The Kristian Harloff Show - DISASTER?! The Acolyte cost 230 Million! WHERE did that money go?

Episode Date: September 30, 2024

A new report has come out revealing that The Acolyte, the latest Star Wars series, cost a staggering $230 million to produce—$30 million more than the rumored $200M! How did this happen, and how did... anyone let this budget soar to such heights? Join Kristian Harloff as he dives into the shocking news about The Acolyte, Leslye Headland's new project under Kathleen Kennedy and Disney Star Wars. We break down what this means for Lucasfilm, Disney Plus, and the future of Star Wars, including The Acolyte Season 2 being canceled. We'll also discuss the legacy of Kris Kristofferson and John Ashton, who sadly passed away. Plus, the latest box office news with Wild Robot leading the charge, while Coppola's Megalopolis struggles. All this and more with Kristian Harloff and John Rocha on this live episode of The Kristian Harloff Show. Don't miss out on the hottest Star Wars news, updates on the Mandalorian, Disney news, and the ever-evolving landscape of Star Wars under the guidance of George Lucas's successor, Dave Filoni. Find out now! #starwars #budgets #acolyte #disney #movies #theacolyte #kathleenkennedy #davefiloni #disneyplus #starwarsnews #lucasfilm OUR SPONSORS BILT: http://www.joinbilt.com/BIGTHING   LIQUIDIV: GET 20 PERCENT OFF http://www.LiquidIV.com CODE: BIGTHING

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Starting point is 00:01:08 How does that happen? How does that happen? Where do the money go? I'm going to tell you we started late because it was my fault, but I would be lying. It's John's fault. I can definitely say that with no problem. So we got myself, we got John Roka, we got the live showing a lot of things to talk about here today. Let's get into it, man.
Starting point is 00:01:27 It's me and Roka. Here we go. What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the live show. It is myself, Christian Harlov, on the Christian Harlow show, with John the Outlaw, Rokka. How was the weekend? It wasn't your fault? Listen, it wasn't my fault.
Starting point is 00:01:52 Oh, no. I don't know what the lies you're trying to tell you. Whose fault was it? I don't know his fault it was. Just blame it on Vogel. I blame it on the guy who can't understand technology. That's why I blame. I believe it on Brett, leaving you in this position.
Starting point is 00:02:06 That's why I believe. Please, I get this stuff. I've been doing this stuff like. juggling 87 plates on two feet. So we have this week, John Rugga has been crushing it this week, or the last couple weeks, last couple weeks. With, I think last week he had around 73 questions I came in,
Starting point is 00:02:23 but Mike and staff came in, swooped him at the end. But still, John starts off strong already at 17 questions. Before you start going. 17, that's it. That's what you have. You, the motherfucker, 17. Don't, don't yell it. Don't yell it.
Starting point is 00:02:37 17 to start is wonderful. All right. What did they get last week? 82. Winston holds the record at 106 or something. Yeah, but you guys were talking about something really big. No, but it doesn't look. It resets week to week.
Starting point is 00:02:51 So this is the, this we have today. It's so funny because one of our loyal viewers, Mike Joyce, he was like, I love him too. But he was like, don't you get tired? There's no disrespect. Don't you get tired shit on the acclady? I go, first of all, this is the story that broke. I didn't write the story and I also didn't, I'm not also the one who spent $230 million on a show. This is what we talk about on the show.
Starting point is 00:03:17 And the thing is, and I also said, look, look, when is this story going to go away? When the story goes away, and I just keep milking it, but the story just keeps popping back up. And over and I didn't write this on the, I go to Dark Horizons, check out the stories. And this was one of the big stories. And it is another big story continuously because it also ties into something from, you know, the other day when it comes to like the Agatha, right? Yeah. Agatha was reported.
Starting point is 00:03:44 I thought initially we reported this on, well, we were reading it about on capes and cows, about how I thought that the Disney was happy with the ratings. They released the ratings, but people pointed out globally, not the best for what they did ratings. Ratings weren't that great on Agatha. But here's the difference is what I think from what is another report. Agatha is apparently like the lowest budget for all. all the Marvel shows thus far.
Starting point is 00:04:11 So in what kind of return did they want for the 9.3 million, whatever they had, as opposed to getting 11 point on a show that costs $230 million for Agole. So there's a big huge difference. Because you know, you get these, the toothless stink breaths that type and go, hey, hey, Shill, you're saying that Agatha had good reviews. I'm like, hey, dirt ass, if you saw, I thought the show is the show is aimed toward, not even aimed towards me. And I was, I'm enjoying it for what it is.
Starting point is 00:04:42 But it's like, I'm also, they put the numbers out. They said, it did well. I said, okay, it did well. And then they look at it. Globally, not the best, but then you put it up next to the actual, what it cost. And it was, before we get into the acolyte, what do you think about the, the, the, reports on Agatha? Oh, the, which part, though?
Starting point is 00:05:04 They said that the review, when they, when they, not at the review bombing, but when they said that the ratings itself came out and they said it, it, was, they were happy with the, with the, they blasted out that Disney announced. Yeah. Agatha had, I guess, nine point something for its first, which is under what Ackleid had on, I guess it's season premiere, but it's like, if you look at globally, the numbers aren't great. They're, they're okay.
Starting point is 00:05:26 And maybe not even, but okay when you consider that it had a low budget, right? Yes. Um, if it had a $230 million dollar budget, nine million or 11 million, not great at all. So, but I, from what I went in the report, I looked and I thought that they were like boasting that ended up being numbered. And it was wrong. So, but either way, what do you think about the Agatha stuff? Yeah, I mean, I'm not surprised it's not doing that well internationally. I mean, it's kind of a provincial story here.
Starting point is 00:05:57 And so I'm not surprised that like globally people aren't going like, oh, I got to see what's going on with the witches. Right. I didn't think. And even Catherine Haun said this in an interview, I think, with Seth Myers on his show. she said she had no idea they were going to continue this character. Like she was doing it and thought it was a great role and fun to do, but she had no idea they were continuing it, because even she saw that it was a character that she necessarily thought people were going to be gravitating to in the millions
Starting point is 00:06:22 and really want to see more from. So it was just so the fact that it's doing better in America makes more sense to me than globally because it's one of these characters that's very clearly from the comics. People didn't know it before they saw it on, most people didn't know it before they saw it on One Division. those of us who are combo readers obviously know Agatha Harckbusters is a big deal but like didn't know so it's not a surprise to me that it isn't doing that well internationally
Starting point is 00:06:45 it's not an internationally known character so and even in Wanda Vision yes she was a fun part of WandaVision but it was really about Wanda and Vision hence the title of the show so it's nice to spend it off and do a fun series with it and but I'm not surprised it's not catching on with
Starting point is 00:07:01 international audiences strongly as here as here I know that's what it seems there's no international actors in the in the show Yeah. Like there's no international show. Well, either way, it doesn't take away from the fact of this. The Ackleite budget was $230 million, not the 200, which everyone thought was overpriced and crazy, that they spent 200. Disney's contentious Star Wars streaming show The Ackleye reportedly surpassed its planned production budget according to a new feature in Forbes. The series was shot in the UK, and so documentation about its budget is disclosed publicly after a certain point.
Starting point is 00:07:37 The outlet indicates that the cost of the series up until partway through post-production have been revealed. The result is that the show's budget hit $230 million. At that time, around $50 million more than previously had been reported. The figure raises the per-episode cost. That's right, it was reported at $180, by the way. Yeah, not $200, $180, $1.80. That figure raises the per episode cost around $28.8 million per episode? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:03 What do they spend it on? What did they spend it on? which could be the fifth most expensive show to date behind rings of power, Citadel, Secret of Asian, and Stranger Things. As the published figures were also up to part way through post, the final figure is likely higher. The series began production in October 2022, and prior to that, Disney was forecasting it to come in on budget.
Starting point is 00:08:26 Yeah, right. That it appears to have gone over combined with soft audience numbers were likely big factors leading to the show's cancellation, likely more so than the, likely more so than the hostile online reception. The series launched to 44.8 million views on launch day and made it up to six place in this top 10th. It's a 4.8 million. Okay.
Starting point is 00:08:47 So this is why, to our good buddy, Mike Joyce, who's watching, this is why we're talking about this show. Because how in the world, first of all, reporting it at 180. I don't understand how this show balloons to $230 million. What do you? you what do you guess cost that much john what what cost that much money i mean i remember when they canceled rome on hbo because it was like six million an episode it was too much to me and they were sharing the load with a british production company and it still was too much now we're talking about
Starting point is 00:09:21 this much being spent and i don't understand and this has to be explored like we're it's not in the cg that we saw it's not in the graphics that we saw it's not in the settings that we saw it's not in the settings that we saw. It can't be in the costume budget. Where is it? Where do? I can't be where they spent money on Amandala or on Li Jung J or any of these other actors. Like this is not a there's not a wow standout like if it was Keanu I could see them spending 10 million or five million an episode on his salary, whatever like I can understand that. But yeah, this is quizzical. And again, this is not let's bash the accolite. It's more a matter of like where this is almost like the government spending $250.50.
Starting point is 00:10:01 Right. Who signed off on it? How is this possible? That's more the case. It's not a matter of like, oh, Leslie Headlin, it's all her fault. No, someone gave her the money. Someone gave her the money. Who's signing the checks? Who's, and you get, well, it's Kathleen Kennedy.
Starting point is 00:10:17 Who's given Kathleen Kennedy the money? Who's given the rest of the team? How do you say, how do you not go, wait a minute? First of all, they knew that it was a time period that they weren't, they weren't happy with. Everybody else was getting excited about it, but that's the first thing. Okay, we don't know if anybody's going to deal with this because they're not going to like it. They're not going to respond to it because it's not in the Skywalker thing.
Starting point is 00:10:37 So this is risky. Then they go, all right, well, we're going to do, was it, eight episodes or whatever it might be? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Eight episodes for $230 million. Yeah. Dude, Kenobi was like, it was way less than, I think it was like 90 million or something. Yeah, $90 million. Crazy.
Starting point is 00:10:57 And I'm like, you know, you and McGregor. Way bigger day. And you have Doroth Vader in the show. Yeah, she was a daughter in the show. Darth Vader should get you at least $150 million. And so I just don't understand, like, how any executive, no matter it's Chepeg, Iger, how do you sign off on that? This is like, this is not just, oh, because I've been talking about you, how you've got to just totally gut Lucasfilm in general. You got to bring up any executive that said, this makes sense to do.
Starting point is 00:11:27 Yeah, let's keep doing this. And the same way, this is like the Indiana Jones problem all over again. Yeah. The last Indiana Jones went to, it was like 300 plus. This is insanity. This is like total, this is negligent. This is negligent. Like how you, I think so too.
Starting point is 00:11:43 It is. 230 million. 180 was crazy. Yeah. You can make a so, another show, a five episode show for the other $50 million that wasn't reported. Yeah. You know what I mean? You totally good.
Starting point is 00:11:57 You could do four. do a miniseries for like four episodes, five episodes. Like how much did Shogun cost overall? Oh, that's a great question. I'm going to bet you overall, Shogun, the quality of Shogun, which won more awards than most shows will ever do in their five or six seasons that did it in one. Don't tell me yet. I'm going to guess that Shogun cost $160 million to make all the way through.
Starting point is 00:12:21 It did not. It was $2.50 for a 10-episode season. Okay. So two-fifty. That's already more episodes. Right. Okay. But with $250.250. It's a lot of money. An hour long, by the way. Almost an hour long, you jeep is. Yeah. You just said it right there. They're an hour long. They're not 36 minutes. So they're already.
Starting point is 00:12:42 And when I ask you, if you look at Shogun, can you see where they spent the money? Of course you do. Yeah. From the scale of it, from how big it was, from the actors, from the performances, from the layout, from everything involved. I mean, when we interviewed Nestor Carbonoli, and he was talking about how he couldn't believe the amount of people that would show up, how many people that they had in the extras. So, okay, they went grand scale on this bad boy, and guess what? It paid off because they did everything that they could to put. You saw where the money went. That's a lot of money. That's a lot of money.
Starting point is 00:13:16 But you saw where the money went, and it paid off. So, I don't know. This to me is a really, this is also adds to the price. problem of of studios in general how they overspend on a lot of things and it and granted this was also greenlit before the strikes i don't think this show would get made for this kind of budget after the strike right right right well there is i mean um if you guys want to read there's a caroline reed wrote a breakdown in the in forbes that i was just looking as you were talking about this it's super complex because they had to go through all these different things with the uk
Starting point is 00:13:52 and how certain money was spent and did they meet certain points in order to qualify for certain parts of the budget to be recompensated back to them? It's a very interesting breakdown, but it's super complex. And so the only reason it got revealed is because in the UK, they have to reveal stuff in the UK as opposed to the United States. They don't have the same laws about revealing where the cost production went. And one of the graphics breaks it down as, let's see, 300. Okay, so the way it's broken down, yeah, 33 million in total pay. 344 people were working on the production. The average pay to everybody was about 78 grand, all spread out overall, right?
Starting point is 00:14:35 That's crazy talk. That's crazy talk. Someone wrote this in the comments just down and said, so that's pretty much one episode of the Acklite is pretty much what the first Deadpool cost. Yeah. That's nuts. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:49 That's nuts. And it's like, and, and I'm also making it very clear. This has nothing to do with how we both feel about how the show came out. Right. Right. It's like, it, to me, it didn't come out very good at all, but it has nothing to do with it. It has more about, it is irresponsible to spend that kind of money on, like, look, if this show, if they, look at the example of Deadpool. Look at the example of Deadpool.
Starting point is 00:15:16 Deadpool they make for nothing. It makes hand over fist for its first run. Then you spend a little bit more money on number two. Number two makes a lot of money, and then guess what? Then you spend a lot more money on number three. Okay. So if Ackleggleck comes out in the first season, they spend $70 million on it, and it crushes in the ratings, and everyone's talking about it.
