The Kristian Harloff Show - DOES THE ROCK HATE SHAZAM?! | Capes and Cowls | DC | Superman

Episode Date: November 4, 2022

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How's it going, everybody? A little bit of a different show here today. I'm a little bit under the weather. And I'm responsible. I don't want to get my friend sick. So I also didn't want to deal with people in the studio. That's not true. I don't know.

Maybe it is. I don't know anymore. Maybe I do know. But I do know. I'm drinking coffee. Should you be when you're sick? I don't know, but it's working. And it's delicious.

It's trade coffee. We're going to get into it. Get some of this. Not only because I want them to stick around because it's awesome. We'll talk about it more and a little bit. But we have so much to talk about here today. Um, we finally find out exactly where in the MCU, Black Panther, Wakanda forever lands, Sandman season two announced, gets picked up. It's pretty awesome.

Russo brothers said they're going to, they may be looking back to MCU, but not anytime soon. So is that anything new? I don't know. Um, again, we got Aubrey Plaza is cast in the new, um, the Catherine Hahn, which series thing from one division that these guys know. and there, Agatha Christie, whatever her name is. Who cares? Perfect. Anyway, we got a lot to talk about.

It's going to be a lot of fun. I'm excited. And if you haven't already, by the way, please subscribe to this channel, because you can see, I'm so knowledgeable in all this stuff. And then we also have the Patreon, which we're excited about.

The Patreon, to me, it has been so much fun to get to know you guys. We do these like 30-minute one-on-one sessions with some people. That's a limited tier. but Winston, myself and Koi, we did a rewatch for Black Panther, the original. That's on the Patreon right now. We've got a trivia thing up there.

There's a lot on there. So join us that helps support the show, obviously, but there's a lot of great things that we're trying to get to know you guys just a little bit more. And then obviously, if you haven't already, go on over to the Apple podcast and Spotify and help this show out. If you do, you just scroll on that, get that, you download the episodes. It's tremendous. All right. Let's get into it. It's myself. It's Coy. It's Winston. Remote because of me. And here we go. Caps and Cals. Let's do it. Hello, everybody. Welcome back. It's Cates and Cals. It's a big thing. Whatever the hell year it is. The year of our Lord. It was so great when people used to say that. Nobody says that anymore.

Well, it's 22, the year of our Lord. And yeah. How do they deem it when? it's the year of our Lord. Isn't every year the team? That's what I was going to say. Every year is the year of our Lord. Well, isn't like B.C. and Anno Domini, right? So, like, isn't everything posts, you know, Easter come up and, like, isn't it all?

Doesn't this all count? More people need to say it. It's just adds gravitas. It's just, it's just scope. I do need to acknowledge that, like, when we started this stream, I legit thought Winston's window was yours because of how well he, like, I'm so impressed. We thought he was here. Like, wait a minute.

They lied on. Did they just tell me to, like, F off? We're just tired of your ass being so late, bro. We just say, you know what? Stay home, Koi. It's fine. 11.01. I was in here.

I was on time because I was in my living room. Also, 11. Oh, what? We start 11, bro. How are you late even to digital? What's funny is I didn't take a shower and I was like, if I'm late to the Zoom, they're going to, I'm never going to hear the end of it. So I was a minute late.

You did it. It's fine. But, yeah, it's a year of our Lord. And, oh, by the other thing is how can we, you know what else we've lost, Winston? No one ever said this if I met you for the first time. Winston, son of, what's your dad's name? Leslie, son of Leslie. Winston.

I'm Christian. I'm Phil. I like that. Coy, son of James, and then like the forearm handshake. Yeah. You can make the most, you can make the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, trashiest person sound regal. I know.

Dude, hey, look, if you can get in, what is it, it's, it's, it's, something titles as a sponsor you know what I'm talking about? Pictures of Royal Pictures? Well, no, no, no. The something titles, I got to remember the name. I know you get whatever, yeah. You become a Lord. I'm about to do that, bro.

People about to call me Lord Winston. That's going to be some fire shit. That's a good name for Lordship, too. I support that. Lord Marshall. I don't know. Sometimes I don't think you help anybody. You know, it's like, I'm Davis, son of Jesse. Some names just don't work. Some names just don't work.

No, I don't think of it way. Look, I need to not say it too loud. Maybe a Christmas present, but there would be nothing dope with a Lady Rose. Like, that shit sounds like a Game of Thrones ass name. You know what I'm saying? Like, damn. All right, we got a lot going on, by the way.

I saw a ton of news in our sphere, if you will. And I think that the first thing that we can really, we can talk about here, I'll jump right into this Aubrey Plaza thing. because I'm a big Aubrey Plaza fan. I like her a lot. And so we just got word that she was cast in Coven Covem of Chaos. Aubrey Plaza is set to join Catherine Hahn in the Marvel Studio series, Agatha Coven of Chaos, not Agatha Christie, as I said before, on the Disney Plus service.

The Wanda Vision spinoff will see Han reprised the role of Agatha Harkness, whilst Emma Cawfield will return in her role of Dottie. They're all joined by Heartstopper star Joe Locke, who was Aux? who was added to the cast the other day. Details of Plaza and Locks Roller under wraps, as are other details of the new series. Plaza is currently stars in the second season of HBO's The White Lotus, yada, yada, yada.

Okay. So the last part of that actually is the only thing that kind of gives me a little bit of hope on it is because I like Albury Plaza a lot, but primarily comedy, primarily. And we also saw, I mean, apparently White Lotus, even though it's a comedy, White Lotus Season 2, as heard by Roxy Stryor on yesterday's episode, a big thing kind of dabbles more so into the drama element,

and I think she definitely can do drama. But if I was to guess, I'm going to think that they cast her for more of the comedy chops, which scares me, which means that we're still in this phase four over comedy phase. But maybe it's just PTSD from the other ones. But what do you guys think? I'm going to go on the side of PTSD.

Just from the standpoint of, again, we haven't started that conversation about Black Panther yet. We'll get there. But obviously you saw, a tonal shift back to what you liked. And I think what made Wanda Vision so good is you had Catherine Hahn showing what makes her so damn funny. But most of her stuff was her coming through with that serious element.

