The Kristian Harloff Show - Dune 3 Vs Avengers: Doomsday Is Heating Up!

Episode Date: January 19, 2026

On today's episode of The Kristian Harloff Show, we break down some of the biggest movie and TV headlines making waves across Hollywood and fandom. We start with an update on Dune: Part Three, as new reports indicate the film's release date is not moving despite speculation. What does this mean for the future of the franchise and Warner Bros.' long-term plans? Kathleen Kennedy also makes headlines with bold comments about the future of Indiana Jones, stating the iconic series will "never be done." We discuss what that could mean for Lucasfilm, legacy characters, and audience fatigue. Meanwhile, Zootopia 2 continues its incredible run by setting a global box-office record, raising questions about Disney animation, sequels, and what audiences are really showing up for. We also dive into comments from Matt Damon and Ben Affleck on shrinking attention spans and how modern audiences consume movies in the streaming era. Finally, we take a look at the latest trailer for A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms, which teases what's still to come this season and how it connects to the larger Game of Thrones universe. Join Kristian Harloff and the panel as they break it all down, share insights, and debate what these stories mean for the future of movies and television. SPONSORS: LEESA: Go to https://www.Leesa.com for 25% off PLUS get an extra $50 off with promo code KRISTIAN, exclusive for my listeners! MARS MEN:   For a limited time, our listeners get 50% off for life plus Free Shipping AND 3 Free Gifts at Men Go To https://www.MenGoToMars.com. It's a perfect way to kick off the New Year strong.  After you purchase, they will ask you where you heard about them. PLEASE support our show and tell them our show sent you. PRIZEPICKS: Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/KRISTIAN and use code KRISTIAN and get $50 in lineups when you play your first $5 lineup!

What's going on, everybody? Play the food over there. It is, Dune says, we ain't moving doomsday. Beat it. We're staying here. We deserve to be here. We ain't moving. Smart, stupid. We're going to talk about. Few other things going on in the world of movie news. Definitely in talking about the box office. Avatar wins again. What's the overall chances of what it's going to, or what it's going to make. And, you know, this is our show, Roke and I have been on together in quite a bit.

So we'll discuss some things, especially with the box office. So let's get into it. It's the Christian Harleaf show here today on this holiday, on Monday. Let's do it. Here we go. Great. Welcome back to the show. Ladies and gentlemen here on this Monday, different start time here today.

I'll explain why in just a second. But joining me on the show, he's. been here every monday i have not and that of course is john roka john how are you my friend how's it going man good good to see you brother finally back together again i know i know i know you've been having me hold down the fort here which i appreciate me and winston having fun on mondays but it's great but it's been doing great i've been watching a lot of the you know some of the conversations a lot of it that i agree with a lot of it didn't agree with what a surprise yes but um it was it was nonetheless it was fun to watch and i'm glad you guys were able to do that so

yeah, LA was a trip, man, going back and forth. I don't recommend that to anybody in that short period of time. Please, no thanks. I just drove to L.A. back and forth yesterday. That's enough. And I'm wrecked today. You don't know the jet lag, Dave. No, that's what I'm saying.

There were various times on both trips, but more so on the second trip, that I forgot where I was in New York or I didn't know if I was in L.A. I was like, I was like, where am I right now? Like, oh, I'm in L.A., definitely. Did I leave? move from LA? But it was just like I couldn't remember. I'm like, where am I? The time was all messed up.

Nonetheless, back. A lot of stuff went down last week, obviously. We don't have to kind of dive too much into it because I'm sure we're both pretty exhausted by it. But over the weekend, holy man, and you nicely tweeted me, tweeted at me when it came to, there was an article that came out about, you know, Flonian.

this stuff. And I just, but people were just sending me stuff and I was, I was like, and again, this is no, this is, I appreciate that you put me out, but I, there, I many times like, I wish he didn't tag me on that tweet. Only because people, well, people kept putting stuff. And here, here's what I'll say about this. And I want, and I want to put this to bed afterwards, because I'm tired of it. And I also don't want, I don't think people should harp on it. Um, the first thing is that I do, I wish, I hope Foloni is the answer. I really do. I hope he's the answer. I hope he's the guy that brings Star Wars back to prominence in the way that I hope Harbar brings the Giants back to prominence, right? Oh, yeah. I really do hope that that is the case. And for anybody thinking

otherwise, you're mistaken when it comes to, because I saw it from a go, oh, this guy, I don't watch the shows anymore. He just hates on stuff. It's like, it's not the case. I'm a Giants fan. They have not been good. I'm waiting for them to get good again. And with the right moves they can. Now, I like this choice in Harbar as a coach, as, you know, bringing him in. But there have been others in the past that I have not and it hasn't and it hasn't fared well right and there's other times that I haven't wanted people for coaches and it has fared well right so I don't know what this is going to be but the thing that that was getting they keep getting tweeted out is this and and you can either put this to bed or don't put this to bed if you're out there watching and listening I don't care is the

last I'm going to really talk about about two and a half two years ago what I said was I don't believe that Dave Flonney is a fan of Andor, right? Now, when I say that also, do I think that he, do I, do I know that he, he thinks it's a bad show? Absolutely not. Never said that once. That it's a bad show. The quality is bad that he doesn't think that, you know, it's Tony Gilroy, right? Does he think that the essence of what it is is Star Wars? And does he think that what the essence of it is is, is his belief what Star Wars? No, I do not believe that he thinks that. And I, and a lot of different. So I, I, there's two and a half years. years ago that I brought this up. I just he's just not a fan of that as a Star Wars project,

right? Right, right. Two and a half years ago. So here's this announcement that I see your your tweet that tweets out that there's an article that comes out that says people have said whether, I don't know, you can you can clarify after I go on this thing, that he wasn't a fan and or. And then all these people will start telling me, well, if he wasn't a fan this, I'm like, let me ask you, before you keep asking me that, I have no idea who this person. person is who wrote this article that John sent me. No idea. You don't know who Drew Taylor is? Drew Taylor's probably seen him. I've probably seen a few times, but I don't, I'm not like friends. I don't think if I've had a conversation with them, I'd be surprised or if I haven't had a conversation,

or if I've had one or two, sure, but I don't know who the person is. Okay, fair. All I'm asking somebody to say is, if two and a half years ago, I was saying the same thing that Drew was saying in this article now, yeah, yeah, is that just coincidence? I mean, it's like literally the same thing. Is it just coincidence? Now, and then people, start my favorite this morning and I just responded with ha ha ha because I couldn't take anymore. Someone sends me a clip of Floney talking about complimenting and or right. He is the creative head of the company. Yeah. So here's an example I want to give to something. So let's John Roker's part of my channel. If John Roka started to do a wrestling show on my channel

and we hired him to do a wrestling show, he starts doing a wrestling show. And inside of it, he starts doing things in a John Roker way, wherever it might be, and the show is doing very well and everything too. And I say in my office here, and I say to somebody, it doesn't really

feel like it's part of my channel. It feels differently. It doesn't really, I don't dig it in the way that, you know, people are digging. I just, I don't I don't like the show. I'm not but you know whatever then then i'm public and people are going so what's going on in your channel

do you think i'm going to say oh like john show john show sucks and i'm promoting it right and by the way he never said it sucks he never said and or sucks right right never once never once did i say that i just don't think in his essence of what he thinks star wars is and and by the way there's a lot of people that don't think and or is star wars he's not alone he's not alone in that fact I'm just telling you that to me it was like oh maybe we're not going to see that kind of serious type of Star Wars so please stop sending me the stuff from

Celebration in no world is he going to say what do you think about Andrew? He's celebration he's going to pump up every as he should right as he should but so don't send me those clips but I leave it on the table there and say I root for him I root for him

I root for him to win I root for him to bring Star Wars back anybody who thinks otherwise that I don't want You're mistaken. I want the guy to succeed. Yeah. That's my ranch, I'm please.

You go ahead. Just to add to what you were saying right at the beginning with the Giants thing, no matter who's the coach, you want the Giants to succeed, right? And so no matter who's running Star Wars, you want Star Wars to succeed.

And that's like the underlying thing. And I think all the fans share that who actually legitimately care for Star Wars. You want it to succeed. Yes, do you prefer or do you think somebody else should be in charge or maybe you like Faloni being in charge? You're excited about it.

That's all for you. fair. We all have our opinions, but at the base level, if you care about the franchise, you want it to succeed, right? Where the battles come in is like, well, who should be running it? Why do I think this person should be wrong? God, thank God, Kathleen is gone. But we know this. Sometimes you get rid of a coach or a general manager and the new one that comes in ain't as strong, or is stronger and can take it to the next level. We don't know, right? And the whole thing, when I tagged you with this, it was just out of respect. I know, I know, I know, one that threw me into it, but I hear you about sometimes I forget that, you know, people take this thing

and then go after you about it because they don't come after me quite as hard as they come after you because you have more followers, more subscribers, and you're more embedded in the Star Wars culture because of all the years that you've done the show. But all I was saying was that

when I was told the first I ever heard of it was from you, and so Drew Taylor, who I know and have had on the hot mic before, and I met him at the Collider offices and I like Drew as a writer, he's a pretty credible guy. And I had no conversations with Drew. Right, right.

I'm about this stuff at all. Right. You're not the source for Drew's saying the source, right. Drew has his own source, independent sources. Right. But Drew is saying the same thing. That means there is this feeling. The same thing. Right.

Not like similar. The same. Literally the same. And so to me, that is indication that, yes, he doesn't think this kind of Star Wars is his kind of Star Wars. And people posting clips, you all got to stop. He's a company man. He's getting paid. That's what he should be doing.

He should be doing. He should be doing that. Exactly. There are, in any, those of you, those of you who post this, stuff you have jobs you know that you can't talk shit about your job on social media because you'll get fired there's no difference here but it's also a bad business it's bad business to to say like well you know you know Tony is doing a great job right uh in promoting and or filming in the way he does but it to me it's not what george really um put forward that you don't get that would

be terrible he he has never said but he's never said anything negative about any of the star or show any of the stuff no no no any of the stuff no And that's the thing. So for people to post positive, it's like, that's what he says about everything. Just like Kenneth Kennedy was really positive about everything until she decided to step down in that exit interview, she had some comments. And even Ryan Johnson came back at her and said, it's not spooked. This is what I was going to ask you.

Okay. So here, so this is, this is again. So very similar to that situation, right? You never should get the real truth of what happened. And honestly, he should never talk about it publicly if we didn't think it was. You shouldn't because it's too. It's a very popular show and it won a bunch of awards and got nominated for a bunch of stuff anyway. So, or got nominated rather.

So it's very similar to where, like, imagine if I would have said beforehand, from what I hear is that Ryan Johnson didn't want, just didn't like the online criticism. Right. He didn't like. And everyone's like, well, he said he said he didn't bother. And then Kathleen Kennedy comes out and says, well, Ryan didn't like the online negative. So she's just her saying it. And then he goes, never, never spooked, not true. Who's lying?

Ryan Johnson's lying through his fucking teeth, in my opinion. I think, I don't think Kathleen would say that. Why would she say that? Unless she had conversations with him and was essentially saying certain things. And so she felt that she had the right to say that. Yeah. But Ryan to come out with the spooked thing. I think it's a, I think it's poor form by Ryan to say that because people have now brought up old tweets where he has gone back at people about their criticisms of,

of the last Jedi and of other things. And so he's getting found out for not really telling the truth and looking like he was spooked by the criticism, angered by the criticism. And by the way, that's not a negative. It's okay to be. It's okay to be. I don't know why he felt the bead to make the stupid stance. I would, when I heard, I was like, when she said it, I was like, I get it.

That's a way of, because look, I, the new nine, the new nine is out was one of my favorite movies of the year last year. It was in my top 10. Um, Looper. The Breaking Bad episode. Looper. I'm a massive fan of Ryan John. I think he's, I don't like The Last Jedi.

I don't like that movie. But I still think people who go, oh, he's the worst. He did this, and you just forget. Look, there's tons of people that, I like that movie. I liked five of his movies that he did,

an actor or an actress, but I didn't like that one. You can do that. You're allowed to. But regardless of what I feel overall about The Last Jedi, that wave that he gets about the being the guy who destroyed Star Wars and ruined it. I mean, nobody.

he wants that. I mean, look, I was, I wasn't, not, not to that extent, but when I was getting hit with all those tweets from people going, look, look, look, look, I'm like, leave me alone. I'm trying to enjoy food with my daughter. And I'm like, who cares? And I had responded one time later, and I'm like, you know what, I'm just going to talk about it on Monday and just never talk about it again. So if you want to believe it, if you want to believe that, you know, every, and it's okay, as a leader, too. And this is another thing that I am giving, I give him props also. If he doesn't feel that it's the essence of it, then good on him for saying, look, this is how I feel. And you shouldn't make it public. You should tell your people and whoever it might be.

Look, this is what I think. And there are a lot of that he did good there. But this to me isn't really the essence of Star Wars. I just thought because of the stuff I happen to think it's some of the best stuff that they've done since like empire. Right. So to me, it's like that's a little concerning that if that's a case. But who cares in the long run? Well, as I said in the beginning of will the guy win championships for the team you know and there's a lot of people who believe that he will and there's no world where i'm going to go oh yeah good well right right i'm going to say go for it and i will also say that i was wrong about something last week too it's probably a really good point okay and i didn't think about it because i said look and you and i ever talked about this

too um he doesn't really start with what we said was he doesn't really start like the the microscope doesn't, until, until after Starfighter, right? Yes. Yeah. Someone brought up a great point. Okay.

That's not necessarily true because he has a major creative hand in both Osoka, obviously. Yes. And Mandalorian and Grogu. Now, yes, Favro has taken the reins with it, and Favro is

directing it, and she produced it for sure. Pheloni is a massive part of that show. He's a massive part of bringing that to life. They wanted to do an Obi-1, I mean, sorry, a Boba-Fet series, which Flanini said, well, we can't do a Boba-Fet because of this and that and that, but we can do something else. And he worked with Fabro to develop that show and turn it into what it was. And you've got to give the man the credit on that.

So he does have a lot of stake in the Mandalorian universe. And I kind of brushed it off. And when someone brought up the comments said, no, no, they're 100% right. Not in the same way that he will once Starfighter is done. And he's got the movies that he goes. greenlit and put it out there, but he certainly has a major stake in this move. Well, yes, because he's the chief creative officer for the last couple of years, right? So he's had, he's one of the voices in the room.