Starting point is 00:15:38 It's winning Emmys, and they're like, hey, we need about $150 for season two. And then season two destroys, wins more Emmys, kicks ass. Everyone says the best thing ever. Hey, guess what? This is one of the most popular shows we've ever done for Star Wars. We need $2.50 for the third season. $250, that's a lot. That's $20 million more than what they spent on an unproven first season.
Starting point is 00:15:58 That's crazy talk. I cannot believe it. Yeah. I can't believe it. They clearly must have thought that this was going to be a massive hit. Right? I mean, to spend this much money on it. You have to have thought of all.
Starting point is 00:16:13 Slam dunk. Slamed dunk. That's what they thought. They must have thought it was a slam dunk. That also, that's another reason. If they thought that this was going to be a slam dunk, that is why the regime must change. Because they're living in a different reality.
Starting point is 00:16:27 Yeah. Like if they walk in the next thing, I don't know what happened. Yeah. It's also the people surrounding them going, you guys knew this was going to happen. You knew it. And you didn't say anything. And you weren't able to make, and if you did,
Starting point is 00:16:40 and you did say something, no one's listening to you, then you need another job and go somewhere else. in this economy. Right. Imagine if you're like, oh, guys, hands up. Yeah, I don't think this is going to do well. I saw the first episode, this and that.
Starting point is 00:16:54 I don't think we should spend the money on this. The script's not that good because this, this, this and this. No, we're not listening to you. And then nails everything. You're like, no one listening. Every day I walked in, I said everything that was wrong with the show and no one listened to me. Go somewhere else because your talents are not wanted there. I can't believe it, dude.
Starting point is 00:17:13 This is, when I heard that story, when I heard that story, I was just like, I can't believe it. Like what, like the amount of money that they spent on that show, it's, it's, it just adds to it. Star Wars is a nightmare. Yeah. Someone got, I always think, look, and because I've got a little bit of a conspiracy brain, I always think there are people in these studios who greenlight certain projects and money gets spent in a certain way that benefits certain people at the studio. Like, that's the way I always look at these things.
Starting point is 00:17:41 when you see these exorbitant budgets for these things, I always wonder who is working out some kind of back-end deal to lie in their pockets even more with a situation like this. So I don't know. I'm not accusing anybody. No, I know. It's true. Always have that question.
Starting point is 00:17:56 Someone said this in the comments. Someone said in the comments, proof that Disney messed up the Star Wars. No. No. Did they have, are they partially to blame? Yes,
Starting point is 00:18:07 because they're the ones that are writing those checks and allowing people to run wild. Let me ask you that question, that person that wrote that. Do you also give them the credit for Deadpool and Wolverine making all the money that they did? They're behind that. Do you also give them the credit for Avatar 2 making all the money? They were behind that. So you can't do that.
Starting point is 00:18:28 This is why Disney ruined it. No. The people who are the production company, which is Lucasfilm, the executives that are making the decisions, they are to blame. Disney's to blame for writing that check and giving their notes or whatever they're doing. but the production company is the first one to blame. As I said, do they have some blame? Yes. But when people go, well, this is what happens under Disney Star Wars.
Starting point is 00:18:47 Well, Disney also did Endgame. Disney also did Infinity War. Disney also did tons of movies that made a lot of people happy. Rogue One made a billion dollars. Tons. So, yeah, it's in there. And well, in that argument, too, the executives that I'm complaining about right now also made that. But they just, that was the one.
Starting point is 00:19:05 That was the one that I think worked and got better. but yeah it's it is it's sloppy to say the least sloppy to say the least anyway what do you guys say man put your comments in there tell us you hear this man 180 goes to 230 that's brutal brutal so put your comments in there tell us what you think about this whether it is in the live chat right now you're throwing in a super chat
Starting point is 00:19:33 whether you're watching in the replay gotta get the conversation about what you think is this has nothing to do of whether or not you like the show or didn't like the show this has to do you because even if you liked the show you cannot say that this is a responsible thing to do you just can't you can't like for the people out there are people who are watching right now who are tired of hearing me complain about the show and I don't I don't know about the show about the show you can find out of the budget the budget I'm complaining about how
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Starting point is 00:23:28 but yesterday, I was supposed to go see a play tomorrow, yesterday. Yesterday. I was see a play yesterday in the city. So it was someone that we were supposed to be interviewing and so yeah, it was great. But we get there and I was going to take my, I took my daughter, my oldest, because she's really into theater
Starting point is 00:23:44 and I wanted to take her for her first. It was an off-Broadway thing. So we didn't take her to off-prud. And so we go, we'd take the train, we get there, she wanted a slice of pizza, I got a slice of pizza. We'd get to the, we go there. It was raining, so we had to, we walked a little bit, Then we'd hopped in the cab and got there.
Starting point is 00:23:59 We got there early. I was like, okay, and you're supposed to meet us outside for, to give his, we had the tickets. And we get there, and I see this one lady, and this lady who's someone who, I guess, had tickets. I was, I was like, what the hell's wrong with that lady? She's like, yeah, the show was canceled. It was canceled. And she, no, I was canceled. I was canceled?
Starting point is 00:24:17 I was like, it was canceled? I was like, it just came in about an hour and a half. No email? Nothing. Wow. Nothing. And I was like, oh, this is a bummer. So they it was it's but I was like yeah whatever you know it is what is I'm in the city with my kid so I and she was bummed though she was bummed so and I saw it and I instead of hopping back on the train again I looked at her I said do you want to see Beetlejuice and at first she was like she thought I meant to play and I was like we just saw that and it's not even playing in Broadway I said she hasn't seen Beetlejuice too yet so we went and and we saw and I took her to see Beatles juice too with the yeah she she loved it but I watching it a second time it like I thought the first time I saw it was okay.
Starting point is 00:24:58 It's not great, but it's, it is, it's, it's a fun watch for, but there's a lot. There's a lot not great about it. Agreed. Yeah. But either way, you are doing well here, man, starting off strong with 37 questions already on a Monday. 37, 37 on a Monday. You're setting the bar for everybody as we go. Now, you know who else set the bar this week?
Starting point is 00:25:23 It was the wild robot. Oh. A wild robot crushed. Yeah, really well. Crush the by. Have you seen this yet? No, I'm seeing it tomorrow. It's really good.
Starting point is 00:25:33 If this movie wins best animated, I will not be surprised. I think this movie will probably win best animated picture. DreamWorks and Universal's The Wild Robot is proving to be not just a critical smash, but it is now a commercial hit as well. The animated film has been posting stellar review scores sitting at 98% both in critics and audience polls on Rotten Tomatoes and landing an A-cinema score from audience exit polls. It is, let's see, where did it go? It's faring much better than Transformers won,
Starting point is 00:26:02 which debuted to a lower than expected $25 million last weekend and has now plunged to seep 63% to $9 million in third place. That's such a bummer, because that movie is so fantastic. It's so good. Second place is Beatles is Beetlejuice. That movie just keeps crushing. We just said this to you and I, though, about how Beatles was going to do because it wasn't going to have much competition
Starting point is 00:26:20 outside of, in the live action realm. Not told. Yeah, which continues its remarkable hole with a drop of just 37%. in his fourth weekend for a further 16.3 million. I can also say that that is true because it was fairly packed than a small theater I was in and even the nice gentleman
Starting point is 00:26:37 who brought his coughing child into the whole time. So you know, don't keep him home and let him get rest. Bring him on in. Let him cough all over the place. Makes a lot of sense. Thanks, pal.
Starting point is 00:26:49 Anyway. Oh, God, to God, these people. There's no theater etiquette anymore, man. The worst. And it's not like, it was one of those wet coughs too. Oh. I had to make my daughter. I moved.
Starting point is 00:27:05 Come on, man. Yeah. It's okay. Move it'll be on digital soon. It's the worst. By Monday, that film will overtake 19, oh, yeah, 1909's Batman, have been burnt in second highest grossing domestic film behind only the live action, Alice in Wonderland. Wow.
Starting point is 00:27:19 This is, this is the story I think that we're going to really focus on here. And that's Francis Ford Coppah's $120 million self-financed Megalopolis. It's tanking. The film debuted in sixth place with just 4.1 million. Yeah, that's even less than way. That's bad. It's bad. Critics reviews have been incredibly divided,
Starting point is 00:27:38 but audiences are rejecting the film with a D plus. Woof. Jason Reitman Saturday night's opening in Select Cinemas today, the first part of a platform release with the film garnering a 51,000 per screening. Average is the second highest of the year behind kinds of kindness. Well, glad about that.
Starting point is 00:27:53 I had a whole debacle in the city last week and missed my screening for Saturday night. um but i i'm glad that the reviews have been good on it i hope it's good i'm gonna definitely see that movie i want to very much so um i will say before we get this story because i don't want to forget i took my my wife and my kids to my wife wanted to return this thing that i had gotten her at this little store really nice store out over here and and and we love this story so we went and it was kind of it was raining whatever too and as we're there there's a guy who's kind of looking in he was with his daughter and he's like i don't want to bother you but christian right i'm a big fan and i was like oh
Starting point is 00:28:26 that's awesome it's a nice super super nice guy yeah wasn't the wasn't the point of the story the best was his teenage daughter who was standing next to him looking at me like this and she looks at it just I don't know that is it was the best it was the best and I was like yes and I was like I love that kid because I was and my my daughter goes yeah dad if you were my dad I would know who you are here it's the best the poor guy he wrote he wrote a comment on the thing and he goes and he's like like oh so embarrassed I go do not be embarrassed I was laughing my ass off with my wife about it
Starting point is 00:29:03 was the best girl couldn't give a crap all she wanted to know after he told her like yeah it's got to watch on youtube or whatever she's like has they ever met haley steinfeld who's the only thing she's love that it goes both ways right because we don't we don't know who they're watching you know all that listening to no my my teen my teenage daughter brought somebody who's super popular I wouldn't know who the hell it was I don't know I'm I've turned it to my father. Anyway, so speaking to my father, he probably wouldn't even want to see Megalopoulos. And that's
Starting point is 00:29:33 Francis Ford Coppola. The problem is, the old dogs, the audience just ain't seeing their movies anymore, man. I think the respect is there for people who study film. But we just mentioned this with the, like my daughter does know Francis Ford Coppola's, and you've got to get you've got to get 15
Starting point is 00:29:50 to 23-year-olds into your movie and they ain't coming to see this. Yeah, it really, is a it's so frustrating because it's another example of the hubris combined with a misfire right and look i don't care what anyone says about killers of the flower moon i thought that film was a misfire and people can rave about it all they want i think the film is a bit of a misfire and i think this is a much more uh grandiose misfire but it isn't i mean grand it isn't from what i read some of the reviews it isn't a misfire in the way that's like oh people are going to come back on this film
Starting point is 00:30:28 and realize 50 years later what he was really saying. The fact that it's so banging you over the head about what it's trying to get across from what I've understood from some of the reviews, it just feels to me like one of these films that are, that are this masquerading is artsy, but is really just an old man yelling at the sky through what he's making in his movie.
Starting point is 00:30:52 You know, and I'll find out when I go see it. I haven't seen it. I don't know. I just heard it was okay. But it's, it's like, less about that to me is also even if it was I like killers of the flower moon I did I know you don't like it but I like that movie I think that was a solid film it still didn't do very well tell you another one that they and a lot of these movies the old dogs and not even just the directors you look at something like and I'll just bring it up right now and you look at something
Starting point is 00:31:15 like like wolves right yeah did you did you watch this no I haven't said I've had it on on Apple TV plus I haven't felt the motivation to watch I watched it it took me not not for the quality wise it but it was about three days to watch the damn thing because we could get into just getting interrupted by our kids and we finally finished it last night the movie is is decent at best um and like the reason why you watch and i look look i love john watts love what he did with the old man um and i good season it's so i'm about i'm only one or two episodes in but i like the first season a lot and i like the directing of it i like the overall how it's written um this movie the main attraction to it is Pitt and Clooney
Starting point is 00:31:58 and watching their back and forth. You've seen it a million times with the Ocean's movies, but it's a little, but it's a little convoluted, and by the time it ends, you're like, wait, what happened? Who, why? Oh, I know. And it's a total streaming movie
Starting point is 00:32:12 to go back to our Accolade conversation of why it's cost the, no, it's, it was rumored to be insane amount of money, but Clooney shot back and then said, no. But it still probably cost a, a pretty penny to make this movie and it shouldn't have. Yeah. And it's the same,
Starting point is 00:32:28 it's like right now because the old dogs, the Scraceses, the Clooney's, the pits, like all of them, they're just not, who they used to be as far as draw. You got to read the writing on the wall.
Starting point is 00:32:41 Stallone was like, okay, I'm going to go do streaming on Paramount Plus with Tulsa King. Right. And you know what? That show is a fun show. Right. And it's about a second season,
Starting point is 00:32:50 which, by the way, it's a damn good season, really enjoying it. So that's the thing. And it's, I know they all want to argue about artistry and all that, but how many people would be, would give a megalopolis series from Francis Ford Coppola more of a watch on streaming than they would in the theater? How many people would watch a Martin Scorsese series in larger numbers than they would go see
Starting point is 00:33:13 a movie in the theater? It's that kind of thing. And I, again, I can't discount the fact that theaters have been terribly taken care of over the last few years. people got used to being at home and also just mentioned earlier the theater etiquette people i it's even affecting me i'm at a point now where i look at a theater and see how many people are in theater right before the movie is starting it's bad before i buy a ticket because i don't want to be around a lot of people because they're so disrespectful and i become and i will totally admit because of press screens i have become snooty when it comes to going to the public um
Starting point is 00:33:47 screenings because people act terrible and not only was the guy with the coughing kid there there was this young couple that came in for some reason, the seats that they had, they didn't like. So in a fairly empty theater, they decided to sit right behind us for some reason. I don't know why they did that. And then talking as loud as they want. That's okay. Just talk as loud as you want. Do whatever you want to do.