I can't imagine that they're going to stray too far away from that with Agatha Covenant of Chaos. I think that would be a mistake. I think you continue with the magic you found in Wanda Vision. Obviously, you don't do the TV homages, but. the same kind of energy I think is is what we can kind of expect from that and Aubrey can do it she's she's done it before I haven't seen her in white lotus but you know there's a number of different shows that she's done in movies

where she is brought that drama and I think she'll kill it she's not she's a phenomenal actress she really is and I I'm a big fan of hers I just it's when it when I like I said when I hear comedy actors or actresses get cast right away I go oh we still going back into this or we're moving away from that koi how do you feel about it i honestly i think it's PTSD too because i think that if you look at phase four overall the most recent stuff haven't seen wakonda forever has been uh comedically charged but that is in its wheelhouse right she hulk is a comedy and uh the way they've made thor has evolved into a comedy but um if you look at the things that were new in phase four

you got your loki show your eternals a lot of the other things that were you know a while ago that were the precedent wandavision even it wasn't comedically driven So I think it will stay in its lane of Wanda Vision going back to Salem. Catherine Hahn herself is a comedian, but she wasn't overly comedic in Wanda Vision. She used her tools. And if you look at things like the indie work, Agatha, I mean Agatha, Aubrey has done like Black Bear or some of the smaller independent films where she's gotten to flex her dramatic shops. I think just like the great comedic actors that are incredible at drama like Jim Carrey and Robin Williams, a lot of the best dramatic actors have incredible comedy bases. So I think they'll use, you know, our expectations of Aubrey and she will have comedic elements,

but I don't think this symbols, this signals a comedy, Agatha show. I hope so. I mean, you guys are probably right, but like I said, I just, it's from. I think you're traumatized. I think you're just immediately. And I get, I mean, I've, I struggled. I haven't rewatched Thor or Dr. Strange since theaters, and I usually do rewatch the Marvel Louise.

So I'm not, I don't disagree with you, but I think it right now it's a knee-jerk reaction, not logic-based. Yeah, which is, well, I mean, I mean, I push back against that a little bit because I think logic based only because of her past resume, right? And she's mostly a comedic actress. But show versus actor, right? That's all I'm saying. Absolutely. And I'm also stating that I agree with both you guys.

It's probably it's mostly going to shift inside of the same tone of where she left off. And I just, even in the first couple episodes of Wanda Vision, which was intended, they made it towards the, you know, sitcomy. but it was, but the difference was that that was more of a ruse. That was more like, this is what's going on in her head right now. And she's just taking that stuff that she took as a kid and projecting that onto the screen right now. And that's what we're seeing, but it's not real. And the undercurrent of the show was foreboding and ominous and drama. Like the episodes always ended with like, I'm not laughing.

I'm uncomfortable. And I think that's what Agatha will continue. And that's what I hope. Because when Catherine Hahn, as you guys mentioned, used those comedic chops in Wanda Vision, and she was doing it within the guise of the sitcom, within the neighbor from next door, where there was, like you said, that ominous thing and the mysterious thing and something was wrong type thing.

So that worked for me, and I hope that they do play it the same way. And the reveal. That was the other moment where, like, her comedy, the whole Agatha All Along song, that was hysterical. It worked. It worked so well because you literally then got to see that she's pulling the mask back to show you

what's really happening and then dove fully into being the villain after that. And I really appreciated that. All right. So let's get on to this next story. Excuse me, the Russo brothers. So there's no story. They've been saying for a little bit after endgame that they won't direct more Marvel. Now this is another report saying that they're not going to direct Marvel for years.

So it's not there, they're not ruling it out. They're just saying it's like for a little bit. And after hearing that Hercules is going to be based off TikTok. I don't know if I want them back. I was kidding. You hear that story? No. They were taking like a TikTok approach to the Hercules remake.

And I don't know what that means. I didn't really read the report all the way through, so I'm not going to, I don't know what it means. But I don't know what it means. And it just like, uh-oh. But anyway, this is the report again from Dark Horizons. While Joe and Anthony Russo have previously ruled out a return to the MCU anytime in the near future, the pair aren't against the idea altogether. This week speaking to Variety to talk up about their AGBO production company as its slate of upcoming projects,

Joe Russo says, the pair have a great relationship with Marvel. However, working on another MCU film is something that's years off, is a years off prospect for them. Joe says, we're always talking. We need to see what we'd work on. We wouldn't be ready to do anything with Marvel until the end of the decade. Oh, end of the decade. Wow.

Yeah, so that would seem sense. That would seem, I mean, I don't know, man. It's freaking end of the decades is a while. What's interesting to me is the Secret Wars thing, right? Like, they've been on the record saying the only thing that would bring them back as Secret Wars and Secret Wars is announced and well before the end of the decade. Hold off on that because it gets further into that very thing, the rest remaining in the article. That would seem to put, uh-oh, what the hell happened just now?

So it's lost to report. Nice job, Coy. Yeah. All right, let's see. So anyway, that would seem, there we go, that would seem to put to rest. Any talk of the Russo Brothers returning for Avengers Secret Wars releasing in 2026. and suggests even if they do return. It won't be until Marvel's seventh phase at the earliest.

The pair are currently filming the sci-fi feature, The Electric State, which is coming to Netflix sometime in 2024, and today announced cast editions with John Carlo Esposito, Kay Haiku, Anthony Mackie, Billy Bob Thornton, lending their voices to the project. The pair have also, excuse me, have a large amount of projects that they are producing. One of those is a live-action adaptation of Disney's 1997,

and made a feature Hercules with Guy Ritchie sets to direct, and currently working on his own past of the screenplay. Russo says the film will be a musical. There are questions about how you translate it. There's a musical audiences today have been trained by TikTok. What is their expectations? Blah, blah, blah, blah. I don't want to talk about that.

So let's get into this then when it comes to the Russo's not returning. Now, had they said not coming back, we'll figure, or for a little bit, we'll figure out when. And in a decade, though, I mean, that's pretty much cutting out seven years, seven, eight years. I mean, the reason why I think that that makes sense, and I fully support them on this, is just going back and looking at their filmography, they have literally been nothing but the MCU. Obviously, Winter Soldier released in 2014,

but you're talking 2012 until 2019. I do not blame them for being like, we gave you a decade of our career. We would like to do other things for a while. And then once we've crossed that bridge, we can come back. And I think it's just that idea of in the same way that I'm sure Chris Evans or Robert Downey Jr. or even Q Jackman are willing to come back for little cameos or maybe a one-off, but you have done this already. You don't necessarily want to do this your entire life.

I also think the success of Grayman, I actually was, I, Agbo is a company I really, really admire and I really appreciate. So I'm trying to do stuff with them separate of the Marvel stuff because I love that they're making the movies that are harder to get made using their clout. Like the 90s action thriller that I love, I loved Greyman and a lot of people didn't. I like it. I got so much more to Greyman than I think anyone I talked to. I think Christian and I, once again, our Eternals thing. We all, we all like have very specificity.

Yeah, I thought Greyman did what Red Notice didn't for me. A hundred percent. That's exactly how I felt. Like it was the thriller I wanted with the, the levels of equalizer of sensibility of the 90s that didn't feel dated. So to me, they made the movie I've been looking for in that vein. So with that doing so well on Netflix,

I found out this week, actually, the Rousseau's are the number two to Spielberg, most successful franchise filmmakers. Well, yeah, of course. When you look up until the re-release of Avatar, they had the biggest movie of all time.

