kind of expressed. I got like maybe one more of these in me. Right. I don't want to keep eating nothing but chicken and bread. So I'm just surprised that his contract was set up the same as everybody else's because you would just done all those new contracts for those players. I think it was more about the merger.

I think Fox said when Disney acquired them. I think Fox said any character we've already had. You think that Fox did this. I know what he's saying also. What Winston is saying is that like even back, then if they have all these deals together, if they have all these deals in general together, why are they all the same as opposed to, you know, Hugh just signing up for two more movies and that's it. Yeah. That's what I mean. I think that he's, I don't think it's been individual at any point.

I think Fox said, okay, we're going to, we're going to merge, but there's a statute of five years or whatever it was, four years. And the actors might have stuff built in there as well, too, even if it was those two years, this could still be one of those things. And also might be an anti-monopoly clause. Yeah, but it could also been the thing with Hugh Jackman where he's like, even in 2000 and, was it 14 when they did days of future past. And he's like, this is the last one I want to do for a little bit. Sorry, but we can't make any more. We can't put Wolverine in it unless you're in it. Yeah. And that's what your contract states. So, you know, if we want to do it, we got to come back to you. So they, I don't think they would recast him. Yeah. And I've seen a decent amount of kickback whenever I've

mentioned that 2025 thing, but it seems logical to me and it seems to be the case. That is the case. Yeah. And that perfectly lines up because if you look at the date, look at the schedule, right? We've got Fantastic Fours right after Deadpool. You're getting X-Men until like 2027. what I'm thinking is is how do you end 2024? What better way than kill everything off with Deadpool and then go right in a Fantastic 4. Launch the Fox stuff with the Fantastic 4. Set it all up for that to be what's to come.

And then Secret Orrs, I think they come in in like Secret Wars era. You could cast the X-Men and you can't cast it or put anything on paper until 2020. Right. So you just start sprinkling after Fantastic 4. So when you cast, you cast quick. Right. In 2025.

You have people in mind. You start peppering people in. And I think, what are we, do we face six is what it ends? Phase 6 starts with Deadpool. I think Phase 7 is the phase of X-Men. Yeah. I think Deadpool ends it. I don't think Deadpool starts a thing.

I think it ends a thing. I think phase seven is going to star the X-Men. And I think it's Deadpool. I mean, this is my pipe dream, but I think it's Deadpool kills the Fox universe. I think Deadpool comes back in and eliminates that whole world. I think you bring the X-Men and have one last ride. I think Deadpool three is Hugh Jackman and Deadpool taking out Fox,

and then you have Chris Evans comes back as Human Torch. Michael B. Jordan's back as Human Torch. Ghost Rider is Nick Cage. you take it all out. And then that way you've got that giant melee. Because it's based on the best-selling comic in Marvel for Deadpool as Deadpool kills the Marvel universe. What better way than a fourth wall-breaking character?

And that way, he can stay and swear. Because he'd be knowing he's from another universe. So we bleep him in the Marvel movies, but when he's in his own head, in the Deadpool movies, he's R-rated. That's what I'd do. It's not a bad plan. I just, it seems weird to wait till 27,

but I'll tell you what would probably be happening right now. I don't think, I think some of those talks are happening. we just talked about how what Holland said, he was auditioning for a year for Peter. The truth is they're probably, if they haven't, they're already on that process. Taking some meetings.

They're probably saying meetings for sure. And that audition process is probably starting mid next year. But look, to be ready for 2025. But 2027 isn't weird because if you sign somebody in 2025, what are you going to make a movie in 2026? Yeah, he can't do it with that. You got to get cooked.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got a two-year minimum. That's it. I mean, unless it's going to be a rushed piece of garbage. And we want it to be like, you know, on TV, we want this to be long form. We want to earn these characters. And that's why I think it's going to be a big whole phase. I'm glad they're bringing back, what is it, X-Men 98.

Is that what they're calling it? I'm glad they're bringing that back. I think it's going to be great. But I think that, and we may have already discussed this, the reason they're doing that is once they realized the pickle they were in of we can't use these characters right now. It's a good gateway. That's not the case with animation. Right.

So they probably said, okay, we do need to give them X-Men because if there's no X-Men property out there just for the next few years, people are going to revolve. So that's something to get people into it until you can get them in live action. But that's also why I think this Wolverine is the big appetizer when they lock. Because he represents Fox.

