The Kristian Harloff Show - Disney SCRAPPED A Hunt For Ben Solo Movie?!

Episode Date: October 21, 2025

Disney may have scrapped a Hunt for Ben Solo movie that could've starred Adam Driver and been directed by Steven Soderbergh?! Kristian Harloff breaks down the latest Star Wars rumors and more on today's episode of The Kristian Harloff Show! Topics include: Driver & Soderbergh's planned Star Wars film Anthony Ippolito as a young, Rocky-era Sylvester Stallone Ryan Coogler's reasoning behind rebooting The X-Files Charlie Cox addressing Spider-Man rumors Hulu's Prison Break reboot officially greenlit Tune in for all the biggest movie and TV news, reactions, and breakdowns from across the galaxy! Sponsors: RUGIET: Ready to level up your confidence in the bedroom? Head to http://www.rugiet.com and use my promo code KRISTIAN for 15% off your first order. Upgrade your wardrobe and save on @trueclassic at http://www.trueclassic.com/KRISTIAN! #trueclassicpod Live Better Longer with BUBS Naturals. For A limited time get 20% Off your entire order with code KRISTIAN at http://www.Bubsnaturals.com

So there was a project, Star Wars project that was going to be Stephen Soderberg and Adam Driver, the hunt or search for Kylo Ren. That's what Adam Driver says. And he says that it was Disney who said, no, that doesn't make sense. Apparently Lucasfilm loved it, but Disney said, nah, it doesn't make sense. How's he alive? somehow Kyle Renn did not survive

so we'll talk about that we got TV picks we've got some news about Warner Brothers they're open to a sale they wanted it to happen and we mentioned Disney before

man Disney is reeling from that Tron Ares film boy did that eat a pile of duty lost a lot of money so we'll discuss that and more as I mentioned, TV picks. I saw the Springsteen movie last night. You know, Roxy's going to be excited to hear about it.

I don't know if Roxy saw it yet, but I know she'd want to hear a little bit about it. We share that in common, our love for Springsteen. So that being said, it is the Christian Harlow show here today with myself, Roxy Stryor. Yep, him too. Let's get into it. It is the show. It's Tuesday.

All right. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to the... the show. It is Christian Hall Show here on this Tuesday. Joining me as always is Roxy Stryer coming in hot. There she is. Hi. Michael Kalanowski. What's up? Otherwise known as Michael Kalanowski. Tankman. Yep. Tankman indeed. What's up guys? Roxy, how was your weekend? Oh, my God. I had the greatest weekend. Also, I did see the Bruce Springs. Oh, did you? Yeah. Because he's my favorite artist and I went to see the movie. It was the number one movie that I was dying to see this year.

Did you see it last night or did you see it recently? It saw it last night. You saw it last night. Okay. We'll get into that, I guess, in just a bit. But why was your weekend so wonderful? I love hearing that. My God, man, I just had a great weekend.

It was so fun. Oh, okay. Well, that works for me. I just did. I went to Anderson Pack. opened a new club in Los Angeles. I know that sounds crazy that I did that. But it's like a jazz lounge place with live music.

And I went dancing and it was such a blast. Okay. Good. The Mike, the power of youth. So what about yourself? You guys know who that is? Do you even know who Anderson Pack is? Yeah.

Okay. No. No, Mike doesn't. But I'm not a music. I'm not a musically inclined guy. So don't use that as any gauge. I won't. It was so, I just love dancing and there's not a lot of places to go out dancing and like,

I don't think there's anybody in there under the age of, like I was probably the youngest person in there. So it was nice to not be surrounded by like children. Yeah, I like the jazz clubs. I always wanted to find one of those too. But, well, good. I'm glad to have you guys here. Let's just start with that then, Rox. We'll start with the, with the Bruce Springsteen movie.

I saw it last night as well. My thoughts were the following. Who was that my screening. Do you know that? Who? John Roker. Oh, nice. Oh, he said he was driving there for it.

So that makes sense. Did he leave to say goodbye? Did he say bye before he left? No. No. He left. Did you see him? I texted him.

Oh. I saw him beforehand, though. Probably wanted. I haven't seen him in years. Yeah, he probably wanted to hit the road, get back on it. It's a hell of a road for a long drive. So I enjoyed Jeremy Allen's performance a lot. I think that what I said, I said for, I think this really is for Springsteen fans in general,

because my uncle went with me, who are both fans of Bruce, and it fills in a period of time and answers questions that a lot of Springsteen fans were curious about, because this doesn't, what you should not expect from this film, and it has been highly documented that it is not this. It is not the typical biopic of how did he get discovered, how did he get famous, what did he do, where did he go, how long does, you know, did it span his entire life?

Do you see him in prosthetics as he gets older? No, you do not. It is literally about the Nebraska album, how he came to be the strong. struggles he was going through when he did this. I liked that journey of it. I think there are definitely going to be people who it was funny because it kind of paralleled what was going on as an artist.

He was blowing up at this point and they were just waiting for it. And he was literally filming the born to or recording the born to born in the USA album at the same time as this one. And the difference is like the studio album versus this acoustic album. And everybody involved was like, what's he doing? and it's like that's not what I know. I don't know those songs. I don't know that type of Springsteen. And I think that there's going to be some kind of casual fan that feels that way with this movie.

Because you're not, because you're going to be, oh, I don't know all those songs. You hear a few songs that you may recognize. But if you get past that, I think it's a good story of Bruce, his relationship that he had with this, with this woman and how he has to battle through it. And it's in his battle with depression. And I enjoyed it. I wanted to love it, but I enjoyed it. Again, because I liked seeing Jeremy Allen and why play Bruce.

But Roxy, did you love this movie? What do you think the answer to that is? I think you loved it. Yeah. Yeah. So I think it's like there's five decisions I would have made. Wow, you didn't give yourself the full screen, but you were giving me the full screen. I was really intense.

There's five decisions I would have made that weren't made. So it's not like this was the movie that. that I would have put on the screen. But that's what art is. That's why I was excited about this because while I think it, so for those of you guys who don't know and aren't I have Bruce fans, what Christian just kind of painted the picture of is that this movie is based on a book. So most people knew going into this that are big Bruce fans,

that this was about the making of his album, Nebraska, which is, as you guys know, if you're not big fans, not his most popular album. That's not, it's not his album with Born in the USA. It's not his album with Born to Run. It's not his album with Thunder Road. It's not his album with his greatest hits. It's his album that I would say is probably the least talked about amongst casual fans that he put out that probably Atlantic City would be the big hit on the album.

It's not a huge album of his. So when you're pitching a biopic and you're like, okay, so we're going to make a movie about one of the biggest rock stars of all time. And there hasn't ever been a biopic about his entire life. But instead of doing that, we're going to do about this very specific time period in his life before he became a megastar. When he wrote this album that is that did decently, but is not his most universally loved. It's kind of a strange pitch for a film. If I was in the room when somebody pitched me that that's the Bruce Springsteen movie they were making, I would have been like, hmm, there's about seven other Bruce Springsteen movies that I would have thought that you would pitch me before that.

So I was glad to know all that going in because I very clearly knew which songs were going to be. played in which, and then we did get some songs that were a bit of a surprise to me because of, like you said, Christian, because we are unintentionally writing two albums at one time, we kind to get to be behind the decision making of that process of what goes where. And so I thought that that, like you mentioned, was so cool as a Bruce fan to be like, oh, that's what happened here. Bruce has been doing press for this too. So obviously he's kind of like supporting it. Yeah, supporting it. So I thought that was really cool. But the biggest thing that stood out to me and why I loved the movie is because I'm an artist. And as an artist, I feel like this should be required viewing for agents, managers, publicists, anybody who is in the industry who is of support of an artist because of the relationship of John Landau and Bruce Springsteen. Jeremy Strong was great.

Jeremy Strong was incredible, but he's incredible, and I think he's honestly going to be nominated for an Oscar for this. He could be. As is Jeremy Allen White, as he should be, because I'll get to that in a second. But the relationship there, which I don't want to give any spoilers, but we don't see in biopics almost ever. Right. In biopics, usually what you see is one man's vision and everybody else trying to stop him. Right. Or someone taking advantage of him on that side, right?

Yeah, like the Elvis story. Right, exactly. Even we see it in the most recent I'm complete unknown as well. We see it in Bohemian Rhapsody as well. We see it in so many different movies. So it was really, I thought, incredible to show what it's like when you care about people

more than product. Yeah. And it was a team. What could have happened if you didn't. So this was a movie about men. mental health. It reminds me a lot of the other, a lot of movies this year about mental health. It's no surprise to me that coming out of a, uh, pandemic and a strike and all of the things that we're dealing with and multiple wars going around the world that we are very focused on mental

health right now as a society. Um, and yeah, so it just worked for me. I thought Jeremy Allen White was perfect. He was good. Who's good? I don't know if he's going to get nominated, though. There's zero way he doesn't get nominated. I don't know. I would say zero. I don't even just think he should be nominated. I think he should probably. really win. How are you going to say? There's no world he won. Listen, you know he did all those tracks? He did a lot of them, yeah. And I know that they, at the end, when they listen to them, I was like, are you fuck? Yeah, yeah. No, no, he was great. He was great. I think he was, I mean,

he was, he was, he was really, I love him. He's really solid. Wait, why would you, why, what on earth would leave you to believe that he's not going to be nominated for an Oscar for this? Because I don't know if the movie's getting that kind of buzz. Um, do I think that he should be? it's certainly it's certainly possible oh my god i don't you think a definite 100% yes yes i don't i don't think that anybody could have nailed bruce like this i mean oh i mean that's that's not i don't know if i'm gonna have that debate because i think that he was pretty damn good he's pretty solid his voice like his silhouette look like his the shape of his mouth when he was talking the vein

out of his neck like i know but i think i think he would lose his voice after performing i just thought that it was, I think it's the best performance of his we've seen yet. And I'm a diehard shameless fan going all the way back before the bear. So like, we'll see. We'll see. I wouldn't, I'm just going to tell you that I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't get nominated. I would be shocked. I will tell you that I hope you're right. I hope you're right, but I, I feel like he might get overlooked. Mike, you look like you'd rather be talking about anything else. Yeah, I know. You look so bored with this. So Mike, do you not love Bruce Springsteen at all? Like, do you know Bruce guys? Wow. Don't see anything.

Sorry, Mike. What did you, what did you say? Yeah, definitely. Shut up. I don't know. I like Bruce Springsteen.

I like his music, but I haven't seen the movie, so I really can't weigh in on it. Yeah, I'm glad you guys are people that would be more inclined to know about it if it being good or not since you're such big fans of his. Yeah. Yeah.

I just, I just think that, you know, one of the things is that, and maybe streaming has just, tainted my head. I'm going, oh, man, this just seems like a really great chapter in a streaming series. Like, I was like, I would love to see this better, not, not, not quality wise, rocks. I think quality was right. I mean more so like, because it's this is this contained story.

And I was like, oh, you could lead you could start with this. And then this could be about three or four episodes. And you're like, oh, and then, then you want to see the next one, next one. Because I think that's to your point, Roxie, how engaging he was and how it's just I wanted to see more of the stuff. And completely agree with you there. Yeah. There's one moment where we time jump, but I was like, oh, we've been building towards this and we're going to skip it. Skip a lot. Okay.

Not a choice I would have made. Remember Ryan Nelson? Yes, I do. But, you know, one of the things real quick, Roxy, is that because I think that even when you look at some of the stuff, like, there's the song, it blew up, they blew up the chicken man, you know, earlier. And that was built on a whole, an event that actually happened. that really disturbed Bruce and the news that he went into.

And yes, I know how important his relationship with his father was. And I know that he talked about it in the river and other things too. It wasn't the only driving force behind that album. And it certainly seems like it is in this movie, which is not the case. Like there's a lot of Atlantic City wasn't just about him walking around with a kid and this girl. He was so many other things involved with Atlantic City and other stuff too. They didn't dive deep enough into how deep of an album this one. was for him in theory.

