The Kristian Harloff Show - DISHONEST?! UFO HUNTER Says misinformation, conspiracy is UFO hype. Claims there is NO evidence.

Episode Date: January 23, 2024

Become a Patron!: https://www.patreon.com/TheBigThingShow It seems that the more the UFO community pushes for disclosure, the more truth that we try to find, it seems like the stronger, the cover-up begins to unfold. Sean Kirkpatrick, who used to head the UFO Hunter program, for the ARO has recently written an article that seems to discredit not only David Grush, but the entire community that is looking for answers. Her Patrick claims that, it is all fantasized and not based in reality. Is he telling the truth? Is it perhaps a figment of everyone's imagination? Or the countless amounts of military people who have come forward lying? We discussed this and we also dive into new potential UFO footage, but the frustration of yet again grainy video. When will real information come forward? When will real footage come forward?if new hearings take place, who will testify? How much impact will and should they have? Ross heart and Lou Elizondo had their Wikipedia pages falsified. Who did it and why? This and more with Kristian Harloff, Mark Reilly, and special guest Pavel on today's UA Tuesday on the Big Thing.  #uap #ufo #uaptuesday #AARO #NASA #davidgrusch #conspiracy #government AG1: http://www.DrinkAG1.com/BigThing ROCKET MONEY: http://www.RocketMoney.com/BigThing TRADE COFFEE: Jumpstart this year by signing up for a Trade subscription. Right now, Trade is offering a free bag with select subscription plans when you visit drinktrade.com/bigthing PAVEL CHANNEL: https://www.youtube.com/@psicoactivop... OUR MERCH STORE IS LIVE: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/the-... FOLLOW KRISTIAN + FIND HIM ON CAMEO https://cameo.com/kristianharloff https://twitter.com/kristianharloff https://facebook.com/harloff https://instagram.com/kristianharloff AMAZON WISHLIST: https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls...

What's going on everybody? Welcome back to UAP Tuesday on The Big Thing. Thanks for joining us here today. We got a lot to talk about, man. Yes, the conversation is still going on. But it seems to me that when there's a lot of questions that start to get asked, the people who wanted the questions to never be asked are saying, nope, not true, never happened. And they're getting louder and louder, such as the case with Sean Kirkpatrick. Now, Sean Kirkpatrick has been out there talking, saying that while he was part of the AARO, he was saying all these different, he was, he was tasked to find aliens and find UAPs and find UFOs, and he never found nothing. And it was, and people are sensationalizing it, and it's just because people wanted to believe, and there's a lot. We're going to dive into his claims. Now, look, the question is, is he telling the truth? Is he trying to cover it up?

Is he part of a long line of cover up since the, 1940s or is there merit to what he's saying? I think it's fair to have a full on conversation about that. But you look at people who actually are reporting on this and people who are really kind of deep into it. And you look at Ross Colthardt, and you look at someone like Lou Alizondo, who has been very instrumental in getting the information out there as well too.

And they had their Wikipedia pages changed and people were kind of messing with them in general. And what's that all about? Is that part of it? Or is that just a bunch of turds just having fun and change and Wikipedia pages just to screw people up. I don't know. But there's going to be a lot to talk about here today.

There's going to be a lot because there's some more UAP footage. There's some stuff that came out and it's like, what does it all mean? Does it mean that this stuff, because we're going to dive deep into the Shonkerpatry stuff? Does this mean that they're getting nervous or does this just mean, are we sensationalizing this stuff? I don't feel like that's the case, but maybe some people do. All right. Listen, you see that thing floating around?

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What's going on, everybody? Welcome back. UAP Tuesday. Technical difficulties aside, we're here. We made it. Christian Harloff here joined by my friend

co-host Mark Yodius Riley Mark what's up Good to be here Christian known non-expert here We are not experts No No we're just two regular

Regular guys Looking for some transparency Within our own government Asking questions That's it Ask questions with us I'll tell you somebody who is very close to being He probably is very much so

An expert more so than we are but I like having him on because he found us because of the take that we're doing. And then, of course, is journalist Pavel. What's up, Val? How are you? Hey, guys. Thank you for having me again. No, I don't consider myself an expert. I'm obsessed.

Yeah, oh, you're obsessed. Yeah, fair. Totally fair. Well, man, look, we've been talking about this stuff for a bit. You know, and as Riley and I talked about, we discussed. it that there's always news, there's always something going on, and whether it's on Instagram accounts or Twitter accounts or just news in general, and then News Nation, they usually posting stuff at least every day. This, to me, this Sean Kirkpatrick story

is the one that everybody's been talking about the most this week. Is that, would you, would you think that's accurate? Yeah, that and the attacks against several people from the UFO community, journalists and And people who have been at the forefront of disclosure, those are the biggest ones right now. So why don't you break down for those people who don't know, tell us a little about what's going on with the Sean Kirkpatrick of it all. Okay, so remember the Joe Rogan interview of David Grush when he said he was going to do an op-ed and he doubled down on the News Nation interview. and then right after or on the same night that the episode where I appear with you guys premiered, Grush gave like a lecture to people from Wall Street.

And after that, like a couple weeks later, Sean Kirkpatrick wrote an op-ed on the Scientific American publication and basically saying that nothing to see here, folks, we're, We're good. And he even linked to one of the New York Post's journalist who is covering this, who is also a known debunker. And, well, basically agreeing with him on everything he's covering right now. Agreeing with the debunker. Yeah.

And there's like this main story here because people who are like Sean Kirkpatrick and other debunkers are talking about the Skin Walker Ranch and the people who are associated with the Skin Walker Ranch in Utah. And that's where they kind of get lost in this whole UFO topic. Because to be honest with you, this is a topic that I don't even know too much about. I know what's going on there, supposedly. But I get why people get lost in that conversation because Skin Walker Ranch is basically, well, skin walkers and whirlwolves and all kinds of, all sorts of paranormal stuff.

And, well, George Knapp did write a book called Skin Walkers at the Pentagon. And he has been talking about this for decades, basically. And that's where the main point of contention comes. Yeah, I mean, so when, yeah, very right. Well, no, I know. I dove into the Skinwalker Ranch stuff and it is a tall tale I think you can say

and I think what gets lost in the translation into what we're talking about is yeah as you mentioned Pavel werewolves, ghosts, spirits right, right? That's how you lose people quick. You lose people quick and so I think that the debunkers go immediately to there

and completely ignoring the stuff that we're talking about the stuff that's what I find is credible evidence, whether it's the Go Fast video, the Gimble video, the Tick-Tac video, David Grush's testimony, Graves testimony, all the Senate hearing testimony, and they're shining that light on, well, werewolves. Right. You know, and that, and that, again, I believe it takes away from the real conversation that we're trying to have here. Yeah, well, that's to the stigma, right?

So, absolutely. What I want to do is, so the Hill actually broke the, down a lot of this stuff with Sean Kirkpatrick and how the, so what happened also was that Sean Kirkpatrick wrote this entire thing and where I believe it aired SC, I don't know where the hell is this, the Scientific American.com is where he wrote and he said, what I learned as a U.S. government UFO hunter. This is what started all this. It was an article that was written by Sean Kirkpatrick, right, who used to run the AAR,

the Department of the, for the UFO part. Sean Gapartic, the then director of the All Domain Anonymous Resolution Office at the Department of Defense gave a presentation at a public meeting of NASA's unidentified anomalous phenomenon, independent study team on May 31st. That's the picture that when he was talking and he had all those things. But one of the things, though, that stood out to me about this and about how connected he is with NASA and everything, too. And what stood out to me was something that we talked about last week, when Burchett was asked about the hearing. And Burchett was asked about the witnesses that were going to be coming out for the case. hearing. He said, well, I'm not giving you those names again because the last time I did that, they were told not to come. And he goes by and the reporter goes by who? And he said, NASA.