But I would have thought Cameron over them only because of Avatar. I didn't put two and two together with franchise. Well, yeah, also Cameron, Cameron didn't have, we were just talking about this yesterday, and big thing. Cameron has only directed a handful of movies. Right. He directed Terminator 1 in 84. I mean, he did a few more, whether it was true lies and all those. That's when he had his most, the least year gap, right?

And then from, I think it was 97 is when Titanic came out. And then after that, it was Avatar 12 years later. Yeah. He hasn't directed anything. I'm not minus document documentaries or anything about Titanic or anything alone those lines. He hasn't done anything. And now Avatar, he's got three of them coming out. But anyway.

But yeah, so the point is that I think they should stick to creativity and doing the things they want outside of the parameters of this great tapestry. And then if they want to come back when the tapestry is in a different place, I think it makes sense. And I support it. I do, too. And I would say this, Winston, I think that with the Russo, I mean, even though, like I said, in the beginning. Okay, well, that means probably not until the end of the decade, but I don't disagree that, yeah, at this point also, it's not like they need it. I can guarantee you that they were renegotiating once they did a winner soldier,

and then they, and then when they signed up for Infinity War, you don't think that they got some kind of points or anything on both those movies. Those guys are going to be lit, they could be, they could bathe in money right now and never direct anything again. Plus, they also didn't, they didn't love the experience of back-to-back Infinity War end game. like they were so burnt out and like not to say anyone did anything wrong they just admitted that was too ambitious they bit off more than you they looked rough uh so i feel like they are probably in a place of like hey let's do things our way and our pace and our time because the last thing they did with marvel like broke them which i mean i can't imagine two three hour movies that are the

biggest movies or two of the biggest movies of all time well you know those guys if had they i know that they did what how many movies back to back they did those two back to back and And they were, and they were. Well, they're up. You could argue that all four were back to back. I would say, even though Captain America Winter Soldier drops 14, Civil War 16. So you would essentially be, as soon as press is over, you're already kind of in pre-production to get ready for Civil War.

And as soon as Civil War is over, you're in pre-production for Infinity War and Endgame, which you just shot as one giant movie. So that's a lot of movies without a lot of sleep. So at that time, you need some coffee. and I would tell you that right now. If they had trade coffee, they wouldn't be complaining about it and they'd be doing a Marvel movie tomorrow. As you saw throughout this entire thing,

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description get trade um okay so uh the other thing i wanted to tell this this is big news and i don't I don't know if a lot of people are talking about it, and that's Sandman. So they finally, after however freaking long it took, Netflix finally pulled the trigger on season two. They've given the green light to a second season of Neil Gaiman's comic book adaptation to Sandman. The acclaimed adaptation scored rave reviews, but concerns were high that the expensive show wouldn't do the kind of numbers

that would ensure a renewal. The series launched at the start of August and was watched for 69.5 million hours in its first week, one, excuse me, 127.5 million in its second and 77.2 million in its third and 53.8 and its fourth. That's bizarre. Those are weird numbers. Anyway, this follows on from both cancellation rumors circulating on social media along with an apparent renewal confirmation accidentally leaked on Wednesday by DC Comics official Twitter page. So Netflix then responded and said, yes, it's true. The salmon will return to Netflix. There are some astonishing new stories waiting for Morpheus and the rest of them. Now it's time to get back.

to work is a family meal ahead and lucifer is waiting for morpheus to return to health um so i have to this actually i'll be honest like one of the things one of the reasons i think that i was i'm i loved what i saw i think i loved every every episode that i watched and i stopped watching and i think one because i got as we talked about coy um there was so much stuff that came out that i got a i got backed up yeah the part of it was is this going to be one of those series that i mean it's so invested and they're not even going to do a season two this will probably get me to go back and watch it because i know now that there's going to be continuation so for me i think this is really interesting because i think the timing of uh one all of the releases that came out like this was right after

comican leading into this barrage of content that i i haven't caught up on andor yet like i'm i'm almost on rings of power there's such an abundance of our kind of content right now the art that's coming out right now for the last five years has all been very like nerd base but specifically this quarter has been one of the craziest stacked volume amounts. I think that in conjunction with the Discovery merger, I think genre stuff was getting a lot of like apprehensive press. Not only was there an abundance, not only are people talking about we need more people watching Andor, we need more people watching this, but then Discovery was like, we're nixing all of this stuff because of this, you know, overhaul. I think we're seeing what

I called a few years ago with the pandemic. When streaming isn't conducive, to high budget things because it doesn't mathematically make sense at this point yet. With a family of five watching a $6 a month service, you can't possibly make $200 million back. It's just not math. So when everything kept being like, hey, we're not going to theaters. Let's dump it on streaming.

Let's dump it on streaming. But it had theatrical budgets. It had theatrical expectations. There's going to be a fallout. Batgirl, I think, was the biggest most public red flag of why streaming isn't conducive. even though that one was going to go to theatrical, it began as a streamer. And so I think Sandman, that month of apprehension

was Netflix going like, okay, how are we different from this HBO Mac situation? Is this the future? What's the cost? And now, thankfully, it did well enough, but I think the delay was just timing. It was a vortex of heft. I agree.

I think there's a little bit more kind of added there. I mean, one, you had today as the day that Netflix officially launches, their now tiered program as far as basic with ads, basic, Premiere, et cetera, like 4K. So, like, that is one of the major things they're worried about right now because we know they've been bleeding money and they knew that they had to try and find a new way to figure it out.

So I think that was part of it. They should charge $8 a month for a blue check. Oh, Jesus. I think also the fact that, like you said, with everything coming out, Netflix is also realizing they have been shooting themselves in the foot because we talked about this with Samin, and I think you mentioned this early when we were just talking right now, by dropping it all at once and it being a conversation

piece for 72 hours, it becomes hard for someone to go back. Even though Andor hasn't been blowing up the Twitter sphere, I feel like every week, I'm still seeing someone go, this show just gets better and better, like every single week. Or even with Shehulk, loved or hate it, the fact that that was talked about every single week. I think you throw both of those in there, and even though the numbers did, it seems like, decently well, I think Netflix just had bigger things to worry about. And like you said, the last thing you want to do is to commit to something only to realize

that you're going to have to blow everything up two seconds later. So I think once they got this in place with how they're going to handle their subscription service, I think it's a lot easier now to start approving things that aren't automatic gangbusters, like a final season of Stranger Things. Yeah, it's one of those things also where I think I agree with, I mean, I've been talking about this forever,

as you just mentioned, where, it's that water cooler conversation. They need to do that. But it seems like that they're going to keep the binge model. They're going to keep doing that. Some shows maybe not. I don't know. I don't know how it's going to work, but they need to.