Like when you think of X-Men, you think of Hugh Jackman's Wolverine. And look, don't forget, we got Professor X. He was the first one. And I think that we're going to get more of those people. I think especially in the multiverse, that's the beauty of the multiverse. It's the fact they go, okay, look, we got the multiverse. Let's bring in the Fox X-Men. We have it.

We're going to have Jennifer Lawrence come in for a, you know, for a scene. Why not? Kill them in Deadpool. But I think they last past it. Yeah, because I think that. Secret Wars, you want to have those characters. I think Secret Wars you're going to have so much. I think that's how you do it.

No way home times a thousand. You kill them in Secret Wars. Oh, yeah. I think you killed that whole universe. You don't do it in the Deadpool movie. You do it in Secret Wars, especially if you're talking about the more recent iteration where all of these incursion events.

Encourgens events are happening. Then it's easy to have... Because when that's dropping, you could have already have cast and put those people in it. So if you want to introduce your new storm, you can then have her paired up with either ship or Barry. I don't know which one is considered the canon right now, but you put one of the two of them in there,

and then that one, if this is it, the ship... But you can't, though. You can't, because you can't have any new X-Men in the Secret Wars. What years is that? The Secret Wars is 2025. Oh. You said it's 20-25 is when you're allowed to do it, right?

So maybe you could cast. Yeah, and then you have a scene. I guess you're right. I guess you could. I guess you just don't have a movie. You're probably right. I think now that you hear, you know, you probably could absolutely, if that's the case, if you can cast and you're taking those meetings, you announce it there.

You announce it with the movie. And that's how you then shoot into the next couple years. If they do that, then that's bigger than a venue. If they do that, I hope that they don't do what they did with multiverse and give away the farm that the Illuminati's in it. Yeah, do not show us the X-Men until we're in the theater and have us lose our minds. Wait until I see like Alexander Ship Land, and then whoever's playing Storm next to land to go, oh my God, that's the whole storm, that's the new store. Oh my God, like let me have that moment. Don't you dare show me the third act in the trailer.

Well, minus a 5 a.m. stone thing that most of the, most of the. people not spoiled from from daredevil right like i need a really good lawyer yeah it was for daredevil it was it was the same thing like they they they i didn't watch i didn't watch the thing that they just posted i mean i don't need to see it i'm like i get that he's he's coming back good we know he's coming that's why i didn't feel bad tweeting about it i usually am like i waited a day for spoilers but i'm literally like guys everyone knows everybody knew about it i put it on the thumbnail and everybody knew it was coming so i was like yeah if somebody complains about us like you just haven't been paying attention at this point it's like you knew he was coming back

And like I would, and when I was watching that scene, when he shows up, I'm like, how much more effective would have been? If we had never known. If you were, if everybody felt 5 a.m. stoned. The dream. But if everybody felt that way, and you're looking, you're looking like, surprise. Because going like, oh, it was, it was almost like that moment when Luke shows up, you know, not, that wouldn't have been that big. But, but the way that I felt when I was watching, I remember being in my kitchen when Luke shows up in the Mandalorian. Right.

And the X-wing shows, I knew, it was a lot of people didn't know right away. I knew right away. I'm like, oh, they're doing it. Yeah. Doing it. And then the same thing, like when, even if you were to start to figure now and putting two to two together, are they kind of bring in murder? Are they actually?

Yeah, the bill. Because then all that suspense. Right. I get why they put it in the marketing. I wish they hadn't. Like, because I get, I get, they needed to sell the show and I get, but, and I get a lot of the jokes where we're playing on our expectations. That's why I think they did it.

Like a lot of the fourth wall breaks were at our expense. I know. But, man, what a moment that would have been. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, y'all just need to wake up at 5 a.m. that stomach and then you're just like, change your whole experience. Now, before we wrap, we've got to talk about, I mean,

one of the next Daredevil's biggest news of the week, my boy, my show, my comic. No, I know. We ain't rapping yet. I'm bringing it up. Let me find it first before I do that. Because as, as Coy said, Boom Comics has the berserker.

Such a good guy. And Coy was able to moderate that panel at Comic-Con. First comic book on Hall H's stage in the world. Yes. And so, Canter Reeves is now considering directing his Berser Comics movie adaptation. This was something that kind of came out of nowhere.

He isn't really directed much. At least anything, I don't want to say as of note, but I don't remember him directing anything. Canter Reeves, this is from comicbook movie.com, canner Reeves says that depending on how things go, there is a distinct possibility that he will end up directing Berserker. The upcoming live action feature film based on his comic book series of the same name in which he has set to store.