And he is the chief creative officer. So arguably you could say he's like a big dictator. But like, Kathleen made it really clear in her interview that him and was it Pablo, the other guy, like they're, they're their Star Wars Encyclopedia guys, right? She didn't say Dave is really taking the step. He has been spearheading all of these series. So I think he's in the room with Kathleen and other people and other creatives and they're having conversations about things, right?

And if we're going to give him credit for that, you got to give him credit for how terrible the acolyte turned out to be. You can't just go for the, you can't just give them credit for the hits and not the misses. There's too many people, too many Star Wars fans want to discount all of Kathleen Kennedy's hits and only focus on the misses and want to give all the credit to Cvaloni's hits and ignore all the misses. That's not how this game works.

you call balls and strikes fairly. And so if he's, if he was a chief creative officer, that means he was chief credit officer for that third. Yeah, he's, you know, I said that on the other day, which was like great. 100%. 100%. I said the other day on Friday, he's given his notes on all of this things, too, and he's been around on enough too. But someone that asked because they said, well, do you agree with Roka on the overall grade

of Kathleen Kennedy, which he gave a B minus? And I said, well, I'm sure if you asked Roka two different questions, he'd probably have the same answers to me, which was, it depends on how you're rating her, right? Yeah. Are you rating her as an overall, like, you know, executive who made money and as someone as far as profit and that type of thing is, or are you ranking her as a Star Wars creative slash executive? I think there's two different

rankings there. I think for me, as someone, if I'm Bob Eiger and I brought in someone to make me money as far as the production and money size monetarily, you can go, you can probably go to a B, you know, because the loss still comes with the freaking Indiana Jones movie and the solo and Willow and all it says, the loss is solid. As a Star Wars executive slash creative, I would say C minus because if you think about it, if the creative would have been stronger, that B that I just gave probably would have been an A because last, the rise of Skywalker, if handled correctly, could have made $2.7 billion, if they would have done it in the same way.

Yes, you made billions of dollars with four movies, but how much more could you have made if the creative was better? Yeah. Yeah, I hear you. I just think that, you know, you and I are, we were adults when those prequel trilogy movies came out. And yes, we know now, like a lot of the fan bases like, they're amazing. But like when they came out, that was the death of Star Wars.

Wars. Okay, like the brand was dead. It was on life support because people didn't like those movies. No matter how many people try to retcon that shit now. I could cite you a number of articles in EW, variety, THR, all those things back then who were saying that Star Wars is dead.

Who's going to save Star Wars? How can we fix Star Wars? Talking about how terrible it was. I know the narrative around the prequels has changed now, but back then, that's the actual thing that was going on. A lot of our and that's why George sold it. Fans were giving him shit about how much He was tired of that.

That's true. That part's true. He was tired of the crap and he sold it. So like to me, that's like nothing says, I can't take it anymore like selling your baby. He sold his baby because of all the fan abuse. For really cheap price too, by the way. $4 million for that is.

So what Kathleen did, and which is why I give her a little more credit than you and other people, and I totally respect your points of views. Of course, I always understand. So I call perspective and subjective. I think she took that brand, revitalized it, gave us Grogu, gave us Kylo, gave us.

Ray gave us these other things that elevated it, Mandelaarine Grogu, and or visions. I like Badbatch. Like, there's a lot that she did under her watch. That was amazing. The merchandise sales, all of that. And it expanded the reach of Star Wars into communities where Star Wars had not necessarily broken through.

And so to me, this is where I think she deserves more credit for you going to do it. But yes, there were missteps. There were mistakes. Yeah. She brought back JJ trying to, you said, if they fixed Rise of Skyward, she tried to do that, bringing it back. JJ. She heard the fans saying Ryan was a fucking, they didn't like Laster Jedi. She heard the fans instead of sticking to her gun.

She said, okay, let's bring JJ back. And she had no idea. Travaro, Travaro was the only one out of the three of those directors. Travara was the only one to say, okay, well, you guys built this. Yes. You know, you got to gave me this. So I got to write around this. I got to work within it.

You're what I got. So I'll just take what you. Okay, raise nobody, but she did, but this. And Kylo's bad. So we'll give me there, we'll do this. We'll combine it together. So what do you think, guys? great, you're fired.

Let's do it. Now, everything else that was said, Jay is like, ah, I didn't like that. So no, no, we're going to bring him back. Yeah, yeah, he's got to be redeemed. Everybody gets redeemed in Star Wars. And then, you know, same thing. Any who cares?

So I just think she tried. She really tried to do something great with Star Wars, but she made some mistakes. I think that's fair. But she also had more hits than people are given her credit for. People dismissing Mandalorian or Andor or Rogue one. I mean, forget that she removed fucking Edwards and

Briding Gilroy that's saved and or a Rogue 1. If she hadn't done that, we wouldn't have gotten Rogue. Yes. And the counter I guess could be what kind of movie would have been if Lord Miller would have stayed on. That's totally fair. And I agree with that, by the way. That's a miss. I think that's a missed. Right. But I don't disagree with you.

There's some, there's, there's, there's a lot of wins with a lot of losses. Anyway, um, okay. Let's get into something else. Because before we get into, we've got, we've got a lot of talk about. We've got box office stuff we're going to talk about. We've got other things. So I might as well just tell you guys now, too, my oldest, I just got her a new mattress in a great

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But we right now working on 16 questions. Pretty damn good. Start off our first show back. See if we can get to a Hyundai. Let's go, people. Last week's winner was Steph, which doesn't surprise me also because The people are coming in, new mama to be, Seth's the bra. Of course.

So, um, all right. Let me bring. I try to get pregnant over the weekend. It didn't work. Didn't work, huh? Yeah. Yeah. Junior.

Come on. Dude, junior, junior, too. Yeah. The outlaw, he's pregnant. Um, so there's, uh, this doomsday is, it takes over the news everywhere now. Like, for a bit, people are, I always really talking about doomsday. And it's all everyone's talking about is doomsday. Doomsday, doomsday.

And then even they were supposed to come out in May or June or whatever it was supposed to be last year or next or this year. No, this year. And then they go, nope, we're moving until December. Problem is same day as Dune 3. It was like Dune's got to move. Dune's got to move. Dune says, nope, not going to happen. So let me tell you this story.

And this is going to be an interesting one to say the least here. Yeah. I'm so, I don't know if this is ballsy, stupid, or both. Dune Part 3, ain't moved. Not moved. Right now, December 18th, 2026 is looking like the single biggest day on the movie calendar this year. Both Marvel Studios, Avengers, Dune State, and Warner Bros. Pictures, June 3 will release that day. Currently being dubbed Dune's Day, not just by the internet, but both Downey and Chalabay.

Many are wondering if one of these films will blink and move. Warner's did lock in that date first, and now longtime box office analysts Empire City box office have made it clear that Warner's ain't moved. They indicate that Denise directed Dune film has exclusively claimed all IMAX screens for three consecutive weeks, something they won't be able to repeat for months. The one possible nearby release window that was looking thin

as early November was quickly filled in the other week with J.J. Abrams, The Great Beyond, and Godzilla. up minus zero. The deal means there will be no IMAX screens available for Avengers Doom's Dune, at least for its first few weeks. Dune Part 3 shot major sequences of IMAX cameras where Dune's day doesn't appear to have used them at all. This is such a crazy and interesting story and I love it, right? Because look, I'm, I root for Dune. I mean, I love those movies. I love the Duke movies. And I want Dume's Day to do well too. I'm going to see both of them. You are going to see both of them. We're going to see the press screenings.

We're okay, right? Right. These movies ain't cheap to go see in the theater. Especially IMAX. Especially IMAX. Now, but the question will then, people are going to go, what about, you know, Barbineheimer? So dramatically different. So dramatically different because those are two different audiences.

Yeah. In general, right? And what I said the other day about that one is what both of those, the hype for Barbie and the hype for Oppenheimer, right? what it did was when all of this press started coming out about, well, Barbenheimer and this and that, the people who wanted to see Oppenheimer and didn't realize it was coming out, but got word of it and more promotion through it because of Barbie. Vice versa.

Same thing. So like, oh, this, I don't want to see this movie about. Oh, Barbie's in, go see Barbie. Two different audience. This is the same audience. Yep. This is the same freaking audience. So maybe it benefits.

maybe it doesn't. I still think that Dune is going, I think Dune will be the better movie overall, quality-wise, but I think it's going to get destroyed in the box office. I think it's going to get destroyed. Yeah.

Well, as always your bias shows here, because you're focused on just the titles, and this is about Florence Pugh that weekend. It's Pew weekend. She's in both of those movies. You're not wrong. And your bias against her, on because that's what we should be talking about.

I love Faris few, by the way. I do. You just know Julie Roberts, God. Hey, oh, but no, this is a fascinating thing. And Jeff said this on the hot mic, that whoever lands the IMAX screens is going to keep that date. Right. And so if we buy what Empire City Box Office is saying,

by the way, I don't know, we don't have confirmation from Warner Brothers or people at IMAX, if that is the case yet. If that is true, then this is a colossal misstep, I think, by Marvel. because people love to see these kinds of epic, epic massive films in iMex and to give away three weeks of that time where you could be showing your movie,

which by the way, we'll have, what, 75 people in the cast to not put that on an IMAX screen, I think is a massive mistake. So is this the first kind of indication we have early on in the year already that they might push this thing? I don't know because not having the IMAX screens, we've seen the number of films come now Christian had have made a lot of money. Now, IMAX is becoming a place where films, especially franchise films, can make a significant portion of their box office. Now, it's no longer like 1%.

It's actually much more than that now because people want to go. And it's more accessible in multiple multiplexes, as opposed to like one place, two hours away from you where it was for a lot of time. So to me, this is an interesting indication that Dune is not moving. And I wonder how Marvel is going to react, Or are they just going to go, well, screw it. We're just going to do what we got here. Yeah.

That's exactly what they're going to do. They're going to bulldoze through and say, okay, fine. We're just going to, well, you guys want to go for it. Let's go head to head. I think that there's two things there. Yeah. I think that Dune will not move. I did think that they would, but I think because they do have that advantage of having

IMAX screens for three weeks. Yeah. Now, Doomsday wasn't shot in IMAX. so you don't really need it. It's fun to watch. You don't need it though. Dune needs it. Dune State does not need it.

So I understand why they have to stay there because now they've lost their window opportunity to keep those three weeks. So I understand. It's not a matter anymore about Dune ain't moving. It should be called Dune can't move. Now they can't move now. They can't move.

So they're forced to go. go up against doomsday right now. This is going to be an interesting test case, Christian. Don't you think? Because first of all, it's smart to do it Christmas time. Because people are going to,

you know, they're going to want to go out. The family's going to be coming into town the week before Christmas and all of that. So they're going to want to go see this together right before Christmas and then after Christmas and what have you. So putting them out at the same time may not damage either boxoff.

It may actually be an interesting test case that you can release to massive films on the same day. If you time it out correctly, and they will each do Bonzo box office for what they're at. And maybe Marvel gets more screens while Dune gets the IMAX screens. I don't know how that all works in terms of specific theaters. But that could be an interesting way of countering the IMAX situation that they're in more theaters. Mr. Strange says that's not true. June's day shot in IMAX. I just read the article.

They said they didn't shoot anything in IMAX. Yeah. And literally just read that they just said it wasn't shot in IMAX. Yeah. Send me the article where it says it was shot in IMAX. You might be right, but the article I just read said it wasn't shot in IMAX. And look at this other person, Aidan's like, stop underestimating Dolby Prime. Nobody is underestimated.

Relax, buddy. We're just talking about IMAX. Dobey Prime is in play. No one's underestimating. No, no. But I think he's right. I think he's right where, like, that's why Doom, they doesn't have to move because there's no world.

There's no world where I think that, you know what? Because they got the day, Dune's got a shot to win this thing. Dune's going to get crushed. You're going to get crushed? I don't know. I guess you're right. I guess it will get crushed. I'm not telling you it's going to be a failure. No, no, I know. I know.

But Dune doesn't make a billion dollars. No, shot. The second one, which was phenomenal, whatever barely did. But that goes to my other thing, which we haven't been able to speak about since we talked about it. Okay. Speaking of the Christmas thing, I told you when we were talking about, I said, don't count out that Sydney Sweeney movie just yet. I know.

I said because week two, when it came out, I said if the drop-offs traditionally during the holidays aren't that big. Avatar didn't have a huge drop-off in week two. Right. The Sydney-Sweeney movie didn't have a huge drop off of a C- at all. No, it's able to build. So maybe Dune can have that, like you said, and be able to catapult. pulled itself into, you know, into a financial victory, which I think is very possible. Right, because the last two came out right in summer, right?

So maybe they're banking on the fact that these will come out over Christmas and there'll be more time, as you said, in January for people to discover the film and ramp up its box office. But yes, House Maiden or House Made, whatever's called. Incredible surprise to me. Almost $200 million in me. Yeah. I hope people don't discount that Amanda Seafreed is in the movie as well. You know, I see already people are like,

it's a Sydney-Sweeney vehicle. It's like, you know, James' I mean, I don't know who you won't give credit to more. Gunner Sweeney, who, who, who? Don't get me started on James. James going on thread this week. I'm not going to comment on casting rumors or status updates or whatever. All right, here's a whole threads thing where I'm going to comment on all of it.

Okay. Oh, it's so funny. You got, I think, I think, I think you're mistaken. And I think Sidney's a big part in this. I think the movie. Oh, no, I'm not saying she didn't. I'm saying stop. discounting Amanda Seafreed.

Sure, she had a huge part of it as well. One was talking about her, and she's built up a lot of credibility with fans. Absolutely, especially in an Oscar. She's going to be an Oscar nominated actress. I think so. She's going to get nominated for that role. I mean, she won't win.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But she'll definitely get nominated. All right. So I guess the question then remains for you guys. What do you think? Should Dune move? Or is it too late? Will they get crushed?

Could they actually come back and, you know, make a profit on anyway, so it doesn't really matter. Put your thoughts in there. Let us know. Make sure you go into that Clips channel, man. We got almost 16,000 subscribers over there. My goal is to do like 30,000 on that Clips channel by the end of the year. I think we can do it.