They showed you the impact to how much it meant to him, but all of the driving forces behind us, it seemed like he just got things from movies and other things, too, and there was more to it. But anyway, that's being nitpicky. No, I hear you on that.

While you feel like we should have focused more on that, and I think that's valid, for the first time of my life, I think we could have spent less time on our love life. Yeah, right. They repeated a lot of those beats. I agree with you. Yeah, they were.

were repeated and also there is a child character that ends up not being like super relevant at all and so we spent a lot of time there but so it it's weird to have loved a movie so much this might on my top 10 of the year list yeah and to think that there's a lot of choices I wouldn't have made but just while I was watching it that feeling I felt inside as a Bruce fan was just so exciting but I took Ryan Nelson to this friend of this show because he's the other he's as diehard of Bruce Springsteen fan as I am and we've talked about it a million times like you know we know every song on every album I've read all like just are truly truly obsessed with him and he said the exact same thing that you did when we walked out Christian where he was almost like I kind of wish there was like more of

these movies that it was announced that there was more chapters right like three movies yeah because I don't actually think while this was two hours I don't really think it could have been much shorter but we also couldn't have covered much more no it covered it it it did the right but what I will say is this. Is Paul Walter Hauser in everything? Yeah, he's in everything. Anyway, we spent a lot of time on Bruce and I know. Do you guys want to see Bruce Springsteen delivering me from nowhere?

Do you want to check it out? Put your thoughts in there. Let us know. I will say this. I will say that my prediction, I haven't even seen the movie yet. I already know who's going to win best actor and ain't going to be Jeremy Allen White. I hope he gets nominated, but there's no worldly wins. That's going to go to talk about biopics.

That's going to go Timothy Shalmay. everyone's talking about this Marty Supreme thing. He's winning this year. If not him, then Leo. I just don't think Jeremy Allen White has a shot. But we'll see. Maybe Roxy is right. Check it up.

All right. Let's get to this topic. Last night, while I was going to see the Bruce movie, PLD, our producer, sent me this article. And he said, look at this. This is broke. Check this out. And I saw some puts on wheels saying,

this will be Christopher Harlow's life for the rest of the rest of the 2012. I suck my balls and write about it in the Maryland Post. I couldn't give a shit about this story, to be honest with you, but I wanted to say, like, let's talk a little bit about it and see what everybody else thinks. Hold on. Where is it? Okay. And this is, Adam Driver was doing some press. And he said, Adam Driver has revealed that both he and filmmaker Stephen Soderberg spent two years developing script for a Star Wars spinoff film.

Speaking with the AP, Adam Driver said the script was called a hunt for Ben Solo, with events taking place after The Rise of Skywalker. It would have followed Driver's character, Kylo Ren, on a search for redemption. Driver called it handmade, character-driven, and drew in Paris since the Empire Strikes back. Sutterberg planned out the story with Logan Lucky screenwriter Rebecca Blunt, while his contagion screenwriter Scott Z. Burns also worked on the script. Driver tells the news outlet, I always was interested in doing other Star Wars. I had been talked about since 2021.

Kathleen Kennedy had reached out. I said with a great director, great story. I'll be there in a second. I love that character. I love playing with them. Sotelberg and Driver then pitched the hunt for Ben Solo to Kathleen Kennedy. The Aflone and Carrey Beck at Lucasfilm. The group reportedly were all in.

However, when they took the script over to Disney, they were shut down. We presented the script to Lucasfilm. They loved the idea. They totally understood our angle and why we were doing it. We took it to Bob Eiger and Alan Bergman. They said, no. They didn't see how Ben Solo was alive and that was that. I really enjoyed making the movie in my head.

I'm sorry the fans won't get to see it. It was one of the coolest effing scripts I'd ever be part of. Okay. Let's start with Mike here. You heard the story. Did you hear the story today when we sent it or did you hear it last night when it broke? I heard it yesterday. Yeah, I saw it yesterday.

What are your overall thoughts on this? Uh, Soda Bird, Star Wars, that's pretty awesome. Other than that, like, I don't know. I saw a lot of people online like, oh, we could have gotten this, but now we're getting Mandalorian and Groves. go. I was like, that's like, so after the fact when people talk like that. Like, you know, I don't know, man.

Like, yeah, how is he alive? But again, when's the time frame? You know, where does it take place? I don't know, man. For me, Ben Solo was such a good character originally. And then what he ended up was like, I don't care if I ever see him again. You know, like, lover hate the acolyte. Was it Mani Jacinto, right in that? Man, you can't again.

Yeah, like, I'd love to see him again in anything, that character. He was so good. Like, Ben Solo, what they ended up doing with him. And I don't know, man, you don't kill Hans Solo and then get redemption. So, I don't know, man. No. Doesn't even like you. Like you.

Like you said you couldn't care. I was like, I don't care. Is that what you said? Chris, I couldn't tell at the beginning when you were talking to somebody to suck your balls and write about it. Were you saying you don't care? if this story was I don't care about this story I mean I can tell you. You don't care about the story like you don't care about this movie

you don't care about well I here's the thing is that I actually agree with Mike a thousand percent is that is it amazing that that team that they put together Soderberg that writer Adam Driver it's a great team and it would probably be an interesting movie but I kind of agree where it's like well wait a minute we just killed this guy we went all the way through this angle and we're going to bring them back just because we got a cool pitch. I don't know. And the fans really aren't loving those three movies that we did.

It was probably right in the height of all the hate and everything too. They're like, let's take a break. But whenever they pitched it and he's like, yeah, so I kind of get it. And it was, I thought they totally dropped the ball. I was a big advocate for bringing Palpatine back to relate it to the Plague of Did I ever tell you a story of Dark Plagueis, the White guy who cheat death? They're going to tell us how he cheated death. They're going to tell us that whole thing and how he was able to do it.

The story of Plague is they're going to combine it. And they did a stupid cloning thing and somehow Palpatine survived. So who's to say they're not going to do that again with this one? And they're trying to move on in general. To answer Mike's question that the fans were asking about Mandalorian and Grogo, we've talked about this in depth. They're doing that because it's a business decision instead of spending, $140 million on season

four. No, I know you do. Season four of a show, they're spending $140, that $140 to put it in the theater and try to make some money bag on it. So that's why they're doing that. It's Starfighter, that if you want to say, we're going to get Starfighter instead of this, I would rather have Starfighter personally. Let's leave those characters behind.

I didn't like, I agree with Mike. I don't think they needed to kill off. Excuse me. I don't think they needed to redeem Kylo Wren. They should have stuck with the Truvaro script in the way they were going to do there. Let's put this character to bet. Okay, so I understood 50% of what you were talking about.

Those of you guys who don't remember, I'm extremely casual as a Star Wars fan. So this sounds really dope to me because I'm a movie person. So Soderberg doing a Star Wars movie sounds dope. And I loved Kylo. And Adam Driver is one of my favorite actors of this generation.

So I, and when you say people, they wanted to let it rest because the three movies were not doing well with or not talked about well as the fans. Yeah, but like brought home bank. But decrease each time, decreased in money. Yeah, but still, even though it decreased, they all annihilated at the box office. And I'm, that's me. I don't know. I feel like this would have made them money and I feel like this is so up my alley.

So it's interesting because every time I'm interested in something, Star Wars fans are not. And that's, they shouldn't be making movies geared towards me. It's probably really smart that they didn't make this. But like, when you guys talk about movies, I'm like, Star Wars movies that you want to see happen, I'm like, oh my God, I feel like I could conk out right now.

I have no idea what you're talking about. Yeah. But that doesn't mean that's what they should. do just i heard this and was like that's effing dope wish we saw that i mean again i felt i think that if you can try to find a way to get soterberg back to do a script that would be that'd be amazing but it's the same thing where and i said to pl i said my my problem also is it's still the same management team that's running it and he's like well didn't have a problem with the and or is like he'll already kind of ran that on his own for the most part you know he had obviously

Lucasfilm given him the okay and certain things. You can't just run rogue, obviously. But as I have said many times over, and people do not believe me, and I don't give two shits. Phelony, not a fan of Andor. And, you know, maybe is now as far as what they, what it did.

But he, he would have too much involvement in that Soderberg thing. Kathleen Kennedy, probably the same thing. And the movies are very different than the TV show. So I just don't trust this leadership. with anything much less you're right i'm sure you're right but i understand your point of you too i understand your point of view as well i think that when it comes to wanting to see as a casual fan that character how are they going to do it with that team involved i get it but the other thing i found intriguing though this is something that i always

was very curious about i know that the studio has to greenlight budget i know that they have to green light, certain things. I didn't realize how much creatively that Disney had on this because that's not, not what I'm accustomed to. Certainly it's like, okay, look, we have this thing that we want to put forward. We like this story.

We want to tell this story. Okay, how much is it going to cost? Well, to cost this. Can you bring it down to this? That's usually conversations. It's not, well, we don't want to put that out there. I mean,

it's like morally and all those other things, but like creatively, they have them say no, because we don't want to bring Kylo back on the production. I'm like, well, that's our creative vision. That's where we want to go with it because that's our, it's our character. You tell us how much we need to do, how much money it needs to be in order to get there. But that's, that inflicts on what I used to think.

I used to think that Disney didn't have as much say in the creative, but I guess that they do. Huh. When it comes to tent poles, I would think that always, like, no, especially our big franchises. No, I mean, we've seen time after time creatively they have huge input with Marvel and DC movies. Studios do. No, but this is the direction they're going in when it ties into a bigger universe. Sure, but notes, that's, but again, it's a green light.

Like it's almost like if they were like, okay, Mar, Faggie was like, well, we've got this movie now that, you know, which is next in our saga, which is whatever it is, uh, beef boy. and Beef Boy is crucial to how it ties into this. We need to put Beef Boy up on screen. And Iger's like, well, no. He's like, well, but it's crucial to then get us to hear. No, that doesn't happen a lot. Because they ain't me and ate me and two, at least, you know, again, notes how much is going to be casting decisions, things of that nature.

Absolutely, the studio asks, inquires, does that all the time. but the creative of it, I'm not sure, but... We fire directors for creative differences all of the time. Sure. So I think that that's just the layer that we're not hearing out loud is because we didn't like the direction you were going in with the project. But again, Rocks, a lot of those creative differences have always been creative differences with Lucasfilm,

creative differences with, you know, Kathleen Kennedy, creative this with this. You never really hear they had creative differences with Disney. They have creative differences with Lucas. And it's, but anyway, it would just go run around in circles. I definitely hear what you're saying. I just, I don't necessarily agree, but I hear you. Yeah, nonetheless.

There is a, it's out there now. Iger said, nope, don't want to tell that story. No, thank you. We, maybe, maybe it comes down to it. We just don't want to invest in it. We don't want to. It was the right decision based on you guys who are much bigger Star Wars fans than me.

I think so. I think, you know, you're going to get people who will be bummed about it, But the other thing is this story will be a story today and no one will give a crap about it in a month from now. Have you guys seen any diehard Star Wars fans bummed about this? I mean, just look at the ones that are super positive. Yeah. I'm sure they look. Yeah.

If you've got Star Wars in your bio somewhere, you were upset about this and you want to. Oh, really? I think, yeah, yeah. Yeah, especially like, you know, there are people who love the new trilogy and people like yourself and people who love the new trilogy that would want to see. not a diehard star as person. So. Yeah. It's funny though, too, because I'll tell you, it doesn't matter. Casual fans and in, see, here's the

difference. So I think that the people who really, really love the trilogy will be bummed about it and can bring it up. I don't know if you'll ever bring it up again. That sucks. I would like to have seen that. I will not remember this in one week. I won't remember who was involved at all. There you go.