During an interview with Collider, Reeves discussed Netflix's film adaptation of The Zerker, the script for which was recently completed by Matt Stonleman. I'm going to take this fly and I'm going to... I got it yesterday or two days ago. I haven't read it, Reeves, said. The actor said it's still a little bit too early days to consider a director through, though confessed that he's considered himself helming the film himself. In fact, according to Reeves, there's currently a 33% chance that he will direct Preserker.

Is that it? There's a little more about the, yeah, the man of touch, he, the other thing he directed. Oh, okay. So, I can personally attest, having talked to the entire Preserker team, that he has been so, so hands-on in love with this project that I love the idea of it because the reason this comic is so specifically Keanu is there's not been a part of it he hasn't touched. And talking to Matz and Tomlin, who's a giant Keanu Reeves fan, which is funny because he's apparently a self-proclaimed Matrix, Millennial. He's seen The Matrix more than a thousand times. Oh, wow. So, like, he's that Keanu guy. And then Matt Kent, who works really close with Keanu in the writing of the comic process.

And Ron Garnie is the artist in the comic who directly works with Keanu sometimes, like, they go frame by frame with the art and things. So he, I've seen many comic books have collaborators that are kind of like, I'll sign it, or collaborators that are like, you can use my name on it. Kianu is not a name only producer. He is literally every step of the comic book to the point where when we were prepping. the panel, he wanted to make sure there was a certain amount of time for this, certain amount of time for this, certain amount of time for this, and those were Keanu's notes.

That's cool. So he even cared about what I was doing regarding how the comic was presented, and the reason I got picked to do the job was Keanu had heard how much I loved the book, and he wanted someone that was in love with the book, so that that expression of the comic was authentic, not like this is Keanu Reeves and friends.

It was a berserker panel. So what was really cool about the experience was Keanu Reeves stayed hands-on even through the pre-production of a panel. And so when he's doing things like these announcements, he wants to control the narrative that all of his collaborators are with him. He was, I mean, everyone knows how great Keanu Reeves is, but he basically made sure that when we were on the panel, we knew that Matt Kent was the writer. We knew that Matt and Tom was running it. And it didn't become the talk about John Wick Show.

It didn't become any of those things. So I think him directing it will keep the integrity of it isn't just another Keanu Reeves action star. It's this baby that came from his mind all these years ago because he brought it to Boom as. like, hey, I've got this story. I don't know what to do with it. And they're like, let's make a comic together. And he's like, oh. So I just, I love this.

I think there's a reason why we've had our Kiannaissance. Yeah. Like it started, what, about five years ago? Well, he keeps having him. He, he, he never, but no. Every decade. He starts out. He pops big as a massive star, right?

Whether it's the comedy with Bill and Ted. Right. And then action with speed. And it's like, oh, well, Keanu was great back in the day. And then, oh, he's the best. And then he takes a little bit of a break. And then, and not break. but, you know, the level, to be able to do what he's done.

Absolutely. And so Josh Harwitz, by the way, did an interview with Matt Smith. Okay. Recently. And Matt Smith started to, he plays this game with his friend. It's called actor or movie star. And he brings that, and Josh brings up Canter Reeves because he talks about, I guess that he. He watched it on the plane.

Kianu was watching Morbius. Morbius on the plane. It was morbid time. Yeah, because Josh told him that he's playing. And Matt Smith was like, oh my God, he's like, I'm such a canter. And he asked him, you know, play movie star or, and so Josh goes, okay, Canter Reeves, movie star actor. He's like, movie star. Absolutely.

And he is a major movie star. And you look, it is hard to navigate stardom for that long. They were very few. Him and Tom Cruise, man. Who? Honestly, I'd say those two. Who's that? Oh, I'm not, Seths of Ross.

Sorry. The top gun guy. The top gun guy. That's why we need that sound by it. What? The top gun guy is for people don't know what we're talking about. I'm sure you check out to counsel from Wednesday. But anyway, so yeah, but it's hard to navigate.

And the way you navigate successfully, that is very hard to do, is you go up, you go down, you go up, you go down, and you go up. And he's, and then he did it with John Wick. It came back again. And he's continued. Constantine, yes. Well, it was, it was John Wick and then at the same time he also. John Vic. What, God, there was another major movie he was in, but then there was also always be my maybe.

Which was so then he was hilarious in. And what's really fascinating is how much he, I hate to say, a lot of people don't care, but how much he cares about his career. Like, he's so invested in each project being the right thing. And his whole team is so loving. And it's like, you hear all about Keanu Reeves, the man being great. But his entire team is that. Like, there's a reason he's cultivated.