We just got to get to, let's see what you can do. So make sure you head on over there. We clip out this show every single day. But we're also on Spotify, so we do that. So check it out. All right. Speaking of Box Office. Yeah.

Let's get to some Box Office stuff because there's a lot. Do it. Another thing that we said is, I remember, and this is why sometimes I get, you know, it's like, it's definitive things sometimes. It's don't do that yet. Don't do definitive things. I remember when I said, because after Avatar had, whatever, the first week or whatever, and you and I were talking, and I said, at this point, you know, I wouldn't have said this before you am, but I think Zootopia 2 is going to beat it. Somebody said, Pf, Zootopia 2 beating Avatar. Come on.

is what they said in the comments. And I'm like, it just from years past, I would have seemed like a lunatic for saying something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But as I was going through the numbers with Avatar, it still seems to be hitting internationally. It's made about a billion dollars internationally. It just has lost its luster here.

Yes. And that's a problem. It didn't. I think it's like hit like 300 million, whatever it is. But let's take a look overall at this story here. And Zootopia 2 has now set a global box office its record.

Yeah. Disney's Zootopia sequel. Just at a big box office milestone, the title has now pulled in 1.7 billion worldwide, overtaking the 1.69 of Inside Out 2. As a result, Zootopia 2 is now the highest grossing Hollywood animated film in history

and the ninth biggest global release of all time coming in just behind Spider-Man No Way Home, Avengers Infinity War. The film debuted just before Thanksgiving to 156 domestically and 550. globally over five days. More importantly, it has stayed a box office performer in the week since, climbing to 390 million domestically,

1.3 billion overseas with almost half of that figure coming from China alone. 619 million. China. Yeah, it's crazy. Disney Entertainment co-chairman, Alan Bergman, said this in a statement. This milestone believes first and foremost to the fans around the world whose enthusiasm made it possible or incredibly proud of filmmakers Jared Bush, Brian Howard, and you've had Marino and the entire team at Walt Disney.

animation studios creating a film that connects so deep enough audiences everywhere. Zootopia 2 is an extraordinary achievement and we're grateful to everyone who help bring it to life. Zodopia 2 has broken many milestones, including being the fastest animated Hollywood film and quick as PG-related, excuse me, rated release to reach one billion globally along with the second highest grossing Hollywood film. China's Ni Zah 2 remains the biggest animated movie of all time worldwide with 2.25 billion. Holy moly. Okay.

Let's also, I want to jump to the box office numbers. Yeah. As we see, the Zootopia is still, it was still number three, which is pretty impressive overall. All right. Let's see. There's the, there's the story here. This is, Avatar is, again, the number one movie at 13.3. It's made almost, it's made 367 million so far domestically, almost 400 million domestic, almost a billion internationally.

We'll make a billion international. 955 at 1.3. That's Avatar at number one. Then you get 28 years later the Bone Temple, which did not perform at all. Yeah, bad. And it's disappointing because I actually, I was, I will talk about the movie. Do you see it yet, John? I haven't seen it.

I'm seeing it tonight at 5 o'clock, 515. Easily my favorite Nia da Costa movie. Really? Okay. Yeah, I mean, I've only seen three. Yeah, you're not a Heta person. I did not like Heta. I liked Tessa and that.

I did not like Heta. I did not like the Marbles. I never saw Candyman. I thought it was good. Yeah, and I missed the one that, because I ran into Jeff Snyder when I went to the, he said, yeah, he said,

okay, you know what? It reminds me. Yeah. Oh, boy. No, no, I'm going to give you a quiz. I want to give you a quiz. Yeah, I want to give you a quiz. I have given everyone this quiz so far.

I'm going to give you this quiz. Oh, no. So, Jeff. Jeff Schneider. Where does that come from? I have no idea. I only know it from you. I have no.

I only know it from you. I, you proved me wrong. I said, Roka will get that in a heartbeat. No. You don't remember where Jeff Schneider. Originated from? Just you. I only know it from you.

Where is it from? You break my heart. I'm sorry. I'm not getting it. I get. Okay. Roxy not getting it. It hurt me a little bit.

Okay. But you not getting it. shatters me. I apologize. Booker T. From the predictions he used to do on the Shmownown, during your, during your era, during the gold, when you were the Hulk Hogan of the Shmodeown, you were the guy.

At the time he was doing that, you were the guys. Roxy, I don't even know if she was watching on the sidelines. Winston wasn't even the league yet. Steph wasn't the, you were the guy. And you didn't know it. Breaks my heart. I'm so sorry. Here's what I'll say.

I was such an arrogant break back then. that I only ever watched Bookerty talk about me and no one else. So that's my fault. I should have watched him do more of the promos for Jeff Snyder. Because I would have caught it. Anyway, broke my heart. So I'm glad I cut you off the guy there, but I didn't mean to. Okay.

But anyway, 28 years later, ran into Snyder, and he told me that I should check out her first movie. I really liked what she did in this. Yeah, I liked what she did in this movie. I really did. I thought she made it her own, yet kept the same style. made it feel like it was still part of the franchise. But it doesn't matter because the movie only made $31 million.

It costs about 65 or 70 million to production budget alone. There's no world this is going to have a great. I mean, it only made $13 million. If it makes $5 million next week, I'll be surprised. There's not a lot of shit coming out, so maybe it will. Zootopia 2, as we just said, still pulling in money. To give you, granted, very different audiences, Zootopia 2 came out in Thanksgiving, made only $5 million less than what 28 years later made.

The House Made brings another 8.5. That movie has made 177 million worldwide so far. And then Marty Supreme's almost at $100 million with another $5 million. So those movies delivering. But I think that there's two stories to me are 28 years later. Yeah. And the, I have a time. Because that's the thing I heard with you and Winston, right?

So what I had said, and I was when I was watching, I was watching the plane when you guys were talking about it. And so I do think that if you're Disney and a 1.5, you just kind of go, all right, 1.5, we made some money. Maybe we don't do this franchise anymore, right? Yeah. I think if you hit 1.7, which they won't. But if you do, I think 1.7 is enough to go, okay, 1.7 is enough if they can,

if James can get on the horse again and make things different in number four, we might be able to get back to two. We might be able to, because you still make it, because people forget that you still are taking profit out of the last one because they were shot back to back too. So you can still get with 1.7, you still got a shot to do it. It didn't have to make two billion. It didn't have to.

1.5 is, it's like, maybe we stop, which is crazy, which is crazy. When you got $1.5 billion, you make everyone else making $1.5. I mean, Zootopia just made 1.7 and it's like one of the biggest animated movies ever, which, by the way, as I say, and I will stamp it out again, stop betting against kids' movies. Just stop. If you make a good one, it's going to make billions of dollars. Yeah.

So you disagree with all that. go on. No, I do think they should stop or bring another critic. What I said is, and I said this in my review, both solo and with The Geek Buddies and with Hot Mike, is like, you got to bring other voices in the room. I think James is, James's hubris has served him to this point. But if he's going to continue with this franchise, he's got to do something more than colonize her babe, colonize good. You've got to do something more than that.

And throwing in this soap opera stuff with the kids and. repeating the same beats, it showed to me that a guy who was, that was creatively bereft of what to do next with a third installment. I would hate to see what four and five are going to look like if three is like this. So that's my concern. I don't think enough people are in the room. He's bringing more creative bases in the room so that he can create a bigger story, a more interesting story, a more nuanced story. His fans get it. And look, the fans showed up. This is your base. The 1.3, 1.4. This is your base. But if you want 2 billion, you've got to deliver a better movie,

a more interesting story, more interesting characters. The magic trick isn't as magic anymore. It isn't, yeah, because we've all seen it. And look, the visuals are great. You can go and jack off to the visuals all you want. But people say,

oh, nobody goes for the story. Go fuck yourself. People go for the story to get you to the greatness. The core doesn't necessarily because, like I said. Right, right. But the core is only going to get you so far. I would see 800 of these movies. But I understand.

No, but I understand. The course are going to get you so far. Yeah. I understand your points. I think they're all valid. And I think that what you did say with that show with Winston last week that I agree with 100% is, I don't know how much his heart's into this story anymore. I don't think, yeah, I think he's done with this.

Yeah, I think he. I think so. Yeah. Because creators will tell you. Another reason is too, if you have that kind of pressure in general, and look, we're not as old as he is and we get tired staying up past 8 o'clock. Yeah. Right.

And so he's like, yeah, I got to go do another one of these movies. And all the pressure now is on me again because now I've got to make $2 billion. in order for this to be a success? I don't know, man. And so if, and that's the other thing is that now, if it is declining, you can essentially go out. If it hits 1.5, and this was kind of my point earlier, if it hits 1.5 or 1.7, whatever, you know,

it's probably going to go closer to 1.5. You can walk off and say, okay, first one made almost $3 billion or $3 billion. The second one made whatever it made. And the third one made, you know, a billion and a half dollars. It's a big franchise. We're good. Buy. The problem is that if you keep going, like that old boxer that, you know, fought good in their last fight, they fought really good.

But there was still something that you could tell that the mechanics were off a little bit. Yeah. And in the next fight, they get knocked down or knocked out. You don't want that to happen to Avatar because this is that you can't, you people, if you're going to call it a failure, it's a failure. $1.5 billion regardless, whatever the budget. It's $1.5 billion if it does that. Right. And but it's similar to what we just said with Rise of Skywalker.

Right. You can, if the next movie costs whatever it makes, and then it makes a billion or less, you're going to hurt the overall magic of what the franchise was, unless you get, you know, you get some new juice in it. X-Men last stand. is the highest course in X-Men movie ever. Do people talk about it in the reverential terms?

Is that true? Yes, it's true. I guess that makes sense because it was following up X2, right? Exactly. And Ratner was directing. Ratner was in the rush hour era. So it was like people were excited. And it just was not a good movie.

I know there's somebody defended. It's not a good move. But that doesn't mean, you know, that you should continue doing it with Ratner or doing it this style. The studio knew that they had a crap movie that just happened to make a lot of money. And they were like, we're moving on from this, right?

Right. Look at what people cloned about with Michael Bay. I don't know. Oh, Cameron's better. Michael, fine. But like the idea, once the Transformers movie stopped,

stop making money, they kick Michael Bay out. So, well, he's back now. We'll see what happens. But like, when you look at Avatar,

I think, I think what James serves, there's a lot of credit for is creating a new IP in the middle of everybody rehashing IPs, creating a new IP in Avatar. Yeah, fantastic.

Yes. You made billions. Now, I think, move on and do, people want to see you do other things. I think another reason people didn't go mentally, subconsciously, is like, they don't

want to see James do this anymore. They want to see James challenge himself do other things, explore the things before he passes on. I think that's more of the movie. I think that's more of the movie audience that maybe, but I don't know, the grand audience doesn't remember half the time who directs these freaking things. It's a fair point. The movie ball people, I guess. But like, the thing is, but I think there is an opportunity

here to bring in other directors, to keep the franchise going. James EPs, it can be another Terminator. It could be another one. And James EPs it. and you bring it James Juan said a couple days ago he'd love to do an avatar movie that's incredible you bring in different voices if they can do depending on what the story is depending on the stories I want to see him go in different places I would be lying and I said am I out of the theater reaction or a few times I went oh that's exactly like the last movie

and I said that like six times yeah you got to change it up a little bit and that may just be exhaustion I would like to see him do other things um Pandora TV series on Disney Plus really well done yeah but I love it the problem is with him now too is that he and rightfully so he has earned the right to spend as much money as he wants i know and i don't think you should i would love i would love to see i would love to see i would love to see cameron say and i've said this many times of see like what if he was like i'm going to make a 50 million dollar terminator movie i'm going to make and a 50 million dollar terminated movie today would look like a five million dollar terminator movie back in like 84 you know

so i'd like to see him make a really small terminator movie with a small story and not with that but it's not his business anymore. It's not his business. His business is this. And so we'll see what happens. But anyway, what do you guys make of all of the box office? Did you think that this was a big weekend,

even though smaller numbers? What do you think of the numbers of Zootopia? What do you think about all this stuff? Put your thoughts in there. Please. Let us know. I say please. I say please.

I say please. I say please. Please, please. Please. Thank you. So good. Please, please. Please.

Okay. Clarify it that I said, 1.7 billion is a failure. I want to clarify that. It is a failure. What? It's a failure. In comparison, right?

Now, I'm not saying it's a failure box office wise. I'm saying failure because the last one made two point something billion, right? Rise of Skywalker is a failure because it didn't make $2 billion or $1.5 billion.

I think disappointment as opposed to failure. Fine. To me, that's, to me, you're just, split in terms you don't hurt people's feelings. No. That's completely two different meanings. I'm saying in my opinion. My dad did your opinion is wrong, sir. He said you're a failure. You got to get

better. That's the two different words. Two different meanings. A disappointment is like, hey, we were hoping for this. We were hoping for this. We didn't hit this. That's a disappointment. You failed. Failure. A failure is like, we're in trouble. We failed. We're going to be in trouble here. It's disappointing that I lost the title,

but I failed at losing the, I failed at winning the title. To me, that's splitting terms. I'm going to agree on that one. I think, I'm going to, if I'm looking at, if I'm looking at, I go, look, right, we want to make $2 billion. We didn't.

That's a disappointment. I agree with that. Yeah. But 1.7 is a failure. No, it's not. If you, in my opinion, it's compared to what you,

but your definition is a little skewed on that one. It is, but it's my definition. All right. The John Roka definitions. Remind me never to get that. I'm hard on myself. I'm very hard on myself, you know,

so I'm hard on other people as well. I know. I follow your Twitter. So let's see. If there's there anything else that we should discuss. Oh, yeah, you know what? We should let's go over. Well, there's two other things I want to talk. Okay.

Did you watch Seven Kingdoms last time? I did. I really loved it, man. All right. So let's talk about that because I got a lot to discuss, but lots to talk about with this one. Here we go. So there's this season on trailer.