He said, NASA denied it. He's like, but this is what they said. So NASA has found stuff. NASA knows stuff. And NASA and everybody else doesn't want, it seems to me, they're going, there's nobody who takes outside of the people who, it's very similar like just regular politics. who takes Sean Capatrick serious on this like that on the side of people who are asking questions that are paying attention to this the guy just smells like a guy who's he might as well be hanging out with with what's his face Mike Turner I mean that's what it feels like yeah it feels like that to me as well and I don't know yeah he just Pavelle you've sent me some material on it I was I was digging in and he just seems like a nefarious.

Nefarious is a good way to put it. I also feel like it's just so quick to debunk. So quick to say, da, da, da, that, that, nothing's here. Nothing's here. You just want to make this a big thing, but it really isn't. It really isn't. We found nothing. I mean, it just feels like, yeah.

So what is it that you found nothing of? So what does it go deeper? This is the same guy that wrote that, that, he wrote a document with the, who's, Who's the, Pavelle, who's the, our guy who found the gold in the ocean, not the gold. Abbey Loeb. He wrote the thing with the Galileo project. Yes, and he wrote the thing with Avi Loeb. This is the same guy that wrote the thing that said there could be materials out there.

And then he didn't want Avi Loeb to publish this thing. And then he's like, oh, no, no, no, he wasn't supposed to leak that. And then whatever it was, every time, and whoever the reporter was that was interviewing him about at the time, kept like saying, but wait a minute. But you said this and you said that. He's like, oh, no, no, but that was something else. He's always the, it's something else guy. You know what I mean? Yeah.

So what, go deeper, I'm asking. You know, right? Yeah. So what is something else mean? Well, let's get to what the Hill says here first. I want to play this thing from the Hill, and then we'll talk about this on the other side. Here it is. As a wise woman once said, the truth is out there.

But if the U.S. government is to be believed, the truth is that there are no aliens, sad. New article by Sean Kirkpatrick, who's the former director of the Defense Department's All-domain Anomily Resolution Office, asserts that while whistleblowers like David Grush may have wild allegations and claims, they're a bit thin on the evidence. Kirkpatrick wrote in Scientific American that during a full-scale, year-long investigation of the UFO story, which has been told and retold by a small group of interconnected believers and others with possibly less than honest attentions, That's a quote from him, none of whom have first-hand accounts of any of this. Again, quoting from Sean Kirkpatrick, he discovered a few things, and none of them are about aliens, he says.

Nevertheless, Gresh is persisting in his claims that the government is hiding information about visitors from beyond the stars. Here he is on News Nation, previewing an op-ed he plans to publish on the topic. Well, I couldn't be very upfront about my firsthand knowledge until recently. I got some other security approvals through the pre-publication and security review process. And I did have some firsthand knowledge of some specific parts of the program. I'm currently drafting an op-ed that I'm going to release in a few weeks, and I will be discussing what I actually do know firsthand. Now, in this article, he quotes Carl Sagan as saying, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And he basically has a three-prong rationale as to why Kirkpatrick does the author of the Scientific American article, as to why there's just no they are there with respect to aliens.

And I want to ask you what you make of this first one. First, he says, no record exists of any president or a living DOD or intelligence community leader knowing about this alleged program nor any congressional committee having such knowledge. This, he says, should speak volumes if this case were following typical procedure because it is inconceivable that a program of such import would not ever have been briefed to the 50 to 100 people at the top of the USG over the decades of its existence. What do you make of that? Look, cards on the table. I do find it.

skeptical of some of the skepticism, as I've expressed on the show, because there are these sensational claims, which could be true. I don't find the claims implausible on their own, but then there is no follow. Okay, what you're saying, you know someone who knows something, but we can never hear from that person directly. It's like trying to capture a mirage in the desert or something. By the time you get there, it's gone. That's how it feels like dealing with these questions. However, it is exactly columns, written statements from people like Sean Krabatch. here that make me at least want to throw in, cast my lot with the skeptics, because a lot of this kind of makes my eye rolls when he's saying absolutely nothing to see here.

It has a veneer of how dare you question the science, frankly, in this article, like it begins with, in today's world of misinformation, conspiracy-driven decision-making, sensationalist, dominant coverance, all this stuff. Well, okay, those people tend to, who are screaming at you about spreading misinformation, have, to my view, often discounted some genuine information that is not conspiracy, particularly relating to COVID and some other matters. So that makes me skeptical when I'm hearing government agency people yelling at me that asking questions is like somehow participating in a conspiracy theory.

My thoughts on that paragraph are that when he says it should speak volumes that a typical procedure were followed, many people should have known about this. Well, that begs the question whether typical procedure would be followed in an extraordinary case involving extraterrestrial life, depending on what the national security implications are of that sort of discovery. So I didn't find that to be especially compelling. I think that it's very clear that this could be something that is not briefed to the level of the president, that this is something, I think the allegation has always been something that was very much deep state and suppressed and that very few people were privy to. The second argument that he makes is that this narrative has been simmering for years, that it's largely an outgrowth of a former program at the DOD's Defense Intelligence Agency called the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program

that was heavily influenced by a group of individuals associated with this businessman and long-time UFOologist Robert Bigelow, founder of Bigelow Aerospace. And that in 2009, Harry Reid, who's been a big UFO guy interested in figuring the stuff out, So asked the Secretary of Defense to set up a special access program to protect the alleged material, the UFO material, UAP material, that those proponents believed were being hidden. They declined to do so and concluded that not only did such material not exist, but that taxpayer money was being inappropriately spent on this research. So basically, someone who had in good faith was interested in looking at this material

and protecting this material, Harry Reid, when that request was made, that they couldn't because there was nothing there to protect and that that is in itself evidence that no material exists. I mean, that cuts both ways. Let's not forget that the Pentagon has failed six audits in a row. They've misplaced billions of dollars. They do it every year. They don't know where they've sent the money we're spending on our national security. Given how sprawling and clumsy our federal bureaucracy is capable of being, it is not actually inconceivable that a a program which is alleged to be super secretive, and as you point out, not going through normal political channels, perhaps not even something the president is briefed on or aware of,

could be either, that that information could be either have been destroyed or is being kept somewhere. It's been lost track of. I mean, the government, they lose track of money this year. Last year, they lost track of money. They spent elsewhere in the world. So that is not by itself disqualifying. I want to talk about the fact that I actually agree a lot of times back and forth with the two of those guys.