Starting point is 00:34:09 And it's like, and then there was a group behind it. And I just knew it. I was like, and I said, I've seen this already. And my 12 year old does not care. Right. Does not care. So it doesn't bother me. Let her watch.
Starting point is 00:34:20 If she's enjoying it, if she's getting bothered by it, then. But she wasn't, so it didn't care. But yes, it adds to all of it. And it adds to, especially if you're doing a three-hour movie, and then you're like, oh, my God, don't want to see a three-hour movie with people who can't behave themselves and do that. That's part of it. But it's also, who the hell wants to sit?
Starting point is 00:34:37 Movies are so long these days. It's sitting around like for that. And if it's not good, and the other, it's, it is now a gamble with an investment. If it's like, okay, if I'm going to spend whatever it is with money for popcorn or whatever the treats are. $20, $30 for myself or whatever it is, and then I'm bringing somebody else. And if I leave and I'm disappointed,
Starting point is 00:35:02 I'm like, why did I spend the money on that? Yeah, I'm like, what a bummer that is. So you take, if you're, it's a reason why Deadpool will remade the money that it did. You saw one and two and you're like, am I all, I've seen one and two, I'll invest in three and why not? And I'm just gonna hear to laugh and whatever it is.
Starting point is 00:35:18 So that movie does not do well for Francis Ford Coppola. Wild Robot, on the other hand, showing that what's so weird is that Transformers, which has a built-in IP behind it and has gotten pretty good reviews, doesn't do well at all. But here's a movie that, I guess, based off a pretty popular book, maybe that's kind of what it was and feeling, and maybe a little bit more accessible to all families, as opposed to thinking that it's just for, you know,
Starting point is 00:35:49 people who love the Transformers, as where this because it's a movie like if I was going to go right now the only movie that I think that I could take my seven year old now she just turned seven last week if I took my seven year old to is the wild robot I don't do I think she liked the Transformers yeah but I think the wilder even though she doesn't want to see the wild robot she's like I saw the trailer for that I don't I don't care about it she would love it I know she would love it and my wife same thing probably would love it so why do you think this movie did so well oh I think it's because as you said said it's a new IP. I think the trailers did a really great job. Like we talked about last week with Transformers 1, the marketing, the trailers may have affected it on how people received it and how people looked at the film.
Starting point is 00:36:33 But this one, from the beginning, the rollout for this has been fantastic. And the look of it, the scenes that you've seen, all of it has been, it has made it feel like this is a must see type of movie in the theater because of the quality
Starting point is 00:36:49 of the animation. And then the story that it's telling, right? I think people want to go into a theater and they nowadays, yes, they want to be challenged for sure, but there is those feeling, there are those people who want to go to the theater. I think it's a lot of people who want to escape and have fun and feel good and be moved and emotionally connected to these characters, especially in an animation situation. And this feels like it works for adults and children. So it just kind of is checking all the smart boxes to make it do so well over transformers because I think you're right
Starting point is 00:37:22 Transformers is built an audience but because it has a built an audience it's limited with its appeal especially in an animated form and if you don't get the core audience to want to see this movie because of the trailer or whatever then you're screwed then you're screwed and I think that's ultimately
Starting point is 00:37:38 maybe what happens so all right what do you guys think about the box office did you see the wild robot do you want to see the wild robot if so do you think it's going to win best at a minute picture at least have a shot to do it put your thoughts in there I want to to hear what you think. John currently, you're standing at 45, man, you're looking good. 45. It's a good start for the week. And we are now going to move to some sad news.
Starting point is 00:38:03 Oh, no. Two sad stories here. The first, Chris Christofferson has passed away at 88 years old. Yes. The iconic country music superstar. Chris Christopherson has died. He was 88. Christopherson passed away at his home yesterday in Maui. That's where I want to go. Hey, buddy. That's where to go. That's where to go. His family said in a statement, I hope he was looking out at the ocean. So I was hoping. I'm hoping.
Starting point is 00:38:26 We were also blessed for our time with him. Thank you for all loving him these many years. And when you see a rainbow, no, he's smiling down on us all. It's very sweet. The South Texas Native and Rhodes Scholar piloted helicopters in the U.S. Army, received a rugby club when he was in college. He excelled at boxing and football.
Starting point is 00:38:41 Of course he did. He was a boss. And he worked as a janitor at Columbia Records in Nashville before his career took off. And then we're going to couple that story real quick. Yeah. With the, we just, the last Beverly Hills just came out. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:57 Beverly Hills Cop star John Ashton has also passed away. John Ashton known as Taggart in the Beverly Hills Copps films passed away at 76. He's significantly younger. Ashton played his role of the gruff, detective sergeant, alongside Eddie Murphy and Judge Reinhold in the first two installments of the Beverly Hills Cop franchise. His career began in the 70s, an eye for an eye, breaking away. Columbo, Mashed, Dallas, policewoman, and Starsky, Notch in the 80s, hitting his stride. He was in some kind of wonderful.
Starting point is 00:39:27 She's having a baby. And then, Midnight Run. He was great in Midnight Run. Yeah, it was great. He was also in Gone Baby Gone, Trapped in Paradise Instinct. So he's survived by his wife of 24 years, Robin Hoy, and multiple children, siblings, and stepchildren. He was also in this movie, which was, God, it was a rough movie when I was, you remember. remember that uh that movie based on a true story i know my first name is stephen remember that
Starting point is 00:39:52 is that the is that the no this kid that this kid was kidnapped right the kid was god was the worst story of his kid was kidnapped yes and i guess 10 years later or maybe maybe 12 later he's returned to his family and then the real kid after the movie came out was like so messed up he went up being hit by a car was a dude was brutal but john ashton played um played the father in that i I always remember because I was a tagger. But, man, two huge losses here. And, you know, the thing is Ashton was, was 76. That's fairly, that's pretty fairly young.
Starting point is 00:40:30 For nowadays, that's young. I mean, knock on wood, both my father-in-law and my dad are both older than that. And, yeah, it's rough. And then Chris Christopherson, you just listen, just reading up some of the things that that guy did. helicopters and box and I was like of course that was the ultimate whistler of course that guy shouldn't whistle but yeah it's it's it's repetitive to what we say that we always want and but it doesn't take away from it but you always want to wish the best to their families and and you also want to honor their kind of legacy but anything that stands out about these two gentlemen
Starting point is 00:41:05 oh yeah I mean absolutely with Ashton I mean you grew up in 80s that's that taggart as you said but and the dad of Eric Stoltz in some kind of wonderful one of those forgotten but still damn good John Hughes movies. He's so good in that. And what you were talking about with Midnight Run, he, I know people talk about Groden and De Niro in that movie. He is so essential to that movie working as essentially the antagonist to what De Niro is doing throughout the whole movie. He is so funny. And he stays tough even when he's getting outwitted by De Niro throughout the whole movie. He never becomes like a joke. And I think that's it takes a certain kind of actor to be able to still portray tough even while he's getting
Starting point is 00:41:45 a hoodwink to buy De Niro throughout the whole movie and so I love what that was for some reason John just is quiet now sure translate into which language no language you idiot leave us alone okay I won't shit I don't know why that happened judge Reinhold did a great tribute to him and of course Chris I mean Chris Christophson listen when you grew up when I grew up the outlaw is influenced by soul
Starting point is 00:42:16 many things. Johnny Cash, Chris Christopherson, the highwayman, Willie Nelson, Merle Haggard. Though that's the essence of that feeling of the outlaw, the outlaw, country music, the outlaw kind of approach to the world. Those are those guys that kind of really, for me, influenced me as a young kid growing up in Virginia and having that kind of country music, old school country music around me all the time. And Chris was a symbol of that. What I didn't know about was the stuff with Chenette O'Connor and how he became like really good friends with her. And after that whole thing with the Pope and ripping the picture up he was there to console her he to give her advice and all this stuff because she's like
Starting point is 00:42:52 because he was like i remember when we did crazy shit and we were pushing back at a system and so this is what happens and they were apparently lifelong friends you know and so a little things that he did that were just helpful but i also want to say you know rip to maggie smith as well yeah yeah losing her who was so great over the weekend yeah my my daughter brought that it's amazing it's amazing how that can And just how the illustrious career that she had, obviously, too. But like how my daughter was like, guys, I want to bring up some sad news. And she said, she said, McGonigal. And I was like, yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:24 And then I saw your post who was very touching, you know, with the stuff that they did at the Universal for her. And something was really nice. So it's always a bummer. Look, we're getting old, man. We're losing, you know, we're losing people, losing legends. And it's, and it's unfortunately going to keep happening. But you say today?
Starting point is 00:43:41 No. We lost Dekimbe. But Tomba. Oh, I saw that too. 58 years old for brain cancer. That's crazy stuff. I know. I know.
Starting point is 00:43:49 It's just job. We're all dying. I know. So anyway, respect and love to everybody here, the people that we lost and to their families. And there's always, there's never a good transition out of that. So we try to bring it into some. We're going to get to your questions in just a moment here. But there's another story that I thought was interesting.
Starting point is 00:44:10 Did you hear about Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman with the Oscar? stuff. Oh, yeah. You want to talk about it? Yeah, I'm so curious. You got such a, you're not a Ryan Reynolds guy, I've realized. You do not like Ryan Reynolds. I was a Ryan Reynolds guy. Okay, well, we're going to have questions. All right. Deadpool stars wanted to host Oscars. A new report in touch weekly claims that Deadpool and Wolverine stars Hugh Jackman, Ryan Reynolds of the top choice to host the Academy Awards early next year. The outlets in Snyder, oh no, it's not in Snyder. The outlets insider says Hugh and Ryan as a team are the top of the Oscars wish list now that they've sealed
Starting point is 00:44:48 their status as the two biggest movie stars of the year hasn't you Jackman already hosted the Oscars two biggest movie stars of the year okay but didn't didn't he host the Oscars once he did didn't he jones I don't know if he's ever hosted who did it who did in Hathaway hosted with that one year James James oh Franco right yeah I thought he had Hugh Jackman did it one year that would have been a much better job with you I swore he did it one year. What the hell do I know? He was a multi-person.
Starting point is 00:45:14 The Outlets Insider says, yeah, their team they're done it. They add that they've been approached. They haven't said no yet. Jackman previously hosted the Oscars. See? In 2009, I was right on his own. And it remains, yes.
Starting point is 00:45:28 And it remains one of the most well-regarded Oscar ceremonies of the past two decades. He and Reynolds's romantic media tour for their film was well received, and the actress took their, yeah. They would also be a rating straw for the network. pushing this environment. Okay, so we're going to disagree here. I can already tell.
Starting point is 00:45:44 Okay. I think this is a smart move. I think it's a smart move. Let's break it up into two things. One, I think it's a smart move to get people to watch the show. Yes. Right? But this has also been kind of a week year for movies. Yeah. So, you know,
Starting point is 00:46:04 you're going to get people to watch, but are people going to keep watching because it was kind of a week year for movies? I don't know. We're going to see. There's no Barbie here. so far that's going to get people like or Oppenheimer's going to be like, whoa, what's going to happen? You know, because all the big films are tent pole films that are not going to be
Starting point is 00:46:19 nominated for these awards. So it's a curious decision. And then the report last week that Disney and Marvel are submitting these two for Golden Globes consideration and Hugh for Oscar consideration and the film for Oscars consideration from the best picture.
Starting point is 00:46:36 That's crazy. That is madness to me on so many. Okay, I'm with you on that one. I'm with you on that one. I mean, look, submitting it is not madness, them thinking that they can actually win as madness. You think he's nominated is fucking mad. Okay.
Starting point is 00:46:48 Fair. Look, we just did a good time and then I'll throw the plug over to you, but a good time to plug the, we've been doing the movie reactions and we just put our Deadpool one up there and I've watched one and our two is coming out tomorrow.
Starting point is 00:47:01 And I haven't seen, like my friend Sam has never seen it before. She didn't seen one, she didn't see two. One and two, I think, I'm going to watch, and we're going to do Deadpool over this week. I think they're significantly better than the third. I think they're significantly better.
Starting point is 00:47:16 I got to watch the third one again, but I think that from what I have to, and I like the third one. I just think that the one and two are significantly better. I'll have to go and check that out. But before we continue to talk about this real quick, I'm sure you're talking about this on Hot Mike and other things. What do you got going on on the channel?
Starting point is 00:47:36 Yeah, yeah, yeah. My channel head on over there. YouTube.com slash John Roker says. you know we're almost at 35,000 we love to get the 50,000 in the next year or so so if you haven't subscribed to the channel would love you to head on over there the hot mic is happening every Thursday when we put it up we have the geek buddies we're just going to drop our review of penguin episode two a little bit later today and then of course the uh the Jedi way spill the tequila with Winston my reactions and I'll be doing more of those movie reactions coming
Starting point is 00:48:04 up after the agatha stuff and penguin stuff kind of floats away here but yeah a lot happening on the channel and i'm always open to feedback so if you guys have great ideas for how to build the channel and grow the channel even more i'm always open for it and christin's always great to reach out and go hey man i know you don't want my advice but here's my advice and so yep i always appreciate that so head on over there youtube.com slash john roca says help out the outlaw nation people please well there you go make sure you do that um yeah i think that just jumping back to this topic i think that them doing this together they are the i would say this This year I do think they're the biggest movie stars of the year because they're in a billion-dollar movie together.
Starting point is 00:48:44 And that's how you equate that. You equate that by saying who had the most successful movie out there right now. And there's some animated, I guess, what was the other one that made a billion? There was two that made a billion this year, right? It was inside out, inside out and in this one. Right. So, I mean, you know, Amy Poehler could host, and she's done Golden Globes and other stuff too. Yeah, it would be great.