And I don't need to watch that whole season trailer, but basically it debuted last night, series premiere, a series adapted from George R. Martin's novella, the Hedge Knight, a century before the events of Game of Thrones, two unlikely heroes wandered Restoros, a young naive but courageous knights are dunking the tall and his diminutive squire egg. Set in an age when the Targaryen line still holds the Iron Throne and the memory of the Last Dragon has not yet passed from living memory, great destinies, powerful foes, and dangerous exploits all await these improbable and incomparable friends. Okay, so I have seen, have you, how many of the episodes do you see? I just saw the first one because I kind of, I'm taking it slow. I'm going to watch the whole season this week. Okay, I've seen the whole series. Yeah, I've seen the whole series. Yeah, I've seen the whole series.

Okay. Really enjoyed it. Yeah. Really enjoyed it. Oh, good. Yeah, yeah. Now, I will say this, even, no spoilers. Right.

I do think that episode, I think this could have been a five-part series. Okay. I think episode six should have been with five. because after this was the longest episode the first one's like 45 minutes the rest of them are like 30 minutes okay that's even better the last episode should have been like a little over an hour with them combined you'll see what i mean when it's a good episode but it just there's a lot that happens in five and then six is kind of like well this is the wrap up and where we're going with it you know um so what i and i and i'm kind of repeating myself but for those people when i really dig about this and

Like I literally just watched season two with Sam before we started shooting, why we had to put the show late today. We just finished episodes three and four. Right. The season two of Game of Thrones. And how detailed and layered and how many different stories there are and bouncing back and forth with you can, I mean, I think we spent no time with Dineris in these two,

maybe like a little bit of time and then saw Rob Stark maybe, but then there's new characters and I love it. I love that you do that. But then House of the Dragon is just about the time. Targaryens. Now you'll bounce back and forth, but it's really about the Targaryen Civil War. This is even smaller where it's just about this dude and how he wants to get to this thing. He's, to me, the most noble character since Ned Stark, since John Snow, and he's that type of character that we haven't had a little bit in Game of Thrones. And I like, I don't mind smaller,

shorter episodes if they're detailed in character. And this series has that. So I really enjoyed the full series. It's funny. One and six are my least favorite episodes. Because once you start carrying in two, three, and two, three, four, five are awesome. Okay. Awesome. Isn't, uh, is it seven episodes or six? Six. Oh, it is only six? Okay. I thought it was seven. No, six episodes. Okay. All right. So, oh, I see, it says seven on Iodd because it's season two is being worked on. Okay. Which makes sense. I mean, yeah, I'm going to finish this off, maybe even tomorrow,

just going to rip through the episodes if they're less. It's like reading a novella. It really is. Yeah, yeah. Well, and I read the review this morning on the ring of which I thought was a really good review. And they're saying how like it's the novella itself to listen to takes three hours. And the series is longer than three hours. So you've got to flesh out certain things and add certain context, great new scenes, new character. So they've done a really good job in the first episode. I thoroughly enjoyed it. It had so much fun with it.

And I like that it's not. so fucking dense. You know, for a guy who's been reviewing these from like way back in the Collider days to now, it's like that, there was so much drama in my head trying to make sure I got everything right and talked about everything and covered all the story. Yeah, right, right. It's exhausting. That's right. And this, I get to relax a little bit

and just have fun. And I like this main actor. He's really good. Right? I liked him in season two of Bad Sisters. Oh. So I like that he's getting to expand. And then the kid is amazing. He's so good. Amazing. He's so good. Yeah. They're really good. and it gets deeper and you see and there is a lot of the because when it starts and it's a lighter tone right it's a light of even and i'll tell you now for there's a there's a moment that happens in episode one that's ready out there right now in the very beginning i'm like oh they're gonna do it and then

they cut to a joke and i was like i hated it oh i thought it was a lord i mean a freaking last jedi lightsaber thing and i'm like i'm like oh really i'm like this is what we're going to get out of this that goes away so fast. And then as the story progresses, I went back to that moment, I went, okay, I like that moment now. Because it makes sense. It makes a lot more sense

in how they did it with the overall tone. Because it's a lighter tone. But as the story progresses, you're still like, oh, this is definitely game of throats. It is definitely game of throw. Well, and it reminds me of what the sisters in the last season of Clone Wars, like you guys are up there.

are fighting your battles about Jedi. Like we're trying to just live down here. Right. And so I like that this series is like, this dude is just trying to figure out his next meal. And so we're just following. Because for him, that is the Iron Throne. Him getting to eat or him getting a place to

sleep in at night that's covered. That is the Iron Throne to him. So the stakes may not be as high as we've seen, but they're high to him. And I like that as a new approach to the show or to the franchise. what do you guys think of the show i wonder how it's doing in the ratings i mean if it's any this doesn't really necessarily ever mean anything sometimes it's true sometimes it isn't i look

at reactions right i look at my reaction look at other people's reactions to see and usually if there's like a big swarm in the first episode you're like maybe this show's going to do really well mine didn't do very well that doesn't really mean much um yeah but then i looked at some other bigger channels did okay is there a big interest in this show i don't know i don't know how ratings are going to be for it. I don't and and as we were talking about before with disappointment versus failure it's like what are they looking for in ratings what are they looking for overall in ratings for this show with the cost couldn't have been as much for say like House of the Dragon and Game of Thrones obviously so what what

signifies a disappointment or or someone saying yeah this is exactly we wanted to do it's number one on HBO max in 14 countries okay over the weekend Brazil or the Mexico And it's, it's, according to screen rant, it has become HBO's fifth most watched TV show worldwide. Okay, great. That's pretty great. Okay. So, so, and I hope, and I hope it does. I hope it, I hope it becomes one of those that just catches on because I think what's going to really get people on board is what you just mentioned.

It's, it's those two actors in general. Yes. They're really, really good. And I believe them in the roles that they're in. Nice chemistry. Great chemistry. But, but, but they also serve the role. of what they're doing.

Very much so to where I'm like, oh, that's what you're supposed to be doing. I buy it. So, yeah. Okay, so someone asked, how did I watch the entire six episodes? Because I was, so people still write this and for press screenings and things too. And you might be newer subscribers, and I have no problem answering the question. So John and myself are both members of the press. Now, when it comes to movies, we get early press screenings.

So there'll be things we'll probably see a week, two weeks early. Same goes with TV shows. Sometimes they send the whole season. Sometimes they just send episodes early week by week, in the case of Game of Thrones, or Kingdom of the Seven Nights, or sorry, Night of the Seven Kingdoms.

They sent the entire season for that one. So there you go. We're about to get, we're about to get Wonder Man early. I know. I've got hijacked season two early already from Apple. Oh, did you really? Okay.

That one I'm going to watch for my watch, because we watched the first season, and I'm going to watch that week by way. Yeah. But Wonder Man. Oh, man. I'm hoping against hope, bro. I'm hoping against hope. I just feel like from where they're going to go in the same realm that the, this, that they did with Ironheart and, what's the other one? Oh, echo. I dump it all. This is a let's dump it all now and let's just get to dooms day or Spider-Man. It seems like they're going to say. And not to say they don't, they don't think it's going to be a good show. but it was greenlit in a time when everything was getting greenlit when Marvel was like, oh, we can make any of these obscure characters that we wanted to.

And the hype for Marvel stuff was a lot bigger back that. Oh, yeah. Ratings-wise, I don't know how the show will be. It could be great. I just don't think they, I think this is going to be a disappointment. We'll see. We'll see. I'm hoping to get dope.

I hope as well. I just, I just, there's just no, you, but I think we both, there's no hype on this show. No, right. Zero. Absolutely. Like, when the promotion popped up the other day, I was watching something, I was like, oh, that's right. That's coming out.

I was like, wasn't even. Right. I saw Ben Kingsley today promoting. He was on some show and I was like, what the hell is he promoting? I'm like, oh. Forgot. I don't know if you want to talk about this, Christian. People in the chat are cluing us into something that Nexus Point News just,

dropped. Do you want to talk about or not want to talk? James Gunn's Man of Tomorrow will reportedly feature Maxima as a secondary antagonist with ties to Brainiac and an eventual alliance with the heroes. No idea what you just said. Yeah, exactly.

I have no idea what you just said. I have no clue. You just said a whole bunch of names that meant nothing to me. A lot of people were speculating because the rumors that come out that he was looking for, you know, like a tough, masculine woman or whatever, well, not masculine, but muscular, rather, woman to play a role. And a lot of people thought might be what a woman, but clearly it seems like it might be maximum.

Yeah, I don't care. All right. So we're going to go to this next story. And that to me is interesting in general because of the where we are in streaming. Matt, Damon, Ben Affle. Did you watch this one yet? I have not seen the rip. I'm going to see that as well this week.

I could see you going either way with this movie. Jeff says he didn't like it. Jeff doesn't like anything. I told him the other day. He thinks it's everyone else's fault too. Yeah, 100%. You should have seen him when we were watching, when we were watching 28 years later,

everybody was into it. That I was there. This guy, 15 minutes since of the movie, he's going to sit right next to him. And I got a kick out of it. of it but 15 minutes in the movie this is him like he's just he would he was he was not afterwards he goes that was not good that's what he said I was talking about I I don't know if I get a kick out of many people the way I got a kick out of him um and why do you keep I keep doing

the show every week I'm telling you I get such a kick out of him in certain things I told him that when I when he was uh when we when I saw him at the he came to the hotel last when I was there and we had a couple drinks. I just told us he's they're very like I I get nervous when I look at your Twitter. I get nervous when I look at Kalanowski's Twitter. Um, everyone should be nervous when they look at Snyder's Twitter, but yes, but I look at it the same way I watch Game of Thrones. But I'm always, I know something's coming. I know, I know something's coming and I'm always like, who he just told that guy to suck his balls. But he keeps, he keeps building. Like he's up to 50 something subscribers of 50,000.

He entertains me thoroughly. But I also told him he hates everything. He hates everything. So I can't. In the same way that I'm never on the same page with Bibiani, I'm never on the same page with Snyder. So when Snyder says he doesn't like things. Now, if he said it's generic, I would say I agree with you.

It's generic. And you can predict what's coming a mile away. I just, first of all, I like seeing them together in a movie. Agreed. That's why I can't wait to watch it. And I liked the tone of it. I like Carnahan. I like what they did.

I enjoyed the movie and understanding the criticism. But overall, I really, I dug it. I thought it played, it's a great, a great streaming movie, which is what we'll get into the whole kind of basis of this conversation. So let me read this here. And this is what both Matt Damon and Ben Affle, we're talking about with attention movies, excuse me, movie attention spans. And so Matt Damon, Ben Affleck are out promoting The Rip, the action thriller, which just hid Netflix and say that the

way people are consuming films now, especially on streaming, is quite different. New film, directed by Joe Carnahan, sees the pair of team of Miami cops who turn on each other after discovering 20 million in a derelict stash house. It's appearing on the Joe Rogan experience, Damon says films require a very different level of attention now that they did before to accommodate shorter attention spans and distracting viewing at home. As a result, it's impacted the way movies are being made, as they both have worked for Netflix. They use them as an example. The standard way to make an action movie that we learned was you usually have three set pieces,

one in the first act, one in the second, one in the third, and the kind of ramp up to the big one with all the explosions. You spend most of your money on that, one in the third, and that's your finale. And now they're like, can we get a big one in the first five minutes? We want people to stay tuned in. And it wouldn't be terrible if you reiterated the plot three or four times in the dialogue because people are on their phones while they're watching. This matches with prior reports that writers on streaming films have been reportedly told characters need to explain what they do in dialogue a lot more tell along with the show.

Affleck then points out one recent success story that broke that mold in the TV realm. But then you look at adolescents and they didn't do any of that shit. And it's great. It's dark too. And it's tragic and it's intense. It's about this guy who finds out his kids accused of murder and their long shots in the back of their heads. They get in the car. Nobody says anything.

Affleck says that the series demonstrates you don't have to do tricks to keep people invested. meanwhile, which got a pretty good 83% of Rotten Tomatoes is now up on Netflix. So intriguing this is this conversation in general, right? Because this isn't just them saying. These are things that they've also heard in meetings, right? And these are things we've heard overall. But this is the things that they probably, these guys are producers, big producers, as much as they are actors.

And directors and a major, a major director of Ben Affleck. So it's funny because I was sitting there watching this movie with my wife and I paused for a second, which kind of. goes into a little bit of what they were saying there. You can just pause. You don't have to follow the entire time. You pause. You can have a conversation.

But the reason I did that is I turned to my wife and I said, how crazy it is that we're watching a Ben Affleck and Damon movie on streaming when it debuted? Like how it's like 10, 15 years ago? It's a thing. We're going to go see the new Ben Affleck and Matt Damon movie and, you know, going on a date. We're going to some dinner. That was it.

But because of this is how this is the way. it works now and this is how you get actors like this and you have the big premiere because another reason i was thinking as far as promotion goes they were promoting the shit out of this movie yeah yeah like everywhere whether it was on rogan or wherever they were they were everywhere yeah the difference now you're like oh that's what they do for all movies sure but here's the difference when you're watching let's see you see an interview with Colin feral and margot robbie promoting that big bold beautiful journey movie right and they have There's some really funny viral clip that goes out.

And you're sitting on your house, you're on your house. You're on YouTube and you see that clip. The chances of you going, oh, that was really funny. I'm going to go, I'm going to go. That sounds interesting. I'm going to go run out to the movie theater right now and buy a ticket. Probably not that high that that's going to happen. Now, you're watching a clip on Rogan.

This pops up. Affleck and they're talking about this. You're like, oh, that's on Netflix right now. You literally just pause it and then turn Netflix on and watch the movie. Yeah. That happens all of the time because it's all going like this. I bet you the numbers. Promotion for me in streaming movies with stars like this, to me, way more beneficial than these ridiculous junkets for movies no one's going to see. Right, right, right, right. Yeah, yeah. I agree. And listen, this is not, but no one should be upset about it. Because all of us do this. All of us get on our phones or our iPads or we open up our laptop.

Not for everything, but a lot of stuff. No, of course not. But if you've done it even once, you can't be upset at what Matt Damon and Ben Affleck are saying because that's the reality. You know, only a person who has never opened up their phone or their phone or whatever to play around on Twitter or check their emails or whatever.

Because if someone has, if something has you gripped, you're going to pause it and look at your stuff. But if something doesn't have a grip, you're just going to look at your stuff because you can get what's going on. Right? So this is actually a thing that the streaming people understand, which is why Dexter Fletcher said the same.

a few years ago as a director of ghosted. He said, making a film for streaming is not the same as making a film for theatrical release. There's two different techniques. And so you have to, like, reveal the exposition over and over again. You know, I think of the Dateline show on NBC

where like every 10, 15 minutes, they repeat all the facts that you already heard 10, 15 minutes ago. It's because they know people are on their phones and distracted and do whatever. I do hate that, them. I hate it. I know we hate it. Yeah, yeah.