Like I'm they say things and I'm like, yeah, they're just playing both sides. And I felt like Brianna, who was the other anchor for a while, was kind of like that. And it seems like she's pretty. Or just asking questions. And I liked what she said there at the end where she was like, look, you know, there's like you have, both. of them in the way in which I agree with they've said many times over that and this has been quoted a bunch of different documentaries to do things if this program is a secret remember how secret of the nuclear program that's yeah that's exactly what i was going to suggest remember

about that how the secret of that was okay that's part one and and granted the president knew about that one but for if you believe a lot of these reports from different military that have come up also the president is seen from these groups as someone that's going to be there four to eight years and then there's going to be someone new. So why do they need to know about it? This program, if you believe it, that has been around since the 1940s or longer, has been very protected. That's why I always see this comment a lot on this particular show is that I don't believe, and DJ, our buddy said it too, I don't believe that the government would be able to keep this secret. Well, first of all, they're not, because we're talking about it right now on the

show. So it's not that, it's not secret enough. That's part one. Part two is, it ain't our government that's really the government that traditional government is the one that that's doing it's these side jobs he said locket martins these these these side jobs that are doing it so i don't know pavel you hear all this what are you i'm sure you got a lot of thoughts about it yeah i got like four or five thoughts uh if you guys bear with me go ahead um first of all uh when this program started in the 40s um the main goal of counterintelligence is to, for every story that comes out, you create another story that is a lie. But you make it so unbelievable similar to the actual real story that people don't know

anymore what's real and what's not. And that's been happening since 1947. And it hasn't stopped, really. There's this project called Project Malkenberg, which allegedly stopped somewhere around the 90s. but this kind of proves that some sort of project that's similar to that, which delved into infiltrating every news media in the country and not get too much attention to this,

there's kind of proof that something like that is still going on. That's one. And, well, people who are in counterintelligence, Kirkpatrick was one of them. They're trained to lie. They're professional liars. And that's what they do. So that's one. Another one is that Coldhart, when Kirkpatrick resigned,

Coldhart said that Kirkpatrick got a new job for a private contractor that worked directly with the DOE, Department of Energy, which are presumably the guys that have all the secrets and all the tech. That's another one. Follow the money. They said about all the audits that the Pentagon has failed. That goes directly to that, you know. And the DOE has an exemption from testifying or from FOIA requests

because they are part of the Atomic Secrets Act, which also was created in 1945. And anything UFO related is part of that. So it's almost impossible due to all the stovepiping that is going on and has been going on for so many decades. Yeah, you know, and it's also, I mean, there's just, so much out of, out of all. And you look, and I've never found Sean Caputcher credible. I just haven't. Like, this is the guy that

when, when, when instead of first of all he said that he invited Grush in to talk and Grush said that never happened, okay? So you either believe Grush, you believe Capuch, that's up to you. But the other thing was, when this guy made his statement against Grush, it was on

LinkedIn. It was on LinkedIn. He didn't testify anywhere. He didn't do it. He went on LinkedIn and wrote this whole stupid thing. And it's like... I didn't know that. Yeah, it was LinkedIn. And it's like, that's how he got his word out about it when he was still there.

And Grush went after him a few different times on different shows. But like, it seems to me that within it from every single time that you look at more and more, Grush's credibility gets stronger and this guy's gets weaker. Now, I know that might not be the case for someone who's walking into this and hearing it for the first time. If you're like, I don't know. I've stumbled on, you watch me and you watch my channel for a bit. You're like, oh, let me finally watch one of these UAP shows and see what he's talking about. I was like, well, if the guy who was running the AARO is saying, well, no, I never found anything.

Well, why don't you believe him? Because as where Pavel says to follow the money, it's also follow the information. Yeah, no, I said who got to him? I was thinking to myself, who got to him? It's been there. Yeah, and Pavel, you kind of answered my question. You know, you follow the money And it seems that if, you know,

he was obviously, you know, publishing his resume on LinkedIn while he was putting his statement out there then because he got this new job, right, Pavel? And so if you're following the money, it stinks. It stinks. And what I immediately go to then is Grush saying, I got some more security clearances.

Yeah. I'm going to do an op-ed. Great. What's going to be on that op-ed, do you think, Pavel? I know you've talked about it briefly last time you're on. What do you think is going to be on there? Obviously, I think there's going to be a direct response to Kirkpatrick. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Direct. But there's also another like side story to this where Kirkpatrick also used LinkedIn LinkedIn to get into it with Travis Taylor. You know who that is? No, tell me. It's the guy who appears on the Skin Walker Ranch series who's like the leading scientist on him. And he does have major credentials, you know?

and he responded to Kirkpatrick's op-ed by calling him anti-American and by saying that quoting Carl Sagan was not really the best way to go because Carl Sagan has always been a denier of this and eventually he did admit to have some truth to know something. Sagan did. Yeah, yeah. And on the comments, I wrote a comment and ironically, the only response I got was from a dude from space command, like a second in command. And it was kind of weird because I wanted to go fishing a little.

What were those comments? Well, my comment was related to the psychological operation that the CIA had been conducting for a while and suppressing some scientists who have been working on consciousness. Oh, was that through, by the way, was that, was that off the, off the Wi-Files episode? No, this is something that I, this is my main investigation that I've been doing for years. Okay, okay. And I talked about it, and this guy from the Space Command responded. Like, he, he, he, he, he, he bit the, the fishing rod, basically.

Yeah, right. And it was funny because, um, in another comment, one of the people who is, are like, uh, main investigators on, on the UFO topic, he uploaded a picture of Susan Goh, who's, uh, Pentagon spokesperson who was right behind Kirkpatrick at the last oh right right it was like and he and she was and he was like nodding at her to see if if she would let him give certain answers right she was his handler right right I saw that tells you a lot too right it does it does absolutely you know it's funny you bring up that stuff about the the consciousness and all those things and I did see the I brought up this thing that I sent to you I don't know if you watch you at the

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patrons i had a conversation i have a one i do these one-on-one sessions and he's very much he talks about the uap stuff and he was telling me you got to check out this why files episode that um they talk about i don't know if it's the same program you're talking about but it's um it what's the name of the it's remote viewing is what it was so the program itself for those people and again this is it's going to sell like science fiction to a lot of people and you can believe it's believe what you believe but you can go and watch the Wi-files episode on it's fascinating it's almost an hour long and the cliff notes of it is that in Pavel did you see this episode yeah funny enough yeah actually i just published an episode on my channel yeah with one of the leading scientists in

barcelona okay who is working currently on a lot of related to uh remote viewing but remote viewing is kind of like a tool to watch anywhere in the world or maybe even beyond the world. But this guy spoke to me about eyeless sight, they call it. And it's a practice that they do with little children. They still do it today where they basically put a bandage. They blind them with a bandage and they make them read without looking books and stuff. And this is like CIA stuff too. by the way.

Yeah. So the CIA was running these programs where they had the remote viewing. And there was one particular guy who was doing, he was working with CIA for a little bit. And he said that on this, which was there was like a bunch of different mountains. But there was one mountain and I can't remember the name of it. Mount Hayes.

That was at Mount Hayes. And so Mount Hayes, this particular guy saw inside Mount Hayes and he saw technology and he saw the beings and he saw things that were going on. And then about, He was in Vegas and he felt a prick in his leg and then he was dead. And two months. Now, what I thought the Wi-Files did well in that was that he was,

it's also if they knew about this remote viewing thing that it could have potentially been at this time, it was like the 60s or 70s when it happened. And it could have been Russians going, okay, well, if you can see inside of our base, you got to go. Right. But then they brought in another guy who was, he came in and did some research, saw the same thing and saw other places that were connected inside of mountains they brought in other people other remote viewers who were not they didn't tell them anything about it they didn't tell i say anything

they didn't tell them about past information they until they said and they all saw the same thing okay and so the it's like you should watch the whole entire it's because it's hard to say if i tell you if if i tell you should anybody watching this that the idea that we as humans can move our consciousness and see other things, you right away go, I don't know, it sounds like a cool movie. Sounds like a movie.

Man who stare at goats, I think what was that movie? Is that what it was? So, yeah. But what it is, is the other side of his, too, what I thought was a great point, by the white,

because what do you like about the Y Files and when I get unfairly frustrated with it, the Y Files, it's why he's so good. Because I always feel like he's watching it, and he gives all the information and presents it in a way that you're like, well, all this stuff happens.