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And as you guys clicked on the video, you're like, what the hell are going to talk about Black Panther? Well, we're going to talk about it now. There's a lot. So the first thing, I think, was the most poignant story. It was Wakanda Forever producer reveals when the movie takes place inside the MCU timeline. We were trying to talk about that, figure that out, have a conversation about it. Even if you saw the movie, you think, you know, where it's taking place. Phase 4 has been Marvel Studios' busiest, most hectic slate of movies and TV shows to date. This is from a comic book movie, by the way. Leading to a lot of timeline questions, now a Black Panther Wakanda Forever producer reveals where it sits.

Disney Plus, the Marvel Cinematic Universe has expanded rapidly during Phase 4. As a result, there's been a little less connectivity than what we're used to, and some confusion about where certain stories fit in in the wider timeline. For example, no one has mentioned the giant marble celestial sticking out of the Indian Ocean, something you think would be a major plot point across several franchises. Black Panther Wakana Forever ends this phase in the multiverse saga, but where does it fit in the MCU's timeline? Thanks to producer Nate Moore, we have an answer.

This movie clearly happens after No Way Home and Eternals. He confirmed in an interview with Cinema Blend. I think it probably happens potentially concurrent with Thor, Love, and Thunder. New Asgard does exist in our universe, for instance, or in our film. and also, excuse me, and almost concurrent with Ant Man and the Wasp, Quantummania, Morad, which is coming out in February. Interesting that he named Spider-Man, No Way Home and Eternal's as the movie's Black Panther Wakanda forever follows, though they are believed to have both taken place near the end of phase

four anyway. Whether we'll get a reference to either one of them remains to be seen, and we certainly don't expect the Ant-Man three-quels Kang to make an appearance. In fact, those early reactions suggest that Black Panther sequel is relatively standalone in nature, so we anticipate little in the way of crossovers. It's a shame. But as we head into phase five, the hope is that Marvel Studios might begin to start making a greater effort to link all these stories. Anyway, so when it comes to this in general, you know, from Winston and I have seen, and we can't spoil anything we can't talk about it yet, but we just say that that's accurate,

that it is pretty much a standalone, which I like. I like the idea that this should be a standalone, which also blends into another part of this story, which we can, I'll throw to you Winston first after this. They also talked to Ryan Kugler recently. Before the passing of Chadwick Bozeman, they were writing a story that it took place. And it was also dealing with loss.

The story more so was about the loss of time because Chala had lost all those years from the snap. So that was what he was writing for this movie before the untimely passing of Chadwick Bowman. So with all of that, and then obviously they had to rewrite for everything that had happened and then making it relevant to the loss of Chadwick Boseman, but also making sure it was relevant inside of the MCU and to tell further the story of everything happening in Wakanda. So hearing all of this, what stands out? I think it was really interesting to hear what Ryan was in the middle of working on for sure and knowing that it is further cemented what Koi pointed out. it's been a couple months now about how phase four specifically is about grief

and and then we you know we kind of expand on that and it's not just grief it's grief and rebirth like what is what is the next step after that grief and you've seen that in no way home about losing your full identity and then what it means to pick up and start over the idea with thor love and thunder the idea of losing the love of your life and at this point you've lost everything but now you've you know, Thor becomes a dad at the end, all that kind of stuff. I think it's just continuing to see how do you handle loss and moving on. So it's really interesting to hear what Ryan was originally planning for Tachala and the idea of losing that time. And what does that mean as a ruler, as a brother, as a son into what the story is now, which obviously we're not going to get into.

So I think that that is probably the part that's most interesting. But the timeline thing is good to know because I think a lot of people, are confused about like, okay, is this all concurrent? Is Shang-Chi first? And then Eternal's is, like, we were very confused because you're getting essentially, what is that, prequel sequels and shit at a Black Widow. And then all of a sudden, you know, someone had to have seen the universe ripping apart in New York with Spider-Man, but then also, like you said, a giant celestial head in the

Indian Ocean, like it wasn't, the math wasn't mathed. So it's good to know where we are now. What do you think, Koi? So you hear all this and you hear about the timeline. You have some question. I know you don't want to hear anything about. I was like this close. I was like, they say one thing.

No, but you heard about this. So what do you think? So I have a thought, but I don't know if it's like speaking out of place. But Winston yelled at me if I am. I think it's really interesting that we potentially had a story with like there's, I love the first film dealing with race in a very different way. Like it addresses some of the systemic issues in America in a very poignant way that brings up the underground railroad that brings up, you know, slavery on ships. And like the things that they address are very important and not generally discussed in a superhero fair, much less blockbuster fair.

My first thought is we're still living in a system where it is a insane disproportionate amount. of incarceration for African-Americans. A ton of a bit. I'm just waiting. I'm just waiting. So I was wondering if they were going to address, like, how many black men have lost years of their life to the prison system and coming back out of prison and having lost years of their time with their family, of time with their loved ones and stuff.

And if they were going to parallel loss in the snap with someone coming back out of, you know, a form of incarceration, a form of loss. And my immediate thought is that, you know, you know, you know, disparity in our world is because of the way this country runs things. But in this world, it's something out of his control. Like, he couldn't control the fact that he lost five years. And I would have loved to have seen a conversation about where he, how he came back and reform in his own way and finding his culture, you know,

five years removed. I'm right there with you. And knowing Ryan and how every single story that he has told in his films, he does do a very good job of relating his. I mean, that's what you're supposed to do with filmmaking, but relating his experience as far as just the world around him. It's not saying that obviously he has had, you know, served any jail time or anything like that.

But like I think about Fruitville. I think about the first creed. I think about Black Panther. And he very succinctly will attack issues or themes that are important to him. And I agree with you. That's probably what that would have been is what. I've been gone now and there's stuff that happens in the film that very clearly, if that is the route they had gone, you would have seen how that plays out. It's very interesting.

Yeah. Overall, I mean, I think from the stuff that they've had to go through, what I said, like, just the early reaction that I really enjoyed the film. I thought Ryan Cougar is just a, he's at another level right now as far as filmmaker goes. I still stand by the fact that I think you probably could have shaved like 15 minutes off this movie. But other than that, it's a really good movie. And we look forward to, and so speaking of Black Panther, kind of forever, the way of work is that we'll do, I'll have my spoiler review come out, I think, over the weekend of the weekend of release. Now my review will come out this Tuesday. And then the three of us will be back in studio and we'll be talking about on the Monday following, the way we've done a lot of different reviews, whether it was Black Adam, whether it was Spider-Man, whatever it was.

But speaking of Black Adam, something else I actually wanted to bring up. This is interesting, the story, because it's, what is that? I'm Katie Younger Slotsky, and I'm running for city council because L.A. I'm not voting for you. Did we just do an endorsement ad over the rock? I don't know if the movie did that. All right, let's see. I don't even know if I'm voting for it.