I hate it. I hate it because it's like, I think, with the reason the point that Affleck makes with like adolescence, right? I can't imagine in the overall scheme of things in comparison that adolescence cost the same amount of money that this movie did. Yeah, yeah. Oh, right. So when you, when you bring down a budget, you can say, okay, look,

we're not going to do the kind of promotion. This is a different type. We're going for that type of feel. We want people to, it's award stuff. It's this. It's a drama type. This is an action movie with two big stars. Repeat the plot a couple times.

so they know what's going on. We want them to tune in. I hate it. I get it, but I hate it. Because I was even talking to, there's so, I was talking to, there's,

she must be 24 years old. Um, friend of a friend. And I was talking to her about, she hadn't seen jack shit for movies. She doesn't seen anything. She's seen, she's,

she's watched stranger things. She's watching Emily in Paris. She's watching these, these types of things. And I said, well, mostly you, but Instagram and take,

talk she's like I'm on it all the time right and so that's the type of thing that movies are not a thing for people that I understand totally from that conversation I have with this girl right right right I realize exactly where the movie theater business is right in general like because I said to her was I said let me guess when was the last time you went to the movie theater she goes I couldn't even tell you she's like I used to go all the time with my friends but that was like 10 years ago yeah and she was like at the time 15 so like it's it's such a different world now because of shit like this. Yeah.

Where you can say, hey, we've got these stars. The stars are becoming bigger stars on streaming platform than they are even in the freaking movie theater now. Yeah. Yeah. This is the game. And this is what they have to adapt to.

And it's quick, man. It's happening so fast, bro. We weren't talking about this five, six years ago. And now it's happening all the time. Hell, I was on my phone watching the NFL playoffs games this weekend. Like literally was on my iPad. playing around, checking my email,

getting on Twitter. To be fair, but how invested were you in the games? I was. Were you? Oh, okay. So I love watching a play. But my mind now is trained itself

to be distracted by a million things. So I have to kind of cater to it. So when it comes to move certain movies, I don't like to, like I wasn't on my phone for the Game of Thrones show because I know with Game of Thrones, you just, you have to pay the debt to you never know.

It's a good point though, like certain things you know. But like I try to, when I'm turning things on, I really try. try to disson. I put my phone away. I charge my phone when I'm watching it because I don't want that to happen because if it's there, it's that addiction part of it, right? And you're like, oh, let me see if so and so and so, and this, especially with you tweet me that thing this morning. I'm like, oh, no. And I don't want to deal

with that. It was two days ago. I know. Still, dude, this morning, this morning. I wrote back, someone put another clip. We'll get him to a celebration. And I just wrote, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Leave me along. I'll dress it on the show that's enough. But when it comes to trying to invest in shows i just sit down now turns turn the thing on and then you know oh here's oh i have big news i i can't live it in i didn't lead with this john yeah watched the first episode of pluribus oh finally i actually watched the first episode and it's really good i know it is i think you're gonna like it i know i think that was never that was never the case it was never i know i know i was just going up because you know what it was here here's the reason why for people going oh you you you said it

you said you weren't going to watch it because people aren't talking about it anymore. That's true. People aren't talking about anymore. So I decided because I kept seeing Instagram post about going to this event and I went to this event and I took a picture of Ryan Johnson. I got to watch the show. I don't care. I'm not watching it now. Not watching it.

But now I don't care. But now I care. And it was really good. Yeah. I think there's going to be one episode that might frustrate you. But other than that, I think the entire season was an exception. Okay. My wife bailed.

Oh, yeah? Not that she said it's a really good show. It's too stress-inducing for me. That's fair. Totally fair. Because it doesn't get better in terms of the stress. Yeah, I figured. I figured.

She watched the first episode with me. And then she was like, she was like, I'm not. I just can't. She's like, I can tell where this is going. So that's my worst nightmare. She's like, I can't. I said, that's fair. So, yeah.

Anyway, so what do you guys make of this debate? Is it a debate? I don't know. I don't know this debate. I think it's just the way things are. Please tell me. Please. Please.

Please. Please. Want to know. All right. We're going to move on. And we're just talking about NFL. We're just talking about football. Thank you to prize picks.

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I'm back. Get it to 100. Come on. Can we get to 100? I think we can. Before we even do that, a lot going on on the John Roker channel.

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We've got a hot mic later on this week. I'll be doing some live shows myself this week as well. And we're definitely trying to line up a new episode of our Star Wars show to go in depth on the Kathleen Kennedy situation. Might even go live on that one to hear from you all

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Go and check it out, guys. All right, let's get into the 43 questions so far again. Can we get to a hundo? We shall see. You got Mike and Roxy nipping at the heels of around. ready and they're not even here yet um you know mike michael will just be in here and he'll be he'll try to be uh intimidated i relax you're not even here yet all right let's get to the first one all right bing bang o t4 is timmy the greatest gen z actor i i who who's who's who's who's

who's his competition i mean if he's getting a 24 movie to break box off his records for a 24 Guy gets nominated every time he does a movie. Yeah. Yeah. He's the new DeCaprio for that time. Yeah. For that time. He is easily.

There's, as of right now, there's, who, yeah, who's his competition? Maybe Pugh? Maybe Florence Pugh on the female side. But she's, even she's not getting Oscar nominations all over. No, I mean, she's in big movies. She's a huge movie. She's boxing. She's definitely, she's, but he's a bigger star.

Yeah. Yeah. He follows it up. want more prime Luke movies or shows Skywalker not necessarily look this is what I said about that the other day it's like what I what I don't think should be a definitive thing is no more Skywalker stories or no more this or just do that what works for the overall narrative of the story like I to me I think Luke is better served when he shows up in moments like he did very well in in that was it Mandelurian season yeah at the at the end

that type of stuff works really well. I think that it's silly if you ignore the fact that he's there in that time period. He's the most powerful Jedi in all of that time periods. If you're doing that time period to not involve him because of some mandate or narrative is stupid. But I don't know about a full-on Luke movie. I don't think you need it. I think we're going to, I think this idea of no more Skywalker's, no one from that time period, I think that is dead.

I'll be honest with you because I think Faloni, who is tied to him, to Lucas, and I think Lucas film itself, and Disney, I think they want to bring us back to the original trilogy. Okay, so you think that that was a Kennedy mandate about the Luke thing? Yeah, I do think they wanted to move on to create new stars. And I think, but I think that's also buoyed by Iger. But I think Iger sees now 10 years later, like, we got to make changes. We're going to put Foloni, who's connected to Lucas.

We're going to go back to what the boys want, which is George Lucas stuff. The Galaxy's Edge changing to bring in John Williams's music. bring in Darth Vader, bringing Luke and Leyen-Han. That is not a surprise. So this to me feels to me like we're going back big time to original trilogy stuff. And everyone who doesn't want Skywalker stuff,

you're going to be in the minority. Business is the approach. Yes, this is business. Nostalgia sells nowadays. Big Bang. Brogu is Jedi Grandmaster versus Force Ghost Palpatine trillion 100 years, maybe. I never know.

What is that little green fool doing here? Daniel Ramee, TP4 on. Bone Temple is a masterpiece. Roque, review. I'm not going to say, I think people throw around the word masterpiece too well. I think you're really going to enjoy it. I hope so.

I want to enjoy it. I think you really enjoy it. Did you like the last one? I thought the last one was okay. I didn't think it was that great. So we'll see. It's got a clockwork orange feel to this one in certain scenes. You'll know what I mean when you see it.

I like that. Yeah. More Ray Fines is never a bad thing. Ray Fines is great in this one. Ray Fines is, is great. Carl Rutter, London calling. Saw Predator for the first time. It's really, the first time ever. Love Steps Watch Along and Cinefiles ups back in 2021.

Thanks. And so wait, watch on Cinefiles. Oh, you did the Cinefiles up back in. Yeah, on Predator. Yeah, it's a lot of fun. Okay, okay. And great, CF episode to start Rob Reiner season, Sinifiles episode. Okay, great. Yeah, that's awesome. I think he's your biggest Cinefiles fan.

I do. No, he's always promoting it. I love it. You got a lot of people. Thank you. I love that. Mike Joyce. I just watched Dazing and Fuse. I was surprised to see young Ben Affleck. Oh, yeah, massive role. Have you been surprised to see a young, prominent actor in an early role?

Definitely. I mean, even when you go back when you hear that like Sam Rockwell is in the Ninja Turtles, like the original one, that's a great, that's a great one to see. There's always, yeah, you do like the searches on them. It's pretty good. I've always been addicted to movies and I'm old, so I saw everybody when they were starting out. But what I always get surprised by is when I watch old. law and orders and actors pop up on there who are like bigger actors now in small roles like Idris Elba had one had an episode. Padreel Pascal was in two of them. Yeah. It's always fun

how young and babies they were. That always happens to me. Oh, Adam Driver. Adam Driver, you know, it was funny because I was when Mike mentioned Ben Affleck and Days and Confused, I said who the other day I was watching something and I wanted to make sure it wasn't someone we knew and it's not. That I said like, God, that person reminds me of Ben Affleck in Dates and Confused. Like that, you know the well, you know the character well, right? Ben Affir's character. That's hardcore Holly in WWE.

Like, he's 100% young. That's it. That's who he is. The way he was to like young wrestlers. And he's, he's Ben Affleck and days and confused. He was, he's just like, come on, guys. And when the guys weren't, like, he's talking shit about like Stone Cold Steve Austin, you know, he's like, guys, he was one of the boys.

No, he's not anymore. It's just like, what's hardcore? Oh, he's beating up the freshman again. Hardcore Holly dead. It's hilarious. That guy. Colonel Stephen J. Lockhart. You all didn't find it weird when Will Byer said, I don't like girls.

Locktruck came on him and said, you like black girls? I love him. Just love him. I'm so shocked that he's getting shut out so far. I know. Crazy. Crazy. I usually don't go the conspiracy route when it comes to award shows, right?

But I just can't help. Because like Jeff on Hot Mike was kind of crazy the other day. It was like, I think people only liking Bone Temple because they don't want to say negative about a black female director. I'm like, she cut it out. They just destroyed her for Marvel. So cut it up. You can combat him with that.

If he brings that up again, I have, I went into it going, I'm not a Nia da Costa fan. I do not like her movies. And I went out going, good movie, best movie of her so far. I love Jeff. But sometimes he goes, that's a silly take on. that one. But like this, I think it's because there's a lot of liberal progressives in the boating bodies. And I think they don't like, they don't want to reward this character because they don't like what they're seeing going out. And I wonder if that's an element of it. Like I just wonder,

right. Who's he lost, oh, he's also Jacob, Alorty of the critic's choice words. I couldn't believe that. Yeah, that's crazy. He was great. He was great. He was great. I don't think he's bad. I agree. Yeah. And then people are like Benicio. Well, so wait a minute. So you know what? Someone to the table brought this up too you know what it is i think they're splitting the votes too that's what i think's maybe i think they're split in the votes maybe but who's going to get nominated for the oscar i don't think they're both going to get nominated i think they'll be surprised if they do then neither one of jacob lordy might win that too and as i was telling you look i i i really thought rose burn was extraordinary in if i had legs i would kick you yeah yeah there's no world that movie should have been nominated

for a comedy, which is ridiculous. The whole category should be eliminated. It's the stupidest category ever, ever. So there's no chance that she wins. Like, there's no chance. Yeah. I think there's four locks. It's Jesse, Chalemay, one battle after on the best picture.

I would have told you that Chalemay was not as big of a lock a month ago, but I happened to agree with you. Yeah, yeah. Those are the four locks. And what was the third? One battle for best picture. I hope you're right. PTA for Best Directors.

So the only reason that I just don't trust the Oscars because sometimes they do this ridiculous thing. Like it's winning everywhere else. And then they just out of nowhere different movie wins. So it's the one time I've been really rooting for the movie. It was my number one, number of movie the year. Like I really hope it wins. I don't know if it will. Yeah, we'll see.

No, no, no, no. battle for another. Oh, it's number one. Yeah, it's my number one. My number one. Jesse, that was the only thing I was bummed about. Normally, when I go to, when I go to the Critic Choice Awards and I said, if I'm going to meet, if I'm going to talk to anybody, I usually, like, the one year wanted to talk to Paul Giamati and it wasn't even about his movie. It was about UFOs. And I'll go and I'll say, you know, I'd like to have a conversation with that person. And the only person I didn't really make the move to go talk to the table, partially because I was old and sitting down and didn't want to get up.

uh was was jesse buckley yeah i had i i i just i i think that was one of the greatest acting performances i've seen in such a long time 100 percent such a long time hands down yeah i think aflick or somebody was talking about someone was talking about her on was it aflick or who was it was someone on a rogan clip i saw recently oh no it was bradley cooper i think wasn't it oh who was it was somebody that was on recently they were talking about i might have been bradley cooper We're talking about Jesse Buckley and just what she did and how she, like the range that she went and like that, it was a masterclass. I never, I mean, remember, I was text.

I was sick. I was texting you. I was texting you and I was just like this. I was, I was dreading going into that movie. Remember, I text you with my coming. Here we go. You're like, no, dude, watch it. Check it out.

It's like, you see what she does. And I texted you immediately. And I was like, dude, that was, that was, I had never seen a performance like that in such a long time. It's a force of nature. It really is. It really is. He follows it up. Isn't insane right now?

Sean Penn has won zero awards. All wins for Scars Guard and Benicio. Is it because he has two Oscars and already? I'm telling you, I think he's splitting the votes. I don't think, so Scarsgargarned did Benicio win? What did he win? I don't know if Benicio won for best. I don't think he has.

I don't he's won yet. I think maybe he's insinioring that Benes has been nominated over Sean Penn in other East Critics places. Oh, maybe? Because a Lordy won CCA, Golden Globes was Scars. Guard? Is that who it was? Yes. Okay. It makes sense. Crazy.