Starting point is 00:49:04 But the difference is that you, you know, you. you're not going to have as much, like, recognizable from a lot of people when it comes up because it's an animated film. But it's just animated film. Like, little kids aren't going to recognize, like, if a 15-year-old or, hell, a 10-year-old that watched Deadpool, shouldn't, but they did, looked up and goes, oh, that's Deadpool and Wolverine. But a 8-year-old or a 7-year-old who watched Inside Out 2, my 7-year-old watches Inside Out 2. my seven-year-old watches inside out too,
Starting point is 00:49:40 and Amy Poehs shows, I should know it. She goes, is that Bonnie? No, it's not Bonnie. It's, that's, that's Amy Paul. They look alike. Similar, they could be cousins or sisters. But either way. Point is, I think this is a good,
Starting point is 00:49:55 I think they have good chemistry, Jackman and Reynolds. I think it can work. Okay, fine. Okay. It'll be all about Ryan, but okay. Yeah. I'm going to bring out Blake.
Starting point is 00:50:06 Do you know what on the table? know he'll bring out Blake you know what I want just for you with all that drama to react to it do you know who I want to host just for you can react to it who Ryan Reynolds in the rock just so you can react to it oh you'd lose your mind did you watch the uh the vincent man thing yet yeah I finished that whole thing in two days how did you not how did you not do you not do you've been doing movie reaction how do you not how do you not do a vincent man reaction on to that oh I did a review yeah to a reaction okay how do you do a reaction like just talk about it i guess i could just like you just done the clip outs to some way you do a movie
Starting point is 00:50:39 yeah i was gonna do it i had no time i was gonna do that one for like for every episode oh how many episodes were they total six yeah you definitely should if i if i you know no it's it's a matter of have not having an editor who's doing it 24-7 if i had an editor solely dedicated to my channel then you'd be able to do it yeah i think i probably would done that i do reactions i would change the channel to just reaction um broken reactions it would just be that Because I love watching stuff and react. You know what's the other thing? Speaking of watching DeVinci and editor out there, it wants to work, we can figure it out.
Starting point is 00:51:13 What are you thinking about DeVisement, Doc, so far? Do you like it? I thought the doc overall. You watched the whole thing, okay. I did. I thought it was a well-constructed documentary. But if you know all the stories, it's going to feel a little boring at times because you know all the stories. But there's still some little things that are interesting and new.
Starting point is 00:51:32 That being said, the doc is much. much is very much a must watch to see the many ways that Vince is an utter nutball. And Vince has multiple personalities, multiple things that he's done as a bit of a sociopath in order to succeed in the business. And there's a story about how he basically asked Shane to stab him with a knife. So Paul Heyman said that, right? I saw that. Yeah, Paul tells a story. Like, he told Shane, if you want to put this storyline together over,
Starting point is 00:52:04 my objection you're going to have to kill me legitimately kill me and take over the business he's a lunatic he's a lunatic the other the other thing that i did watch as i'm not i'm not done with it yet but i'm about i'm about a 20 minutes left of it is the oscar delahoya doc that's on hbio oh did you see did you did you watch that the opening week and it came when did it come out it came out like months ago oh did it i don't see this is it just popped up in my algorithm on hboh and i watched it and it's it's really good it's really it shows you i mean it's i will say this i was always a delahoya fan watching i was always a fan but watching that doc and watching the stuff like when the back and forth the him and dana white i don't know why i might i think i sighed with dana for some reason i don't i don't i don't trust delahua i don't
Starting point is 00:52:52 trust dana no no no but i'm just asking that of the two i'm just no i think they're both messed up i think they're both messed up i think they both lied if you ever watch canelo alvarez talk about del oia he rips him to see it well they almost got into it at the press comments anyway yeah um so there's so much that we talked about discussed and i love getting all of your thoughts and we've been doing it so thank you for i don't know if you know this guys we're on apple podcast we're on spotify that we do the they have comments now on spotify which is wonderful thank you to everybody and we also have tons of questions here today john you started off big you started off big today and we're at 51 already So only 51.
Starting point is 00:53:33 No, stop it. It's a good to 80. Come on, people. Well, if you want to, I mean, look, the ultimate record is, I think, 106 is what Winston had. It was 106. But this week, you're starting, you already got the precedent with 51, and that's really great. That is great. And we're going to start off with our buddy, Mike Joyce, of course. Hey.
Starting point is 00:53:53 He says, so Francis Ford Coppola spent roughly 40 years of his life and 100 million of his own money on Megaloplas. look what I'm going to tell you that I think that I give the man props for in the same way that you look at what Costner did is if if it's and look and even on a smaller scale of what Jennifer Esposito did for her movie on on fresh kills right if you believe in a project so much and you have the will and you have the means and you have a way to get it done and you get it done you have nothing but my respect now it doesn't mean I'm necessarily going to like your movie doesn't necessarily mean that I'm going to tell you people you should go see him, but it means I'm going to respect you for putting it out there. Even someone like a Francis Ford Coppola who wanted to get it done, if he spent $100 million of his own money, then more power to him. Now, it's not a me to say, why'd you do that? It's just, I, it didn't work, but he took a shot. So yeah, I think that's a tough one. Mike, Joyce, Mike, it's easy to sit on the sidelines, baby. It's different to play a hand. And Coppola is playing a hand. Now, we may not like the end result. We may think it's ridiculous,
Starting point is 00:54:59 this, but you cannot go after him for spending 40 years and $100 million for making this movie because he is driven by a passion. Well, he finds you find a passion, Mike, Joyce. You too. Well, he followed it up. He followed it up kind of with that point, John. He said, I don't know whether to hate him for his ego thinking it was a story that needed to be told or to be concerned for his mental health.
Starting point is 00:55:22 Don't hate him for his ego or be concerned with his mental health. He's an artist. And he pursued what he wanted to pursue. what artists do. So, you know, you take the good with the bad always with every artist. Yes. Chris Grenier. Wow. What a rough weekend for Hollywood. Maggie Smith, Chris Croserson, John Ashton, Drake, Hoggiston. Yeah, this is, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, I felt like it was coming, like, fast and furious with the news about the people who were, who were leaving us. It was, that was tough. Hank Pim, I watched a wild robot last Thursday.
Starting point is 00:55:54 It was one of the best movies of the past five years. Friday, I watched Megalopolis, that's one of the worst movies I've ever seen wow that's but I didn't hear that I haven't heard that it's I just heard that it was kind of me yeah that's what I heard I'm curious to hear your thoughts on it when you see it tomorrow yeah I miss I actually chose you know it's funny about that I had a screening for both megalopolis and wild robot in the same day I chose wild robot isn't it crazy I chose neither I chose to watch my commanders beat the Bengals on monday night for yeah three and one top of the division suck it oh sniff a far right, will you? And then, yeah, Wild Robot is a great move. It's really good. It's really good. I think people are going to dig it.
Starting point is 00:56:36 Chris Crane here. I saw the McCougo video on grief that you did with him. Honestly, after losing my late wife, I didn't have words to explain the feelings and you both nailed all of it. I also had and still do have the dreams. Well, Chris, first of all, I'm very sorry for your loss. That's very hard to deal with. And I couldn't even imagine and I'm so sorry. and I'm glad that that video was able to was able to do that for you because it was I didn't know look McCoug is having a rough time obviously right now he's having a really rough time what's going on I don't know
Starting point is 00:57:06 McCugia's brother passed away oh no he passed away about a about a month ago oh that's such a shame we don't talk anymore so I don't know this stuff so hit a long battle with with cancer and Ben was a very good very good person and and McCugia's having a rough time So he reached out to me and asked me if I would, you know, talk about grief and stuff with him on,
Starting point is 00:57:28 on his things. It's the way he's kind of coping. And we did. And we had a really good conversation. And I hope that it helped him. And what I said is, as you know, John, you've been through loss. And it's a matter of it never, it never, it gets better, but it never goes away. That's kind of what I said.
Starting point is 00:57:47 You want to reach the, yeah, losing my dad is the biggest loss of my life. And what you, it took three years to put it in its proper place. And the thing I always say is that you've got to work to get to that place where you appreciate the time you had and not focus on the time you lost. Because the time you had is the gift of life. And no matter how little or how much you had, the fact that you had that time, that's really important. And those memories and those things that you experience together, they take on an even greater significance in your life because of the loss. and that's important. And you never stop missing them
Starting point is 00:58:25 and you never stop being affected by it. But you know, it's... But you come to a better place about it and you feel the change in yourself with their loss. Yes. And thank you, Chris, for A-sharing with that and then following it up with...
Starting point is 00:58:42 He says, with Helene, just devastating the Southeast, does this set back any production filming down there and by how much? I know it's really bad in North Carolina and Tennessee. I don't know the answer. I would assume so. I would assume that anytime that's I remember when the New Orleans thing happened was it 2005? Yeah, 2005. I remember all the stuff that was planned there and I mean they have to You know reschedule things to do things and so I would assume but I'm not sure have you heard anything
Starting point is 00:59:12 No, not done I haven't seen anything, but of course they always shoot in the south and especially You know in places like Atlanta and Georgia North Carolina. Those are big places where they shoot. I mean, I've, one of my really, really good friends is from Ash, is from Asheville. And so seeing the devastation in Asheville and North Carolina, which, by the way, is a really good arts community to seeing the, to see the effect of that, it's just heartbreaking and devastating. It's so tough. Yeah, I was, my, my family's in Florida, so I was doing a lot of checkup on them. My dad was out without, I think he's still without power. Hank Pimp, do you think the kid's going to turn on the penguin? So I haven't seen episode two yet. Have you
Starting point is 00:59:50 seen two yet? Yeah, we did our review earlier this morning. Okay. And did you like to? Don't spoil anything. It's not as strong as one, but it's still a damn good episode. Okay. I'm going to, I'm excited to watch too. Like I said, I ran out of time this whole week to do, I mean, I had so much crap going on. And then Friday I left to work early because of, because it was Macy's birthday. So I just kind of was trying to get to Penguin over the weekend. I just couldn't get to it. So I'll probably do, I might still even try to do a reaction to it. I don't know, but I might even just reacted two and three together. I don't know yet. But I don't know whether or not he's going to turn on. I don't want to spoil it yet. So just with a yes or no, John, do you think he's going to turn on?
Starting point is 01:00:30 Yes. Okay. Chris Griner, breaking sports news to Kimba, Matumbo, basketball Hall of Famer, and NBA, NBA, very sad. He was so, I mean, I mean, how do you not smile every time he saw that guy? He was, he's just so powerful, too. He was, like, he was the man. He was the commercials were funny. It's hilarious. Oh, I love those commercials. That's also terrible. Johnny Venerable. That Jalil White Skeleton photo. I don't know, man.
Starting point is 01:00:57 Yeah, I saw that. Not the best. But I think Kalinowski sent me that. Did I do that following? But what I don't want to do is just, it's not fair to typecast somebody right away. It's just not fair. Because what if, in the same way that look at Josh Hartnett,
Starting point is 01:01:19 who was just cast on his. good looks during the day and now he's like pulling out great performances and pulled off and i don't love trap but i love them in it loved them in oppenheimer so i think there are people who can totally change your perception but yeah i don't know man i still i just feel my fingers are crossed but i don't know going in i'm going and hopeful it's clearly a kid's show it's clearly a kid show so it is done for that and having look juleo white does not talk like that in real life for god's sakes he's not going to walk around star war set going oh did i shoot you it's just going to be him in his regular voice which is a deep baritone voice yeah uh doing
Starting point is 01:02:03 doing what he's doing in the character i think it's fun the same people complaining about this are the same people who welcomed hayden christiansen back with open arms after his acting and he was typecast with terrible performance i think he meant the picture though also though because the picture did you see the picture i don't know the picture we talked about it on the jedi way last week i thought it was fine i don't know what the issue is what it's this not serious star wars this is going to be fun pew few star wars so i know they need serious star was that mentality i think i think you just nailed it though i think the problem is that it needs serious star wars right now they do but it's not what's it's it's it's just bad strategy but but we'll look hopefully hopefully the show's good hopefully
Starting point is 01:02:43 the show's good, but I think the strategy behind this is pretty bad. Chris, again, thank you, Chris, and Chris says, Major League, all of Season 2 of the Walking Dead, Darrell Dixon, was relieved briefly instead of the first episode, and all of season two plot is online. Oh, that's are you still watching the
Starting point is 01:03:01 Walking Dead stuff? I stopped a while. It's amazing how it's still, it's still moving. Clearly, multiple spinoffs. I mean, Michone and Rick have their own situation. Now you've got Daryl, the book of Daryl, you know, whatever that means with Carol. And so, yeah, it's fascinating.
Starting point is 01:03:16 I applaud people who are still in this universe and enjoying it, because clearly there's enough of y'all to keep this going. Interesting, though, that everything leaked. How does that happen? You know what I mean? How does that happen? Like, if it's not intentional, like, it's like, how do you look? I mean, this is someone that stoned out of their face going,
Starting point is 01:03:32 and hitting the button and go, whoops. This is what happens when you don't pay, you know, high-end people to be in charge of the stuff, the mistakes that happened because you're trying to find the cheapest work or cheapest employee for this job and things like this are going to happen. I'm for so. All right, the great Tim Simp. There he is. I was hoping to tell you guys what I thought about the McMahon documentary today,
Starting point is 01:03:57 but I'm not done yet, not a binge person. But so far, it's been well made, and yes, includes several things you two already knew. That's a lot of stuff that, do you feel that, John? Is there a lot of stuff that we kind of knew already, or did you learn a lot of new things? I think there's a lot of stuff that we knew already. There's moments of stuff that we, like there's scenes with Brett Hart's wife confronting Triple H, which I had not seen. But that's from that documentary, isn't it?
Starting point is 01:04:21 Huh? Isn't it from that documentary? Yeah, but there's even more footage from that documentary. Oh, it's more from it. It was really cool to see. And the stuff with Owen Hart, that's really devastating. And the Benoit stuff and Stone Cold does not come off well in the documentary. Really?
Starting point is 01:04:38 because he claims that CT doesn't exist. Oh, wow. And that is a stupid, stupid thing to say. And it really frustrating. I'm going to turn on all my heroes, man. By the end of my life, I'm just going to turn on all. It's clearly they're getting older and they're becoming stupid. And I'll stay that to Stone Cold's face.