I don't even know who that was. All right. Black Adam star, Dwayne Johnson reportedly has thinly veiled disdain for Shazam. Interesting. DC Comics fans may, and this is from comic book movie again, may be eagerly awaiting Shazam meeting Black Adam in the DCU. But if a new report is to believe, Dwayne Johnson is far from a fan of the 2019 movie.

Here is the report. In the buildup, the Black Adams release, star Dwayne, the Rock Johnson, very much gave the impression he was spearheading the plan, new era of the DCU. The actor even filled with questions about this after revealing that he was responsible for Henry Cavill's Superman return, but things have changed a lot since then.

For starters, the Suicide Squad director James Gunn and prolific producer Peter Safran have been tasked with taking charge of DC Studios for Warner Bros. Where does that leave Johnson? A new report from the rap points out that Black Adam Star has long pushed for that franchise to be separate from the Shazam movies. That's no secret as Johnson revealed. He strongly suggested Warner Bros. made a standalone movie featuring Teth Adam, prompting them to scrap plans to feature the anti-hero in the 2019 Blockbuster. An insider tells them, Safran needs to win over all the other filmmakers and Dwayne.

Wayne Johnson's thinly veiled disdain for Shazam means he isn't loving the idea that his boss is now the guy who produces Shazam. Saffron is pretty diplomatic, so I think he will pull it off, but it won't be easy. Johnson once saying he made the unpopular decision to pull Black Adam from Shazam now starts making more sense, as does his remarking saying, I said, I think, I really think that you should make Shazam movie on its own in the tone that you want. And I think we should separate Black Adam as well. clearly had a vastly different take on what sort of tone Black Adam should have, and this may go some way in explaining why there was zero mention of his character being responsible for the seven deadly sins escaping into the world.

That was Black Adams' origin story in the 2019 movie. Black Adam didn't even feature any significant nods to Shazam, but beyond the Wizards cameo, a bizarre decision when the characters are so linked in the comic books. Superman even shows up in the post-credit scene, sending the stage for a crossover that most fans since they would rather see feature Shazam. Could that all be a result of Johnson's supposed disdain for the Shazam franchise? Possibly, but it's also likely that he wants to make Black Adam its own thing.

Still, the lack of chatter surrounding any sort of crossover does feel odd. The irony, of course, is that Shazam has a 90% Rotten Tomato score compared to Black Adams, 40%. The latter looks set to make roughly the same as the 2019 title by the end of its run. So pairing these two up sooner than later might be what's best for Black Adam. Okay, lot to unveil. There's lots to talk about there. I believe this 100%. I don't think the rock.

I don't think the rock likes that movie at all. I don't think that he really cares for Shazam. I don't even know if he likes Zach Levi. I have no idea. I don't know if they know each other or not. You know, if you talk to the Rock, he's like, oh, it's probably perfectly nice guy. But I don't think he likes it.

They're very different, like, in every way, right? Like one of them's an Amblin film. One of them's a 2000s blockbuster. One of them is about family. One of them is about anti-heroes. Like they couldn't be more fundamentally different in their execution while being the same story. Like they are of the same origin, but they are a split of movies. So I can see where The Rock, as a businessman, wanted to make his movie.

He set out for 15 years to make his movie was like, hey, I don't want a bunch of cooks in the kitchen. Let's remove this tone altogether. This is going to be my blackout movie. What will be interesting is one of them costs a lot less. So if one of the, if they make the same amount of money, it is a profit thing. Like Shazam did not cost as much as Black Adam. And I think that it's interesting with the Rock's infrastructure, if they're going to like, you know, force them together.

Because personally, I think the Rock is the most invested in the DC universe outside of the producers. Like outside of James Gunn and Peter Safran, I think no one is as let's grow this thing. let's make this into an empire, let's make Black Adam as part of something greater important. I don't know that Zach Levi or any of that team really wants to play in the greater sandbox. So if it ends up being a thing where like Shazam and Black Adam clash for a second, as a comic fan, that's a bummer. But as a film goer, I don't think it's a bad thing if they stay separate.

Like, yeah, it'd be weird if Lex Luther had an entire movie without Superman, and at the end Shazam cameoed, but it's also weird that the Joker had a child Bruce Wayne in it because it's an else world. You can make else worlds. I'm cool with it. You can, but I think there's a difference with the elseworld

when it comes to both Black Adam and Shazam seemed to fit into the DCU that. And Deemont Honsu, right? I think it's how you pronounce his name. Yeah, like that's a, that's foundational. So with Gunn and Safran coming in there as that report, I thought it was a great article, by the way,

but comic book movie. And I think that that, that is a very good point that I do think, because Saffron is a producer on Shazam, he's going to have to get the rock on board. I understand exactly what you're saying, Koi. I think that you can have standalone movies here and there, but they're two linked together. You got to have,

you got to find a way to fit both Black Adam, Shazam, because all three of them have like the same powers, really. And to have that idea and to put it together and the question is, how do you blend it together? And I think that the other thing, Winston, that I wanted to talk about that we'll we'll shift we could I want to get your thoughts on this first but then we'll shift into um Henry Cavill stuff because the reports are that the rock was instrumental in getting Henry Cavill back I saw an interview recently with having Cavill and he asked

was the rock the one I might have been Chris van bleat that asked I don't remember it was a good interview it was a Chris and he and he asked he said was it the rock that brought that was the one who brought you back and he said there were a lot of people that were instrumental in it and he mentioned Danny Garcia, he said certainly, when Johnson had something to do it, but it didn't seem like he was the only guy, you know, at Henry Cavill's mouth.

So the first question, Winston goes back to what we were just talking about. Is it, do you think that they need to figure this thing out and get the rock on board with Shazam? And the second part of that question is, do you think there's any bad, not bad blood,

but a little sourness, sour grapes on, on Dwayne Johnson, that he wanted to be the guy that was kind of the main advisor, and now they went to gun and saffron? potentially but i'll let me answer the second one first uh just so i don't forget it because obviously i know what we're talking about i i think that that might be the case but let's be honest

here i know the rock is a superstar i know the rock has definitely done a very good job with marketing and pulling stuff like that but the rock isn't like a filmmaker he is a performer who is learning as he's going and becoming a filmmaker like to be honest with you with the exception of I have wanted to make Black Adams since, what, 2012? I think he said something like that. Oh, 2007. Yeah. Okay.

So other than that, please point to me and maybe I'm just missing something where he has been a producer like that. So I'm not saying that he doesn't have the ability to do so. And I'm not saying that he hasn't been wheeling and dealing himself. Oh, I understand. I mean, I'm just saying I still wonder if there's just a little bit of salary. No, no, but I'm saying to if that's what he's thinking.