Colonel... Oops, I almost deleted his comment. I mean, to do that. So, Josh was the more talented staff seat. No, just because of the words, they're both, I mean, they're both really, really talented. It's a marathon, not a race. 100%. Callan Pritchard. Yeah, exactly. Who brings all the aura

and is the bad MF of 2026? Doom, Odyssey, Paula Trades, or T. Shelby? I think an aged up Shalame is a dark Paul will be the most. That's what I'm looking for. Dude, I'm looking. I'm like, people forget that Dune is essentially where, well, a big portion of it is where

Lucas got the, you know, the deal for the idea for Star Wars. You know, you look at it, all the force and all that stuff. And I think that Atradis is essentially Anakin. You know, where he goes from where you leave off in that last movie into where are you going to go with him now? Yeah. The question becomes, are they going to, are they going to, are they going to do that?

Like, you know how, you know how, and I think Shalemi will do it, but you just, you know how actors can be real protective of their brands and like, well, can you can turn me into a villain, but make me a likable villain, like a charming villain,

like, yeah, but I don't see him doing that with, with, with, with, yeah, he's,

he's, he's, he's also a guy who just really values directors, you know, I know, I, that's why I don't think it'll be him. Yeah.

Doing that, but maybe. Yeah. Greeny from Oz. Well, who do you think, as far as, I mean, I would say that previous question, I would say probably Chalome.

Of those, I guess I would say Shalame, but I don't think we've seen the true boss yet. I don't think we've seen it yet. Greeny from Oz, curious how Flowny became George's chosen one back in Clone Wars Day. He's not too familiar with his background. He must have a high mid-chlorian account. No, he was real big in the Avatar last Airbender. He ran that series for, I think, Nickelodeon. And then they brought him over and recruited him for the Clone War series that he's working on.

He was always a big Star Wars guy and he just sat and he listened and he became a and he just worked with George. George was very involved in that animated series. Like various. Yes. So any and he and he just, you know, like took knowledge in like a sponge and he really did. And I still think, I still think his biggest strength. I look, I think, I think Flonie is a fantastic storyteller. I think he's a very good storyteller.

I think he's an amazing artist, animated artist. I think he's an amazing anime guy. I do think, I wish he was running the animated department. because I think they need more of that stuff. But overall, it's just I wonder if he can let go with that grip. And I hope I'm wrong. I really do hope I'm wrong. I'm telling you, as I said when I opened up the show,

I am rooting for him to win. I'm rooting for, I went back and forth. I actually DM the guy because I was like, I don't want to do public stuff. And I said, listen, because he said that I don't, I don't watch his stuff anymore because he's just negative on Star Wars. I said, people misuse negative and hatred all of the time. And in the same way they were done before.

Disappointed other stuff, I said, and I used the Giants analogy, I said, look, I'm rooting. I'm rooting for him to win. I want them to succeed. I'm a hard hard. I'm rooting for Star, I want Star Wars to be good. Yeah, of course. So, anyway, Lockjaw comes back in. Ranked Safdi is from best to work for me.

It's Marty Supreme. Uncut gems, good time, smashing machine. Curious if Benny will get back with his brother. I would say, for me, I would go, you know, I got to finish, you know, I haven't seen all a good time. I need to finish it. I started it. So I would, but from what I've seen, I'm going to go Marty Supreme, uncut gems, smash your

machine, and then good time, but that's not fair because I have to finish good time. How about yourself? Yeah, I would say that's about the right ranking for me. Okay. Because I think Good Time is a better film in the smash. machine and he got a good performance out of Patinson in that, I think. And then, yeah, yeah, we'll see. They'll probably get back together.

That's kind of how it works. Were they fighting? Jeff was alluding to there being some issues. Oh, okay. Dr. Zeus 702. I look forward to the eventual Kathleen Kennedy tell-all book for her time at Lucas. Until then, you're all just guessing and speculating what went down behind the scenes. No.

Sometimes. Sometimes, sometimes no, juice where we, Zeus, there are those of us who know people who are working with these people. And there are people who sit behind a computer at their house who have no connection to anybody. There's a difference. Now, I think, I think, I think overall, I love that shit. I understand. I think you're right and he's right at the same time. Right.

Okay. You're right with everything you just said. Because like, for example, it's not just like, I didn't just decide one day to go, you know what? I don't think, Faloni likes Andor. And then I just start saying. Right. I think, you know what, from looking at it. that's what I think. And then, and then Drew two years later, writes the whole, the thing. That's not, that's not, that's not like just speculating and guessing. That's right. I'm not, I'm not saying that's what Dr. Zuz is alluding to. I don't know. But then again, there's a lot of things that we talked about. Who knows? Maybe behind closed doors, they said this and they said that and that is speculating. So he's not wrong there. But if it's, if that's what you're saying about the, it just, you know, he didn't say enough in that super jet to me. I just think it's, yeah, I just think it's like,

I listened to Adam Schaefter because he has contacts within the NFL. Right. And he is right a lot of the time because of those contacts, just like Jeff is like Christian has. It's like I have in some areas, not a lot of areas compared to these guys, but like I do. So it's like this idea that we're all just in the same boat is nonsense. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. I don't know from that particular. That's what he was saying.

Well, I just want to clarify that if he was. Yeah. Yeah. So that's what I'm saying. Okay. Next one. Lachau, where's Pulp Fiction with Ming? I don't think we're going to be doing that one.

Oh, wow. Really? He saw it. He's seen it already. Oh. So that's the only Tarantino movie that he's seen. And then the other two did okay. The reservoir dogs and true romance, it just did okay.

So I think, you know, I'm trying to put stuff. I got Sam going to be working until 2020, 2008, right? We're doing all Game of Thrones. We got the X-Men movies coming out. up. We got all Star Wars movies coming up. We got Harry Potter, Hobbit. We have so much stuff for Sam. Like she's going to be busy for a very long time. Ming, I, you know, I just got to get things, same thing. Ming, Tina, Steph, Winston, I have to switch things up because it's like, I can't just put the money into it where it's not delivering. Oh, and I have to push back on something you said

the other day, right? What did I say? And you didn't, you didn't know this. And if I said this, you like, oh, okay, that makes sense. You said the other day when you and Winston were on together and I was in there. And you said, well, you know what, guys, the money that's coming in for super chats doesn't come in to me. It comes in, me and Winston, it comes into the channel. On, oh, contrary, for that day, those, those super chats, how do you think I pay for the two of you? Well, I general. Right, right, right.

That's what I'm saying. Like, it's not the only reason. But I'm seeing it. People send in super chats at a personal thing. Sure. 100% to John or Winston. I'll send it to Roxy because I like her. It's like.

Right. But I mean this because I was even talking. to look about it. Like it's, to me, it's, it's beneficial than when I do me and a guest, one person. And it's like, okay, come in. Money from the ads, everything. And then the super chats, everything, too. That signifies two people is, it starts to. Of course. You got to really, you got to have big days. It's just how it goes. It's just how it goes. But, you know, there's other things that go with that. But a lot, you are contributing when you're putting the questions and everything to, you're always contributing towards the hosts that are on there.

But them winning is added to that. Right. But as far as Ming goes, I'm probably going to do, I think Kill Bill, I'm going to try with him. And we'll see if that works. Have you done Once About Time in Hollywood yet? If Kill Bill 1 and 2, if those hit, then Once Upon a Time in Hollywood would be next. Okay.

Because I would say, I would recommend you jump into Once Upon a Time. Unless it's going in order for a race. reason. Well, the reason I'm waiting for that is because he's going to, because the sequel's coming out soon. Oh, that's smart. So I'm waiting to get closer to the sequel before that happens. But, I mean, like Winston, Winston, there's so many

war movies that Winston hasn't seen. And I'm going to try, I'm going to, like, saving private Ryan, he's never seen that. I'm going to try born identity. Steph has never seen those. And if they don't do good, then you move on to the next thing. You try to see what, like I'm trying to find the series and things

that work for them in the way that the things work for Sam. So, um, all right. Next one. Eddie. Alidia 9315. Rewatch Thor 2.

Not my favorite, but the figure funeral is beautiful visual. Hopkins phoning it in. We'd love to see serious version of Crow's Zeus. I'm, I'm in the rare minority. I like the second Thor. Um, I watched.

I remember watching it the first time I saw it. I dug it. I remember watching it on a rewatch. I dug it. I remember watching it. I just watched it again with Sam recently when we at our MCU rush. I dug it. There's some stuff that doesn't work, but I mean,

compared to some of the other shit bombs that are out there in the MCU, it's, it's, I don't mind it at all. I think there are some beautiful moments in two, especially between Loki and Thor and their relationship and how it's progressing after Loki's found out that, that Odin's not real dad and all that, like there's, but the

connection he has to his mom. So there's elements of that that really works. And even that scene at the end where they're trying to trick Christopher Ecclinson's character, there's some real brotherly love going on. So I think there's a lot to enjoy about Thor, Dark World. Although it may not be the greatest. I think it's certainly a watchable, fun Marvel movie. I liked it. Battery, Ivor, Fite. Revenge of the Sith made less than 50 million an actual profit fail. Is that true? How much did it cost to me? I don't know.

Is it, you know, he might be right, though, because it didn't it make, like, didn't it cost like 600 million to make something? Is that the prequel one? No, Revenge of the Skywalker. Oh, I thought you said Revenge of the Sixth, so. I know. I'm in Rise of Skywalker. Um, I mean, I'm in Rise of Skywalker. Um, know that's what he meant. It's ROTS. Yeah. Yeah. Rise of SkyWR.S rather.

I heard he might be right, though, because it like, didn't it cost like $600 million to make? It was like a billion, wasn't it? It made a billion, right? Didn't it make a billion? It made a billion. But how much? Yeah, it costs like it. So it costs, the budget was 600 million?

And it only made a billion. So maybe you didn't. I mean, that's not too far away from, you know, the avatar situation we're talking about. So did it? Was that a win financially for her? I don't know. Wikipedia says 593.7 million gross, 489.9 billion net. So that's what, so, yeah, that's the situation in terms of budget.

So maybe a good point made there. Greeny from Oz. Reckon you'll do a dust till dawn reaction. If Ming doesn't know anything about the zombie twist at the end, that could make a pretty epic reaction. Maybe. Maybe. That one might be, that might be fun for him to watch for sure.

There's no way he's seen that movie. He hasn't seen. he's like Sam, he doesn't see shit. If I could recommend that to you to do it right around the Oscars time, because a lot of people have come out and said that like sinners is a bit of a ripoff with Dustin 1. So if you guys do it around that time, you can have a conversation about the comparison between the two.

I see the, I see the, significantly different movie makes the minute. I agree. I'm just saying minus the overall. You know, I, but where it goes at the very end and the essence of what,

I see why they would compare it, but very different characters. characters in general. I agree. And it's a similar situation. Yeah. I mean, but they're, but they're, but they're different genres. They're different.

I mean, they're, yes, it's real vampire films. I get it. But one's supposed to be an over the top kind of schlocking. Exactly. And, you know, with, with really unlikable characters. The other one's like a hardcore drama. Yeah. One's a grind house film and one's an actual.

100% and intend, both great for what they're intending to do. Right. Go, pal. Support this MLK. 100%. Thank you, go pal. Yeah, I'd be able to do. Yes.

Nathan Drake, two possible future movies to choose from and which makes more money. The next Bay Transformers, Avatar. Avatar 4 would make more money. Yes. Now, the question is what would make more profit, depending on how much it cost to make each one of them. But Avatar 4 is always, avatar the movies are always going to be, it's still going to be the second highest grossing movie of the year. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It is.

It was, right? It was the second highest grossing movie of the year. Disney made $3 billion over Christmas with the year. Utopia 2 and fucking Avatar. $3 billion. Crazy. Right. That's why when people,

when we were talking about how Warner Bros. was winning. Now, do we know who won the entire year? Was it Disney because of those two movies? I don't know. I don't think they've said it yet. Can you say that? There's no counting the money?

Maybe so. Because it does. I've been told. I'm just wondering like how that ties in, right? Like, does the overall gross go? Be like, even though they're making the money in January, does that count as the entire theft?

or how much it made for the year like so avatar right it's like if whatever it makes let's let's say it makes two billion dollars which I don't say it does does that count for 2025 or does it count for 2025 or does it count for 20 and 26 I don't know I remember how that worked yeah that's a good question yeah but I would assume well what this is this is number one according to okay but Disney dominated the global box office they top 6.5 billion in a world So we don't have overall yet. Behind Warner, ahead of Warner Brothers Universe.

Okay, that's to math. That's, that's, that's, that's global. That's global, right. So we don't have to mess.

So you got, those have to be combined together. So, so we don't have those numbers. That'll be a story that comes out eventually once they, call it all that. Um, okay.

Aragow, 45, 12. Did you like Sasha Baron Cohen as Mephisto? I did. Would you like to see him return as a character, but in a Barry storyline? Yes, on both.

I did. I actually did, I did like what they did with them. I think that it was clearly another, done at a time when, you know, they were greenlighting everything and, you know, it was just, it was, it was bad timing for when he was put in that show.

But I actually thought he was fantastic in that show. Yeah. Yeah. I think he's quietly becoming a damn good actor. Yeah, me too. There was a Netflix series where he played an Israeli spy, I think, and it was extant. And then his, the, the quarter-on.

Cape Blanchet. The trial of the seven? Oh, yeah, Charles Chicago, Seven as well. like and the disclosure one last year or that were two years ago it was excellent he's really good yeah it's funny speaking of sasha barren call my wife this morning and so what's the next movie that you want me to come in to react to and i was like well you still you know you still haven't seen borat and she's like and so i would watching that i i actually think that that'll get a significant amount of laughs from her oh 100% i think she'll love it yeah hey what's going on

vanilla face um dr zeus 702 puke was there for one side of Barbenheimer. Oh, yeah. We'll be there for both sides of Dunes Day. Yeah, that's true. Hashtag Puse Day. Yeah. I root for her.

I like her, man. I do. I think she's... Oh, you do. Yeah, I like her. Other than Julia. Nope. Aragow 4512.

Thoughts on a new Christian Bell Frankenstein trailer. Haven't watched it, not going to watch. I'll tell you the reason why. Looks interesting, but wish they would pick a new character other than Frankenstein. There's so many in that world. This is the kind of repeating answer for me is that if I, unless I'm going to do reaction for it, and I don't have to see it. I just walk into it.