And then he usually, seems like, and I'm wrong about this, it seems like he debunks it at the end every time. And that's not the case. He doesn't. At the end of this particular episode, he doesn't really know what he believes. Because they also mentioned, by the way, that one of the guys saw water bases, UFOs and water bases. What do you see from a lot? And he mentions

this in the episode. Is that there's been a lot of reports that these things go underwater. All the time. Military pilots have said that these things go underwater. water. So a lot of these people that were doing the, this is in the guys, this is like the 70s and the 80s that were saying that these things were going underwater. This is before it was like, you know, out there and kind of coming into our world and being like, wait a minute,

why is that there's a consistent kind of thread here. Right. So what W. Files did, I thought was asking the question also, it's like, because if, because a lot of times, the program was shut down, at least they say it was, why, if you would, if, if humans were capable of it. If you and I, and you watching it home, Vell, anybody was capable of doing, if, if it was in the same way that we're able to, you know, reach over, open

this thing up, smell it, and go, oh, that smells like that. If we were able to learn how with teaching, with someone teaching us how to be able to do that, does the government want us to do that? To be able to, because then you would, because then there'd be no secrets. Right. And say that that would threaten.

That would threaten. I believe the government's secrets. So it was a great point that they made over there too, which is a fascinating. The channel is fascinating. It's a great, it's a great channel, and I love it. And even the, even the silly goldfish is now growing on me. But have you watched anything else? Yeah, I started watching it, and I did, I felt like the goldfish was selling me something

for a while with their sponsor. And that's absolutely, we have sponsors on the show. We need that. But I got caught up in other things, to be honest with you. I would dive deep. I'm going to. Yeah, it's just been dealing with some family stuff. I understand.

I understand. But, Pavel, what did you think of that overall episode and what did you take away from it and the same type of things that you've studied? Okay, so the three remote viewers you're talking about, the one that died is called Pat Price. Yep. For the audience to look them up.

Okay. It was the most talented remote viewer ever, according to this story. The other one is Ingo Swan. Yep, yep. He wrote many books about remote viewing and other psychic abilities. And funny enough, I am talking to Nick Cook later this week, who is an author of the bestselling book, The Hunt for Zero Point.

We're doing like a preliminary interview kind of so we can set up the actual interview. But I am going to ask him about Ingo Swan and Pat Price. Yeah, because look, they had a lot and there's a lot of the big names. And this isn't like just like one kind of random crew. This is like, again, government people that were running. And then what was the thing that was also fascinating? was people were running it they had like a name for themselves like the the swan or the what it was all the birds and whatever what yeah was that there's the

other remote viewers whose last name is monigle yeah he was called the eagle right and yeah they had like that Joe Monagall is that who it was yeah yeah yeah that was the one I was listening to I he was the one that was the most he was the one that that was followed Pat Price he was on to follow them and then he was the one it saw a lot of those. All I would tell you is this, if you hear me saying it, because I'm definitely not doing justice to the overall, the intensity of what this thing is,

in the Y-Files, they play the audio from Joe, and you can hear him while he's, like, in the trance, seeing what he's seeing. Oh, wow. Yeah. And then, like, and then he talks about what he saw, and, like, and as I say,

if you don't know the Y-Files, check it out, because that channel is not, like, tinfoil, hat stuff. It is a he they come up with theories and things that and and things that have been out there in the past and then they say is this or is it this is it this or could it have been that and it's a that's why it's such a popular channel because in the way that it presents itself. So before you just kind of scoff at it, you know, understand that it wasn't just some guy going I can see the future. This was a CIA program. Yeah. It was and you should you should look at the

episode itself because what fascinated me about it. was the idea that the underwater stuff has always gotten me, right? Because even look at the jellyfish UAP. It went into the water and 15 minutes later it came out as what they said, you know? Are we ever going to see that, Pavelle, do you think? Or is that that that's just going to be another kind of myth that falls to the wayside? It will depend strictly on how we, how much people want to kind of wake up to everything that's happening.

because the interview I did this morning with Dr. Alex Gomez Marin, he spoke to me about this remote viewing, but he also talked to me about something that I wasn't sure it happened, which was Dr. Jacobo Greenberg, who is a Mexican scientist, psychophysiologist, he proved, he did an experiment with another doctor from India called Amit Goswamy. They proved that quantum entanglement, which is a phenomenon, that basically connects to particles in different parts of the universe.

He proved it with human minds through an experiment, which essentially it's kind of like telepathy, that it was real. He wrote a paper, he published it, and then just a few months later, he disappeared. And nobody has ever heard from it again. So that kind of answers your question. If the government wants us to grow minds like that,

They don't. No, they don't. I believe there's so much to that and to the human mind. It's something that I believe in. Pavel, you and I have kind of been talking in DMs about a little bit about this, the consciousness. And I brought up many times the silver string theory. And, you know, there's a great joke in defending your life.

I know I'm bringing up an Albert Brooks movie. But he basically says, you know, we only use the Rip Torn's characters. Like, I use 30% of my mind. Yeah, people got so mad at you when you said this last time. Yeah. It's been debunked. You use 99%. Is that right?

That's what they said. I don't know if that's true or not, but... I got pissed to you when he said that. Sure, but it's a great joke, nonetheless, and defending your life, because then Albert Brooks, oh, I must use, like, 32, and he goes, you use two, you know, and that's, I believe that there's more in here that we have... Yeah, whether you use, whatever the percentage might be, whether it's 99% or not, I don't know. You're not accessing it to his full capacity. Correct.

I know I'm not. No, and I, even when you're having a conversation with somebody, right, and, and, and, and, you're, And like, and this is one of these things, you're in the moment and you have a conversation, you almost feel like you know what they're going to say. And then they say it. Yeah. And it's like, is that just coincidence or is that because you're about to, you can, you know the person well enough or who knows?

But there's, there is something more to the human brain. They're absolutely, even dreams in general. Yeah. And I've been thinking about it more like, more like, I'll close my eyes sometimes and I'll like thinking, I can almost see like rivers and, you know, trees and things of that nature. And I'm like, now, is that me imagining it? can I actually see it? I don't know. I don't know what it is, but all I know is that I think that there is more to the human brain. There's more to it in general. And there's more, I mean,

like look at what you can actually, you know, whatever, whether it's through studying, whatever it might be, the brain that has information and the brain that is able to, look at Oppenheimer, right? Like, Oppenheimer, obviously it's when it comes to intelligence, when it comes to these things, the more you study and the more you develop and the more you learn, the the more the brain is capable of. You know, so I don't know, I don't know, all I know is that I was walking the dog, and I made my dog walk a lot longer so I could listen to this episode of Y-Files, because it was, it's fascinating, and I just think it's a little too coincidental.

I don't know. Yeah, I'm looking it up here, yeah, you're right. There's, it's been FMRI scans show that even simple activities require almost all of the brain to be active, you know. So I was basically just going off of defending your life, folks, just as a joke. I haven't studied this more, but that's interesting to learn. There is some true to what you're saying. If you look at Carl Jung's ratings and philosophy, he talks about the collective unconscious. Collective consciousness.

It's like a sea of information that sometimes humans, through inspiration, grab a little bit of bits off and that makes us create things that that makes us create music movie scripts and all kinds of stuff that have to do with creativity and Carl Young talked about that and I think you're right about that though you're not 100% wrong on that yeah to be honest with you I'm just very curious you know the person's name that was thrown around a lot in that episode was how put off they they mentioned him quite a bit and he was like the leader of that program. Have you ever had a chance to interview him? I am trying.