I'm like, bro, you, like, they have proven that they can do that. And so to be sour grapes about that seems a little silly to me, but I wouldn't be surprised if he has. We've all been in a situation where we've wanted a job and someone else got it. And you said, yeah, I get why they got it. It doesn't mean it doesn't stink. Fair. That is, that is completely fair.

I get that. Now, to that point, if the rock once. to keep this separate at the starting point like they did, and then we get to the point where Shazam and Black Adam clash, I'm fully for it because that's actually what I was saying about this whole idea that most

people were saying, honestly, about how Man of Steel would barrel directly into Batman v. Superman, that didn't make sense. If you would allow Superman to be Superman and the things that he believes in and whatnot, and then let Batman be Batman and do and believe the things he is, and then they come together

and there's that actual clash of ideology because we've established their two different people, that would have flown perfectly, but you barreled right into it. No pun to take. I know, but if you make Black Adam this dark thing and you make Shazam this really light thing

and then the clashing of ideologies becomes a big, you have to do that. I feel like to try and force Superman, I know Superman and Black Adam have fought before, but it's always been Shazam and Black Adam. You know what I'm saying? It's like when Bruce takes on Lex Luthor, cool.

now you're dealing with two super brains with no superpowers with money like you know but it is this is who this is you need Black Adam and Shazam to fight each other Call it what it is Rock wants to fight Superman That's I mean that's what it is

Speaking of Superman Henry Cavill had You know a ton of interviews recently Not only from the from the Black Adam post credit scene But he's talking about inola Holmes too at the moment And Henry Cavill was asked a billion different questions during its interview run, and he's expressed excitement to work with, again, this is a comic book movie.

He's expressed his excitement to work with new DC studios, Bosch, James Gunn, while also sharing more of his hopes for Superman in the DCU moving forward. James Gunn has become an absolute force of nature in the world of superhero filmmaking with the Guardians of the Galaxy trilogy, the Suicide Squad, Peacemaker, and the underrated Super. Nobody talks about that movie along his credits. However, his creative, ambitious look sets to be taken to the next level as the new boss of DC studios alongside producer Peter Safran. Their creative vision will steer what looks to be a new error for the DCU and the hope is that Henry Cabell's Superman will be at the forefront. He recently made his return in Black Adams mid-credit scene, and during an interview with IGN, Cabell shared his thoughts on Gunn's new role.

I've not met James yet, the actor started by admitting, I am looking very forward to meeting him. He's clearly a very, very talented man, and I can't wait to sit down and have a long conversation with him. I'm very excited about him being there and very excited about any future opportunities we can work together. Avel would also go on to share some of his hopes for the Superman franchise. While we know he's looking towards bringing a new season of joy and optimism to the Man of Steel, the Witcher Star, former Richer Star, we should say, also wants his Kallel to inspire. What really gets me about Superman is that he represents the best of the human soul, the greatest of the human soul. It's not just his powers, it's his heart.

It's his heart that makes him so special. And even when he's going through stuff, he's still giving to others. He's still protecting others. He's the one who will always reach out and always give. And in that, there's so much wonder and power. And it's such, as I say, a joyful thing that it's not a mournful way. It is something that is a gift. To be giving a gift because it makes people feel a certain way.

And it also makes them want to give to other people. There's just something so magnificent about that. And of course, then there is a very broad stroke piece. but once you get into the nitty-gritty details of that, and once you start applying the storytelling to all the wonderful, exciting villains that he might come across, then you have a world adventure and a world that an audience leaves a cinematic feeling fantastic. Now, as I said, they follow up,

how the hell is it take in waterplice this long to bring Cavill back? It's blatantly obviously is a deep understanding of the character, and the sooner he gets better to show it on the screen. The better than the Manistil sequel doesn't have a current release date. Okay. Again, lot to pack in here. I'm going to start with this. As I mentioned up top, it was recently announced that he ain't coming back to The Witcher.

Now, there's two different reports why, and I think it's a blend of both. First report is that he wanted to make sure, and he said that he would stick around as long as possible, as long as they stuck to the books, and it doesn't seem like they're going to do that because he left. That's part one. Part two is that Warner Brothers really pursuing him, and he's probably got a house full of money now in many, many Man of Steel movies to come. So, of course, he's leaving. Part three is what I think this means is we talked about this last week on the show.

I think you can take it to the bank that the first big DCU movie released or announced is Manus Steel, too. I think that's the way to get confidence the brand back. I think it's the way to get like the thing going in the right direction with which characters should be the forefront. I think Henry Cavill is, is, you know, ready to make five movies, but we got to start today. But he's also, he's proven. He's a proven, I think you know he's played the character before as opposed to someone new coming into the role or any role going, well, how's that mean?

Because as much, I love Sholo. I love him. I can't wait for Blue Beetle. But you're like, okay, how's he going to be? You have these questions. Do you know how Henry Cavill is going to be in the role? It's a proven character and then it's Superman. And it's a proven portrayal of the character. Because, and I would argue, and I am ready for the comments. Come on, Snyder fans, let's dance.

I, from this sound bite alone, and more excited for this take on Superman than how Zach perceives him. Again, I love Zach Snyder, the man as a human. I love Zach Snyder, the filmmaker. Myself, Coy, and my reading of comic books, have never seen Zach Snyder's Superman. We just don't see the character the same way. That's just my perception versus his perception.

This description, Henry Cavill's perception of Superman, sounds much more akin to mine, and there has never been a time we've needed hope more. I watched Christopher Reeve Superman for the very first time about a month and a half ago. I'd never seen it. I'd never seen the 78 Super Bowl. I was so impressed at what they were able to accomplish, but I was also very well aware that level of hope, that level of earnesty doesn't exist right now.

So I think it's a really beautiful thing. We're transitioning from the Man of Steel movie where he murders someone and probably collaterally damages, kills thousands in Metropolis, and evolve into a character that can be about earnest, hope, joy, belief, smiling. I want this character to be an all-star Superman. I want this to be Superman, you know, red, white, and blue. I want it to be the comics that I love of Superman. And it seems like Henry Cavill is coming back because that's what he wants to portray. I would, I would say what would really make me happy if you want to merge all of of these because obviously Shazam is getting his push with with Fury of the Gods is that

what is it called yeah oh sorry and and while you're on that I also think that's going to help the black Adam transition because of the scope of what Shazam too looks like I was going to say that before no no for sure um I think the way you go is you go there's a I don't quite may have I don't know about you Christian but the the show Justice League Unlimited that they did back in the early 2000s um there was a storyline where they bring Shazam onto the team because obviously Billy is a kid, he is even more of a quote unquote boy scout than Superman, and it kind of causes him to go to get a little more adult