Starting point is 01:04:58 Like, you're no doctor. Who are you to say that CT doesn't exist? You can say that you never had it, which he claims he never did. But you can't claim that because you never had it, nobody's ever had. Like, you're not the singular body. Is that what he said? Is that what he said?
Starting point is 01:05:12 Nobody ever had it? Yeah. That's what he says. He refuses to accept it as a thing. All right. Julius Wyatt, as a UGA fan, Saturday was heartbreak. John, how about your commanders? They're so fun to watch.
Starting point is 01:05:24 Top five Tom Cruise performances. Films love you two together. Thank you, Julius. Top five crew's performances? Tough to say. I mean, that's hard. Look, I think that he was so good in Top Gun Maverick. I think he was great in that.
Starting point is 01:05:38 I think he's good in Vanilla Sky. I think he's good in The Last Samurai. I think he's good in Magnolia. Trying to think of some other ones that pop up. I mean, then Mission Impossible, depending on which one he's doing. But those are the ones that pop up right away, but I'm sure there's some other. Oh, and shoot. And what's a classic one?
Starting point is 01:06:02 Raymond. Yeah, Raymond. Oh, he's excellent. Rayman. Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, I don't know necessarily. know if it's a top five but i can just tell you those are ones that stand out to me yeah magnolia uh born on the fourth of july is a good with two yeah and top gun maverick those are the three
Starting point is 01:06:16 right now in my head yeah that are the top three performances from cruz but of course you know you i think even something like oblivion which isn't that strong of a movie he delivers a fantastic performance in that yeah he's he's always good i mean he's always good yeah derrick johnson the great derrick johnson Derek, the great, I should say. I'm going to say something a little controversial. Don't anybody snap my head off, just throwing it out there. Brock only got the win over The Undertaker because he and Vince shared some sexual tendencies.
Starting point is 01:06:44 I don't believe for a second that Brock was icon-level enough to even sniff taking that record. You're an insane person, Derek, and I love you to pieces, but you're completely wrong. At that point, Brock was a stratospheric superstar. He was out in the strategy. He didn't need that win, though, by the way. He didn't need it, no.
Starting point is 01:07:05 And what you find out in the dock is they came up with it that day. Stupid. It was like almost right before it started. And Undertaker says that. He's like, I had no idea I was going to lose until I got to the arena. Should have put somebody over that really needed it. I would have just put somebody completely over for everybody. I mean, it turned somebody to know a megastar.
Starting point is 01:07:23 You had somebody that was like a Soso who just got the chance. You're like, there's no way this guy's going to beat the Undertaker. And then he does. But Brock doing it, who cares? The only thing that came out of that win was that the fan's face in the front row. The dude reacted to you. But, yeah, so I don't know about the fact of him, the reason why he got it, because he had something over him.
Starting point is 01:07:44 Nah, because I just don't think that the Rock and the Intertaker were pretty good friends. That I don't think that Brock would be like, hey, if you don't give that wind or me, I'm going to let you know that this is coming out. It just doesn't seem like that would have went down. Plus, I don't think that I just, I don't, yeah, I just don't see that coming. Vince messes with a lot of stuff. Vince won't mess with the business. Whatever you want to say about him is certainly a depraved individual.
Starting point is 01:08:10 Would he do something to sacrifice the future success of the business just for a petty sexual situation with Brock Lesnar? I would say 100% no. Yeah. The accusations are there of what he supposedly did with that young woman with him and Brock. Did they mention any of that in the doc? Yeah. The last 30 minutes of the doc.
Starting point is 01:08:31 get into that but probably added it refused to do any interviews after the accusations right and no and only pritchard comes back to essentially be ridiculed for defending vince because those allegations come out like days after pritchard does a reshoot of his stuff after seeing the episode um beto power oh man the penguin is even better than anticipated what an episode a lottie going toe to toe the farrell should probably win the I mean, she was so great in episode one, so I can only imagine how good she was into. She's fantastic. Colin Farrell is unbelievable in the show.
Starting point is 01:09:10 But the fact that she's able to get the conversation around herself is a thing, is a thing of beauty. Because, like, everyone's talking about him. Everyone should be talking about him. But the fact, every comment I see now is Farrell's great and Melody's awesome as well. And it was like it's a one-two thing. And I'm sure the kind of guy, Helen Farrell is he probably applauds that. He loves that.
Starting point is 01:09:34 Yeah. Yeah. But she's great, right? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I love her. I mean, I've been a fan of her since she did that stint on 30 Rock as that baby-voiced girl, but you find out the reason why she's doing it. And then Made for Love, which was a great HBO Mac series and hardly anybody watched with Billy Magnuson and her. All right. And then the most recent, the resort one that was on Peacock, she was great on that as well. So having her kind of move away from these kind of dark comedies to go into. something really dramatic yeah palm springs she's a fantastic oh palm springs another dark comedy as well she's fantastic in this she's really really good yeah
Starting point is 01:10:10 she's really really good it does feel like a film though um Derek Derek Johnson I wanted to be hype for the acolyte and they told us it was a story about the dark side and they just gave me poor storytelling plot holes and wasted many Li Zhang Jain and biggest cardinal sin of them all effing up kary ann now that I'm not going to disagree with anything you just said yeah I agree yeah that was I mean that was we've covered that in kind of depth, but I think that that's exactly right. So Derek, thank you. And Derek's adding, John, you're at 63 at the moment, too. It's going to be tough. It's going to be good, good precedence is set for the rest of the week. Derek Johnson, did either of you see what David
Starting point is 01:10:45 Cornswet said about Dean Kane? Man, that took some swinging balls to ask for that smoke. I'm a fan now even without the Superman movie. What did he say? Do you know? I was too busy to caught up in Zachary Levi going off the deep end this weekend. I did not see the David Cornswets. I did not see either. Majero puts in a, let me know what he said about, 99 cents, thank you, Majore. Derek Johnson also says, throwing some support. Thank you, Derek.
Starting point is 01:11:11 Thank you, dear. And we are moving down the line here, as we see back to Chris, who says, I'm answering Rocha from last week. Motel Geek is dead. What does that mean? Well, back when we, I used to host for you, you know, in the morning,
Starting point is 01:11:29 I would always make fun of Hotel Nerd. that he had this hidden cousin Motel Geek. Oh, okay. Sadly, Motel Geek apparently has gone the way of the dodo. Sorry, Hotel. Oh, man. Carlton Runner, there he is. Always good. Carlton Runner has actually joined the Patreon,
Starting point is 01:11:44 so I get to see him on, he joins in on the Q&As that we do, so I've actually got to see him face to face now, so it's like, what a nice guy. He says, London calling Christian, I'm loving dark matter on Apple TV. Wolves was also good, fun, good, I'm glad you enjoy it. Very Newman and Redford vibes,
Starting point is 01:11:59 which I don't disagree with. opening estimates for Joker 2. I mean, we talked about that. You know, it's like it said, I'm gonna, I mean, what, I think 120? Yeah. 120 is probably where it lands. What do you think?
Starting point is 01:12:12 Yeah, probably 121. Somewhere between 120, 150. I think that's fair. I'm gonna see, there's a, fan screenings tonight at certain theaters. So I'm gonna try to get a couple of tickets because that's one of those rare comic movies that the lady outlaws into.
Starting point is 01:12:28 So we're gonna go see it tonight. hopefully if we can find a couple of good seats. So I'll let you know what I think. But I hope it gets a good response. But I think the musical thing is really starting to rear its head. In terms of the response from people, tickets-wise. Yes, boy. If y'all were wrestlers, what would your theme song be?
Starting point is 01:12:50 You probably have your, I'd have my own, well, made up one. Yeah. Christian didn't like any of the ones I proposed to them. We couldn't. Which was the, we had. We had, well, the ones that David B started doing for you were pretty great. You, I let you use, you were the one person that had a couple good ones that started out. I mean, what did you use?
Starting point is 01:13:09 I can't remember, you used a few. My knowledge one for the live show. That's still my favorite one. Yeah, used a few. You can hate me now is one of my favorites. So funny is that we had in the way that YouTube used to work is that I don't know how it happened. But we got away with so many songs that we were able to use and still monetize the videos. You couldn't do that today.
Starting point is 01:13:26 I don't know how it worked at all back then, but it worked. Maybe because we were talking over them a lot of times. I don't know. I'm not sure. I don't know my theme song. I'd probably just, I'd want something. I'd want something that Jim Johnson did.
Starting point is 01:13:39 Tell you that. Yeah. Yeah. And now that the guys who were doing the music for the last few years for WW are leaving, apparently the contract's not getting renewed, a lot of people would call it were Jim Johnson to come back and put some new things to do. I hope that they do because I saw that. And I think that what they said they're going to do with Netflix.
Starting point is 01:13:56 and they're going to just be able to license music for people now the way that boxers do do and i hope that they don't do that i hope they get jim johnson do it it's put so much more flare into it yeah um magero any opinions on the star wars youtube or civil war no i have no opinions on it like my whole my whole thing is where i was like i would i do this thing on uh you know i'm the ufo videos that i do and the community over there they go after each other and everything too and i'm just like i don't have time for it i don't have time for it i don't want i don't I don't know. I want to, there are so many times that I wish that I could take a machete to both your and Mike Kalinowski's hand when it comes to Twitter. It's like, I don't know why you do it.
Starting point is 01:14:35 I don't know what. There's so many times I want to take your hand and go, will you say something in support of certain issues for fuck's sake? For what? I'm screaming at the people that are going to agree with me who it's aimed at and the people who are ready are done. You're never going to tweet something out and the people that you want to debate with are never going to go, oh yeah you're right and tweet it back you might have that in a conversation with somebody eye to eye face to face you might be able to address your points is this is what i love about the monday show right because people have said the reason why they like me and you because we don't always agree on everything but we were friends for 25 years so we can both have a civil conversation and i can guarantee you
Starting point is 01:15:11 though i can guarantee you that if we didn't know each other you would tweet at me um furiously and be like and i'd be like who's this asshole right why don't you speak it up But that's East Coast, but that's East Coast. You and I are East Coast. That's why we love to go back and forth with these kind of things and then go get a beer. That's right. That's kind of how it works. That's right.
Starting point is 01:15:31 Matt Sinister McHale. Beth Snyder. What does you say? Beth, what? Beth, that's, Beth Snyder, right? Megaloplas, straight to DVD bargain bin next week. Long-leg sequel called Shortlegs, Starring DeVito.
Starting point is 01:15:44 Kit Fisto finds love coming to Disney Plus. It's the best. That was good. He's good. He hit 70 already, John. You hit 70. Nice. Well done.
Starting point is 01:15:52 He's going to do those 70s always tough for people to do. So they're on my birthday show tomorrow's my birthday. They're on my birthday show. So they might have a shot. Griffith, if you had to pick a movie to show aliens the best of what humanity has to offer, what movie would you choose? Forrest Gump?
Starting point is 01:16:10 No, because he's kind of dumb. But he's nobody shows to shows what the heart is all about. It shows what the heart's all about. What's a film where people go? Remember the Titans? People coming together. overcoming their issues to work together yeah i don't know i told me independence day and say please take us out of here um Pete Parker 2288 wolves was a pleasant surprise hey maybe i'm maybe i'm in
Starting point is 01:16:36 the minority john maybe you should watch it maybe you took three days to watch it maybe you should watch it uh i just i just didn't it just look i like watching them together um but so far carlton and pete they dig it uh i'd watch a sequel will either you do a reaction no not going to do reaction to it. I just kind of gave my thoughts here today, but I think that's really, that's probably it. And John, I don't know if John's going to do reaction to it. You're asking? To which one, the wolves? Wolves. Yeah, I've been, as I said, the last few weeks, I've been thinking about starting a show called reviews and rumors where I can put all my reviews on there, because rotten tomatoes told me that I can no longer use my tweet reviews or my Instagram reviews as
Starting point is 01:17:16 official reviews for their thing. So I have to put it on video on the on the on the online issue. But some of those movies are small. They're not going to do well. So why not do a whole show and then see what happens from there? At least I can cite that show on Rotten Tomatoes. So we'll see. Well, yes boy, which comic story would you like to see live action? They've already done it, but I'd like to say I really want to see them do spawn again. I want to see spawn. Oh yeah. Yeah. Kingdom Come is always my choice. And I know the animated one is coming. I think they're going to do it. I think they're going to take out and take elements of and lead up to it, right? I hope so. That would be awesome. I am Jack's 12. Given how disjointed the Ackleid's story felt the entire season,
Starting point is 01:17:54 is there any chance the show was reshot in its entirety and then Frankenstein together into this monstrosity? Is there any chance? Of course. There's a chance. And John, you happen to think that that's what happened, right? Well, I do. 100%. I think Faloni went in there, made some changes. They reshot some stuff because there's so much incongruent stuff happening throughout that show that is frustrating. so many teases and potential of and it's almost like when you watch solo you can see what the some of the intentions of lord miller were and then what ron howard came over and tried to mask over in the reshoots and that's so frustrating it's like watching the jos weeden justice league you can see the snider bones in that film but he flushes it out in his version whereas weeden tries to do some kind of Frankenstein thing there so yeah you can always see it when you're watching movies and or shows
Starting point is 01:18:44 have that issue and i think the same thing happened here uh mad sinister mccall i had a w tf dream after watching schmodeown roka chased a dollar general shoplifter out of the store both of them were attacked by a tiger both of them made it a lot made it out of it congratulations rocca i'm proud of you you did it you fought a tiger and you and you beat it and you're almost you're four away from 80 you son of a bitch howdy saw john and matt in london this is from luke TG1 TTV. Christian, when is the UK tour with the whole crew? Keep up the great work.
Starting point is 01:19:17 Great to see your channel growing. Thank you. And I'm trying. And I think that one, the answer to that question is the same that has always been. And that's, I've got to be able to actually make it work for budget-wise. I've got to get a sponsor for it. It's like I've got to be able to fly people out to it. And it's also, you've got to see exactly what you guys would want in a live show.