Exactly. Right. You're bummed at it. You like movies. You like the filmmakers. Why wouldn't you want to see this? Yeah. Harloff and Eric coming in it from we're not diehard Star Wars fans but we've seen the Star Wars that produced during this era it wouldn't make sense it doesn't why and then there's other people doesn't make sense i'm like oh that i didn't know that i didn't know that this way you're coming at it from a uh a very um just

movie lover movie lover you know i say that a lot anytime someone says to me like who asked for this movie what that is the stupidest fucking thing i ever hear when people say that when a movie's made, who asked for this? Ray-ho. You have the movies you got in this world. Like if lethal weapon, like, who asked for this movie? What a buddy come? Who asked for this?

And it's one of the greatest action comedy movies of all time. Like, I can't stand people like that. But like what I hate- Carlop and I are coming into this from just bad mistake after bad decision. Yeah, that's a bad idea. The team's in the basement. But here's the thing that I've seen in the comments again, where I always push back and say,

You really, you overuse it. You don't know how it works. Someone said, Star Wars is dead. No, it's not. It's in trouble. It's on the robes. It's not dead. Dead means that no one is interested anymore.

Dead means that if they're dead. Tron's got a good shot of being dead. I'll tell you this. You guys say that. You say that, but I guarantee there's some Tron thing in the works right now. You're right. I said it's close to being dead. It's close.

But, no. Okay, let's ask you this. Let me ask you the two of you guys this. What franchise or thing? Do you think is dead? Because I'm telling you, this is Hollywood, and nothing's fucking dead. Completely dead? I'm with you.

Yeah. Completely. I can't think of one off the top of my head. I've never used that expression before to describe a movie or TV show. Right. It's usually like in what state of trouble is it in, right? Because at one point, you could have, and been wrong, said Batman is dead after Batman and Robin. No one wants to see Batman anymore.

I think the DCEU is dead. Like there's franchises that are dead. That's a good way. That's a good way to say. 100%. But even then. Jerry, see everything to say.

I know. You're like, you're poking the bear this morning. I think. Right. Right. So, but either way,

listen, listen. We're going to get back, we're going to get back into some stuff because we'll talk about that Tron thing and other things. But the question is, overall, what do you guys make of this story?

Do you care? Do you not care? Do you think it would have worked? Do you like the team that was involved? Put your thoughts in there. Let us know. Slap a little mustard on it. Mustard! Exactly. All right. Let's get into the next topic. Before we do, I got to tell you, look, again, another true classic sporting here today. I love true classic. And I'm going to tell you about Bubbs, both of them, big fan of both. Yeah, you will. You'll say thank you. Bub's natural. And, of course, true classic. I love it my true classic shirts. I love my true classic shirts.

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Just remember that. You didn't say bye to me last night. Right. So remember that. So you can say bye to him if you pass him at 72. That's what I'm saying. Okay. So you have 18 today.

Can you do it? I'm not sure. Yeah, people are trying to put examples. of what's dead and everybody's wrong. Yeah, what are they saying? What are they saying? Someone said diehard's dead. No, wait until with AI and everything else to, Young McLean, everything else to, it's not dead. By the way, I don't think the CCEU is even dead.

I think that that at some point will come back to. I agree with you. You never know. Nothing. Now, again, life support. I'll give you that. Bad, bad shape. Someone said spy kids. There's no world where spy kids is dead. As long as there is money. They'll do another one. as long as there is money to be wrung out of that stone.

Yeah. Something's not dead. This is, again, people don't understand. Someone writes, AI. Dot, question, question, come on. I'm talking about 20 years, 30 years, 40 years. You don't know. Come on.

I'm not talking about today, guy. I'm talking about it. You don't know. That's the point is you can't say anything is dead inside the industry. That's what I'm trying to say, like, I'm trying to think is there, though, that like something no one would touch. There is nothing. Okay, let me ask you this. Okay, let me, I'm going to flip this around on you guys.

What kind of thing out there do you think should be dead? Because I know what I've got. As far as. Zoolander. As far as making movies. Zoolander. Every franchise is going to try and do TV shows. They're going to try and do different things.

I say for me, the film franchise of Indiana Jones should be dead. And it won't. Now, I would love to see an animated show. But then it won't be dead. I know, as I'm saying. I'm just saying, yeah. So I guess you're right. There is always some way.

Like, Dyer, you know, there is that, there's that prequel script for Diehard that has been going around for forever. Yeah. And you know someone wants to do that. Somewhere, if some new up and comer that's like, oh, this is the new Bruce Willis. They're like, oh, shit.

Here we go. Anyway, it. So that debate will go on and on and on. Yeah, go ahead, Ross. When I was with Ryan, he told me that he was walking by at an AI film festival. And he went, Christ Almighty. went in to see it and that it was like it's all i didn't know that there were this many

i movies out i'm telling you it was a festival of all ai movies right um i think that should be dead and this and this is the thing that's going to happen is that our generation is going to stamp against this say no the generations i think millennials um yourself you know obviously even think gen jen z are going to push against AI. I think what is going to happen eventually, though, is that the younger generations are going to embrace it. Whether or not they should or not, I think that they're going to.

And eventually, we will all be dead. Roxy. Go ahead. It's interesting. Yeah, Roxie. It's interesting. I don't know if you started seeing stuff like this, but they're called verticals. Mm-hmm. They're films that are like two,

three minutes. Like, to me, that, I don't ever want to do anything like that. And if you're a filmmaker of a certain age or older and you're doing those. I mean, I guess our industry sucks right now, so you're trying to find work anywhere. But I saw a film set and they had it set up vertically. And I just like, the whole language of cinema and film is horizontal. So, but again, like Harlov said, this is a generational thing.

I think there are kids that grow up on their phones that sure, you could turn your phone sideways to watch stuff, but they don't anymore. They film themselves like that. So I'm an outdated relic that eventually I'll be one of these. Tarantino or Scorsese is like, no, it only needs to be on cinema of 35 millimeter. But my thing needs to be horizontal. Our buddy screw face, John is. We're taping the show right now.

Our buddy screw face John is in the comments right now. And he said, it's happening now. And it's going to happen before we're dead. I say, there's a difference. I'm saying that there's going to be those all, they're definitely going to happen. As Roxy said, there's a freaking festival. There's going to be huge pushbacks. You look at Gremmer Lator.

the other day who was saying who said he did his speech and then he said f a i at the end of right there's going to be that pushback from these generations i think eventually the pushback will stop because it's going to be just part of the culture i think there's i just think that that that is now again probably for the wrong i would say for the wrong but it's going to happen because it's just going to be it's going to be what these people know kind of growing up to to mike's question earlier and to what what Christian just was talking about. I agree that I'm not watching verticals because it's just not what interests me.

And when I scroll by one and I see a vertical, I'll put it on for like 15 seconds and be like these actors are horrible. And I don't mean that meanly. I just mean I think a lot of people who are booking this are people who have never taken a film class who have never taken. So they don't know what they're doing

because they're not trained. So if I actually like the quality of the vertical, I would have no problem watching it. but it's hard for me to get on my high horse about verticals when we have stuff like AI. I would so much rather the next generation adapt things to their format than have computers writing entire script, which is what's happening right now. Yeah. Like, Rox, there was a thing.

I don't know if you guys saw it. It was a couple of years ago. I think you Instagram tried to do it. It was a TV show shot for Instagram, I think. And it was like in segments, but it was like ahead of its time. And I remember they had, I want to say he was a pretty, not a big name star, but he was a well-known actor that he got in this. No, smart ass. But it was interesting because they were trying to use the format of Instagram and the reels and the stories on that.

And this was probably about four or five years ago, maybe before the pandemic. And I was like, that's pretty awesome. I would do it in a heartbeat. I would have no qualms doing something. If I loved the script and it was being shot vertical, it's not my preference, but I would do it. I don't have a problem. Well, it was Quibb. Quibb was the was the site. It was before Quibi.

It was for that. But it's also like the format doesn't allow you like it seems like it's a per like small intimate drama. I was like you're not going to be doing an action scene. Like anytime someone clips out on Instagram a scene from an action movie, I'm like, I can't even watch what the hell's going on here. Yeah. Because you don't see.

You don't see the frame in horizontal. It just was made for. It's an interesting topic. It's an interesting debate. It's. interesting in general and i'm curious what you guys think about it put your thoughts in there about all this different things about the the dead franchise the ai of it all let us know um okay we're going to move on to a few more topics before we get to your questions and we mentioned

tron eating a big pile of duty well it did bad real bad um tron arius is headed for a $132 million loss. Yikes. That's bad. All right. Disney, quarterly head of four a $132 million loss on the recently released Tran, Ares film following new details about the film's budget and the box office performance. Deadline reports that the film's net production budget came in ultimately at $220 million, not the $170-180 million figure that was out there, and that's including Canadian tax credits. As of Sunday, the film closed out its second weekend with $103 million worldwide.

including a 67% drop-off. As a result, the projections for the films worldwide seems to be 160 million. Trade estimates that on those numbers, the film will ultimately land on a total of 214.8 million in revenue with 72.2 million of that being the studio share of the theatrical run, 37.6 in home entertainment, 100 of global television rights.

Put that anywhere, Mike. And a further 5 million for the airlines, resulting in $214.8 million. On the cost side, the $220 million budget also has added to its $10.5 million global P&A spend plus $10.8 in other costs and $14.2 in residuals, bringing the film's cost to $347.5 million. It was previously reported. It is expected that Disney intends to put the franchise on ice when it comes to make more big screen outings. Okay, so that's like, perfect.

That to me goes back to our conversation. We're talking about like things that are dead and Tron and Roxy, rightfully so said Trian is dead. It was a joke. No, I know, I know. But that's a good one to pick right now. It's certainly, as they say, it's on ice. But even as Mike mentioned beforehand with the Indiana Jones thing,

there was what everybody seems to say is that the best thing that was done with Tron was that animated series that they did. I've never seen it, but I heard it was great. I think that the problem, there's a lot of problems with this movie besides the besides the obvious one of too much money on a franchise that didn't even do well on the second movie. And now 15 years later or whatever it was they bring it back. The other problem was, and I do not think he was the, I thought he was good in it, Jared Leno. I do.

I think he was good in the movie. The problem was he's not a movie star. He's just not. He's not a movie star. He's a really good actor. He's not a movie star. And the majority of his movies, you can look at a lot of movies that he's done. that don't do good.

And people don't like the dude. People don't like the dude. And you got to have, and I understand why he was in it. He was a producer of the movie. So, but it was a bad choice to have him as the lead. It was a bad choice. As much as I thought he was good,

good in the movie. I thought the story was pretty stupid. Visually, it's gorgeous. I mean, it is gorgeous visually. But I just ain't enough to get people into the movies and spend money. That franchise is, it's in the shits, Rocks. Yeah, I think it's partially what you're, it's definitely what you're saying,

Christian about Jared Leto. Remember when I said the I've never seen somebody need a publicist, a good publicist as much as Kathleen Kennedy does. That's how I feel about Jared Leto. Like he so desperately needs a PR campaign that he is not going through. He's got to decide to do one of two things. He's either got to decide to be the next Russell brand and just start his podcast, go super right. Right. Deal with that audience. Or he needs to like really, really. rain it in. Remember, he is a Oscar actor and start doing some indies and build up like

Robert Pattinson's style and just stay in that wheelhouse for a while until he gets something and gets the audience behind him again. Because people can't stand him and it's everybody. It's a good actor. So that is just, it's the weirdest part. There's all these rumors around him, right?

Like, does he have a sex cult? And it's like, I don't even know what I'm talking about when I say that. I just... That's hilarious. Because I don't. I have no idea. I've just heard so many people like, he does this, he does this. And I'm like, I literally don't actually know anything about this man. Right.

Other than people, he sent used condoms to Margot Robbie. He sent a dead rat to somebody. It's like, what the hell's wrong with this dude? And why do I know any of that stuff? And I don't even really know any of that stuff. So I just think he really desperately needs to change tactics. However, even if this movie starred somebody that we loved, I still don't know that this would have made money.

because I feel like people when Mike was making fun of earlier who asked for this I'm not going to say who asked for this but I don't know people who were clamoring for this movie at all and then I don't feel like the marketing got people clamoring more so I don't know if this had who's the most popular person right now

like if this had Jeremy Allen White whoever like some young hot star at the lead would that make up 132 million dollar difference. No. It would it it it's in look they were also Mike I think missing the they went away from the Kaczynski storyline which he set up and right even though it was it didn't crush it's still completely not only did you just completely go right hand turn and get away from it even though you're setting up no we're going to bring him back in the fourth one. It's like too late jagoff but they you know when it comes to and then Jeff Bridges is in it for like two seconds just to tie it together it's so there was a lot wrong with it. For sure. Did you see it, Mike? I didn't.