Actually, this week, I'm going to talk to Nick Cook about it. And depending on how the conversation with Cook goes, he's going to be the one that connects me to Dr. Putoff. And he's one of my biggest targets, actually. Of course. Of course. Yeah, man, especially when you listen to that. I mean, the stuff that guy knows, the real, the real,

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I want more transparency. And that's it. Be respectful. And if you do that constantly, the more people that do it, the more they're going to come about. And I do think that due to that, the potential of hearings, new hearings, that's why all of these attacks are happening. now because they can feel that cold heart and everyone else are over the target they're making they're making progress and they don't like it yes yeah and and the people that i think that are gonna potentially speak are carl knell who's carl now for those people who don't know he's a colonel who spoke

at the soul conference who is like one of the most reading people on the whole UFO topic and he was one of the the people who spoke also to Tom DeLong and to all the people who brought the to the stars academy and he also speaks constantly with David Grush, who is also part of the soul foundation, by the way. And he knows, he was the one who presented the plan for a control disclosure from now until like 2029 or something. And what does he know? What do you think he knows? I think he's seen material and I think he knows about some kind of program

where the United States government has had contact already. And so, yeah, what a bombshell that is. If you're at, yeah, if you're at a hearing and Nell comes up there and he's like, I've seen

the material, I've touched the material, I've witnessed material, and I know for a fact that I have documents that we have been in contact before, then Game over, right? There are also a couple of names that I need to mention, though. One of them is James Lakatsky, who used to run the OSAP program. Well, wait, so, wait, before you go on, hold that.

Lackackackacki's the guy that we got into the whole conversation with Roxy about the hull, about he was the one who said, because he's big, because if he actually testifies, he has said that they have worked on these. craft and they've actually breached the whole of the ship is that right provel yes that's him and it's also important to know that he's completely against disclosure but there's like some kind of fear from him that he doesn't want to he doesn't even want to testify he doesn't want to be obligated to do so and that that's kind of unnerving because it it links to all the interviews that luisando has given he gave a couple of great interviews

on the theories of everything with Kurtzai Mongol. And he spoke about feeling somber in the post-disclosure world. And that really got me kind of spooked, to be honest with you. Because I don't know what he means. Right. So essentially the same type of thing. When Tucker Carlson was out there and said like the stuff that he heard, like that it was just too scary. Too jarring and too like.

And that's kind of that question of like, what is it? that you we're thinking about all these different things of what it really could be that could just change your mind of like holy crap like that's what that is my lord but you talk about that though like so when you say though he doesn't want to testify so would they what would they have to do would they have to give him a summons in order to get him to testify i think that if if they make him do it legally he can't say no but i do also think that he signed a lot of a bunch of NDAs that would essentially kill his career and his retirement plan essentially because I think he's already a veteran. I think so. So that's another reason why he doesn't want to do it. Yeah,

that's another reason. But also, I also think that whoever comes forward though, I think that there's like a little confusion to what people actually know and don't know because there's like these two fronts, right? Well, three really. The one where debunkers and skeptics know that the UFO phenomenon is real, but they don't know what it is. And there's this other group of scientists and people who have been on this for decades who talk about the phenomenon as in not just the UFOs,

but also all the paranormal stuff. And they have written books and they have done a lot of research on it. And there seems to be like this struggle between both sides that one says one thing and another one says another thing, but they both know that the UFO topic is actually real. And then there's the government that doesn't want to admit anything. Anything, right. So, so those, you go ahead, right? No, I, I, you know, you get me, Pavel, when you, when you talk about debunkers that they, they say that they believe it's real and, but they're, they're trying to actively, are they, you know, part of something bigger that we're not aware of that they, you know, are like, nope, we're trying to, much like the government, keep things down.

Yeah. It's just, I wanted you to, you know, to expand on that, if you will. Sure. Well, there are some two kinds of debunkers, the ones that are naturally skeptic, which I don't have a problem with, honestly. Because I question things. I question things. I don't think the government is going to give us disclosure the truth, the actual truth. They want to give us disclosure under their terms. That's what they want to do. But the debunkers, those are the ones that are constantly denying everything. And they're saying that it's a lot. lie. Those are the ones that like Kirkpatrick. Yeah. Those are the ones that I think are

the ill-intentioned ones. But the skeptics, I don't think they're ill-intentioned. They just want to get to the truth, and they don't trust the government, which is kind of healthy enough. Of course. I mean, that's what we had, when we had, we had our buddy DJ Wilridge on, who is

essentially what you just described. Someone who's just asking questions but doesn't take it on a, but takes it more so that just doesn't have enough trust, But we'll ask questions. And when the proper proof kind of comes in, then they'll believe. But then there's kind of like, again, the nefarious people who are out there to just shoot it down because they want people to stop asking questions. Yeah.

And that's what it seemed. That's what I think this whole thing from. And that's what they said in the hill that I thought was great too. It's just like, yeah, it just seems a little weird. When they're like, don't ask questions. Don't, no, no, nothing to see here. It just doesn't seem like there's. Yeah.

It's almost like I bring in wrestling. A good wrestling villain Doesn't just say how good they are all the time And just crap on everybody You know and make make fun of them and do this They give credit to the other people too They give credit to them and then they go I know how good of a warrior you are

I know how good of a fighter you are And that's why I'm going to kick your ass Whatever the hell they say sure But they build them up So they can tear them down Or whatever but they show as Carpatrick was saying look Grush had a lot of claims that inside of this

did this and this and this and this and very well may have been true however this but he just tried to make Grush look like a complete bozo but did the opposite made himself look more like a bozo because he didn't give him because I don't know there's just a lot I do see

look and I'll say it on the on the comments one out of every let's say we get a thousand to 2,000 comments per show right? I would say one out of 600 or 700 say, I don't trust Grush. Okay. It's a good ratio to have you, Grush.

Yeah. You know, that's what I mean? It's a winning percentage there. Yeah, but not everybody buys it. Sure. My wife is someone who walks in and she goes, I don't trust this guy. I'm like, why? It's a national, this guy's a hero.

And she's like, I don't think he's a hero. I didn't even listen to anything he said. He's judging him off of the goofy faces that they do screenshots of the poor bastard on every single time. Yeah. Yeah. There's something that people don't understand about both Grush and Lou Alessando. They risk their careers.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. They did it on their oath. Louis-Ollizondo doesn't charge a dime for any interviews he does. He is putting out a book, but because this has taken, like, his whole life. Yeah. And also Grush.

And they have been threatened. They have been, like, ridiculed. I mean, people need to understand this about both of them. It's true. And we try to bring that out. I go there all the time. That is a big, huge thing that makes him so credible because, and he said it, he said as much on the Rogan interview and out there, it's like, I didn't wish this. Why would I do this?

He wanted to do his duty. He wanted to do his duty. And that's what always gets me is that he is somebody that has served our country, was skeptical more than anybody when he went, ah, I'll look into this. And then, you know, looked into it. Looked into it and went, whoa. Well, it's kind of like Heinick, right? That was how Heinek, although he felt real bad because he was due, he felt like he was doing the job of like the Carpatrick. He was essentially doing Carpatrick's job.

And then he realized like there's a lot to this. There's really a lot more to this. And he started to ask you more. Yeah. And I mean, I brought up to my, I mean, one of my favorite things to do is to talk to my old man about this kind of stuff because he has. He's getting more into it now. He's getting more into it because I brought up, you know, a lot of names. and the last time we hung out.