Starting point is 01:19:39 Like, so I don't know yet. I've kind of put the live show idea on hold for a little bit, but that's not to say. Look, I'm a stand-up comedian at my heart, man. I always want to be on stage with people and do some stuff too. So it's there. It's the idea is there. I would love to do a show with John again live. I think that would be great.
Starting point is 01:19:57 Probably so much fun. Even it was just like, you know, if you and I decided to do it, in the same way that me and Dan did a show. Yeah, yeah. Like just me and you doing a show and doing kind of like this, we could definitely do that. I think that would be fun. And then maybe even because I do this five days a week, maybe there's one show with you. Maybe there's one show with Roxy. Maybe there's one show with
Starting point is 01:20:14 Mike. So it could be fun. It doesn't necessarily have to be everybody. It could just be people from different parts. If you, if you know, I'll throw something out to you. If, you know, that show we do, I know it's edited that show we do at the end of the year, but me, you and Dan doing a live show. Yeah, it's not a bad idea. About our favorite movies of the year. That could be a lot of fun at at like flappers or someplace or someplace bigger with 200, 300, 300 people that could see it. I think we'd sell it out. It's not a bad idea at all. It's just a matter of because it's, look, it's September. So I have to start moving the ball on it. All right.
Starting point is 01:20:42 You need at least two months to be able to do it to do it. But it's actually, I wish you would brought that up to me earlier. I'm sorry. Sorry. Okay, so let's see. So Joe's your fault. It's like my wife. True.
Starting point is 01:20:55 Shea Markle. Awesome shirt, Roka. I was a 13 Bravo in the Army for six years. I painted the Autobot and Decepticon logos on the CBC helmets inside of our howitzer. That's awesome. Dude, respect. That's pretty cool. That's pretty cool.
Starting point is 01:21:09 I wish I thought that far ahead. when I was serving. So respect. It's pretty great. Yes, boy, follows up. It says, Christian, after watching that Matt Sarah podcast, Ray Longo really does look like an extra from the Sopranos.
Starting point is 01:21:20 Could have been cast in The Penguin. I loved Ray Long. So I got a chance to meet Ray Longo before I even knew Matt Sarah. I met him at, like, I think it was Vegas before one of the fights, and I approached him, and he was awesome.
Starting point is 01:21:34 Great guy. We talked boxing, talking about other stuff. And then now I've become pretty good friends with Matt. And so Ray Longo was his second guest. Ray Longo is the fucking man, dude. He's the man. He's like, he's just such a good. You can see, they're Rocky and Mickey.
Starting point is 01:21:49 They really are Rocky and Mickey. He was this. And now he's got four champions now. He just had another champion. Right. Yeah, Mahat. And so he is. He's straight out of any,
Starting point is 01:22:01 and the way he talks about like the neighborhood. It's a great. If you guys haven't seen that episode with Sarah and Ray Longo on the greatest gangster movies, you should watch. It's on Matt's channel. It's so, so good. Approaching 5,000 subscribers on that channel now. Nice.
Starting point is 01:22:14 Yeah. So Derek Johnson, I 100% think Lucasfilm is to blame because Disney took over Predator and Aliens franchises. They can put out dark stories. This team hasn't been able to consecutively pay off, consecutive playoffs or won a championship in too long. Off movies don't count. Yeah, we're singing the same tune, my friend.
Starting point is 01:22:31 Derek is 100% right. So you can, like I said, they have partial blame because they're the ones that are greenlighting it. the ones giving notes, they're the ones putting money behind it. They're partially to blame. But when people always go, oh, this is what happens with Disney Star Wars. They didn't say that. They don't, because when Endgame doesn't do, who doesn't, breaks all the records,
Starting point is 01:22:49 and Avatar breaks all the records, and I go, yeah, Disney. They go, yeah, Cameron, they go, yeah, Rousseau, and yeah, Marvel. They don't ever say, yeah. No, they'll never get. That's just the, you know, it's the thankless job of what they do. So I don't know. Let's see. Tim Sim, do we smell a lawsuit coming with this amount of money spent on a, I don't know,
Starting point is 01:23:07 censored on Roka? so won't oh on acclite is that what it is i don't know i don't know what it is since our roken will yell at me again i already know given to dismal viewership or not do we smell a lawsuit coming with this amount of money spent on why would we see it why would we see it why would we see yeah why would we see a lawsuit though i don't know i guess i don't understand the question totally but like no there's no i mean i don't know i'm not sure i'm not sure so let's see sherlock 277 christian on last week's show with roxy you talked about how the internet tends to call out movies from the 80s and 90s is problematic why do you think that has become
Starting point is 01:23:39 a trend because of the generation it's it's it's the generations like there's that i saw there there was the what's it now it's generation z is that where is that yeah z is the new one it's one generation's i don't know which whatever generation z is very vocal about everything and it's there was a whole article it's so generation z person wrote about uh american pie and now american pie was problematic and and pretty pretty yeah current generation generation alpha which is born between 2010 to 2020. But at Z, the one is a complaint about everything. And I think pretty woman is problematic, and all these movies are problematic.
Starting point is 01:24:16 It's like, you know, you go through, it's times or different times. And could you get certain movies made today? No, but it's different to do it. But I just, I hate going retroactively and saying like, oh, this is, you can't watch this. This is a problem. This is like, I hate it. I hate it. And maybe it's because that's the Generation X.
Starting point is 01:24:33 I don't know, but I hate it. No, you're right. Two things can be true. One, there can be problematic to the people who are watching them now. Yeah. Those of us who love it, we can watch the movie. It's still accept the problematic aspects and still enjoy it and love it. So you can hate it.
Starting point is 01:24:47 We'll let you hate it. Let us still enjoy it. Right. It's just what works. Yeah, but I still hate the articles. Exalted 10 started the Mr. McMahon doc last night. As a lifelong wrestling fan, I've only seen him in character on TV and Red Stories about him online. I was very, this is from Exalted 10, by the way.
Starting point is 01:25:03 And I was very surprised to see him be very articulate and well, spoken. Oh yeah. I mean, look, he was a very smart dude. He was just a creep on the loose. You don't seduce all those dudes and I don't mean in a sexual way. I mean like all those people to give up their contracts in separate territories to come
Starting point is 01:25:20 be a part of your fledgling venture that you don't know if it's going to work unless you've got some kind of charm or charisma and intelligence that these guys and ladies eventually gravitate to. This is my favorite. Somebody who clearly has not been watching the show in like months said train off Broadway. Harleason
Starting point is 01:25:36 East Coast now, someone who has been watching the show probably four or five months. But welcome back. Roman Fedorak. Hey guys, first off, John, thank you for being a part of this awesome podcast that I look forward to every day. Roman is like the nicest human being in the world. Second question, I saw Transformers one last
Starting point is 01:25:52 night, thought it was awesome. Love the world building. I think that was it. The world building was so good. So, so good. I had a great time with the movie. I just didn't buy the Megatron turn as strongly as I was hoping. But other than that, I thought the film was a lot of fun. I liked that.
Starting point is 01:26:07 I thought Hemsworth was good, too. I like the turn. Derek goes in a little bit more support. Thank you. I thought it was great. I'm telling you, it was one of my favorite Transformers movies. I just loved it.
Starting point is 01:26:16 So Derek Johnson, I watched the Transformers movie, and all I could think is why the hell couldn't they do this in live action? I mean, dying for a story like this with no humans. What's so funny about that is that Lorenzo DiVanavon and Tora, although he probably changed his tune now that it didn't do very well, he was saying that the next live action movie they were going to tune back on the humans,
Starting point is 01:26:33 which I've been calling for since 2007 for them to tune back on the stupid humans and they're not going to. They're probably now think this is a problem. You know what my two cents are get rid of Lorenzo de Bonaventura. That's the guy. You want Transformers to go next level, go, become successful, go get reborn again. You get rid of Lorenzo de Bonaventura and get another producer who is younger, who is more understanding what the tastes are of kids nowadays and not lost in the old man stuff
Starting point is 01:27:00 that Lorenzo is and go. And that's how you get it across. find another young up-and-coming filmmakers got some films underneath his belt or her belt to come in and do some great new things with that property and that franchise. I don't disagree with you, but the only thing is I have a soft spot in my heart for Lorenzo
Starting point is 01:27:19 because I met him a few times and he's a very nice guy. And I was actually, so before I got my job working for Joel Silver, I interviewed at the depotumint tour. And I made it to a couple different rounds. The final round, I was sitting in the room and he walked in. and he walks in, he looks over, and he, instead of going into his office, he makes a right turn, and he goes, hey, I'm Lorenzo.
Starting point is 01:27:40 And I said, and I was, I was super young at the time, but he went out of his way to come over and, and Joel, on the other hand, would just shoot past, even working there for two and a half years. Just like, you know, what did you think of the movie? Who are you? You don't get tickets at a party. So, yeah. Look at my gut. Yeah, Joel was a character, man. But anyway, here we go. Tim Sim, for those. Those who know my take on the Star Wars shows, even I'm scratching my head on how much money was wasted on. Especially others I know who enjoyed it, are dismayed hearing this news.
Starting point is 01:28:13 I think that that's the thing, is that we made it very clear, and that's why I wanted to address what Mike Joyce had said in the beginning of the show, was that this wasn't about crapping on the act line. This is about saying, how does this happen? How does this get approved? More so, nothing about the show itself, but how does it approach?
Starting point is 01:28:30 Even people who liked the show. Like, you find like it's, staunch supporters, and you're going to have a conversation with any people who love this show. My first question would be to them, okay, I'm glad you love the show, and I'm glad that you dig it, and you want to keep watching it, and you want a second season. But how do you justify the $230 million? That's the answer I'd like to see them saying. I don't know what it would be because you look at Tim.
Starting point is 01:28:57 Tim liked it. He can't justify it. No. Yeah. Exactly. It's too much. Derek says, John, I also follow you on Twitter. Should I DM you about the Comic-Con tickets?
Starting point is 01:29:07 Also, I wouldn't feel right without giving you some kind of payment. Oh. Remember you told them that? Don't worry about it. But yeah, DM me. We'll figure it out. It's a wild way. Remember, it's all the last Comic-Con just ended like two months ago.
Starting point is 01:29:21 We had a while to go, brother. Yeah. Mad Sinister McCall. Allegedly Disney money from investor Walter White. That's not great. Okay, what happened? This is a great question. Hank Pim,
Starting point is 01:29:33 what are your thoughts on Dane Dahan? I thought he would be a megastar after Chronicle, but over time he sort of faded away. I'm glad he popped up in Oppenheimer. It's a great con. I thought Dane DeHan was going to be huge. He barely popped up in Oppenheimer. He barely,
Starting point is 01:29:47 that just shows you the team, the aspect, right? Because he was in Spider-Man with the Andrew Garfield movies, and that never panned out the way that he thought it was going to be. Dane Dahan is a great actor, But yeah, he just hasn't crossed over to that side.
Starting point is 01:30:04 I thought it was good in dumb money, one of the most recent. What was he? Okay, so I loved that movie. Yeah. What was he in that? I don't remember. He's one of the guys who was investing in the money.
Starting point is 01:30:17 Like one of the dudes who were there. I'm sure he was. Yeah. I'm sure he was. But that's, I hate that I don't remember that he was in it. But I kind of do. Well, I think it's a matter of, look, he had that, the Chronicle thing was great.
Starting point is 01:30:29 They made him. Harry Osborne in the Spider-Man thing, and he just didn't get over. And so now he's gone to these other places, and he's done much more TV like the stranger and the staircase. I hope he has a resurgence. Maybe as he gets older, there'll be parts that open up for him. Speaking of Mike Joyce, half my theater walked out of Megalopoulos, last time a movie I saw that had many walkouts was Bruno. What was the last movie you went to that, how many walkouts? I don't remember.
Starting point is 01:30:57 Yeah. The theater was probably had six people in it. Right. To be fair. I don't know. I don't know. I can't remember a lot of, the only ones that I always remember walking out was when Ellis and I,
Starting point is 01:31:08 we, Ellis and I had one, we had an agreement that we could, during the Schmo's era, that we would walk, we were both given one movie per year that we were allowed to walk out of. Wow.
Starting point is 01:31:19 Yeah, and sex in the city, too, we both used it at the same time. It's brutal that movie. So brutal. I think Battle Los Angeles was the last time. Oh, really? Out of a movie. I didn't mind that movie.
Starting point is 01:31:30 I didn't mind that one. So yeah, I'm not sure. I don't remember the last one that had that many walk out. John, you hit 90 already, man. You're approaching Winston. You're approaching Winston records right now. Thank you guys.
Starting point is 01:31:40 You're approaching Winston. Wow. That's very kind. This is now become, could be historic. We had 15 more. You're going to tie Winston. Hank Pim, do you guys have any actors like that for you? Which ones?
Starting point is 01:31:53 What was the question? Oh, man. Thoughts on Dane DeHan, I guess. Or who I thought was going to pop. and didn't pop afterwards. I'm sure we really kind of dove into it. I'd be able to figure out. Sure.
Starting point is 01:32:07 I mean, Eric Bona, Josh Lucas, there's so many. You know, Sam Worthington? Speaking of Eric Bona, you know, I'm going to steal my brothers, but I never thought, my brother thought that she was going to pop, and I said, no, I don't think so. Diane Kruger. Oh, yeah, Kruger. He thought after Troy, she was going to be like the next huge star,
Starting point is 01:32:27 and I said, I don't think so. And then the Cali Kid. Thoughts on the substance? It's in my top five of 2024. I still haven't seen it. I hear nothing. There's been no one that has said anything with great things about that movie.