I'm going to see that move. So I'd rather just, I never watched a trailer for Del Toro's Frankenstein. Just watched it fresh. Doug it. Have you seen the trailer? I've seen all the trailers, yeah. It's called The Bride because it's not about Frankenstein.

It's about the bride of Frankenstein. It's based on the movie for the poor. So this is not a decision to make another Frankenstein movie. It's they're making a bride movie. And Frankenstein happens to be in it. Is this, is this Maggie Gyllenhaal that's directing this? She's directing it. Yeah, yeah, with Jesse in the lead.

So I'm going to see. Is Jesse Buckley in the leave? Yeah, she's the bride. She's the bride. And they're releasing it right when the Oscars come out. Oh, my goodness. Yes. I'm, I'm pumped for that one.

Yeah. RC, wish I loved Dune, but I just can't get into it. That's fair. Yeah. Totally. I will be watching. I will, now I have to figure out, though,

between Ming and Sam, who to watch Dune with, because neither one of them has seen it. Why don't you watch it both? With all two, do a threesome. Well, it's true. Again, two reasons why. Two reasons why I won't do that.

One, it gets, there's a lot going on in the table, right? That's a small, that's a small reason. Dude, monetarily. Now, if it's not, if they don't do well. And then I'm out editor and two people watching it. It's true. That's true. So it's like, you know, it's like, I don't have the luxury of like,

Real Rejects are crushing it. They're crushing. You sound like a studio head. You sound like a studio. That's what I'm saying. Real Rejects. have like a full-on crew which they can they'll put you know

two different people to be able to and Greg does it brilliantly where he matches people around and he has the thing I don't have the luxury of doing that yet. Eventually I'd like to but right now I can't. All right. Arago 4512. New Robin Hood movie with Hugh Jackman. You catch it. I know it's coming out. What's your favorite Robin Hood movie? The Fox one,

the Disney Fox one. Easily. Oh yeah. Easy my favorite Robin Hood movie. I don't know. I guess the Costa one but I have really Well, I guess the original Arrow Flynn one. The adventures of Robin. Yeah, I would say that one. It's a good one. I'm sure that the Hugh Jackman one is going to be good, and we'll watch it.

I just don't like when they mess with the lore stuff. Like, oh, he's not really a good guy. He's kind of a dick. But, you know, just the way that the tales get told, people think he's a great guy, but he's really an asshole. It's like, I, anyway. Tim, great Tim, Sam. Hey.

As a H-Town sports fan, I say this. Defense wins championships. What good is it if we can't do F all without a competent quarterback? That's what we Texan fans are saying after Strouds for inexcusable interceptions. He follows it. He follows it. That rant out of the way, sad waste of one of the best defenses defense seasons in NFL history. I think there's credible reason for Dune 3 to face Dumes Day directly,

especially given the recent post end game MCU box office flop. So let's address the, the, um, football portion first. Go ahead. Well, I think there were not four inexcusable interceptions. There were three. The second one went right off the receiver's hands. That's the receiver's fault.

Every receiver will tell you, if the ball touches your hands, you should catch it. That's not on the quarterback. So I will absolutely remove that. But yes, that moonball he threw. It was ridiculous. And yes, he cost the team the win, but they wouldn't even be in a position to win the be in the playoffs, so it wasn't CJ. So CJ has got to get better.

We'll see what happens next season. But I probably would have benched him in the game. the second half four interceptions and one half of playoff football i think you got to go to your bench uh but you know it went the way it went unfortunately they still allowed three touchdowns at defense so now as far as the other um thing he says credible reason for dune three to face dune's day directly especially given the recent posting game i mean sure but i don't think you're insinuating that there's a chance in hell that dune can win like nobody thinks dune can win but to say but to go to your point Tim where it's like, well, yeah, but enough so we can say we can still sustain box office

moving forward, get the IMAX screenings in there, and maybe we'll get some of the, you know, fallover from, if they're sold out from Doomsday. So that's possible too. But there's no, if, if, and I don't think Tim is saying this, but if anyone actually thinks that Doom, Dune can beat Dooms Day on opening weekend, they should have their heads to check them. No, just like the Godfather. What does Salazzo say?

You know, 10 years ago, could I have gotten to the Godfather like I did? No, but that's what Marvel is right now. A little damage, maybe Dune's feeling themselves, and then we'll see what happens, though, if this stays. Look, having exclusive IMAX fries for three weeks, I get it. I get it.

Aragow 4512. With regards to the new RIP movie, did you like the director's previous film Smoking Aces? I like Joe Carney. I thought it was a great movie, and I love it. It's funny that you bring that up because you're a big UFC guy. On Wednesday, John, I'm going to air the interview I did. Keith Jordan came in the studio with me.

Oh, does. And he's great. You know, he's a very successful actor and writer and director now. Also, and he's got something he's got coming in on Sundance that's coming up real soon. He talked about that on the show. But he's also buddies with Carnahan. Carnahan had invited him to the rep premiere. And we talked about Joe.

We told me, were you there when Joe came in to Clyder Live? Yes, I met him, but I wasn't on the show. Oh, okay. But I met him, yeah. Great guy. Yeah, I like Joe a lot. Very honest. Yeah, I like Cop Shop, was the one he did a couple of years ago with Jar Butler.

That's a great watch. Yeah. Go, pal. From you, all right. I learned it from watching you. Only us old folk understand. You get that reference. Joey, tonight we've got Baylor versus Punk.

Prediction is Don will cost Finn, which will lead into Baylor injuring Dom enough to write him off TV to heal the injury. Baylor will get the I.C. title through a tournament. Hmm. Are you, have you been watching? Not at all. I have no idea that Finn is back in the actual equation with all of this stuff. I haven't been watching either as much,

like I said, because I'll tune in. I'll tune in to Raw and fast forward through like to see what the storylines are. And I'll check in from here from time. When the road was this weekend? Next weekend, yeah. Like I couldn't believe it was this close. Not paying for it.

I'm like like, I probably won't watch it because it's going to be like I would have watched it. It was on Peacock. But it's on the ESPN thing, right? Yeah, maybe it is this weekend. I don't remember. I know it's supposed to be the end of January. I'll be watching through like social media clips and stuff,

but I'm not paying. They blew it with that stupid deal. They've now basically just traded places with the UFC. UFC now has did the smart thing in them paper views or because there's a paper view for or not even pay per view. There's an event this weekend for UFC, right? Yeah. I'll be watching.

First UFC event I'll be watching, you know, in years because. Yeah, I agree. I'm going to watch it because it's on Paramount Plus. If it was extra like ESPN tried to do with their UFC package, I wouldn't watch it or WWE does. Yeah, I agree. The WWE deal that they did with ESPN was the stupidest. They damaged their brand tremendously by doing that. And they're losing money. And they keep trying to play. Massively. Massily. There was the stupidest thing they ever did. They should have kept it on Peacock and everything. It was very dumb. If Tachala is not in Black Panther 3, Kougar will see fandom start to turn in him. I don't agree with that. It's been long enough. Feels like slow torture at this point.

Sure he is not. Well, first of all, from what I heard and you guys, and I don't know if you've also heard this, I'm pretty confident to say, A, the Dan's and Idris is in the movie. That's part, part one. Part two is that he's playing Tachala's son, is what I've heard. Time jump, yeah. Yeah, I've heard that he's to, he is the new, he's going to be the new Panther, but he is to Chal his son. So, but yes, they're going to eventually now, whether or not, I don't know what they're going to leave with By Panther 3, but they're not, I don't think that they're going to straight out replace with a new Chachala at all. But I don't agree with that, that the fan base will turn on them, especially after the successive sinners and everything too. They're not turning on him anytime soon.

He's, he's a person of the people. People love Cougler. They love him. Yeah, they're not going to turn on them for one decision. Mr. Nico 28th Soccer, hey there, gents, heading into Disneyland, help cope with my Bears lost last night. Enjoy your day. And much love to you both in this community. It was a heartbreaking weekend in general for most of the same.

I mean, but I don't think you can complain. Does anybody complain about their heartbreaking? Nobody can complain more than Bill's fans right now. Oh my God, yes, 100%. And a right and a rightful gripe. Yeah, they got to clarify that because to me, that's a catch. You catch that ball. You land on the ground.

Your knees on the ground. The guy's on top of you. That's a catch. I don't understand the replay doesn't get that. Yeah, I don't understand the replay doesn't get that. Yeah, there's a technicality about surviving the ground. All right. Conspiracy.

How about conspiracy theory? What do you think? What do you think? Fix? The fix is in? No, I don't think the fix is in. All right. I don't.

I don't care. Aragore 45, 12. I agree. I love James Cameron, but I would love to see other movies he writes and directs besides Avatar. I really like the Avatar 3, but ready to move on? I think a lot of people are feeling that way. Like, I wouldn't be, I would be bummed to not see more, but I would get it.

I think I would get it. Like, I'm not doing these anymore. I understand. Tim Simp, I said to Roka this last week, and I wonder what's your opinion. If four and five are happening, should that be? be hard to stop on Avatar films, given where the economic outlook is going. I'm hopeful 4 and 5 will happen, but it has to be it. So let me see.

So it should be a hard stop is what do you say. So wait, should after 4 and 5, after 4 and 5 happened should be a hard stop. Yeah. Well, yeah. If they'd actually do 4 and 5, yeah, call it. I just don't think he'd mentally be able to do more than that. Five movies at that scale. I mean, but I don't think, I don't think we're going to get 4M 5 to him.

I really don't. I think this is it. I think that's, I think he's, I think that was his way of saying. I think he's kind of hoping that it doesn't hit two billion. Yeah, I think he is kind of quietly hoping that as well. Yeah. So yeah, I, I'm hopeful for him if I will happen too, but I just don't think it's going to happen. Rashad Green, who best embodied the fighter, the Rock or Sydney?

I'm going to, I'm going to take a crazy stance here and I'm going to say Sydney Sweeney. Okay. Because as my wife and I were watching it, look, this is the Rock's wheelhouse, right? The Rock is a wrestler, he's anything to. And so the transition into an MMA fighter looked believable, 100%. And I thought he was excellent in the role.

I think he could have been nominated for some things, maybe some awards, I don't know. But I had no education on, well, Sidney, in general, on her acting until I saw this. But I didn't realize this. my wife and I were watching this. She watched that for me, but she said, is she like an athlete? And I was like, I think she was.

And she turned out she was. But the stance, the way she threw the punch, I'm, look, you want a criticism of Julia Roberts? I'll give you one right now. You want to criticism of her, John? I'll give it. Here you go. You've been waiting.

There's a movie that she did. What's the second one she did with Richard Gear? Oh, man. Oh, Runaway Brian. One of a bright. So we watched that not too long ago. with my wife probably a couple of years ago. She's punching a punching bag in the beginning.

I love her to that she never thrown a punch a day in her life. You can tell. Sydney Sweeney is throwing bombs and real bombs and they look like bombs. So I'm going to say Sidney Swinney. Yeah, I just think, I agree. I think she had farther to go so she deserves more credit. And I thought her scenes, listen, I liked her in that movie and I liked the movie for the movie for the most part. And so, and there's more

fighting scenes with her than there are with the rock, I think, in the smashing machine. So to me, I think she gets the edge as well. I agree with that. Roka. You read this next one by default. Okay. No, don't put me in trouble. This is for you. Don't even make me read it.

But it, but it, but it, but I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm waiting. I'm not reading this. It's on the screen. It's our responsibilities to put it on the screen. All right. Clips says, why do black people have nightmares? Because they killed the ones had a dream, but this is for, but this is for him. He's not, he's not, he's not making it.

He's not, he's saying that that's the reason why, because they took out a very, I mean, okay, you know, a wonderful, wonderful human being. Um, CAL chaos. Support for Roka, go Seahawks. They lost Charbonate today. Yeah. He's in an injury. I know, I don't know who's, it's up for grabs. Tim L. Sim. In my humble opinion, fire and water's box office performance is lesser, but not a failure. I'm with you. It's enough for two more films and that's it. Sue me. Hope everyone has a. safe and great weekend. It is not enough.

Yeah, I don't know if it's enough for two more films. 1.3 off a $500 million budget if you include marketing, maybe even five to six. That's not enough. Here's, here's the only way, and I think Roka and I are both on the same page with this. It's not an independent movie. This is a mom and pop getting together to make a film. It's a massive film. But we're in agreement, though.

Let's say this movie tapped out at 1.4, which we would both agree is a disappointment, right? Yes. Okay. But let's say that happened. At 1.4. Let's call it. That's what it taps out. But James Cameron walks into the meeting the next day and says, guys, I'm excited. I got a take for it.

I got all this stuff. I got so-and-so attached to it. We got to go with four. They're not saying no. They're not going to say no to him. That's what I'm saying. But that goes to the point where he's not doing that. Yeah.

I think he's done. That's it. Wait, he just complained about C.J. Stroud throwing 400,000. which is a disappointment, but is also a failure to win the game. So this is people are, you know, come on. Pick and choosing. You're picking and choosing where to be a, what are you failure or disappointment on? Dr. Zeus, I really hate.

I mean, hate the Seven Kingdoms are so short. Dromas have no business being 30 minutes. That's comedy reality. The bear says otherwise, even though the bear says that it's a comedy, it's a comedy. It's not a comedy. That is not a comedy. It's comedic moments in it, too. There are comedic moments in this.

There are just as many comedic moments in this, than there are as a bear. I would argue the best episode of the Acolyte was the 25-minute episode, episode, episode five, I think, and that was, again, less than 30 minutes. It was incredible. Yeah, but I would tell you that the difference with, like, if you told me that an episode of Game of...

You can tell anything in 30 minutes. But, well, I will tell you that. I would be hesitant and skeptical if House of the Dragon and Game of Thrones was 30 minutes. Oh, sure. Especially Game of Thrones. You can't tell,

you barely tell three stories in half an hour. However, this is one condensed story with not a lot, yeah, with not a lot of big, huge people.

Like, I don't like when, and I've said this, a Mandalorian or these other or Marvel shows, do 30 minute episodes and just focus on a battle for eight minutes because you've just taken away

any of the essence of the character. You get so much essence already in one episode of who this guy is and they continue to do it as it moves forward. So on this show, I just don't agree with it. And I normally am more of the, let's go for longer episodes, but I'm not with you on this one.