Nope. Okay. And no interest. Probably won't. I did see the second one. I think I saw it once. Okay. You know, it's again, I think this is a good example of the whole thing we're talking about all day today where it was that franchise wasn't dead.

It was on life support and someone decided to go, this is going to be what's going to bring it back. Like, I get it. But you make this movie for $30, $40 million then. You don't make it for, if their budget was more than. than the last one. Small. Small. Okay. All right. No, no, no. No, no. No, no. It was, it was.

No, I agree with you. It was not small. It should have been small. This I'm saying. It made $110 million. So if you made this for $30 million, you're like. Right. It's like it's the old. I know. It's like ballerino. That would be like ballerino. Here's the thing, though.

The, the sexy thing about this movie is the visuals. Yeah, is the visual. It is. It's the way it looks. And you got to pay for that. And you just cannot make. that movie for $30 million. You just can't. Okay.

I get it. It's something that I don't have understanding or awareness of, and it really only put it on my map when we saw Warner Brothers cancel the Batgirl movie. Yeah. Is it possible that this is a good business decision and they're using the entire thing as a tax write off and they were like, we don't really care how much money this loses? No, because they released it.

so even when if they release it and it's in a deficit they can't use it as a tax right of no you have to you have to can the movie yeah that was the whole reason behind it it they he's got scrapped the whole entire thing you'll never see if yeah i thought an l was an l and that you could use that towards your tag no no no because there's no because there's no i believe that that's why i was asking yeah um that's what they tried to do with acme the acme movie too but that they went up selling it um anyway much money to lose i mean a lot of movies crossed $132 million. Like they could have put out two more,

they put out $270 million, $65 million movies. You know what's funny though, too, is that I was going to say, because there's always that conversation at one point of the year, the beginning of the year of the year of who won the previous year out of the studios, right? And Warner Brothers is just crushing this year

and having so many wins. And I was like, well, Disney's losing, at first I said Disney's losing this money. They're going to be in trouble. I was like, oh, no, wait, Avatar comes out in December. Avatar's going to win the whole damn thing for them with one with with one run um yeah right you know like just no just and zootopia they've they've had zootopia and those two movies alone any any money that they that's i think that that's the

thing though with this movie is utopia is disney animation yeah or yeah it's disney that pixar so when you look at when you look at disney when you look at this story if this was universal right or paramount you're like oh they're in trouble they're in trouble and paramount i guess not out they have money coming out of their assholes but like when but beforehand and you look at you look at it and you go they're in trouble because they got nothing else this here is like yeah we lost that but avatars coming out like avatar it's going to make speaking of like paramount and you know parent wanted to buy um yeah well we're going to talk about that let's let's let's let's let's let's let's hold that because that's our next story okay all right so then i'll start

with this or end with this rather what do you guys make of the tron airy story uh did you see the movie? Did you like it? Did you not like it? Are you surprised that it ate a pile of duty? Put your thoughts in there. Let us know. All right. Well, when Mike bangs on pots and pans in the background, we will bring up the story that he just alluded to. And that is, again, this sale of Warner Brothers discovery. Is it going to happen? Well, they're open. to it. They're definitely open to it. That means it's going to happen, in my opinion, if they're open to it and talking about it openly. But that's hilarious that picture from Dark Horizons. The Board of Directors at Warner Brothers Discovery has finally acknowledged a potential sale of the company as they've initiated a review of strategic alternatives to maximize shareholder value. The wording comes from a press release issued this morning in which the board reveal it has received unsolicited interest from multiple parties and is contemplating them under consideration of the previously announced split and spin off of a the company, a transaction for the entire company, and separate transactions for his Warner Brothers and or Discovery Global business. There's also an alternative separation structure being potentially offered, which would allow for the two entities of Warner Brothers and spinoff Discovery

global to merge. David Zazol, the president and CEO of Warner Brothers Discovery, said in a statement the studio has receiving interests from multiple parties, which has led to this review initiation. The news comes as Warner Brothers Discovery announced a price hike for all the plans on That's HBO Max streaming services with the ad support tier of $1.1099, gross. The standard plan up to $150 to $1849 and the premium plan of $2 to $22.99. That's a jump. The price increase goes into effect effectively immediately with existing subscribers getting 30 days notice.

Everybody's doing that now. Everyone's building up their prices. But we'll actually start with this. The sale, I think you bring that up to the share of, oh, yeah, we're acknowledging it now. I think it's obviously been in the works. We've heard these reports. If I'm going to give you, you're going to give a percentage right now out of 100,

what do you think the chances are that they're going to sell? Oh, I have no idea because I'm so clouded by the fact that I really hope this doesn't happen, but clearly think it's going to. Okay. I don't know what percentage means things that it's going to, but yeah. Well, clearly it probably pops into the 90s. No, no, no, no. No?

No, not 90% because you just never know. with disputes like this, 90% is like almost certain to me. So I don't know. Okay. Mike, what about yourself? You got a percentage? That it happens? Yeah.

Man, I don't know. I'm like Roxy. But I think I'm a little bit probably more jaded in a sense that I think this in our industry is in such trouble right now. It's just, I don't know, man. Everything that's going on in this world and seeing that like, you. like I can't even I don't know man like Fox with Disney

that was such a bad idea like to drive around this town and see studios that were hundreds of years closed and not there and I live next to Warner Brothers so what's this gonna say Paramount now and it's like I don't think the lot's gonna go anywhere but yeah I know I hear you say it won't be the won't be the lot

they said that about the Fox lot and everything's moved off the Fox lot yeah it's not gonna be the WB Tower anymore like it's staple of like sure like It's to the point. It's not the 80s and 90s anymore. Corporations own these studios. They're not run by executives.

They're not run by creatives anymore. It's, it's, you know, they try and find, you know, the tax writeoffs and this and that and this. It's,

nothing good is going to, for me, nothing good is going to come of another studio buying. And we talk about it's like, so Paramount, you said is, you know, where did they become flush with cash all of the sudden?

Like, as much as I love them. You guys know I love them. It's like a pot. Mission of Pop. possible that past two films have not I don't think Skydance. I don't think Skydance own them.

The, that, whatever his name is, either the first or second richest man in the world bought them. And he's the one Skydance. Yeah. And it bought, well, and Skydance and Paramount. Yeah. So

then he's the one that is looking into also taken over and buying Warner Bros. And that is ultimately why I think I will throw a percentage of if it's going to be sold. whether it's sold to Paramount is a different percentage, but in general, I'll put it at 91%. That is going to be sold.

But I'm also, I'm hoping, and I don't remember any of this with Disney and Fox. Like the United States government, they have saying like, you know, anti-monopoly laws and antitrust laws, this is them forming a monopoly. Like, and there's reasons why that is not just for the movies, it's just corporations in general. It's like why AT&T couldn't buy Verizon or they would fight that. Like when you've got all the power consolidated in smaller amounts instead of spread out, that's a monopoly. And it's not good for any like look at Blockbuster and look what happened with that.

Like monopolies aren't good. And I know there are people in the comments fighting like, well, this is better. And it's like, no, it's not. Not to make this political, but Mikey, you see Donald Trump laying down the hammer on no. I'm not cool with Paramount buying Warner Brothers. Oh, when did he say that? No, I'm saying. I know you're saying, Roxy.

I think I see that happening. To me, I don't. And not because of being liberal California. I see it's because he's a businessman and he loves monopolies. He loves power grabbing and power grabbing. Well, but to play politics there, the reason why he would be okay is because the guy who owns Skydance is a buddy. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.

It's all politics. Of course. Anyway. So we can go around around. Now, whether the monopoly and all that stuff, I don't disagree. But as far as percentage goes, yet 91, because they want it to happen. And money makes the world go around, unfortunately. And that is exactly what's going to happen here.

But what do you guys think? Is it going to get sold? Should it get sold? The fact that they have now openly said, we want to sell this thing, man, or we're open to selling it. What do you think? Put your thoughts in there. All right. Let's do this last story.

I'm going to get to TV quick. Well, actually, you know what? I'm not going to do this story because we're not enough time and I want to get to Roxy's TV. So let's get to Roxy's TV picks. So there's some really good ones on here, Rocks. We're going to start with, let's see, because I'm so curious to see where you are or were with this one. I finished. Yes, you finished the whole thing.

Yeah, I finished task. It's good. You didn't love it. No, no, I thought it was, it's not a top 10 show of the year for me, but I thought it was really good. And I think they stick the landing, which is really important. Did you finish? Yeah. They ended strong. Yeah. When we were on the penultimate episode, I had caught up. So I thought that it was the finale. And I was like, what? Crazy. Crazy penelper. That that that was crazy. Um, so I was really glad that we did that in the penultimate. And then we got the

finale to like really, um, figure things out. But yeah, Tom Pelfrey's amazing. I just, I have always always loved him. I like the story. My, my major qualm with the show is that there was not one thing that happened that I didn't predict. Oh, okay. I felt like this was a very, um, formulaic in terms of who, where the reveals were, who the, when the twists were and who was doing things that shouldn't have been doing what they were doing from like jump. I was like, oh, this person's actually this, this. This person's this. This is this. So, the, That didn't make the show any less good because the show is really well done. It just wasn't as exciting when I was right about all of the stuff because it just,

it followed a very like TV reveal structure and was insanely well done. So like great formula. They followed it to a T and I love both these actors. So I would recommend this show to a ton of people. It's just what's preventing it from being my top 10. I think Mike would love this show. Yeah. A lot of people would love the show.

It's super easy to love because it's very well done. And there's nothing to like say badly about it. It's really good. How is this? Because I know my wife's going to be looking forward to this one. I think this comes out this week. You watched it right? I saw, I went to the premiere.

Oh, okay. The first two episodes of Nobody Wants This. So I'll only see the first two. I love season one. Obviously, this is right up my alley. Number one, because Jew and the amount of Jewish joy in telling an American Jewish story. I think it's so important right now. Is that really funny?

I just love you. I love what I love what you. I love what you always like that. This is for me. I'm a Jew. I love it. Totally. I mean, it's a show about a rabbi. I think it's very important to understand what it is to be an American Jew right now. And without making political, society doesn't know what the difference between certain kinds of Jews are. So I think it's really cool when we have a beautiful romantic comedy about a Jewish guy and a goy girl and like figuring out their differences in love and it's so, so witty. The first two episodes were awesome. What I've heard is that the rest of the season's even better, but I loved the first two episodes.

So this was one of my top ten shows of last year and it probably will be this year too. I can't talk highly enough about the show. All good. Sadie will be excited. All right. Next one. Do you guys remember me talking about the diplomat? Yeah, I do.

Okay. So season three dropped. and I decided to start watching last night because I was like, oh, okay, I want to make sure I'm adding a lot of stuff to Christian's show and I want to make sure I'm talking about all the new TV shows. So let me just squeeze in one episode. Before I knew it was four in the morning

and I'd watched four episodes of this because this show is so addicting. It is for people who love the West Wing, but also for people who love scandal. It's like a more soapy version of the West Wing kind of. but it is so you don't know what's going to have. Talk about a show I can't predict. They make choices.

I'm like, what? I love Kerry Russell. I love the Americans. I think that the show is like absolute top tier. Netflix, elite. Love it, love it. Okay. Next one after that.