And, you know, he did say, he's like, well, these people are going to try to profit off this. They're probably, and I go, Dad, why? It's ruining their career. Why would these people that served either in the military or an intelligence that served for our country come forward to ruin their life? And he went, that's a good point. You know, it got him. Stopped administration. I watched my old man who's just skeptical on this stuff, but yet has a picture.

of a UFO that was given to him by some kind of client of his that got it from some kind of general or whatever it was. It's one of his favorite things. Give it to use. You can put it on the show. Yeah, I have a picture of it somewhere, and I'll show it when I can. But you're going to actually meet him and see that picture at the baby shower. Anyways, this has gotten him when not only bringing up that point of people that, you know, kind of risked their lives and their career. lose all their money whatever it may be to come forward in the belief that this is the

betterment of our own society and and earthly existence maybe but also that it's you know we have uh republicans and democrats working together to get the truth and that also got him that went whoa whoa he's the one and that's i i still the one comment that i'm sorry just to me is the dopyest comment that i see and i still see it when people go oh this is just a distraction it's like From who? From what? From who? Again, mainstream media is not covering this.

No, and that's the other thing, that's one of the points. All right. So one of the comments that drives me nuts is when they say, this is a distraction, this is distraction. They go, well, it's a distraction from the Trump trial. Well, but wait a minute. AOC is there and you've got Moskowitz and all it. You think they're going to go, oh, yeah, you guys can distract from that.

We're not going, we're not going, they would call it right away. They'd say, wait, this is something smells like a fart. Oh, this is a distraction from the Hunter Biden and stuff. Tim Burchett. I mean, you've got rounds, you've got all these people that it's a bipartisan thing. And then the other thing is that it's a distraction from who the mainstream media isn't even covering it? Yeah, it's not making waves. No, they're not even covering it.

So who's a distraction for? The people who are covering here. So that comment makes no sense. You can say, as Pavelle said, you should ask questions and the whole reason you're here. You should ask questions. I don't know. I'm just not on board with it. I haven't seen enough of it.

It's just that it's the whole point of this. show is to say, as I'm glad Pavel did, right? He said, here's a name for you to look up. Look it up and read about it. You can come back and go, I looked up those names. I think it's just kind of far-fetched science fiction stuff. Your prerogative. But look it up. Look at the stuff. Look at, look up the TikTok video if you've never seen it before. Look up the idea of what else people have seen in the military that has reported on it. Look at the stuff too. If you really want to talk about it, you can watch all of it and still believe none of it. of it, but watch it so you have the education on it. Yeah, you know, I mean, I think a perfect

example of that is the jellyfish. Right. For me. Right. Where are you with that now? I'm going back and forth because I am going deep. I'm looking at every angle I can possibly look at. I'm listening to the skeptics, to the debunkers, to the people that say, no, it's this, it's that. And I'm landing on, it's a UAP. Oh, you think it is now? It's unidentified. Not balloons anymore. You know, I mean, I lean there because it's, it's, it's, it's, It's hard. It's hard because I've seen... I don't know what it is, dude.

I love that. It's confusing. It's confusing because, again, it's because I'm going in and I'm looking at both sides of the damn thing. Right. And I've seen... There's part of you that's the UAPA and it says it's a balloon. Yeah, I think it's my brain going to, it's balloons. It's the most simple explanation you can think of because there was a military guy that came forward

that put it out there that worked on that base. and he goes, we see these balloons all the time. I saw that video. There's that. Then there's the breakdown of this thing moving, and it's not hitting the infrared, and it's doing this. And I go, hmm, then the Pentagon releases a statement saying, that's the thing that got me.

That's the one that got me. So what did the Pentagon say basically? Well, they basically sent a release, you know, saying, we do not comment on this kind of stuff, where we take leaks very seriously. We take leaks very seriously. And that was the one that made me go, okay.

There's something to this. it's a leak. Yeah, it's a leak. Why didn't they say it was balloons? Yeah, right? Pavel, it was a leak. So, I mean, do you have more... And sleep? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So it gets me. And that's... It's important to not just look at one thing and make up your decision right then and there. Right. That's what I believe. I believe that about everything is that you need to be so willing to go in and find it even if you disagree. Yeah. But just to kind of just look at... everything you can possibly look at to form your own opinion. And with the jellyfish, it's moving

and changing with me, man. It's hard to, it's hard to sit here and go, well, that's a UAP. Well, that's a balloon. Well, that's, I tell you what it really comes down to, and I was listening to Corbell and Knapp on weaponized on the way over here when they were talking about this. And I

want that video of the coming out of the water. That's really important. Pavel, I think that you maybe didn't hear me before. Do you think that the jellyfish popping out of the water. Do you think we'll ever see that hit the light of day? Or do they even have it? It depends. There have been a lot of counter arguments to what Corbell said. And at this point, I really don't know. What I was telling Riley about this specific one is that when it gets you to debate so much about it, I think that people maybe need to move

on to the next thing. Right. Because debating so much about it, I get that it gets a lot of clicks and all, but it distracts us from the main target, which is more hearings and more whistleblowers. Correct. That's what we want. Because if more whistleblowers come forward, that means more material, more video, different than the actual jellyfish, which is really hard to pinpoint what it is, to be honest with

it. Right. Yeah. It's an actual UFO. but we can't say it's a craft. We can't say it's a probe droid, you know. It's the definition of what this is. You know, it's unidentified something.

Well, it's the idea of why we started doing this. We said, look, you can have your own idea of what the hell these things are, but the question is we don't know. And that was why we started this. We wanted, like, clearly there are things flying around in the sky. What in the world is it? It can't be balloons every time. It can't be.

It's not balloons. It drives me nuts. Balloons. Every time, oh, it's balloons. Oh, it's balloons. No matter what it is. The airline is balloons. Iraq, it's balloons.

It's balloons. Everything's balloons. I didn't know there's so many balloons in the world. Balloons flying everywhere. And you might think it's balloons. I don't know. But the question is, what is it? And the fact that they're flying around near our military and our military scene all of the time.

And that was the other thing that I want to read real quick. And I'm glad that I just kind of got myself there. is that there's a people are, this is from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. This says there's a new bill that would prevent penalties for reporting UFO sightings. So this is from, this is, I'm going to read this out. Congressman Glenn Groffman introduced legislation on January 11th that would allow pilots and other civilian aviation personnel to report unidentified anomalous phenomenon, UAP without fear or negative career or other repercussions.

UAPs are perhaps more commonly known as UFOs. Since I was a child on identified objects in our airspace have been a topic of interest, said Goughman, who represents Wisconsin's 6th District. Known as the Safe Airspace for Americans Act, Gothman introduced the bill with Congressman Robert Garcia. The bill would require the administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration to establish procedures and reporting requirements for incidents related to unidentified anomalous phenomena. The bill specifically enables civilian air crew, FAA air traffic controllers,

flight attendants, maintenance, workers, dispatchers, and airlines to report U. encounters to the FAA. Then the FAA would need to compile relevant communication information or data on reports before sharing with them the Department of Defense's All-Domany-enomily Resolution Office, AARO. The FAA would also be tasked with studying any threats such incidents could pose to National Airspace System. Grothman hopes to highlight the need for transparency from the federal government regarding UAPs to better protect the safety and security of American citizens. According to a 2019 Gallup poll, 68% of Americans surveyed that the U.S. government knows more about UFOs than it is telling us. I wonder what that is now.

Under the proposed legislation, reporting UAPs could not be used to medically disqualify pilots and other aviation employees, and reporting can't be taken into account when evaluating pilots' competency to earn airmen certificates. Additionally, federal employees would be protected from a tellatory action such as termination or suspension of security clearances for reporting UAPs. Airlines also would not be able to retaliate against or terminate employees for reporting or issue cease and deceased letters. We've heard from pilots that they're sometimes afraid to report things. Grohman told us the journal Sentinel.