and a little more like kind of mature. But then by being around Shazam at one point, all of a sudden realizes he's gone to great and gets back to what has been affecting him. So if you want to find a way to tie all of this together, you want to tie Black Adam, you want to tie Shazam and Superman into this, if we're saying that this darker tone of Superman is what

was happening. He ends up meeting Shazam and maybe they're at odds ideologically, but something reawakens with him where he's like, actually, it is that hope. It is that goodness. It is that smiling. And you use that as a conduit where they got to take on Black Adam now because homie don't give a damn. You know what I'm saying? I think that that's a way you can bring that all together. It's so interesting also because it's like where this is why both James Gunn and Saffron have so much to do because it's like they've got to also explain to the audience where it takes place. what is canon, what isn't canon, what movies are part of their, are part of their storyline that we've seen before, what aren't, all of that. And the question that a lot of people are going to start asking soon that they haven't already is Jesse Eisenberg, Lex Luthor, who's Lex Luthor? Is there a new Lex Luthor? Is there no Lex Luthor? Like, there's going to be a lot of questions about that because as Cavillian mentions inside of the villains that he's kind of come up with, the Braniac and all these other characters that are coming in. So that's what I'm very curious about. I just, I just, I I did not like Jesse Eisenberg's portrayal of Lexuuther.

I didn't either. I didn't really, really didn't. So do they recast him? Do they, is this part of the Flash movie? Because the Flash movie gives him an out to do a lot of different things. I maintain that's why that movie is still existing. Like I get it that it's good. I get that it's the best since Dark Night as far as ratings and stuff and fan.

But I also think it's foundational to the reboot of the entirety of the universe. Otherwise, they wouldn't have a guy that, potentially a person potentially facing 26 years as the forefront of their new franchise. They need them to conclude it before they can relaunch. All right. Right. Go ahead. No, no, no.

I was just going to reiterate. All right. So we got, I mean, look, there's a lot that we covered today, tons of it. And now I'm very excited. Once again, you guys have been talking about this segment. We love this segment. It is. Boom.

I see what you did there. The boom is our, if you're brand new, the show. you haven't seen this before boom studios produce excuse me it sponsors this segment but it is a comic book segment where we will cover a lot of stuff from boom and there's other stuff that whether coy or winston or myself which are reading or heard about um we will talk about it inside of this and i wanted to let everybody know that we're very excited if you haven't more people are learning about boom the studios because of us and i'm very excited about that um but i'm also excited because we get a chance to even dive a little deeper and i'm going to throw it off a little bit here

I'm not even going to start with a boom. I'm not starting with it. I'm going to start with this. So Marvel Comics announces free comic book day, 23 titles for Spider-Man, Venom, and Avengers X-Men. May 2020-3 is still a long way off, but Marvel Comics has already revealed its free comic book day offerings, which includes Avengers X-Men, Spider-Man, Venom, and more.

Now, we're only gearing up for the holidays, but Marvel Comics has already revealed, next year's free comic book day offerings will be getting four separate titles packed with exciting entry points into the Marvel Comics mythos, including lead in stories to the biggest comic book sagas of 2023 like Fall of X and Summer of Symbiates. There will be also spotlight creators and characters from different cultures, communities, and identities providing the perfect first comic for new readers. There's a lot here. But Coy, what do you think? Tell me a little bit about this. Comic book day. This is something you probably don't, you probably shut your phone off and nobody can see

you because you're going to get comics. So it's a really cool day that they do every year. It is the first Saturday in May. And basically, it is a way to get people into comic book stores. So they give away literally hundreds of free comic books. Every different publisher has their free comics. But the stores often have like 50% off certain books or like some percent off old Silver Age books. And basically, it's a party.

It's Marty Groff for comic fans. So what I usually do is I go around all of my local comic book shops. pick up a couple of free books, but I also try to help the stores by getting like, you know, the discounts on books, but supporting. So the last three years, or one year was locked down. So over the last four years, the last three years, I've gone to the seven shops I go to in the greater L.A. area and film and try to advertise and get awareness because it's about these shops staying open. It's the physical store because free comics are to bring you into the store and check out stuff. So the coolest thing about like House of Secrets, Golden Apple and those places is they often

curate like, hey, if you like this free comic, here's two that you'd also like, they're half off. Hey, if you like this creator, here's some of their other work as a trade. So it's a really great day to like discover. So it's kind of like buying an old school DVD bundle set of like Colin Farrell and being like, oh, this is his other movie and like seeing, you know, that that world. So I love free comic book day. Well, there you go. So 2023, that's coming out.

Now let's talk about Boom, because Boom has some really fun stuff coming out as we've talked about Instant knows about this one. This is magic. Oh, yeah. Magic number 20. It is a big, big week for Magic the Gathering fans because Magic number 20, it's coming out this week and it features the epic final confrontation that's going to end the Battle of Ravnikka storyline. I know for me I've heard that room is coming out it's got some big plans for magic in 20223 and through Mark Ellis and Ben Beaton

and all these people I'm learning more and more about it it sounds something I want to see more I'm hearing more I'm it seems right up my alley so you definitely don't want to miss what's going on right now and get caught up on this storyline it's coming it is available this week it's magic number 20 I the thing because I read it obviously and it's phenomenal I think the only thing that like bothers me

is that I didn't know sooner. So I could have read everything leading up to it because enough of my knowledge base from the game, there were things I picked up on immediately. I was like, oh, snap. That's like, you know, that's a stampede. Or that's what, like, I was definitely locked in. But I just wish I'd seen the other stuff.

But what I read from 20 is amazing. It literally feels like if I was watching a film that likes to show the ending first, I bet you're wondering how we got here. Like, I'm as soon as we're, done i'm going to go read one through 19 to catch up on the rest yeah i heard some great things about it as well and i want to i want to really dive deep into this stuff because i don't know if i've played like the game itself because it's so it seems like it's overwhelming but the comics

something that i could definitely see myself getting into and learning more about and we've talked about this coy where boom is doing something i think special the reason why their name is getting out there as much as it is is because it's hard to compete with a marvel in dc when you do the traditional superhero storylines, they spin it genre-wise, and they do different things, whether it's in horror or fantasy. And I think that nothing can be more true than as we talk about Behold Behemath. Now, I know that you have checked this out, but in the original, so Behold Behemoth, it's coming out. And it's the original from Boom Studios. It's Behold Behemath, the new number one, and everybody's geeking out about it. We talked about it. We're excited about it. Coy is literally

popping out of his seat so I can show up. up so he wants to talk about it. But we told you last week that the fans were hyped about it. And we were absolutely right. We found out boom and actually announced yesterday at the first printing of the comic, it's already sold out at the distributor level, which is awesome. Wow. Yeah. That means that honestly, whatever is on store shelves right now is all that's left of the final printing of the cover. A second printing is on the way. But for collectors, that original first printing is going to become highly collectible as the series goes on. So if it is a series that you think you're going to want to collect, head down to your

comic shop as soon as possible so you can get one. McCoy, go ahead, man. Okay, so first, number ones are the great gateway for people like Christian that don't as often read comics. And boom, for example, is a great place to get these new number ones with new creators you might not know and experience something that doesn't have a ton of continuity. Like, you're diving in number one. You don't have to have read a single other comic to get the whole behemoth.