Okay, I'm a little conflicted on Gen V because I love this universe and love the boys. But Gen V this season feels like a tee up for. the boys. It feels like an assist for the boys more than just a season of Gen B. I loved Gen V season one. So I still love these characters. But sometimes we just get so bogged down in certain plot points because we're leading to the boys. And I'm like, can't we just have a little bit more fun? This showed a lot of heavy lifting to do because one of their stars died. And so they had to deal with that and and right around that. And in the show, they made it so that he died. So there's also like a lot of heaviness to this show in a universe that's kind of raunchy and light sometimes. It's

feeling very heavy. That being said, I still love this world. I love these characters. And I'm interested to see where they go. I think we have one episode left. Only murder's in the building. I can't believe we're this many seasons deep and it's as good as it is. I love that they're just letting Merrill Streep rip. they give her a different accent every episode and tell her to like go do an assignment they've made her basically kind of like a spy and so we just have full 15 minute scenes

where we're watching Meryl Streep 10 minute scenes watching Meryl Streep like put on a new character that's not why the show is great but that's just one aspect where I'm like this show just has so much fun they are messing around and it's a joy to watch

and a lot of shows I'm watching right now are very dark And this is just an absolute joy. Oh, we did that one. So that's it. There we go. Okay, good picks there from Roxy Stryor. We got a bunch of good ones. You know, I did start, I don't know how many episodes am I in?

Five of Black Rabbit. I think you said that it was kind of like a fun soap opera. I think that you said, you said, I'm on also five, Christian. I'm not done with it yet. So maybe, is that true? It's like four or five that I'm on. One of the ones do it. And I remember you saying that, and it does feel like that.

It's enjoyable to watch, but it's, it's like a super enjoyable. It's like a soap opera for sure. All righty. Well, that's Roxy's TV picks. Put your thoughts in there, guys, on the Clips channel, wherever it might be. All righty, let's get to these questions. And before we even do that, I've told you so many different times so far about our good friends over at Strawberry. I've told you about Rougiette.

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pretty great. All right. Guys, that moment of truth. Questions? You got 36 36 thus far Let me ask you Roka had what 70 something you said 71 When you started the questions

Do you remember what he was at? I think around 40 So not bad 36 you got right now So let's see what we can do Yeah I always double check that to be Sometimes YouTube does this thing

Where I'm going to double check I'm going to see where our first one is actually And sometimes it's wrong So there might be one extra. There might be one less. But the first one I got here is Ben Davis. A Ben's solo movie should be an instant greenlight. I thoroughly disagree.

And I think Mike does two. Roxy agree. I disagree 100%. Yeah. I don't think I said I agree with that. Oh, okay. I thought you said that you just that you want to see it. I don't think I'm in any position to say what should be greenlit by

I just said, cool. Oh, okay. Like it. All right. Well, then I stand corrected. Well, I have no idea what should be greenlit by them. I clearly have no idea. I didn't know that.

People thought that this didn't make sense because how would he come back? I don't know. Okay. Fair enough. Roxy's spitting truth here. I like it. Let's see. So the first one then, Disney's forgot.

Yeah, that was the first one. Okay. So we are then in the right here. Ben Davis started us off with a Ben Solo thing. Oh, Roxie, I wanted to give you an update because we did it in the air. I talked about it yesterday. Really, really great shape with the pilot right now.

Final draft has been submitted to, and a lot of your, and I'll tell you this off, actually a lot of your notes were incorporated. Great. I'll give you one. The Walmart joke, remember that one? Yeah. It's gone. That whole scene gone.

So there's this. Was that hard to cut? Yes, but then when it made more sense that in yesterday, Saul read it yesterday, and he read the final draft of it. Why? I wanted to get a New Yorker's opinion on it. Oh.

About authenticity, too. And he, um, I didn't mean why like that. I didn't know that he was a writer. Um, and he, um, he called on the show into the show yesterday and talked about it. And the note and PLD said the same.

thing and again i i will absolutely i didn't want to i didn't want to send it to you again because again uh a i know how busy you are um and i didn't want to and i didn't want to impose on you but if you want to read the new final i will absolutely send it to you 100 percent i would love to get your thoughts on it um christian i intend i'm being big part of this project i know you are i know you are i know so all right i'll send it to you because i i like i said i just didn't want to i didn't want to assume i'd love to mean obviously you have incorporated your notes um so uh we he said and because I was we were worried about how likable the main character is and everybody has said this draft has made him more likable and that's and that's important so can I tell you something sure you got to wait till I'm dumb with it before you get offended sure so because you talk about it on the show a lot of people in our space know that you're doing a pilot okay and I keep getting asked if I've read it and people are like how is it like who people people just like yeah I'm going to say five people in our space.

I've said, have you read it? And my line is, don't get a fan of it yet. My line is, it's shockingly good. And the reason I say that is not because I didn't believe

in your ability to write a good script, but just is really hard to have a very strong pilot. And especially with the topics you're talking about, like with the theme of the show, I think people have had qualms with like, industry shows sometimes. I'll just leave it at that.

So to make something innovative, that's my line every time I'm like, it is shockingly good. I am not offended by that at all. But that's what I've been saying to people? And then people are like, what do you mean shockingly? I'm like, no, not because Christian's not talented.

It's just like, when I read it, I was like, damn, that's fucking good. Like I am, not at all. I've gotten that from, and I can tell more conversations about it when it comes down the line. I will say that there's, There's two reasons.

One, Martina and I work off each other very well. Yes. Very well. She is very funny. She is very talented. I can feel her influence. I don't know her well, but I can feel like, yes. It doesn't feel like.

No. She has brought that character. It is, as the show should be, it is a total balance. It is not overpowered by me. The first draft that I wrote of this thing a while ago was overpowered by me. It had good structure to it. And it's what got her interested in it. But we read, we gutted the whole thing.

and just took the characters. We even changed her name. Her name was something different. And we changed it. We made a different character in general, where she was, what her career was, all these different things.

Yeah. Yeah. Greg was asking me about it the other day. And I was like, yeah, I like really want to be involved with this, not because it's Christians, because I love the material.

Thank you. And also because it's yours. But like, I just, I really liked it. Thank you, well, I get,

I, you have it. You have it. I have texted it to you. Mike, I didn't think you'd want to read it. So I didn't, I didn't even ask you. But I mean, you don't, you don't. Yeah, I just been an actor for 25 years. But yeah, if you want to read it, I'd love, okay, I'll send it to you too.

I didn't, I would love, I would love to get your opinion. I don't like to assume. I don't like to assume. You know what I mean? I get it. What? I was dancing and I met somebody that knows you, Mike. Oh, me? Yes.

Yes, you just said I've been active for 25 years and that made me remember. that I had a whole tipsy conversation about you this weekend with somebody who really likes you. All right. Well, think about that. Think about that. Guy or girl. I don't know in this moment. Oh, Roxy.

Were you shit-faced? I was very drunk. Okay. J.C. I like shit-faced, Roxy. I was a fun drunk. I was buzzing. I was bopping around.

I got like 10 texts the next day. Like, you're such a blast. I was like, hey. You're a super fun drinker. Rocksey, you're watching the Rainmaker show on Peacock? what's the rainmaker? The remaker was, I'm assuming, I'm assuming it's based off of the Grisham,

it was Grisham, right? It is. Yeah. And it's that, because I know Francis Ford Coppola did a version of it with Matt Damon, but I don't know if there's a TV show. Yeah. Actor of 25 years.

So clearly, Roxy is not. Beto power. Yeah, I guess it's been that fucking long. Wow. How about that task finale? I don't love Ruffalo's and outspoken celebrity,

but man, he can act. He was so good. And that, best show the year. after and or soul healing. I will say, after watching the whole thing, rocks, he asked me last week,

where do I stand? Andor task, I will say Andor slightly edges it out, slightly. But task is so solid. It was so good. Think it would have to get the landing

because if they didn't, then it ruins a show. It's funny, though, that you say that because I normally call out the predictability side of things. It shocked me a few times. I get that.

And if it had shocked me. Yeah, then you remember we loved it a little more? Yeah, yeah. Like there's, you know, there's one character who has that major, like, I don't want to. Yeah. All right. Whatever. All right. We'll talk about it off air. Wiley, Wiley, Taw. What's up, Wiley? I read the book that Springs the movie is based on. I'm really hoping it's starting with him leaving the band and needing to go solo really excited. I don't want to tell you where it goes. You have to go check that out. But it's definitely about the solo album.

I, Wiley, would really try to go into this without hoping. for the story that you want to be told to be told and just try to watch the story that's being told. Because otherwise, we all have certain aspects of Springsteen that we want to see, and a lot of aspects that you want to see and that I wanted to see are not in this. Hey, Mr. CJ. Roxenert, Rox, did I come up with that, or has that always been a thing, Roxanne? No, I don't think anybody who's called me Roxinator, but yet. So I came up with that. Okay, good.

Here's an interesting ghost recommendation for the CJX 2000. What Lies Beneath? see that one? What's that? That's with Harrison Ford and who else is in that one? Michelle Pfeiffer, but I love Michelle Pfeiffer. Do you guys think that Michelle Pfeiffer is the hottest person that walked the face of the earth? No, but I think she's, but I think

she's very attractive. Because I think she might be the hottest person that's walked the face of the earth. Like still to this day. She's a smocked. Very pretty woman. Holy crap. If you get my drift. All right, Ralph. When you said pretty woman, man, everybody is fine. he he he he he he he hey

hey rha perfect um okay there you go ralph thank you ralph 40 31 to go to tie or to beat no tie roken eric slaby

what are your thoughts on the Forbes list showing the profit of each Star Wars film for Disney solo made more than I thought it makes even less even clearer that Iger dropped the ball forcing them to release in May I didn't see all that, but I mean, that was, that's highly. Iger, 100% dropped the ball by putting that movie out in May. He was working on an old structure and that's where, I mean, I don't defend the Lucasfilm team much,

but they were very adamant to put that thing out in December and they should have. It would have done significantly better had you put that out in December, significantly. I believe you. Yes. Ralph! Hey, Harlow, on Nolan rewatches, any opinions changed on any of his movies. ones you like more or less curious what you'll think of tenant again it's a great conversation um so i think again interstellar watching it again made me realize we talked about this last week i enjoyed it even

more than i did in the past exception just one of my favorite movies at all times stayed the same prestige bumped up there a little bit more anyone i mean dunkirk was the only one and that that reaction comes out it was supposed to come out today but the editors are off for holidays will be back on Thursday. So I think that's when it comes back, when it'll come out. Dunkirk, to me, is probably the only movie I've seen so far, and not by much, that I like just a little bit less than I did previously. I still love it.

Whoa. But just a little bit less. Did you, what was the other World War II movie that I loved that came out the year that Dunkirk came out with Churchill? 1917 or 1918? No, no, no, World War II. Church War II and Churchill. It was a call.

Gary Old War II one, right? Churchill. It was called Churchill? Yeah. Was it? I thought it was. Maybe I'm wrong. No, I think it's all, not all, all, all on the front or, hold on you're right.

It's something else. You're right. Darkest hour. Darkest hour. I remember liking Dunkirk, but loving darkest hour. You know what, Roxy? I think that maybe that's why also because I really love that. I saw them both back to back like days.

It was like I watched Dunkirk then I said or I had seen Dunkirk in the theater and then I watched Dunkirk again and then watch Churchill because they just, they work with each other. Yeah. It's literally about him setting up the Dunkirk, the ships and all that. And so I remember really loving both of them at the same

time. Maybe that's why they didn't have the counterpiece this time around. I don't know. Alexander Wilson, blowing up the chicken the chicken man was referring to the death of Philly mafia by Phil Tester. That's right, who was killed by a bomb placed underneath his porch. Right. And none of that was, none of that's covered. And when he's talking about it. Now, it's

that's a lot of different things. But what is talked about is the impact. Yes. Yeah, but you're right. Yeah. Ralph! What is your favorite music performance? Butler,

he's pretty good as Elvis. Timmy, Bob Dee, love that. Jeremy, Bruce, Taryn, Elton, Wakina's Cash, Remy is Freddie,

and what is the best movie here? Great question. I'm going to tell you... Most people put Kilmer as their number one, but he's not in this. He was good, too. Um, he's not in this list, though. I'm going to tell you, I'm going to probably, I'm going to take, I'm going to take Timmy

shallommy. I'm going to take shallommy. Okay. So, hmm. No, I kind of think that it's Jeremy as Bruce. Okay. And then as far as, I actually don't have a qualm with, I think that all of these performances were really solid.