They may not know where to report it and may be afraid to report it because they may be subject to a mental health evaluation or they're afraid somebody's going to say that they're crazy. I think more important than giving them a place to report is that they know they're not going to be subject to any negative. stuff in their career. So they have the full text there. And then, yeah, so this is a... That's so important. It's super super important. That's, that's huge because that's such a big part of this that has always gotten me is that how much more is out there. Right. You know, that hasn't been reported because people are scared to do it because they have such high level security. They go

through such rigorous training programs to become a pilot. And that, you know, you say you see a flying toaster, you're going to be like, nope, you know, give me your keys to the jet. You're grounded. And that, I understand what they're doing. It's not only the safety of the pilot, but the safety of us. You know, if they need to be evaluated and whatnot, but this shit is real. Right. And if whether it's, again, we are talking about transparency here, whether it's a flying

jellyfish or whether it's a, you know, drone from China. We need to know these things. Yeah. And that's for the protection of us. And if they do see something that is defined as a UAP, they can't really put their finger on it, maybe it's a new technology, maybe it's threatening us, whatever it may be,

well, they need to report that. Yeah, well, it's the same thing. Pavel also, this, to me, this is the main thing that Ryan Graves was fighting for, right? Yes, that's what I was going to say. And also, that's the main reason Ryan Greas went to Mexico with Kain and Mousan. Right.

He took him off guard with the bodies, but honestly, you can think whatever you want about Mal San, he already passed, Mexico already passed a law that is very similar to this one in December. And Mexico is the first country in the world to pass a law like this. That's credit to Mausanne, honestly. And again, you can think whatever you want about him. He's been deceived throughout his career with many stories that people don't think very highly of him, but he did this. And Ryan Graves went to Mexico. because he knew this was going to happen.

And that's what Ryan Grace has been fighting for so many years, honestly. And it's finally here. And he, kudos to him, man. Like, really. But this is also why I say how important David Gresh is to all this. Yeah. Because David Gresh got this all out there in the forefront. I mean, look, the New York Times article, obviously,

but then Gresh coming forward has put this whole thing, people talking about it and people more so listening than, look, I still, I'm sure all three of us, whenever we go, if we go to a party, the three of us, we're going to be in the minority of the people who are talking about this. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But that will change. I feel in my heart of hearts that that's going to change.

And eventually people are going, like, I'm waiting for the comments to come in on this show going, oops, sorry. Yeah. I didn't realize. I thought it was just you, like, really liking science fiction. Yeah. Well, I think it's happening. I think that there is a kind of a shift in the narrative.

I think that it's starting to get out there a little bit. I know we don't believe necessarily that the aliens were shopping at the gap in Miami. But, you know, that to me represented a kind of a movement where people were like, there's something more, there's something else, there's something, and people were jumping on it, in my opinion, a little too fervently saying that this is true, this is true. believing certain things that may or may not be. But I feel it, maybe it's because I'm so into it now, but I feel that there's something shifting, you know, and I watch my dad again, I bring him up, you know, kind of go, huh?

Right. You know, and that's a big part of it is if you are talking to somebody and see, you know, that Chuck Schumer was up there and standing in front of the Senate saying we need transparency? When I told my dad that, he's like, what? That's what drives me crazy. Yeah, right, because that's the mainstream media. I get so mad at that. That's the story that gets me the most because even if, and I said it many times over, even if you don't believe, if the network doesn't believe any of it, the fact that the Senate majority leader was up there talking about this, it's a story.

That's the big story. It's the story. It's the story you lead with. And it was nowhere. It was nowhere. Because it's a distraction. Crazy. And that's my point is because that that didn't even make it into the news.

Right. You know, it was a passing kind of reference with certain things. You know, we have the hill and we have certain. places that we like to go where they focus on this stuff but for my father who's so into politics and so into like current events and history it was a history teacher before he became a lawyer you know he digs this kind of stuff for that to just go right over his head you know because he is old school he picks up the paper from the the front porch and he sits down and reads it because the man doesn't know how what an email is so he gets his news

from the old school, if you will. It's nowhere. Nowhere. And I'm hoping that's going to change. And that's why I also think that these new hearings, whenever the hell they're going to happen, because it seems to go and shift, Pavel. Like, you know, like the kind of news that comes out, right? There's like, there's last week, the last two weeks were really big when it came to

the jellyfish stuff, the stuff with the, with some of the senators. People kept saying, it was just Congress that went there. But there was, there were some senators that went in there, too. And they, people keep, those were, those are big, those are big stories. And then now you have this one where you're going to have now, it's like different sides of the story. Now you have the people that are coming out going, no, no, no, you know, they're trying to debunk it or saying that it's not true or trying to get back to that old kind of

1940s mentality. So what's the next story? What's the, what do you, what is it, is it footage, Pavell? Is it the announcement of, you? of a new hearing? Is it the Grush? Opt-Ed? What is it?

What's the next big thing, if you will, that's going to drop in the next couple of weeks, next week? What do you think it is? I got into that, exactly that, with Dr. Gary Nolan on Twitter. The next big thing that's coming are the videos from the Soul Foundation, which are, he said he already had seven completely finished. But there was like this technical issue with the editing. of the videos and the material itself that took him a while.

But he had some volunteers who helped him out and they're almost done. That's what's coming next. But also, it's important to tell people that there's a lot of people that hear about this. And even if it's true, though, even if they think for a second it's true, it's too much for them. and they choose to just go like, no, that's too much. I don't even want to know. Right. And that's something that we, us, we need to change.

It's like kind of our responsibility, all the content creators who are talking about this, they need to present the information and the material in a digestible way. Right. That doesn't spook people. Right. And that's why what we do is very important, I think. Yeah. Yeah, but look, one of my favorite compliments,

I've gotten is that people were, they liked the approach that were taken because I even saw, look, I saw some people who just, not, not fans of mine. And I saw someone say, look, I saw this guy was doing, uh, doing the UAP discussion. And I've never really liked this movie opinions or him, but he seems pretty passionate, you know, talking about this stuff. And I think it's important that he is. Great. That's, that's a win for me. Yeah. I don't need everybody to like me. I need you to talk about this. I need you have a conversation about this. And I need that's why I mention everybody here if you're brand new and you're listening to it,

please be part of that conversation. Please hit that subscribe button so we can do this every single week. I want to move to, I want to talk about this thing that's going on with Colhart and Lou Alizondah before we take off. But Pavel, will you tell us exactly

what happened with the Wikipedia pages? Yeah, so as we are talking right now, Matt Ford at the Good Trouble Show, he was doing a live stream about the whole thing like a detailed explanation of what happened so it's not too, he's doing great work

though but essentially what happened is for many months already there's this group of editors on Wikipedia who are debunkers who have created the pages of Lou Alessondo, the A-TIP program they have taken all the awards

from out of a Ross Coldheart's page and essentially attempted to take credibility from them. And actually, Matt Ford's program just started, which is kind of funny. And that's what a lot of people have been pointing at one specific debunker. I'm not going to name him, honestly, because I don't think it's... A debunker who actually did this to the Wikipedia pages? Yeah, and because it is not proven yet.

Okay. He's obviously denying everything. thing, but all the roads are pointing towards him. Okay. And I did speak briefly to Ross Colt heard about it. And he was like, yeah, I know what's happening. People are telling me that maybe I should sue them, but we need more information right now. And honestly, if you trust what Wikipedia says, you can't be on this.