Starting point is 01:32:41 So no, I haven't seen it yet, but not sure. Derek Johnson is a combination to catch up on stuff this week. Yeah. Are we excited about the John Wick spin-off ballerina? I got to say, Atomic Blonde with Charlie's felt so much more impactful. I am in the minority where I didn't love that movie,
Starting point is 01:32:57 the Atomic Blonde. I like the staircase scene. It was fine. I didn't love that movie. I was disappointed by that movie. I thought she was great and it, didn't love it. I have to tell you that I thought that the ballerina trailer was a lot better than I was expecting it to be. Yep, I agree with that.
Starting point is 01:33:12 I thought it was pretty great. I like Enid d'Armus, and I will tell you, besides just being an absolute gorgeous woman, she pulled off. Because there was another action movie she was in where I didn't buy it. I buy it in this. I totally buy it. This is, yeah. It was like what you saw in the James Bond movie for the 10 minutes she was in it, they extended it out into a whole movie here in this trailer.
Starting point is 01:33:36 And I thought the trailer, I agree with you, I expect this trail to be terrible. And this trailer was actually a lot of fun. It was really good. Because from what I heard from a couple of sources, it's not testing well. So maybe they re-shot it. So maybe they made some changes. And now this is what we're getting. They definitely tied it and felt like inside the world, obviously,
Starting point is 01:33:54 by bringing Ian McShan or obviously Canter Reeves. Jossfos. Love the show, guys. My favorite interviewee was Roca and Don Johnson. Classic. That's the best. It's the best. I wish I could interview him.
Starting point is 01:34:07 He's back on a Renaissance with Rebel Ridge and that new show on ABC. I would love to interview him again. And bring that clip up again? Yeah, bring the clip up again. Because he rolled with it so well. It was hilarious. John basically told him that he was talking about his daughter. I totally forgot that it was his daughter.
Starting point is 01:34:25 Absolutely hilarious. And I was just mentioning how she became famous because she walked in those Stanford panties. And he was like, hey, hey, hey. So I thought that was a really great. By the way, that interview was only supposed to be 30 minutes. And he stayed on for an hour. That's great. Luke TG1.
Starting point is 01:34:38 Was that live in person or was on the phone? No, it was on the phone. But it was, you know, when I was at collider. John, you got a shot to break Winston's record here. I mean, you're at 99. You're at 99. I check if a cinema is full before I booked the ticket. If it becomes busy near the time, I'll cancel the booking.
Starting point is 01:34:55 I can't trust anyone or to be polite. I couldn't agree with you more. It's so bad. I was groaning to myself every time a new person walked into the theater yesterday. I couldn't stand it. Derek putting in it a little bit more.
Starting point is 01:35:08 Thank you so much. Derek? Once again, RIP did it. Kame Mottumbo. Yeah, it's a really, really sad movie. Super, super young. That's horrible. Yeah. Ian Davis.
Starting point is 01:35:21 Of these actors, who do you think will go down as the best of all time. Decaprio, Christian Bale, Brad Pitt, Downey Jr., Tom Cruise. I think Tom Cruise will go down as the biggest movie star out of all of them. Yeah. Best actor, bail. I say DeCaprio. Is the best actor?
Starting point is 01:35:41 Of those five, I would say he'll go down as the best actor. I think the argument would be worth having. Yeah, I agree. It would be a fun argument to have. I feel Bail's a little bit more of a commitment. million than DeCaprio is, but I could see it. But I think bail is very much like, look at me, look what I've done. Or is Decaprious much more.
Starting point is 01:36:02 John, you'll love this. There's an Oscar host suggestion I think you're going to enjoy. Zach Levi as Oscars host. Pete Parker, P. Parker 22A8, followed it by Derek Johnson. Roca is so right. Vince is a sociopath. He may not abused his kids like he states how he was abused, but he damn sure took it out on the wrestlers in more ways.
Starting point is 01:36:24 one. Also, Hulk Hogan is a shitbird, Fem. He finally admits in the documentary that he screwed Jesse over on the... Hogan does? Yep. He has never admitted that until the documentary. He finally admitted it? Yeah, totally did. Yeah, I go with Vince.
Starting point is 01:36:40 I ride and die. He'd be... And he admits that he screwed the government over in the steroids trial and essentially said, I did that for Vince because I ride and die with Vince. Derek's putting a little more support there. Thank you, Derek. I heart, people. Have you guys seen the film Happiness with Philip Seymour Hoffman.
Starting point is 01:36:56 If not, go in blind and have a therapist on Speeddial. I haven't. You? Yeah, I saw that back when I was into my indie stuff. Brut. That is rough, rough film. Yeah. Because I think he's a pedophile who calls and has a conversation on the phone. He's like, oh my God, what is happening here?
Starting point is 01:37:12 Yeah, I can't do it. You can't do it. Wayne Edwards. Good morning, gents. I saw Megalopoulos on Friday night. I have to say, I was disappointed by it. But there are nuggets of interesting ideas. I feel like there is a longer cut of this film somewhere. Longer?
Starting point is 01:37:29 God, I hope not. I don't know. We'll say I got to see the movie. Derek Johnson, between this doc and all the dark side of the ring documentaries, my childhood romance and nostalgia for that old school wrestling is so, so worn down. Jesse Ventura is still cool man, had on a neon pink in the 80s. I love Jesse. Did you see the interview that Van Vleet did with Jesse?
Starting point is 01:37:49 I haven't seen all of it, but I did see the clips where they brought in, Carrying Cross to imitate him and Jesse rolled with it so well and he also with any brought in but then he had will sassel call him right afterwards oh did he I didn't see that point he'd watch it's pretty speaking of carrying cross he's a he's a big Matt sarah guy we're trying to get him on the show you should you know I want it's scarlet on the show who scarlet his wife who's also valet and wrestler uh jamesb yo what up fellas peace from detroit i've been watching you both since collider days first super chat goes to you christian happy that's very kind of you thank you so much and really appreciate that um that's very very nice of you and
Starting point is 01:38:23 And thank you for watching and thank you for contributing. John Ashford. Good day, gents. I'm thinking Victor on Penguin might become Victor says as. Thoughts? Victor, no. Hell no. He's not going to become a villain.
Starting point is 01:38:37 He's going to become a hero. Trust me on this. The way they're setting it up, the way they're setting up this codependent toxic relationship, he is going to break away from Penguin. And I think become one of the heroes in the DC universe. I just don't know which one. It's Halloween time.
Starting point is 01:38:50 This is from Wayne Edwards. It's Halloween time. And I'm not a horror fan. and I can't do major gore or zombies. However, I like certain types. Like, it follows and talk to me. Do you have any suggestions along those lines? I mean, conjuring, obviously.
Starting point is 01:39:02 I bring the conjuring up on those. And I like that's more my speed. I like the more kind of psychological thrillers. And I don't think that there's a lot of gore in, what, long legs, which I just watch is more very 70s. So. Section 9 is another one that if you haven't seen session 9, talk about having a therapist on speed dial afterwards.
Starting point is 01:39:24 It's an incredible film, a horror film. Derek says, that's my point. It was so last minute, if he was a megastar like that, you know it would have been planned. Vince is a psycho where when he's ever doing that with no planning. Yeah, he definitely planned out a lot of stuff. That's exactly why I think that he's, there's more stuff that's going to come out about that character. A. Silva 88.
Starting point is 01:39:44 It's not Barbenheimer, but of the big movies, Dune 2, that has the best chance to win the Oscar. Do you agree? And will that help viewership any other ones? I hope June 2 has a It's the biggest thing besides it being a science fiction film Also came out in March
Starting point is 01:40:01 That's a problem So I hope I would I would It's still my favorite movie the year There's nothing that's going to touch that movie It's my favorite movie the year And I don't think that it's going to win But I do think it's going to be nominated for Best Picture Yeah a lot of people are talking about
Starting point is 01:40:16 Anora and the Brutalist and Conclave So we're just about to enter into The Oscar season as we're just about to enter into the Oscar season as we go into the fall in October as tomorrow I think starts. So like there's going to be films that are going to come out that will eclipse Dune 2. I don't think Dune 2 will win best picture, even though I think it should damn well be nominated. I think there are other
Starting point is 01:40:37 films that the critics are going to want to see win best picture. But if any big feature film with an IP and a franchise behind it has a shot, Dune 2 certainly does, especially in the year like this. Chris. grain air that p daddy list is p ditty list is going to create huge shockwraves in hollywoods and politics nationally and globally of true up to a hundred and two names yeah it's going to be it's going to be wild bro they're going to kill him and there's no way you think so oh yeah kim
Starting point is 01:41:07 kardashin is already sending cease and desist letters to youtubeers and uh social media people who are putting up videos of her at ditty's parties wow lebron they're they're finding old stuff with lebron being connected to the there's no way this many high profile people are going to allow their brands to be stained if they were or were not part of this. So I think they're going to find a fail second how to do it. I don't know. His attorney came out and said there's an even more high profile person than did he on the video. I heard that. Derek Johnson, did I miss something or did Harold eating crayon say something crazy again? Yeah, you check it out and Google him out.
Starting point is 01:41:43 Derek also says, just trying to help out John with some support to break the record. And John, I will tell you, you've already broken the record. 112 today. Now, you can send that to Winston after he was gloating to you. I think that that was last time that you were on a heat. John has broken the record today
Starting point is 01:42:04 with 112, so we still have a little bit to go before we're out of here. So top three Swedes, this is from Alexander Bloom. Top three Swedes in movie history, Ingmar Bergman, Leslie Helmstrom, Ingrid Burman, Gregor Garbo, Rebecca Ferguson, Amy Rapache, Alicia Vikander,
Starting point is 01:42:18 Max von Seidel, Stormor, the Scar guards Joel Kinnon. Those are, those are some good ones. And that's a very kind super chat. So thank you very much. Those are really good ones. I don't know the top three. I'll tell you, I'm becoming more and more of a Rebecca Ferguson fan every time. I mean, we just mentioned Dune. I love her. Absolutely love her in Dune. But would you put anybody who, and the Scarscars cards are great. Would you put, I put their dad. Yeah, Stellen is absolutely in the top of the king. I think you'd have to. Stellen's the king. Oh, yeah. You left off Dolf Lungard. How did you? Oh, yeah, for sure.
Starting point is 01:42:49 How dare you leave off Dolph Longren? The Cinema Corner, Rings of Power, Season 2 has been fantastic. I hope it is. I just couldn't get into it. I didn't try to get into season 2 because I didn't like one. But did you go back or no? Not yet. I will at some point.
Starting point is 01:43:04 I will. Trust me. A, industrial. Question for Roca, or should I say Rocha? Why not truly embrace your true last Hispanic name? What do you mean? I don't know. I don't know what that means.
Starting point is 01:43:18 I don't either. The Sundown Club. Who would you cast as Kyrgin in the new Highlander movie with Henry Cavill? Oh, man. I don't remember it well enough to say that was the Clancy Brown role, right? The Colby Brown character? I think so. It's a Clancy Brown one.
Starting point is 01:43:31 So I'm not sure who I... You know who is... Tom Hollande's... Tom Hardy's a good one. But you know who I like? Speaking of Deadpool is... What's his face? Oh, shoot.
Starting point is 01:43:44 The first... Ed's crying. Oh! I think he was the best part of the Rebel Moon, too. I think he was pretty good in that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:43:52 Yeah. Yeah, he was. He was. Yeah, he was. And Deadpool. First Deadpool, right? Yeah, so I'm saying. First, that's, yeah, Korean emperor.
Starting point is 01:44:01 Y'all and everyone convinced me Disney is right. Star Wars is now for kids. Sans and or I've aged out of it. Hopefully the next generation that falls in love with this version creates amazing stories in the future. What an adult, what an adult comment that was? Yes, it was. I wish more people would be like that. Chris Grineer.
Starting point is 01:44:18 970 watching lives. and only 260 likes do better. Agreed. Yeah, and some more support from Derek. We are now, I mean, Winston's going to be pissed because Roka's now blowing him out of the water. And then Juan Visuals, thoughts on new. Remember the live show?
Starting point is 01:44:36 He's used to. That's true. He brought that up last time. Nosferatu trailer. Is that, I didn't see that. It just came out. We were doing the show. Oh, did it?
Starting point is 01:44:46 Okay, so I have to watch it. And then Grim Arr just says, I love the show. Thank you so much. I'm really glad the support, and I'm going to give credit to Roku, which I don't do often. I'll give him some credit. I know he doesn't. No, I don't.
Starting point is 01:44:55 So the reason I'm giving him some credit is because I was not really looking to do live shows ever again. John called me up, was like, hey, I want to do a show together, man, let's do something together. I was like, I don't really know what I have. You can't come here in San Diego and this and then. He's like, well, why don't we do this live? I go, I don't really want to do live.
Starting point is 01:45:12 I said, I want to do one live show, and I'll just maybe me and you do live on Mondays. And John was very generous with his time and was able to do it. And we started doing, and I think it's because of that live show, it showed me that, oh, hey, live shows can work again and now we're live every day. So I'll give credit to John in that one. Somebody mark this down. Yeah, I wasn't recording. I wasn't recording. Derek Johnson, F it, I can't let a fellow military vet not be the top of the scoreboard.
Starting point is 01:45:37 So he's really, he's on now, Derek's trying to push you over the, he's going to push you over. But there's so many other people helping out to today. Unheard Sirens Incorporated. Speaking of Dean DeHont, I want to see him play Bowie in a proper biopic. thoughts he'd be great as bowie he'd be great as boy that'd be a that'd be a really really good one i like the johnny flynn one but i think dain de han would be an interesting david boy for sure yeah i like pete parker 28 what's the issue with the american pie the can't the camera scene yeah people had issues with the with the fact that the you know Sharon the what's her name i gotta remember
Starting point is 01:46:10 oh my god oh my god the the hot exchange dude oh the alexander alexander what's her name oh my god i can't remember her name um but i can't remember her name but i an aunt sand or isn't that what it is is it no i don't think that wrong no i think you're wrong yeah i don't think you're wrong but uh chananelizabeth chanel is Elizabeth close shennon elizabeth was that scene was the one people were complaining about so and then i'm just and derrick i hope you there doesn't mind what i'm just highlighting his support comments yeah chris daniel what's a must watch during the halloween season i mean i think the first halloween right I think now
Starting point is 01:46:50 We'rewolf by night on the MC on Disney Plus. It's going to. And nightmare before Christmas. Aaron, the creative, do we get a Miles Morales movie after Secret Wars?