I think that, um, you know, Rami's Freddie Mercury gets a lot of heat now, but because of the teeth. I thought that he knocked it out of the park. Knocked it out of the park. But no, I think that vocally performance-wise, it's Jeremy. It's pretty good. I just, I don't know if he did, I know that there was a couple of times that they actually

play Bruce throughout the movie. Yeah. Never when we're seeing Jeremy. No, no, no, no. Yes. Yeah. Okay. So best movie Oh, man. I haven't seen Walk the Line in so long. I remember I was singing that, Christian. I remember I loved that movie, so it might be that,

but it's been forever since I watched it. And I'm like one of the few people that loved. I love the Freddie Mercury movie. I love that movie. I love that movie. Yeah, I mean, you always always defended it against arena. Yeah, yeah, I remember. So I don't know.

I like every one of these movies. Me too. And Ray is another one, too, that should be in there, by the way. Yeah, good call. Good call. Luke James 1. Seeing Frankenstein on Friday in Cinema Excite. I missed.

Well, I didn't really look out for any of the screening. So I'm just going to wait until it hits the Critics Choice app. And then I'll watch it there. And then I'll do my immediate reaction for it. I missed this too. You didn't see it either, right? No. I heard good things.

I heard really good things. Okay. 44 right now as Mike and Roxy tried to dethrone Roca with a full on, it was a full-on UAP conversation yesterday on the show, Rocks, with me. With Roca? Yeah, me, Roca, and Lettac Peter. Has Roca gotten into it? No.

He tweeted out about the Age of Disclosure documentary, and he had tweeted something about it. So we went very soon. How did he tweet? Go look, but it was like a, it was a, it was a, like he saw it. He saw it to be, he was skeptical about it for certain reasons. And then he kind of took the side of it, the fact that it was because there was right-leaning politicians that he, how serious he could take it. He doesn't know. And I said, and I was like, this is a bipartisan topic. And then it started to go on social. I said, you know what?

We'll talk about this on Monday. And we did. And it was a good, it was a good conversation. So, um, okay, Nathan Drake, would you rather see Tatum or Jeremy Allen White nominated? Now we're going to have two different opinions here, Roxy and I, um, because she's going to take Jeremy Allen White and I'm going to take Tatum. When I hear Tatum, I think Jason Tatum, what is this about? Channing Tatum for, for, um, for, um, for, um, Ruf. Roofman. Did you either one you guys say that yet? I haven't seen Roofman, so I can't say.

So, so good. Love that movie. Love that movie. I immediately went to the Southwix and thought I'd rather see him not injured than anything else on the planet of Earth. That's my choice for nominations. Jake had to cut my phobic racist dad of my life recently.

Your videos mean the world's being a world. Christian also love you rock. Yeah, Jake, you'd let us know that on yesterday. I'm so sorry. That's the case. And I'm glad that we were able to, uh, you know, bring a smile to your face. That sucks, man.

Yeah, and we all love Roxy. Eric Slaby, Star Wars might be the easiest IP to bring a dead character back. In my opinion, Kylo was the sequel character fans like the most. I don't disagree with that. I would have liked to see how they dealt with Ben being alive and the repercussions.

Look, I think the other thing that Mike and I would both agree on is even if they decided to make that movie and Soderberg did it, and they did it in a way that you're like, oh, okay, like as where I was explaining about how they did it so poorly with Palpatine. if they did it in a way, you're like, oh, shit, they really, they really made me believe that. It would have been a tough thing, but with those writers and that director, you never know. Yeah.

Yeah. Here's the thing for me. It's just like, if that happens, Harlow, I can't speak for you, but I think of the same way as me. It's like, I'll go see it and I'll enjoy it. And I'll like, holy crap, I'm glad to be wrong. It's not like some of these people out there where it's just like, you're redoing something I don't want. fuck you and the fuck you are the filmmakers I bring back the other thing I want like no

if they do it and it's done well and I'll go and I was like oh man I'm wrong I'm glad I saw that movie that's great is Adam driver a creator has he I just don't know does he write I have no idea oh no idea um well he's certainly not right in this

Eric Slaby I do get why Disney didn't do this Star Wars film but it could have been interesting with that team mine I don't I mean I don't think anybody on this panel disagrees with that. It could be interesting with that team. Hopefully they come back for a different Star Wars film. I mean, I don't think Adam Driver could, but they certainly could. Josh Vascovich, just to pointing to the movie isn't getting made, I think that they, oh,

isn't getting raved, but I won't change my love for Bruce. Saw him last week at the forum, far exceeded my years of expectations. Roxy, how many times do you see him in concert? Twice. Okay, same. Same. Did you go, when did you go? You went, you went with, it's the last thing my mom and I ever did together.

I remember that. So that was in 2011 at the Boston Garden. And then I went last year with, at Gillette Stadium with my siblings who had never gotten to see him and love him the way that I did, do. Okay. So both shows that I went to see him at were like the most meaningful moments of my life. It's unfair because that's why he tops every, I got this at the last show. that I the one I went to in 2011 yeah that's great I so you went twice where I went twice I think 2010 I went in Anaheim cool and that was a great show at the Honda Center and then I went I want to tell

you it was it was right before I left I was at California so I think it must have been early 24 um with with Andrew Freed uh we went so I think that's one remember he was sick and then he kept having to push his shows. Right. So I was supposed to go out here as well that year and then something happened. Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was like early 2024. I was like it was one of the, it was because Andrew was I want to see before you, you leave. And he's like, hey, do you want to go see Springsteen?

Yes. Do I ever? So cool. Yeah. Alexander Wilson. Marine Ryan, or Vanity Fair books her, or Vanity Fair books her says her, Lucasum source said that when Iger came back. He quietly killed those three movies announced a 23

celebration, which included the Ray movie. This fits that. Yeah, I mean, I'm telling you that there's, there's no world where that Chinoy movie is getting made. There's no world. The Ray movie, you think it's done? I think she... Would you call it, Christian? The Chinoy? What's the name?

She need... Abed Chenoy? Evade Chenoy. Yeah. I mean, I don't actually know what you guys are saying. It's a person. Director. Director. She directed a lot of Ms. Marvel and other things, but yeah. She was supposed to do a Ray movie? Yeah, they announced her brought her up on stage,

and there's no world where she's going to do it. But I do think that what they're doing is whoever, Mike, I think to answer that question, I think that they're setting up, right, I think she's going to make a cameo in Starfighter, and then I think that's going to play into Simon Kinberg's trilogy. Now, Simon Kinberg's not going to direct the trilogy. He's going to produce it and write a lot of it.

Whoever's directing, now, maybe she directs one of the movies inside of the trilogy. I highly doubt it. But her standalone movie will now be part of this trilogy, if I was going to guess. When is Starfighter? Not in our world in Star Wars world. It takes place, I think, five years after Rise of Skywalker. Oh, so Ray being in it makes sense. There's already rumors that she's going to be in it.

That's cool. Mike Joyce. Mike, why'd you curse stuff with your poopy internet? Yeah, Mike's internet has been decent lately. Do you get an upgrade? No, I told you. It's not the internet. It's the computer. It's better.

Like I was using my old desktop. Now I'm using my laptop. It looks better. The lighting's better. I can make fun of you for a lot of things, not this. What's up with stuff internet? It does this thing. It's funny.

Doesn't happen when we're recording our reactions. But live, she freezes at least four times a show. Wow, it's frustrating. I'm not there for that. Damn it. I know.

Are you watching her YouTube channel? It's really good. Oh, how fun is that? She's just showing her personality, which is great. She's a star. She's the best.

Tim Sim. What's up? Great Tim Simp. What do you mind, DM me after this news was posted, said that everyone say sorry to Michael Eisner because Iger is a now certified hack. As a fan of two out of three of sequel trilogy and from sequel trilogy fans, I know this is a bummer regarding Ben Solo.

I'll come back to that in the second because it'll continue on. Go pal, I'd say birth of a nation, but maybe coming back. Nothing is dead. Nothing is dead. And that almost came back, you know, a little while ago, too. Remember Blind Date with Bruce Willis? Yes.

Probably haven't seen it in 35 years, but in my same memory was hilarious. Yes, Kim Basinger. It was a very famous movie at the time. Continuing Tim Sims, generous, generous to which out here. It really sucks, but at this point, what happened with the sequels has already happened and it's not worth being angry over again, especially

for me. Got to move on what post-sequel Star Wars will be like. More Mando Mando and Grogu and other upcoming Star Wars stuff. I think Mandu and Gruger is a one-off movie. I don't think we'll ever get another movie in that. No, no, no, I think so he knows that too. But he's saying like, you got it like.

Dead after? Do he think he's not dead? No, no. Oh, I know what you're saying. No, it's not dead. I mean, that that's, look, I don't think any one of us here thinks that that movie is going to make a billion dollar. I think it gets luck. If it's lucky, it does five, 550, if it's lucky.

How much is it costing? I think like 150. It's like the cheapest Star Wars movie like compared I don't I mean in today's standards it's super cheap But if it does make a billion dollars, which again the probability the possibility of that is 4% but if it makes a billion dollars you can bet your ass that they either going to do a sequel Or they're going to do you know another season of it which most likely will be a sequel but even if it makes 800 right if it does that well it makes them that money off 150, but they're, they're, they're just looking to make their money back. That's some people

don't understand. They just want to make their money back because the streaming would have lost them more money if they did another series. The most important thing about Tim Sims common here, though, by far is you are so right, my friend. It is not worth being angry over. I love, love the mindset. None of this is worth being angry over. No, just let it, let it go. Seriously. As Bruce Lee says, he like water. Oh. All right. Thank you, Tim, for those wonderful generously generous questions. Always great hearing from you, my friend. Battery, Tron and Indy both deceased IPs,

generation behind. Again, no, not deceased. You guys got to stop using that word. Damaged, completely in limbo. Hurt. Struggle, bus. Struggling, hanging on. Life support, sure.

Nothing is dead. Yeah, I mean, look, a Kaiser-Sose movie with Kevin Spacey'll probably never happen. Tim Sim. P.S., there he goes. Regarding Tron Aries. Saw it. It was fine.

It was not as disastrous as I fear, but clearly lacked the Kaczynski touch. Agreed. Bad luck for Disney letting him in his third Tron movie go with Top Gun Maverick and F1 in the high budget problem. It was his first movie, you know, ever.

The little feature film anyway. He cut his teeth there. But yeah, you know, they should have tried to get him back at least and not done the movie until they got him. Telling that story. Battery. Old Eiger has lost his.

fastball if he ever had it. Did he though? You haven't seen a lot of the movies yet so far that he's done especially they haven't put a Star Wars movie out guys since 2019. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's so much time to not have a Star Wars movie. Yeah. Would you have guessed that in 2019? What would you have said the next year? I would have said if they don't make another movie in for you, look, if I paid $4 billion for it and I want and Marvel puts out one to three movies, movies a year, right? And they can continuously try, try, try. And I spent, I spent this money on it. It's paying off. And then some. Star Wars, so far, out of the five movies I've put out in the theater, four of them, as you mentioned before, Roxy, have made over a billion dollars, right?

And then let's just stop making them. Because we keep losing directors. We keep losing writers. We can't put anything together. We're supposed to put it by out in 2022. We lose the director. Someone is getting fired. Like they put out a, they put out a, uh, uh, Indiana Jones movie for $350 million a cost to make, it eats it. No one gets fired. There's got to be pictures of Bob Eiger and Kathleen Kennedy's hard drive somewhere. Has to be. I don't get it.