I mean, Wikipedia lacks credibility. Right. Because anybody can change it. yeah and that's essentially what what has been happening and there's a investigation from matt ford i think it's going to open a lot of eyes to who actually is doing this and i i think people should watch that too i am going to watch it and what would be the motivation on that is the motivation that this guy is is being paid off by somebody to do it or he like what's the motivation if it is indeed i don't think i don't think he's the only one whoever it is i think they do

work for a specific part of the government that doesn't want any of this out and it's on purpose like because they see people like Cold Card or Lou who are over the target already and yeah they are coming out with more information

Coldheart has been repeating it for months he's like the people I'm talking to and the information I have it's impossible for this to not be true and there's a lot of footage and a lot of things that need to be approved first before we show it.

But I've seen stuff that it's going to blow people's mind. That's what Colehart is saying. Yeah. And Lou Elisando already talked about a video of a triangular craft that comes out of the water. And they asked him how clear the image was. And he was verbatim, he said, you can see the skin of the craft. That's interesting. Which is 4K.

All right, but here's the thing. So this is where I get the same type of frustration that they mentioned, right? It's like, well, you know, we're going to see one of these days. We're going to see the, you know, the 4K version of this. But yet every time you see a video, it's like the one I sent you of that pink ball flying in the sky. It's like, it's every single time. And it's like, I feel the same way. It drives me nuts.

Like every video, it's like 40. Like even the one that I was going to show. And I'll play it. I'll just play it over the this when we're talking, is that there's another one that, that, that was in San Diego. Yeah. And it's like, you know, it's the same thing. It's just a, it's just a bright ball light moving forward in the sky.

And it's very similar to the thing that I saw in front of my house. And I don't know. It could have been anything. But it's moving quick. It's moving. But it's always these types of videos. It's never, and it's never anything except that. And that's what you need in the next round.

You need, like, somebody, somebody snuck a video that was working in the, whether, you know, the Bob Lazar type people working on the thing. That's the one that I want to see. Yeah. That's, like, there's, somebody took those videos. Yeah. Somebody, you know, in the same way they were working on a, on a new DC movie, and you're like, I got a shot of Superman suit.

Then it gets leaked. Leak the ships. Yeah. Leak the ships. Like, yeah, that's where, that's where we're at at this point. So we need it. We need, we need that, that kind of that shared experience. Something big.

Something big, you know, we always kind of joke the Independence Day, you know, kind of crafts, you know, hovering over, you know, something that everybody's there taking a picture. Right. Because it's, it is, it tends to always be that, oh, is it or isn't it? I don't know. And if it's not, it's someone like, and again, I feel that Luo Xand is very, is credible. But it's always someone like. like him going, oh man, you see

what I got? Well, when are we going to see it? It's like the James Fox video. Same to the the Logan Paul one. It's like that video, if you see that video, when are we going to see it? That's what kind of always stops the conversation or gets the skeptics or the naysayers to go, we need first and accounts. That's one of

them, you know, because some of the Senate hearings and whatnot are people with third, you know, hand accounts or I talk to somebody. It's like, they want that first hand account and we want something that is legit. clear, you know, so that people know, that's just a balloon. Well, yeah, so Pavel, that was in the end of the year, last year, like the end of

2023, November, December, we had that conversation, you know, we talked about, and I think we even talked about it in the last time you're on the show about the, how people were like, oh, wait until when that bill was shot down, or not shot down, but just watered down, rather, that was then everybody, everyone's coming out and saying, oh, wait, now, now watch what happens. And German Corbell was like, okay, you, you want to do it the hard way? We'll do it the hard way. And then the jellyfish video comes out and it causes conversation, but then it goes into the same thing of like, oh, that was balloons or that was this. It wasn't anything clear cut. It was potentially a cool video, but it was nothing clear cut. Like those, to me, the,

oh, you want to do it the hard way, that's, look at this. You can't deny what that is. That's the hard way. Is that coming, you think, ever? I do think that we have been getting like a slow drip of information. And the videos from 2017 were kind of like the first time it was acknowledged that they were real. But yeah, you're right. They're too grainy. It's impossible to tell if they actually are UFOs. But we have come a long way in terms of information and whistleblowers.

And that is what keeps me kind of hopeful, though. And another thing that's coming though, I forgot. and we are going to talk to him. He already confirmed that he's going to come on this show. The James Fox documentary, it's called The Program. And he released some pictures right outside one of Lockheed Martin's facilities. And he is going to talk about the program. You confirmed James Fox?

Yeah. In March, he told me he's going to start talking to the press. And we're going to schedule. We're going to schedule that on this show. Great. Yeah, I've been trying to get him for a bit, so that would be great to get. But, yeah, I just think that that's the thing that's kind of, you're going to, you can't put, Sean Carpatrick's and the Schenkapatrick's of the world are going to be able to do exactly what they did this week.

Because what it does do, by the way, is it does what, I don't want to, you know, say that that has no impact, because it has no impact on us, you know, what Kirkpatrick is saying, because we don't believe him. But the Riley's dads of the world and people like that who stumble upon this and don't know anything about Sternker Patrick because nobody covers him. And they just read this article that people were covering. And then you see it and it says, oh, this guy ran that program and said there's nothing to see here. It's just a bunch of people getting excited about UFOs and stuff. And then that person sees it and reading their Sunday paper or pulling up the internet and going, oh, okay, I'm having a cup of coffee reading it. Oh, this guy used to work for it.

he was in charge of the UFO thing and says there's nothing there. So this is all just hoopla. Okay, I believe you. And then I don't think about it anymore. When we do the grainy footage and we do all that, that gives more merit to Sean Kirkpatrick and those people to the regular people until you can't. So when I had DJ Woolridge on this show, I am waiting for the moment that I can text them and go, well, come on. What would what what what I mean come on and him writing back and going. Okay.

Yeah. That's what I'm waiting for. That moment is nowhere near yet. I don't think. I don't know. I wonder sometimes if it even will get. Right. We could have right. We could have the most clear thing in the world and you know I think that

are certain people out there that just. Nah. That's not going to. You know. Yeah. That that's. It is a tall order to get through the stigma that has been. plugged into this this this culture for years you know that this is just science

fiction and fantasy you know and we have a lot of work to do on that and I hope the day is soon that we can kind of this is it needs to be like okay clear here's a clear shot with our trusted leaders and scientists coming together and saying this is legit because there's going to be a lot of naysayers out there that can go and especially in the world we live in that this is probably CGI or this is probably really great technology or whatever. I believe that day will come, and Pavel, you said it. I do believe that we are making leaps and bounds.

It just feels like they're baby steps right now. All right. Look, this is our show today. We had a good one. We talked about a lot of different things here today. And I wonder, like, I feel like a lot of people who have been watching this show are going to be on the same page that, like, we really need to get to that next step. We really need to find out. when these hearings are going to be, who's going to be at them?

What's the next side of it? How are you going to combat the secrecy? The grainy footage videos and things like that, that's not going to move the needle. It's just going to make people go, oh, okay, another ball of light. What could that be? Balloon. Balloon. Right, exactly.

So what do you think comes next? I'm so curious for all of your comments out there. And I want to thank our guests here today, starting with Pavel. Val, where can they find you if they want to go check out your channel? Yeah. Thank you for having me again. It's been a really great experience before I say anything. The Sicoactivo podcast show just released a new episode today,

where if you are more interested in that consciousness aspect, I do talk a lot about that with my guest from today. And you can find me on Spotify and on YouTube, Cicuactivo podcast. And on Twitter, I'm as Pavely Barrameda, just as you hear it. And I put it in the description as well, too.

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