I think it's all about how you do it. It's all of execution like anything, you know. Motor roll. Sansa really told Serce to pull up after she raided some tombs. Geez, Sophie got jacked. And my wife is behind me. Been a good run for everybody. So you've got an issue with Sophie Turner's

as Laura Croft I see on your Twitter. She's not a strong actress. You don't think so? No. To me it's like damn. She's a,

she's a perfectly fine actress but not a spectacular actress. And for Laura Croft, I would like to see some, because I don't even think Joe Lee did that great of a job with it. And I certainly don't think Alicia did. I like,

we haven't seen a great Laura Kraft. We have a live action. We haven't. And I would like to see Alicia Vacander to get a sequel. I would like to see it. I don't know. We'll see.

Maybe she proves this. maybe proves you wrong let's see Rashad Green Roken Timothy Chalmay as Bob Dylan or Jeremy as Bruce Oh Timothy was so much better But I liked I defend

The Bruce Wings in the problem He wasn't the problem No but I think Timmy was more Bob Dylan than Than Jeremy was Bruce But I like that movie Me too I'm with you I didn't I didn't love it as much as I wanted to Yes agree

But I appreciated what it was but it wasn't, it wasn't what they wanted it to be. No. They wanted it to be what Bob Dylan was for Shalame. They wanted that for him and it just, just never got there. Ray, got here late, sending support. Thank you, Ray.

Thank you, Ray. Dr. Zew, sadly is true. Got a build for the TikTok generation. True. Yep, that is true. Jimmy B. What's up, guys? Lately, work has been shite and the money just isn't worth it anymore.

Have you guys who have been fed up with a job? Oh, yeah. Have you ever watched any of my old shows that I talk about all the time? How did you talk about, how did you know it was time for the next thing? I waited a year too long. That's how. That's how I knew. I got myself in trouble by being an idiot on the air and catching it on Twitter.

Sometimes you stay at the job and get like going in trouble, though you're fed up with the job. Yeah, you fed up with the job and you get caught on camera being an idiot and then you pay for it. You know, I was, I don't remember if I talked about this. Maybe I did, maybe I didn't. I love how we have 50 questions. Like, I don't have places to go. What's your next story?

What are you next? All right. I got to eat lunch. All right. Why? You want to hang out. You're my buddy. You don't hang out on me.

Oh, you're lost. Fine. Well, you do. Give me a second. I got to tell the lady what we're doing. Rich broth.

Good day from Australia. Love the show and all you guys do. Thank you, Rich. Rashad Green. Best display of the torture genius. Pedro as Reed Richards or E. As Mr. Terrific.

I don't think either of the other one of were tortured. I don't. I think Pedro Moore was like, you know, kind of like they almost portrayed him as like autistic. a little bit more so, right? More than anything else. I prefer Edy in the performance.

R.C. Tanyi Teller is not a good actress in my opinion. So I didn't love her in one battle, but I don't know if it was because, look, I don't think she should have won Best Supporting Actress. I'll tell you that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I think that they did a disservice to Chase Infinity by putting her in the best actress category. That's nonsense. He's a supporting actress. I thought she's good in the rip, Tanyi Teller. My question, though, moving forward,

it is because there's similar characters, but different. Like the one in the RIP is like a good person. She's a good cop and she's like, she's a good person. But not much range so far. Right. The question is can she go outside of that range? We'll see. Yeah.

Yeah. We see. Because we all know actors who have a style of acting. And so it's like, well, how much longer can you keep that style going before it becomes repetitive? Is it just you? Is it just you being able to say the lines well? Right.

Or is there an actual character to it? Rich Braw. What trailers do you think we are seeing during the Super Bowl? You know, before. You know, I would have told you you were a crazy lunatic two months ago. Why in the world would they promote that before Spider-Man? But now I don't think you're that crazy. Yeah.

Well, let me say that. I don't think you're that crazy for that opinion. I think Spider-Man, Star Wars, I think Marvel, I think we'll get Doomsday. Dune? I think we'll get a Dune. Dune? This far out? At least a teaser.

Yeah. I mean, the Super Bowl's what, in March? Well, I would check, I would check what's coming out, but you're going to, you're going to, you're going to yell at me for stretching out the time. Legend, M.M. 600. What's your favorite game last week in mine is the Seahawks? I would, is, the best game was the Bills and the Broncos, but it's just heartbreak. That was a great game. Yeah.

Agreed. Buster Barnes. Random thoughts. Bone Temple is the best 28 movie. Mercy better than expected. I didn't see that one. Smackdown was great. Excited about Mr. Miracle casting news. Hope Judge Dread is Darksee. Hope Judge Dredd. Hope Judge is Darksee. I don't know if Bone Temple was the best 28 movie, but it's really good. It's really good.

I haven't seen Mercy yet. You're seeing it tonight. What, Mercy's out already? I don't think of it. Maybe he got a screener. Kelly Kid came in November. Great time to be in a member. Great time to be in a member. Get that live stream coming up soon.

Buster Barnes also looks like MOT female role is indeed Maxima. That's the one that they were talking about, right? Yeah. Jabbar Muhammad. Am I missing something? And or not being Star Wars crowd. To me, for six, for mature just as much, right? Yeah, I don't think it's more about just the mature thing.

I think there's just more about the essence and how you're, approaching Star Wars. They were just on a different page, perhaps. Yeah. Christopher Rigaldo. Rokas hard himself, especially hard on the outlaw. The lady outlaw. No, I'm not.

She rules our roost. Prisie 2-2-1-2. How insane would it be if Tom got Nicole back for the days of thunderstead? Oh, my God. Take my money now. Also, it's a bigger hog. Marty Supreme or morning a fly. Probably Marty Supreme.

Marty Supreme was pulling some, uh, pulling some magic. Odessa. I'll take Odessa Azeon over, well, not I guess over Elizabeth, over Elizabeth Feud, but maybe. Maybe. Yeah. But the Deza's Thunder sequel? Is that a thing? Is it happening? Yeah, they've been kicking around because Kaczynski said he is considering it. Just combine it with F1. Come on. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, come on. Can, 6-721. Hello there. Hello there to you. Cali Kid. Push comes to shove. What are your favorite performances in 2035? Mine are Timothy Salome. Ray Fines was great, although that's,

It's 2026. That's 226. Doesn't count. Doesn't count Kelly Kid. Ray Fines was excellent in Invone Temple. Excellent. He's always excellent. But he's Jack too.

He's got to be what, 65 years old? I know. Battery. For a Babu freak trilogy over a Ray movie. I am not alone. Prizzy. 2212. Hey, question, can we do a script exchange?

At some point, we'd love to get your feedback on a few of my stories. Shout out Roka, piece of it. Very kind of you. I'm going to say the same thing that I tell other people to. my schedule sucks it sucks yeah what i don't like to tell people is like yeah sure you know what's it and then and then i don't get to it i look at a douche right because like i'm so many i've been trying to do things with other people and i just can't do it right now but very very kind of you even think about that uh michael mackenzie what is your guys feeling on the casting of cratos in the

god of war show it's funny that he is in the greatest war movie of all time save a private ryan i don't know who the guy is and i don't i don't i don't play god of war you would know him if you saw his face. But he also voiced Thor in the thing. But what people are saying is that it's perfect casting. So I'm excited for it. I like that guy. Dr. Zeus 702. You can only see one. Do you go to Dune 3 or Dumesday? If I can only see one ever or just in the theater that day?

Probably just in the theater that day. Oh, no, you'll only see one. Ever? Probably going to have to. God, I hate to say that. I don't know. That's tough. Because I know that I'm going to be watching more. Marvel movies and I'll be lost. I'll probably have to say Doomsday. Yeah, I have to say Doomsday as well. Yeah. I mean, I know that I'm going to like doing three better. Yeah. But yeah. Prizzy just saw all three Avatar movies for the first time. Oh, we're going to get those thoughts. You thought. Arigo 4512. How about that Bears versus Rams game?

That throw to tie it up into overtime was amazing. Agreed. It's incredible game. Holy shit. Kelly Kid is coming in real big. Look at that. And then follows it up with this. Holy shit. How about the housemaid headed to a 300 million. I don't know about that. I don't know about that. If it's lucky, they'll tune into 200. I'm not going to go that far.

I think 200. I think it'll hit 200. But speaking of which, that was a very super generous major two of them. Thank you, Kelly Kid. Brody Bruce, tuned in late. So sorry if you've answered this. Thoughts on the rip.

I thought it was great. I really enjoyed it. Roke hasn't seen it yet. But I really, really liked it a lot. Cat Mom for Jedi. Today's my 25th anniversary. Hey, happy anniversary. you catmob. Congratulations. She's the best. Happy anniversary. That's really cool.

Arago 4512. That eight primate horror movie trailer looks hilariously bad, but it looks like it'll be a good time. Uh, well, these piranha type horror movies always surprised me on how well they end up to it because it costs like $33 in a Snickers bar to me. It's true. So it's like, so that's why they do as long as people see him. Did you see that primate movie? I have not seen it yet. I have a thing about, you know, I have a thing about a simian revolution. So it scares me. Oh, you get scared about it. So you didn't like the movies? I, yeah. I, yeah. The ape's movies, I know those are like CGI or people in like costumes,

but that ape looked, that trailer fucked me up. So I'm like, okay, okay. Two left. Here we go. Okay. Eric Henderson, Mr. I, crap and shits here had reconstructive foot surgery and fire. Oh my goodness, three to four months non-weaparing.

Wow, thanks to put an entertaining show. Thank you for watching and I'm so sorry. That's horrible. Last one. Hey. Mad Sinister. No second of the last one. Mad Sinister McCall.

No hot dogs for Bone Temple enough weeners already. there's a lot of this is there's there's there's definitely some some zombie schlong running around the joint we're seeing a lot of male nudity lately even in nine of seven kingdoms home taking a dump like I was like what the fuck is happening here man uh Mike choice and seven what was the story Rokostodger oh yeah oh okay there you go um no it just I I don't know if I may have totally may have not like so the when I left Collider I left Collider in November November 1st of 2000 and 19. 19. 19 was when I left. And because Fernandez was very kind to me where like I, he had, we had the conversation in October. What's that? Yeah, go ahead. We had that conversation in

November, in October. And I said, look, I'd like to take it out for a couple more weeks because the health insurance to carry on. He's like, how about another 30 days? Perfect. So I had 30 days to go from November 1st. And I already that day that Fernandez and I had that conversation, I went and I ready, had a meeting set up with Skybound to Oh yeah Leave and go do some stuff and and then I did and I then January 2020 is when I joined skybound However In November of

2018 I was already talking to skybound and I was three seconds away from leaving Collider way before any of the stupid galaxies had shit happen and all that stuff Oh yeah yeah yeah and it would have been Looking back I should have should have jumped ship back then. But it was all the Shmodown stuff was taken off and everything too. So I stuck around, but I should have left. That was that.

So I was, I was, I was posed to leave Collider. And it would have been, it would have been, Ellis left three months before I did. I would have left seven months before Ellis. So I would have done that. So anyway, 73, John, pretty good. What are you going to say? We got three more. Oh, we do?

Mm-hmm. Oh, we. Sorry. PRISIS. Oh, yeah, you're right. You're right. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. Prizzy, 2212.

Can't believe I avoided the avatar movie. So good. Oh, good. He enjoyed him. He enjoyed you. They're really good. I love them. They're totally good. Hank Pimp. Just saw Begonia. First movie of his that I've liked. Also, does anyone change up there look more than Jesse Plymouth? Jesse Plymouth was excellent in that movie.

Did you like that movie? I did. I liked it. I didn't like it as much I was moving. I liked it. Yeah, me too. I found it to be predictable. Yeah, that's what bothered me. Yeah.

He's hit or miss for me. Yeah, Yorgas. Yes, I liked this one. I loved poor things. Loved poor things. Oh, yeah, poor things great. And really enjoyed, what's the, what's the regal one? No, I didn't like that movie.

The regal one that he did? Oh, shit. Killing a secret deer? Nope, didn't like that one either. The one, the freaking one about the favorite. Oh, the favorite. The favorite. That's the one I like.

I like the lobster. I think it's great. Most people do. I didn't like that one. Dr. Zeus 702, Simian uprising, a robot takeover, were you more, Roca?

Simian uprising. Really? Over the, what's more realistic? Right now. Getting beat to death by a fucking... That's terrifying. Thanks.

But that's terrifying. What worries you more that can actually happen? I can figure out the robot takeover. The Simian uprising, I can't tell what's going to happen. I can't believe how many self-driving cars there are in L.A. I can't believe it.

Now, when I left, they were like, okay, every couple of cars, everywhere you go. Hey guys, what's with these self-driving cars? I mean, come on. Who's really driving them? Is there a computer there?

Is a guy behind the desk? I mean, what's really happening? Make a left, make a ride. How do they know what they're doing? I don't know half the time. How do they? I can't do crowd work with these self-driving cars. It's not going to be in the audience.

Joyous Romer. May the Force be with you guys. Any word on when the mall trailer will drop? I have no idea. Probably February, I would imagine. It's coming up soon, right? In June or July? When is it coming out?

I don't know. I have no idea. Prizzy 2212. I spoke with John Boyega recently. He said he's down to come back to Star Wars and that he can still swing a saber. He jobs so many cool industry stories. That's cool. Oh, wow.

Is it true? Well, that's great. Maybe so. That's great. Look, I said it two years ago that a source of mine told me he was going to come back. I think he'll be back, especially if she's back. And she will be back. And as if this Kinberg thing happens, they probably get into both of them back.

All right. John, thanks for sticking around a little later. We've got 75. One more shot on your channel. Yeah, please. YouTube.com slash John Roker says, come on over there, ladies gentlemen, the John Roker channel. A lot of fun with the geek buddies, the hot mic,

the Jedi Way coming back now, me doing all the livestock I do there as well. And don't forget about the Cinephiles. We're dropping the first episode when Harry Met Sally. We just did our Rob Ryder episode over the week and listen to that as well. Christian, thanks so much. Happy MLK did everybody.

Love you, madly. Talk to you soon. Bye. Thank you to John Roka. Thank you to you guys. Very generous, generous day from you guys on this holiday. 75 questions. as I said please if you have you not if you're watching now or in the replay or any of that stuff too

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