Screwface, John, I think with the next 50 to 20 year, the pushback on AI will look antiquated and the people who pushback will be called fossils. I think more people will embrace than pushback. The pushback as time goes on, it's spooky out here. It's pretty insane. Yeah. Yeah, but I mean, for me, it's not just about the entertainment industry. It's AI taking jobs from everyone.

It's not like, I think AI should be used to cure cancer. Mm-hmm. I'm not anti-AI. Put it out there to cure cancer. What's up? It's like the pot of Tron. So it's a pot of Tron. Yeah, no.

Yeah. Is it? Kind of, yeah. Yeah. But I'm like, yeah, use AI. to pure cancer. Not fucking make a movie. Like,

no. Yeah, that's, it's all going to happen. I don't think people are really looked at as fossils necessarily because, um, uh, right now,

the, the product's still not that good. Right. So I, I, do you see Sora yet? Do I what? Have you seen what it's done in like a couple years?

Have you seen what Sora's done so far? No. No. Is it probably the, I, I, yeah, I would take away the,

product is not good. From what I've seen, from the AI, like, movie little shorts and things that I've seen, you're not that enticing. So I think it's easy to push back against something that's not as good. I think, I think, rocks, it's going to lower what people think is good. Like, like, I want to see Saur. You know, people are going to see stuff and you're going to be like, okay, that's cool. There are people that think it's awesome.

But, like, when you look at it from your metric of what you're gauging is good and what's not, I think people just be like, looks awesome, looks cool. It's not interesting to me. It's not to me either. It's not like I can instantly tell something's AI no matter how good it is. You can just tell.

Maybe that makes it me a fossil. It doesn't. No. So again, like I said. Like Harlow, you know me. Whenever I see one of those old ladies getting knocked over with the,

with the fucking t-shirt cannon, I'm laughing my ass off, but I know it's AI. Mm-hmm. You know, that shit is, it's AI. Like when I said,

talking doing a half pike, you know, at a skateboarding competition. What am I looking at this, Christian? Just look at the clip. I'm looking at it, but why are there so many lines on his face? It's a VHS. It's like a 1980s VHS. Oh, I saw this. Yeah. At most restaurants, you get charged for extra eggs, a glass of wine.

Yeah, I mean, you've seen the Bob Ross ones, right? Have you seen the Bob Ross ones? Yeah, they're everywhere. They're funny, but it's like, that's Bob Ross, man. You can't be doing shit like that with him. Let's move on. Mike's movie madness. Saw after The Hunt last night to basically an empty theater yet. It ate serious poops.

Pretty good. About 20 minutes too long, but Julia for sure will be nominated. Such a different role for her. I was shocked by it. I think she carries the movie. I think that it is one of her best performances, maybe ever. The question is the same question I had that I asked Roxy when it came to Jeremy Allen White.

The movie is just not being very well received by both critics and audiences. And that does have an effect. With voting. What is it standing at at Rotten Tomatoes right now? I'm looking. 47 or something? Okay, so that's very different than the Bruce movie. Totally.

Bruce is what? With critics. It was at 67 when I looked last night. 67, right. So 67's fresh. Yeah. But still, both of them, not great. Not great.

In two movies, I was, I mean, after the hunt is a 40 on the tomato meter and a 35 on the popcorn meter. It's eaten. It's eaten. And it ate serious shit in the, it made like $1.7 million or something. Eric Sleby. The Bruce Springsteen movie is not going to do well, box office was? It'll do well in the East Coast.

I don't think it'll do. It has a 71 on Rotten Tomatoes right now. Okay. It's a pretty dog. Eric Sleby, am I in the minority for not really being a fan of the Avatar movies? They look cool, but overall are mass stories. You're not the minority. There are a lot of people who feel that way.

I think the phenomenon with the Avatar movies are that people can't help them. but watch them in the theater. Yeah, I think about them. I've seen them both. Yeah. I couldn't tell you the plot of either of them. But I go to see them. Like, it's a phenomenon.

You go to see these movies in the theater. Would you say you're a fan? No, not at all. Not at all. I'm definitely a fan too. So Christian, if you're not in the minority, you're in the majority. So you think that Eric is in the majority? No, I think he's in the minority.

I think, well, I think maybe, I mean, yeah, I guess when you put it that way, I can't tell what I think. I can't tell whether you and I are in the majority or in the minority. With Avatar, well, clearly with $2 billion every time it makes money, you know, it's like, okay. I don't know how much the minority is for you and I. You ask me what if I'm a fan of them? Yeah. Yeah, because this question just says he's not really a being a fan. And I, I'm definitely a fan and I know.

Okay, Rocks, what are you a fan of it? Like, when you, what makes, like, why are you? I'm a fan of a movie. But you just like a movie, like, I enjoyed it. I didn't walk out going, that sucked, but I'm like. It emotionally gets me every time. Emotionally, and I think maybe even for the last one for more so, probably this more so for me than the Roxy, but the parental part of it really got. Okay, Harlow, here's a good example.

For me, I'm looking at you talk about this movie. Like, you, Dune two to you and Dune. I know you love those. You need this, you're involved. Like, you've never talked about Avatar unless an Avatar movie's up. It's not. Maybe not with you, but I've talked about it quite often. You love Avatar, more than I do.

Him and Steph are two like big Avatar for him. Now, Steph, I know is a big Avatar person. I think the audience would say that I talk about it a lot, but maybe that's you. Which is fair. That's fair. And what's your name again? All right, go pal. They did lock the Warner Brothers and their sister Dot in the water towers for years.

Okay. Maybe they did. I am Savvy Mike 96 TV What's up Savvy Mike? At the dentist, pray for me. My wife has to go to the dentist. It is, she does not, she does not like the dentist. And aliens are real.

I know because I had an encounter with one. Well, you can't, you can't leave without it. What is it? Crazy it's the night of my life. It was so surreal. Tell us the story. Mike Joyce. Zoloff should be a pariah if he sells one of brothers to Netflix.

That won't happen. I don't think it's going to Netflix. It's Netflix on the table? Yeah. Are they? said that I missed that. Fuck no. Not in that.

You didn't miss it. It wasn't mentioned in this article, but it, it has been talked about. Fuck off. Eric Slaebe. What the only thing I'll say about that is that the, I'm just blanking on his name right now, the head of Netflix. Sardos. Sarados. Sarandos.

Sir Randos. The creators, the creators love him. Yeah. I honestly think that Netflix creatively, would be a better move than Paramount. I'm saying, I actually like creatively, I think I actually agree that creatively would be better for them, but the problem,

the question is, how does it work for theater releases? Hold on a second. Hold on. You guys think creatively, Netflix is a better choice where they are known for saying, F theatrical, we're not doing theatrical, and filmmakers like Scorsese,

all those guys that have been worn over this for years, like you think, Like, that Scorsese did a movie with Netflix. Yeah, I know, but I have to assume that if Netflix was interested, it would be partially because

they wanted to get more into theatrical, which we have seen them do in different ways. I don't think you would change their theatrics. I'm just talking about in terms of the product. Yeah. I trust Ted Sarandos so much more just because of how the creators have talked about it.

You don't know who the creative team is over at Paramount right now. I am Savvy Mike. Oh, wait, sorry. The House of Guinness. Did you see House of Guinness? That was the other one. No, I still don't watch it.

I hear good things. Is there? Eric Slavey. I've heard good things, too. Yeah. I am Savvy Mike. Says, and Christian, season two, A Peacemaker made me cry.

I, you know. What part? You know, you got to ask him. And the theme song was amazing. So he's a big fan. I've heard, there seems to be a lot fans. I went and watched, I watched Eleanor the Great. Have you watched it Get Rock?

No, it's great. I don't. I can get the screeners. I think that's available now, though. Oh. I think so. Ralph says, Broxie,

I agree with you. People need to know there's a difference between Jewish people and Israelis. I hate how people cramp everyone into one respect. Yeah, and it's not just those two groups of people. But yes, I just think a lot of things get completed and confused. And I understand why.

For lack of it, Jews are having a little bit of a PR crisis themselves right now. We need the, we need the Catholic. and Kennedy, Jared Leto, same treatment of we need good publicist. Well said. RQMD, SMD, support for Roxy, Mike and Mike's dogs. Great show today, guys.

Thank you. Mike, what's the name of that dog that was on your lap? That's Samson. Samson? Sampson. Gorgeous. Samson might have gotten you close. You're 20 away from time.

Oh, 20 away from winning. He's a little baby cycle. You guys get us above the hump. Michael make out of Samson. Oh, yeah. Mike Joyce. Who knew it was so easy to rob the Louvre? What is that?

They robbed the Louvre. Yeah, they did. Jewel robbery. Oh, was there? Oh, yeah. Somebody in real life, robbed the Louvre. Yeah, real life, they robbed the Louvre. I missed that, wow.

Yeah. Michael DeGuardar, somehow Ben Solo returned. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Battery, what's a goy girl? No thanks on Ben Solo. A good lame.

A goy girl. A goi is just a non-Jew. So a girl, a shiqsa would be the name of a non-jew. for a woman always, but a gay girl would be, it's not a mean term, it just means non-Jew girl. I am two-fly cam. Chair company is impressive on HBO, funny and

creepy. I don't know it. No, I don't watch chair company either. Yeah, I don't know that one. I'm sorry. Okay, rafts, UK Raft and Task is top tier. Sure is. Go, pal. I think Team America Matt Damon every time. I think everybody does. Matt Damon. Matt Damon. Mike said it out loud. Yeah, Raf's UK Rafton, haven't been so pressed for a TV show in a while.

It was my wife and I were really locked in. Sean, he loved it. Yeah, she really did. Sean, son, brother. How are you? Christian, Mike, Roxy, very happy to see you. I miss you guys here. Where you've been?

Been crazy, busy. Anyone's the last frontier? Great, that's the one. Wait, the last frontier is, who's in that one? Apple show. Christian, very excited for what you've got lined up. They sent me all this stuff. I haven't, I'm eating it right now.

Oh, that's the one with, yes. Roka just interviewed, what's this, Jason, shoot. What's his name? The Last Frontier comes to Apple TV. They sent me all this stuff. Okay, let's see. I'll tell you guys about it. What's his name, Jason?

With Jason Clark. Right. Who is Frank Remnick, the lone U.S. Marshall in charge of the quiet, rugged barons of Alaska. Right. Yeah. They sent me this dope Yeti thing. Ratsy, you got to put me in touch with these people because I need to, I got to do the interviews with some of these people too because I didn't do it. I saw Roca

interviewed Jason Clark. I love to talk to Jason. Jason Clark's the man. That's awesome. You'd get for Roca. Hell yeah. Hey, hey, Mr. CJ. Do you feel Tulsa King's season three is a slow burn? No. I haven't watched it yet, so you can't say. I don't mean no like slow burns can't be good.

I just don't think it is. Yeah. Joshua Spencer, I'm really enjoying the Demon's Sayer Watch Longs. Thank you. I don't think I never watch a show if not for them. I'm really enjoying it. really, really like the show a lot. I'm excited. We're going to finish it. And I said it on yesterday's recording. It hasn't come out yet. But I said, even though this, I said to myself, I said, is this show making me lose a lot of money? Yes, it is. But I'm still going to finish it. Yes, I will.

It's with Winston, right? Yeah. How is he with reactions? Great. I pitched him to reject so many times because I just thought he would be for the last year. I just thought he would be a gangster with reactions. Because I love the way that he, like, reacts to things, sees things. Don't steal them from me. Well, they, I don't think they rejects hasn't added anybody in two years, so. Claiborne Davis. With all you being performers, do you get performance anxiety at all?