But there's a reason why you're all so great is because you surround yourself with good people. Now, what he's also done very well is I think that with him, like when he started out and whether it's Ram Stoker or two, you never looked at him like, well, that's a Thespian. Sure. Right. What you have God is he's beloved. He is beloved. Deservedly.

Deservedly. Even if you don't think that he is like the best actor in the world, you sure like to watch him. Dude, it was, I remember it was that 2019 year he had John Wick 3. He had always be maybe he had Toy Story 4. Oh, that's right.

Duke Caboom! It was all of those at the same time. He just voiced Batman. Yeah, yeah. And he's so good. He's super pets. And you know, so that's the Keanu side of Berserker, right? But on the, on the boom side, Boom is a studio who are blowing up

in a way that I've never quite seen. like we we know boom in the comic book world like boom is is regarded so highly and then this san diego comic con they had one of the biggest booths they were constantly able to to move merch and books that like people were discovering on the day when you got a comic on you don't like always find a book and it moves throughout the day usually it's like oh spider man selling it i'll pick up this other thing berserker was something that i saw hundreds of hoodies hundreds of t-shirts and it was able to move because boom is so hands on and what i discovered like i met a lot of them down at san diego So every part of that team is a collaborator.

Like we've talked about, you know, going to certain studios, film, journalism, whatever. A lot of times those cubicles are giant walls. Like you go to some studios and you're like, these people don't like together. And they don't want to let anyone in. Boom was the opposite. Everyone was a collaborator and everyone was super hands on. Well, you can tell it is a good passion project behind it and they really care about it. And I think that.

And it's, well, it's exciting in general to have the, him doing that because people, you see what he does, whether it's if you go back and you watch the behind, seen stuff from Matrix. Yeah. You go and you watch to John Wick's stuff. This is a guy who is a perfectionist in the best way possible, obviously, and wants to get the best out of his product, especially if it's something that is hits and that he loves.

So this is a big, fun, long way about saying, should he direct the movie? I think the answer is yes. I think he should. But it's also, if he doesn't feel like, if he feels like he's got to put more into the behind the scenes, the, you know, the producing of it, the starring, all that stuff, if he feels that it's too much for him, then I don't want him to do it. And I feel like he would know, he would step away. I feel like he would trust his instincts.

I think he would. I think I would prefer him to, because that is a lot, and this is his baby. I would almost prefer him to obviously star in it, maybe have some hand in the writing, and be more of a producer and let somebody else handle the director's side of things instead of trying to wear every single hat. Unless he, unless he thinks that this is his thing. This is his thing. Look, other people have done it too. Say what you will about.

Affleck, man. Say what you will about Mel Gibson. Braveheart's a fantastic movie. And brave, and he did all of that. Yeah. He did all of it. I always think Affleck as like the guy, because it was tiny, tiny, tiny.

Don't let go, you know, hunting down the part. But I worked at Affleck in Argo. I was an actor on Argo. And it was funny because I was playing a second unit director in the movie of the fake movie. So I was working on the John Goodman fake movie in the movie. So I was already playing a fake director, but Ben Affleck was the real director,

but also acting the movie. And just watching it. But he literally had, hat he put on when he was directing. So he literally was a guy of many hats. So you'd know if Ben was in directing mode or acting mode, he would literally like transition. But it was fascinating to see,

and obviously my hero, I'm from Boston and Ben Affleck is the guy that got out, him and Matt. But to see him like transition, think through, have conversations. Okay, now I'm back in the scene and go and frame it. And he'd have to like literally see it. But I think that's why those movies that he makes are so personal because they feel personal because they are personal.

And the way Keanu Reeves is with Preserker and the way the boom is with berserker, I would want someone that is in love at the project to the level that they all are. Look up Ron Garnie's art. Ron Garnie is one of the greats of all time, one of the best Captain America artists, one of the best Spider-Man artist who's the back in black run.

He's the artist on Berserker, and the integrity of the grit and the malice and the energy is basically what makes this book sing. So I'd want a director that loves the visuals that Ron Garnie brings, and there's no one like that, but Keanu, so I really, guys, this is going to be this in Deadpool, today's the day. I just don't stop talking about these two,

projects. I had a great transition out of that, but he cut me off. I was just going to laugh where next week we find out that the artist that actually did it was Brett. It wasn't this dude that he mentioned it all, Brett is actually the artist. The Flurter and Flaus was behind it. Hello, Stinko. All right, everybody. Thank you so much for joining us. It's a fun episode of Capes and Cals.

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