And what I love about this book is the scope. It is a great first comic for anyone because you immediately see the power of the medium. You're aware that, you know, a director would need $300 million to make this thing, and they might not get that money. Instead, you can show the scope of your imagination, your creativity with this book. It reminds me a lot of another boom title. We only find them when they're dead, which is this incredible book about basically hunting the bodies of gods to basically harvest them for sustenance and money. So it's the scope of a world where gods, we only find them when they're dead. So you find these dead gods and then you utilize them.

And then from that number one, that they're in issue 18 of that, they've made this whole religion, this whole political intrigue. And I can see that happening with the whole behemoth. The whole behemoth is a great foundation. It's a great starting point to build a giant lore. I know how much Winston loves lore. This is so tangibly like, hey, we can build franchises off this. We can start this entire world.

And what I love most is that it just feels like, and I said it last week briefly, you immediately love the characters. You immediately believe the world. but upon reread, what I am overwhelmed by is the possibility of the scope. And there's a reason number one sold out. And just like a berserker, like, buy multiple copies. Like, I got three number ones of the first printing of berserker at three different local comic shops.

That way, I wasn't a monster and also so I could support local comic shops. But I'm not stealing from everybody by taking the last three. But, like, this book is already sold out. So if you're buying comics to read them, number ones are great. If you're buying comics for their collectibility, number one's first print. are great. And if you're just trying to understand this world of fandom, boom's a great place to get number ones because you're not going to have to have read the 60 years of Spider-Man, Winston, and I have. It's amazing. So again, we have those two. And then there's something else that they told us about that we're really pumped about. There's something that I, because we, every week, they send us the new stuff and stuff that's coming out. We got a little special previews. But this one here is something I was to tell you got a little bit more about it. It's called Firefly, keep flying. It's a new one-shot story set in the Firefly universe. And it's written by Jeff Jensen, who was one of the writers on,

oh, excuse me. Oh, there's the fit, everybody. Sorry. So Jeff Jensen, he was actually one of the writers on HBO's Watchman. Firefly plans are not going to want to miss this one. It's a unique story, and it takes place many years after the events of both the series and the movie. River Tam is the current captain of the Serenity, putting together a brand new crew and embarking on an amazing adventure.

So I know that I remember for many, many times just coming into this space and shoot, not even in the space. When I was working at Silver, Ethan Irwin raved about Firefly. Talked about Firefly all the time. Everybody loved Firefly. Everybody loved that whole, the movie, the lore, from the show into the film. And they have a very, very hardcore fan base. So the idea of the continuation into a comic, I think, is something that is very smart. Again, this is why I talk about boom and how what they're doing is very smart.

this company. And I'm saying this honestly. Even they didn't sponsor the segment. It's really fascinating when you see a studio that gets it. And Winston, by them continuing on this series, it just seems like that plays into it. Yeah.

I honestly think so. And, you know, I think, like you said, this has become one of my favorite segments to do just from the standpoint of like, I don't, again, I have read, Coy is right, 60 years of Spider-Man, but not across the board. Like, I can't say that about every single title, every single character, all that kind of stuff. I love that I feel like I'm on the ground floor, but I'm also not just on the ground floor from the standpoint of like, okay, whatever.

Like, this is high quality, man. Like, it's on another level. Again, you're, you are looking at that rookie quarterback that is already mixing up with the great. from the start. I'm still thinking about damn them all, man. I like that. We read that a week and a half ago, and I'm still thinking about that book.

That's a great number one. And what you're saying, because this is the ground floor. You can just pick up that one and, like, dive in. Sorry to interrupt. No, it's okay. So I'm glad that,

once again, those are all the stuff that's in there. You can check out all those titles. And we're excited to be working with Boom. Very pumped up for it. Once again, ladies and gentlemen, this has been the segment. It wasn't delayed at all.

So, Anyway, it's a pleasure to be working with those guys. It's a pleasure to really get the passion more so out of Coy and Winston when it comes to comic books and watching them kind of light up. And me being the kind of the learner and learning more about these things every day. Because I get more excited and I've always gotten more excited about projects when I know them that I've heard about them. I've read about them. I've read them. And then they become and then when I see like the announcement of, oh, they're turning it into a TV show.

turning it into a movie and I think you're going to get a lot of that from this segment. So yeah, so I'm excited about it. What was a pretty stacked show today, guys? I got one last plug for a non-boom comic. I meant to plug it in earlier. DC Comics this week, Paul Danae himself wrote Ridler number one in the continuity of the Batman. Oh, wow. I think it's a mini series that's going to be five or six issues, but it's his personal vision

of how the Ridler and his The Batman started. And the art is gorgeous and it's really like, it feels like David, Fincher 7, but the Ridler's perspective. And you start to get teases of how his idolship of the Batman came to be. And the artist, who's incredible, makes it, Paul Dayno. So written Bob Haldano looks like his young

Ridler, solid first issue. Check it out. That reminds me of when the Batman 89 comic came out. I love that Batman 89 comic. I remember we talked about it. So if you liked the Batman, which we both did, and Winston, since you and I talked about the Ridler's like backstory, he actually came up with it as an actor, and then made it into a comic book.

It's dope. Wow. All right. Again, guys, stacked show. We will be back in studio next week. So again, how it's going to work. We have next Thursday will be, excuse me, next Friday will be, as always. You get one capes and cows.

And then the following week, you're going to get essentially two capes and cows because you'll get the Black Panther Wakana forever, spoiler discussion on a week from Monday. And you'll also have the show that will come out the following Friday. So anyway, thank you guys so much for joining us. Thank you to Winston. Thank you to Koi. Thank you to everybody out there. Make sure you comment.

Get yourself some trade coffee and I want to hear about it. I really want to hear about it. I want to hear it because I'm telling you, this is a company I really want to, I want them to renew. I want to hear more of it because for selfish reasons, I want my office to smell like this all the time. And I'm going to get a subscription to them regardless. But either way, I really want you guys. I want to, when we had athletic greens, I kept hearing. how you guys are trying it and loving it.

I want to hear the same thing for trade coffee. So go ahead. Let me know. All right, everybody. Thank you guys so much. Thank you to Coy and Winston. And we'll see you on the flip side. Peace. Point Ray's Farmstead Cheese has the perfect way to celebrate your graduate. Give them something they'll actually remember. Award-winning California-made artisan cheese. Our collections work for every milestone in budget.

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