If so, do you deal with it as a musician? It's somewhat, we deal with it. And I was curious how others manage it. I mean, look, there's always like that thing that's there, you know, and maybe this performance is, I don't know. But it's always like that thing. To me, it was like that, it was that, right about the light, the fuse. type feeling anytime i went out whether it was in front of 15 people um whether it was 1500 people

it was still like let's go uh so i liked being it's and i don't know if you guys it's different really stand-up comedy and and i guess is in live performances in acting too because you're still you're enacting you're performing the scripts and you're still you're thinking as the character and doing those things so but it's different and i don't know how to explain this i may have said this before in the air. And I think other comedians feel this way too. I just something that I, it unlocks for me anyway a six sense thing that I've don't have ever unless I'm on stage. And it's a really weird thing. I am able to like right now I'm thinking since speaking, thinking and speaking. When I'm on stage, I am speaking and thinking at the same time. Like I can be

speaking and I can hear all my thoughts as I'm speaking. And I can't do that normally. Only when I'm on stage. I'm able, it's a really weird thing. Like, I'm able, when I'm on stage and I'm performing, it's like, I can hear my thoughts and everything that's going on and where to go next and all that as I'm speaking. And it's, I cannot do that in regular life. I just don't know how to do that. Like I, you know, right now, there's just me talking. Then I'll stop. Oh, say bagels. Like that, that came, that came after me talking. So it's a weird thing. I don't know. Um, two things. Like one, if I'm not nervous before I do something, I'm either an audition or I go into a room or we start something, something's wrong.

Like I like to feel the pit of my stomach kind of like get butterflies and nerves. It means I'm present. Right. It gets to the point sometimes where I can't do this. I can't go into this room. I can't do it. I can't do it. This way, if I don't do it, I won't do it.

But, yeah, like, I don't like. But then it takes, it goes away. like, Shmodon, anytime I had to come out on stage for something, there's always that nerves coming out. Of course. But then once the minute you're there, and it flips. And it just flips and I'm just kind of like, it just adds to me. I will say this, TV's a little different because I can, you're waiting around, waiting

around. You're not doing anything. Waiting around. And then you've got to go, but then you're like, there are hundreds of people looking at me right now. Right. And if I fuck this lineup, we're fucked. And it reset.

Right. And it sucks. So it's different thing. that's there rock i always same exact answer as mike where i love to feel that that anxiety the butterflies this is how i knew i didn't enjoy doing stand-up comedy because it didn't feel like that it felt i felt i felt sick i didn't feel excited i i i'm not to be a bit i know i did a decent job i the the it was a different kind of nerves where it felt like anxious like when you're going to a funeral, not like when you're going to

a party. 20. You're another first person I ever heard say that. Yeah. So like I, it just, I think it depends. So yes, I get anxiety. But now that I've experienced like that other kind, I get a good anxiety, not a bad anxiety from performance. Also, Mike, I figured out who it was that I met that knew you. It was actually a couple that knew you. Her name is Shannon Fitzpatrick. Do you know who? Yeah. She's a woman. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Water. War, yeah.

Yeah. Amazing. We were damping our face off together. Oh, Fireside Reviews says, Jared Leto has never been a box office draw. True. Look at his movies. Good or not.

He's never been a leading man also. Look at his picks as an actor. I don't think anybody disagrees with you. Johnny Patricea, the Bond Scott biopic. This kid from Harvest Road is what I'm waiting for. I don't know what that is. You know what that is? I don't know what that is.

Bon Scott. I don't know who that is. The kid from Harvest Road. I don't know. Is that a street. down the street from you Johnny? Was he a random kid? Maybe. Josh Vascovich.

Christian Bruce did two shows at the forum last April. Is that where last April? Last what? When did you leave? I left in May. Is that where I went? Bon Scott served as a second lead singer

of ACDC from 1974 until his death. There we go. There you go. How do I not know that? I love ACDC. I like them a lot too, but they've never been a top fan for me. I always think of Argus. What's the Harvest thing? Because Christian Brewstered two shows of the forum last year. I'm still on the other one.

Okay. Johnny Patricea has Steph seen the Warriors? It came to mind after watching Commander reaction and seeing David Patrick Kelly. I would probably put a thousand dollars on the fact she hasn't. After this is over, we're going to record the running man with Arnold. How does she like Commando? She loved it. Alexander. She's great to do reactions with two, by the way. She's amazing.

She's been doing them for so many years. I know. She's great. I still get comments on, like, oh my God, when did she start being on this channel? Like five years ago.

Alexander Wilson, on one of the Disney earnings call, they said they are putting. Yes. Yes, absolutely you. One of the only people that have gifted you that I feel like, yeah, let's go.

100% she was a rock. That's okay. You've gifted me everything else. No, you definitely give us stuff. They said they are putting Mando in theaters because they wanted to condition the fans to watch Star Wars in theaters. that's not

sure okay but that's really not the total truth behind it it's because they want to make their money back in the same way that he did for Moana I mean I wish they would have said that too you're welcome yeah okay we're at 62 you guys are

10 away from winning do you see the rock put out that make wish video this last week no what was it oh my guy sat weeping at my phone it was this boy that loves him and then like he went to meet him he was a make-wish kid and they did a bunch of stuff together but the kid when the rock was leaving was like would you sing moano to me and the rock just sits

there and sings and it was i was just like wow bawling my eyes out yeah it was the most beautiful oh my god he's i love that wow uh mike's movie man is hey christian are you seeing shelby oaks this week very excited to see horror get stuck in my eyes and super proud of chris for getting this opportunity i i don't know if i'm going to see it Um, but I will say this, uh, he was one of the inspirations of starting this Kickstarter in the first place. Reached out to him about an interview to have a conversation. He had written back at, because he heard when I'm in New York, I love to do whatever to it. And then he's probably slammed, reached out to him and he was in New York in your back. Shit happens. Um, so, um, I wish him nothing

but the best. Hope the movie does very well, obviously. And like I said, I, I've been using him as an example for one of the reasons why I wanted to do this pilot. So I can't wait to see this. I want to get my butt to the theater. You know, I work with Chris for a very long time. Oh, yeah, and screen junkies, yeah. Yeah. I root for him.

I kind of root for anybody who's able to do with what he, what he was able to do. Like, I want that for you so bad, Christian. Just this unbelievably cool when fans support people that they've been following for that long. Hell yeah. I mean, I'm telling you. This whole channel, and they, you know, people, they might go, oh, my God. When I launch, it's all it's going to be is me talking about this thing together because I believe in it.

It's awesome. And it's part of your dream. I get so, I try not to look at comments anymore, but I get so annoyed with people, Chris don't criticize bad movie Stuckman. He doesn't review things he doesn't like anymore. That is his line. He doesn't like to review things that he hates. That doesn't mean he doesn't criticize movies.

He criticized movies he loves all the time. He just doesn't review them. And I think that fans are so annoying about that. Ralph! Hey, Stryor. Why does your wallpiper say, Wood, Wood, Wood, where's my brain hurts? What?

Oh, from the Hollywood thing. I see. Because I love Wood. Go, pal. Rolled up a truck to the Louvre and took the French Crown Jewel in eight minutes, then disappeared on motorbikes. That's insane. That's insane.

That's insane. Yeah. Go, pal. I want to go on an adventure with Goel, Eclipse. When people talk about the greatest scival, fantasy franchises, people talk about Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, Star Trek. What do you think Avatar needs to be included in the conversation? So fantastic, fantastic question.

You've got to get people like Mike on board going, you know what? I can see Mike go, look, let me time. I'm going to say something I didn't want to say, and I thought about it. The first two, I told you about it. I gave you my thoughts. But this third one, I don't know, man, this one did it for me. Like, that's what I want to say. story right my but here no it's not even that it's it's oh i i admire the visual mastery that goes into it when i saw star wars luke skywalker i saw myself as luke skywalker like i there's no one in these avatar movies are like i need to be jake sully i need to be nittiri i need to be quorich like i i it's beautiful it is beautiful it's amazing what they make but there's just not that

connection with me on any level. Do you like Star Trek? I love what Star Trek stands for. I've enjoyed them. I love what I think they don't know what to do with Star Trek. So there's no concrete vision

of anything. I think it's just throwing spaghetti at the wall. Sometimes stuff sticks. Like what JJ Abrams did with Trek, that needs to be studied because he brought people, you talk, okay, you would talk about Avatar. He brought people to Star Trek. that hated Star Trek.

And again, some Star Trek diehards hated that one. But it opened it up and brought people in. So. Okay. I think that's awesome. If they would have stayed on the path of that first movie and not done Khan and done some other things, we would be seeing the sixth film with Chris. Let's stay on the past.

We have four minutes and 62 questions. Chad is, we're almost there. We got to just do. I know. Chad Powers is a show that shouldn't work, but as funny as hell, great bro humor and Glenn Powell Rocks.

I got to check it out. Me too. I'm surprised that I haven't. I will. Go pal. Jason Clark and tons of things but never got a name. He is one of those guys.

He's really, really good and I hope he does start to get more of more noticed. But I'd rather be him than Jared Leto. True. John Darius, what are your thoughts if Apple gets Warner Bros. They give such great master shows so far.

They'd be a great pick. Also, thank you all for being a positive highlight for many us for the week. John, thank you very much for saying that. Apple would. I'd be cool. I'd be cool. Netflix.

Yeah. I'd be cool of both. I actually don't agree with that. And you guys know I'm a huge app. Yeah, you are. Yeah. I love, I love Apple, but Apple's content is all celebrity driven. Yeah. That's what they do.

And on top of that, I don't think it's great for the industry for a tech company to own Warner Brothers. All right. Well said. Ralph, you walk into a theater. There are four new films for playing. There's a new Nolan. There's a new Scorsese. There's a new Tarantino.

There's a new Spielberg. What are you seeing? You don't know anything about the movie. All right. Nolan. Well, so here's the thing. If you're, because we already know what Nolan's next one is and we know what Spielberg's next one is. But if we don't know anything by the movie, then yeah, I agree with Roxy.

Right now I'm taking Nolan. I'm going to go Tarantino. Okay. All right. Yeah, that's fair. Josh Vaskovich. Good question. There's a great question.

Roxy, do you have recommendations or would you yourself be willing to explain the whole just, oh, my God, perceptions? Josh, I love you. I love you to death and I'm so happy that you put that question here. Let me take this in the last two minutes of the show. Let me just and it's too much. We don't give us Jews versus Palestine for dummies rocks. Josh is very kind of you and I really appreciate you.

Thank you for the question. I appreciate you wanting to learn. And there are other platforms that I definitely think. But thank you for being willing to ask the question. I don't mean to insult that it's just in no world in 90 seconds. Do I have this? Right. Go pal.

Love the show Chicago Code. I don't know that one. Not sure. Is it like Chicago fired? But is it part of that franchise? I don't know. And someone says, shocked I didn't know that the ACDC.

Me too. Yeah, me too. Me too. I don't know what happened there. Yeah. My brain's been going out of me with names. So there you go. Okay.

64 so far with just a little bit left here to try to cover it. Let me get to the last one. Excuse me. Okay, we got Go Pal with some support. Thank you, thank you. And then go, pal with another one. So, all right. So 64 guys couldn't get to Roca, but hey, man.

It was a hell of a battle. So guys, Roxy, where can I find you? You guys can find me everywhere at Roxy Stryor. And then seriously, Josh, if you want more on that, I do talk live at the Roxy about more things like that. So YouTube.com slash Roxy Stryor, that's every Wednesday. Sunday.

Mike Kalinowski, where can they find you? At Mike Kalinowski. That's easy. Guys, thank you for being here. Really appreciate Roxy and Mike being here. Appreciate the kind words from Roxy said as far as surprisingly good.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Don't apologize. Shockingly good. Shockingly. I was not. I was not. It is shockingly great. Not even, not even at all. I like, I like I like, you know, having people be surprised. So we are on Apple podcast.

We are on Spotify. We're on everywhere you can find podcasts. Got a lot of news coming up with the pilot. I'll let you guys know soon. Go to the Clips channel. Please do that. Got a couple of reactions coming up in the next couple of days. I have my out-of-the-the-the-the-the-eaction for Springsteen up there now.

And that's it, guys. Again, one more here from Go-Pal. Tarantino has made so few movies, but all great. 100% this is true all right we appreciate you we'll be back here tomorrow we'll see you guys on the flip side uh bye everybody goodbye where is it oh there it is