Starting point is 01:47:01 I think they're going to lead up to that. Yeah, totally. I do think they're going to lead up to that for sure. Tom Holland is going to be done being Spider-Man very, very soon.
Starting point is 01:47:07 Yep. The Dart, 005, waiting for Harloff to hit 160K subs. Subscribe. You and me both. Yeah. And then, Matt.
Starting point is 01:47:16 Can we get me to 50K? Come on, everybody. For real. For real. Matt McCluskey. It's putting in 999. Thank you so, Matt. Thank you, Matt. So many people here supporting the show and supporting us in general. I really, really appreciate it.
Starting point is 01:47:28 Can Jaden Daniels keep it up? Caleb Williams, who? We'll see. Yeah, I mean, it depends. Jaden, though, has been playing incredibly. And the way that he is already kind of like grasped the concepts of the game at a pro level, I know people don't want to say this name, but it reminds me a lot of Caitlin after the Olympic break,
Starting point is 01:47:47 how she absolutely was a different player and the WMBA grasping the speed and the pace of the game. Jaden already four games in looks so in command of this offense. But again, it's only four games in and we'll see what happens. But it's nice to see it because 30 years we've had crap quarterbacks as a fraudgy three. And so it's nice to see him stepping in. We will see. Okay, let's see. So we've got a couple more here too.
Starting point is 01:48:13 The next one is Chris Graneer. my old ass moment was great but needed more brett oh i can did you see that moment what happened on the uh with you know that movie with yeah did you see did you see what roxy said roxy strayer about that you know so the movie my oldest with uh with uh oh that with obri plaza so roxy on uh on a clipout said um she goes you know i want to talk about the main guy in my old ass and i started laughing because the and it was She's like I heard it. I heard it. It was really good. It was really good. All right. Villeneuve Who says? Oh, yeah. Didn't he actually put in a super chat? No. Ewk. Yeah, Ewk. Villeneuve says he's done with Dune after Messiah, but is open to another filmmaker continuing the films. Which director do you think should take over? Nobody. I don't want to see anybody else take over. I don't know if I don't want to see anybody else take over. I really don't. I mean, maybe. Movies at this scale, Christian. I mean, I'll find.
Starting point is 01:49:13 Bonzo, Coran, maybe? Yeah, maybe. Maybe. But I know, I don't, I don't, I don't want to see anybody touch it. I don't want to see anybody touch, Dune. Like, leave it alone after the third one. Leave it alone. Okay.
Starting point is 01:49:26 So, you already did it, Eric. Derek said, what do I have to do to beat this record? You did it. The record is at 124. It's the most we've ever gotten. Wow. The most we've ever gotten. So, and he annihilated Winston by like almost 20.
Starting point is 01:49:41 I never thought. I didn't everything once in the record was going to be beaten. I was wrong. And with my birthday tomorrow, who knows? Maybe it'll maybe you, 124 will have to be broken. And then Derek Johnson, I'm glad to be done sending this.
Starting point is 01:49:55 Well, thank you, Derek. And then Philly G. This isn't a spoiler, but there's a scene from episode two of the penguin where Oz has an interaction with a car, and I've never felt more seen than what he has to deal with a dumb driver. Is there something pretty great, John?
Starting point is 01:50:09 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm looking forward to it. Eyeheart. I heart at Bativa. More support from the artist formerly known as elusive rock. Well, thank you. He's great. Thank you so much.
Starting point is 01:50:20 Very kind. Pete Parker, 2288, happy early birthday. Please let big balls out tomorrow. I probably have to. Are you going to be on the show tomorrow? Yeah. Even though it's your birthday. Yeah, dude, I've got to work.
Starting point is 01:50:31 And you know how it goes. Respective. No, I know. I do know. Yes. Yeah, so we'll see. All right. What's you thinking about it, Broca?
Starting point is 01:50:40 Yeah, John Woka. That's right. Come on, man. You want somebody to shit? Me and you, baby. You know you like it. You climb back into Zachary Levi's ass and get out of here. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:50:52 Yeah, you heard me. You're going to chuck me? You're going to chuck me? Farred into the boards. I put a purple crayon up your asshole. Come on, baby. Shazam this, punk ass, bitch. Damn, he's coming after you.
Starting point is 01:51:04 Wow. Yeah, he's coming out. I like when you guys go after each other. Thanks, Nick Vaughn, putting something in there. Saul. Hey. Why did Cine? manipulates the footage edit from the over the edge knight owen died it was one of the most
Starting point is 01:51:17 manipulative things i've ever seen in a dock what what did he do well uh he claims that they claim in the dock that there was blood in the ring and the blood was owens but it actually a number of wrestlers came out afterwards like hardy's thing came out and said no that wasn't owens it was our blood because we had some it had a wrestling match and so they kind of tried to make that point and look i get it It's a bit of a flubbing, but the point overall was the fact that Vince still went forward with a pay-per-view after one of his wrestlers died at the beginning of a paper view. And I remember watching it live in Tallahassee at the bar there watching it live when it happened. And I remember feeling sick to my stomach watching that paper.
Starting point is 01:51:58 And they kept it going, right? Yeah, they kept going. So yeah. That's tough. Nick Vaughn, big fan of both of you guys. Thank you, Nick. Thank you, Nick. And Derek says, you don't have to highlight them, just supporting you guys.
Starting point is 01:52:08 Thank you, man. The Callie Kid. I'll defend Megalopoulos. I loved it. It's fantastic. I mean, look, you know he's going to find somebody who loves it. I hope that I'm with him. I hope that I'm like, what are they talking about?
Starting point is 01:52:19 I want to enjoy it. Yeah, great Strandoff liked it. I don't know if that means I'll like it, but somebody did. Benny, who's your favorite male actor of all time? All time? Oh, man, that's so hard. All time. I mean, I put Harrison Ford in there.
Starting point is 01:52:33 I put Gary Oldman in there. Man, those are the two that come to mind right away. Those two. So I'd say if those are the two that come to mind, I'm going to put them in there. I mean, I can't. I can't remove De Niro or Pacino or Brando from the conversation. Those are good conversations. Dennis Hoffman, hey, Roker. I love your channel. I sub for the hot mic, and now I'm watching all of your shows. Thank you, dude. I loved your Rick Roman Wah interview. Many more interviews, please.
Starting point is 01:53:01 I'm trying. I'm trying. You know, I want to get, if I get more subscribers, that helps me to get interviews with these publicists. because they'll see that I have a big platform. So I'm at 35, which is decent for starting out, but I'd love to get to 50 or 100 because that's going to get publicists to pay more attention because I love those interviews. And Rick was great. I hope to interview him again. And if you guys haven't seen Kandahar, that's another film like The Covenant,
Starting point is 01:53:25 which a Christian finally saw. It's a damn good military movie, and Jar Butler is great for that movie. I like that movie. Covenant? Charre Butler's not in the Covenant? No, I'm talking about Candahar. Oh, okay. That's a film to see.
Starting point is 01:53:38 Aaron, the creative, is there still a chance Cavill could be doomed? No, they put too much hoopla on on RDJ right now. They're not going to do that. Derek Johnson, free birthday. Can we just send you one big amount? I mean, hey, it's up to you guys.
Starting point is 01:53:51 No one's asking you to do anything like that. But I think that people, I think there's a way to do it on the freaking super chat where you just say, hey, and then that's it. But I really appreciate it. That's very kind of you. Benny, what do you guys think of a film being made about the Israeli Genocide
Starting point is 01:54:05 of the great director on board? Are you guys familiar with that history? I'm not. Do you? Do you know it? About what? The Syrian genocide? I don't know it, so I couldn't possibly speculate on it.
Starting point is 01:54:14 I don't know. I don't know. Same. I'm not exactly sure. And then I think this is our last one, John. Okay. Fasiel Hedai, who says, I know you guys have been watching movies for your entire lives.
Starting point is 01:54:25 My question is, have you ever had a movie fatigue in general? Movie fatigue? I mean, I can tell you that I've been like, if there's things I need to watch, there's movies I want to watch. I'm like, you know, I don't want. Like, I think I just went through. through it last week. I was like I've watched a lot of great movies and there's a lot of
Starting point is 01:54:39 TV shows. I don't want to watch scripted right now. I just want to watch a documentary or something and I want to watch in like the Delahoya thing. And there's sometimes I'm like, I know I could watch this. I still haven't caught up with the boys. I still haven't seen the boys yet. And I was like, I could go back and watch that app. And I'm like, no, what's enough? So there are times and I'm like, oh, I don't want to invest two hours right now or I just want to watch a TV show. I just want to watch this. But I don't think I've never kind of fallen out of love for watching movies. Yeah, I mean, yeah, exactly. But I think you've got to be. everybody's different, right?
Starting point is 01:55:08 It's like there's the gym nuts who are at the gym all the time, 24-7, just working out all the time. And there are certain people like that in our business who just legitimately want to watch it all, everything and be on top of it all. But for me, just like with the gym, and unfortunately that's kind of how I look sometimes. I go when I'm excited to go when I feel like going.
Starting point is 01:55:26 And same thing in the movies. Like, I love movies to pieces, catching up on all the movies at once. I feel like I'm being forced to do it as opposed to wanting to be drawn to do it. And I do my best work when I'm drawn to do it. And so I go through these moments of or these periods of not necessarily fatigue, but more like I'm going to get around to it when I'm ready to get around to it.
Starting point is 01:55:45 And so I think that's, I'm kind of in that place lately the last few months. So, you know. Well, I lied. Philly G says in the movies happiness, it was Dylan Baker who played the peddress while Hoffman played a different kind of creep. Okay. Okay. Okay. I knew it was a pederast in the film.
Starting point is 01:56:01 Well, thank you, Philly G. for letting us know. And thank you for everybody. Yeah. I don't know. John Roker does what the outlaw does, and John Roker is the new champ. Not only for this week, I don't think anybody, oh, no, now it's 129. Aaron the creative, over or under the Ray movie gets candle, over or under what? But I think, do I think it gets canceled? Yes, I don't think it ever, I don't, I think that they keep Daisy Ridley. And I think Daisy Ridley winds up being in a different movie, whether it's not, if,
Starting point is 01:56:34 This version of the Ray movie changes. It does not come out in 2026. It changes and it does not have the director attached. It completely changes. I think that's correct. I think that's how you have to parse it out. Will they be a Ray movie down the road? Yes.
Starting point is 01:56:51 Will it be directed by Charmino Bay-Chanoi? Will it be written by Travis? No. So that's the way I look at it. I think this particular, as you say, Christian, this particular Ray movie now more and more I feel like is not going to happen. But there will be a Ray movie. down the road at some point.
Starting point is 01:57:05 Yeah, I mean, they have her for a contract, so I think, I think they're going to, I think they might as well use her. And she's, look, she's beloved. She's beloved. I love her. Yes. Derek Johnson just wanted to push you over, so now you're officially at 130. So there you go.
Starting point is 01:57:17 John Roka, oh my God, 131, it's not stopping. I appreciate it, guys. Daniel Breen. Roca, have you seen Transformers won yet? I caught it in Vancouver. I liked it, but then a certain moment made me sit up to pay attention. We need a sequel. Definitely need a sequel.
Starting point is 01:57:32 I hope it catches life on digital. but Rokage, you got a chance to see it, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did. I enjoyed it. Like I said earlier, I enjoyed it, really liked it. Didn't buy the Megatron transformation fully, but I've heard from a couple of people that if you go back and rewatch it more once, you can see the build to it a little more clearly. So we will see if I go back and watch it again, but I did enjoy it. I liked the animation. I thought the performances overall were great. I actually liked Kiga Michael Keyes-Bumbley, which is an issue of my friend Shannon had.
Starting point is 01:58:01 I actually liked him. And so overall, and I thought that final post-crust credit sequence. I thought that was great. So I was like, yeah, let's go. Let's make this happen. I'm excited to see where they go with that. But I'm excited that you guys joined us here today. I'm excited John joined us here today. John got a lot going on your channel, man. What do you got? Head on over there. YouTube.com slash John Roka says the outlaw nations. Just type in the outlaw nation and John Roga. Head on over there, subscribe all kinds of great content going on there. There may be more live shows coming as well on my channel, which I love doing. So please head on over there. We're going to do our penguin review for the geek buddies. We've got the high
Starting point is 01:58:34 Hot mic coming up on Thursday, the Jedi Way, spill the tequila, so much happening on the channel. Plus my reactions and reviews, head over there and have some fun, please. Thank you, Christian. The new champ, John Roker, there he is. So thanks for being part of it. Thanks for playing this game with us. It's a lot of fun, and I love hearing from you guys with the conversation and putting in those questions every day, give us a cool topic.
Starting point is 01:58:55 I like essentially that these are two, it's really two shows in one. We do all of our topics up top. We have all our questions from you guys. You guys bring in new topics. Maybe we even think of. So thank you for that. Really appreciate it. Love you guys get involved. Tomorrow is my birthday show. I'll be here as my actual birthday. I'll be doing it with both Brett Sheridan will be on the show and Roxy Stryor will be on the show. They are back together again and the three of us will be on the show together. So please join us on the show come by and say hello. And we'll be starting a little early tomorrow. Tomorrow will be 1230. Roxie will be joining us about a half an hour late. But Brett and I will start around 1230. So we hope that you guys will join us. Have the. The Deadpool 2 reaction with Sam dropping tomorrow.
Starting point is 01:59:38 We got Deadpool and Wolverine on Friday. Got the Agatha thing coming up with Sadie. And so there's a lot going on here on the channel. So thanks for joining us. Subscribe to it. Appreciate you. And we'll see you on the flip side. Bye.
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